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DEL.ICIO.USFrom sprawl to Israel to rented rims
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s Friday free-for-all. Pick a topic:
• Grab the children, school them at home. When zero tolerance is interpreted so that children are forced to cut the guns off toy plastic soldiers, as was done in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., it’s time to take the children and run — either to form private schools or to school them at home.
• I can never see the “sultan of sprawl” label applied to former Gwinnett County Chairman Wayne Hill without thinking it reflects bias. Truth is, he did a fine job of managing a fast-growing county. Stopping growth was never an option, though mismanaging it was.
• “I had one developer tell me he had just put in $300,000 to $400,000 in landscaping and he was going to do what he had to do,” said one of the water police in Forsyth County. If car-washing outfits can operate during drought, an exception surely should be made for developers putting in new projects.
• OK, smart guys and career second-guessers on Iraq, what should Israel do now that Gaza is a terrorist campground and the West Bank is a land mine of exploding possibilities? Certainly the U.S. should lift the embargo, as it did. And Israel is right to unfreeze millions in Palestinian tax receipts. Both strengthen President Mahmoud Abbas and his Hamas-less government. Israel, however, is now bracketed by Hamas and Hezbollah with Syria and Iran wishing their destruction. Second-guessing is easy. Charting this course is not.
• In a full press release promoting commuter rail between Atlanta and Macon, and a next-day news story about the staged event in Griffin, not one of the seven or so people quoted appears to have any need to use it to commute to either Atlanta or Macon. Said one of the interest-group big shots there: “Building more roads to alleviate congestion is like buying a bigger pair of pants for obesity. It’s just going to make things worse.” Huh? Buy the bigger pants, son. Do it for the rest of us.
• Juvenile Court Judge Tom C. Rawlings of Sandersville, the newly appointed state child advocate, is a first-rate pick. His selection is a reminder that there’s a replacement capable and qualified for every one of us.
• An etiquette question: If one wishes to give a spouse rent-to-own rims for an anniversary, birthday or Christmas, is it sufficient to pay only the first month’s rim-rent?
• And what chance do conservatives have of cultivating a culture of personal responsibility and self-reliance when rent-to-own rims fall into a category described by Larry Sutton, the president of the 60-store Rent-n-Roll chain thusly: “We want to feel good about the way we look: ‘I don’t want to wait for that. I don’t want to save for that. I just want it.’” Man, when the rims are rented, I’m guessing the 401(k) or the Roth IRA is sliding.
• The head of France’s Socialist Party, Francois Hollande, splits with its recent presidential candidate, Segolene Royal, with whom he had four children over three decades. They never married. They would have, she suggested in a recent book, but he allowed his friends to talk him out of it. A couple that can’t commit after four children is most likely not nuclear-trigger material. French voters agreed.
• Looking for the real-deal fiscal conservative? It’d be hard to beat U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a Coweta County Republican who’s certain to take a media bashing — paid and free — for voting against a proposed $100 million federal program to investigate unsolved murders from the civil rights era. He’s one of two members of the House to vote no; presidential candidate Ron Paul of Texas was the other. Westmoreland’s the guy who, as minority leader in the Georgia House, opposed the first Republican governor in 134 years for submitting a tax increase in his first year in office in 2003. He was one of the few, too, who voted in Congress against a $62 billion no-accountability check for Hurricane Katrina relief. And what does it mean that his district is described, in the context of voting against this proposal, as “largely rural”? Is that code?
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By TW
June 22, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
“• OK, smart guys and career second-guessers on Iraq, what should Israel do now that Gaza is a terrorist campground and the West Bank is a land mine of exploding possibilities?”
Being that we’re Israel’s Daddy, perhaps we could start by making sure the President of the United States’ IQ is higher than what he blows on the breathalyzer….after all, we ain’t payin’ him $400k/yr to wear a suit…
By Harold
June 22, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this
So the Lovejoy commuter train line wouldn’t pay for itself for 44 years, huh.
When is I-75 going to pay for itself? How about I-85? and I-20? Never, right?
When comaparing commuter rail to the cost of public roadways, why are gasoline and private motor vehicle ownership costs never included? Why is that? Hmmm… Could it be… Because commuter rail is far less costly? Yep.. Yep that’s why.
Roads are the biggest scam EVER. We can see what cigarettes did to us. Why can’t we see what cars are doing to us? 45,000 dead Americans every year plus millions at the ER. If our cars were named Osama Bin Laden we would let them go. Hey wait, I guess our cars ARE named Osama Bin Laden!!
By Planner
June 22, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this
OK, smart guys and career second-guessers on Iraq, what should Israel do now that Gaza is a terrorist campground and the West Bank is a land mine of exploding possibilities?
Perhaps if we had any political capital left on the world stage, we could do something about the situation. But we squandered all that in Iraq. “Charting a course” in the Middle East is certainly tough, but making a disastrous wrong turn and then being unwilling to stop, ask directions and try a different route doesn’t mean “smart guys and career second-guessers” are to blame when you find yourself hopelessly lost in a bad neighborhood.
“Building more roads to alleviate congestion is like buying a bigger pair of pants for obesity. It’s just going to make things worse.” Huh? Buy the bigger pants, son. Do it for the rest of us.
What if each pair of bigger pants cost $4 billion? There’s only so many of those you can afford.
And what chance do conservatives have of cultivating a culture of personal responsibility and self-reliance when rent-to-own rims fall into a category described by Larry Sutton, the president of the 60-store Rent-n-Roll chain thusly: “We want to feel good about the way we look: ‘I don’t want to wait for that. I don’t want to save for that. I just want it.’”
And Republicans share no blame for promoting self-destructive consumerism? I seem to recall that it was our patriotic duty in the wake of the 9/11 recession to go out and spend money. Personally, this liberal was disgusted by the quote and thinks anybody who rents rims is lacking in brain cells. I don’t think it’s a reflection of their political beliefs.
By harold
June 22, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this
Why in hell should any water ban exception be made for developers putting in new projects?
If there’s not enough water for the people already living here, there should not be any new projects. Period.
Metro Atlanta has no observable boundaries, but the capacities of electrical service and water and sewer and transportation service are existing legitimate boundaries.
Why do we continue to ignore these boundaries?
We need a damn ocean or something. Nothing else will prevent development here. The ARC and city councils sure won’t prevent development. That’s more money for them. When the people who should restrict development are dependent upon it occurring, how is a region supposed to remain viable?
By harold
June 22, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
You can rent rims? Spinny rims that go on cars? Awesum! Where???
By A Simple Question
June 22, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
You can move 2,000 people in 2,000 vehicles from Point A to Point B(driving alone on a freeway). Or you can move those same 2,000 people in 1 vehicle (on a train). Which sounds more cost effective?
By jm
June 22, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this
OK, smart guys and career second-guessers on Iraq, what should Israel do now that Gaza is a terrorist campground and the West Bank is a land mine of exploding possibilities?
Try releasing Marwan Barghouti from prison. He has the credibility with the militant factions of Fatah that Abbas lacks. The problem is that he is a strong and capable leader which is the last thing Israel wants for the palestinians.
car washing outfits recycle their water, if devlopers can do the same I have no problem with them watering their $400,000 landscaping.
Gee two southern congressman voting against investigating old civil rights murders, imagine that.
By jm
June 22, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this
OK, smart guys and career second-guessers on Iraq, what should Israel do now that Gaza is a terrorist campground and the West Bank is a land mine of exploding possibilities?
Try releasing Marwan Barghouti from prison. He has the credibility with the militant factions of Fatah that Abbas lacks. The problem is that he is a strong and capable leader which is the last thing Israel wants for the palestinians.
car washing outfits recycle their water, if devlopers can do the same I have no problem with them watering their $400,000 landscaping.
Gee two southern congressman voting against investigating old civil rights murders, imagine that.
By yawn
June 22, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this
Good, Jim. Go ahead and order bigger pants for the largely rural largeazzes found between Atlanta and Macon.
By Mid-South Philosopher
June 22, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
I finally have my head above water.
Private school and home school…come, come now Jim…remember…no child left behind and no teacher left with one!
Of course, you are correct about the idiocy in Rancho Palos Verdes no tolerance policy. Just the results the ultra-liberal and ultra conservative influence on schools. Most school administrator are so concerned about not being politically incorrect that they err on the side of illogic. It happens most of the time because of the influence of liberal parenting, which is near to no parenting at all, but there are examples of it coming from conservative influences as well.
With regard to Israel’s difficulties, I fear that they have become like we Americans. We will confront our adversaries, but we have to play nice. If we had applied the Billy Sherman style of war in Iraq instead of the Billy Westmoreland, we might be finished with the idiocy by now.
The Israelis need to deal with Hamas with a sense of finality.
By Jo
June 22, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
Referring to Gwinnett County Chairman Wayne Hill, Mr. Wooten wrote “Stopping growth was never an option…”
Mr. Wooten doesn’t appear to know that “growth” or “no growth” are not the only two options. The issue in Gwinnett had to do with the rate of growth and the kind of growth. Subdivisions and congestion might be Mr. Wooten’s preference for Gwinnett, but not everybody shares his vision – as demonstrated by the voters who booted Hill.
By harold
June 22, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
44 years after I-75 was built, it wants $4 billion
If today were 44 years after the Lovejoy line was built, we’d be having a party for it being completely paid for (according to its DETRACTORS no less)
By RCH
June 22, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this
I know crimes during the civil rights era are important , but are we not better served with solving crimes that happened yesterday?
By Missy
June 22, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this
No exceptions on water restrictions for developers! If the penalty isn’t sufficient enough to stop the developer from watering, then we need to increase the penalty.
As somebody who has a 1/2 acre lawn (relatively large by Atlanta standards) that is rapidly deteriorating, I believe we need to take our drought extremely seriously. As some alluded to yesterday, Australia is suffering from a six-year drought with no end in sight (they went from a major grain exporter to a grain importer). We shouldn’t look at this drought as a minor inconvenience — it might last. And I’ll gladly sacrifice my lawn for a daily shower and drinking water.
In the meantime, developers need to recognize that the climate is changing and make adjustments to their landscape designs.
By Cathy
June 22, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this
A few ideas on Israel:
Trade land for peace (Israel is settling on land that they captured in 1967).
The U.S. should withhold or restrict aid to Israel (including sales of military supplies) while they continue to flaunt U.N. resolutions.
Israel can tear down the wall built on Palestinian land and rebuild it on Israel’s border.
We should also insist on a committment from Israel that they’ll never use cluster bombs again (again, with significant financial penalties from not complying with such committments).
Israel should identify the location of all land mines in southern Lebanon.
Bush should consider the concept of diplomacy.
By harold
June 22, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
Harold is all for people renting rims.
The thing with rentals and leases is, “luxury” items are no longer luxury once you can rent/lease them.
Any fool can get these things whether or not they have good credit (or gasp, cash on hand).
When luxury items are no longer luxury items, like BMW and Lexus and Jaguar offering leases, then the perceived “status” is lost.
Everyone assumes it’s just a lease/rental and the renter/lessee is just another poor moron.
Thus, nobody is going to buy rims or BMWs or Lexus SUVs or the like because there are plenty of poor people living in big crappy apartment complexes leasing them!
If you want people to think you live in a crappy roach infested apartment complex and drive a rental car with rental rims, go get yourself an Escalade or Lexus or BMW!
Everyone knows that people with real money dont waste it on that sort of garbage. If you waste your money on that sort of garbage, you’ll never have any money to speak of.
So, rent away, rimmers!!! And HAPPY PRIDE WEEKEND!
By Van
June 22, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
OK, smart guys and career second-guessers on Iraq, what should Israel do now that Gaza is a terrorist campground and the West Bank is a land mine of exploding possibilities?
Lock and Load. Israel will be attacked soon and they better get ready. The fractured Arab world has tried several times to remove Israel from the thin strip of land next to the sea. All have failed.
Where would you rather live, in modern Israel or Gaza City? Arabs were given a choice to make back in the late 40’s, many did not choose wisely, some did and live peacefully as Israeli citizens with full rights and privileges.
By Courtney
June 22, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this
The “rim shots” by Mr. Wooten (bullet points seven and eight above) are his race-baiting blurbs for the day. For the non-regulars here, he generally includes at least one every Friday and tries to slip such comments in throughout the week, whether or not the comment is actually related to the topic.
Wooten’s biggest fans (Van, Dusty, jbmlaw, Markus, etc.) eat that stuff up.
By Southern Democrat
June 22, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
I’m glad to see the condemnation of France’s philandering candidate.
I will save it for the next time something positive is written about Rudy Giuliani, John McCain or Newt Gingrich.
If one reads bullet points 2 and 3 of the column today, one gets a picture of who gets Jim’s sympathy. It is not the middle class or the overworked or even the overtaxed, but the downtrodden DEVELOPERS.
Funny, I find 97% of the Atlanta region’s problems traceable TO developers. I guess it’s a matter of perspective.
By AJ
June 22, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten,
Interesting observation about the couple from the French Socialist Party. However, closer to home, I notice that you’re silent on the records regarding “commitment” of the major Republican candidates and candidates-to-be.
By Van
June 22, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
Cathy,
What you are saying is that the UN had no right to grant the Jews a home land and they should leave.
Everyone of your bullet points is called “surrender”
Israel won that land in the ‘67 war, it belongs to them by international law. If they give it up, it goes back to the people they captured it from, Gaza would go back to Egypt and the so-called west bank would return to Jordan.
BTW, what is your definition on who is a Palestinian? Is it the people that lived there before Israel became a state, whether or not they were Jewish, Christian or Muslim?
By K-Squared
June 22, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
I wonder what Lynn Westmoreland’s record is when it comes to earmarks, Jim? Earmarks quadrupled (or something to that effect) while the Republicans led the Congress. Was Westmoreland was above it, or was he only above it when such spending affects areas or issues that are “largely urban”?
By Van
June 22, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
Courtney,
Race baiting??? I didn’t see one reference to race. Am I missing something here? I saw a reference to someone that started a business to fill a need, hired many people (60 shops). A pure capitalist.
Where is race part of that equation???
By harold
June 22, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
ISRAEL SHOULD RENT A BUNCH OF RIMS FROM DUBAI AND HAND THEM OUT TO PALESTINIANS IN TRADE FOR THEIR LAND
ISRAEL SHOULD PAY ONLY THE FIRST MONTH’S RENTAL FEE OF COURSE
THEN THE PALESTINIANS WILL ATTACK DUBAI AND MAYBE KILL MICHAEL JACKSON
By Cathy
June 22, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
Van wrote “What you are saying is that the UN had no right to grant the Jews a home land and they should leave…Israel won that land in the ‘67 war, it belongs to them by international law.”
Van is misinformed.
Read, don’t read about, but actually read U.N. Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. They’re very brief and clear.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
Courtney I see all types of individuals putting expensive rims on cheap cars. Most of them tend to be young and foolish. If you want to play race, try the 100 million for crimes committed during the civil rights era. You may have better luck.
By Van
June 22, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Cathy,
The PA never endorsed UN Resolution 242. Minister Nabil Shaath declared that the PA will not accept “borders based on UN Resolution 242, which we believe is no longer suitable.”
When the Arab world agrees with the second part of UN 242, then MAYBE there will be peace. -
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
So far as I know Hamas and Fatah do not recognize the right of Israel to exist.
By Van
June 22, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
Cathy,
Have you looked at Fatah’s Constitution?
Article 12 of Fatah’s Constitution enunciates the aim of achieving the “[c]omplete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.”
Article 17 states that “Armed public revolution is the inevitable method to liberating Palestine.”
Again, where would you like to live, Israel or the West Bank?
By reuben
June 22, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim:
It’s the OCCUPATION, stupid. Stop the giveaway of $$ and planes and guns to the Israeli-rightists and watch how quickly things normalize.
By Frank Kimler
June 22, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
Yeah, way to go Westmoreland. If it was your family who was murdered and no one was found responsible, I suppose it would still be great that he opposed trying to find out who did it and bring them to justice.
By WAR EAGLE
June 22, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
Cathy, Since you like the terrorists, why don’t you invite Hamas to live in your house. Israel won the land that was up for grabs in 1967. Using your argument, we should trade texas to mexico for their pledge to keep their citizens inside mexico. Israel needs to elimninate these palestinians that have NO right to the land-they were kicked out of jordan and syria for being too radical-NO muslim country wants them. I say we put them in Iraq, divide Iraq into 4 areas-a kurdish area, a palestinian area, a sunni area and a shiite area. And then we take over the oil fields. The if anyone gets out of line, they can handle it themselves or the Turks will come in and wipe them out. We need to wipe out Iran b4 we have another Nazi Germany on our hands. Israel should drop the Bomb on Gaza and wipe out Hamas-then watch the towel wearers run. If we do not recognize your right to exist in your city, does that give us the right to wipe you out? Well, the Arabs only recognize Muslim countries. So unless you are willing to wear a burka and give up your christianity, I suggest you start supporting the good guys and not the terrorist palestinians.
By Van
June 22, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
reuben,
You really think the arabs in that area of the world would allow Israel to exist if they disarmed? You have been into some illegal substances. Your thinking is faulty.
By Dusty
June 22, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat 8:51.
I see you are as open minded as usual.
As to philandering politicians that come to mind when you read about the loser in France, did Bill Clinton(D) ever come to your mind? Strange you should only mention Republicans with many marriages to tie in with a French politico with four children and no marriage.
But congratulations!! You found that 97% of Atlanta’s regional problems are due to developers. WOW!! YOU DID NOT BLAME PRESIDENT BUSH for that one. What’s this world coming to? But I do commend you for taking one baby step toward reality. Now try another one.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
Frank Are the lives of individuals killed not during the civil rights era less important. All crime should be solved. This bill would further divide us racially.
By jbmlaw
June 22, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Now Jim, I am as hostile to government doctrination as anyone, but I do not attribute anything Californian to our Georgia government schools. Vouchers remain a good idea even without regard to California lunacy.
We moved to Gwinnett several years ago from a small college town in a county adjacent to another large Southern city. Gwinnett is larger than the large Southern city we avoided living in then. Pretty good quality of life; even Mrs. jbmlaw, who hates the traffic, loves having four Targets and three Kohl’s in close driving distance. I can credit Mr. Hill with not screwing it up – at least his government did not embarrass us with graft and employee harassment, in contrast to Fulton, Dekalb, or Clayton. And they seemingly resisted the nazi-like tendencies you documented in Forsyth today.
The rail issue allows us to borrow the only funny feminist line: “Atlanta and Macon need a rail like a fish needs a bicycle.”
The “rent-to-own-rims” business seems likely to last about as long as all the little diet supplement sellers that pop up and disappear over time. Of course, I thought the same about bottled water.
Thanks for the profile of Rep. Westmoreland, sounds like my kind of curmudgeon. Previously the only congressman I really liked was Burke Hickenlooper of Iowa (not sure of that spelling.) He was the original “Dr. No.”
By zombieboy
June 22, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Lets stop talking about them A-rabs and start talking abour REAL issues here in the ATL….namely them rims.
I wants to get some for my ole lady and I can rent them…how many payments am I obliged to make til she picks up the rest?
I have a limited budget with baby formula and diapers and all that. Not to mention what I have to pay out every month in probation and ankle monitoring fees…that government check only goes so far…..
What would yall do in my shoes?
By Southern Democrat
June 22, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
RCH,
I respectfully disagree with you regarding expenditures for civil rights era crimes. I think it is important that we always be open about our past transgressions (side note - I commend Gen. Hayden for releasing the “family jewels” of the CIA). We spent (and spend) millions ensuring we never forget the horrors of the Holocaust and the Truth and Reconciliation commission in South Africa was painful and costly, but was a huge step forward in bringing whites and blacks together.
By snapfinger
June 22, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
Being that we’re Israel’s Daddy, perhaps we could start by making sure the President of the United States’ IQ is higher than what he blows on the breathalyzer…
Actually considering how much money we give around the world including the UN, I’d say we are the world’s daddy. As far as the little W jab, you wingnuts on the loon left say W is stupid. Yet at the same time he is apparently so intelligent that he can concoct up attacking his own nation for Iraqi oil and be successful at it, manipulate world oil market prices, and put one over on the “more intelligent” congressional democrats and sucker them into voting for the Iraqi war in 2003. You lib wingnuts crack me up.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat Those millions spent for the Holocaust commission and memorial are from private funds. This is tax payers money. I think it is time to allow the wound to heal and not be torn open again. There is plenty of crime to be solved in todays world. Lets concentrate on that.
By jm
June 22, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
dusty: other philanderers for you newt gingrich (r) and rudy guiliani (r). sorry that one is not party specific.
By jbmlaw
June 22, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
Dear Cathy @ 8:39, I respectfully suggest you have it backwards in your final bullet point. If President Bush had a backbone, the bad guys would be asking him to consider diplomacy. Where are the nukes?
By Really RCH
June 22, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
Cold case files - bury them with the victim. We have enough to worry about than the widow or child of some long gone crime victim. Tell them to get over it already.
By call 911
June 22, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
Hello Police, I’d like to report a robbery in progress. The main suspect’s name is John Lewis, but he has several hundred accomplices. He is trying to steal my tax dollars for a political stunt to catch people who died years ago.
By Adam
June 22, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
Any bets on how much of that $100 mil would be earmarked to Jessie, Al et al for “community outreach”? What about another $100 mil for JonBenet, Jimmy Hoffa, Judge Crater and Amelia Earhart?
By call 911
June 22, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
Hello Police, I’d like to report a robbery in progress. The main suspect’s name is John Lewis, but he has several hundred accomplices. He is trying to steal my tax dollars for a political stunt to catch people who died years ago.
By Shar
June 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Exceptions for developers? Why not an exception for the elderly lady who lives down the block and tends the garden she planted years and years ago when her children were small? She is now saving all of her grey water (from her shower, cooking, etc.) and carrying it by hand to save her precious plants. The developer thinks that the money he spends entitles him to “do what he needs to do”, which is break the law and steal the water the rest of us need to wash and drink, so that he can maximize his profit.
The daily “more road” cry is an exception for developers, too. Runaway development, grabbing the bucks while ignoring the effect on roads, water, schools, etc, has contributed mightily to overused watersheds and stifling congestion. The Wayne Hills of the world stuff their pockets and the little old lady who has been here for 60 years is carrying her shower water. Something is seriously acock.
“And what chance do conservatives have of cultivating a culture of personal responsibility and self-reliance”…when they have taken the biggest surplus in history and turned it into the biggest deficit? Let’s not worry about something as ridiculous and fleeting as rent-to-own rims. Our attention needs to be on our national version of 401K; Social Security, Medicare/caid and a sustainable trade balance. Foolish personal expenditure is easier to ridicule but far less significant than our current economic disaster.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
ReallyRCH How about the widow and child that is not attached to the civil rights era. Is there suffering and pain less?
By Frances Beinecke
June 22, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
What a fantastic victory for our environment!
Last night, the U.S. Senate passed an energy bill that would greatly improve the fuel economy of our nation’s cars for the first time since 1975 — cutting America’s oil dependence and global warming pollution in the process.
By a 65 to 27 vote, the Senate adopted a measure that would require cars, trucks and sport-utility vehicles to get 35 miles per gallon by 2020 — compared with a paltry 25 miles per gallon today.
It was a stunning setback for the auto companies, who fought tooth and nail against an energy bill that will drag America out of our gas guzzling past and into a more energy efficient future.
And what a historic moment for millions of us who have worked so hard — for so many years — to break the automakers’ stranglehold on Washington for the sake of a healthier planet.
What a difference five years makes! The last time we fought this battle, in 2002, the automakers barely broke a sweat. But since then, the American people have glimpsed an oil-dependent future of skyrocketing gas prices, catastrophic global warming and unending wars over fossil fuels.
America does not want to go there. You delivered that message to the Senate loud and clear, and the Senate heard you.
We still have to fight this battle all over again in the House before this fuel economy measure becomes law. And we’ll be calling on you to make your voice heard in that chamber at the critical moment.
But you and I deserve one day to savor a victory that has been so many decades in the making. Thank you for doing your part to make it happen.
Sincerely,
Frances Beinecke NRDC Action Fund
By getalife
June 22, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this
“Big Oil seems to do pretty well here on Capitol Hill,” Reid told reporters, making no effort to hide his sarcasm.
The energy bill passed late last night.
Not much to it but a little higher fuel mileage standard.
By Adam
June 22, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Great opportunity here for the dems to boost their popularity ratings in Congress. Introduce “Rim Subsidy Payments” for their long suffering constituents. After all the welfare checks only go so far.
By Killin' Time
June 22, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
getalife,
Gotta take what we can. Baby steps and all that. First steps are always a big deal — and this one’s a biggie.
(Notice that trucks and SUVs aren’t exempted this time?)
By Southern Democrat
June 22, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
RCH,
Everything from the Nuremberg trials to US DOJ’s investigation of Swiss bank accounts has been paid for with public funds.
Similarly, the UN Courts for: Former Yugoslavia, Sierra Leone, and Rwanda have been paid for with public funds.
These tribunals are essential to ensuring we memorialize our failures as humans and punish wrongdoers accordingly. The $100 million is less than a month’s expenditures in Iraq.
By time for the truth
June 22, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
The media silence on yet another thuggish fatal black mob lynching, this time in Austin TX is DEAFENING. The handful of very terse, very short reports on the so called (pretty pointless) Juneteenth gatherings didn’t even mention that these scum were black. The other two equally violent and thuggish, albeit only luckily non fatal incidents up in yankkkee land similarly didn’t mention the black thugs involved, and were shamefully virtually ignored by the media. The poor Hispanic man literally beaten to death in TX - murdered by a hateful black lynch mob had commited NO crime, except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Funny how feral violent blacks are frequently allowed to behave like this with virtual media silence yet on the very rare occasions whites collectively get thuggish - say in mickey mouse college sports celebrations where no one gets hurt the leftist media is all over it with live TV footage etc. Liberal media racism is alive and well folks!!!
Last night I saw a segment on thuggish, extremely violent young lesbian gangs. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!! These evil d ikes rape and molest very young teenage girls and force them into gang membership, then hunt and attack like wild animals in huge packs on usually solitary (male) prey. Some of these sick b itches even carry “pink pistols” i.e. pink sprayed 9mm Glocks. D ikish feral gangs are now the “latest” fast growing urban/metro thang. Funny how the media have all but ignored this story too. They simply wont portray blacks and homos/d ikes in a bad light - NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!!
THE ONLY GOOD LIBERAL IS A DEAD LIBERAL!!!
Stories like these just underline the pragmatic, timeless wisdom of that witty “slogan”. Liberal (media) scum either utterly ignore or just very quietly gloss over the depravity of their own, yet screech blue murder about ANY and ALL “transgressions” by those who they despise/oppose.
Increasingly animal like violent black/liberal depravity - hippety hop and gangbanging and all the rest of it starkly reminds one of the final days of Imperial Rome. And the party of hate media and the leftist apologists simply sit there, like sullen spiteful multi cultural ostriches with their heads in the global whining, restorative justice, moral relativism sand playing with their crack pipes, bongs and mountain of Bush hate signs. Waiting for the complete breakdown of order in society and legalisation of around 40 million illegal leeches and their semi-literate dependants!!!
I nearly died laughing the other night when I saw on local black TV how loacl realtors in Clayton County had been desperately pleading with local black leaders in the county to do something about local violent black crime and the fear of crime which evidently is stopping many folks moving there … and then as this “worthy” meeting broke up TWO driveby shootings were swiftly perpetrated in good ol Clayton County. As usual the pandering cowards at WSB said NOTHING about who does the crime.
Where is the incessant media outrage on behalf of and by black folks??? Countless ordinary law abiding decent blacks are being systematically targeted or just end up dealing with the thuggery perpetrated by their own sullen ebonics spouting (gangbanging) gangsta wannabe yoofs. And the silence in the local media here is deafening. Yet professional/elected black racebaiters want to divert attention from the ever increasing hideously high level of black crime and p1ss away tens of millions of dollars on now relentlessly pursuing stone cold cases from 40 or so years ago, so they can noisily finger point at the bad old, undeniably evil days when blacks were disgustingly innocent victims. The irony of this is as racially repugnant as it gets!!!
I just love to see the usual rabid leftist anti-semitism dressed up as pro-PLO bigotry against Israel. Like uppity retarded lemmings the left sneer at Israel AND condemn the ONLY real democracy in the region for just moderately defending itself and its citizens from rabid systematic arab/mohammedan racism and genocide!!
Someone please build harold a bicycle lane into downtown Kabul and get him to ride it once!!!
By Van
June 22, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Frances Beinecke,
And what a painful penalty to saddle the tax payers with.
By Scholar
June 22, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
Van, “Lock and Load. Israel will be attacked soon and they better get ready. “
They already are. They have nuclear weapons. Beyond that they have one of the most capable armies in the world for their size. And, of course, they have the United Stated as an ally.
Regarding the rented rims, it is just capitalism at work. No, Jim, I don’t think that 401K’s or retirement plans are high on the priority list of anyone renting these things. Yes, even conservatives use credit to purchase things. You are just placing a value judgement on the necessity of the item.
By Wooten is a Racebaiter...
June 22, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
…and Adam swallows the hook. Good catch Jim.
By satchseven
June 22, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
we are not talking about mike vick,s dogs,we are talking about murder.if those spineless whites had turned in the killers in their towns we would not be doing this now.that is the ultimate stop snitching campaign i bet if they said 100mil to get oj whites would not say jack.sorry j edgar hoover did not do jack when emmett till,s killers bragged in life mag how they killed him. racism lives big in the south still.if it was your famly members you would want the folks who did it put on trial.how dare anyone say let murder slide.if was scores of blond white women you would not say that.unreal let the white killers slide because the victims were black. that is the same dumb mind set we took to iraq,i killed your kids but let,s be freinds now.
By getalife
June 22, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Killin Time,
Your right.
After the Baucus amendment got only 32 votes I thought this bill would not pass so it is better than nothing.
It took a military government to force Brazil to wean their oil addiction.
By Really RCH
June 22, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
No, RCH. Murder is murder regardless of who the victim is. Many of the civil rights era cold cases were never even investigated. Who know what slugs will come to the light of day after the rocks are overturned? Maybe law enforcement will get alot more for their 11.5 million than they had originally anticipated.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat These actions were against war criminals in their own homeland. They were held one or two years after wars end and dealt with swiftly. Five years after WWII all indictment power was given back to the Germans and Japanese. Most war criminals were than followed by private groups and reported to the respective govts. of those countries. It is now 40 yrs. after the civil rights movement. What good would become of this action?
By getalife
June 22, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
From Ganzo to cheney, illegal immigrants to civil right murders and the Iraq occupation, the right does not believe in justice.
Soft on crime creates a Gaza like situation.
By Really RCH
June 22, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this
The phony right-wing law and order types are hell bent on enforcing the law as long as it doesn’t interfere with anything that they want to do.
By jbmlaw
June 22, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Dear getalife @ 11:35, I believe you draw the wrong conclusion from your observations. The “right” does not believe in criminalizing everything; only the left uses the guns of government to enforce its “beliefs,” such as they are. Your definition of “justice” would approximate my definition of “leftist socialism.”
By time for the truth
June 22, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
@ satchsteventurd
Cheers for the superbly entertaining shrill sullen ebonics bubba. Its always jolly good fun cheerily ploughing through semi-literate embittered bollocks from moronic uppity black racebaiters. That cheered me up immensely. Knowing I am much cleverer, much wiser and far better educated than you is kindacool too!!!
I especially loved the superbly argued pithy bit about “racism lives big in the south still”. Which jailed/indicted hippety hop and/or NFL or NBA thug told you that? One unerringly imagines you are the kind of underclass racist scumbag who slavishly (sardonic pun intended) votes repeatedly? (gedditt??) for the likes of the McKinneys.
No salt on my chips (fries) please!!
By Adam
June 22, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
Wooten is a Racebaiter@11:22 …and Adam swallows the hook. Good catch Jim.
Who said anything about race except you? Maybe it’s your preconceived stereotyping that makes you so sensitive. Maybe your time would be better spent trying to improve your prejudicial outlook on the world rather than laying it off on others. Funny how you automatically associate these negative images with race.
By Cletus
June 22, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
I find it hard to believe that the Bozos in Washington would even discuss 100 million to catch criminals who commited crimes 60 years ago. How could there be any benefit to captureing dead people or at least near dead, would we build nurseing homes to house them or maybe just tie a knot in their oxygen tubes. Would you believe we pay John Lewis big bucks for this kind of thinking, We spent tons of money to catch Eric R. Rudolph and it was a fresh crime only to have a rookie cop discover him dumpster diveing. I have a neighbor who was a helicopter pilot during that fiasco, he alone flew 410.7 hours hunting Rudolph,just think how hundreds or maybe even thousands we had hunting him for over 5 years.
By time for the truth
June 22, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Adam’s as ever assiduously polite b!tchslapping was spot on!!
As ever the sullen hypocritical leftists and black crime apologists on here slither away from addressing my irrefutable substantive points @ 11.16am.
By getalife
June 22, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
fakelaw,
ganzo made the Justice Dept. part of the executive branch.
cheney started a forth branch of government thinking he is above the law and wants to shut down the records office.
Gitmo is unconstitutional.
Illegal spying on Americans, not enforcing the immigration laws, signing statements, Hatch Act, Records Act, etc…
You suk as a fake lawyer.
Geez.
By Proud Republican
June 22, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
GOP Operations Manual
Rhetorical Tactic 713: Make comments with racist implications, and then accuse those who call you on it of being racist.
Adam @12:00,
Well done.
By Proud Republican
June 22, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
For those interested in learning more about how to apply such rhetorical tactics, please open the GOP Operations Manual and turn to Chapter Two, “The Southern Strategy”.
By tionne
June 22, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Reading the stories about the drought in GA and in FL leads me to the following conclusion: You guys in the South have no concept of what water is really worth like we do out West.
There’s also apparently no value placed on conservation—no, actually there is nothing short of a water-entitlement mindset, which is hilarious in that it comes out in THIS column, which day after day is good for a laugh, if nothing else.
As an aside, hey Jim, how’s that whole prediction about the GOP holding onto both houses of the Congress working out for you? Talk about NOT having your finger on the pulse of the electorate!
Back to water: Developers: Here is an idea…instead of putting in landscaping that requires lots of water to maintain, perhaps you could try xeriscaping with native or less-water needy plants and landscaping instead.
Home users: Feel free to fill up the swimming pools and water the lawns because of your own narrow self-interests.
Lord knows that doing something for the good of the community as opposed to your own household is way beyond the pale, right? “But my kids want to play…”. Waah!
Fine people to the maximum extent possible. Make getting caught hurt. If need be, turn off the water to developers or individuals who don’t want to comply with the law.
Take some real steps…without adequate supplies of water, conservation measures, and a change in mindset, the water problems in GA will only get worse, not better.
By 54car54
June 22, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
For those interested in learning about how the Democrats work, please pick up the the Democrat[ic] Operations Manual, turn to Chapter One, and read “We can call minorities anything we want to and get away with it because we are Democrats.” Lesson II will involve Chapter 2 which is “We can commit all kinds of crimes and actually get away with it. Case study: Samuel Berger.” Lesson II will involve Chapter III which says “We are the only party that can support two sides of the issue depending on the part of the nation we are campaigning in.”
Tionne - You guys in the South have no concept of what water is really worth like we do out West.
It rains more in the south and midwest than it does out West. Try reading sometime on national rainfall and water table averages.
Getalife - Gitmo is unconstitutional
Enemy combatants not reflective of a specific nation and not wearing it’s uniform that engage our troops in combat actions are neither entitled to our constitutional rights or Geneva.
Are all libs this stupid or just the ones on this blog?
By Rone
June 22, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
Hey 54car54,
I believe Tionne was saying that we take water for granted here. So, the fact that it rains more in the south is actually proving the point. You should try reading more carefully.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Getalife Getalife - Gitmo is unconstitutional
Following up on Tionne, they are saboteurs with no rights whatsoever. Lets close Gitmo; and take them out to the nearest wall and shoot them. We have that right under the Geneva convention. How do you like the law now getalife.
By getalife
June 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
They will shut down gitmo idiot.
Gates and Powell tell that story.
Look it up genius.
Geez.
By 54car54 and Limbaugh
June 22, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
54car54 wrote, “Democrat[ic] Operations Manual…We can commit all kinds of crimes and actually get away with it. Case study: Samuel Berger”
Hey DittoHead,
Rush misinformed you again. Berger didn’t get away with jack — he plead guilty:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16706-2005Mar31.html
Maybe you should leave the blogging to others.
By melo
June 22, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
* And what does it mean that his district is described, in the context of voting against this proposal, as “largely rural”? Is that code*
You got it!! It means he comes from those areas where u find Rednecks and KKK mentality types, who dont give a fugg about Civil Rights. They care about their cattle, goats,farms,trucks and slave labor(cheap), if theay can get it, however way they can, to make buck.
By jbmlaw
June 22, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
Dear 54car54 @ 12:45, mostly just the ones on this blog. However, I would respectfully magnify for you my friend Southern Democrat – bright, reasoned, and reasonable, obviously skilled in debate. Midsouth Philosopher is also a centrist, I think he is maybe the smartest we have the privilege to read. Shar is comparatively new to the blog, much better than average sense of humor, knows why she believes what she believes. Redneck Convert and harold are gentle humorists. Wide variability in most of the others, usually not anywhere around the topic, especially if DNC has not published talking points.
By Jackie
June 22, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
I believe our problems in the Middle East would be solved when the USA demands that Israel treat those in Gaza and the West Bank humanely. Israel has a wall built around the world’s most densely populated area, 1.5 million people in approximately 200 square miles. They are restricted from using the beach, cannot go to Egypt, is economically dependent upon Israel to grow food and have business ventures, Israel still maintains and uses helicopters, jets, tanks and cannons to fire into Gaza. Is this not collective punishment and are they not in a virtual prison. Oh yes, the USA pays the Israeli government $35,000 for each Jewish person wishing to leave, especially eastern Europe, to settle in the West Bank. Wonder where Saddam came up with the concept of paying the suicide bombers $35,000? The West Bank is sub-divided like apartheid South Africa where the Palestenians cannot even use the roads that the Israelis have designated security. If you lived in those conditions, what would you do?
By Seriously
June 22, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
car54, would you please link to any post from any Wooten blog that defends Berger?
Please just one?
By RCH
June 22, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Jackie Thats like the pot calling the kettle black. Try being a Christian and living in Gaza. Christians can continue living safely in the Gaza Strip only if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview. The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in “missionary activity” will be “dealt with harshly.” I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza,” said Sheik Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, an Islamic outreach movement that recently announced the opening of a “military wing” to enforce Muslim law in Gaza.
Jihadia Salafiya is suspected of attacking a United Nations school in Gaza last month, after the school allowed boys and girls to participate in the same sporting event. One person was killed in that attack.Also the activities of Internet cafes, pool halls and bars must be stopped,” he said. “If it goes on, we’ll attack these things very harshly.” Also the activities of Internet cafes, pool halls and bars must be stopped,” he said. “If it goes on, we’ll attack these things very harshly.” His comments come after gunmen Sunday attacked Gaza’s Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers Now ask if I lived in those conditions what would I do?
By et
June 22, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
Have no fear. In just a few days our illustrious, Nobel Prize-winning Ex-President will come out with a vision for how to proceed in the Middle East now that his terrorist buddies have taken control of Gaza. And in the process, he’ll take the opportunity to further assail the efforts of all presidents succeeding him, especially our current President.
By getalife
June 22, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
I wonder if wingnut Westmoreland learned the 10 commandments yet after being embarrassed on the Colbert Report.
What a loser.
By Charles
June 22, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
Thinking Right’s Friday free-for-all. Pick a topic:
• Grab the children, school them at home. When zero tolerance is interpreted so that children are forced to cut the guns off toy plastic soldiers, as was done in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., it’s time to take the children and run — either to form private schools or to school them at home, said Jim Wooten.
Jim, my first experience with zero tolerance occurred with the advent of mandatory integration, 1970. At our independent, so-called segregated schools, the offender who caused a fight, argument, problem, etc was punished and the victim received encouragement, sympathy. I’m sure that was the practice at all of our schools; the result of people discerning right and wrong; good and evil.
Integration introduced a new phenomenon called zero tolerance. Fights, arguments, name calling, and other person to person problems in high school needed no discerner. Both the offender and the victim were equally disciplined. Primarily because white parents did not approve of a victimized Negro child being encouraged while remaining in school, and an offending white child receiving discipline; and suspended from school. Furthermore, there was the lying. The offender with all sincerity would claim victim status. Therefore in our South Georgia high schools, zero tolerance was introduced along with the presence of an entity that had no genuine concerned with the education of white and black students.
Zero tolerance during the late 20th - early 21st century has transitioned from the sublime to the ridiculous. Children being forced to cut the guns off toy plastic soldiers in Rancho Palos Verdes, California are a result of, in the words of Jerry Lee Lewis, adults failing to take the bull by the horn. Adults have refused to make the correct difficult choices in the interest of public education. Consequently, there is a whole lot of shaking going on.
Having considered all things, I agree with you Jim. It’s time to take our children and run-either to form private schools or to school them at home.
By Southern Democrat
June 22, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
Jackie,
I acknowledge your concerns regarding the human rights of innocent Palestinians. The global community, however, will not advocate for them until they cease using terrorism as a means of negotiation.
The IRA is an interesting example. Once the IRA acknowledged that Britain wasn’t leaving Northern Ireland (after how many years?) and that violence only made them more resolute, they then moved to have shared power.
The Palestinians need to forget 1945, ‘47, ‘67, etc., govern themselves civilly and peacefully, recognize Israel as a state, and request shared power.
By Luke Sky-Lurker
June 22, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
melo
Now, someone didn’t get that raise from the Man…
jbmlaw
Let’s not forget our English friend, tftt. “Pound-for-pound” (like that one do we guv’nor?) the best in general entertainment value - also insightful into black hypocracy.
By Van
June 22, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
Jackie,
Since the Palestinians elected one terrorist organization over another and rejected a chance to live in peace, - To hell with them.
My earlier posts quoted the Fatah Constitution expressing the need to destroy Israel. Hamas is worse.
I have two questions for you, what would happen if the palestinians laid down their arms and agreed to live in peace with Israel?
What would happen if Israel laid down their arms and stated they want to live in peace with the muslims?
Stop drinking the kool-aide and try to answer honestly.
By the fixx
June 22, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
By Rone June 22, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this Hey 54car54,
I believe Tionne was saying that we take water for granted here.Well duh, that’s like saying Atlantans take traffic jams for granted because they have the highest traffic commute time in the nation, yet high gas prices haven’t stopped them from driving. What’s the point in pointing out the obvious? What’s next? Taking southern fried steak and biscuits for granted? Vidalia onions? Peanuts? Good grief.
By RCH
June 22, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
Van Fatah and Hamas are like Jesse and Al. If there is peace they will be out of a job. Do you really think they want that?
By Van
June 22, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
RCH,
And now you know why I have no respect for either.
By jm
June 22, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Van, I will go you one better. what happens if the palestinians lay down their arms, give up demanding their own state and request israeli citizenship?
When Israel decided to keep the land they took in 1967 (after Jordan and Egypt dropped any claims on it), they also became responsible for the citizens there. Not the arab world, not the UN but Israel. Unfortnately, for israel this time the palestinians refused to leave (unlike 1948). Israel did not want them (nor did anyone else) but they wanted the land.
It is true that many palestinians refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist but many israelis also refuse to recognize the palestinian’s right to exist. I am not sure when it changed but I know that during the 70’s, the official position of the Israel was that there was no such thing as a palestinian.
By Dusty
June 22, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,1:17,
I can only assume that you know Southern Democrat personally. I, on the other hand, only know what he/she posts here. Your reasonable Democrat comes across as a brainwashed liberal schoolteacher trying to be “nice” while doing the usual Bush bashing and anti-conservative fabrications.
Example: he connects moral malfeasance only with Republican politicians. The world wide reputation of Clinton’s almost laughable lack of morals seems to be missing from that Democratic mind.
If that is reasonable, then reasonable means a closed mind. It is prejudice of the political genre. Of course, it is the typical mindset of liberal Democrats as displayed here by others with the same “affliction”. I just wonder why you always encourage this particular one but not others just like him. Does Jimmy Carter blog?
By Van
June 22, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
jm,
There was an informal poll in the last year or two and the Palestinian man in the street said that life was better when Israel ran Gaza.
Israel has offered citizenship to the folks that we inside the new state of Israel, those that took it up have full rights in Israel, the even elect their own members to the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.
One of the great lies is that the Israelis forced the Palestinians off their land, actually, history shows it was the Arab League that urged the locals to leave.. While that was going on, Jews were forcablily expelled from the arab nations they had lived in peacefully. Some say the number expelled is between 400 and 800 thousand. The have no right to return to their former homes.
Earlier, one of the posters accused me of not reading UN resolution 242. I pointed out to her that the arab world has yet to live up to its responsibilities spelled out in that resolution.
When the West Bank and Gaza was administered by Israel, there was peace and relative prosperity.
What I do not understand, is before 1967, there was no such thing as a palestinian. That Egyptian Arafat started a movement to destroy Israel and it still is there, called the Palestian Authority.
By jbmlaw
June 22, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
Dear Luke @ 2:23, I agree that TFTT is a sharp and often funny writer, but the inquiry @ 12:45 questioned the existence of intelligent leftists. That is surely one appellation never applied to our friend TFTT.
Dear Dusty @ 3:00, actually my only contact with Southern Democrat is on this blog. I have noted that you and he have exchanged ideas in pointed language in the past, and of course I feel toward those conflicts the same feelings one holds anytime friends have a dispute. Please do not judge him harshly merely because he advocates for his side; he does acknowledge flaws in the Democrats’ corporate being, just as you and I know our side has an occasional Jerry Lewis. Realistically, I would not require him to spit at Bill Clinton – we conservatives do an adequate job. I do see a difference between Southern and 95% of the leftists on this blog, primarily the absence of ad hominem (other than an occasional good natured joke aimed at me.) Southern attacks my ideas, not me; that is an attitude I appreciate.
By jm
June 22, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
van - the one right that palestinians do not have as israeli citizens is the right to serve in the military (to my knowledge, the beduoins are the only arabs in the israeli army). One reason Israel will never offer full citizenship to all the palestinians living inside the territories is that jews would soon become a minority, defeating the purpose for their existence.
The Palestinian Authority has a vested interest in keeping the struggle alive. It allows their leaders to play on the world’s collective guilt, skim off the profits and live like kings (which is a big reason why Hamas won the elections).
Probably the best chance for peace between Israel and the palestinian’s ended when an israeli murdered Yitzhak Rabin. It also probably kept Arafat in power, since he no longer had to make any “hard choices” (Shamir did not have Rabin’s clout and Netanyahu had no interest in making Oslo work).
Too many people, both inside and out have to big a vested interest in this struggle for it to be settled any time soon.
By kwc
June 22, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
It never ceases to amaze me how much hatred people have for Israel. I believe that this sympathy for the poor, downtrodden Palestinians is nothing more than a weak attempt to hide anti-semitism. These closeted anti-semites are just so afraid of Jews with any kind of power (read: their own homeland) that they’ve resorted to defending blowing up civilians, kidnapping soldiers, random rocket attacks and the like.
Israel has made attempt after attempt to relieve the horrible situation, yet they have been stymied every time. I’m sorry, but I cannot work up sympathy for a people who have been offered countless incentives to lay down their arms but choose instead to attack Israel rather than improve their own lives.
I will never understand how anyone could possibly blame Israel for the Palestinians’ situation when it is of their own making, not to mention how many times they have had the opportunity to leave that very situation behind.
By getalife
June 22, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
Democracy in Palestine led to fair elections of Hamas.
So we funded and armed Fatah.
Democracy in Iraq led to fair elections of Shiites allied with Iran.
So we and the Saudis funded and armed the Sunnis.
See a trend here?
We support democracy if the election turns out the way we want, if not we arm and fund the other side.
By getalife
June 22, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
Democracy in Palestine led to fair elections of Hamas.
So we and Israel funded and armed Fatah.
Democracy in Iraq led to fair elections of Shiites allied with Iran.
So we and the Saudis funded and armed the Sunnis.
See a trend here?
We support democracy if the election turns out the way we want, if not we arm and fund the other side.
There will not be peace in the ME until we elect a Dem President. w does not want peace. Too much money for his friends.
By Ted
June 22, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Time For the Truth, do you really hate black people that much? What has one black individual ever done to you personally? When did blacks, as a group, affect public policy that rendered you a second class citizen? When did blacks affect public policy that forced you to the back of the bus or up into the balcony of a movie theatre? When did blacks affect public policy that forced you to attend graduate school up north and cut a deal with the state whose grad school you attended to pay that state for your education because your native state did not provide that for you because of your race? When did blacks affect public policy that said that you are good enough to fight with French but not good enough to fight with other Americans because of your race? When did blacks get dressed up in their Sunday best replete with picnic baskets to attend a lynching? When did blacks treat white entertainers so badly that they had to move to a foreign country, like France(Josephine Baker)to be treated with digny. When, sir when?
By Ted
June 22, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
Time For the Truth, do you really hate black people that much? What has one black individual ever done to you personally? When did blacks, as a group, affect public policy that rendered you a second class citizen? When did blacks affect public policy that forced you to the back of the bus or up into the balcony of a movie theatre? When did blacks affect public policy that forced you to attend graduate school up north and cut a deal with the state whose grad school you attended to pay that state for your education because your native state did not provide that for you because of your race? When did blacks affect public policy that said that you are good enough to fight with French but not good enough to fight with other Americans because of your race? When did blacks get dressed up in their Sunday best replete with picnic baskets to attend a lynching? When did blacks treat white entertainers so badly that they had to move to a foreign country, like France(Josephine Baker)to be treated with digny. When, sir, when?
By Anonymous
June 22, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Getalife: It’s only a contradiction if you assume that we’re really trying to support and spread democracy. We’re not, and most people around the world have realized that.
Fortunately, we here at home have Faux “News” to keep us safely insulated from the truth.
By Southern Democrat
June 22, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw,
Thank you for your kind words and noble defense of my (remaining) honor. Sparring with you has been one of the most entertaining, educating, and rewarding things to come out of my foray into this medium.
I actually regret that we have not met in person, but perhaps that day shall come.
Dusty,
Your latest missive reveals to me the attitude that prevents us from having productive debates. If you were to go back and look, I have continually and repeatedly condemned Presidents Clinton & Carter for a variety of reasons, including, but not limited to, Clinton’s extramarital affairs and perjury, Carter’s foreign policy gaffes, and Clinton’s failures regarding al Qaeda. They may not be as prevalent as usually the discussions on here relate to present day topics.
The irony here, is that I have never, ever, ever heard you criticize the Bush Administration. You are what my Mama used to call a “yellow dog Republican, and as dangerous as a rabid one.” She applied this description to singularly-focused voters on both sides of the aisle.
As I’ve also stated, I voted for John McCain in the 2000 Republican presidential primary, Ronald Reagan in the ‘84 general election, and Bush I in ‘88 (Dukakis scared me), just to name a few of the more prominent GOPers I’ve deemed worthy of my vote.
By Charles
June 22, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
It’s time that the truth is told. What a joy to have one who can discern right and wrong; good and evil. The devil has the power to make right appear wrong and wrong appear right.
A person can speak in the interest of black people and the masses will likely think they are being spoken evil of. Only special people can discern the difference.
No one has to do anything to black people because the so-called elitist black people have the masses of black people, in the words of Elvis Presley, all shook up.
The white masses are experiencing similar problems.
www.radioliberty.com www.iotconline.com www.thepatriots.us www.chuckcoppes.com www.freedomadvocates.org www.infowars.com www.deliberatedumbingdown.com www.americandeception.comwww.worldaffairsbrief.comwww.gregpalast.com www.ccir.net www.williamhkennedy.com www.patholiday.com
By Charles
June 22, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
These websites will help with the confusion.
www.radioliberty.com www.iotconline.com www.thepatriots.us www.chuckcoppes.com www.freedomadvocates.org www.infowars.com www.deliberatedumbingdown.com www.americandeception.comwww.worldaffairsbrief.comwww.gregpalast.com www.ccir.net www.williamhkennedy.com www.patholiday.com
By Charles
June 22, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
Greg Palast,
Your journalism must be of the highest quality. I really had trouble getting your website on my sacred list.
Another soldier delivering the truth to Americans.
www.gregpalast.com
By Charles
June 22, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
Greg Palast,
Your journalism must be of the highest quality. I really had trouble getting your website on my sacred list.
Another soldier delivering the truth to Americans.
www.gregpalast.com
By R. Wright
June 22, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
What ever happened to former New York Times reporter and alleged neocon sympathizer Judith Miller? She recently performed research on suicide bombings, as laid out in an interview she just did for a video web site, Bloggingheads.tv. Her findings are strikingly consistent with political scientist Robert Pape’s argument that suicide bombing is typically a response to foreign military occupation—and that, when the occupation ends, the suicide bombing ends.
Miller spent time in an Israeli jail with two would-be female Palestinian suicide bombers and wrote up her results for Policy Review. That’s a conservative journal, but her essay isn’t a right-wing screed. And the details of Miller’s story, as elicited by interviewer Jackie Shire, tend to support Pape’s theory — more than Miller realizes, I think.
Pape rejects the conventional view that suicide bombing is fundamentally an expression of Islamic fundamentalism. And indeed, neither would-be bomber interviewed by Miller is a religious extremist. One is enraged by the Israeli occupation, which has brought the death of two cousins and the jailing of a brother. The other is less politically engaged but has personal reasons for suicidal despair. As Pape stresses, suicide bombers have a variety of motives.
But, he adds, however varied the individuals, the groups that recruit and deploy them have clear and consistent goals. And it’s the group’s motives that matter most, because without the group the aspiring suicide bombers would be powerless. This dependence of the bombers on an elaborate infrastructure comes through clearly in Miller’s account. As she puts it: “It takes a village” to create a single suicide bomber.
So what does the “village” want? Almost always — whether the group is Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, the Tamil Tigers, al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, whatever — the goal is withdrawal of foreign troops, says Pape. When Israeli troops vacated Lebanon, he notes, Hezbollah suicide bombers didn’t follow Israeli soldiers back to Tel Aviv. By the same token, he says, the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq would greatly reduce Iraqi suicide bombing — and not bring it back to America.
By R. Wright
June 22, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
Following up on my previous post, none of this is to deny that terrorism is an evil tactic. But that’s different from the right wing claim that the very source of terrorism is evil — some sort of unfathomable black hole of badness that renders analysis futile. The source of terrorism is people with goals, and grasping that fact is the first step toward stopping it.
By Charles
June 22, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Well, the weekend is upon us again. I really have enjoyed conversing with everybody on different topics during the week.
My work day is done and I headed home. I’ll talk to you all Monday; God willing.
www.gregpalast.com
By Rieckhoff
June 22, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
Yesterday, a U.S. military vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb in Baghdad. Another was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. We hear reports like these coming out of Iraq almost every day. But what happens to the soldiers who survive these attacks? Are those who suffer the psychological wounds of war getting all the care they need?
Not according to the Department of Defense. Not even close. Although we’re spending more than $2 billion a week in Iraq, we don’t have enough accessible mental health professionals in the military, according to the military’s disturbing new report. And the troops who most need counseling are the ones least likely to ask for help because of the stigma of mental health care. No wonder we’re seeing spikes in divorce, unemployment, homelessness, and suicide among Iraq vets.
Learn more the serious mental health issues facing the troops. Check out “Without a Scratch” — a powerful two-part series published in the Washington Post this week, authored by the same reporters who wrote the watershed articles on Walter Reed. The series gives detailed and deeply personal accounts of soldiers trying to seek out mental health care, and shows how the DoD and VA failed to account for this long-term cost of the war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/walter-reed/index.html
Paul Rieckhoff IAVA (Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America)
By Rone
June 22, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this
Easy Fixx. Down boy. 54car54 was calling out Tionne for no reason. That is why I felt it was necessary to re-state the obvious. 54car54 shouldn’t tell other people to “try reading” if he/she can’t do it himself.
By USMC1
June 22, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
That is the mission in Iraq.
Semper Fi
By Jack
June 22, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
USMC1,
You’re also an American citizen with the obligation to stay informed, the freedom to express your opinion, and the right to vote for those who support policies you believe to be in our best interest.
That is the mission at home.
Thank you for your service, and best wishes.
By NYT
June 22, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
President Bush is notorious for issuing statements taking exception to hundreds of bills as he signs them. This week, we learned that in a shocking number of cases, the Bush administration has refused to enact those laws. Congress should use its powers to insist that its laws are obeyed.
The Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan arm of Congress, investigated 19 provisions to which Mr. Bush objected. It found that six of them, or nearly a third, have not been implemented as the law requires. The G.A.O. did not investigate some of the most infamous signing statements, like the challenge to a ban on torture. But the ones it looked into are disturbing enough.
In one case, Congress directed the Pentagon in its 2007 budget request to account separately for the cost of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was a perfectly appropriate request, but Mr. Bush issued a signing statement critical of the rule, and the Pentagon withheld the information. In two other cases, federal agencies ignored laws requiring them to get permission from Congressional committees before taking particular actions.
The Bush administration’s disregard for these laws is part of its extraordinary theory of the “unitary executive”. The administration asserts that the president has the sole authority to supervise and direct executive officers, and that Congress and the courts cannot interfere. This theory, which has no support in American history or the Constitution, is a formula for autocracy.
Other presidents have issued signing statements, but none has issued as many, or done so with the same contemptuous attitude toward the co-equal branches of government. The G.A.O. report makes clear that Mr. Bush’s signing statements were virtually written instructions to executive agencies to flout acts of Congress. Senator Robert Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, has said that the report shows that Mr. Bush “is constantly grabbing for more power” and trying to push Congress “to the sidelines.”
Members of Congress have a variety of methods available to make the administration obey the law. They should call the agency heads up to Capitol Hill to explain their intransigence. And they should use the power of the purse, the authority the founders wisely vested in the people’s branch, as a check on a runaway executive branch.
When the Bush presidency ends, there will be a great deal of damage to repair, much of it to the Constitutional system. These guys make Chavez look like a choir boy.
By Redneck Convert
June 23, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
I really hate it they are cutting guns off of the hands of action figures in school. There should be a gun class in every grade. That way, a good redneck kid could just blast away when he sees somebody he don’t like or somebody diffrent. Like us adults do. It would teach them Personal Responsibility. No getting hurt with fists and stuff like that. My grandson Sonny Zell George already has a six-shooter and will use it just as soon as he can walk.
By GodHatesTrash
June 23, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this
The typical voter in Westmoreland’s district is a racist superstitious alcoholic high school dropout that enjoys having sex with his/her children and pets. Westmoreland has a lot in common with them. What a filthy stupid pigman.
“Rural voter” scans better, and decent intelligent people know what it means.
Although “trash” scans even better.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
Looks like Cheney eschews the Executive Branch, and certainly doesn’t crave the oval office, it’s just that there’s certain things he wants to do that only a traitor can do…….
Dr. Kervorkian is attending dental school classes specializing in toothpaste……..
Death Row inmates can now be legally executed by Lethal Flossing…..
Props to Carlos Campos of the AJC for having TWO WHOLE ARTICLES on the Front Page today about prison: Chinese-made toothpaste and the mentally ill. (You’ll wonder where the mellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent)
Now, Carlos Campos, why did you neglect the “DO NOT SWALLOW” warning on all American-made toothpastes? What poisons are present?
By Markus
June 23, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
Oh look everyone, our wonderful representative Liberal Democrat, God’s Liberal Trash, is here to share with us his love for beastiality and “racists.” Why the F else would you think that diseased liberal cage monkey would excrete the same sick liberal sh!t, day in, day out. ‘Sumatta you pathetic diseased sewer RAT, got your pencil neck stoned @ss out of bed early just to see that WD didn’t post at 8:05am this Saturday morning? Stupid worthless existence of carbon. Anyway, moving forward…
One would think extreme zero tolerance would be a part of extreme conservatism in our public schools. How ironic that it’s actually the idiocy of liberals. Really what our gubment institutions are doing is brainwashing the masses so they can be molded to fit in with the perfect mindbots of the Utopian socialist left who want to control everything in our lives from birth to death.
The REAL Great Society: no one with more wealth than someone else, no one more successful than someone else (unless you are a liberal demoncat actor or politician), and no one smarter or more educated than someone else. We’d all be just a bunch of mindless bots roaming around waiting for the gubment to tell us what to do, where to go, and how to live. God forbid we step outside of the box and diss our gubment “minders.” It would be like dealing with the first few chapters of Half Life 2. No thanks, RATs.
It is no secret why the far left in this nation is against the choice of people home schooling and sending them to private schools. Don’t let them fool you that their reason is simply that it’s an unfair advantage, exclusive of course that the latest spelling bee whiz was homeschooled. Well actually it is an unfair advantage in their minds – it’s unfair that someone should actually be educated without personal biases and beliefs getting in the way and learning to think individually instead of as a collectivist sheep for the masses. We all know how the sick left treats Black folks if they stray from the liberal demoncat slave plantation and become Conservatives.
I agree about those car washing outfits operating in a drought. Those Midtowners are cool with getting their cute little Rufus R. Toyota hybrids washed and nobody says anything. Yet the hypocrites in Midtown get all uppity and raise hell when developers from east Cobb, Forsyth, and west Gwinnett have new landscaping to tend to (that’s their way of earning a living too, just like being a car washer) and they can’t. Yes. Something is definitely WRONG with that picture.
I still do not understand why liberals believe that rail and bus transit will solve our traffic woes, specifically OUTSIDE of the perimeter. As I’ve stated countless times to countless ignoring by liberals, take a look at MARTA bus routes in north Fulton at any given time and look in them. See how many people you see (those buses without those window painted full ads anyway. Hey, how come MARTA can’t make money when it’s subsidized AND takes in advertiser revenue? What idiots!).
Only 20% of metro ATL’s jobs are ITP. Just how in the hell are we going to supply public transportation to people who live in Canton and work in Alpharetta? Or people who live in Monroe and work in Duluth? Or people who live in Stone Mountain and work in Marietta? To think the whiners who hate cars and capitalism and success think rails and buses would solve those transportation issues? Stupid liberals.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this
Listen to all the candy@ssed limpdiked liberals whining about Cheney’s comments that he’s technically really not officially a part of the Executive branch like the president. Waaah! Waaah! Waaah! The Constitution in some ways is like the Bible: everyone has their opinion on what it says. The Constitution actually says the the Veep is the “president of the Senate.” (That’s that senate tie breaker vote thingie the Veep can do for you nipple pierced liberal freaks in Little Five Points).
“The vice president is saying he doesn’t have to follow the orders of the president,” said Garrett Epps, a law professor at the University of Oregon. “That’s a very interesting proposition.” Epps said the lines have not been drawn that clearly: “The vice president spans, in some ways, all the branches of government.”
Susan Low Bloch, a constitutional professor at Georgetown University Law Center, called Cheney’s position a “novel claim.” Although most people think of vice presidents as executive officials, she added that it’s really “a bit of a hybrid” role.
Several framers ultimately refused to sign the Constitution, in part because they viewed the vice president’s legislative role as a violation of the separation of powers doctrine. Elbridge Gerry, who would later serve as vice president, declared that the framers “might as well put the President himself as head of the legislature.”
By GodHatesTrash
June 23, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this
Did someone s-hit in here? Oh, hello Markanus. Good morning you filthy greasemonkey homicidal moronic POS trash.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
Anybody know where I can raise hell with metro ATL’s PBS channel PBA? I can’t STAND it when they take my Motorweek away and real food TV shows away for some woman’s power and money crap, and then yapping all day about menopause. Damned liberals.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
Rudi Guiliani was on Leno last night talking ‘bout his ‘08 campaign. He said he doesn’t really crave the white house, it’s just that there’s certain things he wants to do that only a First Lady can do……
By Dusty
June 23, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Well,
reading over yesterday’s comments I find that Southern Democrat@4:04 just cannot debate with me because….!!! I have never criticized the Bush administration.
Surprise, Southern Democrat…I have never heard you say a GOOD word about the Bush administration.
Then he surmises that I am a “yellow dog and rabid” because his mother told him all about that.
OK, I’ll be a “yellow dog” which is far better than a cut’n’runner. His mother would be terribly disappointed in Democrats now. There was a time when Democrats would fight for their country in wartime, not fight the President of the USA.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
Rudi Guilliani was debating one on one with John Edwards about the ‘08 campaign. Both agreed they didn’t crave the white house, it’s just that there’s certain things they BOTH want to do that only First Ladies can do……
Mitt Romney does not want his 6 wives to be considered part of the Executive Branch and thus immune from the matrimonial laws forbidding polygamy…..
By High Times
June 23, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
EDINBURG, Texas (AP) —Firefighters who spent half an hour fighting a blaze in which 2,000 pounds of marijuana went up in smoke breathed so much of it that they would have failed a drug test, Fire Chief Shawn Snider said.
And in a related incident, there was near pandemonium as countless heretofore unknown volunteer firefighters tried to rush the scene of the warehouse fire and “offer assistance”.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
Dick Cheney certainly eschews the Executive Branch, and does not crave the white house, however there are certain things he wants to do that only a traitor can do…….
Rudi Guillian says he doesn’t crave the white house, but there are certain things he wants to do that only a First Lady can do…….
By Markus
June 23, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
Oh look! It appears that AM talk radio isn’t quite so dominated by Conservatives as the moonbats would lead you to believe. Whoodathunkit with all the pantywetting from Boxerwad and Shrillary and Lott?
Sunday AM tv’s public airwaves are hosted by and dominated by RATs. Most of America’s major newspaper editorial boards who’s headline pages are displayed in public are dominated by RATs. PBS and NPR on public airwaves are dominated by RATs.
Then there’s this jewel showing that a whopping 13% of news reporters nationwide actually donated to Republicans (that means that 87% of reporters donated to the RATs for you blue haired liberal freaks in Virginia Highlands). I suppose owning the media outlets and major newspapers is not enough for the diseases on the left. Nazis.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
Last weekend our resident blog deranged idiot said we abandoned Afghanistan and cut & ran. Well, I’m sure our troops would just love hearing sick talk like that. Yeah, here is what the diseases on the left think is giving up and abandonment in Afghanistan.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Vatican Lube
Driving to Starbucks, my engine light came on. Do I need a mechanic or a priest?
“Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. My last oil change was 3000 miles ago.”
Okay, open mikers: Try these jokes out. Remember not to mug. Just talk to the audience. Be yourself. DOnt touch the mike, simply leave it in the stand and talk into it. Look at the audience when you talk. You’ll kill.
Hint: B4 you go up, practice adjusting the mike to your mouth level. There is certain to be a pygmy on right before you, and you will need to smoothly adjust the mike to your level. Do it at least five times. Know it. The main reason most comics fail is because they cant adjust the mike smoothly. I once was at the Twisted Taco and I had some trouble with the mike, and it was over before I started, I just couldn’t get past the embarrassment of screwing with the mike a little too long and showing my frustration. It happened two years ago and I’m still PO’d about it. The clown before me had tightened the damn thing too hard and I just couldn’t get it loosened. Practice the mike-adjust. Every mike is different, every mike-stand is disfunctional. Learn the nuances well, my fine friends, and you’ll kill.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
There was a time when Democrats would fight for their country in wartime, not fight the President of the USA.
Like these?
Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) — rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts.
Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA - extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier’s Medal.
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Former Senator Bob Kerrey… Democrat… Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Former Representative “Pete” Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Representative Tim Walz, D-MN - Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.
Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA - 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.
Representative Chris Carney, D-PA - Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.
Representative Phil Hare, D-IL - Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71.
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72
Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-‘47; Medal of Honor, World War Two
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat “V.”
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.
By Dusty
June 23, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
Political Foreskin loves the stage and craves applause, but he does what sorry comedians do; they tell bad jokes on blogs so they won’t hear the “boos”.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Open Mike Material
I dont want to say my wife is a bad cook, but her Carbon Footprint is a piece of burned toast. Look, a carbon footprint is one thing, but her cooking is more like Stomp the Yard.
Okay, open mikers, your hands are important. Dont hold the mike. you need to gesture with your hands. Try to live and believe and sell the joke and your hands will know what to do. Even putting your hands in your pocket is better than using distracting hand gestures. Less is more.
Let the pros like Chris Rock or Seinfeld hold the mike. Do not attempt their style on stage, you will get hurt, and there’ll be no one 2 save U.
Remember this: EVERYONE can say, “What is the deal?” with the Seinfeld shrug.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
A realist gives his review of Sicko. Moore can take his wishes for the destruction of private health insurance to be replaced with a massive gubment run hellhole and run it run up his fat@ss. Communist pig.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Or these?
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat’l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he’s “been to war.”
VP Cheney - several deferments, in his own words, “had other priorities than military service”
Former Att’y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve; received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too busy being a Republican.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. “So many minority youths had volunteered … that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself.”
Former President Ronald Reagan - served by making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
“B-1” Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes. Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four student deferments
By Markus
June 23, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
“There was a time when Democrats would fight for their country in wartime, not fight the President of the USA.”
Personally, I feel what someone did prior to their serving in Congress is not important at this time in our uncharted course of history. What is important is what is done NOW. Like FIGHTING the president when he’s trying to FIGHT wars on many fronts. Al Sore and sKerry: one fought with a typewriter and another fought with himself and filmed it.
By Claire
June 23, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
I have a couple of questions related to some articles in the Saturday AJC, I thought things like this would be obvious but apparently your reporters feel differently-
Ever since I moved to Atlanta, almost twenty years ago, I-75 north has been a parking lot during rush hour, especially on Friday evening. What could the Vice President’s visit have done to have caused one yesterday?
Cheney’s visit —- to attend a reunion of descendants of the 21st Ohio Volunteer Infantry at Kennesaw Mountain National Battleground Park —- lasted about two hours and snarled traffic on I-75 during rush hour.- By Bill Hendrick, Jeffry Scott The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Are we to believe that somehow yesterday’s traffic would have been clear sailing if Dick Cheney hadn’t come to town?
Is this the most respect that you people at the AJC can show for your reader’s intellect?
Or are you trying to stoke the illogical hatred that your liberal readership has for the political party in opposition to the AJC’s ideology?
It just seems that you could report the news without interjecting your obvious biases into it and allow your readers to decide on their own, like most grown ups would do.
On a side note, why would it take two reporters to write one hit piece on the Vice President?
My other questions comes from my teenage son after having seen other news sources reporting on the American and Iraqi joint operation against Al Qaida in the town of Baqouba, Iraq, with most news reporting the capture of several high ranking members of Al Qaida and the killing of many more, why does the AJC only focus on bad news that might happen?
Until the supply line and trust between residents and the Shiite-dominated government are mended, U.S. military commanders say, any success they have in this offensive could be lost on an area unable or unwilling to reconcile sectarian differences. By Lauren Frayer Associated Press
This seems like it was written to intentionally give hope to not only Al Qaida but to their supporters here in the United States.
Again I have to ask, why not just write the article reporting the news and leave your biased speculations out of it?
How can this possibly help our soldiers, declaring their mission to be hopeless based on what hasn’t even happened?
Maybe you have a good reason for the way you presented these two stories but I doubt it.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
Here are a few more.
Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
Howell Heflin… Democrat… Silver Star
George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & Distinguished Flying Cross, dozens of missions during WWII.
Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the US Navy. “Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter.”
Former Presidential Nominee Mike Dukakis - United States Army, 1955-‘57
Former Senator/Vice Presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen - B-24 pilot in WWII 1942-‘45, Squadron Commander; earned Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters.
Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953
Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
EXCELLENT post Claire. To answer your many valid questions, YES to all. Our beloved Al Jazeera Urinal is a second rate rag at best, although I’d consider it third tier. Sans Wooten, they just can’t help themselves and let their Conservative hate ooze out. They aren’t even aplogetic about it anymore. That’s why their subscribership and readership ratings keep going down. They don’t care.
Welcome to the blog!
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Oh, I hear the boos every week on stage, Dusty. The boos haunt me. There was this one time, at the Punchline in Atlanta, and I was only supposed to do six minutes. At the five minute mark, the stage manager is supposed to flash a warning light at you to let you know that you better close fast and get off the damn stage you laugh-stealing, spotlight-craving clown.
Well, I didn’t see the light for some reason which hasn’t been fully explained to myself, (LADY!).
Anyway, I went 14 minutes and they had to turn the mike OFF on me. (which should have alerted me that I needed to get off NOW!)
But no, not me. No! You see, The guy that went on before me had trouble with the mike. It kept going in and out with a bad connection that he fixed in the middle of his act by fooling with the wire connect (he pounded on it with his open palms, kind of slapping at the mike, really, and I saw him do it)
So, naturally, I thought the mike had gone out because of the same wire problem and there I was, alone, slapping a mike into my palms, like a adolescent slapping the monkey in his grandma’s basement, in front of hundreds of people who were all as quiet as a one-eyed mouse…….
then I went into a realm of comedy-hell that few have entered my friends….
I gave up on fixing the mike, still not aware that they had actually turned the mike off. I put the mike in the stand, and addressed the audience with just my unamplified voice. I shouted, “Can you guys hear me back there?”
The audience answered with a desultory, “….yEaH…”
Then, I did something that I’ll never get over. I wake up at night in a sweat sometimes reliving this thing in nightmares….stay tuned, I’ll tell you all what happened right after this!
AW!
By time for the truth
June 23, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
@ TedTurd
Cheers for the sadly repeated doltish racebaiting. It was freaking hilarious to NOTE, as expected, that you completely IGNORED my factual, substantive points about feral mob black crime and hippety hop/thuggish yoof kulture. The incessant, frequently vicious effects of which are incesantly puked up on WSB TV with no comment whatever, unless some white person has been accused of racebaiting or racism!!!
Your Jim Crow bollocks is happily NO longer the case and hasn’t been for decades now. Yet endemic, never ending black yoof thuggishness/crime has regrettably replaced Jim Crow era oppression. Kind of like Sud AfriKa today and for a decade or so now after apartheid, albeit here its on a slightly less murderous scale, but with the same nauseating indifference to black crime by the black racial spoils crowd and black politicians who care only about elections, lining their pockets and racebaiting. Leaving countless decent law abiding blacks counting the cost of unremitting black (on black) crime.
I do NOT hate blacks at all - your despicable dishonesty is very typical of human scum like yourself though that always slither away from addressing awkward points raised.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
More Republicans/Conservatives
Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve
Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve
Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve.
Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve.
Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve, yet somehow had the “courage” to attack Max Cleland’s patriotism
Rep. Randy Kuhl, R-NY - Did not serve.
Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve
Jack Kemp, did not serve, was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued on as a National Football League quarterback for another eight yearsFormer Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW)
Eliot Abrams, did not serve (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America)Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve
Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve
Richard Perle, did not serve
Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve.
Michael Bloomberg, did not serve
George Pataki, did not serve
Spencer Abraham, did not serve
John Engler, did not serve
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a “Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran.” A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service.
Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve
Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve
Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competitionSenator Joe Lieberman - did not serve.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
Yet more Conservative Punditocracy and Preacher-types
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a ‘pilonidal cyst’ [see “The Rush Limbaugh Story” by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin’s Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.])
Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji
Bill O’Reilly, did not serve.
Bill Kristol, did not serve
Sean Hannity, did not serve.
Ralph Reed, did not serve
Pat Buchanan, did not serve.
Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a “combat veteran.” In reality, was a “Liquor Officer.”
Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder).
Paul Gigot, did not serve.
Bill Bennett, Did not serve
John Wayne, did not serve
George Will, did not serve
Chris Matthews, did not serve.
Michael Medved, did not serve
Charlie Daniels, did not serve
Ted Nugent, did not serve
Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve.
Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve.
Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served.
By time for the truth
June 23, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
would aborted foreskin please commit IMMEDIATE cyber suicide and desist from puking up its narcissistic self absorbed witless moronic bollocks about its frequent abject failures at comedy workshops for the criminally doltish!!!
YOU ARE ONE very SAD K UNT!!!
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Commercial Break.
Do you feel hopeless, like a Shia Mosque rebuilding contractor in a Sunni Insurgent Stronghold?
Do you feel like those ants that immediately start rebuilding after you kick their mound to smithereens, only to have you kick it to pieces again after it’s all fixed?
Then you need Crazy Glue! Yes, Crazy Glue will withstand suicide bombers, RPG’s, Carbombs, and massed insurgency assaults. You can rebuild a Mosque in one afternoon! SO what if they blow it up again, you’ve got Crazy Glue!
Crazy Glue is available in the Green Zone, certain unaffected markets in baghdad, falusia, and sadr city.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Senate Republicans are looking to tell The Nanny to park her fat@ss in nations that do not sponsor terrorism. THAT is leadership, DAMMIT. Shoulda put the choke chain on that wretched woman back in January.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
Here’s a funny one-liner:
Congressional RAT job approval ratings are in the sewer in national polls. No, this is not Al Sore’s global walarmism BS hockey stick.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
ANother Commercial Break!
Do you feel alone? Like someone who STILL wont recognize that Iraq is a Civil War with wide ranging Sectarian and Ethnic complications.
Or maybe you’re alone because you think the US can win in Iraq by chasing certain peripheral combatants from one area to another.
You must feel as alone and vulnerable as Cheney’s paper-shredder who shredded all that evidence against cheney which is why He wont comply with executive orders demanding he turn over evidence of his treason.
The evidence shredder could go to jail, unless he/she rats cheney out, like Libby is sure to do if he actually gets prison time….unless W pardons him…..or pardons Cheney…maybe THAT’S why Cheney wont run for Prez and why he eschews the Executive Branch!
“I beg your pardon, I never promised you The Rose Garden……”(camera to W singing to Cheney?)
By time for the truth
June 23, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
The most pathetic cretinous inadequate woman in GA … after crackpipe debbie turd of course … was spotted yesterday afternoon by yours truly on I-75 driving a Clayton County registered car with FREE PARIS written in huge letters on the rear window.
Clearly one naturally assumes a badly bewildered yankkkee ‘implant’. It also had a kerry edwards bumper sticker - not a joke!!!
By time for the truth
June 23, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
aborted foreskin must have eaten ALL the afterbirth this morning!!!
chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
Well, folks, I hope these lists have been illustrative and interesting.
Of course, I could not possibly disagree more with the sentiment that not serving in the military, especially combat, is no big thing. It absolutely is one of THE major tests of courage and leadership! And it, as much or more than anything else I can think of, separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
And to say that military service is not important at this time in our nation’s history just flies in the face of logic. Since the hawks are so pro-war, you’d think they have some, ANY relevant combat experience. But alas, that would require significant sacrifice, honor, valor, putting others before yourself and a deep, deep sense of duty to America.
But given the incredibly disparity between Democrats and Republicans that have served in the past fifty years, if I was die-hard GOP conservative who had never raised his right hand and sworn to to protect and defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, I’d probably want to try and convince people of that too.
So the sentiment “There was a time when Democrats would fight for their country…” would seemingly be much better replaced with the question “Will there ever again be a time when Republicans will?”
By Markus
June 23, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Question: since when in the hell did it become important to serve in the military to our diseased liberal garbage on the left? It sure wasn’t important during the election of 1992.
How many diseased liberals in congress have actually volunteered to sweat and build a home for the “poor” that they care about (and I’m not talking about one hammer stroke for a photo op, Shrillary) so much? Yep, they fight their war on poverty from the chambers of Washington while ordering we grunts to do their dirty work via @ssraping taxes.
Heard the latest RAT proposal to raise the capital gains tax to 35%? Oh that’s a HILARIOUS joke!
Zombies.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
Cheney sings! “I beg your pardon. I’m not part of the Rose Garden..”
Cheney as Civil War Buff!!!
“I’m General Grant, and I approve this message. You know, civil war buffs mostly have no idea about what a damn near thing the civil war was. hell, if Lee had any talent at all, he would have clobbered me at the wilderness. But he just stood there. Anyway, Cheney reminds me of McClellen who was a real blowhard, who couldn’t assess a battlefield situation correctly if he had the enemy’s battle plan in his hands….D’OH! Tell Cheney to stay out of civil war historical analysis and to worry about the iraq civil war he uncorked so carelessly.”
By Dusty
June 23, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Claire @10:13
Very observant post. You have quite accurately described the “slant” put on almost every report and editorial in the AJC. AJC is owned by Democrats (Cox). Their editorial opinion pages are ruled by two extreme liberals and one conservative, Jim Wooten. Their “editorial” cartoonist is a blatant far left liberal who pictures the president in comic poses and sometimes the troops as torturers. AJC circulation is dropping and they keep “restructuring”aka cutting staff.
AmVet,
We know that some Republicans have served in the military and some haven’t. The same goes for Democrats.
If you are truly an “amvet”, I thank you. But if you think that only veterans should have a voice in government and military affairs, where’s your respect for the Commander In Chief who has served in the military in previous times?? You seem to pick your worthy veterans by political party only.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
“Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin would have signed Kyoto.”
Noooooo. Tell me something I DON’T know.
The disease of liberalism is the dragging anchor below the freedom and prosperity ship of America.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
This blog needs a Polly spam filter.
By jm
June 23, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
amvet - you did forget Senator John McCain, Senator John Warner and Senator Chuck Hagel and their service (lest some think that no republicans have served).
By Markus
June 23, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
jm, don’t pay attention to our resident diseased liberal ID poofer who’s biggest accomplishments in life are on this blog and to cut & spam from wingnut websites:
http://www.libertynewstv.com/HTML%20FILES/Chickenhawks.htm
By Bosch
June 23, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Good morning all!
Dusty, How’s your birthday cakes? I don’t know if you saw my post last night, but of course you are welcome to my Cabinet. All you have to do is be one of the first 15 to endorse me, and you’re in! :-)
Good Morning AmVet! Nice list. Didn’t you just love all the BS during Chambliss/Cleland’s campaign about how Cleland wasn’t patriotic. I mean how sad and stupid, but, it worked. I guess that isn’t saying too much for some Georgia voters. Sad and pathetic.
By jbmlaw
June 23, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
Dear AmVet @ various times, great lists. Why is it, in your estimation, that all active service members vote Republican? (I know it is not 100%, but it is close; you would surely concede there was an intelligent reason Al Gore went to such lengths to exclude the Florida military ballots in 2000.) Just curious as to the left’s perception of why it is so despised by the active service members.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Another commercial break!
Cheney as Civil War Buff? “I’m Lincoln and I approve this message….”
“the vast majority of The official records of the civil war read like this: “We broke camp at 4:30 am on wednesday, and marched till noon, where we broke ranks for coffee and waited till 4pm, when we were ordered into battle formation, regimental fronts, and marched forward with the 14th on the right, the 2nd on the left and us in the middle. We topped a rise and started taking fire, we halted, fired, and retreated. We took two casualties. We bivouacked on the battlefield…..
…..and that was Picket’s Charge at Gettysburg. Civil War battles were very boring for the soldiers. Mostly. Its just advancing, standing around waiting or retreating. Once in a while you actually get to shoot, but very rarely.
In the civil war, position is everything. It’s where your troops are deployed when a battle is occuring. The disposition of troops implies certain things to the enemy and nearly always causes him to adjust to the intel of where you just moved your troops. That adjustment is nearly always to pull back.
I mean, if you can believe the official records. I guess Cheney is too busy to bother, or he would have known that Kennessaw was not the key battle he seems to think it was. The key battle in Georgia wasn’t a battle at all. It was a movement of troops toward Atlanta around the dug-in positions of the Rebels, time after time, forcing the Rebels to retreat back toward atlanta. Then it was a siege. zzzzz
But Cheney is correct in one thing: The civil war was one traffic jam after another. The roads were narrow and they weren’t built for armies in motion.
Position is everything.
BTW: Cheney needs to accept that he’s part of the Executive Branch, and needs to comply with Executive Orders.
I’m Lincoln, the best prez the US ever had and a star of the sleeping pill commercials. My estate made 23 million dollars last year, but my ghost wife spent it all on gloves and flub dubs….which I need like a hole in the head……D’OH!!!
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
Question: since when in the hell did it become important to serve in the military to our diseased liberal garbage on the left?
I’m sure I have never met any “diseased garbage” and can’t speak for them, but apparently to the three dozen men I just listed, it was. And to the 50 or so other neo-cons, not so much, huh?
Many elected Democratic leaders have served with distinction and valor. Republicans have a ridiculously low percentage. In fact, an almost non-existent record of doing so.
Spin it as you will to believe what you must, but the facts are irrefutable.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
Protesting military recruitment on schools. Don’t let the sick left sucker you into thinking they give a pig’s @ss about the military.
Lee Harvey Oswald served as a Marine. So what?
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
We need to look at Cheney’s military record, and W’s military record…oh yeah, they dont let gauche in the military…
Forget it, neo-blogs, you cant win this argument, in fact, it exposes your intelligence to have brought up the dem’s military records.
You must all be younger siblings….bwa
I LOVE IT! Let’s bring up military records in a political debate!!
There really is nothing of the Right left. They’ve all deserted to the Liberal Agenda 4 votes, and I dont blame them.
Bush bashing is non partisan!
dont forget to say the magic word, AMNESTY! (then the iraq war disappears).
By getalife
June 23, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
Now we have two of the worst Americans claiming they are above the law and oversight:
“Bush claims oversight exemption too:
The White House says the president’s own order on classified data does not apply to his office or the vice president’s. By Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writer June 23, 2007
WASHINGTON — The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, President Bush’s office is not allowing an independent federal watchdog to oversee its handling of classified national security information.
An executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 — amending an existing order — requires all government agencies that are part of the executive branch to submit to oversight. Although it doesn’t specifically say so, Bush’s order was not meant to apply to the vice president’s office or the president’s office, a White House spokesman said.”
Only idiots like macaca and crusty still support these criminals trying to cover up their crimes.
They will spend millions of your money avoiding prosecution and accountablity.
These cowards are the worst in history not man enough to take their punishment for their crimes.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
“I’m sure I have never met any “diseased garbage” and can’t speak for them, but apparently to the three dozen men I just listed, it was. And to the 50 or so other neo-cons, not so much, huh?”
I’m referring to you hypocritical liberal demoncats that said “military service wasn’t important” to being president of the United States when Bill Clinton ran against a WWII hero.
So again, I ask, since when did it become important to you liberal demoncats that serving in the military was suddenly important? Or is that only a part-time concern, depending on who’s being referenced? Hillary and Pelosi and Reid never served either. What’s the big deal?
This whole thing started with a comment that the current RATs are more interested in fighting the president than our enemies. THAT is as true a statement as can be said. Whether said RATs served in the past or not is IRRELEVANT. What’s relevant is THE HERE AND THE NOW and what they do and how they act. THOSE facts are irrefutable.
By GodHatesTrash
June 23, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
jbm asks - ‘why do so many active duty servicemen vote GOP?’
Because you’d have to be a moron to volunteer to serve under the Chickenhawk-in-Chief, and morons vote GOP.
Trash.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
UN: less than 40% of members have filed required reports on their nation’s compliance to Iran sanctions. Isn’t that special. This worthless, toothless, waste of US taxpayer institution that the sicko left loves so much sits on it’s @ss and can’t even REPORT on how it’s complying with sanctions. Now THAT is pathetic. I’m sure somehow, some way, that’s Bush’s fault.
By getalife
June 23, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
The big deal is that those Dems are trying to stop the occupation and hold them accountable while the chicken hawk cowards that never served cheer on the occupation and criminals.
THOSE facts are irrefutable.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
“The Gore campaign’s concerted effort to disqualify overseas military ballots on technical grounds was very successful: some Florida counties rejected as many as 75% of such ballots. According to Colonel David Hackworth, among the disqualified ballots was that of Ronald Scott Owens, of Vero Beach, Florida, who was killed along with 16 others when the USS Cole was bombed. As many as 700 Florida military voters may have been disqualified by Gore’s lawyers, who were dispatched to every county election board with a five-page memo outlining various strategies for disenfranchising the votes of American soldiers stationed overseas. The backlash was not long in coming, and it was so severe that the Democrats had to backtrack a bit, with Joe Lieberman denying everything – but still, the Democrats did not drop their opposition on the local level, and the GOP is now in court fighting for the voting rights of overseas military personnel. The rank hypocrisy of raising the battle-cry “let every vote count!” while authoring and financing this vote-suppression campaign has enraged many in the military: a number have called in anonymously to talk radio, and communicated their anger via email and on military posting boards, so much so that the Pentagon has had to take steps to quell the rising tide of discontent.” -December 1, 2000
Like I said, don’t pay attention to what the diseased left thinks about the military. Useless. Pointless. Meaningless. Dead air.
Zombietime.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
If you are truly an “amvet”, I thank you. But if you think that only veterans should have a voice in government and military affairs, where’s your respect for the Commander In Chief who has served in the military in previous times??
And if you are truly thankful, then thank you!
I enlisted in 1972 when I was 17 years old. And I have never considered myself some sort of hero for doing so, I was just trying to do my part.
You either misread or misconstrue my posting a list of names if you conclude “that I you think that only veterans should have a voice in government and military affairs”?
I simply think that combat veterans are generally more tested, more trustworthy and vastly more competent in matters of war than draft dodgers and service avoiders.
Obviously I don’t see believe that being a vet is a requirement for office, it just helps a lot IMHO. And again it is very illustrative that an exceedingly vast percentage of any political philosophy have avoided military service to the nation.
amvet - you did forget Senator John McCain, Senator John Warner and Senator Chuck Hagel and their service (lest some think that no republicans have served).
All three are heroes in my book. Hagel like Kerry hails from my home state of Nebraska so I am very proud of both of those men.
And McCain’s valor and sacrifice can never be questioned. His being a Republican can though!
Yes, Bosch it still torques me a great deal that a never-served Saxby Chambless can say that filthiness he spouted about Clelandand then get elected! Sadly IMHO It says volumes about many Georgia voters.
jm
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
You cheer the enemy, craponlife. You said last week we abandoned Afghanistan (see my 9:54am). Ask me if I give a F what your pathetic self thinks, and those like you.
My newest bested favorite Youtube video is the Sorebot on Iraq and insinuating HW Bush ‘didn’t finishing the job’ in Iraq uring Election campaign 1992. Priceless.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Look at what is left of the Neo-blogs of the Right: Unpantsed Foamed Rants
I cant help but feel responsible for the death of the Republican Party. I mean, it was I who informed everyone about what would happen in Iraq and as I was scorned and hated less with each fulfilled prediction, the Right came tumbling down.
I was the one who got national attention by saying it this way: “There are 10 thousand year old outhouses in Iraq. Do we really think we’ll be able to figure out all the ancient tribal/sectarian liasons, rivalries and alliances? We’ll have to slaughter those people as they skirmish amoungst themselves, and who knows what the tribal magnet will bring in from neighboring countries. You see, Iraq is a cartographer’s twitch. Tribes were split incidentally. When they have a reunion it will be a defacto invasion of one country into another, simply because the map says so, not because there’s some sort of evil dictator with attack orders. We are creating this hopeless scenario of endless war simply by observing it or willing it, and calling it national security. Therefore, We can invent endless new offensive campaigns with cute names and plenty of top spin and buy the time necessary to create a 2nd Hundred Years War.”
That was written in 2003, as the Mission Accomplish speech resonated in cyberspace.
I also must apologize for not publishing my deduced solution to Iraq End Game. You see, I play war games all day long everyday. I play, “What if….What would it take….how many men….” And in doing so, I stumbled across a sure way to “win” in Iraq. I did alert Cheney but he dont read emails, he shreds them.
My Solution to the Iraq War:
It…..Could…..WORK!!!!
stay tuned. but first…….
AW!
By getalife
June 23, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
macaca,
Like real Americans care what a chicken hawk, criminal enabler, coward like you thinks.
You are irrelevent, marginalized and a failed American.
By Dusty
June 23, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Yes Bosch,
The birthday bash is going full speed. This one is a casual fix-your- own hamburger thing with sticky fingers and spilled ketchup. Then come the beautiful cakes whose glory I cannot claim. We STILL sing happy birthday while the honored ones cringe. I now run crazily around the house stirring the dust to new places. But by dusk, all will be well (I hope!)
I sadly remove myself from the ranks of candidates in the New Switzerland Nirvana. I had considered Sec. of State but realized that I would be removed from the first meeting for making cat calls. Such is life.
But good luck, oh mighty presidente. May your tenure be long, your stein stay filled and your bankroll be increased with blessings. Viva la nouveau suisse or something….
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Why is the diseased left so riled up ONLY at Bush for the amnesty bill? Do not the RATs share a lot of the blame here too? Who primarily WROTE the damn bill? Why that would be Ted “drunk Olds U-boat commander wannabe/young intern slaughterer” Kennedy, and thanks for asking. Not one PEEP from the resident RATs on this blog about that.
Congressional approval at 14%; just ahead of pond scum. 3% approve of the amnesty bill? Doesn’t that mean the approval is so low it doesn’t even meet the margin of error? LMAO.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
“You are irrelevent, marginalized and a failed American.”
Yet craponlife you and your sick ilk stew like hell over what I post. Bite me. You love our enemies. That’s all I need to know about you, sicko.
Zombie.
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
Don’t let the sick left sucker you into thinking they give a pig’s @ss about the military.
This should be obvious, but I am not a they. There is only one of me and I have only one opinion. I’ll leave the trying to speak for others up to you. You seem excedingly accomplished at it.
On to more rational questions.
jbmlaw, your question is a good one and one I have considered for a long time. I agree, based on my experience wearing a uniform and from most of what I have read, that most active military members vote GOP.
I don’t know the exact percentages of course, but it may not be as all inclusive as you think though. Especially now.
Regardless, I have several thoughts on the matter. First, the military is clearly a very conservative organization. Questioning authority is basically prohibited. For obvious reasons.
And I can’t know but I wonder how the percentages break down by rank.
Maybe it’s just because they get a lot of press, but anyone watching over the past few years must have noted the very large number of very high ranking retired military officers from all branches that are not pro-Bush and not supportive of the Iraqi occupation. Perhaps the almost complete mismanagement of it has something to do with that as well.
And the other question - what happens to all of those conservative vets? Do none of them, but a minuscule percentage, run for office? And is it possible that essentially only Democratic veterans run, especially if they are, as you assert, outnumbered by nearly nine to one?
But this just doesn’t seem to add up, so I’m not sure what the reasons are.
By CG
June 23, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
To TW the president only makes $200K per year you idiot. So your iq is lower than you can blow on a breathalyzer.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
Finally, we can all come to an agreement regarding global warming trends: it’s because pirates have died off.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
While While recent polls show that roughly one-third of the public considers itself Republican, 57 percent of the active-duty military identified themselves with that party – with two-thirds of officers, compared to 49 percent of enlisted personnel, checking the Republican box. Compared to 32 percent of the civilian public who described themselves as Democrats, only 9 percent of military officers and 16 percent of enlisted personnel did so. On other factors, the survey found that 53 percent of active-duty personnel described themselves as either “very conservative” or “conservative,” compared to 40 percent of the general population. By contrast, seven percent said they were “liberal or very liberal,” compared to 20 percent of the general population.
You’re welcome.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
By CG
June 23, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this To TW the president only makes $200K per year you idiot. So your iq is lower than you can blow on a breathalyzer.
And the dumb@ss blog comment of the week goes to…. CG. Has to be a liberal.
Effective January 1, 2001, the annual salary of the president of the United States was increased to $400,000 per year, including a $50,000 expense allowance.
By getalife
June 23, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
macaca is dead wrong again.
The most ignorant comment is this:
You love our enemies. That’s all I need to know about you, sicko.
You have no argument. Pathetic and dead wrong as usual.
You got nothing.
Loser.
By Scholar
June 23, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
I am Markus hear me bore.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Craponlife regarding our enemy:
Why be scared of terrorists?
No, I’m Right. Like always. I can’t help what you feel craponlife. Like Rosie O’Pig, that’s your problem, not mine.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Cheney eschews the the executive branch and obviously does not crave the white house. It’s just that there’s these certain things that he wants to do that only a traitor would do……..
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Why is it, in your estimation, that all active service members vote Republican?
So as I suspected that statement is not very accurate.
It is actually 57% with less than half of all enlisted personnel calling themselves Republicans. And fully 40% don’t consider themselves liberal OR conservative.
In addition, the survey, which was based on 933 written responses to a survey sent to 2,500 enlisted personnel and officers, found that 90% of those queried believe that US forces are being stretched too thin by Bush’s “war on terrorism” and that only 56 percent believed the president was handling the Iraq war well.
So barely half of all of the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in today’s US Armed Forces think the president isn’t mismanaging the occupation. But is it to the point that most of neo-cons in the GOP may soon be out of a job?
And those numbers are from three years ago. One could presume that like the overall US civilian population, the percentage now voting Republican has further decreased.
Regardless, you guys in uniform rock!
By Markus
June 23, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
By Scholar
June 23, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this I am Markus hear me bore.
Awwwweee. Do I hurt the wittle wiberal’s feewings? Is anyone chaining you down to read this blog, JACKAL?
You know you sickos on the loon liberal left want to control blogs next.
By getalife
June 23, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Lets take a break from the “bore” to check out Saturday toons
By Markus
June 23, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Let’s review those mil numbers again on political ideology breakdown:
38% of officers say they are rep 9% of officers say they are dem
That’s a 4:1 ratio.
53% of everyone say they are con 7% of everyone say lib
That’s a 7.5:1 ratio for everyone in the military who says they are Conservative. So, I don’t think jbm’s numbers were off the mark by that much in reality. We all know there are far more Conservatives who are Republicans than libs.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
By Political Foreskin June 23, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Are we stuck on stupid today, Polly? Polly need a birdcage AJC change?
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Unpantsed Foaming Rants. I like that.
Okay, I dont want to say that my wife is a bad cook, but her carbon footprint is a piece of burned toast. Look, a carbon footprint is one thing, but her cooking is more like Stomp the Yard….
Okay, open mikers, listen up. There is a tendency to step on your own laughs, (that means diminish them or stop them full in their tracks).
How? Stay tuned. But first I’ll finish that story about what done happened to me on the stage at he Punchline not so long ago…..
So there I was, sans microphone, speaking in my unamplified voice, and I kept going. I did an aside which the comics in the back told me they couldn’t hear, (thank god), but to make a long story short, there I was, talking inaudibly to the audience who were squirming as one, and I just kept going and going until mercifully the manager got on the house mike in the upstairs office and announced for the MC to reappear on stage, and THAT’S WHEN I REALIZED WHAT I HAD DONE!!!!
I just turned and walked off, the MC gave me a look I’ll never forget, in fact, for months after that the city of Atlanta gave me a look I’ll never forget.
Well, I drifted for a few weeks trying this stage and that, not really able to rally and certainly I couldn’t get booked anywhere, I think they have a video of my fall, I kept writing, though, and it wasn’t too long before I had a killer set which I tried out at the Comedy Corner, an all black comedy club which I think is now closed, but then it was happenin’!! I performed with Ludacris B4 he made it. Earthquake too, before he made it. And somebody called Nard, who is so close to making it now, that I even heard his name on comedy central last year.
Anyway, I killed at the Comedy Corner. Killed! And I was back. I went back to the Punchline and cleaned up. I did so well that the hacks stole much of my act and sold it to Robin Williams, who did a couple of my lines on his 2002 HBO special. True.
So, the moral of the story is, it dont matter if you’re funny, hacks will steal your act and do it first and then people will think that you stole from them, so why bother…..
By Dusty
June 23, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
AmVet,
You are making a big deal about Cleland. Do you even live in Georgia? Cleland is a Democrat who became very unpopular with the public. Few Democrats are popular in Georgia because they take “stands” that are not well liked, such as anti-war sentiments while our troops are fighting for us.
That is what happened. Voters did not think Democrat Cleland was the man for the job. Are you going to tell Georgia voters how to vote??
If you think there was dirty politics involved, there probably was. It seems the way that politics go these days. Democrats are the leading offenders and have been since George Bush was first elected.
Democrats are still angry. Just like you, posting all the names of Republican politicians who were not in the military, then proclaiming it doesn’t matter. Why then did you post that list ?
By Typical Neo-kkkon
June 23, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
I’m sure I speak for Markus and the other neo-kkkon losers on this site when I say not only am I scared that the same terrorists that flew a plane into skyscrapers on 9/11 are gonna target my trailer park next, I’m scared of damn near everything.
My butt-rapin’ drunken Pappy not only put the fear of the Lord into me, I’m scared s-hitless about everything else too.
My daddy called me a scared little b-itch growing up, and now I are one…
By AmVet
June 23, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
One last thing before I go about the appalling lack of military, especially combat, experience by neo-con leaders and pundits.
jbmlaw, the opening statement of yours, about all military members voting Republican has been thoroughly disproved, yes?
And this strange statement from that same post is very hard to understand but I’ll try to make it easier.
Just curious as to the left’s perception of why it is so despised by the active service members.
I think a far more accurate choice of words is “Just curious as to the right’s perception that the left is so despised by the military.”
OK, off to the batting cages. Mickey Mantle has no fears of this switch hitter challenging his records!
But wait!! There’s a long drive!! It could be!! It’s going!! Going!! GONE!!!
And the crowd goes crazy!
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
Notice how whenever someone asks about W’s national guard record, the answer is worded, “George Bush did his duty and served honorably.” Period. No follow up.
During the 2004 campaign this was enough to stop the democrats during debates, the media from pursuing it, and the justice department from prosecuting him. I mean, I was screaming, “Prove it! Where was Bush during the Kent State Massacre?”
He was there shooting students, and we all know it. It’s a fact!!
W was AWOL during a time of WAR!!! That’s treason, and it’s punishable by firing squad, which i highly recommend. Hell, I’ll bet cheney would shoot the SOB, he’s good at that, shooting people, you know. Cheney’s a really good shot!!
Go cheney, you shoot straight, uh huh~! Go Cheney you shoot good, uh huh!!
AMNESTY FOR CHENEY!! Cheney doesn’t crave the white house, it’s just that there’s these people he wants to shoot that only a president can shoot.
No wonder W wants amnesty. AMNESTY FOR AWOL NATIONAL GUARD AIRMEN!!!
AMNESTY FOR THE KENT STATE MURDERERS!!!
AMNESTY!! AMNESTY!!!
AMNESTY!!!!
Poof! THe Iraq War just disappeared.
By jbmlaw
June 23, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Dear AmVet @ various times, in my earlier post I neglected to express my appreciation for your service. Please forgive that oversight.
Actually I read the numbers much as my friend Markus, and I see an organization fundamentally hostile to leftism. I think God Hates Trash, in his drive by post @ 12:12 probably stated the normal leftist perception of our servicemen, and in such an atmosphere surely a reciprocating view from our noble men in uniform would be anticipated. I think it is nothing more complex than that - because the socialists loathe the military, our servicemen vote anti-socialist.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Has any liberal RAT here mentioned the amnesty bill and what RATs are doing about it and only b!tchin’ about Bush? What? No?
Selective outrage, as usual. From ziplock cash freezerburn to shady land deals in Sin City to incompetent and corrupt state and local leadership in Lowsiana.
Suckers.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
Vice President Dick Cheney visited a civil war site yesterday and was brandishing a vintage musket when three southern reenacters surrendered!!
“Dont shoot, we surrendered 142 years ago, sir!”
“Huh? I was just getting a feel of the old muskets, that’s all, hell I wasn’t gonna shoot anyone.” BOOM!!
Now that’s a shame. Somebody get Dick out. Stop the traffic on I75!
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
Yeah, sKerry was such a “war hero” that he came back and protested the war when his fellow Navy comrades like McCain were visiting the Hanoi Hilton, and the NVA was eating every bit of that sick liberal hippy bullsheet up.
Al Sore and sKerry: one fought with a typewriter and another fought with himself and filmed it.
By jbmlaw
June 23, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Dear Markus @ 1:03, thanks, great research, approximately what I would have expected to see.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
Okay, open mikers, how are you stepping on your own laughs?
Lets say you tell this joke: “My wifes cooking is so bad it leaves a carbon footprint! Did I say “Footprint”? It’s more like “STOMP THE YARD”!!!
Okay, now you are standing there and the audience is laughing bigtime. Dont move. FREEZE! Dont mug. Dont nod your head in the old, “believe it” way, dont move. Every twitch even just an eye blink will diminish geometrically your well deserved laughs. Freeze, my friend.
Also, resist the temptation to start another joke. Dont. Just stand there, motionless. Dont be afraid that your timing will get thrown off. Your timing doesn’t matter. It’s the audience’s timing that you cant control. Let them laugh, laughter has it’s own timing. Dont step on your own laughs.
When you sense that they are laughed out, and ONLY then, you can continue with your act.
How else do comics step on their own laughs? A myriad of ways my friends, and I’ll get into them….after this!
AW!!
By getalife
June 23, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Was Cleland right?
Does he still fight for the vets?
What has Saxby done except lock march step with a coward, criminal who thinks him and cheney are above the law?
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
jbm, I grew up in military environments and have lived all over the place, so what you said I already knew just based on past personal experience. Even though the link is a few years old, the point is dead on: WAY more Righties are in the military than leftists. Period end of story.
By For the Record ...
June 23, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw:
As a “Liberarian” are you concerned about the Bush/Cheney secret attenuation of civil liberties in this country?
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
If Obama Hussein had flown into Dobbins and caused a traffic snafu larger than the normal CF around there, the Urinal would have been having uncontrollable orgasms and said how the traffic stopped in awe and people were climbing out of their cars to catch a glimpse of The Man.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
“The Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) endorsed George W. Bush for president on Sept. 8, 2000 after having endorsed Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996. The change of heart, according FOP national president Gilbert G. Gallegos, was because of federal harassment and Justice Department lawsuits against police departments and the Clinton pardoning of FALN terrorists. That pardoning of 16 unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorists was clearly calculated to bring Hispanic votes to Hillary’s run for the senate.”
Hillarious!
By getalife
June 23, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
Obama took the lead on government reform to limit legal bribery lobbyists.
This will limit his donations from the unAmerican sell out corps. but I like he took a stand.
You will never see a corp. wh-ore gop take this position.
Never.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Another Hillarious episode!
“On Sept. 14, 2001, Hillary Clinton, New York’s junior senator, visited Ground Zero. You might not have read it in the New York Times, but many of New York’s finest, the police officers and firemen, refused to shake her hand. These heroes see things much more clearly than the average America who still does not know the real Hillary.”
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
Not a whole lot of media coverage over Jimmy “Mr. 444 days” Carter’s comment that the US, Israel, and the EU are all wrong for favoring Fatah over the blatantly violent Hamas. Sure, Hamas was elected democratically. Well, so was the Nazi party. Liberalism is a disease that slowly erodes the mind.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
Wooten’s Friday Blog, “From Sprawl, to Israel, to Rented Rims”, was a cornucopia of material. Few of the bloggers took advantage. I mean, what is Wooten here for, except to suggest topical trends for the blog. Look, you can post anything you like, but at least give Wooten a nod. Did you enjoy his article? Did you laugh? Let the man know. He works hard, he’s a southern gentlemen, true, but he’s also human and loves the occasional feedback that isn’t a liberal livery of livid liverwurst (aimed at his liver).
I think that the handful of neoblogs who infect this blog 24/7 365 and who post 90 percent of the comments, (to themselves, which is sad).
Is there anyone reading these neobloggers? I’m asking and I’d like the audience to respond if there IS an audience: Do you read the Neo-blogs of the Unpantsed Foaming Rants?
By Markus
June 23, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
“People spend so much time talking about tax rates, but the real scam is on defining income. Someone needs to come out with a simple tax plan: all income is the same.”
That^^ is from a whineyassed socialist liberal on a RAT blog out there where the thread is about raising the capital gains tax rate.
Check out my 9am post this morning:
The REAL Great Society: no one with more wealth than someone else, no one more successful than someone else (unless you are a liberal demoncat actor or politician).
Toldya so. I’m Right. As always.
What tools.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
“Is there anyone reading these neobloggers?”
That depends, Pollypeck. It depends on what time of the month it is for you candyasses on the left. Some days this blog is useless and nobody reads it (usually when you sickos on the left are getting the beatdown) and other days it’s all the rage for the world to see of stupidity (usually when a Conservative mispells a word or makes a mistake). It depends, like what you are probably wearing.
By Markus
June 23, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
“Wooten’s Friday Blog, “From Sprawl, to Israel, to Rented Rims”, was a cornucopia of material. Few of the bloggers took advantage. I mean, what is Wooten here for, except to suggest topical trends for the blog. Look, you can post anything you like, but at least give Wooten a nod. Did you enjoy his article? Did you laugh?”
WTF was that liberal psychobabble rant all about? That^^ is why the disease of liberalism is so sad to the human mind. That post was by someone who spams the hell out of this blog 7x10 thinking he’s auditioning for Comedy Central.
Sicko.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
Open mike material.
Dick Cheney eschews the executive branch and doesn’t crave the oval office. It’s just that there’s certain people he wants to shoot that only a president can shoot…….
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
Wooten’s Friday Free for All asked unspecified smart guys and career second guessers on Iraq about Israel and the Hamas.
Nobody, but nobody saw what a Rorschach test for geo-political acumen Wooten put out there. But Wooten was very successful in exposing the ignorance of the Neo-penpals, (the pitiful remnants of the right).
Not one of you geniuses knew that Israels undefined stategic mission of the Six Day War in 1967 is identical to the undefined strategic mission of the Iraq War.
What is the Mission of US troops in Iraq? Anybody?
I cant wait to read your opinions. Really, I promise not to make fun of you.
Honest, you can trust me.
By Political Foreskin
June 23, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
I knew there was no audience. I knew it.
You neo-penpals who post to yourselves all day every day chased the readership of this blog, which was once considerable, away.
you post to yourselves for yourselves by yourselves, just like I picked.
Wooten, you’re at fault because you let these pinheads ruin your own blog. You should have banned the handful of mutants right off the bat, and you’d have a thriving blog. Nobody wants to read hate speak. nobody.
Seems a shame.
By Mused
June 23, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Political Foreskin - perhaps it didn’t occur to you that nobody really cares what your opinion is on issues? Not that you’ve actually given anyone a reason to take you seriously or anything.
By Bewildered
June 23, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
By USMC1
June 22, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
* “It is God’s job to judge the terrorists. It is the mission of the Marines to arrange the meeting.” -That is the mission in Iraq.
Semper Fi
By Claire
June 24, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Good morning to all, it’s another day and I have another round of questions for those that publish the AJC.
I suppose it is too much to ask that you could be pro American but do you really have to be pro terrorist?
U.S. forces acting on tips from Iraqi informants raided a safe house in Sadr City, Baghdad’s main Shiite enclave, before dawn Saturday and detained three militants suspected of ties to Iran, the military said. In the deadliest attack Saturday, four U.S. soldiers were killed and an Iraqi interpreter was wounded when a bomb blew up their vehicle during combat operations northwest of Baghdad.
Read that article published in today’s AJC and tell me, once again, which very important story is missing. What I posted up there is the closest this supposed newspaper gets to acknowledging the successful Iraqi American joint operation Arrowhead Ripper.
Like some small child, the AJC still refuses to share good news about our brave soldiers:
What needs to be said is this is one of the war’s largest operations to date, and perhaps the most significant. If successful, it could push al-Qaida out of Iraq. It also might lay the groundwork for an eventual war-ending peace. Using unusually blunt language, Army Brig. Gen. Mick Bednarek told American Forces Press Service, “The end state is to destroy the al-Qaida influences in this province and eliminate the threat against the people. That is the No. 1, bottom-line, up-front, in-your-face task and purpose.”
Are you worried about demoralizing Al Qaeda?
Not hardly:
Afghan leader criticizes U.S., NATO troops Afghan President Hamid Karzai chastised U.S. and NATO-led troops Saturday for their “careless operations” and accused them of killing more than 90 civilians in the past 10 days, as fresh reports emerged of more noncombatant deaths. By Griff Witte Associated Press- AJC
I wonder if we will ever see an article criticizing the Taliban or Al Qaeda who have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents?
I had to keep checking the front page this morning to see if I had gotten some Syrian newspaper by accident.
In a funnier note, I liked the column in the @Issue section that accuses Republicans of being mind control brainwashers:
This is such a typical example because it wasn’t a fair fight. Every Democrat who gets on the air is making things up as he or she goes along. Democrats have no shared language, they have nothing like talking points. They don’t have the kind of messaging machine that Republicans have. There’s nothing like that on the left.-AJC
Can you believe they said that? How ridiculous.
I honestly don’t think Hillary Clinton has ever had an original thought and who can forget when John Kerry got called in the 2004 election run up saying that he didn’t mean to bring up outsourcing, after his wife’s company was outed for doing it, instead he blamed it on his speech writer.
The AJC is a wholly incorporated subsidiary of the Democrat party, all of this nonsense of them saying they aren’t is either a lie or their ignorance.
By River Rat
June 24, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
AmVet, Whatever the substance is that you’re smoking, you need to stop. You have lost touch with reality and are becoming a major BS distributer, I couldn’t help but notice that you failed to mention Slick Willy Klinton and Swift Boat Kerry the Band Aid king. Just another Moonbat with a selective memory.