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By harold

July 11, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

The date for failure in Iraq is today and every day. A withdrawal date is something different. It puts and end to the failure, at least for the Americans.

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

The Wpresident DOES have two legacies, but you mistyped.. They are LIES and CORRUPTION.

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

The president is our employee serving at our pleasure. He is working on a gargantuan project with no deadline. He can at least give us some benchmarks.

If Harold were in charge, he would have been Wfired for lack of progress (if nothing else) quite a while ago.

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

One could even say W and Failure aren’t setting a date.. They are married! What must Laura think? And we though Mitt Romney was the only Mormon in Washington.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

July 11, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim,

You’re right on target. The Democrats are clearly to blame here.

Yep. No dobut about it. The Democrats have really messed up this time.

Too bad GW and Dick can’t run this country in private like it ought to be run. That way, they could just do things and get them done. Do-bees. That’s what GW and Dick are.

Who cares about democracy.

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Welcome to Thinking Right With Harold.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Harold Does a withdrawal date put an end to failure or does it create it?

Why not tell the enemy that we will stick the course untill Iraq is stable. Meanwhile attack those countries who support the terrorist with terror of our own. It would be difficult to cause problems in Iraq while your trying to guard against turmoil in your own country.

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

As Harold stated, a withdrawal date puts and end to failure for the Americans.

The Iraqis are stuck with our failure for a very long time no matter what we do.

They have been stuck with the failure of the West since 1942 and will be stuck with our failure until Iraq becomes parts of Iran and Turkey.

Iran will be the only winner here. George W is Iran’s best friend.

By For the Record

July 11, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten:

Please give Bush/Cheney their due on legacy. Historians will long remember the administration’s fondness for torture and extraordinary rendition, their failure to respect the civil liberties of American citizens, their usurption of legistlative perogatives, the corruption and devastation of the Justice Department by their political incompetents, their turning back the clock vis. minority voting rights, the increase in American poverty under their auspices, the failure to provide health care for American children, their war on science and public health, and the near total destruction of America’s image around the world.

Somewhere, the ghost of Franklin Pierce is smiling …

By jbmlaw

July 11, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I don’t know why Jim has a problem with the Congressional Democrats’ campaign to implement a massive bloodbath in the Middle East. Sure millions of innocents will die needlessly, but the leftist mantra has always been that mass murder is an appropriate way to control the population. Thus the surrender in Vietnam, and the current five-year domestic campaign of aid and comfort for the terrorists roaming the Middle East. (Have you ever heard a progressive condemn the suicide bombers with the same vitriol normally reserved for Abu Graib?) The last thing Democrats would want is policy designed to ensure victory over the killers, as that would obviate a need for larger government.

Perhaps I am wrong, though. Do any of our resident progressives wish to win the war in Iraq? (Exclude AmVet and Southern Democrat – your bona fides are good.) If so, how would you go about winning?

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

RCH, what you and Dubai seem not to realize is that Iraq IS the enemy.

By Curious Observer

July 11, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Maybe Senators Snowe and Smith hear the roar of an approaching election. Ditto for other Republican senators who’ve suddenly discovered that they have the backbone to oppose this war.

It’s called a representative democracy, Wooten. If 70 percent of this country is opposed to this war, sooner or later the electorate is going to turn the war’s supporters out of office. GW can’t run for reelection, and Cheney won’t run for the presidency, thanks be to God.

You neocons may view the world from a high horse, but there’s an angry constituency out there ready to turn you out of office, restore fiscal sanity to the country, withdraw our troops from Iraq, restore integrity to the Supreme Court, and impose a fair system of taxation, not to mention the development of humane health care coverage for all citizens.

You’re really going to hate ‘08, but until then, you can feel free to feign high moral principles and superior intellect. After all, what do the mere people know?

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

But anyway, no matter what happens, Dubai will keep on with his plan:

Stay The Course until you can Blame The Democrats

By harold

July 11, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

harold is not forced to surrender a third of his income to suicide bombers

the bombers harold pays for have fancy airplanes and can do their dirty work remotely

By RCH

July 11, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Harold 92% of Iraq’s support our involvement up to a point. Lets give them a square playing field and then leave them as friends.Or as my friend jbmlaw has pointed out do you want another bloodbath as in Vietnam and Cambodia?

By GodHatesTrash

July 11, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

The Iraqis ran in 2002.

Our glorious generals drove their tanks into downtown Baghdad, and took victory laps around the statue of Saddam before they tore it down.

Al Qaeda had us right where they wanted us, the gawdamn fool Dumbya placed our soldiers in harm’s way without a plan or a clue. Then the real war started, the kind of war that our army has proven time and time again that it cannot win. Asymmetrical warfare - a patient enemy that picks its own battlefields, its own timing, its own weaponry, a war of attrition.

Like Vietnam, we will win every battle. Like Vietnam, the fact that we are stupid enough to fight that kind of war the way we are fighting it means we will lose.

Woo-ten Klan rednecks, you consider yourselves people of honor… how honorable is it to kill innocent civilians by the truckload and then look stupid and incompetent while you do it?

If we withdraw, hundreds of thousands may die. If we stay hundreds of thousands may die. You morons are clueless, you don’t know.

But If we leave, it won’t be Americans dying, or killing civilians. And we won’t look like stupid stumpbroke vengeful trash.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

RCH: Dubya’s Failure was prevalent the day we invaded a soveriegn nation who didn’t attack us. That Failure has created a massive backlash in predominantly Muslim nations and a massive backlash from then moderate Muslims who have now turned militant.

Dubya’s Failure has now changed America’s legacy from one of a powerful semi-peaceful country run by strong, determined intelligent men; to a country that is seen through the eyes of the world as a bully, ran by a dictatorial, oppressive chimpanzee and his flying monkeys.

Dubya’s Failure will be a blight not only on our own American History but the World’s History for centuries to come.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Jim: Seek help!! Your dementia is getting worse and worse every day. Pretty soon, you’re going to start blaming Democrats for Scooter Libby, Abramahoff, WMD’s, “Mission Accomplished”, and Hurrican Katrina (Brownie’s doing a great job!), too.

By Jackie

July 11, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Senators Domenici, Lugar and Voinovich have publicly announed their desires to leaves Iraq. Senators Smith, Sunnu, Coleman, Collins, Snow, Warner, Haegal, Alexander, Lott and McConnell have implied their desire to have our troops out of that shooting gallery. The National Security advisor for Ronald Reagan indicates that the US should leave Iraq today and if resisted by Dubya, impeach him and Cheyney. Is this a cut-and-run tactic being employed by the Dems? Recruitment for the Army is down by 20% in the last two months and a large majority of retired military generals has indicated that Army is nearly broken with the National Guard broken. The estimated time to put this component of our military back in place will take 10 years. The number of soldiers wounded have been more than 25,000 with a majority of them amputees. The surge began six months ago and has not had an impact on the increased violence; it has only served to get more of our people killed. We are spending more than $12 billion per month on Iraq/Afghanistan with the $60 billion allocated in January almost used. Borrow money from China to spend on a war for Oil. When will the Repubs stand up and impeach this criminal administration?

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Stay The Course until you can Blame The Democrats

Harold: Debbie’s feeling ya!!

By Redneck Convert

July 11, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m just flabbergasted that so many people don’t like this war in Iraq. Against the people that come over here and kilt 3,000 of our people. Everybody knows they was sent by this Saddam guy but nobody admits it. They pertend Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Well, they are flat out wrong.

So what if the CIA and My President got it wrong about Iraq getting the big weapons? Everybody makes mistakes now and then. We can’t get out now anyway. We are sort of on the tigers back and if we get off he will eat us. So I guess we need to stay 100 yrs. or so. Besides, Clinton made mistakes and that gives My President the right to make them. At least My President ain’t dropping his drawers in the oval office with some intern. Sure, its a pity so many solders are getting kilt or banged up, but at least we got high moral standards. Which would you rather see, a few thousand troops getting kilt or a president having sex in the oval office? Besides, I don’t know any of the troops.

I was awful glad to see Captain Freedom back on this blog yesterday. He sure knows how to give the libruls the what-for. Sometimes he uses words that are too big, but I think I follow his drift. He’s with us on killing the towel heads and saving us from the libruls.

I hope poor TFTT is in the hospitle right now getting the treatment he needs. Poor guy. Its hard enough to make it in this world even with a sane mind. It must be awful to go through it being a little touched in the head.

And I hope this Pope Rednecks gets banned here. He’s a desgrace to us real rednecks. I wish he would find a job over in England and just stay there. It would be a lot of justice. They send us TFTT, so we send them our crazy in return.

By getalife

July 11, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

The Iraqi government met no benchmarks set. Instead of a two month vacation, they are taking August off.

Since w is a coward and will not admit it is a failed occupation, the Dems will try again to force a withdrawal.

More wasted American lives and billions of our money wasted until w decides to withdraw before the election to try to save the gop.

By Dennis

July 11, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

In his column today, Mr. Wooten attempts to use the Democrats as an excuse for the failures of George W. Bush, “Democrats are determined to use this Congress as a two-year pre-election campaign.”

One can wonder why he doesn’t have Tony Snow’s job.

Of such irresponsibility and skewing the truth is Mr. Wooten’s claim to journalism; never mind the facts, it’s the lies that count.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By harold

July 11, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

The big problem is that Iraq was lost the day we invaded. Withdrawing or staying longer doesn’t change that, it just kills more Americans.

A withdrawal date is not a failure date, it’s a date to admit the existing failure.

Denying our failure does not mean we have not failed miserably.

By sct

July 11, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

What I love is the denial…. “President George W. Bush, whose poll numbers are in danger of dropping to the levels of Congress,….”

This is looking at a glass as being half full when in fact the glass is empty.

If that is what Republicans are counting on in ‘08 they are in trouble.

How many Dems running for re-election are running away from bad Congressional polls? Maybe its not the Dems in Congress the public is against. It seems the Congressional Republicans are the ones fearing for their re-elections. Why? Go ahead, roll them dice.

Speaking of polls, how about them weak willed Republicans Isakson and Chambliss on immigration. Wow. Classic examples. Hope Chambliss saved his re-election.

Oh and how about weak knee Republicans like La’s Vitter? Another classic.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Debbiedoright Do we have to wait to be invaded before we attack? Did we not make that same mistake before WWII? Lets wipe out the enemy before he gets that chance.

If 92% of the Iraq people support us, why should we be concerned with what other Muslim countries belief. It seems that only the militant voice is heard anyway.Moderate muslims are to frightened to stand up against the few extremist. If you watched the PBS special on FOX you will know what I mean.And if you belief that when we leave Iraq the violence against us will stop, I have some ocean front property in Alpharetta to sell you. The extremist Muslims have made it well known what their mission is. Total Shea law in all the world. That includes where you live!

By harold

July 11, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

RCH, it’s 92% of the Iraqi people IN MICHIGAN who say they support the war, but they only say that because they are scared they will get sent to Guantanamo Bay Cuba if they express disapproavil

and who in the heck thinks leaving iraq will end violence against the US? nobody belives that. staying wont end it either, though. iraq has nothing to do with that.

americans will stop getting killed in iraq on a daily basis once we leave. that’s it. if we arent there, they cant kill us there. huh.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Harold Your right. If we leave Iraq we won’t get killed there. We will just get killed somewhere else. You yourself said so. Lets train the Ira1q military and security forces to take care of themselves and at the same time strike hard against our enemies.

It has been more than 60 years since WWII. Do we still not have bases in Germany and Japan. Do you not know that violence continued long after that war was won?

The terrorist has learned their lessons well from Vietnam. Can we win? Yes. Will we win,that remains to be seen.

By TW

July 11, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

His legacy will be only that he put a woman in the White House.

Thanks for acknowledging the existence of the Iraq war today…that must have hurt.

By We have a WINNER!

July 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Today’s big fat ugly lie of the day is brought to you by jbmlaw, the lawyer to call when you don’t care whether you live, die, or spend the next 80 years in prison for a speeding ticket:

”..the leftist mantra has always been that mass murder is an appropriate way to control the population.”

jbmlaw wins a free lunch at Rightie’s Choke On This Pig Bar-be-Que in Greater Smyrna, even though he says there’s no such thing as a free lunch. The sponsors suggest you order the Salmonella Chicken Salad Croissant. It’s YUMMY!

If you have a bigger, uglier, nastier, more divisive LIE to spew upon your fellow Americans in an effort to shield those responsible from accountability, please wait until tomorrow to submit it. Congratulations, jbmlaw!

By WTF

July 11, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw - I think the reason you don’t hear progressives speaking out about suicide bombers as much as they have about Abu Graib is because the progressives you’re referring to are Americans and therefore are exercising their responsiblity to speak out against actions perpetrated by Americans. They can’t control what suicide bombers are doing in the Middle East, but as citizens of a democracy here in the United States they can use their freedom to speak out against inappropriate activity when it is perpetrated by their own government. And by the way, are conservatives speaking out forcefully about suicide bombers, because if they are I’ve missed it. Having said that, I just have to add that your comment implying that “leftists” support mass murder is an incredibly ridiculous statement that only serves to lessen my respect for your viewpoint — a viewpoint I often disagree with but appreciate for its thoughtfulness and lucidity.

By Dusty

July 11, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

That’s right, Jim Wooten. Stand up and do what is right,just like the President. Americans need to stand up and say this country is worth fighting for.

There is nothing more disgraceful than this bunch of crybabies, cowards, retreaters, “thoughtful good-for-the- country traitors” and the phony “cute as a button” deceiver liberals.

They all think they are on a march. They are. Straight towards the biggest retreat since Viet Nam with it’s bloody legacy in history.

They want to hold up this suggested retreat as some sort of victory by poll. (EVERYBODY wants it so run and make the country, the troops and all Americans look like timid twits ready to be herded and slaughtered.)

All Americans have NOT been polled. Unless most Americans have changed 100%, they still cherish freedom and will fight for it against terrorists who would take it away.

The biggest step toward overtaking the USA is going on right now in Iraq. The biggest push for RETREAT is going on in a Congress led by tearful Democrats.

Americans need to be more vocal in their support of our fighting and dying troops. Dying for THIS country. Those who are too timid to stand up for their country, please take your box of Kleenex and GET OUT OF THE WAY!

By We have a WINNER!

July 11, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Dusty, can’t you READ? jbmlaw is today’s winner. You can try again tomorrow, but you should get some better material. Your lies aren’t even good.

By harold

July 11, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

the way to win iraq is to leave it be so it can turn into an “evil” state again and be attacked and invaded right.

we are in a fight against a “friend” and that never works. see jerry springer for all the evidence you want.

leave iraq and they wont attack us, they will kill each other. that is what dubai wants, but he wants to pin in on the democrats so we are still there taking US fatalities daily so he can blame the democrats

By WTF

July 11, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

While I’m personally conflicted on the idea of a withdrawal date, I think that anyone such as Mr. Wooten who is attacking Democrats for their opposition to the President’s policies (as well as those Americans who support the Dems position) has to recognize that the President muddied the waters on this issue when he was deceptive in leading the nation to war (not to absolve those Members of Congress who voted in favor without actually reading the reports, etc). If the President is serious about finding a solution to this war that doesn’t leave the US with egg on its face, then perhaps he needs to go before the people and acknowledge that so far there have been many aspects of this war and the period leading up to it that could have and should have been handled differently, and then commit himself to conducting the war in an open and honest manner. I don’t think this will ever happen, but Americans are a forgiving people who I think genuinely want success in Iraq — both for the US and for the Iraqis — but the President has to drop the bravado and become a statesman instead of a politican hack for that to happen.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw @ 9:30: First we are NOT AT WAR. Congress is the only entity that can declare war and they haven’t done it yet, (The language of Article I, section 8, is quite clear: only Congress has the authority to declare war).

Iraq is a military blunder of monumental proportions. We “broke” it; against the advice of hundreds of real live war strategists and combat commanders, (Colin Powell, et al.); so now we are left to “fix” it.

We’ve tried throwing the band-aide at the problem by promoting democracy, that didn’t work,(the Iraqi’s elected mostly religious leaders selecting a theocracy instead); we’ve flown in millions of dollars to patch up the damage to the infrastrucure, (we lost it Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone?”).

How can we “win” the “War In Iraq”? We can’t. Check your history.

By DJ

July 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Wooten. Republicans. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. That’s the strategy.

Only a kool-aid drinking ideologue would think there is one shred of positivity in SHRUB’s legacy. That’s right up there with thinking Anne Coulter has anything relevent to say.

By Republican Senators Continue to Obstruct Popular Bills

July 11, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

As pointed out yesterday, Congress’ poll numbers are low because Senate Republicans are blocking nearly every piece of legislation on the Democrats’ agenda with threats of filibuster (with such threats, it would take 60 votes – not 51 to legislate).

The House has actually been extremely productive, but unfortunately, the minority in the Senate is preventing progress on popular issues such as implementing the 9/11 Report recommendations to secure ports/chemical and nuclear plants, ethics reforms, ability to negotiate drug prices for Medicare and others.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

July 11, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Debbie,

We can’t win, but GW and Dick sure can. All of their buddies are doing GREAT!.

Energy stocks are soaring. Defense contractor are making a killing. The religious right is sleeping good knowing that a born-again Christain is in the White House. Corporate America has unfetterd access to government.

Life is good…if you’re a right wing paranoid religious freak.

By DD

July 11, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

It’s a felony to lie to Congress about WMDs. Bush should be censored and tried.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Wooten.

By Drive-by Media

July 11, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Notice how the Right’s rhetoric has shifted toward the talking points I provided in my “We aint never gonna git out of Iraq” and “We can never leave, ever”, blogs?

I guess I do have an audience: talk radio hosts and GOP partisan pundits.

The right is stopping just short of saying that, but soon the American People will realize it, and then watch out.

The sound-bitten consequences of a pullout that Hannity, Rush, Bush, and Kissinger and McCain describe need only be taken one step further in logic: “If we pull out, (before the job is done), then….”

Well, those consequences have been impending for 10K years. Thus, we can deduce that those consequences of pulling out will exist for another 10k years. So we can NEVER pull out.

The right will soon blunder, as I have set them up to do, into admittng that we cant ever leave.

Cause what the Right is saying when they say, “..get the job done”, is an end to the 10K year old tribal feuds.

Let me Define the mission of US troops in Iraq: “To end the ten thousand year old enmities that make men slaughter each other over sand”.

What is war, people?

I try so hard to explain why we cant leave. I have to deal with the lessons of the socio-historical immigration of tribes into adjacent territories, and how that translates into modern enmities.

The Persians were constantly migrating outward with military missions. I have to define those missions as history judged them, and then extrapolate the lessons learned to the mission of our own troops in Iraq.

What I have deduced is very upsetting and frightening, and that’s why nobody wants to believe it.

But listen to Rush, listen to Bush, Listen to Kissinger. They’re seizing on the bait I sent them. My words have worms and cookies and m&m’s and everthing.

They are sounding more and more like me:

We aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq. We are there forever. It’s our 51st state. New Alabama. It’s a red state with a green thumb right up Osama’s azz.

To help yourself understand Iraq: Remember that the tribal feuds are 10K years old. Why would they end just because we pull out? So what the USA is faced with now is either staying in Iraq and foot-patrolling the neighborhoods to keep the peace, OR pulling out and letting 10K year old tribal feuders call in all their distant tribes to help them in Iraq. Distant tribes? Read China. Read any country where tribal links exist with Iraqis. That’s nearly all of them. It’s old. It’s so complex that we can be sure Bush didn’t understand them. Thus, we can know he’s incompetent, not evil.

I’ll be satisfied with an exiled Bush/Cheney. Let them go. We’ve got a country to save and a world to convince.

It’s Hillary in ‘08. Believe it. BTW: we want Hannity/Rush to pillary hillary. When their credibility is destroyed by the truth of our perpetual occupation of Iraq, then Hillary will seem like America’s only choice. Landslide.

Now we’ve got to get free access to healthcare for all Iraqis…I mean Americans, but then I repeat myself.

Now it’s on to chicago and we’ll win there……BOOM!.. they kilt PoFo…..

“…it’s getting dark….I feel cold….is someone baking bread…..I wasn’t even running for prez…..I forgot to duck….I’d rather be in Philidelphia…..I only regret that I have but one moron to give for my country……tell ma I always liked her apple pie…….ugh….castro is a bum…..”

Now he belongs to the ages…..

By Leave Iraq Now

July 11, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

I agree, let’s leave Iraq now. We should have left long ago.

I supported the decision to invade Iraq. I still think it was the right decision given the credible threat of WMD we were faced with. Please don’t trivialize the discussion with “Bush Lied” nonsense. It did not start with Bush. This intellegence failure goes back several administrations with Republicans and Democrats alike, Clinton included.

The population of Iraq toleratred Saddam for many years. They lived under his iron hand but accepted it as there was no resistance within to his bellicose posturing and attempts to dominate the region. As he boasted of nuclear capability and played coy with the UN, they rallied in the streets in support, burning the U.S flag shouting “Down with the Imperialists”. They didn’t like us then and apparently don’t like us now as our attempts to give them freedom have been met with great apathy among the citizens. If the people of Iraq are unwilling to step up and accept responsibility for their future by joining us in combating the terrorists, fine. Let them live under whatever conditions they want.

Our invasion was justified given the unknown threat that existed. Our Shock and Awe was quick, complete and successful as the vaunted Iraq military was thoroughly trounced. Once we toppled the regime (and symbolic statue) we should have continued the search for WMD. Finding none, we should have left immediately. The remaining citizens of Iraq could then be left to bomb each other, kill each other, eat each other, but we’re outta here. Just don’t rattle your tin sabre again threatening WMD.

Shock and Awe can be an effective deterrent to other dicators. North Korea, Iran and any others that proudly announce their intentions to develop WMD to threaten the world can expect to have the same severe rectal exam.

By Lily Toad

July 11, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

For those (like Wooten) who like to say that the public’s approval rating of Congress is lower than Bush’s approval — did you ever consider that’s because they haven’t ended the war yet?

By Lily Toad

July 11, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

For those (like Wooten) who like to say that the public’s approval rating of Congress is lower than Bush’s approval — did you ever consider that’s because they haven’t ended the war yet?

By time for the truth

July 11, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

the pinko sicko curious peeping tom pukes up one of the funniest leftist LIES in a long while … “restore integrity to the SC” … HA HA HA HA -LMFAO!!!

what peeping tom actually means in plain English is let’s get a couple of nasty smug activist liberal dogturds back on the court so the putrid lefties can hopefully continue/resume their general dominance of the court.

peeping tom, like virtually ALL of the sad lefties on here is so pathologically sick and twisted and brimming with irrational Bush hate and GOP derangement syndrome it simply cannot EVER be honest!!!

harold needs to stop drinking so heavily so early in the morning - alcoholism makes you very unpatriotic and a simpering pathetic cowardly doltish hate America defeatist!!

NONE OF THE gutless cut and run LEFTIES ON HERE have guiven one second’s thought (as if they even could) to ANY of the catastrophic consequences of their yellowbellied cowardice!! Just so long as their typical moron attention span poll driven lets defeat Bush any way we can demands are achieved.

inbred rednekkk needs to stick its pimply pussfilled pointy white supremacist head in a vat of liquid nitrogen!!

I see the increasingly odious and deranged black racist crackpipe has finally slithered back on here after a double shift on Stewart Ave. crackpipe’s abject pig ignorance about towel head terror and mohammedans is enormously amusing to behold. crackpipe retches up its witless twisted drivel ignoring virtually EVERY SINGLE historical fact!! “predominantly muslim nations” HA HA HA … in the middle east there is NOTHING else - except Israel!! what a patronising brainless stupid ignorant b itch!!

this sad worthless dogturd crackpipe dementedly IGNORES Soddom’s nazi like genocidal history and Soddom’s total unwavering refusal to cooperate with the craven appeasing corrupt to the core racist UN and the wilful aggressive violation of just the SEVENTEEN - obviously worthless UN resolutions that the biggest criminal fraud in global appeasing history - fittingly administered (smirk) by the UN - was designed to utterly circumvent.

Mr Wooten does NOT have dementia!! You LYING whoralicious cow crackpipe … go pay your pimp and STFU!!! (see its real easy to be personally abusive on here).

Its jolly good fun mirroring back the obsessive leftist Bush/GOP hate on here … thanks for making it possible!!!

By dawg_gone_truth

July 11, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

We have a winner what lie did dusty tell? I read his crazy opinions but see no lies, what is your agenda? How many here have served in Iraq? I have, here are a few of my observations

The Iraqi Army is a joke, all they know is corruption.

Iraqi Police, joke, mostly terrorist themselves.

Iraqi people for the most part, good decent hard working people beat into submission for many many years.

Sunnis have had riches, shiites had nothing homes.

I don’t want to see mass murder but its going to happen, one way or the other, the Saudis have said they will defend the sunnis, and Iran has said they will defend the Shia, so when we leave what you think is going to happen? I want our guys out too, but I don’t want us to have to ever go back, I would rather go back and finish the job as have my kids have to go in 5 to 10 years.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Debbiedoright The war in Iraq has already been won. The terrorism has not. Lets fight that war like it it is on our soil because it already is.

By George

July 11, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw at 9:30 doesn’t seem to know that it was a Republican president that ended the war in Vietnam.

By Drive-by Media

July 11, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

The power vacuum of any US pullout will be one hundred thousand times stronger than the pull of gravity.

The Dyson Pullout. It see a movie. Like the Bourne Supremacy.

Script: “The Dyson Pullout”

starring Chairman Mao, as the devil.

Vladimir Putin as the antichrist.

and Bush as the Beaver.

By Craig also

July 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

And by the way, all you who whine about Viet Nam, look at the place today. Not exactly a beacon of democracy perhaps, but increasingly becoming friendly to the United States. No doubt a better result than if we had stayed and sacrificed another 50,000 soldiers, as jbmlaw and Wooten wished.

By harold

July 11, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

thing is, the US can withdraw from Iraq and see what happens. We already see what happens when we stay there. if we withdraw and it somehow gets worse, well it was certainly easy enough to get there to begin with and would be quite easy to go there again would it not

dubya keeps trying things and just seeing what happens. he has no plan for anything. so why not try withdrawal and see what happens? if somethign worse than what’s ongoing happens, reinvade if necessary

occupation should not be permanent, and withdrawal need not be permanent if withdrawal is somehow less successful than staying

what is so hard about that?

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

RCH are you ok?

Debbiedoright Do we have to wait to be invaded before we attack? Did we not make that same mistake before WWII? Lets wipe out the enemy before he gets that chance.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements that I’ve ever read. Pre-emptive strikes works both ways. If Russia feels that we are a threat to them, they can take the same approach — “Let’s wipe out America before they do us”. I guess by your post I can see you did not pass Reason 101 in college.

If 92% of the Iraq people support us, why should we be concerned with what other Muslim countries belief.

RCH the Muslim religion is the most dominant religion in the world. There are more Muslims than Christians in the world, (70% compared to 24%); and they are interwoven throughout every nation in the world. That’s a LOT of people to p** off.

And if you belief that when we leave Iraq the violence against us will stop, I have some ocean front property in Alpharetta to sell you.

Since this ill planned invasion, the violence against the US has increased tenfold. Militants are recruiting moderates every day because of the illegal Iraqi invasion; using it as a “blueprint” on how they theorize that America is trying to convert and bully the world. This is a region which has historical reason to doubt the validity of the Chrisitian/US/Western world’s word, (Christian Crusades).

By Drive-by Media

July 11, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Lets see. What can I make Rush/Hannity say today? Let’s have some fun. Okay, they dont want to go so far as to admit that we cant ever leave iraq, cause they’d be hung by the certain mob-rule that info would create, so lets see if they can blame Gore for losing the election on purpose, that is, reverse cheating, taking a fall from certain victory, which would have prevented us from being in Iraq in the first place!!

Yes! Gore himself used the internet to place a virus in all the Diebold machines so that he would lose the election! Because Gore was a friend of the Osama bin Laden family and they told him about 911! so he didn’t want to have to start the war!!

That’s it!! Listening rush?

By Bush Misleads Public About Iraqi Threat

July 11, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Leave Iraq Now at 11:06 wrote, “Please don’t trivialize the discussion with “Bush Lied” nonsense. It did not start with Bush. This intellegence failure goes back several administrations with Republicans and Democrats alike, Clinton included.”

Dear sir or madam,

President Clinton never connected Iraq and Osama bin Ladin. You do remember Bush asking us to imagine Saddam Hussein sharing weapons of mass destruction with al Queda, do you not?

President Clinton never suggested that Iraq was a nuclear threat. You do remember continual references to a “mushroom cloud” over an American city, do you not?

These were not credible threats volunteered to the White House by the CIA. Our President and Vice President (with help from George Tenet, Donald Rumsfeld, Condolezza Rice and others) cherry-picked intelligence to support their aspirations.

President Bush eliminated the caveats (“We can’t sell this to Joe Public.”) and exaggerated the threat for public consumption. If you read the book, “Plan of Attack”, you’ll see that the White House also manipulated the intelligence for Congressional consumption as well.

In short, BUSH LIED, and I for one, would like to see him impeached.

By Dusty

July 11, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

We Have a Winner @ 10:46,

You are absolutely correct. jbmlaw is usually a winner. But I didn’t know we were playing games. Seems you are. Referee?? Trying to throw someone out the game?

Like Bobby Cox, you can throw one out of the game but the team keeps playing. The conservative team, thank you. And we are winners. We’ll support the war and the troops even with your miscalls.

So much for that. Liberals are purely tiresome. They need some new leaders to tell them what to say.

By time for the truth

July 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

RCH

it is utterly pointless even trying to ‘reasonably’ engage crackpipe - not only is it repeatedly viscerally personally abusive to Mr Wooten, which is boorish and pointless - but it is, as we see continuously, incapable of rational, informed debate. Its just another one of many far left nutters who equates cutting and running with a twisted pyhrric victory over Bush, regardless of the medium and long term consequences for the US and the west. Although given the deep, usually hysterical anti-American antipathy evinced by numerous supposed NATO allies perhaps the US should only really care about those that have consistently supported us in the liberation of Iraq and the war on towel head terror.

The best fun to be had on here is just mirroring back their abuse - albeit more wittily and sardonically than they are capable of.

These hateful appeasing lefties would have swiftly and resoundingly LOST WWII if they’d behaved like this, second guessing and undermining every single military/political move. Publishing policy and operational secrets etc. The Japs and the Nazis would have at least held what they had very bloodily conquered for a good while longer, until the leftist enemy within the continental US had been routed.

By dawg_gone_truth

July 11, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Harold What is hard about it is the infrastructure that we have built and the relationships with the people. When George Liar Sr during the first gulf war left the anti saddam shia’s in the south and the Kurds in the north to be wiped out by Saddam after liar promised them support, it was hard this time to convince them that we would stay and help if they rebuild. The Iraqi Army will fold within weeks of our pull out, everything we have built to support our military will be looted and when we reinvade its just that much more money and lives lost, and next time the friendly Iraqis won’t be so friendly after families have been slaughtered again. Iraqis are learning to be free, but we need them to set up an honest government, but hell we don’t have that here, we are damned if we do and if we don’t.

I’m somewhat torn here, had friends die there, don’t want their deaths to be in vain, but I also don’t want another American to die doing what an Iraqi soldier should do, what a mess. Sounds like the war my Dad fought in.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Debbiedoright Wipe out the enemy is a multi front battle. Economic, cultural, and militarily. You may have seen reports of turmoil in Iran. Lets just add a little fuel to the fire. Lets give aid to those who would overthrow this govt. Sound familiar? Lets use their own tactics against them.

Since most of the conflicts in the world involve Muslims, I believe its safe to assume that it is not the United states to blame for all the terrorism in the world. I believe it is the radical Muslims that have preached jihad and world domination. Not us.

We serve the best interst of the citizens of the United States. We should not serve to please others( Muslims) at their expense. I am tired of trying to buy friendship. I would rather have their respect.

By the way Che attempted to export his type of terrorism from Cuba to Bolivia. With a strong govt. and military we saw how unsuccessful he was.

By No More.

July 11, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Republicans got us into this war. Republicans have screwed up this war. Republicans have let their corporate buddies profit from this war. Republicans have allowed the cost of this war to balloon to over 10 billion dollars every month. Republicans have ignored the troops needs. Republicans have let the likes of Dick Cheney erode our basic liberties and rights. And we, the American people, have no one to blame but ourselves for standing by and letting them do it. It is time to fix this broken machine.

By Van

July 11, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Bush Misleads Public About Iraqi Threat

And Congress ate it up.

I guess you missed the televised statement from President Clinton in Dec, 1998

WASHINGTON (CNN) — From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

“Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons,”

As part of his message, President Clinton said:

“In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.”

So crawl back into your shell.

By Anonymous

July 11, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Why should Bush pay attention to what the American people want? He never has before.

Now everybody hush up and let Daddy Bush make all your decisions for you. You don’t know HOW to run a country, you silly things.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Debbiedoright The war in Iraq has already been won. The terrorism has not. Lets fight that war like it it is on our soil because it already is

RCH are you feeling o.k.? Let’s do a quick health check:

Do you seem a little light headed? Are you experiencing double vision? Are you seeing Ronald Reagan? Is he wearing underwear? Did he remember to put them on? Are your lower extremities working improperly? Can you move your left butt cheek to the beat of Baba Loo? Is Barbara Bush suddenly looking like a straight up fox to you? Do you have a sudden urge to go out and rent the DVD “Nixon”; denounce the Dixie Chicks and sing songs song by the Liberty University Choir? Do you think Dumbya is doing a good job? If you could, would you vote for him again?

If you’ve answered “yes” to any of these questions, please, please, PLEASE go immediately to the nearest strip club and try to get laid. You’ve been jerking off too long to Bush/Cheney politics and you’re totally getting f#cked by their rhetoric. I’m sorry to be the one who has to tell you.

By Drive-by Media

July 11, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Kissinger must read this blog to have come so close to my posts yesterday.

Kissinger is reading me. Wow. Lovin’ the internet.

Okay. Do not mention about why we are in Iraq. moot. we have to deal with reality now. We need a draft. We need our best and brightest in Iraq, not felons and old men.

A draft. If Hillary was prez, she would be courageous enough to draft a larger army for what needs to happen in Iraq: A policeman on every corner.

We need a million men in Iraq. (a million men? shouldn’t you predict more men? I mean, a million isn’t exactly a lot of men these days. China has a billion man army alone)

Okay, why dont you people tell me these things? I’ve been frozen for 50 years for jeebers sakes. throw me a fricken bone.

We need one hundred mill…..er….billion men!

By JP

July 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Aren’t benchmarks or milestones a significant tool in a project manager’s toolbelt?

Isn’t Bush an MBA?

By It's not a game if people die

July 11, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Van, syphillis is a public health threat too. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to go shooting everyone’s cheney off. Using Bush’s logic, since YOU didn’t sleep with the pros-ti-tute and spread the disease, we should just take yours off, you know “in case,” (you have that look about you) and leave the actual John intact, hiding out in a Motel Six in Douglasville while we pretend we don’t know where he is.

By Van

July 11, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

It’s not a game if people die,

What the heck are you babbling about. Stop using “mind expanding” drugs.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Debbiedoright The war has already been won. We have toppled their leadership. (Ask Sadam and his sons). We have defeated their Armies, and we occupy their land. Sounds like a win to me .What we have now is:

“Some wars or war-like actions end when the military objective of the victorious side has been achieved. Others do not, especially in cases where the state structures do not exist, or have collapsed prior to the victory of the conqueror. In such cases, disorganised guerilla warfare may continue for a considerable period”

Lets now defeat the terrorists and those who sponsor them. The Iraq people deserve that.

By time for the truth

July 11, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Do you seem a little light headed? Are you experiencing double vision? Are you seeing Ronald Reagan? Is he wearing underwear? Did he remember to put them on? Are your lower extremities working improperly? Can you move your left butt cheek to the beat of Baba Loo? Is Barbara Bush suddenly looking like a straight up fox to you? Do you have a sudden urge to go out and rent the DVD “Nixon”; denounce the Dixie Chicks and sing songs song by the Liberty University Choir? Do you think Dumbya is doing a good job? If you could, would you vote for him again?

If you’ve answered “yes” to any of these questions, please, please, PLEASE go immediately to the nearest strip club and try to get laid. You’ve been jerking off too long to Bush/Cheney politics and you’re totally getting f#cked by their rhetoric. I’m sorry to be the one who has to tell you.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH … get the whoralicious robotic crackpipe ho b itch!!!

talking of “strip clubs” crackpipe - as you just did - have you forcibly, if not reluctantly changed careers very recently?

crackpipe is hysterically getting even nastier and even more venomous … but this is EXACTLY what we right wing conservatives want to see …worthless B ITCHES AND DOGTURDS like crackpipe and its sullen hate America ilk treasonously melting down whilst we (almost) p!ss ourselves laughing at the yellowbellied perfidious cut and run obsessive hate Bush, hate Cheney lefties!!!

SNIGGER SMIRK SNIGGER

come on crackpipe post another half dozen pathetic “pictures” of yours truly … you know you really want to!!

then crawl back into your smelly stinky abortion bucket!!!

just enjoying mirroring back the hysterical leftist hate … again!!

By Craig also

July 11, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Oh and by the way, 92% of Iraqis want us to stay? Do you have any idea how silly that is? You KNOW it’s not true - and even if it was, so what? 70% of Americans want us out of Iraq - I’d rather the Prez listened to us.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Time For The Straight Jacket: This one’s for you!!

Enjoy!!

By melo

July 11, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Stay the CURSE until the Dumbster is out of office, thats the way to ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION.

Immigration..NO MASS,IRAQ..NO MASS, NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND..YES CHILDREN LEFT WAY BEHIND,BUDGET GIAGUNTUM DEFICIT,HADITHA,QUATANAMO,TORTURE,So whats its(BUSHWIT) legacy?

By bush

July 11, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Hi this is George Bush. I will get the milestones report done just as soon as I learn about Gantt and Pert Charts.

ok not really.. this is harold.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Craig Yes, they want us to get themselves back on their feet and the leave. Is not that what we want?

By winorlose

July 11, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

“setting a date for failure”

This is probably right, but the question of whether failure is inevitable has to be answered. At this point the answer seems to clearly be yes; so what is the point to continue sacrificing about 100 American lives and $12 billion a month? (Remember the predictions of a cost of maybe $60 billion with very few soldiers lost?) We aren’t going to stay fully engaged in Iraq indefinitely. The political landscape dictates that at least a partial pullout will begin before the 2008 elections because the Republicans don’t want to lose everything because of this one issue (no resolution in sight come Novemeber 2008 would do it) and the Democrats need to show some kind of progress on the issue that won them back Congress. So they will come to some sort of agreement. The Bush Administration will eventually cave. This won’t be because of weak-minded Republicans as Jim says but because smart Republicans won’t want to give away the Presidency, wide margins in Congress, and a shot at a truly conservative Supreme Court just to delay an inevitable withdrawal. It may happen anyway, but with no kind of resolution it is almost a certainty.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Debbiedoright The war has already been won. We have toppled their leadership. (Ask Sadam and his sons). We have defeated their Armies, and we occupy their land.

“We” defeated a man that we set up into a position of power with weapons, money and intelligence. So basically, we defeated ourselves.

Sounds like a win to me

That’s because you don’t know any better.

Lets now defeat the terrorists and those who sponsor them. The Iraq people deserve that.

RCH we’re the ones who set the “terrorists and those who sponser them” loose on the Iraqi people. Sigh.

By Dusty

July 11, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

dawg-gone-truth @11:48,

In which war did your father fight?

Sometimes, I think loyal Americans can get tired of fighting for freedom. I see the pictures on television almost every night of military persons killed in the MidEast. Some look like they should have been in High School. A heavy burden of grief descends. You want it to stop. I imagine that is the way you feel about the loss of your friends.

I don’t think we can stop the grief. But we can remember in this war, the military volunteered for service and they knew that might entail fighting for their country. They signed on and that is what they are doing. Fighting for our country like brave people. I’m not telling you anything you don’t know already.

Do we show enough appreciation? NO. Do we appreciate our own country? NO. Are we able to overcome difficulties and disagreements? YES!!

Please don’t get too discouraged. America has been through tough times before. We Americans sometimes disagree vehemently with each other but we fight our enemies who would make us their slaves or kill us.

I hope that you will soon feel better about the difficulty of keeping freedom. I’ll just throw in that old cliche: Hang in there, buddy!

By Van and Facts = Oil and Water

July 11, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Van at 11:59,

Please allow me to demonstrate, yet again, why Van is an idiot (as if he doesn’t demonstrate that himself on a daily basis).

In Van’s very own quote, Clinton was referring to potential threats from other countries that are the “kind of threat” posed by Iraq. Also, Clinton was speculating about potential threats that are similar to Iraq (“In the next century, the community of nations may see…”).

Speculating about potential threats from other “rogue states” is a very different thing than making a definitive connections [between Saddam Hussein and al Queda] that are unsupported, no, contradicted by the evidence in order to persuade the Congress and the public to support a war. Van can’t see that, but thankfully, most Americans can.

(Note: Please recall that President Clinton opposed invading Iraq when Hans Blix and others were arguing vehemently that Iraq was cooperating with U.N. inspectors and that the inspection teams were making good progress.)

By time for the truth

July 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

This deranged sicko anti-war leftist happily killed itself - just not soon enough though - it should have killed itself BEFORE its cowardly attack on an USAF chap.

Now we see where the obsessive psychotic hate Bush left is going - shooting (and very likely) killing US military folks.

Just yet another rock solid reason to permanently get rid of ALL the hate America anti-war left!!

Funny how the party of hate liberal media hasn’t been screeching about this gutless attack on an innocent military man. Can’t have deranged leftie scum shown in a bad light though - can we??!!

Suicidal gunman ‘angry at the government’

By DAVID LEVINSKY PhillyBurbs.com

WILLINGBORO — The Pennsauken man who shot and wounded a member of the U.S. Air Force before killing himself left suicide notes that indicated he was “angry at the government and wanted to make a statement” on Independence Day, one of the man’s relatives said yesterday.

Matthew J. Marren, 22, of Walnut Avenue, drove to a home on Windsor Lane rented by Senior Airman Jonathan Schrieken, 22, at about 5:30 p.m. Wednesday. Marren got of this vehicle, found Schrieken outside the house, shot him once in the chest with a small-caliber firearm, then turned the gun on himself, said Burlington County First Assistant Prosecutor Ray Milavsky.

Marren was pronounced dead at Lourdes Medical Center of Burlington County in Willingboro later Wednesday night.

Schrieken was taken to Cooper University Hospital in Camden where was listed in critical but stable condition yesterday afternoon, Milavsky said.

Schrieken is stationed at McGuire Force Base. He works as a loadmaster for the 6th Airlift Squadron.

Marren’s aunt, Terina Henderson of Trion, Ga., said she spoke to Marren’s mother yesterday who told her Marren left two notes, one in his home and one in his car, indicating he was upset with the government.

She said she did not know the exact wording in the notes, but said Marren was “mad at the government and wanted to make a statement … that’s why he did what he did on the Fourth of July.”

By Greg

July 11, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

The President squandered the support of conservatives championing the immigration bill, especially with his characterization of those of us who disagreed with him. Personally, I don’t think he will ever recover from that mistake. I agree with Peggy Noonan - he has fractured the Republican Party and cannot put it back together again. The nation’s security will suffer as a result.

By Van

July 11, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Van and Facts = Oil and Water,

Hey, Meth mouth, very good twisted logic.

Too bad you can not come to the same level of understanding of the terrorist threats that President Bubba did. I guess you and the others in the trailer park are only listening to the voices in your own head.

Saddam and other terrorist networks, yes, they did do business together.

WMD’s, yes Saddam could have made a lot of money by selling off his surplus weapons. Did he? I don’t know. Could he, yes.

By C.K.

July 11, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

The “Clinton did it too” excuse has always been lame, irrelevent, and is now long past it’s prime. Anybody who uses that line should, to borrow a phrase, “crawl back into his shell”.

By getalife

July 11, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Reid was right.

This occupation is lost because the Iraqi government does not even bother to show up.

Just more wasted lives and billions.

Pathetic.

By DebbieDoRight

July 11, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Straight Jacket: Found a really nice picture of your sister

I guess it just runs in the family huh?

By Thinkin' Out Loud

July 11, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Greg wrote, “The President squandered the support of conservatives championing the immigration bill, especially with his characterization of those of us who disagreed with him.”

I believe that Greg is absolutely correct. In fact, this is the very same reason that Democrats turned on Joe Leiberman so quickly — not because of Leiberman’s views on the war, but because of his characterization of those who disagreed with him. Other Democrats were arguing the “stay the course” approach at the same time that Lieberman was before the last election (including Democratic front-runner, Senator Clinton), but it was Lieberman’s demogoguery that did him in with his own party.

By RCH

July 11, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Debbiedoright What do consider a win, us leaving. I ask you do you want to win? Or would that cripple your political agenda?

“We” defeated a man that we set up into a position of power with weapons, money and intelligence. So basically, we defeated ourselves.”

We never set this man up in power. He seizes it himself. We gave him limited arms and intelligence to fight the Iranians.

“RCH we’re the ones who set the “terrorists and those who sponser them” loose on the Iraqi people. Sigh.”

Why not just kill the terrorist and supporters. They are murderers. Why are you protecting and enabling them? That way the Iraq people can decide their own fate. Islamic terrorist strike the w