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DEL.ICIO.USIllegals threat to young Americans?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a possible presidential candidate, unloaded on President Bush and Congress Tuesday for taking an August vacation “while young Americans in our cities are massacred” by illegal immigrants.
The “war here at home” against illegals is “even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Gingrich in a newsletter. “The federal government’s incompetence, timidity and uncoordinated efforts to identify and deport criminal illegal aliens have had devastating consequences for innocent Americans.”
He was referring specifically to the execution-style murders of three college students on a school playground in Newark, N.J. One suspect in the killings, Jose Lachira Cartanza, is an illegal immigrant from Peru who was out on bail on charges of raping a child when the killings occurred. Gingrich said another suspect, an illegal immigrant from Nicaragua with a lengthy arrest record, had been ordered deported in 1993, but never left. The Newark newspaper reported, though, that the suspect had been granted permanent legal resident status in 2001.
A declared presidential candidate, Rudy Giuliani, promised again Tuesday to stop illegal immigration by beefing up border security and by tracking visitors. “We can end illegal immigration: he said. “I promise you, we can end illegal immigration.”
Giuliani would require a tamperproof ID card with fingerprints for foreign workers and students linked a central database that could track arrivals and departures. Guiliani said, too, he would allow a pathway to citizenship only for illegals who report their status, who learn English and who go to the back of the line to apply.
He was responding to criticism from Mitt Romney that as mayor of New York City Giuliani “instructed city workers not to provide information to the federal government that would allow them to enforce the law. New York City was the poster child for sanctuary cities in the country.”
Gingrich called for withdrawing federal assistance to any city, county or state that refuses to participate in checking the status of those who are arrested for committing a felony. Furthermore, he said, “after they finish time for their crime, they will be retained until deported.”
Gingrich wants Bush to call Congress back into special session for three days to pass a bill honoring the three students that would include the federal aid provision, along with an order to the FBI and Homeland Security to outsource development of a system for verifying the status of those arrested for felonies that could be up and running by Jan. 1.
While Gingrich exaggerates the murder-and-mayhem danger posed by illegals, Congress does need to punish “sanctuary cities” by denying federal aid to local governments that refuse to cooperate in the enforcement of federal laws and regulations.
Even before returning to the notion of comprehensive immigration overhaul, there are a number of things that can be done to enforce border security, deport those who commit crimes and those found to have overstayed visas, even before an arrive-and-leave tracking system is perfected.
Gingrich has a good political ear. The tone of his comments tell us a great deal about the country’s frustration in finding ways to come to grips with lackadaisical enforcement of border security and immigration law.
Comments
By RCH
August 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
Sanctuary cities are illegal under Federal Law. Not only should these cities not recieve Federal monies, the victims or families should sue these cities in Federal courts. Fortunally many of these cities are reevaluating their policies. (Va. Beach)
By jbmlaw
August 15, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. As I remind all, immigration is one area where I separate myself from mainstream conservatives. I credit Jim’s morning essay as factually balanced – e.g., “While Gingrich exaggerates the murder-and-mayhem danger posed by illegals…” I simply disagree with the conclusions drawn. I think there is no particular predisposition to crime among our immigrant populations; I thus distinguish a need for “remedies for crime” from “immigration policy.”
I particularly question Jim’s proposed remedy in the unquoted second half of the portion I magnify above, “…Congress does need to punish “sanctuary cities” by denying federal aid to local governments that refuse to cooperate in the enforcement of federal laws and regulations.” If by “failure to cooperate” Jim means “do its work for it,” I find the suggestion repugnant. There is no intelligent reason local governments should enforce any Federal law; I think any conservative should object to conscripting local governments into such unfunded mandates. Of course, to the extent that such a theory of governance could extinguish all Federal aid, I could support the Trojan horse.
In the big scheme, I deem an overstayed visa a crime on a par with driving 56 on I-285. Let’s deport speeders, to cure our traffic gridlock.
By Redneck Convert
August 15, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this
Well, I pert near couldn’t believe my eyes when I seen that woman that shot and kilt her preacher man in the back while he was sleeping just got out after a few days in jail. It’s the night mare of every good Christian redneck that his woman might kill him when he don’t even suspeck it. You never know what’s going on in a woman’s mind. I got to thinking. Maybe some day the missus won’t like the Christmas gift I got her. Like maybe I get her a new electric frying pan when she really wants a new electric can opener. She gets mad but don’t say nothing and waits till I drift off to sleep and just blasts away. Then you have a stone cold dead Redneck Convert that can’t vote twicet any more, oncet in Rome and oncet up here in north Forysth. She prys open my cement vault that I made to keep the Pelousy woman from getting her hands on my money and goes on a big shopping spree. She probly takes in a young redneck or maybe even a illegal Mexican as a boarder at the trailer and gives him all my Skoal and Redman. What we need is more Law and Order. I’m with jbmlaw. Make everything you can get arrested for a Death Penalty case.
Anyway, the only way to get rid of the illegals is to starve them out and make them go back home in order to get something to eat. Old Newt is Right. We can put up about a 100 foot tall fence all across our border with Mexico and put a army of about 5 million men on the border and make the bosses check with the guvmint before they hire anybody. The Mexicans need to be kept from working. They don’t take breaks or days off and they work hard all the time and they make us good Christian rednecks look bad and lazy.
I figure if anybody can figure out how to deal with the illegals Newt can. He was smart enough to wait till his wife was kind of out of it while she was dying in the hospitle from cancer before he served her with divorce papers. So she couldn’t do nothing about it, see? He can come up with a smart scheme for the illegals too.
Like I said before we could deport all the illegals we catch. Us rednecks could just line up our big pickup trucks with the double wheels on the back and haul them off. See, we all buy big pickups. It kind of stands for something only this is mixed company and we can’t really say what it stands for. We would do it for free so it won’t cost the guvmint nothing. A good pickup bed could hold 12 illegals, maybe 17 or 18 if we just throwed the babies in between the men and women. It would be the Christian thing to do. You wouldn’t want to seperate the babies from their parents.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw
I think there is no particular predisposition to crime among our immigrant populations; I thus distinguish a need for “remedies for crime” from “immigration policy.”
At the present time 40% of all Federal inmates are illegal aliens. Say again?
There is no intelligent reason local governments should enforce any Federal law.
Local governments do this on a consistent biases. Your example of 56mph rather than 55mph on highways is enforecement of Federal speed limits.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
I surprised Newt didn’t bring up the time the Frito Bandito stole all his corn chips too. Such shameless demagoguery.
Shouldn’t they make a Chihuaha chew toy out of an image of Newt? (use the taco bell Chihauhau)
By Dennis
August 15, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
Gingrich said, “The ‘war here at home’ against illegals is ‘even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan,’ said Gingrich in a newsletter.”
There is no “war” in this country between the cultures. But there well could be if people like Gingrich continue with such inflamatory language.
A man/woman who is stupid enough to say this has no business being president of this country.
And by way of who’s running for president, NEITHER PARTY HAS ANYONE WORTH VOTING FOR. As usual, Americans will be stuck with whoever the political machines and the corporations put up front.
Congress is no different.
As to, “Gingrich has a good political ear” and the “country’s frustration”, that’s not the country’s frustration at all. AMERRICANS ARE FED UP WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT, pure and simple, and rightly so.
If these past six plus years have shown and produced anything, it’s just HOW CORRUPT OUR GOVERNMENT IS and just how LOW politicians will go to get elected and stay elected.
Most Americans have a “political ear” for that.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Well
August 15, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
No matter what the debate, you have to admit that there is an alarming amount of shootings, killings, drug rings etc. that are commited/run by someone with a “foreign” name. Are all of these people “illegals”? No. Are most of them? Maybe. Are some of them? Definitely!! They are commiting crime after crime after crime throughout the nation! Get rid of the “illegals”…..that would be a start!
By WTF
August 15, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
“Gingrich said another suspect, an illegal immigrant from Nicaragua with a lengthy arrest record, had been ordered deported in 1993, but never left.”
Since Mr. Gingrich resigned as Speaker of the House in 1998, does his line of reasoning on this matter mean that he is also responsible for the tragedy in Newark since the deportation of the Nicaraguan failed to happen when he was holding the Speaker’s gavel? I don’t recall any special sessions of Congress during his tenure on the matter of illegal immigration. Or maybe it did happen and I just can’t find any record of it. Surely Newt isn’t using the personal tragedy of three New Jersey families for his own political gain? Right? I mean, that would be really pathetic.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
Maybe they should make a $7.99 doggie chew toy out of illegal immigrants, man.
That would make them all be doggone!
And then maybe Newt wouldn’t be such a pinched loafer.
See where I’m going with all this? Dogs…Newt….Mexico……chew toys…..loaf pinching…….???
By Tom
August 15, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
By RCH
August 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
Sanctuary cities are illegal under Federal Law. Not only should these cities not recieve Federal monies, the victims or families should sue these cities in Federal courts. Fortunally many of these cities are reevaluating their policies. (Va. Beach)
Boy that was predictable! Ole RCH the Latino hating, racebaiter would be the 1st klansman posting today. Wooten probably gave his favorite ner do well 24/7 blogger a heads up last night. Jim, you too are pitiful. Just have to keep that old race pot boiling don’t you Jim? There should be more folks like the lady who wrote a common sense filled letter to the editor this morning regarding this race driven anti immigrant tirade.
By jbmlaw
August 15, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
Dear RCH @ 9:09, there are extraordinarily few violent Federal crimes or criminals, so a number without context has little meaning to me. If we are imprisoning immigrants for failure to declare a foreign bank account on their tax form, that does not exactly strike fear in my heart. Now if there is some useful information out there, e.g. 40% of all murders are committed by Mexicans, that will give Bill something to chew on.
As to the 55 mph, I think there was never a criminal statute, in contrast to state speeding laws. That “55 mph” was a condition on grant of highway funds beginning in the 1970s. Many of us also thought that a stupid law even then, so if you wish to compare it to our statutes on immigration I would be hard pressed to disagree.
By Greg
August 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
What I can’t wait to see is all the crocodile tears from all you repliscum when the angry Latino populace hots the polls in mass and cost you dozens of congressional and senate seats. You guys have shot yourself in the foot with this one. Fortunately for this country your racism has overridden your republiscumism and you will pay dearly in close elections. Angry Latinos are conducting voter registration drives all over this country. Get ready redneck bigots. You will pay for your hate in 08. LMAO! ROFL!
By jbmlaw
August 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
Dear RCH, minor correction, I intended to insert the word “Federal” before the word “criminal” in the first sentence of my second paragraph.
By jm
August 15, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
follow the money. Crack down hard on the businesses that hire the illegal workers. I don’t fault the immigrants one bit. They are doing what many of our ancestors did, move to a new land to try and better themselves and their children. If the opportunities are not here, many will not come.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Tom
Please make this statement to the families of those murdered. I am sure they would find comfort in this.
Speaking for myself it does not matter what nationality or race the criminal is, he shouldn’t have been here in the first place. Illegals are colourless criminals.
By Dennis
August 15, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
By WTF August 15, 2007 9:31 AM “Surely Newt isn’t using the personal tragedy of three New Jersey families for his own political gain?”
A “good christian” politician would never do anything like that - never sell out to the Falwells, the Pat Robertsons or the James Dobsons - EXCEPT to get elected.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By TW
August 15, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
How about real accountability for those who hire them?
By Southern Democrat
August 15, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
As per usual on this issue, I agree 100% with Jbmlaw and defer to his superior intelligence and sharper wit in defense of our commonly-held belief.
Many, many moons ago, I student taught in Newark, at a middle school about a mile and a half from where those poor students were shot. It was one of the most frightening and rewarding experiences of my life.
To state that the triple murder could’ve been prevented by enforcement of immigration policies is one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard and is only spoken by those who have never spent time in places like Newark, East St. Louis, Detroit. SE D.C., Baltimore, etc. I think I’ll leave it at that before I fly off the handle.
Like many proposed policies intended to stir up the masses, just about everything Newt suggests would be deemed unconstitutional. Local governments cannot be compelled to enforce and implement federal legislation. Similarly, the idea that states could “retain” illegal immigrants beyond their sentences until the federal government gets around to deporting them is, of course, illegal and unconstitutional (unless they’re transferred to Gitmo…but let’s let that sleeping dog lie).
I do not mean to sound overly soapboxy here, but I think we’ve all (particularly those of us who grew up in the South) been through this before. A well-funded, entrenched, and powerful minority seeks enforcement of Draconian laws targeted at certain persons while others are attempting to protect certain rights guaranteed (most specifically by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments).
I firmly believe that RCH’s and others’ progeny will look askance at their current views and say, “You thought WHAT?”
By Bill
August 15, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
If chinese toys are so dangerous, imagine how dangerous a chinese-made taser would be?
Food for thought? No, chinese food is poison.
Toys from China are poison, the toys are poison….hey! Maybe the chinese made poison is okay to eat!
That’s it! The Chinese adulterate the poison with the good ingredients they should have put in the food and toys.
By time for the truth
August 15, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
Predicktably as ever these worthless should have been aborted racebaiting dogturd leftist liberals are puking up their usual noxious pandering lies and hate America drivel. Despicably ignoring the self evident morally cancerous truths about the unremitting illegal infestation.
Illegal leeches - mostly illegal mexican types - are killing US citizens at an alarming rate. It isn’t just the occasional outrage that even the putrid party of hate far left media inevitably picks up on. illegal leeches are responsible for countless murders, rapes, massive illegal drug smuggling, child sexual abuse, gangbanging killings, countless millions of crimes against US citizens - including millions of identity theft crimes - and many many other outrages. Including voter fraud, billions in welfare fraud, refusal to obey virtually all US laws. including motoring laws and of course immigration laws.
ALL illegal leeches - from ALL COUNTRIES - need to be rounded up and deported immediately.
I TOLD YOU SO - I TOLD YOU SO - I TOLD YOU SO …
black crime and black killers are the SINGLE BIGGEST murderous problem in the US. Yet the snouts in the racial spoils trough black racists and bigots sullenly say nothing about it - and do even less to prevent blacks from killing and being killed in obscene numbers. demoNcrats are racists - its overwhelmingly demoNcrat “run” cities where the black killing fields are the most bloody and again the sullen, lemming like silence - from black so called leaders is abjectly pathetic. And bloated human sewage like the feminazi traitor pelosibitch and corrupt to the core surrender monkey dingy h reid are no better than the KKK - allowing blacks to wallow in their hippety hop blood soaked killing fields.
liberal racists and the racist black racial spoils need to be expunged from the USA so normal decent black folks do NOT have to live in fear in their drive by, gangbanging, car jacking, vicious predator crime ridden hoods.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809202217.9us2orhu&show_article=1
By DebbieDoRight
August 15, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
RCH: Sanctuary cities are illegal under Federal Law. Not only should these cities not recieve Federal monies, the victims or families should sue these cities in Federal courts. Fortunally many of these cities are reevaluating their policies.
I find that very amusing that you, (and Wooten) said that. Just a few weeks ago, you claimed that the Douglas DA could not be prosecuted for child pornography because under GA Law he had to distribute the tapes because of the GA Freedom of information act. You stated that the FEDERAL government did not outrank the LOCAL/State government’s mandates and laws!!
NOW though, you’ve done a 180!!! So, in essence, if it’s something you agree with it’s OK for the feds to jump in, if it’s not; the feds shouldn’t stick their noses in the local/state’s business!!! WOW!! Repuglicanism mindset at its best!!!
By Donald
August 15, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
Let Newt the poot (sheweee!!!) keep excreting his republishi$ to the racist right. Pander his azz off. Maybe Mr. “family values” will get enough trash to crawl out of the can that he will be nominated as the candidate of the racist right and the rest of us will get to put a landslide of record proportions on the republiscat party in 08. Just kill it off for good.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat
Murders happen everywhere, everyday. But your statement is false. This gentleman had other pending charges against him, his bail was reduced, and it was known he was an illegal alien. He never should have been in this country and he should have never been given bail( flight risk)If he was in jail or not present those 3 would still be alive today.
Cities like Newark do not contact ICE due to Sanctuary status. How do you expect the Federal Government to know he is in custody?
By Joe
August 15, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
I agree and disagree with things that Gingrich and others have said. However, what so many people posting here fail to recognize is that there is “illegal activity” and there is “illegal”.
Yesterday’s paper reported that 60+% of illegals here send money earned here back to their home country to take care of their families. Mexico’s GNP is largely dependent on remittances from illegals in the U.S. In fact, without the remittances Mexico’s economy could collapse.
What does that mean? It means that while the U.S. does not support assistance for U.S. citizens in the form of protected manufacturing jobs (they encourage U.S. companies to send those jobs overseas via tax breaks and incentives), the U.S. government DOES support the entire nation of Mexico - literally….
Further, President Bush (who I, sadly, voted for the first time round) believes that illegals have a right to be granted amnesty (they won’t be going to jail for illegally being here will they? So it’s amnesty.) AND he regularly fights for illegals to have rights in this country.
True, most illegals are hard working and law abiding. But ultimately they don’t LEGALLY pay taxes and the companies that hire them don’t pay employment taxes for them, so the companies are getting off easy AND our Social Security, Medicare and State governments are saddled with providing (eventually) more money going out than the amount of money coming in.
Finally, let me ask all of you who ardently support the illegals…are you prepared to learn Spanish and have our government converted to the style government that operates (with constant turmoil and revolutions) in Central and South America?
Given the current influx rates of illegals from Latin America, we can expect in twenty years to have a nation of more than 75% latins. The government will certainly change to the type currently in those countries and we will be paying huge taxes to support low income and uneducated masses. We will likely be forced to convert to speaking Spanish.
Think about your kids, or your friend’s kids….
By DebbieDoRight
August 15, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Dennis: There is no “war” in this country between the cultures. But there well could be if people like Gingrich continue with such inflamatory language.
That’s how repuglicans operate, they provide sanctuary for the dumbest, most racist, most hate filled in our society. Who do you think the KKK, Neo Nazis, etc. votes with? I sure can’t see them voting for Obama and heck let’s face it; in our lifetime there’ll never be a minority, (or female), repuglican nominee for president.
A man/woman who is stupid enough to say this has no business being president of this country.
Unfortunately Jim Crowe went to college and is now James Crowe Esquire — he knows the correct thing to say when asked, but he also knows what he’s gonna do when given the opportunity.
By getalife
August 15, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
The real patriotic Americans have been outraged with w and cheney for 6 years.
Newt is late to the party and his party has destroyed this country.
The US government is on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon, the country’s top government inspector has warned
Nice work wingnuts.
Geez.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
The only toy not recalled by mattel is the chinese made toy model of the Space Shuttle. (new definition of irony much?)
This public relations disaster from the chinese toy industry (and dog food industry) is a valuable insight into how corrupt the communist system is.
With so many billions at stake, and now lost, it’s seems unfathomable that China could not stop itself from adulterating the food and poisoning the toys with cheaper, illegal ingredients just to make more money.
Chinese capitalism sprang up from the communist bureaucracy and those people could no longer trade justly than they could embrace God. Godless communism. China is a stinking contraption of cogs and gears all joined together in a criminal wheel of fortune.
How hot would a chinese Vanna White be, though?
By DebbieDoRight
August 15, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
Tom: Jim, you too are pitiful. Just have to keep that old race pot boiling don’t you Jim?
He HAD to come up with something, his blog numbers were way down yesterday so he had to pull out that old race card, (you know how repuglicans LOVE to do that), to get the bloggership back up today. Don’t say I didn’t warn you yesterday!!
Good thing he got the “heads up” on Newt’s comments or he would’ve had to actually write something that would’ve required thought and research!
By getalife
August 15, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
What about these murders Newt?
“Suicide attacks in Iraq kill over 200 people:
Rescuers dug through the muddy wreckage of collapsed clay houses in northwest Iraq on Wednesday, uncovering victims of four suicide bombings that Iraqi officials said killed at least 200 people in one of the worst attacks of the war.”
Nice work wingnuts.
Geez.
By Your humble id thief
August 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
It was predicted in this space yesterday that Wooten would have a more combustible topic today in order to push his comments up.
Hats off to the sage seer.
By getalife
August 15, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
Iranian Unit to Be Labeled ‘Terrorist’
U.S. Moving Against Revolutionary Guard
Send your kids to Canada wingnuts, there is a draft coming.
Geez.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
They should make a $7.99 chew toy out of the space shuttle and name the dog ravaging it “Launch”. (cause that’s what any launch does to any spacecraft so configured as the idiot’s delight space shuttle, which is, believe it or not, a spaceship with wings. Like flash gordon or starwars where they show the spaceships banking into turns in space like jet fighters. and Three rockets instead of one for a launch? Three times the chances to go boom? What a concept. How did that design get off the drawing board without someone slapping the fool silly?)
Rocket scientists.
They should make a $7.99 doggie chew toy out of rocket scientists, man.
By Southern Democrat
August 15, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
RCH,
I think you missed my point. First, you are forgetting that there were 3 other people involved in the Newark murders who, to the best of my knowledge, were aliens only in the sense that the world of urban blight they live in is completely unfamiliar to 98% of Americans. So, your statement that some mythical hyperenforcement of illegal immigration would have prevented the murders is inaccurate. Further, it certainly would not have prevented the over 60 murders that had already taken place in Newark THIS YEAR. If you want the proximate cause for Carranzas (I believe that’s his name) being on the streets, it is jail overcrowding in New Jersey (which is the direct result of hyperenforcement of Draconian laws).
By getalife
August 15, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Government Spy Satellites To Be Used On Americans
Geez.
By DebbieDoRight
August 15, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
Cities like Newark do not contact ICE due to Sanctuary status. How do you expect the Federal Government to know he is in custody?
One word: Computers.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight
More and more of these acts are now appearing on conservative leaning news outlets. You will never hear about them in the main street media. Why. It doesn’t further their” hard, working, poor immigrant cause.
Of course it would be different if it was your child or relative. You would be screaming to high heaven if that was the case.
I believe you will find it very difficult to convince individual that those who are illegally, and are convicted felons or in the criminal justice system at this time that they should not be deported. Even a naturalized citizen who commits a felony can be deported.
By time for the truth
August 15, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
the hysterical racebaitingbitch crackpipe debbieturd has puked up yet another magical deranged racist hissy fit!!!
ITS BLACKS and illegal mexican types who are disproportionately killing US citizens. demoNcrat sanctuary cities - are ILLEGAL - this murderous illegal mexican type leech in Newark should have been deported years ago for previous crimes - not insanely freed on reduced bail by some despicable pandering judge on a child rape charge.
KKKlansman D Byrd, the blackracistbitch Sinthia McKKKiney. Sheeelah Jackkkksonpee, the blackracistbitch M Waters, the dumbaspigsh!t J Conyers, thw blackracistBilly bigot Campbell, the race hate group the naacp, the race hate arson murder inspiring Sharptongue, the blacKKK panthers - old and new, the traitor ward churchill, the DUI killer kennedy, the arkansas rapist sick willie KKKlinton who constantly used the term “n iggers” in his gubernatorial limo according to his assigned state troopers, the entire demoNcrat party of hate that divides this country into sullen warring factions … grasping racial spoils blacks, shrill mincing queers, rabid feminazis, illegal parasitic mexican type leeches, yellowbellied cut and run traitors, unhinged global whining liars - and on and on … this is the “sanctuary” for the real hate in America today!!
By Bill
August 15, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
They should make a doggie chew toy out of spy sattelites, man.
By Jay
August 15, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
For those of you who support unlimited undocumented immigration to the U.S.: Why do you think the benefits of such a policy would outweight the costs? Help me out.
By getalife
August 15, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
“Bush retreats back to Crawford — the 2007 edition
The president, firm in his resolve against “al Qaeda in Iraq,” heads toward another August break in Crawford with another year of failure and cynical employment of terrorist threats under his belt.”
Mmmm, I have a very strong feeling of deja vu.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight
One of the biggest problems law enforcement faces today is the interfacing of data banks concerning illegal activities. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. The information is not shared.
Sanctuary cities do not even imput any data on illegals thus making it impossible for the Federal Government to know an illegal has been detained.
Southern Democrat As my above blog stated , these type of situations are happening more often than not.Not all murders can be prevented, but some that contain the element of illegal aliens can. If they were not here they could not commit the crime. I am sure the families of the victims would agree.
By getalife
August 15, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
Told ya wingnuts are terrorists who should be in Gitmo
Geez.
By Southern Democrat
August 15, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
Jay,
I, for one, certainly do not support “unlimited, undocumented immigration,” but would point you to any economics casebook that demonstrates the need for a society with an aging population and a steady/declining birthrate to have an influx of new workers. If we wish to compete with rising industrial powers (a reenergized EU, China, India, etc.), we need more workers.
On a less practical level, I would point you to the fact that we are a nation built on immigrants.
As to an above comment criticizing Mexican-Americans and Mexicans residing here for sending money back to Mexico, what happened to that tightly held conservative belief of “let me do with my money what I want”? Also, where is the outrage at your trillions of tax dollars that have been sent directly to Egypt and Israel since 1980?
By Johnny Reb
August 15, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this
I agree with some of you guys and disagree with others. Same way with Pewt. Some of what states I agree with. All illegal aliens are not criminals, but they need to step up and be a good citezen and get legal. It is that simple. If you commit a crime you sit you a** in jail until you are deported and yes we do need a time frame when they stop living off the tax payers and sitting in jail. Two weeks sounds good to me, if they come back and caught again, hang’em. You had your chance and you p** it away, YOU did that not us. Get legal and stay legal. Come into this country legal, live by the laws of this country and speak the language of THIS country. If you don’t like it here the go home. If you stay and do as you should, enjoy as the rest do. But please stop squalling about race that card is so out dated and over used. Sound like an ole I love Lucy show rerun Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! So if all you got a race card, pick your cards and go home. Where ever that meybe.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat
I also believe in the roll of the immigrant. No matter from where or what race they may represent. But as you yourself stated, I am for the controlled, documented, and screened influx of individuals. Not the current mess that we have.
I always hear we are a nation of immigrants. That is true; so is that we all came here legally.
Illegal criminal aliens or even naturalized criminals should not be allowed to reside here in the U.S with law abiding citizens.
By Curious Observer
August 15, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
I’m less worried about the criminal threat posed by illegal immigrants than I am about the poisons being exported from China.
You may be aware of the altered pet food and the lead-loaded paint on toys, but consider what happened in Panama recently. A 2006 Chinese shipment of many barrels of poisonous diethylene glycol, passed off as 99.5% pure glycerine, wound up in 260,000 bottles of cough syrup marketed in Panama. Thus far, the Panamanians have attributed 365 deaths to the cough syrup. US public health agencies have been involved in the investigation.
Why aren’t we being protected from the poisons manufactured by China? Why do we have enough DHS people to start cracking down on employers of illegal aliens, but not enough FDA employees to inspect consumable goods being imported from China?
So long as politicians can capitalize on hysteria generated over the presence of illegal aliens, our health and lives will continue to be threatened by a real menace. We are being stupid enough to look to where a politician is pointing, while we are being kicked in the butt by a real threat. It is ludicrous for this Republican administration to talk about cracking down on illegal workers—workers the same administration gave a wink and a nod to the law about for more than six years, even arguing for their immediate legalization—while claiming that there is simply no money to pay for federal employees to inspect our food and medical imports.
And if you think those toys coated with lead-based paint are minor items, maybe you need to Google the metal lead and read about what only a miniscule amount of it can do to retard the development of a child.
Some of you need to wake up before you sit down to your Chinese-adulterated dinners tonight. There is no quick fix for the problem posed by illegal immigrants, but there is one for the problem of toxic Chinese exports. Your chances of being lined up and executed by illegal immigrants are minimal in comparison.
By Jay
August 15, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
“I, for one, certainly do not support ‘unlimited, undocumented immigration’…”
But that’s what we have now and those who speculate the dangers of this policy are often labeled as racists.
“If we wish to compete with rising industrial powers (a reenergized EU, China, India, etc.), we need more workers.”
I agree, but why should they all come from Mexico illegally when we have more highly skilled workers from other parts of the world waiting in droves to come here legally? Doesn’t that seem unfair and illogical?
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
August 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
How dare you accuse Gingrich of exaggerating.
I mean, golly, if he’s exaggerating on this then what other things has he exaggerated on to make a point?
What about other politicans? Are any others exaggerating to make a point or attract attention?
Jim!! Where does it end? Are they all “playing politics”?
By SharonH
August 15, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Ya know………..
If there are two people in this world who I could count on to give less than a silver nickel about the lives of young Black people, I would have sworn that one of them was Newt Gingrich(the other one being you Wooten, of course). Now it turns out that he really, really cares. Who knew?
By RCH
August 15, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
Curious Observer
I agree on stricked inspection of goods from all countries to insure public safety.
But lets look at the score card. Deaths caused by these products to humans in the U.S vs. Deaths and other major felonies caused by illegal aliens within the U.S.
It isn’t even close.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
I agree to disagree with the ones that Johnny Reb agreed with, but I emphatically and categorically deny that any such agreement is ipso facto an accord with those he disagreed with.
The illegal immigrants are branded outlaws by our fear of the word amnesty. Therefore, let the vigilante live! Form posse’s. Perhaps outsource the posses to islamic countries, and let them import the young unsettled and disenfranchised islamist hoards to hunt down those illegal immigrants who by their very presense insults our security!!!
Viva Islamists Bounty Hunters!!!!.
By getalife
August 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
Losing two occupations and now WWIII starting with Iran.
This is a clear case for preemptive impeachment to stop the madness.
Unless you want the draft.
Geez.
By Donald
August 15, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
By RCH
August 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight
More and more of these acts are now appearing on conservative leaning news outlets. You will never hear about them in the main street media. Why. It doesn’t further their” hard, working, poor immigrant cause.
Maybe that is because unlike the conservative, trash radio, and get the rabble roused conservative media, the mainstream outlets don’t take isolated incidents and overblow the hell out of them to suit some racist, bigot, redneck trash audience that would like nothing more than to go back to the days of Jim Crow to protect the lost cause of maintaining this dreamland white anglo-saxon protestant, westrn European, blond hair blue eyed pipe dream that is going to totally destroy what has become one very perverted conservative cause.
By Really RCH
August 15, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
If you had something intelligent to say then your employer would probably take more interest in what you do all day. Let’s take a bet on how many posts RCH will make by 5:00pm today. It’s an emotion filled topic and I am betting triple digits, 108.
By Lily Toad
August 15, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
No one has asked the really important question — Why the h-ell is Newt getting so much press? He’s a has-been. Newt, if you’re gonna run for President, go ahead and declare. Until then, sit down and shut up.
By Sally G.
August 15, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
CuttheGeez: Unless you predicted a draft in March of 2003 when we went into Iraq, Like I did, then you have no right to talk about no draft now, no siree.
johnny-blow-lately’s R a dime a dozen. get in line, cutthegeez.
By Lily Toad
August 15, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
No one has asked the really important question — Why the h-ell is Newt getting so much press? He’s a has-been. Newt, if you’re gonna run for President, go ahead and declare. Until then, sit down and shut up.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Donald I guess 70% of the nation who were against the immigration fit into your statement: this dreamland white anglo-saxon protestant, westrn European, blond hair blue eyed pipe dream that is going to totally destroy what has become one very perverted conservative cause. It is also strange that these occurrences are happening all more to often, but then that doesn’t count unless it was your home or family.
Really RCH Thank you for you concern. I was on with our Asian markets till 3:00am. I am giving myself a little leeway this morning.
By DebbieDoRight
August 15, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
RCH: More and more of these acts are now appearing on conservative leaning news outlets. You will never hear about them in the main street media. Why. It doesn’t further their” hard, working, poor immigrant cause.
WOW so you’ve finally admitted that Faux News is a “conservative leaning news outlet”!! Well, I guess you’re finally growing up!!
One of the biggest problems law enforcement faces today is the interfacing of data banks concerning illegal activities. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. The information is not shared.
Now this statement that you’ve up here ^^ OBVIOUSLY came from FAux news!! If you’ve been in jail in any of the 46 of the 50 states, your DNA is registered on line. If you’ve NEVER been to jail but have been arrested, your FINGERPRINTS are on line. If, as it was stated above by Wooten, you’ve been arrested and detained and had an order to be expedited, then your FINGERPRINTS are most definitely on line.
And if they’re not, after 9/11; then why are we paying so much into Homeland Security? To give a Bush crony a job?
By WTF
August 15, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Wooten says “Gingrich has a good political ear.” I guess Speaker Gingrich was hard of hearing during the whole Clinton impeachment debacle which was never supported by the majority of Americans? Perhaps Wooten needs to get his hearing checked if he thinks Newt is anything other than a power hungry megalomaniac willing to capitalize on the deaths of innocent people to get himself elected.
By Lily Toad
August 15, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
We’re not all descendants of “legal immigrants” in this country. First of all, the Indigenous people who were here before the Europeans are not immigrants. The millions of Africans who were brought here forcibly may technically be considered immigrants, but is that really what one thinks of when legal immigration is mentioned? Before the US was formed, many people came here, often evading the law or religous persecution. We weren’t even an English colony at the beginnng. Then criminals and debtors were sent to good ol’ Georgia. Yeah, we have a great past of “legal immigration.”
By Really RCH
August 15, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
RCH was up til 3:00am this morning with his Asian toxic food markets. Bon Apetit!
By Shar
August 15, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten’s headline today is thought-provoking. While the issue of crime, violent and non, by undocumented workers is real, and the specific butchery in Newark is tragic and infuriating, the “threat to young Americans” posed by illegal immigration is more institutional than episodic.
Non-English speakers outnumber English speakers in the urban school districts of the American SouthWest by a high proportion. These students require many special services, all costly and all paid for by taxpayers, that have siphoned away support for educational initiatives targeted to underpriviledged native populations. The near-universal reliance on emergency rooms for medical care, also taxpayer financed, has meant that the illegal resident waits until a minor problem becomes an expensive crisis before seeking help and has led several of the larger hospitals to close their emergency rooms rather than have to absorb the cost of care. The limitations on emergency care obviously pose a threat to all residents, legal or not. Finally, the depression in wages for jobs that rely on undocumented workers most closely affects low-skilled, poorly educated young urban Americans. These threats, while not as fear-inducing as the slayings in Newark, seem far greater to a larger swath of “young Americans”.
As far as enforcement is concerned, the federal bureaucracy has effectively nullified existing law by refusing to update and merge the databases of SSI and ICE. Mr. Gingrich is close to correct from a technological standpoint - the error rate could be significantly cut and the data merged by private companies within his timeframe, or close thereto. That is the last thing that either the Republicans or the Democrats want, however. This way, they can advance various feel-good plans for controlling immigraton without risking any effect, a politican’s dream.
The process could be brutally and efficiently shortened by equalizing the treatment of those who report tax evaders (and receive a sizeable chunk of the proceeds as a whistleblower’s reward) with reporters of undocumented workers. I’m not sure that any of us are prepared for the consequences of that level of bounty-hunting, though.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight
The National Criminal Intelligence Plan, which would connect all States, Federal and local jurisdictions still only ties 13% of available data to each other. That is not a good percentage. It still does not address sanctuary cities that do not report illegal aliens.
Actually the execution deaths where reported by the NYT. It is when you see these murders brought together under one roof, you see the proliferation of these crimes.
By Sam Shoemaker
August 15, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
By RCH
August 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Donald I guess 70% of the nation who were against the immigration fit into your statement: this dreamland white anglo-saxon protestant, westrn European, blond hair blue eyed pipe dream that is going to totally destroy what has become one very perverted conservative cause. It is also strange that these occurrences are happening all more to often, but then that doesn’t count unless it was your home or family.
No idiot, what he is saying is that 70% of WHITE America being against something won’t save your racist trash party come election time when all the angry minorities get their chance to be heard. As for your “asian market” statement RCH, when are you going to get a grip, get in touch with reality, downgrade that legend in your own mind affliction that you have and realize that everyone on this blog knows that you are a ner do well 24/7 blogger with delusions of grandeur. You are one screwed up mess RCH. You need to see a shrink. What a fraud.
By NYgal
August 15, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Um, doesn’t Newt have a wife to leave? Isn’t it that time again where he trades up to a newer model? Surprised he has the time to dabble in opportunism again.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
Really RCH
Obviously you have never been to Asia.
By Lily Toad
August 15, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
My paranoid schizophrenic step-brother who is now committed to a mental institution at various times claimed to be a vice president of an Australian shipping firm, or a corporate vice president of CNN, and was so convincing that judges believed him.
By Sally G.
August 15, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
Google Yazidi. Read. Fear the Kurds.
By Gepeto
August 15, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Hey Pinocchio! (RCH) That nose of yours gets longer with every post. Pretty soon your arms won’t be long enough to open a door without turning your head sideways. You have got to be the most pitiful human being most of us have ever encountered.
By BS Aplenty
August 15, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
The Demo-erratic nutters literally come out of the woodwork when Newt Gingrich makes a public pronouncement on immigration or anything else. The level of unbridled vitriol against Gingrich is a telling barometer of just how well he can seize and defend a political argument against liberal nutcases.
Immigration in this county should occur in a legal, balanced & responsible way. Anything else is just somebody hiding a political agenda.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Sam
Are you forgetting it was that percentage of African Americans that responded that way. Are they no longer a minority. I forgot, they are no longer the largest minority.
It seems to me that the Democrates controlled Congress, but maybe our voices where so loud they had no choice but listen.
Going to Dusseldorf in Oct.Debbiedoright, anything I can bring you? You were born there were you not? till have your German citizenship?
By Ms. Redneck Convert
August 15, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Dayum Larry. All ya do is blab about the gubmint and those people on dis here machine. You keep ignorn me and imma fix ya real good. Imma keep bard the nehbors machine and if you won’t get rite, then this sugar goin to that tall dark fella at the post offic.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Google Yazidi. Kurds are maniacs.
By Sam
August 15, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Show us those numbers in print RCH. Until you do it is just another of your multitude of lies.
By Jackie
August 15, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
The neo-cons need to decide if they want a draft, attack Iran or impeach Dubya. It is ironic that their proverbial chickens have come home to roost. The lies, the duplicity and obfuscation is staring them in the face and they refuse accept the reality. The neo-cons will have to stand up and take their medicine because their circular logic has come back to kick them.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Google Yazidi.
The Key to Iraq is the Kurds.
Believe in the Peacock.
By Tom
August 15, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
RCH, if you think in your wildest dreams that the immigration issue will win the republicans a single black vote you are more deeply entrenched in your world of delusion then any of us previously thought. Not only will blacks never vote republican in any substancial number, but now you have lost the largest minority which could have been an opportunity for the republican party but one that is now gone for generations to come. By the way. You are still an idiot. Post on oh stupid one!
By Susan
August 15, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
RCH is starting to sound like a Forrest Gump without the success or the charm. And that’s all I’m gonna say about that. What a nimrod!
By Bill
August 15, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Worship the Peacock!
Yazidi Rules!
By Bill
August 15, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
today i’m still a turd. word.
By getalife
August 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
“Under the Collins campaign’s own rules, anything written in the comments of a blog is representative of those who run the blog.
So since the Maine Web Report is run by Collins’ director of online communications, we can say this comment essentially came out of Susan Collins’ mouth:
Arthur Frain, Portland ME Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.”
And they say kos is a hate site but it is the gop’s ugly, pathetic, treasonous mind set.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Sam
A New York Times/CBS poll conducted from May 18-23, 2007 of 1,125 African American adults found that:
82% believe that the U.S could be doing more to keep illegal immigrants from crossing the border. 81% feel that illegal immigration is either a very serious (61%) or somewhat serious (30%) issue. 75% think that most of the people who have moved to United States in the last few years are here illegally. 75% agree with imposing hirer fines on employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. 70% believe that illegal immigrants do more to weaken the economy because they don’t pay taxes and use public services. 69% feel that illegal immigrants should be prosecuted for being in the U.S. illegally. 60% disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the immigration issue. 45% (a plurality) believe that a guest worker program would eventually increase the illegal immigration population in the United States because workers would over-stay their visas. 35% (a plurality) think that in the long run immigration will make society worse.
So who now is the bigot and racist?
By Bill
August 15, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Google Yazidi.
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Google Yazidi. Dont be such an ignominious ignoramant, people.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
I SAID WORSHIP THE PEACOCK!!!
By RCH
August 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Tom
RCH, if you think in your wildest dreams that the immigration issue will win the republicans a single black vote you are more deeply entrenched in your world of delusion then any of us previously thought.
I never said that. My reference was to those who thought it was a white issue.See Statistics above.
By Bill
August 15, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
I SAID I WORSHIP THE C_OCK!!!
By Bill
August 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
To understand why the surge is a red herring you need to understand the peacock. Google Yazidi.
You’ll know what’s dead ahead for US troops in Iraq.
By Susan
August 15, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
RCH, more bobbing and weaving huh? You sir are an imbecile.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
Susan These numbers came up numerous times during the immigration debate. Where were you. I guess name calling is the only response left open to you.
By jbmlaw
August 15, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
Dear Southern @ 10:08, after reviewing your eloquence and breadth of scope, I would hope you would never defer to anything I write.
Dear Jay @ 10:49, I am the only unlimited open-immigrationist on the blog. You ask, “Why do you think the benefits of such a policy would outweight the costs? Help me out.” The short answer is, for pure economic reasons. Those people who want to be here do not come here for welfare benefits; they come here to work, to make a fortune. The individual and collective economic contributions of our immigrant populations are almost certainly (no, I don’t have data to back it up) greater than that of our native population on a per capita basis; in contrast, their use of infrastructure (soft and hard) is a much lower burden that that generated by our native population. If there are unreasonable costs inflicted by our government (did I really ask “if?”) the solution is to reform those unreasonable programs, not to penalize our most efficient workers.
Dear Shar @ 11:58, I cannot determine where you stand. Do you wish tighter restrictions on immigration or not? I ask only because of the regard I hold for your analytical skills, but after reading your analysis I could not draw a conclusion.
Dear Jackie the Jew-baiter @ 12:37, glad to see you back with such a sharply-focused examination of immigration issues. This is your most analytical post yet. Since the covert neo-conservative movement is pro-immigration, your analysis clearly breaks new ground.
By WalterHill
August 15, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
RCH, the main point that morons like you are missing here is the fact that in spite of all the hype, spin, and outright propoganda surrounding the immigration issue, this issue is going to be the straw that breaks the back of the republican party. In every locale in this country where there is a close election with Latinos being the swing vote, republicans are going to lose. But until then RCH, cretins like you can get another chaw, light another Marlboro, crack open another can of Bud, belch, fart, and feel all good about your ignorant selves over these p** little propoganda battles you THINK that you have won, when the reality is that in the end you will lose the war big time. Redneck republican jackazzes like you RCH are God’s gift to the democratic party.
By ScamVet
August 15, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
To those who care, I was delayed getting on my raft to Cuba. Fidel said my “boat” used empty milk jugs and anti-freeze containers and could pose an environmental threat to Cuba.
Like I’m lowering the environmental standards in Cuba!! They got cars been around since 1952 and blow out more lead than U.S. Steel.
Hey. at least I get free healthcare.
By RCH
August 15, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
Getalife Thought you would find this very interesting.
WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began. Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total