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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Fox News Channel — the one commonly regarded as the conservative alternative to CNN and the major networks — felt it necessary to issue a second on-air apology Wednesday for mistakenly airing tape of House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) while reporting the indictment of U.S. Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.) on bribery and other charges.
Both are black. Conyers, according to news accounts, was upset that Fox’s first apology was not specific enough. In the second apology, anchor Martha MacCallum again expressed regret. “We in no way meant to suggest that there was any connection between the Jefferson indictment and Congressman Conyers,” she said, noting that a private apology had been extended as well.
The mistake occurred, MacCallum explained, because a production assistant picked up a tape about a meeting concerning Jefferson. So while reporting the indictment, the image on the screen was of Conyers.
Ho hum. The explanation is perfectly believable and a second round of apologies would ordinarily be unnecessary. But we are talking here about liberals reacting to an institution many of them associate with conservatives.
Democratic presidential candidates, in fact, have been dropping like lemmings over the cliff from a debate Fox is co-sponsoring with the Congressional Black Caucus on Sept. 23 in Detroit. At least five — Hillary, Obama, John Edwards, Bill Richardson and Christopher Dodd — have bailed. Only Edwards has given a reason. He thinks the fair-and-balanced network tilts Republican. Liberals of the Moveon.org variety have pressured the Dems to avoid Fox. It should be noted, however, that none of the Republicans skipped debates sponsored by networks they believe to tilt Democratic.
Had the Conyers-Jefferson mix-up occurred on any other network, it’s unlikely that it would have risen to anything more than a media tidbit. But since it plays into the liberal myth that Republicans stereotype blacks and don’t bother to distinguish among them, Fox is forced to up the apology from mere contrition for a routine production error to something that suggests denial of the other implied guilt.
It’s hard to image, given the nature of the offense, that the second apology would have been required of any other network.
Comments
By Van
June 7, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
Continuing example of the double standard. If CNN had done this about a republican, a brief notation on air about the mix up would have been fine. But, let FOX make a mistake and we shall watch were this will go.
As noted in Mr. Wooten’s article, it seems that the tolerance levels in the Democratic race for the White House is slim or non existent. A debate co-sponsored by the Black Caucus, on FOX news, has sent the leading contenders running like scared bunnies. I guess this is how they will fight global terrorism.
By catlady
June 7, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Guys, the problem isn’t GOP vs. Dem. It is the idea that the “white boys” don’t tell blacks apart, that either they don’t matter enough to pay attention to, or that they just all look the same. That is what is offensive, IMHO.
By NoMasFaux
June 7, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
Faux is nothing more than National Inquirer gone bad.
By GodHatesTrash
June 7, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
Faux is “news” for the retarded, by the retarded. The easiest job in the world would be fact-checker on Faux News. CNN never ever screws up like this, and Faux does it all the time.
Trash news for retards.
By Who Cares
June 7, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
typical Black congressman-what will he want next-reparations? Like he never made a mistake? Will the voters have the sense to throw this bum out?! So the intern made a mistake-can you tell oriental people apart? Last Bruce Lee look alike contest found 500 winners. So some blakc people look the same. He-when you are not around them all the time-newness can look the same. Black Caucus is more liek a bunch of Wild african tribesmen that belong in the trees of the jungle. Act civilly or give bakc your “uncivil rights.” I am tired of being oppressed by this 40 year old thing. Time to take a second look at giving rights to people that behave worse than wild animals.
By George
June 7, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
Want to see what the Republican party has become? Look no farther than Who Cares at 8:44. For the trash, by the trash, of the trash. Until that party dumps the miscellaneous garbage that has proudly presented itself as the “base”, the republican party can kiss it’s butt goodbye.
By Dave
June 7, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
Unfortunately, most things you see in politics is the opposite of reality. The template seared into the mind of America is Republicans = racist and Democrats = civil rights, with cake and cookies for all. So when something like this happens, the first assumption is that some racist idiot at Fox was showing his true colors. As it really happens, Democrats seek to exploit racism as a political tool and they keep stirring the pot to keep things from healing between the groups. The elite liberal education movement cannot let you see that racism only gets worse when they get involved.
If we only had better educated people in the US, then the truth would show what is really going on.
By George
June 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
George, racist is as racist does. And republicans do.
By GodHatesTrash
June 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
Let’s face it - the GOP is the w-hore sons and daughters of knuckledragging Klansmen and their ilk.
Pure trash.
Wooten’s little klavern of kooks - a kaleidoscope of krazy wanna-be killers.
By The Truth Hurts
June 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
….that the second apology would have been required of any other network.
Required?
Who required FOX to appoligize? Nobody.
Fox is forced to up the apology from mere contrition for a routine production error
Forced?
Who forced FOX to up the apology? Nobody.
Wooten is living in his dream world again.
If Wooten has a problem with FOX’s apology, he should talk to FOX. Nobody forced them to - it was their choice.
But again Wooten wants everyone to think, a’s usual, it’s all the Democrats fault.
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. If I had regular cable television and ever watched television news, I would probably watch Fox News since they are somewhat less leftist than the seven sisters. An appropriate apology would have read, “When we showed the picture of the flaming-leftist John Conyers, we inadvertently defamed the more handsome and less leftist Mr. Jefferson. Fox News apologizes to Mr. Jefferson.”
Hope you all saw Roger Ailes funny line yesterday: Any Democrat who cannot handle Fox News is probably not qualified to deal with Al Qaeda.
By liberalextremist
June 7, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
Ditto, catlady. Mr. Wooten is no idiot. He knows that Fox can’t tell blacks apart. “We all look alike” to them. Mr. Wooten when you begin acknowledging the truth then maybe more people will take you seriously.
By RCH
June 7, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
George Who is Robert Bryd???
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
Sudden thought, Fox ought to have some fun with this. Every time they report the Jefferson story, they ought to flash a picture of a different Democrat – Hillary, then Obama, then Edward, then Harry Pelosi, then Nancy Reid…
By Adam
June 7, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this
What a surprise! Another cry of “I’m offended”. This 10 millionth refrain of the same old song is so predictable that it is now boring. Cynthia McKinney is not instantly recognized by a security guard and he is a racist. The FOX producer shows the wrong footage and he’s a racist.
Please get over yourselves. The only people I hear constantly injecting race into every event is the chip-on-their-shoulder Black warlords. Without the constant bickering that they strive to maintain, they would be out of the limelight and the donations would dry up.
By NoMasFaux
June 7, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this
It’s just a matter of time until Faux’s already plummeting ratings tank. The majority of Americans have just about had it with the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O’Reillys, and others of their ilk. Watching Faux is like watching WWE. Nothing but an undignified brawl.
By Redneck Convert
June 7, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this
Well, Those People all look alike to me—fuzzy hair, big nose, big lips. I don’t know how Fox News is going to tell the diffrence between the Jefferson guy and the Conyers guy. I get them mixed up myself. I’m just a typical GA voter, and I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Its like seeing a bunch of monkeys playing a piano. The wonder is not that they are monkeys and look alike, its just that they can do it at all.
I got real mad last night while I was watching the news. Turns out the judge that threw the book at the good conservative Libby guy was one of Those People! I almost fell out of my chair. Its not enough they allow Those People to be in Congress, now they are letting them be judges! To make it worse, My President appointed this judge! I use to think My President was a good conservative, now I’m not sure. A good conservative wouldn’t appoint one of Those People as a federal judge. The librul Democrats do it, but not good Republicans. Now I know why Libby will be going to prison for so long. The judge was getting back at Libby for being a good conservative!
The librul Democrats are big cowards for not debating on Fox News. I get mad when I watch CNN or one of the other cable channels. They don’t say nothing bad about Democrats. They just give the news and leave it at that. But Fox News tells me what I want to hear. They don’t make no bones about hating libruls and loving Republicans. They come right out and give the Right opinion while they are giving the news. When you got people like Hannity and Orally on and maybe a kind of token idiot like Colmes to look bad and be made fun of, you get the kind of news you like to hear.
I bet if the librul Democrats got on Fox News they would get some real zingers as questions. Like “How come you’re a homo-loving commie that wants to raise our taxes and surrender and see all the gays get married to each other?” I would pay extra to see something like that.
I’ll sign off now. I’m just too mad to think straight. Maybe other people that think like me but are more polite about it can take over. Like Van or this RCH guy or jbmlaw or tftt or whatever he calls hisself these days.
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this
Serious question to our leftist friends, saw something today that said Richardson looked terrible on Meet the Press and then crashed and burned on the debates last week. I kinda thought he looked like the best potential Dem candidate – what happened? Was it really that bad?
By catlady
June 7, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, did you say “leftist friends”?
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
Dear catlady @ 9:21, of course. Our friend Southern Democrat would be willing to explain, but we merely disagree on political stuff, there is no hatred there. At risk of feeding the flames of the topic (“stereotyping”) today, “some of my best friends are Leftists.”
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Dear catlady @ 9:21, I assume you are not as old as Mr. Wooten or Southern Democrat or Midsouth Philosopher or me, and this may sound totally incredible to you, but there was a time when “spirited debate” did not mean “poisoning the well.” Among the leftists, Hubert Humphrey was often called the “Happy Warrior” – he did not flinch from his world views in debate, and he was not above mocking his opponents, but he was never unpleasant. Same with Barry Goldwater. It was a different world then, some political people still had a sense of humor. Excluding Ronaldus Maximus, I don’t suppose there has been president since Kennedy who had humor in his soul.
By clint
June 7, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
I heard the first apology live and I can tell you it was WAAAAY less than half-hearted. Here it is:
“Yesterday at this time, news of the indictment of Congressman William Jefferson came down. We mistakenly ran the wrong video to accompany this story and we apologize for that error,”
The 10-second apology made no reference to Mr. Conyers and did not explain why or how the erroneous video made it to air. This was not the first time FOX has run the “wrong” video of an African American, causing a major issue. You would think a news organization that thinks it rules the airwaves would hire a producer smart enough to know the difference between Congressmen Jefferson and Conyers. I don’t work in news and I know the difference. How hard can it be?
By RCH
June 7, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
NoMaus Faux Check your ratings. There has been a small drop but they still far exceed CNN.
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
Dear Clint @ 9:33, suppose, hypothetically, that CNN ran a screen shot saying “Bush Resigns” just as the president appears on screen, then never thereafter explained on air why or how the erroneous label appeared. Would you affirm that a news organization that thinks it rules the airwaves would hire a producer smart enough to know the difference? http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/cnninternationalchyronbushresigns_58889.asp
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
Dear catlady, Joe Klein – not a conservative – writes an essay on the topic of civility in politics today – I just discovered the following link on Drudge – http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1630004,00.html
By RCH
June 7, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw* This sort of thing happens every day on news shows. Watch WSB and you will see it all the time. When this happens they simply apologies for the error and move on. Because FOX tends to viewed as a **conservative, right-wing, Republican news organization, they are an easy target to smear.
By Me!
June 7, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
Yeah, black folks all look alike. Just look at Beyonce’. She is the spitting image of Condoleeza Rice. Yeah right! Why do white people say that? I don’t get it.
By sunshine608
June 7, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
The Dems boycotting the Fox debate is not about dems v. reps or liberal vs. conservative, or at least it didn’t start out that way. This boycott is all about race and the idea the Fox is racist and they way it portrays blacks.
“It is wrong for Black leaders to legitimize FOX — a network that calls Black churches a cult, implies that Senator Barack Obama is a terrorist, and uses the solemn occasion of Coretta Scott King’s funeral to call Black leaders “racist.” The Congressional Black Caucus Institute must end their partnership with FOX, and presidential candidates should reject the FOX debate in favor of the CBC Institute’s CNN debate. Signed, [Your name]
http://www.colorofchange.org/cbci/
By rnm
June 7, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Jim is right in that an apology is an apology. However, given their record of misidentifying Democrats (it has happened many many times folks and never in favor the Democrat involved), Fox News appears to either have an agenda to put out misinformation or they are incredibly sloppy in their work — either is unacceptable.
By twk
June 7, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
If they had mistaken GWB for Bozo the clown, which is entirely possilble, the wing-nuts and Fox would go nuts, give up on this holier than thou garbage. Can’t conservatives ever tell the truth.
By RCH
June 7, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
sunshine608 I knew the race card would eventually be played on this. It will also be played at the trial of Mr. Jefferson. I guess he forgot about the $90,000 in the freezer. Now that’s cold hard cash.
By lazermike
June 7, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
Wooten is ridiculous. The first “apology” was a non-apology, as Clint wrote: It apologized to viewers for a production error and did not (a) explain to viewers that the person shown was not the indicted congressman that was the subject of the story; or (b) apologize to Rep. Conyers, who is well within his rights to be upset. If the AJC ran a picture of an innocent person along a story about a criminal, I hope its correction would be more like Fox’s second apology, and I hope Jim would agree.
Fox’s explanation for the error is a reasonable one. But an innocent error does not mean corrective action isn’t needed. Also, after Fox labeled Barack Obama as “Osama” and Mark Foley as “D-Fla,” I’m starting to wonder about their “innocent mistake” explanation every time.
By rnm
June 7, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw — I can’t believe you are actually referring people to Drudge. That is NOT real news. I wrote that wacko site off years ago when they ran a “news article” on Bill Clinton’s love child and the photo on the site was clearly a photo of a young Gary Coleman aka Arnold.
By RCH
June 7, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
lazermike I have seen these mistakes many times on different news productions. A simple apology is normally all you see. Also, I normally see retractions by the AJC on the inside of the first page in the very corner in small print. Correct me if I am wrong Jim.
By J
June 7, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Says RCH: “This sort of thing happens every day on news shows.”
Yet, for some reason, it seems to happen a lot more often on Fox News. Usually in a way that’s bad for Democrats. Coincidence?
I’ll report, you can decide: http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/03/fox-news-at-its-finest.html
Simply put, this sort of thing happens so often that just calling it a ‘mistake’ is a stretch at best. Especially when it’s accompanied by such a lame, half-@ss ‘apology’.
It’s well, well past time someone called Fox out on this crap.
By getalife
June 7, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
Hell as frozen over again.
They do this crap all time to feed the ignorant base
Don’t watch and it will go away.
By deegee
June 7, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
For the second time, more Fox viewers view Fox talking about the debates than watch the debates real time. What a bunch of dimwits.
June 5th - http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/thescoreboardtuesdayjune5_60502.asp#more
May 4th - FLASH: FOXNEWS O’REILLY TOPS MSNBC GOP DEBATE FOR NIGHT… O’REILLY PULLS 2,314,000 VIEWERS… DEBATE SCORES 1,762,000… [DEM DEBATE WEEK BEFORE HIT 2,261,000]… FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES AT 1,548,000… MORE
ACTUAL DEBATE COVERAGE: 8-9:30PM:
FNC 2,023,000 MSNBC 1,762,000 CNN 599,000
More people watched FOXNEWS TALKING about debate than the actual DEBATE!
By RCH
June 7, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
Well J I heard a news cast about Saddam Hussein while they were showing a picture if George Bush. Was there an apology? Yeah right.
By J
June 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Hey, let’s not forget that Fox internal memo from November: “Be On The Lookout For Any Statements From The Iraqi Insurgents…Thrilled At The Prospect Of A Dem Controlled Congress”
I’m sure that was just a mistake, too.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
June 7, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
Truth Hurts nails it - no one made Faux apologize, they are just a bunch of loudmouthed candyas-ses.
Cowards.
Just like the Woo-ten Klanners. Whiny spineless swine.
We, The Pope, have spoken. Amen.
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
In all seriousness John bigot Conyers, given that he’s actually still a congressman, is as thick and inarticulate as two short planks, just watch him talking live on TV and this is blindingly obvious, Indeed this sullen leftist professional black moron has all the charm and charisma of an ageing puff adder. Conyers has a persona that constantly exudes sullenness. Conyers is very nearly as dim and stupid as Maxine dumbarse Waters. But stating the obvious is politically incorrect.
Who cares they made this honest, very trivial mistake. Fox News simply attempted to be polite and make a good faith correction, and unsurprisingly have fallen victim to the evils and crassness of race based political correctness. Given the usual pathetic black hypersensitivity to any such minor inconsequential matter which magically is magnified at least a thousand times if seen on Fox, but yet if seen on the almost viewerless PMSNBC or the fading fast on the equally Bush hating CNN this really meaningless minor error would have been lost in the mists of such a small audience. Just like Imus’ moronic remark about nappy headed h os ordinarily would have been, but for the usual shrill hypocritical black bigots cynically using it to get back on TV for a few hate filled days.
This Katrina type storm in a teacup is so typical of the vile black congressional caucus who never ever shrink from racebaiting. Its freaking hilarious to note that this non event has - temporarily - allowed the corrupt to the core black lA congressman now indicted for actual crimes, unlike Libby, to escape some of the richly deserved media attention his wholly expected crimes warrant.
Just one more sickening example of how leftist blacks and their vile white liberal enablers abuse and twist anything they can to screech racism.
Contrast the sullen dumb as sh!t Conyers and Waters with sparkling articulate bright highly intelligent blacks like Larry Elder, Niger Innis, Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, Secretary Rice et al.
By J
June 7, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
RCH - were they identifying GWB as Saddam Hussein? Seriously, if you mistake the two, you probably shouldn’t be allowed to watch television unsupervised, anyway…
Seeing the defining issue of W’s presidency has been the invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam Hussein, I don’t think there’s anything untowards about that. I mean, there’s more than just a casual link, and you can’t argue that “they all look alike” in that case.
You’re grasping at straws there.
FYI #1: John Conyers and William Jefferson look nothing like one another.
FYI #2: I’ve wanted William Jefferson to resign from the cash-in-the-freezer moment onwards, so don’t give me any double-standard crap. If he’s guilty (he’s innocent until…well, I think we all assume he’s going to be found guilty at some point…), then he should go to prison like other lawbreakers. You know, like Scooter Libby. And Duke Cunningham. And like Rep. Doolittle should, if he is indeed guilty (and it’s not looking good for him, either).
Bleat along with me, Republicans: “Rule of law! Rule of law!”
(For some reason, many of you seem to have forgotten that phrase after Clinton left office…can’t figure out why…)
By Curious Observer
June 7, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
It’s time to acknowledge that Fox News coverage is the most blatantly political of all. I too have seen those Fox “mistakes,” and J is right in observing that those “mistakes” almost always cast Democrats in a bad light. And Fox cannot seem to report the news without putting a right-wing slant on it. If Fox were to report the second coming of Jesus Christ, somehow the report would include an observation that Hillary Clinton was especially fearful of the event because she had voted for yada yada yada.
What is particularly grating is the continuing boast of “We report, you decide” as though the viewing audience is being given no help in forming an opinion. Only an idiot could fail to pick up on what Fox News thinks he should decide.
Equally obnoxious is Fox News’ practice of forming supposedly objective panels to discuss current events. Those panels consist of three or four rabid conservatives matched up against a single liberal. Some objectivity!
It is true that Fox outdraws other cable news networks—and it does so for one reason: partisan conservatives get to hear exactly what they want to believe, while more sensible people form their opinions without the help of cable news shows. But as you will learn in November 2008, the Fox News viewers form a very small minority of the total voting population.
By **Into Each Life a Little Rain Must Fall**
June 7, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
Re: Sunshine608
Sunny, the issue is race & culture. Most white folks prefer their culture & race to their perception of Amercian black culture. Most of their related actions spring from these preferences.
Now, in most individual decisions, it’s not wrong nor illegal to prefer one race or culture over another or to see one as “a better way.”
Question is: how are Americans going to get along given our preferences, i.e., how are we going to “keep the wars small.”
Answer: politics, but boy it s*cks sometimes.
By White guy in ATL
June 7, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Wow. It sure doesn’t take much for the racists to come out of the woodwork in Georgia! You must be very proud of the company you keep Mr. Wooten. It looks like the KKK is writing in support of your crass and useless argument. So Conyers was p** off… So FOX made a mistake… So what? But your “discussion” here says more than anything about the underlying hatred that exists in Georgia. What a sad sad sad state. You should all be ashamed.
By Keyboard Warrior
June 7, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Responding to Jim Wooten, one mistake is easy to make. But, Fox News has a pattern of making such “mistakes” — and Mr. Wooten knows it.
The reason that people (not just liberals) believe Fox News is associated with conservatives (so-called) is because Fox is associated with conservatives (so-called). They’re not fair and balanced — they’re propaganda.
By the way — CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are not liberal either — not by any stretch. DOW numbers are displayed daily, and GDP, trade numbers and other business statistics are reported on regularly. But, where are the regular reports on poverty rates, infant mortality rates, violent crime rates, effective tax rates, abortion rates, teen pregnancy rates, dropout/graduation rates and other metrics that matter? Such information (and other info important to voters) is reported sporadically, if at all, and usually only in passing by the major news networks.
No. If we want to be informed, we can’t rely on Fox, CNN or Katie Couric. We also have to go to PBS, NPR, BBC and many others (e.g. only USA Today reported on ridiculousness of the claims that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear capability — the “liberal” New York Times was complicit).
By RCH
June 7, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
J Well your right. William Jefferson and John Conyers look nothing alike. So as you say an informed news watcher would know that this is a mistake and take the apology with a grain of salt. Whats the big deal.Are there no bigger news stories out there, or will this overshadow the actual story. Come on J. We know what this is all about don’t we?
By LeftistLiberalScum
June 7, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Don’t Think Right Or Left - Think Journalistic Integrity:
1st “Apology”: “Yesterday at this time, news of the indictment of Congressman William Jefferson came down. We mistakenly ran the wrong video to accompany this story and we apologize for that error.”
Who is she apologizing to? What is she apologizing for? Basic journalism.
By Van
June 7, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
Curious Observer,
Talk about blatant bias!!
Your obvious slant is too apparent.
There is only one reason FOX out outdraws the other cable news shows, it is better - period.
To hear you squeal, it is because all the right wing nut cases hear what they want, I guess that means there are more right wing nuts than left wing nuts.
That means you are no longer main stream.
I happen to watch CNN Headlines and FOX News - and yes, I find that as a pure news show, Headline is good, but FOX is better at what it does best, give the news, have a good line up of various talents(left and right), FOX has the best look news babes around, and it makes it entertaining.
No one in their right mind would call Greta Van Susteren a right winger and ever since CNN hired Paula Zahn from FOX, she is not a left winger.
Since the left is famed for its tolerance of different points of view, I can only guess out FAR left you really are.
By GOD OF WAR
June 7, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
Only cowards use anoymous. So racebaiter, in order for someone of color to be smart they have to be an Uncle Tom, Oreo, “Smart Talking or Well Spoken” Person of color. You forgot Clarence Thomas. All those people you mentioned arent black. (See Dave Chappell’s Race Draft)
By J
June 7, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
RCH - I will most certainly grant you that there ARE more important things out there than this issue. However, you have to look at this in the grand scheme of things.
Little Fox slip-ups here and there don’t, by themselves, really change anything. But, in the aggregate, along with blatantly tilted news coverage, these things add up to framing the overall political environment in an obvious way.
Anyone who deals with politics regularly will tell you that the key to prevailing on any single issue is successfully framing said issue before the debate can begin.
Thus, when Dems can’t argue effectively about terrorism because they’ve already been broadly painted (smeared) as being “soft” on terrorism and spend all their time having to refute that non-truth, the issue has been framed in a way that Repubs can automatically ‘win’.
I could go on forever here, but frankly it’s not worth my time…but you get the idea…
By deegee
June 7, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
My elderly parents keep Fox News channel on almost constantly whether they are watching it or not. Every time I went over there during the first part of this year they were running footage of Anna Nicole Smith. Even my dad with his dementia wondered why the news is so full of Playboy bunnies.
By GOD OF WAR
June 7, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
Only cowards use anoymous. So racebaiter, in order for someone of color to be smart they have to be an Uncle Tom, Oreo, “Smart Talking or Well Spoken” Person of color. You forgot Clarence Thomas. All those people you mentioned arent black. (See Dave Chappell’s Race Draft)
By DebbieDoRight
June 7, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
If they had mistaken GWB for Bozo the clown, which is entirely possilble, the wing-nuts and Fox would go nuts, give up on this holier than thou garbage. Can’t conservatives ever tell the truth.
ROFLMAO!!! too funny!!! And NO ConServ-A-Trons can’t even spell truth.
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FRom RCH — June 7, 2007 10:14 AM — sunshine608 I knew the race card would eventually be played on this
So speaks the person who has a full DECK of race cards he can’t wait to play. Watch out folks in about ten minutes he’s gonna start talking about Mexicans and illegal immigration and amnesty and……..
By pandering to white alcoholic drug abusing rich sluts
June 7, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Just discovered that the sluttish brattish airhead P Hilton has been freed from jail after barely THREE FREAKING DAYS!!!
Obviously its drug/alcohol withdrawal symptons. Funny how poor folks have to endure this in jail and this rich white b itch gets to swap a 96 sq ft cell for a nearly 4000 sq ft mansion. The gutless scujm at the LA jail refused to say why this happened. This kind of house arrest would be like a luxury holiday for most ordinary folks in jail!!
Lets hope this vapid self absorbed rich white airhead b itch swiftly commits a more serious crime that can’t be so easily dealt with!!! Or better yet goes out to a night club during this sick joke house arrest!!
By deegee
June 7, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Van for confirming what I already suspected. Fox gears it’s programming to those that think more often with the little head than the big one.
By DebbieDoRight
June 7, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
To hear you squeal, it is because all the right wing nut cases hear what they want, I guess that means there are more right wing nuts than left wing nuts.
By Jove I think He’s Got it!!!!
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
June 7, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Jim,
It’s all so tired. So very tired.
Republicans good.
Democrats bad.
Fox fair and balanced.
Everyone else communist.
It’s all so very tired, this song and dance you do.
By DebbieDoRight
June 7, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Outsource Jim Wooten’s Column To India!!!
By J
June 7, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
Hey, Van and Dusty should totally hook up! I mean, the have SO MUCH in common they’re PERFECT for each other: total obliviousness to reality, nonstop parroting of ridiculous talking points, refusal to actually debate anyone in a serious manner, name calling…
Hey, where is Dusty? I was looking forward to shutting her up today…I would say that maybe she got tired of getting beat on every time she pokes her head up with something stupid to say, but she seems to enjoy being the mental midget of this thread…
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
Who the fook is dave chappell?
Clarence Thomas is truly a giant amongst jurists. My list was only very very brief, designed to make the unassailable point that the sullen mostly quite dim and stupid often racebaiting black con caucus are ALWAYS massively outshined by so much smarter articulate blacks from all walks of life.
it seems you are as dim and witless as conyers and waters … my use of anonymous black racebaiters was deliberately ironic sardonic humour you sad oafish twonk!!
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
@ crackpipe debbie
now if they had quite naturally and innocently mistaken you for say a sad racist bedraggled bed ridden haggish chimp that would have been freaking hilarious!!!
By Curious Observer
June 7, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
I knew it wouldn’t be long until the spittle-splattered fanatics started ranting about Paris Hilton’s release to home confinement.
It’s funny how they talk about Law and Order and giving the longest jail sentences possible when the defendant is someone they dislike. But let their Law and Order obsession be applied to someone like Scooter Libby, and it’s let’s pardon him immediately—such an injustice, etc. I find it deliciously ironic that one of the strongest advocates of the neocons’ law-and-order obsession should himself become a victim of it—sort of like the inventor of the bronze bull as an execution device who became the first person broiled alive in it.
Our jails and prisons are already full to overflowing. An airhead like Paris Hilton doesn’t need to be adding to the problem. Neither is this Wilson kid, convicted of a crime that’s no longer a crime in Georgia. The neocons are big on the “lock ‘em up and throw away the key” solution to all forms of crime, but they don’t want to pay the taxes necessary to implement that solution. In truth, the conservatives’ eye-for-an-eye view of criminal justice is a perversion, perhaps a symptom of a deep-seated sexual problem.
You can be assured that Paris Hilton is being charged an outrageous amount for the ankle monitor she wears. And although the rabid conservative thirst for the ultimate revenge may have been frustrated in her case, locking such people up does nothing to help resolve the criminal justice problems we have. We don’t solve anything by taking a “we’re more powerful than you” position. Perhaps the advocates of the lock-em-all-up solution would have been happier in 18th Century England, where there were more than a hundred hanging offenses. They certainly have no place in a civilized society.
By Van
June 7, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
deegee,
Your right, I guess that is why there are so few ugly people on the TV these days.
By Larry B.
June 7, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw at 9:57,
A person who regularly applies the terms “leftists” (associating anybody who has an honest disagreement about such things as minimum wage and global warming with Stalin) and “moonbats” is in no position to be lecturing others on civility in politics.
As Camus recently observed, your lack of self-awareness is conspicuous.
By Van
June 7, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
J,
While that might play in the liberal neighborhoods, we do not do that in the RED part of Georgia. We tend to stay with our respective spouses.
While the left might hop around in and out of various relationships, we tend to be more stable - but thanks for the thought.
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
Damn shame that the 18th Century English hangers didn’t get your ancestors pinkocretinousobserver, we might all have been spared your unremitting execrable gobsh!te!!! Talking of “deep seated sexual problems” as you did - how’s it going with your own sick sexual perversions -billy goats and Monica Blewinsky knee pads isn’t it?
Your desperate abject lies about Fox this morning were superbly hilarious. Cheers for that!!
Libby was guilty of NO crimes, he didn’t leak a damn thing. The lying far left scumbag Plames lied and lied about their cynical money making role in a worthless meaningless fuss about absolutely NOTHING!!!
Thanks for biting - yet again - so nicely bubbaturd!!!
By Rod
June 7, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
HA HA HA HA!!!
You think Fox news is “Fair and balanced?” Shows what a moron you are. Fox is nothing but the Murdock Republican machine.
Anyone who doesn’t know that is an idiot.
By DebbieDoRight
June 7, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
JUST IN!! Always wondered what TFTT/racebaiter/psycho/rotten tooth brit actually looked like? Picture below. Enjoy!!
http://bp0.blogger.com/_ahuvxRitU74/RkR8dh8wg7I/AAAAAAAACT0/AjrQBGyCKuM/s1600-h/camillamotorizada.jpg
By Scholar
June 7, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
Now this is a REAL blog!
By DebbieDoRight
June 7, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Ooops!! Forgot the story behind the picture of TFTT/Crazy Joe/RaceBaiter/et al. His mother would’ve been so proud!! See link below!!
The 42 year old Antonio Navarro, who is 95% disabled, and who drives and controls his motorised bed with his mouth, had got drunk and was intending to visit ‘Jade’ a local hoehouse, but took a wrong turning off a local roundabout
By Missy
June 7, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
When I watch Fox News, my television actually tilts to the right.
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
snivelling moron rod is back!!!
did you also get caught by a federal TB isolation order??
hope your welfare funded drugs proved only capable of preventing the contagious aspect of the disease!!!
Murdoch has actually supported HitLLary up there in New Yaaawkkkk City snivelling moron rod. Murdoch is hardly a republican, he’s a hard nosed aussie with a yank passport!!!
see how moron rod’s lies are so easily exposed:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml
By DebbieDoRight
June 7, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN!!!: Panda Blog Gets More Hits Per Day Then Jim Wooten’s Blog All Week!!
Go Panda!!!
By Scholar
June 7, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe all of the talent and genius political thought that is being wasted on this blog! Oh the wasted, biting, satirical wit! Oh merciful gods of creativity, why do you let such opulence of thought go to waste? What are you all doing here wasting your brilliance when you all obviously should be running for political office or working in a political think tank? Get out from behind that crumb-encrusted keyboard, change your shirt and get to Washington. The nation needs each and everyone one of you!
By J
June 7, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Van - thanks, but you can save the moralistic, sanctity-of-marriage lecture for someone who needs it.
Like, oh, say, Newt Gingrich. Or Rudy Giuliani. Or Rush Limbaugh. Or Dan Burton. Or Henry Hyde. Or John McCain. (Yes, John McCain, though that was a while ago…)
Personally, I’m engaged to be married in just a few months, and I wouldn’t ever cheat on her (because if I could/would cheat on her, then I wouldn’t marry her).
By Van
June 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
I guess all this ranting about FOX news is because, once again, just like in talk radio, they are being overshadowed by the more conservative media.
Why do you think Air America tanked so quick? Why do you think there are so few left leaning radio shows? Why do you think the more conservative book writers are better know and read?
The progressive left leaning rants are falling on deaf ears, the old message that the government is the best thing for the village has lost its appeal.
While the conservative crowd is more into self reliance and going it alone, I pay for my health care and do not rely on others to pay for me, as an example.
Another item that will send the left into a foaming rant is the lack of a moral anchor.
The left seems to believe that anything is okay as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone.
The more conservative group believes there are boundaries to good and bad behavior. Not what is legal and ethical, but what is moral.
Anyway, the whole gist is the old left leaning mantra is passé and out of date.
By Adam
June 7, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
rnm @ 10:18 reacts to jbmlaw’s reference to the Klein article in Time Magazine with typical leftwing hysteria that he linked via Drudge.
Nothing can touch the irony here. Klein writes about the irrational Left and their insistence that everything be viewed through the lens of Political Correctness. Then this goofball rnm wants to discredit it because it was linked via Drudge.
Hey dummy, it is a TIME article, not the opinion of Drudge.
By HAROLD
June 7, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
IF HE WANTED THEM WHITE FOLK TO KNOW WHO HE WAS, HE SHOULD OF BEEN WEARING HIS LAPEL PIN!
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Dear lazermike @ 10:15, actually I think it was Ted Kennedy who first called Mr. Obama “Osama.” Of course, since then, all us conservatives have embraced that mockery. I am not sure whether we are mostly mocking a drunkard or a man with an unfortunate name.
Dear rnm @ 10:18, I would not hold you to the precision standards embraced by CNN or Fox, but the “referral” I made was to Time magazine’s website; I merely found the link on Drudge, as I said in my post. Of course, everything you said about Drudge, and worse, is true of Time. I can appreciate your distrust of the leftists out there.
Dear deegee @ 10:28, actually there are a lot of us who suggest that people who watch Democrats debate are dimwits, and that people who instead drool and watch paint dry exhibit greater intellect.
Dear LarryB @ 11:45, we observed long ago that the collectivists in our society dislike being collectivized themselves. Further, every term the collectivists have ever used to describe themselves has fallen into disrepute quickly, so great is the opprobrium attached to their coercive policies. Thus, we cannot call you a Socialist (perfectly respectable term in the 1920s), a Progressive (perfectly respectable term in the 1940s), or a Liberal (perfectly respectable term in the 1960s.) Every term you embrace for yourself becomes a cuss word. Nevertheless, I’ll bite; what term would you have me use to describe yourself and your fellow travelers? I’ll agree that one of us is seemingly defective in self-awareness, but I’ll allow you to prove it is not you.
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
Dear Adam @ 12:08, you beat me on the draw, and you said it better than I. My compliments.
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
here’s the latest picture of crackpipe debbie … note its wearing a pink hat that covers much of its severely deformed head and it isn’t very black … - it just continuosly lies about its race as its obsessed about one day, when medical technology allows, becoming black!
http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/ugly-people-374.htm
By .
June 7, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
@ Van
My dad can beat up your dad.
My house is more expensive than your house.
My wife is prettier than your wife.
I make more money than you do.
And finally…my penis is bigger than yours.
That’s exactly what you sound like, dude. It’s hilarious…
By melo
June 7, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
If I had regular cable television and ever watched television news, I would probably watch Fox News since they are somewhat less leftist than the seven sisters.JBMLAW Typical example of Conservative Closed Minds. You do not watch news and have no cable(by your own admission)but feel knowledgeable enough to conclude about the leftist or right leanings of CNN or FOX. How ignorant does it get?!!!!!!!
Its the same thing with your(Conservatives) attitudes concerning gays,global warming or science and evolution. You do not care about studies, science or anything with LOGIC. You care about UNSCIENTIFIC BELIEFS PULEEEEZE!!!
By J
June 7, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Van: I wouldn’t go too far in generalizing about red-staters and divorce if I were you.
I refer you to the National Center for Health Statistics’ 2002 information regarding state-by-state divorce rates (ahttp://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/mar%26div.pdf). According to this, the states with the top 10 divorce rates (in declining order, rates per 1,000 in population) are: Nevada 7.1 Arkansas 6.2 Alabama 5.4 Wyoming 5.4 Idaho 5.3 Kentucky 5.2 West Virginia 5.2 Florida 5.1 Tennessee 5.1 Mississippi 4.9
Hmm, that looks like a pretty red lineup to me. I will place the caveat on this that California does not track divorce rates…I’d bet they’re in the top 10, and that’s definitely a blue state. Still, it looks like the “sanctity of marriage” isn’t as well respected in Republican-leaning states as some would like to pretend.
The two states with the lowest rates, at 2.5? Georgia and Massachusetts.
By Van
June 7, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Whoever this is
“My dad can beat up your dad.
My house is more expensive than your house.
My wife is prettier than your wife.
I make more money than you do.
And finally…my penis is bigger than yours.
That’s exactly what you sound like, dude. It’s hilarious…”
It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see that you do have a problem. There is help available and if you are poor, a leftie crack pipe smoking progressive socialist or just plain ignorant, someone else will pay for the treatment.
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Dear Melo @ 12:20, I understand your preference to receive your world view from those with blown-dry hair and little beneath – there are many like you. I am not one of you.
By jm
June 7, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
just like those Fox news captions labeling mark Foley as a democrat were a mistake. Fox news, fair and balanced and incorrect.
By .
June 7, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
Van doesn’t even get my joke, y’all! That’s even funnier!
By melo
June 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Anf Fox is FAIR AND BALANCED, when they cannot do a simple thing as to pick the correct video from a shelf.
Rednecks like JBMLAW AND JIM WOOTEN the DELUSION
Bring on the decayed old dotant, Fred Thompson. We hope he wins the primaries.
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Dear J @ 12:22, I respectfully suggest you may lie by omission, although I believe it may be inadvertent on your part. To support your thesis of abuse of the “sanctity of marriage” you would also have to include information of co-habitation without benefit of clergy. When conservatives discuss “sanctity of marriage” that is a significant component, and I perceive your true intent was to attempt to use a conservative principle as an offensive weapon against us.
By .
June 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Van doesn’t even get my joke, y’all! That’s even funnier!
By jbmlaw
June 7, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Dear blank space @ 12:29 and earlier, we all know epithets are the height of leftist humor. Thus you appreciate this great joke.
By Larry B.
June 7, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw at 12:11,
If you complain about civility in political discourse, then be the change you want to see. You’re an adult, and as such, you don’t need any help from me.
By .
June 7, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
Man, I didn’t even hit the post button twice OR the refresh button and it STILL posted twice. Dang!
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
jbm
what these witless leftist scum also SMUGLY IGNORE is the fairly recent, unwanted repugnant infestation of GA by countless lefty nasal whining yankkkee filth who move down here to escape:
punitive socialist style taxes,
the kind of loathsome human detritus John Rocker so astutely and ably described a few years ago
and to get warmer weather and better/bigger housing for their yankkkee dollars.
This explains why the divorce rate is higher in the south - because of the odious yankkkee interlopers and carpet baggers who have Klinton/Kennedy like morals.
By .
June 7, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
epithets? you mean like the one Van posted? Did you even notice?
By melo
June 7, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
there are many like you. I am not one of you.
I would’nt want to be like u either. At 80 something and spending whole days basking ur balls in the sun at the country club,what can a fossil like u whose mental capacity is bordering on dementia and alzheimers, if not a dinasouer(sp) have for me to admire?!!!
By River Rat
June 7, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
I wouldn’t have apologized the first time,they look very similar.
By getalife
June 7, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Wow, I am shocked.
The Dems voted no to cloture on the immigration bill.
By .
June 7, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
So, bra….what do you say about us born, bred, and fed southern libs, dude?
By SBenen
June 7, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Speaking of Fox News, in light of Rep. William Jefferson’s indictment, we’ve been hearing quite a bit from Fox News personalities about the culture of corruption now having infected both parties equally.
On the June 4 edition of Fox News’ Special Report with Brit Hume, Hume asked Roll Call editor Morton M. Kondracke whether the indictment “change[s] … the political equation” on the issue of corruption and whether it “deprive[s] the Democrats of [the] issue” and “help[s] the Republicans in their efforts to try to say, ‘Look, you know, they’re no different than we were?’ “
Hume’s ridiculous framing of the corruption as applying to both sides equally is to be expected — he is, after all, Fox News’ Brit Hume.
With regard to Democrats, we’re talking about one guy here. One. On the other hand, at least nine Republican members of Congress and Bush administration officials have either pleaded guilty, been convicted, or been indicted (Cunningham, Ney, DeLay, Safavian, Libby, Griles, Foggo, Crawford, and Korsmo), which doesn’t even include some low-ranking Republicans, such as Claude Allen, who was busted for shoplifting, or Mark Foley, whose interest in congressional pages is well documented.
For that matter, if we expand the circle a bit to include GOP lawmakers facing criminal investigations right now, the list finds six more (Doolittle, Lewis, Miller, Renzi, Burns, and Weldon), which doesn’t even include Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who appears to be of interest to FBI investigators right now.
And let’s also not forget how the competing parties reacted to corruption scandals in their midst.
Even before the indictment against Jefferson was issued, congressional Democrats spoke out against him, distanced themselves from him, and removed him from power committee assignments. The Democratic leadership made clear they had no tolerance for Jefferson’s alleged crimes, and pivoted off his indictment to introduce a massive new ethics reform measure.
And then there’s the GOP. When Cunningham was exposed, House Republicans defended him. When DeLay was about to be indicted, they considered changing their own rules to let him stay in the leadership. When Ney was investigated, they stood by him. Indeed, the standard Republican strategy was to blame prosecutors, blame the media, make excuses, and defend the accused.
Even now, none of the current lawmakers facing criminal investigations have been ostracized for what appears to be a series of scandalous decisions, while most of the party wants a pardon (amnesty?) for a convicted felon caught lying and obstructing justice in the Plame leak scandal.
Looking at the two parties, there’s simply no comparison.
By PreacherMan
June 7, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
By jbmlawWhen conservatives discuss “sanctity of marriage” that is a significant component, and I perceive your true intent was to attempt to use a conservative principle as an offensive weapon against us.
jbmlaw, are you speaking of the principle as practiced by Newt Gingrich and Rudy Guliani?
By Van
June 7, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Hey, Blank space -
What? You didn’t understand my humor?
By Description
June 7, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
That is why I fear the police. Many are no different from FOX news. We all fit the description.
By black racebaiters anonymous
June 7, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
So, bra….what do you say about us born, bred, and fed southern libs, dude?
With the least possible degree of respect I say
F OFF AND DIE!! :)
(huge lets goad lefty liberals smirk)
Seriously though its much more of a yanKKKee problem more than the small minority of backward anachronistic southern libs thang!! Repugnant as undoubtedly southern libs are, at least they kind of belong here!!!
to quote the old 10cc song off Sheet Music (albeit slightly out of context)
YanKKKees go home!!!
By Donald
June 7, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
black racebaiters,
I’m guessing that high school proved challenging for you.