Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

July 28, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

You and I are in complete agreement on this issue. The emasculation of the role of fatherhood (not to be confused with the procreative act of becoming a father) is destroying our society as surely and as naturally as a cancer insidiously destroys an organ, and organ system, and finally a body.

Now don’t get me wrong. Throughout our history there have been countless thousands of mothers, who have managed to raise happy, healthy, productive, and successful children on their own, while working, both as the bread winner and the nurturer. However, the preponderance of them will tell you that having a positive, contributing father around would have made the task a lot better. Furthermore, in many of these cases, while the mother has borne the burden of the situation there have been grandfathers, brothers, uncles, or other male relatives or friends who have provide the positive, nurturing male influence needed by children.

I am feministic. That is to say that I support most (though not all) of the feminist agenda. I have always supported the notion that women should enjoy the same rights, privileges, and protections under the law that men do. Further, I am in favor of women being able to pursue happiness in any fashion, just as a man might pursue it. Still further, with one exception (physical combat in war), I am in favor of women pursuing any vocation, profession, job, activity, or interest unimpeded.

That being said I am not feministic to the exclusion of the male influence. I believe, very strongly that children need a strong, positive, nurturing, and stabling male influence. While the male influence does not have to be the dominate influence, it surely needs to on an equal basis with the female sphere of concern.

While the role of women has changed in American society over the past 50 years or so, the role of men has changed correspondingly. I am not the man my father was, and my wife is the beneficiary. My son-in-law is not the man that I and his father are, and my daughter is better off because of it. Unfortunately, society has not paid as much attention to the metamorphosis in men as it has to the changing role of women.

There are some real challenges for men in the post-modern world. Ever wonder why road rage has become such a growing phenomena? Nowadays, only in contact sporting events and NASCAR races is the expression of the results of natural testosterone acceptable. The highways are about as close as many of us are going to come to either of those venues!

As a result of the change in society’s expectations of male behavior, a lot of younger men are becoming pseudo-effeminate. That is to say that they are NOT gay, but they are not masculine in any traditional sense of the word. As a consequence, many males do not know how to be good fathers. They do not understand how to positively nurture and contribute to their children in any other manner than a quasi-mothering role.

Quite honestly, if I were a twenty-something father or (God help us) a teenage father, I doubt that I would have any idea how to help raise a child these days. I would either be a poor counterfeit of Mr. Mom, a Hip-Hop macho man, or a dip-using, boot-wearing, Bubba who leaves the kids to “the old lady.”

Ward Cleaver, where are you?

By catlady

July 28, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

Children need not just both parents but both parents who are active parents, invested in their families, not involved with drugs, and willing to work hard and make sacrifices. Right now we are missing those qualities in many of the people having children, and one way the government can truly help is to invest money in programs that reinforce and even demand those attitudes and behaviors, rather than money give-aways that only reinforce single parenthood, absent fathers, and lack of responsible decision-making.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Why do I get the feeling that Wooten had an ant farm as a kid?

Every ant pulled his share! No ant was allowed to be an exception. There was order. Binding traditional social contracts. and no food stamps.

Some journalists see our society as it is and write, “Why bother?”…Jim Wooten sees our society as an allegory about the ant and the grasshopper and writes, “for Iraqis, ALL! But not one penny for disenfranchized American children. If we help our helpless or treat our sick, then the terrorists (grasshoppers) win”.

Rasputin had an ant farm as a child, too, you know.

By Jim Wooten

July 28, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Morning all. Terrific post, Philosopher. Dead-on, catlady. Alas, Analcord, I was denied the ant farm experience as a child. Instead I spent a number of years around children without fathers in the home and saw the consequences, which for many was devastating. You can never expand government enough to fill the voids created by the absence of a mother and a father in a child’s daily life.

By WFC

July 28, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Jim and Mid-South philosopher: God bless you! Important topic and discussion. There is nothing more important in addressing the social ills of our country than dealing with the absence (physical or emotional) of a father in the American home. Some thoughts about cultural change:

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Okay, Jim Wooten, then you surely had a earth-worm commune as a child. Every worm dug his own hole for himself…… no exceptions….(sorry)

The human condition is imperfect, Jim. We are still little more than scared, unthinking, emotional slaves and perpetual motion machines.

As a child, you observed the destiny of others writhing in the chaos of the human lottery. (earthworm reference)

How do we empower those congenitally undeserving souls? With corporate tax cuts?

Quantum Physics proves that we have no control over our destiny. It’s random chance, and a poor chance at best. We are obligated to allocate resources for the benefit of all, not just the McRoves. (MC Rove, get it? He didn’t know what he was saying when he called himself MC Rove at that dance thing. I love it!)

The McRoves. It’s perfect.

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 28, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Gorbachev says U.S. actions brought on ‘global disarray’

The Atlanta Journal Constitution scolding the United States with the words of a man who’s country brought “local disarray” to the lives of over 100 million people, all victims of the communist enslavement and mass murder.

What, do you libs miss the good old days?

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{{{{{{{ Only a die-hard newspaper reader would spend the greater portion of a beautiful summer day sitting in an auditorium listening to journalists talk about the work they do. They started the day with editorial page editor Cynthia Tucker, who talked about how the editorial board decides what issues it will offer opinions on in what we call “institutional editorials.” Tucker talked about the expertise of AJC editorial writers and described the research they do before offering their views.-Angela Tuck AJC.}}}}}}

Research: (verb) Read the New York Times and Huffington Post, cherry pick their most anti American articles and paste them into the editorial page.

Duh.

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Using fake opinion polls to influence our criminal justice system?

{{{{{{{Poll: Cut prison time-AJC}}}}}}}}

Gee, I wonder who they asked?

By the way, which crime are we talking about, why does the AJC lead an column with that headline by itself?

Taking an opportunity to interject some liberal bias into your “news” coverage?

We all know the AJC would free all of the killers and rapists from prison, no questions asked, maybe it’s too hard for the reporters to visit their families in jail?

{{{{{An overwhelming majority of metro Atlantans polled by the Journal-Constitution believe Genarlow Wilson does not belong in prison.}}}}}}

Oh, that again.

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{{{{{{{{Former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney (Kook-Ga.) has sued The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and its parent company, Cox Enterprises, claiming the newspaper libeled her in editorials and news articles. The lawsuit also charged that bomb threats were telephoned to her office from the newspaper’s office in Cobb County last year. The lawsuit filed in Fulton County State Court focuses most of the complaints against editorial page editor Cynthia Tucker and a series of her columns.}}}}}}}

Kook fight!!

By Jim Wooten

July 28, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Analchord, we of course have control over our destiny. We may have a random chance of being born rich or poor,or with genetic dispositions to certain health conditions, but the choices we make, and are helped to make, largely determine our destiny. This is an interesting discussion going on here this morning, but unfortunately I’m on my way to the farm, so will not be able to check by in before evening.

WFC, very good insights and comments.

By catlady

July 28, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

I hate to say it, but basically it is up to us women. NOT up to us to rear children alone, but to make choices about with whom we will have children: men who have prepared themselves to be fathers and HUSBANDS. And who are willing to take action on the latter before the former. It is a question of valuing ourselves, and being unwilling to settle for a life of hardship for our children. In the best situation, bringing up a family is hard work. It takes two mature, committed, prepared parents. The government should not have to be involved in this, and should not put barriers in place that work against this through policies designed, on their face, to be “helpful”. Sometimes we have to let the chips fall where they may, with the hope that, absent a government “bail out”, folks will make better decisions. (Of course, that should work across ALL areas. Govenment bail-outs should be reserved for truly unimmaginable occurences, not things any reasonably intelligent person could have foreseen).

By Vincent

July 28, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Analchord, No one is stopping you from giving ALL of your money to these deserving children. If you feel that strongly about it, why don’t you adopt about 10 of em’ and take care of them for the rest of your life? In the mean time, all of you bleeding heart liberals can keep your hands off of my wallet.

By catlady

July 28, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

corrected post: I hate to say it, but basically it is up to us women. NOT up to us to rear children alone, but to make choices about with whom we will have children: men who have prepared themselves to be fathers and HUSBANDS. And who are willing to take action on the latter before the former. It is a question of valuing ourselves, and being unwilling to settle for a life of hardship for our children. In the best situation, bringing up a family is hard work. It takes two mature, committed, prepared parents. The government should not have to be involved in this, and should not put barriers in place that work against this through policies designed, on their face, to be “helpful”. Sometimes we have to let the chips fall where they may, with the hope that, absent THE PROMISE (ENTITLEMENT) of a government “bail out”, folks will make better decisions. (Of course, that should work across ALL areas. Government bail-outs should be reserved for truly unimmaginable occurences, not things any reasonably intelligent person could have foreseen).

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

How can Philospher be such a pedant about the diff between being feministic and a feminist, and then trip so often on the diff between an Islamic and an Islamist?

You people rail about the reality on the ground in American Families. You dont like it?

We dont care. Accept it. Americans are not familial. We abhor children. We protest more vehemently about abused dogs.

Deadbeat dads? So what? Vick? Prison!

I’ve heard enough from you conservative fascists, and weekend moralists. You would write about anything except what you have wraught to the fatherless in Iraq.

There’s only one issue left. it’s iraq. deal.

By An Individual

July 28, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

The article misses the point. People are no longer getting married because our government repeatedly proves family values are the lowest of the low priorities. Check any of the cases at the states below featured at http://www.FamilyLawCourts.com

CT: Get out of jail, win custody of your child and six weeks later participate in the sexual assault, kidnap and ultimately, death of three people.

VT: Supreme Court orders a new trial because in spite of an Obvious conflict-of-interest, a judge refused to step down. (So much for that old, stock phrase, “in the best interests of the child.”)

TN: 8 years before the Supreme Court ordered the child returned to its parents.

WA: Big time child evaluator in child custody cases commits suicide after his arrest for secretly video-taping women in his office bathroom.

Here’s the rub - many of these types of cases exist in Georgia. But will this “we love families, we’re all about family values,” newspaper cover Family Court- one court most often used by the public for the longest period of time?

No way. Absolutely not. Why? Because it’s nowhere Near as sexy as dog fights and football.

Also, because the journalistic bias is such that most reporters are blind to the fact that family court is not a “he said, she said” but dripping in conflicts-of-interest, and run for the benefit of attorneys, therapists, evaluators. All with judges acting as sales reps for all comers.

By Elton's john

July 28, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

How can you legislate fatherhood? Divorce is at an all time high in every western civilization and during the last 5 years, Viagara has been listed, (in a reference to infidelity), as the number one cause of divorce.

We have dead beat dads in this world — that’s a fact, get used to it. We have dads who know they are the fathers of children, who just plain refuse to pay for their upbringing and lay the full responsibility of said child(ren) upon the mother. And then, these same dads, go out and remarry and have MORE children and continually recycle the same behaviors over and over.

Blaming the woman, AGAIN, for a man’s choices is not only ridiculous it’s positively medieval. Trying to get the government to legislate morality sounds too much like the Taliban for my peace of mind.

Marriage/relationships are like a box of cracker jacks; you never know what you’re going to get but you’re always hoping for the best.

By jbmlaw

July 28, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Note to Analchord, conversation overheard in Iraq, one deadbeat dad to the other, “Yes, they blow up so fast.”

By 1Hit wonder

July 28, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

“Analchord” is a typical whiney boo-hooing liberal. This genius doesn’t want to accept the fact that people CAN provide for themselves and don’t need his/her help or the help of his/her beloved government. After all, what would society need socialist liberalism for if society was self-sustaining and didn’t need “help?”

“Quantum Physics proves that we have no control over our destiny.”

That is perhaps the most ridiculous comment I have ever read in my entire life. If one chooses to sit on one’s s$$ and not better himself while someone else goes to night school, then it’s just natural law between the two.

Where do people learn to think like this? Is it learned monkey-see behavior from watching someone else or are they taught it?

• Never, EVER trust a psuedo-intellectual liberal moonbat.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Bravo, Elton, Viagra is the perfect topic-enhancing subject-shift. Viagra. Now, I’m 56. Mr. Happy can no longer can get angry, and I refuse to take Viagra. In a way, that is control, but actually it’s more of a default. My wife has a medical problem which precludes her from sex, so the only thing I contracted from her was restless leg syndrome and obesity.

I like being celibate. I have sexual thoughts, but they dont lead to anything, so they’re more like sexual musings which I totally shrug off and say….. “ew”.

I dont trust others to have taken precautions, or to have developed safe practices, so I regret nothing.

You control freaks can enjoy the consequences of your Miller Time choices. In college, and in the years before AIDS or the new invincible STDs, if it weren’t for the free clinic, most of our Mr Happy’s would have fallen off. (and that was just during freshman pledge week, you should see what happened when we were sophmores!)

My fellow baby boomers: Fred Thompson’s wife sure is pretty. Why cant you have a woman like that? Get control. Get a babe. Contract an incurable STD. There’s your control.

You have no control over nothin’, no how, no way.

‘muff said.

By DaPoet

July 28, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten…

As a child and as an adult I watched my mother take full advantage of no fault divorce and drive out not just my father but many of my stepfathers out of her marriages…Simply because she wanted to wear the pants in the family and when she couldn’t win complete control, just as the average woman who divorces today, she used the family court system to drive those recaltricent men out of our lives…

For over twenty years now I have studied out the problems related to single parent families and have clearly observed how both liberals and conservatives…Have intentionally with malice and forethought united together to not only drive fathers out of their childrens lives but to scapegoat these very same fathers for their own selfish political adgenda as well as to make the average father a financial slave to the mother of his children…

Only to have pundits and talking heads like yourself along with the feminists who know better blame these very same fathers who have been driven out of their childrens lives for the consequences of their own choices…

As for myself I have managed to stay married for twenty-five years and counting and because of my own experience will never recommend marriage to any of the men with whom I come in contact…Indeed I have managed to teach my own son that he would be far better off to pursue his own dreams and to strickly avoid any and all intimate relationships with those of the feminine gender…The outrageous, selfish and out of control behaviour of my wife, my own mother and many other female relatives have only served to bolster my teaching…So that at twenty-three my son has absolutely no interest in pursuing any type of relationship with a fem fatale and I couldn’t be more pleased…

I highly recommend that you do some proper research and start writing about the real reasons so many children end up in single parent homes…Instead of blaming out of hand the fathers who have intentionally been driven out of their homes and the lives of their children…

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Yes, Jim and many others have preached nice little sermons on how to raise children. I agree with them on the thoughts of two parent families. How to bring about a two family cure is something else. How do you get people to be good parents?

As Catlady said in so many words, why do intelligent people make such bad decisions that would hurt the future of their children? Key word here is intelligence. Everybody does not have a great degree of it.

Does the teenage girl swooning over a handsome older guy really think about the future of children when this guy pushes her to “enjoy her sexuality” with him? I think not.

Do women who “take up” with men who wander in and out of their lives really worry about their future children or sex information such as STDs and condoms etc.? Obviously not. Neither does the man. Refer to my paragraph two.

The age of morality and ethics seems to have passed. The importance of families, religion, and education has been replaced with self satisfaction and freedom in all things.

The lack of concerned parents, one or two, runs throughout this picture. The government becomes the savior as parents fail in their duties. But our government was never set up to take over the duties of parents. We are not communists.

It will not be government that makes the change of heart for the good of our children. It will be in the hearts and minds of our society. How to bring that about, I am not sure.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

A genius? I’m a genuine genius? Gosh, folks, I dont know what to say….

“….The square root of hypotenus of any isosceles triangle is inversely proportional to the sum of the square of the opposing sides…”

Wow! I did it! You’re right, kind sir, I AM a genetically genial genius of the gentry. (You may genuflect before my genitalia, oh cogent gent.)

By TW

July 28, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Perhaps we should send the ‘deadbeat dads’ to the same people we have reprogramming the homosexuals???? That always seems to work real well.

By Lee

July 28, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Oh, the irony….

Government institutes welfare programs, which provide financial aid to women to have children out of wedlock. And then they act surprised when the illegitimacy rates skyrocket.

For decades, feminists have downplayed the role of the man in the family, and now divorce is at an all time high with single parenthood becoming the norm.

Congress passes laws which discriminate against males in the workforce, and we then wonder why we see a decrease in the number of men who are the head of the household.

Our politicians spend our country’s treasure on foreign aid and empire building, which results in a tax burden requiring that both parents have to work, and then we decry the loss of family values.

Articles have been written that say a woman looking for a mate will chose a man that reminds her of dear old dad. Kinda hard to do when dad is not in the picture. (or when mom’s on step-dad #3)

For centuries, there was a natural order to things. It’s only been the last 40 years or so that our society has screwed things up. Sadly, when I go out to the mall and see some of these misfits walking around with tatoos, piercings, and pants around the knees, I just don’t see things getting back on track anytime soon.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Wooten’s article today is a smoke screen for the new farm subsidy bill. A single farmer can get $60K in subsidy dough. ( $614 billion over ten years)

Does your farm collect a subsidy, Mr. Wooten? The readers of the AJC would like to know. Freedom of sinformation and all…..

Sixty Grand would sure make for nice miller time fridays during the year, while the congenitally disenfranchised suffer the, how did you describe it, “devastating consequences”.

Oh, this isn’t fair, he’s not here. He’s at his (un)subsidized farm.

I take it back about humans having no control. You CAN have control but only by cheating others and employing fraud. Look at this farm bill. It’s filled with criminal graft, fraud, and corruption beyond any comprehension.

By Elton's john

July 28, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

The misogynistic stance of “DaPoet” makes a really revelant point: If we make the very thought of male/female coital bliss repulsive, and raise an all “female hating” society, why in a few decades we won’t have to worry anymore about “fathers in homes” because we won’t have any children!! We might even have a totally homosexual nation.

Bravo Mr. DaPoet!!! Blame the female for everything, raise another carbon copy of you times 200000, and voila, our problems are solved.

One begs to wonder however how “happily married” Mrs. DaPoet really is though.

By Elton's john

July 28, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

The misogynistic stance of “DaPoet” makes a really revelant point: If we make the very thought of male/female coital bliss repulsive, and raise an all “female hating” society, why in a few decades we won’t have to worry anymore about “fathers in homes” because we won’t have any children!! We might even have a totally homosexual nation.

Bravo Mr. DaPoet!!! Blame the female for everything, raise another carbon copy of you times 200000, and voila, our problems are solved.

One begs to wonder however how “happily married” Mrs. DaPoet really is though.

By Elton's john

July 28, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Being that I am a white male over 40, which laws were passed by congress that discrimianted against me in the workforce? And How does that affect men in the household in general? Please explain.

By Bartfly

July 28, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

I take it back about humans having no control. You CAN have control but only by cheating others and employing fraud.

I concur. By cheating others out of their hard earned dollars with unfair progressive tax rates for the sake of the less fortunate through income redistribution; by totally destroying a health care enterprise and replacing it with a government institution and threaten jail to those who look for other health care outlets; by removing a chunk of a paycheck for a failed government enterprise known as social security; by removing guns from private citizens; by punishing corporations for making money; by deploying government fairness regulations in private media outlets like talk radio and television; by controlling the thought of children in public schools; by telling auto companies what size vehicles they will manufacture and sell.

Yes, that’s control with a big stick, and that’s what our beloved left wing friends want for this nation; oh, and for all Christian conservatives to be jailed and to release all criminals..I forgot about that one. Control indeed..like Stalin.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

More drivel for the ignorant base.

Against abortion and against taking care of poor, sick children.

Once again, you can’t have it both ways idiots.

Could you imagine if President Clinton cut and run from OBL after promising to get them and invade Iraq.

Oh, the gop would be screaming howling, wag the dog.

Thousands of subpoenas, thousands of hearings, thousands of outraged op eds.

Where is this this same outrage for w?

Fair and balanced my a=ss.

Geez.

By @@

July 28, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Oh lawdy Jim, those numbers are disheartening. Children our greatest natural resource are being squandered in the pursuit of self-interest.

Many on the far-left are, to this day, in pursuit of a socialist ideology which has proven time and time again, to be unable to sustain itself over time.

Oddly enough the pursuit of a utopian society began during biblical times initiated by the Essenes and Jesus. In deference to the anti-religionists here I’ll give Jesus the title of “World’s Greatest Philosopher”. Protesting Roman domination, the Essenes retreated to the mountains to live a communal and ascetic way of life. Jesus promoted a communal life as opposed to egoistic individualism. He preached brotherhood between men and women. A joint effort that would serve the family, not the individual.

Somewhere along the way, “ordinary people” took “ordinary” liberties with his message and put themselves smack dab in the middle of his intended pursuit.

Throughout history there have been feminist movements, all splitting off, one from the other until we have what we have today.

Being a casual student of philosophy and a graduated student of sociology, I’m always intrigued by where we were…where we are…and where we’re going. If you research the utopian movements, and there have been many; we end up derailed somewhere between Charles Fourier’s sexual “utopia” and the Saint-Simonians’ who criticized the church for it’s condemnation of all things carnal and material. Now granted, the Simonians movement existed in France, but don’t we Americans look to France for our “enlightenment” on all things good and progressive.

Anyway, I’ll move “forward” with my studies. Many women jumped on the “Saintly” Simonian bandwagon declaring that “We shall love without hypocrisy and laugh about prejudices” producing children without the benefit of marriage.

All went well until major unemployment in France, where these “Saintly” Simonians were forced to humiliate themselves by begging food for their children from wealthy Saint-Simonian men.

Whoops, did I fail to mention that men, too were eager to jump on the “Saintly” Simonians. Why not…it was afterall…”free love”…

and Jim, it’s important to note that all of the feminist movements throughout modern history have promoted abortion. ‘Ya gotta love it, right?

By The captain

July 28, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Way to go Jim. We conservatives must stand up to what’s happing to our society. These children must realize that they are better off with two parents. And if their parents fail to live up to that, they must be the one to suffer for that. If we don’t start holding these kids responsible for their parents actions, who will? Every time I see a sick kid in poverty I think “good maybe now they will learn the errors of their parents ways”. It’s the only way we can stop the cycle of parentless kids. By not helping them now, we are instilling a non-dependent attitude in them at an early age, so when they grow up I’m sure they will be in a better position to make the responsible decision about raising their kids. Or if their parents really fail, and they don’t get to grow up, we will at the least have removed these terrible family lines from our society.

By the captain

July 28, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Way to go Jim. We conservatives must stand up to what’s happing to our society. These children must realize that they are better off with two parents. And if their parents fail to live up to that, they must be the one to suffer for that. If we don’t start holding these kids responsible for their parents actions, who will? Every time I see a sick kid in poverty I think “good maybe now they will learn the errors of their parents ways”. It’s the only way we can stop the cycle of parentless kids. By not helping them now, we are instilling a non-dependent attitude in them at an early age, so when they grow up I’m sure they will be in a better position to make the responsible decision about raising their kids. Or if their parents really fail, and they don’t get to grow up, we will at the least have removed these terrible family lines from our society.

By The YouTube Debate Snowman

July 28, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Why are the GOP afraid of me? How are they going to fight AL Qaeda if they are scared of a snowman?

By Bartly

July 28, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

An 11 year old entrepreneur has a lemonade stand to raise money for a camping trip and to buy his mother a present. A 17 year old punk robs him. One will likely be a future successful Conservative, the other most likely a pathetic Dembulb liberal who will blame everyone else for his own failures, that is if he manages to stay out of jail. Cheating others indeed.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

The YouTube Debate Snowman,

Good point.

The gop are cowards who cut and run from OBL, accountability and the YouTube debate.

I think voting Dem to fight OBL instead of cutting and running is a no brainer.

The Dems are not scared of you.

Geez.

By Jackie

July 28, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten argues the government can not take the place of an active, involved father in the life of their children. He furthers his thesis by offering anecdotal information as to his belief the government does not need to offer any assistance to any of those families without the man being in the family. Think about what is being said here: the man has to work and support his family; if he does not have a level of education to be employed productively, then he or his family should not expect to move into a position to help the humans that he is responsible for. For those of us that pay the slightest attention to such matters, there are not jobs being produced to support the number of college grads every year - approximately 2 million and the number of blue collar jobs are being moved leaving only “Wal-Mart” jobs. These same folks that argue against government intervention on behalf of families fully support Wal-Mart paying wages less than $10 per hour on a 39 hour work week.
These same folks jump up and down against an increase in the minimum wage, arguing the private sector will settle at a point where everyone can be employed at a living wage. There arguments are fallacious and condescending. What wonderful human beings!!!!!

By @@

July 28, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Good grief! Political Foreskin a/k/a Analchord is a smelly cheese that has slipped from his cracker today.

Are you sure you’rr male AChord? You sound more like some hysterical woman who bought a “pig in a poke”, and the consequences of your actions have rendered you hope errr helpless.

Either that or you’re a man just “limping” along on the other two “wobbly legs”.

Either way…”GET A GRIP” and there won’t be any “unintendeds”.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Hillary in 08.

We have a country to save and a world to convince.

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 28, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{By getalife July 28, 2007 12:24 PM The gop are cowards who cut and run from OBL, accountability and the YouTube debate.}}}}}}

The consensus among thinking normal people was that the YouTube debates were basically infantile and erased what little seriousness and credibility the libs ever had.

Now you are expecting The Men to fall in that same trap?

Really, the dude’s AR15 is his “baby?”

Like that wasn’t staged.

So I guess this means you democrats have located your “courage” and are going to accept Fox’s debate invitation?

Yeah, right.

The libs facing up to serious non softball questions about their cowardice.

Hahaha.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Iraqi leader tells Bush: Get Gen Petraeus out

Ouch, well we have picked sides with the Sunnis and are making billion dollar arms deals with them.

Looks like the Iraq government and Iran will arm the Shiites.

Heck of a job w.

Geez.

By JD

July 28, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

When Liberals have no valid point they invoke epithets such as racist, bigot or xenophobe or as in the topic today the standard “poor, sick children”.

There are any number of private sector groups who spend every day attempting to see to the needs of children and adults who are in desperate circumstances.

The big difference is the Libs see government as the answer and conservatives see government as the problem. As an example of the folly of welfare we have DaPoet making the argument for us.

DaPoet grew up with a dysfunctional mother and repeated his childhood when he married “a girl just like the girl that married dear old dad”. His answer is to warp his son. Typical Liberal thought processes.

DaPoet proves the conservative position that creating a welfare safety net for people who make bad decisions only then creates a “next generation” of welfare dependents. That has always been the plan of liberals and Democrats and their plan has succeeded. Soon there will be more “non-producers” in the US than “producers”, all created by the ME FIRST Democrats.

Hasnolife, the leader of the warped left on this blog, will argue that the conservatives are the ME FIRST party but the truth is the Democrats have sold our nation down the drain with their tax redistribution plans and welfare state. All for one and only one reason, to create a dependent class to vote them into power in Washington.

By @@

July 28, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

That’s much better Analchord; short and to the point.

You are a Hillary (It takes a Village) Idiot. Send in your job application today for noone is more qualified than YOU.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Duh,

The AR 15 guy was a wingnut for fair and balance.

I thought the YouTube debate was very cool but the gop want Fox opinion yes men to ask the questions. They can’t face the people. Cowards, pure and simple.

I see lazy Fred’s wife is making an open joke of his campaign.

She looks good but trying to be Hillary.

Maybe dick will run for you idiots.

Geez, what a gop mess.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

The Juice is now only one homerun away from the record.

(high fives, flash for beads, beer hat refills, impromtu make out sessions)

Yes, I am a pop-culture guru. think of me as the Timothy Leary of Blogging.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Does anyone really take Fred Thompson’s campaign seriously? Every photo of him and his wife together looks like thumbnail #1 of a goat porn website.

Nothing can stop the hill.

Hillary in ‘08. We’ve got a world to save, and a country to convict.

By The captain

July 28, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

JD I couldn’t agree with you more “DaPoet proves the conservative position that creating a welfare safety net for people who make bad decisions only then creates a “next generation” of welfare dependents” That is exactly the problem liberal can’t understand. By removing the safety net from these lazy people and making them compete in the marketplace, we can remove the next generation from welfare. The parents will either learn to work for they and their children’s survival, or the market will remove the next generation all together.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Analchord,

Duh is a lazy Fred fan.

Check these pics out

Kind of creepy but Fred does look happy.

By Captain Freedom

July 28, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

The Captain loves the photos of Frederick of Hollywood and his not-Hilary trophy bride. He especially loves the way NotHilary displays her lady humps, aka the Thompson Twins…high and proud, with just the right amount of cleavage.

By the way, the Captain has it on authority the Hollywood Fred calls the left orb Law and the right hump Order.

Thanks, the Captain will be here all week. Tip your wingnut.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Same ol’ getalife,

Never saw a conservative he couldn’t hate.

Read the Democratic Party’s so called plank. DEMOCRATS WANT TO RUN THE MILITARY. Who needs generals. Pelosi & Reid are ready. It is a joke. Scatter a few American troops around Iraq. If anything happens, I suppose they will run tell someone as there won’t be enough American troops to fight.

Democrats call this deployment. They gave up cut’n’run for deployment. Now it is cut ‘em up and let terrorists run Iraq. That’s a real surenuf Democratic “plank”. I think a plank has already hit Democrats in the head.

By JD

July 28, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Captain,

I do not feel the market will remove the next generation but the private sector groups do not simply hand out money and send the people on their way.

An effort is made to help them become self-sufficient, to see the benefit of providing for yourself and to find a job and clean, affordable housing.

A dose of self respect and the ability to make one’s own way will help eliminate the other bad decisions in their lives. The private groups give more than money and housing; they provide guidance toward taking pride in your personal successes rather than rewarding the mistakes.

All of those positive elements serve to replace the welfare dependency.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Lets keep the jokes coming (ignore dusty downer) with:

Saturday cartoons

By catlady

July 28, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Elton’s John: *We have dead beat dads in this world — that’s a fact, get used to it. We have dads who know they are the fathers of children, who just plain refuse to pay for their upbringing and lay the full responsibility of said child(ren) upon the mother. And then, these same dads, go out and remarry and have MORE children and continually recycle the same behaviors over and over.

Blaming the woman, AGAIN, for a man’s choices is not only ridiculous it’s positively medieval. *

While I agree with your assessment of men who spread their pollen from flower to flower, I differ from you on a large part of the problem: We women who PUT UP (and PUT OUT) with it.

It seems like to be the unwillingness to think and plan ahead is a large measure of the problem. Deferring child-bearing until educated and a stable mate is found should be at the top of every woman’s list. I think for the last 40 years or so we have made it too easy not to do this. In yesteryear, women may have been having sex outside of marriage to a stable partner, but they thought long and hard before having a baby in that situation, or depending on others ( other than family) to “remedy” their situation. There is no excuse at this time for unintended pregnancies in the US. There is no excuse for lack of education in the US. At some point we women have to refuse to play this game of being the victim, and at some point our governmental policies have to throw the ball back in the court of the family, whether that be a young woman’s parents or herself, to take care of her needs if she makes a poor decision. The men involved must also be held accountable, even if that means some pretty draconian measures. These things ARE decisions, not “accidents”.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Snaps 4 Catlady!

By getalife

July 28, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

“Cheney always stands on the Republican side. So I walked over and thought maybe he was being shy.
I said, Dick, come on over and talk to the Democrats too. We won’t bite you. He reacted as has been reported).
The irony is that the Republican Senators who were there were the ones who told the press about it.
I didn’t say anything to anyone about it. I think this is the first time I’ve publicly stated what happened.”
—Sen. Patrick Leahy, about Cheney’s “Go fu-ck yourself” incident in the Senate

“Leahy came over and put his arm around me. And he didn’t kiss me but it was close to it.
So I flashed and I told him - I dropped the F-bomb on him…It was heartfelt.”
— Dick Cheney, proud of his famous “Go fu-ck yourself” diplomacy.

Geez.

By The captain

July 28, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

JD

But won’t that just replace welfare dependency, with dependency on private groups? I mean if a child learns that someone other than their parents will help them, then they will assume that someone will help their kids even if it is a private group?

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Aw getalife

I gave you a joke, “The Democratic Plank”. Thought you appreciated the rediculous.

Anyway, I checked out the cartoons but the first thing I saw was the smiling face of John Kerry. He’s been a joke for years. Thanks anyway but I had already seen the liberal loser cartoons, the”left overs” of yesterday.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

For Your Eyes Only: Operation Falafel

By Jackie

July 28, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

@Dusty

You are very perceptive in that you too have recognized the fact that those military professionals that have courage enough to speak out have said the US Army is broken. There are zero complete brigades of the 82nd Airborne still stationed @Ft. Bragg.
As you are aware, the 82nd and 101st are always on a 24 hour notice to react to crisis throughout the world. The Dems are not trying to run the military, just get Dubya to understand there has to be other means and methods to protect our national interest other than Iraq. You say the Dems gave up cut-and-run, yet, you fail to see the professional military are speaking openly of getting out Iraq no later than Spring ‘08. Seems strange that these military professionals are trying to cut-and-run, doesn’t it?

By JD

July 28, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Captain,

No, because the gruops with which I am most familiar do not give only money - they teach the parents to support themselves, provide short-term housing and support with the agreed upon caveat that the help is there to let them become self-sufficient.

Job counseling is provided, along with assistance in the application process, the search and then day care while the parents are working.

Once the parents are established they are able to go out on their own and provide for their family. The children are now exposed to parents who support the family without government welfare and are now more likely to grow and provide for themselves. The parents also recommend others who were in similar situations and the program grows.

All funded through donations and corporate contributions of money and the physical goods needed.

I have seen all of this in action so I know the system is successful.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

The Dems listen to the Generals w did not listen to.

Betrayus was the only one for the escalation.

Its political and the Iraqi government has turned against us.

Did you read my 12:59 dusty downer?

Since we are arming the Sunnis, if you really supported the troops, you would them out of that civil war.

But you don’t support the troops. You support the worst leadership ever.

Pathetic as usual but to be expected from you and your friends.

Justy another day with dusty downer.

Geez.

By Deranged squared.

July 28, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

I thought the YouTube debate was very cool but the gop want Fox opinion yes men to ask the questions.

That’s funny. Republicans have the guts to go on MSNBC and get questioned by those far right-wingers like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann (Keith btw is such a pu$$y he won’t debate anyone on his own show). Democrats run like pu$$ies when FoxNews wanted to hold a debate for them. Questions on the Youtube debate were overwhelmingly left wing kissing and Kotex soft.

Liberals are going after FoxNews advertisers. I see no good reason why these quacks on the left deserve ANY respect, let alone recognition. Pooh on them all, the fascists. Tolerant of diversity right up to ideology, and then the line is drawn. this nation is in serious trouble.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Dear Jackie @2:10,

I have realized from your previous posts that you are a born again liberal. That means you have never missed even the smallest flaw in government to make it into a major fallacy of the Bush Administration.

If you agree with the Democratic plank I am sure you are ready for Pelosi and Reid to take over the military. A plank is what you stand for and what your intentions are.

General Petraeus is the top general in Iraq, approved by Congress, and is directing the “surge” and is counting on progress. I believe the last words we will ever hear from General Petraeus is we must “cut’n’run”.

All troops want to get home. Of course. That does not mean they want to leave before winning. Cut-n-run is simply a liberal dream that wishes us to lose in order to demean President Bush. Don’t start your celebrations yet.

By @@

July 28, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

catlady:

Excellent insight on the topic. Couple it with JD’s positive reenforcement technique and the only necessity left is an “aspirin held firmly between the knees” of every woman.

Headache alleviated.

The “power” has always belonged to women. Somewhere along the way we let men convince us otherwise.:)

By getalife

July 28, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Deranged tripled,

Your name fits really well.

“this nation is in serious trouble.”

I agree.

The gop and the wingnuts have destroyed this country.

They are cowards who will never admit mistakes (to learn from them), man up to accountability or debate a You Tube snowman, for goodmess sakes.

Cut and run from OBL and play the fear card for all the right wing wu-ssies to cower under their beds. Girly men.

These failed Americans have no spine and have lost their so called “family values and morals”.

Diaper wearing perverts.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Good one @@,2:46

Just hope those aspirins are not the children’s small size.

There’s a study from the University Of Washington entitled “The Impact of child support Enforcement Policy on Non-Marital Child Bearing.”

It seems that states that ENFORCE the laws that make non-married fathers pay child support get around 20% reduction in the birthrate of children without legal fathers. So law enforcement can help some. Sounds like your aspirin might be more effective. You can’t beat 100%!

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Snips 4 Getalife!

By @@

July 28, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

This question may be too personal, but do you ever date women who aren’t “paid” to take their clothes off?

By Jackie

July 28, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

The Dubya administration is a fallacy within itself. Using the word liberal is not intimidating to me or my philosophy, therefore, feel free to try and use the word as a pejorative, it does not work for me. You contend that I am ready for Pelosi and Reid to take over the military. That statement is nonsensical. They are members of Congress and can not be the Commander-In-Chief. You say that Gen. Petraeus’s last words will be “cut-n-run” I think your intention was to say he will not utter the words “cut-n-run>” Of course not, but, he has said the troops need to begin withdrawing and bring the total number of troops to less than 100,000; he and other military professionals at the General level have said the Army and Marines are broken; the equipment that we have in Iraq needs over $1 Billion worth of repairs; approximately 70% of our ground equipment is in Iraq. What is it that you perceive I want us to lose? If you could tell me who the “enemy” happens to be, then there could be a more comprehensive decision-making process about this illegal war. Would you say that the 70% of the people that oppose this war are liberal?; that 55% of the Repubs that oppose the Iraq war are liberal: the 65% of the Americans that disapprove of Dubya are all liberals? What arguments do the neo-cons have except to use empty words like “cut-n-run” and “liberal?” Could you give me a definition of these terms?

By Deranged squared.

July 28, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Waste a life,

I’m glad you agree this nation is in trouble. People like you want no diversity in ideology. If someone doesn’t think like you, then said someone should be locked up and shunned from society. Don’t pu$$yfoot around, lib. Spit it out. If you are a liberal, you are a failed American because you can only look to the government for your solutions to the ills of real life. Screw you, wasted hemorrhoid.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

@@,

That is too personal but I will answer.

I have dated many women who “aren’t “paid” to take their clothes off?”

Of course, the ones who were paid “paid” to take their clothes off were a whole lot of trouble but a whole lot of fun.

You said ,”The “power” has always belonged to women. Somewhere along the way we let men convince us otherwise,”

You have a chance to vote for the most powerful position in this country but you will vote for a white, rich man.

Nice rhetoric.

Geez.

By Deranged squared.

July 28, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Waste a life,

The gop and the wingnuts have destroyed this country.

I don’t know what nation you live in, but in America where I live, my nation is so destroyed that there are hundreds of thousands of unfilled skilled labor jobs that nobody can fill due to economic growth. I also have and make more money than I ever have in my entire life through 6 presidents. Perhaps you gargoyles on the left need to adjust with the times. Then again, that’s where you want the government to step in - for your own failures in life. Pathetic.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

I just realized that nobody in the world can ever have sex again. It’s just too risky.

So what if you’re married. Wives cheat. Where is your wife’s free time? Think. So what if you go to church together. That’s probably the window of time you’re most vulnerable, when you would least expect an affair to occur.

Think. The Mass ends. You’re the first one out, in the car, flipping people off who dare block your rush to the donut shop where you simply MUST be first in line. Now, your wife is still lolly-gagging in church then, (that’s why you take two cars, remember? who thought of that? you did, idiot), the kids are going directly to sunday school, and what is your wife doing while you get the donuts….Oh yeah, she helps the organist collect the hymnals…and then she has an hour to kill while the kids are in sunday school…..”Twelve jelly donuts, Please……now what was I thinking about……I love donuts. Jelly donuts……time to eat the donuts….time to…time to kill my wife!!!!”

No, you just cant have sex anymore. It’s just too risky. The life you save may be your wife’s.

By @@

July 28, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

No doubt that when you have to “pay to play” it’s less likely that you’re gonna pull a chair up to the “pokeher” table.

Child aspirin…81mg. That’s, at least closer to 100.

Child support laws are great, but many women don’t know the avenues available to pursue it. I’ve heard of fathers who won’t work so they don’t have to pay. Now THAT’S spiteful.

What happens if they don’t pay? Do they receive jail time? If they do, you and I are paying for their three hots and a cot as well as the basic needs of THEIR unwanted offspring.

I’m all for Bush’s faith-based initiatives programs like JD referred to but then we have those who are so afraid of a spiritual influence that they oppose even that approach.

Spirtualism vs individualism vs collectivism vs conservatism vs liberalism vs politicism.

All ^^^ those “isms” and the little ones have no say.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Deranged and losing it,

Don’t have a melt down man. Labels are for losers but if you must, label me as a mainstream majority American populist who calls them like I see them.

Common sense solutions to the wingnut insanity.

The gop has lost all trust with the American people and the world.

They want business as usual, the Dems want change in direction.

The choice is like night and day.

Watch the debates to prove this statement.

Now kindly GFY loser.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Jackie,

I have little time to waste on people who say they do not know the meaning of “cut-n-run” or “liberal” as applied to today’s politics. If you are that far from reality, explanations will not help.

You are just as liberal as they come and the Democratic Party is the closest thing to your “philosophy”. Playing this “above it all” does not speak as loud as your opinions. You don’t like Bush. You don’t like this war or any other war (who does?).

You don’t seem to realize that terrorists do not hold to your ideals and would rather have us dead than spouting benigh opinions.

Bush was wise enough to look in the future and work against terrorists intentions against America. He wants to stop them where they are, not here.

Wars are never “perfect” and this one is not either. Those who cannot perservere want to retreat or call it “cut’n’run”. Right now, that is also the definition of liberal.

By @@

July 28, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Are there any “poor” people campaigning for President? I think not.

Race, gender or ethnicity isn’t relevant when voting. Policy issues are. I’ve come to my conservative position over the years because I view the Democratic Party as the true racists in this country. They hide it behind their “good intentions” that have NOT brought about the progress they promised to minorities.

Michael Steele? I’d definitely consider voting for him if he ever ran. An honest assessment and a positive outlook goes a long way in convincing me.

The Neo-Malt Democrats are bummers…both literally and figuratively.

By jbmlaw

July 28, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Dear Jackie @ 3:04, you ask our friend Dusty for definitions of “cut and run” and “liberal.” I cannot speak for her interpretations, but if you simply seek definitions, I have ‘em.

“cut and run” is the Democrat policy advocating defeat for American forces attempting to clean out the snake pit of terrorists roaming throughout the middle east. While there are intelligent Democrats who understand the potential value of extinguishing the “evil doers” in that part of the world, they are silenced by their party’s majority, which is more concerned with snatching defeat from the jaws of President Bush’s elimination of one sanctuary. Unlike conservatives, the Democrats are intellectually incapable of engaging a 50 year war against the world’s only remaining ideology hostile to freedom. The reason for the latter is that Democrats have no emotional investment in individual freedom.

Closely related to the foregoing, “liberal” is one of several terms used to describe the “collectivists” in America. All terms used to describe the collectivists - “socialist”, “progressive,” “liberal” - have fallen into the category of epithet, such that whenever a conservative calls a collectivist by one of those terms, the immediate reaction is shock and anguish. The problem, of course, is the underlying ideology, which is anathema to free people.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

I get @@,

You will not vote for a woman President.

What are the con postions?

In the debates, it the same as w.

Well, Willard, Vick’s biggest fan, wants to double Gitmo but other than that, it is stay the course.

By Deranged squared.

July 28, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Waste a life,

You don’t have to worry about me. I am set for life. But thanks for your concern, fascist liberal. I don’t need you or your beloved government.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Sorry you are broke deranged.

Get a job loser.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

lib·er·al(lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Cons, w.

Change in direction vs stay the course.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Schnapps 4 Getalife!

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Ever notice how the 3 Hugh Heffner “Girl Next Door” co-stars, who are also his trimbos, dont even attempt to hide their disgust when they embrace him? I’ve never seen a more visceral display of the fear of old-people cooties in my life.

Either Hugh doesn’t watch the show, or he’s given up on sex like I have, and simply doesn’t care. He just wants us to THINK he’s honeymooning in Viagra Balls.

Either way it’s pathetic. What a ridiculous man.

By Deranged squared.

July 28, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Waste a life, if I didn’t have a job, I’d need your beloved government assistance like so many of your useless ilk on the left, wouldn’t I you pathetic cretin fascist liberal? I don’t need definitions defined of liberalism. I just need observations. I don’t like what I see, and I don’t like what you or your pathetic cretins stand for. If you don’t like what I say, then too damned bad. Deal with it, fascist liberal. You and your disgusting ilk aren’t changing the ways of forward and realist thinkers like me.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Dear jbmlaw, 3:41

Your explanations were much better than mine and more forceful. I don’t have much patience with… errr…. cut’n’runners and you can call them names in a much nicer way. (THAT was a compliment.) Guess I will never make it in the diplomatic corps.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Deranged,

“Fascist liberal” shows your ignorance.

The RW Helen Thomas just quit due to censorship

BO is bashing Daily Kos with all kind of fascist garbage.

Look at you own party for fascism dumba-ss.

I believe in the freedom of speech and think you can spew your ignorance all you want.

By catlady

July 28, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

But won’t that just replace welfare dependency, with dependency on private groups? I mean if a child learns that someone other than their parents will help them, then they will assume that someone will help their kids even if it is a private group?

A decade ago, I lived in a well-known small Georgia city that has a fairly substantial population of public welfare dependent folks, as well as many upper middle class families. The churches and other civic groups in this town banded together and formed an umbrella group to administer private assistance to those who needed money for the rent, light bill, etc. What had been happening is that these folks had been shopping around—going from one helping group to another from month to month, never making the hard decisions to allow themselves not to be so dependent. The umbrella group set up very demanding criteria for assisting folks, and if their problem was as a result of consistently poor decisions (like having cable, but not being able to pay for their electric use, for example) they were refused assistance. They were also limited as to how many requests they could make in a year, and no matter how bad the situation, they were cut off. It was very, very hardball, but what I observed was people learning to make better decisions (and not being rewarded for poor ones). Some people moved away to places that were “nicer” to them, others worked more hours or gave up things they had some to think were necessities. It was a very effective way of targeting aid at people in real, short term distress through no fault of their own.

I think if all private “helping” groups did things in a similar way, and looked at the long-term effects of their help, structuring it to “teach a man to fish”, it would be successful at weaning continually dependent people off of the assistance. It would not be overnight, but then again we did not get to this point overnight, either. Whatever it takes to encourage/force folks to make decisions that lead to their self-sufficiency seems good ot me. We have sold many folks short for way too long.

There were a few non-participating groups, to be sure, but they found that they were being bled dry and began to see that in order to use their money effectively, they had to refuse to be part of the game.

I think we want to believe that people have pride, that people want to do better, but some just don’t. They want others to do for them, and will “allow” you to help them as long as you will. If hard work, planning ahead, and postponement of gratification works, folks who might not be naturally inclined can learn to do those things, IF WE MAKE IT WORTH THEIR WHILE.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

dusty downer,

You have the diplomatic skills of cheney.

By Deranged squared.

July 28, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Waste a life,

You and your pathetic ilk are doing everything to shut down the voice of opposition. You and your ilk are just too cowardly to say it. Like I said earlier, I don’t need definitions, just observations. Helen Thomas was probably a fair and balanced AP reporter in your mind.

In any event, it doesn’t matter. I don’t like you or what your ilk stands for, which is shoving your ideology in Conservative mouths. You hate cons and you know it. Everyone knows it. Hate breeds hate. You aren’t changing anyone who doesn’t think like you, fascist liberal. Deal with it, Waste a life.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

that you getalife@4:33

I’d love to have the diplomatic skills of Cheney, one of the most learned men in Washington.

And you sir, have the diplomatic skills of Osama ben laden, i.e. “Down with American imperialism. Down with W.”

By getalife

July 28, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

dusty downer,

That would be w.

He spreads the enemy’s message better than OBL.

Hell, OBL does not even have to show up with w doing his OBL quotes.

w is al Qaeda’s Baghdad Bob.

Geez.

By Jackie

July 28, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

I would contend you have “little time to waste” because you do not have an explanation. As is typical of all you neo-cons, you spout empty rhetoric that has no basis in fact an expect all of us to believe that you know what you are talking about. Empty suit, empty rhetoric, air-head. You profess that you support the troops, but you only bow down to the throne of Dubya without giving any thought to what you are doing. This man is a criminal and you are complicit in your support of his criminal activities. Got anything else to say about your emptiness?

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 28, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{{By getalife July 28, 2007 1:08 PM Duh, The AR 15 guy was a wingnut for fair and balance.}}}}}}}

getalife: You aren’t serious are you?

Those YouTube videos were filmed in CNN’s studio under the watchful eye of some rabid moonbat, probably James Carville.

I can just imagine: “Here, hold this damn thing, call it your “baby” and act like you are a Ku Klux Klanner.”

I’ll bet the “baby” dude was Joe Biden’s second cousin or some such thing.

I’m just glad nobody got killed, I know what happens when you libs play with guns, it must have been a toy.

Fake, just like the debate was.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

I know what happens when Cheney plays with guns: He leaves the scene because he’s drunk.

Cheney belongs behind bars. He’s a reckless, dangerous man, and fatherless children should not be exposed to him.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Well, Jackie @4:56,

I see you finally got down to the nitty gritty. You admitted you hate President Bush!! Now, who would have guessed!!

It seems you have recovered from your philosophical fantasies and spoken the truth. Go for it!! Just don’t expect me to pay any attention. I’ve seen too many of your type here before.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

duh,

Take off your tin foil hat, vast left wing, You Tube, conspiracy nut.

Geez.

By Jackie

July 28, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

@jbmlaw

As is typical of the neo-cons, you speak with fury and the velocity of your argument is without force. Your prose and dissemination is eloquent, absent of several facts, that being you “speak loud and say nothing!” You say that the Dems are about “cut-n-run”, yet, you can not understand what is going on with our military and it’s future. Get a grip! The professional military leadership says the Army and the Marines are broken; recruitment is down substantially; Osama Bin Laden is still in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Yet, you and the other neo-cons pontification with your sophomoric logic expecting reasonable people to believe that you have a clue as to what you are speaking. I contend that you don’t know your own name, let alone what is going on anyplace, anytime, anywhere. You were supposed to be helping Dusty explain what a “liberal” and “cut-n-run” actually means; read your post and tell me what you said. You, sir, are trying to fight the cold-war in the age of terrorism. Intelligent Dems have recognized we are in a different era that require different thinking in solving this problem. Where does that leave you on the intelligence meter?

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Dammit, Takemywife, if you write, “Geez”, one more time……

By getalife

July 28, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Geez.

By Midori

July 28, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Jackie,

don’t waste your time with Dusty.

she is an ignorant twit, incapable of expanding on her ignorant rhetoric, much less explain it.

her one and only fall back is:

that’s her defense mechanism. that’s all she knows. for example: she believes Cheney is “learned”. Go figure. she also believes Bush is a “leader”. Yet when asked to explain or give examples, she retreats to attack mode, as in “I know what I am, but what are you?”

Just how stupidly disingenious is that?

she’s a complete waste of time and space.

people like her need to be ignored. no amount of reason, explanation, rebuttal, education, etc. registers in her one-track mind.

she’s a Bush-bot idiot, pure and simple.

By Midori

July 28, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

I must edit my post above to correct the spelling of “disingenuous”

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

A la Jim’s subject de jour…

From AJC Home Page,

The plans for today’s wedding of Usher and his PREGNANT fiance have been cancelled.

Wonder what the future holds for this unborn child?

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Fox just reported that Michael Moore has started filming a new documentary about dogfighting called, “Vicko”.

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 28, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By getalife July 28, 2007 5:08 PM duh, Take off your tin foil hat, vast left wing, You Tube, conspiracy nut.}}}}}}}

getalife: For this YouTube thing to be considered a “conspiracy,” it would first have to be a threat to the Republican party.

As it was, I saw right through this laughingstock, this Keystone Klown Komedy.

The only damage done was to the democrats, although considering what lightweights they already are, it was pretty minimal.

There’s not much a mental midget can do to make things worse.

Figure this, the highlight of the evening, the most substantive policy idea put forth was when Edwards said he would have picked out a better dress than what Hillary did.

Oh, I’m sorry, a better pantsuit.

Say what you will about Ann, hahaha.

And how about Obama, he can’t wait to ease into North Korea, talk about stuff like all the millions of dead and slaves that Kimmy Ill has produced over the last ten years.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Snoops for Takemywife!

I dont know what that means. Now I’m afraid.

By @@

July 28, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

There’s a woman running for president?

Am I supposed to vote for Hillary because she’s a woman or because she supports most, not all of the principles I live by? Believe it or not, she’s pretty much abandoned “immediate” withdrawal. I could support her on that. Everything else. Nope.

Here’s a question for anyone or everyone. Is there any conservative or liberal here who would object to mandatory classes in the public schools that would address the legal avenues available to women/young girls in the event that they became pregnant and did not choose abortion. This would be a co-ed class. Guys and girls.

If you foresee any objections, I’d be interested in knowing what, by whom, and on what grounds they could be raised.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Oh no, 5:14 & 5:16

Analchord has gotten getalife as his straight man. This is going to be a long hot summer.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Duh,

I see you watched the debate.

GFY (Good for you).

It produced the difference between Obama and Clinton.

Experience.

As Vice President, he would gain that experience.

Clinton/Obama is my ticket but would take Clinton/Edwards.

She will have excellent Dems to choose for her cabinet.

Lam would be AG.

By catlady

July 28, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

AAhhh, so much for glancing at the headlines! I thought it said Cheney got a new HEART!

@@: I can’t see that flying in the public schools. It would “encourage” teen sex, according to some.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Snaps for Dusty!!

By @@

July 28, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

Don’t you just love the way Midori pops in out of nowhere to talk to someone about YOU. I’ve always wondered just how much times she sits in the shadows “wasting” HER time waiting for you to post.

Then she comes in telling someone not to waste THEIR time.

Funny…

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Cheney did get a new heart (from the wizard of oz) but only after he retrieved the broom from @@’s patoot.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

No @@,

You will stay the course with the rich, white power.

Abortion classes?

wingnuts, geez.

By getalife

July 28, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

@@,

We know you are dusty.

Please stop talking to yourself.

Its weird.

By Analchord

July 28, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

I thought I told you never to write that again, Cutthecheese.

By Dusty

July 28, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

@@ @ 5:39

The only objection I would have on mandatory classes for girls and boys would be that I prefer schools to teach academic subjects. Advice on pregnancy does not seem to come under that heading.

This seems to come under the domain of public health or legal advice if the parents are not responsible.

Perhaps school counselors could direct pregnant students to help on such subjects but that is as far as I would go with that.

By David

July 28, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Once upon a time, America had a rogue and lawless president who was willing to break the law to destroy his political opponents, use the full force of the federal government to carry out his personal and political whims, and generally act like he was a king, free of either “checks” or “balances.” The Washington Post played an historic role in exposing his corruption, his law-breaking, his lack of regard for the Constitution. There is a reason the Post’s work inspired a generation of reporters — and it wasn’t just the hopes of being portrayed by Robert Redford on the silver screen. The Post’s coverage of Watergate was a heroic effort that stands among the most important work any Americans have ever done in service to their nation.

But that was more than 30 years ago. Today, the Post counts haircuts and estimates cleavage.

That’s not completely fair. The Post, like other major news outlets, continues to produce excellent journalism and to cover important stories. The front page of today’s Post, for example, includes an article that FBI Director Bob Mueller contradicted the sworn testimony of his boss, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales. That’s an important story, clearly reported, placed prominently on page A1.

So I don’t mean to suggest that the nation’s news media are completely ignoring important news. They aren’t. But leading news outlets like The Washington Post and The New York Times have, by all available evidence, devoted significantly fewer resources to covering scandalous Bush administration actions than they devoted to covering President Clinton’s relationship with a staffer.

When the Monica Lewinsky story broke, the Times and the Post — like nearly every other news outlet in the country — dedicated extraordinary resources to covering it. The day after the story broke, the Times and the Post ran a combined total of 19 articles about it, five of them on the front page. Twenty-eight reporters combined to write more than 20,000 words about a “scandal” that boiled down to whether the president told the truth about a consensual relationship. That’s 28 reporters and 20,000 words — at just two newspapers in just one day. That relentless wall-to-wall coverage continued unabated for more than a year.

Fast-forward a few years. We have a president who has lied to the country in order to take it to war against a nation that didn’t attack us, created a network of secret prisons, embraced torture, held people without trial or access to lawyers or even being charged with anything, used the government to spy on its own citizens, used “signing statements” to declare that he will not follow the very laws he is signing, and presided over an administration that is routinely described as “lawless” and that generally behaves as though the United States Congress has no more authority than the Ridgemont High School student council. Among other transgressions against the truth, the law, the Constitution, and human dignity.

So, given what the occupants of the nation’s most influential newsrooms clearly know — what they have said and written before — shouldn’t the media be devoting greater coverage to the basic matter of whether or not we still live in a nation of laws?

Last night, for example, CBS News devoted 109 words to Mueller’s contradiction of Gonzales’ sworn testimony — and that was the most meaningful coverage the network’s evening news broadcast has ever devoted to Gonzales’ attempt to strong-arm the hospitalized Ashcroft into overruling the acting attorney general’s refusal to certify the administration’s warantless domestic spying operation.

A mere 109 words for dramatic evidence that the attorney general of the United States may have lied to Congress.

You can hardly blame CBS for rushing through the story, though. They had other news to get to, and precious little time. Anchor Katie Couric explained: “Finally tonight, if you’re a cat lover, or even if you’re not, there’s a cat in Rhode Island we felt we just had to tell you about. He has a very special ability to predict the future.”

You see, Oscar the cat knows when people are going to die, and he curls up next to them.

CBS “just had to tell you about” Oscar the cat. Just had to spend 490 words on Oscar the cat.

Yesterday, the director of the FBI gave testimony that suggested that the attorney general may have lied in his own sworn testimony, but last night, CBS News had more important news to report. News about Oscar the cat.

There are very real and very serious questions about whether the United States is currently a fully functional republic. About whether our president feels compelled to obey the law and to respect Congress as an equal branch of government and to follow the Constitution. About whether we still have a system of checks and balances rather than a monarchy — or whether that is but a quaint notion that will live on only in schoolchildren’s history books, if at all.

Isn’t it time news organizations devote more resources to exploring these issues — even if it means fewer stories about cats and cleavage?

By @@

July 28, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

catlady, I think sex education is always going to be in our schools in one form or another.

This wouldn’t be sex education…maybe a counter approach through, I don’t know…social justice.

Just curious. I think it could have an impact on the guys. The impact that may be missing due to the absence of responsible Dads in the home.

By jm

July 28, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Of course, a lot of this follows with the republican platform of caring more for the child in the womb than the one already born. You know, life begins at conception but ends at birth.

By Redneck Convert

July 29, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Well, I might of knowed Wooten would bring up a big topic while I was down at Countryland Golf Course in Cumming all day yesterday. Its about the only course that will let the good old boys play in jeans and a T-shirt. I thought I seen Markus over on the 2nd hole nudging the ball with his foot up on the hillside and looking around all sneaky-like to see if anybody was watching him.

Anyway, us good Christian conservatives got to do something about all the illegal babies in this country. Its got out of hand. It ain’t just that us rednecks get all riled up when Those People do You Know What on our dime and leave the kids to support with our tax money. Its about doing the Right Thing by God and fighting Sin and Satan. Just look around you. You can’t go to WalMart without seeing those hippy-hop boys walking around with their pants down around their hips and their underwear showing. They ain’t even got time to get their pants on right before they are out looking for another girl to bed.

Anyway, I got a program to put a stop to it all. I was going to save it for my campaign for President, but you all wouldn’t support me so I guess I’ll just come out with it now. I call it Redneck Converts Program for Returning Us to God and High Morals, and here it is.

Anyway, if that ain’t a program good Christian conservatives could support I don’t know what it would be. No more paying taxes for b**turds and Those People walking around without a job and just looking for the next person to do You Know What with. We need a Great Cause to support with our tax money, and its Us!

Well, that’s my opinion and its very true. We need to do the Godly thing and return us to ways the Bible teaches. I could go on and on about the Program, but I got to get ready for the big birthday sellabration for little Sonny Zell George over at the lake. We mailed a invite to the five men my dotter says could be the father but I don’t know weather any of them will show up. Anyway, if my hangover ain’t too bad I’ll check in on this blog tomorrow. Have a great Sabbath everybody.

By zeke

July 29, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Right on, Jim! The constant trash of liberals and socialists in this country are the things that cause the ruination of society and culture. The constant railing against marriage and family, the constant assault on morals, the bashing of religion, the incessant moves to usurp or run over the Constitution, the ridiculous laws that allow divorce and marriage breakups simply for either spouse to say that they have irreconsilable differences or they do not love each other anymore and the belief that women can and should have the rights to have as many children as they can and do so without a committed marriage with no cultural admonishments, are doing exactly what Kruschev said. “We will take you over from within”, he said. The first mantra of marxists, socialists and communists is to destroy the family! Well, our liberal bleeding heart nuts are doing just that!

By Bugsie

July 29, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

The first mantra of marxists, socialists and communists is to destroy the family!

Don’t forget about the individual zeke, don’t forget about the individual. Liberals have no power without groups and categories. By the way, when you here liberals refer to themselves as progressives, remember Karl Marx. America’s future has two enemies: radical Islam and liberalism. I don’t see much difference between the two ultimately. Both want to dominate America, both hate wealth and materialism, both hate Israel, and both are detrimental to the success of independence from the sterilization of mob rule and tyranny.

By WFC

July 29, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

I’m tired of all the “off-topic” comments on this blog. Jim brought up an important issue and all that about half the people here can say is something about “W.”

By @@

July 29, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

From a liberal’s perspective Hugo has a big heart, he’s just missing a brain.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is poised to issue a decree that will require government permission for private businesses to fire or demote certain employees. In the short term, this will be bad for Venezuelan businesses; in the long term, it could be disastrous for the entire economy.

The Decree-Organic Law on Worker Stability has been drafted, and Chavez will sign it using his Enabling Law powers, which allow him to issue decrees with the force of law without seeking approval from the National Assembly. The decree restricts the private sector from firing, reassigning or demoting employees who have been employed for at least three months without prior approval from a government labor inspector.

The law is being defended as a way to ensure job security. However, the practical effect will be increased unemployment and decreased productivity. Employers will be more cautious about hiring people, will more frequently fire them after two and a half months of work and will have little formal recourse to discipline unproductive workers.

As long as oil revenues continue to flow generously, the government can essentially subsidize this job security plan by offering businesses other benefits in exchange for this restrictive atmosphere — and by creating more public service jobs to mop up the excess labor pool this will create. But the longer this goes on, the tighter a spring winds up in the economy that will create a disaster when sprung; that is, when oil prices fall significantly, when Petroleos de Venezuela’s output collapses or when business leaders withdraw from the formal economy (all of which are trends currently under way), Venezuela’s economy will be devastated.

The “poor” Venezuelans can “share” in Hugo’s socialist dreams up to the moment they become nightmares.

By Bugsie

July 29, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

By WFC - I’m tired of all the “off-topic” comments on this blog. Jim brought up an important issue and all that about half the people here can say is something about “W.”

That’s because liberals dominate this blog because they don’t have real jobs during the weekdays and real lives during the weekends. Bush and Iraq is all they live on. Like fat little snot nosed school yard bullies, they’ll get in your face and attempt to shout you down. Liberals are constantly calling for Jim to retire, as if this blog goes away magically all Conservative thought disappears off the face of the planet. Liberals are such smart and intelligent forward thinkers, aren’t they?

By getalife

July 29, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

The cowardly gop cut and run again on Fox News Sunday.

Not one showed up to debate Feingold on censure or the AG debacle.

They are not just scared of the YouTube debate but Fox News too.

Come on gop cowards, man up to the people.

By Bugsie

July 29, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Scientists breed mentally ill mice to better understand things like schizophrenia. They didn’t have to do that. All they had to do was study liberal democrats on this blog.

By Bugsie

July 29, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

93 year old shoots robber, liberals upset. Any day now the ACLU will go after that old timer for violating the civil rights of the perpetrator. Liberals are also upset that a 93 year old man didn’t need to call 9/11 and instead relied on the Second Amendment to save the day. Remember the brilliant idea of trigger locks under Bill Clinton? Go ahead libs, run under the gauntlet of taking away guns and see how far you get in America.

By Bugsie

July 29, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

This is balanced and objective reporting at ABC to liberals. Long story short, a cop gets shot and Charles Gibson on Friday night blames gun stores while totally ignoring the fact that the gun was purchased legally by it’s original owner years before and nobody knows how the shooter obtained the weapon as the original owner is deceased.

I don’t support liberals or their mission. - Best of the blogs

CHARLES GIBSON: Well, the recent shooting death of a New York City police officer is shedding some light on how criminals get their guns. Too often, they simply go to a store. And they know which stores to go to. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, one percent of this nation’s gun stores sell the guns that account for nearly 60 percent of the guns traced to crimes. Here’s ABC’s David Wright.

DAVID WRIGHT: When a New York City police officer is killed in the line of duty, the funeral is a city event, fraught with grief and anger. Officer Russel Timoshenko was gunned down July 9th. And authorities now know where the gun came from. They’ve traced it back to R&B Guns of Hampton, Virginia, a store with a terrible reputation.

JOHN FEINBLATT, Office of New York City Mayor: What we know is that R&B had 1,116 guns that were used in crimes over a five-year period.

WRIGHT: A 2004 study found that 120 gun stores accounted for at least 55,000 guns used in crimes. And on that list, the fifth-worst offender was R&B Guns.

JIM KESSLER, Third Way: There’s thousands of guns that this store sold that have been used in crimes. And now a cop has been killed.

WRIGHT: Officer Timoshenko’s death has lent new urgency to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s campaign to go after out-of-state gun dealers, suing 27 dealers around the country. Officials in New York say Virginia needs to do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. But Virginians resent that. They say New Yorkers should mind their own business.

MICHAEL ZARLENGA, The Trophy Room: New York has its own problems, has its own troubles. They need to concentrate on what’s being done in New York.

WRIGHT: Virginia authorities finally closed down R&B Guns several years ago. The store owner pled guilty to selling firearms without checking ID’s and served a two-year probation. This week he told the New York Daily News it’s very upsetting that one of the guns he sold was used to kill a cop. David Wright, ABC News, Alexandria, Virginia.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

getalife@9:37 or is it Goldie?

Perhaps the GOP does not see any debacle or censure in the future. Why talk about a farce?

Perhaps the GOP doesn’t feel obligated to watch a liberal strut around spouting invectives against the Bush administration and Iraq as a way to help the country.

Perhaps the GOP is just plain tired of sqawking liberals. I haven’t read or heard anything positive from a liberal in years, a continual wail since Dems lost to Bush in TWO elections.

Now do some more groaning and moaning, getalife. We know you are Goldie the “griper”.

Golly gee whizzz!!!

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Wooten claimed not to have owned an ant farm as a child, yet, checking his profile on Google, his autobiography indicates he owns a rare collection of 1950’s era magnifying glasses.

By Got Warming?

July 29, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Some how, some way, Al Gore and his well funded “scientist” minions are going to blame global warming for this cold calamity in Peru. It’s for the children! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6916717.stm

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Wrong, Got, ‘twas the Dingo what ate those babies.

By Snowman

July 29, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

This is shocking. The BBC, that self-proclaimed left wing media outlet, got busted for faking audience phone calls. Fake pictures from Lebanon, fake military documents, and fake Youtube broadcasts. The left will stop at nothing to drive their dribble home. Fortunately, many can see through their BS. That many would be the Right.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

dusty,

No I am not Goldie.

Duh.

Perhaps no gop support ganzo but w.

What the hell, we do not need no stinking Justice Dept., it is only the law.

The coward gop do not want to be soft on crime like w, they have to face the people sometime before the elections.

At least they had Wallace to spew gop talking points for them.

Feingold said w wants to look at FISA to legalize his crimes.

The Dems are not going for it but they will pass outside country to country of suspected terrorists new FISA law. Not legalizing the spying of Americans like w wants.

Watergate by phone should never be legal.

By @@

July 29, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Middle East News Poll: 68 per cent of Palestinians favour early elections Jul 29, 2007, 12:31 GMT

Ramallah - An overwhelming majority of Palestinians - 68 per cent - favour early legislative and presidential elections in the Palestinian territories as a solution to the current political crisis in the Palestinian Authority, a poll published Sunday has found.

The survey, conducted by the research centre of al-Najjah University in Nablus, also found that if elections were held now, the Islamic Hamas movement would receive only 15.1 per cent of the vote, compared to 42 per cent for President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party.

Hamas has termed the Abbas-appointed government ‘illegal’ and rejected the call for new elections.

Well, if the elections are held and Hamas loses, they can always scream voter fraud.

I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they’re killing their own… children included.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

R U sure it wasn’t an April Fools day joke, or a episode of Crank Calls?

I cant believe a government would falsify data. BTW: forget WMDS. Where are all the Scuds in Iraq? WHere is the Air Force? Saddam had an air force. did he bury that too?

In fact, where is Iraq in the news? The vast right wing conspiracy has buried it, which is like so bogus, man.

Bush’s only chance to stay in power is to cancel the ‘08 elections and declare martial law. Then watch Pelosi whine, “Martial, Martial, Martial!”

By MiddleRoader

July 29, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

I’m a bit torn over this issue. First, I agree that two parents are better than one, unless one parent is a bad influence on their children. So why not make marriage harder to enter and leave to ensure more stable families? Also, why not focus on stopping pregnancy in unmarried women? Wooten is serving up platitudes but has no specific recommendations on what we should do.

But then I wonder: what about the children born to single women who had no choice in the matter? If we allow them to remain in a situation where the mother is clearly not able to make good choices, who’s going to step in and help that child become a productive member of society? Why not require that single parents demonstrate the ability to provide for their children, and if they can’t then require they put them up for adoption? Think about where all the adopted children in this country come from - China, India, Guatemala, etc. - when there are plenty of children here who need a better home than the one they’re in.

So I agree in getting tough, but the children shouldn’t be sacrificed in the process by eliminating healthcare, food stamps and education that’s available to them. We need concrete ideas on how to address this issue, not platitudes that do nothing but incite liberal bashing.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Martial, Martial, MARTIAL!!!

By Jonestown Kool Aid

July 29, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Contrary to popular dynamic opinion polls of sheep, Great Britain’s recent floods are not of biblical proportions or a mankind global warming cause. Don’t allow hysterical libs and Dembots to sell you short.

http://pr-gb.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3493&Itemid=9

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

That’s easy, MiddleRoader, simply make the government pay for ant farms for every child born to gay pro wrestlers out of headlock.

‘muff said.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Good morning all.

Well Mr. Wooten, your topic of what is best for children has certainly stirred up some emotions! And rightfully so. Some are thoughtful and intelligent, but not unpredictably, much of what is posted here is, sadly, just juvenile rubbish by angry extremists.

So, though I’m sorry to temporarily interrupt this little hate-fest, I’d like to direct attention to a really good question @@ asked at 5:39 yesterday.

This is a topic I have considered for years. What is the essence of public education and is our current model, in some ways, terribly outdated?

I think some of the possible “answers” may be very outside of the box and that many radical solutions might be in order, given just how much our society has changed in the past 50 years.

One side of me believes that academia should stick to just that - you know, the 3 Rs. Is learning Greek and Latin still relevant though? Probably not, but having a fundamental grasp of them most certainly is.

Another side of me believes schools could be more effective by also teaching practical everyday matters as well - balancing a checkbook, proper nutrition, how to avoid peer pressure, and yes, sex education. The things that better prepare a person for adulthood. (Irrefutably, a huge percentage of parents from all walks of life and political beliefs today would get a failing grade at this.)

But @@’s point brings up the very point of how controversial these elements of curricula are or would be. Who teaches them? And what exactly is being taught? And as we all know there are already way too many godless liberals ruining our children now!

But for goodness sakes, bring back mandatory PE all the way through 12th grade! And if I was King, it would be so!

Also, I am not altogether opposed to the contentious idea that ALL children don’t belong in the classroom.

Given that so many are making NO effort to learn or are already sociopaths, wouldn’t we profit by just cutting them loose and allowing the kids who truly want to do something more with their lives do so?

I know, what happens to these poor lost little souls? I don’t know. But I do know that they are not only NOT improving their lives in school, they are dragging down way too many others who don’t deserve that.

If some percentage of these miscreants later in life, realize the error of their ways, understand what they have thrown away and are ready to play nice and work hard, fine, readmit them.

WHAT you say?! Have adults in the fifth grade and moving through their education in a “special” school. Why not? Where’s the shame in that? It could be done, if we as a nation cared enough about it.

BTW, I think that this type of shame, guilt and fear are already fostered WAY too much in our society. From the conservatives in church to the liberal intelligentsia, people all over the country are already masters of it.

I obviously don’t have the answers to this education dilemma we are in, but I do know one thing - education is the answer.

The smarter people are, the more likely they are to talk out their problems. Instead of resorting to violence, either on an individual or global scale.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Goldie getalife@10:25

Kinda wandering a bit this morning, aren’t you?

What was it you said? “We do not need no stinking justice department!!”

That is so eloquent!! That may be true in Louisiana but it is already hard to identify a “justice” department in your state. I guess it is because Louisiana has depended on the Feds to handle everything. You “don’t need no stinking justice department”, just handouts.

And Gg, Dusty is spelled with a big D, not that little “d” you use.

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 29, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

OUR OPINION: Billions might flow if kids’ health care had Iraq appeal By Cynthia Tucker- And Medicare has turned out to be one of the most popular programs in U.S. government history. Indeed, in an era of virulent anti-government rhetoric, some Americans can’t quite believe it is a government program. In 1995, Medicare’s 30th anniversary, President Clinton said: “We had people all over America coming up to me or the first lady or to Senator Kennedy, saying, ‘Don’t let the government mess with my Medicare.’ People had actually forgotten where it came from, as if it sort of dropped out of the sky.” Democrats in Congress want to expand the program to cover more children. They have proposed spending an additional $35 billion to $50 billion over the next five years. Bush, who wants to spend only about $5 billion more, has threatened to veto a substantial increase.

Spending somebody else’s money is a “popular program?”

You reckon?

And what a motivator that is, makes you just want to hit the streets and make your own way in life, this column should have libs worldwide combing through the want ads this morning, I’ll bet.

Oh, and you libs would never, never take advantage of increased federal spending, no way:

{{{{{{The Bush team, a cavalier bunch of wealthy and well-connected folk who have little experience with job loss, haven’t done much to shore up the social safety net for unemployed workers. Since the Reagan era, the GOP’s response to economic misfortune has been, “It’s your own fault.” Moreover, Bush’s tax cuts and increased spending — which created a gargantuan deficit.- Cynthia Tucker 4/27/2004}}}}}

Duh.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Way off topic here, but Analchord, I say keep it up!

No not your “stick”! Your “schtick”!

I’m sure that many here, including some of the Democrats who probably just groan at some of your offerings, and ESPECIALLY the Republicans, who are almost universally sorely lacking in a sense of humor (at least that they will admit to), hate your unusual brand.

Hey, if you can’t laugh at yourself, or anything you hold dear for that matter, you’re just way too hung up.

So I say go boy!

Make ‘em all suffer!

By getalife

July 29, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

D@@sty,

Yes, diaper boy Vitter, family values spewer, is still in office.

A real man would resign and not put his family through the media circus.

Geez.

By Jonestown Kool Aid

July 29, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Republicans, who are almost universally sorely lacking in a sense of humor……..

It’s a Republican thing, AmVet. Mental midget libs like you wouldn’t understand. Besides, everything in the world of you libs is a big joke and not to be taken seriously with one exception: global warming supposedly caused by man. Islamic terrorism? That’s just a bumper sticker man! Haha.

No realist takes you pathetic libs seriously, nor should they.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Duh,

No wonder she won the Pulitzer.

That is good stuff.

Thanks for posting that.

By jbmlaw

July 29, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Dear Anachord, I partially agree with AmVet @ 11:03. I enjoyed your humor under your prior bloghandle, but you have been better than usual the past couple of days, my compliments.

Dear AmVet, I think I disagree on your assessment of who lacks humor. Seem to me most of the invective on the blog arises from the left, and excluding Anachord and Harold, we see little humor. I concede I don’t write much humorous material, but that is only because I recognize my limitations (I have a penchant for irony, and that usually does not work in print.) I have to admit that I used to think getalife totally lacked humor, then one day around a couple of months ago he posted a series of truly funny riffs. Just depends on how we wake up in the morning I suppose.

By Curious Observer

July 29, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

The hypocrisy of people on this blog is amazing. The same people who decry the burden of illegitimate children are the ones who think it’s perfectly OK for men and women to cohabitate without benefit of marriage. Anna Nicole Smith can have sex with so many men that no one knows who the father of her baby is, and the loose moral standards don’t appear to bother anyone. Instead, the concern becomes whether the right father can be determined and whether the right person gets the inheritance.

We have become a nation that gives lip-service to morality but tolerates just about any kind of behavior except murder and violations of the precious Right to Property. Just look around you. If your neighbors are living together without benefit of matrimony and that doesn’t bother you, then go look in the mirror to find the source of a major part of the problem.

We no longer condemn immoral behavior. In fact, we now regard illegitimate children in terms of whether they’re going to be a burden on the taxpayers. We’ve redefined morality to include tolerance of fornication and adultery.

Given those moral attitudes, we have no right to expect anything but continuing hordes of single mothers and welfare babies.

I grew up in a decade in which it was socially unacceptable and shameful to conceive a baby out of wedlock. My attitudes haven’t changed in that regard. And none of you have the right to decry the current problem of numerous single mothers and their children so long as you tolerate easy divorce and socially acceptable cohabitation. So either pay the taxes necessary to support this burden or grow a spine that refuses to accept illicit sex and casual divorce. You can’t have it both ways.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

Actually, it depends on when my pain meds kick in.

I am much happier when they do.

Your right, I come here for a fight but now that we all know how pathetic the gop are , my work is done.

Wingnuts have been marginilized like the Islamic radicals and both are losing support.

Analchord (PF) does not like comedic competition and he will play the Chris Hanson card.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Goldie getalife@11:16,

Vitter is one of your home grown Louisiana boys, reflecting the values he learned at home. If GOP took a chance that he might be honest in Louisiana, that’s a local failing, not the GOP.

But you are right. Vitter should resign. Then he could run for governor of your great state and probably be elected (if he has a freezer for the money that is a Louisiana banking system.)

Oh, I forgot. That’s the liberal banking system for bribes in your state.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Seem to me most of the invective on the blog arises from the left,…

Hard to quantify, and I would never care to, but reading the diatribes of tftt, markus, luckodull, or by their many other monikers, as well as the numerous “non-progressive” drive bys, etc, it is hard to agree.

But I do believe that the farther one goes in either direction towards the “lunatic fringe”, the more likely they are to just post hateful irrational drivel. Just my experience.

So jbmlaw, as you know I am always willing to admit when I have misspoken. And the case of my “humorless GOP” comment may be an example.

I would correct myself by saying that the most “passionate” GOP bloggers, like their far left cousins, are so critical that I can’t see them ever not taking themselves seriously long enough that they could laugh even if Robin Williams were posting here.

As my friend Dave says, “Rule #6 - Don’t take yourself so seriously!”

(Apparently there are no Rules 1 - 5!)

By getalife

July 29, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

@@,

The local governments are fighting for the money before Jindal takes over.

He is a big time wingnut and wingnuts can’t govern.

Its amazing who they elect down here.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Oh well,

I am not especially entertained by “bats in the belfry” kind of humor. It is sorta amusing like the squirrels on my birdfeeder. They are bright and bushy tailed with cuteness but I wish they would go away.

No offense, PoFo/Analchord/etc. I wish you great success and laughter at Little Five Points. But I’m sitting at home on a dreary day, coughing my head off with a summer “cold”, and missing a great sermon at church, not to mention the fried chicken dinner afterwards. It does not make a day of happiness and comedic appreciation. (I love fried chicken! Here’s a special SOB!!)

Cheers and ant nests to you!!!

By jbmlaw

July 29, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Dear getalife @ 11:44, funny response, maybe we need to spread your meds to others.

Dear AmVet @11:49, maybe I am right by a count of 153-152 (or maybe I am wrong by that count.) I appreciate your good humor, even when I don’t acknowledge it (regrettably, the normal case for me.) That may be the real problem, that too many of us don’t appreciate the spirit of the exchange, an argument implicit in getalife’s 11:44 post.

By jbmlaw

July 29, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Dear Dusty @ 12:16, there is a great French aphorism that translates, “I am a Marxist of the Groucho variety.”

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Luckovich is in for it 4 today’s cartoon. Sure, the USA should be doing more than offering nutritional advice and pouring money into double-blind/triple-chinned studies about obesity, yet, I just cant make light of the plight of the blighted.

Maybe they should have taken control of their lives, eh, Jim Wooten?

Bob Dole was on this week. he looks great, and it’s obvious what Viagra did for him. sure wish I could afford that there Viagra pill.

By jbmlaw

July 29, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Dear Dusty, so sorry about your summer cold. Mrs. jbmlaw sang the offeratory at church this morning, and at the last service she said a clump of gunk (probably from allergy) descended into her throat right at the most dramatic part of the song. Fortunately she was able to laugh about it (God reminding her that she was not singing for her own glory.) As I attended the early service (when she sang great,) she was spared the embarrassment of me sitting there.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, good point about the spirit of the exchange! And one last thing about the humor, or lack thereof, topic and then I’m done with it.

Just look at the sweetness dripping from that post of 11:18 as the repudiation of any assertions about the bulk of unwarranted, irrational invective coming from the far left.

And at the same time the perfect, albeit it unintentional and witless, confirmation of my contention about the reality of a hate consumed lunatic fringe within the GOP.

Counselor, unlike yourself, I am a true independent and an equal opportunity extremist basher. You seem, like virtually all good Republicans and Democrats, to choose to turn a blind eye to the enmity within your ranks. And that is certainly your prerogative and one I can accommodate.

But there is an irrefutable truth on these blogs. Otherwise intelligent, thoughtful posters here will never say boo to those who are not much more than hate-mongers. And why?

Simply because they agree with them politically.

And in these instances, it is incredibly convenient to hide behind being a champion of free speech; blah, blah, blah. But in many cases it seems to me to be nothing more than shameless cowardice to confront the worst aspects of ourselves and our society.

Trust me, I am no blog nanny. But unlike most, I am not afraid to say from time to time that tacit approval by silently endorsing an overabundance of ridiculous hatred and depravity is not without its risks to us as a people.

So call me crazy but I believe that civil discourse and cogent thinking is much more entertaining AND valuable than this tripe.

I think this is an example where I can paraphrase Dean Wormer of Animal House fame, “Fat, angry as hell and stupid is no way to go through life, Son”.

Now flame me at will oh angry ones!

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Throw a Bible in the toilet, nobody says a word. Throw a Quran down one, and you are immediately charged with two hate crimes: criminal mischief and aggravated harassment. Yes, this is in America. New York to be sure, but still America. After this horrendous travesty to humankind, the university where it occurred has now issued mandatory “sensitivity training” for all students. I feel safer already.

One by one, bit by bit, rule by rule, and law by law, we are all slowly being herded by the politically correct lib crowd in a way that Hitler would have admired.

Vote Democrat in ‘08 and ‘10, and see more of this in our lives. I wouldn’t put it past the PC Dem nazis to pass legislation banning negative comments towards left wingnuts because it’s “hate speech”. Think about the future.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Am Vet 12:35 -

Are you saying that your leftist brethren here are angels? I surmise you have missed posts by God Hates Trash here? What he posts makes anything from the Right here look benign. How convenient. Are you saying there is no hate from the left towards the right, or is it only ok for the left to trash the right and the right can’t retaliate? Spill the beans, please.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Yes, that 12:38 is slap full of love for fellow Americans.

I think Americans are sick of the back and forth smear jobs and want progress to fix all w’s disasters. Move on, move forward, move over gop.

We should start with ganzo. Newt agrees.

I think the Iraqis come together for soccer so we should build them indoor soccer facilities.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Getalife, you are an idiot. You are one of the biggest head in the cloud liberal instigators on this blog. You post your hatred and vitriol for anyone that’s a Conservative or doesn’t toe your line of thinking and then come back and have the call to talk about smear jobs? You hate your fellow Americans who don’t vote your party line. It’s painfully obvious. We will not stand down, we will not shut up, and we will not tolerate the left trashing our views from the right.

By @@

July 29, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

About your meds…do you often overdose? I haven’t mentioned anything today about your politicians down in Louisiana (12:01?)

Maybe you’ve been high on the many occasions when Dusty and I submitted posts at exactly the same time. That’s an impossibility Getalife. Dusty and I are NOT the same person.

Dusty would never pull up a chair to the *pokeher table…

on second thought, neither would I, but you get what I mean, right?

You took us to a HuffingtonPost link the other day. Some poster there goes by the name of GottaLaff. Was that YOU GettaJoe Wilson?

I must admit, I laughed when Valerie and Joe lost their lawsuit. Enough already, those two need to get high on life.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Dem PC libs, you display some serious affinity for hyperbole with those facetious questions at 12:46.

It is not necessary to answer them, but how in the name of Sam hell do you think I fail to see the oft-displayed hatred from the far left? Which part of my distaste for hyper-partisan Republicans AND Democrats escapes you?

Sir, the risks, AND rewards, with you and I debating, is that our perspectives seem so very different.

I am completely uninvested in the superiority of the arguments of the political left or right. Both seem to have some great ideas, and a ton of awful ones. And frankly both have demonstrated a lurch to the extremist end of their respective ideologies that has been IMHO horrible for this nation.

As the GOP holds power now (and yes, I know about last November’s elections, but nonetheless they are still the dominant political power) it may seem that I bash only Republicans.

Not so, and if you have read some of my other writings, you would know that I have taken numerous shots at Slick Willy, as well as some of the major Democratic players, especially Kennedy, Sharpton and others. I have also written extensively about some of the failings of liberalism.

There is not much doubt these ultra-liberals are also major screw ups. BUT they are absolutely dwarfed right now by the insanity that passes for our Executive Branch. (Or in the case of our Veep, a quasi-executive branch!)

I have complained loudly and often about wanting a REAL conservative movement back in this country, but alas I seem to be howling at the moon and it never gets much support or traction! I think that most in the “new” GOP have just come to accept this neo-conservatism as the real thing. I will never do so.

And so far there is not one of the three or four front running candidates for US President that I will vote for. Not one. Either Dem or GOP. And I have made crystal clear that unless I have a miraculous conversion of some sort, I won’t vote for either New Yorker if my life depended on it.

As for me not calling out some of the hate mongering libs here, I must confess, in spite of the truth of my post at 12:35 that I am loathe to do so with ANYONE.

But I have not once been wantonly verbally attacked by anyone on the left even when I slammed Bill Clinton for being a draft-dodging womanizer. When I have slammed Bush, Cheney et al (and god knows it has IMHO been very deserved) it happens a great deal. And with much venomous creativity!

I try my damdest to not stoop to attack people for their opinions. Sometimes I fail. Usually I reserve my righteous indignation and diatribes for popular public figures. But if someone does choose to screw with me personally, they have picked the wrong cowboy. I’ll leave it at that.

So try as I might to laugh it off, honesty compels me to admit that it is sometimes hard for many of us to not also follow the hate mongers here down to that lowest common denominator.

So my early guess is that you are completely invested in the infallibility of as Mr. Wooten calls it, “Thinking Right”.

So be it. You and I may have many opportunities to have some “spirited exchanges”!

P.S. You can see that brevity is not one of my strong points!

By getalife

July 29, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I love you too Dem PC libs and D@@sty.

Can’t we all just get along?

Don’t be a hater.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

AmVet, if I wanted to read a book, I’d go to Barnes & Noble. Please keep your thoughts short and to the point. I know it’s hard for you libs to do that, but at least try.

“It is not necessary to answer them, but how in the name of Sam hell do you think I fail to see the oft-displayed hatred from the far left?”

Uh, let’s try because I have not seen you attack vitriol from the left here, like from the previously mentioned God Hates Trash. If you have, please provide the example. One of the first major steps to recovery is acknowledging denial.

By Midori

July 29, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Well, @@, I can understand your glee and murth about the Wilson’s losing their lawsuit — after all, in your brain dead, twisted, moronic world she wasn’t even a CIA agent to begin with.

so why, oh why, should there be any outrage or retribution for that non-crime anyway?

see how that works in Pathetic land?

you jerk CONservatives are the biggest bunch of lunatic traitors I have ever had the displeasure of sharing the open air with.

In your perverted “reality” Sandy Berger should be hung and shot, whereas people WHO OUTED A CIA AGENT AS RETRIBUTION should be hailed as heroes.

Pathetic, pathetic stupid b*tch.

You and your kind are beneath contempt.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Gingrich predicts Clinton/Obama ticket.

Newt,

If you going to steal my predictions, how about a little credit?

Geez.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Is the Juice playing today for another try at the homerun record?

By Midori

July 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Chew on this morons. Now we see how this idiot in the White House did it

will this report garner “thumbs up” from the hypocritical right?

you people were probably lying and stealing while you were still in your mother’s wombs.

By @@

July 29, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Midori:

When Valerie Plame, in her own testimony, said that she did not know whether her “covert” status met the legal definition, I thought……

DONE!!!!!

There comes a time when…

Enough already, those two need to get high on life.

I never called Valerie a Pathetic pathetic, stupid glitch!!!

MoveOn I say.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

You jerk CONservatives are the biggest bunch of lunatic traitors I have ever had the displeasure of sharing the open air with. In your perverted “reality” Sandy Berger should be hung and shot, whereas people WHO OUTED A CIA AGENT AS RETRIBUTION should be hailed as heroes. Pathetic, pathetic stupid btch. You and your kind are beneath contempt.*

Thank you Midori for proving my point to AmVet. You are one angry little liberal tool. Now we’ll see if AmVet or Getalife, that fair and balanced man or woman of open minded liberalism, has the guts to say anything against you. Maybe you need to try taking meds like so many libs on this blog. Stay away from narcotics tho.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

I surmise you have missed posts by God Hates Trash here? What he posts makes anything from the Right here look benign.

In my longwindedness (is that a real word?) of 1:40 I forgot to address these two items.

As for your question, I have seen them, and to me they are basically the disturbed, hate-filled rantings of a madman. (Either that or he is an absolutely genius of irony, but I reeeeally doubt it!)

As for your statement, again I ask you to read the unsolicited, unwarranted response to me by Andy/LuckoDull/Jonestown Kool Aid at 11:18.

This is a guy who was essentially castrated for posting pages of the most vile insults and disgusting tirades at Luckovich’s blog. Of course, the leftmost libs were all too happy to engage him. But make no mistake about it, he was in a “class” of his own. And was practically revered by all on the political right over there, some of whom are regulars here. I’m SURE you know him.

He is almost certainly being watched very closely by the AJC and that is why we see such “compassionate conservatism” from him now!

You may try to defend these cretins, and you may even enjoy their “style”, but I believe it only reflects badly on you for doing so.

AmVet, if I wanted to read a book, I’d go to Barnes & Noble.

But apparently you’re reading them. Or, then again, maybe not.

I understand that in this dumbed down age of sound bites and slogans, explaining highly complicated geo-political or other issues in 10 words or less is de rigeur.

I’ll make you a deal, I’ll shorten my posts if you add something factual, relevant, insightful, timely, or even significant to yours.

You could start by explaining this, I have not seen you attack vitriol from the left here,…

You might want to put @@ to work as she is fantastic at researching what bloggers said many months ago. I have called Midori out for some of her lingo. (Sorry Midori!)

And speaking of denial, it is funny but unless you have been a LONG time lurker who just today came out in the open, I have NEVER seen your name before. Odd, isn’t it?

You may be better off sticking to insults and semi-anonymous names as trying to best me in a battle of wits or words may not work out that well for you.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Hillary’s cleavage trumps Paris in Prison.

Hillary’s cleavage makes me want my mommy.

Hillary’s cleavage did most of the talking that day.

Hillary’s cleavage was obviously aimed straight at Bin Laden….then she pulled a gun.

Hillary’s cleavage is tougher on terror than the Bush Twins.

Hillary’s Cleavage: Shooting from the hips……..ew.

Hillary’s Cleavage marks the end of the sexual revolution started by J. Edgar Hoover.

Hillary’s Cleavage: was she wearing a wire?

Hillary’s Cleavage: Where’s Ashcroft and his statue veils when you need him?

Hillary’s Cleavage: Do you know how many hits on My Space you could get with a pair like that?

Imagine Hillary’s Cleavage the most patriotic display since John Paul Jones said: “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead”…..”

By getalife

July 29, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Geez Louweez,

Looking around the blogosphere, is there any part of government that is not broken?

Wow.

I think they need to shut government down and try to fix all these problems.

Amazing.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Amvet 12:35.

I hope that you are not mistaking DEBATE as an action which both sides agree on the same. I think this blog is a debate in every sense of the word. Without the factors of debate, you get a namby, mamby lovefest.

It is very hard to be “nice” at times. When you present reliable facts, you are then assailed with vituparative names and quite often, obscenities. Fascist is another favorite among names. Then there are liberals who are so unoriginal as to write derogatory parodies of other posts. Then come the phony conservatives who are liberals in disguise (RedNeck, Captain Freedom and Conservative Nut job.) Last but not least, there are the ID thieves who try to discredit you by using your ID for unpalatable posts.

I’m sorry, Amvet, but these are mostly characteristics of some liberals on this blog and over at Luckovich’s. Not all, but most. I have been blogging here much longer than you.

If you don’t see many conservatives posting here, it is because most think it is not worth the insults. Some of us think it is. But as you wish, let us keep the experience pleasant. But Monday will soon be with us.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

@@,

She was covert.

It is a proven fact.

I know, I know, facts have a liberal bias.

Why is that, I wonder?

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

I still want my mommy.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

dusty,

I think most cons see the reality of this administration’s failures.

Lets face it, they can’t govern.

Everything is broken.

You are out of excuses and your arguments are pathetic.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

AmVet…that fair and balanced man or woman of open minded liberalism,…

It is so funny that you chose those exact words!

I have written some very positive things about Richard Nixon (did I just admit that?!) and now later in life, with the benefit of more hindsight, have even acknowledged that Reagan was very much a two-edged sword with some really good presidential qualities.

For example unlike our current commander-in-chief, he was self-assured enough that rather than surround himself exclusively with yes men and assorted sycophants, Ronnie appointed James Baker as his Chief of Staff.

The once Democratic Jim Baker who ran the campaign of his rival GHW Bush!

You just know they must have had many disagreements over policy, but Reagan was man enough to want to hear them. W? I’m not so sure.

And now that I think of it, Bill Clinton appointed a Republican, Bill Cohen (who ironically was one of very few Republicans to break rank and vote for the impeachment of Tricky Dick) as his Sec. of Defense.

So you see, it is actually you who is extremely suspect in this regard and more than likely transparently hypocritical in your assertion that I am a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat.

Unless of course you can truthfully say that you are not a dyed-in-the-wool-Republican or have some good things to say about a single, solitary Democrat. Pick one, but may I suggest, maybe Senator Clinton? I know, that’s not fair. Better play it safe and go with JFK or FDR.

But at any rate, this should be fun.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Dear jbmlaw @12:26,

Thanks for your consoling words. The family is ready to throw me out of the house for over extended coughing. I get many offers to go get COUGH SYRUP.

I gave a little blush for Mrs. jbm and the unexpected “frog” in the throat. Probably it was not noticeable to others, just a little warble. I love classical Spanish guitar and they have the most delightful trills and warbles. I feel sure Mrs. jbm ‘s warble was lovely.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

The Juice is still stuck one behind in the homerun derby.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

I got your cough syrup, Dusty, RIGHT HERE!!

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

getalife,3:05

Take your meds.

Everything is not broken.

The sky is not falling.

We still have a conservative President.

Congress is batting zero.

Nothing is perfect, neither love nor war.

You don’t argue. You only accuse. Pity.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

AmVet, the left can get away with anything. They can wish for the president’s death or the VP’s death and nobody says anything. It’s obvious you don’t live in the realities I see. Your indifference to Midori’s 2:05 for example is all the proof I need to see where you are coming from. Regarding your comment about one Democrat that I could have positive words for, there are none. There has been no good Democrat since JFK as far as I’m concerned. I have nothing in common with any modern Democrat, and lately, apparently a lot of Republicans. I am so sure Dems on this blog would have anything positive to say about any Republican since Lincoln. Regarding your comment about whoever at a Lukovich blog or whatever is not my concern. In addition, if you don’t want to admit you are a leftist, that’s your business. I could care less.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Hi Dusty, thanks for your input at 2:48.

Although we have passionately butted heads numerous times in the past, in some ways we are very alike.

I hope that you are not mistaking DEBATE as an action which both sides agree on the same…

You know me better than that, Dusty. I absolutely agree with you and am one of the seemingly few remaining Americans who doesn’t considered it a mortal sin to modify my views. It is part of growing and learning. If you have a better idea that you can completely substantiate and one that is superior to mine and convince me of, I’m always open to it and would love to hear the details.

As I’ve admitted, I have resorted to juvenile insults. Very infrequently, but nonetheless, so. And some directed at you. That was wrong and I will not do so again.

But what you have never admitted, is how terrible it was when you twice questioned my patriotism. And only because I have been against this situation in Iraq from day one.

You could call me fat, bald and ugly (all of which is untrue!) and it would not bother me in the slightest.

But I have raised my right hand and sworn to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And that is a charge and solemn duty I hold as dear today as I did when I was 17.

We agree on some things and disagree on many others Dusty, but please don’t ever again question my patriotism to this land - a nation that has given me everything I have and hold dear.

Last but not least, there are the ID thieves who try to discredit you by using your ID for unpalatable posts.

How sweetly ironic. It should be patently obvious but that post at 3:20 is not mine.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Really dusty,

Justice Dept., State Dept.,FDA, Dept. of Interior, Health and Services, etc… are all in the papers.

Do you even bother to read all the problems or just blame the libs?

When you appoint political loyalists with no experience, you get broken government.

Try to keep up and do some reading before you spew.

Geez.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Thank you, AMVET, for the cough syrup. I hope it works. Right now, I am in the midst of a big glass of ice tea with lemon. The family thinks if I am swallowing tea I can’t cough. So far so good. (hack hack!!) uh oh..

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

…about one Democrat that I could have positive words for, there are none.

Now there’s a huge surprise! And what ever happened to fair and balanced? It has never existed for those who utter the phrase.

I could care less.

I doubt it.

See, I can be succinct!

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

This is great. Voter fraud in Washington state from that liberal group called ACORN. They’ve been in trouble before. Now, wouldn’t you expect the media to jump all over this regarding voter fraud? Wouldn’t you expect that had this happened in a state like Ohio and some Republican action group was in charge that full fury would be unleashed? Of course.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Now there’s a huge surprise! And what ever happened to fair and balanced? It has never existed for those who utter the phrase.

AmVet, are you going to tell me that Dems on this blog are fair and balanced towards Republicans? Please.

By @@

July 29, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Midori @ 2:09:

Has there ever been an indictment of voter fraud that resulted in a guilty verdict?

You keep your eye on that congressional hearing against Republican voter fraud.

I’ll wait and see how this indictment turns out.

Felony charges filed against 7 in state’s biggest case of voter-registration fraud

ACORN canvassers in other states also have been the subject of investigation.

AmVet:

Heeeeyyyyy, I remember you. I had totally forgotten about my archive research. You’re the Todd Rudgren, Ralph Nader guy. I can’t recall what name you used to post under though. It was JJG or JGG…something like that.

Anyway, you bid us adieu and said you would never return due to the incivility between bloggers, and yet…here you are.

Take it like it comes AmVet and laugh…isn’t that what you said earlier?

Hell, if I had taken attacks against me personally, I would have signed off long ago, kinda like you did when you were JJG…JGG…whatever.

I actually see humor in “Dem PC libs” get it? Dem (Them PC libs). He’s O.K. in my book. I’ve actually learned quite a lot from his posts over the years.

It’s not your place to rob me of the privilege of reading his deliveries here.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Bush yes-men:

“He (Alberto Gonzalez) doesn’t have much credibility, and he would do us all a favor if he stepped down and allowed the president to select someone else,” Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn. said,

“You need to be truthful to Congress. You can’t be inaccurate so often. Finally there just builds up this incredible credibility gap.”

Gonzales’ apparently contradictory statements, repeated use of “I don’t recall,” and refusal to answer many pointed questions in testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee have contributed to calls for his ouster.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Amvet, sorry about the cough syrup. Maybe that is why it didn’t work.

I usually mention patiotism when I find citizens who are against everything the government does. Certainly there are misjudgements and unexpected events in this administration. But, as the old saying goes “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”. Many good things have been done with no credit from liberals. I find that very exasperating.

Just wondering. When you were in the military did you appreciate the people at home saying you were on a losing team? I doubt it. I don’t think the volunteer troops in Iraq like it either. Sorry but I do not think you can “attack” our war efforts without discouraging our troops and encouraging our enemies.

It is too late to say “I’m against the war.” We are in it. Congress spoke for you and said “Go!” I will not back away from that.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Dusty, what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

When you were in the military did you appreciate the people at home saying you were on a losing team?

Dusty, you may choose to believe this or not and I certainly will speak for no one else, especially any of our guys in the ME.

But when the Viet Nam war was raging we didn’t give a flying fork about what the people back home thought. We didn’t give a tinker’s damn about the President or the Congress or the Girl Scouts. And don’t even mention domino theories or fighting them over there stuff.

All those involved cared about were their buddies and getting out alive.

And as far as emboldening our enemies by speaking out against the war, I have always believed that is hogwash. I have asked this question before - do you honestly think that if every single American man, woman and child was 100% behind the President and supporting this invasion, the insurgents would just give up? Or fight less fiercely? Of course not! It didn’t really slow the Japanese or the Nazis down much, now did it? And the GIs knew it.

And to the extent that the politicos could shorten the disaster, great, but not many of us, in their right minds, put much of any faith in the Pentagon or the White House.

And that is why to this day I have a very healthy dose of skepticism about our elected leaders.

And though this has never changed, for me patriotism is a weird thing. The people who yell the loudest what patriots they are seem to be the worst Americans in some ways. Like religion, I find it much more credible when it is done quietly and without $2000 Armani suits.

I do love our fighting men and women. I always will, but for me, patriotism is one of those things that you can claim to support the troops all you want, but your actions speak louder than your words.

By getalife

July 29, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Losing Iraq to the Iraqis is ridiculous.

Like Vietnam, it is their country.

Its the same old bs.

The question is, what will we win?

Money for defense contracts.

Is it worth it?

Hell freaking no.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Snips 4 CuttheGeez!

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

July 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

The Pope is back in Vermont.

We think the best thing that could happen for southern children is the building of orphanages and taking them away from the cycle of stupidity, violence, incest, superstition, hate, and poor hygiene that is southern family life.

By Dusty

July 29, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

AMVET.4:31

Do you not realize that messages, news and pictures go around this world in seconds? I doubt that you had that in Viet Nam. But don’t tell me that the people at home did not upset the military in Viet Nam.

Some veterans are still talking about it. The lack of support at home,protest marches, the non-welcome on return, the “spitting incidents”, the cut’n’running forced upon them, Jane Fonda’s escapades. I’m glad you missed all that but it is incredible that you say the military knew nothing about it. Where in the world were you stationed? Timbuktu?

You do know that our military talk to their families on the internet while stationed in Iraq. Can’t you realize that they know what is going on in the USA and around the world and so does the enemy. We have even had bloggers from overseas.

Would you mind telling me what “actions” of mine show that I do not support the troops and therefore are not patriotic? That is what you are insinuating and it doesn’t work.

Your platitude of “love for the troops” is not the kind of support I would want if I were in the military. If I heard that you were against the war in which I was fighting, I certainly would not think you were on my side. Such blatant ignorance is inexcusable.

Analchord,

Go back to the jokes. If you don’t know by now what the mission of the USA is in Iraq, you are hopeless. An American citizen that does not know what we want in a war that we are fighting!!!! Go back to your protest marches and your fellow liberals. I am not one of them.

By @@

July 29, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Midori:

If you’re out there, well we know you’re OUT THERE, but you may want to review some of those memos that Jason Leopold got his hands on to incriminate the Republicans. I did take a look at them once you took me from TruthOut to PBS. Some excerpts:

If this is true, it is proof that people with questionable registrations are trying to vote absentee.

This is a goldmine.

Received Cuyahoga county returned mailing/inactive CD from McInerney. I extracted from the total returned list (of kick backs from the county’s own mailing), The ACT and ACORN #s.

This is just a partial list, as the BOE was unable to put onto a CD the entire returned mailings to date. It does, however give a great snapshot.

According to the CD, there have been 502 returned registration mailings for ACT and 1068 for ACORN.

Now think Midori, is it possible that the Republicans were onto ACT and ACORN and were doing their own investigation of Democrat’s VOTER FRAUD.

As my ^^^ link to the Seattle Times indicated. It IS ACORN that has been indicted.

Just how many times are you gonna let Jason Leopold dupe you?

By @@

July 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

I read somewhere that when they arrested a bunch of Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq, they had U.S. newspapers in their possession along with a weapons cache.

I guess they liked doing the NYT crossword puzzle, or maybe America’s liberal press is just another weapon they use against our troops. It justifies their hatred when American’s support them in their push for our surrender.

By GodHatesTrash

July 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

B******* has always been epidemic in the south. Even in colonial days, historians have shown that b******* made up over 25% of the population (compared to less than 1% in New England and the Middle Atlantic colonies), even before you bring in the slave women who were raped by white rednecks and forced to have their children. Up until Loving vs. Virginia in 1967, every mixed race child born in Dixie (every southern statte outlawed ‘miscegenation’ - the Supreme Court verdict made 17 state laws unconstitutional. The filthy pekkkerwood government of Alash-ithole-abama kept the law on their books until 2002) was a b******* by state law. Recent DNA testing estimates that fully 1/3rd of the males in African-American family trees are white - each one guilty of fathering b*******. Papa was a rolling stone? He sure was if he was white.

The Pope is right, southern family life is a filthy disgusting joke.

Animals all. Trash.

By GodHatesTrash

July 29, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

B-astardy has always been epidemic in the south. Even in colonial days, historians have shown that b-astards made up over 25% of the population (compared to less than 1% in New England and the Middle Atlantic colonies), even before you bring in the slave women who were raped by white rednecks and forced to have their children. Up until Loving vs. Virginia in 1967, every mixed race child born in Dixie (every southern statte outlawed ‘miscegenation’ - the Supreme Court verdict made 17 state laws unconstitutional. The filthy pekkkerwood government of Alash-ithole-abama kept the law on their books until 2002) was a b-astard by state law. Recent DNA testing estimates that fully 1/3rd of the males in African-American family trees are white - each one guilty of fathering b-astards. Papa was a rolling stone? He sure was if he was white.

The Pope is right, southern family life is a filthy disgusting joke.

Animals all. Trash.

By @@

July 29, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget the other filthy disgusting jokes you mentioned at ml’s.

Retards (Me, @@) teaching retards (disabled children)

Trash (Me again) teaching trash (disabled children)

You truly are a credit to your side, a lovely person indeed.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Dusty, your intransigence is unquestionable if not distasteful.

You’re either too young or its just wishful thinking if you believe the guys overseas didn’t know about the anti-war movement back in the 60s and 70. Even in the age before the Internet and instant TV!

Do you not realize that messages, news and pictures go around this world in seconds?

NO?!! In seconds?!! Maybe you think it works with some here, but to me, you lose credibility REAL fast when you talk to people like they are 2nd graders. And I can assure you that I have seen much more of the world than you, Ms. Teacher.

And yes, sadly I know all about swift boaters, etc of today. They, like the politicians, the televangelist frauds and the Jane Fondas, get all the pub, but they are definitely not terribly representative of those who were actually either there or those who were actually protesting.

Would you mind telling me what “actions” of mine show that I do not support the troops and therefore are not patriotic? That is what you are insinuating and it doesn’t work.

I am really sorry about this miscommunication. As soon as I hit the Post button, I realized that you might infer I was talking about you personally when I said “your actions speak louder than your words”.

I most definitely did not mean that and should have made that clear or at maybe changed the word your to our. Sorry.

Your platitude of “love for the troops” is not the kind of support I would want if I were in the military. If I heard that you were against the war in which I was fighting, I certainly would not think you were on my side. Such blatant ignorance is inexcusable.

Dusty, I’m going to demonstrate more “ignorance” and ignore this entire paragraph for the time being, as I believe it was written in anger due to the above misunderstanding.

Just remember - Rule #6!

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Well, it didn’t take long for God Hates Trash to show his true hatred of fellow Americans. One has to ponder if Getalife and AmVet are going to talk about that kind of hate. I doubt it. That kind of hatred only destroys from within. I must say it is entertaining to witness however. Some of the biggest ignorant hate mongers out there are from areas other than the south. Many reside in the northeast and many others on the Left wing coast. God Hates Trash will have to answer to Him one day for his hatred of fellow human beings. Hate always catches up to destroy. Have fun while it lasts, God Hates Trash.

By GodHatesTrash

July 29, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

@@, do you think that I care what a pekkkerwood moron like you thinks about me?

Like most of the Woo-ten Klan, you don’t have the brains gawd gave a fart. It is truly disgusting that someone like you is trying to educate children, retarded or not. It just goes to show how degenerate southern culture is when stumpbroke morons like yourself are given the title of educator.

Trash.

By Bush's Colon Polyps

July 29, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Hi.

We are Bush’s five colon polyps - @@, Dusty, Bi Danish, RW and Andi/e.

We are truly disgusting, like you would expect from an intestinal growth, and truly mind-numbingly stupid, like you’d expect from something from the as-shole of a drunken retard.

Let me tell you what we have to say -

Duh.

By @@

July 29, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

I had the privilege of talking to a guy last weekend. He was my neighbor’s visiting cousin and we were all sitting around the pool. He retired from the military last year.

I was surprised to find out that he had served in Afghanistan and had done two tours in Iraq. I never ask veterans to recount their experiences in conflict zones or their opinions about politics. As the conversation strayed into politics (it wasn’t my doing) his cousin asked; he told us that he had enjoyed (cough) the company of Hillary Clinton for two days in Iraq. “She wasn’t without her charm” he said, “but she sure wasn’t there for the troops.” “It was very obvious that she was there for her political advantage.” “She’ll get the nomination” he said, “but I would never, NEVER vote for a Democrat.”

I didn’t ask him to elaborate. He didn’t have to. I knew exactly how he felt.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

anyone

By TW

July 29, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Analchord - The mission is to serve as free labor for the sickest get rich scheme in the history of the United States.

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

That is the most stupid question on this blog today and doesn’t even warrant the time to respond to. No answer would be right for that deranged idiot.

By @@

July 29, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Damn, and I was being so nice to you GHT…helping you with your memory and all.

You truly are a credit to your side, a lovely person indeed.

You didn’t enjoy my compliment? I’ll take it back then.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Ponder away!

If you would merely open your mind (or at least do more than only read what you want to believe) you would know I’ve already done it at 2:31. But it would take something much more than hypocrisy and something called integrity to admit that. Which I definitely do not expect.

But you could prove me worng.

Your unwillingness to admit that there is hatred from both sides is what is mildly interesting. Not my unwillingness to play t** for tat with you. As my conservative friend jbmlaw said earlier today, the count is 153 insults to 152 or thereabouts! Give or take a few million, right counselor?!

By your own admission, you are the willfully blind partisan, Dem, not me. And I care not to join you, thanks.

BTW, speaking of pondering, I thought you said you could care less about my middle of the road independent musings.

By Analchord

July 29, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

See folks? Dusty and her cloned neo-scuminati dont have any idea why US troops are in Iraq. They are only addicted to chat rooms, and have turned this blog into a myspace dorkfest.

Just wanted to make sure you all knew that I knew that you knew, but sometimes you have to inform new visitors.

Enjoy Entourage tonight!!

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

A CNN sports anchor says that Vick’s dog fighting is worse than raping a woman. Only a feminist web site showed outrage. Anyway, non humans like God Hates Trash love thugs like Michael Vick and supports the thug behavior of like minded criminals.

By AmVet

July 29, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Yes, a good day of blogging to be sure!

I have fought off countless of the angry self righteous horde yet complemented their hero, Ronald Reagan. What a paradox! And as always, I have tried valiantly to protect American values from the scourge of extremist partisans!

And the crowd goes crazy!!!!

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

BTW, speaking of pondering, I thought you said you could care less about my middle of the road independent musings.

You are the one who continues to engage me AmVet. I’m done with you and have been done with you. You don’t impress me enough.

By GodHatesTrash

July 30, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Dem PC Libs is another retarded ignoranus in the Woo-ten Klan. Was @@ your special ed teacher?

Trash. Retarded trash.

By jbmlaw

July 30, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Dear AmVet @ various times, last week I suggested my belief that leftists wake up angry, spewing bile. I submit GodHatesTrash as anecdotal support for my argument.

By WTF

July 30, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

www.gcapp.org

Georgia Coalition for Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention (G-CAPP)

Encouraging a two-parent home is great, but I’d bet that a fairly large percentage of these single mothers are teenagers who should be going to school, not raising a child.

By td

July 30, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Wooten is correct about the fact that children fair much better in an intact family with both Mom and Dad. Study after study provides the evidence to back up his claims. The problem is with the judicial attitudes and our state laws that do not take advantage of the studies and continue to promote an adversial procedures in the family court system in this state.

There was a commission put together last summer to address the issue of custody and children. The commission came to the conclusion that the best interest of children are served when both mom and dad are equally involved. They made a lot of great recommendations to the legislature for changing our family law system and going to a much less adversial relationship. The bad news is the family law bar and the family law legislators wrote the resulting bill and made sure these great recommendations were not implemented into the new law. The presumption of joint physical custody in cases, where there is no abuse found, would have gone a long way to ensuring children to have continued contact with both parents and would force the parents to work together for the children. Unfortunately, when this was asked for it was narrowly defeated, in my opinion, by attorney’s in the house judiciary committee that were looking out for their own best interest and not the best interest of the children of this state.

By Sandy_G

July 31, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

You really have to wonder whether the social experiment of putting big government and the legal establishment in control over deciding where children will live after a divorce and how much money the non-custodial parent will be expected to give to the custodial parent to support those children has actually had the unintended effect of making divorce an easier choice for women.

There is a movement in this country to introduce laws that would take the power away from judges and attorneys and force judges to award joint physical custody and equal parenting time if one parent wants it and that parent is proven to be fit.

It’s interesting to note that in some states where mom is not guaranteed to get primary physical custody of the children and a check each month, the divorce rate is lower. When couples seeking a divorce know that they will be forced to work together on parenting their children after the divorce, it may actually have the affect of forcing them to rethink whether they truly want that divorce in the first place.

And before the uninformed among you start screaming “domestic violence”, statistics show that within marriages, females are just as likely to be perpetrators of physical violence as males. In divorces where there is proof of domestic violence, the rules would change.

Statistics show that when questioned, a good percentage of divorced mothers admitted that they had interfered with thier ex’s right to visitation. Many fathers who love their kids and want to be involved in their lives are systematically prevented from doing so by mothers who do not want to have to deal with Dad, so they try to eliminate him from their lives by denying visitation, moving away or substituting a new husband to play the role of Dad.

A young man I knew years ago had a child out of wedlock and paid child support to the boy’s mother regularly, yet, when he went to visit the boy, Mom would not allow him to take the boy to a ballgame or anywhere else for that matter. She would only allow visitation to occur on the front steps of her home and then, only for a few minutes. This fine young man, who worked hard for a living, started his own business from scratch and was a great role model, was forced to hire an attorney and go to court so that he could be allowed to spend time with his son.

True, there are many young men who father children and walk away, but there are many more who long to be able to spend time with their children and be role models to them but they are prevented from doing so by vindictive ex’s or the court systems.

The current state of the family law system in this country is biased against fathers because money has been introduced into the process and the children have become financial prizes to whoever gains primary custody. Lawyers stand to lose a lot of legal fees if parents are forced to work together to raise their children rather than fighting it out in court and women stand to lose a tax-free source of income (child support). These are the same people (attorneys and women’s groups) who acted to completely gut a bill that would have made joint physical custody in Georgia the presumed form of custody in all divorces unless one parent was deemed to be unfit or the parents agreed that this was not in the best interest of the kids. We need to ask the legal establishment and women’s groups why they actively work against a bill that would have allowed children to have equal time with both parents after divorce?

By Sandy_G

July 31, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

And here’s another thing I’d like to know…..Why is it that if a woman has a child out of wedlock, the State and Federally-funded Office of Child Support Enforcement will, free of charge, act as her attorney to legally establish who the father is and get a court order for child support for her. They will also track down and incarcerate fathers who do not pay child support.

However, there is no Federal or State government agency that will help fathers get a court order giving them visitation rights or to help them enforce those rights when Mom denies or interferes with visitation? Want to know why?

Because the Federal government gives funding to this agency based on how much child support that is collected by OCSE. There is no financial incentive offered by the Federal Government for an agency that would ensure that fathers who want it, would be assured visitation time with those kids. See a pattern here?