Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

June 11, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

I, too, am perplexed by the problem pertaining to illegal aliens posed precariously before the American people particularly at this point in the progress of the planet.

After much consideration, I suggest the following:

First, shut down the border. Whatever it takes; even if it requires finding Georgie Bush’s old National Guard unit lost in Alabama to do it, seal that southern sucker from the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of California.

Machine gun, without quarter…old man or maiden, young man or him who stoops for age… anything… that crosses illegally.

Second, grant anyone who is now within the United States illegally “provisional amnesty”. Under my scheme, they may remain, BUT they may NEVER become American citizens. They may work, pay taxes, their children may go to school, they may receive all of the services of government, EXCEPT, they may NOT receive any benefits under Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or state welfare programs. Their FICA contributions shall constitute a perpetual fine for their illegal status. Their children, upon graduation from high school, and completing the normal naturalization process shall be eligible to become American citizens.

After 2009, any employer found to be employing an illegal not granted “provisional amnesty” should be fined $100,000.00 per illegal on the first offense. Upon the second offense, all properties of said employer should be forfeited to the government.

Is any of this going to happen?

Certainly not!

We, the American people, don’t have the guts to protect ourselves. We want our cake and to be able to eat it too.

Consequently we will continue to elect incompetents like George W. Bush and Edward Kennedy and wonder what in the hell is happening to the country.

By Dave

June 11, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Really what could fix all this is if Bush actually increased enforcement. We do not need another law for that.

We need a national tamper-proof biometric ID with fingerprint, cornea, and DNA. No more stolen identity, no more illegal aliens.

Keep sending our senators e-mails, it worked this time. Its easy to fix all this, but what baffles me is why the politicians are saying its so hard. Look to see who’s hand is in their pocket. Saxby and Johnny both gave in on the last vote, but we cannot trust them not to sell us out.

Replace them!!

By jbmlaw

June 11, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. In a related newspaper column yesterday, Jim suggested, “This is an emotional issue.” When thinking politically, I normally attribute emotionality with our leftist friends; “immigration” may suggest that conservatives are not immune from visceral judgment. From the cool William F. Buckley to the vociferous Chairman Ann to the arch-cerebral Tom Sowell, we have a large swath of intelligent conservatives opposed to my “open borders” view (which, of course, I would celebrate as the “non-emotional” perspective.)

Smart comments notwithstanding, I think all would agree that a substantial revision of immigration laws would be, at minimum, a good idea. I wrote, a couple of weeks ago, that the worst thing we could do is pass a bill, any bill, in haste. To avoid the sort of permanent rift we see in “abortion,” we need a long period for national debate and discussion. Examples: I do not believe Mexicans present a meaningful threat to national security, but I do acknowledge that I think it could be useful for our security managers to know who is here. I believe in the desirability of a common language among residents – so we can discuss our differences, as necessary, and English is the obvious choice.

Our friend in opposition, Southern Democrat, has indicated affection for a North American economic union, to compare to the European Economic Community. I can conceive of nothing wrong with that idea. I strongly favor work permits, for Mexicans only, with no limits on numbers and no limits on duration. I think the individual states ought to issue special driver permits to facilitate the economic contributions of immigrants – the last thing we want would be artificial limitations on their productivity. (Actually I would favor abolishing driver permits entirely, but I don’t want to veer so far off course.)

Most of the arguments against meaningful immigration reform turn on such mundane matters as traffic laws and welfare programs. I think we have many stupid elements in our traffic laws, e.g., mandatory insurance. I would revise our laws, eliminating tort liability in traffic accidents between vehicles, and making insurance optional – if you want coverage by your own company you may buy it, or you forego at your own risk. In such a world, nobody cares whether Mexicans have insurance. We can make similar arguments on our welfare laws. The fact that we have stupid traffic laws and stupid welfare laws, along with our stupid immigration laws, does not mean all should be immune from change; three wrongs do not make a right. We need to embrace this opportunity to eliminate a whole range of unnecessary restrictions in our lives.

By jbmlaw

June 11, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Through the magic of the delete key, I committed the grammar error at 8:16. I know one attributes “to” not “with”. Apologies to all.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

I’m surprised!! Just dog gone SURPRISED that a man as “open minded” and “fair and balanced” as Wooten, who’s always concerned about “poor innocents falsely accused of rape” (like the Duke Boys), and who devoted two* WHOLE COLUMNS to the Duke Boy’s “persecution”, has failed to mention GENERALOW WILSON one time in all his “columns”!! Could it be that Mr. Wooten is “class blind”? I mean Genarlow comes from a working class family, (unlike the uber rich dukies), and a single parent home. hmmmm I bet Mr. Wooten doesn’t even CARE what happens to the poor in this country’s justice system does he? He only cares about rich republicans like Scooter Libby.

Poor, poor Mr. Wooten; your rich entitlement syndrome is showing. If there’s any justice in the world, when your old dried up self has to go to a nursing home, (soon hopefully), there’ll be a barely over minimum wage, overworked, frustrated, mad as hell LPN who’ll leave you in your sh#tty diapers for hours on end. That’ll be your poetic justice — since you love to sh#t on the poor so much, you can wallow in it in your declining years.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

By RCH June 11, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this — Debbie I agree the Wilson case deserves a second look: however at the time of the crime the the sentencing is correct. The BIG difference between the Wilson case and the Duke players is that they were innocent, or did you forget that.

Injustice is injustice RCH, or did you conveinently forget that?

By Redneck Convert

June 11, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess these Mexicans won’t stop till they take over my beer truck and I have to mow yards for a living. Its just a shame nobody wants to round them all up and ship them back over the border. If all us rednecks got together with our pickups we could probly handle the job in 2 or 3 days. I figure there’s about 30 million pickups owned by us rednecks and most of them have a big “G” on the back window so each of us could take just one illegal and be done with it. My illegal would have to ride in the bed of my truck. I don’t want them messing up the nice back seat I got in my pickup. And we would do it for free so it don’t cost the U.S. nothing. I don’t know why people keep saying it can’t be done.

Once we got them back over the border we need to line up every spare machine gun about 20 yards apart all across the border so more of the illegals don’t get in. And just blast away if somebody tryed to get back across. I know this RCH guy would go with my solution.

I don’t know why the libruls keep picking on a good man like Gonzales. Other than being Mexican he is a good man. He knows which laws he needs to obey and which ones he can kind of bend a little or forget about. Besides, he knows how to get rid of libruls that won’t go for the death penalty or root out Democrat voting cheats. I don’t mind if he reads my mail or listens to my phone calls. My mail ain’t nothing but bills and ads anyway and the only phone calls I make are to people like Joe Bill or Jim Earl. So if he wants to hear us talk about NASCAR and such he can just go right ahead.

I guess Sister Dusty must of died. I ain’t seen nothing wrote by her in days and days. She wasn’t down at the Church of Holiness Sunday. So I guess she just cut ‘n run right up to heaven. She was probly buried in her sweat shirt. But I do see jbmlaw is crazed again, wanting to get rid of borders and just let the Mexicans live where they want to live and work where they want to work. It just goes to show you can go to colledge for years and years and still not get any sense.

Well, the Baptists done drunk up most of the beer I gave the bars so I got to get at it today. I’ll check in from time to time to see weather somebody has figured out the solution to the illegals problem.

By crackpipe is a deranged racebaiter

June 11, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA …

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA …

The sullen ebonics spouting racebaiter crackpipedebbieturd has hilariously and very predicktably LOST IT.

That unhinged hateful bile was beyond freaking funny crackpipe … come on honeybunch petalkins - puke up some more of that … I’m still LMFAO!!!

Now its shamefully whining endlessly about a sexual assault case of no real consequence or any importance. Shilling for a nasty thuggish black sexual predator just because he’s black. This crackpipe slapper is as vile as it gets!!!

Its deranged, hysterical, visceral abuse of Senor Wooten is despicable and shows just how desperate crackpipedebbieturd is getting in its rants. Talking of “dried up” - this is the unending familial theme of the whoralicious crackpipebitch - this slapper is all of that and more.

Back to work crackpipe - there’s always new tricks to turn and learn … gedditt???

BTW - wittily mirroring back its faeces laden theme - if crackpipe had a sh!t there’d be NOTHING LEFT!!!

By getalife

June 11, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Well, you got one right.

“T” is not dead.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

The Sopranos proffered a truly pathetic ending. AJ the spoiled nutty whining Bush hater needed to die. Meadow the spoiled racebaiting self absorbed brat needed to die, although she was the least vile of the family. The frumpish money grubbing haggish whiner Carmela neded to die and so did her Klinton/Kennedy like murderous venal heffalump hubbie ‘T’. Watching them getting wasted in a hail of righteous bullets whilst Don Henley’s My Thanksgiving played would have been a more than fitting ending.

If nothing else The Sopranos gave us a superb insight into the quintessential liberal mindset. Of how the old 60’s narcissistic mantra “if it feels right do it” melds with sociopathic moral relativism with NO legal/judicial consequences EVER!!! Very Klintonian in that it was funny (peculiar) how the cops never ever appeared or actually investigated any crimes/murders etc. Just the ever vague threat of a looming FBI investigation maybe perhaps perpetrating an actually richly deserved Scooter Libby like legal lynching one day.

Given the non existent “ending” its entirely possible we either get ripped off once more and have to buy the “final” dvd set to see the “real ending” or these grasping HBO bastards are going to milk one more huge payday for all its worth with a Sopranos film. Hopefully these worthless human scum will fade into the annals of TV history and just end up being a very soft option for violence loving liberal college professors to orgasmically wax lyrical over in film and media studies courses.

By Van

June 11, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

While I like the ideas of Mid-South Philosopher at 8:11, I think they go too far for the initial steps for an immigration reform.

1) Seal the borders to illegals. 2) Punish Sanctuary Cities 3) If Arrested, you status is checked and you will be deported if you are not here with legal papers.

Once this is done, then the “peaceful law breakers” could get there work visa and no path to citizenship. As a punishment, they will be banned from applying.

Also, a reassessment of what the 14th amendment says would also be called for. Please we need a ruling on what “…subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” means legally.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

“Don’t try to round up 12 million people. Nobody envisions that. Over time, the illegals would take steps to make themselves legal — or they’d return to their home countries.”

Does JW not understand or is he intentionally misleading in his statement? Without a change to the law as it exists today it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone that arrived in this country illegally to become a legal resident. And yes, there are many that are packing up and going south at this very moment. They are too through with working their butts off and then getting it kicked by bigoted rednecks that feel that they are entitled to $20.00 an hour to do a job that requires nothing of them but to show up late, leave early and work occasionally.

By melo

June 11, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

When thinking politically, I normally attribute emotionality with our leftist friends; “immigration” may suggest that conservatives are not immune from visceral judgment.

Whoever this was quoted from(Jim Wooden, i believe) obviously has a bloated/deranded sense of self worth based on the emails in their inbox, from like minded Redneckers.

Could it be that Mr. Wooten is “class blind”?NO,just an anarchronism of our time.A left over of those species that teargassed protesting blacks. Debbie,It(wooten) will go away, dont worry.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

And yes, there are many that are packing up and going south at this very momentThey are too through with working their butts off and then getting it kicked by bigoted rednecks that feel that they are entitled to $20.00 an hour to do a job that requires nothing of them but to show up late, leave early and work occasionally.

cheers for that heebeedeegee … you have cheered me up immensely. do let us know exactly how many are slithering back south - clearly its NOWHERE near enough though.

ANY CHANCE OF YOU JOINING THEM today, right now, in an empty gesture of (presumably) mindless racial solidarity??!!!

love your sneering hypocritical bigotry loveykins. a freaking classic that!!!

By Van

June 11, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

I can only assume that you would be okay with your underage daughter having sex in a school bathroom. As a father, I can not imagine thinking that is pardonable behavior.

Is 15 really adult enough to make that kind of decision. What does it say about Wilson, that he would think that this is appropriate actions. To him sex is just another bathroom activity.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

snigger smirk snigger

now waterMELOnhead joins in the typical despicable black racebaiting … maybe you and crackpipe should get a room for an hour!!! OOOPS TOO LATE … see ya in court for pandering (gedditt??)

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Good morning all,

It is unfortunate that JW has opted, for whatever reason, to not discuss the Genarlow Wilson case.

It would have made an interesting discussion on any number of issues:

ex post facto (after the fact) laws (which will be a HUGE issue in a terrorism-obsessed country going forward),

“selective” jurisprudence (comparing the fates of Duke students to Wilson to Libby, etc. (as Jim thinks some great wrong has been committed by the conviction and sentencing of him),

as well as the the old warhorses of class and race in America.

Instead, we’re subjected to yet another round of tirades on immigration, a subject Jim has covered in at least six of his last ten articles/blogposts.

With all due respect Jim, everyone (including yourself) interested in this blog has had ample opportunity to weigh in on the subject.

Jim, you have been known for starting a new topic in the middle of the day. Why don’t you “think right” a bit, and discuss the subject that the AJC deems important enough to treat as it’s lead story?

Here’s to praying for miracles….

By Si Se Puede

June 11, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Van, you are truly delusional. You asked for it now you’ll get it. You redneck imbeciles just let the best immigration deal you would have ever gotten pass you by. Just wait till the Dems solidify their hold on the senate and congress and take the White House. You are going to get an immigration bill that you will absolutely hate. You will learn a hard lesson with regard to being careful what you ask for. It’s war now Van. Winner take all. And you racist, redneck, nativist can kiss your butts goodbye.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Another great photo of TFTT in his unmentionables…… if you have the stomach for it, enjoy!!

http://www.wayodd.com/look-out-below/v/4737/

By RCH

June 11, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Debbiedo right At the time there was no injustice. It was the law.The Duke three were innocent of any law on the books at the time if the indictment. The injustice in their case is that Mike Nyohong and the supposed victim are not in jail or in a mental institution.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight, I can only assume that you would be okay with your underage daughter having sex in a school bathroom. As a father, I can not imagine thinking that is pardonable behavior.

Van, I don’t have children of my own; however i am a stepmother to a teenage boy and if there’s one thing I’ve learned since becoming the step is that there are plenty of activities that your child will do without your permission, consent, or knowledge. Also, I think you are confusing the Wilson case with another more recent case in Georgia.

Is 15 really adult enough to make that kind of decision.

Is SEVENTEEN?

What does it say about Wilson, that he would think that this is appropriate actions.

Van, quick, think back to when YOU were seventeen. I don’t know you, but I’d LOVE to meet someone who did when you were that age. Would you still be able to cast stones if some of your adventures were known to all? Or would you, like any sensible adult, see that this whole issue/trial is a farce and makes Georgia looks like a back water, hee haw state, bent on vengeance and not justice?

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

the whoralicious crackpipedebbiebitch is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to wind up!!!

LMFAO!!!

surely you can find a thousand more pictures to just utterly eviscerate me with on a blog love? DON’T STOP … U is such fab fun to goad!!!

So when will you be apologising to Senor Wooten for your horrid beastly deranged unhinged sewage themed rant? After you’ve presumably given this black sexual predator a “legal” Blewinsky in jail?

By Southern Democrat

June 11, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

The funny thing, of course, is the grassroots “movement” that defeated this bill has merely decided not to decide, much like Puerto Rico’s election a few years back.

To qualify my friend Jbmlaw’s depiction, I am in favor of a strenghtening of NAFTA whereby the U.S. is able to take advantage of a ready source of skilled and unskilled labor from our friends to the South, while using the resources from our friends to the North. It benefits everyone and allows us to make goods more cheaply, maintaining our competitive advantage over Europe.

It is difficult to have a non-emotional debate on the immigration issue. I once went on a whitewater rafting trip through Big Bend National Park near Lajitas, Texas and we would periodically camp on the Southern side of the Rio Grande. Underneath the stars, I thought about all the people who would pay an obscene amount of money and risk their lives to be able to cross the river freely like I would do the next day…

Immigration has always, always, always made our country better. If you think that immigrants are affecting your quality of life, you are absolutely right, they are making it much, much better.

Where is this huge cost of immigration? People throw around numbers, but they are meaningless. I hear about how educating illegal immigrants is a huge burden. How do you figure? Do they not (in most cases) pay rent to a landlord who pays property taxes (at a higher rate than your home) which are the largest source of income for schools. We are at virtually full employment in the non-skilled sector of the economy, so immigrants are not “taking jobs” from anyone.

Unless conservatives can remove the racism, ahem, excuse me, “emotion” from their stance on this issue, they will help ensure a Democratic majority for years to come.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Jim, you have been known for starting a new topic in the middle of the day. Why don’t you “think right” a bit, and discuss the subject that the AJC deems important enough to treat as it’s lead story?

I think Jim’s days as the “Thinking Right” columnist are numbered anyway. The Panda Blog gets more comments per day than this blog all week.

By Si Se Puede

June 11, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

That’s a good question rarringt, but I think I have the answer. There is no doubt that Jim loves to incite his woo-ten klanners, but right now it is by far safer to pick on immigrants than it is to unleash his klan following on an issue involving an African American. Those things seem to be costing guys like Wooten their livlihoods these days. So like a typical conservative coward, Jim is naturally taking the path of least resistance. But if you notice rarringt, there are those here among us that are trying very very hard to get something going in that regard by contunuing to attempt to incite with the Duke Lacrasse case.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

YABBADABBBADOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Ga. Supreme Court rejects challenge to voter ID law

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2007/06/11/0611metvoterid.html

NO more illegals and illegal voting in GA. No more corrupt elections, no more minority cheating at the ballot box!!! Now we can all trust election results in and around metro Atlanta!!

THIS IS A TRULY GLORIOUS DAY IN GA!!!!

By deegee

June 11, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Van, Gennarlo was underage as well when the act was committed. It wasn’t rape and the courts acqutted him of that charge. It appears that the only point of contention now is whether he should spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender after he is released. If so, then I would say that anyone that ever fogged up the windows doing the humpty bump in the back seat of their old man’s car is a sex offender.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Debbiedo right At the time there was no injustice. It was the law.The Duke three were innocent of any law on the books at the time if the indictment. The injustice in their case is that Mike Nyohong and the supposed victim are not in jail or in a mental institution.

RCH you are rewriting history again. The Dukies were indicted by an overzealous prosecutor trying to make his “name”. The same thing has happened in Douglas county; the only difference is that this boy was convicted. This same prosecutor gave a 37 year old woman who seduced, became pregnant and MARRIED a 15 year old boy a recommendation for PROBATION. Only when she broke probation was she sentenced to jail and only for eighteen months!!! Where is the justice in that?

By RCH

June 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat Why must this bill always be about race. If 10 million whites from the ex-Soviet Union and satellite countries came over illegally in mass, I am sure you would hear the same outcry.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

There is no doubt that Jim loves to incite his woo-ten klanners, but right now it is by far safer to pick on immigrants than it is to unleash his klan following on an issue involving an African American. Those things seem to be costing guys like Wooten their livlihoods these days. So like a typical conservative coward, Jim is naturally taking the path of least resistance. But if you notice rarringt, there are those here among us that are trying very very hard to get something going in that regard by contunuing to attempt to incite with the Duke Lacrasse case.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA … wait - gotta larrrffff some more … HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

that was pure magic … come on puke up some of this … LMFAO!!!

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

TFTT Made ya look!!! You’re too easy!!!

Here’s another GREAT picture of you!! You’ve finally managed to kiss your own butt!! Now if you can just learn to kick it!!

http://www.wayodd.com/do-the-twist/v/4980/

By getalife

June 11, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

“The 33 votes to shut off debate were 27 short of the 60 needed by Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada to bring to a conclusion debate on legislation to grant legal status to 12 million undocumented aliens. He said he would seek another vote later today.

Reid appealed to Bush to twist the arms of Republicans who voted against limiting debate, saying an inability to pass the legislation would produce headlines that the “president fails again.”

This is the president's bill. He has worked long and hard,'' Reid said.This bill that’s on the floor is not a Democratic bill, it is a bill that was worked on by Democrats and Republicans in cooperation with the president”

Lame duck w. Start with securing the border, then start the debate on illegal immigration amnesty.

Its deader than wooten’s brain.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight, 8:35

Why the “soapbox” against Jim Wooten this morning? He was neither the judge, jury or prosecutor in the Wilson case. But you have decided to be all of those against Wooten because he did not mention your favorite cause of the moment. (Cynthia Tucker editorialized that case yesterday.)

You declare injustice. Do you declare the innocence of young girls not worth defending, even if they do not know any better? Have you seen the video of the party which shocked even grown men? Do you excuse any sexual activity of high school age students as OK? Does a show of intelligence demand greater leniency in the law? You seem to ignore all of these questions.

The result of a review of this case will be announced today. Perhaps Wilson will be free as he so desires, just like every other person in jail.

Your second paragraph at 8:35 was an ugly playground taunt, not anything written by a “thinking” adult. Just a sorry display of lost control.

By jbmlaw

June 11, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Dear Melo @ 9:56, you offer an emotional response to my admittedly unfair and provocative comment. (Admission is in the first sentence of the second paragraph.)

Dear Southern @ 10:27, your distinction is reasonable; you may justifiably accuse me of being more “liberal” than you on this one. I wish I could have written your Freudian slip, but I think I would have inflamed my friends unnecessarily. I try to selectively inflame. Well done, nevertheless.

By getalife

June 11, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

“Bush: Immigration bill will work”

As well as everything else they touch.

Crap.

By Southern Democrat

June 11, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

RCH,

You’ve proved my point. That DID happen (though not in those numbers) and my ancestors, the Irish, DID come over in large numbers, most of them without any ability to sustain themselves. They were allowed to (eventually) integrate into society, but people continually talk about “illegals” when they mean “Africans and Latinos.”

By RCH

June 11, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Debbie doRight He was convicted because he was guilty of breaking the law on the books at that time. As to the woman having sex with the underage boy, she should have been sent to jail. As you have probably seen their is a biased when it comes to male vs. female sentences for statutory rape. Recently there has been a rash of female teachers who received no jail time for sex with underage boys but if the roles had been reversed a man would be incarcerated. Where is the justice in that?

By jbmlaw

June 11, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Dear Getalife @ 10:40, there is a good essay op-ed in WSJ today, takes a difference perspective of the blame-throwing. (WSJ favors liberal immigration laws.) Sorry, no link online.

By Curious Observer

June 11, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

I’m having a difficult time understanding why the IRS is able to determine that a taxpayer has failed to include a $20 dividend payment in his tax return, and yet authorities cannot determine whether the fact that 20 people are submitting Social Security withholdings on the same Social Security number is indicative of fraud.

I think the truth is that the authorities do not want to know whether an illegal immigrant is in the work force. Our enforcement methods are so crude that literally thousands of foreigners on legitimate visas enter our country on vacation and disappear, never to leave.

If you want to seal the borders, forget about a fence. As one legislator remarked, “Show me a 50-foot fence and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.” Only the stupid believe that a multi-billion dollar fence will have any deterrent effect on illegal immigration. The only way to stop the practice of employing illegal immigrants is to have a nationwide database, complete with biometrics, that all employers must use, with severe penalties for failing to do so.

If the jobs dry up, the illegals will either leave or turn themselves in. And please don’t give me this line about “jobs Americans won’t do.” In a normal economy, wages will rise to attract workers to the less-pleasant jobs. But if employers are permitted to employ illegals or to import workers legally as a means of paying rock-bottom wages, economic forces are effectively circumvented, to the detriment of all wages and the standard of living. The standard line of the apologists for the status quo is the rant about “rednecks wanting $20 per hour.” The truth is that these apologists don’t want any change in the current immigration mess, except for an inexhaustible supply of cheap labor.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

TFTT: This one’s self explanatory!!

http://www.wayodd.com/head-up-your-a*/v/4735/

By getalife

June 11, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Well fakelaw,

I am conservative on immigration.

Control the border first.

Problem is, free trade needs open borders.

Open borders is no national security.

Money will win over keeping you safe.

So when they spew they are strong on national security, it is pure bs.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

@ whoralicious crackpipe

the only thing you kind of “made me do” was snigger then smirk then snigger again … sorry to dissapoint your sullen racebaiting ebonics spouting lard arsed self, but I do NOT bother with your puerile wittle pictures. But please do keep on posting them crackpipe … knowing you’re this easily wound up is ever so slightly pleasing.

By GodHatesTrash

June 11, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Debbie, I would wager one hundred Bush dollars to donuts that Mr. Van’s teenage gropings involved livestock.

However repugnant that sounds, it is impossible to get a barnyard animal to testify in court, hence Mr. Van’s strategery is a sound one to remain out of jail.

Besides that, bestiality is just a misdemeanor in Georgia.

Trash.

By round up all illegal leeches now

June 11, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

I would wager one hundred Bush dollars to donuts that Mr. Van’s teenage gropings involved livestock.

so godpleasekillthis trash is saying that Van has actually met trash’s immediate maternal side of the family!!!

this is such an obvious pathetic LIE even a Klinton wouldn’t try it!!!

By GodHatesTrash

June 11, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Debbie, I would wager one hundred Bush dollars to donuts that Mr. Van’s teenage gropings involved livestock.

However repugnant that sounds, it is impossible to get a barnyard animal to testify in court, hence Mr. Van’s strategery is a sound one to remain out of jail.

Besides that, bestiality is just a misdemeanor in Georgia.

Trash.

By Dan Gates

June 11, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

You are 100% wrong Curious Observer. Right now in Colorado and California, entire crops are being lost because of a shortage of immigrant labor and the fact that Americans will not do that work at any price. When the mill in South Georgia was raided and Americans replaced immigrants at a higher wage, guess what happened. The Americans quit in droves within weeks. Furthermore Curious Observer, where is the outrage at the constant thirst for ever more H1B visas that DO deprive skilled Americans of well paying jobs. It amazes me that hardly any objection at all is ever heard over this obvious erosion in the pay scale of educatede American computer professionals when these H1Bs come in here and drag wages down by 30 to 40%. And before you even start with the argument that they are being paid the prevailing wage for these jobs, they aren’t. They are the very factor that is allowing business to set a much lower prevailing wage. Prior to the proliferation of H1Bs, a computer professional was able to pretty much set his own wage. The competition for these people was fierce. So guess what. Not wanting to pay market driven wages, business goes to the well for more and more H1B visas. This is the true threat to the American middle class. Not the vegetable and fruit pickers that will do jobs that no American wants to touch. Just the fact that not one of the rabid antis on this blog has even uttered the term H1B tells me that they have some other agenda.

By Van

June 11, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

I was of the day when birth control was called a condom - period. In high school that kind of behavior was not allowed and the only thing that went on in the bathrooms was smoking - maybe.

For physical activities, we took it away from the school, the back seat of cars was popular and the homes of kids with both parents at work. Most young girls feared getting pregnant and usually said no. It is a different world today, most young teens, just can’t say no. But do we condone this behavior, or do we let the inmates run things.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight, 8:35 Why the “soapbox” against Jim Wooten this morning? He was neither the judge, jury or prosecutor in the Wilson case.

Neither was he all of those things on the Duke NOR the Libby cases but SURPRISE!! He mentioned those cases TWICE, (Libby three times), in his blogs.

You declare injustice. Do you declare the innocence of young girls not worth defending, even if they do not know any better?

Any 15 year old who stays out all night and gives BJs to five boys at a time doesn’t seem too “innocent” to me. Perhaps that’s just my interpretation however; innocent to you could mean, BJ’s for all, who knows?

Have you seen the video of the party which shocked even grown men?

PLEASE. Sex NEVER shocks men. Try again.

Do you excuse any sexual activity of high school age students as OK?

If its consentual YES. What do you want to do Dusty? Put the girls in chastity belts and the boys in stockades? (However, if the girls are in chastity belts some of the more adventurous can STILL give BJs to their friends)

Does a show of intelligence demand greater leniency in the law? You seem to ignore all of these questions.

You seem to be making excuses for a badly written law and an injustice that still prevails.

Oh and you SURE are quick to defend Wooten all the time. Are you sure you two don’t know each other in a “friendly” sort of way?

By GodHatesTrash

June 11, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Immigration fraud - tftt tranny meets a street prostitute on a visit from England, and pays her to marry him.

Deport this trash now.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

* Southern Democrat* If history serves me correct, the Irish were also looked down upon. However, you conveniently forgot to mention that they came to this country legally. Many were detained at Ellis Island and returned back to Ireland. You also failed to mention many white, and Asian illegals that come here. Illegal has no colour, only the term criminal attached to it.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Debbie doRight He was convicted because he was guilty of breaking the law on the books at that time. As to the woman having sex with the underage boy, she should have been sent to jail. As you have probably seen their is a biased when it comes to male vs. female sentences for statutory rape. Recently there has been a rash of female teachers who received no jail time for sex with underage boys but if the roles had been reversed a man would be incarcerated. Where is the justice in that?

By jove I think you’ve got it!! EXACTLY my point RCH!!! The laws are asinine, poorly written, and not enforced equitably!!! That’s called INJUSTICE!!!

By Van

June 11, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

GodHatesTrash,

Was that your mama?? You did evolve from livestock right?

By Greg

June 11, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

By RCH

June 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat Why must this bill always be about race. If 10 million whites from the ex-Soviet Union and satellite countries came over illegally in mass, I am sure you would hear the same outcry.

BS RCH! If they were all white you wouldn’t even know they were here.

By JK

June 11, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Van discussing birth control gives me a case of the “Ewwwww!”s. As for his assertion that he knows what teenagers think and do, I respectfully request that he doesn’t know my kids nor any of their friends, nor what they think or do, nor anything about them, so please stop talking trash about people you don’t even know (or repeating trash spewed by others who don’t know them either). Thanks.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

An inexhaustible supply of cheap labor is absolutely not the motivation behind my support of immigration reform. There is no doubt that the 18-54 demographic in this country is inadequate to handle job growth now and in the future. I am opposed to the unofficial policy of the US to allow undocumented workers to come here and fill the labor gap and then treat them and their employers like criminals. With the exception of the great depression and the recession /depression of the mid seventies and early eighties when the baby boomers were coming of age, immigrants have always done the unskilled and semi-skilled work that Americans didn’t want to do. Those apologists for the status quo that have adopted “Amnesty” as their battle cry are pining for the good old days pre-internet and virtual highway, where competition from emerging foreign markets was something that they never had to worry about. We are in an age of globalization that is shaping the world and accelerating in a way that is leaving the nativists in the dust.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,I was of the day when birth control was called a condom - period. In high school that kind of behavior was not allowed and the only thing that went on in the bathrooms was smoking - maybe.

As I’ve said before, you’re confusing the G. Wilson case with the Marcus Dixon case, two totally different cases.

For physical activities, we took it away from the school, the back seat of cars was popular and the homes of kids with both parents at work. Most young girls feared getting pregnant and usually said no.

Wilson was convicted because the young lady gave HIM oral sex, no the other way around. Everyone, including the girl and the prosecution, agreed she initiated the act. But because of an archaic Georgia law, it was a misdemeanor for teenagers less than three years apart to have sexual intercourse, but a felony for the same kids to have oral sex. THIS IS travesty in the law that should’ve been plugged YEARS ago; now this travesty is going to ruin a young’s man’s life.

It is a different world today, most young teens, just can’t say no. But do we condone this behavior, or do we let the inmates run things.

Like I said to Dusty, what do you want to do? Put them all in chastity belts?

By RCH

June 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Greg See my discussions with Southern Democrat. Thought our history, different nationalities were considered the low man on the totem pole including Irish, Italians, and Germans. They all look very white to me.

By WhistleBlower

June 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Folks, RCH is the biggest fraud on this blog. By his own admission he is in a profession that imports H1Bs in mass. Not one peep out of him about H1Bs. Yet he spends most of his days bashing low wage immigrants. People WAKE UP! Guys like RCH sanctimoniously bashes low skilled immigrants while reaping the benfit of H1B labor that deprives well educated, skilled, American professions of the wages that they were formerly able to demand before the proliferation of H1B visa. COME ON PEOPLE! Guys like RCH wage war on the American middle class every single day. The guy is a monumental fraud. RCH is either a shill for the business interests that are as we speak begging the congress and senate for more and more H1Bs, or he is truly nothing more than a convenient forum to voice his racism. Either way he is a fraud. I am surprised that no one has called him out on the H1Bs before now.

By puff daddy

June 11, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

wait a minute,you watch shows like the Soparanos,the Godfather,Scarface,Goodfellows,etc. But don’t like Gangsta rap?whats the difference?they both glorify crime,violence,drug dealing,disrespect women,vulgar language etc.

By st24

June 11, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

-Poor, poor Mr. Wooten; your rich entitlement syndrome is showing. If there’s any justice in the world, when your old dried up self has to go to a nursing home, (soon hopefully), there’ll be a barely over minimum wage, overworked, frustrated, mad as hell LPN who’ll leave you in your sh#tty diapers for hours on end. That’ll be your poetic justice — since you love to sh#t on the poor so much, you can wallow in it in your declining years.-

Is Debbie a reflection of all hate and venom in the wingnut Dem party or is she just a mouthpiece? I don’t quite think I’ve read so much hate before. I would definitely not want to wallow in that kind of hatred. There are sex toys out there to relieve pent up sexual frustrations. Debbie needs one. What a white hating racist bigoted Beeyatch.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

What is this? Rotten rules?

GHTrash now gets into beastiality because he doesn’t like someone’s post. Were some of you raised in a barnyard? Morality seems to be a thing of the past. The lack of it still smells.

rarringt,10:12 Now you have joined the “lost cause” crowd, you just got a little more elite than DebbieDoLittle and GHT.

Do you know your stance is just as predictable as theirs? That race is more important than any other question in a debate, legal or otherwise?

I presume you are supposed to be some kind of scholar. Why don’t you show us the “just the facts” attitude that goes with fairness and impartiality?

The Wilson case is hardly a national issue. Immigration is. Perhaps that is why Wooten speaks of it more often.

By @@

June 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Well I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this immigration “reform” (cough) bill is the “refried beans” left on our plate by the “big over-stuffed enchilada”, Tipsy Ted Kennedy.

Blame “astounds” considering all the administrations, from Johnson through Bush who have blindfolded themselves to this “bursting pinata”.

Lest we forget “democracy is NOT a spectator sport”, and we ALL left our seats at America’s stadium to get a Corona with a lemon squeeze. Well we’re back in attendance now with a sour taste in our mouths on the immigration debacle.

The late Sonny Bono wasn’t “TOO DUMB” when he spoke on illegal immigration saying; “What’s to debate; it’s illegal.”

The federal government is in business to collect taxes and protect this country’s borders from enemies both foreign and domestic. Is it any wonder they’ve become inept at doing anything efficiently?

With liberals pushing ALL responsibilities up to the federal level, the American people are “bound” to be eating “bean burritos” when we could be enjoying “beef”. We need to push ourselves away from the government buffet table.

Life’s a gas ain’t it?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

“…strikes me as a public service—it is exemplary: It sends the message, as Gilmore suggests, that even rich twits can’t avoid the law.

Scooter Libby? Not so much:

I have a different feeling about Libby. His “perjury”—not telling the truth about which reporters he talked to—would never be considered significant enough to reach trial, much less sentencing, much less time in stir if he weren’t Dick Cheney’s hatchet man. […]

But jail time? Do we really want to spend our tax dollars keeping Scooter Libby behind bars? I don’t think so”

The wingnut mind set.

Soft on crime except for Paris.

Geez.

By Charlie Frank

June 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

By RCH

June 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Greg See my discussions with Southern Democrat. Thought our history, different nationalities were considered the low man on the totem pole including Irish, Italians, and Germans. They all look very white to me.

RCH, stop with the smoke and mirrors please. Your above comment makes no sense whatsoever. You constantly try to smokescreen your racism with statements like, “If 10 million whites from the ex-Soviet Union and satellite countries came over illegally in mass, I am sure you would hear the same outcry”. You did say that? RCH if they were white and never opened their mouths it would be a non-issue. Period.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

TFTT’s favorite doll….

http://www.wayodd.com/transgender-barbie/v/4438/

By RCH

June 11, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Whistleblower I didn’t know 65,000 was in mass. Besides, they can only fill jobs for which no American is available. Secondly, they can only reside in the U.S.for 6 yrs. and then must return home. As more Americans become qualified for these jobs the H1B worker is phased out. Meanwhile this allows American firms to keep a competitive edge in the global market.

By Sara

June 11, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

So RCH, you support H1Bs that suck professional wages down a black hole, but wage all out war on field hands on a daily basis. What gives with that? Just what is your true agenda RCH? And no trying to baffle us with your normal BS how about it. Hold the smoke. Hold the mirrors.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Do you know your stance is just as predictable as theirs? That race is more important than any other question in a debate, legal or otherwise?

Show me WHERE in my post Dusty that RACE was mentioned? I do believe those who see race in every issue are the main ones who suffer from “race baiting”.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

No DebbieDoRight,

Chastity belts might have been the style when you came along. I was taught the difference between right and wrong. It was a reflection of morals. It applied to all of life including sex. One reward was never going to jail. You might add ..no stds, no pregnancy without marriage, etc., etc., etc.

Someone should have taught Wilson and his friends with criminal records about self restraint and morals. Wilson would be reading those books he loves at home, not in jail. If only someone had taken the time and effort to teach him right from wrong.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Charles Frank History proves me right. Screaming racism only proves me right again.

By getalife

June 11, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

RCH,

That is a load of crap.

There are Americans qualified and available but they want cheap labor and you know it.

You are selling out American jobs to corporate interests for cheap labor.

Admit it.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

The Wilson case is hardly a national issue. Immigration is. Perhaps that is why Wooten speaks of it more often.

Neither was the Duke case, but he managed to mention that one oh, once or twice. TRY AGAIN.

By melo

June 11, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

A judge rules that a Georgia man should be released from a 10-year prison sentence for having oral sex with a 15-year-old girl when he was 17.CNN

Wooten can now open the floodgates !!!

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

st24: don’t quite think I’ve read so much hate before.

You must’ve skipped the Republican Party Convention then.

I would definitely not want to wallow in that kind of hatred.

WOW! You REALLY must’ve skipped the convention!!! Read any Anne Coulter lately?

By Realist

June 11, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Wilson is a free man now…can we end the talk of it now…

By RCH

June 11, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

getalife Wrong again, These are not outsourced positions ,but rather located here. In the last year, 30% of H1B workers were replaced by American citizens at our firms. You try finding me enough American skilled workers. Its almost impossible.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

And the irony of RCH’s statement is that Mexicans have been crossing the border and working illegally in the US for the past 65+ years. As long as they stayed in California, Texas and Florida no one seemed to care about it. Now in the post 9/11 era it has become a huge issue regardless of the fact that there have been no reported acts of terrorism that have been committed by illegal Mexican immigrants. The Republican nativists have made it a cause celebre to rally their disillusioned base.

What’s really stupid is that for decades we have tacitly approved the “wink and nod” immigration policy, have reaped the benefit of immigrant labor, largely from Mexico, and are now denying them the opportunity to become a part of mainstream America. The result is that we have a pi$$ed off neighbor that controls their side of a border that is vulnerable to attack from our real and declared enemies. Brilliant!

By KP

June 11, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Realist,

Actually he has to stay behind bars until after the state appeal is heard. The state should just let it go..but the government does not want to be seen as wrong.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

No DebbieDoRight,Chastity belts might have been the style when you came along. I was taught the difference between right and wrong. It was a reflection of morals. It applied to all of life including sex. One reward was never going to jail. You might add ..no stds, no pregnancy without marriage, etc., etc., etc.

You must’ve came along then BEFORE known biblical times. STDs, sex without marriage, etc.; have been around since before Abraham; so you must be REALLY old…..

Someone should have taught Wilson and his friends with criminal records about self restraint and morals. Wilson would be reading those books he loves at home, not in jail. If only someone had taken the time and effort to teach him right from wrong.

Someone should teach you about christian charity and the difference between laws and righteousness. I bet you were one of the people who would’ve stoned the woman caught in adultery because you loved the law more than you loved the contrition of the sinner.

I guess when you’re so old that you forget what it is to be young and make foolish mistakes it’s really useless trying to talk to you. THANK GOD I’m still “young” enough to remember 17 and old enough to remember that everyone makes mistakes.

By GOD OF WAR

June 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

How many of you would be in jail for being a senior dating a sophmore? Or better yet how many of you are 2 yrs older than your wives or girlfriends? Some of you have wives 10 yrs or more your junior and you have the nerve to talk.. Unfortunately some of your daughters are loose, deal with that rather than send some dude to jail for 10 years for something you were doing in your hay day. Well before you became all sanctified and better than others.

By catlady

June 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

I hope everyone has gotten right with Jesus, because He will be here soon! The proof of it is, I agree with Mr. Wooten on what needs to happen vis a vis illegal immigration! Secure, identify, penalize employers, strengthen touch-back requirements, deport undesirables. Whew! With a couple of other provisions, I would stand up and cheer, even for Chambliss and Isakson. (substantial fines and payback for medicaid, cut out family preference/chain migration, discontinue the automatic awarding of citizenship for babies born of illegal mothers). I would also put a time limit for folks to touchback, pay fines, and sign up for the pathway, and deport everyone found who failed to do so within that time limit as an undesirable. For example, if the pathway process has to be started by June 1, 2008, on June 2 anyone without proof that they had done so would be eligible for deportation immediately. I would also suggest that people would have to prove they were in the country by Jan 1 of 2006, or some other such past date. Then, as they move down the pathway, other things such as English proficiency could be part of the expectations.

But first, secure. Not just in name.

By getalife

June 11, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

RCH,

What do you consider skilled?

Working for $30,000 in a $60,000 position.

You are selling out American jobs!

Admit it.

By Bobby

June 11, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

deegee, when the Republican party stooped to its lowest point by giving outright scum, racists, bigots, and micellaneous trash a home on their right wing, all of this wa easily predictable.

By @@

June 11, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight:

You seem very upset today regarding Genarlow Wilson’s conviction. I have a question for you.

Were you aware of the outdated law before young Wilson was convicted? If you were, why didn’t you petition your legislators to change it. If you weren’t aware of it, the question would then be WHY weren’t you aware of it?

Why did you wait until after his conviction and incarceration to become outraged? The legislators have now seen fit to change the law, but it was what it was when you sad idle and did nothing to change it.

DebbieDoRight did young Mr. Wilson Wrong?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

RCH,

Why do you hate the American worker?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

They did change it @@.

Try to keep up, they let him out.

Here is a lesson, never video tape sex unless you want the world to see it.

Geez.

By Dan Gates

June 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

By RCH

June 11, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

getalife Wrong again, These are not outsourced positions ,but rather located here. In the last year, 30% of H1B workers were replaced by American citizens at our firms. You try finding me enough American skilled workers. Its almost impossible.

BULL FRICKIN SHI%! RCH! Educated, skilled, professionals that remember what the wage WAS for their services before your beloved cutrate “pros” from China and India just haven’t yet awakened to the reality that because of enemies of the middle class like you, and the vultures that will eventually pick the carcass of the American middle class with their thirst for more and more cheap H1Bs, that they may have to work for those lower wages that undercut everything that they have educated themselves for. Give this middle class American cheaper houses and cheaper groceries that come from the efforts of the low wage, low skilled immigrants and spare me the death of the American middle class that you RCH so strongly support. And yes, you sir are a minumental fraud.

By round up all illegal leeches

June 11, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

when the Republican party stooped to its lowest point by giving outright scum, racists, bigots, and micellaneous trash a home on their right wing, all of this wa easily predictable.

snigger smirk snigger

another should have been aborted leftist dogturd pukes up its unhinged hate!!!

By RCH

June 11, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Get a life I wish. In my market, positions start at 75K, and its hard to find qualified candidates at that price. Firms outbid me everyday as it gets more difficult to fill positions. * Get a life*,get a education in the field that is in demand and I guarantee you as an American you will get a well paying job.

By Humprey

June 11, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

GOD OF WAR, I must say that you have a talent for slapping the crap out of the dumber ones on this blog. Keep up the good work.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Debbie,12:08

Lots of things have been around even before Abraham. There has always been a choice. (Adam & Eve?)

Wilson didn’t make a “mistake”. He didn’t seem to know that he was even doing anything wrong.

I am saying that a lot of “mistakes” in life can be avoided by doing the “right” thing. In most cases, it is a knowledge of moral and ethical values.

The law tries to make us conform to ethical and moral values. But that comes “after the fact” as in Wilson’s case. I believe in teaching a child some moral values BEFORE they get in trouble.

No, I try not to hate anybody.
I don’t hate Wilson. I feel sorry for him. He has made a bad misstep in life and it will always be on his record, one way or another.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight: You seem very upset today regarding Genarlow Wilson’s conviction.

Try to keep up @@; I’m “upset” that the honorable Mr. Wooten, the champion of all things “Right” has not even deemed to mention it. Not once. Not in all these months. Especially after he so vigorously came to the defense of the Dukies and “Scooter”. It makes me wonder if the wallet is mightier than the pen.

Were you aware of the outdated law before young Wilson was convicted? If you were, why didn’t you petition your legislators to change it.

No. I’m over 21, when I moved here to go to college, I was 18 and NOT in a relationship with anyone two years younger than myself.

If you weren’t aware of it, the question would then be WHY weren’t you aware of it?

Read the above paragraph.

Why did you wait until after his conviction and incarceration to become outraged? The legislators have now seen fit to change the law, but it was what it was when you sad idle and did nothing to change it.

How do YOU know what I’ve done? Do you even KNOW ME? Duh.

By @@

June 11, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

I was talking about the law Getalife. I read Realists post and WAS keeping up.

Debbie should have expressed her outrage before Genarlow’s conviction and incarceration; then he could have avoided prison altogether. Why blame everyone else for what she, herself is guilty of not doing?

Thanks for the advice Getalife. I really needed to hear it. NOT! (ISH)

By NO MAS

June 11, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

By RCH

June 11, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

getalife Wrong again, These are not outsourced positions ,but rather located here. In the last year, 30% of H1B workers were replaced by American citizens at our firms. You try finding me enough American skilled workers. Its almost impossible.

Hey RCH, pay the GT grads and all the other skilled professionals what the job is worth and they come runnin by the thousands and you won’t need the H1Bs will you? Of course your company’s bottom line will drop like a rock won’t it RCH? The same argument that is being used against the lower skill immigrants can be more than effectively used against the true enemies of America’s middle class like you, huh RCH. HYPOCRITE!

By getalife

June 11, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

RCH is guilty of driving down wages of the American worker for improving the bottom line of corporate profits.

He is guilty of selling out Americans and should be considered a traitor.

Lets blog mob this unAmerican corporate wh-ore.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

geatalife: If they didn’t have that videotape, they would’ve been charged with rape. That videotape saved them from the rape charge but convicted them of consentual sex with a minor.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Debbie should have expressed her outrage before Genarlow’s conviction and incarceration; then he could have avoided prison altogether.

Duh. I HAVE. Try to keep up!

Why blame everyone else for what she, herself is guilty of not doing?

WTF does that mean!? Are you looking in the magic mirror again and you just KNOW what everyone is doing? Are you Snow White’s wicked stepmother, the evil witch?

By RCH

June 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

NO MAS I am a graduate of G.T.We recruit at numerous engineering schools. At many of them the average candidate receives over six job offers. You cannot find qualified skilled professionals. Also many of the graduates are of Indian, Asian, and Middle Eastern decent. Maybe you need to encourage more American students to earn degrees in which fields that they are needed.

By Tom T.

June 11, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

RCH sits on this blog all day trashing a group of people that give us lower home prices, pour billions into the economy with cash spending, keep prices low at Kroger and benefit us in so many ways, when he himself is no more than an H1B loving corporate hitman bent on assassinating the American middle class. What a scum bag. RCH you are the lowest of the low. Just another corporate pimp pushing your H1B w******* at the expense of mainstream Americans.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Wilson didn’t make a “mistake”. He didn’t seem to know that he was even doing anything wrong.

On tape, the cops saw a 15-year-old girl, a 10th-grader, performing oral sex on a partygoer and, after finishing with him, turning and performing the act on Genarlow. She was the instigator, according to her mother’s testimony.

Dusty, I don’t know about you, but what 17 year old boy, no what MAN is gonna turn down a BJ from a willing young lady? Please don’t name TFTT, (he’s gay so he doesn’t count), or Pat Boone, (he’s been married for over 30 years — he’s probably NEVER had one); those two don’t count.

Be realistic Dusty.

By NO MAS

June 11, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Well DUHHHHHH RCH. A GT grad expects a little more than the meager prevailing wage that has been set now for these jobs because of the easy access to H1B visas. YOU RCH and others of your ilk are the true threat to the American way of life. I guess we all need to learn to speak Chinese or Hinti, huh RCH?

By deegee

June 11, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

In gealife’s small, Marxian world there exists only the evil, greedy corporate capitalists and the downtrodden plebian worker. getalife wouldn’t recognize the thousands of American entrepreneurs that invest their life savings into a small business, work 18 hours a day for no profit in order to build the business and then after it is established, struggle to find dependable help that will work for a wage that will afford the entrepreneur a margin of profit that will make it worthwhile to stay in business after paying taxes. Now burden the small business owner with enforcing immigration law and pretty soon it’s just not worth it anymore.

By GTengineer

June 11, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

By RCH

June 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

NO MAS I am a graduate of G.T.We recruit at numerous engineering schools. At many of them the average candidate receives over six job offers. You cannot find qualified skilled professionals. Also many of the graduates are of Indian, Asian, and Middle Eastern decent. Maybe you need to encourage more American students to earn degrees in which fields that they are needed.

Maybe you should just pay more RCH. I am sure that will encourage more Americans to seek those degrees. Why should anyone go through the headaches associated with those curriculums for a $30,000.00 per year payoff. Surely YOU RCH understand that concept. Isn’t higher wages all that we need to get Americans to do the back breaking work that low skilled immigrants do? Hey RCH, just throw some bigger bucks at it and your labor shortage should solve itself. But we all know that it is all about the bottom line to killers of the middle class like you. So RCH, is what’s good for the goose not good for the gander. Or are you just one huge HYPOCRITE?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

RCH,

I am retired and managed many multimillion dollar projects.

I have worked with the Chinese and Indians and they were not the best employees.

Americans are the best and easy to communicate with.

You treat them right, they always do a better job.

Hire American workers!

By RCH

June 11, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Tom T Yes,lets look at this group of people. They give us lower home prices, but we pay more in taxes to keep them here. They pour billions into the economy but they take a larger sum out in social services. They benefit us in many ways, yet they cost us in many ways also. Nothing is free in life. You may save on one side of the equation but you pay more on the other. Lets look at these people who have H1B. They are usually in the 35% tax bracket. Use very little social services, and most tend to stay in the U.S. I guess since they are not Latinos they don’t deserve a chance at citizenship. They are Indian, Asian ,etc. What’s the matter. You don’t like this group of people. Maybe its because your racist ,etc.. Oh my.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Getalife No disrespect meant. In my industry we are speaking of the Ferraris. They are hard to find and expensive as hell.

By @@

June 11, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Debbie:

That videotape saved them from the rape charge but convicted them of consentual sex with a minor.

Therein ^^^ lies the stupidity that was Genarlow Wilson’s. The rest was just immoral behavior IMO; but hey…what’s immoral to me is moral to you, right?

Now you seem to want to continue the discussion focusing on “BJs” and how much men enjoy them, so I’m looking and wondering what your objective here is or ever has been.

You’re on your own in other words.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

RCH, take a stroll over to any of the State of Georgia DHR service centers in metro Atlanta and you will see first hand that your generalizations about Asians and social services is FALSE.

By Tom T

June 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

RCH, $30,000.00 dollar shake and bake engineers aren’t in a 35% bracket. And they DO take high paying jobs from the American middle class. And actually RCH, my best friend’s last name is Patel.

And by the way RCH, your argument against the low wage immigrants is no more valid then the arguments presented here today against your beloved H1Bs. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Get rid of the H1Bs and let the market’s demand set the wage. Isn’t that how it should work RCH? Or does the market model only apply when you use it against low wage immigrants? You’ve been outed RCH.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

@@ if you’re too stupid to connect the dots in regards with the inequity and injustice done in the name of jurist prudence; then far be it from me to “school” you at this late date. Enjoy your ignorance.

By Socrates

June 11, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

By RCH

June 11, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Getalife No disrespect meant. In my industry we are speaking of the Ferraris. They are hard to find and expensive as hell.

Then why are you such a lemon moron. I’ve never heard a 24/7 blogger call himself a Ferrari before. But that does raise questions imbecile boy. Shouldn’t a Ferrari be paid like a Ferrari? Why do you import Yugos from India then RCH? It’s all about that bottom line, huh RCH? Just like with the businesses that use the other guys. No difference. HYPOCRITE! And RCH YOU are definately no Ferrari! LMAO! ROFL! You are probably some little flunky in one of those call centers that use H1Bs to fix my computer. You’ve been outed hypocrite.

By Really RCH

June 11, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

RCH - Russian Code Hacker. You’ve been outed.

By Redneck Convert

June 11, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Well, I’m just stoopyfied. They let this Wilson kid go free when he was guilty of getting oral sex from one of our fine, pure Southren white girls that don’t do things like that. Next thing you know Those People will just be walking up to our fine Southren women and dropping their pants and saying how about it. In my daddy’s day there woulda been a noose waiting for that Wilson kid.

This is the beginning of the end for morals in this part of the country. I’m just ashamed to tell the missus of this. She would just ask how you give sex by talking about it, that’s what she thinks oral sex is. She don’t know nothing and her mother never told her. Just be sure that judge don’t get reelected next time us rednecks go to the polls.

By getalife

June 11, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Interesting development from the guy who first wrote about the Nafta superhighway and the North American Union about the immigration bill

By RCH

June 11, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Tom T Since when do Ferraris sell for 30K. Triple that for starters. The engineers I work with require numerous professional certification.( CISSP, CEH, PMP, etc.) and they don’t come cheap. They are difficult to find at best and especially Americans. Maybe you need to talk to your friend and find out how long it took him to come here. How long did he wait for his visa and how much did he have to spend to get it. Then explain to him why people that took the criminal way out just walked across the border. Explain to him why his taxes are so high, yet these criminals pay none and demand services. Good luck. In the next 7 yrs. ,the estimate is a 63% reduction in the foreign work force in this industry .At that time you will probably take up their cause because they will be out of work and have to return home.

By Southern Democrat

June 11, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

RCH,

My Dad was a Tech grad and would be appalled at both your grammar and your ideology.

As I mentioned a few weeks back, I found out that a great-grandfather (along with a group of around 100) crossed the border illegally and peacefully from Canada and made their way to Detroit. Further, my wife’s uncle deserted the Portuguese Navy while his ship was docked in Newark and worked at a restaurant for 30 years, so I’m guessing that we should all be sent home.

The argument that immigrants are a net drain on our economy that you put forth is simply not true. There are no legitimate, impartial studies that show that immigration, either legal or illegal, has ever been a detriment to America economically. Ask any economist whether immigrants are a net cost to government and he or she will laugh at you.

Of course, the elephant in the room is that if you are legitimately worried about illegal immigrants not paying enough in taxes, there is a simple solution; grant them some sort of legitimate status, allow them to work “on the books,” and tax accordingly. But I guess that makes too much sense.

Again, it is absolutely hilarious to me how conservatives who love free trade and “letting the market work” are afraid of competition in the workforce.

Finally, does no one else think it ironic that in one week conservatives can rally around Scooter Libby, a convicted felon, and demand a pardon for him, but bemoan an immigration bill that requires illegal immigrants to return to their native country for at least a year, pay a $5000 fine, and undergo a rigorous screenin process, and call it “amnesty”?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Redneck,

Your AG appealed the judge’s decision so he is still locked up.

By Tom T

June 11, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

I already have asked him RCH. As soon as a recruiter for vulture companies like yours puts in the job order, the visas are expedited post haste.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

* Southern Democrat*, Try five screens at once. I tend to be choppy.I can’t apologize for my ideology. I say secure the border first, then screen those who are here, then go from there.

By Tom T.

June 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

RCH, my Indian friend is an electrical engineer that was recruited while still in college along with 100s of others. And he is making 37,000.00. per year. Now someone here is lying. You or him. I will guess that it is you trying to wiggle out of your indefensible and hypocritical position on immigration.

By Al Davis

June 11, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Does anyone else here think that H1BRCH is the biggest hypocrite on this blog?

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

June 11, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Waaay off topic, but deserving nonetheless:

From Jim’s liberal pinko commie comrade Maria Saporta:

Transportation makes Atlanta very unaffordable

And spending $14 billion on tunnels will help this how?

By RCH

June 11, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Tom T That’s a EE.I need information engineers, with specific skills and certifications that take years to acquire. Flip over to AJC jobs and take a look at some of the salaries offered. Then cry.

By KP

June 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Wow..A Double E making only 37K? Is he working in the government field?

The only true engineers are the original engineers..civil. All others are overpaid “technologists”. If you do not have to add P.E. to that list of CISSP, CRAP..then please do the world a favor and stop saying you are an Engineer. Even the garbage man is calling himself a Sanitation Engineer. Damn

By Knock knock

June 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

who’s there?

Illegal immigrants raising concerns in Latin America

LIMA — Efforts to stem illegal immigrants from neighboring countries are increasing in parts of Latin America because of concerns, similar to those in the United States, that they drive down salaries and bring crime and violence with them.

Ecuador, Chile and Venezuela are discussing whether to restrict illegal migrants while Costa Rica recently tightened barriers. Peru is studying whether to tighten its southern border with Bolivia.

Driving the changes are concerns echoed in the current U.S. immigration debate: that undocumented workers take jobs from locals, raise the crime rate and drain tax dollars through their use of public school and health systems.

In the same vein, business groups in the region have been opposing new laws that might limit uneducated, low-cost laborers from migrating to countries that need them — just as in the United States.

Governments throughout the region report almost three million immigrants, according to the U.N. Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean. A majority is believed to lack proper documentation.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,12:49

Keep beating the drum. I’ve heard it so many times. NOBODY is at fault. Just SOMEBODY else. EVERYBODY is doing it.

Maybe you have forgotten that I am the mother of five. My children are a great pleasure to me. They have managed to do quite well even with “parental restraints”. (I’ve never listened to Pat Boone. But I really like the old songs by Nat King Cole. I believe he was married a long time also.)

Now, don’t get all uptight. My children are no more perfect than their parents. Just a lot of fun and joy.

Mr. Wilson will soon be released and you can tell him it was just a “little mistake”. Too bad someone didn’t tell him about “little mistakes” before he made them.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat, you nailed it on the head. For those that claim that their ancestors came here legally, what does that really mean when the reality is that ocean liners like the Titanic were filling their steerage with European immigrants and depositing them at Ellis Island and similar ports of call without any requirement that they have a job a visa or family here? If immigration law existed around the turn of the 20th century as it exists now most of us would be slopping pigs, digging potatoes and smashing grapes in some other part of the world.

By Tom T.

June 11, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

It’s hard to make General Managers of 66 mil a year companies cry RCH. But I have enjoyed aggravating you today. And by the way, you are a hypocrite. The same needs apply for the mom and pop, the small and middle size business, and entrpreneurs that apply for vultures like you. We all want to lower our labor costs. Be less of a hypocrite RCH. You nor yoursw is any different then all the others.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

KP Had to laugh. Mentioned those certifications because they are required by contract for many of our clients.

By KP

June 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Damn,

Mr. Wilson will soon be released and you can tell him it was just a “little mistake”. Too bad someone didn’t tell him about “little mistakes” before he made them.

Dusty you are spot on right. I tell the boys I mentor that the choices they make will determine what future the will have. Clearly, Genarlow Wilson made the wrong choice. Hell, he was a star athlete..there would have been dozens of white girls lined up to give him “knowledge” in college if he had waited.

By GTengineer

June 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

An H1B double E from India KP. One of the exploited ones you might say.

By GTengineer

June 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

An H1B double E from India KP. One of the exploited ones you might say.

By GTengineer

June 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

An H1B double E from India KP. One of the exploited ones you might say.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Tom T No aggrevaition. When I leave here I will hop into my imported sports car and drive back to Alpharetta on the green way.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,12:49 Keep beating the drum. I’ve heard it so many times. NOBODY is at fault. Just SOMEBODY else. EVERYBODY is doing it.

Dusty WHERE did I say that?? Don’t you get it!!?? YES he was at fault. YES, the girl at question was at fault. YES the guys at the party and the other girl were at fault. NO it’s not worth TEN DAMN YEARS. and NO It’s not worth being labeled a SEX OFFENDER FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.

When a 37 year old woman, can sexually manipulate, coerce, get pregnant, and MARRY a 15 year old and get (originally) PROBATION for the offense; but a 17 year old gets TEN YEARS for a consentual sex act by a 15 year old girl and you can’t see what’s wrong with this picture???!!

So, it’s ok for a grown woman, to have consentual sex with a teenager, (boy or girl), and get probation; but let a male /teenaged male do the same thing and get the book for it?!? This is justice for you?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

RCH,

Outsourcing killed that IE market and now you can’t find them unless you insource from India or China.

My goodmess, you have really screwed up that field for Americans.

Geez.

By DogBite

June 11, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

RCH you pompous azz! You probably don’t have a pot to p** in. Obviously you are unemployed or a despicable slacker that blogs all day on your employers dime. Or is that why you make that big UE check every week. Poser!

By RCH

June 11, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Getalife That to is changing trend now is to domestic help desks. I personally worked with a very large cable firm in Atlanta. Studies found that outsourced calls remained active a longer period requiring more representatives. In the long run domestic became cheaper . Whats going on?Tom T Your friend is not even making $13 an hour. The firm I mentioned above pays that just to start and doesn’t even require a degree. Dogbite Have to many pots to p** in, I am one of the owners about to retire( It’s my dime),and I plan soon to be unemployed.

By jbmlaw

June 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie, I am not up to speed on your criminal cases. (1) Did Genarlow not have a plea offer? That would be unusual. (2) You contrast Genarlow’s case with that of a 35 year old. Was that a plea case? General rule, pleas are usually generous, comparison of plea case and non-plea would not be valid. However, comparing a plea case to a nol pros would be valid.

By Ms. Writer

June 11, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

If you arrested every black man that got the brain treatment from a white woman—the jails would be more over crowded than they already are

As for the illegals—can I make up a new ss#, my credit isnt horrible but I would love a fresh start…

By C. Charles

June 11, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Yes jbmlaw, Genarlow Wilson was offered a plea that would have required him to remain on the Sex Offender’s Registry for life. For him, that was not acceptable (I wouldn’t have accepted it either).

10 years in jail plus the sex offender’s registry for life for receiving a blow job from a girl two years younger is cruel and unusual punishment. The judge made the right decision.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Sure, Ms. Writer. Go ahead and make up a SS# then go get yourself a job roofing McMansions in the 90+ degree heat for the rest of the summer.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Ms. Writer Maybe if you cross into Mexico from the Dominican Republic, not get shoot, or put in jail, make it here we can accommodate you. LOL

By deegee

June 11, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Sure, Ms. Writer. Go ahead and make up a SS# then go get yourself a job roofing McMansions in the 90+ degree heat for the rest of the summer.

By Ms Writer

June 11, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

deegee — or maybe I should open up a restaurant—or maybe I could just sit at home and make babies all day and let Medicaid pay for it…

By GodHatesTrash

June 11, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Funny to see all these Woo-ten Klanners trying to defend the virtues of southern womanhood.

It’s an impossible job. Filthy low-bread skanks all.

Trash.

By GOD OF WAR

June 11, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

JBM - Why cop a plea when you arent guilty? They tried to give him a plea with the sex offender tag on it.. I wouldnt accept it either. Just admit it folks some over zealous prosecutor and a mad dad ruined this dudes life and lord forbid if he didnt have the tape. Terrible.

I wonder will he be able to go to college after this? I wonder has jail traumatized him to the limit? I wonder if someone raped him in jail because thats what they do to rapist. I wonder will he ever be the same after this?

I wonder have we taken a productive citizen and turned him into a career criminal for a “Billy Clinton”(BJ)? I mean, dang you Publicans sure do get upset over a “presidential”(BJ).. Maybe you guys should try getting a “white house delight”(BJ) and you might find out that nothings wrong with a “Lewinsky”(BJ).

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw - this was the basics of the plea deal:

a) Five years in jail, eligible for parole in 18 months.

b) Registered sex offender for the rest of his life.

END OF DEAL.

Being a registred sex offender, he would not have been elgible for certain jobs, (if he were lucky enough for someone to hire him), could not live in certain places, and even could not be around his own children, if he were to have any, without court supervision.

Is the punishment seriously fitting the crime?

By deegee

June 11, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

In the cases you cite, Ms. Writer, you won’t need a fake SS# would you?

By Ms. Writer

June 11, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Ok deegee - defender of all things illegal—-I understand that people want to come here for a better life, but at some point, the income to support them will bottom out…

By GOD OF WAR

June 11, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

You know why the bill is sooooo stupid?? Who in their right mind is going to pay $5000 and go home.. Thats about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If I was illegal you would have to catch me first. Im not turning myself in, because you dont even know I’m here.

Look Here… Build a fence, shoot to kill anyone tresspassing and let the people here stay. Thats the only way it will work. You have to stop people from coming in before you can attempt to fix the problem, but while were at it we need to put a fence up by Canada just to make it fair. I mean you dont want it to look like youre trying to keep the mexicans out, you want to secure the borders. Right?

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon jbm,

Hope you had a good weekend.

Genarlow’s plea offer would have been for 5 years, out in 3, with a record for sexual exploitation of a minor, or something similar.

The plea wasn’t generous, and the prosecutor wasn’t reasonable. The larger issue of course is the inconsistency of arcane laws that create this result, where a boy is sentenced to 10 years for having consensual oral sex, but would have only been fined had they engaged in sexual intercourse.

These kinds of laws are like old mines in the books, and could sit for years before they blow up in someone else’s face, and should be stricken (just as this one was).

Hi Dusty @11:38,

Thanks for confirming your reputation for shortsighted, dogmatic, simplistic, kneejerk reactionism.

Thanks also for making it obvious you sometimes don’t read nearly as closely as you should prior to putting up posts of your own.

My post wasn’t about race, it was about Jim, who frequently favors provincial issues, ignoring a major story that the AJC has given front page attention for several weeks now.

My “race” comment concerned topics that Jim would ordinarily raise, and the engendered feelings and comments they frequently generate. But I’m sorry you missed that.

I am by no means a scholar, nor have I ever passed myself off as one. I don’t recall having ever been characterized as an intellectual lightweight, and I do try what I can to be informed and educated on issues prior to forming an opinion. If that makes me “elite” (however disparagingly you may have intended it), then I thank you for the compliment. This seems to be the opposite of your methodology, which is why it may seem so alien a concept.

I hope you recognize the extraordinary irony and hypocrisy in your alluding that having a predictable opinion is a “bad” thing.

I am intellectually consistent, and my reasoning is generally superior to yours. Don’t be mad because you’re made to look foolish from time to time. After all, we are not your kids, and therefore don’t have to think or act in such a way just because you “said so.”

It’s common sense that a person recognize that God gave them two ears and one mouth, to be used in that proportion. Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to work so well when 10 fingers and a keyboard become involved….

By Jim Carey

June 11, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Liar Liar RCH is a Liar. Folks that are it don’t have to talk about it RCH. What you are is a poser. A legend in your own feeble mind. I bet you don’t even have a college degree.

By Redneck Convert

June 11, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Well, this GodHatesTrash guy has got me all riled up. Calling our good white Southren women skanks and all. If I knowed who he is I could find him and fight him. Right now I’m so mad I’m going to beat up the 1st guy driving with a librul bumper sticker on his car. Its the manly and Christian thing to do. Insulting our women folk that way.

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Redneck,

Thanks for the post at 3:30. If anyone tries to run me off the road for my (hypothetical) “Clinton/Obama Obama/Clinton - either way, we all win” bumper sticker, I’ll at least know you provided fair warning…. :^)

By KP

June 11, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

In a written statement, Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker said he filed the appeal to resolve “clearly erroneous legal issues,” saying that while the judge did have the authority to grant habeas relief, he did not have the authority “to reduce or modify the judgment of the trial court.”

Separately, Baker noted that Douglas County recently had offered a plea deal “that would have allowed Genarlow Wilson to plead to First Offender Treatment, which would mean that he would not have a criminal record nor would he be subject to registering on the sex offender registry once his sentence had been completed.”

This is not about race,it’s about the state/government not wanting to admit it made mistakes. Baker, free this man..just damn.

By jbmlaw

June 11, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Dear C Charles, God of War, Debbie, and rarringt, I think I agree that the plea offer to Genarlow was not generous – obviously prosecutor thought he had good evidence. How about Debbie’s other case? Maybe rarringt will agree my assertion that the facts of a case often matter less than the quality of the proof. If they think they have an unbeatable case, they play hard ball with us. The only time I have much luck on criminal negotiations is when I am holding a pretty good set of cards. (Now, rarringt, don’t be so cynical – occasionally we get one who is really innocent.)

By deegee

June 11, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Ms. Writer, I am in no way arguing in favor of illegal immigration. We have a chance to bring the illegal immigrants into the mainstream, collect fines and back taxes from them and fund border security in the McCain Kennedy bill. There is no objective, impartial study that says that enactment of immigration reform will constitute a net loss for the Treasury. It is an absolute certainty that within 15 years Social Security payments will exceed Social Security receipts under the present demographic model. We can do something about that now or we can scream “AMNESTY!!!” for the next 15 years.

By Stop being a shill Jim

June 11, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

What, you’re not going to take another opportunity to praise the “Creationist in Chief” Kathy Cox on what a great job the schools are doing? I’m shocked considering all the overwhelmingly positive response you got from the bloggers last time.

Since “Mission Accomplished” is already taken, how about “Georgia: We can’t spell CRCT, but we can sure pass it!”?

By GodHatesTrash

June 11, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

So this young “lady” serviced 5 or 6 guys the night she serviced young Mr. Wilson?

Where was her father? Probably first in line, we are talking Georgia you know.

God, you people live worse than animals, in a filthy gutter culture. Your children don’t have a chance.

Trash.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Jim Carey It all started as a joke on this blog. Someone called me a rich white boy who lives in Alpharetta, drives a sports car, and never cuts his own lawn. Unfortunately for you however all this is a fact. I apologize for being successful.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoLittle

No use discussing this with you. You seem to insist on a very old excuse used many times: Injustice keeps people in jail, not their actions.

The DebbieDoLittle Doctrine for teenagers is not a reliable one. But it does give a clue why many young people do not know right from wrong.

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

GHT,

Try being more charitable. The Columbine killers were from Colorado. The kid from VT grew up outside Alexandria. Timothy McVeigh was out of upstate New York.

My point? Odd people come from everywhere, and most Georgians I’ve met really aren’t such a bad lot.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Dear C Charles, God of War, Debbie, and rarringt, I think I agree that the plea offer to Genarlow was not generous – obviously prosecutor thought he had good evidence. How about Debbie’s other case? Maybe rarringt will agree my assertion that the facts of a case often matter less than the quality of the proof. If they think they have an unbeatable case, they play hard ball with us. The only time I have much luck on criminal negotiations is when I am holding a pretty good set of cards.

They had the tape; and even though they couldn’t get them on the rape, (though they tried, the tape refuted the rape conviction), they COULD get them on the sex with a minor clause.

To me it’s a case of vengeance, not justice. The girl in question by her own comments, her mother’s comments, and the evidence shown on the tape, initiated the sexual contact/act with each boy each time. How is the convictions of the boys considered “justice”?

KP — you are so right. The state is vindictive; no matter how stupid, backwater, and medieval they look; they refuse to back down and do what’s right. The AG will no longer receive a vote from me.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

*Degee Our own Congressional budget committee admitted a net loss during the next 20 yrs.The cost of Social Security for these 12 million is 2.4 trillion over the next 20 yrs. In no way will these individuals contribute this amount. Surely this will have a great impact on the solvency of the program.

By deegee

June 11, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

RCH, maybe you think that your material wealth is enviable. I don’t envy you for one moment.

By DebbieDoRight

June 11, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoLittle — No use discussing this with you. You seem to insist on a very old excuse used many times: Injustice keeps people in jail, not their actions.

Dusty: I have come to believe that you are a fool. Only a fool refuses to see what’s standing in front of them. There are other laws on the books just like this one; and I guess until your great grandchid, great-great grandchild, etc; is affected you will continue stick your foolish head in the sand and say, “It’s not my problem.”

The DebbieDoLittle Doctrine for teenagers is not a reliable one. But it does give a clue why many young people do not know right from wrong.

Dusty — this is what you need to do to stay in your little, made up, perfectly wonderful world and never let the real world affect you. Close your eyes, click your heels together and repeat these words: “There’s no fool like an old fool, There’s no fool like an old fool”. Say this 21 times and when you open your eyes viola! All will be well again in Dustyland.

By GOD OF WAR

June 11, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Hey wait now GHT… I am GA born, Ga Bred and when I die I will be Ga Dead.. However I represent everything good in Ga.. Sweet Tea, large yards with your home, jet skis at the lake, Sittin on the porch, convertible Sunday afternoon rides, Southern Hospitality, Respect and Pride. Old skool Decatur to be exact, before all the out of towners got here.

By Lickodull

June 11, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

You know, giving out oral favours to a group of guys helps me to feel good about myself. That and it’s lo-cal!

I’m sure tftt is with me on this.

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By GodHatesTrash

June 11, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Admit it, Godowar and rarringt - you live in Georgia, surrounded by mental and emotional depravity.

There is no sugar-coating it - in your heart, you know that I’m right, that many of your neighbors are stupider than animals.

By RCH

June 11, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

degee Never thought that it was until I was told that I cheated, stole, didn’t deserve it, or someone tries to take it away because they deserve it more than me. I am only a steward; when I die I take nothing with me.

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

RCH,

Not so fast….

You said $2.4 trillion over the next 20 years, which will not be compensated for by contributions (presumably through consumption).

2.4T over the course of 20yrs = 120B per year

120B divided by 12M immigrants = $10,000 of consumption per immigrant per year

10,000 / 12 mos = a little less than 850 per month spent in order to “break even,” given your premise.

“Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry masses yearning to…get the latest version of HALO at Best Buy….”

By deegee

June 11, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

RCH, you’re reaching again.

By Dusty

June 11, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

rarringt,3:29

We all have our our opinions and the feeling is certainly mutual on yours and mine.

You are only slightly bigoted and do a pretty good undercover job. Why do you deny the obvious?

The Wilson case is not one of national importance. It sounds like harsh punishment. But, if you think molesting, even a willing underage girl, is just kid stuff, then why make any laws, much less carry them out?

I don’t care whether Jim Wooten discusses this case or not. Cynthia Tucker just did. Jim Wooten decides on his subjects and I don’t try to tell him what his choice should be.

Don’t decide your angry arrogance is mine. As to my reasoning, as they say “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” So it is with reason. You have a high opinion of your own and well—we disagree on a lot of things.

You are right about one thing. Odd people come from everywhere. And Georgians are not such a bad lot. They just smile and put up with a “lot”

By Lou Dobbs

June 11, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

I appologize to the American people for my false reporting:

• On Oct. 30, 2003, a Dobbs reporter claimed that a National Academy of Sciences report showed an economic loss of up to $10 billion from immigration. The report actually showed that immigrants caused a net gain in the U.S. gross national product of between $1 billion and $10 billion. • Chris Simcox, co-founder of the Minuteman Project and a top anti-immigration leader, has appeared some 20 times on Dobbs’ show. But Dobbs has never reported that Simcox says he has seen the Chinese army secretly maneuvering along the U.S.-Mexico border or that he is a member of the speakers’ bureau of the extreme-right John Birch Society.

• Glenn Spencer, head of the American Patrol – regarded as a hate group by the Center – has been interviewed on the Dobbs show at least twice, on Jan. 7 and June 4, 2004. Spencer promotes the idea that the Mexican government is involved in a secret plot to take over the Southwest. He has also predicted that “thousands will die” in a forthcoming Mexican invasion. Dobbs did not mention the criticism of Spencer’s group, the fact that he has spoken at other hate group gatherings or his actions in shooting up a neighbor’s garage.

• On May 23, 2006, CNN correspondent Casey Wian referred to Mexican President Vicente Fox’s visit to the U.S. as a “Mexican military incursion.” Wian went on to say that Fox’s trip could be called “the Vicente Fox Aztlan tour,” referring to the conspiracy theory, popular among anti-immigration zealots, that Mexico is plotting to “reconquer” the American Southwest. As Wian spoke, a graphic appeared on the screen – a map of the United States highlighting the seven southwestern states that Mexico supposedly covets and calls “Aztlan.” Remarkably, it was prominently sourced to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white supremacist hate group that has described blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” and compared pop singer Michael Jackson to an ape.

• In April 14, 2005, Dobbs said an “invasion of illegal aliens” was bringing “highly contagious diseases” to America “decades after those diseases had been eradicated” here. Reporter Christine Romans stated that more than 7,000 new cases of leprosy had been reported in the previous three years. The real number of new leprosy cases from 2002 through 2004 was 398, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Dobbs and Romans said their source for the 7,000 figure was the late Madeleine Cosman, a lawyer who told an anti-immigrant conference in 2005 that “most” Latino immigrant men “molest girls under 12, although some specialize in boys, and some in nuns.”

• On Nov. 4, 2003, Dobbs’ said “illegal aliens” are “taking up a third of the cells in our federal penitentiaries.” The reality: The Government Accountability Office reported in 2005 that 27 percent of federal inmates in 2004 were immigrants – including those here legally. Another GAO study estimated that just 12 percent of non-U.S. citizens in federal custody were there for committing violent crimes. Dobbs often covers crime issues relating to undocumented persons, but several studies debunk the notion that there is a relatively high level of criminality among undocumented immigrants.

RCH, I am sure that you can add some of your outright lies and embellishments to the above. After all, you shill for corporate America in their quest for the H1Bs that take American jobs. You also are a good fit with the Simcox/Spencer/Council of Conservative Citizens/Cosman crowd. Redneck white trash is as redneck white trash does RCH. And you definately do.

By KP

June 11, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

The Wilson case must be of national importance. It’s(was) the headline issue on Fox.com, CNN.com, USATODAY.com (under “Nation” Headlines), MSNBC.com…thats just the ones I saw.

Just because it is not important to you , does not make it irrelevant to the nation. It’s more of an issue than Paris “knob slobber” Hilton, or Tony Soprano….

By Lou Dobbs

June 11, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Most of these anti-immigration groups routinely denigrate undocumented Latinos and also popularize conspiracy theories, such as an alleged Mexican plot to annex the American Southwest, that originate in hate groups. As a result, it is no longer uncommon for these ideas and theories to make their way to radio, television or other mainstream venues. Even U.S. congressmen now bandy about unsubstantiated accusations of immigrant criminality, helping to whip up an atmosphere in which immigrants are seen as personally threatening.

“This kind of really vile propaganda begins in hate groups, makes its way out into the larger anti-immigration movement, and, before you know it, winds up in places like ‘Lou Dobbs Tonight’ on CNN,” said Mark Potok, director of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project. “This country needs a robust debate on immigration, but it does not need a debate based on racist allegations and bogus conspiracy theories.”

Although the anti-immigration movement has endured several recent splits, it appears to be growing more radical overall, particularly since its supporters on the right wing of the Republican Party have grown increasingly isolated and weak as the GOP suffers from election losses and an unpopular war. T

Are these your people RCH?

By getalife

June 11, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Debate on Ganzo on C-Span 2.

I vote no confidence in all of w’s friends.

By Lou Dobbs

June 11, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

The face of the anti-immigration movement:

The online forum hosted by the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, the single largest nativist extremist organization in the country, with 34 chapters in 27 states, publicized several calls last November for the U.S. government to place land mines and machine gun towers on the border. One Minuteman advised other members to keep a supply of quick lime on hand to hasten the decomposition of corpses. Another summed up his policy recommendations most succinctly: “Shoot, shovel, and shut up.”

You run with a real classy group of folks RCH.

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Dusty said,

But, if you think molesting, even a willing underage girl, is just kid stuff, then why make any laws, much less carry them out?

Speaking of reason, back in junior high, the teachers introduced us to the “straw man” argument. Your question, which replaces my perfectly valid question with one that is indefensible in an attempt to draw my credibility into question and answer the question you’d really like to address, is a textbook example of one.

I know that you’ve gotten used to seeing your heroes get away with such manipulations over the past few years, Dusty, but in case Sean or Rush or Jim hasn’t clued you in yet, that sort of argument doesn’t really work anymore.

It’s now relegated to the Dusty bin of “cut-‘n-run,” “unpatriotic,” “america haters,” “evangelical political mainstream,” and other well-worn and utterly useless chestnuts you use to concoct what really are the most entertaining “arguments.”

Andy/TFTT/Lying/Verminous/Scum/whatever stopped being fun to play with around the first week, when I realized he was a semi-sadist willing to say whatever to get a reaction.

You, on the other hand, really believe the things you say. Which is sad for you, but big fun for me. I truly appreciate your steadfastly shortsighted pigheadedness on so many issues. It makes for stark contrast with the more reasonable posters, and hopefully is beneficial for lurkers out there.

For example, “reasonable” people can debate the virtues of the war in Iraq. You, on the other hand, check to see what the Administration’s opinion is this week, and denouce anything to the contrary as not “supporting the troops.”

How very sagacious of you. Truly a leading light of conservatism. Heh.

Oh, and I appreciate the “angry arrogance” remark. Not as much fun as “Patagonian pothole,” but you still can put together one zinger of a phrase….

By getalife

June 11, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

The Wilson case is not one of national importance. It sounds like harsh punishment. But, if you think molesting, even a willing underage girl, is just kid stuff, then why make any laws, much less carry them out?

The rest of the country is laughing at you.

Only in Ga. will you get ten years for a more than willing bj.

By JohnD

June 11, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Only Monday and rarringt has already produced his weekly “straw man argument” post.

Then we have Lou Dobbs, snicker, with his reports on the “extremist” anti-immigration movement. Anyone with an opinion Lou does not like is a member of a “Hate Group”. Lou must not watch the demonstrations by the illegals and their vitriolic hatred of the US.

DDR and her weekly “the black people are abused” arguments.

The simple fact is the US is unable to support a continuing influx of immigrants both legal and illegal. The resources are not available.

The Left on this blog will lament the life of the poor in this country but then endorse allowing as many more across the border as would like to come. If we are unable to support the poor in America, how can we support even more?

The Left complains of HB1 visas as dragging down pay for Americans but then supports more immigration. How about the destruction of the wages for the Americans least able to cope with lower pay?

Oh yes, the Lower Pay Left then asserts the price of orange juice and all Wal-Mart items will increase dramatically if we send the illegals home.

Conservatism is dead, or so the Left on this blog has declared since last November, yet with a Liberal President and a Democrat Congress the Senate bill is near death. Why? Voices from the grave must have spooked some Senators.

Attack the messenger, Oh Ye Paragons of virtue on the Left, for that is what you do best (and almost exclusively).

By rarringt

June 11, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Hi JohnD,

Regarding my “no straw man arguments please,” postings, I only put it up once a week, but you seem to insist on using (and abusing) it more or less on a daily basis.

Such arguments are little more than parlor tricks used by people whose reasoning and logic is so poor they have to resort to amateur hour tactics.

Speaking of amateur, thank you for such guileful representation of the position of the “Lower Pay Left.”

Ah, the irony….

By aubrey

June 15, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Voter ID is a good thing. Jim you are right about the Democrats only using this to strenghten their base. I believe that hhe voting process has to be guarded closely. I hope we will soon see this ID measure passed nationally.