Thinking Right

By jbmlaw

August 26, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Bravo. Well-argued.

By TW

August 26, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

We all as Americans should be ashamed of ourselves for not giving our Military a commander in chief worthy of their sacrifice. It is our duty to see that these brave men and women who VOLUNTEER to defend us are led by an individual whose discretion is sound. We have failed as a nation to do this and the results are devastating. May God forgive the United States of America.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Wooten gets it:

{{{{The plain fact is that Americans don’t want to lose and know instinctively that any premature abandonment, however couched, will be hell to pay for a generation to come. Projecting weakness and a lack of resolve is national suicide. The veterans to whom Bush spoke Wednesday know that and affirmed it by their enthusiastic response…… No matter how many Republicans bolt, nor how many commentators and Google-trained experts second-guess, Bush should heed the lessons of last century’s wars, all of which could have been declared lost before they were won. Democrats have invested in defeat.}}}}

His boss doesn’t:

{{{{As a young man of draft age during the Vietnam years, Bush avoided combat by signing up for the Texas Air National Guard. And there is a persuasive body of evidence indicating that he couldn’t even be bothered to fulfill those obligations.-Sinthia Tucker, Urinal}}}}

Yes, “a persuasive body of evidence” that no one can seem to find, well, except for the forged Dan Rather documents.

So after this bald faced lie, Queen Pinko moves on to accuse Bush of being a liar:

{{{{Similarly, President Bush and his band of chicken hawks (how serious can you take an editorialist that uses school yard name calling?) built support for the invasion of Iraq on a foundation of half-truths, misstatements and outright lies —- including the fabrication of strong ties between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.}}}}

Yawn:

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress, A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq. Clinton (D-NY), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea Edwards (D-NC), Yea Cleland (D-GA), Yea

Clinton, yea for war, member of the armed services committee, with the responsibility of intelligence oversight, lied to herself?

{{{{At least the architects of the Vietnam fiasco have mostly owned up to their failures.}}}}

Funny, I don’t remember the democrats admitting that they abandoned South Vietnam, dishonoring the Paris Accords and instigating the most shameful and tawdry chapter in United States history, when they cut off funding to the South.

By Tim McKevitt

August 26, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

I am embarrassed to say that for four plus years I’ve considered the Iraq disaster (it is not a war) to be far and away the worst foreign policy decision in my lifetime; probably the worst foreign policy decision in our nation’s history. But I think I will change my mind based on your column today. It prints a quote from a recent speech: “Iraq is one of several fronts in the war on terror — but it’s the central front,” said Bush. “It’s the central front for the enemy that attacked us and wants to attack us again. And it’s the central front for the United States and to withdraw without getting the job done would be devastating.” The quote didn’t convince me or most readers against this disaster that we have been incorrect in our thinking. It was the comment you made next that convinced me. “The veterans’ applause underscored agreement.” I would have never imagined that that a hand picked audience of Pavlov’s dogs would have roared in approval. Here is some advice. Since my guess is that the majority of people that read the editorial page are not idiots, the opinions you express and arguments you make should be aimed at people with a higher intellect. The above sentence in bold appears to be more of a cheerleading quote and an attempt to convince yourself, rather than an attempt to convince the readers.

In a related note, if you do not read the sports section, Roger Goodall told seven NFL middle linebackers whose next contract was contingent upon keeping Michael Vick out of the end zone that Vick has been suspended from the league. The linebackers’ applause underscored their agreement with the suspension.”

By Mid-South Philosopher

August 26, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

An initial supporter of the war, I embraced the President’s rationale (Saddam Hussein’s possession and potential use of WMDs) for the conflict. Even when it was proven that the intelligence, upon which the President appeared to have acted, was terribly flawed, I accepted the President’s secondary reason (Saddam Hussein was an evil tyrant, who needed desperately to be removed) as a reasonable motive for the fight.

I continue to be disappointed and to have some question as to why not one…NOT ONE… agent or member of the American intelligence community has lost their job because of this misfeasance or malfeasance!

The initial effort by Donald Rumsfeld’s lean, mean, fighting maching was brilliant. The combat phase of the war was quickly won. But as I watched the prosecution of the occupation under the tutelage of the On the Cheap policy, it became clear to me that Donnie Rumsfeld and Georgie Bush were, at best, rank amateurs. The very Surge, in which we are at this moment engaged, is a testimony to the incompetence of the Bush-Rumsfeld occupation strategy.

Come September, we will hear from General Petraeus. Unless I am badly fooled, again, he will provide an honest and forthright appraisal of the situation. At that point, if he says…stay, I will shut my mouth and not criticize another military act of this President for the rest of his term. If, however, Petraeus’s report is not positive, I will expect you Bushites to NOT refer to the General as a cut and runner!

Any of you want to accept my challenge?!?

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Cynthia Tucker and Jim Wooten published a “He said, She Said” point/counterpoint today. Both used red-herring non sequiturs to stir emotions of readers. Tucker referred to the last soldier who dies for a mistake. Wooten planted the Iwo Jima flag.

Wooten’s Right: Iraq is one front of the many fronts in the war on terror.

Cynthia Tucker’s Right: The war on terror is one front of the many fronts of the war in Iraq.

Mr. Wooten, define the “enemy” in Iraq.

Ms. Tucker: Should our Commander-in-Chief be a civilian?

Wooten’s argument is a superb example of circular logic: that there exist parallels with previous wars because there are parallels with previous wars. Jingoism without Judgement is not pretty.

Tucker labels our president a chicken hawk when it’s clear no coward could be president. Why tear down the institution further?

You want historical references to predict the outcome scenarios of the Iraq War? How about the alliances that forced Europe into World War One. Those were newly-established and untested, just like the recent alliances that now exist in the ethno-sectarian soup boiling over in the middle east.

We are so close to doomsday, that they had to go digital to measure how close to midnight the clock says it is. (diebold makes the doomsday clock, BTW)

By tim

August 26, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Iraq is the “central front on terror” because we made it so by using false and misleading information to invade a place that WASN’T a harbor for those responsible for 9-11. Afganistan was and should have always been the central push. Korea was invaded by the northern communists, and we came to their aid. That’s a very different scenario that Iraq…WE caused this quagmire, and are trying to impose democracy on a part of the world that has little success or cultural affinity for it.Bush’s simplton philosophy about oversees policies was his weakness when we elected him, and it is destroying our credibility around the world and has caused many of us here to lose faith in our government.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

No matter how you spin it Jim this war is all Bush’s.

I didn’t know that 66% of the American people are Democrats. That is the number from the most recent Gallup poll that want us out by April.

The fact of the matter is not many Republicans support Bush either. Oh sure many of them shout down the Democrats for not “supporting” the war. But how many of them are putting their own butts in the line of fire. Republicans support the war like a cheerleader supports a football game. On the sidelines.

Instead of whining about the Dems ruining your war, how about for once call out your own.

Get off the blogs and into Iraq.

This great threat and everyone is on the sidelines. Maybe people would take this “threat” more seriously if the “supporters” started to ask their own to fight in this war.

Careers and school are way more important to 95% of the American public right now.

Where are the young Republican war lovers, and why have they abandoned their President?

The threat is real, right?

ENLIST

By michael hinkle

August 26, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

“loss of will”? wooten should think about “loss of lives”. I served during viet nam and it was the worst stain on this country because of the deceit and perpetual lies of our leaders.

By Disappointed

August 26, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Jim,

The closing paragraph in today’s column is priceless. “Democrats have invested in defeat. But that’s not what the American people want — and they’ll never knowingly embrace a party that offers it.” As evidence to prove your point, young Americans are flocking to recruitment offices to sign up for the military; specifically the military age children of bush and republican congressman. Jimbo, if you want to find out how much the “hawks” (including you), support the war….. reinstate the draft.

By bschem

August 26, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Once again flat-Earth conservatism ignores the elephant in all our living rooms. For one thing, the Iraqi people are “living under a brutal and oppressive regime” right now, with mass murder and ethnic warfare being carried out right under the noses of the US Army that we are told is winning this war. This ugly fact is waved away with a morally repugnant “better them than us” argument by Bush supporters. So much for conservative, traditional Christian principles.

But that’s only the tail of this particular Republican pachyderm. The rest of the beast that Mr. Wooten & his ilk are attempting to hide is that this war never had anything to do with American principles of democracy. If it did, we would have invaded Lybia and deposed Khadaffi. This war never had anything to do with preventing genocide, as suggested with reference to Cambodia. If it did, we would have intervened in Rwanda. No, this war was about OIL. Period. Bush doesn’t give a rat’s rectum about the Iraqi people, and it shows in the complete lack of interest in planning for securing Iraq after the invasion.

So get off your high horse, conservatives. This was blood for oil from the beginning, or we would have secured Afganistan as our response to 9/11 and dug in our heels there. No, this war is a failed attempt by Bush to take by brute force what Republicans - stuck in the nineteenth century - feel we are entitled to by Manifest Destiny, with predictably disasterous results.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Warner on meet the press now.

must see tv

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Aren’t we lucky the Angry Left is not in charge of national security?:

{{{{ By Corny Cobb August 26, 2007 9:54 AM Get off the blogs and into Iraq. ENLIST}}}}

Just imagine the 101st Wheelchair and Walker Brigade, straight from the nursing home and Intensive Care, right into the maw of the enemy, bravely wheeling their way to glorious, er, victory.

Either that or you can STFU.

What a wonderful message of inclusion, the full spectrum of liberal “diversity,” let’s not make the disadvantage part of the American dream, no let’s muzzle them if we don’t like what they are saying. Let’s stuff them in the closet, lest their words upset our tender sensibilities.

It isn’t enough for the POS left that these people don’t cheer on Al Qaeda’s every atrocity and act of genocide, they don’t disclose national security secrets to the whole wide world, the don’t falsely accuse our brave soldiers of all manner of war crimes, like the pinkos do.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Meet the Press. Dont miss this. Now.

You need to hear this information and discussion.

Dont get left behind in today’s blogging.

Meet the Press now.

By bschem

August 26, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

By the way, Mr. Bush. You are NOT Commander-in-Chief of the United States. Constitutionally, you are Commander-in-Chief of the ARMED FORCES ONLY. Or have you dictatorial ambitions as well?

By Martin

August 26, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Well, after reading all the ho-hum babble from the left on this blog, one would think we really are at doomsday. It’s interesting how The Hill has to shriek about a new terrorist attack would be a Republican power builder. Of course, we all know the conspiracy nut androgynous liberals would say Bush attacked his own country to gain political clout for Republicans. Yawn. The military surge led by General Petraeus is clearly succeeding in lowering the violence level in Iraq [but not competely eliminating it], yet the liberal media cheerleader squads for defeat at the AJC editorial board and blogs like this are scrambling for a new strategy to convince Americans that Iraq is a disaster. To top that, we have deranged liberals that post things like at 9:54am who think that 2/3 of America is Democrat[ic]. It truly doesn’t get any better than that.

Never, EVER trust a liberal.

By jm

August 26, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

If Iraq means so much to W the incompetent, why isn’t he locked up in a room somewhere with the leaders in Iraq trying to handle the diplomacy part of the surge (remember, there were two parts to the surge). Instead, he is giving speeches to the VFW while the Iraqi parliament is on vacation. Also, it is nice to see the republicans trying to swiftboat al-Maliki.

By SOCOM

August 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

By the way, Mr. Bush. You are NOT Commander-in-Chief of the United States. Constitutionally, you are Commander-in-Chief of the ARMED FORCES ONLY. Or have you dictatorial ambitions as well?

That is perhaps the most ludicrous thing I’ve read from a castrated liberal yet. bschem, did you say that same thing when Bill Clinton was “in charge” of America? Didn’t think so. Of course, I’ll bet that pud puller made fun of Cheney when Cheney said he technically wasn’t a part of the Executive Branch which is Constitutionally factual. It is clear the loon left is becoming more deranged and detached every day. Rather entertaining to watch I must say.

By time to baseball bat cut and run appeasing demoNcrat scum

August 26, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

The spineless flaccid appeasing yellowbellied snivelling defeatism of the treasonous hate America cut and run pinko liberal scum is a national and international outrage. These weak willed craven latter day Chamberlains are gleefully lining up like a pack of spastic Pavlov’s dogs to run away from a fight/conflict a thousand times more important than Vietnam - which countless smelly hippie commie dogturds equally gleefully undermined with their dissembling psychotic treachery and despicable cowardice.

So the Pelosibitch, the corrupt to the core Turdtha, the far left lying socialist maggot Feingold and their fellow bleating energiser abject appeasers are joyously aiding the towel head terrorist enemy. Sending daily Tokyo Rosie tuboflesbianhatepiglard O’Donnell like surrender now signals to folks who would kill us all in the twisted sick name of some child molesting illiterate demented seventh century racist arab toyboy halfwit whose word was as duplicitous and self serving as any perjuring lying Arkansas rapist, page boy molesting Assachussets queer or DUI killer Kennedy.

Liberalism is undeniably the most evil, worthless, corrosive and venal vicious mental ‘ideological’ disease the west has endured since the bad old days of the genocidal papist inquisition and the sullenly stupid, backward superstitious murderous religious nutters lost their immense power to control freak - with bonfires and dungeons - the cowed clerically controlled peasantry.

The massed yellow streaked rodents that constitute the verminous liberal enemy within are so obsessed with “winning” at Bush’s expense that their Bush Derangement Syndrome has - like a new instantly addicktive form of crack - blinded them like a cowardly depraved pardon selling Arkansas rapist in a Little Rock hotel room to what is right and what is wrong.

The future of the still globally envied and resented American freedoms have never been more at risk. Clear thinking patriotic Americans must reject the bleating and incessant, snivelling demands for cut and running from the perfidious plague of craven selfish leftist cockroaches and allow commonsense to prevail and avoid the demoNcrat imposed debacle of Vietnam.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Where did I say that 66% of the American public are Democrat? Jim did.

“Democrats have invested in defeat. But that’s not what the American people want — and they’ll never knowingly embrace a party that offers it.”

He said DEMOCRATS are invested in defeat. 66% of the American public want out by April so by Jim’s math they are Democrats.

And how about you Martin? What is your excuse for not “fighting them THERE, so we don’t have to fight them here?”

Does every single war supporting blogger here have an excuse?

Where are the neo-patriots? Why are they at home during this horrible threat to our security? Lead the way!

ENLIST

By deegee

August 26, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Assuming that Afghanistan is one of the many fronts we are fighting in the war on terror, here’s another example of the whac-a-mole strategy of the Pentagon. Clamp down on the North and then watch the South go Taliban. Either get it right or get out. The US military is simply not large enough to fight the war on all fronts. Reinstate the draft and give the military what they need or get out.

“ASHKAR GAH, Afghanistan: Afghanistan is expected to produce record levels of opium in 2007 for the second straight year, led by a 45 percent increase in the Taliban stronghold of Helmand Province.”

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/26/asia/afghan.php

By Lee

August 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Many years from now, when historians ponder the demise of the American empire, they will point to three main events:

• The War of Northern Agression, which essentially replaced our Constitutional Republic form of government with a centralized, federalistic government.

• The uncontrolled invasion by tens of millions of illegal aliens, which undermined the sovereignty and social fabric of our nation.

• An imperialistic foreign policy, which drained this country of trillions of dollars from our treasury and millions of lives of our citizen patriots.

The question we should ask is not about troop pullout or troop surge, no, the question we should be asking is why we allow our addle-brained politicians to embroil us in foreign conflicts that do not concern us.

Our Founding Fathers warned us against entangling foreign alliances. Sadly, we forgot that history lesson…

By jbmlaw

August 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Dear Duh @ 10:28, good response. Your pointed note makes me realize that while the mindless left is not in charge of our anti-terrorism efforts, it does play the role of a screaming chimpanzee bouncing on the shoulders of the serious people attempting to free us of the threat.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

I mean really.

Those that think of Iraq as being this big bad threat are staying on the sidelines.

What kind of war strategy is that?

What examples of history are we using here? What wars throughout history were won by name calling?

What wars were won when the supporters wouldn’t fight? What wars were won when careers were more important? How are your words winning the war on terrorism?

By jbmlaw

August 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Dear TFTT @ 10:52, I’ll second your argument, too.

By zeke

August 26, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

A big 10-4 Jim! Vietnam is held forth by peacenicks, liberals and socialists as a lost war! Bull crap! We were decimating the viet cong, the north vietnamese army and thier chinese backers, who by the way were fighting with the cong against our forces! Even the so called disaster of the TET offensive is misrepresented as a loss. Truth is we had decimated thier forces, and, all we had to do was mop up the swine! But, the peace groups, liberals and anti US crowd pushed and pushed for us to leave because they said we were not winning! Westmoreland made a mistake of telling the truth that if our troops were allowed to fight as they were trained we would be in Hanoi within 6 months and the war would be won, then we could decide about the chinese dogs! That truth got him fired just as MacArthur was fired in Korea when he wanted to pacify the chinese dogs! So look what we have now because of the short sighted decisions made for pure political reasons by Truman and Eisenhour! Thank God W. has the intelligence, wisdom and courage to do what is right regardless of the liberals, socialists, media and the anti US peace activists (anarcists)!

By zeke

August 26, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

TW is a liberal idiot! W. is the best leader we could have now! Thank God Gore, Kerry or Clinton were not in office on September 11, 2001!

By Blog Warriors

August 26, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Come on guys and gals - there are millions of us blog warriors.

Yes, we didn’t serve during Nam, or like Wooten joined the Air Force or the Navy to duck the areas where they were actually shooting bullets, and most of us are pretty old and obese.

But heckfire - any fat slob can drive a truck or humvee around the desert, or hide in the Green Zone waiting for a mortar attack. Remember, if we give them enough targets over they won’t come over here!

And if you think shooting a squirrel or the neighbor’s cat is fun, you get to play with guns in Iraq too. Someone ain’t stoppin’ fast enough for you - someone stoppin’ too fast - someone don’t look right - someone looks too right - blow them away! It’s called “collateral damage” - let Allah sort ‘em out, those heathen mothers.

And let’s face it - Armageddon’s comin’ ladies - better get yourself killed fast, ‘fore Jeezus puts the “No More Vacancies” sign up! Get blowed up in a humvee - seems like The Rapture, I bet.

So why don’t a few million of you True Americans hustle on over to Iraq. I’ll join up just as soon as I find me some damn toilet paper!

Ted Nugent, Pro-War Pro-Killin’ Pro-Death Pro-American!

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

“it does play the role of a screaming chimpanzee bouncing on the shoulders of the serious people attempting to free us of the threat.”

Where are these “serious” people you talk of? Those trying to free us of the “threat”

It seems they have issued themselves waivers for doing the one thing that is necessary for victory, fighting. Why are these people not enlisting? Sounds rather unpatriotic to me.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

The crux of the Right’s argument is that if we leave Iraq, Al Queda will take over the failed state, from which they will launch attacks on America.

It is the one constant across the splintered spectrum of the Conservative base of support for the President.

It also is the weakest point one can make about a post-USA Iraq. Al QUeda will get swallowed up in the chaos of a USA free iraq.

If anything, our presence in Iraq is provided cover for Al Queda to operate because we have established no mans lands and fire free zones and a structure from which any guerilla insurgency thrives.

I cant believe the ignorance of the interviewers who allow these unsubstantiated points to be made during round table discussions.

Why didn’t the host press the pundits who predict that al queda would use a failed state from which to launch attacks?

Please. The idea stinks worse than Mission Accomplished, which stinks worse than Cheney’s Saddam-911 links.

I honestly dont believe that Bush knew what he had wrought when he invaded Iraq in 2003.

I dont think he understands what his options are now either: our options are a field of one - We can never ever leave. Ever.

We are trapped there, against our will, and will suffer the fate of the French who bankrupted themselves in bankrolling our own insurgency. (Thanx to Benjamin Franklin’s legerdemain)

What we are learning from Iraq is how to conduct militia-based political caucusing. We are in grave danger of becoming Iraq, becoming that which we most despise.

We made the cardinal mistake of allowing ourselves to hate. Never hate. We only hate in others what we see in them of ourselves. We ultimately become that which we most despise.

The hate was born from the fear of 911, weilded by our leaders, and transformed into vigilante mob-think, and now the situation is quite hopeless, and the only endgame is that the USA stays in Iraq 4ever, staving off the regional and thus global spread of the chaos.

By Tony

August 26, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

A few things,Bush did avoid going to Vietnam so did Cheney.In Cheney’s words he had better things to do.These guy’s see you rah rah people as fools they can manipulate.Also this if we leave we lost news flash we lost this one already but its easy to say keep fighting when you have no skin in the game. I wish they would start a draft tomorrow oh the song would change when they are sending your son or daughter off to iraq.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Well another beautiful weekend and here we have the same old tired lazy liberals wasting their wasted lives a way on a blog as if it will change the planet. Fortunately, it’s going to only be 90 degrees instead of 101, and I’ve got a new motorcycle to ride to the mountains in a short short.

Corky Cobb is using the same old tired worn out trite phrase of “join up if you support the war” BS. Yawn. Bite me, Corky. You probably never stood up for a single thing in your sad miserable pathetic useless liberal life. Oh wait, we already went through that last week: “I’m against this, I didn’t vote for Clinton, I don’t support that, I don’t agree with..” Meh, nobody gives a flying cockroach what you think, Corky. Come back when you can actually say something grown up like “I am for..” without saying you are for losing a war. We could have won Vietnam by the way ignoramus, as zeke said.

Moving forward, US and Iraqi forces are preparing for an onslaught of violence and bloodshed during Ramadan after the report on Iraq progress is released. You can rest assured that people like Cynthia Tucker, Christiane Amanpour (sp?), Wolf Blitzer, and the libs that blog here will be rooting for the enemy and US defeat. After all it’s just “Bush’s War.” Sickening.

Speaking of Amanpour, how about that Christian/Judaism/Islam religion slam with that multiple Communist News Network episodes? Christians were insinuated as being totalitarians whereas Muslims were touted as being “warriors.” No, I’m not making this up. As if anyone should be shocked at this barrel scraping garbage fest from CNN.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Only a Canadian media outlet has the courage to say “the Liberal leader..”. Here in the States, you can always hear or read about “conservative leader” or “right wing leader” or whatever, but RARELY do you here or read the words “liberal leader” or “left wing leader.” Isn’t that interesting?

Anyway, Canadian opposition leaders delivered an ultimatum to Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Thursday, demanding he reverse course on his climate change policies and Canada’s combat mission in Afghanistan or risk a fall election. Huh. You do realize that this is tyranny at work, no? The attitude of “we believe man-made global warming is an imminent threat to humanity and not radical globalized Islamic terrorism.” Sounds like the left in this nation.

Don’t think for one second that Democrats here in the states wouldn’t do this if they knew they could get away with it. To think they call Bush a tyrant or dictator. Laughable. From the man who in his first six years never vetoed one bill drawn up by Democrats (then of course liberals and Democrats b-itched about “his” spending). They’re all mad, and I’m not talking about anger.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

And now for the truth.

There is no Iraq government.

So, I propose to send all failed Iraq occupation supporters to Iraq to serve in their government.

We know they will not fight so it is time to put up or shut up and serve in their government.

Pundits like Jim could report in Iraq or retire.

I think Jim would retire.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

August 26, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Woohooten, you’re relatively new here. We Your Pope welcome you to the losers of the Woo-ten Klan. On the weekends, Luckovich’s losers also post here, too, making this blog one of the finest representations of chickenhawk kkkonservative mindlessness on the web.

Anyhow, The Order of the Yellow Stripe - the Pro-War kkkowards and kkklowns that regularly post here - will be recruiting you soon - your mindless juvenile bloviating for your Emperor will probably earn you one of their Medal of Freedoms.

Lord, We Your Pope pray for deliverance from these filthy jackals, hyenas, butt pirates and scavengers that support the moron in the White House. Send us a sign - increase their IQs tenfold - once they are halfwits they will be easier to reason with. Amen

By getalife

August 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

There is a ton of work to to serve in Iraq.

Cowards will not have to fight, they could go work on the water, the electricity, the hospitals, the media to spew their propaganda, the laws to steal their oil (the gop would be great for this)and rebuilding the bombed out buildings.

So enough w being right. Prove it and go serve in their government. The troops can’t win without an Iraq government. Help the troops win and be the Iraq government or STFU.

Geez.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

We couldn’t even win Viet Nam with the draft Woohooten. How are we going to win Iraq without one? Our “warriors” have decided to sit this one out.

Our war supporters have given comfort and aid to the enemy. The terrorists have access to the internet and know that our ‘Warriors’ have decided their careers are more important than the war on terror.

I’m sure they are scared to death of the bloggers.

At least you war dodgers don’t have to move to Canada. You get to blog from the comfort of home.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Inflated foreclosure numbers by the media? Say it ain’t so, Joe. Now, nobody in their Right mind would argue that house foreclosures have shot through the roof so to speak, but to inflate something already painful? What’s the agenda behind that? One knife wound into “Bush’s economy” isn’t enough? Oh wait, it can’t be Bush’s economy because as one brilliant liberall pointed out this morning, Bush is only Chief of the military. Don’t you love hysterics in liberal mentality?

Oops, I’m going off on a Nuget tangent (hilarious watching the pansies on the left go grape ape nuts over that video and I knew they would..hey libs, you can thank Drudge for that..Drudge that you nuts hate so much).

Anyway, when you loan out money to sub-prime candidates you take a risk. When you as a consumer buy a home that you can only afford on a month to month basis with no room for unforeseen consequences like milk prices and other groceries skyrocketing due to brilliant liberal corn fuel alternatives, you have asked for it. It would be interesting to know the political ideology of those who had to give up their homes because they bit off more than they could chew. That’d be a hell of a poll, don’t you think?

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Wooten does not define, “premature abandonment”.

Just when is that? What’s the criteria?

See how you are a useless debater? You back up nothing with even less nothing to support it.

We are in real trouble, and Wooten doesn’t even know it.

That means he’s afraid.

The round table discussions included both right and left, Fox and Abc, and they all are pointing toward one deduction: we aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq.

I’m the only one who knew this in the whole world? Who am I?

Now I’m frightened.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Anyhow, The Order of the Yellow Stripe - the Pro-War kkkowards and kkklowns that regularly post here - will be recruiting you soon -

Well thank you, Pope. Although I must say that unlike a current sitting West Virginia Senator, I don’t plan on joining the klan or having the klan as a part of my life in the past. My beloved African-American boss who I would do anything for would surely fire me.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

“We couldn’t even win Viet Nam with the draft Woohooten.”

Corky, you do realize that the B-52 bombing escalation in Vietnam towards the end actually brought the NVA to the table for talks, do you not? Defeatism is what you liberals know best.

BTW, stop repeating yourself man. You are starting to sound insane.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

British move out of Basra police center, Shiite militia moves it

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

“The round table discussions included both right and left, Fox and Abc, and they all are pointing toward one deduction: we aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq.”

Brilliant observation, Carbon Bigfoot. We ain’t nevah gettin’ out of South Korea, Germany, the UK, or Japan either. How many years ago were those wars? For the record, our USAF military presence in Saudi Arabia was one of the leading reasons why Osama turned radical and against the West. So everything is relative, I suppose.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

You have to read the British media to find the truth in Iraq.

Corporate wh-ore media does not report the truth. Hoot is an idiot.

Funny how the world saw w’s speech as a pathetic lame duck attempt to pass on this disaster to Hillary but Jim never mentions the truth.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife August 26, 2007 12:09 PM There is no Iraq government. So, I propose to send all failed Iraq occupation supporters to Iraq to serve in their government.}}}}

al-Gitmo: Hey, since we don’t have a Congress in our government anymore now that the democrats are in charge, can I volunteer to take, let’s say, Harry Reid’s seat?

He’s not using it.

And as far as helping the Iraqi government, how about if we first try to not act like we are going to abandon them to the foreign Al Qaeda killers, like you abandon South Vietnam?

I can see how the Iraqis lack any motivation, with all of you hysterical perverts calling for us to cut and run, I’ll bet they are just longing to cooperate with the Americans and it’s depraved band of flip floppers and sissy coward liberals.

Hell, we are the safest and most secure country in the world and we can’t get Pelosi to look after our affairs, what makes you expect the Iraqis to stick their necks out for us?

Let’s summarize: The Angry Left thinks it is o.k. to publish Taliban propaganda, spit on soldiers returning from war, falsely accuse soldiers of atrocity, threaten to cut off the funding to the troops, abandon an ally to the communist killers after we won the peace, encourage the Al Qaeda killers to slaughter innocent women and children so that you kowards can ape the killing as the fault of America, and after all that and more you want everyone to join the Armed Forces that you are working so hard to defeat?

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

“You have to read the British media to find the truth in Iraq.”

That idiot Getalife has the gall to say that while the BBC has reported lies and Reuters has doctored photographs of war.

Getalife would have made a great nazi propogandist. So easily brainwashed.

By KZ_Guy

August 26, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

I too believe Bush’s speech to the VFW should be required reading. That speech should solidify his position on the bottom rung of the historical presidential ladder. I never thought I would live to see a president as bad as Richard Nixon again. Bush is nothing more than a speech reader. Only an idiot would try to favorably compare VietNam to anything.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

“Hell, we are the safest and most secure country in the world and we can’t get Pelosi to look after our affairs, what makes you expect the Iraqis to stick their necks out for us?”

EXCELLENT point Democrat Duh. What, praytell, has Nancy OR Reid been doing lately other than being a policial ambulance chaser? I guess that explains their 15-28% approval rating in congress. Laughably sad. Sadder for the idiots who voted for those loudmouthed clowns thinking change would happen.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

“Let’s summarize: The Angry Left thinks it is o.k. to publish Taliban propaganda, spit on soldiers returning from war, falsely accuse soldiers of atrocity, threaten to cut off the funding to the troops, abandon an ally to the communist killers after we won the peace, encourage the Al Qaeda killers to slaughter innocent women and children so that you kowards can ape the killing as the fault of America, and after all that and more you want everyone to join the Armed Forces that you are working so hard to defeat?”…………..

So, with all that going on, the war loving bloggers have decided to just sit this one out and not do anything about terrorism?

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE WAITING FOR???

Go show us how its done. Lead. Sitting around waiting for the others and doing nothing but name calling is not going to get the job done. Stop whining about it. Stop pouting. Al Quada killers are massacuring children and you people sit around and do nothing???????????? What does that say about YOUR side?

HEADLINE: AMERICAN WARRIORS SURRENDER! DEFEATED BY LIBERAL PROTESTERS!

ENLIST

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

“Only an idiot would try to favorably compare VietNam to anything.”

KZ_Guy, Bush was referring to the CONSEQUENCES of cutting and running. He was Right. Millions died after we ran from Vietnam, and millions more will die if we abandon Iraq. Only an idiot would try to deny that.

By Redneck Convert

August 26, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Well, I see we got the same old bunch of librul cowards on here today. I say fight and fight some more. Good Southren people never give up in a good fight. That trader Robert E. Lee surrendered us or else we would still be fighting the War of Northren Aggression.

What people on here don’t understand is there is more of us than there is of them. So say we lose a few hundred thousand troops in the next ten years or so. I figure Iraq will run out of people before we do. Because we got more people. It won’t be long till there ain’t nothing but Americans in Iraq. All the Iraq people will be dead. Then we’ll have their oil and plenty of cheap gas and they won’t be able to follow us home because they will be dead. Long as it ends before my grandson little Sonny Zell George grows up and has to join the army I’m all for the war.

The libruls on here want us to cut and run and when we do a bunch of towel heads will be over here trying to break into my trailer and take my 42 inch HD TV. Then I will have to listen on bad radio for my beloved Dawgs and the Falcons and major league baseball might not even be on. The towel heads like soccer. Which is a sissy sport.

Anyway, I just thought I would light into the libruls while Sister Dusty is trying to sober up. She can take over pretty soon. Mixing whiskey and beer on a Saturday night can really do a number on you. She had a big battle with that librul JK yesterday and needed something to comfort herself.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

“Go show us how its done. Lead.”

The hell do you think Bush & Co. is TRYING to do? Hell he’s got TWO enemies to deal with; one in Iraq that crosses borders, and one at home here in the States. Yeah. That means the likes of YOU Corky.

“Sitting around waiting for the others and doing nothing but name calling is not going to get the job done.”

LMAO. Corky has gone off the deep end again. It was bound to happen. Liberal Iraq War Derangement Syndrome is dangerous.

By Dumbya's History Lessons

August 26, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Napoleon enters Moscow - “Mission Accomplished”

Hitler and Vichy France - “Coalition of the willing.”

French at Agincourt - “We got ‘em on the run!”

Hitler at Stalingrad - “It will fall in days!”

The French at Dien Bien Phu - “We got ‘em surrounded!”

Westmoreland just before Tet - “We’re almost through here, Mr. President.”

Custer at Little Big Horn - “We’re Americans, they’re savages!”

The Light Brigade and of course, Pickett at Gettysburg - “Charge!!!!”

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

What a shame. Bush disses Vermont for a visit and the Communist News Network jumps all over him for it and spins it into an Iraq issue:

REGINA GILBERT: He [President Bush] asked something that surprised me. ‘Does it ever get easier?’ And I just looked at him, and I looked at my husband, and I said absolutely not. I said this is a hole in my heart and it’s always going to be there.

KING: Regina Gilbert traveled to Fort Bragg, North Carolina to meet the president. Her only child, Kyle, was killed in Iraq four years ago. Vermont has lost 18 soldiers in Iraq. 41 states have lost more, but because it is so tiny, Vermont has the highest per capita death toll. More than reason enough, Regina Gilbert says, for the President to visit.

GILBERT: Hopefully we’re making strides. But I want to hear something good about it, so my son can look down and say, ‘See, Mom, I told you.’ But I’m still waiting for that day. So, I hope he does come, to our little state, ‘cause I think that we’ve — like I said, we’ve stepped up. And I’m hoping he will reflect and step up as well.

Hmm. Isn’t Vermont that nutter state that allows nudes to roam around freely and supports agnostic haters like Howard Dean?

For the record, nobody in the media raised hell when Clinton dissed the Red State Nebraska for eight years.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

duh,

We have a government but not much of one. The coc runs Washington and you know it.

You need to temporarly replace the Iraq government because they have none.

Lets say about thirty years.

How did you win Iraq without an Iraq government?

By getalife

August 26, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Bill went all the States and they love him.

w can’t go to any of them without the wingnuts.

They hate him.

Clinton 08 for the love.

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Oh, well done, Jim Wooten. I am glad you are speaking more strongly against the liberal element undermining our country.

The President’s last speech shows he is doing the same. He’s a strong President and looks stronger by the day. More Americans are realizing that we are fortunate to have a leader who can perservere during tough times. As ‘tis said, “You can’t keep a good man down.” You can’t keep a good country down either when there is a leader who recognizes the value of freedom and will fight for it.

By GodHatesTrash

August 26, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Vermont has lost 18 soldiers in Iraq. 41 states have lost more, but because it is so tiny, Vermont has the highest per capita death toll.

Way higher than the Woo-ten Klanners.

Cowardly chickenhawk trash.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

“Bill went all the States and they love him.”

Once again that stupid liberal tool Getalife doesn’t address the POINT -> Clinton disses a con state, it’s cool. Bush disses a lib state, it’s evil.

Every exit is an entry somewhere else - Tom Stoppard.

For Iraq, that’s failure and millions of lives.

By papicek

August 26, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

When all is said and done, I think we’ll find that Israel may be the big winner here. In destroying the largest standing army to the east of Israel, they can reallocate resources elsewhere, which they have, in fact, done. However, anyone who says that this war makes America safer is being less than candid. Nobody knows what lies ahead. Anyone who says that this war and occupation is an effective way to combat terrorism is forgetting that the terrorist movement is transnational, and that the terrorists, like the insurgents in Iraq responding to the surge, have simply picked up and started elsewhere. This has been the bloodiest August since the actual fighting ended, and those who point out that Anbar province shows gains from the surge, should remember that we’re seeing that in as little as 48 hours after our troops have redeployed from any particular location, the insurgents have returned.

How did we get into this mess? James Dobbins, writing in Foreign Affairs*, puts our failures neatly, “Americans should insist on leaders who will foster debate and welcome disciplined dissent.” And that’s what has been missing here all along. Instead, we’ve had uncritical reporting from the press, many of whom have since acknowledged it, taking the Bush administration’s assertions as though they were graved in stone. We now know to what extent we’ve been led by amateur intelligence analysts (Rumsfeld’s ad hoc pentagon group investigating Saddam’s ties to Al-Qaeda) and officials who have no stomach for dissent and too much regard for their own opinions. Colin Powell was right all along, and he knew it. Because people’s lives depended on the outcome of Bush’s decision, I would have been happier had he held his ground. We might have still gone in, however, we all would have benefitted from a frank and honest airing of the goals and probable outcomes.

And everyone knew beforehand that invading Iraq would be, in Cheney’s now-famous words, “a quagmire.” I knew it, before the first bomb dropped—Israel has been at this for almost 60 years and they’re still at square one. There’s grown a culture that wants to take up what we call terrorism, and we all know that it enjoys broad support. So in retrospect, everyone was asleep at the wheel here; the White House, in entering upon a policy without internal debate, the republicans who are more intent on building a lasting majority in Congress and on corporate handouts than on the state of the nation, the democrats whose job was to make dissenting viewpoints heard, and the American people who let themselves be led like sheep. Our people in uniform and their families are now paying the price.

Iran now stands before us and now is the time for discussion. And I don’t mean the mudslinging of lefty crazies or rightie wingnuts. I mean what the founding fathers intended: a free people engaged in mature debate to decide their course.

We’ve failed our foundering fathers. We’ve all failed them. Let’s not compound the problem by calling for a Christian jihad. I can promise you that it’s never going to happen. The six sergeants who sent that letter to the NY Times made a brave choice. In that letter, they specifically mentioned reason they wrote was that the debate on the course of the war and occupation had more to do with domestic political concerns than with the realities on the ground there. We can insist on all the “benchmarks” we like, yet the fact remains that those benchmarks have everything to do with domestic political concerns and nothing to do with Iraqi realities. They are worse than useless in light of the fact that we in the United States haven’t realized that we cannot rebuild Iraq; that only the Iraqis can.

Those who serve there deserve better than slogans, they deserve better than childish name calling, they deserve better than an unexamined policy that profoundly affects their lives. They deserve our very best.

*”Who Lost Iraq?”, James Dobbins, Foreign Affairs, September/October 2007, Council on Foreign Relations.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

He is a lame duck.

A desperate soul of a sniveling coward.

The worst leader this country has ever seen.

w and cheney should think about their country for once in life and resign in disgrace.

Reid was right but w and cheney will never admit it.

This is an act of cowardice. If you support these failures prove it by going to Iraq and helping their government. There is much work for you to do.

Of course, you will type your support but do absolutely nothing.

By AmVet

August 26, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Notwithstanding Mr. Wooten’s sycophantic cheer leading, here is:

The Recipe for Success in The War on Terror in Iraq

Beginning in 2000, continue to develop strategies to oust Hussein/Baathists and eventually work feverishly to make any connections, no matter how dubious, with the Taliban, Al Queda, “terrorists”, foreign/non-Iraqi jihadists, whoever.

(Nice bonus benefit - get to finally clear the legacy of daddy, along with Donald Rumsfeld himself, who “didn’t finish the job”. As they originally feared a “quagmire”).

Totally disregard credible notice and take no actions whatsoever, that the enemy had plans to use US airplanes as weapons. Instead use finite resources to grab at every straw available (very large quantities of WMDs, uranium from Niger, supposed clandestine meetings between the Baathist and Al Queda, aluminum tubes, etc…) to support the “plan”.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, futher develop strategies (in the world of business this is known as cooking the books) to ensure overthrow of Hussein is the primary focus after routing Taliban in Afghanistan.

Created a bloated turf-protecting and inefficient bureaucracy called The Dept. of Homeland Security that is SUPPOSED to better coordinate intelligence gathering from the countless other turf-protecting bureaucracies.

Make many of the American voters extremely nervous and suspicious by implementing “war time emergency measures”, like dancing on the legal line of providing habeus corpus or freedom from unreasonable search and seizures.

Demonstrate no success at all in utilizing these measures.

Use relentless hyperbole and every single chance possible to invoke the date of 9/11 and use numerous other scare tactics and propaganda (“we can’t wait for a mushroom cloud as the smoking gun”, “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” ad infinitum).

Sell the concept of regime change and the ensuing benefits as infinitely easier than it is in reality - “We’ll be greeted as liberators with flowers and candy”, “the insurgency is in its last throes” (in 2005), “the surge is working” (in 2007).

Sell the idea of regime change in Iraq as germane to finding and killing the real culprits, regardless of where they are, Saudi Arabia, etc. And play this off as being as equally effective as finding any and all of the others who were heavily involved or directly responsible for the attacks on the United States.

Strong arm, swift boat, lie about, whatever, any and all political opposition to force support of the endeavor, thus reducing the eventual blame. In other words use American politics as the single biggest instrument of policy.

Put far too few troops in country to effectively prosecute the original “plan”. Play this blunder off as “going to war with the army you have”.

From the very first days of the occupation, make a withering series of strategic blunders and allow the pillaging and rape of the country and the ever increasing slaughtering of its citizens to begin in earnest virtually unabated years later.

“See” the “plan” as being so fluid that the goals are always mysterious and “success” is never easily identifiable. Cloak everything in slogans like “we’ll stand down when they stand up”. Attempt to convince the least knowledgeable of the American people that the goal there is not geo-political in nature nor has anything to do with our petro-chemical interests in the region, but rather as a humanitarian effort to export democracy to the very country where the Reagan administration helped empower the dictator in the first place as a failed answer to the Iran problem.

Convince the American people that a complete dearth of military experience does not matter in war time decision making and actually sell them on the concept that those who have demonstrated valor of the highest order in combat and who oppose you are irresolute or as the senior senator from Georgia called it “lacking courage”.

Disregard every lesson from history regarding land wars in Asia and the incredible and obvious chances for lack of lasting political success in this region.

Push all of your potential allies away by discounting their opinions (unless their intelligence supports ours, like in the case of the cowardly, useless France and Russia), and calling the United Nations irrelevant (UNecessary), thus forging a “coalition” of basically us and few bit players.

Sell this concept as American pride and determination at its best rather than as a rogue half-cocked cowboy foolishly going it alone.

Use almost Goebbels like oratory and tactics to portray any and all opposed to this effort as cowards and unpatriotic. (PACIFISTS are PARASITES on FREEDOM).

All the while take virtually all of your energies and focus off of the larger reasons for the strife - Israel and her neighbors, and thus the worldwide fanatical elements of Islamic terrorism in response.

Expect Americans to never question your credibility, competence or trustworthiness in these matters regardless of just how many mistakes and misjudgments you make and no matter how much intransigence you display, nor no matter how much of a debacle you make of it.

Lather, rinse and repeat as needed.

By We Blog For War!!

August 26, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

It’s the least we can do.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Another shocker. The Seattle FBI and the Washington Joint Analytical Center (WAJAC) is requesting the ID of two men pictured on a ferry who are suspected terrorists.

CAIR comes to the rescue and says those photos are “resented.” But remember, Bush didn’t “do enough” to stop 9/11 from happening at the hands of radical Islam - for those that actually believe the Jews and Bush weren’t behind it anyway.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Take it to the lgf coward.

Geez.

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

God Hates Trash @1:45

Maybe those soldiers from Vermont know that NOBODY in their state is supporting them. Makes it pretty tough to fight when your homefolks are crying and b*** like cowards.

On the other hand, real Southerners know how to fight and also know that people at home are supporting them 100%. Makes a big difference in morale.

(By the way, redneck convert is a half-wit phony Southerner, not to be believed on any account except for one. I do believe he drives a beer truck when he’s not delivering pizzas.)

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Dusty: redneck convert = GHT = ?

By getalife

August 26, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Call at National Guard conference for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq greeted with standing ovation

Enough with the bs.

Get out now!

Men with honor resign when they fail.

We told this was a disaster and you cheered on the wasted lives.

Shame!

By satch

August 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

what is sad the gop and their followers don,t give a damn about the iraqi children and women getting whacked everyday.not one iota of concern for them.iraqis will hate the us forver.you cannot kill folks today and tomorrow say let,s be freinds and everything is ok.let tell you about a secret.those soldiers hate being in iraq and they are counting days until they go home.how do i know?i just spent 3 years in iraq working over there and knew scores of them.the officers will make rank the enlisted won,t get jack.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Nope. I’m not going to ride today. That damned SUV-caused global warming is causing too many thunderstorms to pop up this afternoon.

Hey, how many liberals knew that George Wallace was a democrat like Byrd? You sure wouldn’t know it from the media. Surely if Wallace were a Republican that would have been mentioned here. Oh but we know, we know libs: current Republicans are former southern redneck KKK members. Like Byrd is a Republican. Funny old world, isn’t it?

By getalife

August 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

They build monuments for the fallen wasted lives in Vermont you freaking loser.

They have the highest mortality rate in Iraq per population.

Apologize now!

By Exposing hypocrisy

August 26, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty: redneck convert = GHT = ?

Andy = Woohooten = Duh stands for Democrat = WootenDull = LuckoDull = ??? = countless others.

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Woohooten @ 2:16

I am not sure about that combination of redneck and GHT. The seemingly benign Dr. Jekyll and the vicious Mr. Hyde? May be. They both post big lies.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

(That 2:22 post should get the libs going, har har).

Anyway, here comes the anti “Hillary Haters” mob march and witch hunt. Yep. Hillary as a victim. Hillary as one who is always attacked. Hillary as someone who has drawn “venomous opposition.”

Now just WTF do they think has been happening to the Bush camp for the last, say, 7 years? I can’t believe the hypocrisy from the left, but I’m really never disappointed to see it time after time after time again.

By Exposing stupidity

August 26, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

On the other hand, real Southerners know how to fight, especially for the wrong reasons and with no chance of winning.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Exposing hypocrisy:

“Andy = Woohooten = Duh stands for Democrat = WootenDull = LuckoDull = ??? = countless others.”

LMAO. I don’t blog to myself. We didn’t really land on the moon either, did we? Bush blew up the WTC buildings and sent a missile into the Pentagon, didn’t he? UFOs come out of the water, don’t they? Stupid liberal idiot.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Funny how Christian cons have lost their ability to decide right from wrong.

This has destroyed the Christian values they claim to have. The younger generation sees this evil and they act upon it.

Murder rates are expoloding in this country and the English are seeing gangs. White collar crime is out of control in Iraq. This is the evil they preach against but see it and do nothing. They are complicit with the genocide and crimes.

Where is the real leadership and the real moral values in this me generation?

It is not the gang of preachers warmongering and the silence of the Christians when they see right from wrong. They chose the wrong path and their souls will burn in hell †.

I have made my peace with God by speaking out against this evil. I suggest you repent and do the same or face the consequences.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

“what is sad the gop [sic] and their followers don,t [sic] give a damn about the iraqi [sic] children and women getting whacked everyday.”

Who let the kooks out today. Sheesh. Screw you, satch you pathetic POS.

By Maj. Joe Sowers 3rd HBCT Public Affairs

FORWARD OPERATING BASE HAMMER, Iraq – Insurgents who target coalition and Iraqi security forces sometimes miss the mark – with grave consequences for Iraqi civilians.

Soldiers from Troop C, 3rd Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, were targeted by insurgents while patrolling in Jisr Diyala, southeast of Baghdad, Aug. 21. U.S. Soldiers were unhurt, but two local children were caught in a roadside bomb explosion, killing one child and injuring another.

Capt. Darrell Melton, Troop C commander, a native of San Antonio, described the incident.

“The trail Bradley gunner was waving at two kids who were riding their bikes and were waving at my guys,” Melton said. “The next thing the Bradley commander knew, one of the kids was gone in a puff and he was thrown backward in the hatch. When he looked back, the other kid was crawling on the ground.”

Melton said his Soldiers immediately dismounted their Bradley Fighting Vehicle and cautiously approached the wounded child. It is not uncommon for improvised explosive devices to be emplaced in groups and detonated on first responders coming to provide aid.

“He (the wounded child) crawled a few feet, when the medic on site, despite the danger, ran out to him, picked him up and ran back to the Bradley to administer first aid,” Melton said.

The medic was able to stabilize the wounded child, Melton said. Troop C then evacuated the child to a U.S. Army medical facility nearby.

Such incidents are not unique to Troop C. Soldiers from Company A, 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry Regiment, came upon a grieving family in the course of a routine combat patrol, Aug. 13, in Salman Pak.

Capt. Chris Pearson, of Birmingham, Ala., met with a local banking official in Salman Pak to discuss issues and prospective solutions concerning the banking industry in the local area. After the meeting, a town councilman approached him with a father who had lost his son earlier in the day to a roadside bomb.

Pearson said he did not talk directly to the father, but the councilman explained the father just wanted to bury his son in accordance with Muslim tradition.

“I expressed the coalition’s condolences,” Pearson said. “Even though the IEDs target police or coalition forces, they can hit children and families. They are the ones that suffer.”

The councilman informed Pearson that the family was having trouble getting through checkpoints and requested U.S. Soldier assistance in traveling to the cemetery.

“Just to make it easier, we had them travel with us,” Pearson said.

After dropping off the family, Pearson’s element began movement to Combat Outpost Cahill, north of Salman Pak. While traveling to COP Cahill, Pearson’s unit received word that the grieving family had run into another IED as they were returning from the burial. No one was seriously injured in the second incident.

Pearson further explained that national police, local Iraqi police, governmental leaders and coalition forces all play a role in maintaining security in the area. When Pearson’s unit arrived in March, the local populace and Iraqi security forces had not yet developed a trusting relationship.

“There are still a lot of improvements that need to be made,” Pearson said. “Everyday it gets better. There are highs and lows. They’ve begun attending meetings together and as long as they are communicating, it’s helpful.”

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

getalife@ 2:22

You need to apologize to all American troops. Now you say the people of Vermont are building monuments to “fallen wasted lives”.

According to your liberal jackleg talk, the troops supporting and fighting for the policies of America are wasting their lives.

Well, buddy , you are another kind of so-called “wasted” but never one with a monument. And stop using all kinds of IDs. We know you from a mile off.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

“It is not the gang of preachers warmongering and the silence of the Christians when they see right from wrong. They chose the wrong path and their souls will burn in hell †.”

Then I assume, Getalife, that you have the same to say for the likes of Vick who cheer for dangling kittens in front of pit bulls while allowing them to get torn to pieces to train them dogs for fighting.

Then I assume, Getalife, that you have the same say for the likes of Vick who kills dogs for money and greed.

Then I assume, Getalife, you have nothing but contempt for that alleged “Christian” group the SCLC for backing up the evils and wicked ways of Vick and his cohorts.

If you do not, then your words are meaningless.

By GodHatesTrash

August 26, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Woohooten - which party did you vote for in 2000 and 2004?

That’s your clue - ignorant southern rednecks vote the same way you do!

Trash.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

“Woohooten - which party did you vote for in 2000 and “2004?

The hell do you care, God Hates Trash the liberal hater? What does it matter to you? I can assure you it wasn’t Gore and Kerry. You disgusting liberal POS.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Warner Robbins vs Japan at 3pm.

must see tv.

those young men are inspiring!

They could beat the braves!! (maybe)

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

WNBA semifinals NYvsDET. 71-71 under 3 minutes!!

must see.

Women’s b-ball is a more pure game than the NBA, which is half sumo-wrestling.

They actually respect the rules in the WNBA.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

This is what I am talking about

I am happy I chose the right path.

By RC

August 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Jim,

Was Bush & Cheney right to get out of serving in Vietnam? The Iraquis will not pull together…we need to finish the job in Afganistan if that’s possible now with the unbelievable delay. We better get western Europe and hopefully others to help was go after the islamists radicals. I am sure Russia and China are just lovin’ our strategic blunders.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

“It is not the gang of preachers warmongering and the silence of the Christians when they see right from wrong. They chose the wrong path and their souls will burn in hell †.”

Then by Getalife’s brilliant logic, every war ever fought and every person that died fighting it or that supported the cause at the time that died after the war was over is going to hell.

Tell that to Sherman and Lincoln.

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

God Hates Trash,

What party did you vote for in 2000 and 2004 or is it against the law for convicts to vote in your state?

Don’t really care.

Bubble and boil with your trouble and toil. The Braves are playing and I had rather watch them.

By Grunt 11B30

August 26, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

We do not want to withdrawal(surrender). We are making strides. We were taking heavy losses in Amariyah(Western Baghdad) but stopped them cold (with the help of Iraqis. This is happening in many other places around the country. Pulling out would cause ethnic cleansing on a scale with what the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia. Ive seen it firsthand. For those of you not overhere, you cannot possibly imagine the brutality inflicted by our enemies. Be glad there are soldiers with body armor, automatic weapons, training, AND A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DANGERS we face taking them on here. If we surrender, there will be ethnic cleansing, a civil war, an emboldened Iran, and Islamic extremism prosecuted on the west backed by Al Qaeda, Hizbollah, the Mahdi Army, and possibly a nuclear Iran. Do you honestly think they will leave us alone if we just pack up and go home? They will come after us and then you will get first hand knowledge on what a truck bomb can do to Lenox Mall on a Saturday afternoon. Wake up. Its never a good thing to lose a war, much less to religious fanatics who want to destroy you. On a personal note, I don’t want to leave because it will mean too many of my friends have died for absolutely no reason. I WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.-An infantryman on his second tour in Baghdad.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks George, for bringing Democracy to Iraq!!!!

It seems like just yesterday we were all cheering for the ink stains! Remember? tThat was going to be the beginning of Iraqi stability!

Its time for a new vote. We need to ask the Iraqis what they think of Democracy now! We need to ask these Iraqi’s to go to the polls again.

Ballot Question: Should the Iraqi government be disbanded and a new government elected?

To vote yes for a new government roll over in your grave.

To vote no, just lie still in your grave.

I’m sure this will lead to another unanimous vote. Just like the old days.

Thanks George!

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Taliban islamic thugs attack NATO outpost in Afghanistan killing two. NATO’s response: “This is another example of the Taliban extremists ignoring international law of armed conflict.”

Wow. Such powerful words. Such leadership against islamic thugs. The thugs should be abiding by international LAW for Christ’s sake. What the hell is wrong with those thugs? Why can’t they abide by international law for the love of God †? Let’s just drink a caramelized latte at Starbucks and mingle with the stupid liberals and get the expert opinions. Hell liberals know everything. Got a question on the part number for a 1971 Chevrolet Impala A-pillar chrome trim piece? Just ask a liberal! They know everything dammit. Google it like Rosie and be an expert! That’ll shut you stupid cons up.

Oops. I’m wavering off topic again.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Wow what a rare downpour in Atlanta!

Wooten and Tucker published a point/counterpoint, he-said, she-said opposing columns today. Which one is the ignorant slut?

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

“Wake up. Its never a good thing to lose a war,”

Grunt, you have to understand something. The Bush derangement liberals don’t care. They REALLY don’t care what happens in Iraq. They say they do, but they don’t. You CANNOT support the troops and not the mission. That’s a paradox. In their mind, it’s “Bush’s war” and that’s all that matters. They and their mindless media minions want Bush to fail at everything. From economic issues to war issues, they don’t want the Bush administration to prevail at anything. Their negativity throughout the years speaks loudly and carries a big stick. If you tell wacko liberals and modern Democrats (mostly the same IMO these days) that the sky is blue, they’ll counter that it is brown. You cannot reason with these people. You can only counter balance their twisted and warped framework of reality.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Hey grunt. You R correct, sir.

However, what you describe if we leave Iraq was there before we went in, and will be there if we leave 100 years from now.

So you agree that we can never leave Iraq.

Imagine that.

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Far and away the best post that the Wooten blog has ever produced:

{{{{By Grunt 11B30 August 26, 2007 3:23 PM We do not want to withdrawal(surrender).}}}}

Thank you Grunt.

By Sadie

August 26, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Woohooten, I just read that every American alive has been at one time or another eligible to serve their country during a time of war.

WWII, Korea, Vietnam, first Iraqi war, now Iraq II.

Which one did you serve in. Or what excuse did you have if you didn’t serve?

By Jackie

August 26, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Dubya states that nearly 1,500 al Qaeda fighters have been killed or caputred each month in Iraq. Sounds “exactly” like the message put out in VietNam with the number of Viet Cong or NVA soldiers killed. For those of you that do not know, the USA put out “estimated” number of kills. If those numbers were added up, we would have killed the entire population of VietNam. It has been reported that there are approximately 5,000 al Qaeda fighters in Anbar province. It seems that we should have taken care of the problem within one month at the rate of 1,500 per week. More of the same lies from the criminals in the White House. The neo-cons have begun to call those that do not agree with the carnage being inflicted upon our ground forces “wobbly.” Don’t you just love the hyprocisy and the gonads these people put in our faces and expect each of us to believe the lying liars.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Woohooten: Uh, lets see, what’s the question I wanted to ask you….uh, cant think of it….uh……oh yeah!

WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ?

Finally, somebody who seems to know what the mission is…….woohooten you have the floor!!

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

By bschem

August 26, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

By the way, Mr. Bush. You are NOT Commander-in-Chief of the United States. Constitutionally, you are Commander-in-Chief of the ARMED FORCES ONLY. Or have you dictatorial ambitions as well?

Getalife:

By getalife

August 26, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

duh,

We have a government but not much of one. The coc runs Washington and you know it.

Sounds to me like you two liberal derangement clowns need to get together and discuss your differences. Sheesh.

Liberal wackos.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

(posting in between power outages here)

“WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ?”

“Finally, somebody who seems to know what the mission is…….woohooten you have the floor!!”

Bigfoot, if you don’t know by now, then me addressing your false concerns for our troops is futile. Just pray for our loss. That’s all you need to do, liberal POS.

By AmVet

August 26, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

is this the next chapter in Mr. Bush’s clusterf()ck of an occupation?

Iraq’s former interim prime minister accused Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki of fomenting the sectarian violence plaguing the war-ravaged nation and said Sunday he will return to Baghdad soon to “reverse the course in Iraq.”

However, Ayad Allawi’s ties to a powerful Washington-based GOP lobbying firm is raising eyebrows as President Bush has adamantly expressed his support for al-Maliki.

Speaking from Amman, Jordan, Allawi told “Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer” that he will push for “a less sectarian, nonsectarian course” when he goes back to Baghdad next week — and al-Maliki’s ouster may be part of the solution.

Allawi also said he would like to see the U.S. begin withdrawing its troops immediately, but he realizes the process could take more than two years.

“I would play my role in Iraq in whatever capacity is required to change Iraq into an unsectarian country, to a peaceful country, to a democratic country,” Allawi said. Video Watch Allawi explain why Iraq is far from political reconciliation”.

Al-Maliki leads a government loyal to Iran and Shiite interests, Allawi said, accusing the Iraqi leader of “supporting militias to take the rule of law in their hands.”

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

By Sadie

August 26, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Woohooten, I just read that every American alive has been at one time or another eligible to serve their country during a time of war. WWII, Korea, Vietnam, first Iraqi war, now Iraq II. Which one did you serve in. Or what excuse did you have if you didn’t serve?

Sigh. Will someone please remove the monotonous liberal children from this blog please so adults can converse?

“Why daddy?”

“Are we there yet daddy?”

“Daddy you are mean and I hate you”

“Daddy you had a disagreement with Mommy and I hate you”

“But daddy, I didn’t mean to go number two in my pants”

Sheesh already.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

See? How easy was that, folks?

They dont know the mission, they just want to read themselves blog.

Just as we thought.

No, they dont know what they’re saying, or doing. We are in real trouble, people.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

wingnuts are willing to sacrifice more of our troops when the Iraq government has collapsed. Pathetic.

Their own party wants to withdraw because they see this reality. They bash their own party beacuse they are losers and can’t admit they are losers.

Reid was right.

Admit it wingnuts.

By Jackie

August 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

@AmVet,

Have not heard the “clusterf**k” term since back in the day. RIGHT ON!!!

By AmVetj

August 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Carbon Footprint, I gather that asking Andy for the mission in Iraq is tweaking his nose as much as anything, because I am reasonably certain, you know, like the rest of us, full well, he will not, nor cannot ever come up with a concise, lucid, satisfactory answer.

In his defense, though how in the name of his beloved Jesus, could he, when the men that comprise this worst ever administration in Washington, cannot either?

I mean what is he/they going to say? That the mission is to implement a fully functional western-style democracy with virtually no violence and with liberty and justice for all Iraqis?

Gimme an industrial sized break!!

As I said earlier today, they “see” the stated “plan” as being so fluid that the goals are always mysterious and “success” is never easily identifiable. They cloak everything in slogans like “we’ll stand down when they stand up”. They consistently fall easy prey to the administrations attempts to convince the least knowledgeable of them that the goal there is not geo-political in nature nor has anything to do with our corporate and petro-chemical interests in the region. Instead they buy hook, line and sinker this quaint notion that it is a humanitarian effort to export democracy to the very country where their penultimate hero, Ronald Reagan, helped empower the dictator Saddam in the first place as a failed, short sighted answer to the Iran problem.

So you’ll have to settle for that typical meaningless excuse for an answer at 4:16.

And I don’t see that ever changing.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

“Be afraid. Be very afraid.”

Go hide under your bed, Bigfoot. Better yet, go find a Blues Clues blog. That more fits your intellectual abilities. Stupid liberal parrot. Hate victory and love failure. You defeatist liberals are disgusting.

By AmVet

August 26, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Back in the day, we had lots of great phrases, sayings and acronyms to describe the sometimes inane situation in the Armed Forces. I imagine, little has changed in this regard.

SNAFU (Situation normal - all f()cked up), “he is so full of sh1t, his eyes are brown”, one of my favorites was referring to any of the more loathesome officers as Major Richard Head. We also said things like “the military is just like the boy scouts, but without adult supervision.

But then we were young and had to do something to keep our sanity!

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

A liberal is calling for a city government to bail out people who can’t make their mortgage payments. Any idiot that even wants to live in LA is asking for failure, but I won’t go there. Oops, I just did.

Anyway, leave it to a lib Democrat to call on a government agency to bail out a group. I’ll bet that same bozo was against the Fed bailing out airlines after 9/11.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Reid was right.

It does not matter who they put in charge, it is lost.

Malarki is going to Iran and Syria for help after we withdraw.

Time for w and cheney to man up and resign in disgrace.

Of course, they have no honor and will not.

At the pearly gates , you will asked if you supported the Iraq disaster.

I am happy I chose the right path.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

“So you’ll have to settle for that typical meaningless excuse for an answer at 4:16.”

Gee. Just when I thought we got along based on the last couple of weeks, AmVet accuses me of being someone else. Oh well, no big loss I reckon. Just another Bush deranged liberal. I’ll get over it.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

“Time for w and cheney to man up and resign” in disgrace.”

We have obviously not heard this enough from Getalife. We need about 1,455 more posts of that. Then perhaps maybe, just MAYBE, someone will go brain dead long enough for that to sink in.

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Everytime I read WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ I think, could anybody be that stupid?

This country is at war, spelled W-A-R, and some of you libs are clueless. Do you think we are playing basket ball or golf or tennis or pool or some silly game for points? WHAT IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK WE ARE DOING?

I know. You never heard of 9/11, Osama, Islamic fundamentalist killers, terrorism or Iraq. You only know about protest marches, white flags, carbon footprints, melting icebergs and insulting our troops. You want to whine about Bush, Rove, Cheney and spend your days NOT SUPPORTING THE WAR but digging for something against the Bush administration. YOU WANT TO LOSE THE WAR.

Most Americans are working to keep our own freedom, to give the Iraqis their own chance at it, to bring our troops home and to make terrorism just a bad memory. That is what most Americans are doing, but not the liberals. They want to work against our country and take us down with them. NO WAY! I will not run with the losers and I am not alone.

By Corky Cobb

August 26, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

LMAO!

google this, LuckoDull ajc.com sheesh

or Luckodull ajc.com Koward

You will notice LuckoDull/Andy/Duh uses these words alot in past posts.

Who else uses these 2 words? Well none other than Woohooten!

Andy/LuckoDull/Duh/Wootenhooten/Grunt11b30 are all the same person.

Or maybe its just a coincidence that Woohooten uses the same uncommon words.

“Sheesh” Andy, you’re busted!

Koward!

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

“Sheesh”

Actually Corky, I am more partial to Getalife’s “geeze” comment, but chose “sheesh” because she/he/it didn’t use that phrase. I want to be original. If Andy/LuckoDull/Duh/ uses “sheesh” in every comment, I sure didn’t pay attention.

Nice rant however for a lib. I give it a 7 out of 10. Lacked more originality though. You can do better on conspiracy. I’m sure of it. I have faith in you, Korky.

By Dusty

August 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Corky Cobb,@5:12

I don’t know whether you are Mickey Mouse or Ronald McDonald but you are obviously the one known as FOOL.

Keep up the foolishness and make it more obvious. But we already know.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, and why the hell is a pathetic bored liberal googling what ANY blogger posts here or anywhere else for that matter? Man, talk about derangement syndrome.

By Jackie

August 26, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

You imply we liberals are not cognizant enough to recognize that we are “at war” with those who attacked us on 9/11. Was it the Iraqi’s or Osama Bin Laden that planned the attack? Did Osama reside in Iraq? Did any of the attackers come from or were a native of Iraq? The liberals understand we have a “enemy” that lives in Afghanistan/Pakistan. What we don’t understand is why the neo-cons keep wanting us to fight and kill Iraq’s when the “enemy” does not live there? Please explain the misperception we have?

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

New York City hits record low. IN August. Where are the global warming Gore puppets? Where are the liberal tyrants like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. telling those of us who don’t believe that man is causing global warming that we should be jailed for treason? Where are the protesters who got snowed out of a march in June? That global warming BS sure has taken a big hit lately. It’s amazing how many flat earthers denying sun activity and historic global temp deviations are still cowering under their beds and calling those who don’t agree with them “nazis.” Cowards. I already posted last weekend how Kyoto causes global warming. Hilarious. Stupid liberals.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

“You imply we liberals are not cognizant enough to recognize that we are “at war” with those who attacked us on 9/11.”

Hate to break the news to you, Jackie, but a lot of you foolish liberals believe Bush was behind 9/11 so we could get oil and go to war in Iraq. Oh yeah, and nearly 4 1/2 years later, we STILL aren’t getting any oil. You people really have no credibility outside of your own circle of kooks.

By Jackie

August 26, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

Your logic implies that being in Iraq fighting when the “enemy” is in Afghanistan/Pakistan, someone cannot shoot straight. Does the military or Dubya have a problem with their eyesight?

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

But if you lived in Damascus and Moscow and Havana, the Vietnam war was about America: American credibility, American purpose, American will. For our enemies today, it still is. Osama bin Laden made a bet – that, notwithstanding the T-shirt slogan, “These Colors Do Run”: They ran from Vietnam, and they ran from the helicopters in the desert, and from Lebanon and Somalia – and they will run from Iraq and Afghanistan, because that is the nature of a soft, plump ersatz-superpower that coils up in the fetal position if you prick its toe. Even Republicans like Sen. John Warner seem peculiarly anxious to confirm the bin Laden characterization.

~~~~~~

{{{{In the words of one soft-spoken coalition planner in Baghdad, “We are demolishing them.” After four long years, the coalition has finally grasped the keys to victory. Al Qaeda has begun to lose the staging areas it needs for attacks in Baghdad. Just staying alive and avoiding capture is becoming a full-time occupation for them. As security envelops Baghdad, and calm spreads along the river corridors that extend out from the capital to the furthest reaches of the country, what is already clear to many people here in Iraq will become increasingly impossible for the rest of the world to ignore. Because they have finally learned how to protect the people of Iraq—and help them to protect themselves—the United States and its allies are winning this war.}}}}

~~~~~

David Brooks has lost his freaking mind as well as all of his credibility:

{{{{First, Democrats lose because they are too intelligent. Their arguments are too complicated for American voters. Second, Democrats lose because they are too tolerant. They refuse to cater to racism and hatred.}}}}

What democrats does he know?

Geez.

~~~~~~

{{{{Yes, Bush is so dumb he graduated from Yale, earned an MBA from Harvard, was an F-102 fighter pilot — and was elected Texas governor and U.S. president twice. All his critics should be so stupid. You see, the Bush-is-dumb crowd is busy looking at the whole picture. Forget the accomplishments; what’s important is how Bush mispronounces “nucular.”}}}}

Bwahahahaha.

By AmVet

August 26, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Andy/Duh stands for Democrat/WootenDull/LuckoDull/ad nauseum perhaps you will get over the outing, or much more likely you don’t care about truth and never will. Even regarding yourself.

Trust me, it is only of the most minor amusement for me, as the real entertainment was watching you get your nuts cut off over at MLs and having to suffer a Time Out for being such a bad little boy with such a cesspool mouth.

And BTW, you had better have a private little confab with jbmlaw, who said you also post as WootenDull, etc…

BUT of much more importance than your contemptible penchant for using and hiding behind multiple personas, where is your non-meaningless non-excuse of an answer to the question posited by Carbon Footprint?

WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ?

Bonus question: WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS FOR MEASURING SUCCESS? CITE EXAMPLES.

I know this is extremely difficult for you Andy, as it would be for anyone in your camp, but it is not a trick question. Think concise and lucid.

You can continue to run but you cannot hide and so once again, you have the floor.

By raisedanidiot

August 26, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Wooten is a wuss that can’t think for himself! And he lies…

“Democrats are reshaping their own from-the-fringe message on Iraq in the face of measurable, albeit modest, improvements in the Iraqi security situation.”

…uh…WHAT improvements might that be…and…dems are “reshaping their message”? Are dems now gun-ho for Iraq, Jimmy? You’re down-right delusional!

dust ball @5:07 -“Everytime I read WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ I think, could anybody be that stupid?”

dust ball, why is it stupid to ask a question? NOT asking questions is what makes YOU stupid!

“This country is at war, spelled W-A-R, and some of you libs are clueless. Do you think we are playing basket ball or golf or tennis or pool or some silly game for points? WHAT IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK WE ARE DOING?”

WHY are we at war, STUPID!

…” That is what most Americans are doing, but not the liberals.”

Uh…seeems to me like…the 64% of Americans that want this so-called “war” to end would constitute as…MOST AMERICANS.

This is the most pathetic blog I’ve seen in a long time…I bet they hold ML’s blog over for the weekend so they will get somebody to read wooten…he’s not even worth my time.

hey, getalife…did you see the piece yesterday on what they’re doing to whistle-blowers in Iraq…unfcknblvable!

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I thank you very sincerely for your letter and for your offer to transport me towards freedom. I cannot, alas, leave in such a cowardly fashion. As for you, and in particular for your great country, I never believed for a moment that you would have this sentiment of abandoning a people which has chosen liberty. You have refused us your protection, and we can do nothing about it. You leave, and my wish is that you and your country will find happiness under this sky. But, mark it well, that if I shall die here on the spot and in my country that I love, it is no matter, because we all are born and must die. I have only committed this mistake of believing in you [the Americans].

Please accept, Excellency and dear friend, my faithful and friendly sentiments.

S/Sirik Matak

The Khmer Rouge took Phnom Penh a few days later. Sirik Matak was executed: shot in the stomach, he was left without medical help and took three days to die. Between 1 and 2 million Cambodians were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in the next three years. Next door, tens of thousands of Vietnamese were killed, and many more imprisoned. Hundreds of thousands braved the South China Sea to reach freedom.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

AmVet, who are you talking to? I have NEVER posted on any other blog than here.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

“Military commanders tell Brown to withdraw from Iraq without delay”.

On behalf of the real American people, I would like to thank the British troops and hope we follow their lead.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Bottom of the 6th, score tied. Warner Robbins up. Great baseball.

Bush was correct when he said mission accomplished. We deposed Saddam, and ascertained that there were no WMDs. That was the mission.

So why are we still there four years later? What is our mission now?

Not one person has come forward to redefine the mission. Not one.

All we get is charges of treason for asking what the mission is.

So what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Can we ever leave Iraq? Yes? When and how? What is the criteria that would allow US troops to leave Iraq?

Anyone.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Correction: I have never posted on any other AJC blog other than this one. AmVet was reasonable last week, but now he or she’s joined the conniption fit deranged liberals. Such a shame. Oh well, the dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Grunt, thank you for your service. But if we are gonna win this thing - you need to be doin’ a whole lot more fightin’, and a whole lot less bloggin’.

(Even if you can’t win, would be nice if y’all could get that Osama fella.)

Leave the bloggin’ to the crackerjacks like me and woohooten. We can’t fight, we may as well blog.

By Jackie

August 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

@woohooten

“Hate to break the news to you, Jackie, but a lot of you foolish liberals believe Bush was behind 9/11 so we could get oil and go to war in Iraq. Oh yeah, and nearly 4 1/2 years later, we STILL aren’t getting any oil. You people really have no credibility outside of your own circle of kooks.”

New Flash!!!!!!! . . Most of you neo-cons still believe that Sadam Hussein and the Iraq’s were responsible for 9/11. . . Question I would ask you, why did we invade Iraq? Did Richard Pearle and Paul Wolfowitz not state publicly and clearly that the invasion would be paid for with the oil we could pump out of Iraq? Have you neo-cons made a determination as to what terms the Iraq’s are suppose to resolve for the carbon division in their country? I suspect they do not like the deal of a 70/30 split of their oil at prices being dictated by the major oil companies. Please give us liberals a lesson in foreign diplomacy.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

EXTRA INNINGS at the Little League World Series Championship Game.

Who is that Japanese pitcher? WOW!

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

“I bet they hold ML’s blog over for the weekend so they will get somebody to read wooten…he’s not even worth my time.”

Hey raisedidiot, then WTF are you doing “wasting your time” here? Stupid liberal.

By getalife

August 26, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Nice pitching duel in the World Series.

Its a nail biter.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Talk radio helped kill the immigration bill. No kidding. I wish I could listen to it. Too bad Hanoi Jane & CO’s radio show flopped like a beached mackerel. Too bad Air America went down in flames. Too bad liberals can’t express their ideas on open air and be successful. LMAO.

By AmVet

August 26, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Woohooten, so you’re calling jbmlaw a liar.

For me and probably virtually every other blogger here, he has more credibility in his little finger nail than you do in all of your many personas.

Not to mention plain old intellect and honesty.

I’m sure he’ll be around tomorrow, why don’t you ask about this little mix up of his whereby he contends that Woohooten is also WootenDull, etc, etc…?

And if you “forget” perhaps I’ll ask him to review this afternoon’s posts and comment for himself.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

What the hell are you liberals doing watching little league world series? Don’t you know it’s not FAIR? The Slate liberal pansies said so because some kids were BIGGER than others. Sheesh.

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

BBC bans terror plot because it might be offensive to Muslims. What a shame. This is where Getalife gets all his “news” from.

By Carbon Footprint

August 26, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Wow, folks, what a game! If you’re not watching these kids play baseball on ABC right now, you dont love baseball, apple pie and coca cola, in fact you may as well join the Al Ka Ka gay men’s choir right now, you traitorous goat herders!!!

By Duh stands for Democrat

August 26, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Woohooten August 26, 2007 5:45 PM AmVet, who are you talking to? I have NEVER posted on any other blog than here.}}}}

Woohooten: Never mind Amvet and the rest of these paranoid psychotics, like someone used to say always frisk the liberal first.

You would be utterly amazed at how many posts by liberals on this blog and luckovich’s come from one person using multiple names, including Amvet who posted under the name “One Voice” and about fifty others.

It isa testimony to their weak thinking that they cannot distinguish between two totally different styles, nor can their puny little brains fathom that there are millions of us Conservatives, and not an army of mindless robots sloganeers like they are.

Besides which, why does this nattering nitwit take such interest in his erroneous outing, does he fashion himself as some great dic-ktective?

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

“For me and probably virtually every other blogger here, he has more credibility in his little finger nail than you do in all of your many personas.”

AmVet, you can do whatever you want to. You and your ilk just debate with “repeat what Rush & Hannity say” all the time here with what I post yet never back it up with word for word references. If any other individual here posts similar words to me, then that just means we think alike. We think Right. If that offends you in the very least, then you need to go find another blog because obviously this one is going to your head. I am sorry we had a downfall in blog relations, but so be it.

{reality show mode off}

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

“New Flash!!!!!!! . . Most of you neo-cons still believe that Sadam Hussein and the Iraq’s were responsible for 9/11…”

That’s a LIE and a BIG lie and you know it, Jackie. What the hell do you think 80% of Congressional DEMOCRATS voted for regarding Iraq? Revenge for 9/11 and Saddam? Make up your damned minds. Did we go to war for revenge or to stop WMDs? Stop lying and repeating the lies. It’s no longer working. The hell is wrong with you idiots on the left?

By Woohooten

August 26, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Warner Robbins little league team. Isn’t that just a bunch of mini rednecks that liberals like God Hates Trash can’t stand? Why are liberals watching an unfair advantaged sport anyway? Why do liberals even WATCH sports. Someone wins, someone loses. That goes TOTALLY against the ideology of liberalism.

Word.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

August 26, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Well, GHT, more pathetic dogsqueeze from the many noms de poof of Andi/e-duh. That silly fat old queen can’t keep from warblogging. That yellow streak down her spine keeps her out of the Army - that and “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

These folks are irredeemable trash, spawn of Satan and a hyena.

Hats off to the kids in Warner Robins. Take them away from their drunken pervert parents and they might just make it.

By Carbon Footprint

August 27, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

I’ve always enjoyed the Little League World Series. This year, however, I came to admire the coach, and every individual player. When they each got a TV closeup and a turn to say who their own favorite player is, I simply was mesmorized and just looking at their fresh, undrugged, alert and confident faces told me that the future is in good hands. (and that was just the Japanese team, you should see Warner Robbins).

I played little league in Waco Texas in 1959 and 1960. I was the best player, but the coach wouldn’t let me play (the dirty rat); just because of the one time he caught me underneath the bleachers looking up girl’s dresses.

Seriously, I was at bat once, and the ball hit me square in the left ribs, exactly on the heart. I collapsed and couldn’t breathe and I instinctively knew that I couldn’t catch my breath in time to keep from passing out, and at 10 years old, I thought I was a goner. (“tell ma I always liked her apple pie….) Well, the umpire saw my consternation and surmised exactly what to do. He opened a tall, cold one, took a long swig, and reached down and pulled me up about a foot off the ground by grabbing my belt buckle, bending me backwards, and this instantly allowed air into my lungs, and I recovered in seconds, walked to first base, stole second, stole third, called timeout and went underneath the bleachers, (d’oh), and then came in home on a single.

That was a close one, my fine friends.

BTW: what is the mission of AL Queda in Iraq? Can any of you uber-pundits even hazard a guess at that one?

I would suggest that most of you take a year off of blogging. I can handle it. I’ve got it covered. Most of you are three years behind events. Bookman’s article today, although correct, was outlined by me about three months after the purple finger elections. Bill Maher also said then that we’d have to overthrow the government we just spent lives for.

How can I know so much about what is going to happen? Elementary, my dear t**, Elementary.

I deduce things. I play, geo-politics all day long. I ask myself, “What if. What would it take. How many men?”

I’ve deduced that we now have a 70-80% chance of war with asia via shia liasons w/Iranians.

If you’ll allow, I’ll explain, for the 1000th time, why: Iraq is an intersecting subset of several cross-border ethno-sectarian populations (10K years old). These ancient tribal groups are regionally displaced only by arbitrary borders on arbitrary maps. Thus, some of these tribes live in China, but are actually Iranian or Iraqi. The socio-cultural traditions bind them and join them at the breasts. Thus, any reunion of the tribes constitutes a defacto invasion of one country into another.

That’s what’s about to happen, and why we can nevah leave Iraq now. This situation existed before we went in. Invading Iraq opened up this pandora’s box of rube goldberg time bombs set to go off at the doomsday clock’s midnight, (nless we baby sit Iraq forever).

It will cost trillions. Trillions.

We will be thus financially denuded and gelded as a superpower, but maybe that’s a good thing, and maybe we wont produce such cowboys as the McRoves from Tex-arkana.

‘muff said

By natalie

August 27, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

you all try to run a country! it’s not just as easy as everyone might think

By natalie

August 27, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

you all try to run a country! it’s not just as easy as everyone might think

By SP

August 27, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Supporters of this war always have to frame it in ways that support their thinking. It’s part of the war on terror, we can’t retreat, we can’t give up. BS. I spent 23 years in the military and it’s a stupid war. We went in under false assumptions and poor thinking, and we’ve tried for 4 years to make a silk purse out of this sow’s ear. I don’t believe the surge has done much, but maybe give us a little more tactical flexibility. But let’s pretend it’s really working. So for 4 years we’ve drug this out for lack of another 25K troops? How stupid is that? It’s all gamesmanship and BS and the Whitehouse doesn’t want to admit it’s made a HUGE blunder. No, they’ll continue to let American kids die over there, so that when the next admninistration takes over, they can blame the loss on them. We’re only wasting lives and treasure over there, while giving the Taliban a chance to comeback in Afghanistan. We’re losing the war on terror because we have the incredible albatros of Iraq around our necks. We don’t even control events over there, we just keep a lid on things. It’s time to let the Iraqi’s sort things out for themselves.

By SP

August 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Supporters of this war always have to frame it in ways that support their thinking. It’s part of the war on terror, we can’t retreat, we can’t give up. BS. I spent 23 years in the military and it’s a stupid war. We went in under false assumptions and poor thinking, and we’ve tried for 4 years to make a silk purse out of this sow’s ear. I don’t believe the surge has done much, but maybe give us a little more tactical flexibility. But let’s pretend it’s really working. So for 4 years we’ve drug this out for lack of another 25K troops? How stupid is that? It’s all gamesmanship and BS and the Whitehouse doesn’t want to admit it’s made a HUGE blunder. No, they’ll continue to let American kids die over there, so that when the next admninistration takes over, they can blame the loss on them. We’re only wasting lives and treasure over there, while giving the Taliban a chance to comeback in Afghanistan. We’re losing the war on terror because we have the incredible albatros of Iraq around our necks. We don’t even control events over there, we just keep a lid on things. It’s time to let the Iraqi’s sort things out for themselves.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

August 27, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

-=-

How long can we sustain a continued war in Iraq at the massive expediture that we have been throwing into the Mid-East sandpit?

How long can we keep resending the same troops back to police and patrol such a huge many bordered territory before we exhaust them?

What constitutes a final descisive victory in this slogan promoted war?

Is there a finish?,Or will the American taxpayers continue to foot a bill and rising National Debt so huge that one day this Great country of the “United States of America” will be bankrupt beyond all hope of recovery?..

Did we not learn the lessons of the fall of Russia in its continued war in Afghanistan?

Russia learned the hard way that they could not sustain a war against the continuous supply of partisans and insurgents of that country? A war that eventually cost Russia more in military financial cost than even the Great Mother Russia could sustain? You might even say that President Jimmy Carter can be thanked for the fall of Russia. But you will never see a neocon admit his part in causing the financial fall of Communism in Russia!

But instead we are now subjected to the un-realistic fantasies that if we had stayed in Vietnam we would have somehow had some definitive victory.

Please tell me - What Victory? What was the win condition in Vietnam that we could have achieved to end the war?

• Reality apparently does not exist in this argument.

Oh and now we hear that so many people died because we pulled our forces out of ‘Nam.

They would have died anyway, and frankly we were also causing many of their deaths.

I might also add that had we stayed, many more American lives would have been lost. Just go visit that big black wall in Washington DC and count each name by hand and tell me it would have been much better to stay there.

And Cambodia? You use Cambodia as an argument? How in the world can anyone justify this when you know that the cause for the horror of Cambodia and the Cambodian people enlisting the aid of the Khmer Rouge was because Nixon and Kissenger carpet bombed them in secret. An attack that violated teh War Powers act and the power of Congress.

The horror of Cambodia was due to our own meddling and nation building. We should have learned, yet we didn’t and now we nation build in Iraq.

Sadly - Too many people in this country now confuse “Nationalism” with “Patriotism”, and leave their morals and civility at home. When you mistake the bravado of a false feeling of Patriotism when it is in all reality Nationalism, then you have already denied yourself your honor and your victory!

Thomas/PNAC

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