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DEL.ICIO.USTrust lacking on border security
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The underlying problem, the insurmountable obstacle to embracing the immigration bill now before the U.S. Senate, is that people don’t trust Congress. Or the bureaucracy that will administer it. Or future administrations to honor the promises the bill makes.
Frankly, I’m ambivalent about the compromise. If the borders aren’t secured, it’s another in what will become a long line of amnesty grants. Our failure to secure them will continue to be interpreted, as it is now by the left, as an invitation to illegals. They won’t insist — they never have — that the borders be secured.
Instead, the blame will be assigned to a moving target: greedy corporatists unwilling to pay wages that would attract native-borns, a culture of conspicuous consumption dependent on cheap labor to build the houses and maintain the lifestyles we demand, or some other presumed sin that blames America for being a nation that invites and exploits desperately poor neighbors.
From that “it’s-our-fault” premise, it’s difficult to find good-faith agreement that, indeed, the provisions promising border security will, despite the triggering language that no temporary worker program can begin until border-security provisions are “funded, in place and operational,” which is not necessarily to say secure.
The ideal would be evidence that the problem of illegal entry is substantially fixed, thus making it possible to deal with a problem that’s not worsening. Once critical mass is reached, illegals become emboldened, as demonstrations for amnesty confirm, and politicians lose the will to enforce the law. It then becomes, as it is now, a debate about how best to avoid alienating a sizeable segment of current and future voters and whether they’ll vote Democrat or Republican.
The fact of border security and the fact of a biometrically secure identification card that employers are required to have on record would go a long way, for me at least, in accepting the amnesty provisions. Employers will be required to ask every job applicant for identification. For the citizen, it’s a Social Security card, a birth certificate or a passport — though the process of making Social Security cards useful for verification purposes is at least 18 months away. For the hireable immigrant, it’s the biometric identification card.
Clearly, employers should face stiff penalties for hiring illegals, as they do under the proposed bill, at $75,000 per illegal. “The employer enforcement in this bill is very strict,” says U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.). Under the existing system, employers can accept documents they strongly suspect to be forgeries without penalty by pretending not to have known.
Another concern is that while they are specifically not entitled to social service benefits beyond their Social Security contributions when they leave the country, this portion of the law won’t hold through a Democratic administration and Congress.
An analysis by Robert E. Rector and Christine Kim for the conservative Heritage Foundation notes that “current immigrants [both legal and illegal] have very low education levels … at least 50 percent, and perhaps 60 percent of illegal immigrant adults lack a high school degree.” They continue:
“The current immigration population … contains a disproportionate share of poorly educated individuals. These individuals will tend to have low wages, pay little in taxes, and receive above average levels of government benefits and services.”
Low skills equal high poverty. Such immigrant households received an average of $30,160 in benefits, including education, in 2004, researchers found. Total taxes paid was $10,573 per household. Over a 60-year life, the cost to taxpayers will exceed taxes collected by $1.2 million, researchers project.
When amnesty was granted in 1986, about 37 percent of the illegals went on to apply for citizenship.
Granted, this proposed legislation sets up a long process to citizenship and specifically does not make Z visa holders eligible for welfare, food stamps, free medical care, except in emergencies, or other social services. But you can be certain that incrementally those benefits will be made available and, morally, it’s hard to argue that those Z visa holders who spend a lifetime working beside citizens should be excluded from benefits granted to those in need. It’s not in the American nature to create a permanent caste system.
If the left and the right could sign a good-faith agreement that we’d support honest border enforcement now and in the future, a biometric ID card for noncitizens with workplace enforcement, and that we’d accept a social service and education system that treated citizens and noncitizens differently, amnesty could work.
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By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
What your house slaves and yard boys cost everybody else:
{{{Low skills equal high poverty. Such immigrant households received an average of $30,160 in benefits, including education, in 2004, researchers found. Total taxes paid was $10,573 per household. Over a 60-year life, the cost to taxpayers will exceed taxes collected by $1.2 million, researchers project.- Wooten, Urinal}}}
Americans are too stupid to think the “bargain” they get for the yard service is not costing them ten times as much in increased taxes and lost government services.
Blooming, unadulterated ignorance.
Lowering our standard of living, taking work away from natural born American citizens, handicapping our education and health care systems.
Why?
So you can save a few dollars on your slave labor?
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{{{THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE: Illegal students a fine investment, By Queen Pinko, Urinal.}}}
Not smart enough or too lazy to take a few simple steps to become legal citizens, yes, these kids are the future of America.
Geez.
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From the Urinal “Reader’s quotes of the week:”
History will prove Jimmy Carter to be far more relevant than President Bush could ever conceive.
What do you know, right on cue, proof as to why illegal immigrants seem like such geniuses in the Atlanta area.
Geez.
{{{NASA is in the market for commercial relationships and private capital as it gears up for its next manned missions to the moon. “That would make our life a lot easier,” said Neil Woodward, acting director of NASA’s Exploration Systems Mission Directorate.}}} Check this out, NASA has plenty of time and government funding to spend all their time scare mongering on “global warming,” even though no one asked them, but they need private money for space travel, which is their primary mission?
Geez.
Is this too much for these “geniuses” to even understand?
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By Ray
May 27, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this
For sure though, even if the amnesty goes through, they should never have more than 3/5 of a vote in any of our elections.
By WFC
May 27, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
I have such ambivalence on the topic of illegals for a number of reasons:
Does America make it so difficult to immigrate to our country that people lose hope? I don’t know.
How can I oppose people who are willing to come here and work their tails off at tough jobs? I’m of Irish heritage and have heard many “Irish need not apply” stories (even though we were “legal.”)
The Catholic Church’s prohibition of birth control contributes to the “illegals” problem. This is stupid beyond belief.
My tax money should not go to paying benefits to illegals. I saved for 20 years for my son’s education (started 4 years prior to his birth.) I’ve done my part.
People deserve a chance. That’s the whole idea of America.
By Mid-South Philosopher
May 27, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
70+years of pocket draining social programs championed by the Democrats. A decade and a half of tax breaks and other economic enhancements for the corporatists. A series of undeclared wars, under both Democrats and Republicans in the defense of the liberties of peoples who have no idea in hell what liberty is. Blatant lies from the highest leaders in the land ranging from, “Read my lips: no new taxes,” to “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”, all the way to “We know where the weapons of mass destruction are”, and we are suppose to put our trust in these losers?!?
There can be no debate that the corporatists want the cheap labor and the liberals want the herd votes.
Anytime two reformed drunks like Georgie Bush and Teddy Kennedy embrace the same idea, it ought to be examined an examined and examined.
By Sailor
May 27, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Andi/e is my sex slave - s/he hates competition.
By WFC
May 27, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
Dear Mid-South: I agee with much of what you say though you left out the elite Bush family ties with the oil industry, but none of your criticisms are caused by illegal immigrants.
By Dennis
May 27, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this
By Jim Wooten | Saturday, May 26, 2007, 10:06 PM “The underlying problem, the insurmountable obstacle to embracing the immigration bill now before the U.S. Senate, is that people don’t trust Congress.”
And rightly so. For the past six/sven years we have had a Republican led congress that has been nothing more than a rubber stamp Congress for the Bush administration. Republicans playing “Yeah zuh” and Democrats without any spine to stand up and be counted.
In fact, it’s the American people who stood up to the Republicans in the last election, not the Democrats.
As to the immigration issue, many of us know hard working immigrants probably both legal and illegal. But when all is said and done, the issue is money, not legal or illegal immigrants. And money will win out, wait, watch and see.
But because this issue is not popular with the American people (whose rights in this matter are never discussed) Congress will rubber stamp this issue as well and illegals will become legals.
Regarding Jim Wooten’s mention of a “biometric ID card”, it’s just a matter of time until we start implanting identification chips in baby’s butts as soon as they are born. “Terrorism” and “illegal immigration” will be the selling theme and Congress will rubber stamp that, too.
Congress is nothing more than a “parliment of w*******”.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By TW
May 27, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
Giuliani - “The anti-immigration issue that is now sweeping the country is in my view no different than the movements that swept the country in the past. You look back at the Chinese Exclusionary Act, or the Know-Knothing movement- these were movements that ecouraged Americans to fear foreigners, to fear something that is different, and to stop immigration.”
Suppose Falwell would have said God is burning South Georgia in an effort to root out the devil???? Or maybe that the devil is having himself a bit of a victory celebration down there????
By John Konop
May 27, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
Report critical of Bush immigration record
Why would President Bush start enforcing immigration laws after a new bill when he is not doing it now?
CNN-WASHINGTON (AP) — Immigration arrests under President Bush are “stagnant and unimpressive” despite massive increases in Border Patrol agents and other immigration enforcement measures imposed since 2000, a report found. Bush promoted border enforcement successes this week while pushing Congress for a comprehensive immigration policy overhaul. But the centrist private group Third Way questioned his record in a study released Thursday. It found that arrests and deportations are down almost 30 percent since the Clinton years.
“The decline in immigration enforcement has been steady, dramatic and long-standing,” said Jim Kessler, the group’s vice president for policy and a co-author of the report. “This may not be the cause of our illegal immigration crisis, but it has certainly contributed to it.”
READ MORE
http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/report-critical-of-bush-immigration-record
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
May 27, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
Greetings, silly pekkkerwoods and chickenhawks of the Woo-ten Klan, it is We your Pope, here in Vermont, some 35 miles from the Quebec border, a beautiful Spring day not wasted on you layabouts and no accounts hungover from your debaucheries of alcohol, crank, homosexuality, bestiality and sleeping with your mothers and sisters (and daddies and brothers, for sure).
Why do you heathen rage? In 2000 your champion, the worthless drunken coked-up wastrel spineless chickenhawk cheerleader was selected your pResident. Didn’t he vow to protect and serve - didn’t you re-select him in 2004? Didn’t you elect Goobernor Perdoofus, Sexby Chickenhawk Chambliss, Dick Less Cheney?
These clowns are your heroes, which shows Us how pathetic you are.
*Lord, on this Memorial Day weekend, deliver this country from the jackals, hyenas, illiterates and fools of the red states. Heal them - remove their arrogance, their ignorance, their inbred stupidity, their hate, their animal natures - their FEAR. Give them spines so they will no longer slither and crawl, that they can walk upright like human beings instead of vicious vacuous animals.
In Your Son the Prince of Peace’s (not redneck vengeance) Holy Name We decent folk pray.
Amen.*
By spaceman109
May 27, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
soooo….the report cited by john konop says that arrests and deportations are down by 30 percent since president bush the younger came to power.
yet there has been such a huge increase of the number of border security agents under bush the younger.
for the longest time before they took control of congress, conservatives fiercely insisted that problems could not be solved through more federal government spending.
oooooooooooooooooops.
i understand that many conservatives columnists ridicule the idea that there are jobs americans will not do.
i can think of at least one job americans will not do.
harvesting crops in the fields by hand!
white americans will not harvest by hand because they are too busy getting college educations so they can have cushy jobs in air-conditioned offices.
black americans will understandably not do that work because it reminds them too much of slavery.
soooo…when one throws out those two groups and one also throws out all the immigrants…who picks the crops?
and don’t tell me machines could do it since machines, for instance, cannot tell which strawberries are ripe and ready to be picked and which are not ripe. also, when a picking machine breaks down and is idle for very long owing to unavailability of repair technicians, crops are not going to stop ripening and patiently wait until the picking machine is fixed.
my last point, to paraphrase another blogger from earlier, about illegal immigrants: democrats crave the votes while republicans are desperate for the cheap labor.
By @@
May 27, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
Jim, I agree with your thoughts in today’s column up to, and until your last paragraph.
Border enforcement — Check
Biometric ID card — Check
Workplace enforcement — Check
Requirements on social services and education — Check
Signing a good-faith agreement? Are you talking about politicians in Washington Jim?
Let’s see now, a good-faith agreement in this instance would be me putting my money where their mouths are.
I’ve got a paper shredder here under my desk Jim. I have great faith in your sound judgment. I’m writing a check equal to the amount I pay in taxes each year.
O.K……now I’m putting it into “the mouth” of my paper shredder. Now I’m checking to see what came through on the other side…..
Oh chit Jim….you should be glad it wasn’t cash I ran through there. It’s in a million pieces, but I can just write VOID on my check copy.
No harm, no foul.
I’m just messin’ with you Jim and hoping that you’re having a great vacation.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
{{{By Mid-South Philosopher May 27, 2007 8:45 AM Anytime two reformed drunks like Georgie Bush and Teddy Kennedy embrace the same idea, it ought to be examined an examined and examined.}}}
When did drunken Swimmer Kennedy get “reformed?”
You may want to look into that a little closer, MSP.
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{{{By WFC May 27, 2007 8:35 AM The Catholic Church’s prohibition of birth control contributes to the “illegals” problem. This is stupid beyond belief.}}}
What a total clown.
The Catholic Church also frowns on adultery but that doesn’t seem to bother many illegals, seeing how 50 percent are born out of wedlock.
But they “religiously” don’t use birth control, yeah, right.
Stupid heretic, out on a Church rampage this morning.
From the same dolt:
{{{My tax money should not go to paying benefits to illegals. I saved for 20 years for my son’s education (started 4 years prior to his birth.) I’ve done my part.}}}
Your tax money does go to paying benefits for illegals and this amnesty legislation will make that problem twice as bad.
The day this legislation passes, these illegals are eligible for social security, welfare, medicare, education at the expense of property owners, every benefit that you have been paying taxes your whole adult life for is going to be handed over to a bunch of foreign house slaves and yard boys so that Bush and Kennedy can get more votes for their political parties.
You’re too much of a mouth breather to see it.
Both political parties are doing this to attract voters, both of them.
How does this benefit either?
Geez.
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By Van
May 27, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Don’t worry, in 1,000 years none of this will matter anyway.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
{{{By Pimp Racist - America’s Real Wanker May 27, 2007 9:35 AM Greetings, silly pekkkerwoods and chickenhawks of the Woo-ten Klan, it is We your Pope, here in Vermont, some 35 miles from the Quebec border}}}
Out for a spin on the horsey, pointy cap wearing mofo?
{{{“Vermont is one of ten states that have rejected Jessica’s Law, which imposes harsh prison terms on child predators. The law was beaten down by state representative Bill Lippert, who instead drove a law through that imposes just five years for child rapists.}}}
Always frisk the liberals first, hahaha.
{{{Job growth in Vermont is expected to be six-tenths of 1 percent this year and less than 1 percent for the next five years. Carr also said the housing market will be the biggest drain on the economy.}}}
Those monster tax rates got you down, dumbas-s?
Geez.
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By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
{{{Many antiwar activists and bloggers condemned the Democrats’ retreat and said their patience with party leadership was wearing thin. “That will make May 24, 2007, a dark day … when Democrats in Washington not only continued the war they promised to end, but happily went on record declaring that they believe in their hearts that government’s role is to ignore the will of the American people,” Mr. Sirota wrote. Democratic campaign strategist David Sirota wrote Friday on the left-wing Huffington Post Web site.}}}
The democrats lied?
And people died?
Geez.
Cowards.
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By getalife
May 27, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
My goodmess,
Jim has not accepted the reality of a one paty system for a corporate ran government.
There will be no border security. That gets in the way of free trade.
There will be amnesty with the same lack of enforcement.
“Let them eat cake”. Wait until you see the final bill. We, the people have been betrayed.
Geez.
By Ben
May 27, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
If someone paid me $23 an hour to pick fruit in a field, I’d do it in a second, and I have a graduate degree. So enough with this jobs Americans won’t do, it’s wages that are too low for Americans to accept. Get rid of the illegal labor, and they are forced to pay more, or they lose all their crop.
I agree with Wooten here. Secure the border first, show the American people you intend to follow existing laws. We can deal with current illegals after that.
By catlady
May 27, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
The question of citizenship for illegals is merely one of “Who pays?” Do the taxpayers pay by keeping the status quo (with the attendant expenses in medical care, education, etc) or by mass deportation, which will also be expensive? Do we pay by sealing the border effectively? Do we pay by continuing to subsidize employers who pay the minimum and let taxpayers pay the rest for their laborers? Or do the employers pay, with large fines and jail time until the message is understood? Do we pay by adopting the biometric ID, which, according to the AJC, is not used on the border anyway? And whose company (Halliburton, anyone?) will profit from adopting that ID? And if the latest amnesty bill is passed, will the $5000 per head of household do ANYTHING toward the real expenses incurred by a family of 8 with extended members of 12 or 14?
It looks like to me the taxpayers will continue to get hosed. So my solution, since I am paying for this, is to seal the borders and deport all except those who have enough skills to provide for their small families. It is sort of like gas prices: we are going to pay, no matter what the “excuse” or solution is. Those with American-born children can get them a passport (many of them get one right away to facilitate travel) and take them back to the parents’ home country until the child is able to live on their own.
The American people should refuse to okay any solution until the borders are sealed, with independent, unbiased verification. I don’t trust our current leadership to tell us the time of day truthfully, much less anything important.
The “family values” party certainly does not seem to value American families very much!
By getalife
May 27, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
Our one party government thinks there is a battle for immigrants to come here for cheap labor.
The more immigrants there are, the bigger the cheap labor workforce . Never a cheap labor workforce shortage.
That would hurt employer interest and we just can’t have that.
There needs to be a new American mind set, that corporate interests rule this country.
Your opinion does not mean anything.
By Give me all of your money!
May 27, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
New theme park and museum to join forces:
In Roswell, NM, UFO-themed amusement park, complete with an indoor roller coaster that would take passengers on a simulated alien abduction.
The Creation Museum, opening May 28, 2007, presents a “walk through history.” The promoter asserts that he can prove through science that the book of Genesis is true. All of it.
At the end of the tour you either get anally probed by human-looking aliens or you get to avoid eternal brimstone and pitchforks through the rapture (only available to those making a substantial financial “love offering”).
Incredible, how in this country, there is such a thriving market for the gullible and just plain stupid.
By Patriotic Foreskin
May 27, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
The Immigration Bill? The American People should trust future administrations to honor it like past administrations honored the land treaties with the Indian Tribes.
Americans dont trust their leaders, nor should they. Many presidents have acted like the constitution is not worth the blood-red ink it’s vetoed by.
We are now engaged in a great civil war testing whether America can long endure our constitution’s fine print, read between the lines like stealth Braille, from which hands-on jurists can glean the divine right of kings.
The grim irony is that the price of freedom is death. Today we remember all of those lasting, full measures of devotion.
It’s also fitting that we revere our old soldiers who never die, yet we stand in mute anguish over their fading power to add or detract from the business of war, while our tyrannic triumverate stands triumphant over the battered, but not yet bettered angels of our own divine rights to liberty.
I have watched all of Bush’s support evaporate one by one across all media. The talk radio hosts have run out of topics and they wander listlessly in the slack, silky seam of pureed pablum, (and Rosie Bashing). The immigration bill has saved them for now, but they’ve all quit Iraq. Now, they are reduced to clucking cliches about the global war on terror, and where the front lines of that gossamer goose egg lay.
So it is upon us! We now behold that long-predicted, hundred-years-occupation of chaos and denial. The only truth uttered by Bush in six years has been that we cant leave Iraq. (We cant ever leave, ever).
When the tipping point of the popular consensus of an accepted truth is reached and all heads align like a flock of birds suddenly changing direction, then any palace becomes an obsolete encrust for which no flag can buy refuge.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Take this approach, if you can’t beat them join them.
Start a business and hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor.
Stop working and make money.
Yes, it is slavery but hey, its easy.
Get with the program.
By catlady
May 27, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Oops! The family values party certainly does not seem to value American families very much EXCEPT FOR THEIR ABILITY/WILLINGNESS TO SUBSIDIZE OTHERS, SUCH AS CORPORATE INTERESTS, BIG BIZ, AND ILLEGAL ALIENS! It has to be willingness, right, because we keep on doing it, and nobody seems to listen to us when we timidly complain.
Not that the current crop of Democrats is much better—they seem to be willing to go along with any plan, no matter how misbegotten, that might ensure their dominance in subsequent elections. Well, I am tired of being lied to by all of them! (In their defense, at least the Dems don’t claim to be the “family values” party. That claim, given what has happened over the last decade with the lies, greed, malfeasance, ineptitude, influence pedalling, excuses, politically-based decisions and appointments/dismissals, galls like acid.
Non-negotiable: SEAL THE BORDERS. COMPLETELY. THEN, AND ONLY THEN, WILL WE DISCUSS THE NEXT STEP. If we demand this, it would be a matter of months and the border would be sealed (or, a matter of days if you are willing to take the Pres’ word for it). Because what the government is most interested in is WHAT COMES NEXT. ( How do we and our friends make a buck or two billion off of this?)
By jm
May 27, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
wow, the bill has penalties. Too bad (like the current system), no one will ever bother to enforce it.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
Take Jim’s job for instance. The AJC is throwing money away when they could hire a journalist from India at a tenth of the cost.
There is no talent involved in siding with corporate interests.
Wake up AJC and get with the program.
Geez.
By GLOBAL WARMING ALERT
May 27, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
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A list of cancelled Memorial Day events can be found at GeorgiaWarming.info
By spaceman109
May 27, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
ben says that if someone will pay him 23 dollars an hour to pick crops, he would do that in a second.
apparently he does not realize that such work is hot, dirty and intensely physical. the probability that he would last an entire 40-hour week under such conditions is very very low.
if 23 dollars an hour is what you are being paid now, you are actually trying to convince me that you would rather pick crops outside than be in an air-conditioned office?!? yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. rofl
and if farmers had to pay that kind of money to get crops picked, we would all be outraged!!! about the price of fruits and veggies at the store since those prices would be at least triple what they are now. an old saying: when you gripe about the farmer, don’t talk when your mouth is full.
catlady…you know that our southern border cannot be sealed; that would interfere with the free trade that us free-market folk value so highly :D
By Randy
May 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
I say nobody comes into this country until the sorry SOBs in D.C. decide how to fix the damn immigration mess they made. Lock the damn POLITICIANS in a room, withhold their pay until they come up with something AMERICANS can live with.
Sons of b***.
By carter
May 27, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
The border must be secured at any cost. Once the influxis stopped it will be easier to find a solution, Stevie Wonder can clearly see that the situation at hand is not acceptable, the taxpayer cannot afford the long term burden.
By catlady
May 27, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
spaceman, I know you are just jerking my chain in a good-humored way, but we are free marketing on GOODS not on LIVING HUMAN BEINGS, right? Right! P) Wink, wink, nod, nod.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
{{{By spaceman109 May 27, 2007 12:06 PM and if farmers had to pay that kind of money to get crops picked, we would all be outraged!!!}}}
We are paying 23 dollars an hour to get our fruit picked, you’re just to much of a dullard to see it.
Duh.
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{{{By catlady May 27, 2007 11:12 AM Non-negotiable: SEAL THE BORDERS. COMPLETELY. THEN, AND ONLY THEN, WILL WE DISCUSS THE NEXT STEP.}}}
Sealing the border is like pis-sing in the wind.
What ever we put up, they will find a way over it, around it or through it.
Workplace employment with verifiable information and heavy fines, you take a way the job opportunity for the illegal, they have no more reason to come here.
Plus it doesn’t cost a freaking thing to check their ID.
Geez.
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By Strengthen America
May 27, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
Deport 12 million republicans.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
The church of liberalism is now in session:
{{{All but the truest of true believers in the greenhouse-gas story privately admit that reducing CO2 cannot cool the climate. But this is not their aim. The global-warming story is only the means to convince a gullible public to pay higher taxes and relinquish more control over their lives to experts who will “save” them. The rush to put draconian emissions-measures in place quickly has an obvious political motive: When the climate again cools, environmentalists will claim credit for averting disaster. High taxes, artificially costly fuel, irreparable damage to our industrial base, reduced living standards, and arrested Third World development will be cited as the sure prescription for climate-stabilization.}}}
Can I get an amen, hahaha.
The climate priests want to exercise you, cast your spirit into the low CO2 emissions pit.
Geez.
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By Jerry Falwell is God
May 27, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Ode to Curls
And you rage and fume at the godless ones
Cause they don’t understand how the company runs
And they think it’s the money that you care about
You pretend to be offended when they figure it out
Tell me what kind of heaven do you think awaits
When your a* is too fat to fit the pearly gates?
It’s like the eye of a needle and a limosine
Paradise is set aside for the less obscene
You only care for the power that the lucre brings
And you have no love for any living thing, save Mammon
And you’d like to rub their face in it
Your god, your god
Even though you have no faith in it
Your god is Mammon, your god is dead
By getalife
May 27, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Estimados inmigrantes,
Quisiera invitarte a que vengas a New Orleans. Nuestro senador ha excavado en la ocupación para darte esta oportunidad de hacer el dinero para enviar detrás a casa.
Te damos la bienvenida con los brazos abiertos.
By ageofpaper
May 27, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Could you even see this junk going on in the 50’s? The corperations want global, so they must lower our standard of living and raise most of the worlds to get all the new customers. If all these workers from china and india, and south america are so great hows come thier own countries are so screwed up, they have had 100’s of years to get it right. Our problem is our strength, great diversity, hard to get everyone to agree, except now, as Japanese emperor said we have awoken a sleeping giant. Thanks to the ga senators
By ageofpaper
May 27, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
We must bring in illegal workers, Americans to lazy, to few workers, Yea that’s why the most successful companies, our former enemies opened their factories here, they could have opened them in Mex or China, but no, they moved here. They say Americans are great workers, dedicated, and smart. CEO’s so short sighted and greedy they do not look down the road, only as far as their wallets, they learn this from our great business schools.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
Ah can speak black too ya’ll. What yo name is gul? Da Democrats is good white folks and I sa gonna luv dem to da day I die. Sho is.
By catlady
May 27, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
I agree with you, WootenDull, about the idea of penalizing the employers. In my community, the largest employer has at least 80% of its workers that are illegal, but also employs a full time worker to help the workers “seem” legal. This company supposedly uses the checking system touted by the feds, but all it does is check to see if the ss number is valid, not if the person really is the person to whom the ss number belongs. The county forefathers will not demand that something be done, since the company is the largest employer around.
That the employees are hard working is not in dispute. Many of them have families—some more than one—and they do not cause trouble (except for DUI and accidents) and go to church. Also not in dispute is that most of their children are American citizens (we have little turnover here, just keep adding to the number of illegals, but almost no one moves away—why should they?)
But, WD, we also know that there will NEVER be meaningful enforcement of fines for employers because there is too much at stake.
By spaceman109
May 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
*{{{By spaceman109 May 27, 2007 12:06 PM and if farmers had to pay that kind of money to get crops picked, we would all be outraged!!!}}}
We are paying 23 dollars an hour to get our fruit picked, you’re just to much of a dullard to see it.*
wootendull…first of all, you did not use the entire paragraph which i typed. you only used part of it. that is the sort of behavior one would normally expect from a bleeding-heart liberal journalist.
secondly, i would agree that in essence we are already paying 23 dollars an hour to get crops picked. that 23 dollars is not direct pay, though. most of that is from usage of health-care facilities by the illegals and the farm subsidies which your heroes in the republican party did nothing to stop even when they had ample opportunity to do so.
your move.
By death to slimy liberal vermin
May 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
I see the happily hounded out of Georgia, now VT based child rapist rednekkks NAMBLA has puked up yet another envious bigoted embittered hissy fit about its conservative/southern betters.
NAMBLA - please kill yourself now and let us all rejoice for at least a split second at your utterly inconsequential passing. Pussfilled paedophile pu$$ies like you do not deserve to live amongst sophisticated educated folks, which is why you slithered off to the depraved liberal yanKKKee northern nirvana for child molestors in sicko VT.
See how easy it is to simply mirror back your hateful resentful bile in a witty productive way!!!
By Patriotic Foreskin
May 27, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
……..THE BROWN EMPLOYEE………
I was 30, on a cruise ship, and on the prowl. Venus was kind to me that day my friends, and by sunset, I was enjoying an apertiff with a voluptuous blonde on the open deck at the stern of the SS Wetness. We had the entire area to ourselves except for a brown employee, who was rearranging the deck chairs and wiping off tables. As he interrupted our view of the sunset for an instant, the object of my affections suddenly blurted out something about how brown skin never really looks clean. Suddenly the brown employee started dropping the chairs he was re-arranging by holding them five or six inches off the deck and just letting go, making an obnoxious protesting clank that ruined our conversation.
“I think he heard you”, I suggested. “Yeah, I guess he did”, she replied without being embarrassed.
My only defense for not apologizing to the man and walking away from certain sex was that I would have been walking away from certain sex.
After the cruise was over, I realized that the woman truly was a pig, and I have regretted that incident ever since. (I wish to god that I had shaken his hand and apologized for my crude companion).
Every American protest about the illegal immigrants is always accompanied by the conciliatory “But Mexicans are good people with excellent work ethics and hearts of gold”.
Trust me that Mexicans dont have a similar view of Americans. They know what we think about them, and they know they can never change our racism and fears.
Dont expect the Mexicans to be grateful for our amnesty.
By @@
May 27, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
This reminds me of John Kerry’s “our military is uneducated” comment.
Activists’ attorney: Ruling on West Point protest ‘a shame’
WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. — An attorney for Iraq war opponents barred from protesting Vice President Dick Cheney’s commencement speech at West Point said the event would end up presenting a one-sided perspective.
“Although the vice president is a political figure, he is also an incumbent official in the United States government,” the court wrote. “As such, his mere presence on campus to address members of the United States military on their graduation day does not convert the West Point campus into a public forum; nor does it serve as an open invitation for 1,000 or more outsiders to engage in freewheeling and potentially distracting (if not disruptive) acts of political expression.”
Bergstein said, “They wouldn’t have had any problems with us. I really don’t think anything bad would have happened if they’d done this.”
The shame is that the anti-war radicals think that they need to speak out to West Point graduates, as if the graduates are uninformed.
The shame is that the radical anti-war activists’ reputation precedes them. No….wait a minute….THAT turned out to be a good thing.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
What is the point of protesting this occupation?
It is permanent and there is no opposing party to stop it.
Onto Iran and a draft.
We need the oil and tax money distribution to keep the economy going.
Deal with it.
By eojrenbway
May 27, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Cheney at West Point? Sickening. Cheney supporters? Repulsive.
On this weekend when we remember our fallen heroes, let us pause to also remember the great elected American leaders of our time - FDR, Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy. Let us also hope that the days of electing the inept, immoral and incompetent - Johnson, Nixon, Reagan and Shrubs - are nearing an end.
By Midori
May 27, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
maybe John Kerry was referring to people like you, @@.
you don’t seem very educated.
P.S. — John Kerry never said the troops were “uneducated”.
another wingnut misdirection.
do you people do that even in your sleep?
By @@
May 27, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Here’s an interesting analysis on what the voter’s want.
Analysis: Change Vs Experience
WASHINGTON (AP) - Voters are torn between competing cravings: Change or experience in They are demanding something new, but there is comfort in the tried and true. The public’s low opinion of Washington and growing concern about the direction of the country point to 2008 being a “change” election, one like the campaigns of 1974 and 1992 when people looked for a marked departure from the status quo.
But the war in Iraq and the rise of global terrorism make for an anxious electorate and could turn this into a “war” election, one like the campaigns of 1944 and 2004 when voters found comfort in the most experienced candidates.
Change versus experience? The White House will likely go to the man or woman who speaks best to both.
The Republicans are looking better and better for ‘08. Promoting a change in their own party’s politics and standing firm on national security.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Actually @@, no party can claim “standing firm on national security” with open borders and breeding terrorists in the ME.
Total BS.
By Redneck Convert
May 27, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
Well, we was innerduced to our new preacher down at the Church of Holiness this morning. The Revrend Glen Dale Scruggs is real nice. He told us one of the things he plans to do is make up a list of people for us to vote for. People that will oppose abortion and welfare and Peach Care and stuff that wastes peoples tax money on Those People. After church I told him I planned to vote twicet again, once here in north Forysth and again up in Rome where I am still on the voter list. He told me that was fine, only I shouldn’t tell no one else and I should complain and tell everybody that Those People should have to show a photo ID card to vote. It will keep some of them home and they won’t be voting for libruls and more welfare.
Everybody knows no one will keep the Mexicans from crossing the border and they won’t stop hiring them for cheap labor, no matter what law they pass. It won’t be long before they get a drivers liscence legally and start taking all the beer truck driving and other high end jobs. Pretty soon us rednecks will have to ring the chickens necks and pick the crops and stuff like that ourselfs. Then there won’t be nobody we can look down on except Those People. I say vote this law down and round up all the illegals and take them back to Mexico. I will be willing to load 10 or 12 of them in my pickup and haul them back. Maybe 16 if some of them are kids. As many pickups as us Republicans have, we could probly haul them all back in short order.
I wish Wooten would kick this Pope guy off the blog. All he does is throw off on rednecks and make the state look like a bunch of hicks. Let him stay up there in Vermont and take away his PC. All a commie like him does with a PC is throw off on us good conservatives and try and make us look bad. Good riddance, I say.
Well, I got to get back to watching the Indy 500. We got plenty of beer and fried porkskins here at the trailer. My grand son little Sonny Zell George really likes the porkskins and we give him beer in a spoon oncet in a while. He needs to learn early how to be a redneck. I guess we need to wait till he has teeth before we give him any chewing tobacco. We are waiting for the 1st big wreck which are the most intrusting part of racing. Anyway, I’ll be checking back in Monday to see if everybody has the illegals problem solved.
By @@
May 27, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Well Midori, the troops thought differently.
You really do have a thang for Kerry don’t you? He’s all the man that he can be with you, a woman, coming to his defense every step of the way.
Getalife:
I am in agreement on your border comment.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
But you ignore the intell reports on increasing terrorism due to the occupation? Have you read about the ME lately?
Well, better than nothing I guess.
Geez.
By Patriotic Foreskin
May 27, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
I’ve noticed a certain degradation in the American People’s measurement of their own affluence. In the fifties, it was a mink coat; the sixties, a foreign car.
Now, we think somebody is rich if they accelerate briskly from a stoplight. “Gee, that guy must really have it made to depress the accelerator down that far, hell, I’ve seen slower starts at the salt flats. Someday…..someday…..”
(riff on gas prices for stand up comics. it’s a killer bit, so help yourselves and have fun. Remember, just talk, dont mug. Tomorrow night is open mike at the star bar. be there or no amnesty for comics. everyone should do stand up comedy. I SAID EVERYONE!!!)
I might be there.
By Michael H. Smith
May 27, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Good-faith, good-faith has never existed before in immigration policy and from all indications S1348 removes any possibility it ever shall, Mr. Wooten.
Had last years HR 4437, an enforcement bill only became law, possibly good-faith could have taken the first step in regaining the betrayed confidence of Georgians and the rest of America. Yesterday, in what surmises as an open letter written to all Georgians from Senators Chambliss and Isakson published in the AJC, it went nowhere to assure anyone good-faith had a reasonable chance of being re-established with Georgians and the rest of America. S 1348, should this bill become law, should it become the immigration policy of this nation going forward, not only will it legalize 12 to 20 million illegal aliens who broke the current immigration law of this country, it will in effect remove the word illegal from any future immigration dictionary, under various visas like *Z and other visa worker programs.
With promises, promises, that this time, with penalties of a cheaply bought yard sale amnesty, it will be different from the last wholesale amnesty. Promises of securing the border, which has never been done before, which now under S 1348 cuts the promises of 700 miles of border fence already written into law that it “shall be” built down to only around 300 miles, and the promises continue. Promises, fortified with triggers that nothing will happen, until this, that or the other is in place or is considered “operational”. Promises, that new visas will end illegal workers by simply allowing anyone who wants to work in the U.S., who can find some employer to hire them, can effectually remain through a visa renewal process; with the empirical evidence of a fully “operational” visa system that is for all intents and purposes totally dysfunctional producing a continuum of immigrants who do not leave in overstaying the lawful visa privilege extended to them under the confines of the law. Yes the promises, and with Congress and the President’s good friend trigger, they’ll march boldly onward to proclaim: Illegal immigration, what illegal immigration? Secure borders and ports, what borders? Internal enforcement, what crime, it simply cannot be found nor can it ever again exist, everything immigration is “operationally” legal now!
So it shall begin with handfuls of triggers and with boat loads of waivers the greatest of grand compromises will ensue, embarking upon the mother of all comprehensive entitlement programs. No wonder Senata Teddy Kennedy is grinning like the Cheshire Cat having swallowed a plump Canary. After all, entitlement programs are his stock in trade. Tip of the old hat to Senata Kennedy: Year, afta year, afta year, lie, afta lie, afta lie, time, afta time, afta time, again and again and uh, again! Finally Senata Kennedy you have managed to secure in immigration the entitlement program with something in it for just about everyone, from liberal to conservative and beyond the border: For Mexico and the Mexican people you’ll have written into U.S. law their long held belief that by birthright they are entitled to enter this country and reap from this economy as they choose, while maintaining a disenfranchising depraved socioeconomic system in Mexico worthy of Sherman’s torch! For businesses and corporations the entitlement of an endless supply of cheap subsidized labor. For government entitlement, a means to finally control wages so deftly written into law. For every America worker the assurance of a minimum wage, no longer can an American worker depend upon achieving any thing more, any thing better, than the entitlement of the set minimum guaranteed by the absence of any possible labor shortage emerging in a manipulated market. Forever gone is the rising tide that lifts all boats Senata Kennedy, for your entitlement program provides that American workers will remain in the shadows, those dark, dark, shadows, of the falling sky that assuredly sinks all ships.
Evinces of your good-faith exist in this Senators’ Chambliss and Isakson: For a candid Georgia and America have all clearly seen promises, promises, never meant to be kept only broken, broken, broken. So now with the promises, promises of triggers, triggers, triggers the only good-faith I and so many millions like me have left to believe in, is when all the triggers have been pulled, that one will remain broken, broken, broken. After all the other big guns of this S 1348 have been fired by this Congress as in past Congresses, by this President like the others before him, as in times have past the big gun of enforcement will remain dormant collecting dust and rust; and no one Senators’ Chambliss and Isakson, will ever pick up that big gun of enforcement once, to fire a single shot to protect “Our Georgia Values” and in the defense of America.
*The new Z amnesty visa:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1468.cfm
By libs destroy neo-cons
May 27, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
The climate priests want to EXERCISE you, cast your spirit into the low CO2 emissions pit.
Dipstick, the word is exorcise. Stick to what you know best - your mythology, sucking up to W and uneducated bigotry. Sure it provides some mild humor, but quit trying to pretend you have any intelligence or morality.
By newtoncogeo
May 27, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
An analysis by Robert E. Rector and Christine Kim for the conservative Heritage Foundation notes that “current immigrants [both legal and illegal] have very low education levels … at least 50 percent, and perhaps 60 percent of illegal immigrant adults lack a high school degree.”
So….. This description (and the following paragraphs) applies PRECISELY to the African-American (i.e. black) population of this country. Hopefully the Hispanics who are coming will take better advantage of the opportunities (for both education and employment) available.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
{{{By libs destroy neo-cons May 27, 2007 3:36 PM Dipstick, the word is exorcise.}}}
I thought you Cowards didn’t read what I posted?
Now you’re studying them?
{{{ex·or·cise –verb (used with object), -cised, -cis·ing. 1. to seek to expel (an evil spirit) by adjuration or religious or solemn ceremonies}}}
There is absolutely nothing “evil” about living your life here on Earth, at least not living in the sense that gets the liberals all upset.
So the word exorcise does not apply to this situation.
Exercise, on the other hand, as in jerking us around with their “global warming” bullsh-it, now that fits perfectly.
So pis-s off.
Coward.
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By @@
May 27, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
American forces freed 42 kidnapped Iraqis—some of whom had been hung from ceilings and tortured for months in a raid Sunday on an al- Qaida hideout north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.
Military officials said the operation, launched on tips from residents, showed that Iraqis in the turbulent Diyala province were turning against Sunni insurgents and beginning to trust U.S. troops.
“The people in Diyala are speaking up against al-Qaida,” said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq.
Some of the men suffered broken bones. Some had been captive for as long as four months. One said he was just 14 years old, Caldwell said.
The 42 freed Iraqis marked the largest number of captives ever found in a single al-Qaida prison, he said.
42 Iraqis will know what our Memorial Day is all about.
By libs destroy neo-cons
May 27, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Curls, you’d lie to your own diseased mother rather than admit you’re an uneducated buffoon and a loathsome little twerp. It is humorous in making light of your gutlessness and complete irrationality though.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
{{{By libs destroy neo-cons May 27, 2007 4:43 PM your gutlessness and complete irrationality though.}}}
Need I say more?
POS.
Coward.
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By @@
May 27, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
I think this “wild bunch” is what the liberals here call “trailer trash” on hogs.
Motorcycle Group Revs Up Bush
“How you doing, Artie? Welcome back,” the president told Artie Muller, the founder and executive director of the nonprofit group.
Afterward, Muller said he presented a series of concerns to Bush.
Among them were the way the Defense Department classifies missing and captured troops and the plight of soldiers who have been discharged from military hospitals and are having trouble supporting their families.
“He’s always been very honest with us and supportive,” Muller said. “He feels that these issues need to be addressed.”
Bush held a similar greeting at the White House in 2004 for Rolling Thunder. The group endorsed him in both his presidential bids.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
Maybe al-Gitmo has a point:
{{{Murtha disagreed. Committee Democrats backed him, and Rogers’s amendment killing the center was defeated in committee. That didn’t stop Rogers. He filed another amendment, this one directing the Justice Department to audit the center, which since its creation in 1993 has gone through more than a half-dozen directors and cost taxpayers about $400 million, all the while duplicating work that is done elsewhere. Again, Murtha and committee Democrats opposed Rogers. They defeated the audit amendment.}}}
What is Filthy Mouth Murtha hiding?
Or what is his take?
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By getalife
May 27, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
Grandpa sold us out.
I cussed him out at the HP.
They are the gop.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
All it took was a few more wingnuts to stop all the talking and start moving towards a solution:
{{{They could not have suspected that Nicolas Sarkozy, Chirac’s conservative successor, would astonish the world by inviting Kouchner to clean up the Quay d’Orsay, from where Chirac’s foreign ministers negotiated so many grubby deals. The same thought is occurring to others watching the diplomatic revolution in Paris. Hilary Benn, the International Development Secretary, is delighted that Kouchner’s first official act was to say the world has a duty to stop the crimes against humanity in Darfur. So too was Angela Merkel and the Bush administration, which faces public pressure on Darfur far greater than any European government has to cope with.}}}
Watch what happens when the world works together instead of whining about Bush.
Lives are going to be saved.
Viva La France!
By @@
May 27, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Single Anxious Females pursued by Hillary.
*“She’s not a housewife or Laura Bush figure and she might as well be single in certain respects. Even when her husband was cheating on her more publicly than anybody had been cheated on before, she remained nonchalant. She had made her peace with who he was.” *
Say whaaaatttt? I call ^^^ that “settling” for seconds. I call that “desperate”. I call that “appeasing” your husband.
Oh well……good enough for you Hillary, but not for me. I ain’t that desperate.
By getalife
May 27, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
To whom do Kennedy, Kerry and Lynch listen? We know the answer: to the same people who have the ear of George W. Bush and Karl Rove — namely, wealthy individuals and institutions.
The gop have not bothered to hide this fact but the dems pretend to listen to the people.
When they get together with the WH, they come up with secret trade, immigration, and occupation deals that benifit the ones they listen to.
By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
Tony Blair gets it:
{{{And the only reason it is difficult still is because other Muslims are using terrorism to try to destroy the fledgling democracy and, in doing so, are killing fellow Muslims. What’s more, British troops are risking their lives trying to prevent the killing. Why should anyone feel angry about us? Why aren’t they angry about the people doing the killing? This extremism can be defeated. But it will be defeated only by recognising that we have not created it; it cannot be negotiated with; pandering to its sense of grievance will only encourage it; and only by confronting it, the methods and the ideas, will we win.}}}
I hope he won’t be missed.
If you know what I mean.
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By WootenDull
May 27, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
{{{By getalife May 27, 2007 5:33 PM I cussed him out at the HP.}}}
Link?
I would love to see that.
Did the other libs pile on… you?
Geez.
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By WootenDull
May 28, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
From the photo in the @issue section of the Urinal, anti IRAQ war protestors (with Cynthia McKinney in the front row) and the websites they have listed on their placards:
1) AnswerCoalition: April 9, 1948 is engraved in the collective memory of the Palestinian people it is the day the Zionist movement carried out the Massacre of Deir Yassin. In our commemoration of this monumental turning point, the FPA attempts to draw lessons for today as we place the struggle of our people in its historical context.
2) WWW.MASNET.ORG: The Muslim American Society (MAS) Freedom Foundation joins with peace, human rights and pro-justice organizations throughout the international community in expressing, in the strongest terms, our condemnation of the kidnapping and violence directed by Israel against Palestinian leaders in the West Bank and Gaza.
3) www.unitedforpeace.org: The World Says No to Israeli Occupation.
It really is all about the J-E-W.
These people are stone cold crackpots, PROFESSIONAL protestors, why in the F would anybody listen to them?
The whole entire democrat party is in the service of these kooks, the Urinal, Jay Kookman, they are all a part of this Anti Jew cluster of moonbats.
Geez.
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By getatranslator
May 28, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
hasta la c****, guey