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DEL.ICIO.USHappy? Karl Rove’s gone.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s notes from the weekend. Pick a topic:
• Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney posted a solid win in the Iowa straw poll Saturday, prompting former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson, who finished sixth, to throw in the towel. If forced to predict now, I’d bet on Romney to win the nomination, though Rudy Giuliani’s substantially ahead in the polls, nearing 30 percent support while Romney is about 10. Romney grows on you. But if there’s another terrorist attack in this country, Giuliani’s the guy. Thompson was a better governor than his performance in the presidential debates would suggest. The dye job didn’t help, either, if this high-minded corner is allowed to be petty about a Republican’s hair.
• Happy? Karl Rove’s gone. Partisans in Congress and in the media can now focus all of their energies on Vice President Dick Cheney as the evil genius manipulating George W. Bush. Rove’s off to write a book. What Bush really needs now is a veto pen, not political advice. Veto, veto, veto.
• Former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega is due to be released on Sept. 9 from prison, where he’d served 18 years for drug trafficking. Panama doesn’t want him back. But it’s clear he still has friends there. Here’s what having buddies in high places can do:
Noriega was sentenced in absentia in Panama to 60 years in prison for embezzlement, corruption and murder for crimes committed during his six-year reign. Panama’s now banned such trials and set the maximum he could serve at 20. But, under legislation passed in January, he gets to deduct the 18 years he served in the U.S., so the most he could serve is two. And the law allows anybody over 70 to apply for house arrest rather than prison. Noriega’s 72. Better to send him to France, where he’s wanted for allegedly laundering about $3.15 million in drug profits. The case is up for a hearing in Miami today.
• One reason education reform never really gets rolling is that the education workplace unions are masters at planting poison pills. Case in point: Alabama set out in 2004 to “reform” the teacher dismissal process. A provision inserted into the law allows teachers fired for cause to continue getting paid until an arbitrator upholds their dismissal. But a teacher fired for alleged criminal conduct can’t be reviewed by an arbitrator. So a teacher facing criminal charges of raping a student, fired in 2005, has been paid almost $100,000 since — and remains on the public payroll. Conservatives should think in terms of changing the system, not tinkering with it. Tinkering doesn’t work. It doesn’t last.
Comments
By Dave the First
August 13, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
Teachers are rewarded for being loyal to the union more than for the job they do. End all government unions and see how things change.
We could always fire all the teachers and get non-english speaking uneducated aliens to teach for them. They could not do a worse job and maybe they would even do a better job since they seem to have a much better work ethic.
By Political Foreskin
August 13, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
Bush should veto Rove’s book.
Romney only won the straw poll because his wives voted.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Karl Rove will be remembered as a political genius who helped bring this nation the type of strong, morally upright leadership needed after the morally bankrupt Clinton years. His role in crafting the brilliant Iraq strategy will be praised once it has attained its final victory.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw
Did you consider my proposal? Just a thought.
By Severed Ties
August 13, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
and final victory in Iraq has what features as it’s defining criteria?
Define, “Victory in Iraq”.
(dont worry, folks, he cant).
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
RCH @8:49 a.m.
I will never consider marrying you.
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
JBM, don’t you have a real estate closing this morning?
Let me comment on the substance of your Rove post - what an insipid sycophantic idiot you are - box of rocks dumb.
Woodrow Wilson Law School trash.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 13, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
The forthcoming resignation of Karl Halderman…excuse me…Rove is by no means surprising. It is generally the practice of political minions in both political parties to flee the last months of a political regime. Halderman…excuse me…Rove has stayed around longer than a lot of folks expected. Despite being up to his neck in the Valerie Plame fiasco (I say fiasco because Plame’s status as a CIA operative was about the biggest secret since Mary Todd Lincoln’s spendthrift tendencies at the White House) not to mention his knee-deep involvement in the firing of eight U.S. attorneys (all of which was perfectly legal), he has stubbornly refused to give in “to please the mob.”
Barring another massive Islamist attack somewhere in the United States, stick a fork in it, the administration of George W. Bush is done. For better or worse, whatever the Crawford version of the Urban Cowboy hoped to accomplish has been accomplished. The best thing Georgie Bush can do now for future of the Republican Party is to make like the Great Pyramid and be silent…a wonder to behold but not to hear!
I think Karl realizes this.
Social conservatism is in flux. To wit: the unusual popularity of Rudi Guiliani among even some evangelicals. Corporatism, the capitalist admixture of communism and fascism, has been revealed for its ugly self. Fiscal conservatism has a chance, but it will fall to other hands to implement it, unless, as many suspect, the liberals or progressives can convince the thin pool of independents to cast their lots with the Democrats.
It is at times like this that I sometimes envy the parliamentary form of government. Bush, being finished, could resign in favor of another powerful Republican…say Fred Thompson, for instance…instead of being a benign non-entity for the next 17 months or so. Alas, in our presidential system, such an avenue for efficiency is not provided.
Wonder if Alphonso…excuse me…Alberto will be next?
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I think there are three Republicans who can win in 2008. I have previously declared myself a Fred Thompson man, and have yet to see anything to change my mind. I think Mitt Romney is the most intelligent candidate in either party, and he is the only front-runner with any significant private-entity executive experience. I also think Rudy is the most electable Republican, as I think he would pick off New Jersey and maybe New York. Among our Democrat candidates, I think only Gov. Richardson is supportable, and his odds are longer than Mike Huckabee’s.
Karl Rove is a political scientist on a par with the brilliant Dick Morris. Dick Cheney is an intellectual-visionary on a par with Thomas Jefferson. I’d rather have Cheney advising me than Rove. Maybe Noriega can get a job advising Hillary since Sandy Berger will be out of action for a couple more years.
I presume the victim-student in the Alabama teacher case will actually collect all of the funds paid by the state to the teacher. Anything else would reflect government logic.
I wish to add an item to the discussion – last week I asserted that there are no Democrats out front on the earmarks issue, that all of the reformers are Republicans. While that statement remains true, I wish to cite one courageous Democrat who is voting against his party in the earmarks battles: “Only one Democrat voted against pork more than a fifth of the time—Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, who racked up a 98% antipork score and is unlikely to be invited to dinner with any Appropriations Committee chairmen anytime soon.” http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010462 The John Fund essay also provides another hilarious John Murtha exchange – what a crook!
By GaTacher
August 13, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
It amazes me how someone can think that it’s the teachers fault that little Johnny can’t read. Maybe it’s momma’s fault that little Johhny won’t sit his butt down to be taught how to read!
I am an educator of 12 years have never been a member of a teacher’s union. There are many like me. Very few of my colleagues as members of unions. They really serve no real purpose in Georgia. Get your facts straight!
By RCH
August 13, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw
Good to know. Just thought you would enjoy putting, B.J Patel, getalife, and a few others laid to rest.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
Dear GHT @ 8:52, I fear you have been deceived by our leftist identity-jacker. My first post was @ 8:59. Although, in all fairness, the 8:45 post is not untrue, it just does not reflect my thoughts.
By Rev Haggard
August 13, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
“”Karl Rove will be remembered as a political genius who helped bring this nation the type of strong, morally upright leadership needed after the morally bankrupt Clinton years.”“
With my help of course. Lets not change history here to make a legend out of a mere mortal. Karl Rove is no God. It was me who the president called for his weekly moral upliftings. Those were MY morals that gave the country hope.
It was my payment to the nation that delivered this great nation from moral bankruptcy. We’re saved.
How about a little respect?
By boogieman
August 13, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
not yet. let’s get rid of bush, cheney, rummy and the rest.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 13, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
How do you ever expect to reform public education?
The public school system exists as a creature of government.
What happened in Alabama was the result of the shortsightedness of legislators.
Besides, public schools are a popular venue. Almost everyone currently in the United States, except maybe Miquel and Pancho, has at sometime in their lives gone to school. Ergo, they are experts on how how schools should be run. Every two-bit politician from Presidental candidate to candidate for dog-catcher has an “education” plank in his or her platform.
We don’t want to reform schools. They might start working properly and we wouldn’t have anything to gripe about.
As to quality teachers, just keep it up. If No Child Left Behind (No Teacher Left With One)is left in its current form, within ten years there will be such a shortage of teachers, Miquel and Pancho may have an opportunity for a whole new profession!
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
GaTeacher, the problems of the Georgia educational system can be reduced to this aphorism:
Garbage in, garbage out.
Thanks to people like you infesting the teacher population, we could add this corollary - garbage, taught by garbage, remains garbage.
Unfortunately, in Georgia, there are many teachers like you. Look at jbmlaw to see what kind of retards they allow to practice law there, for God’s sake. Teacher standards there are bottom of the barrel, too.
Trash.
By Rule of Law
August 13, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
I think I can field the “victory in Iraq” question. The defining criteria must necessarily include the three major population groups of Iraq, thus the victory has political compromises inscribed in the articles of surrender which the “enemy” must sign.
Therefore, Victory in Iraq includes:
1) The destruction of all rogue shia militia forces.
2) The destruction of all rogue militias posing as Al Queda in Iraq.
3) The destruction of all rogue Sunni militias.
4) The political adjudication of the 13-centuries-old sunni/shia rift.
5) The securing of all porous borders to prevent incursions by new rogue militia units reinforcing AL Queda in Iraq.
6: Securing Kurdistan, and adjudicating newly established liasons between the Kurds and the rest of Iraq.
7) Holding the secured areas with 500K non-sectarian US troops.
Estimated time of US troop withdrawal after “Victory in Iraq” is achieved: 150 years.
Estimated cost: 10 trillion by 2025.
Victory is Iraq is a bumper-sticker, and is emblematic of jingoistic demagoguery.
Jbmlaw is the poster child of neo-kongs, (the apelike stepchildren of the Bush/Rove trist)
Missionary Position Accomplished!
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
August 13, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
No, I’m not happy at all.
We’re still at war, Alberto Gonzalez is still in office, GWB is still in office, Cheney is still running the country secretly.
Why would anyone be happy?
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
Dear all, I think it is painfully obvious that the Leftist identity jacker is GodHatesTrash. The lack of intellectual content in his posts suggests his lack of creativity or cognitive capacity, and explains his desire to inhibit intelligent discussion on this blog. Coupled with the quantity of venom he consistently displays at such an early hour, he seemingly is the only one with both motive and lack of character to permit the misbehavior.
By harold
August 13, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
So you are saying if the terrorists attack, we can interpret that as meaning they want Giuliani to be the Republican candidate. If they do not attack, they want the Mormon guy.
So to counteract doing waht the terrorists want, if they don’t attack, Republicans should select Giuliani to run. If they do attack, Republicans shoudl select the Mormon to run.
By Ted Stanton
August 13, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Just stick to Wooten’s article and quit bickering, Einsteins.
By RJ
August 13, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
Quite the contrary jbmlaw, Rove will be remembered as the one who helped bring this nation a President with a personal agenda that caused a lot of unnecessary suffering. Among other not so nice things, he will also be remembered as the pivotal one who corrupted the nation’s Department of Justice.
By GA Educator
August 13, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
GHT, couldn’t agree with you more, Dr. Moron. You’ll note in today’s AJC that Georgia has 7 of the 10 counties nationwide with the largest minority population growth.
And the hits just keep on comin’.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Victory in Iraq seems to be a nebulous fog. However the Democratic front runners seem to be positioning themselves for long term military posts in Iraq after the conflict is over. Do they know something we don’t?
By Bill
August 13, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
The surge is how the war should have been conducted from the beginning. It’s never too late. We’re going to need a bigger army.
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
While many of my conservative friends will call into question the source of this article, I found it a tragic look at the missteps of this administration in Afghanistan (with supporting quotes from all three post-Taliban U.S. ambassadors). These failed policies, even beyond the misadventures in Iraq, have made our citizens and allies less safe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/world/asia/12afghan.html?em&ex=1187150400&en=950f092597656e80&ei=5087%0A
By Redneck Convert
August 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
Well, Rove done gone and now there’s no brains in the White House to tell the people even where the bath rooms are. Us good Christian conservatives will sure miss him. He got all the godly people on the side of My President and made sure the godless U.S. attorneys was fired. He never got rid of Social Security like he wanted but it wasn’t his fault. All the old codgers got all fired up and Congress got too scared to fix things. The only way we get rid of Social Security is to pray to God to take away all the old useless people that drain our pocketbooks. I’m ready to go down to the Church of Holiness and pray for that. It would be really something if about 40 million codgers was taken away in one night. Sort of like a small Rapture.
I can’t stay long because I’m scared this RCH guy will invite me out on a date the way he done the rest of you in the past couple days. He must be a mean one to beat up on this Mexican woman boss he had.
I’m telling you, this education will be the ruin of this nation. Them teachers just set around eying the girls that come to school and waiting for their chance. Except the gay teachers. They just eye the boys, sort of like TFTT. I say get rid of the schools. I never made it out of the 5th grade and it never hurt me none. All a home needs is a bible and a book on cow deseases. You don’t need school to read that. Just look at how education has already ruint a bunch of people. It let a hack like jbmlaw go to Woodrow Wilson Law School and be a lawyer that falls on the people like a hungry wolf. And now people like @@ is teaching the kids. I wouldn’t let her look after my cats if I was gone for a few days. They would all come down with venerable disease.
Anyway, the GA teacher union is so powerful I halfway expect to see all the teachers go out on strike any day now.
But back to poor Karl Rove. I hope God blesses him as much as the libruls cuss at him. You get a good godly man like him in the White House and this nation has some hope. With him gone, we are on the way to being a godless nation run by this Pelousy woman and Hillary. Why, just look at the polls lately. The minute word got around that Rove was leaving My President’s ratings went way down, from around 33% approve to only 30% approve. And about 65% of this godless country don’t approve of My President. That’s the thanks he gets for trying to set us on a godly moral course. Where you smite your enemas in Iraq and turn things over to godly Christians at home.
By For Bush Lovers
August 13, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Reality check, ladies.
Day 2162 of “Where’s Osama”?
Perpetrator of the biggest mass murder in US history soon to enter his seventh year of freedom…
Thanks to Dumbya and Karla Rove.
By AmVet
August 13, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
Regarding Rove, it is apparent that one’s opinion of him falls into one of two categories based on the following.
Either this administration has been a resounding success or a dismal failure.
Of course, the reality lies somewhere in between.
Most here know my feelings on the matter, and for the most part I feel that the legacy of Bush and Co. will fall squarely in that second camp.
Look to no other than Mr. Wooten himself for an example of the wise counsel that our President probably receives - veto, veto, veto.
Ironic for a president who had what, maybe one veto in his first five or six years with a Republican led Congress?
And our esteemed columnist accuses others of partisanship. Unfortunately, this is typical for those high-minded neo-conservatives and their infallible judgments.
Only time will tell, of course, if Mr. Bush was remotely close to being correct about Iraq or not, but I believe there is one thing that is irrefutable - Rove, Cheney, Bush, et al have demonstrated an arrogance, no hubris, and intransigence, hopefully not again seen for a long time in the White House.
Hey, its good to have a dream, isn’t it?
By Craig also
August 13, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
I will be happy on January 20, 2009. Even one of the current crop of “pygmies” seeking the Republican nomination would be better than the disastrous Bush administration.
By Shar
August 13, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
Greetings on this back-to-school morning. I am in a quandary at the news from Washington regarding Mr. Rove. My mother often told me, “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”, advice which I often forswore and lived to regret. On the other hand, there is the infuriating vision of Mr. Rove waddling off into the sunset, smirking while the country has to cope with the horrific effects of his time in power. What to say? I guess that, as a parting gift, I can only wish him what he strove so mightily to arrange for so many - an extended solitary stroll along the once-lovely banks of the Tigris.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
My goodmess, Jim seems upset.
Bwahahahahahaha!
Rove has major legal problem. At the end of August, no more executive privilege. You will see more of Rove. In court.
Veto eh, sure why not. The gop obstructs and w vetos. What a pathetic American you are Jim.
Do us all a favor and do a Rove.
Geez.
By Dan
August 13, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
By RCH
August 13, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw
Good to know. Just thought you would enjoy putting, B.J Patel, getalife, and a few others laid to rest.
Still waiting for you to man up RCH (Mr. anytime, anywhere) Your cell number so we can do this “anytime, anywhere” thing. RCH you are nothing but a fraudulant little wuss that would rather shove and push women around. There are numerous people on this blog that know who you are, what you are, and believe me, I will find a concrete definative way to expose you to everyone here.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Redneck Convert
Sorry, not my type. I had toyed around with some of us meeting before this Friday’s personal attack. It just gave more weight to it. It amazes me how quickly some of you can be pulled to the dark side. If logical debate cannot be matched, start using lies. Much like politics I guess. Just wanted to shed some light( truth) on the matter.
By Peter
August 13, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
Gee Jim……what is Bush suppose to Veto these days………that is what you got to love with the Right…….no reason to work with the other side, and certainly no reason to do the RIGHT THING by this country……..
We have not seen anything positive coming out of this administration with one exception……..the Mega Rich got richer…… Great Job by the RIGHT……
By THE GOD OF WAR
August 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
First off Karl is not riding off into the sunset he is slithering back to his haunt.. The Clinton years left us Morally Bankrupt?! Puleeeze! The Bush years have left us just plain ol Bankrupt at home and across the globe.. We have no friends, little to no allies and speaking of morals I thought lying was not one of them.. Maybe my God and the republican god is different.. I dont know how we are more Moral now than we were.. We are more corrupt now than we have ever been.. Oh and dont forget about the massive deficit accrued by the Tush administration.. Bankrupt please, at least under the clinton years the Gov didnt dictate how I should worship.. Gov is bigger than ever.. Hypocrites.. Ya’ll have been Bamboozled, led astray and run Amuck!
By RCH
August 13, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Amvet
You may be correct that time will tell on the effectiveness on the Bush administration. Twenty years from now the verdict may be different than many have hope for. But it seems that the Democrates can’t even wait to September to begin a smear campaign against good news that may come from the field commanders of Iraq.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
Karl Rove will be remembered as a political genius who helped bring this nation the type of strong, morally upright leadership needed after the morally bankrupt Clinton years. His role in crafting the brilliant Iraq strategy will be praised once it has attained its final victory.
jbmlaw: Maybe that was an ID hijacker and not you, but, you gotta admit; it sure does SOUND like something you’d say!!
PS: Why won’t you marry RCH? He seems like a nice guy and he actually tries to tell the truth! Unlike you with your Ensign/ROTC son in the Navy/Air Force Academy!!
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
The surge is how the war should have been conducted from the beginning. It’s never too late. We’re going to need a bigger army.
Bill: With the enlistment rate, as well as, the retention rate DOWN across the board in the Armed Forces, how do you propose they go about getting that bigger army? I’m thinking DRAFT instead of RECRUITMENT.
By jm
August 13, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
morally bankrupt? Ah yes, that conservative obsession with oral sex as demonstrated by the impeachment of President Clinton and the continued incarceration of Genarlow Wilson.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
The dye job didn’t help, either, if this high-minded corner is allowed to be petty about a Republican’s hair.
Wooten: Why not? You’re petty about everything else.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
Debbiedoright
Will you be so bold in September. Hillary and others are already changing their tune. Will you?
By Bill
August 13, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
Rove must be fleeing indictments.
Rove’s tell-all book will confess to treason, admit 911 complicity, and identify OJ’s keelahs.
I’d be happy if McRove just danced himself the night away.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
“On the day her husband left for Iraq on his third tour in six years, Jennifer James slipped into the shower to cry, thinking no one would hear her. She was wrong. “Mom, it’s OK. We’ve been through this before,” her then 8-year-old son Bradley said through the door.”
Since the chicken hawks like RCH are too cowardly to enlist, the draft must come back to force them to help the troops.
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Of course I hate to see Rove leaving. He was smart as a whip and a person dedicated to running this country by the rules. George W. Bush has long made friends with the smart ones and then gets them working for the country.
That’s a talent I do not see in Democratic candidates at this time. Hillary is SELF-promotion personified. Edwards is still proving how great he is even though his beginning was meager. Obama is simply proving that he is not ready for the biggest job in the USA, big ears, big charm and light on intellectual prowess and use of it.
But back to the White House, we are most fortunate to have Dick Cheney, a friend to the end with Bush. jbmlaw has correctly compared him to Thomas Jefferson and I concur with that.
So accolades for Rove, and thanks to Cheney for their help in governing this country. Bush has led our country through rough times and we find our country standing strong and firm in the preservation of freedom. The President’s friends have helped him and us.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
“Citing executive privilege, he defied a subpoena and refused to show up for a congressional hearing just two weeks ago on the allegedly improper use by White House aides of Republican National Committee email accounts. Fellow Bush advisers have said they believe the congressional probes have been aimed in part at driving Rove out.
The White House said his departure was unrelated to the investigations.”
Uh-huh. Totally unrelated. They lie to you and you buy it everytime.
Geez.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
Getalife Is it still a requirement to register for the draft. And if there isn’t you are lucky for I have been for a conflict in South East Asia.
By John Adams
August 13, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
I knew and worked with Thomas Jefferson, and believe me, Dusty, Dick Cheney is no Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson had both integrity and about ten times the intellectual horsepower. Most of all, he had respect for the concept of democracy.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Debbiedoright Will you be so bold in September. Hillary and others are already changing their tune. Will you?
Huh?
Getalife Is it still a requirement to register for the draft. And if there isn’t you are lucky for I have been for a conflict in South East Asia.
WHAT!?! RCH have you been drinking your breakfast? You’re not making any sense!! Please repost.
By THE GOD OF WAR
August 13, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
Thomas Jefferson BWAHHAHAHAHA.. More like Thomas Slick.. Thers no such thing as lying in Politics marigold
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
*Either this administration has been a resounding success or a dismal failure.
Of course, the reality lies somewhere in between.*
AmVet, you’re a moron if you think there has been one single redeeming thing done by the pack of jackals called the Bush administration.
Trash.
By Jackie
August 13, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
Karl Rove resigned because he did not want to appear in front the multiple Congressional sub-committees. Alberto Gonzalez can not and will not resign; if he does, Dubya and Cheyney will go to jail and Alberto will be disbarred and possibly go to jail with them. Secondarily, the new war czar stated in testimony it may be time for put the draft back into effect. With the current troop deployments and no available troops to replace those currently in country, the US ground forces would be broken. Where are the chicken-hawks when you need them?
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
So accolades for Rove, and thanks to Cheney for their help in governing this country. Bush has led our country through rough times and we find our country standing strong and firm in the preservation of freedom. The President’s friends have helped him and us.
It has finally happened! Dusty has finally succumbed to that dreaded Repuglican disease of dementia and has lost what’s left of her mind.
Dementia, be not proud, for you have taken a strong, competent warrior, strong in her opinions and steeped in the traditions of genteel debate and wit, as well as Repuglican double speak, half truths, and slander. Dementia you evil insidious wrecker of repuglican minds — be not proud this day.
By JK
August 13, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
Yaawwwwwnn! Gee, if the brainiacs on this blog liken Dick Cheney to Thomas Jefferson, then there’s no real reason to actually READ anything that Jefferson wrote, now is there? A couple of Fox News sound bites from Snarl, and you know EXACTLY what our founding fathers were thinking. Who needs to read? Snerk. Can you say “RETARD-O-RAMA?”
By getalife
August 13, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
dick knew Iraq would be a quagmire
Impeach this failure.
Geez.
By Interesting development
August 13, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
Good news Right Thinkers - Osama bin Laden says we have won the war - can someone please draw up the surrender documents, and then deliver them to Osama so he can sign them?
Sometime in the next seven years or so?
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
With the current troop deployments and no available troops to replace those currently in country, the US ground forces would be broken. Where are the chicken-hawks when you need them?
They are rushing to their doctors setting up excuses….errr…sorry.. histories of ailments that woud make then inelligible for the draft. They will, of course, not stray from the grand tradition of the likes of Chamblis, Cheney, Rove, etc. If it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight I remember that even with the closing of the draft, at one time men over 18 still had to register for Military service. Is this still being done? I had to register many moons ago back in the Seventies. So yes getalife I was willing to lay it on the line. How about you?
Debbiedoright Will you be so bold in September. Hillary and others are already changing their tune. Will you?
Many of the Democratic Candidates, especially Hillary sense more good news in the September report. They are now backing off the wholesale withdrawal from Iraq. In political terms, their strategies are a balancing act. In her public appearances, Mrs. Clinton often says, “If this president does not end this war before he leaves office, when I am president, I will.” But she has affirmed in recent months remarks she made to The New York Times in March, when she said that there were “remaining vital national security interests in Iraq” that would require a continuing deployment of American troops. The United States’ security, she said then, would be undermined if part of Iraq turned into a failed state” that serves as a Petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda.”
Which way is the wind blowing today Hillary?
By TW
August 13, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
As we face this critical time period in Iraq, it is a shame to see the White House quitting on our troops like this…shame…
By Bill
August 13, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
Hillary’s the one doing the blowing.
By Karla Rove
August 13, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Bill, don’t be so hard on Hillary.
I myself have been known to kiss a cockatoo…
Dumbya is gonna miss me.
By Jeff Hill
August 13, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I’M GLAD CARL ROVE IS GONE!
By lovelyliz
August 13, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Rove is not gone. He’s just less visible.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
RCH: It’s called “Selective Service” registration; but I don’t know how it’s enforced — supposedly once a kid turns 18 he’s supposed to voluntarily go down and give them his name, address, etc. Now since this war has started how many have actually done that…….well, I don’t really know.
As for Hillary changing — please remember, Hillary, like Dumbya, are both politicians. They change all the time.
By One
August 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Happy? Hellz no!!! Not until the rest of those white collar crooks are gone to!!!! Down with Dubya, Rummy, Cheney and whoever’s left!!!!!!
By RCH
August 13, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight
I don’t see Bush flip flopping on the Iraq issue. Looks like he wants to win this one. Unlike the Immigration fiasco!
By @@
August 13, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
‘Ya just gotta love it Jim. The Democrats have sworn to pursue Rove on the AG firings. Put a “D” after Rove’s name…
“D”=Decoy
The only thing the liberals will hit with their strategic (cough) aim is “wood”.
Never forget, Rove is a political strategist.
Now that the dem candidates have adopted Bush’s strategy in Iraq, there’s room for the Republican candidates to address domestic strategies.
Let the games begin. Bush isn’t running for re-election and Rove is on the outside looking in.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
Did you turn your head when you coughed, @@?
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, looks like the morning blog was a washout, but for Southern Democrat and AmVet. I suppose the identity theft accomplished his purpose, since the blog appears to be irretrievably off-kilter now. By now, Southern, you are aware of Ann Marlow’s article in today’s WSJ with a differing point of view on Afghanistan, “On the Road to Jalalabad - Don’t believe the naysayers. Afghanistan is doing as well as anyone has a right to expect,” http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010464
AmVet, your post is mostly well-considered. I disagree with one of your lines – “And our esteemed columnist accuses others of partisanship. Unfortunately, this is typical for those high-minded neo-conservatives and their infallible judgments.” I respectfully suggest that Jim used the term pretty neutrally, the same way I use “leftist,” more as an identifier than an epithet (surely you do not suggest there will be a Republican witch hunt to get Rove?) I also think Mr. Wooten misused the term, however; a more ideologically-oriented term, such as “leftist” or perhaps even the dreaded “moonbat” would have been more appropriate, as there are no sensible Democrats who hold such bizarre feelings toward Mr. Rove.
By No Laughing Matter
August 13, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Can someone actually quantify how Dick Cheney is comparable to Thomas Jefferson, please? I have heard some dumb things before, but that one takes the cake. So Bush’s brain is leaving, finally. How will we know the difference? And what rules was Rove using in “running the country”? Certainly not the constitution. But it is nice to note that even Dusty knows that the President is not running the country, but Rove, Cheney and Company, with GWB as the figurehead.
Veto, veto, veto… good advice, Jim. Wouldn’t want to actually have anyone on the right think about a bill and consider whether it might be good for the country.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
[The gop’s blatent attempt to steal 08
This lawyer should be indicted for attempted voter fraud.
Pathetic.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight I don’t see Bush flip flopping on the Iraq issue. Looks like he wants to win this one. Unlike the Immigration fiasco!
RCH: You can’t win in the middle east. Millions have lost their lives trying. No one, since the Ottoman empire, has even come close to winning. And now that the Middle east is modernized and caught up with the rest of the world, it’s impossible to even fathom a win by a foreign country in the middle east.
Israel, is backed by US dollars and fire power, and can’t contain control over the Palestinians. Russia had to finally give up on Afghanistan, Great Britain left and divided the region into two separate countries (Iraq and Iran), because they couldn’t control it. And now,looking at all that history, you think that somehow the US, with undermanned, tired, war weary, personnel can do the impossible?
Good luck on that one.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
The gop’s blatent attempt to steal 08
This lawyer should be indicted for attempted voter fraud.
Pathetic.
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Ho hum same old liberal song and dance,
Bush bad!! Rove bad!!! Gonzalez bad! Cheney bad!! Meiers bad!! Rumsfeld bad!!(They don’t even know he isn’t in Washington now.) Generals bad!!
Nobody enlisting (but 190,000 volunteers fighting for us in Iraq)!!! Homeland Security bad (but no homeland attacks since 9/11)!! OH OH OH the sky is falling” Cut’n’run!! Libs aint having no fun!!!
You anti-war protestors and other moaners & groaners, keep running down the leaders of this country to show what fine Americans you are. The terrorists are counting on your “hate for help” program.
By jm
August 13, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
I wonder if the Iraqi parliament will be back from their vacation by the time General Petraeus gives his status report. I wonder what will happen if the Shia continue to insist on majority rule and tell the Sunnis to go pound sand. I wonder what will happen if the kurds say “thanks but no thanks” to being ruled from Baghdad after almost 20 years of managing their own affairs. Finally, I wonder how W the incompetent justifies a month long vacation in Crawford while he continues to extend the deployments of troops in Iraq.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw rocks!
By getalife
August 13, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
The one that surprised Larry Flint was Rove.
Bwa.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Correction Bill @12:34 Thanks, but I, in fact, suck.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
US ‘surge’ in Iraq ‘likely to fail’: British lawmakers.
Duh.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Our friend @@ @ 12:02 may have hit the bulls-eye, with her “decoy” argument. Even our moonbat friends are likely to credit Rove’s genius, they simply think it is misguided. Certainly the blog today reflects a breathless moonbat reaction to the Rove retirement. Could this be another Rove trap for the loonies?
The sensible 75% of the population will certainly notice; indeed the nuts are yelling at the tops of their respective shrill, tinny voices. Ultimately the Republicans will try to remind voters to recall all of this strange behavior when, 18 months from now, they determine who should be making supreme court nominations. The US public is unlikely to empower loonies.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Dear Bill @ 12:34, thank you, but I would suggest that Dusty rocks, and never more so than at 12:33. And obviously the loonies remain with us, as evidenced by the faux post at 12:37.
By MrLiberty
August 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
If he were being transferred to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes I would be happier.
Happy would have been if he had never entered the white house 7 years ago.
By Identity thief
August 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
“I suppose the identity theft (sic) accomplished his purpose, since the blog appears to be irretrievably off-kilter now.”
As George W. Bush once implied, “Mission Accomplished.” Amazing what one can get one with no creativity and limited cognitive capacity.
By Identity thief
August 13, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
“I suppose the identity theft (sic) accomplished his purpose, since the blog appears to be irretrievably off-kilter now.”
As George W. Bush once implied, “Mission Accomplished.” Amazing what one can get done with no creativity and limited cognitive capacity.
By rove
August 13, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
Not happy won’t be until BUSH is gone. Then I will party
By deegee
August 13, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
How do you come to any conclusions over a straw poll where a grand total of 14,000 people voted? Can JW assure us that the people that were bused in to Iowa over the weekend by Romney were there to vote and not just to eat the barbeque? Romney spent $2 million on the show, or $442.00 per vote. Huckabee, who finished second spent $150,000 or $58.00 per vote. Giuliani and MCain didn’t even bother showing up for it.
Thanks to insiders like JW, the Wootang Gang is privy to exciting information such as the application of new algorithms devised by the RNC in order to predict voting patterns. Code named “the Grecian Formula”, the RNC can now make more accurate predictions as to who voters are likely to reject in the coming primaries.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
Our identity thief learned his lessons well, as there is only a single purpose served by the effort: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010438
By God
August 13, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
If I pull the wings off flies, does that make me loony?
Airheaded Barbie dolls apparently rock, if what they spout is rightist.
Me, I’m sending the entire Bush administration to Hades. Oh, and you, too.
By Testing
August 13, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
text to be linked
By Bill
August 13, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
I dont think jbmlaw sucks at all, au contraire, mon frere, (with the great pair), jbmlaw posts with regular earnestness and provides a tone from which others can work.
Now, there’s nothing wrong with trolling. It’s fun for the troll, and sometimes it’s hilarious for readers. Yes, you can really put one over on some of the people some of the time.
So It’s not necessary to expose a troll. Just let whatever happens happen.
Trust me. Without the satisfaction of extorting expressed outrage , the troll will move on.
By David_M
August 13, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
Actually, I’d be happier if he had stayed. Rove is overrated. His strategy of polarizing the electorate has already backfired, and it will continue to hurt Republicans so long as they continue to stick with it. Somebody said that they thing Giuliani could take NY or NJ — not if he continues to work from the Rove playbook, he can’t.
By Identity thief
August 13, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
Thanks, but no thanks comrade. No such high-minded purpose for my hijinks here. I get satisfaction poking fun at misguided, self-important gasbags such as yourself, tftt and that intellectually challenged parrot-waif Dusty.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
corporate wh-ore media propaganda
Pathetic.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
But this particular troll, I think, is cunning, relentless and will never, ever stop, until the Wooten World is on fire and in chaos.
Since there will be no response to this, guess I’ll just go take a nap.
By Diana
August 13, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Debbiedoright Will you be so bold in September. Hillary and others are already changing their tune. Will you?
Huh?
Getalife Is it still a requirement to register for the draft. And if there isn’t you are lucky for I have been for a conflict in South East Asia.
WHAT!?! RCH have you been drinking your breakfast? You’re not making any sense!! Please repost.
Debbie I think the little worm is now adding to the legend he is in his own mind by claiming to be a Vietnam vet. Another addition to his substantial litany of lies.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
I think Gannon took Larry’s money and snitched out turd blossum.
Bwa.
By RCH
August 13, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
Debbiedoright
And now that the Middle east is modernized and caught up with the rest of the world, it’s impossible to even fathom a win by a foreign country in the middle east.
This may be true in technology, lifestyle, etc., but its laws are still dictated by the religious right that are clueless to the impending disaster that will befall them. Some of Middle Eastern Society believes their war will take the flavor of WWII. No, it will be a nuclear holocaust caused by their own immaturity.
By Bushwanked
August 13, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Of course I hate to see Rove leaving. He was smart as a whip and a person dedicated to running this country by the rules.
Looks like Dusty’s drunk again.
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
I think Mr. Rove’s legacy will be akin to Cardinal Richelieu’s. Brilliant in all respects, successful in achieving stated goals of the executor (excuse me, executive), yet damaging to the body politic of the nation-state as a whole.
As a moderate Democrat, I certainly admire Mr. Rove’s political abilities (I daresay envy), but mourn their cost. The public service goal of ensuring the election of like-minded persons to further your notion of what’s best for the U.S. is a noble one, but the ambition of creating a “permanent majority” is political hubris and leads all too quickly (as we saw from both sides) to the politics of destruction.
One other note, our Attorney General’s name is Alberto R. Gonzales, not Gonzalez. Though we might wish to change his title, he cannot change the spelling of his surname.
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
Face it, JBM, it’s the arrogant stupidity of loonie tunes freepers like yourself that endanger this country.
No way around it, trash.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
(zzzz…zzzz…) Dumb@ss liberals wouldn’t respond to me on ‘Lick-o-vick’ maybe the conservatives will talk to me…
By Shar
August 13, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw’s and Dusty’s comparison of Cheney to Jefferson is an interesting one. While Jefferson’s gentleman-agrarian Utopia soundly contrasts with Cheney’s corporate manipulator-in-chief ideal, it was Jefferson who masterminded the reckless, no-holds-barred partisan attacks of the Presidential election of 1800, which some historians believe was the most politicized in our history.
Jefferson, as Adam’s Vice President, paid for pamphlets to be printed that excoriated Adams with trumped-up accusations as well as feeding lies to the press about his “monarchial ambitions.” Jefferson, still Vice President, also secretly wrote a resolution for the Kentucky legislature, which was passed, claiming that each state could anull a federal law (in this case, the wretched Alien and Sedition Act) that it felt was unconstitutional. And there is an uncomfortable parallel between Cheney’s antigay politics, having a gay daughter on whom he depended during the election, and Jefferson’s impassioned defense of liberty while owning and depending on slaves, including his biological children with Sally Heming. Jefferson also won the Presidency, after a tie for electoral votes with Aaron Burr, based on a secret deal in the House that changed one crucial vote.
Vicious politicization, treachery, hypocrisy and ruthless self-interest. This is the underbelly of Jefferson’s brilliance, but it is the sum of Cheney.
By Dennis
August 13, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten writes, “One reason education reform never really gets rolling is that the education workplace unions are masters at planting poison pills.”
And once again in your column (Hey, we got it in writing) you demonstrate that you don’t know what in the hell you are talking about when it comes to the ills of public education and ways to help fix them.
As regards your remarks here, “A provision inserted into the law allows teachers fired for cause to continue getting paid until an arbitrator upholds their dismissal. But a teacher fired for alleged criminal conduct can’t be reviewed by an arbitrator. So a teacher facing criminal charges of raping a student, fired in 2005, has been paid almost $100,000 since — and remains on the public payroll. Conservatives should think in terms of changing the system, not tinkering with it. Tinkering doesn’t work. It doesn’t last.”, how ‘bout in tomorrow’s column, you plead the same thing about elected public officials?
No liberal will have any objection to treating the two equally. Let’s see if you do. Let’s see some of that passionate conservatism at work (in writing).
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw,
I did, indeed, read the WSJ piece on Afghanistan. I thought it typically well-written and edited (as all pre-Murdoch WSJ pieces are), but with a few gaping holes. The author tends to overlook her own facts while making questionable “excuses” (Afghanistan was always poor, etc.)
I also personally abhor the IED deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq comparison to U.S. city murder rates. As we were all reminded by the Minnesota bridge collapse and the New York manhole explosion, events of an abnormal nature (i.e., one goal of terrorism) affects the national psyche many more times over than individual murders which are statistically almost always linked to either the drug trade or family/passion, and are hardly ever random in nature.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
bwahahahaha, nobody wants to talk to me, I’m gonna do it, yes I will…
By Jack
August 13, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
Wooten asks if we are happy that Rove has left?
Let’s see. I would be happy if Rove had not lied to the veterans in SC in the 2000 electon about war hero John McCain being left mentally unbalanced by his POW experiences. (or that McCain had had a child with a black prostitute)
Or if he had not outed a CIA operative whose specialty was Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Or if he had not fired REPUBLICAN prosecutors because they would not investigate innocent people so the GOP could win close elections.
Or if, and this is too much to ask for, if Jim Wooten was not such a partisan hack that he could actually think instead of drinking the Bush kool-aid every day where he ignores 4 long years of lies about Iraq… WMDS… the press won’t report the “good” things… the surge is working.. etc.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
*(zzz…zzz…Bill taking a permanent dirt-nap)
By liberalextremist
August 13, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
**”Only time will tell, of course, if Mr. Bush was remotely close to being correct about Iraq or not, but I believe there is one thing that is irrefutable - Rove, Cheney, Bush, et al have demonstrated an arrogance, no hubris, and intransigence, hopefully not again seen for a long time in the White House.
Hey, its good to have a dream, isn’t it?”**
Amen, AmVet!
By Shar
August 13, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Southern Democrat@ 1:41: I couldn’t agree more with your summation of Rove. I would only add that his perfection of the politics of marginalization, substituting smear and personal attack for thoughtful discussion of issues, has undermined what still existed of respectful negotiation and compromise and propelled the nation into hardened and bitter antipathy. It’s not a legacy to honor, and it will be extremely hard to recover from.
By Jackie
August 13, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
I am sad that Karl Rove was not frog-marched out of the White House ahead of Alberto, Dick and Dubya.
By Sally Hemmings
August 13, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
Jefferson v Cheney
They didn’t call him “long Tom” for nuthin’…
By No Laughing Matter
August 13, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Shar, thanks for that enlightening post. I mistakenly thought that JBM was making a comparison of Cheney to Jefferson’s good characteristics and qualities. Somehow, statesman, thinker, intellectual, philosopher, etc, don’t seem to apply the shadow president. Did Jefferson shoot anyone while he was in office?
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Well, wouldn’t you know? Shar even knows some dirt on Thomas Jefferson.
Shar, is there anything POSITIVE in your life? Have you ever noticed anything notable in anyone?
Thomas Jefferson was one of the most brilliant in the originators of our government. Our documents have held up well over the years probably due to his expertise.
So you want to bring up Jefferson’s “underbelly”, mainly because a conservative made a good point about him.
Cheney is brilliant in this day and time. That quality has been recognized by many in government who were quick to enlist his enormous talent. He has served well under many Presidents. There is no indictment, no moral lapse, no family failure in his record.
As with most smart people, he is also a good businessman. I think you do not like that either. You mentioned treachery. Like what?
If you want to claim treachery, look no farther than your own propaganda. You have gone all the way back to the Revolution looking for dirt, just to smear the administration of the USA. You are just another far left lib speaking the usual hate lines against our government’s leaders.
By Shar
August 13, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
No Laughing Matter: There were rumors about a duel during his diplomatic posting to France, but I am unaware of any confirmed gunplay. John Adams would have said, however, that Jefferson was very handy with a knife from behind. They became friends again after eleven years, when Jefferson finally admitted what he had done, and their ensuing mutual correspondence is as yeasty a national resource as was Adams’ with his wife, Abigail.
Jefferson did, however, passionately support a war that he refused to personally fight in. Does that count? It is worth remembering, however, that Jefferson’s support invoked a price on his head in pounds sterling, while Cheney’s war support has flooded his own hands with sterling.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
“CNBC anchor Erin Burnett, on Friday’s Hardball:
A lot of people like to say, scaremonger about China, right? A lot of politicians and I know you talk about that issue all the time. I think people should be careful what they wish for on China — you know, if China were to revalue its currency, or China is to start making, say, toys that don’t have lead in them, or food that isn’t poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up. And that means prices at Walmart, here in the United States, are going to go up too. So, I would say China is our greatest friend right now.They’re keeping prices low, and they’re keeping prices for mortgages low too.”
So, that is what she said to make tweety hit on her.
Insane.
Geez.
By Dennis
August 13, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
By Dusty August 13, 2007 2:25 PM “Cheney is brilliant in this day and time.”
Many of the world’s most brilliant people are behind bars where they belong. Cheney would be in good company there.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By No Laughing Matter
August 13, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Dusty, it isnt’ enough to say Cheney is brilliant in this day and time. First, it isn’t true, and second, what would you base that on? Give some specifics. Is it is total disregard for the constitution, his complete and utter arrogance toward his political enemies, his acting in secret and behind closed doors, or some other “brilliant” characterstic the ordinary among us are not aware of? Remember, he enlisted himself in this government. The hubris that led him to select himself for veep has been on display for these six long years of national nightmare. Please enlighten us with specifics so that we may know the “brilliance” that Dick Cheney hides so well.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
Danger Will Robinson!!! Danger!!!
Dusty has blown a fuse!! Everybody run for the hills, get out while you can!
By Perky Perkerson
August 13, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
“Thomas Jefferson was one of the most brilliant in the originators of our government. Our documents have held up well over the years probably due to his expertise.”
He invented lamination, you see.
Geez
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
Oh my Shar,
How about a list of all the poor Democratic leaders who are still poor? Those that missed “flooding their hands with silver” while working for the government. Let’s see: Pelosi, Edwards, Reid, Durban, Boxer, Kennedy, Shumer,et al ..all poor as church mice and all working in Washington during this war. Oh but that’s DIFFERENT!! Yes, they are all wealthy but were sacrificing while Cheney was sufficing..or something. NO INDICTMENTS & NO GUILT…just plain old insinuations as usual at Cheney.
By Stinky Stinkerson
August 13, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
By Dusty August 13, 2007 2:25 PM “Cheney is brilliant in this day and time.”
But tomorrow around, oh, let’s say 3:11 p.m. that may not be true.
Hyuck.
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
No laughing matter,2:41
YOU are the one saying Cheney is guilty of something! You don’t know what but something you are sure. Well, tell us what it is? I mean something that would stand up in court. WHAT IS IT??
There isn’t anything and you know it. You are just another liberal on the loose who talks and talks but can’t prove a thing.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Yes, dusty and all the other wingnuts heads are exploding all over the blogtopia.
Good times:]
Happy? Hell yes!
Bwa.
By Shar
August 13, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 2:25: I went back to the Revolution because that’s where you went in supporting jbmlaw’s comparison. And yes, I have noticed many positive, notable things in others, including in your posts. However, I strive to maintain a balanced perspective, considering both the good and the not-so-good. Theodore Roosevelt, that Republican icon, said that Jefferson was the least able man who ever held the presidency, which seems to me to be overly harsh. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, including my own personal American political hero, Abraham Lincoln (cliched, I know, but true), who abrogated the Constitution by suspending habeas corpus in Maryland. A great man and a good man, but imperfect like us all.
In reading your posts over time, there are a couple of consistent themes that tend to undermine your arguments, and which are reminiscent of Mr. Rove’s tactics. Your points are all-or-nothing, ‘with us or agin’ us’, with little consideration of the substance of someone else’s point of view. You also seem to fall back reflexively on personal attacks. Why on earth would you imply that I have nothing positive in my life, when this is the very first time I have ever addressed you? Or suggest that I ‘even know dirt’ on Jefferson, when what I recounted is common knowledge? Or categorize me as hate-spewing “far left lib”, when you have no familiarity with my political views? Throwing out unsubstantialed, immoderate accusations in place of considered thought gives your posts the appearance of irrational rants and undermines the credibility of your positions.
You are clearly a loyal American citizen with a passion for your country. I believe it was also T. Roosevelt who said that a loyal citizen gives of his (or her) brain as well as brawn, that following like sheep is not loyalty but laziness, that active citizenry think critically for the betterment of a beloved nation. I don’t believe that ignoring facts or brandishing wholesale accusations is in keeping with active citizenry, and I also don’t believe that personal attacks encourage thoughtful, respectful interaction.
Oh, and treachery? The exposing of a covert operative’s name is recognized as treasonable.
By Redneck Convert
August 13, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
If somebody don’t run and take the hard cider away from Sister Dusty, we’ll all be sorry. Next thing we’ll be reading is about how Richard Nixon was the George Washington of his times and how George W. Bush wrote the bible. She don’t hold her likker too good.
By getalife
August 13, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Clean up on aisle 2:56.
dusty’s head exploded.
Ewwwwwww, what a mess.
Bhahahahaha!
By Halliraq
August 13, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Dicky Doo was pretty shrewd when it came to devising a scheme to use cutouts and subsidiery companies to do business with terrorist states such as Libya, Iraq, and Iran while CEO of Halliburton in spite of prohibitions. Got to give him credit for the evil genius that he possesses. This self proclaimed “super patriot” also was very skilled in doing an end run around the rules, using the U.N. Oil for Food program to do business with Saddam. Dick Cheney has no morals, ethics, or scruples. He has consistently put commerce before country. He is no patriot by any stretch of the imagination.
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Dear Southern @ 1:41, shhh, we are counting on the moonbats reacting in a manner different from your intelligent post. They may read and learn from you, which would have horrific repercussions for my team. If they started sounding rational and considerate like you, my guys would not have a chance.
Dear conservative friends, funny interview with Karl Rove, says we can win 2008, and is persuasive, @ http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010465 .
By jbmlaw
August 13, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
You leftist moonbats are ganging up on my friend Dusty, but your efforts are completely impotent.
Her points are well reasoned, completely logical, morally upright and therefore unassailable.
For instance, this gem provides an example of her perfection: “How about a list of all the poor Democratic leaders who are still poor? Those that missed “flooding their hands with silver” while working for the government. Let’s see: Pelosi, Edwards, Reid, Durban, Boxer, Kennedy, Shumer,et al ..all poor as church mice and all working in Washington during this war. Oh but that’s DIFFERENT!! Yes, they are all wealthy but were sacrificing while Cheney was sufficing..or something. NO INDICTMENTS & NO GUILT…just plain old insinuations as usual at Cheney.”
Surely Jefferson himself could not be more eloquent. I rest my case.
By DebbieDoRight
August 13, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
Quotes from Famous Republicans:
“I gotta get out of this place, it’s all liberals here.” said in early 1993, he took off with everything he owned, and began driving around America, hoping to find some meaning in his life. Timothy McVeigh
By No Laughing Matter
August 13, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
I am not saying he is “guilty”, I am saying that he ignores the constitution, ridicules and belittles his opponents, works in secrecy, ignores Congressional oversight authority, cooks up crazy arguments to avoid having any checks and balances on his authority, shoots friends and gets them to apologize, makes unsupported statements about our enemies, fails to properly plan for the post war occupation of Iraq, selects himself for veep, etc., etc. ad nauseum. He may not be “guilty” of anything other than complete arrogance, but he is clearly not “brilliant”, or a statesman, or a deep thinker. So, I ask again that you enlighten us as to why you consider him to be “brilliant” and “similar to Thomas Jefferson”?
By Bill
August 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
And now…..deep thoughts by Jack Handey.
“If I were an ant, then a POS would look like a mountain. I hope I never get drunk and try to climb that mountain, cause if I do, I’ll not be able to avoid steppin in it, and that would ruin my shoes. “
By Arthur
August 13, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Maybe she needs to hook up with RCH. From what I hear he would eventually knock some sense into her.
By Shar
August 13, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw @ 3:07 and Dusty: I failed to make my comparison clear. As Dusty made plain, being wealthy is not a sin in an of itself, unless you take unauthorized shortcuts as did several politicians of every stripe. My comparison was the risk/reward ration of Jefferson and Cheney’s support for the wars of their time. Jefferson put his “life, liberty and sacred honor” firmly on the choppping block by advocating revolution against the most powerful nation in his world. Cheney has made a packet for his friends and himself by advocating a new American paradigm of unprovoked military aggression on the part of the strongest nation in our world.
Sorry for the confusion.
By JK
August 13, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
NO INDICTMENTS & NO GUILT…just plain old insinuations as usual at Cheney
Hey bogus lawyer man, can we admit the following FACTS into evidence, then? Or will you get some Repub-appointed “activist judge” to squelch the evidence, wink wink, nudge nudge?
(1) Cheney held secret meetings with his energy exec buddies while collecting a paycheck as a public servant, and then claimed they were classified, and refused to allow the sunshine laws to illuminate either what was discussed or what was agreed upon regarding national policy and the role of this room full of his buddies.
(2) He violated Senate decorum by telling an elected US Senator to go “EFF” himself.
(3) He shot his friend in the face on Saturday, and refused to discuss the matter with police or take a breath test until Sunday. (4) He refused to testify to the 9/11 commission until it was guaranteed that he would not be sworn under oath, and there would be no public record of said testimony. (5) Halliburton stock has been performing quite well since 2003. (6) He recently stated for the record that he was not part of the executive branch, even though he had previously cited executive privilege for his secret meetings.
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
Dear Shar,
I do not need or ask for your survey of my posts. You brought up nothing positive AGAIN. Jefferson stands in history as a leader and brilliant. I do not bother with the dirt.
Your every post has leaned liberal without a doubt. I have read them quite a few times and know what to expect. And if you want a critique of YOUR posts, I would say you are an old Democrat who taught history in high school or a small college. You are not mean enough to be big time academe but write well enough for the other. Do you like critiques? We can all give them.
You presented nothing that was an indictment of Cheney. Just the usual rumors and somebody said. Not one thing illegal.
Yes, I am a loyal American and do not like the injustice being dumped on our Republican leaders. They are human and not perfect like all of us but they are not criminal. That is what liberal Democrats WANT them to be.
But there is nothing to prove even as Democrats spend most of their time trying to find something. Give it up. Appreciate your country for a change and show it.
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
May I make a respectful plea to the i.d. hijacker to cease using Jbmlaw’s moniker? Each of your fake “postings” is glaringly obvious and not at all helpful to the conversation I look forward to having in this Comments section each day. I am certain that your cleverness could be better utilized by engaging in either the tete a tete I choose to attempt to engage in or, as the real Jbmlaw describes it, the “other” thread with more spirited debate and (sometimes) a bit coarser language.
By HUH?
August 13, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
Dear conservative friends, funny interview with Karl Rove, says we can win 2008, and is persuasive
Is this the same Karl Rove who sat on national TV, pre-election 2006 by a mere week or so, and predicted the GOP would maintain ownership of both houses of Congress in the 2006 election?
THAT same Karl Rove?
By Bucky Buckerson
August 13, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
jumbo, if you weren’t not predictable in your insistence that ol’ airhead is a brilliant deep thinker, people would not swallow an obvious parody as more of your cotton candy spun from rabbit pellets. Ha.
By Bucky Buckerson
August 13, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
jumbo, if you weren’t so predictable in your insistence that ol’ airhead is a brilliant deep thinker, people would not swallow an obvious parody as more of your cotton candy spun from rabbit pellets. Ha.
By By contrast
August 13, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
Yea, well look what happened when Clinton shot his friend in the face. Millions of dollars to investigate that.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
and now, Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey.
“If a dog didn’t know it was a dog, and thought it was a cat, would it scratch up your furniture and use a litter box?”
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
On a lighter note, does anybody have a good recipe for fruitcake? Christmas will be here before you know it and the stuff helps keep me regular.
I respectfully decline, sir.
By HUH?
August 13, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
Karl Rove, White House adviser:
I’m looking at all of these [races] and adding them up. I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I’m entitled to the math. [10/24/06]
Google search was:
“rove predicts 2006 election outcome”
By What?
August 13, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
By By contrast
August 13, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
Yea, well look what happened when Clinton shot his friend in the face. Millions of dollars to investigate that.
HUH! Who did Clinton shoot in the face? Monica Lewinsky? Please fill me in.
By Jim Wooten
August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Southern Democrat, you’re a welcomed addition to this blog, but as one who hates fruit cake, I cannot allow this forum to be used to spread fruit cake recipes.
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
He apparently did shoot her in the face, but some dripped onto her dress.
You asked for it, you got it.
By What a coup!
August 13, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Punked Wooten on his own blog! Well, no need to require registration, now. I retire, fully satisfied.
By Lily Toad
August 13, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
That last comment (which I doubt is by the REAL So. Democrat) bears out Angela Tuck’s comment: online commentary, especially the unsigned kind, is comprised of grade-school humor and racial and sexual banter that do little to promote the thoughtful exchange of ideas.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar was found dead, an apparent suicide. They think it was a suicide, because his body was found by Col. Mustard with the knife in the library……
By Southern Democrat
August 13, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
I hope that Mr. Wooten and others will recognize that the postings @ 3:38 and 4:03 are not me, but the work of the i.d. hijacker.
By jm
August 13, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
let’s see if this gets through: “bye bye, turd blossom”
By Has a nice ring to it
August 13, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
The i.d. hijacker, sounds cool, kind of like jack the ripper, or the green hornet.
By catlady
August 13, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this
I won’t be “happy” till quite a few other of these clowns are gone—gone to jail!
By Dusty
August 13, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
Aw rats, Jim Wooten,
First my lovely reply to jk was lost in space and then you prohibit fruit cake recipes. Next you won’t let me mention Manichevitz, the nectar of the gods and fruit cakes.
But you are right. There certainly are enough “nuts” here without adding any more, even with a recipe. A very clever move indeed.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head in an Easy Bake Oven….
By @@
August 13, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
A recipe for fruit roll-ups would’ve been preferred.
By BS Aplenty
August 13, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
I am especially envious of those bloggers who are respectful in their discourse whether they chose argument, rhetoric or humor. Those who practice such courtesies are worthy of respect if only for their decency.
On the other hand, this blog wouldn’t be worth spit if we didn’t overthrow the PC-infected discourse of some conversations. I don’t recall anybody needing an ambulance for harsh language and I, for one, enjoy the give and take even when someone calls me a Nazi - or worse. I’d rather have the honesty.
Again, let me praise those on those who take the high road and conduct themselves with dignity and let me encourage those who use that “coarser language” to at least have something funny to say.
To the ID Jacker & all my many liberal friends - BITE ME!!
By No Laughing Matter
August 13, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
It’s getting a little late in the day and I still haven’t seen anyone actually give a fact-based rationale for favorably comparing Cheney to Thomas Jefferson. Plenty of platitudes, but no facts. Nothing like a little over the top comparison to make Monday go faster.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head in an Easy Bake Oven.
His mutilated body was discovered by Col. Mustard with the rope in the library.
His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a hula-hoop, but was unsuccessful.
The pair were depressed lately over allowing all the Poison-me Elmos to get into the USA.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head inside an Easy Bake Oven.
His mutilated body was discovered by Col. Mustard, with the rope, in the library.
His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a GI Joe w/Kung Fu Grip, but was unsuccesful.
By AmVet
August 13, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
AmVet, you’re a moron if you think there has been one single redeeming thing done by the pack of jackals called the Bush administration.
Color me a moron, GHT!
Because to me, ripping up some Taliban a$$ in Afghanistan was pretty redeeming.
Sorry, I just can’t seem to get the hang of this all or nothing mentality.
But let me try:
You know, your guy is incapable of doing anything right.
And my guy is incapable of doing anything wrong.
And by extension, neither can I!
I have all the answers!!
I KNOW EVERYTHING!!! And all of you puny humans can’t carry my jock!!!
Wow, that felt kinda good. I think I’m intoxicated with this new found power!
We now resume our regular broadcast…
By @@
August 13, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Bill?
Did you turn your head when you coughed, @@?
Let me guess Bill, you were looking for an opportunity to fantasize about holding someone’s “nuts”…having “nuts”?
You should really just settle for being “a nut”.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar committed suicide yesterday by sticking his head into an Easy Bake Oven.
His assistant also tried to strangle himself with a GI Joe equipped with the KungFu Grip.
By Shar
August 13, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
Just back from the dentist, whence - if he had been of the all-or-nothing school so revered on this blog - I would have returned either toothless or still unclean. I am happy to report that he used his mind evaluate the good and the bad of my teeth, and acted accordingly. I don’t know how better to support a measured and reasonable approach, and I appreciate the improved outcome.
Dusty, you got me on old. I took history at a large university, have never taught and have never affiliated myself with a political party. I dislike and distrust them in equal measure, and so evaluate candidates independently (that critical thinking thing again!) I voted for Bush once, and if absolutely pushed into a voting booth right now I’d vote for Richardson or, among the front runners, I’d reluctantly vote for Guliani.
Your projection of what “liberal Democrats want” is indicative of the poison that has polluted the country, and is foolish beyond permission. Liberal Democrats, like conservative Republicans, agnostic Libertarians or even apolitical coal miners, want what they perceive to be best for this country. Only the few, like the Unibomber or Timothy McVeigh, want to force an evil of their own devising. The rest of us want to make the country better. All of us. We differ on the specific goals and tactics, but an exchange of those ideas should benefit everyone. Using tactics of accusation, ridicule and marginalization undermines the country, as does wilfull ignorance of mistakes. “I do not bother with dirt” means “I will not acknowledge or learn from errors”, and that attitude has crippled the Bush Administration.
Your admonition, “But there is nothing to prove even as Democrats spend most of their time trying to find something” sounds precisely like what the Democrats said about the Republican effort to impeach and convict Clinton. You cannot support one and not the other. Political parties’ slash and burn techniques, at the country’s expense, are disgusting and dangerous, and are a chief reason why I’d never join or endorse one.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar used a rare KungFu Grip Equipped GI Joe to strangle himself after he became depressed over reports of Poison-Me Elmos harming children in the USA.
His assistant also tried to kill himself by sticking his head inside of an Easy Bake Oven, but couldn’t read the assembly directions, which were written in Chinese.
By catlady
August 13, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten: Thank God you drew the line on subjecting this blog to the likes of fruitcake recipes (unless you are talking about East Tennessee fruit cake, also called Stack Cake). However, I would point out that there are ALREADY a lot of fruitcakes, both left-and right-handed, on this blog.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
Point of order: The KungFu Grip equipped GI Joe has been responsible for fifty seven accidental stranglings in the USA since being introduced in 1982.
It was considered to be the most painful form of suicide until defective hula hoops were used in genital mutilation by Zulu tribes in Botswania.
Do not try any of this at home, kids.
By Bill
August 13, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this
The Chinese Toy Czar left a suicide note on an etch-n-sketch.
By catlady
August 13, 2007 10:37 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten: Thank God you drew the line on subjecting this blog to the likes of fruitcake recipes (unless you are talking about East Tennessee fruit cake, also called Stack Cake). However, I would point out that there are ALREADY a lot of fruitcakes, both left-and right-handed, on this blog.