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DEL.ICIO.USImmigration: Any minds changed?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Whatever you think about the immigration bill now being debated in the U.S. Senate, you have to give credit to U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson for leadership. They jumped into a contentious public issue bound to be divisive, no matter the details, and have actively and patiently dealt with the concerns raised by opponents.
Both defend the bill, but say too that they could end up voting against it. In a conversation with Isakson earlier in the week, I expressed the concern common among conservative opponents that illegals get amnesty but our borders still won’t be secured. As he’s done repeatedly since, he patiently spelled out what he believes to be evidence to the contrary: the beefed-up Border Patrol, an increase in detention beds to 27,5000 to end catch-and-release, aerial surveillance, and other barriers, including 370 miles of fencing — and the trigger that requires those first. He made the now familiar arguments, too, that it’s not amnesty because of the fines and back-of-the-line requirement that doesn’t put them ahead of those who are playing by the rules.
The point here, though, is not to rehash the known provisions of the immigration bill, but to note that, agree or not, it’s an example of elected officials staking out a position on an unpopular question and then making themselves readily available to explain it — and to sell it. Georgia’s Gold Dome Republicans should taken notice.
I’m still not sold on the bill. It basically comes down to trust — and there’s really no reason to trust Congress or future administrations to honor the immigration law they write. They didn’t before.
The real question here, though, is this: Chambliss and Isakson say they believe that support is building in Georgia. Is it? Have you changed your mind on any of its provisions in the five or six days since the details became public?
Comments
By jbmlaw
May 24, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I was an open-borders advocate before the proposed bill, and I will be an open-borders advocate after the present kerfuffle is resolved, whether a new bill passes or not. It is interesting to me that Saxbe and Johnny are definitely not taking the easy route – and frankly that was not my expectation. I think the bill does not go far enough to make it easy to immigrate to the US, and I think the terms of “amnesty” are too onerous.
I think the best line on the matter is Dan Henninger’s: “One is tempted to settle for a politics whose goals rise no higher than destroying the careers of opposition party figures. But the fate of the immigration bill—an attempt to resolve a real problem—reveals the costs [of] a system in a state of permanent opposition. The left prefers unsolved immigration as an issue to “run” on. The right, more bizarre, insisted we “do something” about illegal immigration, then revealed this week it will let nothing qualify as a solution.” http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110010115
By MinutemanMike
May 24, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
By deegee
May 23, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
AM, since you asked… I am not exactly attached to lawbreakers that drive 70 mph on GA 400 but I will admit to being one of them. I have tried driving the speed limit on 400 but I always have to speed up before causing a wreck or getting road raged. Where are thse Minutemen when you need them?
What do you think that we are doing deegee! Drinkin Budweiser, bustin caps on rabbits, spittin, scratchin, fart%n and telling each other what big brave men we are. We get to save Amurca and have some good amurcan fun too. Why I’ll bet ya that one day our misguided presdent will have us up to the big house and give us all an aaward. Proclaim us legends in our own minds. All you ungrateful mexkin lovin libruls need to honor us great examples of white amurcan defenders of this anglo-saxon state that our almighty God has given us. If it ain’t white, it ain’t right. If it looks brown, it must go down. That’s the Minuteman Stand.
By DustyYouSuck
May 24, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
Spc. Daniel Seitz, 22, from Pensacola, Fla., said he was trying to stay strong and push ahead with the search.
“It just angers me that it’s just another friend I’ve got to lose and deal with, because I’ve already lost 13 friends since I’ve been here and I don’t know if I can take any more of this,” he said.
Just for you Dusty. You misguided bi*ch. Stick another yellow ribbon up your kazoo.
By DebbieDoRight
May 24, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
Why haven’t some of you Mintue Men enlisted to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan? It seems to me “protecting” us from unarmed illegals is a great feat; however you can really “protect” us from the terrorist threat in Iraq, why not join up and do your country proud?!!
By RCH
May 24, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
Jim As you and I know this bill is a feel good shame. It is strictly amnesty. One of the provisions states the bread winner must return to his home country for a year and then pay a $5,000 fine. He can leave his family here.Since most of these illegal aliens are poor how can he earn this money in a country he left for economic reasons. Since he is probably the sole bread winner, who will take care of his family? This will be simply forgiven like most of the provisions of this bill. Lets concentrate on stopping illegal immigration first and then write a bill that works.
By Dennis
May 24, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
The senator’s stands on illegal immigrants becoming legal immigrants are because they both know that most Americans are opposed to it.
Bush is on the weay out so they don’t need to support him anymore, and, elections are coming up, and, both intend to run again.
They want the vote of Georgians, both knowing that illegal immigrants can’t vote, and this is the way to get those votes.
Wooten’s column this morning is nothing more than a sly attempt to shield for the senators.
Propaganda at best.
Don’t be fooled.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By MinutemanMike
May 24, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
Are you crazy DebbieDoRight? We have more impotent things to do, just like our great and wonderful VP did. Us great Amurcans are way to busy shootin varmints, drinkin beer, chewin, spittin, scratchin our butts, fartin, and harrassing Mexcins like all real Amurcans should be doin. It is our mission from God Almighty to defend our great white anglo-saxon republic from the brown hordes of invaders. And I just love it when once or twice every month or so we actually catch one. We have to rough em up a little before we turn em over though so’s we can feel all good about ourselfs as the big strong Amurcan males that we are. I really luv it the most when we catch one of them purty little brown seoritas. We have some reeeeel fun with them and sometimes might even keep em a day or two before we let the feds have em. Cause we are big brave Amurcan men and to the mighty victors go the senorita spoils. I just wish the presdent would hurry and give us our medals of freedom for efforts. Anyway, as you can see. We are way to busy doin the impotent stuff to mess around with all that mess over yonder. So Debbie, tie a yeller ribbon on your tree fer us cause we are God’s warriors keepin your c** white and write. And always remember. If it ain’t white it ain’t right. If it is brown it must go down. That be the minuteman stand.
By getalife
May 24, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
Open borders?
Sure why not?
Commit genocide in Iraq, leave OBL in Pakistan planning his next attack, build permanent military bases in the ME and leave the border wide open.
Are you freaking crazy?
National security?
Please.
Anyhoo, watching Lou Dobb’s left me confused. He is reporting they will not pay back taxes but two posters said they would yesterday.
This bill will fast track the North American Union for you open border advocates.
To answer Jim’s question, I think the two Senators from Ga. are committing political suicide. No big loss in my opinion, they are Bushies.
By lucky
May 24, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this
Our country has been taken advantage of by the corrupt Latin American governments, and too many politicians have encouraged this corruption to spread here. Sam Nunn is on a committee to bring on the North American Union. And both Chambliss and Isakson must surely have financial rewards in the form of lobbyist employment after their terms are up. That is the only sensible reason for this treason. Both Chambliss and Isakson are lying about the response of Georgians to their support of this behavior. I visited their offices and no one is calling with support.
Our present immigration laws are not being enforced, border patrol agents who attempt to apprehend drug smugglers are in prison, gang members and criminal invaders are offered free benefits and special provisions under the new bill, and a vast Homeland Security agency does not pursue criminal employers. These are incurring in our country intentionally by the executive branch.
Can someone answer two questions: 1. Why do we need “immigration reform and a guest worker program” in order to secure our borders? and 2. How will all the tenants of this new bill be enforced when we cannot enforce our existing laws?
By jeff
May 24, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
they broke our laws coming here and they are illigal. Catch them, Send them back, Build the biggest wall so they can’t come back. If you don’t this is going to be come the United States of Mexico.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
Minuteman Mike Another good point.Who will know how much these people have earned under the table. Do you think they will disclose the full amount? Right! If you believe that I have some beach front property to sell you in Alpharetta. At least they will have learned one lesson on becoming an American. How to fudge on your taxes. LOL
By Robert
May 24, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
RCH, are you really D.A. King or just shilling for him?
By DebbieDoRight
May 24, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Can someone answer two questions: 1. Why do we need “immigration reform and a guest worker program” in order to secure our borders?
We don’t. That’s the Catch 22. We can secure our borders WITHOUT having the guest worker program. However, if you’re a career politician, you have to think on the fact that even if the FIRST generation of “illegals” are here illegally, the SECOND and THIRD are not; and they can be a pretty strong voting block AGAINST you if they want.
and 2. How will all the tenants of this new bill be enforced when we cannot enforce our existing laws?
Who knows. I’m all for open borders, per se; however, as Al Queada has shown us, we need to keep up with the people who are over here to make sure they are truly trying to become Citizens of America; and not foes of America.
Minute Man: Too funny!! Scratching your butt and farting!!! Stop watching those Hee Haw reruns!! Southerners do NOT do that…..anymore. :)
By getalife
May 24, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
We can moan, cry, protest, write letters, donate to the corrupt politicians but in the end, corporate money wins over we the people.
You can see this in today’s vote on dems caving on Iraq.
You will see this immigration bill passed and we will have to accept this reality.
By BuenosDiosRCH
May 24, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
Hey RCH! Got big plans for the pity party after they all become legal! LOL! I’ll be down at the No Mas Cantina celebrating with all the lovely senoritas! Say hello to MinutemanMike for me. Si Se Puede loser boy! LMAO!! ROFL!!!
By RCH
May 24, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Robert Please don’t tell me that you think these provisions will be enforced.You can’t be that naive. You probably believed Ronald Regan that after amnesty of 3 million we would control our borders to. Where did the 12 million come from after that. Maybe I should ask you how much beachfront property in Alharetta do you want?
By harold
May 24, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
Chambliss and Isakson and Bush and Kennedy sign in unison:
ˇEl Sur se levantará otra vez!
(translation: the South shall rise again)
Why ain’t the rebel flag wavers yee-hawin? This is EXACTLY what they’ve wanted for 150 years!!!!!!!
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
What is happening is that these rich white folks wants some more cheap labor. they always trying to get over on the poor people. Now that african americans is getting power, they bringing in these illegals to undermine us. Its all a big plan by the white republicans to put african americans back down and not pay us. How can you let them in give them everything when they still owe us for being slaves?
By AllianzaDeMarzo17
May 24, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
By DebbieDoRight
May 24, 2007 9:27 AM We don’t. That’s the Catch 22. We can secure our borders WITHOUT having the guest worker program. However, if you’re a career politician, you have to think on the fact that even if the FIRST generation of “illegals” are here illegally, the SECOND and THIRD are not; and they can be a pretty strong voting block AGAINST you if they want.
And we intend to do just that DebbieDoRight! The machinery is in motion. To include forming PACS to pour money into political campaigns. And we are ALL legal NOW! So the rednecks can just hold the “can’t do that” argument. Our battery of lawyers have squared us right away. We will go after every politicians that has used us as pawns while pandering to their racist, bigoted, nativist, constituencies. And we WILL get them.
By Bankhead Resident
May 24, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
Once the Democrats take back the White house, there will be a laundry list of issues to address: Reducing the employment disparity, eliminating health disparities, eliminating disparate funding in public schools, social security, increasing the budget for medicare, summer youth employment programs, ending police violence, revising the death penalty, increasing job training and reducing the number of prisons, and once all of those issues are addressed then we will get to border control. And this will all be paid for by a your taxes. Isn’t the GOP wonderful?
By harold
May 24, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
at least now we know why bush sent the military to permanent bog down in iraq: so they could not defend this country against bush’s mexican invasion!
By JP
May 24, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
It’d be nice if they woudl exhibit some leadership on Iraq, instead of continuing to lick the boots of George Bush.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
BuenosDios Party well.Do you think you will be last ethnic group to immigrate here. I think not. You are but a ripple of the next tidal wave of immigration to follow.It will cross ethnic lines and it will not be stopped by any bill. Care to guess? Ask the Europeans.
By jm
May 24, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Leadership from Senators Chambliss and Isakson? That is funny. The two are Bushbots who are going to vote for this bill because the campaign contributors from big agriculture interests in the state tell them to.
Funny, I thought the Reagan Amnesty bill was supposed to end all of this but the temptation for big business to “cheat” and hire cheap labor was too great.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Dawggonetruth You have proven my point I made yesterday. Every minoirity will fight over who should be entitled. You can pull the slave card.” **BuenosDios,what card will you play?
By Jmarsh
May 24, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight, I have already been an enlisted grunt, thanks.
Getalife: You’re confused between the Dobbs and two posters on the internet about the intent and wording of a bill? I hate to sound obvious here, but why don’t you go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and just read it? Yes, Debbie, some of us Army guys kin reed.
By Redneck Convert
May 24, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Well, my buddy Jim Earl come up with the big fix for poverty in this country: ship all the poor and Those People to Mexico, the way Mexico ships their poor to us.
Anyway, this new bill just shows that the opinion of most folks don’t matter at all. 70 percent of the country is against this new bill but it is going to pass because the bosses need workers they can give low pay to. See, 70 percent of the country don’t give to campaigns, but 100 percent of the bosses do.
So we will make the 12 million illegals legal and then let 20 million more sneak across the border. Show me a 50 foot wall and I will show you a 51 foot ladder. And so ten years from now there will be another bill to make the 20 million legal.
All Saxby and Johnny want is to pay off the money they got from the big farmers and factories that want lots of cheap labor. They can always tell them they tryed if it don’t work out and things get too hot for them towards election time and they have to change their mind.
Anyway when my beer truck job gets took by the Mexicans I figure I can mow their yard when they start building the big houses. I got out the riding mower last night and it runs pretty good. And maybe next time Congress will pass amnesty for us rednecks. But if the new legals are going to make a run at the missus they had better have plenty of money for food. She won’t stand for not being took to Ryans a couple times a week. She will be madder than Sister Dusty was when Joe Bill done the No. 1 at the altar down at the Church of Holiness.
By getalife
May 24, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
JMarsh,
I am waiting on all the amendments to pass and one of Dobb’s rants is that the poiticians do not read the bill.
Are saying Dobb’s has not read it and is lying? He has been addressing issue for years.
I trust him on this issue.
By JK
May 24, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson: Leadership?
Hahahahaha! Good one. HAHAHA! Brother D-Day and Brother Bluto were leaders. These guys are still Pinto and Flounder at the big GOP Frat Party in DC. Did you think they actually work for YOU? HAHA! Brother Bluto says vote yes on this, no on that, have a town hall meeting with the white folks about the brown ones… Drink up, boys! Dean Wormer’s gonna take the bar soon. “Leaders…” Hahaha!
By getalife
May 24, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
Well, I thought things might change when the dems won in 06.
I was wrong.
Of course, the same dems gave us NAFTA and free trade so it is to be expected.
When they spew about national security it is bs. They will leave our borders open for free trade.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
RCH, you talk as slavery never happened, who got rich off the backs of slaves? those families are still rich today, and now they want more labor at a cheap cost, labor at which they are going to pay not much more than they did slaves. Slaves were given food and shelter, which is about all these mexicans can pay for with the salary that they can expect. Yeah, I play the ignorant negroe card to get you guys riled up a bit and you take the bait everyday. What is happening is exactly what an earlier poster said, the white poor(redneck)and Black poor (colored boys) are going to be displaced from our jobs by cheap guest workers and their families. Quiz for all of you, how much federal and state income tax is held out of these guys checks? Who is at the health department right now? Who is getting hired at shaw industries today? not a black man!! or a redneck! so for the first time in history the white man and the black man is in the same boat.
By Realist
May 24, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
Saxby and Johnny arent leaders. If they were, they would be listening to thier constituency, and not posturing for politcal reasons.
Explain to me how the sealing of the borders becomes so important, if under the current bill we will allow LEGALLY the issue of greencards to somewhere around 600,000 per year? Oh I remember, they can come, but they have to go home in two years. OK, and who enforces that again? If we cant enforce it today, how do we enforce it when those 600K a year dont WANT to go home.
In many ways, Im siding with the dems on this one. The GOP is making a huge blunder by not listenting to what America wants, and what that is is for the ones here today to stand in line and gain residency legally. If we can enforce the new legislation, then we can enforce the current laws.
Im disgusted by this whole thing. It stinks of back room politics where the American citizens voice is clearly not important.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Here is a brief excerpt and a link to the article out of the Rocky Mountain News that will shed some light on why congress is finally taking action on immigration reform. Last year, at the behest of Tom Tancredo, Colorado enacted tough laws designed to crackdown on illegal labor. It is similar to legislation that Chip Rogers wrote and was just signed by Sonny Perdue. The aftermath has left Colorado with deep deficits in labor and has cost the state a couple of million to enforce.
“There are no easy solutions,” said Pete Meersman, head of the Colorado Restaurant Association, which represents an industry employing about 230,000. “We are asking Congress to put politics aside.” Meersman echoed others who said they don’t see enough people applying for jobs. The Broadmoor Hotel, for instance, received only six responses to ads for about 280 positions with starting pay of $8 to $10 an hour and the potential for tips. “We simply cannot find enough U.S. workers,” said Cindy Clark, human resources director of the luxury hotel in Colorado Springs.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/otherbusiness/article/0,2777,DRMN23916_5517623,00.html
By Realist
May 24, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Mexico is the third largest producer of oil. We get about 60% of our oil from Mexico, thier largest export. With that said, Mexico takes in more money to thier economy from illegals sending money home than they do from oil export. It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out why the GOP is striking a mexico freindly deal. To keep the oil flowing and to stop the bleed of American dollars.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nation/article/0,1299,DRMN165551501,00.html
By RCH
May 24, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
* dawg_gone_truth* Whats the matter? Don’t you like “Brown”? How do you like being called a “racist”. I agree with what you are trying to say.When many of these illegals become legal and recieve minimum wage, taxes, etc they will be fired and another illegal will take their place.Maybe they will be Chinese? The cycle will start over again. How can you fix a bathtub when the water is still running. You first have to turn the water off.Yes, employers want cheap workers but on the flip side someone has to pay the social services for them. Simple, A one million dollar fine for hiring an illegal alien and one year in jail for the CEO or owner. I bet it would stop tommorow.
By Jmarsh
May 24, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
getalife, until the amendments are stuck on there, the bill is the bill. Do the amendments really matter, since the text of the original is so heinous to begin with? I listened to Dobbs before my flight out yesterday, and I was just glad that most of the heads around me were nodding.
Illegal immigrants only make up 24% of the agricultural labor force. “Big business” (ooooh, what a dirty, dirty word. Unless it’s the one you work for, of course)… Unions are also “big business,” except they don’t produce anything. Business doesn’t pass laws, they only petition the government. YOU elect politicians. It’s OUR fault.
This little soiree is going to sink Chambliss with voters like me. Support is building with the “yes we can” crowd , but it’s made a new crop of “real” conservatives that will appear in just a few years (you know, the foreigners that are five years into their application process.) It seems like this is throwing 2/3 of the democratic electorate under the bus, including unions and low income non-hispanic minorities who would be competing for the same jobs.
By Ed
May 24, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
No, my opinion has not changed. The whole program begins with illegal actions of aliens on our soil, and a government sanctioned method to legitimize their illegal presence here.
Mike King’s editorial suggesting that taxpayers should subsidize the college educatio of illegal aliens was disappointing, if not shocking. At a time our governments are devising new rules to find ways to cut back on the number of scholarships given out and loans provided to our own citizens (and succeeding, at great personal cost to our own teens), the timing of the editorial was a very insensitive.
There are probably whole sectors of Americans in prison that could benefit from an “amnesty” program to make them law abiding productive citizens in the future. Shouldn’t our compassion start here at home?
By JK
May 24, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
Hello Mr. Realist. Sadly, the Dems’ hands are not clean from the smudges of political posturing here either.
In the midst of all our troubles, I think we can see some measure of progress for Americans in this: More of us (but clearly not all) are backing away from rigid party loyalty, making excuses for one while blasting the other, and looking realistically at what our elected representatives are doing. It is only by paying attention, voicing our concerns, and HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE, will we take back the government of, by, and for the people from the corporate, big-money interests that currently own it. They should care what WE think, and not weigh our opinions by the size of the contribution check attached to them. But it’s up to us to make that happen.
By Realist
May 24, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
I agree JK. Yes, neither party is listening.
Ive said since 09/11 and everything that followed with the division in the country over Bush and Iraq. We need something to bring us together. A common cause. If its immigration so be it. I actually thought it would be another terrorist attack (which I still think is coming sooner than later).
I look at this thing from every angle. From the oil aspect, to the cheap labor for agri and business, to the votes and political power, to social security and tax revenue, and I cant for the life of me come up with any angle that benefits hard working Americans. Not one. They simply arent listening and just dont care. Im proud of my Alabama senators. They have stood firm against this thing. Wish I could vote for them becuase these GA nuts have lost me.
By DLandry
May 24, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Accepting the fact that these criminal aliens are already here so we should make them legal is not reality…it’s an easy solution to a problem. The correct and best thing to do for the survival of our contry is to round them all up and send them back to Mexico! Then we complete the wall and security cameras and dare them to try to sneak back in. I will settle for nothing less, PERIOD!
By getalife
May 24, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
JMarsh,
Well, so far a amendment cut the temp workers in half.
It is refreshing to read posters not towing the party line with w.
In the end, the Corps will win and the people will lose.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
RCH, Actually, I’m not brown or black for that matter, I’m a white guy playing devils advocate. I put myself in the shoes of others from time to time and try to argue the point from there to help me understand. I have lately been defending MV7, on other blogs, its been a riot. This illegals bill is a hot button with me, the real me, I am from the carpet capital of the world and I started seeing the influx in the early 90’s, wages started holding steady and white and blacks with years and years of experience were being replaced by cheap labor. I saw the same person in one instance hired twice as two different people. Yes managment knew but she worked cheaper than anyone else. What this boils down too is big business is going to back this bill and there is not a thing we can do. I told a buddy the other day, that our kids are going to know what the Cherokee Indian trides went through, we are going to lose our country by trying to incorporate these people, they don’t comform to our standards or culture, in Dalton unless you are bilingual you are screwed. Don’t really have a point here, just bithching!
By Mark
May 24, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
1) All illegals to be rounded up and sent back to where they came
2) Wall constructed at borders to keep them there
3) Anyone caught trying to enter to be shot on sight.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
dawggonetruth As I have stated before. This is an economic issue not a race issue.Your job will either be outsourced or you will be replaced by those who would work for lower wages. I have not changed my mind about this worthless bill.Since our lawmakers refuse to come up with a workable solution it is easier to just make them legal. As for the language problem;just make English the official language of this country. All official documentation in English.How can we communicate among ourselves if 100 different languages are spoken here. If you want to speak a different language at home or with others that is your business.
By Businessman
May 24, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
You deport em all rednecks remind me of the “kill em all, let God sort em out” lunatics.Every one of you morons will be squalling like mashed cats when the price of everything from vegetables, fruit, housing, landscaping, you name it, goes through the roof. You guys are just plain ignorant. And most of you are probably the very folks that can afford the least to be advocating the idoicy that I hear in regard to this issue. Of course saner people than you are going to get this bill done, but remember morons, be careful what you ask for, cause you just might get it.
By Jose
May 24, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
a this point immigration only benefits immigrants. Americans don’t need it, there are enough people here right now to do all the jobs we need done. immigrants are only needed now to support latino businesses and the latino comunity. businesses have not been passing along their savings from cheap labor, they’ve just been pocketing more profit and that stupid theory of trickle down just never happens. right now, there is absolutely no benefit for Americans when it comes to immigration, it only hurts Americans.
By Mark
May 24, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
Businessman,
Morons like you are simply part of the problem. Maybe you and your ilk should be deported as well…..
By Businessman
May 24, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Moron Mark, you can bet it will be a joy and a pleasure passing along the increased costs of it all right along to you non thinking racist rednecks. The bottom line is going to stay the same for for the sellers. Bet that jackas%. Should you get what you ask for, you will definately get to pay for it. And no pun intended. Get a grip gonzo.
By RWH
May 24, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
No matter what is said or who says it..the bottom line is America is cheaply being taken for granted by everyone who set foot or want to come be it illegally or by other means and our law-makers are permitting it to continue. We have Immigration Laws and the Due Process. Have we all forgotten about that? Not one Senator or Represenative have stood up and said that regardless who is here and they are here illegally, our Immigration laws must not be waived or violated. We are mandating that those who are here illegally must return to their country and file the proper immigration papers. Unless they do so, they are trustpassing and the Immigration laws will prosecute to the fullest extent. I have never seen this come up on the senate floor and no one is debating it legally. Rather, they are trying to come up with some easy ways of solving the problem. Not long, you will see instead of 12 millions it will be 24 millions and among them you will find that 20 of those who enter and planning to attack these United States because we have lower our guards and our protection are down and anyone can get through our Immigration Laws illegally. They can just walk right in and stay a while as we continue to debate this immigration issues.
By lucky
May 24, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
I am sick and tired of helping people who live irresponsibly. Illegals would not need to come here if they would just focus on education and wait until they can afford children before having them. My children and grandchildren will have to suffer to pay their costs as a results. Even when here illegally, they are irresponsible by trashing neighborhoods, driving drunk and either spending or sending all their money. Too stupid to keep a low profile, they march in the streets demanding benefits and waiving foreign flags.
Democrats want them because they want votes. Okay, we promise we’ll vote for you guys if you just send the illegals home.
Republicans want them because their cronies want bigger profits. Okay, we promise we will send some of our money to your cronies. It will be far cheaper than paying the bill for illegals.
There, compromise. Done.
By catlady
May 24, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
It is pretty funny how our senators are backpeddaling now that they see such an outcry from the folks they represent. Remember, however, that they also represent the agricultural interests of S. Ga and the homebuilders of Atlanta, so the “little folks” are not all that important.
Seems like to me this should be completely in stages. First, secure the borders. Nothing else discussed UNTIL THAT IS COMPETELY DONE. Don’t tie anything else to it. Show that we have the willpower and manpower to do that one simple thing. That is the ONLY WAY the border will EVER be secured—to hold any other changes hostage until that happens. I bet it would be done very quickly if it is a totally separate action. No other discussions until it is. No pretending, like the idea of a “trigger”—we will have the same declaration of “mission accomplished” that we saw in Iraq when the job is not done.
By Jack
May 24, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
Amen Catlady.
By Mark
May 24, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
* Businessman*,
Being from the north, I’m far from a “racist redneck”. But I understand. Your whole argument is based on speculation, and you sure are good at that!
By harold
May 24, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
Securing the border will do nothing except send Mexicans to Canada first like Cubans.
We are talking about two land borders plus the Pacific and Atlantic that need “secured.”
Harold says good freakin luck.
For a nation this size it is impossible.
By SchoolTeacher
May 24, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
By RWH
May 24, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
No matter what is said or who says it..the bottom line is America is cheaply being taken for granted by everyone who set foot or want to come be it illegally or by other means and our law-makers are permitting it to continue. We have Immigration Laws and the Due Process. Have we all forgotten about that? Not one Senator or Represenative have stood up and said that regardless who is here and they are here illegally, our Immigration laws must not be waived or violated. We are mandating that those who are here illegally must return to their country and file the proper immigration papers. Unless they do so, they are trustpassing and the Immigration laws will prosecute to the fullest extent. I have never seen this come up on the senate floor and no one is debating it legally. Rather, they are trying to come up with some easy ways of solving the problem. Not long, you will see instead of 12 millions it will be 24 millions and among them you will find that 20 of those who enter and planning to attack these United States because we have lower our guards and our protection are down and anyone can get through our Immigration Laws illegally. They can just walk right in and stay a while as we continue to debate this immigration issues.
Based upon your writing skills I can see why you feel so threatened by these immigrants. They probably are more educated then you. Go to night school or something.
By getalife
May 24, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
Necesitamos mecanografiar en espańol a para conseguirte listo para tu nuevo empleo futuro y para comunicarnos con los nuevos inmigrantes legales.
By Mark
May 24, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
getalife
Maba la pinga.
By Apocalypse
May 24, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
The illegals should be made legals. What else are we going to do with them? Ship them back, or arrest all of them? Legalize them and collect their taxes!
By Apocalypse
May 24, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Mark,
Just because you are from the north doesn’t mean you are not racist. Perhaps not a racist redneck, but you could still be racist. Racism existing only in the south is a media concoction created by non southern whites.
By Jmarsh
May 24, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
People, “big business” is not the carpet mill that employs 100 people. Big business is not 3 peanut farms with 450 workers. It’s not the plumber with two trucks. A “big business” would be Delta, Dow, Bank of America, etc. How many illegals you think Delta hired last year?
Likewise, all of the peanut farms in Georgia put together are not “big business.”
All you profit haters want your 401(k) and IRA to shrink, don’t you? I love profit. It makes Exxon look for cooler ways to drill for oil (if congress lets them actually do it), it makes Boeing build more efficient planes, it makes WaMu offer you cool banking benefits you can’t get at SunTrust. Why? Because they’re chasing your money (ie, the hope for profit.)
By Mark
May 24, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
SchoolTeacher
“They probably are more educated then you”
Looks like you need a course at night school yourself. No wonder GA ranks last in education!
By Georgette Bushog
May 24, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
There are some really really stupid people in here argueing against this bill. Almost makes me think that they would rather just keep the status quo. Because that is th only alternative that is realistic. And before you even say, yeah I know….”deport em all”. Stupidos!
By RCH
May 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse Simple. Deny them work,education,social services,housing,etc. they will go back on their own.Then secure the borders.As they economy then dictates allow controlled immigration. What is wrong with that. If I spray painted your house you may call that illegal,but can I call it Urban art?
By Mark
May 24, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Since I have become jaded to the various solutions proposed by the
Republicans, Democrats, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc., I have elected to
solve the problems as they affect me. It solves both my gas and illegal immigrant problems.
I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car. They’re plentiful and
cheaper than buying gas.
Then I pay them in pesos so they have to go home to spend it.
I love it when a plan comes together.
By Apocalypse
May 24, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
RCH,
The painting analogy is dumb as hell, but I have one question for you: Whose going to work construction and do yard work while we’re doing that?
By RCH
May 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
Mark One flaw in your plan. Some American businesses now accept pesos along with U.S. currency.
By Apocalypse
May 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
Wow! You’re right Mark, you’re definetly not racist.
By anita
May 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
Mark, I am with you 1000%. Just the statement made by any of our ball-less politicians that current will NOW be enforced would send the yippers back whence they came! To Businessman, you have no clue.Supply & demand rules, the price of vegatables & fruit would be under those rules. BTW, seeing as we have illegals picking now, why are tomatoes $3.49 lb? seems to me “someone” is making a good profit. Prob about 10 cents of that price goes to “migrants”. EVEN if that did happen, I would gladly pay 3x price for stuff to be rid of the illegals. GLADLY.
By Al Qaeda prays for Dem V-Day
May 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
To all you lily livered Liberal Dems who think Resort Guantanamo is a horrible place -
This is what turture is. Even lefty extremist Moonbat Moore said the terrorists at Guantanamo get better healthcare than our own people with no health insurance. Heck the animals get better food than our soldiers.
Hillarity -
Skip Iowa as it was advised to you and save your round face. You are unelectable even with that man standing by your side. You are rowing a sinking boat, and you are doomed to a catastrophic loss a little more than 17 months from now.
Edwards -
Support those terrorists you foolish little boy.
By Mark
May 24, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Georgette Bushog
“stupid people in here argueing”
Who’s stupid??
By Dr. StrangeGore beat by 15 year old
May 24, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
Leave it to a 15yo girl to debunk Dr. StrangeGore’s Mein Kampf of environmentalism for a school project. http://home.earthlink.net/~ponderthemaunder/index.html Not everyone buys into the brainwashing and hysteria from Dr. Quack.
By Van
May 24, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
I just keep reminding myself that in 1,000 years none of this will matter.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse Thats exactley what this bill is, STUPID. Because we are not willing to do the right thing about this problem we just make it legal and that solves the problem. Maybe we should send 10 year old to Congress they can do that too. While the illegals leave, we step up efforts to increase the flow of “legal immigrants.” Maybe that will send a message that if you follow the law you will be rewarded and if not you will be deported.
By Georgette Bushog
May 24, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
Hey Moron Mark, I graduated from Georgia Tech. Spelling never was our thing. And you are still stupid. Me. I just can’t spell.
By GaNative
May 24, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
I’m sick and tired of all of em, the Mexicans and the Ragheads. It makes my skin crawl to hear the unemployment figures (that are not true because most of us have resorted to other means to make money). It seems like the number one priority for jobs in America are for Guest Workers and those here on a Work Visa. To the natural born American citizens, the government says FUGG YOU.
By Cheerleader Dusty
May 24, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
Two bits four bits six bits a dollar….all for Al Gore stand up and holler!! YEEAAAAAAAA!
It is going to be so sweeeeeeeeet when you right wing redneck racist nativist nincompoops have Al Gore as your 44th President of the United States. That is going to be PRICELESS!
By GaNative
May 24, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
I’m sick and tired of all of em, the Mexicans and the Ragheads. It makes my skin crawl to hear the unemployment figures (that are not true because most of us have resorted to other means to make money). It seems like the number one priority for jobs in America are for Guest Workers and those here on a Work Visa. To the natural born American citizens, the government says FUGG YOU.
By Apocalypse
May 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
RCH,
The only thing they are doing that is illegal is being here. In other words, illegal acts are not the problem, at least not exclusively to them. They are adding a very necessary and valuable service to our country that a lot of us refuse to do.
P.S. You still have not answered my question. What about the labor gap I mentioned?
By Gonzalo Díaz
May 24, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
It is curious how a country that acquired large tracts of territory based on illegal emigration, now complains when in the receiving end. Stranger even, because modern immigrants from Mexico have no political agenda and just ask for a chance to break their backs working.
By no answer
May 24, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
Everybody keeps talking about big business and cheap labor.But any business owner main objective is to make money not spend money thats why they hire Mexicans.Lets say you want some yard work done at your house and you go to “Johnny” and he says he will cut your grass and rake your leaves for $75.00,but you talk to “Julio” and he says he will do the same job for $30.00 who are you going to hire?Of course you are going to hire Julio!Thats why I would buy a Polo shirt for $30.00 at Ross instead of $80.00 polo shirt at Macy’s because it is cheaper and its good business.
By no answer
May 24, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this
Everybody keeps talking about big business and cheap labor.But any business owner main objective is to make money not spend money thats why they hire Mexicans.Lets say you want some yard work done at your house and you go to “Johnny” and he says he will cut your grass and rake your leaves for $75.00,but you talk to “Julio” and he says he will do the same job for $30.00 who are you going to hire?Of course you are going to hire Julio!Thats why I would buy a Polo shirt for $30.00 at Ross instead of $80.00 polo shirt at Macy’s because it is cheaper and its good business.
By getatranslator
May 24, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
getalife, don’t give up your day job
By getalife
May 24, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
getatranslator,
Consiguió un traductor del google ˇVa la cogida tú mismo!
By deegee
May 24, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
That the head of the DHS is speaking out in favor of the bill doesn’t tell you something?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-05-23-chertoff-immigration_N.htm
By Mark
May 24, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
“Georgette Bushog”
” I graduated from Georgia Tech”
Well, that explains alot!
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
Jmarsh, Shaw is a big business, it employs way more than a couple hundred people. RCH, I’m sort of coming to help you out here. First off let me say this, I may be nieve but I think most of the illegals are good decent people doing whatever it takes to make life better for their family. I myself am in the same boat, I don’t like living here in Atlanta, but there is no work where I lived that I can do and make what I make here that affords me to live a higher standard of life. On the other hand, how can we b*** about illegal immigration when just a 400 years ago, our ancestors stole this land? Rounded up the natives and shipped them to reservations? However our grandfathers and there fathers and so on built this country, the greatest in the world and its our responsibility to make it better and keep growing it.
Business man, you have the wrong plan brother, you charge me more for my tomatoes? my country a* can grow my own. You will not pass your cost on to me because I refuse to let you pad your pockets by hiring illegals. Where I agree with you is that some US citizens don’t want the jobs, they are lazy and we enable them by refusing to fix welfare, once we do that you can hire their lazy asses. The ideal of making these lawbreakers legal citizens is pure BS, and soul search and you will know its true, big, even small biz wants cheap labor so they can make more profit, and you are selling out what past generations fought and worked for.
By Mark
May 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
Cheerleader Dusty
LOL! Keep dreamin, baby!
By DebbieDoRight
May 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
Politically incorrect, but DANG funny!!!
I have elected to solve the problems as they affect me. It solves both my gas and illegal immigrant problems.
I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car. They’re plentiful and cheaper than buying gas. Then I pay them in pesos so they have to go home to spend it.
It’s so hard when you have a sense of humor, it gets in the way of all this “serious” stuff!!
By RCH
May 24, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Apocalypse. How about breaking the law that is there for a reason. Give you an example; Had a conversation with a Dr. from Rhodesia who works for the CDC. He was alarmed over the out breaks of diseases all around the country that we haven’t seen in 50 years. And when they finally tracked those individuals down who were spreading those diseases guess what: ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Hope you looked very closely at that hamburger you had at lunch. You will not hear about this in the mainstream media will you. When our forefathers came here, many were tested and quarantined on Ellis Island to protect the population.Isn’t that the responsibility of our govt.? All I am asking for is controlled immigration. For your P.S.,read my blog at 12:16. Makes to much sense to reward those who follow the law doesn’t it?
By blah, blah, blah
May 24, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Why don’t we just invade Mexico, take over the government and make it a state. End of problem.
By blah, blah, blah
May 24, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
Why don’t we just invade Mexico, take over the government and make it a state. End of problem.
By Alan Greenspan
May 24, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
no answer, these bubbas think that if that labor source is gone that they will all get paid 20.00 an hour for what now pays 8.00. LMAO! ROFL! What these less than intelligent species haven’t comprehended yet is that in a global economy the market doesn’t dictate the wage. Purely and simply, individual business owners and groups of owners set a COMPETITIVE wage that has to allow them to compete with global market forces. You can only raise wages so much and pass that cost along to the consumer plus make your margin, before the consumer will no longer buy your product and you have lost your ability to compete globally. So in reality, if every single immigrant were to disappear, wages are not going to rise. Workers will accept the prevailing wage or they won’t work. And the most ironic thing here is that these economically challenged antis will be the very ones screaming bloody murder when they can no longer afford a head of lettuce. As sure as the sun rises in the east prices will always stay way ahead of wages. It’s called margin for those of you antis that didn’t quite make it to Econ 101.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
What do you folks call cheap labor? How much can a hotel pay housekeepers and still remain profitable? Please open your eyes and read about what is happening outside of the blogosphere you live in.
“There are no easy solutions,” said Pete Meersman, head of the Colorado Restaurant Association, which represents an industry employing about 230,000. “We are asking Congress to put politics aside.” Meersman echoed others who said they don’t see enough people applying for jobs. The Broadmoor Hotel, for instance, received only six responses to ads for about 280 positions with starting pay of $8 to $10 an hour and the potential for tips. “We simply cannot find enough U.S. workers,” said Cindy Clark, human resources director of the luxury hotel in Colorado Springs.
By getalife
May 24, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
In case you have any doubt the dems are the gop:
“Democrats were forced to soften the bill so that he could get it passed by requiring a president to first declare an energy emergency before the anti-gouging law could be enforced.”
Legalized gas gouging.
Geez.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
By no Answer Lets look at the flip side of that. Maybe Johnny has a legal buisness. He has to pay business taxes,SS on his employees,maybe he even provides medical for them. And yes Julio can underbid that because he doesn’t. Well guess who has to pay for all those social services he and his family recieve. Who has to make up the portion of taxes he doesn’t pay. YOU DO. Not quite such a bargain now is it?
By getatranslator
May 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
Thanks to the god of blog for Google. It allows the cybergeniuses to quench their thirst by drinking from the wide but shallow well of knowledge.
By carter
May 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
Wow, the uninformed and unimportant are at it again, when will they realise the futility of their bovine excretement.
By antiRCH
May 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
RCH and we all know that when shopping for goods and services you always take all of that into consideration. LMAO! What a hypocrite!
By jbmlaw
May 24, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, all, I am ethically constrained to note Chairman Ann’s essay today in support of those who oppose free immigration. Not as funny as her usual, but still intelligent. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20855
By LMAO
May 24, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
Here are the 10 most-watched prime-time programs in the L.A. market last week, (The nations 2nd largest market) based on the average number of viewers.
1 American Idol (Wed.)
2 Dancing With the Stars Results
3 Dancing With the Stars (Mon.)
4 Destilando Amor (Mon.)
5 Destilando Amor (Wed.)
6 Destilando Amor (Tue.)
7 American Idol (Tue.)
8 Destilando Amor (Thu.)
9 La Fea Más Bella (Tue.)
10 La Bea Más Bella (Mon.)
Source: Nielsen Media Research
(Note: Destilando Amor (Mon.)had more viewers than American Idol (Wed.))
By Alan Greenspan
May 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
Thank you RCH for your sanctimonious bu%l sh%t, but all that aside, I think I’ll just keep getting the maximum amount of bang for my buck. Why just get the roof done by one guy when the other will roof it and paint it too for the same dollar? Guys like you shoot your own selves in the foot and then cry about it. And usually you don’t even get the cheese to go with your whine.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
The Honorable Saxby Chambliss Hart Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Chambliss:
As a native Georgian and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you. Mr primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which that is being debated and for which you are so excited. If my understanding of this bill’s provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $5000 fine and no income tax for all the years I have been here already. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out. Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so naturally I’m really excited about getting a refund on all my taxes for the last five years I have worked in the United States and just paying the $5000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we have paid heavy taxes for many years. Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save another several thousands dollars a year. Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my children and grandchildren would receive preferential treatment relative to their college entrance applications, as well as “in-state” tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States. Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver’s license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car. If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance.
Your Rarely Loyal Constituent,
Ugotta B. Kidding
cc: Sen. Johnny Isakson
By RCH
May 24, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
antiRCH Tell me another lie.
By Mark
May 24, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Hey carter
What’s “excretement”?
By Dorothy
May 24, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Toto (RCH) your’e not in Kansas anymore. Wake up and smell the coffee nimrod.
By Kinsman Redemmer
May 24, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
Please let us not forget the H1B visa program which is being abused by Indian companies. This too must be integrated into the the new immigration reform. The government just cant sit back and watch countless jobs raped from qualified americans.. (Shame on the US Corperations for participating in the destruction of the middle class)
By Curious Observer
May 24, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
So we are to continue to tolerate and even legitimize the presence of illegal workers because they will bring us lower prices?
They will also bring us a lower standard of living, as wages become suppressed and as legal workers find themselves forced to accept lower wages or else see immigrants take their jobs.
They will exascerbate an already intolerable level of demand on social services as not only the illegals-cum-legals seek these services, but also as working class legals find their ability to pay for their own needs constrained by virtue of being forced to accept even lower purchasing power than they have now.
And all so that Businessman can make a buck and the rest of us can have consumer goods at artificially low prices.
Well, the price of those goods won’t seem so cheap once the lower economic classes retaliate and install a federal government more friendly to their own interests. The people cheated by this bill will far outnumber the likes of Businessman at the polls, and they won’t be distracted by red herrings such as abortion and homosexual marriage. In fact, the profits that Businessman makes will seem puny compared to the taxes that Businessman will have to pay then.
Go ahead and take your short-term view of the issue. Make the false assumption that if only you are given access to the cheapest possible labor, you will continue to benefit. In the long term, you and the country itself will be the loser.
By Senators Office
May 24, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B Kidding, it looks as though God has blessed you with a wonderful life.
May God continue to grace you with his blessings.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Well, you know what I love most about blogging? Is how it instantly turns into a mud slinging fest. You don’t agree with me, so you are a redneck, Right wing fanatic, or thug. The thing I despise though is how the word “Liberal” became something bad, I love a liberal portion of bananna pudding, since my bananna pudding is liberal does that make it bad? This is why I cooked up the ghetto persona to debate RCH, got him riled up calling me reverse racist and all. I even threw in the name Sharpton and really got him going one time. LOL
Anyway, I don’t agree with this bill, and my congressman does not care, my neighbor does not agree, I don’t know anyone on my street that does. I believe in immigration, legal immigration. Since we can’t deport them all what can we do? All I hear up in here is yes and hell no to this bill, but does anyone have any other plan? besides the guy who said kill’em all, his plan sucks.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Dorothy Your right.This isn’t Kansas anymore.
By catlady
May 24, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Right now, distrust of our government is very high (no duh. I can’t guess why!) So the government needs to do something that can be seen and measured to restore faith. That first step, independent of others, is to seal ALL the borders. Start with the southern.
Also, what would it take (a Constitutional amendment?) to undo the automatic citizenship rule, so that only children of women here legally can be automatically citizens?
Teachers and parents know that if you reward bad behavior, you will discourage those who do the right thing, and further embolden those who do the wrong thing.
We need to focus on what is best for our country and those who are citizens of it before we worry about what is best for others.
Show us that we are not just being duped again. Seal the borders. Get on it with the gusto that America is able to show. Then, afterward, let’s discuss how to handle those who are here.
No one believes that the proposal will work, even those who agree with it.
By Bradley
May 24, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
“Right now, distrust of our government is very high (no duh. I can’t guess why!)”
You said it catlady. That’s why the Democrats in Congress share W’s low approval ratings!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18612770/
By RCH
May 24, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
dawggonetruthWe can all agree on one thing, a form of this bill will pass. What we can’t agree on is what impact it will have and who will pay for it.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
“seal the borders” is like saying “stop greenhouse gases” or “stop global warming”. It’s a nice soundbite and it resonates well but there is no practical way to do it. That is unless you want to build walls on the northern and southern border, build seawalls on the Atlantic, Pacific and the Gulf Coast and then cover the country with a dome.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
Deegee See my blog at 12:28. Walls will not stop anything. That is cutting off the tail of the snake. Denying them the reason they come here(economic) will cut off the head of the snake. NO jobs, housing, education, social services, etc. They will leave.
By GotchaRW
May 24, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
By dawggonetruth
May 24, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Well, you know what I love most about blogging? Is how it instantly turns into a mud slinging fest. You don’t agree with me, so you are a redneck, Right wing fanatic, or thug. The thing I despise though is how the word “Liberal” became something bad, I love a liberal portion of bananna pudding, since my bananna pudding is liberal does that make it bad? This is why I cooked up the ghetto persona to debate RCH, got him riled up calling me reverse racist and all. I even threw in the name Sharpton and really got him going one time. LOL
Great tactic! Your psychological attack on RW actually exposed his own rapid racism that he constantly denies.
By Jay
May 24, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
“Meersman echoed others who said they don’t see enough people applying for jobs. The Broadmoor Hotel, for instance, received only six responses to ads for about 280 positions with starting pay of $8 to $10 an hour and the potential for tips. ‘We simply cannot find enough U.S. workers,’ said Cindy Clark, human resources director of the luxury hotel in Colorado Springs.”
This is a sign you aren’t paying a high enough wage, dumbass, not a sign that there aren’t enough U.S. workers.
Yes, illegal immigrants will work for $8 an hour, because they’re used to a low standard of living and will eventually convert most of their earnings to Mexican currency. Americans, however, have grown accustom to not sharing a one-bedroom apartment with twelve other people and require a higher paying job to maintain a comfortable lifestyle.
If illegal immigrants are granted amnesty and decide to permanently reside in the U.S., don’t expect them to settle for the same sh**ty wages; it’s much harder to exploit a legal citizen.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
RCH: Answer to your 2:16pm remarks is, unfortunately OUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN will pay for it.
And you are so right at 2:27pm…Cut off the jobs and this situation will take care of itself. They cannot stay here without a job. But good luck in getting your illustrious Senators to vote for that.
By Alan Greenspan
May 24, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
By RCH
May 24, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
Deegee See my blog at 12:28. Walls will not stop anything. That is cutting off the tail of the snake. Denying them the reason they come here(economic) will cut off the head of the snake. NO jobs, housing, education, social services, etc. They will leave.
You are absolutely delusional RCH. All that does is insure that they deal only in cash. As long as a group of people provides a service for a very good price, they will work. Be it legally or illegally. And guess who the enablers GLADLY become then RCH? You have to be one of the biggest boneheads ever.
By Al Capone
May 24, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
RCH you got my vote. Prohibition worked out really well for me. LMAO!! What an idiot you are RCH.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
RCH, that is exactly what Colorado did last year with their House Bill 1017. This is why Colorado farmers among other businessmen and women are screaming foul. These folks are straight up American citizens that are caught in the middle of a political whizzing contest and they aren’t happy about it. They have a right to hire the best worker for the job and they want them to be here legally. They are not ICE and they don’t want to be responsible for policing immigration. Why shouldn’t these small and medium sized businessmen and women have the right to hire and pay the best person for the job and not have to resort to allowing prisoners on their property to work the jobs they can’t fill?
By Chaz
May 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
GUEST WORKERS? NO WAY JOSE!
By Alan Greenspan
May 24, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
By Alan Greenspan
May 24, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
no answer, these bubbas think that if that labor source is gone that they will all get paid 20.00 an hour for what now pays 8.00. LMAO! ROFL! What these less than intelligent species haven’t comprehended yet is that in a global economy the market doesn’t dictate the wage. Purely and simply, individual business owners and groups of owners set a COMPETITIVE wage that has to allow them to compete with global market forces. You can only raise wages so much and pass that cost along to the consumer plus make your margin, before the consumer will no longer buy your product and you have lost your ability to compete globally. So in reality, if every single immigrant were to disappear, wages are not going to rise. Workers will accept the prevailing wage or they won’t work. And the most ironic thing here is that these economically challenged antis will be the very ones screaming bloody murder when they can no longer afford a head of lettuce. As sure as the sun rises in the east prices will always stay way ahead of wages. It’s called margin for those of you antis that didn’t quite make it to Econ 101.
The more seriously IQ deficient like RCH have to be reminded constantly.
By Jerry
May 24, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this
If these two Georgia senators think that support is growing in this state for this immigration bill then they believe there is no drought, that gas is still around $1.40 per gallon, that the loyal Republican base will once again forgive and forget and that hell just froze over. Saxby has turned into the exact thing that he accused Max Cleland of being - a Party lap dog. Why would anyone in their right mind contine to support someone who pushes this piece of garbage at the expense of the American people. Irrespective of the facts that our laws were violated and that our government has refused to enforce them, with this proposal they cannot even tell you what it is going to cost to implement. The real benefactor seems to be the Mexican government. I’m sorry, but I have been screwed enough by our current leaders. It’s time for a change and I intend to vote for one in 2008.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
Alan Greenspan May businesses cannot pay in cash. And if you make the penalties so severe with dealing with illegals it will stop. Also as you are seeing many towns and cities are making it illegal to rent to illegals. I guess that is bonehead too. Many of these ideas together have a good chance of reducing illegal aliens. Al Capone During prohibition the cost of liquor went sky high. If the cost of dealing with an illegal is to great you will go the legal route. I don’t see that much moonshine anymore.
By Al
May 24, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
By deegee
May 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
RCH, that is exactly what Colorado did last year with their House Bill 1017. This is why Colorado farmers among other businessmen and women are screaming foul. These folks are straight up American citizens that are caught in the middle of a political whizzing contest and they aren’t happy about it. They have a right to hire the best worker for the job and they want them to be here legally. They are not ICE and they don’t want to be responsible for policing immigration. Why shouldn’t these small and medium sized businessmen and women have the right to hire and pay the best person for the job and not have to resort to allowing prisoners on their property to work the jobs they can’t fill?
Because deegee. None of this is really why the RCHs of the world are so rabid that they have spent 24/7 here on this blog ever since this bill was announced.. They are all smoke and mirrors. It is all about nativism with that crowd.
By no answer
May 24, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
The reason that Mexicans come to America is the same reason you transplants from NY,Chicago,Philly,DC,California,etc move to Atlanta.it is because there are a lot of jobs,the cost of living is better,the quality of life is better,and its a better place to raise your children.
By no answer
May 24, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
The reason that Mexicans come to America is the same reason you transplants from NY,Chicago,Philly,DC,California,etc move to Atlanta.it is because there are a lot of jobs,the cost of living is better,the quality of life is better,and its a better place to raise your children.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
RCH, I’m not picking on you dude, but you sound like Rush Lardbaugh up in here. Do you feel wierd now that you know I’m an afluent white guy, living in an upper middle class neighborhood in Marietta?
We cannot stop this bill, we cannot stop anything, we went from having a government for the people by the people to having a government for the people by the doctors and lawyers and special interests. Would you vote for a teacher? a IT guy? a electrician? why not? One reason is that it cost so much to qualify to run. Two is that we want someone with experience? but that one really gets me, we all have experience at living.
Honestly we can’t deport them, we can’t secure our borders with a fence, neither will work. What will work is fining the companies that hire illegals and enforcing it. Let them hire low wage legals, plenty here don’t say there is not.
Just wondering anyone here besides me push a lawn mower up and down the street and cut lawns in the summer? FREE MV7!!!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
In my “Econ 101” class we learned that if you don’t have a market—you can’t sell your products. If these businesses and corporations don’t want to hire American workers. American workers: DON’T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!!! I don’t care how cheap it is, or is it? These companies are getting all this cheap labor in Mexico, China, and other countries (including the good ole US OF A) and their prices remain just as high as they always were. So don’t give me this global crap. If they want to cheap foreign labor, let them sell their damn products only in those markets.
By GaNative
May 24, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
AMEN to your comments Kinsman Redemmer, you speak the truth. The Indians are doing to the IT Industry the exact same thing the Mexicans did to the Construction Industry. They’re killing it. The govt sold us out. They told us to buy American products, then they cut a deal and got the products made overseas. They finally realized they could save shipping costs by giving them a work visa and bringing them over here. It’s pathetic.
By Alan Greenspan
May 24, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
In my “Econ 101” class we learned that if you don’t have a market—you can’t sell your products. If these businesses and corporations don’t want to hire American workers. American workers: DON’T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!!! I don’t care how cheap it is, or is it? These companies are getting all this cheap labor in Mexico, China, and other countries (including the good ole US OF A) and their prices remain just as high as they always were. So don’t give me this global crap. If they want to cheap foreign labor, let them sell their damn products only in those markets.
LMAO! ROFL!! Yeah right you nitwit. I bet Toyota is just trembling in their boots over that one. Walmart too. Either you are just plain stupid, or you are another one of those angry sense of entitlement white boys we hear so much about. And by the way Ugotta B. Or in your case it’s more like Willie B. GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL GLOBAL!!!!! LMAO!
By RCH
May 24, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Strannge that most firms require proof of ability to work in the U.S. and they recieve them( S.S.,card ,Drivers License).Are they really interested in paying the best person to do the job or the cheapest. Are these straight up American citizens increasing Their profit margin at your and mine expense! Not one of you are willing to examine the cost to society that this bill will in cure. Your children and my grandchildren will pay for this. Explain it to them.
By ZooKeeper
May 24, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Alan Don’t insult Willie B. like that! He knows exactly where his bananas come from at the best price and exactly who picks them. That fool Ugotta B. can’t find his own dumba%s with both hands.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
“Alan Greenspan”…WHAT A DUMBASS!!! It’s not really worth spending my time “debating” with a total moron like you. You’ve apparently bought the “global” crap hook, line, and sinker. It’s people like you that enable these crooks. But I’ll give you a fair chance, I’ll leave now so you can have the last word…DUMBASS!!!
By Robert Rubin
May 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B, price will ALWAYS drive the market. Just to prove it to yourself Ugotta B. stupid…uh I mean kidding. Flex your muscle. Show your power. Picket Walmart and see how many people you can turn away. I ma willing to wager that Walmart is still open at days end.
By RCH
May 24, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
dawggonetruth Actually, Alpharetta on the Greenway. You and I are saying the same thing. I just go a little further. If an illegal slips by the employeer screen, get them in housing, education etc.
By GodHatesTrash
May 24, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
The US Senators from Georgia are pureblood trash. Sam Nunn is the only half-respectable human being to ever be a US Senator from Georgia. Everyone else was/is 100% garbage. Chambliss and Isakson are two of the worst.
But trash will generally always elect trash, so it’s all good.
By JohnD
May 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this
Wages will not rise as long as there are people willing to work for less. See the comments on Colorado, if you doubt this. The employers there talk about 8-10/hr as though less than $20,000 per year is wonderful.
The US does not have the resources to have an open borders policy, a fact even JBMLAW should recognize. We are unable to support the poor of the world (there are over 4 Billion of them).
Go to Puerto Villarta on the west coast of Mexico. A tourist city so the trip should be fun. After you watch a significant portion of the population bathe, drink and use the river as a toilet ask yourself how you would like to have that in the US? That is the future when the jobs and resources are exhausted.
My argument has nothing to do with whom or what races the people are - the crush of immigration will destroy the US.
Read the post of Allianza @9:40 and watch the tapes of the demonstrations in California for an idea of the plans of La Raza. They have no intention of becoming Americans they intend to make Americans their slaves.
By charles clary
May 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
we still do not need 12 million law breakers as citizens no matter what sell-out chambliss says! i can live with out vidalia onions!!
By BYEBYE
May 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
SEND THEM BACK !
By BYEBYE
May 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
SEND THEM BACK !
By Rob
May 24, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
By JohnD My argument has nothing to do with whom or what races the people are - the crush of immigration will destroy the US.
Read the post of Allianza @9:40 and watch the tapes of the demonstrations in California for an idea of the plans of La Raza. They have no intention of becoming Americans they intend to make Americans their slaves.
PUHLEEEEZE!!!! All the poster at 9:40 was doing that stating that LEGAL, AMERICAN CITIZENS would do what every other group with an interest does in this country. Influence their representatives and flex their muscle at the ballot box. Not a damn thing was said about “raza”. I guess you think that the right to legally participate in the political process something that should be the exclusive domain of angry white men and the right wing of the republican party. You antis are really as Glenn Richardson, said of Sonny Perdue, showing your unwiped a*$s over this issue.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
You are screaming bloody murder over the price of a gallon of gas and yet you all think that disrupting the labor market and driving up the price of unskilled and semi-skilled labor is going to be just fine. You really think that if you can draw the meth heads and crack addicts out of their drug induced stupor and pay them $20.00 an hour to change bedsheets and pick onions that you are going to see your taxes go down? Demographics in this country have changed as the US Commerce Secretary is quoted as saying below. There just aren’t enough people to do the work at any price you pay.
“The U.S. needs more foreign workers as baby boomers retire, the Commerce secretary said. His department’s figures show the population aged 25-54 growing at 0.2% a year while the workforce is growing at 1.2% a year.”
By Thomas Jefferson
May 24, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
So John D. tell us what you find wrong with a group of people exercising their power by using the vote and our political system. That is a very un-American point of view JohnD. Maybe YOU should be deported.
By getalife
May 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
My goodmess, the left is mad about the dems caving and the right is mad about immigration.
We are one angry nation but we will have to accept what this one party and the king hands us.
In other words, the American people have been sold out. “Let them eat cake”.
There is no stopping w now. He has been emboldened by the spineless dems and can do whatever he wants. Iran, look out. Gas prices, look out. American workers, look out.
Amazing times.
God save America!
By RCH
May 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Degee Nobody will argue that point.Can we however bring these people in legally with criminal and health checks? I ask you this when those who are legalized demand better wages, health care,must pay taxes etc.;what stops that employer fro firing them and hiring more illegals at a better price. Will the cycle start all over again. What will you now do with that legalized citizen. And god help us if we in cure a recession like we had under Jimmy Carter.Lets no be hasty and plan a little more.
By D
May 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
the truth is out, now bush comes out today and says support this amnesty or you are playing politics, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. can we all stop playing republican now, can we all stop be duped everytime someone waves the flag in your face, or kisses a baby or manages to get photographed at church and start trying to vote for America only, not some slimy snake oil salesman that sells you a false bill of goods? they even managed to fool their base into voting for the largest ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS we have, the ones that support illegal immigrants, the whole time I tried to tell people the republicans are in bed with big business and are driving this unnecessary and uncontrolled immigration all the people who ran to the cult could do is call this independent centrist a wimpy liberal, is that all you got? I can take it. stop voting for the con men and start voting only for America! Jesus is prepared and ready to met the false christian george bush on judgement day and it ain’t gonna be pretty boy!
By Bradley
May 24, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
“What these less than intelligent species haven’t comprehended yet is that in a global economy the market doesn’t dictate the wage. Purely and simply, individual business owners and groups of owners set a COMPETITIVE wage that has to allow them to compete with global market forces. You can only raise wages so much and pass that cost along to the consumer plus make your margin, before the consumer will no longer buy your product and you have lost your ability to compete globally.” VERY well said! What we are dealing with here is a bunch of protectionist policies by the Left who used to jump for joy over the thought of integration and a global economy. Isn’t it amazing how so many on the Left don’t think things through? They do nothing but have knee jerk reactions and use an ad hoc approach to an idea that sounds great on paper to them. Then they want everyone else to follow along with their bright ideas.
Regarding setting competitive wages, Daimler put Chrysler for sale up because they were bleeding from the UAW pensions and payroll. The new Hyundai plant south of Montgomery, AL will be there a long time, as will BMW in SC, Toyota in KY, Honda in AL, Mercedes in AL, and Nissan in MS. None of those plants or companies are bound to the bully tactics of the UAW, yet those worker bees are well compensated. Isn’t it funny by the way how all those plants are in the South? Maybe obscenely high taxes by Michigan and New England socialist Democrats scared them away from those regions as well. Maybe that’s why all those residents are escaping to the South as well.
By Frasier
May 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
George Bush is not a Christian George Bush is not a Patriot George Bush is not tough however we all know he’s dumb we all know he calls himself The Decider, which if you think about it, can be easily translated to The Dictator
By no answer
May 24, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
While you people are sitting in your air-conditioned office surfing the internet,blogging all day,coming to work 5-10 min late bec of traffic,taking 4 or 5 coffe breaks,taking 4 or 5 smoke breaks,taking 2hr lunches,calling in sick bec you need a “mental health” day,gossiping all day with coworkers,making personal calls all day at work,leaving work 5 or 10min early so you can beat the traffic on 400.These Mexicans are out here working in the hot sun for 12hrs,taking one lunch break at Wendy’s.all for $8.00hr. Don’t get made at them because they know how save their money,feed their families and pay their bills off of $8.00 hr.Don’t get mad because you would rather spend your money on your SUV’s,$4.00 waters,and paying $300,000 for a 1 bedroom condo at Atlantic Station while making $40,000 a year!
By no answer
May 24, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
While you people are sitting in your air-conditioned office surfing the internet,blogging all day,coming to work 5-10 min late bec of traffic,taking 4 or 5 coffe breaks,taking 4 or 5 smoke breaks,taking 2hr lunches,calling in sick bec you need a “mental health” day,gossiping all day with coworkers,making personal calls all day at work,leaving work 5 or 10min early so you can beat the traffic on 400.These Mexicans are out here working in the hot sun for 12hrs,taking one lunch break at Wendy’s.all for $8.00hr. Don’t get made at them because they know how save their money,feed their families and pay their bills off of $8.00 hr.Don’t get mad because you would rather spend your money on your SUV’s,$4.00 waters,and paying $300,000 for a 1 bedroom condo at Atlantic Station while making $40,000 a year!
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
How about this? Yes you can be legal but you have to serve two years in the US Army! and the head of house can pay his fine from his earnings and It would be a great financial start and after making $40,000 in base salary and combat pay maybe he won’t settle for $20,000 a year. Let them pay a price to be here, a price legal citizens volunteer to pay! make that part of the bill and I will endorse my elected representative.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
RCH, what you are missing is that it is important to an employer to have a stable, well-trained workforce. It is not in their best interest to have high turnover. Have you ever gotten a raise? If so, did you ask yourself why your employer wouldn’t simply let you go and pay someone else your old wage? Many employers are pleased with the work ethic of the immigrant work force because they are dependable, and they are interested in pleasing their employer by doing a good job. That they are relatively inexpensive, in some cases is a plus. Employers will pay the prevailing wage for labor just as we pay the prevailing price for goods and services.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
Robert Rubin: In response to your 3:12pm remarks… “UgottaB, price will always drive the market. Just to prove it to yourself, Ugotta B. stupid…uh I mean kidding. Flex your muscle. Show your muscle. Picket Walmart and see how many people you can turn away. I ma willing to wager that Walmart is still open at days end.”
I’ve got a BETTER idea Robert Runin. Why don’t you stand in front of Walmart with a sign telling American workers how you’re in favor of Illegal Immigrants taking their jobs, “because it’s the right thing to do for the GLOBAL economy”. I ma willing to wager that YOUR EYES won’t be open at days end!!! They might be must a little bit puffy and swelled shut. Give it a try and report back to me, globalist boy.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
NO ANSWER, I don’t think anyone on here except maybe a couple narrow minded bigots, blame anyone for wanting to do right by there family. I really admire the mexican culture and they do work hard for the most part. I admire how family oriented they are to an extent. I for one want to go on the record as saying that I don’t blame anyone for wanting better, I do wish that they would come over in a legal manner.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
RCH, as a part of adjusting status the petitioner has to produce a certificate of clean health and a police report that shows either the absence or presence of a criminal past both in the US and in their country of origin. This is nothing new.
By Jmarsh
May 24, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
dawggonetruth, Shaw hires Contractors. Those hire subs. The subs hire subs, and all they can do is common sense checks on work documents. I challenge you to find anyone who draws a paycheck stamped with SHAW on it that is illegal. Their HQ was only three miles from my old casa (Roswell is getting to me, see!)
Noanswer, the Wendy’s in Slidell Louisiana was paying over $10 with bennies to start. The McDonalds and the Sonic in Baton Rouge are having a labor bidding war going up. You know who benefits? Legal minorities, by and large. Nothing wrong with starting in fast food or at Walmart, I did.
There’s a basic premise, noanswer, is that even with minimal skills, you still have a choice. You go to a different grocery which gives you a .15 raise three months earlier, you work at a Pizza Hut that offers tuition assistance after a year, etc. You don’t sit and wallow in your self pity about how much your circumstance sucks.
Oh, and the way you guys throw around “Bushie,” “Bubba” and “redneck” reminds me of the way white people used the word “colored” and “negro.” It’s meant purely to elicit instant disdain about inherent mental weakness and moral defect. What an intellectually lazy cop-out. I realize we’re all typing quickly on a blog, but if you can’t take another 15 seconds to compose your comments, you probably should read more and talk less.
Back to your regularly scheduled bubba/Bushie/redneck/OTP bashing.
By Robert Rubin
May 24, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B. Kidding, I can see that your skull is thicker than armor plate and you are a protectionist that doesn’t like competition that forces you to raise the bar. You have the entitlement mentality that just because you are American you are owed something beyond what has been set by this competitive environment that we live in now. So Ugotta B it ain’t 1955 anymore. If you haven’t figured that out yet you are beyond help. Shed your antiquated neanderthal attitude that is obviously causing you feel so sorry for yourself. You are the type that is going to blame something or somebody else rfor your own failures and inadequecies. So Ugotta B dumb, since no one is going to pay you what you THINK that you are worth, maybe you should show some initiative like some of these immigrants have done and start your own business. You make the payroll every week and manage to pay yourself what you THINK you are worth too. My guess is at the end of the day thinking as you do that it will be YOU that goes home with puffy eyes from crying big gigantic crocadile tears because you will have found that all of the BS you are excreting here is just that. Unrealistic BS. Start your own business and then come back talking all that living in the past excrement. Join the real world Ugotta B
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
JMARSH, where are you from? I never actually worked at shaw, I wanted to break out of the cycle and not continue the family tradition of working at a carpet mill. I am from Dalton, born and raised. Shaw does hire its on employees or at least they did when Bob Shaw was there. I left Dalton in ‘96 and only visit on holidays now and the more I go the more latin it seems. Why? Mohawk, Shaw, and all the others want the hispanic labor. The hispanic labor is great but you have to admit the real reason that they are hired is that they are cheaper. Maybe what you are saying is that they hire them thru temp agencies, which is true a lot of the time. But if you are from Dalton, congrats on getting out, not many of us do.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
My last post, been fun. But here goes one good reason to shut up and let this go. Latin women are absolutely sexy as can be til they are about 25 yrs old, and they don’t mind wearing skimpy clothes, at least us dirty old men get that out of it!! LOL Can’t wait til August so I can have fun with those of you on here that think Matthew Stafford is the second coming of Buck Belue!
By Jmarsh
May 24, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
Ooops, thought you were talking about Shaw construction in Baton Rouge :)
By deegee
May 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
dawggonetruth, do you understand that they CAN’T come here legally and work? The H2B program is designed for temporary and seasonal, non-agricultural semi-skilled and unskilled workers. Very few employers can qualify under that criteria.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
Robert Rubin: What gives American businessmen and politicians the right to let our borders be overrun with ILLEGAL ALIENS for cheap labor? Whatever happened to despising big corporations like you liberals used to do? What happened? I understand that the Democratic Party wants to make all these people legal so they can expand their base. I also understand that you liberals want to change the direction of this country and the only way to do that is to import more “Democrats” so that you maintain a majority. And what amazes me is that the Republicans, thru their greed, are stupid enough to kill their own party. Apparently Robert you don’t have children or grandchildren or you would be a lot more concerned about the futures of the people of this country. You wouldn’t be as willing to turn it over to big business as your are now. I don’t give a damn about cheap labor for these multinational corporations or for American businesses. I only care for the people and here in the South I’ve seen too many people lose their jobs and means of supporting their families because of “the global economy”. These American corporations have outsmarted themselves and many of them are now getting their asses kicked. They’re screwing their employees for profit…GREED! BTW, I’ve been in management for years and owned my own business for several more years. If it comes to the point I have to do what these folks are doing, to my employees…it’s time for me to quit and go home…
By deegee
May 24, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
JMarsh, I am sure you understand that the labor market in Baton Rouge and Southern Louisiana is an aberration due to Katrina. The Pre-K economy was nothing like the Post_K economy, neither was the traffic.
By John
May 24, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
I have tempered my dislike for the immigration bill based on some new information I’ve heard. However, if this is supposed to be a bill the government wants the citizens to support, then someone needs to let the citizens in on what it actually contains and not what they want it to contain.
That said, I don’t understand the logic of those who are in support of open borders. If the U.S. were to throw open its borders and let anyone from any country just move here and set up shop what would that do to our economy? Who will pay for these immigrants? The ones who will be quick to move here would be the least educated and likely day laborers. Who will pay for them? If we open our borders we will be adding all these people to the welfare roles in terms of food stamps and hospitalization etc. It is really scary to think that some people actually propose opening our borders to whomever wants to come here without any limits.
Further, with open borders who WOULDN’T want to live here? We have the highest standard of living in the entire world. We have freedoms people in many countries if not continents have only dreamed about.
Almost the entire island of Haiti, almost all of Mexico and millions of South Americans, Africans, etc. would flock here to partake of our open borders and immediate citizenship.
It’s nonsense to speak such drivel….
By LoveMyMexWife
May 24, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
dawggonetruth, I’ve been married to one for 23 years. A real beauty. She is now over 50 years old and doesn’t look a day over 35. Great business woman too. I get accused constantly of robbing the cradle. And I’m lovin it.
By getalife
May 24, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
This just in, w has been hit
Bwa.
By Norman
May 24, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B Kidding, you are one bitter angry white boy. Must be one of life’s losers.
By Michael Chertoff
May 24, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
By John
May 24, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
I have tempered my dislike for the immigration bill based on some new information I’ve heard. However, if this is supposed to be a bill the government wants the citizens to support, then someone needs to let the citizens in on what it actually contains and not what they want it to contain.
I bet you don’t even care what’s in 10,000 pages of the Patriot Act, do you John. All of this hoopla over immigration is so irrational that it has to be all about race. Factor in angry losers like Ugotta B Kidding that can’t get it through their dense heads that the GLOBAL economy is here and like the immigrants isn’t going anywhere, than all you have is one undignified brawl that is bringing out the worst in guys like Willie B Kidding.
By dawg_gone_truth
May 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
LoveMyMexWife, I know I said the last post was my last, but don’t you just love those seductive brown eyes? LOL I call them Mexy babes, but it does not have to be mexican, have you seen that race car driver Milka whatever her name is? damn fine woman!!
DeeGee, I don’t have to understand the law to abibe by it, my ancestors came legally and worked hard. I know its a hard life in a third world country, I just left Iraq, trust me I have seen poor and down and out. I want to help, but there has to be procedures and they must be followed by the ones helping and the ones getting help, I know you can understand that, you seem very intellingent and sincere in wanting to help this bill pass, but is it the best we can do? No, don’t just take it because its there, lets make them really work it out, that is what us legal citizens pay them for, congress that is.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
May 24, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
Norman: Nope, I’m one of life’s realists. I don’t buy what you boys are selling. I can’t understand why you folks are so much more concerned about the people from other countries than you are our own American people. Too me that almost makes you a traitor Norman. I am white and I do get angry Norman. Do you have a problem with white men Norman? You’ll understand better when you grow up and have children and grandchildren Norman. Until then, buzz off little boy!!!
By H1BsForever
May 24, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
What is amazing about this whole issue is that there is little or no mention of the proliferation of H1B visas and the fact that more and more of them are granted every year. These are the guys that are taking jobs that Americans DO want to do. Something just doesn’t add up here. The jobs that will support middle class families are hijacked with H1Bs and not one peep has been heard out of you antis. What’s up?
By LoveMyMexWife
May 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
By dawggonetruth
May 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
LoveMyMexWife, I know I said the last post was my last, but don’t you just love those seductive brown eyes? LOL I call them Mexy babes, but it does not have to be mexican, have you seen that race car driver Milka whatever her name is? damn fine woman!!
You should see the scenery when her Amigas group meets at our house! Talk about heaven on earth.
By kitty
May 24, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
All I want to know is, when does hunting season start and whats the bag limit? on illegals of course
By Norman
May 24, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
Obviously you are not a realist ugotta B dumber than a box of rocks. And by the way. You also sound like punkas% loser. I will buzz off after you kiss my realistic as% punk. You wouldn’t make a good pimple on an immigrants hard working butt you redneck piece of trash.
By Don Davis
May 24, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
Still opposed.
By Don
May 24, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B Kidding makes the best case for PASSING this bill. If racist redneck scum like him is against it, it needs to pass. We need to export trash like him to Darfur.
By kitty
May 24, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
we have pseudo elitists here, feel sorry for em, cant even think for themselves. I am not a redneck, but I sure as hell would rather hang out with a redneck then you plastic freaks.The goonsd need to take a clas in civics and possibly law. Maybe then they will figure out why we have laws and that they are not optional unless you ACCEPT the consequences. Asswipes.
By jbmlaw
May 24, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Dear JohnD @ 3:23, I think you err. The US has all the resources it needs to support a population 10x our present size. Further, I am comfortable that our migrant guests pull their own weight, and add to the GNP.
By deegee
May 24, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
H1Bs Forever, there is a reason you don’t hear too much about the proliferation of H1B Visas. That is because then you would have to start talking about why American high school grads need remedial work when they enter college and why more American college grads choose liberal arts courses over science and math courses. Nobody wants to go there.
By Emily
May 24, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
I second that emotion Don. The Ugottas of the world don’t rep their points of view well at all. They just come across as some backward klansman that just doesn’t like anything that they feeble minds can’t comprehend. But I wouldn’t wish garbage like him on Darfur. Rwand is more of a fit for that chimp. At the risk of sounding uncharitable, can’t you just imagine scum like that wrapped in tires doused with diesel fuel and lit up real good?
By Markus
May 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
“These are the guys that are taking jobs that Americans DO want to do.”
That’s a bunch of C-R-A-P. Go down to the Gulf Coast region and see how many reconstruction projects are behind schedule because THEY DON’T HAVE ENOUGH WORKERS.
I’ve said it here before, and I’ll say it again: lazy@ssed Americans b!tch about minimum wage yet thumb their noses at construction jobs and vote demoncat. We are talking about painters, drywall hangers, electricians, HVAC installers, roofers, and others. This is sweaty work, but for anyone to make the comment that Americans want those jobs is a JOKE.
Right NOW the Gulf Coast is the epitome of what Americans do NOT want to do. Oh yeah, and we are not talking about $8/hr jobs either. We’re talking upwards of $20/hr. If I were only making minimum wage or starving I’d have my @ss down there and live in a tent if I had to, because apparently a shortage of housing ITSELF is causing a problem with workers wanting to live there and work.
I get SO sick of hearing “they are taking jobs Americans want to do.” BULLSHEET. Americans won’t freaking scrub toilets unless paid an absurd amount. “Want” and “need” are mutually exclusive.
(Heeeeeere liberal S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ID poofer. I know you’re oooouut theeeerrre puppet).
By TW
May 24, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the ‘support’!
By Marge
May 24, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
This is pure spin. As people learn more about this bill, they are more and more outraged. I believe that our Senators support of this legislation has irreparably harmed them as respectable leaders. The lack of fiscal accountability and social impact caused by this bill minimizes their prior performance. Legalization of millions of unknown aliens including criminals, those with diseases, those not working and those who are having anchor babies depicts them has having serious ethical flaw. I really admire someone like Senator Sessions who appears to have done a thoughful analysis before a careless endorsement such as that displayed by our Senators.
By DavidD
May 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Damn now here comes Markus. Is this a klan rally in here today. More trash for the compost heep.
By kitty
May 24, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
and dont forget the added bonus of making all the gang members and baby rapists [think Hall County] that will be made legal—-how lovely!
By Markus
May 24, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
Georgia’s WWII dead by county. It’s just to put some war facts on the KIA into perspective for you moron liberals who b!tch because Bush is in charge of a war. This is just Army and Air Corps dead, not the Marines. Click by county.
By kitty litter
May 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
The turds are coming! The turds are coming!
By Brad
May 24, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
Marge I guess you prefer the status quo then, huh?
By Markus
May 24, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
“Damn now here comes Markus.”
Will you jackasses on the left make up your minds about things? You poofers b!tch about me not being here during the weekdays, then you b!tch when on the rare occasion I am here on the weekdays. It’s like I said over the weekend: you diseased liberals will never, E-V-E-R be happy. It’s in your pathetic gene pool.
By JohnD
May 24, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
Rob,
First, what an appropriate screen name you have for someone who supports the theft of the American way of life and culture.
Read the post @ 9:40 - he says they will ALL be legal now and then form PACS, etc. Do you comprehend that after 12-20 million illegals have the right to vote? Illegals have not earned and should never have the right to vote.
Thomas Jefferson,
You just do not understand the US is unable to support the massive immigration the politicians have planned. We have neither the money nor the natural resources to support millions more people, especially when the overwhelming majority of them are low or unskilled.
Rob and TJ want to take the least of my post and make the most out of that part. You both are unable to refute the accuracy of the post so you resort, as many illegals and Liberals, to personal attacks.
By Brad
May 24, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
By kitty litter
May 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
The turds are coming! The turds are coming!
Au contraire! They’ve been here awhile. They’re call white trash.
By JC
May 24, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
Dear Congressman/Senators:
I’m writing to let you know that I do not& support increasing the number of H1B visas issued to technology specialists (e.g. software engineers), as proposed by Microsoft and others. I understand the argument that some jobs would be outsourced without enough H1B’s, but I’ve read that our H1B program is actually *perpetuating this problem, rather than addressing it.
It appears that many companies are sponsoring H1B visas for persons who come to this country to train, and then go back to their home country to provide services to American companies at lower salaries than competing Americans can live on. In other words, the H1B visa is being used, by the thousands, to take jobs away from Americans.
Again, I urge you to vote against any attempts to increase the number of H1B visas provided each year.
Thanks for listening.
Sincerely,
JC
By JohnD
May 24, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
I believe the err is yours.
We barely feed and employ our current population, so how do propose to feed and employ 3 Billion people?
The Left continuously cites the polls and the desire of 70% of the people to end the war in Iraq and the 60+% of the people who think Bush is awful, yet the polls indicate 80+% of Americans want the borders secure and illegal immigration stopped. A similar number wishes to have those deported who are already here.
jbmlaw, please go to the video I posted at the end of the day yesterday and tell me what you think of those statistics.
By Markus
May 24, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
“Au contraire! They’ve been here awhile. They’re call white trash.”
The disease of liberalism: call those who don’t agree with them “racists” and “klanners,” then fire out of their filthy sewers things like “white trash.”
Good stuff. You tinhats on the diseased loon liberal neStalinist left need to run on platforms JUST LIKE THAT.
By GodHatesTrash
May 25, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this
Reality check, Markus. True, you are trash, from a long line of trash.
Since you’re Italian, your claim on whiteness is dubious, though.
By kitty
May 25, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this
Americans against the immigration bill could flex some muscle at the next election. But I want to know what to do during the interim. We can’t allow this to happen. And… what happened to the fence along the border?
By kitty
May 25, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this
Americans against the immigration bill could flex some muscle at the next election. But I want to know what to do during the interim. We can’t allow this to happen. And… what happened to the fence along the border?
By JHT
May 25, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
No, I have not changed my mind as I do not trust President George Bush any longer.
From what I understand, President Bush must report to congress every 90 days concerning the progress on the border beign closed. Since Presidnt Bush has refused to close the borders for over 6 years, why would he be honest with congress concerning progress on the border being closed now?
Since Bush is for the North American Trade Agreement, which combines the Countries of Mexico, Canada and the US into one body similar to the European Union, why would he want to close the borders now?
President Bush is a globalist and is a danger to the soverningty of this country.
If Chambliss and Isakson cannot see this threat from our President, they are either blind or in agreement with Bush’s globalistic ambitions.
By RCH
May 25, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
No matter what you call this bill, it is still Amnesty!
By AM
May 25, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
Deegee you should move to Mexico. You would have alot more time to do something more constructive than spout the same lies over and over.
By Thomas Bowen Sr.
May 25, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
Dear Sir; I do not believe support is growing and it will not if our senators tell the truth about the program. I herd Senator Chambliss on the radio this morning and was even more concerned.
The American people are not misinformed on the current program:
We know there is a “temporary” acceptance of all illegal’s as soon as the bill is passed. We know that does not renew because it does not expire. There is NO trigger required to get this amnesty.
We know that these new people are low paid and will continue to be a draw on our medical, educational, and social services resources.
We know that in the long run it will stress our Medicare and social security resources, probably beyond repair.
We know that if the government does not enforce the existing laws, it certainly will not enforce this far more complex program.
I say this nonsense must stop. Close the borders & enforce the laws. Then consider what comes next.
By mtownes
May 25, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
Forget how this white man treat african americans did u really think they were on the side of african americans. All i do is sale my drugs to there kids and dont pay my child support or my financial aid back or my back taxes untill the illegals have too. Im over 150 thousand in debt to these white people.(lol). But i can still get some fool to put something in there name we all can play this game. Black people go back to having kids our kids will automaticaly be citizens. And rape this country of the welfare so this country will go broke and cant fight the terrorist anymore!
By anita
May 25, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
I see no one bothered to address the issue I brought up of higher produce prices IF the “immigrants” dont pick the, Well “businessman” they are high now…..how would explain that? and if for some unknown reason the prices go higher when the illegals leave, no one will buy them—who cares! Pricing adjusts itself due to demand, if there is none, oh well…..
By Dougie
May 25, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Ever had trouble contacting your Senator? Well rejoice because now thanks to a Hispanic Pro Illegal Immigration / Pro Amnesty group you now have a direct line. Of course they want you to call and voice your support of the ammnesty bill but I used it and was put right through to Sen Chambliss’s office and let’s just say I ain’t in favor of this bill. Here is the info: If you are having trouble getting through the Capitol switchboard to express your opinion about the Bush-Kennedy shamnesty, there’s a special hotline number you might like to try.
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number) 1-800-417-7666. (English number)
If using the Spanish language one they ask you to say in English that you support the bill. After listening to the message push 1 and then either 1 or 2 and Voila you are now talking to your senators office
By anita
May 25, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
I phone their local Atlanta office, I get thru almost immediately. Chambliss: 770-763-9090 Isakson: 770-661-0999 I phone them everyday to let them know we KNOW they are traitors and should be charged with treason. I am against the bill of course. We must let them know, WE WILL VOTE THEM OUT. Unless there is a provision to remove them from office, in GA State law. …kinda like a “recall”. DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS OR START HUNTING SEASON, DONT CARE WHICH.
By Paul A.
May 25, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
catlady got it 100% right yesterday.
This discussion is a waste of time. Until the US government secures her sovereign borders things will never get any better for anyone.
THE US MUST SECURE HER BORDERS AND PORTS!
This has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
It is our nation’s stated, moral obligation to “provide for the common defense, promote the general welform and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”
Americans should be looking out for other americans…PERIOD!
All legal citizens and guests of this country are entitled to justice, freedom and the persuit of happiness. Emphasis on LEGAL RESIDENTS!!!!
If someone violated our laws to get here and has chosen to live in an underground society that is their problem. END OF DISCUSSION!!!
No driver’s licenses for illegals, if they are arrested they should be deported within 72 hours. Too bad if their family gets separated. That’s the risk they chose to assume when they broke our laws.
Again … 1st - SECURE OUR BORDERS AND PORTS. Once that’s complete and enforced I am more than happy to discuss a guest-worker program or even amnesty for the millions who are already here.
PS, Here’s another thought … If we can’t or don’t have the will to secure our borders with our neighbors why not enact identical laws and standards employed by our neighbors? Illegal americans in mexico go to mexican jails. Americans who emigrate to mexico are not allowed to vote or seek elected office. Their property rights are restricted and often times overlooked altogether.
If our “guests” were treated this way I think most would simply stay home.
Of course this is my opinion and we all know everybody has one. LOL.
By Tim
May 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
I want to avoid paying my taxes for 10 years and only get a $5000 fine. PLEASE give me that kind of amnesty. If the illegals get that surely a legal tax paying American should!
By catlady
May 25, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
As I read the article in today’s AJC Opinion page by our two Senators, I have become even more concerned. Seems like it contains even more inacuracies and obfustications, and (perhaps) outright lies!
In the second paragraph, they assert that illegals “work tax free”. That, folks is a lie.
In the fourth paragraph, they say “Illegal immigrants must return home and get at the back of the line to begin the lengthy process of applying for citizenship.” As I understand it, the HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD must return home, but can then come back as they apply for citizenship. They don’t have to stay out of the country during the “lengthy process”.
In the fifth paragraph, I question the “biometrically secure identification system.” We have so many illegal immigrants who go by multiple names, just multiple IDs, and the current system, used by big employers like the chicken processing plant, is SUPPOSED to kick out those who are not using correct SS numbers. In fact it does not: our local plant employs almost exclusively illegal immigrants who have beat the foolproof system. I’d like to see real details of how this would work before I put ANY eggs in this basket, given past assurances.
In the 6th paragraph, it states that temporary workers would be barred from welfare, etc. However, in real life, benefits are not barred from the children of illegal immigrants born in the US, as they are legal citizens allowed all the benefits of citizens.
In the next to last paragraph, our Senators agoa state that it would “FORCE (emphasis mine) illegal immigrants to go home”. I doubt anything like this will force them to do anything. In addition, as noted above, only heads of households have to leave the US. They also state “It would end chain migration.” That, also, is untrue since it would legitimate those nonhead of households who do not pay a fine, leave the country, etc. That is part of the chain of migration.
In short, our Senators have written a bag of garbage, which they hope the citizens will not examine close enough to get a whiff of the smell. I encourage citizens to let them know that we are more intelligent than they are giving us credit for, and that we see through the web they are trying to spin over this proposal.
By chris
May 25, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
I support this bill.. Good job guys. Fix the problem..
By catlady
May 25, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
I work with many children of illegal aliens who live in families of 7 or 8 kids (Guatemalan families, mostly). How do they get by with a paltry $5000 fine?
SEAL THE BORDERS. AND IT ISN’T SEALED JUST BECAUSE THE PRES OR HIS MINIONS “SAY” IT IS SEALED. (see the declaration of victory in Iraq for more details on this). Before ANYTHING ELSE is done or even proposed.
Then, get rid of the birthright citizenship unless the mother is in the country legally and can prove it. If he biometrics can be proven to work, bring them on. Fine and jail employers who employ illegal aliens.
Then, give a short amount of time for folks to pay the fine (on a per person in the family basis), and leave. Begin rounding up those who do not choose to self-identify and meet the deadline, and send them back.
Those who leave can show good intent by getting in line, showing that they have kept their noses clean while here illegally, showing that they and their families are clear of disease, showing that they learned English while they were here illegally, and that they were an active part of the community in ways such as having their children in school, meeting with the teachers, etc. Another plus would be showing they have a marketable skill and have not looked to the taxpayers to pay their way (for example, they paid for their children’s births, rather than Medicaid paying for them). No points awarded for family members in the US.
IWe might even have a separate line for these folks, rather than putting them at the rear of all who want to apply.
End ALL bringing in of family members. The person immigrating here CHOSE to do so, leaving family members behind. If they chose to come, they also make a choice to leave whoever cannot meet the above criteria. Or they can stay in their home country.
For parents with American children, the same rules apply. No preferences. If they have to stay in their home country, they can take their American citizen children with them until such time as the children can live on their own.
And we use EVERY means available to be sure that those remaining in the US have applied and paid the fine. Otherwise, from the hospitals to the road blocks to the schools, they are gathered up and deported.
Sounds Draconian, huh? But then, the immigrants who are here and are doing the right thing can hold their heads up and know they don’t have to hide anymore.
By Jen
May 26, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
On May 25, Sen. Vitter (R-La.)- as he did a year ago before the Senate passed the S. 2611 amnesty — offered an amendment that would have stripped out all provisions to reward nearly all the 12-20 million illegal aliens with permanent legal status.
Our GA Senators voted AGAINST Vitter’s amendment, which is perplexing because they voted FOR the same amendment on last year’s amnesty bill!
Please call Senator Chambliis and Isakson and ask them why, after supporting Sen. Vitter’s amendment last year, they voted against it this year - thus paving the way for amnesty.
Is President Bush holding our borders for ransom? Will he not secure our borders unless amnesty is given to 20+illegals and all of their family members in Mexico? Do they really think that these illegals are going to replace the baby boomers and save our Social Security?
They are selling out American citizens and this is a huge slap in our faces!
By Jen
May 26, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
On May 25, Sen. Vitter (R-La.)- as he did a year ago before the Senate passed the S. 2611 amnesty — offered an amendment that would have stripped out all provisions to reward nearly all the 12-20 million illegal aliens with permanent legal status.
Our GA Senators voted AGAINST Vitter’s amendment, which is perplexing because they voted FOR the same amendment on last year’s amnesty bill!
Please call Senator Chambliis and Isakson and ask them why, after supporting Sen. Vitter’s amendment last year, they voted against it this year - thus paving the way for amnesty.
Is President Bush holding our borders for ransom? Will he not secure our borders unless amnesty is given to 20+illegals and all of their family members in Mexico? Do they really think that these illegals are going to replace the baby boomers and save our Social Security?
They are selling out American citizens and this is a huge slap in our faces!
By Jen
May 26, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this
On May 25, Sen. Vitter (R-La.)- as he did a year ago before the Senate passed the S. 2611 amnesty — offered an amendment that would have stripped out all provisions to reward nearly all the 12-20 million illegal aliens with permanent legal status.
Our GA Senators voted AGAINST Vitter’s amendment, which is perplexing because they voted FOR the same amendment on last year’s amnesty bill!
Please call Senator Chambliis and Isakson and ask them why, after supporting Sen. Vitter’s amendment last year, they voted against it this year - thus paving the way for amnesty.
Is President Bush holding our borders for ransom? Will he not secure our borders unless amnesty is given to 20+illegals and all of their family members in Mexico? Do they really think that these illegals are going to replace the baby boomers and save our Social Security?
They are selling out American citizens and this is a huge slap in our faces!
By james
May 26, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
This bill is so bad that an amendment was introduced (Cornyn #1184) to restrict the ability of aliens who have engaged in criminal behavior (such as gang-related offenses, failure to register as a sex offender, and alien smuggling while using a firearm) from receiving benefits under our immigration laws.
This bill is crap and does not have American’s best intrest. Shame on our Senators!
By paul
May 26, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
2 weeks ago when I called Chambliss’ office, I was told that in this bill local enforcement can check people of their legal status when pulled over or while mowing lawns, etc. He lied. It is not in the bill and an amendment was voted against regarding allowing our local enforcement to take action against illegals! What is this bill about? PURE AMNESTY! Chambliss and Isakson aren’t working for us!
By sioux bee
May 26, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
The proposed bill deals with persons who knowingly violated the law. It seems to me only fair that if we make allowances for one class of violators of the law, wy not make allowances for all violators of the law? The savings in tax dollars would be astronomical. Of course, the corollary would be an increase in violent crimes, thefts, etc.
By steve
May 26, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
FOR THOSE WHO JUST WANT OPEN BORDERS THEN SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR FREEDOM…
THIS BILL IS NOTHING BUT ‘AMNESTY’..IT REWARDS THOSE WHO HAVE BROKEN OUR LAWS AND THEN DEMAND THAT WE MAKE THEM CITIZENS, ie. GIVE THEM MORE WELFARE. IF THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD HAS TO GO HOME THEN TAKE THE REST OF THE FAMILY AND DON’T MAKE ME TAKE CARE OF THEM… SECURE THE BORDERS AND THEN WE’LL TALK.
By steve
May 26, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
FOR THOSE WHO JUST WANT OPEN BORDERS THEN SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR FREEDOM…
THIS BILL IS NOTHING BUT ‘AMNESTY’..IT REWARDS THOSE WHO HAVE BROKEN OUR LAWS AND THEN DEMAND THAT WE MAKE THEM CITIZENS, ie. GIVE THEM MORE WELFARE. IF THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD HAS TO GO HOME THEN TAKE THE REST OF THE FAMILY AND DON’T MAKE ME TAKE CARE OF THEM… SECURE THE BORDERS AND THEN WE’LL TALK.
By Marie
May 26, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
I believe our Senators have greatly damaged their reputation and stature by aligning even tepid support for this bill that gives legal status to 12, 20, 30 or more million unknown aliens. They are now spinning so bad on this including reserving judgment on their final vote, implying that the current version of the bill is acceptable. What a differnce in our perception and delivery between our senators and someone like Senator Sessions of Alabama, who is going through the bill and actually reading it and highlighting the tremendous fiscal and social impact. Shame on our Senators for wanting to support such a bill. We want the borders secured and not cloud this national security issue with other “bribes” or “triggers”. They have further damaged the Republican party by aligning themselves with President Bush — the most unpopular President in modern times. President Bush now looks like a crazed and extremely stubborn man who claims it is impossible to have secure borders without a guest worker or amnesty plan. That is why he should be impeached. We all know that our borders can be secured with manpower in a matter of days if there was some leadership up there in Washington. We are so disappointed in the actions of our senators who see this as a best chance to improve a bad bill, despite the fact that our society will be destroyed. For all of their years thus far in Washington, they have not shown leadership on this issue. They need to be out of office if they continue to spin on this bill and insult the citizens of Georgia by telling us that we are just not educated enough about this bill. Johnny and Sonny are also a tag team on this issue… and both of them will go down if they proceed with their insults.
By al
May 26, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
the fix should be simple—patrol the border—punish those coming across illegally—-deport all illegals from the u.s. until they go thru proper procedures to enter the u.s.—set reasonable limits on how many can immigrate yearly. start with a clean slate and keep it clean. also punish and/or fine big businesses (banks/credit card companies/industry/farms) that rely on illegals for cheap labor and commerce in order to obtain their profits. until all these industries can obtain their profits legally they should pay the price for getting caught just as other criminals do.
By FED UP
May 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
So get this, WE have to pay for our long distance to call our Senators in DC, but the Illegals have a 1-800 number in Spanish only (English is not an option) and the system is designed to id the caller’s phone# so it goes directly to their state senator’s office. They don’t even need to know who the senators in their state that they are invading! THey are filling up voice mails and keeping the lines busy from US citizens that are calling in.
The toll free number: 1-800-882-2005.
These free calls are being paid for by a pro illegal alien, pro amnesty, pro S. 1348 groupnamed “Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” which is financially backed by big corporations.
We sent this number to you for several reasons.
Yes, the messages are in Spanish and you can tell that the number is designed to exclude those that do not speak Spanish.
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By ageofpaper
May 27, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
Move all jobs to china, great idea, bring in cheap labor, great idea, global economy great idea, walmarts sales down, target sales down, they realize we are headed for trouble, short sited ceo ideas, taught at our great schools. if they are such great workers why are their countrys to screwed up?? ceos miss the good ole days, 12 hour work day, 6 day work week, next to nothiing pay, hey its 1861 again. wake up, they were all making $$$ before this global crap
By ageofpaper
May 27, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
move jobs to china, great idea, bring in cheap labor, great idea, low prices, high profits for few! ceo’s love it 12 hour work day, 6 day work week, low wages, no benefits, hey its 1861 again, good ole days. Global my butt, they were making plenty $$$ before global goo, business schools teach this crap. expensive resort wants to pay 8 an hour, what do the guest pay a day??
By popeye1250
May 27, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
They have to “SELL IT”, no-one wants it! And, ignoring the wishes of 80% of your constituents is not “Leadership” it’s corruption. If our govt is so confident in this “piece of $%&* bill” then let the people vote on it! They won’t do that though because they know what the results would be! And there’s another serious problem with this bill. Kennedy had “La Raza” and other groups with him in “behind closed door meetings” and he gave them “Veto Power” over anything that went into the bill!!! Can you imagine if The Minutemen had “Veto Power” in closed door meetings? There’d be 100 lawsuits and injunctions against this bill! This brings up a whole bunch of legal questions such as conflict of interest. You know this is a bad bill when Bush, Kennedy, Graham et al are trying to “SELL” it so aggressivly!
By popeye1250
May 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
I would assume that Chambliss and Isakson do not plan on running for re-election if they vote “yes” on this bill. They’ll be targeted as “1348 Senators” and MICHAEL MOORE could run against them and win! Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are backing away from this bill as are Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter. McCain has been knocked out of the “top Tier” of candidates because of this one issue alone! THIS BILL IS A CAREER KILLER!
By GMAN
May 28, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Politicians should not ignore the deafening roar they hear coming from their constituents. Any law dealing with illegal immigration must start with securing the border. If we don’t seal our southern border you won’t be able to recognize this country in 25 years and the Democratic Party will be in power for many generations. Only after the border is sealed can we discuss the rest of the issue. Everyone knows we can’t deport millions of illegals, but we shouldn’t bend over backwards for them neither. After the border is sealed, we go after the employers, and cut off any form of government aid to any illegal. Saying all of that we still need a guest worker program, not a 100% increase in our welfare rolls. But it all starts with securing the border!!!