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DEL.ICIO.USLeaders’ silence is a dodge that cheats our children
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The great void that exists in the most urgent problem facing the American family, and the black family in particular, is the absence of voices. The silence of leaders, the averted gaze of those who are otherwise judgmental, is the greatest disservice black America does its children.
About 70 percent of black children are born to unmarried parents. Among whites, it’s almost a quarter, among Hispanics, almost half.
The number has grown so large that no politician, nor any black leader dependent on a following, dare speak. So they rally, recycle and re-enact, occasionally pausing to dally in the trivial and the absurd — rushing to the defense of a millionaire athlete indicted in a dogfighting scheme, for example, as both the NAACP and the SCLC are doing. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference had indicated it would “honor” Michael Vick at its national convention but Monday evening said that it would not.
That’s a national convention, mind you, where the litany of black America’s concerns is cataloged for the media, policymakers, opinion leaders and government. “This is not just about Michael Vick, but anyone who might have made mistakes,” SCLC President Charles Steele told the AJC’s Ernie Suggs. “We can’t throw a life away.”
Yet we do.
More than two-thirds of all black children in America are born into a state that virtually guarantees financial and emotional distress long before they are old enough to encounter overt discrimination.
It’s a mystery, in part at least, why so few activists and opinion leaders in the middle class take the risk to confront the obvious. One is that most everybody is vulnerable to accusations of hypocrisy, either because they’ve had a failed marriage or made a mistake in their youth, and in this society hypocrisy is a capital offense. The concern here, though, is not the failed marriage or the youthful indiscretion. It’s the willful act of self-centered adults inflicting harm on children.
The chief justice of the Georgia Supreme Court, Leah Ward Sears, spoke last month as part of a series of lectures on the family at the Chautauqua Institution in New York, an institution endowed by Lewis Miller, an Ohio inventor and the father-in-law of Thomas Edison. She spoke on the decline of marriage and its consequences for children. She was not talking specifically of black children, but rather of the 36 percent of all children born to unmarried women, as well as the children of divorce and those being raised by a single adult.
“Never in my wildest dreams did I foresee a day when marriage, an historically child-centered relationship, would become almost completely adult-centered, promoting and protecting the freedom of adults to indulge their desires, sometimes to the detriment of the well-being and eventual development of children,” Sears said. “But the numbers, which are staggering, indicate that we are at that point.”
Fatherhood, she noted, “is being pushed even farther into the margins of society.”
“Families, neighborhoods, communities and ethnic groups or social classes in which marriage is common have powerful advantages for children over those in which marriage is no longer the normal paradigm for having and raising children,” Sears said. “To ignore the decline of marriage, therefore, not only puts individual children at risk, it also sets in motion a self-perpetuating cycle of disadvantage. …”
While many single parents work hard and sometimes successfully, children born to unmarried women are found in any number of studies to be at increased risk of poverty, school failure, abuse, delinquency, emotional distress and mental illness. While the absence of a second income may account for half of a child’s lower achievement, most of the remaining disadvantage is due to inadequate parental guidance and attention and weak ties to community resources.
America has put its children on two tracks. One leads to a world where “marriage is the usual and generally reliable framework for raising children,” the other to “communities in which marriage has virtually disappeared as a reasonable and normal precursor to childbearing.”
Two Americas. One programmed at birth to succeed. The other to fail.
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By Analchord
August 7, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this
Journalist’s racism is a smokescreen that cheats our Troops.
Black America? Hispanics? White? Why would you perpetuate this myth about congential defects of the unworthy?
We’re Americans. We aren’t angels, we’re Americans. Americans!
Wooten refuses to write one word about Iraq, because in so doing, he knows that Americans know enough to tell when he’s spinning, and he doesn’t want to be exposed as a puppet.
Our troops deserve journalistic integrity about the war. They are willing to fight, and they want support, but news is news. They deserve a country where the news is uncensored.
The war in Iraq is the biggest news around. Write all about it.
By effort
August 7, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this
Wooten has many good points that are hard to disagree with. The problem lies in the hypocrisy associated with this position. The abstinence-based sex ed and the discouraging of birth control that are often congruous with this position are contradictory to honestly addressing the problem. These problems definitely need to be tackled, but tackled holistically and realistically.
By Jeff
August 7, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten:
Here’s a big AMEN!!
Off topic:
Did you see Tancredo and Paul in the debates Sunday? Makes me hope all the more for a Paul/ Tancredo ticket. (Paul POTUS, Tancredo VP)
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 7, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
Your column this morning suggests an even deeper theme than the obvious matter of fatherhood or the absence thereof in many facets of our society. It goes to the fundamental issue of what is to be the male role in the 21st century.
I am convinced that the male role is experiencing a more profound change than the female role did in the last half of the 20th century. However, this change is more subtle, and its consequences have more potential for good and evil.
I frankly admit that I do not know what the expected role for my grandson will be when he is my age. Many of the changes I am witnessing inspire me, but others suggest dark and ominous trends.
By Redneck Convert
August 7, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Well, I’m not suprized Those People have so many illegal kids. The job of us good Christian conservatives is pretty clear. We need to shun Those People as Great Sinners and Unchristian. We can’t go paying their doctor bills and giving welfare and making it look like its OK for them all to live in Sin. We make a mockry of God when we do that. We need to get tough and use Law and Order to deal with the problem.
So here is Redneck Convert’s program to deal with the problem:
So if Wooten won’t deal with the problem instead of complaining about it I will. I know the good Christian conservatives on this blog will support my program. It’s very cheap and it will work. Good people like jbmlaw and TFTT and Sister Dusty and Van and RCH can just pocket plenty of money instead of giving it to the guvmint. And they can keep their nose in the air and show people how Moral and Godly they are. Of course, my program might be a little hard on the kids, but you can’t be true to God’s Word without cracking down on the problem. We got to have Law and Order even if it does hurt a few people.
I didn’t hardly sleep last night, thinking about how Sister Dusty called me a big phony yesterday. All I got to say is it wasn’t very Christian and Godly of her. I intend to pray for her soul.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Maybe Black leaders have a problem condemning children out of wedlock. Especially Jesse Jackson. It is easier to blame their ills on Society and yes; It is Presidents Bush’s fault.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
Are there any Sunnis left in the Parliament.
Is the President of Iraq a Kurd?
Who are the Kurds and why are they saying all those terrible things about the Sunnis?
By Jeff
August 7, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this
effort:
Is it wrong to not only want fathers involved in the lives of their children but also to be RESPONSIBLE role models for their children?
Part of being RESPONSIBLE is to know how to control oneself.
By Ray
August 7, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
Leave the ‘deadbeat dad’ alone Jim - they dump billions into the market…tying them up in a marriage slows the economy…thought you were a conservative?
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
Describe any scenario where we could withdraw our troops from Iraq.
Dont say when the terrorists all surrender, because there are five fronts in the war on Iraq, each with a different enemy, and they aint all terrorists.
name the five fronts in the war on Iraq.
what is meant by the term, “rogue shia militia”?
who is Sadr? Where is Sadr?
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
What is the nature of Al Queda in Iraq?
Why are the Kurds dug in up North? Are they armed? Who armed them?
Are Persians arabs? Or is this two distinct ethnic groups?
What is the diff between ethnic and sectarian violence?
By Dave
August 7, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Analchord I hope you don’t actually believe you are adding any value to this conversation. I bet people say that to you a lot…
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
The Woo-ten KKKlanners will try to make this a black-white thing, but b-astardy has always been central to southron redneck family life, and, since people Klanners like to call “black” (when they aren’t using the “n word”, or Cynthia McKinney) are just as much inheritors of southron redneck culture as southron “whites”; it is their culture that dooms them, not the Great Society or other forms of liberalism.
Having a sorryarse on site for a father is not going to help these kids. Given the moral degeneracy of the typical southron, their alcohol and substance abuse, and just plain ignorant stupidity, the best thing most southern men can do for their children is walk away. One worthless parent is better than having two. Be honest - when have you ever met a southron man who was a decent parent - or woman, for that matter.
True, it is stupid to support the degeneracy that passes for southron family life. The answer is more aggressive government intervention, building orphanages to hold these children, as opposed to letting them be raised by neglectful drunken drug-addicted animals. The other would be government incentives to have abortions, perhaps a couple of hundred dollars worth of lottery tickets and some Red Man, or PBR, or Schlitz Malt Liquor (in an effort to promote diversity).
But bottomline, it is southron family rape culture that produces drug addicts, criminals, prostitutes, broken homes, and teen pregnancy in epidemic proportions, not our welfare system.
I do think this is a serious societal problem - let’s just get the facts in front of us…
I welcome your dialogue today on this…
GHT
By Well done!
August 7, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this
Excellent commentary! This issue is one of many that we as Black America need to discuss and address immediately, and it is sad that organizations such as the SCLC, NAACP, etc are relunctant to do so for whatever reason. In my opinion, the decline of the Black family is having an detrimental impact on our society.
By Ms. Writer
August 7, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
oh ok, I get it, white people are GREAT examples of marraige, non-violence, family…please.
By JD
August 7, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
GHT,
I forced myself to read your boring entry today and found just what I expected - pure nonsense. Are you also Analchord and Redneck Convert?
The problem facing the South for more than 50 years now is uncontrolled immigration of Yankees and their perverted value system with a “me-first” theme.
By nobody
August 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
To: GodHatesTrash What in the world are you talking about. Either you’re on here to just get a response or you’re and idiot. How can you say that it’s “southron whites” that are causing 70% of black kids to live with one parent? Give me a break. That is why racism is never going to die because people like you blame everyone else but themselves and causes the rest of us to not feel sorry for you. By the way nice spelling.
By TW
August 7, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
The problem with the South is that it has become the country’s moral ghetto…the South sold it’s soul when it traded in ‘southern’ for ‘redneck’…the ten states with the lowest SAT scores in ‘04 all voted for bush - lots of South represented in that fine fact…yee ha…
By jbmlaw
August 7, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. All of Jim’s argument is applicable to white meth families also, of course. Nevertheless, the essay today causes me to ask, “what, today, is Bill Cosby’s standing among our black brothers?” I recall much criticism of Mr. Cosby’s caustic commentary a few years ago, but he did not retract his comments; to my best recollection nobody ever challenged his arguments, or if they did, they did not do so effectively.
Assuming Jim’s argument on the environment is correct, what then? I am unpersuaded that the solution is to be found in the leadership of the black community; that certainly does not appear to be a factor among white meth families. I don’t think the current leadership is causative of the problem, and I doubt that new blood will eliminate the problem.
Our friend TFTT takes a lot of heat for his pointed commentary on the problems of the “hip hop” culture, but his Cassandrean observations are undoubtedly valid. The culture among meth whites is the same, although it does not have such a catchy name. I suspect leadership will not be able to change a cultural problem, especially one that seemingly has invaded every “respectable” aspect of the culture. Whether we are talking about athletes or preachers or entertainers of the more conventional types, our most visible role models have been less than role models. “Sir” Charles Barkley – one fellow I truly admire, for his candor if nothing else – once vocally expressed his desire to not bear the burden of “role model.” That position is thrust upon all of us, without invitation; the only question is whether we respond appropriately.
Justice Sears may have the key to the problem. I understand that in many ancient cultures, no marriage was recognized until there was fruit of the marriage, even in supposedly monogamous cultures. Until our culture becomes child-centric in its daily affairs, there is little hope for the young denizens. As a society, we have become lazy, delegating traditional family duties to Leviathan. Until we expel the government from our daily lives, I am pessimistic about the possibility of our culture taking personal responsibility for the future.
By Liberal Drive-by
August 7, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
For once Jim I agree with you. I don’t know what the problem is with my brothers but I know it will never be solved. Marriage isn’t the cure-all. Fathers just have to be good, active role models whether he’s married to the mother or not. Unfortunately it rarely happens in the poor/uneducated black community and what you get are these young idiots robbing and killing.
By saywhat?
August 7, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
If having two parents, married to each other, is so important to the welfare of children, why is Jim against allowing gay marriage, and the adoption of children by gay married couples? Hasn’t research shown that children raised in such situations do just as well as those in a hetrosexual home? If Jim really wants whats best for kids, perhaps he can put aside his ideological objections to gay marriage. Are the children of homosexuals less worthy, and should they be automatically put into the, as Jim calls it, “programmed to fail” America?
By jbmlaw
August 7, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
I’ll invoke the standard of our friend JK, and demand a point of order. “Hypocrisy” does not mean “changing your mind” or “trying to do better.” “Hypocrisy” means advocating something on does not believe, sorta like daily work as an attorney. In contrast, merely failing to live up to one’s standards is “weakness.” One can truly believe in an ideal, and fail to achieve the ideal, without hypocrisy.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
God save us from the christians. God gets more worship out of a rock being a rock than out of all of Dave’s shouted prayers and tithes. That I can guarantee. That I know for a fact.
The crusades saw christians sacking christian towns and killing all the christians in them to get the handful of moslems that were hiding.
This is what Islam is seeing christiams do in Iraq today. It’s not true, but they dont know that it’s not true. they dont trust anything about us.
You’ve heard them say, there’s no military solution, but there’s a political solution. Whose politics?
If there is a political solution, then it has escaped the arabs, persians, and kurds for 10K years.
Iraq is the issue, not the inferiority of one american compared to another. It’s an insult to the AJC and their readers to not address the reality on the ground in Iraq every single day we have troops there.
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
Luckovich has a cartoon today where a family is remembering their vacation through snapshots of their delayed departure stays in airports. Well, imagine army veterans remembering the Iraq war in photos of themselves and saying, “This is when we were fighting to find the WMDs. This is when we were fighting them there so we wouldn’t have to fight them here. this is when we were fighting to depose Saddam. This is when we were fighting AL Queda in Iraq…this is when we were fighting the rogue shia militias, this is when we were fighting the Bathist Remnants and this is where we were fighting the Sunni Insurgency…and that’s what I did in the war, Grandson…….”
I know, you get the bit…..
By LaToya Robertspn
August 7, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
You made some very valid points, I jsut wonder why everytime, that a conservative white man wants to make a point they have to do it by pointing out every short coming they can of minitories. I am a black 25 year old female, married no children and my husband and I both obstanded until we were married. My husband is biracial but raised mostly by his white mother. While growing up everyone that I new that had a single parent household was white, everyone that I knew who’s parents where divorced, divorcing or cheating on each other and everyone knew it was white. I had 2 white friends whose parents where still together, and they are the only ones that were sexually active in my circle of friends and they are the only ones that I know to this day that aren’t married and living on the system. I understand what you are saying and to some degree I agree. But if your so damn insightful then why can’t you or any other conservatives look at the whole picture, instead of what your one sided mind see’s. And for the redneck that decided to write that ignorant comment, kill yourself.
By Liberal Drive-by
August 7, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
Anyone want to take bets on what time TFTT will point out the latest black crime? I say around 10:42AM. The winner gets an English tongue lashing.
By Jeff
August 7, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
jbm:
Your 9:01 (and particularly the last sentence thereof) gets the second big AMEN of the morning!
By Dave
August 7, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
The first response is the best indication of what is really going on. People cry racism so fast that people who are not black do not feel they have a right to say anything about it. So we step aside as a collective and hope someone who is part of that minority will say something.
A combination of fear of political correctness and devotion to liberalism will keep making things worse for all our minority communities.
In a world where good hearted comments are condemned if you are not a member of that minority, the stone hearted win the argument.
By Ben
August 7, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this
Charles Barkley was happy enough to take the millions of dollars fans spent to see him play. Being a good role model for young black and white men should be part of the job description, not something he can opt out of. It’s that sort of attitude, that no one owes anything back, that hurts more than anything.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this
This is where I was blogging to prevent ignorance.
This is where I was blogging to prevent racism and hate.
This is where I was blogging to educate the Right about the mission of US troops in Iraq.
This is where I was blogging to stop fools from being themselves.
This is where……..(the ajc has stuffed a sock in this person’s mouth and shut off the electricity in his home. we now return control of the blog back to the normal, decent folk…)
By Dave the 1st
August 7, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
Well since there is another Dave, I claim the 9:13 comment, now with a new name.
By Liberal Drive-by
August 7, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
Latoya, if that’s your real name don’t use it here. Too many nut-jobs on this blog.
By Lifer
August 7, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
jmblaw — The black people I work with (colleagues and college students) were angry at Bill Cosby because they feel that he has not had significant ties with the black community. He’s been living in his mansion since the start of the Cosby Show in the mid-1980s and he is not living the day-to-day life that blacks do in Fulton or DeKalb county. They said they feel like he lives a privileged life, then condemns the black community for doing what they have to in order to “get by.” They wanted to see Cosby live in College Park, Hapeville, or East Point then talk about how to better the community.
This reminds me of other discussions at my university regarding voluntary military enlistment. A larger percentage of blacks decide to enlist in the military than whites, and it is regarded within the black community (as has been told to me) as a second choice to college. None of my friends looked at it as a second choice. Everyone I know who wanted to be in the Army went to West Point. I don’t think it’s a black/white thing so much as a different mindset.
By Howard
August 7, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
Jim…great column as usual…the primary reasons the so-called black leaders do not speak up concerning this epidemic of unwed mothers and children born out of wedlock?? 1) Money…civil rights leaders like Jesse and Al and Joseph Lowery and groups like the NAACP and such would be out of business if racism disappeared and Dr. King’s vision of a color-free America became a reality. Unwed mothers and ten kids hanging around a government-financed and built ghetto awaiting their next welfare check and food stamp handout gives them victims…and with victims comes opportunities to espouse racism!!! 2)They cannot address this unwed mother problem because they would be basically pointing the finger of blame at themselves…and in their conviluted world…no black person is to blame for any problem…only the evil white man. Unless the black is a conservative, then he or she is an Uncle Tom anyway. 3) Votes…no black or white politician is gonna blame a white or black person of being irresponsible because it would ose them votes. No, blame the problems on poverty and not enough money thrown at more welfare programs. Remember Jim…money drives everything in this country…racism, war, illegal immigration, acttivism, etc.
By Curious Observer
August 7, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
Has anyone considered that perhaps GHT has a point, in a sense? I’m tending to view the astronomical rate of birth of fatherless children in the black community as a quiet yet violent reaction to the traditional values of conservative white culture. It has corresponded to the rise of conservatism in this country, and it is particularly observable in the old South. If whitey is going to value marriage and the family, then black families are going to do the opposite.
In this sense, the growing percentage of fatherless children in the black community is a reflection of the growing divide between the majority and the minority populations. It is an expression of the perception of hypocrisy—the gap between what the largely conservative white people claim to value and what their actions proclaim. Conservative whites pretend to value compassion toward the disadvantaged, but at the same time they favor severe cuts in public aid for them. They pretend to want to wean the youthful black population away from street crime, but their only solution is to lock away as many black boys and men as possible. We can have a Wooten deplore the trend while positing only a very general solution for it—as though black organizations can frown on the trend and magically transform the behavior of millions of black women. All Wooten’s column has done today is to say to black men and women, “We white people deplore your behavior and we are much better than that—see, 70% vs. 25%.”
You can be assured that blacks read the racist comments of TFTT on this blog and the compassionless rants of jbmlaw. They will react accordingly. And Wooten can be assured that waving the old red flag in front of the bull still works to inspire white votes for Republicans and revulsion from blacks.
Until we are rid of the neocon madness that has prevailed for the past generation, we are unlikely to see a reversal in the social trends that Wooten so dislikes.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
Latoya At some point and time receiving all the blame for the ills of the African Community, ( Its the White mans fault) the cry of look at yourself is bound to arise. If that blame game is going to be played can we not bring up facts that squarely put the responsibility of that community itself, without the fear of being tagged a racist.(Dave) No matter what community, a fatherless family presents advanced challenges, especially at 70%. What problems does foster. How may ills of the Black community would be reduced if this statistic was reduced. Many!
By Mary
August 7, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
The marriage point is a red herring, a distraction from the real issue. Wooten does himself a disservice by focusing on marriage instead of on responsible parenting.
What’s important for children is to have two involved, loving and responsible parents. Ideally those parents would be married to each other, but that is not absolutely necessary.
Wooten seems to assume that married parents are automatically responsible and wonderful, while unmarried parents are inherently not.
Married parents can be neglectful, abusive, and absent as well. What is important is that mother and father are both involved in their children’s lives in a positive way. They don’t necessarily have to be involved in each OTHER’s lives.
Nevertheless, his point still stands. It is shameful that so many fathers abandon their children and are concerned only with themselves. And it is a shame that so many women have unprotected sex with men who they KNOW will not stick around to be a father to that child. This seems to be an accepted part of black American culture, though obviously it is not contained to ONLY black America.
By hellooooo
August 7, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
I find it interesting that because Mr. W quotes a statistic that involves racial/ethnic categories, he is called “racist” … he didn’t invent the stats, just quoted them.
Black, white, brown, red, yellow or purple-with-pink-polkadots, parenting is a responsibility that is NOT in many cases being taken seriously and IS resulting in a class of people who have no respect for person or property. Unfortunately, even in those families where parents DO try to teach responsibility and respect, society via media, education, and the three-monkeys attitude (you know, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil) have usurped even some of the best parenting. In this day of totally instant gratification, patience and what Jimminy Cricket called “sticktoitivity” are sorely lacking… resulting in violent grabbing of whatever is desired, to the loss of life limb and property… and morality.
don’t know what a fix could or should be; has it gone so far that we CAN’T fix it???
i try in my daily life to reach out responsibly, to teach patience and respect, to remind my children and my peers that perserverence and patience are important… but even i fall into the “but i want it NOW” syndrome … i’m only human, surrounded by humans…
Mr. Cosby is a brave soul and a good man. Regardless of his natural color, in my opinion he speaks wisdom for ALL of us!
By Ms Writer
August 7, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
Having a father is extremely vital to the growth of a child. Even so, this separatist white/black thing is eventually going to kill our country. Those same little black children who are growing up poor and fatherless grow up, and some of them end up committing crimes against black AND white people. It would behoove America to get beyond separatist thinking and try to find solutions.
By Dusty
August 7, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Well, it seems we are not making any progress on promoting two parent families for the sake of children. Most adults think they already know how to “get along” and they don’t need any advice.
So let us concentrate on the “lost treasures”, that is, the children of America. The government cannot do it. This must be a citizen movement.
There are signs of awareness. Big Brother organizations are advertising for help. Almost every church has outreach programs, kindergartens and after school activities for children. Girl and Boy Scout organizations still exist. PTA organizations keep trying. Grandparents are raising “parentless” kids. Foster children are on TV explaing how they would like a real “home”. Children’s sports teams are playing. We must keep adding to this list with support and additional ideas.
I know this is not a sure cure and these measures are somewhat like tossing a straw in the wind. But we cannot lose a large majority of our next generation without putting up a big fight, some kind of fight!!
Rather than moan and cry, let us roll up our sleeves and “lift” a child. (Excuse the rah rah tone. But we need to move EXPEDITIOUSLY!!)
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Howard just blamed the victims of racism for being victims of racism.
Circular logic, my friend. Google it. Internalize it. Avoid it.
This is where I was blogging to advance the discussion, but the right can only think in circles.
Most of the threads here are churn, that is, they cover the same ground over and over restating untenable positions.
That’s why it always devolves into name calling. Always.
Ever notice? Sprechen Ze Deutch? Howard? Or should I call you Herr Howard? He’s a Nazi infiltrator trying to stop us all from debating Iraq. How many different steroids did babe ruth hit up with? eh? See? He doesn’t know cause he’s not one of us. Lets throttle this nazi rat! (stalag 13)
By hellooooo
August 7, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Dusty: good comment! but people please take note! Dusty did NOT say that the Gov’ment should do this… Dusty says, and rightly so, imho, that WE THE PEOPLE need to lift the children up, one by one, via various means of mentoring, whether or not we are the biological parents or racial parents or ethnic parents… we need to mentor children into positive pathways…
have done so, will do so again… it’s HUGELY rewarding both as a mentor and a mentee !!
By The Conclusions of Doom
August 7, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
The reason why there is no outcry for black families is because there’s no money in it. Most of the families that would beneft from such a strategic and intelligent political shift are poor. Blacks, both rich and poor, are constantly manipulated by so called “leaders” into how to feel about a situation, not realizing that they are being held back by the scourge of self destruction.
Only when a leader rises up who cares more about people than they do about money will you see a more self accountable and progressive approach toward race relations and the success of African Americans.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
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Has anyone considered that perhaps GHT has a point, in a sense? I’m tending to view the astronomical rate of birth of fatherless children in the black community as a quiet yet violent reaction to the traditional values of conservative white culture. It has corresponded to the rise of conservatism in this country,
Great way to play the blame game. Fifty years ago this country instilled more conservative vales than ever before, but the African community did not have this type of birthrate out of wedlock. Perhaps it is better said that the moral breakdown of society in general (especially in the black community) has contributed to this problem.
By love jones 4
August 7, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
Wooten is steady and reliable as the rock he crawls from under. He is always making allusions to race or either writing full-blown columns such as this one to appeal to his redneck base. I, too, was way upset when I read that the SCLC planned to honor Vick. I truly thought they had lost their moral bearings and the fine organization that Dr. King had founded would lose all credibility. But there was never a plan in place to “honor” Vick and it was only a vocal few that wanted to show outright support. Fortunately, today’s AJC story on the alleged “honor” for Vick during SCLC’s annual conference has shed true light on the matter and there are no such plans. But if you read the excellent piece today on ESPN.com about Vick and Atlanta’s troubled racial history, you can see why older blacks and civil rights leader are a little alarmed and wary of the case. I read the federal indictment of Vick, was alarmed and feel that anyone involved in dogfighting is demented and soulless. But let Vick have his day in court and not allow racial profiteers like Wooten to state their usual agenda on the backs of all the hoopla around the case. My bigger point is that for some reason, the AJC always allows Wooten to make his sometimes underhanded, and many times, overt jabs at the black community when he has no credibility with the black community. As a righteous black man, I can openly state that there are many problems in the black community — hell, even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can see them. Bill Cosby is right (and wrong a lot of times too for picking on poor blacks, as pointed out by Michael Eric Dyson’s book). But are our problems in the black community any worse than the long, national nightmare that is Iraq started by our fearless leader “Sh*t for Brains” that Wooten worships at the feet of? The inexcusable response to Katrina that becomes more a national shame each day as a grand city is allowed to die? The decaying infrastructure of our country that is occuring under the watch of our fearless leader, the Mental Midget, as we spend over $2 billion a week in Iraq? How can Wooten so clearly see what’s going on in the black community when he has blinders on that shield any clear view and analysis of the worst administration in American history? Mr. Wooten, can you answer that? BTW, I think you owe the SCLC an apology for jumping the gun and not contacting someone there to see if it was certain that Vick was being honored. I am part of the “second” America that Wooten sees as on track to fail. I take exception to being called a failure by someone who so lacks credibility and has been so wrong on so many issues. Maybe it’s the case of pot calling us blacks “black” when the rest of America is quite stained as well. Mr. Wooten, I neither the rest of the black community are failures because of our problems. We are human. And we keep trying every day. Extend your analysis beyond its current myopic state and maybe one day you will have platform to air such views. You have zero credibility when it comes to the black community!
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
I liked Dusty’s comment 2. (so did hallmark when just I sold them some of the nice bromides she wrote)
Thanx, girlfriend. You keep bloggin’ cause I’m a readin’ and I’m a likin’
Hallmark bought this: “throw straw in the wind, lift a child and let him win, it’s not a sure cure, but a pure demure wurld……it’s nice to be nice to the nice…just add ice…..and make lemonade……once, twice, thrice….”
I rock.
By Diogenes
August 7, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
I’m all for finding solutions to this dilemma, but what vexes me is how to “impose” any reform on the fatherless, feral, uneducated, lawless, and largely unemployable underclass (predominantly minority, but by no means exclusively so). The African-America community, particularly, seems to oppose any intervention, must less criticism, in knee-jerk fashion, using inflammatory (and generally nonsensical) racial rhetoric.
Clearly, the underclass is not anywhere near getting a handle on, much less solving, its own problems. Its own social institutions, which used to apply some sort of moderating influence (eg, the churches), have fallen silent. Adults who used to speak out against violence and crime within their own communities have now become afraid to voice any condemnation, whether because of fears of retribution, or being branded with the ultimate insult — that of “Uncle Tom.” Plus, we’re rapidly losing ANY adult population in these communities that even remembers what it used to be like to be raised in resposible, law-abiding, 2 parent households.
What, then, can the rest of us do? The obvious response is to remove these feral children from their “non-parenting parents,” and raise them in some sort of communal environment (kibbutzim, anyone?). But to even suggest that is to be branded with a plethora of ugly “isms.” Well, these kids have NO PRAYER otherwise. So, what is it to be?
By jct
August 7, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
This will probably start a firestorm but I guess that is okay.
What is the root cause of so much single headed households? My humble theory is that there is a problem with self love. By and large, I have seen too many women having children because they feel a lack of fulfillment with their life. Lack of marriageable partners, corporatist’s behavior, some parts of rap (not necessarily hip hop) culture that demeans the role of black womanhood, etc….means you go out and have a child to love and raise, your ‘little man’ or ‘little woman,’ without the benefit of a strong father involved. Married or not fatherhood is important.
The disintegration of the two parent household should cause alarm. It is destroying the black family and we black women must put a stop to it. Just because you don’t feel good don’t have a child. Insist on being treated with respect. You can see here on this blog how people could care less. Stop living up to their low expectations. Bill Cosby was right…
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
As usual let’s worry about the blacks, hispanics,or any other race, but to nothing to help the white. You can rant, rave carry on all you want but it does change one damn thing. Affirmative Action my hairy butt, it just another to screw a hard worker. You get what you work for, it is simple. These so call leaders are only worried about getting in the news entertainment. The only time you hear from the so called reverends (if they ar reverends I am the Dali Lama) or clinton are when they get a chance squall in front of the cameras and have the news entertainment business (NEB) broadcast it for them. Same with the SCLC or NAACP. None of them can or will do one thing unless the NEB is their to let the world know they lifted a finger. So how are they going to help the everyday working man be he brown, black, white, tan, blue, green or any other color in the box. To help the working man or woman is the help the family. It is simple, take less from us, leaves more for our families. Tax all these so call orginazation or groups and cut the worker bees some slack.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
jct
The only reason you may start a firestorm is because you speak the truth.
By RMJ
August 7, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Good job Wooten. I ususally do not agree with you, but you are absolutely on target.
By ThinkDeeper
August 7, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
This is the problem with statistics, they are so easily manipulated, misinterpreted, and tossed around as truth.
By nobody August 7, 2007 8:57 AM To: GodHatesTrash What in the world are you talking about. Either you’re on here to just get a response or you’re and idiot. How can you say that it’s “southron whites” that are causing 70% of black kids to live with one parent?
The statistic does not SAY all 70% live with just ONE parent, it states that their parents are not MARRIED. That is to say, a number of them could very well have both parents in the home. (Something that is fine in lily white Hollywood, but not in THE hood.)
Good old statistics.
By Demi
August 7, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
It would behoove America to get beyond separatist thinking and try to find solutions.
Of why blacks treat each other so poorly…And seems to enjoy the treatment…Unless the person who’s doing the harm is of another race…Then all hell breaks loose.
SAD
SJ it’s me
By The Question of Doom
August 7, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
love jones 4,
Thank you for that long well thought out example of what our problem is in the first place: Not wanting to to deal with it!
You gave a long list of examples of today’s ills(the Iraq War,etc.), but you just like other black leaders said nothing to address our condition. If you don’t want Wooten saying anything about it then who would you have to speak? No one else is. Everybody is doing what you just did: Giving a laundry list of things that have nothing to do with the subject, blame whitey, and continue to not offer a solution. If we spoke up and took control of what’t going on in our communities, then Wooten wouldn’t have to speak up.
Someone has to stand up and deal with our obvious disproportionate issues, don’t get mad when they don’t look like you.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
The causes of the plight of some american families is too complex for one blog.
It would take teams of sociologists working around the clock at the university level in Vienna to explain even one cause.
Society has changed and things that were thought to be hard core porn can be seen in Macy’s ads inside newspapers. A man is on his own. He decides the fate of his family. We all face ourselves alone. We are alone. Alone to suffer nature’s cruel plan for our lives. Alone to face our creator once nature is done with us. But lets make sure we understand which of us is defective first, and then we can better understand when we listen to what God thinks about it.
Sex is. Violence is. We are.
By Skip
August 7, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
I am glad to be white! It really is simple, blacks and mexicans just do not have a chance. If I were black, and living in the projects, I would NEVER have kids. What do they do though? They have as many as possible, even though they have no chance, so that they can get more money from the WHITE taxpayers. Then their kids are dead by 15. What a great country!
By The Suspicion of Doom
August 7, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
Skip,
You’re not white. You’re a black person trying to stir up ignorance on this blog.
Analchord,
Shut up.
By Rick
August 7, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
The sad fact is that many of these children are not born in homes without fathers. They are born to couples who are committed enough to each other or to their personal agendas to have a child, but not willing to commit to stay together to raise one. This is not about birth control or sex education; it is about self control. I am not preaching abstinence, but realism. Having a child does not make you a man or a woman. Having a child does not create anything more than a legal bond between the parents, while leaving the child in an emotional limbo where they are taught to expect transience in their own relationships.
Most single parents will admit that an enduring and stable relationship is best for their kids. At the same time, they choose to have the child first and to defer the enduring relationship, because of the possibility it may fail. The one thing that is assured by this behavior that postpones commitment, just like the diet you plan to start after the Holidays, is that there will never be a commitment to ever try.
By Lily White Mom
August 7, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
These stereotypes are just silly, Mr. Wooten! I’m white, educated, and financially responsible. My little b-stard child makes straight A’s, was class president and team captain last year, and reads circles around most adults I know (not just Harry Potter, either!)
Truth is though, I wanted to get married, and would still be willing with the right man, but my CONSERVATIVE baby’ daddy didn’t want to. Apparently the freaky stuff is good on dates, but too weird for the long haul, my cooking leaves much to be desired, and oh yeah… I just think I’m SOOOOOOO smart! Oh well.
Conservative white men just aren’t that interested in commitment either, if the preponderance of MARRIED 40-yr-old men on Match-dot-com is any indication. Would love to read a column about those guys!!! Thanks.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Rape and b-astardy are the cornerstones of southron family life.
In 17th and early 18th century colonial Virginia and the Carolinas, the southron ‘gentry’ would bring over indentured female servants from England and then rape them. The woman’s resulting inability to work during her late pregnancy was used as an excuse to double the length of her indenturement. Of course, she suffered the social opprobrium of delivering a b-astard into the world, which usually included a public flogging. The father, being a member of the privileged class, would get off scot free.
In New England, rape was a capital offense, but not so in the south. Rape was very rarely prosecuted, unless it involved a lower class male and an upper class female.
Enter the African slaves - since the slaves were chattel, that is property, a man could do whatever with his property. Raping slaves and fathering new slaves out of wedlock was not only not a crime, the rape produced new slaves who could also be the master’s chattel, property.
Please note that around 40% of the genes in the people decent people call “African-Americans” (and you Woo-Ten Kkklanners call the “n word’) are European in origin, representing the contributions of rapist whitefolks to the gene pool of “black” southrons.
Since southron “family” life has always been based upon rapist fathers, and fatherless families have always been a significant percentage of southern families, it shouldn’t surprise us that many southron families “black” and “white” are still caught in the cycle of senseless violent stupidity that is at the core of southron culture and family life.
In this post, I am citing information from David Hackett Fischers’ Albion Seed and “Uncle” Thomas Sowell’s Black Rednecks, White Liberals.
I welcome here today honest dialogue on the devastating problems of southron family life.
If we want to rely on the private sector for solution of southron family problems, perhaps Mr. Wooten and other southrons here that share a genetic and family heritage with millions of their “black” cousins and half-sisters and -brothers, could finance the therapy and support that these people need and deserve, given the rape and trauma that has been inflicted on their families?
Once again, I value your constructive input.
By PJ
August 7, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
Jim, I disagree with you 99.9% of the time, but this was a lucid, well thought out case for talking about the issues rather than the symptoms. Good job.
By Diogenes
August 7, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
Skip, I’m happy you’re happy, but gloating “don’t fix” the problem.
Somehow, we have to empower and legitimize the voices (many of whom post above) who are willing to speak out and take the first step — ADMIT there’s a really problem here (as opposed to continued denial while hiding behind racial rhetoric).
Then, we need to have a frank and realistic discussion of solutions. Unfortunately, I just don’t see any solutions arising from the underclass itself … I sure wish I did (yes, I appreciate the posts above alluding to the Boys and Girls Clubs, Scouting, etc — these institutions have been around for many years, and things still continue spiraling downwards). But, since we don’t, how CAN the rest of step in and make a difference?
Can we suggest the implementation of communal child-rearing institutions (essentially 24-hour “day” care, where these kids will be supervised by responsible adults, limiting the birth-parents to “visitation” rights only) without being branded racists? I’ll be the first to admit that the concept sounds offensive, but what is the alternative? Leave these kids in, essentially, parentless conditions, where they’re raised on the streets? For conservatives — wouldn’t it be cheaper to create these child-raising facilities and have a chance of turning these kids into responsible adults than deal with ever-rising rates of crime and dependency?
But then, whose kids get removed from their homes? How will courts decide? How do we keep “baby-mamas” from not even worrying about birth control, knowing they can just dump their latest offspring at the local center?
Yes, there are real problems with this approach — but no one else is coming up with concrete solutions. Instead, we continue to argue over past wrongs, real and imagined, and point fingers while America decays from within.
By BS Aplenty
August 7, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
The traditional mother-father family transmits important values to children far better than other family structures, including same-sex structures. Values like responsibility, self-respect, self-discipline, loyalty, man-liness, etc. Children who are taught these values can then create & sustain the larger society with like virtues.
There’s nothing “wrong” with alternate family structures as long as you support your brood, it just depends on what type of children & society you’re trying to create. If you prefer the society created by un-wed mothers and same-sex couples then more power to you. I don’t.
Regardless, if you don’t support your children then you’re a coward-@ss wimp and I’d just as soon see you publicly flogged.
By jm
August 7, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
well, Mr. Wooten is quick with the numbers based on race. I wonder if he has the numbers based on economic and education status.
By getalife
August 7, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
Leaders?
What leaders?
They do not care unless there is something in it for them.
It is the me generation.
Geez.
By AlliB
August 7, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
Jim, our church, St. Peter & St. Paul Episcopal Church in Marietta has a program called Cool Girls. It is an amazing and extremely successful program that should really be written about. It could be expanded to other churches. It offers incentives to inner city girls to (1) stay in school (2) not become pregnant. They have to abide by these two rules to stay in the group. Being a “Cool Girl” means they get a new book bag stuffed with clothes and makeup and goodies to start school. They also get to come to the church to pick out donated new and gently used clothes and accessories. The program has been going on for a number of years and has a great track record. Please consider calling the church and writing an article about it. It’s a program that is inexpensive and truly life changing for young girls!
By Peter
August 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
Hello Mr Wooten…….. not interested in talking about the WASTE from this government, or the lack of controls over spending and where the weapons are disappearing too these days…..
I see the Politically RIGHT only will evade those issues………
Yes the fathering issue has gotten out of hand here in the US……but hey I guess we have forgotten how this government has done ZERO to help the poor, as the Mega Rich get Richer, and has done ZERO to improve the infra-structure of our country.
The leadership starts at the top in the USA so YES Bush has something to do with it all…
Very poor education system, lack of mass transit system nation wide, not wanting to raise the minimum wage, not wanting health care for children….all these are issues that the current administration would say are too expensive…..yet a TRILLION on a MADE UP WAR is not too EXPENSIVE !!!!
We are wasting Billions of dollars on losses no one can account for, and we then say we cannot help the poor…..go figure !!!!!
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
Diogenes must have copied his comment word for word from the mission statement of the organization known as Hitler Youth.
Heetler unt his wife Teetler started a 24/hour institutional daycare center in 1932. And they would have got away with it too, if it hadn’t been for the allies.
By Adam
August 7, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
It would seem odd that anyone would want to defend the situation that has resulted in a 70% illegitimate birth rate but apparently we have many who think it is OK. All sorts of excuses, white hypocrisy, Iraq, Southern culture, seemingly anything but facing facts and trying to find improvement.
Black leadership, NAACP, SCLC and others are only interested in maintaining their status and keeping the collection plates full by crying racism at every opportunity. SCLC wants everyone to believe that racism is the cause of Vick’s problems and is quick to honor him because it sells and drives donations. Every day we have another drive-by shooting but do you hear protests from the NAACP? Any marches? Any demands for improvement? No!!! It doesn’t serve their purpose but rather they are invested in making their living by calling racism, while their community continues a downward spiral. Where is the SCLC’s interest in denouncing the killers of the 9 year old girl shot in her bedroom by the gangsta thugs shooting at each other in the parking lot? If she had been shot by a white man driving by in a pickup truck you can imagine the outrage. As long as it’s part of the hip-hop culture it’s just another statistic, and certainly has no connection to the lack of values, direction, and ambition that accompanies the non-judgmental attitude that has become so prevalent.
By time for the truth
August 7, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
How absolutely spiffingly gratifying to see the usual black/liberal racebaiting vermin on here attempting to “spin” my incisive wit and wisdom about the thuggish decades where the cancer of black crime and the sullen, often bigoted indifference of most blacks to their own ever increasing UTTERLY SELF INFLICTED PROBLEMS has simply become accepted as life as normal across the fruited plain.
Black b astards, now literally at the shameful endemic rate of 70% is entirely the fault of blacks and NO ONE ELSE!!! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or a black nazi like the Calypso Louis Farracrap nutter to work out that the link between ebonics spoutin’ out of control criminal predators, continuously pumped up (inspired - puke) by crack smokin’ hippety hop gangsta scum literally getting away with murder, racism, sexism, glorifying drugs and gangbanging violence, despicably sneering at ‘oreos’ trying to get an education … with countless numbers of all too willing to be led semi-literate black sheep all wearing crappy drooping trousers that don’t fit their morose dumb black arses or whoralicious skimpy clothing that even some life long mexican wh ores would balk at creates all the huge criminality and concomitant problems of a moronic pig ignorant predatory underclass.
Black respect for and observance of “marriage” is NOT the magic answer. Though it might help some yooofs stay outta jail. Its black culture … the hippety hop vermin have so debased what passes for black kulture … that until blacks systematically confront THEIR mountain of individual and collective shortcomings little will change. The endless endemic cycle of black crime/shootings/ rapes/car jackings/robbery that is nightly puked up on WSB and every other TV station serving black or heavily black metro areas - from Oakland to Gary IN to Milwaukee to Jacksonville to the Bronx to the killing fields of LA will simply drag on and on and on and on. With countless victims - most deserving their squalid drive by demise but the innocent victims of black predators do NOT. Who speaks for them … clearly not the micky mouse reverends who are NO MORE a genuine reverend than I am … with my ordained reverenbd card pursc hsed many years ago. Its simply a patheric title that so many cynical black hustlers, racists and bigots hide behind, knwoing that a religious “shield” allows bigoted racist racebaiting to be all but perpetrated with impunity. The money and the power these concerned racebaiters snort up, decade after decade is more starkly revealing about the black community than anything I can say. Any legitimate criticism blacks usually just disgustingly dismiss as whitey running his mouth. And the black losers and black criminals eagerly buy into this bollocks as it provides them with an instant excuse to keep on failing insociety but succeeding as predators. A vicious cycle that never runs out of hippety hop power.
Stuck like unwilling busy bees amongst this is the black middle class who depise the underclass - or those who have escaped from such a fate - a few queen bees and “king bees” (poetic licence folks) dramatically make it to the very top of the socio economic pile. But most blacks - just like most of the rest of us dont. So choices have to be made. But in the wicked urban hoods the choices are starkly limited - by fear, fear of reprisal, fear of being a snitch, fear of being mugged/robbed/raped or being “capped”.
And so it keeps on keeping on. Blacks are wholly responsible for this social debacle … with the vile white liberals egging them on with endless vote buying and shameless pandering.
The seemingly endless vile black bleating and racebaiting about Jim Crow and the age old days of slavery clearly should have NO resonance now - thay have NO relevance - except as a shameful, inexcusable past that has now overwhelmoingly been rejected by virtually all folks in the USA. Fully two generations have passed and NAACP scum and their ilk are still puking up the lynching word to try and deflect from the hammering the human scum Vick is deservedly getting. Blacks use the n igger word as a way to endlessly goad whites - this is both intolerable and a delibertae attempt to keep racial tenmsions inflamed - but criticise them for this and its “STFU you white racist boy”.
Any white on black crime is instantly deemed a hate crime and the liberal pandering medai gleefully goes alonmg for the ride … REMEMBER THE DUKE LACROSSE TEAM LYNCHING - yet the infintely higher level of black on white crime is rarely if ever deemed hate crime. Surely if a criminal targets someone from a different race there is some degree of racial motive in this … not always of course - some crimes are just opportunist … but since the 1960’s the epidemic level of black on white crime is NO accident. Whites rarely go rob (at gun point) black businesses or banks, steal their cars at gun point, rape black women and so on.
decent law abiding blacks are between a rock and hard place - loathe to be too shrill about black crime for fear of being sneered at as race traitors - yet aware they are predominantly the victims of many millions of black predators.
life in clayton county sure is a picnic … I just wish I could move there … but happily I just watch it all on local TV… its NOT racism that makes blacks do drive bys killing fellow blacks - its NOT racism that makes blacks drug dealers or rob fellow blacks in da hood - with black mayors and police chiefs and DA;s and so on blacks in many major areas preside over their own crimewave s… they need to STFU about whiyet and sort out their own shameful hippety hop inspired problems!!!
perhaps most of all the loser mentality blacks need to lose the pathetic bigoted attitude that getting an education is acting white … its just acting smart!!!
By Diogenes
August 7, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
Analcord, I admitted as much (that at first blush this concept sounds offensive). I also predicted your knee-jerk response, which would lack any viable alternative.
Institutions such as these are like any other — churches, governments, whatever. They can be used as instruments for evil, or tools for good. Hitler was evil, and used them accordingly — providing you with a convenient excuse for attacking this solution, as I’m sure you do all others.
However, people like you who instinctively attack every proposed solution (typically with racial rhetoric) are merely preserving the unbearable and unworkable status quo. I often wonder when I hear from people like you — who has such a vested interest in keeping the underclass “under,” and why?
By rh
August 7, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
We so often lag behind on various major issues. We are so dumb about our very own people. We are spending and sending billions of dollars everywhere but these United States. What bother me is; we continue to see american citizens struggling to survive while we actually think those we elect into the congres/representative are looking out for us. Same as our children feels that mommie and daddy is looking out for their very welfare. Cheated, you bet, and we will continue to be cheated and left behind at the very cost of our on goernment doings. I do not know why other people wants to come to this land. Really, it has nothing to offer. Mostly everything is being sent to their country.
By Kim
August 7, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Hasn’t the Honorable Leah Ward Sears been divorced? Isn’t she the mother of two children that were a part of that divorce? I think it is far worse for children to grow up in a home where there is no love or affection shown by the parents, or even worse arguing and yes, maybe even physically fighting than to stay together for the sake of the children. As a woman who stayed with my husband until the children graduated from high school, my children knew what was going on and wondered “why” I would subject myself and them to a loveless marriage. And no guide to a healthy, loving relationship.
By Nurse Rathit
August 7, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Poor Time for Truth thinks he is witty and wise. Roll over Honey, time for your shot. We’ll put those illusions right out of your head. Doctors are working on the anti-racism drug for you, Dear. Turn off the TV, you know it just upsets you. Now, now, you’ll be calm soon.
By Dusty
August 7, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Dear Analchord,@10:04
You made a little sense and gained Hallmark cents.
The jokes you maintain offer little in gain.
Stay out of politics because it’s a mess you can’t fix.
Now give us a real “funny”, your only hope, honey!!
By Peter
August 7, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
Well “Time for the truth”….you have some valid points……..
The HIP HOP Generation has really changed the world, and because of the music it HAS in my estimation, made the world a MORE DANGEROUS place.
I agree it seems the Black Youth are in a place where they are seemingly protesting what is happening with this culture and music……..speaking out, and acting out in such a violent manner.
But it seems in all actuality it is a combination of allot of what is wrong with America.
The black youth see the white business man get richer, with MUCH help from the government. They see their jobs shipped out of the country, with down sizing to create more wealth for the rich CEO’s.
They see the waste in government, and the money wasted in Washington by our leaders, and see nothing going to their section of town to help them out.
We are spending our Money on the WAR machine, not helping out our citizens, no matter what color they may be……unless you are a dead farmer, who probably has a white family, then you get money as the government continues to SCREW UP….. and screw us in the meantime.
I see allot of things, including reverse discrimination these days….I hold a door open for a Black woman, especially a younger black woman, and never is “Thank you” uttered.
These days the lack of respect is everywhere, and that is the root problem……….but it is everywhere, and I would say it starts with ALL our leaders, not just the Black leaders, the white leaders as well….
Let’s face the TRUTH….. White folks run everything here in the USA……and they are NOT doing anything for the common person, no matter what the race or color of the common person is these days !
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
OK I’m gonna say it. WHY DO YOU CARE JIM? You don’t give a dang about saving Grady, saving PeachCare, you could care less about Title IX, AA, or the EEOC. You have thumbed your nose at Howard, Spelman and other HBCU’s — you have stated, a multitude of times, that you consider the Georgia Lottery for Education Act needs to be rescinded; and NOW, all of a sudden you “profess” a concern for the Black Family and Black Youths? BUSHSH#T
You’re just trying, as many good repuglicans do, to stir up the all mighty racial pot again. Are your “ratings” slipping? I notice anytime your readership/blog count is down, the very next day you come up with some racial divisive sh#t to stink up the blogs with.
Already on here I’ve read some crap about black women with ten kids living off of welfare, when everyone has read material and seen the statistics that state that white women are the number one users of welfare! Amazingly the ConServATrons that read your gibberish seem to “forget that fact”.
All you do is harp on race. You can’t write a column for a whole week without throwing race in there somewhere — you have turned a nice political blog into another race filled hate fest; just for a few pieces of silver and a bigger piece of the “blog” readership. You have allowed people on this forum to print some of the most racist reactionary vile things while you sit back and smile. What’s the difference between you and Jesse Jackson? Melanin?
PS: You’ll never top Luckovich; you’re nothing more than a second rate hack with bad teeth and an ugly haircut. Hopefully, god willing, you will retire soon — then all of your hate filled cronies, (TFTT, et al); will have to find their local dose of racial hate and discord somewhere else.
By @@
August 7, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
Jim:
I was a great admirer of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the message he carried. This one is apropos to today’s column:
In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Unfortunately Martin’s message was cut short and today’s black leaders were left to carry it forward. Somewhere along the way, they claimed the power for themselves and left black parents to struggle under their tutelage, passing the lessons onto the children.
Children can’t trust anyone to address their needs today. They will be a generation lost to selfish individualism if we don’t wake up.
Return to the traditional family; it was the best thing this nation had going for it and it can be again.
Don’t trust the Democrats to believe in what “WE” can accomplish. They don’t. “WE” can accomplish great things without them. “WE” can secure our “OWN” future and the future of “OUR” children.
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
The nuclear family is no longer the norm in society. Instead of trying to re-insitute it, look at the new reality and come up with real solutions to the problems. Concerned about out-of-wedlock babies? Stop opposing abortion. Concerned about the lack of fathers involved in their children’s lives? End racial disparity in sentencing & repeal drug laws that target users. Concerned about children not being supervised because their mothers are working (often at more than one job)? Work for low cost day care. Concerned about poverty? Urge your representatives to support universal health care. Concerned about children not having good role models? Become one for a fatherless child.
Hats off to Dusty — we don’t agree on much, but bringing up Boys Clubs and Girls Clubs and their need for mentors is an excellent idea
By Karen
August 7, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
Outstanding article. Sad but much too true. A leader is one who takes an uncompromised stand based on what is right and not what is popular or politically expedient. Dr. Martin Luther King said it best: “Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? But conscience asks the question - is it right? There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, popular, or political: but because it is Right.”
Sadly, we are so void of leaders in this country that we have become the proverbial “blind leading the blind,” the end result of which is that both end up in the ditch.
Thank you for speaking up. The leaders of SCLC, NAACP, ACLU (and other groups who purport to speak for us all) will not stand up for what is right until we demand it. The silence is deafening.
By Charles
August 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
The chief justice of the Georgia Supreme Court, Leah Ward Sears, should know that reality is usually scoffed at and illusion rules the day. She should understand American society better than what she has portrayed.
Jim Wooten is writing exactly what is expected given history and reality. He should perpetuate the society which Europeans have created.
Let me be as concise as possible. If children and other people are not members of our circle or organization, I won’t lift a finger to assist them. If they want my assistance, they would have to renounce integration and individualism. The children and their parents have been sadly indoctrinated. People in our circle of influence are not. We have overcome the brainwashing. We know how to kill it. We are the only people who can help African Americans and their children. The integrationist Negroes are too confused to provide anyone with assistance. They can only aggravate any existing problem.
Prior to integration, every African American child would have been included in our circle of influence. To a minimal degree, other people lived in communal societies too. Americans thought to one degree or another that the group was more important than the individual prior to integration.
Do we want a society based on rugged individualism, or do we want a society based on the group dynamic? Americans presently have chosen rugged individualism. Why do some of us appear mystified about issues concerning willful acts of self-centered adults inflicting harm on children? It should not be a mystery that few activists and opinion leaders in the middle class take risks. Why should they do anything to risk their safety or general welfare? They are individualistic integrationist.
“Never in my wildest dreams did I foresee a day when marriage, an historically child-centered relationship, would become almost completely adult-centered, promoting and protecting the freedom of adults to indulge their desires, sometimes to the detriment of the well-being and eventual development of children,” Leah Ward Sears said. “But the numbers, which are staggering, indicate that we are at that point.”
Leah Ward Sears speaks as if she lives in a communal society where the group and other people are just as important as I. The reality is that she lives in a rugged individualistic society which overtly teaches that I am more important than you, and I am more important than everybody else combined. Either she does not understand rugged individualism and the implications or she is refusing to acknowledge the devastating results of integration on society.
Honestly, no one cares about Leah Ward Sears and her concerns. I am concerned about me. You are concerned about you etc. We live in an integrationist individualistic society where one person can earn unbelievable amounts of the money and leave millions upon millions with little or nothing. We live in a society where countless homeless people suffer through brutal summers, and bitter winters. We have millions of African Americans in prison, parole, probation, and murder is in the streets. Nobody really cares. I am concerned about me only. That is the mantra subconsciously running through-out America.
Some of the individualistic integrationist Negroes and others say children and parents who are having problems should understand the law of attraction. They say that people need to get a copy of the secret. You will discover that whatever condition you find yourselves, or whatever is happening to you, you brought it on yourselves. No harm, no foul; Even-Steven.
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
I hold a door open for a Black woman, especially a younger black woman, and never is “Thank you” uttered.
Stop holding doors open for women. We can open our own doors, thank you very much! If you are doing it hoping to be thanked, are you really being courteous?
Now that I have gray hair, I’ve been offered a seat on MARTA and the airport train more than once, by, guess who? Young black women.
By time for the truth
August 7, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
Peter
I agree with a little of what you say … its not possible even in a single long post to do justice to every point and qualify/elucidate such a huge subject. Typos are inevitable in such a poxy small comments box…
black yoofs are hardly “protesting” mate - they’re viciously and very selfishly/murderously taking the p!ss, at the expense of anyone who gets in their way!! as we say in England.
you seem to be excusing/glossing over much of what I posted… which is factually unassailable.
few blacks are honest about all this … how many more DECADES are we going to hear nauseating racebating/bleating about slavery etc … every race has been enslaved at some point - some are still today!!!
life for blacks here is still way better than in balck afriKa… in most cases. the how you got here issue is NOT the point in this debate!!!
I agree that whites are also somewhat more selfish than they used to be - they see the illegal mostly mexican type leeches and blacks getting way beyond what they are entitled to, which hardly helps. but whites do NOT have the sullen gimme gimme attittudes of the black racial spoils crowd. whites have happily gotten over their ingrained racism … blacks have NOT!! although black racism is obviously NOT quite on a KKK level - but its still there!! - of course exceptions exist on both sides - but that’s mostly true now.
White criminals are generally less thuggish/murderous, especially white yoofs … its disproportionately a black thang … and gangbanging is hardly a white phenomenon - that’s almost solely blacks and mexican types.
I agree that black women, especially tha nastier more agressive ignorant younger trollops - see crackpipe debbie turd on here as a classic example.
I agree that our “rulers” - both black and white do little for the average chap or lady. But that’s always been the case.
this map is from the LA Times homicide blog - just six months of mainly black killings in LA this year … its unbelievable …
“black jobs” are hardly being “shipped out” … its more jobs for everyone.
http://www.mapbuilder.net/users/mqteclo5043/38003
niced to see the usual leftist cowardly scum using anonymous ids to just post abuse - they simply can’t debate AWKWARD facts/logic!!
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
You can be assured that blacks read the racist comments of TFTT on this blog and the compassionless rants of jbmlaw. They will react accordingly. And Wooten can be assured that waving the old red flag in front of the bull still works to inspire white votes for Republicans and revulsion from blacks.
Until we are rid of the neocon madness that has prevailed for the past generation, we are unlikely to see a reversal in the social trends that Wooten so dislikes.
AMEN
By Jack
August 7, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) has been a favorite of the Grover Norquist crowd for quite a while, in part because of his fealty to the far-right agenda on taxes and spending. But once in a while, reality gets in the way of conservative talking points.
In the past two years, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota twice vetoed legislation to raise the state’s gas tax to pay for transportation needs.
Now, with at least five people dead in the collapse of the Interstate 35W bridge here, Mr. Pawlenty, a Republican, appears to have had a change of heart.
Better late than never, I suppose.
By me
August 7, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
niced to see the usual leftist cowardly scum using anonymous ids to just post abuse!**
So your name is “time for the truth” then?
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Analcord, Good point about the Troops and News Entertainment Business. The Troops do deservre good honest reporting, instead of the poop that is printed for the entertainment of the masses. And why are our troops on trial for anything. It is a WAR, people get killed, always have. The government sent them over there, said to kill. They did, end of story. Want someone on trial choose the chief’s not the front line guys. Seems like if you are on the front lines you do what it takes to come home safe and sound. Stop trying the troops for doing what they were sent to do.
By BS Aplenty
August 7, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad
Nothing works better than blaming someone else for your mistakes, eh, Toad?
Father a child? Well, someone else better provide care for the unwanted.
Dealin’ drugs? Oh, it’s the users fault your Honor.
Take responsibility for your actions & you begin to gain respect. Otherwise, quit croaking.
By darrell
August 7, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
They dont want to take care of their children they are too busy crip walking and stomping the yard
By Peter
August 7, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
HA HA HA Lilly Toad……. Stop holding doors open………HA HA HA…… the basic premise for us all getting along, is that we all should be helping each other out…. so NO I will never stop holding a door for a woman or a man……
Courtesy and respect has to start some where…..why not with me ????
Time for the truth….. we do agree but I have to disagree as well…. Jobs are being shipped out of this country, and most of them are in the lower level areas…… I wish everyone would go after an education, the way we were taught as youth.
Having said that the poor folks in this country ARE loosing their opportunities here in the US, and I see the government HELPING big business more than it’s citizens……
I do see the violence and Music and the culture as a protest, and a way to get recognition…… be it a poor way to be recognized, but it is a way.
Not all black kids are they way you portray them, and allot are just as in all cultures….followers……..
The white kids being more selfish, as you describe them, are a direct result of at home teaching…….
So we live in a generation of leaders NOT leading, no matter what the color or race……..we live in a fast food, fast living culture, where we want OURS NOW…..
As far as they are Vicious…..well I see no difference between what they are doing and what the KKK did for how many years?
Funny we can do terrible things, and vicious things, and some how we forget what our white fore fathers did, yet be up in arms about the viciousness of the black Hip Hop generation……
Black kids are NOT getting theirs……..they are P** and it is NOT a good thing!!!!
By getalife
August 7, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
I seem to remember a certain General that wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post right before the ‘04 election about how great the Iraq military was stepping up…Who was it again? Oh, right…Army lieutenant General Petraeus
Geez.
By Liberal Drive-by
August 7, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
few blacks are honest about all this … how many more DECADES are we going to hear nauseating racebating/bleating about slavery etc … every race has been enslaved at some point - some are still today!!!
Sorry to break the bad news to you TFTT but most black people are honest about “all this”. We just don’t discuss it with you. This stupid blog notwithstanding.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
You R Correct, Debbiedoesdallas! Social Revolution is coming. First by ballot, then by Guillotine!
Bush and the jingoistic godzillas on the right are expediting the process.
In 2003, the chicken hawks on the right were unanimous in estimating the costs of invading iraq at under 100 million dollars.
It’s a trillion and counting. We could have infrastructure and healthcare for that. Bush is stealing it from us.
Foul!
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
Drug users do not belong in jail, BS, not sure how you got the users fault for the dealer. Fathers should be responsible for their own children, but should children be punished if they’re not? Should children go without health care or child care just because they have a deadbeat dad or mom?
By TW
August 7, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
Maybe we could send these irresponsible fathers to the same people we get to reprogram the homosexuals? That seems to be working out real well.
By Lily White Mom
August 7, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight @ 11:23: Well said! White racist men point the finger elsewhere so you won’t look at THEM. As a group, they father plenty of children out of wedlock and DIVORCE at a rate over 50%, indicating a lack of stick-to-it spine. There’s always a younger, more compliant female waiting in the wings, and bailing is their best idea when the wife gets cranky. SWINGING & ADULTERY are rampant in [Mr. Wooten’s] affluent Cobb Co. neighborhoods. (If I had a dollar for every married white male who tried to score a piece of casual, no-strings tail I could retire NOW.) Are their children learning that marriage is forever? Hardly. Don’t believe me? Sit in the bleachers at an East Cobb Little League game sometime. Their selfish “me me me” mantra is louder than the cheering, but oh yeah, the decline of the family is a “black” thing, right?
By Diogenes
August 7, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad, you are mistaken. Men do not hold doors for you because you are a lady, they hold them because they are gentlemen.
By Sammy
August 7, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
DAYUM!!! Debbie you just cut the grand wizard of the Woo-ten Clavern deep. You go girl!
By getalife
August 7, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
KO to moderate the Dem debate tonight. He will ask them why their party voted to trash our Constitution again and give ganzo more power instead of impeaching him.
OBL is laughing at us, he scared the spine out of our government.
Geez.KO to moderate the Dem debate tonight. He will ask them why their party voted to trash our Constitution again and give ganzo more power instead of impeaching him.
OBL is laughing at us, he scared the spine out of our government.
Geez.
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
If you are being courteous or a gentleman, why do you complain about not being thanked?
And, I hold doors open for people, but men seem to shrink from having a door opened for them, why is this?
Please reply in a courteous way. Thank you.
By Analyst
August 7, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Horray for LilyWhiteMom!!!
Great piece. Well written, incisive, and balanced.
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
If you are being courteous or a gentleman, why do you complain about not being thanked?
And, I hold doors open for people, but men seem to shrink from having a door opened for them, why is this?
Please reply in a courteous way. Thank you.
By Adam
August 7, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
I’d like to inject some rational reasons for the issue that Mr. Wooten has raised. First, he’s right to point out the problem. We have a serious problem in our community. What some of you are hot about is the fact that a white man dared to point out the flaws in our own community. He addressed an issue that we keep telling ourselves is an alright lifestyle. Well, it isn’t. We’re seeing the results of absentee fathers right now. I’m sick and tired of seeing these ignorant a$$ b******* robbing and killing people. They have no work ethic. They’d rather rob and kill people.
Many of us are being selfish. If we’re not selfish, we’re making bad decision after bad decision. Face facts: you screwed up!. It happens. Now take responsibility for it, brothers and sisters!!! Some of our sisters are looking for love in all the wrong places. They think that having a child will give them the love that they’ve never gotten in life. Instead, they find that the child doesn’t provide that love either. But hey, the white man’s just picking on us. We’re missing the point entirely. Instead we’re wasting time bullsh*ttin’ as usual. Cosby was right! He doesn’t need to live in the ghetto to see what’s going on. Seeing the black youth today is proof enough. They’re emulating prison culture! None of them take education seriously. But hey, their parents probably didn’t value education either.
By catlady
August 7, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Analchord: Isn’t a Sadr a kind of man/horse that loves sex?
By RCH
August 7, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Peter
Black kids are NOT getting theirs……..they are P** and it is NOT a good thing!!!!
For the past 40 years,govt. has been attempting to right an injustice. My quetion is what have they not gotten? My observation is that they received much, did not know what to do with it and have squandered it. We have raised a generation of people who have become dependent on government and entitlements. That time is now ending, and those feel good programs have served no purpose but to enslave again.
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Concerned about children not having good role models? Become one for a fatherless child. Hats off to Dusty — we don’t agree on much, but bringing up Boys Clubs and Girls Clubs and their need for mentors is an excellent idea
Good points; however they’re actually not concerned about the plight of fatherless children; this is just another way for them to fill this blog with nothing but hate filled misinformation. Another Wooten inspired, repuglican backed, racial divide. There is absolutely no hope for the south.
By East Cobb Shrink
August 7, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Jim, thanks to all the East Cobb soccer moms on the verge of breakdowns and suicide because of philandering white husbands passing through my psychology practice, I have become a very wealthy woman. Combine that with their screwed up offspring with their drug, alchohol, and depression issues, and I will be able to retire before I reach the age of 50. Keep up the good work Jim. LMAO!
By Diogenes
August 7, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Oh heck, I’m not complaining that I don’t get thanked (although that very rarely happens). On those few times that it does happen, I’m just surprised by the utter lack of class and civility on the part of the person who chooses not to do so. Just means they weren’t “raised right,” which is always a shame.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
* Lily White Mom*
Well said! White racist men point the finger elsewhere so you won’t look at THEM”
If you agree to use the numbers by Jim you will find that the problem exists in all races, but is more prevalent in the black race.
However, the White culture cannot turn around and blame the blacks and Lnatios for this problem. Why should Blacks and Latinos be able to blame Whites?
By Peter
August 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
Hey Lily Toad, no complaining here just an observation……seems the black younger woman HAS a chip on her shoulder, and they are in lots of cases just rude.
Hey RCH when the CEO’s and huge corporate business stop getting their’s from the government, I will discuss what crumbs might have fallen to the Black community, and poor in general.
Our entire health system is a sham, our way of bending the rules for the energy companies are a joke, and it seems there is a reason or excuse for us allowing big business to not comply with the clean air,or water acts.
The injustice is they way we are ALL treated by our government……
By catlady
August 7, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
Suggest people read “Promises I can Keep-Why Poor Women put Motherhood before Marriage” which looks at child-bearing without marriage in lower class folks of every color. By Kathryn Edin and Maria Kefalas. It really opened my eyes to the thinking behind a lot of this explosion in unwed births.
By TJ
August 7, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Just reading all the comments makes me sad. We’re truly an angry, bitter society.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
What is the mission of the US troops involved in the surge?
Lets narrow it down to the surge: what is the surge’s mission?
Anyone.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
Peter Hey RCH when the CEO’s and huge corporate business stop getting their’s from the government, I will discuss what crumbs might have fallen to the Black community, and poor in general.
Those crumbs have generated intotrillions of dollars. And what has it accomplished? More governmental dependency. Just what Hillary wants.
By Peter
August 7, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
TJ I can agree with you……funny how we have a faith based society, yet that actually has become a TOOL for politics, and social agenda’s in general……
But Hey we are on a Blog that calls itself “RIGHT”…… which implies those who don’t agree are considered “Wrong”……
This blog is just another example of the fractions of the different groups in America today!
By Albert
August 7, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
“If I were black, and living in the projects, I would NEVER have kids”
The first black female to be appointed dean of an American medical school is Dr. Ross Lee. I can not remember her first name, but she is Diana Ross’s sister. Dr. Lee was appointed dean of New York’s School Osteopathic Medicine. Dr. Lee grew up in the projects of Detroit and was a single mother with 5 children. My point. Stop sentencing all, poor, minority children to a life of doom because they may reside in the projects. I know that Diana Ross’s sister is an exception, but with the right guidance and direction anyone can do a 180.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
The surge is intended to do what?
anyone
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
I see I have prompted a more in-depth discussion of the serious issues behind the profound tragedy and scandal that is southern family life.
American family life, especially southron family life suffers from the post-traumatic stress disorder inflicted on it by 300 years of slavery and 100+ years of Jim (Wooten) Crow.
Bottom line, the irrefutable fact is this - white southrons were allowed to indiscriminately murder and rape other human beings with total impunity for some 20 generations.
To suggest that 40 years of increasingly enfeebled attempts to address the incredible damage inflicted on our country and its “black” minority by white southron monster culture is not working means only that the problem has been trivialized.
Southron culture - and southron family life - is based upon monstrous evil - no amount of denial and blame-shifting can change that.
O, Absalom!
Once again, I encourage more analysis of the basic fundamental depravity of life in Dicksea, and how their contagion has spread to the rest of the country.
By Jackie
August 7, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
Today’s topic is a sociological problem that has manifested itself since the time of slavery. None of has the expertise or skills to solve this problem. We do have the ability to discuss issues that we have a direct impact upon, i.e., IRAQ.
By @@
August 7, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad @ 11:29:
The nuclear family is no longer the norm in society. Instead of trying to re-insitute it, look at the new reality and come up with real solutions to the problems.
I’m not convinced that we should so quickly scrap something that has proven beneficial to society as a whole. That’s an easy out. So is divorce, and that leaves our children emotionally scarred and unable to commit to a long term relationship. That’s compromising Lily, and our children deserve better than that.
Concerned about out-of-wedlock babies? Stop opposing abortion.
That sends a clear message to our children that they are not valued.
Concerned about the lack of fathers involved in their children’s lives? End racial disparity in sentencing & repeal drug laws that target users.
Are you saying that lawbreakers and drug addicts make good fathers and role-models? Are these type of men the best that the black community has to offer their children? Is the black community willing to settle for that? Are you saying that they should?
That last one floored me when I read it.
By AmVet
August 7, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
For me, like removing the last layer of gauze covering up the hideous mummy, the ugly truth of the situation in America was finally fully uncovered after Katrina - poor people in this country do not matter. At least not much.
Notice I said poor people, not blacks, not Latinos, not anyone else.
But the reality, of course, is that poor people are disproportionately black, Hispanic, etc…
I’m pretty sure that this is the way it has always been in “civilized” societies, at least to some extent or another.
But today’s America is extremely worrisome in this regard.
Many of the neo-cons naively believe that people are poor because they choose to be and so, deserve the outcome. And, of course, regardless of the individual causes or circumstances, they deserve no help whatsoever, as it would take money from their pocket in the form of “income redistribution”.
Many of the liberals say it is up to society to ensure that everyone, even the lowlifes and criminals, are taken care of, and deserve everything no matter the cost or ineffectiveness. But let’s face it, the rich can surely share the bulk of this burden, right?
And it seems almost everyone else does little but pay lip service to the plight and social ills of the impoverished among us. And only when it becomes a problem for us ourselves, as in the case of crime, do we have much to either say or contribute to any solutions.
This is a problem which cannot be framed in terms of Republican vs Democratic, conservative vs liberal, black vs white.
It is a human problem. And an American problem. And it speaks of a nation that in some ways lacks in “blind justice”.
A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity.
Ralph Nader
And apparently we’re still relying on a ton of charity.
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Peter, you are sterotyping young black women based on a few personal examples.
catlady, care to give us some examples of the findings of the book you mentioned?
By Goodoldboyskills
August 7, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
Explain why some of the most notorious killers ever came from wedded parents.
John Wayne Gacy Jeffrey Dahmer Wayne Williams WV Tech Killer
By getalife
August 7, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
Last Saturday, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution published an extraordinary ombudsman piececoncerning the paper’s Letters-To-The-Editor policy. This major newspaper will now publish just about any reader diatribe on its op-ed pages and let other readers decide - based on their own prejudices - whether the letter writer is telling the truth.
I guess we will see some more wingnut crap. This blog is enough.
Geez.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
GodHatesTrash
American family life, especially southron family life suffers from the post-traumatic stress disorder inflicted on it by 300 years of slavery and 100+ years of Jim (Wooten) Crow
Please keep that in mind when now our largest minority, Hispanics claim the same disorder due to the white man’s quest of hunting them down because of their citizenship status and fear of deportation. Give me a break.
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
To: GodHatesTrash @1:11, What? First please define Southern Family Life. I am confused as to what this entails…
By ThereYouGoAgain
August 7, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
RCH, get over your hatred of Hispanics. Did some lovely young senorita slap you silly or something? You are one ignorant SOB aren’t you RCH?
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad: After Catlady’s suggestion I looked this up on the net. This is REALLY a great informative book. Excerpt below:
Whereas Antonia Rodriguez’s boyfriend Emilio greeted the news of her pregnancy with a kind of stoic acceptance followed by joy and anticipation, Mike campaigned hard to avoid fatherhood. “He called me on the phone at school to say, ‘Get an abortion… . If you don’t get an abortion, we aren’t going to be together.’ Then he would just call up and say I was cheating on him, it wasn’t his baby… . If I wasn’t in my room, he’d say, ‘You must have been with somebody else.’ And I was like, ‘I don’t need this. I am trying to stay in school and still manage to be pregnant.’ It just stressed me out.”
But the news of the pregnancy soon reached Mike’s mother, who initiated a campaign of her own to convince Mike it was immoral to “force someone to get rid of their baby.” This tactic apparently worked. “So then he calls me back in the middle of the night, ‘Mahkiya, I think we should keep the baby.’” Even after Mike’s capitulation, though, “It was like he hated me for [being pregnant]. I still cared for him and loved him, but every day … he’d [call] and say, ‘It ain’t my child. Don’t put my name on the birth certificate.’”
Mike’s occasional bouts of “wild” behavior, which became more frequent during the pregnancy, also caused tensions in his relationship with Mahkiya. Prior to pregnancy, she says she might have joined Mike in some of the fun. But the practical realities of pregnancy meant that her behaviors were suddenly constrained in a way that Mike’s were not. Like so many others, Mahkiya spent the last trimester of her pregnancy on the couch at home, bored and lonely, while Mike was out partying, clubbing, and “ripping and running the streets.”
Abandonment is perhaps the most painful response to the news of a pregnancy from the mother’s point of view. Madeline, an eighteen-year-old Puerto Rican mother of a four-month-old, told us, “He said he wanted the baby from me, but I guess that was just words to get me to bed. Because that’s one thing I was really afraid of—getting pregnant at a young age. And he told me, ‘If anything happens, don’t worry.’ That’s why I was confused when he said he didn’t want to have nothing to do with me. Because he talked about it… . We didn’t actually plan … like, ‘Oh, it’s time to have a baby,’ but we talked about what would happen if I would be pregnant. He was like, ‘If you were ever to get pregnant, don’t worry because I will be there for you. You won’t [have to take care of it] by yourself. I will be there anytime you need anything.’ After I found out how he felt [about the baby], I felt like killing myself.”
Denial, threats, and abandonment sometimes even occur when the pregnancy is not accidental but planned. Denise, a white eighteen-year-old mother of two-year-old twins, told us that although she and her boyfriend “decided together” to have a child, he nevertheless “totally denied [my twins]. The first words that … came out of his mouth when I told him I was pregnant [were] ‘It’s not mine.’ So I said, ‘All right. Well, I guess it’s the pope’s, right?’” Denials and threats are sometimes backed with physical violence. In the most extreme cases, the violence seems to be aimed at the fetus itself. Twenty-seven-year-old Millie, the Puerto Rican mother of three we introduced above, says her children’s father “hit me all over … hit me in the belly” when she refused his demands for an abortion after their third child was conceived. “He was like ‘You don’t wanna take it out, I’ll take it out through your mouth.’”
By jbmlaw
August 7, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
Dear AmVet @ 1:17, what the heck do Jewish internationalist conservatives (or to use the Pat Buchanan-originated anti-Jewish epithet you employed, “neo-cons”) have to do with domestic poverty? Honestly, I thought you were better than Jackie.
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
GodHatesTrash Please pull your head out of your arse and let your brain get some air. The only raping an killing was done by the northern solders with lincon’s knowing approval. Some when you babble please have some fact to it.
By Corey
August 7, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
Excuse me while I stray. Dear Chief Pennington, Crime in Atlanta needs to be addressed more aggressively. You rearranged a few chairs after Ms. Johnston’s debacle. Chief Moody of Dekalb County makes regular appearances on the news talking up his bold initiatives to address crime in Dekalb County, and he has the backing of Vernon Jones and community leaders in Dekalb. Mayor Franklin went to bat for your agency by raising pay for police etc. We don’t hear from you until something goes wrong. Chief, I am very disappointed in your performance, and if the residents of Atlanta were allowed to vote you in or out, I would gladly vote you out. When you were selected for the job of chief I was elated because I heard about good things you had done in New Orleans, but that was mostly a snow job. Chief pennington, please take a more agressive and creative way of addressing crime in Atlanta. If Atlanta does not get a grip on crime, all those gleaming condo towers will remain empty, and those newly gentrified neighborhoods will become barren as people jet back to the suburbs. Mayor Franklin knows too well what impact that will have on the city’s tax base. You get the picture, Chief? Forget the tax base; we need to feel safe in this city. Damnit!
By RCH
August 7, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
ThereYouGoAgain
Fact; Hispanics are the largest minority in America.
Fact; The Hispanic community claims racism and profiling against Latinos.
Fact:Their has been a 37% increase in applications for citizenship in the last 6 months for fear of tightening laws and deportation.
Ignorance or truth?
Haven’t been slapped by a young senorita. Am I missing out?
By AmVet
August 7, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
Counselor, color me dense, but I cannot even begin to decipher your 1:36. What is all that stuff about Jews and Pat Buchanan? I promise you I have no clue what your point is.
So without the didactics this time, what exactly is your question for me?
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
Johnny Reb, I’ll wager there are tons of b-astards in your family tree, you POS redneck.
Trash.
Here I am asking for honest dialog, and a knuckle-dragging scumbag instead wants to lie and lie and lie.
Of course, what do you expect from the silly son of a redneck w-hore?
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
@@, I don’t think convicts and drug users are the best role models, but I do believe in rehabilitation. There is a disparity in sentencing of African Americans and other minorities compared to European Americans. Therefore there is a disproportionate number of black men who either are in jail or have been in jail, which impacts their ability to get a good job.
What about a rich white boy who loved cocaine, then became President — bad role model? Bad father? The best white society has to offer?
By Me
August 7, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
There but for the grace of God go I. Thankfully I was born 50+ years ago to 2 people who were responsible adults and made things work. They are still together after almost 57 years. The problem with America today is that the majority of adults are self-centered people who care only about themselves and about what happens today.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
Folks, can you imagine what kind of monstrous varmint whelped Johnny Reb?
Now do you see why I encourage mass sterilization of rednecks?
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
To: GOD HATES TRASH… Still waiting on a definition of what a Southern Family is?
Also, would you like some salsa for that chip on your shoulder? Do you have any time for productivity in your life, or are you just too bitter to move on and contribute?
By RCH
August 7, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad What did you say about rehabilitation. How old was Bush at that time? Or; Better than the Draft dodging white boy that put it to his lips but didnt inhale. LOL. Or while President having sex with an intern. Oh excuse me that wasn’t sex. In that case Lily Toad, lets meet for the same!
By Please
August 7, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
By Peter August 7, 2007 Hey Lily Toad, no complaining here just an observation……seems the black younger woman HAS a chip on her shoulder, and they are in lots of cases just rude.
Please. I can not COUNT the times that white women have sauntered through doors that I held open without saying a word. Not only that, the haughty attitude suggested some sort of entitlement.
I won’t even get into the rude white children in public places who run in front of you, walk across your feet, and all kinds of nonsense WITHOUT saying “excuse me.”
I digress. I’ll try to to generalize as some of you are so good at doing.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
I must say I’ve enjoyed the back and forth banter regarding racial and cultural stereotyping that Jim Wooten Crow has started here today, and the opportunity to weigh in with fine minds like @@, jbmlaw, tft-tranny, and Johnny Reb.
I have things to do until later in the day, but I welcome your comments - hopefully I’ll be able to spend some quality time here later to see what other excreta these brilliant minds of the South will come up with today!
Meanwhile, I leave you to ponder this thought - why is it always the stupidest and most ignorant whitefolk that are the biggest champions of European cultural supremacy?
By Ray
August 7, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Nowhere in Mr. Wooten’s column does he say anything about white women. At least read the column before you spew your ignorance.
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
For those of you too dense to get my analogy — a rich white boy, son of a president, kicks his cocaine habit, quits drinking, later becomes president and is considered a family man and good husband. What if he had been a poor black man who was arrested for crack cocaine and locked away for years?
Can you answer without bringing in Clinton? Don’t assume I’m a fan of either of the Clintons.
By Please
August 7, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
Ray, You read the post(s) being replied to, or refrain from comment.
Conversations evolve after the initial column. Spew that.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
Lucky me! My two o’clock appointment has been delayed, so I get to spend some more quality time here with my southron friends!
InTownGal - I would suggest that my usage of the term “southern family” refers to characteristics of typical southern family life - like alcoholism, violence, incest, rape as courtship, astronomically high divorce rates, philandering and w-horing (by both men and women), et. al, especially including the role of illegitimacy in southern family life, when compared to family life in other regions of the country.
What’s your definition?
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
God Hates Trash: Please note, stupidest is NOT a word.
Still waiting for a definition of what you consider to be the southern family. (post at 1:11) What exactly does that consist of, and how do you define it?
Also of note, if you are not pleased with the south in any way, you are FREE to leave at any time. That’s what makes this country so great, FREEDOM. Delta has over 600 flights/day out of Atlanta. Also, instead of spewing uneducated rhetoric keep in mind that stupid lives everywhere, the fact that you are here proves that point.
Get educated GHT, stop focusing on the ills of society, blaming others for you woes, and try, TRY and be productive!
By Grace
August 7, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
I agree with this article. It angers me sometime that black leaders are so focused on the wrong issues. The only reason M.Vick is not being honored is because state rep. Tyrone Brooks spoke the truth. As a long time member of the SCLC, he acknowledge that Vick has never been a member or even associated with them. He went on to say that there are many black youth that need their help but M.Vick was not one. He has enough money for a legal dream team. What has he ever done that was worth honoring except run a football? When I read that in today’s paper I screamed, “FINALLY, SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE!
The reason membership is down with many black organizations is because there is such a generation gap between the old school civil rights leaders & the hip hop generation. While civil rights leaders were fighting to get racist flags removed from state capitols, that Wilson kid was being sentence to 10yrs for having sex with a girl 2yrs younger than him. What about the story on 20/20 about 6wks ago on a black man who was doing life in Texas for smoking weed. At the time ABC news did the story he had already did 17yrs in jail. After the story broke, he was let out. Yet our leaders are running around worried about some damn flags. You can remove a flag but you cannot change what is in a persons heart. Until black organizations start focusing on problems of my generation & get out of the 1960’s membership will continue to go down.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
God Hates Trash
What other parts of the country( planet) have you lived on?
Your blog does not deserve an answer. Ditto Intowngal.
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
GOD HATES TRASH, So, according to your statement,
“…refers to characteristics of typical southern family life - like alcoholism, violence, incest, rape as courtship, astronomically high divorce rates, philandering and w-horing (by both men and women), et. al, especially including the role of illegitimacy in southern family life, when compared to family life in other regions of the country.”
these types of behaviors are exclusive to the south only? If so, do you have facts/figures to back up these claims of southern life? Also, are your examples above only in relation to white people? You keep saying “whitefolks” in your comments, which is why I ask.
You have not been around enough (obviously) to know that these issues exist everywhere!
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
No, InTownGal, “stupidest” is perfectly acceptable.
The last thing you can say about my “rhetoric” is that it is uneducated, especially since I gather you were educated in southern schools. You are right though - stupid lives everywhere - but let’s face it - it’s epidemic in Dicksea.
Anyhow, sweetie, I answered your question. What you need to know about me is that I thankfully do not live anywhere near your beloved Dicksea - as I type these words I am less than 40 miles from Canada!
But let me post my question again for you - with your “faux” correction included, I’d love to see your answer:
Meanwhile, I leave you to ponder this thought - why is it always the most stupid and most ignorant whitefolk that are the biggest champions of European cultural supremacy?
You are quite qualified to speak from your personal experience!
By Rusty
August 7, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
Hi Lily toad, The crack smokin’ex-con gets RE-ELECTED Mayor of DC.
By The Wrath of Doom
August 7, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
GodHatesTrash,
Southern,Southern, Southern. Your enitre retarded poor excuse of a platform is governed by attacking the south. The statistics Wooten cited are concerning Blacks and whites all over the country, brainless. I know you think you’re smart by citing a bunch of ancient history occurences, but they are not germane to what’s going on today. Do you think that everything is better for blacks up north? If you’re mama(I doubt you have a father) had spent more time teaching you how to look at life’s problems more objectively, instead of teaching you how to whine like a b!tch, you would be able to recognize the real status of our people today and not blame it on others and what they did yesterday.
Hopefully you have a chance to read this message before you go into your appointment for crack addiction and mental psychosis treatment .
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
Gold Star for Rusty!!
By William Fielder
August 7, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Sad, but true. Why would the SCLC attempt to protect a thug who murdered dogs and taught them to murder each other? You want Iraq? Sure. We’re now winning. But what does that have to do with the problem? Why must we follow the agenda of the left? Destruction of the family as a competitor with the state is a leftist priority. Why help the left achieve their socialist goals? whf.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad I would accept the concept of wealth in the handing out of justice.
Since this is the case, and Whites are the majority of wealth holders, it is a safe assumption to presume this hypothesis.
By the way, forgive me for my crass statement. But remember, this action was taken while serving as the President of the United States not as a young man. We all make mistakes when we are young.
By deegee
August 7, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
I would like to see where the Wootang Gang stands on the problem of meth addiction. Did the Southern Baptist convention address the meth epidemic during their yearly convocation? Not from what I can tell. JW is silent on the white trash culture that is pervasive in rural and suburban America. The human and financial toll is staggering. Where are the leaders?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/28/eveningnews/main691764.shtml
By Peter
August 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Hey PLEASE…..
I am sure you and I have had the same situation, only from a different point of view…… it seems in GENERAL…..folks are not at all respectful…….and that means all colors and all nationalities……..
Kind of sucks….we need to come together as ONE people……. take away the skin, like a great Atlanta musician Curtis Mayfield said…..
“we all have similar fears, cry similar tears, live so many years”
Blood is red no matter who’s body it comes from !!!!!
By The Confusion of Doom
August 7, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
deegee,
Funny how people like you complain and say “Nobody talks about black people’s problems because nobody cares”, and when they do talk about them, you ask why aren’t they talking about white people’s problems.
Make up your mind.
By DavidM
August 7, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
I can actually appreciate his sentiment (Wooten’s, that is), however much I take issue with the ludicrous last sentence of the piece. (Does he really want to label an individual as “programmed to fail”? Whatever happened to the conservative’s “individual responsibility” ideology?) I also can’t understand — except as just another race-bait — the need to break this down along racial lines. Take the race out of it and this message is cogent for me. Leave the race in there and, as this blog shows, we quickly get off the point and back into racist bickering.
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
As a writer by trade, who was not educated in the public schools, I find your choice of spelling interesting?
Why is it you spell Southern, Southron, is that a clever little play on moron? How about Dicksea, could that be for dickhead-or sea of dickheads? And I love your cute little name, God Hates Trash, are you refering to white trash? Aren’t you just too clever!
You have made sweeping judgemental comments (unvalidated ones) about other people and the way they live their lives in a particular section of a country—-doing so all from an entire separate region of the country. How would you know all these things from your lofty perch near Canada? Furthermore, why do you care? Whose the biggot stupid person now?
By Please
August 7, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Peter,
I agree.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Deegee
The Southern Baptist convention is an religious organization vs. NAACP and SCLC are social political action committees.( That recieve govt. grants) Big difference.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
To wrath of redneck, inTownGal, etc. - just a little bit of Googling will point you to myriad statistical studies that will show you that divorce, incest, murder, rape, violent death and violent crime, bankruptcy, tax evasion, teen pregnancy, high school dropout rates, etc. are all higher in your beloved Dicksea, even when your ‘black’ fellow southrons are factored out.
As a for instance - southron white women are 8 times more likely to kill other women than women in any other area of the country. Southern white men are 4 times more likely to kill other whites than any other area of the country. I would say that your depraved culture is the reason - any other suggestions by you would be worth hearing, at least for chuckles and grins!
You know, it would be wonderful if you southerners would face your social problems on your own, rather than make the rest of us pay for them - every southern state receives more money in federal spending than they collect in federal taxes.
Giving money to southerners to improve their society is like throwing it in the streets.
Do we agree on that, at least?
By The Explanation of Doom
August 7, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
DavidM,
The reason Wooten breaks it down along racial lines is because the problem is affecting each race differently. Also, blacks have so called “leaders” who claim to care about them and Wooten is pointing out their hypocrisy.
The reason there is so much racist bickering is because blacks do not like to face their issues head on and hold themselves accountable. They(we) like to blame others for our situation, but when someone like Wooten prevents us from keeping our heads in the sand like we usually do, we attack with statements like “rednecks”, “racists”, and so on.
By Ernest Norsworthy
August 7, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Oh, irony of ironies. While many Americans squander the greatest freedoms, the most opportunities a people ever had in the world, the argument devolves to whether marriage is the answer to society’s problems. Surely, it is one of them.
But it goes back further. In the South, it goes back to when it still was possible fully to realize the great American entrepreneurial spirit that almost was squelched in the war of Northern Aggression. And later, governmental action during the Great Depression. Recovery is not yet complete.
A patina of government, the federal government, still covers the South. Our southern representatives in Washington suffer from the belief that more federal largess equals economic freedom and somehow is a payback for what was lost in the war. Just the opposite is true. The federal government fosters dependence, not the independence fought for so many years ago.
It is almost to the point where state and local governments are fearful of making the wrong move, of being challenged by the federal government.
In one huge instance of federal government domination of 80,000 square miles of sovereign land in seven southeastern states, the Tennessee Valley Authority controls from start to finish the provision of electricity to 8.7 million customers. None of the public service commission’s in those seven states can overrule a rate hike of the TVA.
A New Deal agency, TVA in its charter was granted extraordinary authorities unequalled by any other federal agency.
Until we throw off the yoke of economic slavery of the federal government, the South never will rise again to its potential. The culture of dependence must be broken.
The irony of Jim Wooten’s argument is that looking us square in the eye is a much greater menace – the takeover of America through illegal immigration. A sobering and realistic view of this problem can be found in Victor Davis Hanson’s book “Mexifornia a State of Becoming”. A renowned author, Hanson chronicles his life’s experiences on a San Joaquin Valley farm in California.
For an excellent read on the Great Depression, see also “The Forgotten Man” by Amity Shlaes. I am writing a book about the TVA that I hope will be a companion to her book. emnorsworthy@earthlink.net or http://norsworthyopinion.com
By mani
August 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Wow Deegee! They don’t even mention race in the article/link about meth addiction. WE KNOW had this issue been prevelant among any other demographic, it would have been clearly stated in the HEADLINE.
They’ll say everything but WHITE… Deep in America’s heartland, hidden among the river towns and rolling farmland…
GTFOOHWTBS!
By Lily Toad
August 7, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Peter and Please,
And what do you do when a woman holds the door for you?
By deegee
August 7, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
Thanks, RCH. I guess we know where you stand on the issue.
By @@
August 7, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
LilyToad:
Unlike you, I am not a firm believer in rehabilitation. The statistics would support me in that. Bush is an exception to the rule, not because of his wealth, but because of his determination and belief in a power greater than himself.
To make a point, I’m going to divulge some personal information. I come from a family of four siblings. White and poor to middle class. My three siblings fell victim to addictions. One determined, overcame it. One divorced her husband and began a downward spiral into addiction. Before she hit bottom, she relinquished custody of her kids to her husband who had no addiction problems. She later did prison time, got out, went on the government dole and died from her addiction. Her kids are fine and raising fine kids.
The last sibling was intelligent and held a very prestigious job. She married, gave birth to a child. She divorced her husband and raised the child alone. She developed addictions that cost her her job. She went on the government dole. She continues to this day living a life of promiscuity, alcohol and drug addiction. Her son grew up with the same problems and has fathered several children by several different women and does not provide support for any of the children. He learned to play the system from his Mom and continues playing that system to this day.
Now, just an aside. The sibling who overcame is a libertarian that votes Republican. The sister who passed voted Democrat. The sister presently in decline votes Democrat. The reason they do that is because the Democratic party assists in enabling their destructive behavior.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
ATTENTION EVERYONE:
I thought that this would be a ggod time to fess up and admit why I have such a thing against the south. While I was visiting there, I saw a young lady who I was attracted to very much. We dated on and off for about 6 months and finally I decided to propose to her. After 3 months of marriage, I noticed that she wasn’t always where she told me she was and also, she didn’t answer the phone when I called her. One day I decided to follow her when she left our home, and I discovered a truth that I will never get over. I followed her into a hotel room, burst in and saw her involved with six guys from the south: 3 whites and 3 blacks. The 3 whites each had their c@ck her mouth, ears, and nose, and the three blacks each had theirs lodged up her a$$. When I told them to stop, she looked at me and said “Welcome to the South sweetheart!”
So you see, I have reason to hate all people from the south. This is what my appointment was about today, trying to recover from such a traumatic experience that left me scared for the rest of my life.
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
Trash, You are so quick to call names, leads me to know that you sir are a chicken s** with a very limited vocabulary. But tell me when you have a family reunion how many of you little inbred b******* are the running around total count all. But anyway you babble some pooh and blame all your problems on the South, because of your ignorance and stupidity. But since you have no real vocabulary to debate, you do your best with your small mind. So one more question, when you look up your familt tree how long before the monkey crap hits you in your poopie face.
By Redneck Convert
August 7, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
I sure am glad the woman with Two of Them Things let us know about Democrats being weak drug addicts and Republicans being strong people. I always suspicioned it but now I know. Just one more reason to vote Republican to get closer to God.
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
Promises I can keep More excerpts:
The African American grandmother has always played a powerful social and symbolic role in the lives of her grandchildren.
But in the impoverished white and Latino neighborhoods we studied, where help from a child’s own father is often in short supply, the mother’s own mother is often an integral part of the parenting team as well. Poor single mothers across the racial and ethnic spectrum rely on their own mothers and grandmothers for much more than free babysitting or childrearing advice.
Mothers’ own mothers will sometimes put up the money for the crib and the stroller, especially when a child’s father cannot or will not offer support. But a mother’s parental or grandparental home also serves as a haven when relationships go bad, a job is lost, and the rent cannot be paid.
Mahkiya moved back to her grandmother’s home when she finally evicted Mike from her life. Jen, the pregnant, seventeen-year-old white mother of a toddler (profiled in chapter 3), moves back in with her stepmother when the bottom falls out of her relationship with her baby’s father. And after Deena’s relationship with her first child’s father goes sour, this pregnant, white, twenty-one-year-old mother of a two-year-old (featured in chapter 4) finds herself back on her grandmother’s living-room couch with her baby and new boyfriend in tow.
By deegee
August 7, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Ball of Confusion@2:53,
That was funny.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
GodHatesTrash
Just curious. How long have y’all been married now?
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
Given the proclivities of southern women, the scene proscribed to me above would certainly seem plausible, but let me assure you, the great name of GodHatesTrash has been appropriated in a previous post by a poser.
My condemnation of things southern comes from American history books, not because of an uncomfortable run-in with a typical southern gal. I have never been married to a southern woman - as the saying goes - why buy a cow when milk is free?
For the record, I do not hate southerners. Contempt, disgust, pity - yes - but not hate.
As for the poser, perhaps some southron gent is reliving an uncomfortable scene from his childhood involving his mother?
If imitation is indeed the sincerest form of flattery, I should consider myself flattered - alas, flattered by a redneck POS.
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
GHT- My point of your stupidity has been proven by your post @ 3:12. I rest my case.
By BYUGRL
August 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
The reason we have so may babies born out of wed-lock has a lot to do with the fact that many of us refused to abort them. I bet if you review the stats on abortion you’ll find the majority are white…. That still doesn’t remove the fact that we do have our share of problems that are clearly not being addressed.
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
You have made sweeping judgemental comments (unvalidated ones) about other people and the way they live their lives in a particular section of a country
So did you; what’s the difference from his sweeping generalizations and yours?
RCH: NAACP and SCLC does NOT receive federal money. More misinformation being spouted on this blog as if it was FACT. Amazing.
By B.J Patel
August 7, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
I was once the co-worker of RCH. He was fired for a problem that he had with the Latina supervisor over him. He also was very loud and vocal about Mexicans and always took each opportunity to degrade them. He also would pin articles from vDare.com written by a convicted felon and known racist, D.A. King to the cubicles of everyone in the group. RCH is a fraudulant person with many prejudices and insecurities. He always went on rants that his culture was being polluted by people of color.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
BYUGRL
I challenge your statement. Fifty years ago we did not have this out of wed-lock birth rate, nor did we have whole sale legalized abortion as like today.
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
Trash, You are full of crap. If you think all people from the South are like you described. But if she had something in her mouth how did she say anything? I stand by my previous statement.
DebbieDoRight Most grandmothers be them white or black play a strong role in the families. That is why the carry the names such as Big Momma, Nanny or Memaw. It is respect not body size. Same way with Grandfathers, Big Daddy, Papa and yes Granddady all carry the same respect.
By vivian
August 7, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
Now, just an aside. The sibling who overcame is a libertarian that votes Republican. The sister who passed voted Democrat. The sister presently in decline votes Democrat. The reason they do that is because the Democratic party assists in enabling their destructive behavior.
Methinnks @@ is telling lies lies.
By RCH
August 7, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
Debbiedoright They get federal grants.
By Please
August 7, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad,
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that happen. I’m very tall, so in that situation, I usually grab the upper edge of the door and suggest that the woman pass through first.
If it has happened, I certainly said “thank you.”
Though I’m a full-grown adult now, my mother didn’t allow my brothers and I to pass through doors in front of her once we were of the age that we should have been holding it for her. The lesson stuck. :)
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
DEBBIEDORIGHT: To which generalization are you referring? Also, you may find this article about the NAACP interesting…
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0321-05.htm
GHT- I am curious about this statement, “For the record, I do not hate southerners. Contempt, disgust, pity - yes - but not hate.” Why exactly? If you are a different color, or from a different area of the country than me, would you find this statement to be biased, or would you be offended if I said it? For instance if I put blacks in this statment in lieu of southerners wouldn’t that be wrong? If anything, it would be a statement made by a biggot, and we all know that is unacceptable.
Oh, by the way, I would personally like my federal dollars refunded to me that was spent on that catastrophe known as the “big dig,” in Boston. Since any money spent on southerners is money that may as well be tossed in the street, (according to you).
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
You know, to ask a southern woman to stop spreading her legs for whoever comes through her door is like asking the wind to stop blowing or the sun to stop shining.
Do I get an “Amen!”?
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
Nope, you get a your damn idoit. Go crawl back you the Northern horse turd you crawled out from under. May be if your mother had blew your father the world would better off. You sir are the reason for birth control.
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
That’s okay Johnny Reb, it seems that I have been able to get to GOD HATES TRASH, because he is now unable to maintain. His arguments and statements have absolutely no validity and border on sheer stupidity, and everyone on this blog knows it. He only validates my argument that stupid indeed does live everywhere.
By @@
August 7, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
vivian:
Methinnks @@ is telling lies lies.
I wish I was vivian…I wish I was.
The sister that’s still with us was a huge Gore fan and now supports Hillary. She has never once considered a Republican candidate.
The sister that passed believed that all people needed help, and that the Democrats could offer that help. I supplemented the governments help with my personal finances. It still didn’t do the trick. Some people are destined to fail themselves and abandon their dreams for a better life.
By deegee
August 7, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Apparently the phrase “white trash culture” got some folks on this blog a little worked up and detracted attention from the serious problem of meth addiction in rural and suburban America. I would like to see more focus on this subject, but I am afraid that until we can apply a politically correct moniker to the group of people most likely to become addicted to meth, we won’t see any progress. We all know to whom “urban”, “hip-hop” and “gangsta” culture applies. We all know what is meant by the “illegal immigrant” culture. Perhaps on the next “Free for all Friday” JW can take suggestions for a politically correct moniker for “white trash” culture. That way @@ won’t have to write an entire paragraph describing what happened to her sisters. She can just say they fell into the “fill-in the-blank” culture, and everyone will know what she means.
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
InTownGal, the most offensive thing to me about you is your unwarranted arrogance commingled with your ignorant stupidity, which is alas, all too common amongst you southern folks.
As a descendant of Dicksea, you come steeped in a cultural and historical stew of hate, superstition, and stupidity - hate and suspicion came to you with your mother’s milk.
What you think of me means nothing to me - you should stay down there with your own kind, I’ll remain up here, far from the clutches of your lynch mobs…
Don’t take it too hard - hey - maybe Johnny Reb is available - he seems like your kind of guy!
With regard to the Big Dig - tell your mother to ask for more foodstamps - if it ain’t you, there’s some other no account in your family that we Yankees are supporting…
By RCH
August 7, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
B.J Patel Haven’t heard from you since the immigration bill has been defeated. At that time you told everyone you worked with me and you were going to clean my clock. I am still in my office. As most of you know, I have offered to meet on a social bases or to provide help for troops overseas. My offer still stands.
By DebbieDoRight
August 7, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
InTownGirl:Get educated GHT, stop focusing on the ills of society, blaming others for you woes, and try, TRY and be productive!
You made the above ^^ statement to GHT; how do you know that he is “blaming others for his woes”? He stated he was quoting history, and no matter how much some would like to rewrite history, it stands as its own monument to human occupation on planet earth. What you said, because you didn’t like what he said, was a generalization for first him, his life, and his place of residence. You did the exact same thing that he did.
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Trash, Tell you what. You come on down South here pick the lady you want to walk to and flap your yap at and when gets finished slapping the S* out our then the gentle men can have their turn. But remember that the history books you refer to were written to reflect the North as great humaritians, which they were not and neither was Lincon. He was a racist. Check the real history books that the War of Northern Agression was fought over States rights and fact the North would have gone broke if it were not the over taxing of the Sotuhern states. Then we can go on to the killing and raping of civilans by norhtern troops. Of which the northern officers and even Lincon himself new of and no action was taken to discourage. No one was tried for crimes of burning civilain crops or homes. I would same read some history books that show you the truth and not the Northern Fairytale taught in school.
By InTownGal
August 7, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
GHT-
Keep in mind this was your statement… “You know, to ask a southern woman to stop spreading her legs for whoever comes through her door is like asking the wind to stop blowing or the sun to stop shining.”
Who is the arrogant one? Hmmm?
Also you didn’t answer my question…b/c I am TRULY curious about your statement a few posts back, “For the record, I do not hate southerners. Contempt, disgust, pity - yes - but not hate.”
Why exactly? If you are a different color, or from a different area of the country than me, would you find this statement to be biased, or would you be offended if I said it? For instance if I put blacks in this statment in lieu of southerners wouldn’t that be wrong? If anything, it would be a statement made by a biggot, and we all know that is unacceptable.
You have been the biased, biggot on this post. Take a look at what you have said throughout this entire post. Especially @ 4:16. I have not resorted to the childish name calling, which seems to be the moniker to which you subscribe. You cannot have a valid debate w/o the poisoned rhetoric by which you spew, and you don’t like the fact that a 2 degree holding woman, or anyone else for that matter points all this out to you. Please answer my question above.
By Redneck Convert
August 7, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
I just knowed that sooner or later they would start throwing off on us rednecks. About how we like meth and stuff. I was hoping we would keep the talk on a high Moral level. I didn’t want to say nothing about my brother Homer that went off to colledge and got rich and became a big librul and a fambly disgrace. Not to mention my sister Daisy that married a Northren Democrat and lives in a big house out on Long Island in Yankee country. Some shames you like to stay quiet about, but they just won’t let you.
Anyway, Wooten needs to kick this GHT off of this blog. He just gets people all riled up and makes fun of good Southren life and our women. We need a good lynching party, but I reckon the libruls have made that illegal these days.
By catlady
August 7, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Debbie DR and Lily T:
The authors of the above mentioned book did a multiyear ethnographic study of women of all races in poor neighborhoods in Philadelphia. Their findings indicated that women worried about the transient nature of the marriages they saw around them, and were unwilling to risk getting married, at least to the unskilled, drugged, frequently-jailed fathers of their children. They despised divorce and the running around that they saw going on around them. They had few role models of marriage-centered family life. They also looked to their children to prove to the world that they were good people; that they could “make it” against difficult odds. They also ascribed more value to having children, perhaps as a result of the above. The mothers also began having sex very, very quickly and very, very young, taking few precautions against pregnancy, believing it will happen if it is supposed to. They did not see that having a baby made a lot of difference as far as their economic future—that they were going to have to make it on their own anyway, and that children provided something positive in their largely difficult lives. Having children was at the center of their “meaning-making activities” as opposed to middle and upper class women who look to rewarding careers and professions. while they could not imagine postponing children, they were willing to postpone marriage until they were “set”. The risks and rewards are calculated in a way that the “sure thing”—the pleasure and positive image that comes from having children—outweighs the “maybe” of having a long term, viable marriage, which they did not see around them.
Sorry this is so disjointed. You really should read this book, because it is an eye-opener, especially if you cannot figure out what is going on so prevalently now. It might give some clues as to how to reverse (what I think) is a rapidly-becoming-endemic-malaise in many of our communities, which has a profound effect on us all, even if only through our pockets.
By @@
August 7, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
My post disappeared.
deegee:
Meth wasn’t/isn’t my sisters drug of choice.
I’ll fill in that blank for you…
The Misguided Culture
The Misled Culture
The Stumbling Bumbling Culture
The Sacrificial Lambs of The Liberal Experiment Culture
Can you think of any you want to add?
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Thank you, Intowngirl Gald to meet someone with class and education here. Now if you would like to continue the debate I would be honored. It seems you do indeed have the mental capacity to debate, unlike others.
By @@
August 7, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
My post disappeared.
deegee:
Meth wasn’t/isn’t my sisters drug of choice.
I’ll fill in that blank for you…
The Misguided Culture
The Misled Culture
The Stumbling Bumbling Culture
The Sacrificial Lambs of The Liberal Experiment Culture
Can you think of any you want to add?
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
Deegee, excellent excellent idea.
Since the Lost Cause is integral to the white southern experience, why don’t we call it “whiny loser” culture? But that is just a suggestion…
By GodHatesTrash
August 7, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
InTownGirl - where I come from your eighth grade diploma and your high school diploma don’t count as terminal degrees. In fact, since you continue to use ‘biggot’ - the word is ‘bigot’ - you are in the running for one of the stupidest college grads I’ve ever met.
You continue to defend your gutter southern culture - I find that contemptible, pitiful, and disgusting - but I do not hate you.
But on a happy note - looks like you and Johnny Reb have made a love connection! You go girl!
Just hope we taxpayers don’t end up supporting another little b-astard in your family!
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
It’s so hot that Vick bought an air conditioned dog house. (4 his dogs even)
By deegee
August 7, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
How about the Ashley Smith culture? Anyone know what she’s up to lately and who she’s voting for in the next election?
BTW, does anyone else but me think that the cops were so happy to get Brian Nichols that they agreed to let her say anything she wanted to say about how those two ended up in the same apartment that night?
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Ahhhhhh trash, that tiny little mond of yours ran out of gas so you depending on some other dumb A** now for help. Maybe if you take you brain turn it into gas, if your lucky it might take a gnat’s scooter half way around a bb.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
It’s so hot that Vick borrowed Tammy Faye Baker’s air-conditioned doghouse.
By Analchord
August 7, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
It’s so hot that Vick decided to make pupsicles.
By @@
August 7, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
Cute deegee and desperate too.
How about the Ashley Smith culture? Anyone know what she’s up to lately and who she’s voting for in the next election?
I haven’t heard that she killed four people or raped anybody. Other than that, I don’t care what she’s up to or with whom. We’ve paid over a million dollars for Nichols’ defense. The cost of his defense is shortchanging other defendants. Do you support that?
She’ll probably vote Democrat.
BTW, you’re up to your knees in bull crap.
By Johnny Reb
August 7, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this
Trash, I read where you finally learned to use a dictionary. If you weren’t such an a* we might see eye to eye on a couple of things and maybe you could learn how to debate instead of trying so hard to insult others. I really do undertand that you little inbred b******* do not have much mental capacity or formal training. Getting you house was quite a challange for your crack w******* mother. If she had gotten e dollar more maybe they could have completed her abortion instead of scrambling your tiny litte brain. It has been fun and maybe another day, we shall debate again.
By Patman
August 8, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
You’d have to go back to the Julius Caesar administration to find a Jim Wooten column where he wasn’t blaming every ill in the universe on black people. Jim, you’re nothing but neal Boortz with a pen.
By Patman
August 8, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
You’d have to go back to the Julius Caesar administration to find a Jim Wooten column where he wasn’t blaming every ill in the universe on black people. Jim, you’re nothing but neal Boortz with a pen.
By tiff
August 8, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
Jim Wooten says that when a child is brought up in a home where the parents are married their children are programmed to succeed but because most blacks dont marry they set their kids up to fail. I watched primetime last night, and saw this wonderfull, happily married white couple, who had given both their children every opportunity in the world to succeed. So why did the 16 year old girl blow the both of them away with a shot gun. Everybody in the family grand-ma,grand-pa, brother and friends alike all stated that her whole life she grew up in a home with married, caring parents and was treated like a princess. If all black kids do wrong and all whites are perfect please solve this one for us Mr. Wooten. I bet you won’t reply. And don’t cop-out and give me the she was psychotic crap, because everyone that knew her including her friends said she was perfectly sane. I’ll solve it for you Mr. Wooten, you see you can grow up with unmarried parents and still live a life of decency and prosperity, because people out there in the world who own the businesses that hire blacks don’t know the marital status of a persons parents anyway. But if they won’t give you a chance because of the color of your skin, that’s where the failure comes from. Not failure on the part of blacks, failure on the part of employers who are looking out for their own race and won’t give most blacks a chance anyway. I know plenty of blacks who grew up in single parent homes went on to college, got degrees most finishing at the top of their class, and still get passed up for jobs. It’s called looking out for your own. But I will give you one thing blacks don’t look out for their own the way you all do. The married thing is just a cover up on your part.
By tiff
August 8, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
You also stated that black leaders are focusing on the wrong things. I submit that white leaders are doing a greater diservice. They are focusing on dog fighting when real humans “our wonderful soldiers” are being blown to pieces in Iraq. And you people in the media won’t even give them the time of day. Twenty seconds on the evening news everyday, and 15 minutes to Michael Vick and this dog-fighting case. What a bunch of hippocrites you all are. This article is not about your concern for blacks, it’s just your way to be-little them and make yourself look better than them. And if you want to talk about family values, talk about the divorce rate among white-americans.
By Jackie Lee
August 8, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
Tiff: Black or White leaders are all out on their own agenda, furthering their own careers. You tell us to look at the White divorce rate, compared to what??? The Blacks just do not bother to marry. As for Michael Vick, as long as we idolize so called athletic super stars who are over paid, we will have more and more of these cases. Do not care how much money he now has it all goes back to his upbringing.
By Corey Brown
August 9, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
Leaders’ Silence by Jim Wooten I found the article both accurate and timely. Being a professional African-American male, I find that the organizations like the SCLC, etc have agendas just like everyone else. What better way to get publicity than to pick someone of notoriety to help “brand” themselves. I have long wondered about the usefulness of some of these organizations. I am not saying that they do not do good things but because times have changed and they have not adjusted their charters accordingly, they are stagnant and have to be opportunistic. It is sad that with all of the black professionals (i.e. doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc), we choose to put athletes on a pedestal. Hell, we have a strong, black presidential candidate, why not honor him at their national conventions? They might say that they do not have political agendas, but what is an organization that doesn’t? Single parenting is not the real issue, because I was raised in a time when it was just as easy for a mother to instill values in the children as it was for the father. A single mother should not blame an absent father or society for the upbringing of their child(ren), whether black, white, hispanic or otherwise. The root cause is the watering down of the moral and values in our society today. We are too accomodating of everyone’s opinions and lifestyles in this country to stand for anything. The United States are not as united as we used to be. In many cases, the country can be divided up into many little countries based on the moral differences you may find as you travel from region to region or even state to state. Again, I enjoyed reading your article and it merely amplifies statements made by Dr. Bill Cosby in several public forums concerning the state of the black community.
By BK
August 9, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
Big problem with the focus of the column: let’s do the math. What the stats quoted really say is that of every 100 American births, 31 are to unmarrieds. Of those 31, 7 are Black, 4 Hispanic, and the remaining 20 are white. Yes it’s a problem; it’s a very big and serious problem; but it is an American problem, not just a Black problem, or just a challenge for BLACK “leaders.” Where are the voices of America’s “leaders” on this issue? You’re right on one point - the silence is deafening - from ALL quarters.
By BornSouthern-NOT redneck
August 9, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this
I agree with Wooten on this topic. I worked over 30 years and every black female in my office was either a single (never married)mother with at least two children or had been a single unmarried mother and had gotten married and had more children. Most often these women had their first when they were teenagers. In fact one was 29 years old had 5 kids, 4 different fathers, lived with the 4th father of the last two children. One child was on disability; the family received Medicaid (don’t know how). Missed work more often than not. Should have been fired, but wasn’t. While I understand there are unmarried whites with children … the statistics speak for themselves. I truly believe this breakdown in our society is a black mentality and has had a negative effect on whites. It is far too easy to divert one’s attention away from the topic by pointing out other wrongs . . white meth … Iraq war. Why don’t you stay focused on the issue that Wooten raises. If you want to read an opinion about the Iraq war why don’t you read Cynthia Tucker’s recent opinion.