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Voter ID; stem cell bill; and MARTA

Thinking Right’s Friday free-for-all. Pick a topic:

• Stop the presses! A severe traffic bottleneck in metro Atlanta is getting fixed. Not with “alternatives” such as bike trails or buses. Fixed. After more than a decade of talk, Gwinnett County, the Evermore Community Improvement District, and the state and the feds are spending the money to add a sixth lane and to make other improvements along traffic-snarled U.S. 78 . Either add capacity or stop the kind of development that makes traffic worse.

• And more! Cobb is adding turn lanes to the second-most dangerous intersection in the region, Barrett Parkway and Cobb Place Boulevard. High density makes widening cost prohibitive.

• HOPE stipends have cut merit scholarships out of much of their market. Those who object to higher college tuition for illegals should encourage foundations and private-sector givers to direct a few scholarships to brainy illegals. Government doesn’t always have to be the solution.

• The packed-stage presidential candidate debates featuring more bodies than can be squeezed into a prom-night limo is the best side-by-side public face of the two parties that I’ve seen anywhere. My guess is they’re represented on stage — the fringes, too — in about the same number they exist in party ranks.

• President Bush and U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson each pulled 65 percent of the vote in Georgia’s 10th Congressional District in 2004. Gov. Sonny Perdue got 64 percent last fall. So does a Republican, probably state Sen. Jim Whitehead of Evans, win the special election Tuesday — or in a July 17 runoff? Next Tuesday’s my bet.

• Congress is a political playpen. Passing an embryonic stem cell bill the president has already vetoed, and promises he will again, is an example. So, too, was Iraqi troop funding with a surrender deadline.

• Less than a month after vetoing $142 million in tax cuts because of fears that revenues would be less than projected, May revenue numbers are in. Collections were up 28 percent in May over last year, aided by a 45.4 percent increase in income tax collections. Subprime and payday lenders get accused of gouging with lower rates of return. April income tax collections were down 24 percent, but suspicious House members said it was because the revenuers weren’t cashing checks to paint a picture of gloom. The cynics.

• Voter ID was unanimously upheld by the Georgia Supreme Court. Opposition to voter ID has never been anything more than a partisan attempt to frighten the Democratic base to the polls. One plaintiff dropped out after getting a state-issued photo ID. Another produced a MARTA card issued under the Americans With Disabilities Act, which is a qualifying photo ID.

• At a cost to taxpayers of $32 per ride — or $1,600 for the 50-trip limit MARTA proposed for the disabled — the paratransit shuttle service bleeds red ink. Users pay $105 per month for curb-to-curb service. Only about 22 of the 3,400 disabled riders take more than 50 trips per month. And even with that few affected, MARTA can’t make a modest budget-cutting decision stick. It backed off.

• Disputes about whether something is “safe” — the highways, the skies, food, the air — crop into the news almost always in three contexts: labor troubles, a desire for more taxpayer money spent according to somebody’s agenda, or an effort to force an interest group’s preferred regulatory change. Federal Aviation Administration Chief Marion C. Blakey insists skies are “absolutely safe” despite staffing questions being raised by its union.

• Every farm group in the United States loves free trade — so long as it doesn’t threaten their subsidies. Brazil and India want subsidies cut, insisting U.S. taxpayers unfairly depress international prices, making it hard for other nations to compete. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) should hold their breath until the policy is changed. That’s just my recommendation.

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By Rod

June 15, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Congress is a political playpen. Passing an embryonic stem cell bill the president has already vetoed, and promises he will again, is an example. So, too, was Iraqi troop funding with a surrender deadline.

So, according to Jim (also the name of a TV series about a bumblehead), if Congress thinks the President doesn’t like an idea - they shouldn’t even consider it. Their only job is to kiss the President’s butt. Yeah, right. Democracy in action.

By DT

June 15, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim,

Nice Cherry Pick on your comment about Sonny’s veto and the revenue projections.

Unfortunately, you forgot to mention that there’s not a Democrat in sight.

You want to blame someone, but who?

By SharonH

June 15, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

Jim, I’m stunned. I was expecting you to take Kathy Cox to task for the abysmal graduation rates in Georgia. After all, just last week you gave her a pat on the back for the CRCT scores. Why not hold her accountable for her failures? What was it you said “When competent leaders are on the right course, my advice is to leave them be.” What is your advice for grossly incompetent leaders?

By jbmlaw

June 15, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. My only comment is on the final item. Cuba would sell us sugar at the world market price, approximately half the US farm price. It would greatly improve the lives of their citizens, although Louisiana agri-business would take a hit. The protectionists always defeat us free-traders, because we do not contribute to political campaigns.

By spaceman109

June 15, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

jim’s comment on u.s. 78: either add capacity or stop the development which makes things worse. wow! jim actually comes up with a situation which prompts him to not worship development! stop the presses since this is a historic occasion!!

as for the packed-stage presidential debates…one notes that as a general rule, the heavy hitters in the republican party are much more unhappy with their choices; the democrats are happy with their choices. which leads to an obvious question: if it is hillary against guiliani for the white house next year, how many bible-thumping conservatves will put aside their negativity about guiliani and vote for him strictly to keep hillary out of the white house?

i am generally in favor of the voter id law. one irony here though; those who were so desperate to get this law passed are actually trusting gommint to keep accurate voting records. aren’t these the same people who stridently insist that gommint cannot do anything right? and since when does anyone check to see whether those who request an absentee ballot are actually legitimate voters?

tis true that marta is bleeding money on providing rides for the disabled….but the gommint outlay would be much larger if these people lost their jobs owing to being unable to get to work and had to go on welfare. so far i have seen no mention of how they would get to owrk if the paratransit service were cut back or even stopped. i sure have not seen any churches stepping up to the plate on that one.

latest development in genarlow wilson case: state ag thurbert baker says that if the wilson sentence is overturned, everyone else convicted of the same crime could be affected. his direct quote as reported in the ajc: This ruling, if its stands, would have the potential to reduce or set aside the sentences of a significant number of those convicted felons,” Baker said. “The ruling also has the potential to allow convicted child molesters already released from prison to avoid having to register on the state’s sex offender registry.” First of all, i am sure mr. baker is aware that the vast majority of those convicted on the same charge were full-grown adults at the time of the crime, so the wilson ruling would not apply to them. Secondly, the ag should be firmly and pointedly reminded that the original author of the aggravated child molestation bill has said more than once that it was not intended to apply to consensual teenage sex.Lastly, the douglas county da should be in trouble witht he state bar since he said that the 17-year-old was basically gang-raped. this comment came long after the jury declared innocence on that charge. it is a serious ethical violation for a prosecutor to make such a wildly inflammatory statement and could open him up to a libel suit.

have a quick friday and a slow weekend, everyone :D

By Dave

June 15, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Anyone who is against this version of voter ID wants non-citizens to vote. The opponents are using anything they can to stop it. Why do they try so hard to stop it? Corruption.

By Rod

June 15, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

SharonH - you must be new to this blog?!?! You stated: “Jim, I’m stunned. I was expecting you to take Kathy Cox to task for the abysmal graduation rates in Georgia. After all, just last week you gave her a pat on the back for the CRCT scores. Why not hold her accountable for her failures?

Don’t you know why he doesn’t say negative things about her? She’s a Republican. Jim only has negative things to say about Democrats - he doesn’t have the balls to call-out the poor job Republicans are doing.

By jm

June 15, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw@8:26 - with cuban sugar (at world market prices) maybe coca cola would start using that instead of corn syrup to sweeten their products. Of course, with the drive to use ethanol (another boondoggle designed to line the pockets of corporate america), maybe the price of corn will rise enough to make sugar more cost effective.

By catlady

June 15, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

MARTA and Grady Hospital are a lot alike. They cave in to the demand that people pay their way somewhat for the services they use. The good people of metro atl should not up their ante a bit until Marta’s board and Grady’s board put some responsibility back on the users of their services!

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

June 15, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

Jim,

You forgot this lil’ nugget for today:

Jaws flap as $4.6 million rural grant goes to Aflac

By JAMES SALZER The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 06/15/07

A state program designed to help struggling rural communities is putting $4.6 million into the Columbus expansion of one of Georgia’s largest and most politically connected companies, Aflac Inc.

The grant was announced recently by the OneGeorgia board, which is headed by Gov. Sonny Perdue and Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, two former lawmakers who were in the General Assembly when the economic development program was approved in 2000.

OneGeorgia, which is budgeted to spend $47 million on loans and grants in the upcoming fiscal year, has expanded beyond its rural roots in recent years, putting money into remodeling a pricey Augusta hotel and helping pay for machinery for a Boeing Corp. facility in Macon. Honda, AirTran and FedEx are just a few of the big companies that have benefited from OneGeorgia awards.

Providing a grant to an insurance company with almost $14.6 billion in revenue last year like Aflac surprised some rural lawmakers.

“Wow,” exclaimed Rep. Chuck Sims (R-Ambrose), who represents a tobacco-growing county that was supposed to benefit from OneGeorgia. “It surprises me that it’s going to something like that rather than a rural area. We are down here just struggling to get a road paved.”

By spaceman109

June 15, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

cherry picker…your submission about the onegeorgia grant to a multi-billion dollar company is a good one :) will be interesting to watch jim twist himself into a million knots as he tries so hard to defend that one. and yes, he will try to defend this bizarre grant since it was done by his close buddies perdue and cagle.

By getalife

June 15, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

Jim is slipping.

Nothing on Peachcare and signing up more kids.

Geez.

By GodHatesTrash

June 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Let’s see - 11th district - repeatedly elected the POS Norwood, lots of evangelicals (ergo, lots of superstitious ignoranusues), lots of high school dropouts - prime GOP territory.

I’m with Jim on this one - the 11th is GOP.

Trash elects trash.

By sct

June 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Cherry picker, WOW. 8:45, Great post!

By SharonH

June 15, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Rod, forgive me. A moment of insanity of my part. I hadn’t had my coffee yet…..

By Jim nail Kathy

June 15, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Jim, call out Kathy Cox not only for the horrible graduation rate, but rescind your praise about CRCT. Shes getting more kids to pass a dumbed down test. Way to go.

Link: CRCT is a Fraud

By asok

June 15, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Jim only has negative things to say about Democrats - he doesn’t have the balls to call-out the poor job Republicans are doing. Well Rod, where have you been? There are always comments here from the Right about what George W is doing wrong and Republicans like Graham are doing wrong. Rod, why don’t you have any negatives to say about your own party? Rod, any comment on Harry Reid’s 18% approval rating? Wowee..talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Rod, did you know that the President is the leader of this nation, and not the people or congress or the states or the UN or the EU? It’s in the Constitution. You know that document that you wingnut libs say George W is trashing all the time? What a moron.

By Howard

June 15, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Jim…a comment on the voter ID question…cannot anyone with an oun ce of sense see that Democrats and their usual sycophants scream and wail about this because if a voter ID is required to vote LEGALLY, then they won’t be able to cheat at the polls!?

By Howard

June 15, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Jim…a comment on the voter ID question…cannot anyone with an oun ce of sense see that Democrats and their usual sycophants scream and wail about this because if a voter ID is required to vote LEGALLY, then they won’t be able to cheat at the polls!?

By Howard

June 15, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Jim…a comment on the voter ID question…cannot anyone with an oun ce of sense see that Democrats and their usual sycophants scream and wail about this because if a voter ID is required to vote LEGALLY, then they won’t be able to cheat at the polls!?

By Howard

June 15, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Jim…a comment on the voter ID question…cannot anyone with an oun ce of sense see that Democrats and their usual sycophants scream and wail about this because if a voter ID is required to vote LEGALLY, then they won’t be able to cheat at the polls!?

By spaceman109

June 15, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

remember when jim and other conservatives were screaming with rage as the cloture rule was used by democrats to stop votes on federal judges nominated by the bush administration? remember how conservatives were furiously demanding that the cloture rule be trashed?

now that same dratted cloture rule is preventing a deeply flawed “immigration reform” bill from getting the same up-or-down vote which was demanded for those judges. that same cloture rule will also likely be the savior of talk radio for far into the forseeable future.

one could hardly ask for a more richly ironic situation.

By harold

June 15, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Jim they been adding lanes since the 1960 s when the first roads got paved here but traffic just keeps getting worse. 50 years later you think “more lanes” helps anything? It doesnt. “More lanes” fits that definition of insanity quite nicely about expecting different results this time from the same thing you’ve tried numerous times.

Cobb Place Blvd doesnt need more turn lanes. It already has two. What’s needed is access over or under I-75 between Barrett and Chastain that does not intersect with I-75.

How about (gasp) local light rail / monorail that, by going over I-75, connects Town Center Mall and the two big shopping centers West of I-75 and the Costcos and a leg up to kennesaw college? That way you could leave your car on one side of I-75 but get all your shopping done and then drive back home. If you live around there you could even go carless and retire at 50.

People use elevators within buildings because it’s faster and more convenient than the staircase. Why not use a local light rail system within a shopping district that’s too clogged with cars to bother?

Harold lives in Cobb but drives to Dawnsonville to shop because Harold can walk between lots of stores and spend less time in the car even with drivign to Dawnsonwille than Harold would driving to all the same stores in their various spots along Barrett.

Density is the answer, and public transit (even just a local system) brings density.

Right now you cant even live in crappy apartment on Barrett and go to Kennesaw College and work at the mall without keeping a car. What kind of sense does it make to require our college kids to maintain cars?? None. That’s waht kind. How many kids cant afford to stay in school at Kennesaw because they are spendign all their money on a car to go to work to try to pay for school?

By Don

June 15, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

More capacity for US78? Really? This is no capacity project. Right now, there are 3 lanes in the “rush” direction. After they’re done pushing dirt around and snarling traffic with construction sites for a couple of years we’ll have…..you guessed it, 3 lanes in the “rush” direction!

Big improvement. I can hardly wait for the fun to begin.

By Don

June 15, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

More capacity for US78? Really? This is no capacity project. Right now, there are 3 lanes in the “rush” direction. After they’re done pushing dirt around and snarling traffic with construction sites for a couple of years we’ll have…..you guessed it, 3 lanes in the “rush” direction!

Big improvement. I can hardly wait for the fun to begin.

By Don

June 15, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

More capacity for US78? Really? This is no capacity project. Right now, there are 3 lanes in the “rush” direction. After they’re done pushing dirt around and snarling traffic with construction sites for a couple of years we’ll have…..you guessed it, 3 lanes in the “rush” direction!

Big improvement. I can hardly wait for the fun to begin.

By jabster

June 15, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Disputes about whether something is “safe” — the highways, the skies, food, the air — crop into the news almost always in three contexts: labor troubles, a desire for more taxpayer money spent according to somebody’s agenda, or an effort to force an interest group’s preferred regulatory change.

Amen! Preach it, brother!

Just remember—legislators look at every problem as a legal problem-that’s their trade. Law enforcement looks at every problem as a law enforcement problem-that’s their trade. That’s what they are paid to do.

It’s up to the rest of us to call BS on some of these efforts and also say “there ought NOT be a law” at least once in a while. Don’t expect the lawmakers and law enforcers to work against their self-interest and do it for us.

If we don’t do it, the end result is a crazy quilt of laws begetting more laws, unintended consequences, and a lot less freedom for the rest of us—all in the name of keeping someone from bumping their head or getting a hangnail.

Anytime someone says “it’s for the children” or “if it saves one life it’s worth it”, etc., do the “green” thing—grab your shovel and start a compost pile.

By getalife

June 15, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

“The endgame in Iraq is now clear. We ought to start coming to grips with the meaning of losing in Iraq.

Were our founding fathers here, they would surely look on Iraq with horror and judge that the nation they created had fundamentally lost its way. If the war in Iraq leads the United States to return to its traditional, restrained grand strategy, then perhaps the whole experience will not have been in vain.

The American people seem to understand, however — and historians will certainly agree — that the war itself was a catastrophic mistake. It was a faulty grand strategy, not poor implementation.”

Christopher Fettweis, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College.

What a freaking waste.

Geez.

By Van

June 15, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Don,

By removing the variable lane indicators on US 78(so called suicide lanes), it will make it easier for liberals and those from mid-town to drive safer.

By Planner

June 15, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Let’s check back in five years and see how “fixed” that traffic bottleneck really was. Truly “fixing” a problem requires a long-term viewpoint and consideration of alternatives to single occupant vehicle travel. Believing that extra lanes is the panacea for every congestion problem in this region is simply delusional. And for what it’s worth, this is a safety improvement project, not a congestion relief project, so the entire premise that it will “fix” congestion is not valid.

By Southern Democrat

June 15, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

A sad comment on a brilliant jurist who could never get his emotions and bias out of the way:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/opinion/14thu4.html?em&ex=1182052800&en=675f471068eed482&ei=5087%0A

By harold

June 15, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

extra lanes has been tried for 50 years now but we have more traffic than ever!

all extra lanes to is make land further and further out available to be profits for developers

victims move into these exurb places only to discover 2+ hour commutes each way and $600+ gasoline bills.

victims? nah. they are just the “bigger is better” idiots. they buy the biggest house they can and the biggest motor vehicle they can and have the resultant smallest bank account possible and the fattest wife and kids around

of course, Jack thinks that’s great. he really digs the fat ones.

By HAROLD

June 15, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

WHY IS THE DOT NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE ON THEIR PROJECTS?

WHY ARENT THE RARE SUCCESSES AND COMMON FAILURES EVALAUTED BEFORE POURING MORE MONEY INTO THE DOT?

ALL THEY DO IS FAIL AND MAKE THINGS WORSE. THEY SOUND LKE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE EVALUATED TO DEATH

WHY KEEP POURING MONEY INTO THE DOT? WHY WHY WHY?

DOT NEEDS ABOLOSHED

ROADS SHOULD BE PRIVATIZED AND PAY-TO-USE

TOLLBOOTHS EVERYWHERE! TODAY! DO THEM ELECTRONICALLY AND THEY WONT SLOW ANYBODY DOWN. YOU WONT EVEN KNOW THEY ARE THERE.

By GOB

June 15, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

As someone who grew up in snellville, but now lives near Barret, I can assure you that neither of these going to “fix” anything. Adding 1 lane in Snellville will fix the traffic problem in the same way that praying for rain will erase the drought.

On Barrett, to add another turn lane means taking away a driving lane. At that intersection, there is not enough land to add more lanes. Anyone drive down Barrett lately and think that it can afford to have one less driving lane??

Until there is some sort of light rail throughout the entire metro area, we are never going to get any real relief from the congestion. I dont expect it to happen in my lifetime.

By Georgia's Voter ID Law

June 15, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten shamelessly misinformed his readers again this morning when he wrote above that the Voter ID law was unanimously upheld by the Georgia Supreme Court.

In fact, The Court never heard the Voter ID case. They threw it out because the plaintiff didn’t have standing to sue (throwing a case out without having heard the arguments because of a reasonable technicality and upholding a law are two very different things).

If a plaintiff harmed by the law (there are thousands) were to sue, then the Georgia Supreme Court would be likely listen to the arguments of the case and, hopefully, rule as most other courts addressing this issue have ruled to date –- that the Voter ID law is unconstitutional.

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2007/06/11/0611metvoterid.html

By rooster blogburn

June 15, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Say there, these good people wouldn’t go back on their word from six months ago already regarding Iraq, would they? Sure they would. They are Democrats. Let the wind make their decisions for them. Check the wind sock.

By Tom Curry

National affairs writer

MSNBC

Updated: 5:12 p.m. ET Dec 5, 2006

WASHINGTON - Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had a message Tuesday for voters who elected a Democratic Congress last month hoping it would force President Bush to bring U.S. troops home from Iraq.

“We will not cut off funding for the troops,” Pelosi said. “Absolutely not,” she said.

“None of us want to fail; none of us want to see Iraq as a failure,” said incoming Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland.

By Steve

June 15, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

“Congress is a political playpen”. Why shouldn’t congress pass a bill knowing Bush will veto a bill? This forces Bush to be accountable for his position. If congress doesn’t pass a bill Bush can claim a position without taking any action.

By TW

June 15, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

“Congress is a political playpen.”

Preferred the w******* variation, eh? Got stock in knee pads, Jim?

By DublDawg

June 15, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

I support a voter ID requirement, but think that the arguments advanced by Roy Barnes under the state constitution in the state court challenge actually has more merit than the cases before Judge Murphy in Rome.

Jim, the Ga. Supreme Court decided the case on the issue of standing, i.e. the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to assert the claims. That is not the same as deciding the cases on the merits. Your statement that the Court unanimously upheld the law is erroneous because there was no decision on the merits. Opponents to the law can easily dredge up some new plaintiffs who can articulate an alleged injury under the law and start over, there is no precedent that would preclude that under the principles of stare decisis.

By jbmlaw

June 15, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Dear Southern @ 10:35, in the British colonial empire the appropriate phrase would have been, “I think he has gone native.”

By harold

June 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

so anyway, “Cobb is adding turn lanes to the second-most dangerous intersection in the region, Barrett Parkway and Cobb Place Boulevard. “

is that supposed to make it less dangerous somehow? having the people in turn lane 2 swinging wide into lane 3 or even going straight because they never heard of 3 turn lanes?

they are just making this intersection even more dangerous except its not really dangerous for anybody except pedestrians and bicyclers. the cars just have little fender benders so who cares

By deegee

June 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Harold, you made some good points concerning transportation but you made one poor assumption when you told us that you walk when you shop in Dawsonville. If Mr. and Mrs. FatA$$ America considered walking a form of transportation then we might not be in the mess we are in. Sprawling shopping centers where land is relatively cheap will always create traffic congestion. A well designed pedestrian walkway and lightrail would no doubt alleviate the congestion. Would the American consumer go for it when you see people that will sit in a drive through for 10 minutes with their engines running and their AC blasting rather than park and walk inside where no one is waiting? I doubt it.

By Rob

June 15, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Jim! This is Atlanta. A sixth lane is the prelude to 3 more high density subdivisions. You know that. Some developer just got in somebody’s pocket to get that done before he starts construction and the scream goes up for him to contibute to it. Jeeze, Jim. And how long did you say you’ve lived in Atlanta?

By jbmlaw

June 15, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Funny story for my conservative friends. Harold, don’t read it, it will just hurt your feelings, and you don’t deserve that.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21068

By Millions for Millionaires

June 15, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Piggybacking on the post at 10:46, Wooten also shamelessly misleads readers about who is responsible for the enormously wasteful and harmful farm subsidies (referred to as “Millions for Millionaires” by the Heritage Foundation).

Here’s an excerpt from the 5/13/02 issue of USA Today, when the farm bill, currently in place, was signed —

“The [$190 billion farm] bill rains federal largess on farm-oriented states that will be campaign battlegrounds this fall, potentially helping Bush in his quest to win back control of the Senate for the GOP — and giving him a chance to rack up IOUs for his own 2004 re-election effort.

It increases spending by nearly 80%over the cost of existing programs at a time when government and private analysts are projecting a budget deficit this year of $100 billion or more. The president has been calling on lawmakers to show fiscal restraint.

Bush signed the bill at an unusually early hour — a nod, he said, to farmers who get up early every day to produce America’s food. He was flanked by farm-state lawmakers from both parties who hope to benefit politically from the measure.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/05/13/farm-bill.htm

By ckt

June 15, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Congress is a political playpen

I know, Jim. Its ridiculous!!! Imagine congress trying to pass a bill that 2/3 of Americans agree with to allow stem cell research, and find a way out of Iraq, which 70% of Americans agree with!!! Hard to believe democrats take “We the people…” seriously!

You don’t really think adding more lanes does anything, do you?? Please allow me to save some amount of respect for you!

And I should mention - a lot of comments deal with Reid and congresses low (and slipping) approval rating. Why don’t we go back a few weeks, when the democrats looked serious about withdraw in Iraq. They favorables were 55%. It now stands at 35%. Think backing off on Iraq had anything to do with it?? I think so.

Once again, Jim, you are a disappointment.

By getalife

June 15, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

About the illegal immigrant amnesty.

I have found articles on how Mexico deals with immigration on its southern border, they lock them up and mistreat them.

But, I could not find how they secure their southern border.

I think we should find out and do the same. There is a sheriff in Arizona who could do the job.

By getalife

June 15, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

From Bartcop:

“Since Nixon and Reagan, there
hasn’t been a Republican as berated,
attacked, demeaned, impugned, and
lied about as George W. Bush.
No respect has been offered.”
— Piggy Piggy Limbaugh

Pigboy, No respect has been offered
because no respect has been earned.”

Indeed dittoheads.

By harold

June 15, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

The government needs to either get out of the business of roads or offer a complete transportation system by giving us all a Ford Fusion to go with our roads.

Why does the government offer us an incomplete transportation system? They build roads but expect us to own and operate private vehicles? What a scam!

Does the government build school buildings and then require families to hire their own teachers? Uh… No. So why do they get away with building roads and leaving us to buy cars? How is this supposed to make sense?

If commuter rail is more expensive than roads, well, just add in the costs of private motor vehicles and see the scales tip the other way.

So… Sonny Perdue… Sam Olens… Where is my Ford Fusion? The roads I am forced to pay for are useless without it! Give me a car to make the public transportation system work!

By harold

June 15, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

very funny story about the global warming hoax

but what more proof do you need of global warming than fires and alligators taking over Georgia?

By Jason

June 15, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Anyone who bothers to do the slightest bit of research on the efficiency of heavy rail systems will find something real interesting.

The most cost effective heavy rail system in the US in 2006 in terms of cost per passenger mile: MARTA 2005: MARTA 2004: MARTA 2003: MARTA 2002: MARTA etc., etc., etc.

Do your own research and not the half truths spread by neighborhood talk and partisan pundits.

As far as solving traffic bottlenecks goes, well the state keeps throwing hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars (only 20% of which comes from the state gas tax) at these problems only to have them reappear less than a year after they’re solved. Anyone remember the huge “freeing the freeways” campaign the DOT put on in the 80s? Those freeways are now even more clogged. Even the DOT admits that if Georgia spends all the money the DOT has asked for (remember, most of this money comes from the general fund, not the gas tax which is so weak and pathetic that you really have to label our road system as socialist) congestion will continue to get worse and worse.

I’m not going to tell you to use MARTA. I’m not going to tell you to move intown or to support expanding mass transit. What I am going to tell you is that unless you get off your bottom and do some research on your own (that means real research, not columns like Jim’s filled with cherry picked numbers and cocktail napkin math), you’re going to remain ignorant of why things are the way they are and continue to spend greater and greater amounts of your income for a ever worsening commute.

Look at the US Department of Transportation’s National Transit Database. Check with AAA on the cost of building roads and how Georgia’s spending compares to other states in terms of what it gets for its money. Also ask AAA about the total cost of operating a car per mile (you’ll be surprised). Check with campaign finance records to see which companies that do business with the DOT contribute to which political campaigns. Read the research from Samford University on road funding in southern states. Read up on economics and what happens when you price something below market value, such as the large subsidies that transit receives and the even larger (both in absolute terms and in per capita) subsidies that roads receive to figure out why congestion exists. Ask your represenatives why DOT never gets audited, never has to justify its selection of vendors (especially when the winning bidder had a more expensive bid than others), and why there is practically no oversight into where the money given to DOT goes.

Get off the blogs crying and whining and do some work if you really want to understand. If not, continue to be upset and amazed when the world around you doesn’t match the unrealistic model of the world you have spinning around in your head.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

June 15, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Jason = my new hero.

It all makes sense to me, but Marta will continue to be the stepchild and the developers and pavers will continue to grease the greasballs who run our government.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

June 15, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Jbmlaw,

Re your 11:25 link. That’s a real hoot, but it as about as effective as a schoolyard bully in the principal’s office.

For your reference, here’s what your buddy Newt has to say about all that.

If you’ll notice, this story is from an actual publication with real readers, as opposed to the kool-aid drinkers that read your link.

By jabster

June 15, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

JaCP @ 1:22:

One big difference between Newt and the watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) is that Newt wants to use technology to get us out of the global warming risks (many such technologies would have other benefits), versus donning the hairshirts and whipping ourselves with the scourges of “lifestyle changes” and “sacrifices”, or buying carbon credit “indulgences”. Speaking of Kool-Aid!

With the right application of technology, this can be a win-win-win.

As far as I am concerned, the high priests of the global warming/austerity/anti-technology religion can call me an apostate and send me to their personal hell all they want.

I will not make lifestyle changes so the Algores of the world and other members of the green nomenklatura can continue to live their bloated lifestyles (not that there’s anything wrong with that!) without their self-manufactured guilt.

If we get serious about energy independence and move away from fossil fuels coming from fun-dement-alist nations run by wackos, we can kill multiple birds (terrorism, global warming, NOx/ground-level ozone, etc.) with one stone, all WITHOUT lifestyle changes.

(Note to PETA/ELF/ALF: No birds were actually harmed in the writing of this post. Please feel free to worship at the altar of my backside.)

By Don

June 15, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

US78 is a $14M project. The main benefits are safety and economic redeveloment of the corridor. These seem like worthy goals to me, but lets just not call it a “capacity” project, please.

These benefits accrue completely within the bounds of Gwinnett Co. Yet, the $10M of the funding is FEDERAL. Why? This is a local project.

Seems kind of hypocritical for a conservative to come out FOR such a thing, particularly when there’s no published cost-benefit analysis, that I could find, anyway. And, particularly when these same so-called conservatives demand three decimal place precision cost/benefit analysis on every transit project. Where’s the due dilligence?

Also, just the other day, JW endorsed the notion of spend public money on private company infrastructure (moving more freight by rail rather than highway). A very liberal, progressive idea!

By Es

June 15, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

HOPE stipends have cut merit scholarships out of much of their market. Those who object to higher college tuition for illegals should encourage foundations and private-sector givers to direct a few scholarships to brainy illegals. Government doesn’t always have to be the solution

YES, what was Mike King thinking when he suggested taxpayers subsidize tuition for illegal aliens?

The Catholic church has been long known for harboring and aiding illegals, perhaps they will also take on this mission? This is said with a great deal of appreciation for what the church does.

By BS Aplenty

June 15, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Re: Southern Democrat

Fellow (but misguided) Southerner, I would be careful about using the highly liberal NY Times editorial page(or any other “fish wrapper”) as a source for the facts, only the facts and all the facts in a case.

By Don

June 15, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Harold -

Commuter rail is cheaper to build AND operate than to just build equivalent highway lanes. (even when you have to supply your own car) But, I suspect you already knew that.

For what it would cost to build 30 miles of an additional lane on I-85 you could do the whole Brain Train route, plus 2 others, and cover the operating costs forever.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

June 15, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Jabster,

Funny you should mention energy independence. Seems I recall that when Carter first mentioned it back when ties were short and fat, he was laughed out of office.

Facts are that the oil companies tricked us into developing an economy that is incredibly inefficient and unsustainable, and as a result we’re beholden to a bunch of freaks for oil. And as an extra added benefit, global warming is real.

If I remember my Sunday School correctly, that’s kinda like a parable on greed.

And you can listen to Newt’s blue sky ramblings about technology all you want, but check out the Contract With America for an example of how good he is at talking big but not delivering.

By Southern Democrat

June 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

BS Aplenty,

As I’ve stated earlier on here, I read the NY Times, Wall Street Journal, and Financial Times daily (none cover-to-cover) in an attempt to get a picture of what’s going on in the world.

Judge Bork is a brilliant, brilliant man, who for (whatever reason) has become somewhat of a hypocrite and strayed from that which made him effective and worthy of respect.

By rarringt

June 15, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon all,

Hi BS Aplenty,

I admire the forthrightness of your screen name, but would implore you to err on the side of less BS.

I see your reasoning. The world renowned “paper of record” provides facts that, for some odd reason, don’t comport with what you heard Sean and Rush saying on talk radio/TV, and suddenly it’s “highly liberal” and not credible.

You are an interesting person. Hey everyone, let’s watch how someone like the aptly-named BS Aplenty “thinks right….”

Global warming isn’t real.

The “scientists” are split on global warming.

Ok, it’s real, but it’s not our fault.

Ok, it’s our fault, but it’s not serious enough to do anything about it.

Ok, it’s serious, but not enough to affect our economy.

Ok, it’s bad for the economy, but we shouldn’t do anything until Rush and Jim get back from another “fact finding” trip to Cuba, and we can find some way to get Halliburton involved.

Ok, maybe we’re heading towards an environmental catastrophe, but do have an intelligent discussion on it would hurt the troops and support the terrorists….

Ok, instead of the terrorists, let’s blame the Mexicans, and when anybody tells us it’s not their fault, we’ll accuse them of racebaiting….

By rarringt

June 15, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

…”mommy, mommy, I don’t want to be on this ride anymore…”

By I have Bush's Watch

June 15, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Hey BS aplenty, this isn’t the Rush Limbaugh show, if you have facts to counter the NY Times with state them.

The “NY Slimes” line is great for the teeny bopper debaters that can only parrot what they hear and offer nothing of substance. It won’t work here.

By jabster

June 15, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

JaCP @ 3:16:

It also didn’t help that when we first started to get serious about energy independence in the mid-1980s, OPEC (primarily Saudi Arabia) started dumping oil on the market in what turned out to be a successful effort to bankrupt these energy-independence efforts before they could become profitable and sustainable. People saw cheap oil and suddenly, alternative energy looked really pricey, and people forgot about that. Plus, the private money that didn’t get lost in the bankruptcies took flight.

Big Oil (not just ExMob and all the other filling station names, but also OPEC) won’t give up their business without a fight—nor should we expect them to. If demand for oil goes down, expect the price to follow, putting pricing pressure on the alternatives. Especially when your export alternatives are camels, sand, and terrorists.

It’s not some kind of Halliburtinati conspiracy. It’s just the marketplace.

We need to be prepared for that! As a libertarian, it hurts me to advocate this, but if we want to get serious about energy independence, we need some kind of time-limited financial support for alternative energy—either a subsidy on it and/or a tax on oil. Maybe adjust the tax so that it provides a price “floor” to prevent oil from sustaining a price advantage until it is supplanted by alternatives.

I could say let the free market work here, but unfortunately, the free market won’t (really, can’t) take present geopolitical costs into account. And the costs of global warming are too vague and slippery at this point for anyone to try and properly account for that. But my point is that there are too many externalities for the free market to work properly here.

Lastly, I don’t expect Newt—or anyone on Capitol Hill—to invent anything themselves. It’s not the government’s job—and they would bugger it up anyway. Look at what NASA is doing today versus Virgin Galactic.

The government doesn’t have to do everything for us, darnit!!!

The private sector has a role to play here. It has come through many times in the past and will again—as long as we resist the evil (yes, evil) temptation to demonize people for getting rich off of the vicissitudes of the human condition.

By getalife

June 15, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

The monster returns

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

June 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Jabster,

I agree with everything you said, but I never said that government has to do everything for us. That’s a common refrain of talk radio, Jim and his ilk on this blog, but it’s not borne out in the comments of those who challenge his hypocricy.

If private buiness interests are unable to invest in ventures that are capital intensive and have low returns over long periods(a rail system, perhaps), then how will things change for the better for society?

Our economy’s focus is on near term profit, not long term sustainabiltiy.

It should be the role of government to set a course for the country that is sustainable. If it were up to corporate america, we’d still be driving cars without seatbelts, painting our houses with lead and putting out lake fires.

Today’s news regarding breakfast cereal is a good example. Without intense pressure from public interest groups and the threat of congressional investigations, Kellog’s would not have an incentive to quit marketing sugar to children for breakfast via addiction based marketing techniques…techniques that they are unable to defend themselves against.

Sugary cereal is bad for children just like the carbon emissions from oil are bad for the atmosphere. But both products are highly profitable.

What’s more important? Them or us?

PS…all those loudmouth space pioneers spouting off about NASA and government bureaucracy wouldn’t be where they are today without all the “science for science sake” that NASA has produced over the years. They’re piggybacking on some of the greatest research man has ever conducted…and crying about those who did it.

By BS Aplenty

June 15, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Re: rarringt

Now don’t go throwing a hissy fit my boy. My comments spring from experience with editorials, i.e. opinions, as opposed to an objective assessment of all the facts (such as one would get at a trial). I only cautioned my fellow Southerner to be wary of using editorial pieces as the basis for a soundly reasoned conclusion - lest we err in justice.

Case in point - Genarlow Wilson was duly convicted & sentenced according to Georgia law. Wilson was offered a lesser sentence but refused to accept the plea deal offered other defendants in the case.

ESPN & the NY Times both picked up the case and decried the state of justice in Georgia & highlighted the suspected racial inequities in the case. Yet neither media report revealed that a) the girls in question were also black, b) others have also been convicted under the same Georgia statute and c) Wilson was offered a reduced sentence but refused. In point of fact, “justice” (the application of law to the facts) was obtained.

My conclusion from this and other cases is that media reports are not always comprehensive or objective.

how’s that for a volley of your back-handed compliment

By deegee

June 15, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Read and weep, link below. Even if we could wean ourselves off of petroleum for automobiles, it is unlikely that there will emerge a single source of energy that will supply demand in the long term. I envision a combination of petroleum, nuclear, solar, hydrogen, ethanol and LNG. Petroleum use is so pervasive in our daily lives we forget how dependant we really are on oil. It’s time to wake up and start taking action rather than to continue to bicker about whose fault it is.

http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2656034.ece

By jabster

June 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

JaCP @ 4:42:

It should be the role of government to set a course for the country that is sustainable

I would continue that with the phrase “…and where the free market cannot do so, or is unwilling to do so, by itself”.

There’s enough capital in the private sector to invest in just about anything. It all comes down to willingness to do so—usually a function of expected rates of return over other alternatives.

If something provides a “public good” or avoids a bunch of externalities that don’t directly accrue to the investors, those costs or benefits don’t count in the analysis under conventional accounting and finance when calculating a rate of return.

While many have tried to do so, I am not sure that this can be done in a sufficiently robust and mathematically correct way. It can easily be SWAGged, but SWAGs have no place in math. That doesn’t mean that the costs or benefits don’t exist, just that they can’t be precisely quantified (aka “fuzzy math”). Enter the government.

You make an excellent point about NASA and their early research. Maybe it’s time for them to accept our thanks, and then step aside for the private sector? Or move on to something new, like solar energy research?

Government does a good job of doing what the private sector cannot or will not do, but by definition their “good job” wins by forfeit. Government tends to not do a good job when going head-to-head against the private sector.

I disagree that we necessarily need the government to protect us from (to use your examples) lead paint, cars without seatbelts, or sugary cereals. If demand is strong enough, the private sector will provide alternatives. If not, then see my argument above.

My six-year-old daughter doesn’t eat sugary cereal. Why? 1) We don’t let her watch a lot of commercial-laden TV. She watches not just (government) PBS but also (private sector) Disney and videos. 2) She can’t drive the car to go buy cereal. That’s my job. If she asks for Froot Loops, I say NO. She gets Cheerios. End of discussion. When she turns 16 (I may wait until 18), she can drive to the store herself and buy all the Froot Loops her allowance will buy.

No government required.

Yes, I know, some people think they need someone to protect themselves (or others) from themselves. But why should I suffer for their failures to make good choices?

It’s tempting to say “life’s tough; it’s even tougher when you’re stupid”. It’s also tempting to say that we need to protect our fellow man in any way possible. Where do we draw the line? And at what cost? And to whom? Free lunches are still banned; unintended consequences are still legal.

By K-Squared

June 15, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

BS Aplenty,

First, I’ve been following the Genarlow Wilson case by reading the AJC, and I was well aware of the facts you listed. Therefore, your assertion is, in fact, BS Aplenty.

That said, none of your “new” information is remotely relevant to the fact that Wilson was convicted for violating an unjust (and accidental) law that carried an unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment. In fact, that others have been convicted under the same statute (I assume you’re referring to the “Romeo and Juliet” dragnet in the statute before it was belatedly corrected) is even more reason to support his cause. Wilson was courageous not to accept a plea.

With regard to the Bork editorial, if you have a specific complaint about a detail or details of this opinion and the supporting facts, then let’s have it. Otherwise, you’ve demonstrated that you are merely, as previously suggested, a non-thinking, pre-programmed DittoHead.

(I know that Limbaugh suggests that his listeners should allow him to do their thinking for them, but I’m amazed at how many people actually take him up on this offer.)

By Markus

June 15, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

I truly love how our resident diseased liberals crap themselves over Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al. These nazi wannabe fascists know damn well they’d shut that speech down in a heartbeat if they could. Not that it would matter to many Republicans, because we are actually working during the weekdays and busy bettering ourselves instead of festering over what someone says on 1930s airwaves technology and reading blogs all day.

But enough of that…

So, adding lanes improves traffic. Whooda thunkit? Georgia 400 has added one north and southbound lane between McFarland and Northridge I believe. Strangely, that mid-section of 400 flows well at 8am. Now of course in five years or less with everyone and their mama from the Nawth wanting to escape their high communistic taxation and live in this stupid redneck backwards state OTP, that will change.

Bike trails? Where are we going to build bike trails? Every last postage stamp piece of property left around metro ATL has been (over)developed for the aformentioned transplants who sold their $500,000 New England/Kalifornia dumps for $500,000 McMansions. Further, there is no way in hell I’d ride a bike around with punk squids driving their rice burner Fast-n-Furious wannabes, soccer moms yapping to their girlfriends about the latest cute outfit at Macy’s, and drunk Mexicans that can’t figure out which way is north or south on the freeways and highways.

The bus? Has anyone seen how many people ride MARTA buses outside of downtown? You’d be lucky to see more than six people on one at any given time, including rush hour. Those things have the capacity to hold like what, THIRTY? Regarding the train, you econazi liberals can have it.

I’d rather have a rush hour wreck than be accosted and stabbed while going to and from work, especially considering I can’t pack heat on them (or on their parking lot property). Yes, it HAPPENS.

What kind of idiot would object to higher college tuition costs to illegal (Mexicans)? Oh yeah, an idiot liberal. Hell Americans have higher college tuitions just by being OUT OF STATE. But that point is rather moot since 90% of illegal immigrants (Mexicans) are minimal-skilled, minimal-educated people who have no interest in doing anything but working manual labor, drinking a six pack, and/or committing crimes.

In other words, your Class A democrat(ic) voter constituent. Take that Geraldo. I saw you get all huffy and puffy like a candyassed liberal last night on O’Reilly where Michelle Malkin gave you a whippin’ like I never saw (and I mean that chick didn’t play around).

By LMK

June 15, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

jabster wrote, “If something provides a “public good” or avoids a bunch of externalities that don’t directly accrue to the investors, those costs or benefits don’t count in the analysis under conventional accounting and finance when calculating a rate of return. While many have tried to do so, I am not sure that this can be done in a sufficiently robust and mathematically correct way.

Such calculations can, in fact, be very robust. In addition, although such calculations cannot be precise (no economic calculations are precise), they should be performed and can be extremely illuminating. The GDP, DJIA, CPI and other economic figures are not precise. They use statistical data samples to calculate estimates. I guess that these economic statistics are, as you say, “fuzzy math”.

It is well within our capability to come up with intelligent and reasonably informative measures of the benefits of public goods and costs associated with specific externalities arising out of activities in the private sector — whether positive or negative. We can perform such calculations, we do perform such calculations, and we should continue to perform such calculations. There’s nothing conservative about a private company passing the cost of cleaning up it’s mess onto the taxpayers. Nor is there anything conservative about not realizing that certain public goods are the rails on which the capitalism train runs (both literally and figuratively).

I suggest reading a book called “Naked Economics”, if you haven’t already.

By Markus

June 15, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Congress IS a political playpen when it comes to the RATs running the crib: “What Georgie pulls for, we’ll be against. What Georgie is against, we’ll pull for it.” “I know you are, but what am I?” “Don’t be greedy with your own toys. I want your toys and am entitled to them” “I hate you and everything you stand for.” “Why didn’t you serve in the sandbox when you put other toy soldiers there? Coward. Nya nya nya {nose thumb}.” Buncha whiney big overgrown liberal BABIES.

I’m way over voter ID. The RAT pack will always use whatever means necessary to cheat their way into victory under the guise of using IDs is “voter intimidation.” Of course, those same numbnut liberals say NOTHING when welfare and socialist security check cashers have to use IDs to cash those checks. Liberal demoncats own hypocrisy.sKerry for example “won” Wisconsin by a whopping 11,000 votes out of nearly 3,000,000 cast. (That’s a .3% margin of victory for you nose pierced liberal goth freaks in Little Five Points). What naďve fool thinks for ONE MINUTE the dirty RAT pack wouldn’t have challenged those results had Bush won by that margin? Puh-leeze. The only good news looking forward is that Conservatives are out breeding liberals. Take THAT for family values.

Regarding the FAA, they are hiring like crazy for ATC personnel. But you know what? They can’t get enough qualified candidates to pass the pre-selection exam (that’s weed-out-the-ignoramuses for you nipple pierced liberal freaks in Virginnie Highlands).

As a Delta pilot buddy said, they are hiring ex-military controllers and fresh aviation school grads (Embry Riddle, FlightSafety, etc.) and paying up to $80,000, and that’s just to start. In fact, the FAA is taking away pilot candidates from regional carriers like Delta’s ASA Connection because their starting pay is so low.

Now why can’t the FAA find enough qualified civilian candidates? Would it have anything to do with the candyassed sick liberals running our schools and teaching our children those all-important topics of homosexuality is a normal lifestyle and 6th graders putting condoms on cucumbers? Or teaching them how great and wonderful socialism/communism is and how wonderful Cuba and Castro are? Or how about those sickos worrying more about a student’s self-esteem instead of telling him he “GOT A BIG FAT F” for only getting 4 out of 10 math problems correct? After all, getting the right answer is not as important as how you feel about yourself when you at least try to get the answer right.

And then there are the burger, French fry, and soda symbols on fast food POS (point of sale) terminals because US teens can’t read. To think sick liberals don’t want school CHOICE in this nation. PATHETIC.

By WootenDull

June 16, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

My goodness, what a stupid thing this was to print:

{{{Online editors at the AJC never intend to incite objectionable comments. They work diligently to remove those which don’t meet the site’s standards. Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}

Yep:

{{{By DogEatDogDull May 20, 2007 10:45 AM I’m a gay conservative she/male, and I support the dog eat dog world of social Darwinism favored by My Absolute Hero, George Dumbya Bush. I have never actually eaten dog, although I have philated them many times. I actually prefer fish, especially trouser trout.}}}

Gay bashing, animal husbandry, gay oral sex, no problem.

(P.S. If you are visiting the AJC logs for the first time, keep in mind that this^^ was one of the most thoughtful, intelligent posts that the liberals shared with us that day. Most of the rest were screaming and wailing about how stupid Conservatives are, without the bothering to tell us why Conservatives are stupid. If you are looking to debate the pertinent issues of the day, this ain’t the place.)

{{{When the topic is race or anything remotely related to it, ajc.com editors know that trouble’s ahead and as a result they monitor blog comments more closely.}}}

Really? When did you Cowards start doing that?

{{{By GodHatesTrash June 11, 2006 03:34 PM My bet is there will always be plenty of haters here in Georgia. Racism, xenophobia, and homophobia are what passes for a religion for most folks here in the 13th state.}}}

White people are fair game at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, you may hear the liberals tell you that they don’t hate and they don’t discriminate, that is a load of crap.

Look at this filth godhatestrash whining about people hating while he hates, look at the nickname this modern day Ku Klux Klanner rides around the internet with.

Liberals are ignorant medieval creations of their own television set, of which they sit in front of all day in gaping mouth wonder and awe at all of the stereotypical lies, hatred of religion and anti American propaganda the lazy shiftless drug addicts in Hollywood feed to them.

What a cultural wasteland, a whole generation of people mentally stunted by the army of daytime billionaire talk show hosts, inflicting their junk opinions and stupid feel good notions on the masses of dullards affixed to their TV’s like giant warts.

And the AJC wonders why “we” can’t talk about Vicki Locke without descending into mindless hateful slander and taunts, maybe that’s all these trolls are capable of doing after 40 years of liberalism leading this country around by it’s nose, you reckon?

Duh.

Look within the pages of your own newspaper at the massive army of ignoramuses you have created, stupid PC robutts with their heads planted firmly up their posteriors, vast herds of dimwits that you have trained to hate the very country they live in.

Why are you surprised they hate the American people too?

Geez.

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I watched the movie Bobby last nite, I have no idea why I do these things to myself.

You Coward liberals may want to look up the name Sirhan B Sirhan, it kind of has something to do with the Bobby Kennedy story, no matter how hard you ignore it.

Sirhan was a Jordanian arab who shot presidential candidate Kennedy in the head because of his support for Israel.

39 years ago.

Ignoring that fact did a lot of good, didn’t it?

How many more people will die before you Cowards figure out we have an enemy?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

Throwing them off of buildings isn’t worthy of a headline, shooting them in the head in front of their families gets no headline but:

{{{Fighters trash headquarters of defeated rival Fatah-Atlanta Urinal}}}

Now there’s a Urinal headline, fighters make a mess!

Am I missing something here?

Is indiscriminate killing of the enemy O.K. now or are you not freaking out because your side is doing it?

Cowards.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

Let’s check in on the Iraqi “civil war” that the libs and Al Qaeda are trying to provoke:

Chirp

Chirp

Chirp

Blow up another mosque you dumbas-ses, it’s just less places for the imans to preach their hate.

Cowards.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

Hey look, the “bumper sticker” is out to get you:

{{{SEVEN members of a terror cell run by al-Qaeda “general” Dhiren Barot were jailed for a total of 136 years today. The plans for a series of co-ordinated attacks in the United Kingdom included packing three limousines with gas cylinders and explosives before setting them off in underground car parks. This could have caused huge loss of life. The plans to set off a dirty bomb in this country would have caused fear, panic and widespread disruption.}}}

Uh, let me guess, “harmless,” right?

Geez.

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By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Guiliani Lays a Dozen Eggs!

“I will do everything good. I’ll do nothing bad. I’ll do good! Real Good Stuff, I’ll do. Good, good good!”

I will never wear mismatching Prada Pumps and Purses.

I’ll never wear a cocktail dress before six.

I’ll enforce the basic black dress code at all Evenings At the Met functions.

I’ll only arm Sunni Insurgents with guns that fire backwards.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Whoa. I can’t wait to see how God’s Trash/Pollydik responds to WD’s post this morning. Damn that had to hurt like a silver bullet.

Anyway, don’t look now, but Dirty Harry Reid has an approval rating about HALF of what Bush has! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Yes, the RAT pack with the Nanny don’t seem to be taking the bull by the horns and “leading” much, do they? Well America, you got what you deserved. I knew it would take putting the aholes back in congressional power to wake up the zombies.

George Will says it best:

So the Senate took Friday off, wasted Monday in the predictable futility of failing to pass a nonbinding nullity, a resolution expressing constitutionally irrelevant lack of confidence in the attorney general, then debated lowering gasoline prices — or cooling the planet, or something — by spending taxpayers’ money to raise food prices. It took up legislation to quintuple the mandated use of mostly corn-based ethanol, which already has increased Americans’ food bills $14 billion in the past 12 months. For such silliness, Reid scuttled the bipartisan attempt to improve the eminently improvable immigration status quo.

Good job, liberal RATs. The swamp was drained and replenished with SEWAGE.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Oh this horrendous, DISASTEROUS economy we are in (one would think the diseased liberals would have laid off that bullsh!t LIE since January when The Nanny took over, but I guess Bush is still a thorn in their sickasses).

Consumers brushed off rising gasoline prices and slumping home sales to storm the malls in May, pushing retail sales up by the largest amount in 16 months.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Apparently the hubcaps were missing on that dug-up ‘57 Plymouth..

I wonder if they found bobby-soxers in the Plymouths back seat having consensual oral sex?

The old car just wouldn’t crank. Sounds like a Chrysler product to me!

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Jimmy “Mr. Election Is Certified” Karter must be proud of his hick self. His bestest buddy forever, Hugo Chuvitz, is buying subs from Russia with love. Well, they are inferior to our Virginnie class and diesel, not nuke, but, they are still lethal. Fortunately, General Dynamic’s Electric Boat is working on a new generation of subs. I’m sure that upsets our resident diseased liberals, because we shouldn’t have more better weapons than our current and potential enemies. ‘Sniff.

F with us Chuvitz. PLEASE. The British kicked your southern neighbor’s @ss 25 years ago THIS WEEKEND over some islands. You want some of that, BRING IT ON.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Here we go. I knew it. Told ya so! CommieNewsweek is already rushing to the aid of the Shrillary. It’s a WAR ON HILLARY!

Like, WTF do those mangy mongrel liberal demoncats think they’ve been doing to Bush & Co. for say, THE PAST SEVEN FREAKING YEARS???

Pathetic.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Buh-bye Nifong, you pathetic SICK man. Only a liberal RAT would go after perceived rich white boys and try and take them down a few notches to lift his own pathetic @ss up in the eyes of others and get a fatter wallet. Payback.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Regarding what WD posted about 7 islamofascist terrorist pigs being jailed, here’s a look at the enemy of Western Freedom, and the friend of the limpwristed diseased left in this nation and around the globe. Why are these savage animals always so DAMNED UGLY?

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Emory has an early Christian Biblical exhibit with stone-inscriptions that include the name of Pontius Pilate. Other artifacts on display are a Dead Sea Scroll, fragments of the Second Temple, and a whale shark to explain the miracle of the five loaves and fishes.

MR. BLANK, TAKE DOWN THAT WHALE!

Overall, they should scale down the aquarium. The ocean itself can hardly hold those whale sharks.

Surely power dives and high speed movements are part of a whale shark’s repertoire necessary for good health. The sheer ignorance of putting a colossus like that in a mud hole is stupifying.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Emory has an early Christian Biblical exhibit with stone-inscriptions that include the name of Pontius Pilate. Other artifacts on display are a Dead Sea Scroll, fragments of the Second Temple, and a whale shark to explain the miracle of the five loaves and fishes.

MR. BLANK, TAKE DOWN THAT WHALE!

Overall, they should scale down the aquarium. The ocean itself can hardly hold those whale sharks.

Surely power dives and high speed movements are part of a whale shark’s repertoire necessary for good health. The sheer ignorance of putting a colossus like that in a mud hole is stupifying.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

“The Republican whip, Trent Lott of Mississippi, who supports the bill, said: “Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem.”

This is too funny. Rush is going after Lott on immigration so Lott wants to shut him up.

They love Rush until Rush does not love them.

Bwhahahahaha!

Losers!

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Oh shut the hell up Bush. Who are YOU to criticize the Democrats for spending? You had your chance with Republicans to REALLY rule Washington, and you caved to their drunk sailor spending, sucked up to the RAT pack like Ted “drunk Olds U-boat commander wannabe” Kennedy like it would help you somehow (clue: they H-A-T-E you), and just generally played nice guy with the diseased liberal demoncat party. In short, SIT DOWN AND SHADDAAAAP. You had Carte Blanche and blew it pal. Now deal with the consequences accordingly.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

That’s right Shrillary, flush the drugs down the toilet before the cops show up. You know your days are coming under the “rabid right-wing attack machine.” (As if the hypocritical @ssholes on the left don’t have a “rabid attack machine.”).

By Markus

June 16, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Did I just hear a filthy hypocritical liberal RAT mention something about Rush? “Naaaahhh…”

By getalife

June 16, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Not only did the gop spend like drunk sailors on cheap wh-ores but they had the audacity to block the Homeland Security bill spending with no earmarks, whining and crying about earmarks and spending.

People should tune into C-Span to watch the gop hypocrisy before they vote.

The Dems are trying and the gop are obstructing. The gop are the worst group, I have ever seen.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Guiliani’s List Revisited

On middle-eastern culture and fashions:

1). No Fatah Chicanery

2). No Fat Chicks

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

UCLA: teaching about diversity to it’s finest. Black graduations, Hispanic graduations, many Asian graduations, gay graduations, etc. etc. I thought one of the requisites of the disease of liberalism was inclusiveness and assimilation of diversity? What the hell happened in La La land at UCLA? Oh I geddit: no CHRISTIAN or WHITE separatist graduation ceremonies.

Got it. Sick, sick, sick. Liberalism is beyond a disease. It’s a national pandemic.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

A liberal is:

Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress.

Oooh, that is bad.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Now that the whale shark is officially dead, the CDC suggests that tourists visiting the Aquarium avoid the fish sticks they serve in the cafeteria….

It turns out that to save money, the Atlanta Aquarium was feeding the whale sharks meals loaded with Chinese Food Additives….

Someone is shooting dolphins in california. They’ve found four or five dead dolphins with the same calibre bullets in them. Some fisherman with sea-rage? Dolphins eat fish and some fishermen really hate dolphins. It doesn’t help that dolphins are blue necked and the fishermen are rednecked. Is this a east coast west coast thing? They waxed a couple of our fish so we wax a few of theirs? Where will it end.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Check this out. You know the “world” that the diseased left in this nation wets their panties over? You know the “world” that the diseased liberal demoncats in this nation can’t even wipe their backsides over without first finding out how they do it? You know the “world” in which the neoStalinist liberals in this nation think should lead the way into how America should be? You know that “world” I’m talking about?

Well, let’s see how downwiddat these genius, sheer brilliant liberal demoncats think about the “world” opinion on China catching up to the United States in economic and military power.

The poll, conducted by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and WorldPublicOpinion.org in conjunction with research centers around the world, found that a majority of citizens in eight of 14 countries surveyed (and a plurality in four) expect China to catch up with the United States economically and that they are not worried about it.

chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp

By JH

June 16, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

So, too, was Iraqi troop funding with a surrender deadline.

Mr. Wooten, wake up and smell the coffee. You and your fellow neo-cons have been had.

Unless you’re an ostrich, or are just pigheadedly blind, you know that the occupation, sold as a liberation to the party faithful, is going from very bad to worse. In every sense of the word. It is in fact, a full blown debacle now and our soldiers and marines are paying the ultimate price for Mr. Bush’s desire to have a legacy. Well, he certainly has one, doesn’t he?

The KIA, critically wounded and dollar numbers are climbing at an alarming rate. And this American disaster disguised as a grand experiment in democracy-building was built upon lies, misinformation, mismanagement, hubris and sheer incompetence by the most duplicitous administration since Nixon’s.

I truly wish I was wrong about all of this but, these are the facts and they are irrefutable.

Yet, there are those of you who will support this President’s chosen war to the bitter end, whenever that far off and receding date may be. And that is your prerogative, but your intransigence is misguided and deadly.

And your misuse of the word surrender is particularly interesting. But the only thing that is being surrendered are the chickenhawks and neo-cons abandonment of reason and discernment about how to effectively eliminate our enemies around the globe.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

“A liberal is: Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress.”

Gitmo, didn’t you question being called a liberal a couple months ago? Mmm-huh. You people can’t keep your focus on anything, can you? No, you people are all about emotions running things.

By the way, “progress” can be related to “progressive” of which leads us to the Socialist Party.

Everything is relative.

By JohnD

June 16, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

JH @ 11:16

How do suggest we “effectively eliminate our enemies around the globe”?

Very easy to be critical but less so to actually offer a solution. (See Democrats for the past 8 years).

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Ice on Mt. Kilimanjaro is not melting due to Mrs. Johnson’s Tahoe in Alpharetta. WHAT?? You mean to tell the hell out of me that ICE MELTING IS NOT THE RESULT OF MANKIND’S LIVING ARRANGEMENTS?

And diseased liberal junk science global walarmist Jim Jones cultist freaks want us to destroy our economy for THIS. UnFREAKINGbelievable.

Keep your candyassed cult of lies out of MY life, liberal FREAKS.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

My homo homies sure are demanding I stand to attention when they visit my perfumed love nest.

I feel I must unreservedly apologize to @@, Buy Danish, Markus, WD, Dusty, Van, Realist and TFTT for all the uncool sleazy personal abuse and insults I’ve posted. I was wrong to do this, it wasn’t cool or clever and I am deeply ashamed of my cowardly behaviour. Whilst I obviously disagree with them politically I know they have easily humiliated me most days on here. Perhaps we can all start afresh and I will stop my obsessive need to post my unfunny and pitiful drivel.

Once again folks I profoundly apologize for my anal boorish behavior and hope you all have a great weekend. I will be doing my thing for Habit for Humanity this afternoon and tomorrow and won’t be posting until next week.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Markus,

Our government needs reform. It is not working for the people.

All Americans should be liberal until it does work for the people.

Your conservative movement was hijacked by the corporate agenda. You can be a fascist or a liberal.

Its your choice.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Roads are socialized until they become toll roads.

Fire and police are socialized.

Health care is not and corporate greed has made the costs unacceptable.

Without limits to corporate greed, we have fascism. This is what we have today.

If you want to change this fascist government you would have to be liberal.

So, your liberal argument is rather silly, don’t ya think Markus?

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Final word on Sopranos Finale:

Carmela shows up late to dinner with the two FBI agents in tow to arrest Tony. She has the very pistol Tony used to whack a guy twenty years earlier that she found renovating the basement, under a cement floor that she thought needed replacing.

Tony sees the evidence, stands up and confronts Carmela. “WTF?”

Carmela gets in Tony’s face, “You bring this sh*t home to my family? No, you go down, not me. See you in fifteen to twenty, big shot.”

Tony suddenly grabs Carmela, puts a gun to her head, using her as a shield, and starts backing out of the restaurant. “You come after me, coppers, and she gets it!”

The FBI guys exchange glances, and then unhesitatingly pull out their own guns and start firing. Tony succesfully uses Carmela in a rag-doll fashion to fend off every shot, and soon her bullet ridden body is the only thing near the exit, because Tony is gone.

Carmella, mortally wounded, but still holding the old gun she found to convict Tony, fires back at the G-men killing them both.

Fade to black, sirens in background

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Gitmo. I’ll be an individual. When idiots like you try and sell your junk science, it’s not in the best interest of America. I have no CHOICE in those aformentioned things like roads (and let’s bring up socialist security while we’re at it).

Oh yeah, and Gitmo, Stalin talked about “progress” and “reform” to.

Sell that^^ bullsh!t to your fellow zombies. I’m not dead. But I do think for myself, and I think the disease of liberalism is RUINING this nation.

Silly? Only on planet Gitmo.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Will someone tell Pollydik to quite spamming up this blog? We know he wants to add fillers here so people will have a harder time finding real Conservative thought here.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Guiliani’s List revisited:

I promise never to wear white after Labor Day unless it’s for a late summer swim, you see I have this adorable two piece ensemble bathing suit just perfect for an afternoon dip…….

By getalife

June 16, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Do you ignore the reality that conservatism is dead and there are no real conservatives, just corporate wh-ores?

Do you ignore the damage you have done to our country and blame liberals?

Are you a coward who will not admit this destruction to our country?

The answers are all yes, so keep spewing your liberal garbage for all to read but we all know you are a just coward and a failed American.

By JH

June 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

How do suggest we “effectively eliminate our enemies around the globe”?

Very easy to be critical but less so to actually offer a solution. (See Democrats for the past 8 years).

John D, agreed. Staying the course/surging or leaving and doing next to nothing are both unacceptable.

A possible solution involves three parts. Extraditing as many troops as possible from Iraq. Getting our bravest, best and most experienced men killed there is counter-productive when they could be better used elsewhere.

I also believe that the use of surgical strikes is a better option. Reagan used it effectively in Libya and Clinton used that option as well. And the Israelis are masters of it.

If the President is serious when he says that ANY country harboring the enemy is our enemy, he would be wise to let them know that we reserve the right, without any reservations to strike and kill them at any time and at ANY place, from The Philippines to Lebanon. And then actually do it.

But to do this effectively, we also must dramatically and rapidly improve our intel gathering on the ground. Yep, good old fashioned moles, snitches and spies. It takes a long time to build up a reliable network and everyday we aren’t doing this works against us. We could have and should have captured/killed OBL long ago and the fact that we haven’t only emboldens the enemy.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

One of the BIGGEST denialist LIES from the diseased left these days is that “Conservatism is dead.” Hey numbnuts, WTF do you think happened to all those “Conservatives” who voted for Reagan in 1980, 1984, and Gingrich’s crew in 1994? You think they changed to being a RAT? WTF do you think is up with Bush’s low approval ratings? You think it’s all just RATs who hate him or could it be CONSERVATIVES that are p!ssed off at him? Try thinking sometime, Craponlife, your head will hurt less.

Regarding “conservatism being dead” it’s you diseased LIBERALS that are non-breeding your sick selves right the hell out of existence. Good damned riddance. You sickos can marry your cat for all I damn care.

By RW-(the original)

June 16, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Extradite our troops???????—by JH

Leave it to a moonbat(ic)® to immediately refer to our soldiers as criminals.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

The Nifong case of unbridled ambition shows the danger of a justice system that can be abused by prosecutors during an election campaign for their own office.

Of course he’s going to manipulate a media-worthy case like the Duke U Lacrosse case. If Paris got the book thrown at her, then Nifong should get the maximum penalty allowed by law.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Finally, like we should listen to a group of liberals who sit back and let their “leaders” trash our troops like Dick “Turban” Durbin while simultaneously saying islamofascist terrorism is an effin’ bumper sticker. No thanks, pathetic leper brained sickos.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

No macaca,

They do not want to destroy their country anymore and will stay home like they did in 06.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

As stated previously Craponlife, with Dirty Harry Reid’s 16% approval rating, it takes getting those pathetic @ssholes back in congress to wake America the hell up. Long term, your ilk is doomed. Liberalism has always been doomed to failure because the sickness doesn’t stand up on it’s own merit. It has nothing. It is nothing. It’s an emotion that sways in the wind.

Zombies.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

They call it a bumper sticker slogan because it is not a plan.

So far, the democracy plan is failed and there needs to be a complete stategy change along with new leadership.

Securing our borders would be a first step in the new stategy because without that, we are weak on national security.

By JH

June 16, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Sorry, RW. Poor choice of words on my part. I meant extract. From the rest of the article, most would easily understand that I don’t view our troops as criminals. My son is leaving for active duty soon, and I enlisted during Nam.

You might profit by working on YOUR discernment skills or lack thereof, when reading my posts. If either of us is quick to demonstrate extremism it is you, not I. So grow up a little, huh?

By Markus

June 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

No EDWARDS calls it a “bumper sticker” cause because he, like Clinton, is too cowardly to deal with the situation. The absolute LAST thing this nation needs is another POS getting his pole smoked in the Oral Orfice while pretending nothing bad is going on out there and then saying “look at all the peace we have.” We’ve been there and done that, and today, we are dealing with the consequences. Islamopig terrorists only understand two things: death, and death.

By RW-(the original)

June 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

uh JH, that was my first post on Wooten’s blog in about a month.

I think you’re hallucinating.

What article are you talking about by the way?

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

One of the dangers of this Hamas/Fatah violence is that a true leader might emerge uniting this entire Islamist Rebellion. Similarly, a leader could spring out of Iraq. The timing is right. We’re milling around letting too much time pass where the chaos is stabilizing and desensitizing the world to extreme political means.

Anything can happen now. This is the Right’s fault. This is why there is no Right left.

There’s no Left right, but there’s certainly no Right left.

Now if we could somehow get what’s left of the Left’s right to right the Left about what’s left of the Right, then maybe we could come up with the two wrongs necessary to define this mission.

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Anyone?

No one dares enunciate a mission in Iraq. First, You’d look stupid, because most of you are totally ignorant about geo-politics in general.

There is no mission in Iraq. The Right cant define Victory at all. they cant even define the surge with any degree of truth about what’s actually possible on the ground.

To address the Iraqi Mission, you would need first address the Israeli Mission during the six day war in 1967.

They still cant pin down what the strategic mission was in Gaza. They chased the Jordanians into it without any real orders.

That one move may be the root of all this middle eastern chaos today.

PBS had a very easily-followed broadcast about the Six Day War. It was effectively over in two hours when the Egyptian airforce was destroyed in that amazing preemptive airstrike. The entire Egyptian airforce! All of it! Every single plane!! One of the first lies to come out of that success was that the US helped Israel bomb the egyptian airbases. That’s like the first thing they teach you in Al Queda camp now. When they issue you a suicide vest they give you a pop quiz, “How did Israel manage to win the six day war in two hours?”

“The great satan’s aircraft carriers!”

“Correct! Except you forgot to say that the US is a good satan, not a great satan, eh? But You have passed. Now go blow yourself up for allah”.

It was forty years ago today….

By Markus

June 16, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

The record isn’t good under Clintoon’s watch Craponlife. How many terror attacks around the globe INCLUDING one at the WTC in 1993 were under HIS watch again?

Get YOUR facts straight, Craponlife.

Yeah, we need more of that^^ sh!t in the White House.

Gotta run to the office and upload a report since I can’t do it remotely, but I’ll be back to continue the reality b!tchslap of you diseased liberals.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

The Russian Cosmonauts must have learned how to space park from Meadow Soprano, eh?

By getalife

June 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

They were caught and locked up macaca.

Where the hell is OBL?

Cut and run loser.

By The Dull Life

June 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Lots of confusion in Georgia tomorrow - people trying to figure out who their real daddy is…

By JH

June 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

RW, I am here to engage in serious discussions about Iraq, etc.

At 11:23 JohnD asked a legitimate question regarding my original post and I replied. Read it again, I offered possible solutions. I’m not going to engage you in trivial word games and silliness. Of all of those ideas I offered, you chose to do NOTHING but to try and mis-characterize me as a “moonbat” at 11:55. Refute the facts I posted and provide something of substance such as YOUR ideas about the situation there.

There is plenty of strident name-calling and lack of objectivity here. Much of it in lieu of rational discourse. I’ll not contribute to that.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

A 21 mile tunnel under the Alps has opened. This tunnel took eight years and 3.5 billion to build.

Immediately, someone began herding Carthaginian Elephants through the tunnel to attack Italy.

Hannibal Lecter Lives!

By RW-(the original)

June 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

JH,

It just p!sses me off when you so glibly refer to our troops as criminals. It invalidates anything else you have to say and I merely pointed it out.

I have no intention of spending a beautiful Saturday engaging an idiot either, so have a great day.

Bye!

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

India has nominated a woman as one of it’s presidential candidate. Pratibha Patil is her name. She immediately donned a New York Yankee baseball cap and started talkin’ jive with the Kashmir Rebels to gain a broader support base.

Ms. Patil became a front runner when it was revealed her husband had an affair with an Untouchable last year.

By JH

June 16, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

It just p!sses me off when you so glibly refer to our troops as criminals. It invalidates anything else you have to say and I merely pointed it out.

Oh, the “logic” of this man is truly amazing! Even after I showed him the irrationality of his asinine assertion that I think our troops are criminals, he just ignores the truth, continues the lie and calls me childish names.

Again, my only son is soon to report for active duty and the all of RW’s pigheadedness won’t change that or how proud I am of my boy.

Thankfully this RW character won’t be wasting anymore of my time here.

getalife, I’m not sure I agree that true conservatism is dead, I think it has just been hibernating for some time.

If your point is that the word is being terribly misused these days, I agree.

By Political Foreskin

June 16, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Today’s googling for the Right: GAZA! Fatah! HAMAS!

Learn all you can, Republicans, because unelectable and stupid is no way to go through life.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

JH,

I am pretty sure some real con leadership will show up one day.

The gop candidates are not them.

RW,

Our troops are not criminals, they are the Iraqi police going door to door.

Their police does not even show up.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

“Learn all you can, Republicans, because unelectable and stupid is no way to go through life.”

Hey Pollydik, all you limpdiks on the diseased left can do is call your political opponents “stupid” as WD referenced in his first comment this morning

Craponlife:

“They were caught and locked up macaca.”

That that solved the effin’ problem, didn’t it Craponlife?

“Where [islamoterrorist pigs] the hell is OBL?”

Didn’t you see my LA Times link at 12:29 dingoballs?

Sheesh. Waste of time indeed.

Yeah SOME of we Americans actually work more than 40 hours a week. You idiot liberals b!tch about the wealthy and successful then b!tch when you have to work more than 38 hours a week. Blow me.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

“Our troops are not criminals”

Tell that to your diseased ilk from Turban Durbin left on down that thinks so, Craponlife. They are YOUR people. You own them. Pathetic.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Must of been your production report macaca.

That was quick.

Geez.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

I always new The Nation was filled with filthy neocommunist liberal garbage, but I can never pass up an opportunity to give a snapshot of that sewage.

Undocumented workers shouldn’t be fined; they should get a hefty bonus! All right, they committed a “crime”—the international equivalent of breaking and entry. But breaking and entry is usually a prelude to a much worse crime, like robbery or rape.

We don’t owe them a DAMN THING you filthy diseased liberal sellout communist. Well what the hell do you expect from a POS who only took the word of the rapist over the victim one time in her miserable life, and that was when it was Sick Willie.

Sick, sick, sick. That’s the modern jackass far loon left in full glory for all to see.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Its cheap labor macaca.

Insourcing, if you will.

You should take a look at how Mexico enforces its southern border.

Its not pretty but it works.

w is Mexico’s little wh-ore.

Geez.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

“No, no. You are the one with a problem. Do not be afraid of the terrorists, dear, they have families, too!”

Sick, sick, sick. That^^ is our modern diseased left.

Actually Craponlife, I finished the metrics report last night. I just had to wait for the west coast potheads to wake the hell up and give me access to their server since our local db server was toast.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Craponlife, how many non-Hispanics have you seen rebuilding the Gulf Coast? Is that because of “cheap labor” or is that because so many non-Hispanics are lazy pieces of trash who feel entitled to high pay for slackassed labor? I’ll take a Mexican to paint my home any day over some union goon who only works four hours at a time because his union says so.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

The folks rebuilt their own houses if they got insurance money.

The rest have cut and run.

By TW

June 16, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Markus - why don’t you paint your own home? Or maybe get your husband to do it?

By GodHatesTrash

June 16, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

It’ll be a crazy day tomorrow in redneck households all over Georgia and the red states.

Father’s Day.

Lots of luck to all of you rednecks tomorrow trying to unravel the mystery.

Trash.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

“Markus - why don’t you paint your own home? Or maybe get your husband to do it?”

“TW,” nobody paints brick dumb@ss. It was an example. Besides, if one has enough money, one always hires someone else for the grunt work. Since 8am this morning Conservatives have posted here and that’s^^ the only bone you have to pick? Pathetic. Really pathetic.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

“The folks rebuilt their own houses if they got insurance money.”

I surmise this is the next b!tchfest for diseased socialist liberal demoncats: Many homeowners and renters are uninsured and it’s up to US to pay for it.

Boo ‘effin hoo.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

For anyone who’s curious, THIS is the waste that God’s Liberal Trash is referring to on Father’s Day. I’d throw Edwards and Carville in on that redneck trash too.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Way to support your fellow Americans macaca.

Geez.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

A BRILLIANT blog comment on my link posted at 2:42 which refers to the Klan as Conservatives (Cons threw Duke out on his @ss, but that was never mentioned of course).

The Yahoo Associated P!ss link said:

“His political origins were certainly conservative, including a stint in the Ku Klux Klan”

I couldn’t have said this better:

As someone who lives by the Truth, I am astounded by how liberal minds form thoughts. The hatred they have for Conservatives blaming them for everything from a sunny day causing GlobAL Gore Warming to this nonsense about Bobby Byrd is just ridiculous.

How an editor can even allow such stupidity is beyond the realm of logical thought. These creatures believe the masses are this stupid to take everything they say as fact…….but then they led Americans around about Iraq and that worked, so maybe people are that stupid.

But to paint the KKK as Conservative when it is Conservatives like Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Hamiliton who created a REPUBLIC so minorities would be protected and it was a Conservative in Lincoln who kept that Republic together and ended slavery…….while it was KKK Democrats who were out lynching black people is a bit of factual history.

Bob Byrd and Democrats are the modern KKK in their mob rule democracy which has perverted the Republic of the United States. It is Bob Byrd and Democrats who “bought black people’s votes by sticking them on welfare and enslaving them for generations”. Now that is modern Democrats and these patrician Republicans trying to stack up a bunch of slave labor illegals to make money off of and buy their vote to turn the mob rule into a communist state where the masses all work for benefits while the elites like Teddy Kennedy drink cocktails in their compounds.

The Associated Press is a group of globalist liars. They hire terrorists, picture forgers and ilk like this writer who literally lies about history.

By TW

June 16, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Markus - What’s on this blog is Republican Swallows - not conservatives. Here’s you some free help…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgq0_OqYkx4

By Markus

June 16, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

“Way to support your fellow Americans macaca.”

Craponlife you say THAT and your pathetic self said the other day you wouldn’t invest in any company with ties to the US military? Who the hell do you think work in those companies? Just greedy CEOs?

What an idiot!

But, we already knew that.

It’s all a part of the disease of liberalism.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

“TW,” I’m a Conservative first. Read my 10:45am again, dumb@ss.

Now it’s your YouTube turn to watch. Dumb@ss.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64

By GodHatesTrash

June 16, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Macaca Markus, who did you vote for in 2004? Dumbya right?

I rest my case - racist trash votes GOP nowadays.

If you ever cracked a history book, you silly POS, you’d know that white racists like yourself abandoned the Democrats in droves during the 1960s because he Kennedys and Johnson were pushing civil rights legislation.

But I’m not surprised that a stupid grease monkey from Georgia never read a history book.

Bobby Byrd is a shifty redneck elected by the rednecks of West Virginia - an exception that helps prove the rule.

By GodHatesTrash

June 16, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

My bet (100 Bush dollars to donuts) is Mr. Wooten used to vote Democratic too - but now he shills for the GOP.

More proof that white racists vote GOP nowadays.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Mother Teresa successor tells the Shrillary to lose the Mother Teresa captions in her ads. Priceless.

“[She] wholly inappropriate, disrespectful and disturbing that Hillary Clinton shamelessly exploited Mother’s image as a political tool.”

Suprised? Her and her groper and rapist “husband” loved getting shots coming out of church holding a Bible.

Stupid is as stupid does. Fake accents depending on the region, the bullsh!t “let’s talk” ad (yeah lady, you REALLY give an F what mainstream America thinks), flopping around on Iraq like a beached flounder, yadda yadda yadda. No wonder she hates the Right. No Conservative Republican is dumb enough to buy into that crap.

The “War on Hillary.” LMAO.

Cowards.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

macaca,

She will be our next President.

Deal with it loser.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

God’s Trash, that’s your sick liberal made up world. You know it. The only hate comes from your pathetic ilk as so eloquently pointed out by WD this morning. One day your hate will be your downfall, whether it’s your health or some event of Karma. And I only could wish I’d be there to witness it.

Regarding history, why doesn’t your sickassed sub human diseased POS self acknowlege that AL Sore’s father voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 along with KKK Byrd?

You really are a sick pile of left wing sh!t that deserves everything that will come to you.

Mark my words you little rotten diseased liberal communist wannabe b!tch from hell.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

“Grease monkey.”

I guess that’s how the wonderful Democrat liberal party supports the “working class.”

LMAO. That^^ pu$$y couldn’t change his own oil for fear of breaking a nail or getting his nose stud stuck in the strut. Or, maybe his fat@ss just couldn’t fit under that liberal smoking pile of liberal beatersh!t.

I love it.

Don’t you all want to be just like God’s Trash and support him and his causes?

By getalife

June 16, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

You really are a sick pile of left wing sh!t that deserves everything that will come to you. Mark my words you little rotten diseased liberal communist wannabe b!tch from hell.

Hate is all you got macaca.

Pot to kettle.

Geez.

By GodHatesTrash

June 16, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

From POS Andie*>>{{{By GodHatesTrash June 11, 2006 03:34 PM My bet is there will always be plenty of haters here in Georgia. Racism, xenophobia, and homophobia are what passes for a religion for most folks here in the 13th state.}}}

White people are fair game at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, you may hear the liberals tell you that they don’t hate and they don’t discriminate, that is a load of crap.

Look at this filth godhatestrash whining about people hating while he hates, look at the nickname this modern day Ku Klux Klanner rides around the internet with.<<*

POS Andi/e you illiterate moron - where in my post is the word “white” or the words “white people”?

We had this discussion yesterday - you evidently strongly self-identify not only with rednecks, but with trash and white trash as well.

Well, I agree with you - you are a redneck, you are trash, and if you are white, you are indeed white trash. Too bad for you, and too bad for decent society.

Now stop whining, sister.

Do something about it - take a bath. Clean up your trailer. And stop having sex with barnyard animals.

Yes, you’ll still be trash, but you just won’t seem so obnoxious.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

“She will be our next President.”

Not with 50% saying they’d never vote for her, idiot.

Only on planet Gitmo.

By Markus

June 16, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Peace out Conservatives, I’m reluctantly going flying with some friends (IFR and going to be a bumpy ride.. yack). Yeah we’re going to burn up about 45 gallons of 100LL and ruin the environment. Maybe we can kill a bird or two on takeoff. Go ahead diseased liberals, wish us all to crash!

Sickos.

I’d really, REALLY hate to be a constantly b!tchin’, never happy miserable POS liberal demoncat like God’s Trash. What a waste of carbon shoes, or belt print, or radio carbon footprint, or some l!beral s** like that.

By Corky Cobb

June 16, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

“Peace out Conservatives, I’m reluctantly going flying “

Another words you are scared.

Coward.

By WootenDull

June 16, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Geez, is this guy real?

{{{By God’s Trash June 16, 2007 3:46 PM POS Andi/e you illiterate moron - where in my post is the word “white” or the words “white people”?}}}

Let me guess, there’s two God’s Trash? (hat tip Markus)

{{{By God’s Trash June 16, 2007 3:13 PM More proof that white racists vote GOP nowadays.}}}

{{{By God’s Trash June 16, 2007 3:05 PM If you ever cracked a history book, you silly POS, you’d know that white racists like yourself}}}

I know you better than you know yourself, dimwit.

Modern day Ku Klux Klanners like you take refuge in the democrat party because you know all of your hate will be forgiven if it’s aimed at the right people.

A few “prayers” of non discrimination, maybe a “confession” before the politically correct pinko® “altar” and off you ride, pointy hat wearing scumbag, off to set a cross alight in some poor white person’s yard.

If you are an equal opportunity hater, dic-kweed, than call it like it is Coward.

WTF is the difference other than your utter lack of courage?

Or are you sceered to?

Geez.

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By WootenDull

June 16, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

You POS thought your fellow Sunnis were kicking your as-s:

{{{He said the buildup of nearly 30,000 additional forces that has just been completed allowed him to launch the latest assault. The move, he said, is allowing him to send operations for the first time into “a number of areas around Baghdad, in particular to go into areas that were sanctuaries in the past of al-Qaida.”}}}

Wait till you meet the whole entire 3rd ID.

Dude.

It’s fixing to get rough.

For you Cowards.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By getalife

June 16, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Cafferty:”When there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, President Bush immediately seized on the idea of bringing freedom and democracy. How’s that workin’ out for you, Mr. President? The United States also pressured the Palestinians to hold elections.They elected Hamas, a terrorist organization. How’s that workin’ out for you, Mr. President? Hamas has now seized Gaza. The Abbas government has been dismantled and Hamas militants have been on a rampage, pillaging government institutions. It’s very unlikely they’ll be dipping their fingers in ink wells there, any time soon.”

Geez Jack,

You will get fired telling the truth.

By WootenDull

June 16, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 16, 2007 4:56 PM Cafferty:”When there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, President Bush immediately seized on the idea of bringing freedom and democracy.}}}

al-Gitmo: Maybe you a Cafferty missed what Bush said on day one-

{{{I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.}}}

Geez.

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By Schmuckodork

June 16, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Wootendull sure is brave with US troops lives.

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moron

By Schmuckodork

June 16, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Wootendull has been posting all f’n day just like yesterday, just like everyday. What a waste of space!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

moron say what?

moronsaywhat?

moronsezwhatdat?

bwa

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By Fat Fat

June 16, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

You know something? Schmuckodork is right! It IS easy to expose Wootendull as a moron. I mean he swings at everything. Him and his congenitally conjoined cheek spreads Dye Brainless and FitFat, (the puddytat), are totally useless wastes of air and space. They post all day long to each other and then make up aliases to respond to each other like retards in a stutterers-only spelling bee.

RETARDS!!!

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bwa

moronsaytwhat?

Moronsseztwought?

Moronssayswhat?

BWA!

By WootenDull

June 16, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

David Warren:

{{{I’m sure the great majority of nice “liberal” people in the West, who used to be anti-anti-communist, would have been appalled had Communists ever succeeded in mounting a revolution, rounding up all the erstwhile “useful idiots,” and shooting them. Their last words would have been: “Surely we can talk!”}}}

{{{Ditto, Palestinians on the ground in Gaza just now are probably appalled to see the Hamas gangs gunning down their former allies, while enforcing Islamist dress codes and behaviour even on people who were merely “radical chic.”}}}

But there you go. Really there is no alternative to becoming an adult, and making your alliances consistently with the less evil party, against the more evil party. The final reward for radical posturing being — well, take a good look at Gaza.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

Tell us how you really feel about me Polly.

Coward.

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