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DEL.ICIO.USBlock cronyism and pension double-dipping
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
At the age of 58, Fulton County Superior Court Clerk Juanita Hicks retired with a pension payout equal to 88 percent of her annual salary of $143,372. At the behest of her hand-picked successor, she promptly returned to work as a $55-per-hour consultant.
This is an incredibly stupid system — gamed, mined and exploited relentlessly by well-connected public employees. It’s stupid in design, stupid in operation.
That the governor and the General Assembly allow to go on should outrage every working stiff in Georgia.
One outrage is that Hicks and most, if not all, of the other Superior Court clerks in Georgia, as well as sheriffs and other public officials, are allowed to double-dip daily, to count every day on the job for credit in at least two publicly financed pension systems.
Taxpayers directly provide one, with a generous benefit formula that gives Hicks an annual payout of $105,588 per year. And they indirectly provide another. Fees of $1.75 each from fines, $1 from every civil case, and 50-cents from every real-estate filing are collected and paid into a separate retirement fund for the clerk and deputy.
That’s a kitty, separate and distinct from the county employees retirement fund, that provides a minimum of $1,700 per month to clerks who have 12 years of service and have reached the age of 55.
The first outrage, then, is that Georgia allows double-dipping — and, furthermore, legislatures have for decades been compliant in continuing the abuse. There’s an in-the-shadows system in play for the Superior Court Clerks’ Retirement Fund of Georgia and for similar special-beneficiary funds that keeps them ever from rising to the public’s radar.
The system is to raise fees until the pot builds up and then to get legislative agreement to raise payouts because doing so will require no new or higher fees. The Legislature compliantly nods and rubber-stamps the hike. It’s a never-ending, never-examined cycle.
The key reason is that beneficiaries such as Superior Court clerks are politicians with their own voting blocs. Easier to pay them off with double-dipping pension systems than to take them on and risk their ire. So nobody does.
The Legislature needs to reform the system by closing the single-beneficiary pension systems where those on the public payroll are eligible for inclusion in broader public retirement systems. Close them all to new clerks and phase them out. It’s absurd for taxpayers to fund two or more pension plans for the same day of work.
The second and easier legislative fix prompted by the Hicks revelations is to end the practice of allowing Superior Court clerks to appoint their successors. It’s a system that invites cronyism and the kind of sweetheart transaction evident in the appointment of Hicks to the $55-per-hour job. As reported by the AJC’s Steve Visser, the job “has no written goals or deadlines and has delivered no tangible work product in six months of employment.” Hicks’ time sheet show her working from mid-afternoon or early evening to midnight or later.
Under existing law, in any county with a chief deputy clerk’s position, that person “shall succeed the clerk of the superior court if a vacancy occurs” and serve until Jan. 1 following the next general election. The incumbent, is thus allowed to appoint a successor, an absurd arrangement that opens the door to corrupt agreements.
In counties without that position, the probate judge calls a special election to fill the vacancy.
Since Fulton has the chief deputy clerk position, Hicks gave the job to Cathelene “Tina” Robinson, who in turn brought Hicks back onto the payroll. While the General Assembly is fixing what’s broken, it should too outlaw the practice of expending public money to hire back retired elected officials. To afford Hicks’ hourly charges, Robinson kept two clerk slots vacant. The county signed off on the deal because the superior court clerk is an elected position.
On a larger scale, the state really does need to move out of the defined benefit pension business, which invites the Legislature to create special deals for individuals and interest groups. Give employes retirement money up front, in the form of 401(k)s for example, so there’s no temptation to come back and game the system for unearned and undeserved benefits. Meanwhile, fix the systems Hicks and Robinson reveal to be broken.
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By Redneck Convert
August 18, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
Well, me and the missus got fancy last night and decided to go to Locos for supper down in Alpharetta. When we got there and set down at the table we saw a piece of paper that said, bring your church program and get 2 for 1 hot wings at Locos.
What a great idea I thought. The mgr. knows when us rednecks get out of church we are mighty thirsty and hungry. I know I do after listening to the Rev. Postlewaite. He’s big on listing all the sins but not the sinners, the way the Rev. Jim Bob Buice done. The Rev. Jim Bob would come right out and tell us not to vote for libruls and Those People and when to come to the church and march off to the polls. The Rev. Postlewaite just talks about how bad welfare and big guvmint is but he don’t say nothing about the people that’s for it.
I got to thinking while I was eating. I sure want to be in the bleachers when Jesus sentences all the libruls to hell on judgment day. I want to see people like getalife and JK and that Curious Observer guy drug up before him and then hauled off to the flames. They will burn and burn, only they won’t really burn because then hell wouldn’t be eternal so they will just keep getting singed. And I’ll be there watching and clapping.
Anyway, you won’t find good GA conservatives in favor of unChristian things like feeding the hungry for free and giving them shelter and doctoring them when they are sick and such. I know we ain’t stepping into them flames. I’m just thankful we got God on our side.
I can’t wait till the Rev. Jim Bob gets parole and comes back. He never should of been in prison. All he done was take his clothes off so they wouldn’t get dirty when he crawled into them bushes to rescue that nekkid boy. And just then the cops come along and wouldn’t you know it they come to the wrong concluson. We will fire the Rev. Postlewait lickety-split and put the Rev. Jim Bob back in the pulpit.
Wooten is kind of boring today. What does he expect when Those People are allowed to take public office? They just rob us the way the hippy-hop people do tourists downtown. Anyway, its a pretty good racket to be able to step down from your job and appoint the person that’s going to take it and get that person to pay you $55 an hour while you are drawing a couple fat guvmint pensions. I done some ciphering and figured up that this Hicks woman is making more in one day than I do in a week. It ain’t Right. It ain’t Conservative! If we rip the public off we do it all legal-like. Except maybe this Cunningham and Ney and people like that when they get a little too greedy.
Anyway, we need to treat guvmint workers the way we done school teachers back in the good old days. Make them work for almost nothing and give them pitiful pensions when they get old and keep track of what they do in the time they are off and such. When us godly conservatives take over we’ll put a stop to all this stuff.
Anyway, I got to finish my beer run today and get some sleep tonight so I’ll be ready for church Sunday. I want to stay on the Right side with the Lord so I can be in them bleachers when the libruls and commies get their’s.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
“Juanita Hicks.” Hey Redneck Convert, flaming lib, don’t you find that name kinda contradictory? It’s a good thing those Alpharetta YTs (y - t, y-t, WHITIE) are stupid enough to continue to get tax raped for BS like that, no? You would be great at writing children’s books.
By Lee
August 18, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
Seems to me I’ve read similar sweetheart for the past twenty years. Nice to see our legislature is on the ball.
BTW, they have no incentive to fix the retirement loopholes because they are getting retirement benefits for a part time job.
Go to WallyWorld and see if they give benefits to part timers.
I thought so.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
What’s all the fuss over how much Hicks and her colleagues make anyway? Those numbers are what liberals call “a living wage” in the private sector. That’s a democrat’s wet dream.
Let’s let Hillary bring Mattel back from China in 2010. Then let’s pay each union toy assembler and painter (with environmentally friendly paint of course) $55/hr. Then let’s watch parents pony up $5,000 for a Christmas that used to cost them $500. Oh, and that’s if no strike happened and your precious one had no Christmas presents from Santa because people were b_itching about their free lunches being too spicy.
Let’s then also watch The Hill bring Nike back from China in 2012. Then let’s watch people whine when shoes that used to cost $50 at Kohl’s are priced at $400.
The good old days indeed.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
There’s a strong Cat4 hurricane barreling down on Jamaica. Now how long before people blame Bush (and the global warming that he and those who voted for him caused) for being racist? Gore is right. It’s global warming. We never had hurricanes until Bush came into office. Camille, Andrew, and Opal were characters in a children’s book.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Speaking of Dean, NASA may bring the shuttle back early. We’ll see if one of those “environmentally friendly” tiles holds up with a 3” gouge in it. What’s the point of having “environmentally friendly” shuttle tiles anyway? Is that so if the shuttle explodes on blast off the Atlantic dolphins won’t choke on the debris? If the NASA pc crowd is worried about re-entry, surely they know by now that if it falls apart on re-entry at 17,000 mph, there really won’t be anything left.
By Ray
August 18, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
Being that Republican George Bush don’t have the mental faculties needed to make water swirl in a toilet, I too am gonna find it hard to blame him for a hurricane.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
“Being that Republican George Bush don’t [sic] have the mental faculties needed to make water swirl in a toilet,”
Then Ray, I am to assume you Bush Derangement Syndrome a_ss clowns on the left will finally say that Bush was too stupid to steal two elections and won them fairly.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Yes, RedNeck, 9:07
How’s it going up there in Forsyth county in your nice little mansion on the golf course with a view of the lake? Yeah, I know. A trailer.
Ok and don’t worry about any reverends coming your way. Your church, probably Episcopalian, will take care of that and let you liberals do what you want as long as you come to church dressed suitably and bountifully.
I do hope the stock market made you feel a little better yesterday and your Lexus beer truck driving was safe. And don’t worry too much about pensions and such. Those Lexus beer tuck drivers really seem to make it good.
By the way, why did you name your son William T. Sherman Redneck and your daughter Jane LaFonda Redneck?
By getalife
August 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
Nice scam and making good money for a court clerk, like the company who sent two washers to Iraq and charged over 1 million.
Then there is Haliburton that cheney knew Iraq would be a disaster but his company and big oil are worth 4000 Americans lives in his sick mind.
There is a bigger hurricane brewing in Russia with their war games with China.
They sent a message to dick, go ahead and bomb Iran. Idiot.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
“There is a bigger hurricane brewing in Russia with their war games with China. They sent a message to dick, go ahead and bomb Iran. Idiot.”
Oh goodie. Maybe we can then put those shiny new Marietta manufactured F/A-22 Raptors to good use up against all those MiGs. Twenty to one kill ratios. I love unfair fights.
Always root for America’s enemy, right Getalife?
By getalife
August 18, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
No idiot.
I will not cheer on WWIII and that is what you get when you want to bomb Iran.
Dumba-ss.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
“I will not cheer on WWIII”
OH it’s going to happen Getalife. Sooner or later. Nice to know which side you are on.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
getalife 10:29
I don’t know about Russia sending messages to Cheney but I am sure you are getting a lot of “messages” from a far far place in space.
Oh,by the way, the washers on my garden hose are leaking a bit. Would you check that out? It HAS to be either Cheney, Bush or Haliburton.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
Of course if WWIII were to come out of that situation you can count on Woohooten and all the other chickenhawks to be on the sidelines cheering it on.
By Otter
August 18, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Christian bigots against the Episcopalians?! How cool.
What are these Anglicans problem? Are they even worse than Methodists? Are they not fundamental? Do they use bubble gum to take from the collection plate?
But you can’t hold one church goer responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the entire Episcopal church? And if the entire Episcopal church is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our religious institutions in general? I put it to you - isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to RC, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! [Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
By getalife
August 18, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
Redneck,
I cut a deal with him to bash the wingnuts and we will watch them burn for using religion to kill.
Nice post.
By jm
August 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
woohooten - how much are you willing to pay for a gallon of gas? bomb Iran, and figure on five bucks a gallon, minimum.
Regarding Mr. Wooten’s column. One of the ways the public sector was able to hire and keep good qualified candidates (and some not so good or qualified) despite lower salaries was the promise of good benefits, including a pension. If you want to eliminate pensions, better be prepared to pay hire wages. For a contemporary example, look at Tony Snow. He is leaving his post because it does not pay enough.
On that note, you all should get out and enjoy the great weather we are having (even if it is just to do yard work, like me).
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
First, China will nuke our economy. Then they will blast all our satellites. Then they will invade us with Russia.
Will you fight the occupiers like the Iraqis?
Instead of being scared to death of a few Muslim extremists, you should be scared of WWIII.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
“woohooten - how much are you willing to pay for a gallon of gas?”
jm the genius, I was just making a ridiculous comment to mirror that of Getalife. Funny how you candya_sses on the left get so riled up about war talk. You pathetic cretins hate your fellow Americans than you do the enemies of America. I never see you idiots demean Iran, North Korea, or radical islam. No, it’s only “evil” Christian Conservatives. You are all pathetic.
By @@
August 18, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
Getalife:
You’re playing right into Putin’s hands with your hysteria over the their war games.
I appreciated the fact that you brought up the SCO. I did a lot of reading online after you mentioned it. It doesn’t warrant the attention you’re giving it.
China isn’t on board with Russia. They have too many competing interests which will never allow them to develop a close working relationship.
Putin is all pishy because many of his border states are adopting the western philosophy. He feels defeated and threatened militarily, so what does he do? He puffs himself up like a toady frog in some war games with China.
The funniest part about the SCO meeting was Ahmadenijad. Putin is using him as a threat against the U.S. saying that he (Putin) can keep him (Ahmadenijad) out of the SCO if the U.S. will concede to Russia’s demands.
All of this is being done for the psychological impact, so you need to “pump up” your brain for the battle.
As to your column Jim. There has been abuse by teachers double-dipping because of a loophole in the GPO. Work one day as a janitor within the education system, and you can draw years of social security benefits even though you opted to invest in the TRS and weren’t required to contribute to SS.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Getalife has read one too many Tom Clancy novels.
By catlady
August 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
Hey, as a teacher, I’d like to have a separate pension based on student-hours taught. Let’s see, 34 years times an average of 30 students an hour times 6 hours a day times 180 days a year equals a whole lotta extra money beyond my “generous” TRS pension. Plus extra for special ed kids and parent meetings after work.
One thing I find hard to understand: I make the max a teacher (without coaching or administrative duties) can make in Georgia, and I have been doing it quite a bit longer than Ms. Hicks, yet my “generous” state pension will amount to less than $50,000 per year. I also have a PhD. (Admittedly I am only paid for 190 days of work per year. However, I also have only 11 days of sick leave, no comp time or paid vacation). I guess Ms. Hicks must’ve worked a WHOLE lot harder than I have!
The legislature has no interest in looking at situations like Ms. Hicks because of their own sweetheart deals they anticipate when they “retire”.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
jm,
I doubt Snow is leaving for lack of money.
Woowee,
I prefer peace but chicken hawks like you are a cheerleader who will never fight.
You are a spineless coward.
Prove me wrong and enlist.
By TW
August 18, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Getalife – you must understand that chickenhawks like Boowoohooten have been picked on for most of cowardly lives…really can’t fault them for their vicarious tough-guy play.
By Ditzty Malloy
August 18, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
As a real Christian (evangelical, Baptist, born-again combo,) I like to keep a bottom five ranking of the Christian religions most likely going to hell.
FIVE. Mormons, they were second on the list but then came along Mitt Romney.
FOUR. Illegal Catholics. Or illegal aliens or whatever they call themselves.
THREE. Real Catholics. The Pope is against the Iraq war.
TWO. All the black churches except the Mega ones.
ONE. Episcopals. First the gays, now the African Primates. No maybe here. They might as well get rid of the air-conditioning so they can get used to their surroundings.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
“Woowee, I prefer peace but chicken hawks like you are a cheerleader who will never fight.”
I prefer peace too. Too bad radical islam does not. Your foolishness over China and Russia shows how easily duped you are. But then again, you are a liberal.
“You are a spineless coward.”
Nah, I’m just not crazy. But I know what I’m capable of doing, and that’s killing another man for my defense or the defense of my nation. Talk like that upsets you candya_ssed liberals, doesn’t it Getalife? BTW, I’m past age for enlistment. Oh yeah, and like your wonderboy Bill Clinton, I chose college over military.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Johnboy Breck Girl Edwards: Ann Coulter is a ‘she devil.’ Are these demokooks running against Republicans or Rush & Ann? Hilarious.
By jm
August 18, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
woohooten - better a candy a* than a CHICKEN hawk. That is a lovely shade of yellow you have.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
@@,
Like Iraq, you are dead wrong on China and Russia.
Their war games were aimed at sending a message to not bomb Iran. They are both heavily invested in Iran and need their oil. They are Iran’s allies.
China has used our greed to invest heavily in their military.
I suggest you keep reading on China and Russia because they are the real threat.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
One of Getalife’s friends finally gets convicted. Terrorism is a bumper sticker. Listen to Getalife and don’t worry about it. Build an underground bomb shelter and start stocking up on canned goods. NOW. The Russians and the Chinese are coming.
By jm
August 18, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
getalife - actually, money was the reason Tony Snow gave for leaving. He took a big pay cut to work for the government and realized the $160K a year he was making in his new job was not enough.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
Just like I said woowee, you are a coward.
Tell us your pathetic excuse for not enlisting.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
“woohooten - better a candy a* than a CHICKEN hawk.”
Run and hide jm the genius, the Russians and Chinese are coming for you. Do you own any guns? Like a typical scared pansy liberal, you probably don’t. I’ll bet you’d convert to Islam if forced at gunpoint. Coward.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
jm,
He lies well. I do not buy anything he says.
I think it is his health and hope he would want to spend the rest of his time with his family instead of lying for w.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
I’ll bet you’d convert to Islam if forced at gunpoint.
Talk about cowards.
How pathetic, scared of a few bad radicals.
What is your lame excuse for not enlisting coward?
By jm
August 18, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
actually, woohooten, I do own a gun (old .22 rifle) but it has not been fired in so long it is probably more useful as a club but have been looking for a decent shotgun (I am also a lousy shot). As for radical islamists like the saudi’s that W the incompetent just sold a bunch of high tech weapons to. I seem to recall that it was mostly saudis who were involved in 9/11 and that the only iraqis were the ones in W and Cheney’s imagination.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
woowee is a hoot who talks tough but can’t back it up.
Sounds like macaca.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
“scared of a few bad radicals.”
Funny how they can take down two of the tallest buildings in the world though, isn’t it Getalife? Or are you one of those kooks that believes Bush and the Jews were behind that?
“He lies well.”
Gimmie one, Getalife. I have no respect for you, so I really could care less what you think.
“What is your lame excuse for not enlisting coward?”
Juvenile liberal, that argument is childish and old. I am past age, but would do whatever I could if called upon. I’ve still got plenty of sharpshooting skill left in me.
What are you going to do when the Chinese knock on your door Getalife? Kook.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
What are you going to do when the Chinese knock on your door Getalife?
I have a large arsenal, so while you are hiding under your bed coward, I will fight.
Grow a freaking spine loser.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
Nope, there is no liberal bias in the mainstream media. All that cheering in newsrooms and print rooms when Rove announced his resignation was just a figment of the imagination. From Bush Derangement Syndrome to Rove Derangement Syndrome, those wonderful idiots on the left in the media just can’t help themselves sometimes. Oh well, the Seattle Times is like the AJC: a third rate rag run by a bunch of deranged liberals.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
I cheered too.
Rove is a cut and run coward like you.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
“Top Commerce and Treasury Departments officials appeared with Republican candidates and doled out millions in federal money in battleground congressional districts and states after receiving White House political briefings detailing GOP election strategy.”
Just another waste of our money and Jim whining about a clerk.
Geez.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
“Listening to Jimmy Cramer yell and scream on CNBC about how “there is so much pain out there,” he was not referring to underpaid American troops, or homeless American poor, but the banks, hedge funds and private equity deal-makers whose hundreds of millions of dollars have been reduced to hundreds of millions of dollars.”
Cramer is not a very good corporate wh-ore.
Ben came to the resue and bailed them out.
More wasted money.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
“I have a large arsenal, so while you are hiding under your bed coward, I will fight.”
Oh goodie. So do I. I assume you would be shooting at the Chinese and Russians and not Conservatives. Or maybe the Cubans and the Iranians. Or perhaps the Venezuelans and the North Koreans. I agree with you. Screw terrorism by radical Islam. They’ll leave us alone if we leave them alone. 9/11 was not real. Those manufactured islamic terrorist “catches” were a government ploy to inflate a non-threat.
[sarcasm off]
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Coward,
They are not coming to force their religion on you.
Are you Melanie Morgan?
Geez.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Think Progress, that bastion of deranged liberalism, can’t even let poor Laura Bush off the hook with Derangement Syndrome. Now they are saying Laura lied when she said in 2005 that Jenna’s relationship in Hager wasn’t “serious” at the time and now she’s engaged. I am assuming that in the mindset of those mindless liberal troll lemmings, two years is not enough time to warrant an engagement. Therefore, the First Lady lied. Stupid liberal children. What the hell is wrong with liberals? The Derangement Syndrome is really getting hilariously over the top.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
The terrorists understand. They read the blogs. They have satellite television. They know.
The American “warriors” are at home supporting the war with their keyboards, hiding under their beds.
They know the “warriors” at home have abandoned their leader George W. Bush and are now hiding under their beds.
They know that if 1 percent of them were willing to fight in the war they love so much it would be over. Quick. They would lose. They would be crushed.
The terrorists know all about the new American neo-patriot.
You chickenhawks have given strength to the enemy.
Hey Woohooten, its time. Its time for YOU to support the war you love. Its time for you to support the president you love. Your country needs people like you. Its time.
ENLIST
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
The Liberal Derangement Syndrome is really getting hilariously over the top.
I agree, you should really see a doctor because you are unhinged with your hatred of liberals.
Pssst, the liberals want to change the con’s destruction of our country.
They do not want to bomb Iran to start WWIII.
That is your side idiot. Seek help, seek meds.
Geez.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
Save your favorite web link, the ONLY one you use here, for someone else, Getalife. Deranged mental case.
Anyway, it appears CNN has done a poll and proudly shows that 53% of people would not trust the General’s report about the Iraq surge next month.
Now, what those liberals at CNN won’t tell you is that the polling company is a staunch Hillary supporter. Gee, do you think any of those questioned were loaded? Do you think they gave a fair and balanced cross sectional perspective around America? Sure. Yeah. Right.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
Hey stupid,
Read this
Fool me once……….
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
I agree, you should really see a doctor because you are unhinged with your hatred of liberals.
Show me where I said I hate liberals, Wasted Life. You can’t. You LIE like a typical liberal. You inject your own opinions as fact that are representative of someone else. Typical mentality of say a LIE loud enough and often enough. I have no respect for you liberals. You people are insignificant in my life. To quote one of my bosses: “I have no use for liberals.” That doesn’t mean I hate you people.
But and you just have nothing but love for Conservatives, don’t you Wasted Life? Typical liberal hypocrite. I am way past over you people. Kook.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
Right back at you, Wasted Life. For every story, there’s a counter story. Kook.
By Redneck Convert
August 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
Well, I might of knowed Sister Dusty would roll out of bed with her claws out and hissing and making it look like I live in a mansion and drive a Lexus beer truck. She’s always been mean down at the Church of Holiness and I don’t expect anything diffrent when she’s gone from there.
Sounds like everybody is loaded for bear and ready to blast away when the terrists and commies knock at their door. I just hope the guvmint don’t outlaw guns. When they outlaw guns only terrists and commies will have guns.
They made a big mistake when they didn’t hop on my idea of letting everybody carry guns in their truck and use the toll booths on GA 400 as ammo stations. One day we’ll be mighty sorry when the Chinese and Russians come marching up the interstate and we’re out of ammo and all we got is a rusty old 22 to bash them with. We won’t even be able to defend ourselfs against the Iraq people that will follow us home when we leave there and start bothering our women and thumbing their nose at us and picking us off one by one.
I guess the only way we are going to be able to make it is start a war with Iran. We’re kind of winding down in Iraq, so instead of leaving there and let the terrists follow us home we just need to make a right turn right into Iran and sort of head the terrists off. They won’t have too far to travel and neither will we. Me, I’m awful glad we got My President and Mr. Cheney in the White House instead of them Democrat wimps that would start talking to Iran instead of just blasting away. A few A-bombs and them towel-heads will be ready to see things our way.
Well, lunch break is about over. The chicken weenies was mighty tasty. Be sure to go to church tomorrow. We need plenty of prayer and lots of bombs.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
President Bush should really think this out. I know we’re talking about Bush. But just for once can we dream? Think Bush, think.
Would invading Iran really be a wise idea? Look what happened in Iraq. Millions of people claimed to support the war, but where are they? They are all staying the hell away from the war.
And the Media. The President has been abandoned by the conservative media. When was the last time anyone read anything by Jim Wooten that encourages young Republicans to enlist? Fight for their country.
Where is the Republican Party? They should be actively encouraging their own to enlist, serve their country. The Georgia Young Republican website says nothing about serving in the military.
If I were Bush I would be totally outraged that so many of his supporters won’t back him up.
Where is the outrage Jim?
War lovers, who the hell do you expect to do all your killing?
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
I Earned My Purple Heart This Week
This guy is not a chicken hawk coward like woot the hoot.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
getalife, 12:27
You are amazing. You talk about someone being unhinged when you sound like something out of a comic cartoon scare production.
Are you really that afraid? Did YOU ever serve in the military? Why aren’t you supporting the troops NOW? Why do you keep playing the part of loony liberal loser?
And your buddy, Corky Cobb, thinks conservatives are “hiding under their beds”?
You liberals seem to have one mindset. The bigger the lie the better.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
crusty the clown is cartoon character.
D’oh.
Geez.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Hey Corked Cobb, it’s time for YOU to go save the starving children around the world. It’s time for YOU to feed, clothe, and support the poor children in this nation. It’s time for YOU to completely stop your life, give up everything, and get out there and DO IT for what you believe in. Now get out there and FIGHT the war on poverty. It’s time for YOU to help stop global warming by completely having a ZERO carbon foot print. Your liberal causes NEED you. IT’S TIME.
Stupid deranged hypocrite liberals.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
Corky Cobb,12:42
You are asking all the wrong questions. You should ask WHY AREN’T LIBERALS SUPPORTING THE COUNTRY WHEN WE ARE AT WAR WITH TERRORISM?
You don’t know the political leanings of our volunteer military anymore than I do. But I do know they are over there fighting and the majority of them support the President’s policies.
Since Conservatives support this country’s efforts in the war in Iraq, that leaves liberals standing in the corner sucking their thumbs and hollering “the sky is falling”.
I know of no one but a few liberal “nuts” on this blog wanting to go to war with Iran. You are simply putting out the usual political propaganda to make our country and President Bush look bad. It won’t work. It is liberals who look like cowardly runners, not conservatives.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
Priceless. Global warming bots have been duped again. A Convenient Lie: hurricanes are caused by global warming; no hurricanes are caused by global warming.” LMAO.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Since Conservatives support this country’s efforts in the war
Wag the the dog bs.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Gore won loser.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Another cut-n-runner from the Cult Church of Gore Global Warming.
“Gore’s entire movie is suffused with a feeling of dread, that we should feel guilty..”
Nah, that’s just good old fashioned liberalism. Who the hell has ever seen a happy and content liberal? They are born miserable. Psychopaths.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Gore won that debate loser.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Woohooten, stop stealing Markus’s lines.
I have not once advocated for any of those issues.
I have NEVER told another to build a house for the poor while sitting on my azz, then have the nerve to call anyone not helping lazy. Never!
“Stopping your life to defend freedom” is something this nation has a long history of. If this threat is so serious WHY THE HELL HAVE YOU NOT gone to war. You keep claiming there is a huge threat.
Some patriot you are. You can’t negotiate your freedom. Either you are a patriot or you are not. Which is it?
What I understand here is that you have given yourself a waiver from fighting for your country because of the global warming hypocrites. And of course it would include “stopping your life” of course it could also mean ending your life!
What a patriot!
Jim, this could be your next subject!
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
I know of no one but a few liberal “nuts” on this blog wanting to go to war with Iran. You are simply putting out the usual political propaganda to make
dick wants war with Iran idiot
Cartoon characters, geez.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
He is macaca.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
When summer temps skyrocket, the liberal global warming shrill is heard ‘round the media. When a city or two has a record low temp, only the high shrill of cricket chirps is heard ‘round the media. Yeah, global warming must also cause global cooling. That’s it.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
getalife the goof
Not too clever.
You can do better.
Maybe.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Better than Mike?
No, it is the truth as usual.
Deal with it.
dick bombs Iran and you get WWIII.
Now that is scary.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
“I have NEVER told another to build a house for the poor while sitting on my azz, then have the nerve to call anyone not helping lazy. Never!”
You miss the point, Corky Cobb. If YOU advocate or show support for something, YOU should do it. That’s in effect what you deranged liberals are saying about Iraq and those of us here. Are you telling me you don’t support ANY cause in your life? How convenient.
“I have not once advocated for any of those issues.”
Corky Cobb, are you not a liberal? You sure sound like one. An angry one at that. In my opinion, the ultimate in cowardice is not even taking a stand on something because you are afraid it might conflict with someone else. Heaven forbid you stand up for something and actually have to do something about it.
“WHY THE HELL HAVE YOU NOT gone to war”
Because like your hero Bill Clinton, I CHOSE to go to college instead. Why can’t you idiots get it through your azzes that people who support our troops when in war or support going to war don’t have to join up (and that includes those in congress who voted for it)?
Anyway, I’m way past over that childish liberal argument.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Uh oh,
Getalife has gotten more messages from his space contact. Dick wants to go to war with Iran. Yep!!
Well, that settles that. getalife said so and so did the little green men.
Corky Cobb,
You exemplify the liberal viewpoint. WHY ISN’T EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE MILITARY WHILE I SIT HOME COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WAR?
Is the USA your country or not???
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
Shucks. Just when I thought Barack was above demeaning our troops by calling them murderers like so many other Democrats, I get disappointed. I’m surprised it took this long.
Naturally, it doesn’t take long for the media to play it up with false propoganda. Let me guess, those unspent bullets were thrown at the Iraqi civilians.
By @@
August 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
Getalife:
You know darn well I read. I read everything I can access online.
Of course I could read DailyKos and Huffington Post where they simplify for the simple mind or, if I wanted to let others do my research AND my thinking. But alas….I am a curious sort. Not arrogant enough to say that I can put the puzzle pieces together, but informed enough to recognize why they fall into the slots they do as time passes. I’m humble enough to realize that there are world leaders who will pursue their strategic interests no matter what I say or think.
On the other hand, I’m smart enough to know that many, many moons ago, this country had the opportunity to wean itself from foreign oil suppliers, but we didn’t.
One reason was the environmentalists stood in our way, and it was “fashionable” for the Democrats to support them. The second reason is because it was easier and more cost effective to turn a blind-eye to the impending results of neglect.
Negotiations in the ME were “fashionable” too, but they sure didn’t come with the rewards we had hoped for.
There are five members in the SCO. Most, if not all are guilty of crimes against their own people. Three of them harbor no animosity towards the U.S., that’s why they see no need to admit new members, Iran in particular.
China? I don’t know, the jury is still out on them, but they do need relationships with the U.S. for now.
Currently China is benefitting from business ties in oil-rich Africa. I say great, that country could sure use some investment.
As countries develop so does their demand for oil. While they’re pursuing that, we’ve implemented programs for alternative fuel sources, but that too will take time.
Putin? Pished. Why?
It’s 26 to 5 he’s already behind in the game. That’s why he has to puff himself up to look bigger and more threatening.
You will want to keep an eye on the elections in Ukraine though. That’s one of the things that got Putin’s panties in a bunch, the Orange Revolution. He accused the U.S. of turning Ukraine around in the last election. Couldn’t possibly have been because Putin is wielding the old hammer, now could it?
The EU needs to step in on that one. I’ll be listening in on the chatter over there.
Never accuse me of being uninformed Getalife when it’s Crooks & Liars, DU, DailyKos and Huffington Post from whence you get your information.
If their ongoing agenda to remove Republicans and open the path to socialism under the tutelage of MoveOn.org and the far-left Democrats isn’t obvious to you, then your brain has become flabby.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
getalife 1:25
What is scary is your mind, getalife.
Neither Cheney nor anyone else in the administration said anything about going to war with Iran. A warning is not a war.
But YOU are already cut-n-running over something that hasn’t happened. Doesn’t that worry you a little bit that you are scared to death over a situation your imagination has cooked up?
Probably not. A mind is a terrible thing to lose.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Woohooten, I have not voted for Bill Clinton. Not once. Why is it whenever you are confronted with something you have to turn it into “well your liberal guy did this” battle. Can’t you stand up for yourself without the distractions?
At least we now know that YOU have chosen to not serve your country. Yet you claim a major threat.
Well if Iraq and the Middle East are the threat you claim, then this country is in deep trouble.
Why? Because those that knew of the threat, and advocated for war, at the same time chose their careers and education ABOVE their country.
This would not have happened during ww2. They would not have said “Well so-and-so didn’t build any ‘Log Cabins for Humanity”, so we are not going to war.
How is a war won this way? What if another conflict does occur. We have school and jobs to go to.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
One reason was the environmentalists stood in our way, and it was “fashionable” for the Democrats to support them. The second reason is because it was easier and more cost effective to turn a blind-eye to the impending results of neglect.
Total bs, corporate wh-ores on Washington.
You get your information from corporate wh-ore sites.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
Total ignorance dusty, try reading something on your hero dick .
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Great smackdown on Getalife, @@. Tip of the ball cap. Sometimes the liberal Daily Kooks here just beg for it.
Anyway, so Bush freezing assets of Iranian terrorists is ‘saber rattling.’ (I find the use of “saber” rather ironic in a Bush hit piece since the Iranians and other Arab nations use them as symbols so much). Again, it’s a world of misery for liberals. Deranged sheep.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Get informed before you spew.
Your arguments are willfully ignorant devoid of reality.
Geez.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
duh
Read something.
Geez.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
I would say the Navy and the war games on their coast is saber rattling.
Labeling them as terrorists is saber rattling.
dick wants to bomb them is saber rattling.
Are you actually this ignorant?
Geez.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
“Why is it whenever you are confronted with something you have to turn it into “well your liberal guy did this” battle. Can’t you stand up for yourself without the distractions?”
Corky Cobb, I just decided to call you out, that’s all. Now since you don’t have the courage to even mention one thing or cause that you support (instead of I’M AGAINST THIS, I’M AGAINST THAT, I DIDN’T VOTE FOR BILL CLINTON, I DIDN’T DO THIS, I DON’T DO THAT>>), I consider whatever you say here as meaningless. Why, because I don’t even KNOW where you are coming from.
“Well if Iraq and the Middle East are the threat you claim, then this country is in deep trouble.”
Did I REALLY say they were a threat? I just merely stated there WILL be war over there at some point in our future. Try reading comprehension instead of interjecting personal biases against the writer like Getalife does.
“Why? Because those that knew of the threat, and advocated for war, at the same time chose their careers and education ABOVE their country. This would not have happened during ww2.”
That’s the most asinine logic I’ve read in a long time. Our first two years of WWII were not wrought with victories because we weren’t fully deployed with weapons and the latest weaponry. In fact, we didn’t even START building up for a future conflict until the late 1930s because a lot of people didn’t see Hitler as a threat. But that buildup was for the ONE nation, not for another nation on the other side of the globe that we would be fighting as well. Everyone who fought that wasn’t already in the military came out of civilian life, did they not? Do you NOT think that can happen again today? You really are deranged.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 18, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife August 18, 2007 11:03 AM First, China will nuke our economy. Then they will blast all our satellites. Then they will invade us with Russia.}}}}
al –Gitmo: I’m pretty sure that you can rest easy on this one, unless another Clintoon gets in office and gives them the latest nuclear secrets in exchange for a night in the Lincoln bedroom.
I actually hope that the dinks and zipperheads all load up into their boats and steam towards us, that would be kind of neat.
After we sunk their whole entire flotilla we could flame their cities to teach them a real good lesson.
Alas, I don’t expect to see such delightful scenario, I suspect the Rooskies and the Chinks aren’t that stupid.
Plus they need to worry about holding on to their own country, communism is getting old to those enslaved by it.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
“dick wants to bomb them is saber rattling.”
“Are you actually this ignorant?”
Sigh. The point being, Wasted Life, is that we don’t use sabers nor do we even have them in our culture, let alone as symbols. I have never liked that phrase. Are you really that shallow minded? Of course you are, Getalife, that’s why you are a liberal.
Sometimes you really have to spell things out for liberals. Their dementia caused by their ideology handicaps puts them at a great disadvantage.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
duh to the rescue,
I know you would love it war monger.
Nothing like a draft and bombing our cities to make you happy.
Insane.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
Told ya wingnuts are insane.
Geez.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
@@,1:39
The only thing I might disagree with you is the idea that Chinese oil investments in Africa are good.
I have only heard about their interest in the oil prospects in Sudan. Some of the major prospective oil fields lie in Darfur. I have heard that is one reason for the genocide there. If China has made any protests about Darfur I haven’t heard of them.
Last night on Lehrer News Hour, the humanitarian projects done in Djibouti on the horn of Africa were pictured. There’s an important base there and the miitary has spread out into the small desert country and built schools, medical facilites and dug wells in the desert for villagers. After all the good things were mentioned, some liberals came on and said it was WRONG because it confused the picture of the military. The citizens of Djibouti were not confused. They were all for it and Americans.
Africa is so full of potential and terrible situations both. It is truly a maze of mishaps and possibilites.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
So Woohooten. Iraq is not a threat to this country? And if there is going to be a war “over there” shouldn’t we start to prepare? We need thousands more as it is.
Should we withdraw from Iraq since its not a threat?
If not, maybe our soldiers could use a break. Would you mind giving them a hand. Some would like to go to school. Some would just like to see their family again. Some are back for the third time.
What kind of patriotism allows you special rights?
You don’t really support the war do you? You are not a patriot are you?
At least you don’t have to go to Canada.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
“And if there is going to be a war “over there” shouldn’t we start to prepare..”
Corky Cobb, the only thing we would need to prepare are bunker buster bombs and aircraft. Besides, did I necessarily say WE would be the one starting the war over there? Do you remember Iranian’s president stating Israel WILL be destroyed? Take your blinders off, moron.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
Corky, one last thing: I assume you stand for nothing. I gave you three tries. Pathetic.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Like you care about the genocide in Darfur.
The liberals do but you fail to mention that in your bs.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
Sure, bomb and Iran and nothing will happen.
Geez, it does not get more arrogant or ignorant than that.
Unbelievable.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
“Like you care about the genocide in Darfur. The liberals do but you fail to mention that in your bs.”
And WTF are you liberals DOING about it Wasted Life besides putting bumper stickers on your cars and posting pipe dreams on blogs like this? WTF is your beloved UNITED NATIONS doing about it Wasted Life? No use for liberals.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
If you watched the Dems debate you would know.
By Jackie
August 18, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Have you noticed that the neo-cons don’t use the term “cut-and-run” anymore since it has been reported the Gen. Petraeus has recommended that the troop levels in Iraq be cut. The White House has publicly stated that the White House will write the report about the progress in Iraq and Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker will attend the Congressional presentation.
I ask the conservatives to give a logical explanation as to what we are doing to fight terrorism in Iraq to “keep them there and not have to fight them here?” Dubya literally said it does not matter what ANYONE else says, he will make the decision as to how this “war” is being fought. When the ground forces of the military are broken - with all the Generals saying we have until spring to get this resolved - what happens when another conflict starts? Who will we send to defeat the “terrorists?” Will we have to start the draft again? The War Czar says it is something that needs immediate consideration. My, my, ny. Details getting in the way of rhetoric.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
What is the gop doing about it?
Nothing, as usual.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
getalife, 2:41
You have really lost it.
I mentioned Darfur in connection with oil prospects in Sudan. Then you go off your rocker. Oh well, what’s new?
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
No Woohooton you tried 3 times to change the subject.
You and others want to turn the war into a liberal vs conservative issue.
Most of you try to frame it that way even though 75% of the country want this war in Iraq to end. 75% of the American public are not flaming far left wing idiots. You Dusty @@ and that crazy guy all try to turn the discussion that way.
And make up your mind. Is the damn threat real or not? How’s Iraq going? Iran?
Do we need an Army to battle this threat? Can’t we just withdraw now and drop bombs?
We seem to be at the point where career and school are more important than this threat of yours.
Is it? Is the threat real?
American soldiers in Iraq come home. Woohooten says all we need are cluster bombs and aircraft!!!
By getalife
August 18, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
crusty the clown,
Just the facts.
After all the good things were mentioned, some liberals came on and said it was WRONG because it confused the picture of the military
Not that bs.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
What is the gop doing about it? Nothing, as usual.
Well at least they don’t blabber about it mindlessly like you do, Wasted Life. Kook. Not much we can do about corruption and violence in African nations. Not much we could have done for South Africa when whites got kicked off their farm land and now everyone there is starving.
By Jackie
August 18, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
It seems that the criminals in the White House are being surrounded. The secret FISA court - in existence for more than 29 years - has demanded the Bush Administration respond to means and methods used in the way it handled domestic spying in 2003. Alberto will not be able to pontificate, obfuscate and perjure himself without being frog-marched. Karl Rove may have to appear before the court; Dick Cheyney will have to speak to someone other than Dubya; the “Decider” will have the buck sitting on his desk. Whoooooopppsss!!!
By getalife
August 18, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
Answer Jackie’s question cons.
I had enough insanity for one day.
Geez.
By @@
August 18, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 2:27:
Like I said, the jury is still out on China. They’ve always been like a chameleon but their desire to be a major player on the international stage makes them rather vulnerable with the world watching. Will they be booed or applauded?
They did oppose some resolutions on Darfur in the U.N., but claimed it was only because of how they were written. Since then, their business investments have allowed the Sudanese government to continue with their atrocities. All I know for certain is that you can’t stop them from doing business in Africa.
This is from Reuters:
The report said pressure from advocacy groups and negative media attention ahead of China hosting the 2008 Olympic Games had pushed Beijing to use its influence over Sudan more wisely.
Activists including Hollywood actress and rights activist Mia Farrow, who is the goodwill ambassador for the U.N. Children’s Fund UNICEF, urged China on Wednesday to use its influence in Sudan to boost security.
China has appointed a special envoy to Darfur and Chinese President Hu Jintao warned Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir over Darfur during a visit in February 2007.
“Since 2006, Beijing’s approach to Darfur has shifted towards a more pragmatic stance,” the report said.
“Given Beijing’s undisputed leverage with Khartoum, engaging it further may be a promising avenue in the international community’s efforts to bring peace and security to Darfur,” the report concluded.
Can they be trusted? Maybe, maybe not, but they can be watched. A lot of their current investment is entrepeneurial in nature.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
To think liberals like Getalife don’t see any threats here. Unbelievable. No, it’s believable. Getalife and his ilk would have called for the hanging of Bush had he stated on 9/10/01 that it is imminent that Islamic terrorists are going to hijack airliners and fly them into key US facilities as bombs.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
“No Woohooton you tried 3 times to change the subject.”
Corky, I answered your questions. Besides, if you had read any of my previous posts today, most of your questions would have been answered about joining up. It was my turn.
“Most of you try to frame it that way even though 75% of the country want this war in Iraq to end.”
Technically I’d say 100% of this nation wants the war to end. I know I do. But not by us just blindly pulling out. Seen any polls on that Corky?
“And make up your mind. Is the damn threat real or not? How’s Iraq going? Iran? Do we need an Army to battle this threat? Can’t we just withdraw now and drop bombs? We seem to be at the point where career and school are more important than this threat of yours.”
You are losing it Corky the liberal. You idiots keep forgetting about the weight Israel has in the entire Iran matter. Is the threat real? Threat against who? Us on this soil? No. Threats against what’s left of stability between Israel and other Arab nations? You bet your a_ss.
“American soldiers in Iraq come home. Woohooten says all we need are cluster bombs and aircraft!”
Settle down, Beavis. First, you don’t target facilities with cluster bombs. That’s for ground troops. Second, we aren’t going to do a damn thing in Iran until THEY do something first. Are you Iranian War Deranged Syndrome liberals not aware that Nancy’s Congress has just a TAD little say in the matter? Just damn. You idiots sound like Bush and Cheney are the only ones in Washington. Talk about hiding under beds.
Boo!
By getalife
August 18, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
OMG, another Fatwa calling for them to quit their jobs.
I am scared to death too.
Geez,
Later coward.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
Still no comments on what YOU stand for, eh Corky? Not unexpected from a liberal who’s so smart you transcend all discrepancies and interpersonal conflicts and just float in some netherworld of harmony. You must have been a hippy from the 1960s.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
Jackie,2:54
I suppose we are supposed to answer all your “thoughful” questions. Why don’t YOU put down a few answers?
Why don’t you think terrorists in Iraq will use it for a base if we leave suddenly?
Since we are already fighting terrorism in Iraq, why are you NOT supporting our efforts there?
Why don’t you know that the President is the Commander-in-Chief and always has been?
Why do you think you know more about the military and current conditions in Iraq than the Commander in Chief and the Generals?
The only people saying we must start a draft are liberals. They don’t want to fight but they want to suggest a draft. Why do liberals use such anti-war propaganda as that?
Since you seem to think you have great insight into the Pentagon, why don’t you tell us where more troops will come from if we need them?
You are just one big anti-war liberal who can’t support anything this country does because Bush is President.
Well, we elected him and thank goodness for that. The thought of Gore or Kerry trying to lead us against terrorism is almost laughable.
What a thought!! Scary! Almost as bad as imagining Hillary, Obama or Edwards as president. OHooooo…NO….. !!
By Jackie
August 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
The neo-cons do not want to talk about China. I recall the Chinese THREATENING the USA a few days past. They said if we did not stop with the complaints about their currency manipulation, they would cash in their IOU’s (something in the neighborhood of $4 trillion dollars). A few facts about China and it’s business practices are: they have options on most of the world’s timeber; the have the fastest growing Navy in the world and have more diesel powered submarines than any Navy in the world; they have options on most of the world’s oil including Sudan, Venezuela and ostensibly Iraq; they have the world’s fastest growing automobile market; they have one of the world’s largest military; all the money we spend at Wal-Mart goes directly to the Chinese military.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
Seen on a bumper sticker in metro Atlanta recently:
Getting tired yet? Vote Democratic in 2008
Now, here’s the kicker. The license plate said “GREEN1.” (Yes, I scowled at the driver). The type of vehicle these were on is one of the below. Take a guess as to which one. I’m banking on @@ to get the correct answer.
1) Honda Accord
2) Toyota Prius
3) Lincoln Navigator
4) Ford Focus
5) Toyota Corolla
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
Wow, this is some threat Woohooten. Don’t you think you should stop worrying about Getalife and get your azz to Iraq and help fight the Islamic Fascists? This is serious. You sound like our freedom is at stake.
When will the threat be a big enough for you to quit school and enlist? Or for others to give up their careers.
Otherwise why should we care how Iraq is going? Or Iran for that matter.
Do we need an Army for this threat or not?
This is not about Nancy’s Congress. You don’t want to go to Iraq and Nancy doesn’t want us there.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
I don’t see China as a threat to us, Jackie. We are still FAR ahead of them in military hardware and they know it. (Diesel subs. LOL). Did you see how quickly China backed off it’s supposed economic “threat?” They know it’s a world economy, not just a US economy. You just hate the fact that they are manufacturing things over there and we are buying them here. Quit farting around and get to the point. Then go hide under your bed, as is so often told to me from your ilk.
By Jackie
August 18, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
@Dusty,
Let me give you some answers since you are unable to think for yourself.
When Saddam Hussein was OUR BOY, there was never a problem with al-Qaeda because he hated them and he did not want competition for his job.
Osama Bin Laden was OUR BOY in Afghanistan and we used any means and methods to arm these folks to get rid of the Russians. A case of man bites dog.
You make this innane statement about my not supporting our troops in Iraq. I support our troops completely, I do not support the policy of Dubya. To further that thought, we are not fighting “terrorists” in Iraq, we are fighting citizens of an invaded country that do not want us there; we have killed more than 700,000 innocents to defeat the “enemy”, an enemy that YOU CAN NOT NAME!
The troop problem did not come from me, it came from those who are in the management of the Pentagon. One way we could alleviate the troop problem in Iraq is declare victory, move our troops to Afghanistan and bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.
I am a big anti-war liberal that can not support what Bush is doing to the troops and the Constitution. With your mantra of being a CONSERVATIVE, you should be jumping up and down that your commander-in-chief has lied, cheated and stolen from you and your family to perpetuate this war.
If we have a draft, it would mean EVERYONE will share in the sacrifice to protect this country. It would mean that instead of employing “lip” service, we would employ “hip” service; get in line and raise your hand to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. I have, what about you?
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
Question: What do Woohooten, Nancy, Hillary, Bill, Teddy and Cynthia Mckinney all have in common?
Answer: None of them want to be in Iraq.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
Corky, SNAP OUT OF IT. You have now gone off the edge. Quit repeating the same damned things. That’s insanity. But, you are a liberal..
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
Hey, the liberals’ hero, Hugo Chavez, is going to make himself president for life! The bestest buddy of Jeff Spicoli and Cindy Sheehan and Jimmy Carter is now appointing himself ruler for life in VZ. Notice how those same heroic “for the people” liberals who say Bush is acting like a Roman emperor or a king or dictator are strikingly silent on this matter. So amusing.
By @@
August 18, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Oh noooo. Woohooten is banking on me to choose a car?
Hell, if it’s got plenty of leg room and head room I’m driving it without knowing what it is, but it’s not always the big luxury car liberals think conservatives drive.
O.K., my best guess….the Lincoln?
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
Woohooten, since there is currently not a draft you can’t be labeled a draft-dodger.
Is the correct term these days “War Dodger?”
What do you tell the campus recruiters?
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
IN what could perhaps be the biggest laugh in the face to the Gore bots who lambasted Bush for thumbing his nose at that anti-capitalist crockery known as Kyoto, we have this news.
“At the heart of the clash is a carbon trading scheme under Kyoto, worth $5 billion last year, whereby rich countries pay poorer ones to cut greenhouse gas emissions on their behalf, called the clean development mechanism (CDM).”
Priceless. Stupid liberals. Never, EVER let emotions run your lives and be in control of money.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 18, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Jackie August 18, 2007 2:54 PM Have you noticed that the neo-cons don’t use the term “cut-and-run” anymore since it has been reported the Gen. Petraeus has recommended that the troop levels in Iraq be cut.}}}}
I wouldn’t really call this a question; this is more of a request to be schooled.
There is a big difference between wiping the enemy off the face of the Earth and then going home, versus throwing your weapons down and fleeing, like Murtha would have us do.
You have to be truly ignorant to not be able to distinguish between the two.
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Listen to Team Edwards spew:
{{{{Edwards Calls Coulter ‘She-Devil’}}}}
A “she devil” now isn’t that lame.
{{{{Edwards, D-N.C., was railing against the right-wing media — including Fox News and Rush Limbaugh — when he reminded a crowd in Burlington, Iowa, that his wife stood up to Coulter in a public spat earlier this summer.}}}}
I guess when you are mentally crippled weakling like Edwards is, you send the wife out to do battle for you, hiding behind her skirt.
Has anyone ever heard a democrat say why Fox, why Limbaugh and why Coulter causes them so much irritable bowel syndrome? Have we ever heard any facts from them saying why Fox is wrong? Or do they only know how to bleat and throw their feces around?
And isn’t it telling that this utter lack of intelligence has all of the liberals harping like seals in gaping mouthed and beady eyed approval?
Duh.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
“O.K., my best guess….the Lincoln?”
You win the Thanksgiving turkey @@. I wanted so bad to talk to that liberal hypocrite, but we didn’t get the chance to pull up next to him. What kind of IDIOT drives around with those symbols on a Navigator? Stupid hypocritical Lincoln liberals. Do as I say, not as I do. Pathetic.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
“Is the correct term these days “War Dodger?” What do you tell the campus recruiters?”
You just won’t let it go, will you Iraq War Deranged liberal Corky? There WAS NO WAR WHEN I WENT TO COLLEGE. Now GET OVER YOURSELF ALREADY. Make like Soros and move on. You aren’t shutting me up nor are you diminishing my support of our troops and the war in Iraq. Pathetic liberal bloggers like you aren’t that meaningful in my life.
By @@
August 18, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
Woohooten:
Liberals just can’t resist the urge to be fashionable.
Be a progressive.
Be an environmentalist.
and above-all acquire junk because junk is a good indication of intelligence and success.
A liberal dose of hypocrisy will be overlooked by the less intelligent.
Getalife:
I know you said you were gone, but you’re probably still reading.
The funniest thing I find in your accusations against Cheney is that Joe Lieberman is also taking an aggressive stance against Iran and has been for some time.
The liberals are now calling Joe Lieberman….JOE LIEBERMAN a neo-con.
I would do some of those HAW HAW HAW thingys but you wouldn’t get the full audio benefit without hearing the HEEs in between.
Joe Lieberman…a NEO-CON????
HEE HAW HEE HAW HEE HAW
Oops!
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
A European Catholic priest’s way to solve radical islamic terrorism: Let’s all refer to God as “Allah.” How liberal of him. If I were Catholic, I would run from that church faster than a thug on COPS.
By Dusty
August 18, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
Jackie,3:48
You tell us what we alrady know. You are a big anti-war liberal.
First you go back many years when Russia and Afghanistan were fighting. We did support Afghanistan. They won. Unfortunately, Islamistic fundamentalists took over. Terrorist attacked the USA. We fought them in Afghanistan. We won. (Yes, they have a government and NATO protection.)
We fight terrorists from many countries fighting in Iraq. They have been captured or killed so we know that. Iran, Syria, Jordan, Yemen are some of the countries they come from. There are also militant religious factions fighting. They are not the major killers and it is not a Civil War.
You say you support the troops but not Bush. That is impossible. You can’t support armed forces and not support their commander-in-chief. That is possible in words only, not in reality.
I have heard NO announcement from the Pentagon that we will have a draft. That’s more your scare tactic than their policy.
Our Constitution is quite intact and working. Liberals pointing fingers at it does not change it. More propaganda from liberals.
I know you are a veteran. I also know that my father, husband, and son are veterans. I appreciate the service but it does not change the obligation of any citizen whether they have been in the armed forces or not. The obligation to support our country is the same.
I leave for the day. Babble on about your service, people killed, Bush bad and all the “usual”. But we always remember what you told us. You are just an anti-war activist liberal who is NOT supporting the war efforts of our country. That does include the troops whether you think so or not.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
The DOJ is granting Al the AG “fast track” status on death penalty cases. Somehow, some way, I just know liberals are going to say that Gonzales was behind this and Bush is stomping on the US Constitution.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
“Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.” - General Patton
“The war in Iraq is lost” - Senator Harry Reid, Democrat
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
I’m starting a “Waivers List” so we know which conservatives have an excuse. So far I believe it’s every conservative patriot that participates on this blog.
If you support the war and have an Iraqi war waiver please add your name to the list. Ethics are important to you conservatives. We need full disclosure, warts and all. And asthmas too.
Andy, Lucko, Dem
RW
@@
Scooter
Van
Buy Danish
Dusty
Wootenhooten
jmblaw
Who else?
Don’t worry. Personally I have a saying “Love the coward, hate the cowardice.” Don’t be afraid to add your name. I still see you all as Americans. (Although I picture you living in Canada.)
By getalife
August 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
@@,
Joe is a neocon. He has allied with cheney to bomb Iran and start WWIII.
Reid is right.
Holy crap
Geez.
Later.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
Poll: nearly 1/3 of Americans are not knowledgeable about US political issues. Interesting. Some of those must be those “swing voters” who sit on the fence until they hear something that stimulates their brain stem. The others must be those idiots who couldn’t figure out a butterfly ballot in 2000 and tried to vote for Gore.
In other poll news, a vast majority of Americans view their lives as satisfactory, and a little over half VERY satisfactory.
Well now, it appears that all that doom and gloomism isn’t working very well in the liberal Democrat fun house. I’d really hate to be a member of a political party where you can only gain power from the ills of others. How pathetic.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
Call it the sniveling cowards list.
See ya.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
Could you imagine the modern day conservative patriot responding to Patton……
“Well General, most of us patriots think our job and school are more important than defeating the Islamic Terrorists. You must have voted for Clinton. God bless America, commie.”
By getalife
August 18, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
Patton would slap the coward out of these pathetic chicken hawks.
Geez.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
Corky Cobb, you are a one track one hit wonder. Don’t talk to me about jobs and schools over fighting a war overseas when you won’t even state what you stand for. WTF is wrong with you?
Besides, the islamic terrorist cowards are not fighting us like men. They are pretending to be civilians and blowing themselves up and hiding behind innocent women and children. In Patton’s day, that was unheard of. You are really becoming a mindless parrot BTW.
By @@
August 18, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this
Oh chit, some Democrat has ticked off the Palestinians.
Earlier this week, visiting U.S. Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Ca.), current chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told a Jerusalem press conference not to expect any breakthroughs at the upcoming conference.
In an interview with Cybercast News Service, chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said that is the view of “narrow-minded and selfish” members of the U.S. Congress who are ——>for some reason<—— trying to ——>”undermine<—— efforts to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.”
Oh Mr. Erekat…if only you knew.
Dashing hopes is what drives them.
Narrow-minded and “selfish” Democrats!!!
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
By getalife
August 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Wow @@,
Cheering on terrorists will get you kicked out of wingnutville.
That is a classic disease of party over country.
Shame.
Got to go.
By Liberal Drive-by
August 18, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
This so called war on terrorism is lost just like the so called war on drugs. You buffoonish con-men think the commander-in-chimp has kept you safe because he invaded the wrong country and spent $700B doing it. What a bunch of morons. We’ll never win this fake war on terror because we’ll never do what it takes to win it, which is nuke the whole middle east until everyone is dead. If there are 100K muslims left, there’s the potential for 100k suicide bombers. The whack-a-mole policy is to appease you idiots into thinking he’s doing something about terror. Unless you plan to kill everyone over there, stop wasting American lives with this useless occupation. And yes, everyone who’s has been killed over there has been sacrificed. Nothing good is going to come out of this occupation other than Iraqis having access to a satellite dish
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
(Tempe, Arizona) — Economic activity in the manufacturing sector expanded in July for the sixth consecutive month, while the overall economy grew for the 69th consecutive month, say the nation’s supply executives in the latest Manufacturing ISM Report On Business®. Keep that in mind when you start hearing the pathetically miserable liberal democrat candidates start spewing their doom and gloomism. Yeah, ALL of our manufacturing has gone overseas. Lies and the lying liars that tell them. The “We can’t win on positives” Democrats.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Contrary to these a-ss clown liberals, I WOULD like to talk about other things than Iraq.
By @@
August 18, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this
Getalife:
It’s Hamas that has been designated a terrorist group, not the Palestinian people.
August 14, 2007: Gaza has turned into a large prison camp, with Hamas trying to maintain control of the 1.5 million Palestinians. Hamas has forbidden anti-Hamas demonstrations, and over a hundred dozen people that have been injured or arrested for trying. Government officials who refuse to swear allegiance to Hamas are being fired, which is causing more disorder. Meanwhile, Hamas does nothing to halt terrorists making, or attempting, attacks on Israel. In response, Israel continues to maintain an intelligence operation in Gaza, and the army makes raids every few days to capture or kill key terrorists. About 50 Gaza terrorists a week are being killed, wounded or captured by these operations. There has also been a reduction in Kassam rockets being fired into Israel, caused by a shortage of fertilizer (used to make propellant and explosives) in Gaza.
Meanwhile, Israel and Fatah continue to cooperate and negotiate. Fatah is cooperating with Israel in identifying and arresting Palestinian terrorists who continue to operate in the West Bank. Israel is willing to negotiate a deal to establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank, and leave Gaza for later. But the Palestinians must be able to control their radicals, or it’s no deal.
Nuts with wings?
Nuts with teeth are my specialty.
‘Ya got any?…..teeth that is.
Your sources sure don’t.
By Analyst Interrupted
August 18, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Just read Jim’s column today. Do you get the idea that at parties, woe to he who dares double dip the chips in front of Jim Wooten!
Seriously, Jim gave us a brilliant follow-up to yesterday’s Pick a Topic. I thought the real story was the hand-picked successor angle and Jim took my advice for which I am truly honored.
Jim Wooten is a reporter. A real news hound. That’s rare these days of auto-bio dairies which is all you get from reporters lately. (or bloggers who are so impressed with one particular commenter that they copy every nuance of his/her style ad naseum.)
Back to Jim Wooten: Finally someone who digs and digs and then tells it like it is. Raw news. Real news. News you can understand and believe in .
Bravo.
The rest of you can my-space this blog up all you want. I’m here for news. Current news. News that informs. News that alerts. News that changes lives.
Thank you, Jim Wooten.
By Corky Cobb
August 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
General Patton: So Mr President, what did you do in Nam?
W: I chickened out. Quit.
General Patton: You ^%* %&%$* Sissy ^&&^ coward #@)^^ wimp&^)#!!! Son of a &^ &&%$ !! You &$@) piece of &%^%!!! #%& YOU!!!!
By TW
August 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
Seriously though, why’d we really invade Iraq?
By Fingering Monkeys
August 18, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
MySpace needs people like @@ and CuttheGeez. They would fit right in and become absorbed. They are wasting themselves here. (It’s stupifying 2C wasted efforts at the level seen here)
That’s 4 sure.
That’s 4 dang sure.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this
Corked Cobb - a one track mind on a derailed ideology of liberalism and Iraq.
One doesn’t have to pontificate that the liberalism and various Derangement Syndromes truly go hand in hand.
By Woohooten
August 18, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
“Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.” - General Patton
For those deranged mental midget liberals who rode the short bus like Corky Cobb, that means AMERICANS BACK AT HOME.
By Mallory
August 19, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
Wooten’s expose has only scratched the corrupt patina of a much deeper varnish. Follow this money if you dare. We are looking at the gloss of an entrenched conspiracy of grandfathered cronyism. The money goes much higher up the county ladder and to much more devious men. Money like that has been earmarked since antelbellum days.
This story has legs, (broken legs and broken thumbs), and buried remains. The old south. Confederate Cesspool. Anyone diving too deep suddenly dont feel too good.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
Sick:
{{{{Taller? Faster? Cuter? Why not? Enhancing humans: Ethicist says we have a duty to make it happen. By Richard Halicks The Atlanta Urinal-Constitution}}}}
A duty?
Didn’t the Nazis have a “duty” to “purify” their Aryan race?
Is the AJC saying to us that there is something defective about short, slow people?
And exactly what are we trying to be taller than? The average human? What happens when we are all tall? What do we shoot for then?
And most of all, why hasn’t “evolution” taken care of this for us?
Duh, POS.
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Sinthia Tucker allows confusion to reign:
{{{{If immigration authorities wanted to turn Americans against undocumented workers, they could hardly do better than to allow felons to remain in the United States, where they can kill and rob and maim again and again. Most are law-abiding, hard-working family folk whose only infraction has been crossing a border illegally to find work.}}}}
Got that, the “only” law that all of them have broken is an utter disrespect and contempt of the legal avenue for citizenship.
And without fear of retribution for breaking that law and a lack of knowledge of American culture, what is keeping them from disobeying all of our laws?
Ever heard of the “broken windows” policy that Guilaini instituted in NY City? You know, enforcing ALL of the laws, even the most menial, and how it resulted in a reduction of ALL crime?
Duh.
{{{{Besides, the worst thing that can happen to the cause of immigration reform is to allow the Jose Carranzas to breed more hysteria and fear, more bigotry and stereotyping.}}}}
I can’t believe that another human being can say things like this, what an utterly ridiculous statement.
4 young promising lives were brutally snuffed out, and all Sinthia cares about is keeping the law breaking in place.
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The socialists have taken over today’s vent:
{{{{Global warming is not real. This message is brought to you by the Institute of Smoking Is Good For You.}}}}
Ah, use one junk science mass hysteria, “second hand smoke,” to scare monger another junk science mass hysteria.
{{{{Sure, science has been handy for treating cancer and space travel and such, but global warming is a myth because I insist that it is.}}}}
I saw the shuttle come back to Earth in flames and little pieces, is that what you hysteritics want for the United States economy?
{{{{The man pushed his gravely ill wife over the balcony to her death because he couldn’t pay her medical bills, and you think we don’t have a problem with our health care system?}}}}
So all you need to do to get better insurance is throw your wife off a balcony and the socialists will clamor for your free health care.
Real nice.
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Looks like that magical 500 ain’t coming through for you liberals:
{{{{Iraq killings reflect the ethnic tensions The Economist Published in the Urinal on: 08/19/07 Insurgents struck last week at one of Iraq’s smaller minorities, killing at least 250 people and wounding hundreds more in areas populated mostly by adherents of the Yazidi religion in the remote northwest region of Sinjar.}}}}
Nice try on maximizing the genocide to your anti war benefit, sorry to hear it didn’t work out for you.
And I wouldn’t call it “ethnic tensions” when the foreign murderers of Al Qaida find a group of minorities that they think no one cares about, the same people you libs tell us you would protect, and use their innocent lives as props for the democrat Congress.
But you go ahead and twist this outrage to suit your agendas, what else would we expect from you lowlifes?
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
Note the difference between Steyn and Sinthia:
No one can say why they “had” to die, but it ought to be possible to advance theories as to what factors make violent death in Newark a more-likely proposition than it should be. That’s usually what happens when lurid cases make national headlines: When Matthew Shepard was beaten and hung on a fence in Wyoming, Frank Rich wrote in the New York Times that it was merely the latest stage in a “war” against homosexuals loosed by the forces of intolerance. Mr. Shepard’s murder was dramatized in plays and movies and innumerable songs by Melissa Etheridge, Elton John, Peter, Paul and Mary, etc. The fact that this vile crucifixion was a grisly one-off and that American gays have never been less at risk from getting bashed did not deter pundits and politicians and lobby groups galore from arguing that this freak case demonstrated the need for special legislation.
But now the libs want us to believe that the Newark slayings had nothing to do with immigration.
{{{{America has a high murder rate: Murdering people is definitely one of the jobs Americans can do. But that’s what ties young Malvo to Jose Carranza: He’s just another killer let loose in this country to kill Americans by the bureaucracy’s boundless sensitivity toward the “undocumented.” Will the Newark murders change anything? Will there be an Ioefemi Hightower Act of Congress like the Matthew Shepard Act passed by the House of Representatives? No. Three thousand people died Sept. 11, 2001, in an act of murder facilitated by the illegal-immigration support structures in this country, and, if that didn’t rouse Americans to action, another trio of victims seems unlikely to tip the scales. As Michelle Malkin documented in her book “Invasion,” four of the killers boarded the plane with photo ID obtained through the “undocumented worker” network at the 7-Eleven in Falls Church, Va. That’s to say, officialdom’s tolerance of the illegal immigration shadow-state enabled 9/11. And what did we do? Not only did we not shut it down, we enshrined the shadow-state’s charade as part of the new tough post-slaughter security procedures.}}}}
By Curious Observer
August 19, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
Under existing law, in any county with a chief deputy clerk’s position, that person “shall succeed the clerk of the superior court if a vacancy occurs” and serve until Jan. 1 following the next general election. The incumbent, is thus allowed to appoint a successor, an absurd arrangement that opens the door to corrupt agreements.
Perhaps Mr. Wooten, a great reporter, will explain to us mere mortals how a departing clerk is allowed to appoint a successor, given the fact that by statute the chief deputy clerk succeeds the clerk—precisely what happened in this case. Do tell.
By @@
August 19, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
Analyst Interrupted a/k/a Monkey Fingers a/k/a Buy@Life a/k/a Political Foreskin a/k/a Mallory a/k/a ???????? @ 5:57:
I thought the real story was the hand-picked successor angle and Jim took my advice for which I am truly honored.
You certainly did mention it buried deep within a bunch of your daily claptrap….
By Buy@life August 17, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
My car’s navigation system actually said, “You cant get there from here.” I was trying to drive to Lovejoy from behind the locked fence at the police impound lot.
How did it know?
When I tried to drive to the bridge to nowhere, my car’s navigation system started complaining about congressional earmarks, and vowed to vote for Hillary.
One thing that bothers me about homegrown terror cells here in the USA is that post-911, where was the publicized profiling about what to look for as we all became deputies of liberty (read vigilantes)? What was the actual profile of the 911 hijackers? How long were they here? What jobs did they have? What did their neighbors see that was unusual?
All this data was covered up, which makes me think that the war on terror is a campaign slogan/bumper sticker.
What happened to all those orange alerts? Imagine feigning a terror alert to rig elections, or glean support for pork. Rove is going to have to hide away for a long time.
The Brookings Institute, a repudlickan think tank, has just issued an estimate about when US troop withdrawals could begin: The text-to-speech recording on their website actually pronounced these words, (written phonetically): “We aint nebah tonna bit moutta Pinaq.”
Thomas Friedman said on Charlie Rose last night that Rove swiftboated Kerry and Cleland but failed to swiftboat OBL. The fact that the American People didn’t swiftboat Bush’s national guard duty should show McRove wannabe’s how to run election campaigns: Take your own weaknesses, and depict your opponents as owning those weaknesses. It’s easy. You simply imagine how a good lawyer would grill your candidate about being AWOL during a time of war, which is treason.
Ask yourself this: would I want to reenter earth’s atmosphere with a gash in my heat shield and with global warming making the heat of reentry even hotter?
This is why Buzz Lightyear gets the big bucks. The shuttle crew is supposed to trust the same engineers who designed the space shuttle to predict the outcome of a compromised heat shield reentering the atmosphere.
The space shuttle is a monument to rocket-science ignorance and the influence of popular culture on our judgement. (The movie Star Wars had spaceships w/wings 2).
So did the old 50’s tv show, Flash Gordon.
The real news story in the Fulton County Superior Court Clerk’s helpyourself is ——->that her successor was handpicked.<——- That should have put her in prison, because there should be a law against it, and we need to fix that today.
Our entire beaurocracy is corrupt just like in China. We aint no better than the godless commies, heaven help us.
I guess you really cant save mankind from itself. If christ couldnt, then I certainly cant, and thus wont even try. That’s why I stopped eating my vegetables. (“Cruciferfy him!”)
Who said that?
This was included in your comment last night…
The rest of you can my-space this blog up all you want. I’m here for news. Current news. News that informs. News that alerts. News that changes lives.
Thank you, Jim Wooten.
That ^^^ is the biggest pile of crap you’ve ever dumped here and you’ve dumped truckloads full.
BTW PoliFore, you seem to know a lot about MySpace whereas I know nothing about it. Isn’t that where kids hang out online?
If you truly had any respect for Jim Wooten you wouldn’t have taken pleasure in punking him out the other day with your childish namejacking.
Your contributions here at the AJC sites are nothing more than your pathetic desire to be published somewhere….anywhere.
May I suggest the walls of some public restrooms. Take your “Sharpee” so your words can’t be “wiped away”. That can indeed be YourSpace forever.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Watch the debate on ABC to get informed and stop spewing uninformed rhetoric.
Thank you in advance.
Geez.
By @@
August 19, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Before I exit momentarily, or maybe not…I’d like to take this opportunity to point out one blogger with integrity, one columnist with integrity, and then there’s PoliFore a/k/a Legions
By Southern Democrat Namejacked by PoliFore August 13, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
On a lighter note, does anybody have a good recipe for fruitcake? Christmas will be here before you know it and the stuff helps keep me regular.
I respectfully decline, sir.
By Jim Wooten Columnist with Integrity August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Southern Democrat, you’re a welcomed addition to this blog, but as one who hates fruit cake, I cannot allow this forum to be used to spread fruit cake recipes.
By Southern Democrat Namejacked by PoliFore August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
He apparently did shoot her in the face, but some dripped onto her dress.
You asked for it, you got it.
By What a coup! Pseudonym for PoliFore August 13, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Punked Wooten on his own blog! Well, no need to require registration, now. I retire, fully satisfied.
By Southern Democrat Blogger with integrity August 13, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
I hope that Mr. Wooten and others will recognize that the postings @ 3:38 and 4:03 are not me, but the work of the i.d. hijacker.
For the record…PoliFore is a radical leftist. No integrity.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
Great debate on ABC.
I will be asking questions to see how informed you are on the issues.
Lets start with this, what are the Dems plans on Iraq?
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
August 19, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
Greetings, Klanners. It is We your Pope.
Back from a week in Vegas, where Mr. Vick’s tribulations are well covered.
You know, We’ve come up with a powerful defense strategery for Mr. Vick, should this unfortunate mess come to trial.
Your Honor, I was just trying to save redneck lives - those were sh-it eating dogs I killed, sir.
Lord, deliver Us from the redneck, send Us more sh-it eating dogs, not less. Amen.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Greetings Pope,
What are the odds in Vegas on Vick going to prison?
They had another filthy redneck that stuck a knife in a beautiful pit bull’s head and left it there.
Disgusting.
By cranky old man
August 19, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Lets start with this, what are the Dems plans on Iraq?
I don’t particularly care for watching people lie between their teeth on TV for votes. Who gives a damn.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
cranky old man,
How do you know when a politician is lying?
When they are talking.
Did that make you less cranky?
Geez.
By Sadie
August 19, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
Pray with me @@. Lets pray for God to kill Political foreskin.
Two of the verses in the 109th Psalm suggest physical harm when speaking of the enemy: “Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”
“Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg; let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places… . Let there be none to extend mercy unto him; neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.”
Won’t revenge on the children be great! Can’t wait to see his innocent children begging for food. Ha! The great thing is the Bible encourages this.
Let us pray.
9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: Let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
The Bible allows us to do this.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
“Do onto others as they do onto you.”
PF, you have the floor.
By AmVet
August 19, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Michael Deaver, aide to Ronald Reagan, dies
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20070818-1509-obit-deaver.html
Another of those class acts from the Reagan administration is gone, and leaves behind, a legacy of lacking in ethics.
Deaver was celebrated and scorned as an expert at media manipulation for focusing on how the president looked as much as what the president said.
This innocuous little man was the innovator of the then new found Republican success of style over substance?
But not atypically for that political party, he apparently had a little problem with ethics as his conviction on perjury charges relating to investigating his lobbying activities with administration officials attests. (In other words, paying people off with dirty money to get what you want.)
And, rather than taking advantage of an opportunity to raise the ethics bar, and rather than clean up their own house in the ensuing decades, as anyone who cares to look can see, not only was this trait of lying and corruption to become a GOP mainstay for the next 25 years, the party actually lowered the bar with new and repeated scandals, rampant corruption and a host of morality issues.
Family values, whining about moral equivalency and pro-life slogans notwithstanding, many of the “leaders” of this new Republican Party and their enablers, have proven over a very considerable period of time that, in reality, they are anything but.
This (and that little quagmire overseas) cost them the elections last November. Will it cost them this time around too?
There are so many of the faithful sheep out there, and the Democratic Party is also such an abysmal mess, only time will tell.
By Sadie
August 19, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
If you think about it God does not want us to help the homeless. The homeless are paying the price of their fathers sins. Christians prayed and God acted. We might inadvertently show mercy to those that are being punished by God.
DO NOT FEED THE HOMELESS.
By Redneck Convert
August 19, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
Well, me and the missus took our church program from this morning down to the Locos in Alpharetta and showed it and got 2 for 1 wings, along with a couple PBRs. The service at the Church of Holiness was real good, it had Ella Mae Loudermilk singing and backed up by her brother Gilbert on the guitar. The Revrend Postlewaite was kind of dry, but most people stayed awake thru it. I didn’t see Sister Dusty there but I guess she had a bad hangover and didn’t feel up to it.
I wish Wooten would kick this Pope guy off of this blog. All he does is throw off on us godly rednecks. Wanting dogs to eat us and such. He’s as bad as this God Hates Trash guy. We need to get rid of all the libruls here. That includes getalife and Curious Observer and JK and Corky and the whole bunch. This is a conservative blog and libruls ain’t welcome here. Let them start their own blog. Nobody wants to hear from them.
I guess jbmlaw and TFTT is still at church. You got to pray alot before you start talking about kicking the lazy and poor and sick people in the rear and making them pay for their own doctoring and such and leave us good Christians alone to make our wallets fatter. God meant us godly conservatives to do good and have plenty of money for lunches and suppers out. But God meant for the bums and Those People and the lazy and sick to have a hard time of it till they go to work for us.
Anyway, I’m sure glad I don’t live in Fulton County and pay the taxes that make all of Those People rich off of feeding at the public trough. Up here in Forsyth County we don’t have many of Those People and we put our money into more roads and such. Maybe more of the good white Christian people will break off of Fulton County the way Sandy Springs and Johns Creek and Milton done. You can only put up with so much. Then Those People will need to find some other way to rip taxpayers off.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife August 19, 2007 11:02 AM Watch the debate on ABC to get informed and stop spewing uninformed rhetoric.}}}}
al-Gitmo: I thought al-Gore said the debate was “over” and that the science was “settled?”
Whatever could the dems be “debating?”
Oh, and I’ll bet ABC is just asking the most hardball, deep penetrating questions.
I suspect, matter of fact I know, this was just another panderfest:
{{{{All but former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel and Obama opposed the idea of paying teachers incentives. “I actually think that we can implement a performance-based system that teachers buy into, but I don’t think it can be imposed on teachers. I think it has to be one that is developed with teachers,” Obama said.}}}}
Why, give the teachers more money in exchange for their votes, how did I not think of that?
I guess dumping more tax money on the problem will reap huge successes, probably.
But then again, I always thought that if we set forth some standards like if you have 1% or more of your students graduating your class as functional illiterates and politically correct parrots, then we would fire your as-s.
That would be too simple, huh?
Always count on a lib to complicate the most simple, straight forward things and make them totally unworkable and monumental failures.
For instance, while we have this otherwise beautiful day obscured by smog from our coal burning power plants and miners are dying, actual deaths not some boogeyman maybe death, actual deaths from mining coal, we have only you libs and your nuclear power scare mongering to thank, a technology that has killed exactly zero Americans.
Thanks a million.
By @@
August 19, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
Aaawwww, poor PoliFore a/k/a Sadie. Cue up the violins.
Exposure makes you shrivel doesn’t it?
No hecklers allowed when PoliFore takes the stage, eh?
“Through pride we are ever deceiving ourselves. But deep down below the surface of the average conscience a still, small voice says to us, ‘Something is out of tune.’”
It’s a sour note isn’t it?
By getalife
August 19, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
“See, for the most part, we’re talking about civil Hatch Act violations. And the punishment for civil Hatch Act violations? To be fired from your job. Shall we review the names of those most involved in leading this process?
Rove, Taylor, Mehlman, and Ralston are gone, and Jackson is rumored to be leaving. Add in Monica Goodling, who only admitted to her massive Hatch Act violations after she resigned. So how are you going to hold the White House responsible for its massive Hatch Act violations, if the people involved have already mooted the only punishment available?”
Criminals cut and ran.
Geez.
By @@
August 19, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Speaking of pro-life advocates, let’s take a look at how businesses with a political agenda (liberal) seeks to increase their profits.
Hangups about storage company’s billboard
Whose right to choose? Does the unborn child get a choice?
From a conservative perspective, they’re promoting the individual’s right to bear arms against an unborn child. That coathanger is a weapon.
If you want to look at that billboard from a liberal’s perspective whereby a woman has the choice, then it’s witty…it’s edgey…it’s innovative…it’s cool.
Bottom line, they want your business and they’ll go to any lengths to get your it.
Duh!!!
Outta here.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
Pro choice company.
GFT (Good for them).
By @@
August 19, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Oops! Take the “your” out of that last sentence.
Not later.
By JD
August 19, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
amvet@12:39,
Omit the direct party references and the names then your post could be the same for the Democrat Party.
There are no true conservatives or liberals in Congress or the White House (OK maybe a handful of each, but not enough to matter). Those who claim to be one or the other are, for the most part, just pandering to a voting group.
Those elected are just playing the game in an attempt to insure they are re-elected. This is power for power’s sake and nothing more.
The sheep, as you call them, include you and everyone who even thinks the CongressRats have anything other than their own self-interest on their agenda.
Liberals refuse to recognize tax revenues are at an all-time high (it is the tax cuts stupid) and the conservatives refuse to reduce spending and enforce our laws. My reference to Liberals and Conservatives is to those who claim one or the other as their political position.
Our political system has been high-jacked just as the Federal Reserve was sold out from under us. The only cure I see is a revolution.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
Speaking of tax cuts:
“Bush Admin Spent Millions Of Taxpayer Dollars To Boost GOP”
I want a refund because I do not support the gop.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
The truth about Iraq
Wingnuts,
What are the Dem’s plan for Iraq?
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
From al-Gitmo’s New York Times link, the so called “record” for America’s crybabies:
{{{{In the end, we need to recognize that our presence may have released Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, but that it has also robbed them of their self-respect. They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call us what we are — an army of occupation — and force our withdrawal. Until that happens, it would be prudent for us to increasingly let Iraqis take center stage in all matters, to come up with a nuanced policy in which we assist them from the margins but let them resolve their differences as they see fit. This suggestion is not meant to be defeatist, but rather to highlight our pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities.}}}}
Ummm, what do they think we are trying to do?
You can’t really blame the authors of the article for their confusion, after all, the read the New York Times.
Perhaps we should get them a subscription to the Washington Times so that they can know what is going on in the world, no?
By getalife
August 19, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
duh,
They are Sergeants serving in Iraq.
Tell me again why you are even the least bit credible? Geez.
By AmVet
August 19, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
JD, it appears that you took umbrage to my comments about the sheep in the GOP. As I have no inkling who you are, I don’t get it, but nonetheless, I see it happen here often.
Yet, you agree with me on the crux of my argument, and my oft-made point about a near complete dearth of true conservatives and how that negatively impacts America.
And like me, it is clear that you believe that the two political parties have put themselves first and the nation second. Which is another argument I have made repeatedly.
I don’ think the answers to the many problems in this country can be found any longer in liberalism. At least not as it exists in its extremist form today.
And IMHO only more and bigger problems are being created by the neo-conservatives in the GOP.
To me, there are two possibilities left - a vital conservative movement that eschews most of what Reaganism and the ensuing 25 years have wrought. Or a strong independent party that can function as a mediator between the two extremes and inherently self-serving incompetence of the existing political parties.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife August 19, 2007 4:01 PM duh, They are Sergeants serving in Iraq.}}}}
al-Gitmo: Correct me if I’m wrong but foreign policy is made in Washington.
Maybe these dudes could stick to their area of expertise and report back to the NY Times that this is a “war for oil” that we just haven’t gotten around to stealing yet, although it’s been four some years now.
Or maybe they could explain to all of us how foreign Al Qaeda terrorists blowing up innocent women and children can be described as a “civil war.”
It would be good to hear how an obvious portable chemical weapons laboratory got labeled as a helium balloon blower upper, like Saddam was a freaking clown throwing candy at all the Iraqi children.
I don’t know about you but I would love to hear it from them.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
{{{{And we’re allowed to say so. Those who threaten us are shrill and petty dictators incapable of tolerating opinions other than their own. They cannot refute us, so they shout us down. They are a lynch mob in academic robes and anchorman suits.}}}}
Word.
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From Wapo:
{{{{ Is a serious downturn possible? Yes, especially if Washington makes bigger mistakes. If Democrats win the White House by turning against free trade and then pass protectionist laws, they will be pulling a Hoover. China will trade elsewhere. Taxation is another concern. Many lawmakers want to increase taxes to cover Social Security and Medicare shortfalls. Lifting the Social Security cap, so that every dollar of income for higher earners is subject to the payroll tax, seems an easy remedy. Democrats want the Bush income tax cuts to expire. When John Edwards advocated this last month, his words could have been taken out of a Hoover or Roosevelt speech: “it’s time for us to put our economy back in line with our values.” In reality, a combined change in these two levies would be a terrible blow to U.S. competitiveness, a sort of Sarbanes-Oxley of taxation. If China could no longer see a difference between the United States and Europe, it would move more cash into euros. King Dollar might lose its throne. In other words, the great U.S. downturn that everyone fears is possible — if lawmakers get carried away with their own sanctimony. Not because we deserve it.}}}}
Vote Republican, save your money.
By getalife
August 19, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
duh,
Hating on the troops again.
Geez.
You love being lied to by the policy makers in Washington but most real Americans are sick of it.
Your beloved policy makers have screwed up royally and like you, are not man enough to admit it.
No credibility and no accountability.
Cowards, pure and simple.
By Mallory
August 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
The same tards posting to each other 24/7 365.
This blog is toast. Is there one person out there that needs to read one more word from any of them?
One?
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 19, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
{{{{By getalife August 19, 2007 5:58 PM duh, Hating on the troops again.}}}}
al-Gitmo: Pardon me for asking, but how exactly did you get from a simple policy disagreement I had with those soldiers all the way to me “hating on them?”
Are you in control of your faculties? You libs sure do like to stretch reality to the extreme, better known as hysteria.
Besides which, you calling me for hate doesn’t hold much water, not after you took a pass on the real deal:
{{{{By Pimp Racist - Amerikkka’s Real Hater August 19, 2007 11:32 AM Greetings, Klanners. It is We your Pope. Lord, deliver Us from the redneck, send Us more sh-it eating dogs, not less. Amen.}}}}
Unless, of course, you’re the “Pope.”
By artc
August 20, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this
RUN SAM, RUN!!!!
By Mallory
August 20, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
I guess we fooled ‘em.
I just want to thank the cadre of clever clucks (who provide all the nyucks) who pitch in everyday to confound the right (cutthegeez included).
I love that I never asked. You just pitched in. Where do I find such men? (and maybe women?) I gotta figure theres a bunch of youse guys…
That gives me hope for not just this blog, but for our entire country
Indeed our entire planet, for are we all not just children of the universe, and thus share our most spontaneous impulses?
Once again, dont think I dont appreciate your very sophisticated efforts. The exchange with Wooten was priceless. Imagine falling for an old gag like that.. Brilliant!
I guess it really is true: Less is more. Keep it simple.
Again, Dankeshern,
PS. notice how I dont really try to hide my ID, even though I post under aliases.
Why would I do that? Because I think it’s stupid to own an ID. Just post. We’ll read it and judge the thought, not the moron who wrote it, thank you.
Then, if someone replies postively, you’ll know it was your ideas they liked, not the personality you’ve imbued into your stinking ID.
morons.