Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

May 25, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

A myriad list of issues today.

On the funding of the war, we agree. The Congress, too cowardly to issue a “Declaration of War”, authorized this fray via a “Resolution”, a strategy that I still do not find in the Constitution. Where is Sean Hannity and his constitutional originalists? However, now that we are there, we need to fund the troops or bring them home. Of course, the Democrats have less courage than the Republicans, so we stay for a while.

With respect to the latest legislation not have a timetable for surrender, I note that neither does it have a timetable for victory.

On a note that you did not address, if we really want the American government to become more effective, we would limit all members of Congress (incidentally, Congress consists of the House of Representative and the Senate…despite the ignorance of many television news reporters who talk about the “Congress and the Senate”) to two four year terms. After that they should do something worthwhile and something at which most of them would be talented…like flip burgers at McDonalds.

If you haven’t figured it out yet, the only good politician is a former politician.

Forget NOT those who have given their all so that old, foolish, fat men like me can pontificate. Remember them on Memorial Day.

By The Truth Hurts

May 25, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Remember how those on the Right freaked out when Nightline displayed all those that had lost their lives in Iraq?

How dare the AJC show the faces of those soldiers who have died. Don’t they know they should keep them hidden? You know, in keeping with the Administration’s policies. No pics of caskets arriving back in the US. No official death count released by the Pentagon.

The quieter, and more secretative, they can keep those things, the better they are.

And remember how everyone freaked out when Clinton replaced some of those in the White House travel office? It was the end of the world!!! But it’s OK to replace those AG’s.

By jbmlaw

May 25, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Not that I have any direct knowledge of such things, understand, but I perceive over-exposure can be stimulating.

I am not persuaded that John is intentionally trying to frighten anyone – I think he is merely attempting to prove the comparative intellectual limits of the American voters. Congress, working along similar lines, pretends the US was not in recession at the end of the last Dem administration, and that the Bush tax cuts had no meaningful economic effect – why else would they schedule the largest tax increase in World history? A certain formula for depression, remember you read it here first.

Perhaps the missionary to Candler Park should be recruited from the ranks of al-Sadr.

Oh my, Jim – you wrote a sentence using the words “immigration” and “amnesty.” Guess what the first 245 posts on the blog will be about today? Peggy Noonan has a nice essay today, a middle ground between my perspective and that of most of my conservative friends.

Your note on the Dem’s capitulation on war funding reminds me, Taranto had a funny related observation yesterday: “A telling quote from The Politico, in a report on President Bush’s victory over pro-surrender Democrats in Congress:

‘Some activists had privately feared that Democratic leaders were losing their resolve to stage a protracted fight with the White House over wartime funding. Pelosi had announced earlier that the House would not leave for the Memorial Day recess without a new funding bill, a signal to some of a looming defeat.

‘When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to lose,” said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. “Everything after that seemed like posturing.’

“This gives away the game, doesn’t it? The ‘antiwar’ people understand what it means to set a deadline—and they seek to do so because they want America to lose.”

I am more charitable to Uncle Jimmy than is JW – Prez Carter realized how stupid his comments were, and retracted them. Who hasn’t said something he regretted while in a drunken stupor?

I think I know a “populist” way to eliminate the brouhaha over firing political appointees – set in statute a rule that gives every $75,000+ salary a two-year appointment only. Of course, that was the course that Wolf embarked at the World Bank (except he was targeting only $150,000+) and you saw how the bureaucrats rose up to defend their right to tell us how to live. Why haven’t we talked about the Wolfowitz character-assassination on this blog?

Anyone who decries gas “price gouging” while tolerating the largest tax increase in the history of the world is a two-bit hypocrite. At worst, gasoline, gouged or otherwise, costs the average taxpayer $2,000 per year, less than a quarter of the money stolen by our Federal government for its frivolous expenditures.

As a reformed (due to bad knees) jogger, I can confirm that all joggers are a bit loopy. Like criticism by a moonbat, I suggest you simply ignore the profiling in this case.

By GodHatesTrash

May 25, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Edwards is a great candidate. GHT may not vote for him, however, because he seems to comfortable cozying up to the superstitious yahoos that call themselves evangelicals.

He needs to distance himself from that kind of Kkkhristianity.

By Jim Wooten

May 25, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Morning all. We’ll return to immigration on Sunday. But on that day, I’ll be in Miami headed to points south for a week. Topics will be posted, but I’m not entirely certain I’ll be able to gain access during the discussion, so I trust the cooler heads here to keep the conversation from going off the cliff. I’m back next weekend.

By Corey

May 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

“pretends the US was not in recession at the end of the last Dem administration,”

jbmlaw, What two consecutive quarters was ther negative growth during the Clinton years (recession=two consecutive quarters of negative growth)? Name them, and I will agree with you. Yes, the economy slowed at the end of the previous adminisrtation - but no recession. Peace.

By jbmlaw

May 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Have a great trip Jim Wooten - I also expect to escape early today.

By Curious Observer

May 25, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

The cave-in of the Democrats on the war funding bill speaks to one truth only: the American voter is dumb as a bag of hammers. While overwhelmingly wanting the US out of Iraq, that voter would fall for the line “He didn’t support the troops” at election time if Congress had refused to go along with continued war funding without deadlines. The Democrats know this, and they took the only course of action that would lead to survival.

And you can bet that should Hillary or Obama win the Democratic nomination for president, the Republicans will punish them for voting against the bill by claiming that both are unfit for the office because they “didn’t support the troops.” And American voters will fall for that line too!

We should never overestimate the intelligence of the American voter. Just as soon as the vision of homosexual marriage or abortion crystallizes, Joe Six-Pack will head to the polls and vote for the same misery we have been experiencing for the past 6+ years.

By spaceman109

May 25, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

hello fellow bloggers :D about time for another memorial day weekend. everyone be safe this weekend wherever they go.

i saw the picture of monica goodling the other day. my first impression was: future defense attorney/apologist for some corporate scofflaw. as neal boortz is fond of saying…juuuuuuuust a thought! :D

i do believe that the run-up in gas prices is a combination of higher demand from motorists and repaired refineries not running at fullest-possible capacity. in other words, i am convinced that gas supplies are being manipulated to help drive the pump price higher. skeptics of this can refer to the bogus electric-supply crunch in califirnia back in the 1990’s. the precedent is there.

i am in full agreement with those who say that the federales make more money from a gallon of gas than do the oil companies. i just wish figures would be provided to show just how much so i can quote those figures to my ignorant co-workers who hate oil companies.

the great thing about baby pandas is that no pr firm is needed. youth and playfulness sells itself.

personally, i would have no problem with paying a dollar more for admission to a state park. however, that 19 million which sonny-boy wants to use to promote fishing would be much better used to help out the state parks situation. the hard-core fishing enthusiasts already know the good places to fish; they don’t need 19 million of state gommint spending to tell them those locations.

jbmlaw….thanks for pointing out the peggy noonan essay. she is an actual conservative who does not blindly and mindlessly worship at the altar of president bush. i am sorry to hear about your knee problems. i am not sure which is worse; bad knees or a bad back.

happy memorial day, everyone. let us all remember those who gave their lives for this country and those who now serve. keep them in your prayers

By spaceman109

May 25, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

hello fellow bloggers :D about time for another memorial day weekend. everyone be safe this weekend wherever they go.

i saw the picture of monica goodling the other day. my first impression was: future defense attorney/apologist for some corporate scofflaw. as neal boortz is fond of saying…juuuuuuuust a thought! :D

i do believe that the run-up in gas prices is a combination of higher demand from motorists and repaired refineries not running at fullest-possible capacity. in other words, i am convinced that gas supplies are being manipulated to help drive the pump price higher. skeptics of this can refer to the bogus electric-supply crunch in califirnia back in the 1990’s. the precedent is there.

i am in full agreement with those who say that the federales make more money from a gallon of gas than do the oil companies. i just wish figures would be provided to show just how much so i can quote those figures to my ignorant co-workers who hate oil companies.

the great thing about baby pandas is that no pr firm is needed. youth and playfulness sells itself.

personally, i would have no problem with paying a dollar more for admission to a state park. however, that 19 million which sonny-boy wants to use to promote fishing would be much better used to help out the state parks situation. the hard-core fishing enthusiasts already know the good places to fish; they don’t need 19 million of state gommint spending to tell them those locations.

jbmlaw….thanks for pointing out the peggy noonan essay. she is an actual conservative who does not blindly and mindlessly worship at the altar of president bush. i am sorry to hear about your knee problems. i am not sure which is worse; bad knees or a bad back.

happy memorial day, everyone. let us all remember those who gave their lives for this country and those who now serve. keep them in your prayers

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes, “A Congress that proposes to fund a war two months at a time really should screw up the courage to cut off funding entirely and take the consequences when the American people take note of what they’ve done.”

When George W. Bush was re-elected for a second term, he bragged that he had a “mandate” from the American people.

Mr. Wooten supported that “mandate”.

Mr. Wooten well knows, admit it or not, that George W. Bush has long ago lost his “mandate”.

And now, Mr. Wooten hypocritically comes along to say, “A Congress that proposes to fund a war two months at a time really should screw up the courage to cut off funding entirely and take the consequences when the American people take note of what they’ve done”, apparently unaware (or does he care?) that the American people have “[taken] note of what they’ve done.”

If they could vote on it, Americans would get out of Iraq today, not tomorrow. And they would throw out the Bush administration as well.

But, if it will help Mr. Wooten’s feelings any, the spineless, timid Democrats aren’t doing a bit better about getting out of Iraq.

Anyone reading between the lines can tell that the Democrats are trying to have their cake and eat it too by talking of how to get out of Iraq and remain there too.

Let’s admit it, political party aside, this war is still about oil, nothing else.

As of today, 5/25/07, Georgia has lost 101 soldiers in Iraq (not to mention the wounded). Mr. Wooten has played his part in those needless deaths and wounded.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Redneck Convert

May 25, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess I better get my two cents worth in before Markus gets back from his truck run and starts hogging this blog all weekend and cussing and calling names.

I’m with Wooten on this pickup truck thing. You can’t even drive a pickup no more without being called a redneck. We run this state but you would think we are a bunch of Those People, to hear the way people throw off on us.

There’s nothing wrong with us rednecks. We are all over the place in this state. Some people are rednecks without admitting it. jbmlaw is a redneck, but to see him write and pertend to be a lawyer you would think he ain’t. TFTT is the biggest redneck of all and he ain’t even from this country. Van is a redneck, and Sister Dusty and John D and a whole bunch of bloggers here. And Wooten is a redneck. He beleives in everything us rednecks think, its just that he don’t like to admit he’s one of us.

There was a big fuss at the trailer last nite about that woman that wanted to swear to tell the truth on the Koran up in North Carolina. Most of us said the Bible was the only truth and the Baptists had the only true relegion. The Catholics and Methodists and all the other people that beleive in dressing up the preacher in robes and such and not dunking people to baptize them worship a false god. Anyway, Ed Joe Postlewaite spoke up and said he beleived people should be able to swear on whatever good book they want. So we called him a librul and kicked him out of the trailer. We don’t have to put up with stuff like that.

Anyway, I got to get going on the beer run. Its going to be a long weekend and the Baptists will have a powerful thirst after all the talk about dead soldiers and the church-going and such. Just remember to buy your booze by Saturday nite and don’t try that sneaking your beer past the self checkout line. There is more of us than you, and you are going to show some respeck for our relegion by not buying the stuff on our Sunday.

Anyway, I’m all set for watching the Indy 500. I got 3 cases of beer and plenty of pork skins. And if we run out I can just go out to the beer truck and get some more. I just hope one of them women don’t win.

By getalife

May 25, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

That was not bird poop that hit w yesterday, that was another message from God †

Al Sadr is back in Iraq trying to end this occupation.

He wants the Iraq government to vote to end this occupation.

Lord knows, the dems will not.

By deegee

May 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Whatever the Dems gave Bush on Iraq war funding will cost the Repubs on immigration reform. This is political horse trading at it’s finest. There are going to be some happy customers and some unhappy customers but thank God something is finally getting accomplished in Washington.

By spaceman109

May 25, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

sorry, all, about the double post. i only hit the post button once, so i have no idea what happened. gremlins in the ajc servers, perhaps?

we might as well get used to the idea that u.s. troops will be in iraq until the end of eternity. this administration talks abuot patience not being endless and they actually accepted banchmarks, but there are still no apparent penalties if the iraq government does not get its act together. that sort of confused message just oncourages increased reliance by the iraq govt on us for their security and reduces the incentive for said govt to grow some stones and step up to provide that security themselves. it also encourages them to throw up their hands and blame all those bombers for blowing up recruitment stations.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

saceman Do we still not have troops in Germany and Japan? That war ended in 1945. The war in Iraq has ended. What we now have is free style terrorism sponsored by Iran and Syria.

By Trackboy1

May 25, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Georgia’s state park system is its main treasure, Jimbo. And since Sonny’s took office, he’s cut state park funding 25%. Betcha he’ll can Becky Kelly for exposing his undefunding of the one natural resource that belongs to all Georgians.

We know you hate the environment Jimbo, but our kids and grandkids deserve a great Georgia state park system.

By harold

May 25, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

sounds like mr wooten is headed for his own man date… have fun in key west!

heh heh just givin’ you crap, my man.. have a good time

By JK

May 25, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Is it better to fire en masse when administrations change, as President Bill Clinton did with U.S. attorneys, or to pick-and-choose, as Perdue did?

Way to pick and choose Mr. Wooten! Also, nice random insertion of the “C” word to negatively contrast the parts of your leading question. (Try to do that at least once a day, huh?) Are your readers actually so stupid that they don’t know it’s standard procedure for ALL modern presidents to restaff the entire US attorney pool at the onset of a new administration? And that Bush and Bush did it too? Let’s let your readers answer that.

A president or governor should have the people they want carrying out their policies… Yeah…. But the justice department maintains its integrity by not basing cases on the partisan directives of WH advisors like Mr. Rove. When the “only-winning-matters” dough-boy is calling the shots re: who will and will not be accountable to the laws of the land, our justice department is no longer an institution we can trust. By “we” of course I mean people who actually pay attention and think.

By the way, I thought YOU were the cranky old uncle who starts ranting about the broccoli during Thanksgiving Dinner! Haha!

By spaceman109

May 25, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

rch…your observation on free-style terrorism is likely correct. however, you failed to address my contention that at some point the iraqi government should grow some stones and quit relying on us for their security. if iraq truly had a strong leader, iraqis would volunteer for the national armed forces in such numbers that even terrorist attacks would not deter them, which in turn would lead to them needing our presence that much less.

jk….you and i along with others on this blog who do not worship this president will continue to await the latest version of the truth from the department of justice concerning the fired u.s. attorneys; then we will point and laugh at those suck-up apologists who will lamely attempt to explain away such explanation.

any attempt by political hacks to pressure a u.s. attorney into issuing indictments for partisan political purposes should scare everyone. u.s. attorneys should be free to prosecute based on evidence and law and not feel intimidated by higher-ups.

By Dusty

May 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Happy Memorial Day soon,

But Jim Wooten, before you leave, could you tell us which State Parks are “neglected”? Any park I go to is overflowing with people. I would be glad to patronize those with a few parking places left.

All of you commentators who use this blog to throw off on our war efforts and the troops who are fighting for us, would you mind not doing that on a weekend of memorials? That would be nice.

I see the pictures of those we have lost almost every night on Lehrer News Hour. It is no secret that our military is losing some very brave men and women. A little appreciation for their sacrifice should be in order.

Dennis, YOU are responsible for the killing of our soldiers with YOUR lack of support. OK OK, that is just as silly as you saying that Jim Wooten is responsible. Just once, think before you post.

getalife, why don’t you go out in the yard and see if you can “get a message from God”? There was a great big crow here looking for you. I hope he can hit his target as well as Smoltz.

By Dave

May 25, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

State parks: I am a firm believer in state parks. I do not care about when they are open or how they are staffed. One week a year is fine if that is what it takes. I DO want the state to buy more land to set aside as state parks. All large land seizures for taxes, drugs, etc of land over 5 acres should become a state park. Plus we need to raise hunting and fishing license fees and maybe add a new car tag to pay for it.

If the state buys lots of land now, and prevents it from ever being used for development, the people generations from now will have a place that still has trees and animals.
/off soap box

By RCH

May 25, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

spaceman I agree.However it is very difficult to get the Sunnies and Shiites to agree to do any thing together. Also you are asking Shiites from Iraq to kill Shiites from these other countries.

By jm

May 25, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

regarding border security - there are laws already on the books but the executive branch has been somewhat lax in enforcing them.

funny how W has neglected to include the war on terror in the budgets he submits to congress every year. This allows his hallejulah chorus to tout his fiscal responsibility while preventing an honest accounting of his stewardship.

Speaking of former Gerogia governors, I see the Republicans have not trotted out their favorite Georgia democrat in a while, old Zig-Zag Zell.

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

By Dusty May 25, 2007 10:07 AM , “It is no secret that our military is losing some very brave men and women. A little appreciation for their sacrifice should be in order.

“Dennis, YOU are responsible for the killing of our soldiers with YOUR lack of support.”

Dusty, supporting the war is one issue, supporting the soldiers is another. Unfortunately you, and too many like you, either aren’t able or are unwilling, to separate the two.

Is Wooten in the same boat? If his writings are any indication, it would appear so.

However, I would hope he is a little more intelligent than that. And if he is, then his is some irresponsible journalism to continue to promote a war that was contrived from the beginning and needs to stop TODAY.

Damn the politics of it. American soldiers are dying because of those politics.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By jbmlaw

May 25, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Dear Spaceman @ 9:03, knees are nothing compared to back problems; you have my truest sympathies if you suffer the latter limitation.

Dear Redneck @ 9:09, I fear the meth has adversely affected your memory. Long ago, in direct response to you, I acknowledged my roots in the moonshining country of southern Tennessee. All who meet me agree that my collar reflects the rosy shades of dawn.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

JM ” somewhat lax”? The last time we were that lax a little Austrian man with a mustache almost ruled the world. That is why this new bill has no bite. it simply will not be enforced. If you are fixing a bathtub, don’t you turn off the water first? Same here. First stop the influx of illegals coming here then deal with the ones who are.

By jbmlaw

May 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Dear Corey @ 8:42, I know it is moonbat scripture that government policies have an instantaneous effect, but the fact is that Clintonian economic effects lingered until 18 months after he left office; only the Bush tax cuts reversed the long-term debilitating effects of Clintonomics. Clinton’s first 18 months in office – a strongly improving economy – were inherited, just as was the recession Bush 43 inherited. I previously noted that the Congressional Democrats are now seeking to launch a depression by passing the largest tax increase in the history of the world; my guess is that depression will not hit until around 2010, but will shackle anyone running for re-election in 2012.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw Speak for yourself. I will have my 5th knee surgery on the 15th.

By jbmlaw

May 25, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Apologies to all for my discourtesy, I should have granted the 42nd president his title.

By liberals are cut and run filth

May 25, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Come on inbred rednekkk … crash that stolen beer lorry. And then demand an RC Cola drip in Grady’s burns unit whilst the uppity fat black nurses feed you crumbled Moonpies laced with moonshine flavoured oxycontin.

Karter is a senile hateful far left hypocritical old bastard who, like an old lame nag is long overdue for the knackers yard.

harold being the resident expert on “man dates” - as rednekkks NAMBLA is the resident expert on “man (well its nearly a man) boy” dates would know all about FL Keys poofs. Just gently winding you up there harold - enjoy your busy Bus Spotting weekend at CCT’s station next to BrandsMart in Kennesaw.

Lets hope more than a few more illegal leeches are rounded up this Memorial Day weekend, a perfect way to honour the sacrifice of the fallen. Remembrance Sunday in November - the Sunday closest to Nov 11th - is when we Brits honour our fallen heroes with a national ceremony at the Cenotaph and the British Legion selling red poppies for a month or so to raise funds for injured serviceman before the day.

The slimy still hilariously nowhere in the polls, snout STILL deep in the tax payer trough J Edwards, having maximised the take on his very self absorbed wife’s bout with cancer is now busy fleecing publicly funded universities with exorbitant $55,000 yapping fees per puke session on “poverty”. After yet another $400 haircut and blowdry. At least Edwards is consistent, he funds his limousine liberal ambulance chaser lifestyle from any source possible, including students. If there is “no war on towel head terror” then lets immediately feed the smug dissembling dogturd Edwards to Hizbollocks or AQI - that will prove him wrong, us right and mercilessly save us all massive visual and noise pollution for this campaign season.

Any news yet on Billy BIGOT Campbell’s FL federal prison life?

By CouldItBe

May 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

By Curious Observer

May 25, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

The cave-in of the Democrats on the war funding bill speaks to one truth only: the American voter is dumb as a bag of hammers.

Politics being politics, does anyone think it possible that the Dems give a little on the war funding and the GOP gives it up on immigration? Hmmmmmmm.

By Dusty

May 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

OK Dennis,

Politics attacked us 9/11. Osama just wanted to run for president.

While our troops are fighting our enemies, you support the enemy. Then you call it “supporting the troops”.

I hope you don’t pay your bills by telling companies that you support them but you are not going to pay.

By getalife

May 25, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Jon Stewert telling it like it is

Geez.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Dennis I think it is a thin line between supporting our troops but not the war. Just thin enough for our enemies to look through.

By DustySucksLikeAHoover

May 25, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

By YouSuck

May 24, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

Spc. Daniel Seitz, 22, from Pensacola, Fla., said he was trying to stay strong and push ahead with the search.

“It just angers me that it’s just another friend I’ve got to lose and deal with, because I’ve already lost 13 friends since I’ve been here and I don’t know if I can take any more of this,” he said.

Just for you Dusty. You misguided bi*ch. Stick another yellow ribbon up your kazoo.

Before you start up with that crap of yours, Dusty.

By getalife

May 25, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

I do not speak to God like w.

I have my sanity.

You are as blood and body part hungry as cheney.

Onto Iran and a draft.

Register your kids.

God save America!

By DustySucksLikeAHoover

May 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Great idea Dust for Sense. Over up one of your young to the meatgrinder. Let him be one of the flies stuck to the flypaper. Show your patriotism dingbat.

By DustyRove

May 25, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Dusty have you not figured out yet that the “shame em into silence” tactic stopped working a long time ago? Probably not. But I will say that you were named appropriately, cause you sure got dust in the attic in lieu of brains. You have just got to be blonde. Probably bleached at that.

By spaceman109

May 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw….fortunately for me i do not have any back problems. i have a very good chiropractor :D and i am very careful with my posture to help keep my back healthy.

yikes rch…hope things work out better this time.

rch…it is true that sunnis and shiites have a mutual dislike society. however, i wuold contend that in the case of iraq, the primary argument is economic. most of iraq’s oil are in areas where shiites are the majority. i am sure you remember that one benchmark was that the iraqi govt should pass legislation which mandates that oil revenue be shared equally. said govt has, so far, failed to pass revenue-sharing legislation.

once the ecomonic issues are dealt with, there is at least a chance that the present level of violence will subside. without such an agreement and others like it, not even the full force of our military will be able to affect the present level of violence.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

* getalife and others* On this memorial day lets not forget those who made the ultimate sacrifice. No one like wars, especially the soldiers. But how do we pick and choose which battles to fight? Many would agree to this day that we should have never fought WWII. My Grandfather landed on the beaches of Normandy. He lost over 100 men out of his company. He had pictures of them and could remember most of their names. But not once did he say that we fought in vain.He did tell me this,” Freedom is like the installment plan. If you don’t pay a little at a time they will soon come take it away.”

By RCH

May 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

spaceman Thanks,

However, you have to remember those Shiites from Iran and Syria have no interest in the oil at present, only the control of the country. I think it is an easier sell to the Shiites of Iraq to hold out,gain political control through violence (with the help of Shiites from other countries) and then not share any revenue with the Sunnis at all.

By Sheikh Yerbouti

May 25, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Very amusing. May Allah grant you a happy holiday and don’t forget to fill up.

See ya Sunni!

By LMAO

May 25, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

((” Freedom is like the installment plan. If you don’t pay a little at a time they will soon come take it away.”))

Your right about one thing, the war bill sure is on an installment plan.

Another thing on the installment plan is this faux sacrifice and faux “support the troops” cr@p.

The fact is the VAST majority of you PATRIOTIC Americans this Memorial Day will be feasting on your sacrificial BBQ’s and getting drunk on your Support the Troops beer.

Great installment plan you got there! $0.00 a month for 30 years! What terms.

By Dusty

May 25, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You do have a sense of humor.

What was it you said, “I have my sanity!”??

Woohoo, good one, getalife!!

By Realist

May 25, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

A few quick notes before I head out of town.

The economy absorbed the $3.00+ per gallon gasoline, and will soon absorb $4.00, and did it with demand actually rising, not dropping. I think we can handle paying a little more for lettuce and fruit folks. That is a lame argument. This immigration bill is about political power and votes and trying not to make the same mistake that was made when the GOP alienated other minorities. The bottom line that the GOP isnt seeing, regarldless of where we stand on immigration, these people are much more likely to vote democrat in any case, because the democrats support the social services and aid that these poeple will immediately depend on to survive the day they recieve a legit SSN. This bill will create a new class of poverty. A new generation of welfare and medicaid recipients. Welcome to the middle class black Americans, you just got promoted!

By getalife

May 25, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

RCH,

The debate on the Iraq occupation is over.

Both parties own this disasater.

They are taking freedoms here, many have died for.

Remember that.

Geez.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

LAMO WE paid dearly after WWII in both men sacrificed and money spent. And yes many will be celebrating and drinking. But at least we will not speaking German or Japanese.

By Russ Childers

May 25, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten — I thought you did a good job on your summary of the PeachCare survey and an analysis of the program. I would commend to you the following guest editorial for the paper — FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Kelly Loussedes, Vice President of Public Relations May 1, 2007 (703) 276-3835 or kloussedes@nahu.org or

NAHU Supports SCHIP Improvements

(Arlington, VA) — The National Association of Health Underwriters (NAHU) would like to encourage improvements to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in order to get more eligible children insured. SCHIP is a state administered “safety net” for parents who make too much money to qualify for Medicaid, but cannot afford private health insurance. The proposed reauthorization of the SCHIP program will cost almost six billion dollars over five years.

“We believe that while SCHIP has certainly helped many American children, the program needs additional modifications,” stated NAHU CEO Janet Trautwein. “Due to some inflexible provisions that were contained in the original legislation, many states have not been able to adequately implement the full range of options made available to them.

“When SCHIP was created, it was intended to be a capped federal block grant to states, not an open-ended entitlement program. The block-grant structure has allowed the creation of beneficial state program innovations that include cost-saving partnerships with the private insurance market; that ability would be lost if the program became a federal entitlement. An estimated 9 million children have no regular health insurance, but the new initiative will only cover about 2 million children so the program cannot be considered the only solution for the uninsured.

“Many parents of SCHIP-eligible children have access to employer-sponsored insurance coverage but cannot afford their portion of the dependent premiums. NAHU would like to see the process for states to voluntarily use SCHIP dollars to subsidize such employer-sponsored coverage made much simpler so more families can be covered together under the same private-market plans. Doing so would have the following benefits: § More families would accept employer-sponsored coverage for their children. § The administrative burden on low-income families would be lessened as families could be covered together on the same health insurance plan. § It would reduce the “crowd-out” of the private market that occurs when parents decline employer-sponsored coverage in favor of SCHIP coverage for their dependents. § It would lower costs by taking advantage of premium dollars employers are willing to contribute toward eligible employee dependent premiums. § It would reduce costs because the risk associated with covering children with employer-sponsored coverage would be borne by the private-market plan rather than the public program.
§ Licensed health insurance producers could provide outreach and enrollment assistance at virtually no cost to the SCHIP program. “We believe that SCHIP effectiveness could increase dramatically by eliminating regulatory barriers that have made it difficult for states to develop private-market based plans as well as eliminating the cost-sharing provision so states can establish their own guidelines for reasonable cost-sharing.” The National Association of Health Underwriters represents over 20,000 health insurance agents, brokers, consultants and professionals. Its members serve employers and individual consumers in accessing and purchasing affordable health insurance and related products.

By LMAO

May 25, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

RCH, during WWII Americans were not partying. Is that what patriotic Americans do now? Party?

By Charles

May 25, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

• Some Clark Atlanta University students and faculty want its president, Walter Broadnax, fired. The school was penniless and in danger of losing accreditation when he came five years ago. He did the kinds of things private equity firms do to save failing businesses, aligning costs and revenues while attempting to find a financially secure place in the education market. As with the auto industry and the airlines, it may not work. Students and faculty have choice. But for what he’s done, he should be commended, not run off, said Jim Wooten.

How long will the integrationist African Americans go limping between two opinions? If our social and political philosophy is integration, which deprives us of dignity and honor, then we should automatically discard historically Black Colleges and Universities, (HBCUs). It’s so Obvious, integration suggest that African Americans can’t do anything of substance among us. We need others to instruct us. How humiliating, demeaning, and dehumanizing.

If we are concerned about our spiritual and physical survival on planet earth, our political and social philosophy should be Black Nationalism. Many prominent integrationists, pimps, will lose money. They will no longer be able to hold the masses of African Americans out for prostitution. Some johns will experience a shortage in cash flow and suffer withdrawal symptoms too.

Black Nationalism would require that the overwhelming majority of black children attend our colleges and universities. We would be expected to make our institutions as competitive as any, national or international. That would require African Americans on every level to look to us and not to others to solve problems. What a blessing, we would finally have no one to blame for racism.

Now, there you have it African Americans. If our political and social philosophy is integration, African American institutions and individuals will be destroyed piecemeal; it’s just a matter of time. Change our political and social philosophy to Black Nationalism, our HBCUs will thrive. Everyone, especially African Americans, will reap the benefits.

By spaceman109

May 25, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

actually, rch, the shiites already have political control. nouri al-maliki is a shiite. i believe most of the iraqi legislature is shiite.

you said I think it is an easier sell to the Shiites of Iraq to hold out,gain political control through violence (with the help of Shiites from other countries) and then not share any revenue with the Sunnis at all.

so with that being true, could it be possible that mr. al-maliki is in cahoots with the hard-core shiites in their drive to marginalize the sunnis even further? such marginalization can only lead to more and more violence regardless of the number of american troops there.

we wonders….yes, we wonders.

the similarity is in the animal kingdom; when an animal is cornered and feels fearful, it fights back.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

LMAO You may want to study your American history at this time. Many party’s were held on national holiday’s especially to raise money by selling “War Bonds”. Many celebrities took part in this, unlike now.

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

By Dusty May 25, 2007 10:54 AM | “OK Dennis, While our troops are fighting our enemies, you support the enemy. Then you call it “supporting the troops”.

“Politics attacked us 9/11. Osama just wanted to run for president.”

What is SICK is that this kind of phony spin is the best that a neocon like yourself (and Wooten) can come up with.

By RCH May 25, 2007 11:01 AM “Dennis I think it is a thin line between supporting our troops but not the war. Just thin enough for our enemies to look through.”

They may “look through”, but what is appaling (although it isn’t going to stop the killing of American soldiers) is that they see the diffence and neocons do not.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By getalife

May 25, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

The war party is one party of dems and gop with full corporate backed funding.

What type of government is this?

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

By getalife May 25, 2007 12:26 PM “The war party is one party of dems and gop with full corporate backed funding. What type of government is this?”

Exactly. A lot of people, corporate or government, are making money off of the killing of American soldiers. They don’t really want this war to stop.

It would be interesting to know just how much of the American economy is tied to, and now revolves around the Pentagon industry. And what would happen to the American economy if the war stopped TODAY)?

Apparently it would have to be a “slow” stop in order not to disrupt our economy and more American soldiers would have to bleed to death while that slow stop was taking place.

There are your corporate values. Supported by columnist like Wooten.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By getalife

May 25, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Dennis,

Yes, free trade, immigration, war and the North American Union does feed the economy to keep it going.

Its funny all this back and forth, dividing the American people, when they are one party.

Geez.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Charles You sound like George Wallace,”separate but equal.” Many African -Americans feel they can compete for the best positions at the best schools. Many would say that you are advocating that they cannot.Since America is becoming more diverse, does it make since to shelter ourselves from other ethnic groups. I thought that was what the civil rights struggle was all about.If we all want to stay separate then maybe we all should go back to our countries of origin and leave this land for the Indians,

By getalife

May 25, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Wonder why the stock market is breaking records when gas prices are breaking records too?

I think Wall Street knows that war, free trade, immigration and the North American Union will all pass and help keep the economy going.

By rarringt

May 25, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon all,

Getalife,

It’s by the people, of the people, but not really for the people.

Sometimes we forget that this was a capitalist society for two centuries before a bunch of guys in wigs and funny clothes started bandying about the peculiar notion of democracy, and even then primarily in protest of being taxed for a war fought on their behalf.

The New Deal up through the Clinton era was an example, with a few exceptions (McCarthyism, Jim Crow, Watergate, the Lewinsky scandal, etc.), of what a society we could be.

During that time we were lionized as a great shining beacon of freedom. At least we liked to think of it in those terms.

Today, how we see ourselves is quite different. People on both sides of the aisle are more vitriolic, mean spirited, bad tempered, crude, rude and intolerant.

It would be naive to say that all this has “suddenly” appeared in the past 6-7 years. I do, after all, have black grandparents who grew up in both the north and south and knew a thing or two about mean-spirited people….

But back to your point. This is a government comprised of people who in both their private and public lives put corporatism above civic duty.

So do you, and I. Let’s face it, the local orphanage could use your discretionary fun money more than Best Buy, but that won’t stop us from having that plasma TV installed this weekend, won’t it?

It’s a bit like my point earlier in the week about immigration. So long as Luis mows our lawns, Maria fixes our meals, and some migrant farmer keeps the cost of fruit and veggies down, we don’t care all that much about immigration.

But when Luis and Maria get together and have two kids who rock the 95th percentile on their SATs, and suddenly Trent and Becky aren’t looking like surefire admits to Duke anymore, suddenly it’s a crisis.

The term, coined by St. Thomas Aquinas back in the day, is “inherent self interest.” Most of the bloggers on this site should be intimately familiar with it. It’s one of the primary notions of neo-conservatism.

By Charles

May 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

I am so sorry that I can’t respond today. Everything around here is off the chain. So this is my final response for today.

RCH,

Some of Dr Martin Luther King’s close associates were complicit in his death. I hope you understand what that means in all of its inferences.

The civil rights which Dr Martin Luther King espoused is the opposite of the civil rights we have today. He was silenced so that he could not interfere with the nefarious plan that has materialized today. He would support my position.

I’ll see you all later.

By Dusty

May 25, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Well, Dennis,

what else did you learn at the anti-war protest school?

Now, you say, we are fighting a war for the economy. Yes, forget those mean little head-chopping terrorists. It’s the economy, folks!!

Forget about freedom. It is the millions you have stashed in the stock market. It is the oil wells you own and reap profits. It is your stock in the evil Halliburton!! America fights for the money!! Duh!!!

Well, happy Memorial Day, Dennis. May the Dow Jones win the war and set you free. And….may our military never read anything you post here.

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

By getalife May 25, 2007 1:04 PM “Wonder why the stock market is breaking records when gas prices are breaking records too? I think Wall Street knows that war, free trade, immigration and the North American Union will all pass and help keep the economy going.”

I’ve forgotton who said it, tho I suppose I could find it; but to paraphrase, The “free market” of McDonald’s can’t survive without McDougal - Douglass.

In short, if you don’t want to sell us oil (or any other commodity) at the price we’re willing to pay for it, we’ll take it.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By TW

May 25, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Thanks for your support!

Maybe the Republicans should start supporting bin laden?

By getalife

May 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

rarringt,

Thanks for the discussion.

I think we need to keep this in mind before we bash each other. It seems rather silly when both parties have the same agenda.

By gored

May 25, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

A lot of people, corporate or government, are making money off of the killing of American soldiers. They don’t really want this war to stop.

Anyone who thinks wars are started for a profit is beyond any rational capacity of thought and blinded by lefty wingnut propoganda - corporations, profiteering, blood money, yadda blah blah. Be it guns, uniforms, titanium, or printed circuit boards, the government cannot produce these items and materials. The government doesn’t produce or manufacture anything. The government purchases items used for war. Our government obtains it’s money from individuals, companies, and corporations. How exactly any government can profit from war is a complete mystery here, but one does have to throw in the factor of lefty wingnut logic. Profiting from war dates back to the Roman times, when the government really did profit from war. But even back then the premise for war was domination, not profits. Profits from a war are a byproduct, not a reason. Only a UFOlogist wingnut dumocrat can’t see that difference.

By dick cheney

May 25, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

that’s right, gored. you tell ‘em!

By jm

May 25, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

gored@1:25 - from President Eisenhower - refer to section 4.

By JK

May 25, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

How exactly any government can profit from war is a complete mystery here

Let me help you out here, Sparky: The government (an agent of the people) does NOT profit. The people currently running the government, and their families and friends ARE profiting nicely thank you. Don’t take my word for it, Sparky. Check the stock prices and profit margins for Halliburton and subsidiaries, and the oil companies in the past five years. The longer our soldiers (still getting paid peanuts) are over there (fourth tour for many), the more those friends and family profit.

Profits from a war are a byproduct, not a reason. Only a UFOlogist wingnut dumocrat can’t see that difference.

Wow!! Never mind the facts now that your clever word plays have slayed us all. I would be SO SCARED to play Scrabble with you, Sparky!

By RCH

May 25, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Gored I agree, however many on the left believe those who are involved in the war profit through association with corporations, stocks, kickbacks etc. Next time one of those UFO wingnut tells you that, ask them if they know what their 401k is invested in. I did. Haliburton!! Surprise,Surprise.

By rarringt

May 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Gored,

Actually, the practice goes back way before the Romans (who, in the great scheme of things, were relative newcomers to the world stage).

Think in terms of the ancient Sumerians working their way out of Ur (now Baghdad, ironically), at least 5,000 years before a couple of italians thought it might be a good idea to get organized….

To your point. Governments profit from war in many ways:

• Increasing or securing lands and treasure

• Maintaining the econonomy. World War II (through the Lend Lease Act as well as our direct involvement) did, after all, pull us out of the depression

• Stature on the world stage. Invading Poland did wonders for convincing the world Nazi Germany was not to be trifled with. Conversely, our intervention in Bosnia has both domestic and international consensus as a brilliantly benevolent use of U.S. military power.

Redirection of attention. Wars, for better or worse, tend to distract the public’s attention from other issues. For example, when was the last time Jim had a major discussion on global warning?

To name a few.

By RUNALRUN

May 25, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

I sure will be glad when Al Gore is 44th pres of these United States!

By Ray

May 25, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Silly libs - of course there is profit from the war…economics 101 anybody? Capitalism?

By RCH

May 25, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

RUNALRUN Hope you like walking to work.

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

By gored May 25, 2007 1:25 PM “Anyone who thinks wars are started for a profit is beyond any rational capacity of thought…Profits from a war are a byproduct, not a reason.”

No doubt we all would like to think so, and in past wars that may have been true. But not in this one.

We’ll probably never know, but I have no doubt that this war was discussed behind closed doors aqnd before 9/11 when Cheney met with the “energy” people whom he refuses to identify.

He is that slimey.

But, give me a little credit, as I don’t post as some do on here just to shoot the s—t.

Let me refer you to the books, “Blood for Oil” and “Resource Wars” by Michael T. Klare and a report that may still be on the net (if you will read it) “The Rip-off of Iraq’s Oil Wealth” by Greg Muttitt at www carbonweb.org.

And, remind you that seventeen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorist came from our friendly country, Saudi Arabia. None came from Iraq.

Last, long before Iraq, the talk among the industrial/military complex (the term coined by Gen. Eisenhower - whose son, by the way, opposes this war) that anybody could go to Iraq, but “real men want to go to Iran”.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Southern Democrat

May 25, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Dusty,

I just got off the phone with a former student whose West Point graduation I won’t be able to attend to tell him how proud I was of him. He said he couldn’t believe he’d made it, but was nervous about going to Iraq even though he’d gotten outstanding training and wished there was better political leadership. As he said, the only reason the War on Terror is going to be perpetual is because of our terrible political leadership and it was mind-blowing how the civilians and the military were united on how badly botched the war was, but that “the political leadership” (can’t disrespect a commanding officer) still didn’t care.

Would you mind calling this almost 2d Lt. back and telling him he’s a traitor for me?

This Memorial Day I plan to take a minute and thank my Dad and uncles who fought in foreign wars for their service and, along with 60% of the country, mourn the loss of 3,000 lives to a war that we shouldn’t have fought, but did due to the incompetent leadership of a President, Vice President, and Secretary of Defense who never served a day in combat.

By steven daedalus

May 25, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Have a good time in Cuba Jim.

By RCH

May 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Dennis Is the industrial/military complex doing anything other industries don’t. Yes they may lobby politicians, but so does the pharmaceutical industry, tobacco, etc. Smoking (Lung cancer) kills more than the Iraq war will ever; but not one politician has ask for the end of tobacco production.

By deegee

May 25, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Interesting read on the topic concerning the recent history of war fever and who benefits from war.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/How-To-Start-A-WarMay02.htm

By Typical Jim

May 25, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Not surprised Wooten would trivialize our state parks. We’re lucky to have so many good ones. Just hope they are around for my kid. Take care of the parks, buy more land for state parks, and you might just get some tourists coming to them and spending their money. No one realizes there are some great golf courses at some of the state parks. Alabama has the Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail, and it brings in big tourist bucks. Tell me we can’t do things better than Alabama???

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

By RCH May 25, 2007 2:50 PM “Dennis Is the industrial/military complex doing anything other industries don’t.”

So in your value system, that justifys the Iraq war?

Not in mine.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it

By DumbedDown

May 25, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Where did this RCH character come from?

By Dusty

May 25, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,2:37

Well, congratulations!! You found a former student, a West Point graduate, who is not pleased to go to Iraq. Have you met anyone who is anxious to go to Iraq?

NO, of course not. It is hellish. But they go because they are fighting for this country. A few like your student are doing it for “duty”.

The traitors are the ones sitting at home encouraging our enemies with their cries and moans. Did your former student say he wanted to cut-n-run in Iraq? You wouldn’t ask him that because you know he would say NO.

Would he be in an anti-war protest march? No, of course not. Why not? Because he would consider it a betrayal of his country.

You can complain about my support for the country, the Commander-in-Chief, and the troops as long as you wish. There’s freedom of speech for both of us and I shall continue (and you probably will also).

So here’s to disagreement. Happy Memorial Day even for those who forget why we are having such a day.

By Dennis

May 25, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

By Dusty May 25, 2007 3:39 PM “Well, congratulations!! You found a former student, a West Point graduate, who is not pleased to go to Iraq. Have you met anyone who is anxious to go to Iraq?”

My apologies to All for getting in on this one; Dusty, after all of the exposed Bush lies about why we are in Iraq, even after members of his own party are opposed to him, even after many military generals have opposed him, even after many military personnel who have been there (tho admitedly not all) oppose him, you and neocons like you, including Jim Wooten, are the ones who are willing to continue to let the blood of American soldiers be wasted in Iraq - for the cause of GWB, whose cause has changed with the wind everytime it was politically expedient to do so. Nor can you deny that.

Perhaps the “traitors” are people like you suck it up while American soldiers needlessly die.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By JK

May 25, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

I think Southern Democrat’s former student would prefer to be entering the war-time military under competent leadership (not a record of gross miscalculations), a straigtforward agenda (instead of constantly changing rationale), an actual definable mission (instead of unrealistic, vague, open-ended generalizations), and commanders who are actually allowed to implement a plan to win the peace (instead of those being relieved of their duties when trying to insert competence to the quagmire).

But “good ‘mericans” like Dusty would rather they have none of these, and instead applaud the incompetent, uncaring administration that slashes their pay and benefits, keeps them returning to the front long after their duty has been fulfilled, and ignores then when they get home. You are the slimiest of all because you think if you keep shouting that you’re right you will be. STFU, Dusty. You’re not supporting the troops. You only keep defending your “special guy” because you’d rather watch another 3500 American soldiers DIE than admit you were wrong. Arrogance, they name is Dusty. ….spitting on your over-priced pedicure and ugly summer sandals on behalf of brave troops who are following orders, praying for sanity to intervene in this darkness….

Happy Memorial Day, Indeed!

By catlady

May 25, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

You are right, Jim, about the treatment of the government official at the Grady board meeting. Also beyond belief is that they are spending $250 per hour for someone to get out the word of how great the board is doing! And, given the budget constraints, it is imcompehensible that they spent $350,000 per month for advice on saving money! If I were in the counties that chip in the majority of the tax money, I would be sure to withhold like amounts until the board gets its priorities straight. No way should Grady be crying for help and blowing money like that! No sympathy from me!

By GodHatesTrash

May 25, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

The service academies still require a modicum of intelligence to enter.

No intelligent person would want to serve in the quagmire of Iraq under the gross malfeasance and incompetent “leadership” of the Chickenhawk-in-Chief. Love of country has nothing to do with it - only a moron or a fanatic (or, like the Woo-ten Klanners, moronic fanatics) would think he or she is serving his/her country by serving in Iraq.

By GodHatesTrash

May 25, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

The service academies still require a modicum of intelligence to enter.

No intelligent person would want to serve in the quagmire of Iraq under the gross malfeasance and incompetent “leadership” of the Chickenhawk-in-Chief. Love of country has nothing to do with it - only a moron or a fanatic (or, like the Woo-ten Klanners, moronic fanatics) would think he or she is serving his/her country by serving in Iraq.

By Redneck Convert

May 25, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Well, I guess Markus is barreling down thru Tennessee, so I’ll be quick before he gets on here and starts cussing everybody out.

I’m real sorry to see people picking on Sister Dusty. The poor thing ain’t been right ever since a stack of hymn books fell on her head down at the Church of Holiness. Ever since, she’s been picking fights with everybody. She means well, but if she had her way we would be fighting every army in the world.

I say get rid of Grady. Its just a place where Those People go to get free doctoring at the taxpayers expence. I’m glad I live up in north Forysth and don’t have to pay those Fulton and DeKalb taxes to support the place. It was pretty slick how the state stuck those two counties with the cost but keeps sending people from all over the state to it.

Well, the Baptists can rest easy. All my bars are stocked up and won’t run out no matter how much they drink. Have a good weekend, everybody. I know you’ll be thinking of all the dead soldiers while you’re slurping it down in the bars this weekend. I just wish some of the people here that talk about thinking about the dead military would have took the time to join up theirselfs. It seems the less they served the more they mouth off about remembering our war dead. There was plenty of space in the ranks for them too.

By deegee

May 25, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks to Realist at 11:52AM today we now have a way of distinguishing These People from Those People.

“The bottom line that the GOP isnt seeing, regarldless of where we stand on immigration, these people are much more likely to vote democrat in any case, because the democrats support the social services and aid that these poeple will immediately depend on to survive the day they recieve a legit SSN.”

By getalife

May 25, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Let us hope Iraq votes for withdrawal and cheney does not attack Iran.

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

If you just sustained the most major as-s whooping in history, had just been forced to mount the floor and lick Bush’s boots, would you try to change the subject and distract all the democrat dullards?:

{{{“I think the president’s policy is going to begin to unravel now,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who described the just-passed measure as a disappointment because it did not force an end to U.S. participation in the conflict.-Urinal}}}

Yes, I’m real sure that has been the plan all along, humiliate the sniveling Coward liberals who want to run screaming from the fight against the terrorists and then once he’s done slapping down the baby bitc-h democrats, then he would run screaming from the fight against the terrorists.

Geez.

Where do you libs come up with these fantasies?

Cowards.

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{{{Prosecutor wants jail time for Cheney aide. Fitzgerald: Libby shows no remorse-Urinal}}}

Remorse for what?

You know what I mean?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

McCain’s got an almost insurmountable lack of Conservative credibility to overcome but if he keeps this up:

{{{ “Obama wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG and a bong.” }}}

You got to like it.

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Knock, knock, knock knockin on Mookie’s door, hey hey hey hey yeah:

{{{A day after radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr resurfaced to end nearly four months in hiding and demand U.S. troops leave Iraq, American forces raided his Sadr City stronghold and killed five suspected militia fighters in air strikes Saturday.}}}

Is there anybody in there, is there anyone home?

Or have we cut and run, again?

Coward.

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{{{The ajc is changing its size: Beginning Wednesday, the AJC is getting a little bit slimmer. The print edition is being converted from a 50-inch product to a 48-inch sheet of newsprint, or web as it is called.-Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}

Yes!

Pretty soon the libs will shrink the Urinal down to an inch wide and then eventually nothing, no more bald faced pinko® rag in Atlanta.

Now if they could start things off right by “shrinking” their cartoonist.

Maybe, just maybe the Washington Times will expand a sister operation into Atlanta and we can join the rest of the world, like France, in getting normal, non hysterical news to read.

And not lied to.

That would be awesome.

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By Ever Notice?

May 26, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

That it is only the sociopaths, paranoid schizophrenics, and low IQers that still support Bush?

By @@

May 26, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Good grief! I’m not surprised by Nancy Pelosi’s “unravelling” comment. What is it that makes the Democrats the party of the “predisposed”?

They obviously have an addiction to “defeat”.

This visual aide reveals the problem with immigration.

The problem is NOT with the immigrants, it’s with immigration, and how our politicians are addressing it.

Roy Beck must be a conservative because he presents the problem with logic AND compassion.

By ron

May 26, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Or have we cut and run, again?

We?! WE?!!!

A twisted little twerp like you has never cut and run from anything in your gutless life. You would have had the courage to stand up and do something more than run your meely little mouth from the safety of the suburbs in the first place!

You sycophants and cowards have no idea what valor, honor and sacrifice entail.

Tell me you spineless little punk - what branch of the US armed forces did you serve in and when?

You chickenhawk. Especially on this sacred weekend, you make me sick.

By @@

May 26, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

This is an excellent article from the CFR. It clearly depicts the differences between what conservatives KNOW and what liberals THINK they know.

Public Opinion and War

Be sure and check out the link to the “interpretation” of public opinion during President Johnson’s administration and the Vietnam war.

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{{By BMLG May 26, 2007 10:25 AM You sycophants and cowards have no idea what valor, honor and sacrifice entail. Tell me you spineless little punk - what branch of the US armed forces did you serve in and when?}}}

U.S. Army, 2/8 Field Artillery attached to the 3/9 Infantry, MOS 13F, Forward Observer.

Any other wormy questions, stupid mofo?

Coward.

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By @@

May 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Oh…I didn’t know we had to qualify before speaking out in support of this country’s fighting forces. So here goes…the husband, not me served during Vietnam.

U.S. Army, Company B, 1st Battalion, 23rd Infantry, 2nd Infantry Division.

I got ^^^ that from the return address on a “love letter” sent home to me. I saved them all.

By @@

May 26, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Oh….and the cost in postage to mail the “love letters” was 12 cents.

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

U.S. Army, 2/8 Field Artillery attached to the 3/9 Infantry, MOS 13F, Forward Observer.

And your uncle was George S. Patton.

Yeah, sure, slimeball Liar. You make me sick.

By Sailor

May 26, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

The Sailor said Andi/e, you’e a fine girl…

Actualy, Andi/e is a “rear observer” now… S/he checks out my “artilllery” any chance s/he gets.

S/he got thrown out of the service - they asked, s/he told.

;>

By @@

May 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

…OMG, and there’s a cute little picture of “Snoopy dancing” on the back of the envelope. It says

“I SHOULD BE HOME SOON _ DAYS LEFT”

I remember he referred to it as being a “short timer”.

I think I’ll sit down and read those letters. It’s been awhile.

By @@

May 26, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

BMLG and Sailor:

You two liberals have a strange way of showing respect for those who served on this Memorial Day weekend.

You call them a liar and then ridicule.

I often see Markus addressing people like you here. I’ll borrow from him…

Sick Sick Sick.

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Pull your head out of the sand little girl. That lying POS served this nation in exactly the same manner you did - by wagging your yellow tongues and letting somebody/anybody else do the protecting.

Quoting that sleezebucket mucus only demonstrates what a worthless scumbag you aspire to be. Sick indeed.

By @@

May 26, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

You don’t have to “aspire” to be a scumbag BMLG (Large BM), you already are one.

How do I know this?

How does anyone who reads here know this?

I/they only have to look ^^^ up and see what you posted.

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

BMLG, Polly, Sailor, Loser Lib Wooten Blog Troll: Which name do you prefer to be addressed with?

I know one way we can prove my service to this great country, come to my house, stand in the front yard and yell about me being a “coward” and then fumble around in your pants like you are reaching for something.

We will all find out why I was called an Expert Marksman.

Plus, you’ll be a martyr!

Everybody will be happy!

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By BMLG

May 26, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Go read your letters, you little loser. And pretend you and your loathsome chickenhawk palsies are all patriots.

Defending traitors and nut jobs makes me sick.

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

You worthless little troll. Give me the address where your single wide is parked and I’ll be glad to come over.

Expert marksman! What a laugh! What did you do to qualify? Practice for hours shooting the neighborhood kids with your BB rifle, you yellow little freak.

By Blog Addiction Center

May 26, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

How does a guy that literally spends over half of his life on these blogs become a marksman Dull.?

Someone so mentally weak that the only stimulation in his world is a computer? A Marksman?

Oh please, “Expert Marksman” my azz. That takes practice. The only thing you are an expert at is changing your band-aids from the sores that developed on your azz years ago from sitting at the computer all day long.

Go google something Andy. Its easier than life.

By @@

May 26, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Although the comments of the multi-ID liberal blog troll don’t impress; the fact that Andy/WootenDull has the ability to hold THE LIBERAL TROLL captive here is very impressive.

Keep up the good work Andy. Everytime I witness your power over the liberals, I just have to laugh.

I’ll leave everyone with Michael Yon’s Memorial Day Message before I exit.

I’ll check in later though to see if Andy is still torturing your pathetic, dark souls.

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

How fitting Polly should be trolling under this nickname:

{{{By Blog Addiction Center May 26, 2007 11:55 AM}}}

I’ve told you dumb mofo’s my secret many, many times, I guess you are too overwhelmed with ring meat rage at the world to understand.

{{{How does a guy that literally spends over half of his life on these blogs become a marksman Dull.?}}}

Right now, I sit by the water’s edge, boat tied to the dock, with my laptop and wireless internet connection.

There are lots of things you don’t know about me, dic-khead.

But you, on the other hand, sit in your basement foaming at the mouth over things you cannot control, over people living their lives in ways that you don’t approve, it’s burning you up to even think about it.

I know these things for a fact.

Haha, Coward.

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By BMLG

May 26, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Scene 1:

Curly adorned in a shabby fake army jacket and stained boxers sitting in a plastic deck chair on his 4X4 wooden porch off the back of the single wide. He is drinking the cheapest beer he could find and spilling a fair amount of it. (What’s that address again?) Leaned up against the screen door with various holes in it is his trusty BB rifle.

A few feet away in the dusty and weed overgrown yard is a half filled plastic pool with a toy yacht and Ken and Barbie dolls aboard. (Our hero gets a raging stiffy just thinking about Barbie!)

Up ride several kids on their bikes and toss a bag of garbage hitting Curls right in the back of the head. He screams out various expletives and lunges for the rifle.

The kids take off laughing while our Gomer Pyle squeezes off a shot, misses by a country mile and hits the trailer across the dirt road breaking a window.

Out comes a very large, unkempt man swearing and lumbering towards Curly’s mansion.

Andie thinks better of trying to bring down the approaching beast and runs inside, locking the door behind him.

Next: How Curly has to resort to oral favors to keep from getting a thrashing.

By Blog Addiction Center

May 26, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

{{I’ve told you dumb mofo’s my secret many, many times, }

Get some help. Your secret world is creepy.

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Scene 1:

A dilapidated convenience store in Cobb county with various derelicts and other unsavory characters hanging around.

Our favorite miscreant Curly is inside buying some chewing tobacco and cheap beer. (In his back pocket are several packets of beef jerky and tampons that he has no intention of paying for).

A boy about 5 or 6 years old interrupts the transaction to inquire about some bubble gum. Curly, enraged at the child, backhands him across the floor.

The boy’s older brother, probably 12 or 13, walks up and says how ‘bout trying that with someone closer to your own size? Curly throws a wild punch that misses badly and then begins throwing various canned items at the boys but again misses terribly and breaks the window in the front door.

The cops are called and soon arrive to mace and subdue the now maniacal Curly. As they are gathering all of the information, up walks an very unattractive woman with most of her teeth missing by the name of Fat Fat.

For reasons still never understood, she proceeds to tell the cops that Curly was actually the victim in this whole affair and that as a decorated war veteran, he should be the one to press charges.

She was taken to jail for making false statements and trying to aid and abet a known criminal.

By CyberVirtualWarHero

May 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

I have a Purple Heart from blogging my fingers raw.

I’m Andi/e. Coward. Chickenhawk.

Soldier?

Nahhhhh.

By Dusty

May 26, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

BMLG and all your other IDs,

How about doing us a favor. Move away from your computer. This is a great weekend. We commemorate the men and women who died fighting for this country.

Your stuff is too sick to be here. It is not cute, funny, literate, or suitable. It is ugly and obscene.

Try to improve your life and make it decent. Start now. You have a long way to go.

By @@

May 26, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

BMLG/PoliFore:

You seem to be drawing on some dark place in your past with your blog musings today.

From a purely psychological perspective, you concern me.

Were you verbally and/or physically abused by an angry male authority figure in your childhood? You really are beginning to sound like a victim of abuse using this blog as an outlet for the anger you couldn’t release for fear of reprisal when you were a child.

This is not the place where you should be crying out for help. You need to do that face to face with a counselor. You can find no “emotional” healing here.

You truly need to seek professional help. It sounds as though you’ve had a “personality split” to protect your inner child.

By TrekkieDull

May 26, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Marcus! Where are you Markus. These people are being mean to me. Please tell them I’m your Conservative buddy. WE CONSERVATIVES RULE THE WEEKENDS!!!! Right Marcus?

Marcus, do you want to spend the night tonight? We can play Star Trek-Next Generation and rule the weekend! Rock on. I got 2 new communicators!

DuDaDaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

By bon scott

May 26, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

By WootenDull - May 26, 2007 8:03 AM - Maybe, just maybe the Washington Times will expand a sister operation into Atlanta and we can join the rest of the world, like France, in getting normal, non hysterical news to read. And not lied to. That would be awesome.

I usually avoid commenting on Wooten’s blog. I often don’t agree with him (sometimes I do), but he does have a lot of common sense. I’d refer to him as a rational conservative, and I don’t like to throw grenades in blogs that serve a useful purpose, disseminating and discussing his columns.

But as for you, Andy… well, either you just haven’t been taking your meds, or you’re guzzling the mad dog again.

A sister paper to the Washington Times?? In Atlanta?? Uncle Moon has lost BILLIONS on the Washington Times, mainly because almost nobody reads it, and it’s circulation would be even lower if the rag weren’t shoved into your hands by homeless people in the DC Metro making a little more MD 20/20 change.

I don’t think even the “son of God’s” pockets are THAT deep. But if he wants to squander his cash on a paper in Atlanta that is guaranteed to lose almost as much money and have even fewer readers than it’s Washington brother, so be it. Even convicted felons, like Moon, have the right to make really stupid investments.

BTW, you haven’t been to France lately, have you? There’s so many leftist publications there, and some are so off the wall, they even make me gag.

Time to go out and play. It’s a beautiful day!

By Lickodull

May 26, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Speaking of ugly and obscene, you should meet my wife/husband.

Badabump!

Seriously though, while we’re on the subject of ugly and obscene - anyone seen Bi Danish today?

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Some people bait gays (Hi Polly!) I bait finchie:

{{{By bon scott May 26, 2007 1:40 PM A sister paper to the Washington Times?? In Atlanta??}}}

By the way, it appears that I have someone else’s head spinning:

{{{By CyberVirtualWarHero May 26, 2007 12:55 PM I have a Purple Heart from blogging my fingers raw.}}}

Am I ruining your weekend Polly? Does hearing someone express pride in America really suck for you? Is the truth I tell about you sniveling Coward liberals just tearing your as-s up?

Excellent.

I’m glad to hear it.

You little Coward you.

XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX my a-ss.

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Fat fat, save your faux concern and psychobabble for someone who doesn’t find you a withering dolt. The only things you care about are defending puss buckets and encouraging lying traitors. You and that sickotwat Dusty need help, but the kind I’m thinking of involves a great deal of pain and not some mamby pamby counselor.

Curly too needs an anal specialist. Speaking of which, where is Mucus?

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Curly, you are preoccupied with the male posterior, no? Is there something you need to come clean about?

Don’t worry, in spite of your own self-loathing, it is safe to come out.

People aren’t repulsed by your sexual peccadilloes, just by your filthy ideas and anti-Americanism.

By Dusty

May 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

BMLG,2:21

You are a pain. There is no Curly and no Mucus. Your hallucinations are getting worse.

You must be posting from prison just like Rudolph. Maybe you are Rudolph. He likes to threaten people while spending his life in prison. Two of a kind or one sick psycho.

By BMLG

May 26, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Filthy, I am your worst nightmare. I’m one of the growing legions who will never appease you yellow slimeballs and screwups. Eradicating you traitorous cockroaches strengthens this republic. And on this sacred weekend, it is my privilege, no, my sacred mission to do so.

By Ray

May 26, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Thought it only appropriate on this sacred weekend to thank all of the ‘free labor’ that has died in Iraq so that I can go perch on the new 30’ Wilbur for a spell…God Bless Bush for the economy!!!!! Get in the game, silly libs….

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

{{{By BMLG May 26, 2007 2:55 PM And on this sacred weekend, it is my privilege, no, my sacred mission to do so.}}}

Everybody get that?

Sounds like something a dumb as-s suicide bomber would say, don’t it?

Geez.

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By @@

May 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Delusional LGBM:

Eradicating you traitorous cockroaches strengthens this republic. And on this sacred weekend, it is my privilege, no, my sacred mission to do so.

Have you tried hitting the delete button on your keyboard?

I know it won’t work, but you can pretend.

By WootenDull

May 26, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Let’s look at 2 totally different sides in the American political scene:

{{{So all of the Iraq maneuvering was merely for show to appease the antiwar left that elected Democrats. Ms. Pelosi couldn’t even deliver a majority of her own Members for the war spending bill, and she voted “no” herself. Thus she can claim to oppose the war but also sleep easily knowing that others voted to fund it. The troops will be funded because 194 Republicans joined 86 Democrats to support it. Two Republicans and 140 Democrats opposed it.}}}

On the one hand you have the sniveling Coward liberals, who care nothing for the troops, who care nothing for our security, care nothing for the freedom of the people of Iraq, no, all they care about is their stupid government paycheck and what ever it takes to get some votes.

And then you have a man, a True Patriot:

{{{Whatever his mistakes as a war leader, Mr. Bush at least hasn’t betrayed our allies or troops in the field for the sake of reviving his poll numbers. He was also right to defend the war powers of the Presidency against Congressional micromanagement. His obligation now is to do whatever it takes to succeed in Iraq so that the men and women fighting this war will not sacrifice in vain.}}}

He understands what America is about and will not run from that.

Like you goony democrats would in a heartbeat.

Cowards.

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