Thinking Right

By Think Wooten's back yard

May 17, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Why not east?

By Bob Clampett

May 17, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

The nertballs of the right and left (west and east?) will soon be here to ignore Jim’s topic, since he was nuts enough to write about a state issue.

What’s he thinking? It’s all Bush all the time around here.

By Jim Wooten

May 17, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Make the argument for putting it east, Think. Nobody else has.

By jbmlaw

May 17, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I reject the apparent (?) underlying thesis of Jim’s essay, although I contemplate the possibility that there is a hidden idea. My antenna rise at some old news “The city owns land in Dawson County that was purchased decades ago as a potential site.” I am certain there is some reason it is a great idea to have taxpayers contributing to an unelected quasi-public commercial monopoly to run the airports, but I cannot see it. “Airport/government monopoly law” is outside my expertise, but if I had any competence there I would explore expansion of the Lawrenceville airport, to try to lure Southwest Airlines (and others unwilling to pay the gate fees at Hartsfield,) to break the monopoly.

Long time bloggers here know my anti-infrastructure bias, but I believe offering a real choice of air service would make alter public demand for transportation infrastructure.

I respectfully think the Macon alternative would hold little value to prospective servers – they want to be closer to the potential markets, and any potential markets to the South are still too many years away to make a reasonable near-term return.

By RW (the original)

May 17, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

An immigration bill that falls short of totally eliminating Mexicans from this country is what will be unacceptable.

By deegee

May 17, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

“If rail advocates are serious about trying to turn a white elephant idea (commuter rail) into something workable, and if the state is serious about spreading economic development, a second airport should go to the middle part of the state, perhaps Macon or Warner Robins.”

Wooten thinks like a bureaucrat. We already have enough rapid transit going to places that nobody is interested in going. Economic development is north of Atlanta.

Another regional airport is necessary. On a Friday afternoon you can go all the way to Augusta and back while waiting for clearance to land and for a gate at the airport. On some flights I have spent more time circling Atlanta than en route. I won’t hold my breath. Although Delta is back on it’s feet again they aren’t going to be in the mood to allow a competing carrier to establish a hub in the exurban Atlanta area.

By Van

May 17, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Whether the proposed airport is east, west or north, it really does not matter. However, placing a second airport south of Atlanta just does not make sense.

Between Atlanta and Athens makes sense.

Out toward Alpharetta makes sense.

West out toward Six Flags and Douglasville makes sense.

But 2 airports south of Atlanta, no, that is not logical.

By AlleyCat

May 17, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

We understand jbmlaw… or is it jbmfraud. Everything but chasing those flashing red lights for Ken Nugent is outside your area of expertise. By the way do you get to have that catchy little phrase on your business cards? You know…”one call, that’s all”.

By Jeff

May 17, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten:

An idea (and I live about two miles away from this right now!!):

Expand Robins to include both the military base and a civilian airport. It already has MASSIVE runways (being from the area yourself, I’m sure you’ve see the size of some of the cargo planes that come through there!). Add about 3 more of them, put the civilian airport on the East side of the base (fyi for those that don’t know, the west side of the base is where all the buildings are, and further west on the edge of the base is a major 6 lane highway, on the west side of which is Warner Robins). The idea has been done in HA and several other locations globally (maybe even a few more in the states. most of the projects that I’m aware of though involve taking NON-active AFBs and turning them into civilian airports) and has been shown to work.

Another option would be making Middle GA Regional (on the same highway, btw, about 5 - 10 miles north of the base) and expanding it into an International. SOME road infrastructure would probably need to be added in that area though, but it is mostly farmland around the borders of MGAR….

By deegee

May 17, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

RW(the original), thank you for bringing your clarity of vision to a complex issue. You have said publicly what Tom Tancredo and his flock of Tancretins can only say privately. You are a brave and honest person.

By rarringt

May 17, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Good morning all,

Based on today’s topic, I imagine the blog will be rife with NIMBYism (not in my backyard) all day.

Folks in the north have long maintained the need for a second airport to keep the economic engine of atlanta running (a town many disparage but virtually all rely on. How many blogs are offered in the Statesboro Journal, Jim?)

All well and good. Problem is, nobody wants the noise, congestion and other issues attendant with a large airport as a neighbor. That’s why Cobb and Gwinnett nixed the idea in the past.

How unfair is it for the people who stand to benefit the most imposing what they consider a nuisance on the people who would carry the burden?

But then again, that appears to be a fundamental part of Thinking Right.

Thanks to the historic inequitable distributions of resources, the population, economic centers, and infrastructure necessary for another airport is well north of I-20. The airport should be where the need is, not around the corner from Hartsfield-Jackson.

In addition, I would agree that they should also look into expanding the resources at the current airport, and by expanding light rail/and or dedicated rapid bus services. For example, train service from Cherokee County tracking along 675 and 75, and expanded service down from Alpharetta might make sense. If we want ATL to be a world class city, we have to start looking towards 2050, and stop trying to turn it back to what it was circa 1950.

That time has passed, Jim. Really.

By Curious Observer

May 17, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

By Wooten’s logic, if I want to build a store to serve the population on Atlanta’s growing north side, I should locate it near Macon. Makes sense to me. NOT!

Wooten is indulging in yet another form of social engineering. He is focusing on the economic development of middle Georgia, while the customer base for a second airport already resides more than twenty miles away from the current airport. Wooten’s solution: Put the second airport 60 miles away! Who cares about the customers’ needs?

It’s pretty clear that Wooten is intellectually fit to occupy a cabinet position in the Bush administration. I can hear the praise now: “Nice job, Wootie!”

By Think Wooten's back yard

May 17, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

It’s the Statesboro Herald, by the way, rarringt.

By Dennis

May 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Robbins AFB makes sense and so does the old Turner AFB in Albany, Ga. After all, why should we think that everyone who flies into Atlanta lives in or has business in Atlanta?

The political/business folks in Atlanta are just afraid of a little competition.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By harold

May 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

FOOLS, you cannot put an airport on the east side or west side of the city. Think of the “sunshine slowdown” the traffic radio entertainers always speak of. Do you want pilot flying in to that sun each dawn and duck? Harold says NOES.

By Jim's Boss

May 17, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Dear Readers,

We should like to apologize for the dunderheadedness of today’s column. In fact, it is not Mr Wooten’s fault. We are experimenting with an automated word generation system that factors in the ideology, persoanl tics, and typical vocabulary of any given columnist and, with the suggestion of a topic, generates a column suitable for publication under that writer’s byline.

Or that is the hope. This program has worked very well with such established columnist brands as Tom Friedman, Maureen Dowd, and David Broder (few people realize that Dean Broder actually died 8 months ago, but his column continues).

Alas, today’s experiment demonstrates that not all the bugs have been worked out. So tomorrow, the column will again be the product of a seasoned scribe penning his own thoughts for your perusal. Yes, our Bangalore Bureau will again be in charge of Thinking Right.

Our apologies for any inconvenience.

The Mgmt.

By Think Wooten's back yard

May 17, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Well, Jim asked me for the east argument and I sent it, but it didn’t get posted, so here we go again.

East makes sense because,while there has been growth that way, it hasn’t been the choking kind seen north. And there is still plenty of land out east. And in addition to serving Atlanta, it might also benefit Athens and Augusta (though their airport managers might disagree).

By Jeff

May 17, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Y’all, I live off Russell Parkway in Warner Robins (about 2 miles from Robins AFB, roughly 10 miles from Mid GA Regional). My parents (indeed, my entire family other than soon-to-be inlaws) live in North GA (Cherokee/ Bartow/ Forsyth/ Floyd counties to be exact). The drive to Macon from ATL won’t be unbearable, IF you can get lower airfares. (Re: Lower gate prices for the carriers, lower ticket prices for the consumer.) I know TONS of people that would come to Macon to get a better deal. MY only concern is that it would possibly put other Regional airports - Valdosta and Albany in particular - out of business.

By Dan

May 17, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

By deegee

May 17, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

RW(the original), thank you for bringing your clarity of vision to a complex issue. You have said publicly what Tom Tancredo and his flock of Tancretins can only say privately. You are a brave and honest person.

Actually he is a klansman just looking for someone to lynch. Unfortunately for you wingnuts, the Latino community is about to be a much more formidable voting constituancy than the racist right. The right wings obvious racist bent is going to cost you dearly for generations to come.

By Dusty

May 17, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

I think there are some very good ideas here this morning.

Jim Wooten looks to the future development of southern Georgia. Seems logical to help a part of the state that needs it, not the north that is growing too fast for its own good.

Then Jeff’s ideas about Warner Robbins has a hint of economy. An airbase already situated with long runways. (Does anybody remember the cost of building one new runway in Atlanta?) This is probably closer to the middle of the state than Atanta.

Considering the east, that would make the airport closer to Augusta, Ft. Gordon and South Carolina. Worth considering.

Anyway, I flew into London and then had a long trainride to “town”. It wasn’t difficult and there was no lack of use by airlines or passengers.

By James

May 17, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Think flat people…FLAT. Flat-good…Hills-Bad

By GeorgeS

May 17, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

You right wing no beer on Sundays tee shirt taliban types are history. You are done. Finished.

By Redneck Convert

May 17, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m all for putting the new airport in Macon. Airports attrack Those People as workers. If you put the airport up here in north Forysth county where I live then Those People will be flocking up here. Its bad enough I got a family of Those People living in my trailer park. I would hate to have to move if more of them show up.

I hope all the commies and libruls have to sleep all day to get over their big drug party yesterday. I never seen so many of them show up on this blog before. They was wild. Maybe we can keep the topic on the new airport. Instead of on My President and the war.

By dusty does it again

May 17, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Dusty, please study a map of Georgia before opining. Warner Robbins is not “probably” closer to the middle of the state than Atlanta, it is almost exactly in the middle of the state.

By getalife

May 17, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

A large and growing number of Americans are asking out loud: “What has happened to our country?” People are trying to figure out what has gone wrong in our democracy, and how we can fix it. — By Al Gore.

By harold

May 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Why not just build a new airport on top of I-75 at Windy Hill? It couldn’t be any more expensive than the billion dollar dirt for the 5th runway at HartsfieldMLKJacksonObamaLoretta

Or use that high speed maglev thing that guy out in powder springs build and put the new airport in chattanooga where there already is another airport, or birmingham, or Athens and the maglev rail line could have duel purposes

By BendOverCons

May 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

The minority population in this country has topped 100 million. That’s alot of votes that the shrinking right wing of the republican party is chasing to the left. No wonder Rudy felt so comfortable giving all you right wing scrum the middle finger. You have no relevance anymore and your power wanes with each passing day. Get used to it wing nuts. The big brown weinie is coming right at your racist kazoos.

By Um, Harold

May 17, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Hal, we got planes taking off and landing east and west at Hartsfield now. But if you’re worried about it, they could build north-south runways no matter where the airport is built. Duh.

By harold

May 17, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

a new airport must not be further south than hartsfield because nobody would use it unless they split up international and domesteric between the two airports and connected them with a high speed maglev train

then again if they build a high speed maglev train to the airports, people are gonna question the sanity of “same coast” air travel when trains can go 250mph easy

By LMAO

May 17, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

I went to the Georgia Republican website to see what the official stance of the Republican party is concerning a second airport for the region. Here are a few highlights.

A proposal to have all the jets fly into Jackson International Airport. The jets would then get on the freeway and drive you to a satellite terminal in a different city. We could put satellite terminals in Athens, Chattanoga and Macon. Our wonderful road builders can then build dedicated toll roads used by jets only.

Proposal #2: Why not Atlanta for the second Airport site? We could dig huge tunnels right under downtown Atlanta and create a very nice and convenient airport! We could then connect the underground airport to our underground freeway system!

Proposal #3: Institute the FairTax.

By frcibly deport all illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Immediately and FORCIBLY deporting all illegal Mexican types and their leeching “anchor babies” is the ONLY way to go. There will be enough ‘legal’ Mexican restaurants left for those needing a stale chalupa and greasy refried beans with the world’s cheapest tasteless cheese smothering them.

Nice to see Danturd’s and heebeedeegee’s deranged hissy fits so early - that sure was a classic mister dogsqueeze - got any more gems like that??!!

Any second airport should be on the North side - in the “middle”, somewhere say between Acworth/Woodstock - to help avoid any ‘extra’ muggings/carjackings and general migration of crime from the more thuggish/criminal ever changing for the worse Marietta/Smyrna and the rest of the crime blighted Southside of the metro area. Obviously a major new DIRECT road and rail link would have to be built to service the airport. It would clearly take years and years to do this and be prohibitively expensive. So maybe we should just forget about it!!

However I still think that a fast non stop Atl-Chatt rail link - kind of like the London-Gatwick ‘express’ railway line would be best, as Chatt airport is allowed to naturally and speedily expand. This new railway line should also have a decent all day, well into the evening timetable of what the Spanish call ‘semi-fast’ trains that stop at places like Dalton, Calhoun, Cartersville, Kennesaw, Marietta (ONLY if the new/illegal resident crime stops growing), Atlantic Station (for IKEA) and Downtown.

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Immediately and FORCIBLY deporting all illegal Mexican types and their leeching “anchor babies” is the ONLY way to go. There will be enough ‘legal’ Mexican restaurants left for those needing a stale chalupa and greasy refried beans with the world’s cheapest tasteless cheese smothering them.

Nice to see Danturd’s and heebeedeegee’s deranged hissy fits so early - that sure was a classic mister dogsqueeze - got any more gems like that??!!

Any second airport should be on the North side - in the “middle”, somewhere say between Acworth/Woodstock - to help avoid any ‘extra’ muggings/carjackings and general migration of crime from the more thuggish/criminal ever changing for the worse Marietta/Smyrna and the rest of the crime blighted Southside of the metro area. Obviously a major new DIRECT road and rail link would have to be built to service the airport. It would clearly take years and years to do this and be prohibitively expensive. So maybe we should just forget about it!!

However I still think that a fast non stop Atl-Chatt rail link - kind of like the London-Gatwick ‘express’ railway line would be best, as Chatt airport is allowed to naturally and speedily expand. This new railway line should also have a decent all day, well into the evening timetable of what the Spanish call ‘semi-fast’ trains that stop at places like Dalton, Calhoun, Cartersville, Kennesaw, Marietta (ONLY if the new/illegal resident crime stops growing), Atlantic Station (for IKEA) and Downtown.

By Go to 8th grade

May 17, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

All this time I had no idea Dusty was a transplant who knows as much about, oh, let’s say Delaware, as about Georgia. Now I really can’t stand her. Go to your local middle school and sign up for Georgia history. There’s some geography in it, too. Hell, maybe she doesn’t even live in Georgia. Maybe she’s in San Diego.

By No Mas

May 17, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

By frcibly deport all illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Immediately and FORCIBLY deporting all illegal Mexican types and their leeching “anchor babies” is the ONLY way to go. There will be enough ‘legal’ Mexican restaurants left for those needing a stale chalupa and greasy refried beans with the world’s cheapest tasteless cheese smothering them.

This is exactly what drives mainstream Americans away from the Republican party and exactly why the right wing has to go. If not the party is living on borrowed time. Rudy was on to something when he came out pro-choice. He knows what is happening and who the party has to have to survive. And it ain’t the right wing crowd.

By Citizen Caine

May 17, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Jim, I think your blog should be given a public service award. This blog is doing a monumental service in shining the light of truth on the racism of the republican right that was heretofore carefully hidden. Thank you Jim for exposing the trash on the republican right.

By DebbieDoRight

May 17, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Here’s a little bit of personal information on Truth. His relatives are so proud of him.

Last week drivers on the motorway in Ferrol, Spain were surprised to see a disabled man travelling along the road in his motorised bed. The 42 year old Antonio Navarro, who is 95% disabled, and who drives and controls his motorised bed with his mouth, had got drunk and was intending to visit ‘Jade’ a local w*******

By harold

May 17, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Why not ban air travel for anything accessible via land within 1000 miles? That’d be a 4 hour maglev train trip.

You could maglev ATL to NYC in three hours. Flying is 2.5 hours. So, why bother flying?

Airplanes should go over the water or over the continettal divide

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA HA

These sad leftist scum who pander to free loading, increasingly criminal and/or violent illegals care NOTHING about US immigration law!!

Go F Yourself you nasty treasonous TW AT!!

FORCIBLY deporting illegals is EXACTLY what the corrupt “racist” Mexican govt does to its illegals. That’s one of the all too rare shining examples of forward thinking that Mexico offers the world!!

Indeed all illegals in the backward crime ridden sh!tehole that is Mexico are treated far worse by the “racist” authorities than the kid glove treatment they get here!!

Tell us scumbucket - why the hell should the US govt NOT treat illegal Mexicans exactly the way they treat their illegals??

By Camus

May 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

TFTT writes: Tell us scumbucket - why the hell should the US govt NOT treat illegal Mexicans exactly the way they treat their illegals??

Maybe because we are better than that as a nation?

By crackpipe your pimp is calling ...

May 17, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

the obese fat black cow crackpipe has a criminal past - her and her equally obese, crack smoking whoralicious blubbery cellulite ridden sistas are still on the run in OH …

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0809063fat1.html

I suppose crackpipe is still deeply bitter because of THIS UNASSAILABLE TRUTH:

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TSCK2APTHUPU9M04B/p12

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

so the leftist scum on here preidcktably UTTERLY IGNORE the racist hypocrisy of Mexicans and the eway they treat illegals!! They ignore the huge, ever increasing thuggish criminality and freeloading of Mexican type illegals *and they have NO fooking answer at ALL for the simple fact that:

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!!!

By rarringt

May 17, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Forcibly/Abort/Andy/SCUM/TFTT/Whatever,

I see you’re back to your old pleasant self this morning.

oh, goody. >:^/

By Dusty

May 17, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

All you exporters of the truth and nothing but the liberal truth,

If I suggest Warner Robbins is probably in the middle of Georgia, I did not get out my ruler and measure. Just passed on what I thought was true.

Do you ever have any doubt about what you post? Probably not. It has already been edited by the DNC.

I want Georgia to make progress with its airports and its economy. You want to sit here and sqawk about conservatives.

Well, have at it, brothers and sister. I don’t really care. In the meantime, I think Warner Robbins is PROBABLY close to the middle of Georgia. So there. Happpy?

By Laura

May 17, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

For the next airport, use the land purchased in Paulding County. With all of the subdivisions that are popping up there, they will need an airport for jobs to avoid a nightmare commute to the ATL. There is NO real employer there and the new residents are setting themselves up for a 1 1/2 hour commute one-way on a GOOD day.

By melo

May 17, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Expand Robins to include both the military base and a civilian airport. It already has MASSIVE runways (being from the area yourself(meaning Jim) So this is about regionalism and not an objective look of where development should go!! Or Pork. Thought Jim hates pork. And then thisIncentives, including the proposed senior tax break, should be limited to counties that are either stagnant or losing population

If u limit an incentive, u are in reality disciminating and instituting a tax increase on a segment of the population. Thought Neocons like Jim dont like to raise taxes.

We are all wrong to think that way.

But then, i dont mind development in the south. Its fair for GA and that will give the rednecks in the south a chance to mix with the civilized world. This hate on immigrants who after all do the work in the farms down south, would go away.

By no answer

May 17, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

I wish that everybody who has moved to Atlanta in the last 20 years would move back to their city!

By no answer

May 17, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

I wish that everybody who has moved to Atlanta in the last 20 years would move back to their city!

By Amy

May 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

By Go to 8th grade

May 17, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

All this time I had no idea Dusty was a transplant who knows as much about, oh, let’s say Delaware, as about Georgia. Now I really can’t stand her. Go to your local middle school and sign up for Georgia history. There’s some geography in it, too. Hell, maybe she doesn’t even live in Georgia. Maybe she’s in San Diego.

8th grade, Dusty is one of those women that doesn’t have a thought that her husband didn’t have first. A real non-thinker.

By hazer

May 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Somewhere between Winder and Monroe, in either Barrow or Walton Counties, would make the most sense. Go ahead and upgrade 316 and 78 to limited access interstate status. Plenty of road, plenty of flat land, lower population density, easy access to Atlanta and Athens and Augusta. It’s a no-brainer (C;

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

rabidingt

NOPE!! WRONG AGAIN AS EVER - just having some gentle fun gently mirroring back the usual hysterical leftist abuse!!

I love seeing that the leftists - when it suits them - utterly disregard the laws, especially immigration laws. The illegal infestation is likely at about 20 million, certainly its well over 15 million - the govt refuses to admit “offically” its higher so becaue they have NO idea and refuse to find out. They don’t want to turn the folks completely against the odious socially corrosive amnesty being puked up in the senate and slavishly supported by the (on this matter) coward Bush!!

By BendOverCons

May 17, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this Go F Yourself you nasty treasonous TW AT!!

F-ing yourself is something that you know alot about, huh Andy/Luckodull little gimped up leech on society. What a worthless little asexual worm you are.

Thanks again Jim for giving trash like Andy a forum by which he can assassinate the republican party.

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Its hilarious to see the usual far left cyber bullies lamely attempting to gang up like a moveyourbowels.org lynch mob and attempt to bully Dusty with all these numerous dumbarse ids and obsessive, unremitting abuse… clearly these gutless scum are too ashamed to post under their “real uusal id”.

By Dusty

May 17, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Amy aka Amelia aka etc etc.@ 11:09

Now what were your ideas on the subject of the day? You forgot to tell us.

By Sara

May 17, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

By Camus

May 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

TFTT writes: Tell us scumbucket - why the hell should the US govt NOT treat illegal Mexicans exactly the way they treat their illegals??

Maybe because we are better than that as a nation?

But we won’t be Camus, if the right wing has their way. That is why it is imperative for mainstream America to declare and wage total war on this minority of bigots and fascists. The top priority for the rest of us should be the eradication of the republican right. They will suck the freedom right out of this nation if we don’t stop them now.

By Carlton Wyatt

May 17, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Forget putting another airport south of Atlanta. What a ridiculous idea. The growth is around Atlanta, not Macon, and especially on the northern end. A case could be made for an airport on the northeast side of the city, perhaps between Atlanta and Athens, with a light-rail connection between the two. But perhaps that would be too logical for the politicos of Georgia who are too busy going fishing.

By EB

May 17, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Why not put a cargo airport with limited passenger service at Dobbins and move Dobbins/NAS’s military capabilities to Robbins?

By EB

May 17, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Why not put a cargo airport with limited passenger service at Dobbins and move Dobbins/NAS’s military capabilities to Robbins?

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

F-ing yourself is something that you know alot about, huh Andy/Luckodull little gimped up leech on society. What a worthless little asexual worm you are.

HA HA HA HA HA …. too funny - too funny!!!

POOR OLD child molesting rednekkks NAMBLA - or whomever - is really easy to wind the sh!te of this morning!!

and who the hell is this “andy” these leftist queers are obsessed about?

Now answer the actual point about Mexican hypocrisy on illegals. They maltreat and forcibly deport illegals in their corrupt backward cesspit of a country - yet screech and screech like stuck greasy pigs in pidgeon spanish about gringo racism when they are treated with kid gloves here and given billions and billions in handouts and allowed top roam free on major crimeaves in LIBERAL sanctuary cities!!

GFY - leftist hypocrite!!

By Dang you're ignant and don't care

May 17, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Actually, Dusty, it’s Warner Robins. One B. It’s no wonder you are so ignorant about Georgia, your head’s never been out of your bum.

By Van

May 17, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Amy,

So much for destroying the notion that the left is tolerant.

Try staying on topic. As usual the conservatives try to stay on topic, but the leftie loonies are all over the place.

BTW Sara, the left is not anywhere main stream.

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Now answer the actual point about Mexican hypocrisy on illegals. They maltreat and forcibly deport illegals in their corrupt backward cesspit of a country - yet screech and screech like stuck greasy pigs in pidgeon spanish about gringo racism when they are treated with kid gloves here and given billions and billions in handouts and allowed to roam free on major crimewaves and kill innocent folks DUI style in LIBERAL sanctuary cities and elsewhere!!

By Jack Dorsey

May 17, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

The 2nd airport should go 45 miles west of Hartsfield-Jackson in the city of Mount Zion in Carroll County.

Rationale is obvious: * half-way between Atl and Birmingham with growing economic corridor of Oxford-Anniston, Alabama in between * along 1-20 corridor * US 27 is and has been widened between Columbus and Rome providing easy access to I-85 * weather - building in Dawsonville invite winter weather delays and issues * industry in W. Georgia - Honda Plant, Southwire, Dacoma Industry * Univ. of W. Georgia - 15,000 students

I-20 would be ideal to construct rapid transit between Atl and West Georgia along I-20 corridor.

PLUS: Mount Zion (Carroll County) already has an airport that could easily be expanded with 1,000’s of acres for future growth.

By Econ 101

May 17, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

The Federal Reserve Conference Board said Thursday its index of leading economic indicators dropped 0.5 percent in April, higher than the 0.1 decline analysts were expecting. The reading is designed to forecast economic activity over the next three to six months.

The reading tracks multiple economic indicators. Two of those readings were positive in April:

The negative contributors, beginning with the largest, were:

The 0.5 drop means the cumulative change in the index over the past six months has turned negative.

By DebbieDoRight

May 17, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Some more news about Truth. He’s one class act!!

MAN FARTS - 5 DIE

http://www.themudpile.com/news/sfarts.htm

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

let’s bully Dusty

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we can’t actually answer the awkward points about the illegal Mexican type infestation - so let’s keep bullying Dusty - who is not quite as harsh in her responses as some other conservatives.

signed

cowardly leftist scum hiding behind endless moronic, dumbarse ids!!

By Hide 'n Seek

May 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo on Wednesday accused Dell Inc. and its financial services affiliate of “bait and switch” advertising and failing to deliver on promised customer service.

Round Rock, Texas-based Dell lured customers with zero percent financing, then switched them to a higher rate without their knowledge at the time of purchase, according to the lawsuit.

The question I have is, where is Georgia’s Attorney General when we need him?

Thurburt Baker. Come out, come out, where ever you are.

By crackpipe your pimp is calling ... again

May 17, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

poor old obese whoralicious slapper crackpipe - it cant actually debate the illegal Mexican infestation so it resorts to enraged, embittered personal abuse!!

anyway at last we can all see what crackpipe looks like:

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/post/1149929079/FatBlackWomanInABathOFLardAnd_Gravy

By crackpipe your pimp is calling ... again

May 17, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/post/1149929079/FatBlackWomanInABathOFLardAnd_Gravy

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1149929079/

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By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Dell are lying scum … I bought my last ever Dell PC about 2 years ago.

Their worthless third world tech support is a freaking joke!!!

By Sam

May 17, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Isn’t the current airport south of the city and don;t most of the workers live south of the airport in places like Peachtree City. Another airport south of town is nuts.

By Fun Facts

May 17, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani reported $16.1 million in earned income over the past 16 months, according to financial documents filed Wednesday.

Democratic hopeful John Edwards reported earned income of $1.25 million

By Camus

May 17, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Van,

Wooten kited the immigrant issue in his column, and then it was picked up by your brother in arms TFTT. It is now a legit topic for discussion, so live with it.

As to your anti-immigrant position, it fits right in with the standard 12-year old’s mentality of the Wingnut Right. It rests on bullying, tribalism, and a pathetic “but they do it too” rationale.

Most of the so-called illegals here are working and contributing to our society, often by doing the jobs most Americans wouldn’t touch. Most pay taxes. Occasionally, we hear sensationalized stories about how an “illegal” has done something horrible, stories that are ginned up to encourage your irrational fears. But by and large, the Latino community is no different than any other group. But they look and sound different, and that’s usually enough for the nativist loons to decide that they are ‘undesirable’.

There are plenty of examples of behaviors that are appalling. Why shouldn’t we go ahead and follow their lead to the bottom? By this logic, there is no reason for us to strive to rise above the basest behavior known to mankind. Any depravity committed by someone else becomes a license to engage the same behavior.

Most healthy people outgrow that kind of thinking during the process of adoloscence. The Wingnut Right, as capably represented by the likes of Van, TFTT and Dusty, are classic cases of arrested development. It’s easier than thinking for yourselves. (Cue Dusty to accuse me of parroting DNC talking points. She’s as predictable as the sunrise, but not nearly as bright.)

But with “leaders” like Bush (and wannabes like the current crop of dwarves running for the GOP nomination) pandering to your adolescent fears and fantasies, why bother to grow up? You’re a bunch of Peter Pans.

Time to grow up people. Your infantilism is getting expensive, and it is the rest of us, the real America, who have to pay your tab.

By DebbieDoRight

May 17, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Here’s a family shot of Truth at the park. He’s the one by the arrow saying “hi” to his friend, Little Billy!

http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/Bat-Out-Of-Hell.html

By Amber

May 17, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Here’s an excerpt from Jay Bookman’s editorial about Gingrich today:

“…I have to admit to a certain fondness for Gingrich. Yes, he elevated the use of harsh language to an art form of sorts in modern politics. Yes, he is a first-class hypocrite, preaching personal responsibility and attacking liberals for destroying the foundations of Western civilization, even while his personal life has been a disaster of his own making.

And yes, it’s also true that whenever Gingrich utters the word “frankly,” the words that follow almost always involve rank deception. And frankly, he says “frankly” a lot.

But Gingrich has also never lost his adolescent geekiness. Sometimes it takes the form of an awkward grandiosity, in which he imagines himself as a knight in shining armor defending all that is pure and decent. “People like me are all that stand between us and Auschwitz,” as he once said. He talks big and thinks big, and by doing so he can sometimes raise politics out of the mundane.

Because of the adolescent in him, Gingrich is also still drawn to new ideas like a magpie is drawn to bright and shiny objects. He admires the luster of a concept; he loves its purity, before it becomes tarnished and corrupted by reality. Whether an idea actually works or not in real life sometimes seems less important to him than how cool it is, how beautiful it seems.

That is the sincere side of Gingrich. He has an honest enthusiasm for ideas that is rare and attractive in a politician. If he does run for president, he’ll bring that quality to the 2008 campaign and by doing so raise its level significantly…”

A surprising assessment from Mr. Bookman. Me? I think Gingrich is full of crap. He uses a lot of words, yet when all is said and done, little (if any) substance is contained therein. In addition, he has elevated contradicting oneself (over time) to an art form.

Note to Camus — Fantastic post at 11:52!

By SCNetworks

May 17, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

I am told that the property owned by the City of Atlanta in Dawsonville is the old Nuclear test site for Lockeed. Yes, an old reactor site. Locals tell me that the real issue here is the cost to clean this property up to be useful again for anything.

Infrastucure is also a huge issue. Too much building, too fast.

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Illegals are the most vicious and murderous of the gangbangers - try living in various parts of LA to see this. They (collectively) constitute over 30% of the total prison pop at county/state/fed level. 95% of outstanding murder warrants in LA County which is a massive area are for illegal Mexican types. Mexican army types frequently shoot at US Border GUards to help drug smugglers … the schools in many border states have been destroyed by the infestation - counties have to pay to educate illegal kids who have NO business being in the country. There are even Mexican kids crossing the border every day in El Paso to go to USA schools. Mexican ambulances conmstantly drop off seriously ill mexicans at US border hospitals!! Imagine if the US did this!!!

The jobs myth is just that - and many of the mexican in building do a p!ss poor job. Illegals are often exploited - and that should stop. Jail the employers for 5 years each toime they’;re caught - it will stop. Illegals live 10 or even more to a house - destroying neighbourhoods and creating crime that was never there before. The social costs are endless - legalising 15 million plus ilegals plus allowing their immediate family in will destroy many parts of the USA.

Klinton’s labour certification “amnesty” was virtually IGNORED by mexicans - it was indians/pakis/afrikans/south americans and some euros etc who took advantage of this amnesty.

SEcuring the border and clearing out the illegals is the RIGHT AND DUTY of any govt - the mexicans do it always!!!

SO SHOULD WE!!!

The diseases some illegals bring in are a major problmer, espc TB and various trains of hepatitus. The goivt have NOP idea how many illegals are here - until they do chaos will reign. As will the crime wave … a non partisan group calculated that there are well over 250,000 illegal child molestors, this number was simply extrapolated by using the usual number of these sickos in the US population.

By getalife

May 17, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

My goodmess,

“lies”is really tweaking today

Meth kills loser.

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

WEAK MINDED PANDERING dishonest SCUM LIKE CAMUS are a sick joke that social Darwinism should have already taken care of!!

ITS almost quite SAD REALLY - but unsurprising, poor old crackpipe - our resident racist whoralicious black blubbery slapper is getting ever more desperate to try and abuse its conservative betters … go kiss a hooded cobra crackpipe - WHO LOVES YA BABY??

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

the greaseball illegal maggot brain is as ever unable to actually debate any points - just more of its pathetic G. SOREos sheeple like abuse!!

sod off back to Cuba maggot brain - there’s a good dog!!

By Out of the Box

May 17, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

As long as we are widening Peachtree to accomodate streetcars, sidewalks, and parks, why not include runways? Sure be cheaper to do it all at the same time rather than come back and do it later I say.

By Democrats are Pro-Life

May 17, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Giuliani, the former NYC mayor likes to brag about the drop in his city’s abortion rate during his tenure, but a review of the figures from Mr. Giuliani’s years as mayor, from 1994 to 2001, shows that although abortions did decline and adoptions did increase, the changes mirrored national trends. In fact, NYC’s abortion rate dropped less than the national average over his eight years in office.

As I recall, President Clinton was in the White House during most of Giuliani’s term as Mayor — further evidence that if you’re really pro-life and are serious about reducing the abortion rate in this country, then vote for a Democrat for President.

By No Mas

May 17, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

By Camus

May 17, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Van,

Wooten kited the immigrant issue in his column, and then it was picked up by your brother in arms TFTT. It is now a legit topic for discussion, so live with it.

Camus, Van is cognizent enough to know that this issue is a big loser for the republican party. He is at least smart enough to try to kill it, whereas the Bds/RWs/Luckosh&ts, Dustys, et al fall right into the trap, and proverbially drop trou and show their fat, nasty unwiped racist azzes, every time they open their mouths on the subject. Van knows that this issue causes cons to lose votes. Congratulations Van, you figured out the trap that Wooten set here.

By Politically Incorrect

May 17, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

On May 15, 2008, at the Republican Debates in South Carolina, Rudy Giuliani attacked Ron Paul’s statement that U.S. foreign policy perhaps contributed to the motivation for the 9-11 attacks as the most absurd thing he had ever heard and asked Dr. Paul to retract his comment. Dr. Paul stood his ground at the debate and later gave a solid defense of his statement to Sean Hannity in a post-debate interview which sent Hannity ballistic. Sean Hannity (narrowly informed on so many things but vocal on all) and Giuliani, are both ignorant of the 9-11 Commission report that supports Dr. Paul’s comments.

While it is one thing to hold a definite preference for one’s own country, religion, and form of government, working for, and negotiating favorable trade agreements and international cooperation in many areas, it is quite another to assume the role of “Decider” for the rest of the world. As Dr. Paul so clearly pointed out in the debate and subsequent interview, our elected leaders should consider the impact our foreign policy has on other nations and individuals prone to extreme behavior, asking, in effect: “What would we think or do if other countries presumed to occupy America, build military bases on our soil, and interfere with the operation of our country and its government.”

Not that any of this is in any way justification for the evil acts of 9-11, or any other terrorist act by any individual or nation. But an interventionist attitude by the greatest power on earth can certainly, in the minds of most reasonable people, be a catalyst provoking the extreme fringe and unbalanced to committing such atrocities.

By DawgBite

May 17, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

By forcibly deport ALL illegal Mexicans NOW

May 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

WEAK MINDED PANDERING dishonest SCUM LIKE CAMUS are a sick joke that social Darwinism should have already taken care of!!

Luckodull,you sorry little asexual worm of a man/woman/both. You are the poster child for how social Darwinism weeds em out. Go change your s**%y diapers you worthless little pole smoker.

By Captain Freedom

May 17, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

The Captain detects a trend in the argument from frenchy Camus, and sees clearly his Soros-defined agenda.

If we take his froggy lead, we would have to judge each choice we make on some set of values, rather than reacting instinctively to the actions of other people or nations. This will lead to a breakdown of our society, for it is clear that Our Values and Cherished Way of Life cannot survive a foolish adherence to some set of values that keep us from acting as necessary. It’s called making the hard choices, and proves that one is serious about fighting Islamoatheism in all its forms.

Yes, I am talking about torture.

Under the Gitane-sucker’s argument, the fact that torture exists in other parts of the world does not de facto confer on us the right to torture. Well, the Captain says that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, if you get my drift.

But if that’s not good enough for the surrender monkey bedwetters, we can turn to the secular humanists’ best friend…situational ethics. Now I realize that this is shaky ground. But hear me out, because it works for Jack Bauer every week, and that’s proof enough of its worth.

So what would you do, Mr Camus, if your plane had crashed on a remote island that might or might not be purgatory and/or a big science experiment and/or a figment of your imagination, and on this island, along with a lot of improbably beautiful women, some polar bears, a smoke monster, and an army of natives who are constantly trying to kidnap your women and children, was a former member of the Iraqi Army who (let’s just say) knew how to use ‘enhanced techniques’ to get information — and if also on that island was a conman who had stashed all the medicine that was on your plane and was refusing to give it up to a girl having an asthma attack — and if you were a world-class surgeon with daddy issues who really, really wanted to save the day — would you sic the Iraqi torturer on the conman in order to get the girl’s inhaler?

See, it’s not so easy adhering to so-called “values” when a real-world situation like this one comes along.

So remain hale and hearty, True Beleivers. Sometimes we must violate our principles in order to preserve them.

And, yes, let’s start that forced deportation right away, or at least as soon as Pedro the Plumber finishes working out the problems with the pipes in Mrs Freedom’s vanity.

By death to supercilious brain dead liberals

May 17, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Luckodull,you sorry little asexual worm of a man/woman/both. You are the poster child for how social Darwinism weeds em out. Go change your s%y diapers you worthless little pole smoker.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

How quickly the thin veneer of glib, psuedo intellectualism peels off when the verminous liberal afterbirth are wittily and sententiously pilloried.

Our “resident” HAPPILY LONG DEAD oft mislabelled as an existentialist french algerian camel molestor urgently needs to feed the same desert graveyard worms its would be alter ego Camus is!!

By JohnD

May 17, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

The law of our land, we are a country of laws for you Libs, should be enforced.

I have personal knowledge of families divided when the parents were found here illegally and left for Canada until they could return legally. The parents returned and all are now legal residents or naturalized citizens.

We should not be in the position of deciding who will or will not be prosecuted for breaking the law. All who are here illegally should be sent out to return as the law provides. Any other treatment brings into question all of our laws and gives individuals the mindset to determine which laws are fair or unfair as their personal situation changes.

Respect for our laws should be the first thought instilled in immigrants from any country and as long as their first act on our soil is illegal you will see the rampant disrespect we currently experience.

The standard talking points are already evident in today’s posts:

They do jobs Americans will not - that is just nonsense and to suggest such is an insult to Americans.

Most pay taxes - that is untrue of the illegals and another “urban legend”.

By “ginned up stories” do you mean the illegal in Virginia with previous DUI’s who killed a teenage girl while DUI? He lived in a sanctuary city so he was never deported. I would like to see you try to sell the “ginned up” trash to that girl’s father.

Personally, as the father of a teen age girl I would love to have you try to sell that nonsense to me - face to face, man to man.

There are reports the illegals in the US kill more people every year, while driving drunk or committing other crimes, than the number of soldiers lost in Iraq since the beginning of the war.

You want the US out of Iraq so why do you want the illegals in the US?

How about someone so self-important they declare themselves the “real America”? Sounds like a Hillary clone.

Just so you do not label me one of your hated “neocons”, I do not see a Presidential candidate on either party’s slate. Certainly there are no statesmen(statespeople?).

By lance

May 17, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Is anybody interested in talking about if Georgia needs a second major airport and which location should it be in? Or does everyone just want to yap about race, immigration, and the liberal/conservative schism…since talking about the airport requires too much brainpower?

It seems it’s much easier for everyone here to retread their prejudices rather than think or discuss for a second.

Carry on with your silliness…

By lance

May 17, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Is anybody interested in talking about if Georgia needs a second major airport and which location should it be in? Or does everyone just want to yap about race, immigration, and the liberal/conservative schism…since talking about the airport requires too much brainpower?

It seems it’s much easier for everyone here to retread their prejudices rather than think or discuss for a second.

Carry on with your silliness…

By Redneck Convert

May 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Well, it looks like TFTT decided to take the day off and snort meth. He’s been ranting about the Mexicans all day. Its a shame England can’t send us some of their decent people.

My buddy Jim Earl showed me a print out of this Rudy Giuliani’s income last year. The guy made 11 million bucks just for giving speeches. Remember the traffic tie-ups when this big motivation seminar was held downtown? Well, Giuliani got 100,000 bucks ever time he went and spoke at one of them.

I say TFTT could be a rich man if he went and spoke in public. He could rant about the Mexicans and make everbody laugh at him. That way he could give up hanging around a blog all day with nothing else to do. He would be rich faster than Mitt Romney could double the size of Guantanomo Bay prison.

I feel sorry for Sister Dusty. Having TFTT praise her and all. Its like a prostitoot standing up and telling everbody how virtuous you are.

By Jack

May 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

DawgBite. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

By DawgBite

May 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Go suck on one Luckoworm. Then turn around and bend over cause you got a message coming in.

By Pat

May 17, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Build the new airport in Gainesville so the illegals can get promoted from cutting chickens’ throats to bagage handlers. Then airfare may be as low as a KFC value meal. Where the next airport will be is the very least of our problems in this state and country. The Arabs will make that decision in due time.

By JohnD

May 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Lance,

I will offer on the airport.

Put the airport where the customers are and do not allow another situation like Hartsfield.

The current Atlanta airport is nothing more than a social program for the supporters and relatives of current and former mayors. The concurrent increase in costs for all services are passed on to the airlines and eventually to the travelers to support the deadbeats.

Back to location. While the Robins AFB suggestion sounds nice the 150 miles to the population north of Atlanta would be a problem.

There are a number of regional airports in North Goergia that could be adapted. I do not know for certain since I am neither a pilot nor an airplane enthusiast but there is certainly much land nearer the ultimate consumers than Middle Georgia.

By RCH

May 17, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Lets put the airport where the customers are. Further north up 400.This airport could be used for international flights only with a connection to Hartsfield by the existing Marta line.

By Russell

May 17, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Convert Dobbins Air National Guard base into the north airport. Keep the City of Atlanta out of the north airport…period. They’ve mismanaged Hartsfield enough. Place Cobb County in charge of the airport. They’ve already proven that they can manage. The infrastructure of roads and highways is already in place. Little would have to be changed. The populace surrounding Dobbins is already used to jet traffic. The federal government would likely be delighted to close this base if the locals were getting a new airport out of the deal. For all the practical reasons given above, this will never be done, because it makes too much sense, and there is probably not enough chance for fraud and graft to get it done.

By Amelia

May 17, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Law and Order John, then lets start with the lawlessness on our highways and then go from there. 285 is a bigger threat than immigrants ever will be.

By C.W. Odessa

May 17, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

JohnD wrote, “…we are a country of laws for you Libs…”

It’s interesting that JohnD applies his “country of laws” line to some, yet not to others.

JohnD never complains in this blog about our government illegally invading the privacy of U.S. citizens, illegally firing U.S. attorneys to affect the outcome of an investigation, illegally paying billions to the well-connected for work that either isn’t completed or is performed half-a*******ed (Iraq and New Orleans), illegally obstructing justice in an investigation regarding the outing of a CIA agent, illegally refusing to enforce regulations that have been on the books for years, illegally using government offices to advance political objectives, and on and on.

No. JohnD reaches back in time to grab and selectively apply the “country of laws” line — popular during the Clinton years and introduced by Rush Limbaugh in his publication , “The Complete Book of Demagoguery”, copyright 1992.

Congratulations, buddy. You are the a*******hole du jour (ADJ).

(P.S. to ADJ — I know that facts don’t jive with your worldview, but here’s a link to one of Mr. Wooten’s favorite “think” tanks on the subject of whether illegals pay taxes: http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060501.shtml)

By RCH

May 17, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Russell Makes sense if you could get the Federal govt. give the base up.But you still would have to connect the two airports.Marta train? International only? Or mixed flights? And yes,keep Fulton County’s grubby little hands off that airport.We could see which would be run more efficiently. Now let me guess.

By Jack

May 17, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Russell wrote, “The populace surrounding Dobbins is already used to jet traffic.”

I live three miles from Dobbins. I do hear air traffic, but I want less — not more. I knew I would get some (it’s very light) when I moved there, but to imply that the traffic brought by a commercial airport would be comparable to a small “reserve” air base is silly.

In addition, when Dobbins was built, most of the area was farmland. It’s now an extremely dense area and additional air traffic wouldn’t be feasible for safety reasons as well.

I say we build the airport next to Russell’s house. Since his wife won’t shut-up, he’d probably appreciate the escape. But, this will never be done because it makes too much sense.

By Skillo

May 17, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Why not put the airport just north of I-20 to the East? If they build the new interstates running up from Savannah through Augusta and the other one running West from Augusta through Macon, then Augusta will grow very fast. Why not build the infrastructure to grow another ‘big city’ in GA?

By You know what I just remembered

May 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Rome has an airport with a runway big enough to land a flippin’ C-5 on. Why not?

By getalife

May 17, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

There is blood in the water and the Dens are circling:

“Under FISA, spying on American citizens on American soil without a warrant is a felony. President Bush has been caught red-handed violating that law, and has even admitted as much. If there are no longer consequences for breaking the law, what has our country become?”

Impeach!

Got oversight?

More please.

By CANKERMAN

May 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Put the new airport in Alpharetta.

By Camus

May 17, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

By “ginned up stories” do you mean the illegal in Virginia with previous DUI’s who killed a teenage girl while DUI? He lived in a sanctuary city so he was never deported. I would like to see you try to sell the “ginned up” trash to that girl’s father.

In fact, the girl’s mother issued a statement asking that her daughter’s case not be used a political football in the immigration debate. She had the reason and presence of mind to recognize that an isolated tragedy should not define our attitudes towards a larger group.

By rarringt

May 17, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

It’s clear that while the regional airports could be bulked up somewhat (perhaps as part of a long range strategy to encourage larger business to set up shop down south), the only place a large, full service airport makes sense in the reasonably foreseeable future is somewhere north of I-20.

Problem is, folks up there know an airport would serve the area well, don’t want the noise of a 737 to pierce the peace and calm in their duck ponds.

Which is why Jim’s talking about Macon instead of Marietta.

Until the southern portion of the state improves education, infrastructure, and opportunity it will be very hard pressed to attract big business. Until that happens, there’s no need for a major airport, and the resources would be wasted.

By Courtney

May 17, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

JohnD (aka ADJ) wrote, “Personally, as the father of a teen age girl I would love to have you try to sell that nonsense to me - face to face, man to man.”

In fact, JohnD is 5’4” and 103 lbs, although he looks much larger in the mirror he purchased at a carnival supply house.

ADJ is a loser.

By Ed

May 17, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Weather is the most frequent cause of delays in moving connecting flights at Hartsfield. So study the storm tracks (duh!) Where can you place Hartsfield’s sister airport, where its local weather patterns would best permit an alternative landing for Hartsfield-Jackson? (Hint, Cobb and Dawson are in the normal storm tracks of summer, no matter how convenient to some. The southside is drier folks. Jim, you are Thinking Right!

By RCH

May 17, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

**Rarringt Just because you build it there does not mean people will come. Look at Underground Atlanta.The airport needs to be where people travel to to do buisness. And that is Atlanta.

By jbmlaw

May 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Dear Econ 101 @ 11:33, good analysis, I fear you are totally correct, the anti-business streams in the current Congress are causing all to rethink investment. Better returns and lower risks are available overseas. Unless or until the Congress makes the Bush tax cuts permanent, watch for a slide in the US economy.

Dear Camus @ 11:52, with all due respect, I yield to nobody on my advocacy for our “undocumented” guests, and certainly I have exchanged differing views with our friends Van and TFTT. Nevertheless I think your argument – I paraphrase - that there is “no reason” for opposition other than nativism or racism, is not true. We have a costly patchwork of government giveaway programs, and – unlike me – most of my conservative friends accept the “necessity” of those programs. Extending the coverage of those programs to include our guests is not without notable costs. I do think we must recognize the necessity of: (1) amending the immigration laws, or (2) amending – actually, reducing - the safety net, or (3) both. I propose #2. Also you mentioned Dusty in your litany of conservatives, and I do not recall Dusty advocating immigration reform – certainly I do not recall exchanging thoughts with her on that subject, and I am pretty aggressive in confronting even my friends. What did she say?

Dear dapl @ 12:20, actually the nationwide decline of the abortion rate during the Clinton years probably had more to do with a certain Arkansan rapist being out of circulation for that period.

Dear PI @ 12:34, I respectfully suggest you have fallen into the leftist trap of preoccupation with “Why do the terrorists hate us?” Withdrawal from the world is not an intelligent option; I cannot imagine any reason we should not have world-wide free trade and travel. I note, without further comment, a plausible argument that the US is target for the fundamentalist Muslims because of the Hollywood-Upper East Side-Inside the Beltway “morality,” even though the vast majority of the US does not think that way. I would urge you to contemplate the joys of the dark side I occupy, a preoccupation with, “How many of the terrorists can we kill today?” My side is more likely to solve the problem than the leftist perspective.

By Greenwald

May 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Speaking of being a “country of laws”, there is just no excuse left for allowing the administration to keep their behavior concealed from the country.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/washington/17comey.html?_r=1&oref=slogin )

What James Comey described on Tuesday is the behavior of a government completely unmoored from any constraints of law, operating only by the rules of thuggery, intimidation, and pure lawlessness. Even for the most establishment-defending organs, there are now indisputably clear facts suggesting that the scope and breadth and brazenness of the lawbreaking here is far beyond even what was known previously, and it occurred at the highest levels of the Bush administration.

We are so plainly beyond the point of no return with this criminality. It is now inescapably evident even for those who struggled for so long to avoid acknowledging it. Here is one of the most establishment-friendly voices of the Bush administration proclaiming the Attorney General of the United States to be a chronic liar and accusing the Bush administration — as part of events in which the President was deeply and personally involved — of engaging in deliberate cover-up of blatant lawbreaking. […]

James Comey’s testimony amounts to a statement that — even according to the administration’s own loyal DOJ officials — the President ordered still-unknown spying on Americans, and engaged in that spying for a full two-and-a-half-years, that was so blatantly and shockingly illegal that they were all ready to resign over it. And the President’s Attorney General then lied to ensure that this episode remain concealed. Mere one-day calls for a Congressional investigation are woefully inadequate here.

There is clear and definitive evidence of deliberate lawbreaking. In addition to Congressional investigations, there is simply no excuse for anything other than the immediate commencement of a criminal investigation by a Special Prosecutor. And the administration ought to be pressured every day to account for what it did here. This is not a one-day or one-week fleeting scandal. These revelations amount to the most transparent and deliberate crimes — felonies — by our top government officials, not with regard to private and personal matters but with regard to how our government spies on us.

By rarringt

May 17, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

RCH,

Thanks for your point, which I believe is the same as mine: if a second major airport is to be built, it should be in North Atlanta.

By jbm fan

May 17, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

“Unless or until the Congress makes the Bush tax cuts permanent, watch for a slide in the US economy.”

Dear jbmlaw @ 2:21, I respectfully suggest that you’ve fallen into the right-wing trap of lies and BS to justify your ideology (except for the part about the “joys of the dark side” — in your case, that line is true).

By Camus

May 17, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

jbm

thanks for your considered response to my post. it appears we are within shouting distance of agreement on the immigration question, though I not surprisingly come down on the side of supporting some social programs as part of the solution.

But you make it hard to undertake a reasoned debate when you include base nonsense like the “Arkansas rapist” comment. If you want to be taken seriously, you really should knock off the reflexive wingnut “humor” and leave it to that faux Brit chucklehead.

By p

May 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Why not just build the new airport in chattanooga, or greeenville or birmingham? oh, wait …

By Amelia

May 17, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, the GAO reports that immigrants are a net gain of $9,000,000,000 per year to this econonmy. They more than make up with their spending on goods and services across the board than the cost to us in social services. Business people know what will happen to this economy if those dollars disappear. Unfortunately when you cut through all the BS put out by for instance, VDARE.com, (a regular hangout for the Marietta ner do well D.A. King) it is not hard to figure out that economics and the social service argument is nothing but a convenient smokescreen that hides the true agenda for some of these rabid anti-immigrant folks. They are scared to death that America is losing it’s whiteness. They are culturally deprived people that feel threatened by anything that they are too ignorant to understand. They are also swimming against the tide. The economic and political realities of this issue will prevail. And one of the political realities that the folks on the right have not grasp yet is that the pols are forward looking. They are reading the tea leaves and those leaves are telling them that they need the immigrant vote to survive in the future more than they need the votes of a group who’s influence diminishes with each passing day.

By jbmlaw

May 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Dear Camus @ 2:40, your critique is fair and when I proclaim my candidacy for gubernator of Georgia I suppose I’ll have to quit with the silly jokes.

By RCH

May 17, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

* Amelia* I didn’t want to comment on this issue, but when I saw you statement, I just couldn’t help myself.You may be right on the purchasing power,however on the Net GNP for every dollar spent by these individuals, a dollar and fifteen cents is paid in services to these people. That is a minus fifteen cents. This is not a issue of immigration. It is an issue of illegal immigration.Illegal immigration also includes ” white” from the former Soviet Union etc. In the past immigration was determined by economics. The more workers we needed the more we let in. What will you do with all these unskilled workers when the economy takes a dive.Same thing they did in Europe; raise taxes to pay unemployment and other social services. Lets get real.Immigration needs to be controlled just like anything else in our society.

By jbmlaw

May 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Dear Amelia @ 3:07, you realize you are preaching to the choir when you tell me about the net benefits of our immigrant population, and a substantial portion of the number you cite is attributable to “undocumenteds.” Nevertheless, it is not honest for us to affirm that there is no increase in the costs of the American social safety net. Perhaps my hyperbole on the value of the safety net put you off – I apologize for dishonest overstatement – but I think it true to note that the safety net has unbudgeted expenses mostly attributable to “undocumenteds.” That portion of the critique by my conservative friends is valid, at least in part.

By K-Squared

May 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

“…for every dollar spent by these individuals, a dollar and fifteen cents is paid in services to these people.”

RCH,

I find this statistic hard to believe. If you don’t mind, what is your source?

By getalife

May 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

“Let history record that Kelly O’Donnell of NBC News was the first journalist to ask George W. Bush the question that will end his presidency.

O’Donnell: “Sir, did you send your then chief of staff and White House counsel to the bedside of John Ashcroft while he was ill to get him to approve that program, and do you believe that kind of conduct from White House officials is appropriate?”

Bush evaded the question wholesale, so O’Donnell asked it again.

O’Donnell: “Was it on your order, sir?”

Bush: “As I said, the program is a necessary program that was constantly reviewed and constantly briefed to the Congress…”

By Amelia

May 17, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Interestingly enough jbmlaw, a few moments ago the Senate leadership agreed on an immigration package that would give illegals presently in this country instance legal status in the form of a Z visa. President Bush is extremely happy with the deal.

RW and Dusty. My condolences. Go ahead and pitch your tantrums and throw yourself a pity party if it makes you feel better. But when you two are through crying in your beer and put out that last cigarette, turn out the lights. The party is over.

By death to supercilious brain dead liberals

May 17, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

@ Camus the illegal arselicking liar!

The teenage girl murdered by a despicable mexican illegal who should have been deported for other crimes long before this happened in VA Beach had both her father and sister speak on TV, demanding action against illegals The sickening LIBERAL sanctuary policy in VA Beach has been very reluctantly ended - although the incompetent liberal police chief was angry about it being ended, after this double vehicular homicide crime that should never have happened -and wouldn’t - except for vile LIBERAL pandering!!

Tell us about LIBERAL sanctuary cities camusturd - why are cops NOT allowed to challenge even known violent gangbanging criminals about their immigration status?

Illegals are an increasing divisive and corrosive cancer on society, because of what they actually do and also what they arrogantly demand!!

This was not an “ISOLATED INCIDENT”. Illegals in recent years have killed dozens and dozens of US citizens, by DUI’s and with guns/knives etc - but worthless liberal scum like you simply don’t care! All scum like you care about is an open borders policy and handing over anything free loading illegals demand. I take it if 10 or 12 or even more illegals moved in to a single house/flat next door to you or maybe someone elderly in your family you’d be quite content.

END THE ILLEGAL INFESTATION NOW!!!

By getalife

May 17, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

The immigration bill is DOA and is all political bs like stopping the Iraq occupation.

The States will have to enforce the current immigration laws.

The Iraq government will have to stop the illegal occupation.

By RCH

May 17, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

* K-squard* Senate Finance committee 2004 report.You have to remember, most illegals pay no Federal or State taxes,but yet use numerous social services. Should we say the “fair tax”. I would also ask Amelia,who is coming into this country? Are they criminal’s,do they carry diseases. Who knows.And if we gave amnesty to every illegal in this country today,what would you do with the ones that come here tomorrow?

By Amelia

May 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

getalife, it’s gonna happen.

Agreement Reached on Immigration Reform May 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT WASHINGTON - Key senators in both parties and the White House announced agreement Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border. The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that workers are here legally. The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most conservative Republicans together with President Bush’s Cabinet officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy political consequences. Bush hailed completion of the deal as a “historic moment,” and said he looked forward to signing it into law, according to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who said he called the president to inform him of it. “Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement that we just reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into the sunshine of America,” Kennedy said. Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said, “It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law.” The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush’s top non-war priorities. The president has said he wants to sign an immigration bill by summer’s end. The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-called “point system” that would for the first time prioritize immigrants’ education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards. The draft bill “gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal status for those who are currently here” illegally, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which isn’t expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first. The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a “Z visa” and - after paying fees and a $5,000 fine - ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first. They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed. A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until those so-called “triggers” had been activated. Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year in between each time. Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to stay and work indefinitely in the U.S. In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions, which they say are needed to end “chain migration” that harms the economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it’s an unfair system that rips families apart. Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a green card - except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens. New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country. Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. © 2007 EarthLink, Inc. All rights reserved. Members and visitors to the EarthLink Web site agree to abide by our Policies and Agreements. EarthLink Privacy Policy Submit your Feedback

By Darrel

May 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

You all are forgetting the main facts about a new airport. It WILL go wherever the most political palms can get greased: PERIOD!! Doesn’t matter which crooked axx party is in office at the time the location is selected. As long as the “brothers-in-law” can get jobs building it and the politicians can get greased it doesn’t matter what is best for the State of Georgia. Remember that!

By Aquagirl

May 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Amelia, it’s not a law yet. Put your Corona back in the cooler. And try providing links, rather than huge blocks of text that include the earthlink fine print.

article without the happy-happy we all get along view

By Spongebob

May 17, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Before you sign off today, don’t forget to go to Access Atlanta and vote for your favorite animated character. I vote for our very own Martha Vermious SCUM TFTT Jo.

By RCH

May 17, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

* Amelia* As I said, controlled immigration. Read this very carefully.People have to go back home,an 8-12 year wait,etc.And yes those who work will pay taxes!

By B

May 17, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Why not use/expand Dobbins? There is already enough jet traffic there anyway so there would be a small increase in sound. The runway is long enough, it is close to 75,41, and 285, and the roads going to Dobbins are wide enough to accomodate the traffic. As long as Dobbins is mainly US traffic only utilizing smaller aircraft (think regional jets, 737, MD88, etc) and not having international traffic then it would be a no brainer I think. Think of Dobbins becoming a better Midway Airport in Chicago. It can be done.

I know how the politicians are though and that means that the most cost effective, best option, etc will not happen. They will instead build a monstrous airport on high priced land somewhere that is difficult for the majority of Atlantans to get to.

By idgham

May 17, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

To Dawgbite: don’t you have a job? you’ve been on here all day with your yip yapping.

By Camus

May 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Dobbins is a logical choice as long as the plans include an efficient mass-transit link between there and Hartsfield. It is really essential. Ask anyne who has contended with the Gatwick-Heathrow or Orly-DeGaulle transfer process. The New York area airports are another good example of the need for intelligent airport-to-airport transfer options.

By JB

May 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Darrel is right - sad but true. I wouldn’t worry too much about a new airport right now though, since we’re still probably 20 years away from anything happening. However, if it does happen it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing for nearby residents. I live 5 minutes from Hartsfield-Jackson in East Point, and I find it absolutely heavenly to come home from a long trip and have either a 10-minute MARTA ride or a $10 cab ride home. And I have never once been bothered by the noise of planes. I hear them in the distance when I’m outside but isn’t half as annoying as people who drive by my house with their windows down and music thumping. But anyway, it’s the design of the flight paths that matter; not necessarily the proximity of the airport to your home.

By DawgBite

May 17, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

I’m trying to be like Luckodumbass, RW, Buy Danish, and Dusty, idgham. When they get a job, so will I.

By michelle

May 17, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

dawson county??????? this area is about one of the only green-areas left in the state!!! PLEASE don’t move MARTA up to here (or the airport)!!

By Amelia

May 17, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

By Aquagirl

May 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Amelia, it’s not a law yet. Put your Corona back in the cooler. And try providing links, rather than huge blocks of text that include the earthlink fine print.

Aquagirl, you are one of the most reasonable people here day in and day out, but this bill will pass. There is too much at stake for both parties not to pass it. The elections are coming Aquagirl and this is all about the scramble for the LEGAL immigrant vote. They are scale tippers now and neither party will risk alienating them. And yes, I do like Corona, but much prefer Pacifico. Try it some time. And I do apologize for my lack of skill in posting the story, but I am a psychologist by profession, not an editor. Anyway. My apologies.

By yellowblood

May 17, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

I cannot believe that this subject has finally been raised during my lifetime. This is the topic that Atlanta political operatives refuse to discuss. They want the Hartsfield monopoly because it is a goldmine. No other city the size of Atlanta operates with just one airport. The only feasible location for a second apt is north at least 50 miles from downtown in the Jefferson area on I-85. I’m just waiting for an Atlanta mayoral candidate to run on this issue alone.

By c.

May 17, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Dobbins Air Force Base? Convert to commercial, problem solved.

By HW

May 17, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Build a high speed rail system between Atlanta and all cities within 3 hours (driving) away from Atlanta. The hub of the system is the ATL airport, which allows easy transfer from the plane to the train.

The system will be built with the investment from AirTran, Delta and public funding.

Once the system is built, ban all flights between Atlanta and these cities.

Reallocate the landing slots to medium/long haul flights.

No new airport, no new terminal, just a new/cleaner mode of transportation.

By Jack

May 17, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

No need to build a new airport. You have perfectly good underutilized ones in Macon, Columbus, Athens and Chattanooga. You just need high speed rail linking them and maybe expanded terminals. Even if they were conventional high speed going 100 MPH, it would just be a 30 minute ride.

The could treat the train as a connection so the luggage would be transferred to the train for connecting passengers so you don’t have to go pick up you luggage when you connection is in one of the outlying airports.

They could build the rail lines the rail line effort with commuter rail along the same route. The airport trains could essentiall be commuter trains themselves as well allowing people who live in Columbus, Macon, Athens and Chattanooga to work in Atlanta or vice versa. (You’d have the airport non-stop trains, express with limited stops in the suburbs, and locals that made frequent stops). Kill 2 birds with one stone.

These cities already suffer lack of air service because of proximity to Hartsfield and poor service from ASA.

By Dusty

May 17, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I’m back! I’m back!

Well, Amelia thinks I’ve been here all day. Besides being wrong about that as she is with many things, I don’t smoke and I can’t stand the taste of beer. Oh well, who cares.

As to the immigration issue as opposed to the topic de jour, I prefer running this country by the laws governing the country. That is: Goodbye illegals!!Thanks to our loyal legals!!!

There is now a fine South American in our family. How much I enjoy him. He is legal in every way and looking forward to full citizenship. He is an asset to us and the country.

That is one of America’s strengths and joys, the coming of law abiding people who work hard and love this country.

By Apocalypse

May 17, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Dusty Buy Danish B!tch,

You cannot escape me! I know your strategy now.

By idgham

May 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

On topic: A second airport in the metro area will have to carve it’s niche while under intense competition from Delta and Airtran’s hub-spoke operations at HJIA. I’m no expert, but I suspect that they will quickly gravitate to origin-destination traffic with a low cost carrier like jetblue or southwest being dominant. For models, think Southwest at BWI or Midway or Manchester NH. Also, think Frontier at Oakland, and bmi/ryanair at London-Stansted. This model does place limits on the location of the airport: proximity to the metro area is of paramount importance. Do you really think northsiders who whine about driving to HJIA will truck it to Augusta for a flight? LOL. To my mind, same goes for Warner Robbins and Macon. (But then, by 2030, Chattanooga and Macon will probably be part and parcel of the ATL metro area, and my assumptions may be moot) Given that there’s no NIMBY like a well-financed one, you can bet those fine folk in North Fulton or Forsyth won’t have a busy airport for a neighbor. Even if we can find a 5000 acre tract of land in Alpharetta, the NIMBYs will use the courts to make a near northside airport prohibitively expensive. And that highlights the one issue that I think will come to dominate this debate in future - the cost of land. I’m fairly certain we’ll end up using one of those parcels the Ciy of Atlanta already owns for just this reason.

Hints for dawgbite on where to find gainful employment: look for the crowds of mexicans on street corners across atlanta around 7am, waiting for day labor. They earn their keep by the sweat on their brow. He probably won’t read far enough into my post to actually see this before firing off a right wing missive ;-)

By Aquagirl

May 17, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Amelia, there may be some form of legislation passed, but I doubt it will look like the bill right now. Sane people realize something has to be done, but it’s not like anyone is Washington is sane. There are a lot of legal-born citizen votes up for grabs too. Who knows what will happen?

I like Corona, have tried Pacifico, but really miss Chihuahua. It was part of the ‘80’s Mexican beer fad.

You might want to go on an obscure blog and try posting a couple of links. That way you can figure it out without stepping in the middle of the discussion here. These people are not real forgiving. I was just trying to make the point that reading a solid block of text with extraneous stuff included doesn’t get your point across well. That’s applied psychology.

By DawgBite

May 17, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

I was thinking more along the lines of gutting fish at the farmers market idgham. But thanks for the tip. It is always good to get advice from someone who actually knows all about that kind of labor like you do idgham.

By K-Squared

May 17, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

RCH wrote, “Senate Finance committee 2004 report. You have to remember, most illegals pay no Federal or State taxes,but yet use numerous social services. Should we say the “fair tax”.”

RCH,

I’m usually pretty competent with Google, but I’m unable to find the Senate Finance Committee report you’re referring to — probably because it doesn’t exist.

In fact, your claim that “for every dollar spent by these individuals, a dollar and fifteen cents is paid in services to these people” comes from a 2004 report from the Center of Immigration Studies, an anti-immigration “think” tank.

You later claim that most illegals pay no Federal or State taxes. Here’s a link from an earlier poster that you obviously missed:

http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060501.shtml

By LMK

May 17, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

If Dusty believed in “running this country by the laws governing the country”, as she claims, then she would not still be supporting the criminal who lives in the White House.

By Amelia

May 17, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

We can probably agree to disagree aquagirl. I do believe that it will pass. It makes sense to pass it. No way you force that many people to leave. In fact it is impossible. Alot of business people are working behind the scenes to get it passed and tht is ultimately who will be listened to. But when you have a 100 million immigrant population now, the political stakes are enormous. 06 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that mobilized Latinos can swing elections. If you don’t believe it, give J.D. Hayworth a call. He was sitting in a safe seat in Arizona until he started pandering to the radical right. The Latinos sent him home. Watch what will happen to Chip Rogers right here in Georgia if he ever seeks statewide office. Besides aquagirl, there is a human side to this issue too. To me it is about doing the right thing as well. This country has lost too much of it’s heart already and the time has come to once again start living up to the basic principles that this country has stood for over the years. And that includes having a heart.

By deegee

May 17, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Georgia’s hills shouldn’t be an issue. Anyone ever flown out of Geneva, Switzerland? You really want to be alert and watching that takeoff.

By melo

May 17, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Amelia and Psycho girl, what are u two beyotches doing on here. These red blooded rednecks like musturbating without being watched by women. Ask jbmlaw!!

By deegee

May 17, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Amelia, you are whizzing in the wind if you think you can make a case from humanism on this blog. I am optimistic that the House and Senate will come up with something reasonable this year. This year is different than last year. The border crackdown is having an effect and businesses have screamed loud and long at Congress for sitting on their partisan behinds last year.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Mar07/0,4670,PrisonerFarmers,00.html

By Aquagirl

May 17, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Yeah, we’re going to disagree for some fundamental reasons. First, there aren’t 100 million immigrant votes.

Second, I’ve said repeatedly, you dont’ have to force people to leave if you remove the reasons they are here.

Third, it seems more like doing the right thing if we demand Mexico and the rest of Central America quit treating their citizens like they are little profit-producers for their rich people. By letting them emigrate to the US and send money home, they don’t have to take care of a lot of their population, while still keeping the ruling classes in power.

What’s decent about letting the non-immigrants live in hellholes? That’s what we’re doing by letting the Mexican and other governments force their people here by allowing such disgusting conditions back home.

By JohnD

May 18, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Amelia @ 1:23,

Your comment is nonsense, just drive in the right lane and you will be fine. Tell the soldiers at Fort Dix, the targets of the illegals captured last week that any highway is more dangerous.

CWO @ 1:27,

The country of laws comment was aimed at those who wish to ignore the law.

The other items you list are not topics of the blog but you are able to follow the talking points memo published by MoveOn.org.

I have never read anything by Rush Limbaugh and have not heard him on the radio in many years, however I am glad you listen to him and read his books; you need exposure to other opinions. You do not seem to handle opposing views very well.

Please use some imagination and derive your own tag lines – your insistence on the use of profanity (like most Libs on this blog) just reinforces the view of Libs as mindless, shallow thinkers.

By the way, Shikha Dalmia’s article is primarily opinion, not facts.

Camus @ 1:58,

Selective reporting is the trademark of the Left. The problem is that the death is not an isolated incident and I never mentioned the Mother, I mentioned the Father. How about reporting his comments Camus or would that not support your position?

Courtney @ 2:11,

Your estimates are short by about a foot in height and 125 pounds in weight but I will venture forward knowing while taller than you (most likely) I probably weigh significantly less. You are the Courtney with the Dunkin Donuts and Ryan’s frequent diner cards are you not?

If the responses by the four Libs above are the best the Left has to offer then can there be any mystery as to the origin of “Looney Left”?

By Hua Chan

May 18, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Buy Chamblee (just about the whole city is pretty cheap) and expand PDK airport. It already has a MARTA station.

By Julia

May 18, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

With all the land the wild fire has cleared down in South Georgia, It would seem to me that some place south of Atlanta between Atlanta and the State line within the burning path) would be the perfect place and make more sense because the land is already it wouldn’t take much to clear the land completely off and it would better serve the people down there that have to travel so far to get a flight from that end. Albany has a small airport and Macon has a small airport, maybe one or both of them could be expanded to land bigger airplanes in and not just commuter and small airplanes. Altanta (the city as it appear on the map not the subcities)already have 3 airports (Hartfield-Jackson, Charlie Brown & Peachtree-Dunwoody), how many more airports do they need before they determine that it’s one of the main transfer points and regardless, it’s going to have the traffic no matter what. The more airport the more traffic, just like major highways here in Atlanta. The more lanes you add the more traffic.

By mary steinman

May 18, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Definitely north—perhaps Chattanooga.

By Carter

May 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Anywhere but south!

By blah, blah, blah

May 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

The south of town DOES NOT need another airport. The airport needs to north of the city, where most of the business are and most of the business travelers actually are located. Wake up people!!

By blah, blah, blah

May 18, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

The south of town DOES NOT need another airport. The airport needs to north of the city, where most of the business are and most of the business travelers actually are located. Wake up people!!

By ranger

May 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Wooten’s right, south is the only place the populace will ever allow a second Atlanta airport to be built. The vast land triangle between Jackson, Forsyth and Macon, bordered by GA 87, U. S. 23 and I-75, contains nothing but pine trees and worn-out farm land, and the surrounding areas are begging for the jobs and economic development that the new airport would bring. Bullet rail the northerners to the south side to catch flights.

By dr. richard kuebbing

May 18, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Good start on an idea!

1) Why help develop TN? There are more votes in south GA!

2) Draw a line from Macon to Columbus. Mark 1/2 way mark and go a bit north. That’s the general place that serves a huge hunk of the state not now developed plus two great emerging development areas.

3) Roads to Macon and Columbus. Only rail to ATL. Rail line in tunnel for security and to avoid land aquisition squabbles.

4) Short range addition: Continue rail to Cobb underground. Two stations: Vinings/Cumberland and Town Center.

5) Long range plan: Rome and Dalton

6) Very long range plan: Up 575 and/or Chattanooga.

By SavTechIE

May 18, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

I75 south of 285 is overloaded!!! Any 2nd airport has got to address the Atlanta interstate problems. A common solution is to separate thru traffic from local, plus extending MARTA with some EXPRESS routes.

HOVs are not being utilized! Set aside 2 lanes for THRU traffic only with no entry/exit anywhere inside 285. Trucks and any number of passengers will be permitted. Minimum speed 55mph. 100-foot truck intervals.

Extend MARTA to Cochran via Macon and Warner-Robbins. Remodel W-R airport to take on additional capacity.

Move all GA state agencies to vicinity of Cochran, on MARTA route, with living and dining accomodations for conferences, conventions, and legislative sessions.

Construct GA toll roads bypassing Atlanta: (1) from Griffin-Villa-Rica-Rome-I59 at Trenton and (2) Augusta - Sandersville -WarnerRobbins - Columbus.

If we can’t do any of these, then we’ll have to move Atlanta!

By WootenDull

May 19, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

{{{PUBLIC EDITOR: Rumors about Vick, dogfight require dose of caution, Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}

Whereas rumors about any member of the Bush Administration would require reckless abandon and giant goony front page headlines 24/7.

Geez.

Cowards.

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From the Urinal Vent section:

Greensburg, Kan., will be rebuilt in a quick and efficient manner because it’s in a red state.

Well, actually, the people in Kansas were smart enough to have insurance on their property, you libs from New Orleans should look into it.

Although it does require tough decisions, do I set aside some of my money in case of emergency or do I snort it all up and whine about the president when the house gets blown or washed away?

Geez.

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The Urinal, hating on the dead:

{{{Articles in the AJC posthumously lauding the Rev. Jerry Falwell reveal an amazingly narrow view of a man who spent his life preaching intolerance and creating division among people., Jeff C. Atlanta, proudly displaying his intolerance while he creates division among people, geez.}}}

Let it go, man.

Get a freaking life.

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Look at these animals, vicious stupid savages:

{{{In six days of mayhem, 47 Palestinians have died in infighting and another 17 were killed by Israeli strikes. The latest casualty was a 40-year-old Palestinian fisherman named Samir Amodi, who was shot in the head by a sniper in Gaza City’s harbor.}}}

And guess who’s side the AJC is on, employing their language of hate:

{{{WORLD IN BRIEF: Retaliatory Israeli attack kills 8 in Gaza, Urinal}}}

Kills 8 who?

Trying to imply that civilians were killed you filthy POS?

Not one freaking word does the AJC, scumbag “news” paper, spare for the Israelis wounded and killed by these savages launch rockets unprovoked into their homes.

AJC, GFY.

You c** knockers.

This should be an abject lesson for all to realize what side of the war on terror these wormy liberals are on, and why these sniveling Cowards want us to leave Iraq.

They want victory for Al Qaeda and death for the Jewish People’s.

As-sholes.