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DEL.ICIO.USVick, terrorists — and, yes, good news
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Amid the gloomy news of the day — Atlanta Falcon quarterback Michael Vick is indicted for alleged involvement in dog fighting, al-Qaida intensifies its efforts to strike inside the U.S., and the poor illegals in Metro Atlanta are having a tough time registering their cars — there is exceedingly good news.
It comes from Renee Glover, executive director of the Atlanta Housing Authority. On Tuesday, she delivered the good news to residents of the Englewood Manor public housing project near Zoo Atlanta. The project will be razed and most of its residents will be given federal Housing Choice vouchers that will allow them to rent private sector housing anywhere in the U.S. One resident interviewed by AJC reporter Ernie Suggs, a 32-year-old mother of two, said she did something last week she never thought she’d do in her life: She went apartment hunting. “I went to look at a couple of condos and apartments in Norcross,” she said. “It was great.”
The woman, Markisha Brice, moved into Englewood 18 months ago from Cincinnati, where she’d lived in public housing since 1991, the year her first daughter was born. “I always wanted the comfort of my own home,” she told Suggs. “Now I am going to get it.”
Under Glover, Atlanta is a national leader in ridding communities of those awful public housing projects, where one generation of tenants begets another, all conditioned to lifetime dependency on government.
To qualify for Housing Choice vouchers, residents must have a job, pay their rent on time, and resolve past problems with credit, criminal history and unpaid utility bills. About 82 percent of the 300 families in Englewood will qualify. Taxpayers pay moving expenses, apartment deposits, up to three apartment applications, and for 27 months of support services. Eventually, all 12 remaining public housing projects in Atlanta will be torn down and rebuilt as mixed-income developments, with some units available to the poor and some to those who pay full freight.
This program is an example of how conservatives can change the world, while making life better for the poor. Obviously sitting for a lifetime in a cracker-box in a crime-ridden public housing project surrounded by misery cultivates dependency. It costs more initially to give residents a chance to live in a setting where people get up and go to work every day and assume personal responsibility for their lives and families, but over time the money will be well spent.
Comments
By RCH
July 18, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this
So this woman had her first child at 16 and has been living in Public housing for 16 years, and only now made responsible for her own rent? O, my aching wallet!
By Redneck Convert
July 18, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
Well, a godly conservative can’t even pay a woman to make him wear a diaper anymore without the libruls squawking. This poor Sen. Vitter is being slammed all over the place. People got to realize he Thinks Right and everybody does some things that don’t need to be put on TV or the papers. I watched him and his wife talk on TV last night. She looks kind of mean and big, and if I was him I would wear some steel underwear to bed because she could get nasty with a pair of shears in her hand.
Joe Bill says the same good Republican drive that got Sen. Vitter in trouble is in all godly Republicans. They just want to control everybody and make them do what they want them to do. I guess you can’t make everybody turn into good Christian people without being drove by some force inside you. Anyway, if I had enough money I would buy some Depends stock. I look for people like jbmlaw and Sister Dusty and tftt and Van and RCH to start wearing diapers any day now and see to it that everybody else does too.
Its all Clintons fault. He set a bad example and a few good Republicans can’t help it if they are led astray and go chasing House pages or paying women to make them wear a diaper. At least Sen. Vitter didn’t drop his pants in front of some fat intern in the White House. He put on that diaper like a Real Man would and kept it quiet till some commie ratted him out. He is still better than any librul commie. Us rednecks will see that he is reelected because he done been forgave by God and his wife. God told him so.
I sure hope Those People that live in the housing projects don’t move up here to my trailer park. Its bad enough the guvmint is spending my tax money to buy them houses.
Well, I’m getting off this blog because its the same old thing every day. Wooten posts something and shortly jbmlaw comes saying me-too like a butt-licking old hound dog, like he is afraid Wooten won’t let him live if he don’t agree with everything Wooten says. Around 10 or so Sister Dusty rolls out of bed and soon as she gets her housecoat on she starts attacking some librul. She must be a real joy to live with. Then Van and RCH start chiming in and then we hear from the Pope guy throwing off on us rednecks and then melo and deegee and getalife and the rest come piling on.
Anyway, buy stock in diaper cos. everybody and have a good day.
By Thad
July 18, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
Good news my arse. Putting your trust in habitual deadbeats isn’t good news.
Can you say foreclosure Wooten? I’ll bet my last taxed dollar this government venture is a bailout for the subprime lending fiasco.
Send AlQaida. At least we’ll die a quick death. The perpetual losers are killing us slowly and methodically.
By Van
July 18, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
Re: “…and the poor illegals in Metro Atlanta are having a tough time registering their cars”
I weep, I really do, imagine, the Bank of America will issue them credit cards, get them a mortgage for a new house, but the mean old state of Georgia wants them to produce legit paper work to register their pickup trucks.
I mean, just because your an illegal alien, do not have a valid drivers license and can not prove who you are(without proper documentation) - why shouldn’t the state allow you to register your vehicle?
As a side note - YEA! its about time something is being done.
By TW
July 18, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Time for Vick to hire Tony Snow…
By GiveProperCredit
July 18, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
This program is an example of how conservatives can change the world, while making life better for the poor.
I’m almost certain the effort to demolish public housing projects was in place PRIOR to Gore winning the presidential election and Bush being named president.
By Dave
July 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Public housing - the only way we can solve the low income housing problem is: Home Ownership. Without something to lose, there is no motivation to even try. Maybe find a solution where very low income people with poor credit are able to own thier own home which would be either paid for or have very low payments and have some protection which will keep mothers with children from having forclosure take away the home.
The Evil dogfighter should be placed under the jail. This is a great opportunity to make an example of this piece of human trash. We must make it clear as a society that you cannot treat man’s best friend like this. Dogfighting should have life without parole sentences for first time offenders. People who value life so little could become murderers.
By Captain Freedom
July 18, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
The Captain is encouraged to see Mr Wooten returning to the provinces of True Belief with this heart-warming tale of hope for the future. However, the Captain is torn about the efficacy of this modest proposal regarding the Dark Skinned people-without-hope of the ghettoes.
On the one hand, is it not easier to control these beasts when they are concentrated in a single location? The Germans proved the efficacy of this strategy in several major urban centers, (e.g. Warsaw, Krakow, Berlin, etc.). Perhaps the problem is that too many of Them are allowed to live in other areas. If the more successful of Them were required to live amongst the more typical of Them, the lesser of them would have the double benefit of 1) salutary role models, and 2) a higher class of crime victim right in their own back yards. This last would keep Them busy at home and out of our finer neighborhoods.
On the other hand, the law of nature directs Proud Predators to disperse the herd to make it easier to pick off the weak members one by one. Perhaps the Germans were afraid that the denizens of their ghettos might blend in if they were allowed to disperse. Luckily, White America will have no trouble spotting the scattered herd of our ghettos, and dealing with Them accordingly. (Thank God for the Science of Racial Profiling!)
Another plus to the dispersion plan: many of Them will be sent to areas with heavy Latino propulations. Since their respective darknesses can often appear the same, there is a good chance that the Ghetto People will be caught up in the Righteous Anti-Immigration Purge, with both groups being sent back to where they belong.
Soon enough, we will enjoy the fruits of a Pure White Christian Nation. Well, except for that damned Patel and his brood. But we’ll get to them soon enough.
It’s the Right Thinking thing to do.
By Van
July 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
GiveProperCredit,
Another leftie - ignorant of reality and devoid of common sense.
By Captain Freedom
July 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
I agree with Dave. The very idea that one of Them can treat our noble and beloved Canine Friends with such cruelty is sickening.
I say this is Vick’s last chance to deliver a Super Bowl victory, or we will put him under the jail.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. 1960s style public housing programs are an excellent example of leftist good intentions gone awry. The program is entirely oriented around making real estate developers rich, then herding our “untouchable” caste into a prison without walls. Busting up the bastille is an essential first step.
I will confess mild surprise that 80% can meet all of the qualifications for the Housing Choice vouchers – perhaps I am guilty of what President Bush calls the soft bigotry of low expectations. Nevertheless, I will celebrate that these people (or as our friend Redneck would say, “those people”) are able to free themselves from the socialist slavery.
By catlady
July 18, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Thad, Section 8 is subsidized RENT, not home ownership.
I am not really sure what Jim’s point is. Subsidized rent (housing projects) is pretty similar, but cheaper, than subsidized rent (Section 8). Not nicer, but cheaper. Housing projects can be a blight, if you don’t have expectations, as Atlanta’s housing projects have not for years (job, etc). I am not sure living around middle class people “betters” poor people much. Just shows them,up close, what they don’t have. I will look forward to longitudinal studies of the families moved out of Clark Howell, etc, into mixed income housing to see if it has been worth it: if the rate of “responsible living” increases when folks who are down and out live around folks who are not. And what about the multigenerational effects? Will this housing truly break the trend of sucessive generations’ continued dependency? Will those supported in mixed income housing move up, or will they continue to expect supported housing in the next generation? Will their children finish school, avoid pregnancy and drugs—is mixed income housing a miracle cure? Right now it sure looks better, but what the research shows 30 years from now will tell if it is worth the additional expense.
BTW, what happens to the 18% who are inelligible for this? Where do they get dumped?
By Mond-boggling Hubris
July 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Wooten tries to give conservatives the credit for this. Your arrogance is mind boggling. This type of program started under Clinton, and Renee Glover is about as conservative as Michael Moore.
Jimbo conveniently leaves out that Glover and the AHA are dispersing these families throughout the region. The ATLANTA Housing Authority is very conveniently pushing these families to DeKalb, Cobb, Gwinnett and Fulton.
In the same article Jimmy refers to, a housing official says the AHA “requests” these families stay in the City of Atlanta.
There are good aspects to this program, but you don’t build these projects with such a net loss of units. It’s a deliberate effort to disperse these families away from their neighborhoods, and if they happen to leave the city limits, AHA won’t be crying about it.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
Dear Redneck @ 9:18, you misread the dynamic among us fascists. “Wooten posts something and shortly jbmlaw comes saying me-too like a butt-licking old hound dog, like he is afraid Wooten won’t let him live if he don’t agree with everything Wooten says.” Jim and I receive the same talking points from Republican headquarters each morning, and my statsi-like appointment is to advise whether Jim takes inappropriate liberties with what we are allowed to publish. My notes are a simple code, “you are allowed to live another day,” or not.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Dear Catlady @ 10:18, great questions, seems like there was a long WSJ article a month ago, I think it suggested there was a sharp division among sexes. Young males liberated from the ghettos remained libertines (same drug use, crime rates, etc.,) but young females removed from the undesirable neighborhoods blossomed in almost every respect, improved in school work, had lower teenage birth rates, etc. Don’t know how tightly-controlled were the studies, but it was an interesting argument nevertheless.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
Dear Mondo-b H @ 10:25, it is always about “credit” with you leftists isn’t it. Take a page from Reagan, “you can accomplish great things if you don’t care who gets credit.” You misread Jim’s writing, he does not say conservatives did all of this, he is reminding us that conservative activism could do these same things, if we only would.
Of course, maybe we do chuckle when we see leftists bailing out of leftist programs.
By RCH
July 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
I can see it now. PETA vs. NAACP(Al and J.J) Boy this is going to be messy.
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
Anything that makes illegal leeches skeered and even slightly more vulnerable to being arrested/deported is freaking marvellous. Hopefully more and more will simply slither off elsewhere, if not back to the corrupt slimehole that is Mexico and points further south. Targeting their vehicles was brilliant. Too many illegal leeches even with legal driving licences just buy basic insurance to get their car tags and then cancel it putting everyone at risk. This illegal cancer and the huge freeloading in schools and hospitals and tax avoidance etc has hit GA very hard - its long past time to fight back!!
NC is infested with illegal leeches from Mexico. I know an English lady married to an American who has done a couple of years as a substitute teacher about 30 miles outside Charlotte NC. She says her county is overwhelmed with them. They are destroying the school system, have hateful attitudes to the USA, refuse to learn/speak English and consistently threaten teachers with false “you’re a racist” charges if they are ever challenged about class room disruption.
The glorious news about this brutish sick hippety hop thug Vick’s indictment is long overdue. Hopefully this scumbag will get some serious jail time as federal indictments are usually much harder to beat. This kind of mindless cruelty to animals is typical of the thuggish hippety hop culture - and there are equally despicable knuckle dragging white trash and illegal mexican type leeches scum gleefully torturing and butchering dogs involved in this most vile of practices. Doubtless some of the usual moronic sullen professional black racebaiters will defend Vick - but the indictment is explicitly detailed.
The Falcons need to dump this dogturd pariah immediately!!! There are more than enough black thuggish scumbags in the NFL and NBA. Funny how Ice Hockey doesn’t have this endemic problem with thugs. Must be a white thang to not be a thug and a criminal whilst being hugely rewarded for a rather dubious ‘skill’!!
The often moronically stupid names these often sluttish black women were themselves given and then give out with numerous welfare babies who more often than not are but nascent thugs by numerous wilfully deadbeat fathers that populate these housing projects is undeniably symptomatic of the corrosive decades long malaise in a hefty segment of the black community. Markisha seemingly admits to having spent most of her life in public housing. Now tax payers are puking up money for her and her (statistically) likely one day thuggish kiddies to move on up. Surely its better to keep such easily identifiable urban losers all together in one area where the problem can be managed and monitored more easily. Although I take the point that just maybe some of these lucky folks may actually avail themselves of this expensive opportunity to break out of the welfare cheque, hippety hop thuggish gangbanging cycle and have a crime free, welfare free life.
By Dennis
July 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten says, “This program is an example of how conservatives can change the world, while making life better for the poor.”
Wait, wait, wait. Wait just a minute….
Since when is it a conservative idea that the poor ought to be assisted in life?
Have we not read in Mr. Wooten’s columns and many conservative responses that the reason people are poor is because they are all lazy and continue to make “bad choices”?
And that it’s each persons responsibility to lift him/herself up by their own shoe strings and not to expect the government to bail them out of their poverty?
That these persons do not deserve the best of health care if they cannot pay for it out of pocket?
And now Mr. Wooten comes along and says it’s “good news” that…comes from Renee Glover, executive director of the Atlanta Housing Authority. On Tuesday, she delivered the good news to residents of the Englewood Manor public housing project near Zoo Atlanta. The project will be razed and most of its residents will be given federal Housing Choice vouchers that will allow them to rent private sector housing anywhere in the U.S.”
And these vouchers, let’s see, those are forms of conservative tax payer dollars, right?
The money of which could have been used for more tax breaks, right?
Seems to me all of a sudden Mr. Wooten is carrying the strong, liberal, smell of a pharisee.
And all conservatives on here should let him know it.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By getalife
July 18, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
As a pit bull owner and dog lover, Vick should get prison time.
There is nothing cool or hip about fighting dogs.
It is disgusting and Vick and his friends deserve to rot in prison.
By Captain Freedom
July 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
Catlady: BTW, what happens to the 18% who are inelligible for this? Where do they get dumped?
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
By RCH
July 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
Getalife We finally agree on something. But are we not forgetting that it is innocent untill proven guilty. If Mr. Vick had any class he would take a leave of absence untill this issue is laid to rest.
But if he does play this year, getalife, and all other dog owners should come to the dome with their animals. I will bring my two Multi-poohs. And I will buy anyone on this blog a beer and a number 7 shirt to clean up any dog mess.
By Dennis
July 18, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
RCH said @10:36, “The Falcons need to dump this dogturd pariah immediately!!!”
We could wish. But when it comes to ethics, “Money may not be everything, but it’s way out in front of whatever’s running second.”
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By GiveProperCredit
July 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
Van,
You sound so intelligent. “Leftie” - LOL. You’re ready for Jeopardy.
Wake me up when you have something to say.
By Heather
July 18, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten wrote, “It costs more initially…but over time the money will be well spent.”
Excellent observation!
It costs more initially to invest in education, but over time the money will be well spent.
It costs more to maintain and expand subsidized health insurance for children [i.e. PeachCare], but over time the money will be well spent.
It cost more to hire enough park rangers to prevent forest fires in South Georgia, but over time the money will be well spent.
It costs more initially to establish and maintain a quality indigent defense system, but over time the money will be well spent.
It costs more initially to hire more quality police and and state troopers, but over time the money will be well spent.
It costs more to maintain Grady Hospital, but over time the money will be well spent.
It costs more to invest in mass transportation, but over time the money will be well spent.
Thanks for the insight, Mr. Wooten — very astute.
By RCH
July 18, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
Dennis That was time for the truth @10;38.
By LOL
July 18, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
Must be a white thang to not be a thug and a criminal whilst being hugely rewarded for a rather dubious ‘skill’!!
LOL - Benoit, UGA, etc., etc., etc…
By Captain Freedom
July 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
I see that TFTT agrees wholeheartedly with the reasoning of my post cf. 10:08 a.m. It is said that even a blind squirrel can find his own nuts on occasion. Bravo, TFTT.
And the Captain wishes to offer kudos to the Captain for anticipating TFTT’s thinking so accurately.
By Van
July 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
GiveProperCredit,
I did, your reference to the 2000 election shows you still believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny.
By Dennis
July 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
By RCH July 18, 2007 11:05 AM “Dennis That was time for the truth @10;38.”
I apologize to you both.
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
I see the Aryan Nation’s homosexual aversion therapy plaything inbred rednekkk is back to puking up its odious anti-black hate and nefarious lies about its conservative betters. inbred is one of life’s more plebian socially inadequate retards - the kind of deeply envious racist simpleton that incest produces … just look at your average interloping unwanted nasal whining yanKKKee in Costco to see what I mean!!
Lance Corporal Syphilis has finally washed its whiter than white robes and pointy hat and polished its Hitler Yoof Grand Wizard merit badge - and at last is shamelessly showing us all what a snivelling maleficent depraved racist dogturd it is. Syphilis needs the old punishment for witches - the ducking stool - which would also be a useful and enormously amusing toy to deploy against the cut and run feminazi scum in code pinko. I would happily lower Syphilis (naturally in a Haliburton sponsored) ducking stool for about ten minutes into say a piranha infested lake or just as fittingly an Exxon lime pit.
By AmVet
July 18, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Yeah, TW, I can just see it now!
Tony Snow: “I don’t think we’ve done a very good job at getting out the message that Michael Vick actually loves and cares for dogs, especially Rottweilers and pit bulls, very much.”
Well since tftt has already preceded me with his, the following rant may or may not shake things up here today.
To me this whole Vick affair seems sadly to be just another example of the ultra-violent, misogynistic, gang-banging, respect nobody or nothing, not even yourself, screw everybody - I got mine, unintelligent, uncaring, insatiably greedy, shallow, revenge-minded, gangster rap, modern hip-hop black culture.
Did I leave anything out?
Oh but he’s a football star? Or a rapper?
Well lets just pretend that all of the above isn’t true. AND lets not condone or tolerate this disgusting behavior by these awful people, lets glorify it!!!
And though I’m not, even the sports journalists are afraid of broaching the subject, even on an obvious cheap shot. Instead of calling the thugs what they are, the antithesis of class and goods sportsmanship - they use euphemisms like “trash talking” and “off-the-field problems”.
I know there are two sides to every story, but for once I’d love to hear someone with the guts to talk about the ugliest and meanest aspects of these creeps instead of sugarcoating everything for better ratings and lots more money. LOTS more money. Naive, I know.
You know, somebody on ESPN’s Outside the Lines say, “Well he is sure one helluva three point shooter, but what a lousy human being.”
Where’s Ferrell?
By Captain Freedom
July 18, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
TFTT gazes into the mirror offered by Captain Freedom and recoils at the image therein. Horrified, he rants and rails (ineptly and unartfully, alas) in a feeble attempt to ward off the truth behind the Truth. To no avail. The curtain has been pulled away for all to see.
The Captain is happy to have been of service to this Right Thinking creature. The Captain’s work is done. Long live the Captain.
By jcm
July 18, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
Please, please, please let Trestletree Village be next!!
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
Van
me thinks that this pathetic dickweed actually is more likely to believe in the tooth bunny and the Easter fairy.
@ LOL the moron … I note you predicktably and gutlessly IGNORE the awkward factual points made about the endless chain gang of black sporting thugs. Which white UGA thugs were you referring to??
was it this one whose just been jailed?
http://uga.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=39796
Benoit was out of his head on steroids etc. Whilst his deranged crime was in some respects far worse than Vick’s Vick was systematically gleefully torturing and killing dogs, he purchased property to do this and paid other scum to manage this for him for years and Vick was gleefully gambling on this bestial practice. Benoit suddenly went beserk in a very tragic way. Black sports and hippety hop thugs are infinitely nastier than the likes of Benoit (who was simply a victim, albeit a willing victim of steroids) and there’s infinitely more of them!!!
By GiveProperCredit
July 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
Van,
You’re getting closer to providing understandable commentary. I’ll respond intelligently when you get there.
Thanks.
By deegee
July 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Conservatives are noted for championing socially liberal laws that have no reasonable chance of enforcement. The Housing and Community Development Act of 1974 created section 8 housing but there was little affordable housing that would qualify. Nixon’s “no forced integration” policy effectively neutered the program. It has taken 30 years of progress and the right mix of economic and political variables to make section 8 housing a viable solution.
By GPC
July 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
TTFT,
Do you feel validated? If I sought, needed, or cared for your e-approval, I might EXPLAIN - such as you have.
It’s so nice that when keeblers commit crimes the world cares to figure out what was going on with them mentally. What a nice perk. LOL.
As long as you sleep well at night…
By JK
July 18, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
AmVet, I don’t disagree that this exists: “ultra-violent, misogynistic, gang-banging, respect nobody or nothing, not even yourself, screw everybody - I got mine….. insatiably greedy, shallow,…” etc, but I don’t think it’s either limited to nor encompasses “black culture.” It’s a visible element promoted by the capitalist parasites of the recording industry, but not the norm for most black people.
As a native of Atlanta, I don’t think skin color is the primary indicator of trashy, disgusting, selfish, hateful behavior. And why is the Benoit wrestler’s family murder is still being treated as a “tragedy caused by steroids?” This guy was a huge pr!ck beore, and knew darn well that taking ‘roids made him even meaner. He did them anyway. The redneck element of white culture is just as misogynistic at the core, if only slightly less flashy about it than the hip-hop culture. From my observations, anyway.
By RCH
July 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
Van
Steroids had little or nothing to do with this crime. Chris was suffering from mental problems and then snapped, committing this horrible crime. But let the facts stand; he and only he is responsible and suffered the ultimate penalty.
We are always looking for a reason such a thing happened. That’s not the point . It did.
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
I see the resupine KKK lapdog Syphilis doesn’t actually emptily deny its black hearted despicable black hate - it just seeks to as ever dissemble and excuse and justify its hate and witlessly and ludicrously project such filth onto its conservative betters.
AmVet … its nice to see that at least a few other folks have NOT been blinded by the blindingly obvious or intimidated into the usual fawning, pretermitting (look it up crackpipe) or an ‘empowering’ (nice feminazi word that) silence by the fear of racial spoils scum disgustingly screeching ‘racist’.
Nice factual “rant” mate!!
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
@ the smug mental midget GPC
WTF was that??? @ 11.39
try taking the whole bottle at once bubbaturd!! it should help! you sure need it!!
By Jonathon Swift
July 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
Dear Mr. TFTT —
You are likely correct that this Cpt. Freedom fellow is an inveterate racist. A modest proposal, indeed. Shocking.
As for myself, I really do favor cooking and eating poor people.
Yours,
J Swift
By GPC
July 18, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
tftt,
It was above your level of comprehension. I don’t dumb sentences down to “name calling” etc., so it’ll be difficult for us to chat.
Keep it moving —->
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
GADZOOKS - the snivelling moron impostor can’t spell Jonathan correctly.
But here’s a choice, unassailable piece of Swift culinary wisdom talking about Irish/FENIAN children from his 1729 classic A Modest Proposal
”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled …”
Was that “knowing American” perchance an ancestor of Col Sanders?
I suppose in today’s fast food dominated world Swift would have been compelled to suggest serving such a mouth watering repast with Big Mac sauce.
By Jonathon Swift
July 18, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
GADZOOKS — Am I to understand that I am not actually Jonathan Swift? Oh, the humanity.
huge twitty smirk
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
I don’t dumb sentences down to “name calling” etc.,
Boy that’s a relief, at least we have essentially the same approach then … neither do I you patronising supercilious dogturd. I simply deploy factual unassailable description.
Keep it moving —->
so that’s you butch types say to your yuppie rent boys in Buckhead!!
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
I don’t dumb sentences down to “name calling” etc.,
Boy that’s a relief, at least we have essentially the same approach then … neither do I you patronising supercilious dogturd. I simply deploy factual unassailable description.
Keep it moving —->
so that’s WHAT you butch types say to your yuppie rent boys in Buckhead!!
By Van
July 18, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
RCH,
You puzzle me, I never mentioned anything regarding Benoit and the awful tragedy that took place.
I am still waiting for the evidence to all come in before I pontificate about the death of these three people.
By Commander Guy
July 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Van said “I am still waiting for the evidence to all come in before I pontificate about the death of these three people.”
Don’t be ridiculous, Van. Why set a standard for behavior that would eliminate 95% of all posts on this board. Not to mention putting poor Jim out of a job. You’ve never held yourself to that standard before…why start now?
By RCH
July 18, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Van
Sorry, it was TFTT @ 11:32.
By time for the truth
July 18, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
I to understand that I am not actually Jonathan Swift?
Finally our resident poorly educated dickhead gets something right!!
huge spit in your eye smirk
By AmVet
July 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
JK,
Good points.
I forgot to end my post with the caveat that obviously this problem is not exclusively the domain of blacks nor am I indicting anyone but those it applies to.
As a native of Atlanta, I don’t think skin color is the primary indicator of trashy, disgusting, selfish, hateful behavior.
Granted and some of the violent white boneheads in “wrestling” are a good example of a counterpoint to the problem.
Violence is innate in America. Realistically, it can’t be eliminated, but it sure could be minimized if enough people speak out loudly enough. And set the right examples for our children. Education is the answer. The smarter people become the more likely they are to talk out their problems. Again, I know naive.
I’ve mentioned this before but I think we have our priorities backwards. In England, where I lived for 18 months, nudity and open sexuality is not banned by modern day Puritans. But neither is mindless and wanton violence, especially as it regards hand-guns and murders, adored in their media as it is in this country.
And that says volumes about us as a people.
By GPC
July 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
so that’s you butch types say to your yuppie rent boys in Buckhead!!
I can always tell when a poster is getting nervous.
By Southern Democrat
July 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
So when the Bush Administration’s own intelligence analysis notes that we are not safer today than we were September 10, 2001, and that our short-sighted alliance with Musharraf has allowed al Qaeda to regroup in the Pakistani tribal region, does that mean that a few of my saner conservative friends on this blog will acknowledge that we need a drastic foreign policy shift beyond “stay the course”?
For the millionth time, those that continue to support the current policies are lumped in my mind with those who defended the morals of Bill Clinton.
By Van
July 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Commander Guy,
Again, blogs do not give themselves to a sense of humor. It is indeed difficult to sound pompous and dogmatic in words alone.
I do agree, this is not my style, or lack thereof, I tend to back up my points when I can with different sources, usually other print media or some other form. I do post my opinions and like all opinions, especially GPC’s, they tend to get blasted.
Speaking of GPC, I do wish he would lookup the Supreme courts decision regarding the Florida election farce, that 7-2 ruling(Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000)) was mostly overlooked and instead the media focused on the follow up 5-4 ruling on what to do about the recounts.
By HAROLD
July 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
NEED SOME DOGS OR FISH KILLED?
YOU CAN DO IT. WE CAN HELP.
By stephendecatur
July 18, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
So now when will Decatur get on the bandwagon and puhleeeeeze rid us of Swanton Heights and Allen Wilson Terrace!!!!
By Pompano
July 18, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Gwinnett PD has had to create a special unit just to deal with Section 8 complaints in the county. This program is destroying all of the older subdivisions that ring the perimeter. You can add to the cost of this program the reduction in property values once a Section 8 family moves into the neighborhood. All it has accomplished is to move the criminals closer to their intended victims.
By BS Aplenty
July 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
While I wish good fortune to DebbieDoneRight when the man runs her out of Techwood Homes I just hope she stays away from my neighborhood. Tough enough to keep the dogs out of the trash…
By catlady
July 18, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, thanks for the info from the WSJ.
Captain, I wasn’t being flip. Truly, where do the 18% go who cannot qualify for Section 8? Do they go to surrounding counties to get into their housing projects? Do they move in with relatives? Do they live on the street? I am sure SOMEONE is paid to do followup.
How much does Section 8 pay for private housing vs. how much it costs to provide housing in housing projects? My impression is that Section 8 costs the taxpayer 3-4x what housing projects cost in direct rental subsidy. Who knows about this?
And yes, I think that Atlanta does move folks onto Section 8 to farm them out to the “rich” surrounding counties. Great plan, huh? The counties try to palm off folks to Grady, and Atlanta tries to “redirect” folks to Cobb, Gwinnett, etc.
In my county, race is not an issue with the few housing projects. But we still see the same multigenerational use of them, year after year, dropout after dropout, teenage pregnancy after teenage pregnancy. Seems like relatively few move up. Can we send them to Atlanta to be “fixed”?
By WTF
July 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Van, GiveProperCredit is correct that the changes in the public housing system began under President Clinton. It’s a fact. Doesnt’ mean that the Bush Administration hasn’t had a hand in events since he became President but you can’t just say “all good things come of Republicans” and “all bad things come of Democrats”. That’s just either incredibly ignorant or naive.
By RCH
July 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
WTF Actually the changes were brought about by a Republican Congress lead by Newt. It was one of his 10 points pledged to the American people.
By Van
July 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
WTF,
Yes, I do agree that not all bad things come from liberals, just most of them. I use FDR as an example. As a Democrat he had many good ideas. I think the CCC was a great way of taking kids off the streets and making them produce something good with their lives. But as a liberal, he was dangerous. His threats to pack the supreme court until it started deciding in his favor was as close as a junta as we have ever come.
By BS Aplenty (On a more serious note)
July 18, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
It will be interesting to watch how these public housing projects are “re-developed” after this political largesse is implemented. I’ll venture a guess that a developer(s) has been lusting after these in-town public housing projects and has now found willing political allies in the AHA.
I’d like to think the Ms. Glover’s & the AHA’s motivation is altruistic but in politics it’s wise to follow the money trail.
By harold
July 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
SAVE TEH FISHES AND DOGS AND PPL
SHUT DOWN AQUARIUM AND DOME AND UNDERGROUND AND MAKE CASINO$ INSTEAD
By Adam
July 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
GiveProperCredit, WTF and others
The huge changes we have seen in public housing over the past 15 years are a result of authorization of the HUD HOPE IV Act of 1992. Under this legislation, local Housing Authorities have succeeded in eliminating housing projects across the country like Atlanta’s Techwood and Chicago’s Cabrini-Green and many others.
The HOPE IV program (Homeownership and Opportunity for People Everywhere) was created and proposed by HUD under Jack Kemp during the George Bush Sr administration. It has been successful beyond anyone’s imagination despite continued resistance from groups claiming advocacy for the poor. These groups have done everything in their power to try to continue the concept of large concentrated welfare projects as it was a source of political power for them.
In fairness, the program really took off under Henry Cisneros who was HUD Secretary during the Clinton administration. However, it was created during Bush I.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Dear harold @ 12:50, funny line, my compliments.
Dear BS @ 2:10, great thought, I am embarrassed that the “follow the money trail” argument, which I use for everything else involving government, did not cross my mind here. I am willing to assume Ms. Glover and the AHA are mere “useful idiots” rather than corrupt participants.
By unterhunt
July 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
Oh, we know what crosses your mind and what passes for thought, moron.
Nobody’s interested in your fraud, Dr. J.
J for Jackle
bwa.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, Southern. Are the “Bush Administration’s own intelligence” analysts who note that we are not safer today than we were September 10, 2001, the same ones who did such a fine job on 9/10/2001? Not that I would advocate an attitude of “don’t just do something, stand there,” but I am unpersuaded that change for the sake is change is always an improvement. We have lost fewer lives, and in a longer war, than practically any other in our nation’s history; it could have been much worse.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
Dear unterhund @ 2:48, you sound just like Wally Cox.
By Captain Freedom
July 18, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw: It could have been much worse.
At last, a slogan that encapsulates the very essence of Our Leader’s Global War on Terror and Swarthy People. The Captain wishes he had thought of it himself.
Because and well, sure, many of the events that the Cassandras of the bedwetting left foretold have indeed occurred. But what the sob sisters miss is that NOT ALL of the bad things the hand wringers prognosticated have come to pass. And as such, we are really much better off than the America haters would wish.
These are indeed fitting words for a tombstone:
George W Bush
President, 2001 - ???
He Could Have Done Much Worse
May we see them engraved and in place soon.
By deegee
July 18, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
That the area in Grant Park is being redeveloped has less to do with conservatives and liberals than it does with real estate values. East Lake was razed and redeveloped in 1995. Techwood Homes was razed and redeveloped when Olympic housing was needed. It should be no surprise that Grant Park property is now worth enough to investors as a mixed use project than it is to the City of Atlanta as a public housing project.
Housing choice vouchers have been around since 1974 in order to move qualified public housing tenants into privately held housing. The only news here is that JW is making it look like some sort of a compassionate conservative crusade.
By jbmlaw
July 18, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Indeed Captain @ 3:07, as you note, “that NOT ALL of the bad things the hand wringers prognosticated have come to pass.” In truth, it is difficult to think of ANYTHING the hand wringers prognosticated that came to pass. Great observation.
By TS
July 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
Oh great Wooten.
Shirley Shirley
Wassup, really?
How does your garden grow?
Out!
Just like a dumb-o-crat—push your problems off on somebody else.
By Adam
July 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
I sometimes think I am as cynical as they come, however I think BS Aplenty and jbmlaw have me beat on the AHA subject.
The results that Rene Glover and AHA have achieved so far are nothing short of amazing. You don’t have to wait to see what replaces the demolished projects, go out and see for yourselves. In Atlanta, Carver Homes, Techwood, Perry Homes, East Lake and several others have been replaced with developments that are light years beyond what was before. If there has been impropriety in funding, I haven’t heard the charge and I feel sure there are more than enough inquiring eyes and minds.
I am a strong conservative advocate of smaller government, however this turnaround has been a welcome change. Clayton County may have suffered as a result, but Atlanta is certainly better off.
By BS Aplenty
July 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Re: Adam
Nice summary - thanks from the cheap seats.
By deegee
July 18, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
What’s in it for the politicians? A tax base.
By @@
July 18, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
Oh nooooo Jim!!!
I’m a resident of Clayton County which is majority African American. I have no problem with that, I’m still here and enjoy friendly relationships with most all of my neighbors. The couple next door (white) gets on my nerves always complaining about the neighbors. I wonder if he’s talking about me?
Anyhoo, I have just heard that Eldrin Bell(D), Chairman of our BOC is encouraging and offering our county as one of those where the vouchers can be put to good use.
Here’s the problem though. The homeowners (I did mention the demographics, didn’t I) are outraged. Chairman Bell may have just cost himself the next election along with the other democratic board members.
Have no fear, the people elected to replace them will be Democrats. It’s difficult to teach old democrats new tricks.
Having voted Democrat in the past, I haven’t seen any new approaches from them during the years I’ve been voting. Same old solutions to the same old problems.
I guess it’s what THEY call “tried and true” performance.
I know you said this was a conservative move, but dang Jim…politics sure can look cloudy sometimes.
I guess I’ll just suit up for the storm that’s coming, but Sheriff Victor is short with his nose stuck up in the air. Maybe he’ll drown and Jeff Turner can assume the Sheriff’s responsibilities.
Oops, he already has. My bad.
By Bruce McMillian
July 18, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
It is down right disgraceful when conservatives such as Wooten attempt to steal a Democratic concept that was originated under the Clinton Administration in 1993. Henry Cisneros was the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development at the time, whereas Hope VII was born. Unfortunately, the program today is being used to cleanse the inner cities of poor blacks to make move for middle and upper class whites. Keep in mind, these are the same whites that constantly trashed the images of the inner cities until they discovered that living in the suburbs was a past thinking way of life. Therefore, Mr. Wooten should learn to educate himself before wrongfully expresses an opinion.
By Adam is full of ...
July 18, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
Adam wrote, “I am a strong conservative advocate of smaller government”
Bullshiit!
By The Republican JFK
July 18, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
Ask Not How Much Worse Your Country Could Do For You, Ask How Much Worse You Could Do For Your Country.
By Benen
July 18, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
Following up on jbmlaw’s post, we’re still engaged in a major national debate about Iraq. If polls are any indication, one side is clearly winning that debate, but both sides are capable of articulating policies with which reasonable people can disagree:
Get out of Iraq, the sooner the better — The war is a disaster and our continued presence in Iraq is making things worse. For the sake of our national security, we need to get the troops out.
Keep the troops in, indefinitely — There have been problems in Iraq, but if we withdraw, conditions will deteriorate further.
The problem, which is widely understood but rarely stated, is that those arguing the latter point have been wrong. About everything. Literally.
Every challenge, every question, every assumption, every prediction — Bill Kristol has been completely wrong. So has Dick Cheney, Joe Lieberman, and the vast majority of Republican members of Congress.
Now, just because someone has been wrong 100 times out of 100 tests doesn’t necessarily mean that he or she will get the 101st one wrong, too. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
But it’s worth keeping this in mind because we’re not engaged in a debate in which both sides have equal credibility. War supporters were spectacularly wrong before the war, they were equally wrong during the war, and now they believe their perspective should be taken seriously about the future of the war.
I’m not sure why.
By yo
July 18, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
The only reason I read this is to see what Redneck Convert is going to say. The pardody he (or she) uses in slicing and dicing the Ugly American Christian Taliban types which make up the majority of this board is unmatched. The funniest is when the targets of the parody misconstrue its meaning, much like my Georgia inlaws regarding anything involving cynicism or sarcasm. Seriously why can’t Billy Bob think beyond slapstick humor, or, as here, straightforward invective towards all things peceived “librul”. Too funny. Gotta get back to Mass.
By MDinDFW
July 18, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, I must say if you deem yourself any kind of pundit on political and social issues in America, you could hardly be proud of the comments you have received in this blog. I have never read a more consistently depressing, sociopathic, hate-filled bunch of dreck in my entire life. It makes me terrified that the individuals above have the right to vote.
It’s amazing how easy it is for insecure, resentful cowards to act like officious bigshots in the privacy of their own homes, sitting on their sofas in their jammies. The internet has given us many gifts, but nothing is more terrifying than the deranged, hidden feelings that emerge from scores of closet psychopaths across the U.S. in these blogs.
Mr. Wooten, the next time you express surprise at the latest news of some tragic mass homicide, school shooting, or bomb threat, look no further than your blog for the evidence. If these values are what you are attempting to propagate via your sanctimonious, biased pedantry, then I’m more than proud to continue to vote Democratic.
By unterhunt
July 18, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Relax, MDINDFW, Wooten’s rollin’
By Brady B
July 18, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
…you could hardly be proud of the comments you have received in this blog. I have never read a more consistently depressing, sociopathic, hate-filled bunch of dreck in my entire life. It makes me terrified that the individuals above have the right to vote. It’s amazing how easy it is for insecure, resentful cowards to act like officious bigshots in the privacy of their own homes, sitting on their sofas in their jammies. The internet has given us many gifts, but nothing is more terrifying than the deranged, hidden feelings that emerge from scores of closet psychopaths across the U.S. in these blogs.
I agree with you MDinDFW -
By 06
June 25, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
Let’s see. The redneck anti immigration wing of the Republican party lost 10 points worth of immigrant votes in 06 for the party. Enough to turn over seats in the senate and congress. Go ahead you less than intelligent cretins. Keep it up. Go for 20 points…no let’s make it 30 for the 08 elections. You bigots are going to hate 08. And if you don’t wise up and understand what kind of immigration bill you will get then, then you deserve to have it shoved deep and broke off in ya.
There we have it. People who just want immigration LAW to actually take effect are bigots and racists. That’s a deep thought, isn’t it? I really liked the deep and broke off comment. That’s deep liberal thought man.
By BS Aplenty
July 18, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
MDinDFW
I take offense - my derangement has been out of the closet for years !!
Welcome to America, pal.
By MDinDFW
July 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Re:BS Aplenty
I take offense - my derangement has been out of the closet for years !!
Marvelous! Another brilliant, thoughtful response. How ironic! How creative! How subversively witty and fashionably cynical!
My only thought after reading this: QED.
By Wes
July 19, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
Jim,
I think essentially everyone agrees that large-scale housing projects were a huge mistake and are quickly being made a thing of the past, but you somewhat misrepresent the generosity of the Housing Choice Vouchers program.
You accurately describe the requirements that people must meet to be eligible for the program, but you completely leave out the fact that not all who are eligible actually receive the subsidy. Most large cities have HUGE waiting lists that result in families waiting several years to receive a voucher, if they ever get one at all. In fact, recent research on the program indicates that only 1 in 4 eligible families EVER receive assistance.
While the model for the program is great, it always get underfunded and thus doesn’t serve that many people. So rather than your contention that the program is some form of conservative salvation for housing policy, it’s actually a way to throw people out of public housing projects without giving them anything in return.
As I said, H.C. vouchers would be a GREAT program if only Congress would pony up the money to actually make it work. Of course then I suppose conservatives would have to come out against it (since spending money equals communism or something). Interesting dilemma…