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DEL.ICIO.USParis is free! And rehabilitated, too. Oh, joy.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Even before the criminal justice system’s most joyous news of the week was emoted from CNN’s Larry King show — the revelation that a freed Paris Hilton has grown from a “traumatic” period of incarceration — there was other good news on the legal front.
It was not, mind you, on the order of Hilton’s confirmation of the conservative belief that prison is usually good for the individual and for society at large — either by offering an opportunity for rehabilitation or, failing that, ridding the free world, however briefly, of a miscreant whose conduct poses a danger to the rest of us. (That is one of the reasons, too, that I am more reassured than alarmed by the other news Wednesday that Georgia’s prison population is the third fastest growing in the country, at 8.1 percent last year. It’s attributed to stricter sentencing, tougher parole board policies and a continuing meth problem.)
Paris is a digression, however. Yes, conservatives are pleased that, as she says, “I took the time to learn about myself. I have a new outlook on life.”
But the more important good news came earlier in the week from the U.S. Supreme Court on three cases:
Schools may prohibit student speech that can reasonably be interpreted to promote drug use, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in a 5-4 ruling. A student in Juneau, Alaska, unfurled a 14-foot-long banner with a “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” message. The principal interpreted it as a message advocating drug use and suspended the student, who contended he thought the message nonsensical and had no idea what it meant. Roberts said the principal’s interpretation was “plainly a reasonable one.” The student, incidentally, pleaded guilty to selling marijuana at a Texas college two years later, the Associated Press reports.
In another 5-4 decision, the court ruled that 8 agnostics and athiests hadn’t a prayer of winning their suit objecting to efforts by the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to encourage religious charities to apply for federal grants. The group filing the suit “set out a parade of horribles that they claim could occur” unless the court stopped the faith-based initiative, wrote Justice Samuel Alito. “Of course, none of these things has happened.” If they appeared, Congress could act.
In the third, a 5-4 court agreed with an appeals court ruling that Wisconsin Right to Life should have been allowed to air ads during the final two months before the 2004 elections that asked voters to contact the state’s two senators and urge them not to filibuster President Bush’s judicial nominees. Democrat Russ Feingold, who co-authored the campaign finance law, was up for reelection in 2004.
Three justices, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, would have used the case to overturn a 2003 Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutionality of the law, which imposes restrictions on corporate- and union-funded television ads that air close to elections. The three should have prevailed, because it is an incumbency-protection restriction on free speech, but Roberts and Alito granted only that the Wisconsin group’s ads were not the equivalent of explicit campaign ads and, therefore, weren’t covered by the 2003 decision.
The U.S. Supreme Court got its three right. But the case — other than Paris Hilton’s — that prompted the most national attention and emotion this week involved a lawyer who is an administrative law judge and the mom-and-pop dry cleaners he’d sued for $54 million over a missing pair of suit pants. Most everything despicable about litigation abuse was contained in the lawsuit filed in Washington by Roy L. Pearson against Soo Chung, Jin Nam Chung and Ki Y. Chung. owners of Custom Cleaners. Pearson sued for $54 million after the Chungs lost a pair of blue-and-marooon suit pants.
A judge threw out the lawsuit and ordered Pearson to pay the Chung’s court costs, which amount to just over $1,000. Justice will be done when the judge also rules that Pearson must pay the Chung’s legal fees and tosses in a few extra bucks for their suffering as well.
4-for-4. Not a bad day’s work. And yes, Paris is free and rehabilitated. Life’s good.
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Comments
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this
Once again Jim, another sharp, on-point analysis of why liberalism is bad and conservatives are the true children of god. You are a great American, sir, and we are the better for having you and your media brethren (and Anne, of course!) here to tell us how to interpret the news of the day, and how we should think (rightly, of course!) on all the issues. You are my hero!!!
By Scholar
June 28, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten,
How do you feel about non-violent drug offenders who need treatment that are incarcerated rather getting much needed help? How do you feel about those non-violent prisoners who are sexually assaulted while in prison and contract a lifetime of post-traumatic stress and disease? Is that, “…confirmation of the conservative belief that prison is usually good for the individual and for society at large”? Just wondering.
By PastorD
June 28, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, surely you jest!
By Redneck Convert
June 28, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
Well, I don’t think we can feel safe till there are enough Right-Thinking judges to help us make everybody in America a good Christian. We don’t need no Jews and Muslims and atheists and other people. We need a OK for putting the 10 commandments up everywhere and outlawing all abortion and keeping the eggheads from killing them stems to get cells and making everybody go to a real church. I’m real proud of My President for turning the Supreme Court around like he did.
We need Law and Order. I was awful proud to see this rich Hilton woman hauled off to jail. Us rednecks love seeing people put in jail if they can’t get the Death Penalty. That’s why I watch Cops on Court TV a lot and Fox News and other channels that like Law and Order.
I think the Party that has the big money ought to be able to use it to win elections by flooding radio and TV with attacks on the libruls. It’s the American Way. Only a commie would want to keep them from doing it.
And we need to keep punks from holding up ads for drugs in school. We need a jail in the schools to put kids in. Instead of letting them sue the school people. We could have a jail for each grade. That’s the only part of schools I’m willing to pay for.
I sure hope this Wilson guy stays in prison for the rest of his life. Doing that to a good white Southren girl. She is no doubt another Flower of the South, like Sister Dusty.
I feel real good about how the prisons are getting filled up good. If we keep going like this all of Those People will be in prison and we can have things the way we want them. I’m willing to pay for more prisons. But not one dime for doctoring the kids of bums and Those People.
By Leroy Barnes
June 28, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
Dear Mr. Wooten, I’ve been following you columns for awhile now and can say that I agree with 99% of your thoughts and you are the main reason that I became a republican. As an African American I am constantly critized and ridiculed by my peers. How can I help my friends see the light? Conservatives share many of the same values and I know that the current administration has our best interest at heart. I just don’t have enough selling points. Could you or some of the other conservatives on this blog help me out. I hate affirmative action, we don’t need social programs because disparities will balance out over time, I am 100% behind the death penalty, and school vouchers. I am tired of being called an uncle tom. Why should more blacks embrace conservatism? I know it’s good for us but help me help others see the light.
By harold
June 28, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
if a t-shrit sez ‘Bong Hits 4 Jesus’ how does that promote drug use by students? are students jesus? it did not say ‘Bong Hits 4 Students’ or ‘Have a Bong Hit’ so what the hell? it’s just something funny about like ‘Zombie Jesus’ (the crux of Christianity is in fact that Jesus was a zombie) or Harolds favorite ‘Jesus Was a C_nt’
Is a ‘Jesus Was a C_nt’ t-shrit ok for students since it does not probmote drugged use or gangs?
Then again waht about the Christian Football Team? Can they wear shirts? They are a gang of sorts.
By Jim Wooten
June 28, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Morning jbmlaw, scholar and others to come. To jbmlaw, I am humbled by the generosity of the gentleman’s expression.
To scholar: Non-violent drug offenders should get treatment, in or out of prison. Likewise, whether in or out of prison, we all should abhor and work to end predatory sexual conduct.
By Harold
June 28, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
And what is up with the ‘We Think Teh Aquariums Is Gr8’ letters? Man how many letters did they have to go thru to find those all-positive ones? Nobody addressed the issue of a bunch of lack-locked aquariums trying to outdo each other and bring in the tourists by having bigger better fish. that is the problem with the aquarium is that its trying to out compete the chattanooga aquarium. aquariums by the ocean and stuff where people can really do research is great but these torust attraction aquariums is bad news
By John Chambers
June 28, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
The literature suggest that failure in school coming out of the third grade is the number one indicator for future court involvement. As such, wouldn’t it make sense to take a proactive approach and invest in early childhood education rather than invest in building more prisons? Just a thought.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
We the Pope find it very troubling that federal tax revenues are spent with “faith-based” organizations.
Given the evangelical predilections of our Chickenhawk-in-Chief, the fact that this administration hires their lawyers from that academic powerhouse Regents University (led by the superstitious hatemonger Pat Robertson) one wonders if we are getting good return on our money.
You see, evangelical ‘religion’ is mostly just the silliest superstition and nonsense repackaged for social deviants. Chris Benoit, the superstar of WWE turned strangler, is unfortunately not an atypical follower of evangelical religion - witnesseth the bibles placed near the corpses of his victims, including his own son.
Evangelicals lead all major religions in divorce, incest, STDs, alcoholism, meth abuse, rape, murder, receiving public assistance, obesity, child molestation, firearms violations, bankruptcy, prostitution, and lag severely in education, family and career stability. The mentally unstable are drawn to their primitive hatefilled doctrines.
Evangelical churches are lead and attended by truly flawed , damaged and stunted souls - giving these churches money to pay these cripples to improve the lives of others when their own lives are such cesspools is ridiculous.
People who are drawn into the evangelical lifestyle become violent wards of the state, asocial apocalyptical fools. By giving taxpayer money to their institutions we finance the destruction of our own society.
Our money would be better spent with the Hells Angels or the Crips and the Bloods.
Lord, deliver We the Pope and Your good people from the depredations and dementia of the evangelicals, who abuse and misuse the Good Name of Your Only Son to advance Satan’s agenda. Enlighten their enfeebled benighted alcoholic minds and souls, or smite them and send them all to Hell. In Your Son’s Name We the Pope and Our followers pray…
By artc
June 28, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
John Chambers, that would not be practicing “conservative” values now would it?
By Disgusted
June 28, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
How can I help my friends see the light? Conservatives share many of the same values and I know that the current administration has our best interest at heart.
Dear Leroy,
I am delighted to know that there are some black people who realize they would be much better off if they simply returned to the plantation as slaves. Your support for the Republican Party and the current administration is truly heartening.
I think we both will agree that we don’t need to spend precious tax money to feed hungry black children, much less to treat their medical conditions or educate them. Ditto for creating jobs for desperate adults who want to support their families.
I suggest that you can start your campaign to enlist more blacks in the Republican ranks by going to a downtown black church and holding up a sign that reads, “No welfare. No support for civil rights.” You can be certain that you will be visited by numerous black candidates for Republican Party membership, all of whom will be more than eager to meet you.
I wish you much success in your Right-Thinking endeavors.
By deegee
June 28, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
Well, I suppose JW couldn’t be happier that Georgia prisons are exploding with the meth-addicted product of broken homes and a failed educational system. We might as well start locking up the neglected children they produce as a proactive measure because it’s just a matter of time before they start acting out and posing a danger to us. By the time they get out they’ll be thanking conservatives like JW for rehabilitating them like they rehabilitated Paris Hilton. What a wonderful world.
By LMAO
June 28, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
I guess its all a matter of perspective, right Jim.
“Bong Hits 4 Jesus” banner seems pretty benign right now compared to the pro wrestler murder suicide.
On one hand you have unmitigated greed of the corporate world. One in which “free speech” and “profit” are protected. These Pro Wrestling programs have all but run commercials for steroids. A “Steroids 4 Jesus” banner would not have looked out of place at some of their events.
In the other world you have the non rights of a school age kid. This kid also gets to take the brunt of society’s “drugs are evil” campaign. “This is what you become children if you smoke pot!” A banner maker. Drugs are evil! This kid was later BUSTED FOR POT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Corporate America is not held to the same standards as that 18 year old poster maker, poor kid. The evils of steroids are far worse than any bong hit. Can you imagine the media induced hysteria had it been LSD used and not steroids?
Its easier to pretend that the 18 year old pot smoker is to blame for all our problems. Of course our “free speech” loving corporations are not the least responsible.
Nope, corporate America gets its free pass to promote illegal drug use. Just as it gets its free pass to push its “legal” drugs too.
Steroid Injections 4 Jesus!
By harold
June 28, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
harold is thinking that was a jbmlaw impersonator. he is not THAT bad…
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
Incidentally, the Pope is looking forward to next week’s trip to Mr. Gordon Brown’s London.
Refreshing that Dumbya’s lover is no longer in power there.
We’ll be able to spend some time over there reporting the news you don’t get over here…
r-AAQ I
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
Ever notice that the typical WWE crowd looks an awful lot like the typical Sunday morning Southern Baptist church crowd?
By jm
June 28, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten: I would like to hear which taxes you plan on increasing or which services you plan on cutting to continue to pay for this increase in prisoners. I find it interesting that Georgia is near the top in the growth of their prison population but near the botton in academic achievement. I wonder if their is a connection.
By LMAO
June 28, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
(((Ever notice that the typical WWE crowd looks an awful lot like the typical Sunday morning Southern Baptist church crowd?)))
You see the same bumper sticker in both parking lots…….
WWJP?….What Would Jesus Press?
By deegee
June 28, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
deegee thinks harold is right. it was the absence of foreplay that tipped me off.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
Perhaps We need to make prisons less attractive to rednecks.
Prison lifestyle is redneck heaven - free crappy meals, color TV, a toilet next to your bed, and 24/7 same sex s-odomy.
By Scholar
June 28, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
jm
Very good point. To me, building more prisons is like building more roads. You will always find more people and cars to fill them, without addressing the real issues that are driving the need to build them.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
Good morning all, running late today. I am broadly unfamiliar with Paris Hilton, I know one of my older’s sons friends named a dog after her a few years ago. As to the Bong Hits for Jesus, the outcome on that case was predictable a few months ago, just from the funny colloquy between Scalia and the student’s advocate, which I believe I posted on this blog. Similarly, the pants case was such an embarrassment to the legal profession, a resolution broadly favoring the cleaner was likely. Too bad the judge did not award a $20 award to the plaintiff, he then would have been liable for all of the attorney fees of the cleaner.
The restriction on McCain Feingold is the real news. Many of our “progressive” friends are horrified that the power of Congress is restricted; as argued on another blog, because the preservation of political speech is so important, Congress must have the power to control it. Such a twisted argument used to be called “doublespeak.”
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
Three justices, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, would have used the case to overturn a 2003 Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutionality of the law, which imposes restrictions on corporate- and union-funded television ads that air close to elections.
GASP!! The Three Blind Conseratives are for overturning McCain-Feingold? Jim supports them $100, ooops I mean 100%?, jbmlaw agrees with everything Jim says and is blatantly sucking up every chance he gets? Jim actually reads and comments on the acerbic one sided conservative crap he puts in this blog? Why grasp the breasts and clutch the pearls, I might just swoon from amazement!! Who’d a thunk it!!!
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
You forgot the other court decision in the news, Jim; Genarlow Wilson and his grandstanding wacko attorney have failed to overturn law by popular mob opinion. He’s still in jail. Good. Somebody should throw his idiot lawyer in the next cell for keeping him there.
And no matter how much rehab a drug user gets in prison they will still have a record when they get out. If you aren’t Paris Hilton, it’s pretty much the kiss of death as far as being able to make a decent income. I won’t say anything about being a productive member of society since even many active meth users beat Paris in that category.
So the Bong Hits For Jesus guy was arrested? Well, at least he didn’t strangle his wife and smother his child. What a wonderful use of the law and justice system, arresting and processing a guy who wouldn’t harm you unless you tried to grab his bag of Cheetoes. Benoit made a lot of money and fame by using socially accepted and encouraged drugs. Drug laws in this country are a joke.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Dear Jim Wooten, while I would never intentionally disassociate myself from a manifestly true argument, I am obliged to acknowledge that I neither wrote nor posted your first entry today.
By Adam
June 28, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
John Chambers @9:07 The literature suggest that failure in school coming out of the third grade is the number one indicator for future court involvement. As such, wouldn’t it make sense to take a proactive approach?
Excellent observation. My suggestion of a proactive approach would be to go ahead and take DNA samples, fingerprints, and possibly implant a tracking device in these budding little micreants at this critical point in order to facilitate future crime solving.
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
jmblaw: Your post this morning, OMG, I’ve never laughed so hard in all my life!!!
You are a great American, sir, and we are the better for having you and your media brethren (and Anne, of course!) here to tell us how to interpret the news of the day, and how we should think (rightly, of course!) on all the issues.
Stop it!! Stop it!!! Too funny, can’t stop laughing, can’t stop!!! OMG…..
tell us how to interpret the news of the day, and how we should think
OMG, I can’t take it anymore!! Too Funny!! Too Funny!!! Too Funny!!!!
Oh jmblaw!! Take your lips off of Jim’s butt!! You just take comedy too far!!! Man, anything for a laugh huh? Can’t stop laughing!!! Can’t stop………ROTFLMAO!!!!
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
Dear Debbit @ 9:45, I regretfully advise you that you have been sucker-punched by one of your more intellectual “progressive” fellow travelers.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
Dear PastorD @ 8:53, while I am not above jesting, I think you correctly perceive I did not draft the first entry on the blog today – one of our “progressive” intellectuals, I suspect.
Dear Debbie, apologies for misspelling your name - not enough coffee yet today.
By getalife
June 28, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this
In protest, some kids at the same school, set up banners that said,”Bong hits for w and cheney”.
Today, they vote on amnesty.
Will the people win or will the Corporations win again?
If the people win this one, I see hope for this experiment we call Democracy.
If not, like the Iraq occupation, it is a sure loser.
Geez.
By Southern Democrat
June 28, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
(still chuckling) Oh my. Within the first sentence of the first post I knew that wasn’t Jbmlaw’s style. I’ll try to respond to the post and comments when I compose myself.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
Dear harold @ 9:30, you vindicate my faith in your intuitive observation skills.
By Curious Observer
June 28, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
I am saddened to report that the esteemed jbmlaw will indisposed for the rest of the day. It seems that Wooten inconsiderately made a sudden turn in his stroll and broke jbmlaw’s nose.
By GodHatesTrash
June 28, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
Yes, the first post was even more obsequious and sycophantish than usual.
By harold
June 28, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
as a child harold always wondered how teachers could supposedly tell if you had written something yourself or not.
dang it’s easy to tell. glad harold always wrote his own stuff.
By Jackie
June 28, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
@degee
How do you spell IQ?
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
Dear Leroy @ 8:59, you are not your brother’s keeper. To the extent you wish to embrace something like a second “great commission,” I would respectfully suggest you refer friends to the brilliant works of Tom Sowell and Walter E. Williams, both found regularly @ http://www.townhall.com/columnists/. I especially suggest Dr. Williams’ essay this week.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Dear Southern @ 10:03, me too. Now if the id-thief had simply opened with, “good morning all” he would have fooled me completely.
By Anonymous
June 28, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
So in three 5-4 decisions, the Supreme Court acted against freedom and in favor of restricting our rights… and Wooten dutifully applauds this.
Well, you can’t say he’s fickle!
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
Dear Leroy @ 8:59, you are not your brother’s keeper. To the extent you wish to embrace something like a second “great commission,” I would respectfully suggest you refer friends to the brilliant works of Tom Sowell and Walter E. Williams, both found regularly @ http://www.townhall.com/columnists/. I especially suggest Dr. Williams’ essay this week.
By deegee
June 28, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Jackie, How do you spell deegee? Here’s a hint: deegee.
By THE ONLY GOOD LIBERAL IS A DEAD LIBERAL
June 28, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Damn shame that the execrable racist turd crackpipe, who undeniably is a ravenous, rubber lipped sucker wasn’t just punched by a deranged fellow far left racist turd - like inbred rednekkk. Both of these snivelling pinko racist turds richly deserve and need many more cyber stompings. But the ONE imbecilic bnleftist sickster who truly needs a place on death row in FL where happily the wait is usually shorter than most is Mrs Oedipus JM Karr NAMBLA - back to posting its psychotic envious embittered hatred of a place where it is NO LONGER allowed to live - under its original treasonous Obama Osama flaccid rent boy rednekkks id.
harold’s quite witty Jesus is a c__nt slogan is now rather old and passe for those of us used to living in a sophisticated secular place like England. In that “spirit” I have a few serious questions for any interested religious folks today. When the Holy Ghost (supposedly) overshadowed Mary did she have an orgasm? Who did the washing up after the last supper? Is it right that all that sh!t shovelled over the side from Noah’s Ark remained undiscovered until Captain Cook discovered Australia? How can one get to heaven if British Airways are on strike? Is Jesus actually impotent? After all it took him three days to rise and 2000 years later he still hasn’t come!!
By THE ONLY GOOD LIBERAL IS A DEAD LIBERAL
June 28, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
Damn shame that the execrable racist turd crackpipe, who undeniably is a ravenous, rubber lipped sucker wasn’t just punched by a deranged fellow far left racist turd - like inbred rednekkk. Both of these snivelling pinko racist turds richly deserve and need many more cyber stompings. But the ONE imbecilic leftist sickster who truly needs a place on death row in FL where happily the wait is usually shorter than most is Mrs Oedipus JM Karr NAMBLA - back to posting its psychotic envious embittered hatred of a place where it is NO LONGER allowed to live - under its original treasonous Obama Osama flaccid rent boy rednekkks id.
harold’s quite witty Jesus is a c__nt slogan is now rather old and passe for those of us used to living in a sophisticated secular place like England. In that “spirit” I have a few serious questions for any interested religious folks today. When the Holy Ghost (supposedly) overshadowed Mary did she have an orgasm? Who did the washing up after the last supper? Is it right that all that sh!t shovelled over the side from Noah’s Ark remained undiscovered until Captain Cook discovered Australia? How can one get to heaven if British Airways are on strike? Is Jesus actually impotent? After all it took him three days to rise and 2000 years later he still hasn’t come!!
By getalife
June 28, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
Its 5-4 on all Supreme Court decisions.
A Constitutional crises decision is a 5-4 loser.
So, w and cheney know this and know they can break the law without accountability.
I wonder how far they will take this crime spree.
And Jim and fake law, who needs to remove his head from Jim’s a-ss and get some fresh air, cheer on the criminals.
Geez.
By THE ONLY GOOD LIBERAL IS A DEAD LIBERAL
June 28, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Jackie, How do you spell heebeedeegee?
well that’s easy enough you cry… heebeedeegee … the ONE vile leftist racebaiting black who is still ashamed to admit its black!!!
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
OMG where did all the comedians come from this morning!!
I hate affirmative action, we don’t need social programs because disparities will balance out over time, I am 100% behind the death penalty, and school vouchers. I am tired of being called an uncle tom. Why should more blacks embrace conservatism? I know it’s good for us but help me help others see the light.
Leroy toooo funny!!!! This is better than ComicView!!! Here’s the punchline:
Use a demonstration to get your friends to embrace the “Southern Strategy” Republicans, pi$$ on them and tell them it’s raining!!!
By JK
June 28, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
Let’s review: Free speech for students is bad. Free speech and unlimited ability to influence elections for corporations are good.
Mr. Wooten forgot to mention: Free speech for Dick Cheney to swear (and shoot) at whomever he wishes is good. Free speech for Mississippi resident who repeats Cheney’s words back him is bad, (hence his 2005 arrest). Dick Cheney’s refusal to answer any questions he doesn’t want to and cite executive privelege: good. Dick Cheney deciding day by day on his own what legal responsibilities he has: good. George Bush saying simply that he won’t comply with lawful subpeonas: good.
Jim Wooten’s refusal to write about Bush & Cheney’s refusal to comply with the law of the land: what a good little shill!!!
By Southern Democrat
June 28, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
Feeling a little down this morning. I can’t explain it, but beyond everything else that we’ve experienced over the past 7 years (including Iraq), these Supreme Court decisions have really made me sad at the legacy of the Bush Administration.
The decision today regarding the school desegregation / race affirmation plans in Louisville and Seattle is just awful. I had the privilege of talking with a gentleman who was a h.s. principal in Louisville during desegregation and went on to be on the School Board. His stories of how QUICKLY perspectives changed amongst kids once they interacted on a daily basis as equals was amazing… he said within a few years, racial tension both in and out of school was reduced dramatically.
As one who has taught public school in Georgia, I can tell you that the voluntary segregation we are all guilty of is damaging the next generations. The vast majority of this generation has not had to interact with students of different backgrounds, but rather, the poor kids go to school with the poor kids, the rich kids go to school with the rich kids. Atlanta and its surrounding counties need to think long and hard about the decisions we’re making. In a city that is around 50%-50% white and black, how can the vast majority of our public high schools skew 75-80% one way or the other?
By THE ONLY GOOD LIBERAL IS A DEAD LIBERAL
June 28, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Leroy … that was a mighty fine post my brutha. You succinctly encapsulated much of what is continuously wrong with the robotic gimme gimme mindset of sick and twisted grasping racial spoils blacks!! Black conservatives are equal first among the true visionary heroes in America today!! Pull up a chair mate and continue to gob (English slang for spit) at the black/liberal racebaiters who sullenly infest this token conservative blog in a toxic sea of shimmering pandering multicultural Urinal sh!te!!
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten’s refusal to write about Bush & Cheney’s refusal to comply with the law of the land: what a good little shill!!!
JK — Jim is not a shill but an expensive trick; if a corporation say like Big Businesses of America; pays him to lick their boots he will. BUT only if they pay him. You want him to say something that’s truly “right”? Give him his starting fee.
By harold
June 28, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
intergrated schools are just fine becasue there everybody has to do their own work in school
in the workplace though all that rachel stuff comes right back up when certain peoples on the payrolls effectively claim reparations by having their sorry butts covered by the efforts of the workers
like harold
By AmVet
June 28, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Good morning all.
Take that jbmlaw!
Counselor, (I hope I’m not being presumptuous with the use of that title) I note with some interest your use of the word “progressive” and as a “lexophile” would like to hear your definition.
I gather it is used as a euphemism for the term liberal as I use the term neo-con for conservative. And I do tend to use the terms interchangeably, as I see, what I consider, precious little conservative thought or speech.
harold,
If only that dumb kid in Alaska had put up a banner with “Pipe Dreams for Jesus” he would not have had to worry about the Kennedy gang, I mean the Supreme Court, ruling against him.
Unless double entendres are also now legally imperiled!
By Dennis
June 28, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten writes, “The U.S. Supreme Court got its three right.”
It’s always interesting to see the hypocracy of a neocon.
On the one hand, Mr. Wooten, by his statement above, supports “faith based initiatives”, while on the other hand supporting separation of church and state.
Hypocracy? You’re damned right it is!
Seems the IRS told liberal churches they could not preach against the Iraq war and against Bush policies of that war, and if they did, the churches could lose their tax exempt status.
The message, of course, is that churches must play along with the government, or else.
This also played in Germany, during the reign of Hitler. Most churches caved in including the Catholic church.
But, when one minister, Dietrich Bohnoeffer, stood up against Hitler and the Nazis, he was arrested and eventually hanged.
America badly needs a Dietrich Bohnoeeffer and a “Christian” church willing to lose its tax exempt status “for the cause of the cross” that will stand up to the Bush regime
Shame on your hypocracy, Mr. Wooten.
SHAME!
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By getalife
June 28, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
The immigration bill is dead.
By DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL LEECHES NOW
June 28, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
GLORIOUS FOX NEWS ALERT …
POISONOUS RACIST IMMIGRATION AMNESTY BILL DEFEATED!!!
YABBADABBBADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
HA HA HA HA … LMFAO!!!
IF ACCURATE - THIS IS JOYOUS FABULOUS NEWS …
choke on that sise PU$$y and all you other greasy racebaiting racist scum!!!
kick em out kick em out kick em out
By DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL LEECHES NOW
June 28, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
ha ha ha ha ha
on Commie-Span Senate the senile drooling hatepig KKKlansman Byrd from WV is shaking like an alcoholic going through the DT’s whilst as usual ranting and rambling about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
lets hope its something more serious!!! this far left grubbing racist is a disgrace to the office of senator!!
THE EVIL AMNESTY BILL IS DEAD!! YIPPPEEEE!!
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
Good morning AmVet @ 11:21 your legal analysis for Harold correctly reads the ruling, but with your good humor. Re: “progressive,” one our leftist friends objected to my use of the term “leftist” and begged me to substitute “progressive.” I’m pretty flexible, and since it is the idea of leftism that repels Americans and not any particular label, I’ll use whatever label our leftist friends prefer when I sling mud. As to the id-jacker, amusingly it seems only our “progressive” friends were deceived, excepting the obviously bright such as you and bemused Southern.
By @@
June 28, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
I watched those court rulings come down Jim, and I couldn’t believe my eyes. After observing the rulings handed down by liberal justices for so long, it was like a breath of fresh air to see common sense prevail.
There is more common sense on the horizon in the Genarlow Wilson case.
Activist: Close To Wilson Deal
The district attorney has an offer on the table to reduce Wilson’s sentence, but his attorneys have rejected it. And on Friday, attorney B.J. Bernstein criticized the Hutchins for jumping into the fray.
In a statement she wrote, “people who notify the media first and inject themselves into the story without knowing any of the legal issues, are opportunistic and attempting to gain media attention for themselves at the expense of Genarlow Wilson.”
“Anybody that is not willing to engage in a dialogue that moves toward resolution, I think, ought to be questioned about their sincerity,” Hutchins said.
Hutchins questioned Bernstein’s motives in the case as counter-productive. He said he is also surprised to find out he was the first civil rights activist to talk to the DA and the attorney general. On Thursday, the Congressional Black Caucus, and Rev. Joseph Lowery criticized Baker, calling the case a miscarriage of justice.
Hutchins is the only person who has Genarlow’s best interest at heart. The others?
Hutchins is stealing their limelight. Their concern for young Mr. Wilson is secondary to their personal interest.
Disgusting!
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this
Dear Dennis @ 11:24, you are obviously unaware of the South Carolina church that challenged the government over an issue of faith. Its subsidiary, Bob Jones University, lost its tax-exempt status. Of course, I cannot remember who was president, but I’m sure it was someone hostile to freedom of speech, one who will use the power of government to cripple the free exercise of religion.
By THE EVIL AMNESTY BILL IS DEAD!! YIPPPEEEE!!
June 28, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
DING DONG THE EVIL AMNESTY BILL IS DEAD
ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR
snigger smirk snigger
DEPORT ALL illegal LEECHES NOW!! and their pandering apologists!!
jeeez
By THE EVIL AMNESTY BILL IS DEAD!! YIPPPEEEE!!
June 28, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
Re: the glorious death of that vile racist amnesty bill:
CAN YOUR HEAR THE LEFTIES WHINE - NOOOO NOOOO
CAN YOU HEAR THE LETIES WHINE - NOOOO NOOO0
I CAN’T HEAR A FOOKING THING …
ALLLAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH BE PRAISED!!!
huge deport all illegals now smirk
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
Churches enjoy tax-exempt status to preach the Word of the Lord, jbm, and to encourage their charitable works. While most evangelical congregations do little for the poor, real Christians often do.
Although prostrate as you usually are before Mr. Dumbya, he is not God, and he is not doing the Lord’s work. Therefore, the stumpbroke clodhoppers that make up the clergy of BJ U, when they pursue and support the racist homophobic hate agenda of the GOP, can do it without government subsidy.
We, the Pope, have spoken.
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
You get what you pay for ala the Bush Juggernaut:
President George W. Bush outsourced the lion’s share of his presidency to Vice President Cheney, and Mr. Cheney has made the most of it. Since 9/11, he has proclaimed that all checks and balances and individual liberties are subservient to the president’s commander in chief powers in confronting international terrorism. Let’s review the record of his abuses and excesses:
The vice president asserted presidential power to create military commissions, which combine the functions of judge, jury, and prosecutor in the trial of war crimes. The Supreme Court rebuked Cheney in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. Mr. Cheney claimed authority to detain American citizens as enemy combatants indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay on the president’s say-so alone, a frightening power indistinguishable from King Louis XVI’s execrated lettres de cachet that occasioned the storming of the Bastille. The Supreme Court repudiated Cheney in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld.
The vice president initiated kidnappings, secret detentions, and torture in Eastern European prisons of suspected international terrorists. This lawlessness has been answered in Germany and Italy with criminal charges against CIA operatives or agents. The legal precedent set by Cheney would justify a decision by Russian President Vladimir Putin to kidnap American tourists in Paris and to dispatch them to dungeons in Belarus if they were suspected of Chechen sympathies.
http://slate.com/id/2169292
By This is OUR land
June 28, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
To whoever that moron extremist lib was the other day who said that congress and mexican voters will put the amnesty dagger deep into our stomachs and break it off: there’s your sign. Now go load up and row your little commie boat to castro’s paradise! Trash.
By THE EVIL AMNESTY BILL IS DEAD!! YIPPPEEEE!!
June 28, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
“we the pimp have spoken …”
LMFAO …. this VT based dogsqueeze gets more paranoid and deranged every damn day!!!
despising and opposing shrill queer activists is good for everyone … quietly and reasonably tolerating ordinary homos who do NOT molest kids -unlike like YOUR noxious depraved self Oedipus NAMBLA … is fair enough!!
By RCH
June 28, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Getalife,DebbieDoRight Ding, Dong, the wicked bill is dead. You are probably having “roid rage.” Don’t worry, this bill has more lives than Dracula, it will be resurrected. Lets try this. Lets enforce the laws already on the books. Lets secure the boarder. Lets see if these politicians can keep their word. Good Luck. Getalife You asked if the people would win or corporations. How about the people won and the politicians lost!
By THE EVIL AMNESTY BILL IS DEAD!! YIPPPEEEE!!
June 28, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
By This is OUR land
To whoever that moron extremist lib was the other day who said that congress and mexican voters will put the amnesty dagger deep into our stomachs and break it off: there’s your sign. Now go load up and row your little commie boat to castro’s paradise! Trash.
Easily the post of the day so far.
AMEN BROTHER … PREACH ON …
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
No amnesty illegals, but hey - no enforcement either!
The game is still on - keep on comin’ - there are plenty of scumbags here that will hire you. At least until the Bush dollar drops below the peso.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
S.D. If this society is attempting to advance to a “Color Blind” nation does it not make sense that integration is in direct opposition to that? Are you know advocating we integrate based on income not race?
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
For all you right wing freaks dancing about in glee over the immigration bill’s demise, put on your thimble sized thinking caps.
The bill was authored by the same Senator who ran the INS out of the Vidalia onion fields when he was a Rep. You elected this little man over Max Cleland, and did your little victory dance. This same little man and his little party had control, and now we’re awash in a not-so little number of illegal immigrants. The wingnuts you elected are so screwed up and beholden to big business they can’t do anything about it.
So, you did your fair share to cause the problem, the death of the immigration bill means nothing is being done, and there’s no solution in sight.
Please press “1” to continue your victory dance in English.
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Hutchins is the only person who has Genarlow’s best interest at heart. The others? Hutchins is stealing their limelight. Their concern for young Mr. Wilson is secondary to their personal interest. Disgusting!
We don’t agree on much double @, but on this we do. I was surprised when I found out that Wilson was offered a deal, (a great deal by the sound of it), but it was turned down; and even MORE suprised to hear that he never heard the full context of the deal just the Cliff Notes version that his lawyer told him about.
The Georgia Black Caucas had a chance to push Wilson’s case at that tiem through the legislature; but they chose not to do it. NOW they’re making noises about it though, that makes me wonder what any of these guys real agenda is.
PS: My friend Pam, a lawyer, told me that only lawyers are more camera hungry than those people who try out for reality television shows.
By Dennis
June 28, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
By jbmlaw June 28, 2007 11:54 AM “Dear Dennis @ 11:24, you are obviously unaware of the South Carolina church that challenged the government over an issue of faith. Its subsidiary, Bob Jones University, lost its tax-exempt status. Of course, I cannot remember who was president, but I’m sure it was someone hostile to freedom of speech, one who will use the power of government to cripple the free exercise of religion.”
jbmlaw, each day on here you are a prime example of why someone should “shop” for a lawyer.
Who was president had nothing to do with the case.
Also the case you mention had less to do with “faith” and more to do with a policy forbidding interracial dating, in short “discrimination”.
You need to check your cases, counselor.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Aquagirl See above 12:28. Lets seize the moment and continue the pressure on our legislators. Once we have shut the borders lets write a bill that makes sense. One that we can read, debate ,fine tune, and is enforceable. Whats wrong with that?
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
RCH: Been to Miami lately? Think Miami on a nationwide scale. Hágale habla español?
By A V 8 R
June 28, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
Jim you can’t believe how happy I am this AM, Paris is free, the immigration amnesty Bill is out, Mr. Chung is through with the pants, and Genarlow Wilson still resides at the Greybar hotel, let’s hope for a long while. When I awoke this AM the sun was shining the birds were singing, I knew it would be another fine day in Georgia,if somehow you could get some of your moonbat following to go bird hunting with Dick Cheny or on a car trip with Ted Kennedy the world could be a better place.
By getalife
June 28, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
RCH,
Yes, there is hope for this democracy.
Score one for the people.
Enforce the immigration laws on the books, attacking the employers.
No jobs, no illegals. No cheap labor. Period. We need to start up American companies who will hire Americans and not outsource. Indian and Chinese products are crap. Buy American. Free trade is crap and a disaster for this country.
If you want to really enforce the border, look at the Mexican southern border.
Geez.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight Went to South Beach. Had a great time. What is your point?
By harold
June 28, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
HEY! IT’S ONLY JUNE 28 AND WE HAVE HAD OUR FIRST MARTA RAIL FATALITY FOR 2007!!
WHAT DAY DID WE HAVE OUR FIRST AUTOMOBILE RELATED FATALITY? JANUARY 1ST OR 2ND?
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
And RCH, we’re going to secure the border how? Even the Great Wall didn’t work for the Chinese, and that’s one big mutha.
As I’ve said, the “secure the border” chant is pablum. We’ve spent billions and many years trying to stop illegal drugs and have had little success. There is no practical way to stop illegal immigration as long as there is a booming market for the product, which would be illegal immigrants.
Capitalism works, even when you don’t want it to. Even when you cling to denialism that makes you feel good.
By harold
June 28, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
harold suggests a new immigration bill that would make most americans happy:
“no beaners”
By The Truth Hurts
June 28, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this
Once again Jim, another sharp, on-point analysis of why liberalism is bad and conservatives are the true children of god. You are a great American, sir, and we are the better for having you and your media brethren (and Anne, of course!) here to tell us how to interpret the news of the day, and how we should think (rightly, of course!) on all the issues. You are my hero!!!
God, I think I’m going to throw up.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
Aquagirl That is only an expression. We all know that a physical barrier is not the only answer. Troops on the border, no housing, no education, no jobs, no social services, strict fines andjail time to those who use illegal workers, and I am sure there are a few more will reduce the influx of illegals and may even encourage the ones here to leave. Then draft a bill that makes sense. I agree we need the workers, I disagree on how the get and stay here.
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
Went to South Beach. Had a great time. What is your point?
Obviously beyond the grasp of your small mind……
By RCH
June 28, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Debbiedoright I am waiting. Whats your point?
By deegee
June 28, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
You got just what you deserve. Weak president, weak congress, weak borders, no plan. You probably pumped up Lou Dobbs’ ratings. He’s stronger, CNN will get lots more advertising revenue from Pfizer and AARP. Keep the TV and the radio on so you can’t hear the giant sucking sound of farms and businesses moving across the border. India and Mexico just signed an investment protection agreement in anticipation of joint-ventures.
Hopefully it’s not too late to salvage what’s left of what was once a great and powerful nation from the ravages of the republican revolution. Your big ugly fence on the southern border will prove to be the greatest monument to the most destructive leadership we have had since the McCarthy era.
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
Really, RCH? It seems pretty intuitive that “secure the border” means “secure the border”.
Not “enforce immigration laws” or “jail the slimeballs from Pilgrim Chicken who were begging for this bill”. As a matter of fact, I thought part of the “secure the border” crowd was getting a woody over this supposed 700 mile fence.
If you still have illegal immigrants coming here and deny them housing, medical services, education, etc. then you will have a lot of sick, uneducated, homeless illegal immigrants.
And I don’t agree we need the workers. We don’t need cutesy landscaping at every house, business, and apartment complex in America. We could pay $50 more in groceries every week, it would offset the taxes we pay to cover the illegals who help give us cheap produce and meats. I’m not opposed to the idea of bringing in temporary laborers for seasonal work.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 28, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
This is a huge victory for the illegals. Keeping their status as illegals and not enforcing a system of worker IDs are key to their economic success in the US.
There are two reasons people hire illegals - they work for lower wages, and they work “under the radar” - no benefits, no need for insurances, payroll administration, etc.
Once they become legal, they can’t work for lower wages, and employers have to pay insurances and payroll taxes.
Adios, amigos.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
Aquagirl
“If you still have illegal immigrants coming here and deny them housing, medical services, education, etc. then you will have a lot of sick, uneducated, homeless illegal immigrants”
They main reason they come here is economic. Take that away then what do they have? Nothing
“We could pay $50 more in groceries every week, it would offset the taxes we pay to cover the illegals who help give us cheap produce and meats. I’m not opposed to the idea of bringing in temporary laborers for seasonal work.”
I agree. As I said we need the workers. There will be a shortage in the near future, “if” the economy runs at the present course. If you want to offer some of these individuals citizenship, so be it.
On what points do we disagree?
By DebbieDoRight
June 28, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
My point hombre is that the cuban americans were once immigrants also, some of them illegal. They came to america, they had children, and though some of them couldn’t speak english they made sure their children did. Their children were born citizens, and they have the right to vote. They voted for people who looked like them, sounded like them and thought like them.
If an illegal cuban makes it to American soil and the Coast Guard tries to stop them and/or send him/her back to Cuba; the Cubans in Miami close down the whole city; because they can, because they own it.
By defeating this bill, America is back at one, with laws that are on the books but basically too cumbersome to uphold. In a few years, you won’t have to worry about it; the Latin population will breed you out then VOTE you out.
Hágale habla español?
By RCH
June 28, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
*By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda *
That is the point. Once they are legal and require legal pay , those same employeers will search for new illegals to pay the lower wage. Now what do you do with the first batch? A new wave of unemployable, working, poor. You have to end that cycle first.
By harold
June 28, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
THAT IS ENOUGH ABOUT ILLEGALS…
UNLESS IT IS ABOUT ILLEGAL DRUNK SUSPENDED LICENSED DRIVER PARIS “THAT’S HOT” HILTON!!!
By harold
June 28, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
BUT SERIOUSLY HAROLD JUST SAW ON FOXNEWS THAT DUBYA HAS UNFURLED HIS MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BANNER AGAIN FOR THE SUCCESS OF HIS IMMIGRATION BILL!
By RCH
June 28, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Debbiedoright
“In a few years, you won’t have to worry about it; the Latin population will breed you out then VOTE you out.”
That may be the case, but today 70% of the nation said ” No way Jose”.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Harold Do you really believe she does not know where the gas cap is on her $400,000 Bentley?
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
RCH, the economic reason bringing them here is jobs. Yes, they like the other bennies too. On the practical side, when you don’t give people medical care they either show up dying at your ER’s or create public health hazards. There is no way we can tell a doctor or nurse to stand there and watch a patient come to harm because they’re illegal. It’s unrealistic and requires healthcare workers to assume a moral burden that they shouldn’t have to carry.
Same for other services.
And why do we have to make temporary workers citizens? Companies can pay to truck them in and truck them out. Require the companies to account for the workers. Too many of them don’t get on the bus back home, and some rich white people go to jail. I’m referring to literal seasonal work, as in agriculture. None of that crap for chicken processing or construction.
The current economy is propped up by cheap illegal labor. If we pulled it away, it would hurt in terms of housing prices, etc. But it would cost less in social spending, etc. Idiot Americans would be screaming that they couldn’t buy their goods as cheaply, but why the hell are we entitled to overconsumption anyway? In the long run, it’s bad.
The illegal labor cycle is started by one group: Employers. They can sell more goods at a lower price, while passing on hidden costs to consumers in the form of medical care, education, law enforcement, and other areas.
It temporarily benefits illegals because they can raise their standard of living. That benefit comes at the expense of their compadres back home, and in a very bizarre and inefficient way.
And of course it benefits politicians like the esteemed Sen. Chambliss. They can raise enough money from agribusiness to establish big campaign funds. They then smear opponents like Max Cleland while brainwashing neo-conservatives, who never make the connection that they elected the man who helped cause the problem.
Kool-aid tasty enough for ya? I think that’s where we disagree. You don’t see that the people you champion are throwing out pseudo-solutions like “secure the borders”. They won’t solve the problem because to them it isn’t a problem.
By harold
June 28, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Did anybody see SICKO yet?
Harold really liked the part about differnt people with different “100%” dental coverage getting different reimbursement amounts at teh same dentist for the same procedure.
One insurance company claims “reasonable and customary” charges are about 60% of what the charges were costing the insuree $44 out of pocket but another company has their insuree paying only $6 out of pocket
Since they all claim to define their “rasonable and customary” fees based on whats charged in the zipcode how come one person’s out of pocket was 730% that of the other person when they both have supposedly 100% coverage?
harold would like to see worthless insruance commisioner OXENDINE address that. yeah right that guy is a joke and a half unless you are an indsurance lobbyist type
By RCH
June 28, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
*Aquagirl8 Take;
RCH, the economic reason bringing them here is jobs. Yes, they like the other bennies too. On the practical side, when you don’t give people medical care they either show up dying at your ER’s or create public health hazards. There is no way we can tell a doctor or nurse to stand there and watch a patient come to harm because they’re illegal. It’s unrealistic and requires healthcare workers to
Simply give first aid, call immigration, arrest them ,deport them. If it doesn’t economically benefit them they will stop.
“The current economy is propped up by cheap illegal labor. If we pulled it away, it would hurt in terms of housing prices, etc. But it would cost less in social spending, etc. Idiot Americans would be screaming that they couldn’t buy their goods as cheaply, but why the hell are we entitled to overconsumption anyway? In the long run, it’s bad.
The illegal labor cycle is started by one group: Employers. They can sell more goods at a lower price, while passing on hidden costs to consumers in the form of medical care, education, law enforcement, and other areas.” I agree. Make fines and penalties so heavy, it makes no economic sense to hire them. I would rather pay more on the consumption side than on the tax side.
“And why do we have to make temporary workers citizens? Don’t really have too.
“Companies can pay to truck them in and truck them out. Require the companies to account for the workers. Too many of them don’t get on the bus back home, and some rich white people go to jail. I’m referring to literal seasonal work, as in agriculture. None of that crap for chicken processing or construction.” You and I can go into this business of guest employees. Establish work centers in Latin America, etc. and let the companies come to us for the labor. We do the screening and enforcement.
Long before Max we had this problem. Are we going to whine about it or do something about it. See Debbiedorights blog. What do you think they are planning to do?
Enough about this bill. Do you really believe Paris Hilton didn’t know what a Wall-Mart is? LOL
By Redneck Convert
June 28, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
I almost choked on my chicken Vienna sausage when I learnt the Senate done the Right thing by voting down this amnesty bill.
If the employers want to hire Mexicans, they should do it the way they always done it—just bring them in and pertend all the paperwork is good and kind of wink and nod and put them to work. It has worked for 30 yrs. and it will work for another 30. Sure, you can kind of have a big raid of a plant oncet in a while and round up all the illegals just to show the public you are enforcing the law.
But don’t make them legal. That would make them as good as us good rednecks and they would take our good jobs. Next thing you know they would be taking over our bowling alleys and our trailer parks and we would be mowing the yards of their big houses for them.
I see the Supreme Court has made sure my grandson little Sonny Zell George don’t have to go to school with any of Those People. They outlawed putting kids in schools just so they could mix up the races. We are getting back to the ways us rednecks like. I only wish My President and Mr. Cheney could stay as kind of king and prince another 40 or 50 yrs. so we can be sure we will keep going in the Right direction.
This tftt is making a lot of sense today. He hates me but he thinks like me about the illegals problem and the race-mixing. I hope he gets treatment real soon so we can hang out together.
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
RCH,
Simply give first aid, call immigration, arrest them ,deport them. If it doesn’t economically benefit them they will stop.
Again, I think it unrealistic to make healthcare workers into INS agents. Doctors really do have to ignore the status of their patients…they treat drunk drivers who run over little old ladies, prison inmates, etc. When you ask them to start making decisions on who they care for, and to enforce laws that others should be enforcing, it just ain’t gonna work. And it shouldn’t. Plus, there is a very big downside into scaring illegals away from all healthcare. TB or Plague outbreak anyone?
Long before Max we had this problem. Are we going to whine about it or do something about it.
Well, I personally support politicians who didn’t create the whole damn mess and offer solutions to get out of it: Libertarians. But then people on this blog think it means I’m on drugs. Maybe I should be, since more of them support political parties and politicians who saddle them with 12 million illegal immigrants because they don’t give a damn. All the while whining like Jim that the best we can do is ask for lube while we’re being…never mind.
You and I can go into this business of guest employees. Establish work centers in Latin America, etc. and let the companies come to us for the labor. We do the screening and enforcement.
See, RCH, you’re a Libertarian at heart. Private enterprise and the free market is more efficient at solving economically-based problems. If the government did this, they’d create TSA all over again.
Now, did Paris Hilton really not know about Wal-Mart? Damn, for one second there I envied her.
By BS Aplenty (Hell Freezes Over)
June 28, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Re: Aquagirl
Point well made (w/ significant contributions by RCH). Congratulations.
By RCH
June 28, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Aquagirl
Again, I think it unrealistic to make healthcare workers into INS agents. Doctors really do have to ignore the status of their patients…they treat drunk drivers who run over little old ladies, prison inmates, etc. When you ask them to start making decisions on who they care for, and to enforce laws that others should be enforcing, it just ain’t gonna work. And it shouldn’t. Plus, there is a very big downside into scaring illegals away from all healthcare. TB or Plague outbreak anyone?
Go to an emergency room with a gunshot and see how fast the police are there. I never said not treat them, do and then inform authorities. If they do have communicable diseases they must be stopped before they even get here. Again , we need to make it economically negative to come here illegally. Float somewhere between Libertarian and right wing.
By Aquagirl
June 28, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Yes, AJC readers everywhere now know that Paris Hilton was tragically unaware of the fine shopping experience of Wal-Mart. And people say this blog is a waste of time!!!!
Thanks RCH. You’re a master debater.
Now who’s up for a group hug? C’mon everyone…kummbay-ya my lord, kumm-by-yahhh…..
Now go forth and vote Libertarian. We can all smoke pot and watch the Pilgrim Chicken executives get dragged off to jail. It’s the America that the Founding Fathers envisioned.
By Lee
June 28, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
OK, I gotta vent…
What moron at the Atlanta City Hall approved a march that would come down Peachtree right about 3 o’clock, which, as anyone with an IQ above room temperature, is the beginning of rush hour(s).
(Yeah, I know. When you say moron and Atlanta, you are repeating yourself)
By getalife
June 28, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Wingnuts Denounce “Tin-Foil Hat” Liberals While Embracing Paranoid Conspiracy Theories
Geez.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
Dear Dennis @ 12:51, I struck you out with a lazy looping curve. The Jones case, decided 8-1 in 1983 or so, is exactly what you are talking about with your 11:24 drivel, “Seems the IRS told liberal churches they could not preach against the Iraq war and against Bush policies of that war, and if they did, the churches could lose their tax exempt status.” In that case, argued by then-President Reagan’s Solicitor, the court answered your question. I suppose you and I may agree that the dissent, authored by Justice Rehnquist, had the better part of the argument. In those pre-Scalia et al days, leftist control, of the message allowed to be preached, was the fashionable idea; aren’t we all glad those days are past.
By jbmlaw
June 28, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Dear Dennis, in my 5:01, my last line should have read “government control,” not “leftist control.” Apologies for sloppy draftsmanship.
By ckt
June 29, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
“set out a parade of horribles that they claim could occur”
sounds eerily familiar to what you do with the stem cell debate, doesn’t it???
i love conservatives that are blind to their own techniques.
nice.