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DEL.ICIO.USSam Nunn? Who he?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The question today is timing in politics. Former U.S. Sen. Sam Nunn, a revered figure in Georgia politics while serving in the Senate between 1972 and 1997, is tossing around the prospect that he’ll enter the presidential race as an independent.
“It’s a possibility, not a probability,” he told the AJC’s Jim Galloway. “My own thinking is, it may be time for the country to say ‘Time out. The two-party system has served us well, historically, but it’s not serving us now.” He cites as evidence a “fiasco” in Iraq, excessive federal spending, the absence of a serious energy policy, and a presidential campaign devoid of serious discussion of those matters. He’s among those who argues that the the far left and right dominate the debate.
Nunn’s right about the issues not being addressed responsibly. But I don’t remember another looming crisis, Social Security’s solvency, being addressed responsibly by any Congress or presidential candidate over the decades Nunn served in the Senate.
Since Ross Perot brought us Bill Clinton, I’ve sworn off third parties. They’re spoilers. And whether it’s Michael Bloomberg or Sam Nunn, they’re good for something under 20 percent of the vote. Nunn was needed in, say, 1992, By now time’s passed him by, in national politics at least.
The question, though, is timing. Ten weeks is an eternity in politics. Ten years — the time Nunn’s been out — is a double lifetime. I’m curious how many Georgians still have a strong impression of him. The state changes awfully fast.
Newt Gingrich and Fred Thompson also may have waited too long. With every passing week, and the first of the primaries less than five months away, it’s harder to imagine either of them in the Republican race. I think by now the field is set in both parties.
Does Nunn excite any takers here? Was there a time he could have been a serious contender?
Comments
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Sam Nunn would be an excellent vice presidential candidate for any of the Republican candidates, although more valuable to either Mitt or Rudy than Fred or John or Newt. I identify Sam with the Lieberman (i.e., the dying, but true moderate and conservative) wing of the Democrats. Since Mr. Nunn is conversant with defense needs and capacities, he is obviously an unacceptable candidate for our leftist brothers. I admit that I was an out-of-state admirer during Sam’s government years, so I do not know if his ego allows him to accept a second spot; from a distance that did not look like an issue.
Jim’s questions are a little more pointed; no, he does not excite me, but I like him, much the same as my feelings toward Rudy or Mitt. In truth, like Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman, there has never been a time that Sam Nunn could have been a serious contender – he was in the wrong party. With a party change, say around 1988, any of those could have been a player today.
By Redneck Convert
August 20, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
Well, I plumb forgot about old Sam Nunn. I kind of thought he was dead, like Sen. Russell. Anyway, it don’t matter. He’s still a Democrat and no decent person here in GA will vote for a Democrat, unless it’s old Zell. Which is a Republican, only he calls hisself a Democrat. Sam left the Senate just when the radicals was taking over the Democrats, so there was never a time when he could of run for president. He thunk Right, but he was still a Democrat.
It’s just too late for anybody else to run for president. It looks like we’re stuck with what we have. It will be the radical commie Hillary or this Osama guy (one of Those People)against Rudy (too stupid to learn his lesson after marrying for the second time) or Romney, who ain’t even a real Christian. What kind of a choice is that for a god-fearing redneck that just wants things to keep going the way they are going?
My buddy Jim Earl says he’s just going to set this one out. He ain’t about to vote for a radical Democrat. And if he votes for Rudy he will be voting for abortion and a guy that’s been divorced twice and can’t even get along with his kids. No fambly values there. If he votes for Romney he will be voting for a flip-flopper and a Mormon to boot. We won’t even know which Romney we’ll be getting in the White House. Heck, he might even invite that Korea preacher that marries about a hundred couples at a time and marry about 50 other women. Then we won’t even know which First Lady is which. Anyway, all the polls show that either Clinton or Osama would whup up big-time on Romney, so a vote for him would be a vote for one of them.
I don’t know how us godly Christians messed up so bad that we don’t even have a decent canadate to step in when My President leaves the office. We made a bad mistake going in debt like that and voting for every piece of tom-foolery that come along. Seems like nobody likes the Republicans now. The Democrats is just itching to get in there and raise my taxes and appoint librul judges and turn us into a commie state with free doctoring and no war and all that money going to schooling and such.
I may just set this one out. It’s a dirty trick, is what it is. Maybe I can pray for a better canadate and that all these leading canadates will die real quick before the election. It would be the Christian thing to do. Right now I’m so low I would need a stepladder to touch a snake’s belly. And the 1st person that mentions Ron Paul as a Republican canadate is liable to get the hood of a beer truck in the driver seat.
By CJ
August 20, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
I agree with Jim that third parties are spoilers under our current voting system. The right was angry about Perot in 1992 (although I’m convinced that Clinton would have won anyway), and I’m angry about Nader in 2000. There’s no telling what a Bloomberg or Nunn candidacy would do in ’08.
On the other hand, I’d be thrilled to have third-party candidates if we would institute runoffs where, when we cast our ballots, we can vote for a second choice in case our candidate doesn’t make it into the top two. Continuing to send people to Washington because most of the votes against him or her were divided among a number of candidates is insane. Also, without instant runoffs, we hurt ourselves by limiting the range of choices and inhibiting the kind of exchange in politicking that we desperately need.
By anonymous
August 20, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
RUN SAM RUN!!! Jim, if ever a Sam Nunn was needed the time is now. In fact maybe Sam is just what is needed to save the Republican party from the destructive course that it is on. Any of the front running republicans out there today will only complete the self immolation of the party. The Republican party in its present form is in serious need of a gigantic wake up call.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this
If Nunn would say why…..
Why? Why did he say Iraq was a fiasco?
Did he define what the mission is, and determine the criteria for judging it a fiasco?
Another Bumper sticker.
Vote for Nunn.
theproblemwithiraqisthatwehavesetupanopenendedprobabilityexperimentwherecontrolisforevermissing.
We dont know what could or might or should or probably will happen. It could be anything from political compromise by warring factions, to world war three.
The longer we get distracted by the impotency of a Sam Nunn, the longer Iraq could evolve into a fiasco, (if you use term lightly)
Revolution is in the air, people. I know, I talked to the unworthies and the less-thans and the have-nots. I’ve spent months day-in day-out and I listened. I worked undercover as one of them. (I guess I fooled ‘em).
The attitude is coagulating across socio-economic lines: The status quo itself is accelerating the slide to chaos.
When the country witnesses that fathead Rove abusing the evil, but beautiful Hillary, there will be a landslide, and the first shot in the New American Revolution.
First symptom: a Me 2 congress for Hillary. Few will dare defy the mob demanding justice.
Google Justice. Sam Nunn’s picture aint there.
By Southern Democrat
August 20, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
If Sam Nunn ran, he would have at least one vote, mine. If ever there was a gentleman who put his constituents and principles first while in the Senate, it was Senator Nunn. As I mentioned last week, Sam would NEVER have allowed the removal of all of our Atlanta area military bases (save Dobbins), costing the Atlanta area thousands of jobs. Sam also has extensive foreign policy experience (something our country desperately needs).
Third party candidates are important because, even if they are not viable winners, they change the conversation and mollify some of the more outlandish views of the major party candidates. Further, they do well by Americans to evaluate the CANDIDATES and not the PARTY. I would wager that the vast majority of persons on here (including Mr. Wooten) have not voted across party-lines except on a handful of occasions. This voting behavior is unhelpful and allows elections to become entirely too predictable, reducing the number of states/districts “in play” to a miniscule number.
I would definitely vote, without hesitation, for either Nunn or Bloomberg over any other announced candidate.
By the only good liberal is a dead liberal
August 20, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! … SOME GLORIOUS NEWS TODAY!!
The illegal mexican leech gutlessly infesting some vile pinko moronic happy clappy church in yanKKKee IL has finally been deported!!
BLOODY GOOD RIDDANCE!!! Just another 20 million or so to go!!
BYE BYE YOU NASTY ILLEGAL LEECH and take that noxious “anchor baby” with ya!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293757,00.html
YET MORE BLACK anti-White racist discrimination. This time in the black crime cesspit of NOLA.
These black racist racial spoils scum need to be ‘politically’ lynched out of office all over America.
A federal appeals court has upheld a verdict against New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan that found he violated the civil rights of dozens of white employees he fired when he took office.
Jordan was sued for racial discrimination by 42 whites and one Hispanic, who were all replaced by blacks. The City of New Orleans — or state of Louisiana — will have to pick up the $3.5 million award in back pay and damages.
Sam Nunn - like the corrupt slumlord deranged eco-whacko hypocrite and pathological LIAR the alBore - is yesterday’s irrelevant demoNcrat. At least Nunn wasn’t part of the treasonous cut and run far left hate America scum now laughably ‘running’ Washington.
By Politics Aside
August 20, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
Sam Nunn. The only phrase that survives (because it’s the only phrase anyone ever used about him), is that he was “strong on defense”.
So what. I’m sick of defense. Defense didn’t work. His defense was useless, obviously.
Sam Nunn. The idea is preposterous. How these mediocre men attach themseves to these interchangeable myths. Politics is a lie. The definition of Poitics should include the word lie.
Oxford’s Dictionary: Politics is the art and science of Government. (replace any word with “lie” in that definition and it’s more true)
Someone get Dikipedia on the phone!
By Robert
August 20, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
Mallory, if you read the Nunn story you would know that Mr. Nunn laid out a very specific agenda that he feels this country needs to adopt to save us from the failed policies of the past 2 administrations. And there are probably millions of Americans that agree with him wholeheartedly. He also made a very true and accurate statement as to why the 2 party system has failed this country miserably over the last decade or so. The only people who are threatened by the idea of a 3rd party or strong independent candidacy are the fringe lunatics in both parties. And they need to be threatened. In fact they need to be rendered null and void. The time is now.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
So then, mr. roberts, what is the mission of US troops in Iraq? (as enunciated by the venerable sam)
or use your own words, if you dare, but…..
Dont you dare blog another word about the 2 party system. All sam nunn knows is that it’s better than the one party system cause it’s twice as good.
The sheer ignorance of discussing changing our system of fooling the people all of the time is making my genitals itch.
By the only good liberal is a dead liberal
August 20, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
Best ever HiTllary sticker. Shows the lard arsed lying venal feminazi hatepig in its most natural, honest habitat!!
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By Robert
August 20, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
Mallory, it’s probably herpes that is making your genitils itch.
By Robert
August 20, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this
And by the way Malolory. The only constituency that the 2 party system serves today are the fringe lunatics and wingnuts that would be totally neutered come 3rd party time. Are you one of those Mallory? You seem to have your panties all in a wad over it this morning. Maybe you should try changing into a clean pair and do get some Valtrex for that genitil itch you are complaining about.
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August 20, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
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By Curious Observer
August 20, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
If the Republicans had the brains of a common titmouse they would be shoveling money under the table to Ralph Nader, as they did in the previous campaigns.
Sam Nunn has zero chance of winning the nomination of either party, and he would never accept a VP slot. So suppose he runs as an independent. Guess which voters will go for him, as opposed to Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney. The few Democrats who label themselves conservative aren’t sufficient in number to elect a county commissioner, much less a president. Ergo, you have even fewer people supporting the Republican nominee, and you guarantee the election of the nominee of the Democratic party.
I can’t help rejoicing at the glaring weaknesses of the Republican candidates for the presidency. You’re stuck with either Rudy or Mitt. Either one will guarantee that a lot of the political troglodytes in your party will stay home on the first Tuesday in November 2008. You’re gonna hate ‘08. For ‘09 you’ll need an anodyne.
By Robert
August 20, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
The Republicans need a wake up call Curious Observer. If 3rd parties or independents cause them to lose an election maybe they will finally get it that they need to move toward the center where mainstream America resides. The wingnuts have practically destroyed the Republican party. Keep pandering to that crowd and Republicans will pay with lots of lost elections. It’s going to get really ugly for the Republican party come the 08 congressional and senatorial contests.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Y-y-yeah! If Sam Nunn had the brains of a t-t-titmouse then Ralph Nader would get more m-m-money!
By SusieHomeMaker
August 20, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
Roberts — Mallory is not a serious blogger. Mallory has been on this blog under various names, however he always gives himself away after the first sentence so that indentifying him has become easier. Just ignore him; he won’t go away; but at least you won’t be “talking” to yourself.
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
I feel only sadness about Sam Nunn. He is a man of impeccable character and great intelligence, the kind you want in the White House. But he’s been gone too long. His aim is for the stars, not reality.
This is not the time to be setting up “new” political parties or “sitting on the fence” parties. We need to be winning the war in Iraq and get that straightened out.
To repeat, Sam Nunn needs to talk about “winning” not starting over in the political world. If he could stand up and say seriously that he wants to win this war and go for it whole heartedly, then I would probably vote for him. The war sounds namby pamby to him.
I am sure that I read he is not interested in being vice president. OK, Sam. Best you go back to your political retirement. We need a fighter (I like Guiliani at the moment, wives or not). This is not a time for “inventions” but a time to bring about victory. Bye bye, Sam, or rethink your sudden ambition.
By Thomas Paine
August 20, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
When Republicans continue down that right wing highway straight to the hell that will be a Hillary Clinton presidency, it is absolute proof that there is no such thing as common sense conservatism. If the republican party is to survive it is inevitable that the right wing has to get the middle finger.
By Thomas Paine
August 20, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
What we need Dusty is a full scale retreat from the radical agendas of the right and left wings of both parties. The republicans have the most to lose from not moving to the center. They are dead in 08 anyway. Whether this is a short term condition or terminal is up to the party itself. Move to the middle or die.
By Van
August 20, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
Robert,
The left needs the wake up call more than the Republicans.
The fringe nut cases have stolen the party of JFK and FDR and turned it into a national embarrassment. From the party that guided us through WWII and Korea, to a party that refuses to support the Global War on Terrorism and our troops.
When during a debate, the Snowman is more popular than the candidates running for President.
When the candidates pander to a special interest group and attends a single issue debate what does that tell you about how they will attend to this country?
When the leading candidate on the lefties side, can’t find her billing records for two years, how is she going to lead this country?
The republicans are not that good either. One candidate dismisses the War on Terror as our fault and calls for the legalization of some recreational drugs.
By Robert
August 20, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
06 didn’t tell you anything Van. Moderates in this country have no desire to be contolled ever again by those on the Republican right that want to dictate how the majority of this country chooses to live. I guess I just might as well come out and say the religious right. Nobody in their right mind wants talibaptists controlling the political agenda in this country. And Van I hate to tell you. 06 was an alarm going off. 08 is going to be the full blown pail of water wake up call that the Republican party needs so desperately. After that the Republican party is nothing more than one hilarious chinese fire drill.
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Thomas Paine 10:24
You were pretty clever in the old days when you poured gasoline on the fires of the Revolution and kept the flames going against British imperialism.
But alas, age has take its toll and dementia has set in. No longer do you support the fight, you want to bridge over it.
Yes, a third party, indeed, as if this hasn’t been tried over and over. Wake up, man! We are FIGHTING A WAR not a picnic in the park. We DO NOT need some prize politician setting up his NEW pandering party while our soldiers are fighting for OUR lives. We need a FIGHTER!!
Crawl back in your crypt, Thomas Paine. You have forgotten how to fight for freedom.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 20, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
Former Senator Sam Nunn as a presidential candidate….I like the idea.
As an independent…I like it even better.
The Election of 2008 is going to be unique in American History. Perhaps it is time the Democans and Republicrats were outed and ousted
By BOR
August 20, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
The republicans are not that good either.
The most ridiculous comment of the day, month, year, decade and past 25 years!!!
By GeorgeT.
August 20, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
Robert is right. The wingnuts in the Republican party have alienated large numbers of people in this country. The right wingers are seen as flat out dngerous to the American way of life while the wackos on the left fall more into the nuisance category. The right wing has become nothing more than a trash recepticle for every nativist, xenophobe, and miscellaneous piece of racist trash that America has to offer. A real septic tank for the dregs of society.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
You cant write off the Right in ‘08 with Rove on the loose.
How can you trust the democrats to win? So far, they’ve shown nothing.
A good solid campaign from the right could still win.
American voters are that easily swayed.. Proved it too many times for it not to be true.
“Surrender monkey, amnesty, god, hard work, flip flop, and orange alert” are the only words you need to win.
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
MIdSouth Philosopher 10:44
Did you know we are at war? No, it isn’t between Democrats and Republicans. It is against terrorism. Our soldiers are doing the fighting. Just thought I would remind you (and almost everyone else here) of current affairs.
By Thomas Paine
August 20, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
And maybe you Dusty should fan the flames on the stove in your kitchen and leave the tired old cliches and republican talking points to Rush Limbaugh.
By David
August 20, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
Dusty, maybe you should go masturbate to a picture of Dick Cheney or something. Spare us your stupidity today.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
Yeah, I have a prediction for Dusty: Paine!
By Curious Observer
August 20, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
So Dusty rolls out of bed, puts on her uniform, and unleashes the full arsenal at the enemy: fight-them-over-there-before-we-have-to-fight-them-over-here, war-on-Terror, support-our-troops, support-our-President, cut-and-runners, win-the-victory, my-son-was-in-the-military, so-was-my-husband, etc. She is so predictable and archaic that she could be replaced by a wind-up doll.
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
Fortunately for us Dusty can not be replaced!! She reminds me of that song, “I can bring home the bacon, fry up in the pan, and never, ever let you forget about bombing Iran; ‘cause I’m a woooomann!”
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Thomas Paine @10’57,
I knew you were archaic but women’s rights have already been established, buddy. If you go chop wood I’ll build a fire in the stove. I will start it with some of that liberal literature of yours.
David @10:59
Why don’t you go wash your mouth out with soap? You are a disgrace to your mother. If you knew your father, he’d give you a whipping.
By Walter
August 20, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
When I saw one of those W stickers on a pickup truck right along side a Union Yes sticker the only sense I could make of it was one of the “new republican” types. Probably one of the nativist rednecks that have gravitated to the republicans of late.
By Van
August 20, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Robert,
Moderates lost big time in ‘06. Where were you.
Pelosi is a moderate? Reid is a moderate? Mutha is a moderate? Joe Lieberman, a moderate was turned on by HIS party, but won as an independent. Outside of Lieberman and a few others, wackos won in ‘06.
By David
August 20, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
And Dusty, maybe your father should have bought you a pair of shoes and sent you to school. Even a 6th grade education would have helped you out a little. Obviously you have at least the mental capacity to remember and recite republican talking points.
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
When I read that the “Queen Of Mean” had died, I thought they were talking about theonlygoodliberalisadeadliberal!! Unfortunately, they were talking about just another cold hearted, all for me, money-money-money, shifty, republican!!
After her son died, she sued the estate for money and property she said her son had borrowed, and an eviction notice was served on her son’s widow, Mimi.
Mimi Panzirer said afterward that the legal costs wiped her out and “to this day I don’t know why they did it.”
Helmsley is survived by her brother and his wife, four grandchildren and 12 great-grandchildren. Funeral arrangements have not yet been announced.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
That’s the problem with the myspace Right here on this blog: they hack the same identical crap every day.
ANd you morons bite everytime.
Why? R U that bored?
Dusty is a wad of refried thinktank effluvia pinched right out of McRove’s loaf.
She’s a putrid splange of pussilanimous splunge.
She stinks. Period.
By Robert
August 20, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
What does that tell you Van. Wackos on the left are preferred over wackos on the right. Once again. Wackos on the left are just a nuisance. Wackos on the right are a threat. And by the way Van, all the votes that you are going to lose in 08 that are residue from the, well, you know, issue hadn’t even come crashing down on the republican party full force in 06. You’re going to hate 08.
By Animal Control
August 20, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
When the republican party decided to lay down with dogs they couldn’t help but get fleas. I say put a massive dose of revolution on em in 08.
By sliver
August 20, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
Save America, Vote Obama! Save the AJC, Fire Wooten!
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Curious Observer,11:05
How about you rolling out of bed and remembering we are at war? You know how you like to say “I support the troops!”) The trouble is the difficulty in telling WHICH TROOPS you are supporting. OURS or the enemies?
Rock the Establishment aka Mallory aka PoFo aka Analchord aka Idiot @11:09
Nobody is going to bomb Iran.
That’s only a rumor by Demo man.
The sky is falling he does declare.
Fighting for freedom just aint fair.
Filling out his role of “running back”,
He won’t support the war in Iraq.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
I guess we fooled Dusty again.
Dusty, you are wrong about the aliases. There are analchord minions who assist without my asking.
We are legion. You are easily fooled.
Dusty you get one chance to unplug your piehole and explain. If you impress, then you’re in. One chance. Otherwise, you will always be unread, unloved and unrinsed.
Define, “Support the War in Iraq”.
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Mallory aka PoFo aka Jerks etc. etc. etc.@ 11:26,
Thanks!! An insult from you can only be considered a compliment. Merci beaucoup!!!
By Dustbuster
August 20, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
Dusty @11:45 - That was adorable.
By getalife
August 20, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
My goodmess, the wingnuts are getting bashed on a wingnut blog.
Nice work.
Carry on.
By deegee
August 20, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Sam Nunn has been actively involved over the last ten years in NTI (Nuclear Threat Initiative, he is active in the Concord Coalition and he is active in the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He wants to make a difference, and being president would be a waste of his talent and vision. He would be better suited as the next Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense. He could make a difference there. What president wouldn’t want Sam Numm in their cabinet?
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 20, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 10:52 A.M.
Sorry, Dusty, but we are NOT at war with terrorism!!!
We are at war with Islamist fanatics, who USE terrorism as their major strategy and tactic.
What we should have done after 911 is to have mobilized the nation. The Congress should have issued a “declaration of war” against the entity of Al-Qaeda. The military should have been beefed up, and we should have finished the job in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. An American viceroy (similar to General MacArthur in Japan after W.W. II) should have been appointed and we should have re-educated the Iraq and Afghans.
The problem was we had a lost in Alabama during Vietnam veteran in charge. And while he was p*ss poor, God help us if Al Gore or John Kerry had been in the Oval Office.
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Mallory aka Fool@11:58.
I would love to stay and exchange “pleasantries” with you but putting up with a fool is a waste of time.
Besides that, since you were raised in a barnyard your vocabulary of dirty words is much more extensive than mine. I don’t use the few I know as it is considered pure ignorance to do so.
Try a few jokes for a change. Do you know any Sam Nunn “funnies”? That ‘s the subject de jour.
I’ll be gone for awhile. Maybe. Maybe not.
By jm
August 20, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
mid-south philosopher - viceroys have been tried in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan (one of the chaps involved was a fellow named Winston Churchill). Did not work then, wouldn’t work now.
By harold
August 20, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
perot didnt bring us clinton. perot brought us george w bush!
republicans lost to clinton, they perceived perot’s platform as contributing to their defeat, so republicans said “we’d better change.”
their change got them two persidential terms affer clinton, but obviously the change was not for good, and this is why wooten really doesnt like 3rd parties: perot ushered in george w bush, denise of the republicans party
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 20, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
jm@12:35
You are probably right. The middle eastern mind and psyche totally different from the western or the oriental.
Still, I think there must have been a more productive way to have dealt with this morass. Also, much as it pains me to agree with Dusty, I don’t think many Americans really realize that we are engaged in a war. And those that do really don’t understand who it is against!
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Oh Dusting, you have hurt me deeply. I wrote a song about it.. wanna hear it?
(As song to the chorus of Hank Williams’ All My Rowdy Friends)
All my rowdy coalition friends have settled down
Nobody wants to get drunk and get loud; bomb a few towns and be proud; everybody just wants to go back home; and leave the poor US all alone;
Bush himself have seen some wilder days and have seen his name at the top of the page; unfortunately they couldn’t find him for duty in his National Guard Days;
But we need to find a friend just to run around, pretend to scare some ‘Queada and bomb some towns;
But nobody wants to get high on the town; And all my rowdy coalition friends have settled down.
And Bush thinks he now knows what his father meant when he said,”Iraq can not be won”; but now it’s too late; he’s just proved that the father was smarter than the son.
And ol’ Colin Powell; I’m glad to see is finally telling it straight;
And Cheney’s stayin’ home and lovin’ Mary more these days
And nobody wants to get drunk and get loud; And all my rowdy coalition friends have settled down
By BS Aplenty
August 20, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
Sam Nunn would have to be fully vetted before I’d consider him in the presidential race. His prior politics indicate a moderate (social policy) to conservative (defense) platform and that’s a good base. But he would have to come up with a unique reason to run - other than he just wants to be president.
Unfortunately, I see this type of independent testing the waters principally because none of the current Republican candidates appear to have the “carry” to beat the unique (woman/black) ticket that the Dems will likely post for this race.
By Van
August 20, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
Robert,
The left wing Soros funded blogs got a bunch of wackos elected in ‘06. How will Soros decide who will win in ‘08? Since the fruitcake bloggers seem to have power over Nancy Pelosi and her pirate band, If Hillary gets into the White House, who will watch over Bill this time? She couldn’t last time.
Not that long ago, the Democrats were an honorable party. They were not afraid to fight our enemies, now they whine if the Military is even mentioned.
If a Democrat gets elected, everyone that works, will be paying more in taxes. The good news is there will be fewer workers if that happens. I guess the liberals graduating with their liberal arts degrees will find it hard to get a job, even flipping burgers. As old as I am, I have seen it time and time again. The Left never learns.
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
To support this war, sonny boy, we’ll be paying more in taxes regardless of who wins in ‘08. Duh!!
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
And now for some more “I’m A War President” Toons… (As song to the rhythmn of “I like to move it move it”)
Bush Likes To Bomb It Bomb IT!
Bush likes to bomb it, bomb it Ya like to (“Bomb it”)
He likes to BOMB IT!!! Ya like to (“Bomb it”)
All countries all over the world, original Mad Stuntman drunkman on ya case man!;
He love how all countries a move them body; when they see him bombs; he likes to see all them countries run for their bombs; yeah;
Russia, no more peace no; Bush gonna make em move; Iran, no more talk no, Bush gonna make em move, don’t worry North Korea Bush scared of you; but others they run cause…
Bush likes to bomb it, bomb it; Bush likes to bomb it, bomb it; Bush likes to bomb it, bomb it….
Bush likes to BOMB IT!!!
By Holy Batman !
August 20, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Pebble the Rock-head, Mike Lick-o-vick called and said you could post on his blog again - they lifted the “no retards” ban.
By van's a nose picker
August 20, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
“The left wing Soros funded blogs got a bunch of wackos elected in ‘06. How will Soros decide who will win in ‘08? Since the fruitcake bloggers seem to have power over Nancy Pelosi and her pirate band, If Hillary gets into the White House, who will watch over Bill this time? She couldn’t last time.”
Wow, that really hits ‘em where it hurts!
By getalife
August 20, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
Yeehaw, the Iranians have engaged with the Kurds.
Let’s crank up that draft and get this WWIII started.
Right wingnuts? Go w.
Geez.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
My friend Dusty’s fervent sloganeering today is insightful, well reasoned and intellectually unassailable. We are indeed at war and any words typed here by leftist moonbats that are not in support of that effort, our gallant troops and our commander in chief, the architect of this brilliant Iraq strategy amounts to treason.
By getalife
August 20, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
Yahooo Joe:
“Lieberman Shrugs Off Failed Iraq Predictions, Now Claims ‘Road To Victory’ Goes Through Syria”
Woohoo.
Geez.
By Curious Observer
August 20, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
The ever-brave, ever-patriotic jbmlaw has shamed me into joining Dusty’s Dominions, for we are at war. I need a fashionable camo outfit and a double-compartmentalized canteen to hold my caffe latte and cappuccino. I would be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction to acquire these necessities. In addition, I need a part-time volunteer job with an organization that cheers the real slobs—I mean, troops—on as they depart to fight this war. Nothing inconvenient, mind you. I wouldn’t want to miss my spontaneous trips to Pensacola or other vacation spots.
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Yes, Mid South Philosopher,
You identify the combatants while I identify the philosophy. Whatever..we both know that their cry is “Kill the infidels!” Right now, that is us.
Americans were ready to fight after 9/11 but the sacrifices soon reached them. Bush had warned of such fatigue.
It seems to me you do not recognize the military experience of Rumsfeld and belittle the President’s National Guard flight experience. Every war has not gone well at all times. We lost battleships, aircraft carriers and endured sneak attacks in WWII but nobody said it was because FDR had no military experience. It was because the enemy was fighting against us.
Now, it is not the new terroristic warfare, suicide bombers against civilians, or an non-uniformed or regulated enemy—OH NO—it is the President of the United to blame for any setback.
For some of that, I point a finger at Democrats. They turned hate for lost elections to hate against the President. They forgot the good of the country for politics. You cannot read this blog and others without recognizing that factor.
I am sad to say that I think the Democratic Party encourages such a feeling. It has usurped the idea of support for the war in Iraq and that includes the troops. I think it is unforgivable.
Afghanistan has a government of its own which is better than the USA running one. NATO is fighting intruders trying to reestablish themselves there.
I do not forget that we are fighting a war. I don’t think that you do either. I hope the spirit of Americanism will rise again in others before it is too late.
( I promise! No more speeches.)
By jm
August 20, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
van@1:08 - you mean wackos like Senator Webb of Virginia?
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
Awwww jbmlaw@ 1:39
You are sneering at my “sloganeering”??? Tch tch…
Then the sarcasm for dessert..”our Commander-in-chief, the architect of this brilliant Iraq stategy amounts to treason.” Come on. You sound like RedNeck Convert without conversion. What happened? I’ll blame it on the heat this time. Try to stay in the shade.
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
I tried to drive home last night and my navigation system said, “you cant get there from here.” Then I realized I was inside the locked fence of the police Impound lot.
How did it know?
By getalife
August 20, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
“Stephen Biddle, a member of a group that advised U.S. Gen. David Petraeus in Iraq last year, and a military analyst with the Council on Foreign Relations, told the Sunday Times that the British have lost control of Basra and that the inevitable withdrawal from that city will be “ugly”.
Biddle … said insurgents and militia groups were likely to target British soldiers with ambushes, roadside bombs and rocket-propelled grenades as they leave.
“It will be a hard withdrawal. They want the image of a British defeat,” Biddle told the paper. “It will be ugly and embarrassing.”
He says “insurgents are calling the shots” in Basra.”
Have you noticed the media has stopped Iraq coverage?
Geez.
By Southern Democrat
August 20, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Friends, I don’t think that was Jbmlaw @ 1:39.
By @@
August 20, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Jim, the only thing that I can recall about Sam Nunn is that he was a man of convictions. He spoke in opposition to his own party when he believed in what he was supporting. I always like that in my candidates.
I remember that in 2001, 2002 (?) he teamed up with Ted Turner on the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
Now THAT’s ^^^ reaching across the great divide. Ted Turner?
Nunn was pretty firm on national defense, but flexible on social issues. Actually some of his past support have been closely aligned with the conservative stance. He voted in favor of school prayer, capping punitive damage awards, amending the U.S. Constitution to require a balanced budget, opposed raising taxes to reduce the deficit and voted in favor of limiting death penalty appeals. Sounds like a conservative in all the right places.
I’m losing patience with all of the candidates toying with the idea of running. I’m not so sure their appeals aren’t intended for the parties rather than the voters.
They’re about to “miss the vote” with me. Give me a yes or no vote… quit asking me to float.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 2:13 I’m afraid we’ve both been victimized again by the persistent id thief. I remain in your corner.
By getalife
August 20, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
Vick accepted plea deal and will go to prison.
Good.
By Southern Democrat
August 20, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
See, I was right about the ID Thief. Ignore him and he’ll go away.
By Rule of Law
August 20, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
Dusty and Jbmlaw got punked. You 2 tag team tincture swabs are too easily duped.
what a couple of fall guys. What a couple of dopes.
bwa what a couple of maroons.
I love it.
By Rule of Law
August 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
Always glad to entertain, Rule of Law.
Sincerely, your humble id thief
By @@
August 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
Let me apologize to everyone here for getting our Multi-ID “dangling skinhead” fired up over the weekend.
How’s it going PoliFore? Couldn’t find a public restroom that would allow you access to publish?
They probably know you by reputation. Got tired of unclogging the toilets while you scribbled on the walls.
By Cool, a whole bunch of entries disappear
August 20, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Neato.
By Sweet Lorraine
August 20, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
I love the ID thief.
Getalife accepted the pee deal. Hey Getawipe, squirt, rinse, repeat.
bwa. what a total chin dauber that Getalife is.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon all, after a long distraction today. I am pleased to report that our identity thief believes confession is good for the soul. Neither 1:39 nor 2:22 was mine, although I don’t have a problem with the “theft” so long as there is timely confession thereafter. Our friend did the same one other day last week. Congratulations to both Southern and Dusty, who timely sensed a disturbance in the Force. I have not read all posts, but I sense only old folks like Southern and me have any real desire to see Sam back in the show. Correct? “Who he” indeed.
By @@
August 20, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
OR Sam Nunn?
Hooey.
By Your humble id thief
August 20, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Was that long disturbance another jumbo … well, you know.
By Your humble id thief
August 20, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Was that long distraction another jumbo … well, you know.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Advance notice, I expect to not be here at all tomorrow 8/21, Thursday 8/23, next Monday 8/27, or next Thursday 8/30. For those days I will lend my blog-handle to our friend PoFo.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
Dear Curious @ 1:50, on the assumption the Ensign survives his next month of special training, our new vacation spot is Norfolk, Virginia.
By Your humble id thief
August 20, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
I don’t know who PoFo is, but I’ll nick the id from him/her, too.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
Dear Thief @ 1:39, your effort to mirror my own lines was pretty good. Need a hyphen between “well” and “reasoned.” I normally do not use “gallant,” except in a context of certain doom, e.g., actions of a posthumous “medal of honor” recipient; for description of our troops I generally prefer “noble.” Stylistically, I would normally have “moonbat” between the word “treason” and any descriptor of our Chief Executive, to ensure proper separation. Otherwise, pretty sharp work, my compliments. You caught the sentiment pretty well.
By getalife
August 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
WTF Vick?
Geez.
By jbmlaw
August 20, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
Dear Thief @ 3:06, your loss. PoFo is pretty good, funniest mind on the blog.
By Sweet Lorraine
August 20, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Vick is the world’s first true triple threat. He can run, pass, and hump Getawipe’s leg. . . . . .
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bwa Get lost, Getawipe. you loser.
idiot! Fool! nincompoop!!!
By You're Sick
August 20, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Anyone who blogs over the weekend is in serious need of a life. What did all the losers do before blogging came along?
By political foreskin
August 20, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Oh, this is who you’re talking about. I didn’t get the shortened reference. Gotcha. Oh yeah, that guy’s a riot.
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
In Honor Of Dusting’s Speech, here, on this very blog, is a trimphant song of hope and power!!!
Scenario: Picture this — a group of 10 countries standing around holding hands in unity singing this song, (as song to We Are The Champions by Queen):
We Are The Coalition Of The Willing
We are the coalition of the willing — and we’ll keep on fighting as long as there is drilling, (for ooooiiilll);
We are the coalition, We are the coalition, No time for planning ‘cause we are the Coalition of the willllinnggg….
SECOND VERSE: The coalition has shrunk from ten nations down to six; but they are still holding hands and singing.
THIRD VERSE: The coalition has shrunk yet again, from six to 3, (with Britian leaving at the end of the year), but they are still holding hands and singing.
FOURTH VERSE: Alas, the coalition has shrunk to two, (US and Japan, although Japan can’t legally “fight” but they can send ships and they look really cute in their little sailor outfits).
BIG ENDING: The US holding Japan’s hand in a death grip, singing the song of triumphant!!
We are the coalition of the willing — and we’ll keep on fighting as long as there is drilling, (for ooooiiilll);
We are the coalition, We are the coalition, No time for planning ‘cause we are the Coalition of the willllinnggg….
FADE TO BLACK
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
What did all the losers do before blogging came along? They voted republican. Duh.
By @@
August 20, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Maybe I should give my itinerary as well. August 21st through the 28th I will be out of town and without access to a computer. I will not be posting here or at Luckovich’s.
I only mention this because PoliFore has stolen, not *asked to borrow my name on numerous occasions.
Whatta clown, that PoliFore.
By Southern Democrat
August 20, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
I am curious what Dusty thinks of this Op-Ed by American NCOs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?em&ex=1187755200&en=d7c043df97c7aa3e&ei=5087%0A
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
I think they should support our troops and our President. This is A WAR.
By Rock the Establishment
August 20, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
I won’t be here either. I will however leave a song just for you guys to remember me by.
To the beat of We will Rock you! Here’s my version…
Dubby you’re a boy make a big noise; Playin’ in the street gonna be a big man some day; You got mud on yo’ face; You big disgrace; Kickin’ your can all over the place.
We will we will Irock you We will we will Irock you
Dubya you’re a young man hard man; Shoutin’ in the street gonna take on the world some day; You got blood on yo’ face; You big disgrace; can’t find you for guard duty any place!
Dubya you’re an old man poor man; Pleadin’ with your eyes gonna make you some more war some day;
You got mud on your face; You big disgrace; Somebody better put you back in your place;
Singing —
We will we will Irock you; We will we will Irock you
Repeat Chorus!!
Thank you everyone; Thanks to all my many fans; jbmpimplaw, dusting, @@’s; titfortat; etc. please remember that I do this for you, my fans!!!
REMEMBER: We’re fighting them over there because that’s where we started the invasion!!! Good night everyone!!!
By Dusty
August 20, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
My internet connections have been out since 3:00 and I’m just back on line.
jbmlaw—I apologize for doubting you.
Southern Democrat—I have not read your link from 4:45. Maybe later.
@@-We will miss you.
Rock—anti-war clowns are never funny.
I close for the day. See you tomorrow if my internet connection stays together.
By @@
August 20, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Rock the Establishment a/k/a PoliFore @ 4:51:
@@’s titfortat, etc?
The Prisoner’s Dilemma.
Both individuals will cheat and both will end up relatively badly-off. But if the prisoner’s dilemma is repeated a number of times, then it may be advantageous to co-operate on the early moves and cheat only towards the end of the game.
Interesting PoliFore, so are you telling us your game is over since you’ve spent the better part of today cheating both here and at Luckovich’s?
We can only dream…
By GodHatesTrash
August 20, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
I remember the good ol’ days of the internet, when trailer trash like Dusty wasn’t even connected, not even for a minute.
The internet was doomed when mobile home parks came online.
Trash.
By jm
August 20, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
Dusty, are you feeling ok? You sound a little more shrill than usual today.
By bryan dorsey
August 29, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
I have never favored third party candidates because even TR, who had previously been elected president as a Republican lost when he ran on a third-party ticket. However, I will support and encourage Sam Nunn to run because neither Republican or Democratic Party can effectively address the most significant issues like budget and trade deficits, energy, defense, and immigration because of their own internal politics. Nunn was not popular with the Republican Party because he was too “liberal” and not popular with the Democractic Party because he was too “conservative.” Most Americans (myself included) are moderates. They do not like right wing religious or capitalists zealots or left wing atheists or socialists. Yet those are the ideological forces which have been driving the two major parties for the last 30 years.