Thinking Right

By RCH

August 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Sanctuary cities are illegal under Federal Law. Not only should these cities not recieve Federal monies, the victims or families should sue these cities in Federal courts. Fortunally many of these cities are reevaluating their policies. (Va. Beach)

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. As I remind all, immigration is one area where I separate myself from mainstream conservatives. I credit Jim’s morning essay as factually balanced – e.g., “While Gingrich exaggerates the murder-and-mayhem danger posed by illegals…” I simply disagree with the conclusions drawn. I think there is no particular predisposition to crime among our immigrant populations; I thus distinguish a need for “remedies for crime” from “immigration policy.”

I particularly question Jim’s proposed remedy in the unquoted second half of the portion I magnify above, “…Congress does need to punish “sanctuary cities” by denying federal aid to local governments that refuse to cooperate in the enforcement of federal laws and regulations.” If by “failure to cooperate” Jim means “do its work for it,” I find the suggestion repugnant. There is no intelligent reason local governments should enforce any Federal law; I think any conservative should object to conscripting local governments into such unfunded mandates. Of course, to the extent that such a theory of governance could extinguish all Federal aid, I could support the Trojan horse.

In the big scheme, I deem an overstayed visa a crime on a par with driving 56 on I-285. Let’s deport speeders, to cure our traffic gridlock.

By Redneck Convert

August 15, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Well, I pert near couldn’t believe my eyes when I seen that woman that shot and kilt her preacher man in the back while he was sleeping just got out after a few days in jail. It’s the night mare of every good Christian redneck that his woman might kill him when he don’t even suspeck it. You never know what’s going on in a woman’s mind. I got to thinking. Maybe some day the missus won’t like the Christmas gift I got her. Like maybe I get her a new electric frying pan when she really wants a new electric can opener. She gets mad but don’t say nothing and waits till I drift off to sleep and just blasts away. Then you have a stone cold dead Redneck Convert that can’t vote twicet any more, oncet in Rome and oncet up here in north Forysth. She prys open my cement vault that I made to keep the Pelousy woman from getting her hands on my money and goes on a big shopping spree. She probly takes in a young redneck or maybe even a illegal Mexican as a boarder at the trailer and gives him all my Skoal and Redman. What we need is more Law and Order. I’m with jbmlaw. Make everything you can get arrested for a Death Penalty case.

Anyway, the only way to get rid of the illegals is to starve them out and make them go back home in order to get something to eat. Old Newt is Right. We can put up about a 100 foot tall fence all across our border with Mexico and put a army of about 5 million men on the border and make the bosses check with the guvmint before they hire anybody. The Mexicans need to be kept from working. They don’t take breaks or days off and they work hard all the time and they make us good Christian rednecks look bad and lazy.

I figure if anybody can figure out how to deal with the illegals Newt can. He was smart enough to wait till his wife was kind of out of it while she was dying in the hospitle from cancer before he served her with divorce papers. So she couldn’t do nothing about it, see? He can come up with a smart scheme for the illegals too.

Like I said before we could deport all the illegals we catch. Us rednecks could just line up our big pickup trucks with the double wheels on the back and haul them off. See, we all buy big pickups. It kind of stands for something only this is mixed company and we can’t really say what it stands for. We would do it for free so it won’t cost the guvmint nothing. A good pickup bed could hold 12 illegals, maybe 17 or 18 if we just throwed the babies in between the men and women. It would be the Christian thing to do. You wouldn’t want to seperate the babies from their parents.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw

I think there is no particular predisposition to crime among our immigrant populations; I thus distinguish a need for “remedies for crime” from “immigration policy.”

At the present time 40% of all Federal inmates are illegal aliens. Say again?

There is no intelligent reason local governments should enforce any Federal law.

Local governments do this on a consistent biases. Your example of 56mph rather than 55mph on highways is enforecement of Federal speed limits.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

I surprised Newt didn’t bring up the time the Frito Bandito stole all his corn chips too. Such shameless demagoguery.

Shouldn’t they make a Chihuaha chew toy out of an image of Newt? (use the taco bell Chihauhau)

By Dennis

August 15, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Gingrich said, “The ‘war here at home’ against illegals is ‘even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan,’ said Gingrich in a newsletter.”

There is no “war” in this country between the cultures. But there well could be if people like Gingrich continue with such inflamatory language.

A man/woman who is stupid enough to say this has no business being president of this country.

And by way of who’s running for president, NEITHER PARTY HAS ANYONE WORTH VOTING FOR. As usual, Americans will be stuck with whoever the political machines and the corporations put up front.

Congress is no different.

As to, “Gingrich has a good political ear” and the “country’s frustration”, that’s not the country’s frustration at all. AMERRICANS ARE FED UP WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT, pure and simple, and rightly so.

If these past six plus years have shown and produced anything, it’s just HOW CORRUPT OUR GOVERNMENT IS and just how LOW politicians will go to get elected and stay elected.

Most Americans have a “political ear” for that.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Well

August 15, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

No matter what the debate, you have to admit that there is an alarming amount of shootings, killings, drug rings etc. that are commited/run by someone with a “foreign” name. Are all of these people “illegals”? No. Are most of them? Maybe. Are some of them? Definitely!! They are commiting crime after crime after crime throughout the nation! Get rid of the “illegals”…..that would be a start!

By WTF

August 15, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

“Gingrich said another suspect, an illegal immigrant from Nicaragua with a lengthy arrest record, had been ordered deported in 1993, but never left.”

Since Mr. Gingrich resigned as Speaker of the House in 1998, does his line of reasoning on this matter mean that he is also responsible for the tragedy in Newark since the deportation of the Nicaraguan failed to happen when he was holding the Speaker’s gavel? I don’t recall any special sessions of Congress during his tenure on the matter of illegal immigration. Or maybe it did happen and I just can’t find any record of it. Surely Newt isn’t using the personal tragedy of three New Jersey families for his own political gain? Right? I mean, that would be really pathetic.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Maybe they should make a $7.99 doggie chew toy out of illegal immigrants, man.

That would make them all be doggone!

And then maybe Newt wouldn’t be such a pinched loafer.

See where I’m going with all this? Dogs…Newt….Mexico……chew toys…..loaf pinching…….???

By Tom

August 15, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

By RCH

August 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Sanctuary cities are illegal under Federal Law. Not only should these cities not recieve Federal monies, the victims or families should sue these cities in Federal courts. Fortunally many of these cities are reevaluating their policies. (Va. Beach)

Boy that was predictable! Ole RCH the Latino hating, racebaiter would be the 1st klansman posting today. Wooten probably gave his favorite ner do well 24/7 blogger a heads up last night. Jim, you too are pitiful. Just have to keep that old race pot boiling don’t you Jim? There should be more folks like the lady who wrote a common sense filled letter to the editor this morning regarding this race driven anti immigrant tirade.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Dear RCH @ 9:09, there are extraordinarily few violent Federal crimes or criminals, so a number without context has little meaning to me. If we are imprisoning immigrants for failure to declare a foreign bank account on their tax form, that does not exactly strike fear in my heart. Now if there is some useful information out there, e.g. 40% of all murders are committed by Mexicans, that will give Bill something to chew on.

As to the 55 mph, I think there was never a criminal statute, in contrast to state speeding laws. That “55 mph” was a condition on grant of highway funds beginning in the 1970s. Many of us also thought that a stupid law even then, so if you wish to compare it to our statutes on immigration I would be hard pressed to disagree.

By Greg

August 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

What I can’t wait to see is all the crocodile tears from all you repliscum when the angry Latino populace hots the polls in mass and cost you dozens of congressional and senate seats. You guys have shot yourself in the foot with this one. Fortunately for this country your racism has overridden your republiscumism and you will pay dearly in close elections. Angry Latinos are conducting voter registration drives all over this country. Get ready redneck bigots. You will pay for your hate in 08. LMAO! ROFL!

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Dear RCH, minor correction, I intended to insert the word “Federal” before the word “criminal” in the first sentence of my second paragraph.

By jm

August 15, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

follow the money. Crack down hard on the businesses that hire the illegal workers. I don’t fault the immigrants one bit. They are doing what many of our ancestors did, move to a new land to try and better themselves and their children. If the opportunities are not here, many will not come.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Tom

Please make this statement to the families of those murdered. I am sure they would find comfort in this.

Speaking for myself it does not matter what nationality or race the criminal is, he shouldn’t have been here in the first place. Illegals are colourless criminals.

By Dennis

August 15, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

By WTF August 15, 2007 9:31 AM “Surely Newt isn’t using the personal tragedy of three New Jersey families for his own political gain?”

A “good christian” politician would never do anything like that - never sell out to the Falwells, the Pat Robertsons or the James Dobsons - EXCEPT to get elected.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By TW

August 15, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

How about real accountability for those who hire them?

By Southern Democrat

August 15, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

As per usual on this issue, I agree 100% with Jbmlaw and defer to his superior intelligence and sharper wit in defense of our commonly-held belief.

Many, many moons ago, I student taught in Newark, at a middle school about a mile and a half from where those poor students were shot. It was one of the most frightening and rewarding experiences of my life.

To state that the triple murder could’ve been prevented by enforcement of immigration policies is one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard and is only spoken by those who have never spent time in places like Newark, East St. Louis, Detroit. SE D.C., Baltimore, etc. I think I’ll leave it at that before I fly off the handle.

Like many proposed policies intended to stir up the masses, just about everything Newt suggests would be deemed unconstitutional. Local governments cannot be compelled to enforce and implement federal legislation. Similarly, the idea that states could “retain” illegal immigrants beyond their sentences until the federal government gets around to deporting them is, of course, illegal and unconstitutional (unless they’re transferred to Gitmo…but let’s let that sleeping dog lie).

I do not mean to sound overly soapboxy here, but I think we’ve all (particularly those of us who grew up in the South) been through this before. A well-funded, entrenched, and powerful minority seeks enforcement of Draconian laws targeted at certain persons while others are attempting to protect certain rights guaranteed (most specifically by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments).

I firmly believe that RCH’s and others’ progeny will look askance at their current views and say, “You thought WHAT?”

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

If chinese toys are so dangerous, imagine how dangerous a chinese-made taser would be?

Food for thought? No, chinese food is poison.

Toys from China are poison, the toys are poison….hey! Maybe the chinese made poison is okay to eat!

That’s it! The Chinese adulterate the poison with the good ingredients they should have put in the food and toys.

By time for the truth

August 15, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Predicktably as ever these worthless should have been aborted racebaiting dogturd leftist liberals are puking up their usual noxious pandering lies and hate America drivel. Despicably ignoring the self evident morally cancerous truths about the unremitting illegal infestation.

Illegal leeches - mostly illegal mexican types - are killing US citizens at an alarming rate. It isn’t just the occasional outrage that even the putrid party of hate far left media inevitably picks up on. illegal leeches are responsible for countless murders, rapes, massive illegal drug smuggling, child sexual abuse, gangbanging killings, countless millions of crimes against US citizens - including millions of identity theft crimes - and many many other outrages. Including voter fraud, billions in welfare fraud, refusal to obey virtually all US laws. including motoring laws and of course immigration laws.

ALL illegal leeches - from ALL COUNTRIES - need to be rounded up and deported immediately.

I TOLD YOU SO - I TOLD YOU SO - I TOLD YOU SO …

black crime and black killers are the SINGLE BIGGEST murderous problem in the US. Yet the snouts in the racial spoils trough black racists and bigots sullenly say nothing about it - and do even less to prevent blacks from killing and being killed in obscene numbers. demoNcrats are racists - its overwhelmingly demoNcrat “run” cities where the black killing fields are the most bloody and again the sullen, lemming like silence - from black so called leaders is abjectly pathetic. And bloated human sewage like the feminazi traitor pelosibitch and corrupt to the core surrender monkey dingy h reid are no better than the KKK - allowing blacks to wallow in their hippety hop blood soaked killing fields.

liberal racists and the racist black racial spoils need to be expunged from the USA so normal decent black folks do NOT have to live in fear in their drive by, gangbanging, car jacking, vicious predator crime ridden hoods.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070809202217.9us2orhu&show_article=1

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

RCH: Sanctuary cities are illegal under Federal Law. Not only should these cities not recieve Federal monies, the victims or families should sue these cities in Federal courts. Fortunally many of these cities are reevaluating their policies.

I find that very amusing that you, (and Wooten) said that. Just a few weeks ago, you claimed that the Douglas DA could not be prosecuted for child pornography because under GA Law he had to distribute the tapes because of the GA Freedom of information act. You stated that the FEDERAL government did not outrank the LOCAL/State government’s mandates and laws!!

NOW though, you’ve done a 180!!! So, in essence, if it’s something you agree with it’s OK for the feds to jump in, if it’s not; the feds shouldn’t stick their noses in the local/state’s business!!! WOW!! Repuglicanism mindset at its best!!!

By Donald

August 15, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Let Newt the poot (sheweee!!!) keep excreting his republishi$ to the racist right. Pander his azz off. Maybe Mr. “family values” will get enough trash to crawl out of the can that he will be nominated as the candidate of the racist right and the rest of us will get to put a landslide of record proportions on the republiscat party in 08. Just kill it off for good.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat

Murders happen everywhere, everyday. But your statement is false. This gentleman had other pending charges against him, his bail was reduced, and it was known he was an illegal alien. He never should have been in this country and he should have never been given bail( flight risk)If he was in jail or not present those 3 would still be alive today.

Cities like Newark do not contact ICE due to Sanctuary status. How do you expect the Federal Government to know he is in custody?

By Joe

August 15, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

I agree and disagree with things that Gingrich and others have said. However, what so many people posting here fail to recognize is that there is “illegal activity” and there is “illegal”.

Yesterday’s paper reported that 60+% of illegals here send money earned here back to their home country to take care of their families. Mexico’s GNP is largely dependent on remittances from illegals in the U.S. In fact, without the remittances Mexico’s economy could collapse.

What does that mean? It means that while the U.S. does not support assistance for U.S. citizens in the form of protected manufacturing jobs (they encourage U.S. companies to send those jobs overseas via tax breaks and incentives), the U.S. government DOES support the entire nation of Mexico - literally….

Further, President Bush (who I, sadly, voted for the first time round) believes that illegals have a right to be granted amnesty (they won’t be going to jail for illegally being here will they? So it’s amnesty.) AND he regularly fights for illegals to have rights in this country.

True, most illegals are hard working and law abiding. But ultimately they don’t LEGALLY pay taxes and the companies that hire them don’t pay employment taxes for them, so the companies are getting off easy AND our Social Security, Medicare and State governments are saddled with providing (eventually) more money going out than the amount of money coming in.

Finally, let me ask all of you who ardently support the illegals…are you prepared to learn Spanish and have our government converted to the style government that operates (with constant turmoil and revolutions) in Central and South America?

Given the current influx rates of illegals from Latin America, we can expect in twenty years to have a nation of more than 75% latins. The government will certainly change to the type currently in those countries and we will be paying huge taxes to support low income and uneducated masses. We will likely be forced to convert to speaking Spanish.

Think about your kids, or your friend’s kids….

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Dennis: There is no “war” in this country between the cultures. But there well could be if people like Gingrich continue with such inflamatory language.

That’s how repuglicans operate, they provide sanctuary for the dumbest, most racist, most hate filled in our society. Who do you think the KKK, Neo Nazis, etc. votes with? I sure can’t see them voting for Obama and heck let’s face it; in our lifetime there’ll never be a minority, (or female), repuglican nominee for president.

A man/woman who is stupid enough to say this has no business being president of this country.

Unfortunately Jim Crowe went to college and is now James Crowe Esquire — he knows the correct thing to say when asked, but he also knows what he’s gonna do when given the opportunity.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

The real patriotic Americans have been outraged with w and cheney for 6 years.

Newt is late to the party and his party has destroyed this country.

The US government is on a “burning platform” of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon, the country’s top government inspector has warned

Nice work wingnuts.

Geez.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

The only toy not recalled by mattel is the chinese made toy model of the Space Shuttle. (new definition of irony much?)

This public relations disaster from the chinese toy industry (and dog food industry) is a valuable insight into how corrupt the communist system is.

With so many billions at stake, and now lost, it’s seems unfathomable that China could not stop itself from adulterating the food and poisoning the toys with cheaper, illegal ingredients just to make more money.

Chinese capitalism sprang up from the communist bureaucracy and those people could no longer trade justly than they could embrace God. Godless communism. China is a stinking contraption of cogs and gears all joined together in a criminal wheel of fortune.

How hot would a chinese Vanna White be, though?

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Tom: Jim, you too are pitiful. Just have to keep that old race pot boiling don’t you Jim?

He HAD to come up with something, his blog numbers were way down yesterday so he had to pull out that old race card, (you know how repuglicans LOVE to do that), to get the bloggership back up today. Don’t say I didn’t warn you yesterday!!

Good thing he got the “heads up” on Newt’s comments or he would’ve had to actually write something that would’ve required thought and research!

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

What about these murders Newt?

“Suicide attacks in Iraq kill over 200 people:

Rescuers dug through the muddy wreckage of collapsed clay houses in northwest Iraq on Wednesday, uncovering victims of four suicide bombings that Iraqi officials said killed at least 200 people in one of the worst attacks of the war.”

Nice work wingnuts.

Geez.

By Your humble id thief

August 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

It was predicted in this space yesterday that Wooten would have a more combustible topic today in order to push his comments up.

Hats off to the sage seer.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Iranian Unit to Be Labeled ‘Terrorist’

U.S. Moving Against Revolutionary Guard

Send your kids to Canada wingnuts, there is a draft coming.

Geez.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

They should make a $7.99 chew toy out of the space shuttle and name the dog ravaging it “Launch”. (cause that’s what any launch does to any spacecraft so configured as the idiot’s delight space shuttle, which is, believe it or not, a spaceship with wings. Like flash gordon or starwars where they show the spaceships banking into turns in space like jet fighters. and Three rockets instead of one for a launch? Three times the chances to go boom? What a concept. How did that design get off the drawing board without someone slapping the fool silly?)

Rocket scientists.

They should make a $7.99 doggie chew toy out of rocket scientists, man.

By Southern Democrat

August 15, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

RCH,

I think you missed my point. First, you are forgetting that there were 3 other people involved in the Newark murders who, to the best of my knowledge, were aliens only in the sense that the world of urban blight they live in is completely unfamiliar to 98% of Americans. So, your statement that some mythical hyperenforcement of illegal immigration would have prevented the murders is inaccurate. Further, it certainly would not have prevented the over 60 murders that had already taken place in Newark THIS YEAR. If you want the proximate cause for Carranzas (I believe that’s his name) being on the streets, it is jail overcrowding in New Jersey (which is the direct result of hyperenforcement of Draconian laws).

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Government Spy Satellites To Be Used On Americans

Geez.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Cities like Newark do not contact ICE due to Sanctuary status. How do you expect the Federal Government to know he is in custody?

One word: Computers.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

More and more of these acts are now appearing on conservative leaning news outlets. You will never hear about them in the main street media. Why. It doesn’t further their” hard, working, poor immigrant cause.

Of course it would be different if it was your child or relative. You would be screaming to high heaven if that was the case.

I believe you will find it very difficult to convince individual that those who are illegally, and are convicted felons or in the criminal justice system at this time that they should not be deported. Even a naturalized citizen who commits a felony can be deported.

By time for the truth

August 15, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

the hysterical racebaitingbitch crackpipe debbieturd has puked up yet another magical deranged racist hissy fit!!!

ITS BLACKS and illegal mexican types who are disproportionately killing US citizens. demoNcrat sanctuary cities - are ILLEGAL - this murderous illegal mexican type leech in Newark should have been deported years ago for previous crimes - not insanely freed on reduced bail by some despicable pandering judge on a child rape charge.

KKKlansman D Byrd, the blackracistbitch Sinthia McKKKiney. Sheeelah Jackkkksonpee, the blackracistbitch M Waters, the dumbaspigsh!t J Conyers, thw blackracistBilly bigot Campbell, the race hate group the naacp, the race hate arson murder inspiring Sharptongue, the blacKKK panthers - old and new, the traitor ward churchill, the DUI killer kennedy, the arkansas rapist sick willie KKKlinton who constantly used the term “n iggers” in his gubernatorial limo according to his assigned state troopers, the entire demoNcrat party of hate that divides this country into sullen warring factions … grasping racial spoils blacks, shrill mincing queers, rabid feminazis, illegal parasitic mexican type leeches, yellowbellied cut and run traitors, unhinged global whining liars - and on and on … this is the “sanctuary” for the real hate in America today!!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

They should make a doggie chew toy out of spy sattelites, man.

By Jay

August 15, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

For those of you who support unlimited undocumented immigration to the U.S.: Why do you think the benefits of such a policy would outweight the costs? Help me out.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

“Bush retreats back to Crawford — the 2007 edition

The president, firm in his resolve against “al Qaeda in Iraq,” heads toward another August break in Crawford with another year of failure and cynical employment of terrorist threats under his belt.”

Mmmm, I have a very strong feeling of deja vu.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

One of the biggest problems law enforcement faces today is the interfacing of data banks concerning illegal activities. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. The information is not shared.

Sanctuary cities do not even imput any data on illegals thus making it impossible for the Federal Government to know an illegal has been detained.

Southern Democrat As my above blog stated , these type of situations are happening more often than not.Not all murders can be prevented, but some that contain the element of illegal aliens can. If they were not here they could not commit the crime. I am sure the families of the victims would agree.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Told ya wingnuts are terrorists who should be in Gitmo

Geez.

By Southern Democrat

August 15, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Jay,

I, for one, certainly do not support “unlimited, undocumented immigration,” but would point you to any economics casebook that demonstrates the need for a society with an aging population and a steady/declining birthrate to have an influx of new workers. If we wish to compete with rising industrial powers (a reenergized EU, China, India, etc.), we need more workers.

On a less practical level, I would point you to the fact that we are a nation built on immigrants.

As to an above comment criticizing Mexican-Americans and Mexicans residing here for sending money back to Mexico, what happened to that tightly held conservative belief of “let me do with my money what I want”? Also, where is the outrage at your trillions of tax dollars that have been sent directly to Egypt and Israel since 1980?

By Johnny Reb

August 15, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

I agree with some of you guys and disagree with others. Same way with Pewt. Some of what states I agree with. All illegal aliens are not criminals, but they need to step up and be a good citezen and get legal. It is that simple. If you commit a crime you sit you a** in jail until you are deported and yes we do need a time frame when they stop living off the tax payers and sitting in jail. Two weeks sounds good to me, if they come back and caught again, hang’em. You had your chance and you p** it away, YOU did that not us. Get legal and stay legal. Come into this country legal, live by the laws of this country and speak the language of THIS country. If you don’t like it here the go home. If you stay and do as you should, enjoy as the rest do. But please stop squalling about race that card is so out dated and over used. Sound like an ole I love Lucy show rerun Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! So if all you got a race card, pick your cards and go home. Where ever that meybe.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat

I also believe in the roll of the immigrant. No matter from where or what race they may represent. But as you yourself stated, I am for the controlled, documented, and screened influx of individuals. Not the current mess that we have.

I always hear we are a nation of immigrants. That is true; so is that we all came here legally.

Illegal criminal aliens or even naturalized criminals should not be allowed to reside here in the U.S with law abiding citizens.

By Curious Observer

August 15, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

I’m less worried about the criminal threat posed by illegal immigrants than I am about the poisons being exported from China.

You may be aware of the altered pet food and the lead-loaded paint on toys, but consider what happened in Panama recently. A 2006 Chinese shipment of many barrels of poisonous diethylene glycol, passed off as 99.5% pure glycerine, wound up in 260,000 bottles of cough syrup marketed in Panama. Thus far, the Panamanians have attributed 365 deaths to the cough syrup. US public health agencies have been involved in the investigation.

Why aren’t we being protected from the poisons manufactured by China? Why do we have enough DHS people to start cracking down on employers of illegal aliens, but not enough FDA employees to inspect consumable goods being imported from China?

So long as politicians can capitalize on hysteria generated over the presence of illegal aliens, our health and lives will continue to be threatened by a real menace. We are being stupid enough to look to where a politician is pointing, while we are being kicked in the butt by a real threat. It is ludicrous for this Republican administration to talk about cracking down on illegal workers—workers the same administration gave a wink and a nod to the law about for more than six years, even arguing for their immediate legalization—while claiming that there is simply no money to pay for federal employees to inspect our food and medical imports.

And if you think those toys coated with lead-based paint are minor items, maybe you need to Google the metal lead and read about what only a miniscule amount of it can do to retard the development of a child.

Some of you need to wake up before you sit down to your Chinese-adulterated dinners tonight. There is no quick fix for the problem posed by illegal immigrants, but there is one for the problem of toxic Chinese exports. Your chances of being lined up and executed by illegal immigrants are minimal in comparison.

By Jay

August 15, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

“I, for one, certainly do not support ‘unlimited, undocumented immigration’…”

But that’s what we have now and those who speculate the dangers of this policy are often labeled as racists.

“If we wish to compete with rising industrial powers (a reenergized EU, China, India, etc.), we need more workers.”

I agree, but why should they all come from Mexico illegally when we have more highly skilled workers from other parts of the world waiting in droves to come here legally? Doesn’t that seem unfair and illogical?

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

August 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim,

How dare you accuse Gingrich of exaggerating.

I mean, golly, if he’s exaggerating on this then what other things has he exaggerated on to make a point?

What about other politicans? Are any others exaggerating to make a point or attract attention?

Jim!! Where does it end? Are they all “playing politics”?

By SharonH

August 15, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Ya know………..

If there are two people in this world who I could count on to give less than a silver nickel about the lives of young Black people, I would have sworn that one of them was Newt Gingrich(the other one being you Wooten, of course). Now it turns out that he really, really cares. Who knew?

By RCH

August 15, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer

I agree on stricked inspection of goods from all countries to insure public safety.

But lets look at the score card. Deaths caused by these products to humans in the U.S vs. Deaths and other major felonies caused by illegal aliens within the U.S.

It isn’t even close.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

I agree to disagree with the ones that Johnny Reb agreed with, but I emphatically and categorically deny that any such agreement is ipso facto an accord with those he disagreed with.

The illegal immigrants are branded outlaws by our fear of the word amnesty. Therefore, let the vigilante live! Form posse’s. Perhaps outsource the posses to islamic countries, and let them import the young unsettled and disenfranchised islamist hoards to hunt down those illegal immigrants who by their very presense insults our security!!!

Viva Islamists Bounty Hunters!!!!.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Losing two occupations and now WWIII starting with Iran.

This is a clear case for preemptive impeachment to stop the madness.

Unless you want the draft.

Geez.

By Donald

August 15, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

By RCH

August 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

More and more of these acts are now appearing on conservative leaning news outlets. You will never hear about them in the main street media. Why. It doesn’t further their” hard, working, poor immigrant cause.

Maybe that is because unlike the conservative, trash radio, and get the rabble roused conservative media, the mainstream outlets don’t take isolated incidents and overblow the hell out of them to suit some racist, bigot, redneck trash audience that would like nothing more than to go back to the days of Jim Crow to protect the lost cause of maintaining this dreamland white anglo-saxon protestant, westrn European, blond hair blue eyed pipe dream that is going to totally destroy what has become one very perverted conservative cause.

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

If you had something intelligent to say then your employer would probably take more interest in what you do all day. Let’s take a bet on how many posts RCH will make by 5:00pm today. It’s an emotion filled topic and I am betting triple digits, 108.

By Lily Toad

August 15, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

No one has asked the really important question — Why the h-ell is Newt getting so much press? He’s a has-been. Newt, if you’re gonna run for President, go ahead and declare. Until then, sit down and shut up.

By Sally G.

August 15, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

CuttheGeez: Unless you predicted a draft in March of 2003 when we went into Iraq, Like I did, then you have no right to talk about no draft now, no siree.

johnny-blow-lately’s R a dime a dozen. get in line, cutthegeez.

By Lily Toad

August 15, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

No one has asked the really important question — Why the h-ell is Newt getting so much press? He’s a has-been. Newt, if you’re gonna run for President, go ahead and declare. Until then, sit down and shut up.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Donald I guess 70% of the nation who were against the immigration fit into your statement: this dreamland white anglo-saxon protestant, westrn European, blond hair blue eyed pipe dream that is going to totally destroy what has become one very perverted conservative cause. It is also strange that these occurrences are happening all more to often, but then that doesn’t count unless it was your home or family.

Really RCH Thank you for you concern. I was on with our Asian markets till 3:00am. I am giving myself a little leeway this morning.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

RCH: More and more of these acts are now appearing on conservative leaning news outlets. You will never hear about them in the main street media. Why. It doesn’t further their” hard, working, poor immigrant cause.

WOW so you’ve finally admitted that Faux News is a “conservative leaning news outlet”!! Well, I guess you’re finally growing up!!

One of the biggest problems law enforcement faces today is the interfacing of data banks concerning illegal activities. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. The information is not shared.

Now this statement that you’ve up here ^^ OBVIOUSLY came from FAux news!! If you’ve been in jail in any of the 46 of the 50 states, your DNA is registered on line. If you’ve NEVER been to jail but have been arrested, your FINGERPRINTS are on line. If, as it was stated above by Wooten, you’ve been arrested and detained and had an order to be expedited, then your FINGERPRINTS are most definitely on line.

And if they’re not, after 9/11; then why are we paying so much into Homeland Security? To give a Bush crony a job?

By WTF

August 15, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Wooten says “Gingrich has a good political ear.” I guess Speaker Gingrich was hard of hearing during the whole Clinton impeachment debacle which was never supported by the majority of Americans? Perhaps Wooten needs to get his hearing checked if he thinks Newt is anything other than a power hungry megalomaniac willing to capitalize on the deaths of innocent people to get himself elected.

By Lily Toad

August 15, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

We’re not all descendants of “legal immigrants” in this country. First of all, the Indigenous people who were here before the Europeans are not immigrants. The millions of Africans who were brought here forcibly may technically be considered immigrants, but is that really what one thinks of when legal immigration is mentioned? Before the US was formed, many people came here, often evading the law or religous persecution. We weren’t even an English colony at the beginnng. Then criminals and debtors were sent to good ol’ Georgia. Yeah, we have a great past of “legal immigration.”

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

RCH was up til 3:00am this morning with his Asian toxic food markets. Bon Apetit!

By Shar

August 15, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten’s headline today is thought-provoking. While the issue of crime, violent and non, by undocumented workers is real, and the specific butchery in Newark is tragic and infuriating, the “threat to young Americans” posed by illegal immigration is more institutional than episodic.

Non-English speakers outnumber English speakers in the urban school districts of the American SouthWest by a high proportion. These students require many special services, all costly and all paid for by taxpayers, that have siphoned away support for educational initiatives targeted to underpriviledged native populations. The near-universal reliance on emergency rooms for medical care, also taxpayer financed, has meant that the illegal resident waits until a minor problem becomes an expensive crisis before seeking help and has led several of the larger hospitals to close their emergency rooms rather than have to absorb the cost of care. The limitations on emergency care obviously pose a threat to all residents, legal or not. Finally, the depression in wages for jobs that rely on undocumented workers most closely affects low-skilled, poorly educated young urban Americans. These threats, while not as fear-inducing as the slayings in Newark, seem far greater to a larger swath of “young Americans”.

As far as enforcement is concerned, the federal bureaucracy has effectively nullified existing law by refusing to update and merge the databases of SSI and ICE. Mr. Gingrich is close to correct from a technological standpoint - the error rate could be significantly cut and the data merged by private companies within his timeframe, or close thereto. That is the last thing that either the Republicans or the Democrats want, however. This way, they can advance various feel-good plans for controlling immigraton without risking any effect, a politican’s dream.

The process could be brutally and efficiently shortened by equalizing the treatment of those who report tax evaders (and receive a sizeable chunk of the proceeds as a whistleblower’s reward) with reporters of undocumented workers. I’m not sure that any of us are prepared for the consequences of that level of bounty-hunting, though.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

The National Criminal Intelligence Plan, which would connect all States, Federal and local jurisdictions still only ties 13% of available data to each other. That is not a good percentage. It still does not address sanctuary cities that do not report illegal aliens.

Actually the execution deaths where reported by the NYT. It is when you see these murders brought together under one roof, you see the proliferation of these crimes.

By Sam Shoemaker

August 15, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

By RCH

August 15, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Donald I guess 70% of the nation who were against the immigration fit into your statement: this dreamland white anglo-saxon protestant, westrn European, blond hair blue eyed pipe dream that is going to totally destroy what has become one very perverted conservative cause. It is also strange that these occurrences are happening all more to often, but then that doesn’t count unless it was your home or family.

No idiot, what he is saying is that 70% of WHITE America being against something won’t save your racist trash party come election time when all the angry minorities get their chance to be heard. As for your “asian market” statement RCH, when are you going to get a grip, get in touch with reality, downgrade that legend in your own mind affliction that you have and realize that everyone on this blog knows that you are a ner do well 24/7 blogger with delusions of grandeur. You are one screwed up mess RCH. You need to see a shrink. What a fraud.

By NYgal

August 15, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Um, doesn’t Newt have a wife to leave? Isn’t it that time again where he trades up to a newer model? Surprised he has the time to dabble in opportunism again.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Really RCH

Obviously you have never been to Asia.

By Lily Toad

August 15, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

My paranoid schizophrenic step-brother who is now committed to a mental institution at various times claimed to be a vice president of an Australian shipping firm, or a corporate vice president of CNN, and was so convincing that judges believed him.

By Sally G.

August 15, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Google Yazidi. Read. Fear the Kurds.

By Gepeto

August 15, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Hey Pinocchio! (RCH) That nose of yours gets longer with every post. Pretty soon your arms won’t be long enough to open a door without turning your head sideways. You have got to be the most pitiful human being most of us have ever encountered.

By BS Aplenty

August 15, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

The Demo-erratic nutters literally come out of the woodwork when Newt Gingrich makes a public pronouncement on immigration or anything else. The level of unbridled vitriol against Gingrich is a telling barometer of just how well he can seize and defend a political argument against liberal nutcases.

Immigration in this county should occur in a legal, balanced & responsible way. Anything else is just somebody hiding a political agenda.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Sam

Are you forgetting it was that percentage of African Americans that responded that way. Are they no longer a minority. I forgot, they are no longer the largest minority.

It seems to me that the Democrates controlled Congress, but maybe our voices where so loud they had no choice but listen.

Going to Dusseldorf in Oct.Debbiedoright, anything I can bring you? You were born there were you not? till have your German citizenship?

By Ms. Redneck Convert

August 15, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Dayum Larry. All ya do is blab about the gubmint and those people on dis here machine. You keep ignorn me and imma fix ya real good. Imma keep bard the nehbors machine and if you won’t get rite, then this sugar goin to that tall dark fella at the post offic.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Google Yazidi. Kurds are maniacs.

By Sam

August 15, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Show us those numbers in print RCH. Until you do it is just another of your multitude of lies.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

The neo-cons need to decide if they want a draft, attack Iran or impeach Dubya. It is ironic that their proverbial chickens have come home to roost. The lies, the duplicity and obfuscation is staring them in the face and they refuse accept the reality. The neo-cons will have to stand up and take their medicine because their circular logic has come back to kick them.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Google Yazidi.

The Key to Iraq is the Kurds.

Believe in the Peacock.

By Tom

August 15, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

RCH, if you think in your wildest dreams that the immigration issue will win the republicans a single black vote you are more deeply entrenched in your world of delusion then any of us previously thought. Not only will blacks never vote republican in any substancial number, but now you have lost the largest minority which could have been an opportunity for the republican party but one that is now gone for generations to come. By the way. You are still an idiot. Post on oh stupid one!

By Susan

August 15, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

RCH is starting to sound like a Forrest Gump without the success or the charm. And that’s all I’m gonna say about that. What a nimrod!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Worship the Peacock!

Yazidi Rules!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

today i’m still a turd. word.

By getalife

August 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

“Under the Collins campaign’s own rules, anything written in the comments of a blog is representative of those who run the blog.

So since the Maine Web Report is run by Collins’ director of online communications, we can say this comment essentially came out of Susan Collins’ mouth:

Arthur Frain, Portland ME Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.”

And they say kos is a hate site but it is the gop’s ugly, pathetic, treasonous mind set.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Sam

A New York Times/CBS poll conducted from May 18-23, 2007 of 1,125 African American adults found that:

82% believe that the U.S could be doing more to keep illegal immigrants from crossing the border. 81% feel that illegal immigration is either a very serious (61%) or somewhat serious (30%) issue. 75% think that most of the people who have moved to United States in the last few years are here illegally. 75% agree with imposing hirer fines on employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. 70% believe that illegal immigrants do more to weaken the economy because they don’t pay taxes and use public services. 69% feel that illegal immigrants should be prosecuted for being in the U.S. illegally. 60% disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the immigration issue. 45% (a plurality) believe that a guest worker program would eventually increase the illegal immigration population in the United States because workers would over-stay their visas. 35% (a plurality) think that in the long run immigration will make society worse.

So who now is the bigot and racist?

By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Google Yazidi.

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By Bill

August 15, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

I SAID WORSHIP THE PEACOCK!!!

By RCH

August 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Tom

RCH, if you think in your wildest dreams that the immigration issue will win the republicans a single black vote you are more deeply entrenched in your world of delusion then any of us previously thought.

I never said that. My reference was to those who thought it was a white issue.See Statistics above.

By Bill

August 15, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

I SAID I WORSHIP THE C_OCK!!!

By Bill

August 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

To understand why the surge is a red herring you need to understand the peacock. Google Yazidi.

You’ll know what’s dead ahead for US troops in Iraq.

By Susan

August 15, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

RCH, more bobbing and weaving huh? You sir are an imbecile.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Susan These numbers came up numerous times during the immigration debate. Where were you. I guess name calling is the only response left open to you.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Dear Southern @ 10:08, after reviewing your eloquence and breadth of scope, I would hope you would never defer to anything I write.

Dear Jay @ 10:49, I am the only unlimited open-immigrationist on the blog. You ask, “Why do you think the benefits of such a policy would outweight the costs? Help me out.” The short answer is, for pure economic reasons. Those people who want to be here do not come here for welfare benefits; they come here to work, to make a fortune. The individual and collective economic contributions of our immigrant populations are almost certainly (no, I don’t have data to back it up) greater than that of our native population on a per capita basis; in contrast, their use of infrastructure (soft and hard) is a much lower burden that that generated by our native population. If there are unreasonable costs inflicted by our government (did I really ask “if?”) the solution is to reform those unreasonable programs, not to penalize our most efficient workers.

Dear Shar @ 11:58, I cannot determine where you stand. Do you wish tighter restrictions on immigration or not? I ask only because of the regard I hold for your analytical skills, but after reading your analysis I could not draw a conclusion.

Dear Jackie the Jew-baiter @ 12:37, glad to see you back with such a sharply-focused examination of immigration issues. This is your most analytical post yet. Since the covert neo-conservative movement is pro-immigration, your analysis clearly breaks new ground.

By WalterHill

August 15, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

RCH, the main point that morons like you are missing here is the fact that in spite of all the hype, spin, and outright propoganda surrounding the immigration issue, this issue is going to be the straw that breaks the back of the republican party. In every locale in this country where there is a close election with Latinos being the swing vote, republicans are going to lose. But until then RCH, cretins like you can get another chaw, light another Marlboro, crack open another can of Bud, belch, fart, and feel all good about your ignorant selves over these p** little propoganda battles you THINK that you have won, when the reality is that in the end you will lose the war big time. Redneck republican jackazzes like you RCH are God’s gift to the democratic party.

By ScamVet

August 15, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

To those who care, I was delayed getting on my raft to Cuba. Fidel said my “boat” used empty milk jugs and anti-freeze containers and could pose an environmental threat to Cuba.

Like I’m lowering the environmental standards in Cuba!! They got cars been around since 1952 and blow out more lead than U.S. Steel.

Hey. at least I get free healthcare.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Getalife Thought you would find this very interesting.

WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began. Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense. But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001

I guess 23,725 lives in the last 6 yrs. is a small drop in the bucket. Many of you whine about troop withdrawal out of Iraq to protect their lives, but are willing to leave us vulnerable by open borders.

By tiff

August 15, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

RCH, the african-americans on that survery did not make racist or bigoted comments or remarks about illegals. When asked specific question, they had to answer yes or no. The question came from a poll by the New York Times/CBS, owned by whites. For instance they would be asked “Do you think this or that” and then they would answer yes or no. There was not hate or bigotry there. They were simply responding yes or no to a survey produced by a whites owned paper and station.

By Lily Toad

August 15, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

What’s the source of this “Washing” news story?

By Lily Toad

August 15, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

What’s the source of this “Washing” news story?

By WalterHill

August 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

RCH, don’t quote facts and statistics ‘cause you know I don’t “do numbers” real well. I can understand hissy fits and I love racebaiting like nobodys business. Just don’t do that thing with numbers, it makes too much sense and my head hurts.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

tiff

LOL, The NYT is probably the most liberal rag in the nation. As many on this blog can attest, other polls verified this position. Sorry

By Bill

August 15, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

The Yazidi. The Kurds. Why do the Islamists rail against them? Why should it matter to Patreus? . .

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Dont ask the Yazidi, cause you dont want to know.

4000 years old. The Yazidi!!!

Google yazidi. Learn why We aint NeBAH gonna bit toutta Minack!!!!!

By RCH

August 15, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

You know what! I’ve had it with all you taco bending mexican loving maggots bashing me here. Yeah, I hate em all. And if you don’t like it FOAD! Kiss my white butt all you browny loving liberals. Now I’ve said it. Do something about it!

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

That was some very creative and dishonest cut and paste, RCH. Why did you intentionally leave out paragraph 2 of the article? Here it is for anyone that is not yet convinced that RCH is a dishonest phony that is about as credible as the nativist groups that fabricate sensational statistics for distribution on blogs. What a jerk.

“Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.”

By Bill

August 15, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

a turd i am, green eggs and ham, i yam, i yam

By Gepeto

August 15, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

That’s RCH for ya. Our own little blog Pinnochio.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

RCH @ 1:45 is a hijack.

By Nurse Ratchit

August 15, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

RCH, I’m heading to Alpharetta to tend to your white a*. All you’ll need to do is bare it and I’ll make all the mean liberals and murderous Mexicans fade away. You can go back to happily watching Fox News where they know exactly who to hate and will tell you why.

By RW (the oravaginal)

August 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Si, Senorita, you have blown a gasket, Ariba! Andele! Soon the Frito Bandito will steal all your cornchips and schtoop your wife.

You dirty gringo. I theeenk……

What a dope. Honestly.

By Nurse Ratchit

August 15, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

RCH, I’m heading to Alpharetta to tend to your white a*. All you’ll need to do is bare it and I’ll make all the mean liberals and murderous Mexicans fade away. You can go back to happily watching Fox News where they know exactly who to hate and will tell you why.

By Gepeto

August 15, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Nurse Ratsh!t at 1:50 and 1:53 was a hijack. It’s really me and the Wicked Witch of the North

By RCH

August 15, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Really RCH

The original article by the Senator was four pages long. Next time I will hyper link. It still does not change the facts. As stated by Jim, Newt Gingrich has exposed the same data. I don’t hear any confrontation of those statistics.

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Like I said before, if you had anything intelligent to say your employer might be more interested in what you do all day. The Worldnet Daily article that reported your phony statistics admits that the federal government doesn’t keep statistics on crimes committed by illegal aliens. Groups like NumbersUSA can make up statistics all day long based on interviews with members of the KKK. That doesn’t make them credible. That politicians like Steve King and Newt Gingrich use them like catnip doesn’t make them worthy of debate.

Here’s the link. It’s lame morons like you that make American companies go offshore to find labor.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Dear RCH @ 1:27, thanks for some comparatively hard information. I would not try to trick you into doing my calculations, but my sense is that those “immigrant-oriented” murders and drunk driving deaths, if controlled for population age (while we assuredly get some, we don’t get a lot of 50+ year old immigrants), would be right in line with the numbers/percentages of our native population, i.e., neither particularly better nor particularly worse. I perceive this could be a good masters thesis for some enterprising economics student out there.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

And by the way, I really don’t give a damn about facts. I just want all these dirty little bean eaters outa my country. If it isn’t white it can’t be right.

By RW (the oravaginal)

August 15, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

THe kurds and the jewish people have a similar history of squatting, and then being herded and driven out of places by the same populations. It’s just possible that they herd of their creation stories of the archangels and the revolt against god throught the prism of Arab and persian and turk slavemasters, thus the weirdly different, yet strangely similar creation stories.

Google the damn Yazidi. Sort of like, everything is riding on the Kurds now.

Keep up. You ignorant rabble. You vast vulgar herds of vapidity. You mealy-minded minions of minced minutia…..

By Jay

August 15, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Folks, it all goes back to ‘what part of illegal do you not understand’. I mean, duh. The mentality of the postings supporting illegal immigrants reminds me why there is gridlock in DC.

A little commonsense goes a long way. If you do not want people coming here illegally to be illegal than elect representatives who will change the law to make them legal. It is really that simple. Until that time comes illegal really does mean illegal.

Meaning that immigration laws should be respected and enforced. And yes, local governments should be required to step up to the plate and take part in assisting this country cope with the issue. All Americans have a stake in making sure that immigration laws are obeyed. Pure and simple.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

ReallyRCH

Your right, the Federal government doesn’t. I wounder why. But the government’s own GOA does. Lets see what they had to say?

Fortunately, a number of congressmen requested that the General Accountability Office (GAO) investigate and report information on criminal aliens incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. The resulting GAO report, published in April 2005, revealed that illegal aliens make up 27% of the prison population. (The oft-cited figure of 12 million illegal aliens in the country means that they make up just 4% of the general population.)

Since illegal aliens are unlikely to be committing white-collar crimes, that figure likely underestimates the amount of violent crime committed by illegal aliens. Using the GAO report, Representative Steve King of Iowa points out that 25 Americans, on average, are killed by illegal aliens every day (about evenly split between motor vehicle accidents and outright murder).

So what we have now is the govts. own statistics against itself.

Another interesting tidbit: Many States because that had been determined to be an ethnic group, not a racial group. Hispanics/Latinos were now counted as whites.

I guess this is information many of you don’t want released. Many you can lock it up in the Clinton Presidential library along with Hillary’s notes untill after the election!

By Anthony

August 15, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Does anyone else see the similarity in Jim’s ‘Illegals Threat to Young Americans’ and some of the stuff going around during the time of slavery in the old south that illuded to the threat posed by black men to the “virtuous” wives of the white slave owners?

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

U know something? Jay is right!

By RCH

August 15, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

RCH@221 is a fraud.

By tiff

August 15, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

RCH i’m not talking in terms of liberal or conservative. I’m talking about blacks or whites. My point was just because blacks answered yes or no to specific question regaring illegals, does not mean they have hate or bigotry for them. You are just adding the hate and racist part in there on your own.

By UGAlaw

August 15, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Then Jay, I would suggest that you write your elected officials and get them to amend the U.S. Constitution. Until that happens, any effort to cede immigration authority to states and local jurisdictions would be quickly ruled unconstitutional in the federal courts. Immigration is firmly in the feds ballpark. It always makes nativists and xenophobes feel all warm and fuzzy when their pandering pols “get tough” on immigration. The joke is on them however, when these things are overturned just as the pols knew from the get go. The pols score points, the rabble gets mad, and the pols point the finger at the courts and laugh all the way to the bar about the stupid group of folks that they have conned once again.

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

RCH, I don’t know if you are more stupid than dishonest. The GAO report of 2005 reported on criminal aliens incarcerated in federal, state and local prisons during 2004. The number includes LEGAL and illegal criminal aliens. And guess whose name is on the report? You guessed it, Steve King! Steve King is notorious for being a nutcase. Here’s a link to an article that analyzes the King numbers, and proves them to be the fraud that only cretins like RCH would buy.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9201.html

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

RCH: Sam Are you forgetting it was that percentage of African Americans that responded that way. Are they no longer a minority. I forgot, they are no longer the largest minority.

RCH on a previous post I had already eradicated that lie. The survey was done in the predominantly LA area, it was NOT a national survey, and the questions were only a Yes, NO, Maybe type of answer format. For you to AGAIN make this erroneous post, even when it was proven to be wrong, shows quite a bit of your character.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Tiff

I made that remark who stated that if 70% of the nation was against the amnesty bill they must be rednecks,KKK, Racist, etc.. I wanted to include another minority so that case could not hold water. It was not meant to inspire racism or hate.

By AreliaV.

August 15, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Just ask that posturing, publicity hound mayor in Hazleton, Pa. how it feels to be bankrupt. Maybe all you tough talking minutemen types should call that buffoon Barletta before you try bankrupting YOUR cities or counties with your lunacy.

By jm

August 15, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

jay@2:25 - so who is the bigger criminal? The one who offers jobs, clearly targeted to “undocumented” workers or the worker who takes that job?

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Going to Dusseldorf in Oct.Debbiedoright, anything I can bring you? You were born there were you not? till have your German citizenship?

You should have NEVER asked me that!!!I would LOVE one of those great big bottles of Asbach and the biggest bottle of Nivea bath oil, lotion, and shower gel you can find, (the biggest here for Nivea is 16 ounces). Dusseldorf is a port city are you going on a cruise? If so, what other ports will you be stopping in? Oh and since I’m begging, please disregard any mean comments I made earlier, (I am ornery from lack of sleep) :)

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

no wait! I’m thinking about Bremerhaven! Not Dusseldorf!! Although……

By Drudge

August 15, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

RCH is really D.A. King folks. King is the notorious race baiter from Marietta that can’t post under his own name because he is a convicted felon with no credibility whatsoever. Yet he is the shining light of the nativist anti-immigrant crowd. Birds of a feather do truly flock together.

By Jay

August 15, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

“Dear Jay @ 10:49, I am the only unlimited open-immigrationist on the blog.”

So you have no problem with people from all parts of the world (not just Mexico and Central America) entering the U.S. unchecked for disease, criminal history, terrorist affiliation, etc.?

“…the solution is to reform those unreasonable programs, not to penalize our most efficient workers.”

Do you think they’d still be our most efficient workers if they had the leverage of being legal citizens and could demand higher wages and benefits without the fear of deportation?

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

@jbmlaw

I must commend you on your hubris. Not only is your thoughts ignorant, you have the nerve to put your ignorance on display in a public forum. Let me get this straight for you! I do not hate Jews; I do not hate anyone, not even Dubya. I do not, however, like stupidy and that, my friend, is the category you constantly fall into.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Really RCH

Maybe I can’t read:The resulting GAO report, published in April 2005, revealed that illegal aliens make up 27% of the prison population. (The oft-cited figure of 12 million illegal aliens in the country means that they make up just 4% of the general population.

That was the report of the GAO, not Steve King!

Debbiedoright Most polls tend to be yes/no, but even with statistical error it still says a lot. No on buisness ,also going to Heidelberg and Frankfurt. Did you know that the ingredients of Nivea products in Europe is different than the United States. I your case , I never take anything personal.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Dear Jay @ 3:16, “So you have no problem with people from all parts of the world (not just Mexico and Central America) entering the U.S. unchecked for disease, criminal history, terrorist affiliation, etc.?” Generally, no, no real problem. Compared to the economic costs and losses directly attributable to our “mamaged” system as currently configured, no that would be an improvement.

“Do you think they’d still be our most efficient workers if they had the leverage of being legal citizens and could demand higher wages and benefits without the fear of deportation?” Yes, fear is not their motivator, greed is. Only the average American wage slave is motivated by “fear.”

Dear Jackie @ 3:19, thanks, it is wonderful to be admired for my body.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

IS it possible that the last 13 posts have all been namejackers?

My gut feeling is yes…

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

If you go to Heidelberg, bring me back one of those candles, (any kind will do). If you go to Frankfurt, bring me back the newest “tapes” from the red light district, (hetero please). Also, i would LOVE to have a bottle of the original Armani fragance that’s darn near $200.00 an ounce here but only about $40.00 in Germany, (black bottle).

OK I guess the list is kinda long — I’ll narrow it down, just bring back one bottle of Nivea shower gel (HUGE bottle). I’ll just have to do without the perfume, booze and porn. Sigh. :)

By Katharine

August 15, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Great idea to cut federal funding anywhere possible. It is more trouble than it’s worth.

The enemies change, but the mean-spiritedness hasn’t. When you lock others out, you lock yourself in. I would rather open the borders than pay the government to imprison Americans. Newt’s emotional appeal rings hollow.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

DoobieBongWrong: please stop namejacking. Okay, we all name jack now and then, but every post? Every single post for four years you namejack?

I’m not sure how fetch that is.

‘muff said.

By EmoryLaw

August 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

UGAlaw promise you won’t practice those legal skills with real people…promise?

By Curious Observer

August 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Do not bother to argue with jbmlaw, Jackie. He is a Friedman freak—the economist who argued for almost total laissez-faire in government and in the marketplace. Friedman, for instance, argued against corporations’ making charitable contributions, stating that the business of corporations was solely to make money for their shareholders. He also argued against laws banning prostitution.

I hope that some day jbmlaw gets to live in a world precisely as Friedman envisioned it. However, jbmlaw would need to move to another country to do so, and we all know he loves the conveniences and protections the present society provides him, including the right to attack the system that gives him the right to spout his insanity to the masses.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

I am not a medical professional, but, it appears to me you have a major case of cognitive dissonance. Along with that, to put it in a non-professional vernacular, you, my friend a major case of diarrhea of the lip. Your local drug store has lots of Imodium!

By RCH

August 15, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

DEbbiedoright

When are you going to put a ring on my finger. You ask for a lot.LOL Where you also a military brat born in Germany. Same here Heidelberg( Parick Henry Village)Germany.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

@jbmlaw,

The previous post is intended for you. I apologize for not directing those thoughts to you directly. Please read the following carefully!

am not a medical professional, but, it appears to me you have a major case of cognitive dissonance. Along with that, to put it in a non-professional vernacular, you, my friend have a major case of diarrhea of the lip. Your local drug store has lots of Imodium!

By Jay

August 15, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

To UGAlaw: Local governments should not be required to step up to the plate. They should simply step up to the plate because it is the correct course of action. Immigration status should be easy to check. Once the locals have apprehended an illegal immigrant for any reason they should contact the feds while holding that person in custody.

As far as amending the constitution, well, as the Supreme Court has not weighed in on the issue you’ve not a clue as to whether the constitution would require amending. The Court, as it turns out, is a rather political animal.

Argue all you want as part of the pro illegal immigrant lobby. It does not change the fact that illegal is illegal. Last time I checked we were a nation of laws.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

DoobieDongWrong is a name jacker, RCH. Dont encourage her. Come on. Wooten himself said that anyone encouraging the Katzenjammer Namenjacker trolls would be banned from blogging. I’ll tell you what the problem is: Nobody listens. We tell you what to do, but you wont do it. That’s why 911 happened, that’s why we’re stuck in Iraq. You dont listen.

I’m so close to calling homeland security on this blog it’s not even funny.

Why do you think they call it “chatter”?

word.

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Here’s the link to the GAO report. You will note that the report does not distinguish between legal and illegal aliens when arriving at the 27% figure. You don’t have to read too far into it to find that out. You will find Steve King’s name on the first page of the document. It’s this kind of spoonfeeding that makes US employers hire workers offshore.

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05337r.html

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

@Curious Observer,

I do not argue with jbmlaw because he is not logical. I like to speak with him just to get him to articulate his foolishness. Sadly, he does not recognize his nonsensical enumerations.

By Jay

August 15, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

“Compared to the economic costs and losses directly attributable to our ‘mamaged’ system as currently configured, no that would be an improvement.”

What?

“Yes, fear is not their motivator, greed is.”

Then why don’t they demand higher wages?

By Killin' Time

August 15, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, Newt Gingrich and the likes of RCH don’t want you to know this, bit the crime rate among Latino immigrants is lower than that of the general population, and most other ethnic groups as well, including whites.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Dear Jay @ 4:05, good question. There are many ways to increase your income without demanding a higher wage (that is the route normally taken by blue collar unionists, but they are a rarity in today’s culture. I suspect most people on this blog have never asked for a raise.)

Mostly the immigrants change jobs, to a better paid one; those opportunities normally arise when outsiders see their work, and the prospective boss realizes he does not have to bid high to bid better. Additionally, however, they work longer hours, and more days of the week.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Dear Jay @ 4:05, apologies, did not notice my typo - “managed.”

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Gen. Petraeus is going to recommend reducing the number of American troops in Iraq in his report to Congress, according to news reports. I do believe the neo-cons will rush to post their disdain for this man and he will be labeled as a cut-and-run liberal. Come out of hiding chicken-hawks. The day when you have to put your “hip” on the line instead of your “lip” draws near!

By UGAlaw

August 15, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Jay, my friend. The Constitution specifically places immigration firmly under federal jurisdiction. And yes Jay, any law or statute, ordinance, whatever, that infringes upon powers solely granted to the federal government would quickly be deemed unconstitutional. Hazleton, Pa. is a good example. In order for powers expressly granted to federal authorities to be ceded to any other jurisdiction it would definately require a constitutional amendment.

By RCH

August 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Really RCH

Are we now going to argue the term “criminal alien”.

Lets put this to rest. Where the 3 students killed by an illegal alien? Yes. Where the family of 3 killed by a drunk illegal alien? Yes

I hear many people state that they would go to great lengths to save the life of one child. Why isn’t it the case here. One death by an illegal alien is one to much since it could have avoided. Will some of you accept murder to further your immigration cause?

By Jay

August 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

TO jm@2:57….to many darn Jay’s on this bulletin board.

I absolutely believe the American employers are the bigger criminals. Especially nowadays. With all the media attention they know hiring illegal immigrants is, well, illegal. And, as far as I am concerned they are the Americans. They should not only know better, but should be more interested in protecting their very own people and country rather than foreigners who are here illegally. Heck, the should be turning illegal immigrants in when they apply for jobs, not hiring them. Nothing like good ole capitalism to make people not give a sh*t.

As for the lack of enforcement of immigration laws, our government employees who do not want to enforce perfectly valid laws need another occupation. Typically, in this country if you are not doing your job you get fired. Plain and simple.

By Kim

August 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Reneck Convert, you’ve been my comedic entertainment today!

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

General Petraeus cautioned against a quick or significant U.S. withdrawal that could surrender “the gains we have fought so hard to achieve.” Contrast that with “I do believe the neo-cons will rush to post their disdain for this man and he will be labeled as a cut-and-run liberal.” A dazzling analysis for a Jew-baiter, but we would expect nothing less.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

RCH: I was born in Bad Kreuznach, about 30 kilometres from Weisbaden.

Since you’re going back to Germany, (don’t know how long ago you left), please check on your dual national status in regards to travel, etc. A friend’s cousin, (father american, mother german but born in the US), got caught up in a big mess with that issue not too long ago.

Germany has changed some laws on dual nationality since I was born, however one thing that hasn’t changed is that all dual nationals of germany MUST serve in the military; (males). Trust me, you DON’T wanna get caught over there without making sure your status is o.k.

One more thing, that’s basically for people born within a certain time frame; if you were born before that, don’t worry about it.

See Below:

In July 1999, The Citizenship Law Reform Act was published in the German official gazette. This act entered into force on January 1, 2000. Under the new law, German citizenship has always been and will continue to be passed on by parents to the children. Any child of a German national (mother or father, married or not married) will be considered a German citizen by birth, whether born inside or outside Germany. The Reform Act introduces an aspect of “Äûterritorial acquisition”: any child born inside Germany to parents of foreign nationality will acquire German nationality by birth if at least one parent has been lawfully resident in Germany for at least eight years and has for at least three years been the holder of a certain higher form of residence permit. This new provision will apply to most children of migrant workers who have been living in Germany for at least eight years. Those children, however, once they have grown up will have to decide between keeping German citizenship and renouncing their other citizenship (i.e. that of their parents) or keeping the foreign nationality and losing the German nationality. Under the existing German Citizenship Law (which in this respect corresponds to that of many other countries) German nationals lose their German citizenship if and when they acquire a foreign nationality upon their own application, i.e. by naturalization.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

@jbmlaw,

The battery for the nose of your clown suit must need changing.

By DebbieDoRight

August 15, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

What the heck is a “jew baiter” and why are you calling jackie that? i haven’t read anywhere where he made disparaging remarks about jews.

By Really RCH

August 15, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Busted!

By Redneck Convert

August 15, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Just a quick note to say that woman that claims to be my wife ain’t. The missus can’t read or write so I know it wasn’t her that wrote it. Unless she’s learnt without me knowing it. You can never tell about women these days. Some of them fool you and one day just blast away without you knowing what is going on. Just ask that dead preacher in Tennessee.

By Jay

August 15, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

It has been made perfectly clear by many of our representatives in DC from the President on down that our Constitution does not need to be amended in many instances. Apparently, it is a lot easier to ignore it.

The Supreme Court as the final arbitrator, until the people redecide, of what is and is not constitutional has yet to weigh in much on the matter under discussion.

I am not a legal scholar by any means, but I am quite sure that America’s history is replete with Supreme Court decisions that muddy the constitutional meaning of the words in our Constitution.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

@DebbieDoRight,

The problem with neo-cons is that they don’t seem to be able to read. They have the ability to read “between the lines”. Notice jbmlaw’s posting. I said news reports indicate Gen. Petraeus is going to recommend troop reduction. Notice what he posted. My question is this, how do you rationalize with idiots?

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie @ 4:33, we had a lot of this on the blog a week ago, but I am delighted to restate it.

Norman Podhoretz is the father of the mostly Jewish “neo-conservative” movement. If you wish I can give you some links on his writings, but for the purpose of this recap, please accept my word that he is not an intellectual lightweight. Enter Pat Buchanan of Fortress American, whose isolationism cannot sustain any intellectual foundation in light of Podhoretz arguments. Buchanan created (see Wikipedia) an epithet “neo-con” (amusingly widely embraced by some of our moonbat brothers) to condemn all who believe Americans have a moral obligation to less fortunate brothers throughout the world. Among the anti-Semitic isolationists, Buchanan’s “neo-con” has “Jewish” as its alternate meaning.

Our dear friend Jackie applies the anti-Jewish epithet against all common sense, as if she has no idea of the meaning of “neo.” I mean really, when has Dick Cheney not been a conservative? When I informed her of our faux pas, Jackie doubled-down, insisting on her right to use the epithet without any relation to the intellectual foundation or historical application, or even the plain language meaning.

Thus, as I confront one unquestionably conscious of the full meaning of the term, I assume she means what she says. Perhaps I should not grant such intellectual credit in her case, but I am a generous soul.

By Church of Christ

August 15, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Preachers in this hard-core fundamentalist denomination are issued bullet-proof vests along with their Bibles. Unfortunately, this ‘un didn’t wear his to bed.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie, I omitted one salient point - Podhoretz was formerly one of the premier leftist intellectuals in this country, a non-conservative. He converted. He is widely condemned by your side less for his theories than for the apostasy, much like Joe Lieberman. (uh-oh, another Jewish name.)

By RCH

August 15, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Debbiedoright

I am way beyound that time frame. I do like you hold dual-citizenship. I will travel on a U.S passport.Thanks for the heads up.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

@jbmlaw,

I recall that AmVet post a rebuttal to that argument presented by Norman Podhoretz. It appears to me that his argument is such that anything said about Israel and is considered anti-Jewish As for granting me intellectual credit for your obfuscation, I totally and completely reject your granting of this dishonor. You, my dear sir, are an intellectual coward that tries to hide behind words and ideas that have no logical conclusion. If you remember your class on Psychology, you either use inductive or decutive reasoning. I submit you use neither. I will say to you again, you are the clown in a one-ring circus where the elephant is ill, the pony is tired and the battery in your nose needs changing.

By BS Aplenty

August 15, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Shar nice comments at 11:58, insightful. Thanks.

By So Blithely Done Blah

August 15, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Anyone who would rehash the neo-con origins, which was beaten to death pre-911, and act like they’ve uncovered some new info is a bootjacking namewiper.

Cant you people advance even one discussion? Do you have to run interference for the Iraq fiasco every day? Cant you have one lucid moment of reality on the ground in Iraq? Do you have to insult the memory of every US casualty there with your nonsense?

Just kidding, JBMlaw ROCKS!!

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Dear Jackie @ 5:04, I would respectfully note that Adolph Hitler never said a bad word about the state of Israel. I think anti-Semitism has a longer and richer history than a mere application against the modern state.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Dear jackie @ 5:04, as to your argument, “you are the clown in a one-ring circus where the elephant is ill, the pony is tired and the battery in your nose needs changing,” truly I cannot compete with your inductive and deductive skills..

By CNN word

August 15, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Santa is in full rigor mortis and the elves are crying over on the Luckovich cartoon. I didn’t really get the gag, I suppose I do, but shouldn’t lucko had shown how Santa died? And Shouldn’t Santas eyes be “X’s” to show he’s croaked? I dont know much about cartooning, but I think I’m right when I point out that a dead person’s cartoon eyes are usually X’s, isn’t that right, BoobieBloRight?

By CNN word

August 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Point of order: Heetler’s wife Teetler did publish an anti semetic journal called “where did you get that nose?” in 1934. She was partners with Mussolini’s wife, Pussolini.

The two women hounded the Jews in Poland mercilessly. That’s why there are laws about this very subject now and why the bloggers here should be ashamed.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Dear CNN @ 5:31, your post hits close to home for me - while other parts of my anatomy are dissicated, I have a world-class nose.

By AmVet

August 15, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

The great meaning of the word neo-con debate rages on!

I am not in the least interested in the esoteric etymology of the word. Only to the extent that it has any real significance in common usage.

For example if I called someone n****, most ignorant people would have a cow. (BTW, it means stingy or miserly).

Only in the most arcane sense is neo-con anti-semitic and I think the counselors repeated noting of it is ineffective in trying to diminish its relevance.

Yes, many use the term as an epithet and that alone is why offense is taken, I believe.

Labels, to me, are often meaningless and illustrate that in many, many cases they are used by those who cannot adequately elucidate their opinions.

Sound bites, slogans and labels are readily used when intelligent thought and/or the ability to communicate it are lacking. Even by our elected “leaders”.

I believe, for example, that if the VP was a conservative, he has acceded to the “new” conservatism.

The type identified with William Kristol and numerous, though hopefully dwindling, others in Washington.

I hope to have a discussion soon with some here about what are the differences and similarities.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Dear AmVet @ 5:36, although your argument has merit, I think you err in your specific citation of VP Cheney - I don’t think he has acceded to anything in his life.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Dear AmVet @ 5:36, while I think reasonable minds may disagree over whether a 10 year old epithet can be “arcane,” you are clearly on point with your argument on the perjorative nature. Certainly I cannot quarrel with one who uses the term “neo-conservative” to talk about Mr. Podhoretz. Similarly, I would think one an idiot if she used the term to describd Pat Buchanan. The question in my mind is, why would one use Pat Buchanan’s coinage to disparage? For me, intent is the key issue.

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Dear AmVet, perhaps to expand on the thought, if one called Sam Nunn a “socialist” due to his association with a party that embraces Leviathan, how do you analyze the reasonableness of the application? I would think that moronic. But if you explained the distinction to the one who called Mr. Nunn by the epithet, and the caller persisted, would that color your view?

By AmVet

August 15, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Agreed, jbmlaw, accede may not have been the best work.

It makes him seem like a viceroy to King George II or something!

My point is that there is little debate that the hallmarks of “conservatism” have changed quite dramatically beginning with Reagan.

There are too many examples to believe that is is a static philosophy.

The changes though have been, IMHO, to the detriment of the philosophy and not the enhancement.

As I’ve said before, I am praying that what I consider to be true American conservatism can make a quick return.

I believe the nation could profit immensely with a healthy dose.

By WTF?

August 15, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

The n-word, regardless of what it might mean in an English Oxford dictionary, is actually a slurring of the Romance Languages/Latin word for black: negro/negra.

By Jackie

August 15, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

@jbmlaw,

I made the same argument to you last week when I stated you are trying to paint me as being anti-Jewish because you and others have defined the term neo-con as a pejorative. I think that is the argument I used to classify you and the other conservatives use of the term “liberal.” You are truly one that tries to obfuscate. Instead of debating the point, you try to use terms that have no relevance to the discussion. I told you then and I say to you now, it does not carry water with me. I asked the conservatives to respond to the news accounts about Gen. Petraeus intimating he may call for a troop reduction. You, sir, trotted out the anti-Jewish line. By the way, get 2 batteries.

By AmVet

August 15, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, your 5:49 goes to the very point, that even the terms Democrat and Republican can be very misleading.

And that is a good thing except to those who cannot or, more likely, will not see the forest from the trees.

And the political parties themselves are heavily to blame for this intentional distortion.

Sadly, we live in a dumbed-down age where sloganeering and pigeon-holing people with the barest of knowledge runs rampant.

By AmVet

August 15, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

And I thought the definition of miserly was arcane!

But to further muddy the waters:

[Origin: 1325–75; ME nyggard, equiv. to nig ni-ggard (< Scand; cf. dial. Sw nygg; akin to OE hnéaw stingy) + -ard]

By deegee

August 15, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

By jbmlaw

August 15, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Dear Jackie @ 5:04, I would respectfully note that Adolph Hitler never said a bad word about the state of Israel.

I guess he didn’t. Hitler died in 1945, Israel became an independent state in 1948. We can only speculate on what he might have said about the state of Israel after a half a million Jews that were liberated from his holocaust settled there between 1948 and 1950.