Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

May 18, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

Like a lot of others, I am reaching for the Vaseline jar now that the Congress and the President seem to have reached an accommodation for the corporatist and the liberal elements by arranging for the mass of illegal immigrants to be legitimized. We all knew it would just be a matter of time. The corporatists want the cheap, non-union, labor and the liberals want the future progressive voting block. It’s another Bush-Kennedy win-win proposition.

Thirty years ago, an economics teacher told me that the plan was to reduce the middle class to post World War I levels, keep the truly wealthy class small and manageable, develop a large, working poor, herd of docile beings to serve their masters, tolerate a marginal number of deadbeats on the dole, and maintain the worst of society in the prisons. I thought he was a fool. I don’t anymore.

Today, we have a diminishing middle class. While incomes sound higher, in actuality the buying power is decreasing. With the continued rise in oil prices, we see the hasty erosion of middle class wealth. Methinks, I smell the odor of inflation wafting on the breeze.

With the amnesty now afforded some 20 million…plus… illegal aliens, we will see their numbers increase…Georgie Bush isn’t going to patrol the borders, while drinking beer in a pick-up truck, when he returns to Crawford, Texas…and this vast herd of working poor will all worship at the Temple of Wal-Mart, gorge on fast-food, and count their blessings that they are not shoveling guano in Guadalajara.

It is a great life, if you don’t weaken.

On a note closer to home…Sonny Perdue provided us some of the best advice I have heard from a politician in years. To wit: * “until you get a better idea, keep your mouth shut.”*

My only response to Sonny is a portion of the biblical verse found in Luke 10:37 …Go, and do thou likewise.

By cranky old man

May 18, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

So patrolling the streets of a US city recovering from a natural disaster (plus man-made chaos) is an inappropriate mission for the NATIONAL Guard? But patrolling the streets of some bunghole third world country until we can install an acceptable dictatorship to replace the one we overthrew is a worthy endeavor?

As a side note, I was serving in Iraq with the 48th Brigade (GA Natl. Gd.) in 2005, and co-located with elements of the 256th Brigade (LA Natl. Gd.) Katrina hit New Orleans about 3 weeks prior to those guys wrapping up their tour and heading home. They were apparently given the option of remaining on active duty to help with the recovery, since many of them suddenly didn’t have civilian jobs to return to. But I suppose conservatives would consider that to be unacceptable WPA style make-work.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 18, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

“This is the most expensive public policy choice that I’ve seen in Washington in a quarter-century,” said Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. Many of these new Americans, Rector argues, would be be poor, less-educated and pay thousands per year less in taxes than what they would cost the government in services.

“Each immigrant who does not have a high school degree over his lifetime costs the taxpayer about $1.2 million, and that’s all the benefits his family would receive minus the taxes he pays in,” said Rector.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I’ll leave “New Orleans” commentary to those who are blessed with a real sense of humor, and save my dark sarcasm for a less deserving target.

More on tv news, you could pre-record either of two additional canned quotes: “I cannot believe it, he was always such a good boy,” and the closely-related, “I was always suspicious of that guy [but never bothered to say anything to anyone who could have prevented the problem.]” And don’t even talk about sports news clichés.

The DNA sample is no more intrusive than fingerprinting. Despite my defense orientation, DNA database matching bothers me much less than blood tests or police-conducted breathalyzers. If we ever get to the point where we can point a star-trek flashlight at a person to gather data, that would not constitute “compulsory testimony against personal interest” in my mind.

Thank goodness we have an effective flying monopoly here in Atlanta, so we can enforce the $7.50 slush fund assessment. Otherwise our pols would have to resort to old-fashioned graft.

I do not celebrate the death of any individual, but I always cheer the end for anyone who is a member of Hamas, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all of those other middle-east nutcase groups. Our military takes great lengths to avoid “collateral” deaths when they go after these killers, but maybe we ought to tolerate a greater level of inadvertent civilian deaths to increase the numbers we kill. Great essay in yesterday’s online journal, http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010080

Funny how words evolve – there was a time when “amnesty” had a positive ring. That is undoubtedly an appropriate term to describe the new immigration bill (which everyone on this blog knows I support) and the lily-livered proponents of the bill believe they have to distance themselves from the idea. Of course, Specter is a Republican moonbat, so maybe we ought not read too much into anything he does or says.

With all due respect, the Guv is not thinking clearly. We need to urge our moonbat friends to continue to speak, the more and the louder, the better for our chances in 2008. My fear is they will continue to do nothing in Congress and will continue to conduct a “keep it quiet” covert campaign, thus to deceive the American public.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 18, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

“This is the most expensive public policy choice that I’ve seen in Washington in a quarter-century,” said Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. Many of these new Americans, Rector argues, would be be poor, less-educated and pay thousands per year less in taxes than what they would cost the government in services.

“Each immigrant who does not have a high school degree over his lifetime costs the taxpayer about $1.2 million, and that’s all the benefits his family would receive minus the taxes he pays in,” said Rector.

By Lee

May 18, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Oh, the irony. The reason we have an illegal alien problem in the first place is that the federal government didn’t do their damn jobs. Their solution, just pass a law and make them legal. There, problem solved.

After the previous round of amnesty in 1986, people predicted that it would result in millions more flooding our country. That prediction has come true. This latest round will only encourage more border crossing.

The AJC offered up a puke-piece editorial this morning saying that amnesty made sense. Yeah, right.

What makes sense is to pull our troops out of Iraq and put them on the border. What makes sense is to fully fund the ICE and FORCE them to do their damn jobs. What makes sense is for our back stabbing, lying politicians to quit pandering to the illegal alien lobby and stand up for AMERICANS.

Keep your powder dry boys, it’s only a matter of time…..

By ron

May 18, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

By Eric

May 18, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

And the winner of the Dumbest Analogy of the Day? JIM WOOTEN!

“It’s time for Democrats to set a firm troop withdrawal deadline. Regardless. A deadline. Period. National Guard troops have been patrolling the streets of New Orleans since last June when five youths were killed in a single day. The police superintendent is now asking that they stay through the end of the summer. At some point, the locals will have to stand on their own. Oh, yes, it’ll be chaotic, but if they are asked to remain any longer, we’ll have to restart the draft.”

By jm

May 18, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

I wonder in New Orleans would be in as big a mess as it still is if the insurance companies had actually paid out claims to their policy holders. Can’t maintain those high profits (and executive bonuses) if they actually have to provide the services people were paying for.

By Jeff

May 18, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Lee:

I like Ron Paul’s ideas: pull every single piece of US military equipment back to within our borders and SECURE both borders and both coasts.

Hey, his Iraq voting record should appeal to more people than virtually any other candidate: He has NEVER voted for it. Not for the same reasons as the libs, but still….

By Pragmatist

May 18, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 18, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

“This is the most expensive public policy choice that I’ve seen in Washington in a quarter-century,” said Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. Many of these new Americans, Rector argues, would be be poor, less-educated and pay thousands per year less in taxes than what they would cost the government in services.

Funny that the GAO reports that immigrants are a $90,000,000,000 net GAIN to this economy Rick.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Now Eric @ 8:29, I disagree – I thought it was a pretty funny line. I wish I had that type of humor in me.

By Robert Cox

May 18, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Rick the Heritage Foundation is one of the most far right think tanks in America. They have their own agenda and worldview that promotes the white-anglo saxon vision that a very small percentage of Americans embrace today. But ideology aside Rick, get a text of Michael Chertoff’s comments yesterday and you will see very clearly that to fight this is futile. Chertoff’s statement is the hard reality. This is one that is going to happen.

By Lee

May 18, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Jeff, Ron Paul is one of the few politicians who actually get it. I’ve been keeping an eye on him for several years now and like what I see…

He’s probably one of the few politicians in Washington who has actually read the Constitution….

By RWH

May 18, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Not withstanding are the undue passage of the Immigration - Easy citizenship. We are already drain of many resources and illigal immigrants continue to work without paying taxes; labor or not, they are still being paid with U.S Monies which taxes are not taken but the their money goes back to families in Mexico. After the 12 Million gets citizenship, then the next waive arrive and will be granted the same. In fact, all of our Immigration Laws have been broken by the law-makers whom we elect into our Senate and Representative. We can no longer be charged the taxes that we pay and immigrants are not taxed; Amnesty is not the way, and no matter how you put it, we have broken our own laws and the immigration process will never work. Amnesty is not the way; we need to rid our country of the potential people who have pose threats and tryed to kill million of Americans. If you grant amnesty to illigal immigrants you have to give it to all who come from all countries. The Immigration Process must be enforced and it must be granted to proceed.

By Southern Democrat

May 18, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

I still have not heard a convincing argument nor seen reliable data explaining why conservatives despise immigrants so much. I recently found out that a relative on my Dad’s side came into this country illegally via Canada after fleeing Ireland during the potato famine. I certainly hope his body is not exhumed and deported.

The irony here is that conservatives are stuck between a rock and a hard place regarding our friends to the South: 1.) make good on our NAFTA promises, allow more manufacturing to occur in Mexico, allow Mexican trucks access to American highways, and raise the standard of living there to deincentivize emigration; or 2.) allow more Mexicans and other Hispanics access to our country and grant them citizenship to ensure their paying taxes and, most importantly, voting.

Republicans will live to regret their stances on this issue when the Permanent Majority that Orwellian Rove envisioned is a Democratic one that rides on the swelling tide of millions of angry middle class Hispanics.

Ask an economist what an industrialized nation should do when its population is aging and it is competing against developing countries.

You’re not upholding the rule of law when you condemn illegal immigration and propose no solution; you’re condoning racism.

By The Truth Hurts

May 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Southern state legislators can take action in several ways to assure the fiscal and budgetary integrity of their states. First, it is more important than ever to assure that state funds are spent as efficiently and effectively as possible. Whether it is modernizing procurement or demanding program accountability, states must assure taxpayers that revenues are spent wisely. A dollar wasted on the inefficient purchasing of pens is a dollar we could be spending on educating our children.

What fiscal conservative stated the above, demanding that states spend as efficiently and effectively as ever and demanding program accountablility? And assuring that revenues are spent wisely. Surely he is a hardcore, fiscal conservative republican, looking out after our money.

Wrong.

It’s Alan Essig, who Wooten accuses of “waxing on” about republicans. Thataboy Wooten, use that big ol’ wide brush to paint others in the phony way that you’re so good at doing.

By Pragmatic

May 18, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

By ron

May 18, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

When I was younger,I did all the jobs Americans didn’t want to do.I worked on a dairy,I cut wood,I picked potatoes,I raked blueberries,I did farm work.

Ron, you are comparing apples to oranges. Now is now. I have been a Plant Manager in 3 large industrial facilities that pay well and now am GM in the latest. It is a very clean but production intensive environment. Alot of my long time employees are American born and know little else. I cannot keep younger American workers. They just don’t want to do this kind of work. And like I’ve said before, this is a clean facility that in some cases pays in excess of 20.00 per hour. My Latinos work hard, they volunteer for extra hours and weekends, are not afraid of manual labor or getting dirty. So don’t even try the argument on me that there are no jobs that Americans won’t do. There are. When I see American workers knocking the doors down at my facility I will begin to believe that tired old propaganda. When I see Americans knocking the doors down at poultry plants, rendering plants, and applying to gut fish at the farmers market than I might believe it. Furthermore, most younger Americans want nothing to do with a job that doesn’t allow them to sit at a computer all day. That’s reality.

By Camus

May 18, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

jbm

If you envy Wooten’s pathetic jibe at New Orleans, you probably find Mallard Fillmore pure comedy gold. It certainly explains your own riotous satire.

Wooten, you’ve reached a new low. I cannot fathom a mind that finds such enjoyment in the wreckage of an American city and the suffering and struggle that has come in its wake.

You need to take a good look in the mirror, pal, and see what you’ve become. I’d suggest that you should be ashamed, but it seems you are beyond that.

Disgusting.

By Dennis

May 18, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

• “Have patience, America. The bad guys are falling one at a time, just as the nation was told initially. Joining Saddam Hussein, et al., this week is Mullah Dadullah, the Taliban’s top operational commander in Afghanistan. Victory is an option.”

How many dead American soldiers are we willing to pay to kill one terrorists in Afghanistan, or Iraq - who have no ships or planes or rockets to reach the U.S.?

• “Anticipating criticism, The Associated Press reports, U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) swears of the immigration agreement: “It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law.” A bill that instantly legalizes those who weren’t legal yesterday looks an awful lot like amnesty.”

You’re right, Mr. Wooten, it is “amnesty”. After all, corporations just gotta have cheap labor rather than pay Americans a living wage.

And don’t forget, just watch your two favorite boys, Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, hop on board and vote for the bill. They too, just like most of the rest of Congress, will sell out the country to get the Hispanic vote.

Legal, yes. Illegal, no.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Poor Camus @ 9:17, so bitter. Perhaps you need to divest yourself of some of your socialist joy and join us on the dark, but happy, side.

Dear Southern @ 9:03, I would respectfully ask that you note that not all conservatives – me, for example – dislike immigrants or oppose the amnesty. My basis perhaps differs from yours (my sense is that the law is debased by cattle-like quotas on international flows of people) but I am not the only conservative or Republican-type with my view. My best guess is that I am outnumbered 2-1 in my party, but I never felt my voice was forbidden, or even discouraged. My side lost the internal fight on the subject, but the Republican party, by design, is open to differing vies. (In contrast, one cannot be a Democrat and pro-life!) Have a great day!

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat you nailed it with your 9:03. And yes they will regret it. They can salvage alot of Hispanic support and votes with the passage of this bill. It also appears to me that there is a full scale assault about to be mounted on the right wing obstructionists. First Guliani, now Michael Chertoff who in no uncertain terms looked right into the cameras and stated “there those in this country that want nothing short of capital punishment for these people”. Then he very decisively stated. “They are not going to be deported. They are not going anywhere”. So now we will see Southern Democrat. If we start seeing diehard Bush loyalists throwing him under the bus on this, you can be certain that racism, ethnocentrism, nativism, is the driving force. In closing, I would really like to say, GWB, YOU GO BOY!!!

By Jack

May 18, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Why did our esteemed Mayor go to the city with th most corrupt police dept. in the U.S. to bring their Police Chief to the other chocolate city of Atlanta? We should have expected little old ladies getting shot and drugs planted in their houses. Two people who need to be booted out of the city are Chief Pennington and Sheriff Myron Freeman. Neither have any business working for this city.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Poor Dennis @ 9:20 – “kill … terrorists in Afghanistan, or Iraq - who have no ships or planes or rockets to reach the U.S.” – 9/11 was merely an illusion, an insidious trick by the evil Bushies? What causes that disconnect in you guys?

By Redneck Convert

May 18, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m as mad as I was when the guy got off from the death penalty. Now they are going to let the Mexicans get legal and take our jobs and move in to our houses and marry our women. Next thing you know they will be driving the beer trucks and good Christians like me will be shoveling No. 2 out of the chicken houses. Then they will take over the voting and electing libruls and commies to all the big offices in the nation.

What we ought to be doing is lining them all up, kids and all, and marching them right to the border, like we done the Cherokees.

The only brite side of it all is the employers don’t have to put up with union people no more. They can just fire all the union people and hire the Mexicans right out in the open. Anyway, I’m getting ready to get the missus used to Mexican food because that is all us good white rednecks will be able to afford after they take our jobs. No more Ryans. Plenty of trips to Joses.

I see they done pushed that Wolf guy out of the World Bank. You just can’t keep good conservatives in a job no more. Now they are after Gonzales because he pulled a Newt and went to the sickbed of the AG to get a spy program all legal. The only thing good about it is at least Gonzales is a Mexican and at least one Mexican will be fired while about 20 million others get hired.

Well, I guess Markus is driving that truck home and getting ready to cuss and spit here. So I’ll sign off for the weekend. I hope TFTT is over his meth binge yesterday and will be able to fill in. Me and him think just alike. Only he puts it in big words and pertends we are diffrent. He’s still a Ornery Redneck, even if he throwed it in our face and turned down the PBR we were going to buy him up at Billy Bob’s.

By WFC

May 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

HOW TO WIN THE WAR ON TERROR: this isn’t a “quick fix.” It will take about ten years but it WILL work.

By Jack

May 18, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Yeah. The locals should stand alone. After the hurricane, the gallant police force of New Orleans went from door to door confiscating guns from law abiding citizens while the lawless were free to rape, pillage and plunder with impunity since the cops were too busy harassing the law abiding folks who just wanted a way to protect themselves. God help us if a natural disater ever hits Atlanta. The “have nots” would be coming after the “haves” in droves. The government will get my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

The $5000.00 fine eliminates the amnesty argument.

By holdingAJCaccountable

May 18, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

“Have patience, America. The bad guys are falling one at a time…” Sorry Jim, that dog won’t hunt. Makes as much sense as saying “We just got Manuel Noriega; victory in the War on Drugs is right around the corner.”

By Jack

May 18, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

“They didn’t tell you? The government of Panama has appropriated your funds.”

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Thank goodness we have good and honorable men like John Murtha standing up for their right to conceal their wasteful spending from the public, even if it means threatening other Congressmen. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4068.html

Dear WFC @ 9:45, interesting argument. I still say 50 years, but your thesis is internally sound. The devil would be in obtaining the intelligence – I don’t think that hasn’t been tried (sorry for my limp-wristed, double negative writing,) but there are a lot of decent Americans who don’t want to grant the administration a broad wiretap authority. The NY Times exposed the highly effective SWIFT monitoring, merely to defeat our intelligence efforts, not that we question their patriotism, so it would require a change in attitude here also.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Dear Southern @ 9:03, I would respectfully ask that you note that not all conservatives – me, for example – dislike immigrants

jbmlaw, you are right. The word “conservative” has been hijacked and prostituted so badly by the republican right wing that now a blanket gets thrown over everyone in the party. Most republicans are moderate and would like nothing more than to see the right wing just go away. Because of them and their constantly throwing around the word conservative now all republicans get painted with the same brush. And there is absolutely nothing “conservative” about the right wing. They are radicals. But until they are purged or put in their proper place by the leadership of the party and other mainstream true conservatives we will all be lumped in with them and their ilk. It is tragic that they have been allowed to get so out of control to the point that the party is fighting for it’s life. They may want the country to once again look like 50s and 60s Alabama, but don’t lay that on the rest of us.

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

I cheerily admit it now! BUSH IS A SICK JOKE!! He has failed true conservatives and real Americans on virtually all issues.

We all know the despicable gutless hate America liberal pu$$ies in the senate are the worst kind of scum. But for Bush to have the unmitigated gall to stand there without his usual witless smirk and glibly tell us real Americans that allowing “in” around 20 million mostly at best only semi-literate, overwhelmingly non-English speaking illegal freeloaders and their immediate mostly backward, equally poorly educated family is the only way forward is his final political death sentence.

BUsh should actually go and live where ordinary Americans do with illegals running wild - with 10 or more to single small house and all the hassle and crime etc that brings. Bush should go and see a few schools in several different states over run by illegals and see how badly real US kids are affected by this invasion.

At least 60% of the current illegal infestation has no proper education, which means they are the most ignorant and therefore tax payer dependant of the freeloaders. The illegals’ ever increasing crime stats, the horrendous social costs, health costs, education costs, actual tax payers costs - which I heard yesterday are a ‘net’ $19,000 a year per US tax payer per illegal and the disgusting swamping of so many areas by illegals are just some of the more obvious elements of the massive problem. The unintended consequences of this will locally/regionally ruin if not destroy many parts of America.

Yesterday I finally removed the Bush-Cheney signs from my vehicles. I still of course vociferously support the liberation of Iraq and the wider, noble war on towel head terror, as badly handled as it has been. Any GA GOP politico that votes for this abortion of an immigration bill will NEVER get my vote again, nor my wife’s vote. Several of my neighbour’s and folks I know feel the same way. The anger about this is deep and visceral. A small, rather insignifcant gesture perhaps but an honest one.

Legal immigrants like me who play and pay by the often goose stepping INS rules have unsurprisingly been kicked in the teeth by GOP corporate pandering scum and the usual cut and run leftist pandering filth. Every legal immigrant who has gone through or is going through the INS paper chase I know and those my wife works with - several thousand by now - feels exactly the same, all colours and creeds, including Indians, Pakis, AfriKans, South Americans, Euros, Brits et al.

All the racebaiting pandering of the leftist liars and enablres changes NOTHING. Illegal is Illegal. Picking and choosing which laws to enforce is the sign of a dicktatorship.

And the leftist scum on here, or anywhere still have NO answer for the fact that the hypocritical fooking Mexicans aggressively deport ALL illegals in their corrupt backward country but yet screech and screech about imagined gringo racism here.

Of course this is by no means a signed and sealed deal yet. A GOP president with a GOP senate and/or house in 08 can shred this evil ruinous bollocks and just focus on enforcement.

THIS IS AMNESTY - and the GOP moderate lies from the likes of Arlen Sphincter fool no one!!

By JP

May 18, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Wooten, you obnoxious a$$. Hasn’t the Bush administration ignored New Orleans enough already? How dare you and your pompous rightie friends imply that we should abandon a DOMESTIC AMERICAN city while mindlessly droning on in a FOREIGN OCCUPATION. Do you even recognize how twisted and absurd that sounds???

By Don Corleone

May 18, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Andy/Luckodull, you are no more an immigrant than my dog is. You need serious help. But instead of giving us another one of your uneducated diatribes, why don’t you tell us what a true conservative and a real American is you little simpleton.

By harold

May 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

everbody watch out for Rudi Juliani!

the wacko christians are “distancing themselves” so he has a chance to win

if he gets into office suddlly they will be tight as bugs again and the wacko rigth loonatics will still be in office damaging this country and the world beyond repair

stay away from juliani and the rest of the right dirtbags1

By Curious Observer

May 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

I love to see the right-wingers hoist on their own petard. They loved it when they could supplant American workers by hiring illegals at sub-minimum wage. But lo and behold! One day we all look around and see some 20 million illegals among us, all willing to take those jobs. And ignoring the problem was no longer an option.

The corporatists and small businesses would have been perfectly content to keep the situation as it is. But they came to the conclusion that paying at least minimum wages would be better than doing without the workers or paying prevailing wages. And now the xenophobes on the Right find themselves facing a divorce from their employer brothers. The employers will find themselves forced to pay at least minimum legal wages, while the slothful rednecks will be faced with competing with the harder-working illegals-now-legals for the same jobs.

And the most delicious part is that practically all those illegals who become citizens will vote for left-wing candidates who are diametrically opposed to the interests of the Right.

Ah, what a tangled web we weave! Conservatives, you played games with the law in order to enrich yourselves at the expense of the middle class and legal workers. You cried crocodile tears about the infestation of illegal immigrants, all the while lining your pockets by hiring them. And now your little game is coming to a totally undesirable end. You find yourselves the victims of an unholy alliance between the corporatists and the liberals. Learn to live with it and with leftist governments in perpetuity.

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

@ greaseball coreleone

who the hell is this ‘Andy’ you illegal criminal parasite loving leftist pimps keep obsessively puking up over?

Mexican type illegal criminality and dependancy is beyond epidemic levels in many places. Try living in certain parts of Los Angeles and see how great life is there. ALL the stats prove this. Obviously other illegals have a negative impact too but nothing like on the same gargantuan scale. And yet leftist scum like you refuse to even address it!!

Tell you what tw at face - nip down to AZ or TX and tell white landowners, black and white school kids and black and white business owners … or pop up to Long Island where countless illegals are living 10 or more to a small house in neighbourhoods and tell the folks whose lives are being ruined that the illegal infestation - NOW OVER 10% OF THE ENTIRE MEXICAN POP IS A COOL THING!!

arsewipe!!!

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

harold

please stay away from relatively unpolluted oxygen/air for an hour or two please!!

By harold

May 18, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

hey, hey, who actually reads what the wooster writes anymore? does everybody just hit ‘comments’ and start posting and reading what other people posted?

so about them illegals, if you broke a law once but it gave you a permanent outlaw status waht would you do? if you drive a car you sped once. does that make you permanetnly an illegal speeder? why should breaking one immigration law once make you permanently illegal? harold says if the paperworks shufflers arent shuffling fast enoughh to accommodate the immigrants, thats a paperowrk problem. dont declare the immigrants as Illegal Forever because of incompetent immmgiration authorities. if Reagan Bush Clinton Gweorge W Bush left hte back door open, well whose fault is that? Reagan Bush Clienton gweorge w bushes, that’s who. expel them from the USA not the Mexicans. it just aint the Mexicanses fault, man. We will all be doing the same trying to get into Canadia in another 10 years if the USA reamins on its present course

how are the fat ladies today knucklehead? heh heh . just giving you sheet, my man.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Dear Amelia @ 10:11, the biggest political issue for me on the immigration stuff is the one you have cited repeatedly - that my conservative brothers are so short-sighted on the subject. (And I know you are not a republican - that does not disqualify the integrity of your argument.)

Even if I did not have a deeply-felt ethical/moral argument on the matter, the cost/benefit on the matter would seem to be a no-brainer for my side. This kerfuffle is all about Mexicans – hard-working, church-going, first to sign up for the military, people who in my prejudiced view are obvious candidates for Republicanism – and I simply cannot understand why we are not battling to get more of these people here. Teach ‘em how to speak English, and put ‘em to work. In a generation we’ll have 50 million new rich Republicans with a gentle lilt in their speech.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer, actually the only group that I have seen worrying about or “crying big crocodile tears” at all are those of the bigot, racist, xenophobe, nativist, persuasion. And if you look back, you will see that a handful of politicians thought they saw some political gain from the above form of lowlifes and actively solicited them by spewing the type of nativist, xenophobic bile that got their racist hackles up. That worked for these pols short term but has now blown up in their faces like a cheap firecracker. These same politicians are now dead politically. They woke a sleeping giant and now the gunsights are on them. They won’t be around much longer. They have reaped what they have sown. And so have their followers.

By melo

May 18, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Talking of the BAD GUYS, we have more than one falling this week. That terrorist Dadullah(or whatever) and the PIMP:http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/17/world.bank.wolfowitz/index.htmlWorld Bank’s Wolfowitz agrees to quit!!!

Way to go JIM!! And the thought that this illegal immigrant is going to be legal, halleluah!!! Thank you Mr Kennedy!!

By Southern Democrat

May 18, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Jbmlaw, your pro-life analogy is apt, and one I have found discouraging. Not to get too far afield here, but as I stated once a while back, I am encouraged by the prominece of Reid & Casey within the Democratic Party to show that credible pro-lifers can still succeed. Again, I think abortion is an issue to be left to the states… it is pretty clear which states will maintain its legality and which will not. Further, I hate, hate, hate, how this issue has hijacked the feminist movement. While abortion is certainly an important issue, the equality of women will not be realized if NOW and other feminist organizations continue to let it dominate their agendas.

Regarding immigration, this could, ironically, be the lasting, positive legacy that President Bush so clearly yearns to leave and could engender goodwill to a party by a large constituency not seen since Rooseveltian Southern Democrats. I don’t care who politically benefits, I just want this non-issue that has allowed Lou Dobbs a bully pulpit dealt with responsibly. Further, I am sick and tired of hearing about the need to close our border with Mexico for security (a la Zimmerman telegram) while our ports are still woefully unprotected and the Thousands Standing Around agency continues to allow knives and other instruments to slip past security while telling me that my deodorant must be thrown out. My favorite recent TSA story is when a supervisor at the Tallahassee airport inspected my 3 Cadbury creme eggs I was taking in my carry-on bag to place in my godson’s Easter basket.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

jbm, you have also nailed it except for one thing. I am a Republican. A Latina Republican from east Cobb County that has my own business to run and an advanced university degree. I am also an activist for the immigrant community and have worked with a group that has traveled to Washington D.C. on several occassions to meet with several senators to include Senator McCain, Kennedy, and Isackson. I also have a heart and try to do what I feel is right and this bill is right. So maybe I am a “compassionate” Republican. Anything wrong with that? Maybe the republican party needs a few more of that category instead of the screeching right wingers who are like the consistenly squeeky wheel. It’s time for mainstream Republicans to start demanding that we get the grease. And I think that maybe that day has finally come.

By harold

May 18, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

it is time to arrest and imprision all the religious freaks in this country!

Talibans, Baptist Bomb Planters, whoever!

Line them up and stick them in jails forever before they destroy Amerikca

They are who endagers AMericka

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

The dishonesty and distortions of amelia’s earlier hysterical xenophobic bollocks is hugely amusing.

ITS ILLEGALS that are the problem!! NOT legal hispanics, or any other colours/creeds. ALL naturalized citizens I know deeply resent the freeloading and amnesty that illegals are being given. Legal immigrants have to sign INS forms stating that they will NOT take any kind of taxpayer/welfare type funded benefits. If the legal immigrant takes such benefits they legally forfeit the right to have their case approved. That’s why a legal immigrant’s spouse has to sign an affidavit of support, which is means tested - although in reality its not much of an actual means test.

Yet countless illegal mexican types queue up in walmart and elsewhere with their food stamps etc - climbing into often large shiny news cars/suvs outside, getting free medical ER treatment everyone else has to pay for - and on and on and on.

MOst south americans, who usually speak pretty good English, I know/have met despise mexicans - they consider them backward, coarse and uneducated. There are notable racial tensions between hispanics below the surface!

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Dear Southern @ 11:04, what a brilliant post – funny and, as always from you, astute.

Dear Amelia @ 11:04, I am embarrassed by my slander, and I apologize profusely. Although I admit to routinely being a screeching right-winger, I am proud to share your broader world view.

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

as global whining and the mental disease of liberalism are - along with mohammedanism and christianity - irrational dogmatic religions then the sad wankers who subscribe to global whining and the sickness of liberalism should also be imprisoned!!

By melo

May 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Yet countless illegal mexican types queue up in walmart and elsewhere with their food stamps etc - climbing into often large shiny news cars/suvs outside, getting free medical ER treatment everyone else has to pay for - and on and on and on-Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

With this bill, these people on welfare will be able to go to schol and access loans and federal student aid, like i did. That will improve their lives and remove them from welfare. A huge fuscal relief!!!!

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

So, Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now, if all that is true, how can the GAO report a net gain to the economy of $90,000,000,000 per yer? You must get your info from Vdare.com.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Melo, the latinos that I see in Walmart pay in cash. But I do see alot of what appears to be native born Americans paying exactly as you say. Check the facts Melo. You will find that there are far more native born Georgians and Americans on government assitance than there are Hispanics. Check it out.

By melo

May 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

@Amelia,Melo, the latinos that I see in Walmart pay in cash

That wasn’nt me who said that. Some rabid racist by the name’Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now’, said that. I have nothing against Mexican illegals, let alone all illegals!! I am an immigrant too with an American MBA, so i share most of your sentiments about illegals.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Thank you jbmlaw. I just want the party to return to being associated with civility and one that can accomodate the diversity that has become the American mainstream. Because as much as some on the fringes of our party would like it to be so, we aren’t going backward to 50s and 60s Birmingham. Jim Crow will not return.

By TrueAmerican

May 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

What really gets me is here in georgia we have a person going to jail for wanting a better education for her kids. now the government wants to put her in jail…

What about all the illegals who have lied and don’t even belong here in the first place.

They are illegal ..if this lady goes to jail we need to file a law suit against that county for doing this. because they have illegals go to schools in this county…so they are at fault also…and should go to jail..

By TrueAmerican

May 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

What really gets me is here in georgia we have a person going to jail for wanting a better education for her kids. now the government wants to put her in jail…

What about all the illegals who have lied and don’t even belong here in the first place.

They are illegal ..if this lady goes to jail we need to file a law suit against that county for doing this. because they have illegals going to schools in this county…so they are at fault also…and should go to jail..

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Sorry bout that Melo. My apologies.

By TrueAmerican

May 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

What really gets me is here in georgia we have a person going to jail for wanting a better education for her kids. now the government wants to put her in jail…

What about all the illegals who have lied and don’t even belong here in the first place.

They are illegal ..if this lady goes to jail we need to file a law suit against that county for doing this. because they have illegals going to schools in this county…so they are at fault also…and should go to jail..

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

amelia

there are numerous financial stats that show at state and fed level that illegals are a huge economic drain. just go and look at any immigration .org website that is critical of illegals - you’ll see the facts there.

Kalifornia has almost been bankrupted by illegals because of insane entitlements and free loading plus housing illegal criminals, welfare fraud, healthcare fraud etc.

Nationally $19,000 pa PER TAXPAYER net cost is the figure I heard yesterday per illegal - given that illegals’ money sent home is the SECOND biggest ‘take’ in the huge oil rich mexican economy this is obviously bollocks!!! as so much of their mostly UNTAXED money is sent home it hardly benefits the US economy.

add up the costs of educating illegals, healthcare of illegals, the unpaid taxes of illegals, the ever increasing criminality of illegals, the massive uninsured on the roads cost of illegals, the welfare payments leeched by illegals and on and on … and this doesn’t even take into account the huge social costs - the damage to land and farmers etc on the border - this partial list just scratches the surface. your blind dishonesty is fooking hilarious!!!

besides it isn’t just about money - ITS ABOUT LAWS AND SOVEREIGNTY and the swamping of so many parts of the USA by illegals!!

FUNNY HOW YOU COMPLETELY and smugly continue to IGNORE ALL THESE POINTS!!!

By Dennis

May 18, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

By jbmlaw May 18, 2007 9:35 AM “Poor Dennis @ 9:20 – “kill … terrorists in Afghanistan, or Iraq - who have no ships or planes or rockets to reach the U.S.” – 9/11 was merely an illusion, an insidious trick by the evil Bushies? What causes that disconnect in you guys?”

As I said before, if I should ever need to go to court and you are representing the other guy, I’ll represent myself and win the case.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Since our mindset now is that if we can’t stop it, make it legal,lets do the same with drugs. Or better yet lets reward criminals.

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

@ waterMELOnhead

“rabid racist”

HA HA HA HA - you’re too freaking funnydickHead!!!

carry on blindly and dishonestly IGNORING the legitimate, overwhelming arguments against illegals … sad lying tw ats like you are just there to be laughed and sneered at!!!

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

What is a true American, True American? I have always wanted one of you guys to define that for me.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now, actually even if your figures are correct, I really am not bothered by that. The GAO net gain figure of $90,000,000,000 more than offsets all of that. I am actually more concerned with the human issues involved than I am with the money issue. So basically I guess my answer to you is that I don’t give a tinker’s damn that a bunch of racist bigoted xenophobic nativists, that if truth be known, get tax dollars refunded to them every year and maybe even get an EIC are bent out of shape over it to begin with. Because if they were being truthful it is not about the money with them either. It is all about race and their hysterical fear of anything that isn’t white. Dealing with that is their problem, not mine. Se si puede!

By True Viagraman

May 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

I read a recent study that a majority of people who are express angr with illegal immigrants are really just venting their rage against the illegals because they are angry at being sexually disfuntional.

By melo

May 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Nationally $19,000 pa PER TAXPAYER net cost is the figure I heard yesterday per illegal - given that illegals’ money sent home is the SECOND biggest ‘take’ in the huge oil rich mexican economy this is obviously bollocks!!! as so much of their mostly UNTAXED money is sent home it hardly benefits the US economy.

I WAS ON FOXnOISE’s Oreily last night, just like urself. Fortunately for me, i don’t hear and come on here to regudgitate the ‘facts’, i check them first. Why dont u do that and check that $19000.00 a year stat etc, before we can have a meaningful debate about immigration. Or u can continue with ur masturbation and meth snorting, waiting for ur mommy to come home!!

By Jody Redding

May 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

It was great to see you at Mrs. Eunice’s reception in Tifton. She is a special lady.

As promised, I have included my contact info below.

Thanks for everything you do for us at the AJC and I hope our paths cross again soon.

Jody Redding,

Office of Senator Johnny Isakson

ABAC 44 2802 Moore Hwy Tifton, Georgia 31793

229-386-8191 office 229-322-2274 cell

By RCH

May 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

* Amelia* I am speaking for myself.We need these workers. That is a fact. To me it is how they come here.Illegal immigrants come from many different countries. The second largest growing minority behind Hispanics are Asians. Many whites come from the Ex-Soviet Union and bloc nations.If they are illegal that is what they are.Maybe your definition of racism doesn’t match mine. If you believe your race is superior( and you are white) and illegals from Romania ( who are also white) are the ones you want deported,how can you be racist?

By Jody Redding

May 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

It was great to see you at Mrs. Eunice’s reception in Tifton. She is a special lady.

As promised, I have included my contact info below.

Thanks for everything you do for us at the AJC and I hope our paths cross again soon.

Jody Redding,

Office of Senator Johnny Isakson

ABAC 44 2802 Moore Hwy Tifton, Georgia 31793

229-386-8191 office 229-322-2274 cell

By Don Corleone

May 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

@ waterMELOnhead

“rabid racist”

HA HA HA HA - you’re too freaking funnydickHead!!!

carry on blindly and dishonestly IGNORING the legitimate, overwhelming arguments against illegals … sad lying tw ats like you are just there to be laughed and sneered at!!!

Somebody needs to seriously slap you around a little bit. And then turn your sorry a3s over to MS13. They could have a lot of fun with a little sissy boy like you. What a punk.

By Arnold

May 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Don Corleone, that is just Luckodull over here shi%ting his diapers. Ignore him. He’s so far out there that the space shuttle can’t bring his dysfunctional azz back. He’s a waste of time.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

RCH, you have touched on something that maybe needs to be addressed regarding the European illegals. If every single illegal here in this country were lily white, would it even be an issue to many of these rabid antis? So much of this bile seems to be targeted at the Latinos. I really believe that if there were not a color difference the racists that have jumped on this issue wouldn’t even have it on their radar screen.

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

you sad snottyracistbitch, as expected you simply greasily defend illegal mexican types emotively and racially, UTTERLY IGNORING the huge, growing criminal, economic and social costs these uneducated, coarse, illegal parasites and leeches are imposing.

TELL US ABOUT MEXICO’S INTOLERANCE OF ALL ILLEGALS LOVEY … tell us its NOT vile hypocrisy to deport and maltreat (OVERWHELMINGLY) fellow hispanics yet screech endlessly about “gringo racism” , or the USA’s right to build a fence - rather like the very well guarded by mexican military types southern mexico border and then tell us about how the illegal mexicans are given billions and billions every year AT THE EXPENSE OF REAL, ACTUAL US CITIZENS - of whatever colour or creed!!!

If a white American killed a mexican or two in a DUI homicide there would be national outrage in mexico!! the mexicans are even pathetically trying to jail that US bounty hunter who grabbed up an evil convicted US rapist/murderer hiding in your backward corrupt country!!!

Funny how in the USA there is NO radio station called La Raza - The Race!!! Imagine the mexican type screeching if there was a “white station” called that - continuously sneering at mexican types. It certainly wouldn’t be possible in RACIST US HATING MEXICO!

you glibly and despicably talk of “human issues” - what about the human isues of the every growing numbers of illegal mexican type thugs who rob/kill/rape/cheat US citizens everyday. Funny how there are NO massive white gangs doing this in mexico!!!

US folks are not - by the millions - stealing SS#’s of mexican citizens, or driving very badly on your roads with NO insurance or licences!!

you are blinded by anti-white hate and bigotry … you blindly, utterly and oilily ignore ALL the facts …

sickdishonestracistbitcheslike you make me sick to my stomach!!!

I am a LEGAL immigrant - I went through the INS grinder - I have every right to be here … scum like you who gleefully want illegals to ignore immigration law and racially sneer at those who ACTUALLY do follow the laws of the need to fookoffhome!!!

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

@ waterMELOnhead

you pathetic little queer pu$$y - to quote an American slang term. scummy little effete cowardly wankers like you need to be forcibly kicked out of this country, filth like you simply dont belong here!!

now make sure your obese syphilis ridden mommy has her mattress tied to her puss filled back before you jump on her again!!

see watermelonhead - if one simply mirrors back your pathetic abusive bollocks the actual facts/debate about the appalling illegal infestation gets lost in the knuckle dragging, ebonics puking shuffle!!

now go lick a razor blade you third world dogturd!!!

(see I can be beastly and horrid too).

By RCH

May 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Amelia Remember the great influx of Irish and Italians. They were both not wanted and they look pretty white to me. I wounder if the hostility toward the Hispanic immigrant rests on these two facts; 1) They do not intend to stay here and only send money back to their native country in the process draining the resources of the USA and 2)They do not want to melt into the ” Great American melting pot”wanting a seperate culture or even believing that large portions of territories where stolen from Mexico and should now revert back to them. Your thoughts?

By harold

May 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

white supremacy is for people who have never heard of asia

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

my apologies watermelonhead

about half of that past classic post was meant for the deranged coward, the greaseball corleone!!

spend a split second working out which half - eh?

the fact remains that the lefties and oily illegal apologists on here simply cannot honestly address the overwhelming facts/logic for immediately or at least swiftly beginning the deportation of all illegals - except for a few genuine refugees who would be persecuted back home - but not in mexico.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

“What we need to realize is that the infamous “Bush bubble,” the administration’s no-reality zone, extends a long way beyond the White House. Millions of Americans believe that patriotic torturers are keeping us safe, that there’s a vast Islamic axis of evil, that victory in Iraq is just around the corner, that Bush appointees are doing a heckuva job — and that news reports contradicting these beliefs reflect liberal media bias.”

The base † and I thought they were paid trolls but they actually believe this bs.

Amazing.

Of course, these are the same gullible believers who believe in televangelists who can touch you and cure your cancer.

They send thousands to email scamers in Nigeria.

They believe God spoke to w and told him to genocide.

They believe in the rapture.

In other words, you will never get these believers to see reality.

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

harold - no one here is in any way advocating “white supremacy” that is simply the evil lying sickness of liberalism puking up its hate yet again.

being legal - of any colour/creed is what the law says!!!

they’ve lost the moral/factual argument - so they puke up this age old bollocks … absolutely pathetic!!

By JK

May 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Awww… I really like Senator Isakson’s people! They answer my letters, and are always so polite and eloquent when they explain to me that they don’t give a F@&K what I think, and that my opinion (since it does not come with a big fat check or bribe of some sort attached) as an average working citizen of Georgia means less than zippo, because the Senator apparently does NOT actually work for or owe allegiance to the people he allegedly represents, but rather the fraternity.. er, I mean, the Republican party, of which he hopes to become Rush chairman next year. Chambliss’s people are not nearly as polite when they explain that my concept of a representative republic is totally laughable.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Dear Harold @ 10:46, my belated compliments on a good argument, or at least one I share, on the “paperwork shufflers.” You have the core of a solid economic argument there.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

In some cases that is true RCH. But across the board, given the opportunity to come out of the shadows, most of these people will assimilate. There is nothing for them back in Mexico. Of course they will still hold onto aspects of their culture. And they are willing to share that culture and accept other cultures if given the opportunity. My “gringo” husband loves the festivals and celebrations and is welcomed by the Mexicans as are all others that want to share in it with them. That is no threat to all of these bigots that run around talking about the destruction of the American culture. They can’t even define what the “American culture” is in any detail. They just know they don’t like what is different. And you will not find many Mexicans that are into the stolen land thing. The ones that are, are no different than the numerous fringe groups that latch onto lunatic issues and causes. I am here legally and if you read some of my discourse with jbmlaw you will know my background. I send money every month to my 78 year old mother in Mexico. I am her support. She is my mother. So what is wrong with that. Would you not support your mother because she was in another country? Legitimize these people and they will prove their value. With their work ethic, their sense of family, their religious faith, and the desire to contribute, what is the problem. Legitimize them and all of these things that the rabid race baiters use as “evidence” will for the most part go away. And nobody has ever been able to validate that drain on resources thing either. It is very easy to cherry pick data to suit agendas. Abusiness can lose money on widgets but make lots of money on super widgets and the result is net gain. The “drain” on services that the race baiters claim by any economic standard is more than made up for by their consumer spending. And that can be validated by the GAO. So. There we are. I am glad that you are willing to civily discuss this issue with me.

By Arnold

May 18, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

By Arnold

May 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Don Corleone, that is just Luckodull over here shi%ting his diapers. Ignore him. He’s so far out there that the space shuttle can’t bring his dysfunctional azz back. He’s a waste of time.

Give it up Luckosh*t/Andy or whatever your name is. Nobody cares what you say anymore. It amounts to nothing more than chronic diareah of the mouth. Nothing emits from you that doesn’t stink like pig swill. So go tell it at your next klan meeting. You might get someone there to listen.

By Andrew

May 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten…I don’t believe it’s New Orleans that’s depleting our troop force. 3,000 Soldiers haven’t lost their lives there, as far as I know? What do you suggest we do? Taking troops away from providing help in New Orleans and sending them over to Iraq? I cannot believe you would think we need a “deadline” to get the National Guard out of New Orleans, but not one to get out of Iraq.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Amelia Please do send your mother money, So do I. What I meant to say is money earned here by illegal alliens,who pay no taxes but use all our services and then send money out of the country which should have been spent here; to build a nest egg which they will go back to. As to people in the shadows. They broke the law. No matter how trival it seems, that is wrong. I am for the opportunity for them to go back to their home countries and apply for a visa, research their background in the U.S. and then swiftly allow them back into the USA.Look at the poor mother who enrolled her child in the wrong school district because she wanted them to go to a better school! I feel for her but it is a crime punishable by 9 years in jail. Just because we don’t agree with a law that does not give us the right to break it,or when we get caught to say it isn’t fair.If that was the case I would have no speeding tickets. LOL!!

By Deport the traitor Bush and senate scum now

May 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Nobody cares what you say anymore.

evidently you do dogturdbrain, otherwise you wouldn’t be endlessly and abusively posting about how “nobody cares” about ‘lil ol factual/logical me’ under numerous cretinous ids.

BYW - one undeniable truth for ya …

the KKK are racist scum and just as depised as all you bigoted/racist leftist liberals!!!

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

RCH, your points are valid. But the reality of the situation dictates what course of action to take. To all of the folks that keep beating that resource drum, just think about the cost of deporting 12 to 20 million people to 30 or 40 different countries of origin. It is just not practical. Let them pay the $5000.00 fine. What is 12,000,000 X $5000.00. And the $5000.00 won’t be easy for some. Legitimize them and they can pay their taxes. How can you pay taxes when you technically don’t exist. The ones that work for legitimate businesses do pay taxes. The ones that have businesses pay taxes. When they are legal they can buy insurance, have a drivers license. There are practicalities involved here. All of the things that the antis rail against goes away if this bill passes.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

* Amelia* Most of the illegal aliens come here for one reason. Economic.Take that away and so will they. If they are unable to get jobs, housing, medical care, education,etc, they will leave on there own accord. I am sure many law abiding aliens will then register to come here and I will greet them with open arms. This sounds harsh but sometimes this is the price we have to pay as a nation.Also many of these 12 million cannot afford the 5,000 fine . What do you do with them.And what do you do with the next illegal that comes here. When does it stop.Thats why we have laws that need to be respected. You mentioned your mother. Mine came from Germany,married an American and had to go through medical test, education, classes ( to speak English), etc. to become a citizen. She is proud to be an American. Shouldn’t becomming an American citizen be worth and mean something? Something that is earned not stolen?

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

RCH, I understand the logic, but I can tell you for a fact that you will not see mass migration back under any circumstances. That is reality. And I am dealing with those issues in my work evry single day. It just won’t happen. It would just create more problems on top of the problems that presently exist. RCH I don’t have all the answers of course. But I do know some of the obvious things that will not happen. As for coming here for economic reasons, isn’t that the reason that we all seek work. And I for one truly believe that the Mexican government should be pressured to improve things so that Mexicans can stay in Mexico and earn a living.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Amelia Maybe not mass but many of them. That would give us breathing room to work with the ones that are here,send them back to heir home countries and do our investigation of them very quickly and allow them back to become US citizens. They will be good citizens and be proud to be that.If they have lived here for years this will be easy to document using fingerprints, work references, etc. As for Mexico, that will not happen as long as the cash stream continues and their govt. can push the burden of the social services of these individuals on us. Try to cross into Mexico from the south and see what happens to you.

By ATC

May 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

“Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

Romans 12:21

By Dana Suffes

May 18, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

One simple statement. We cannot enforce our current laws or have the facilities to prosecute and punish those who break them, why create more laws that are just as worthless.

By Southern Democrat

May 18, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Amelia,

For the record, I wholeheartedly adopt and endorse everything you have written and wish that I could’ve said it as eloquently as you.

RCH,

While I understand (sort of) your repeated assertion that illegal immigrants are law-breakers and should have to “go through the process,” I respectfully disagree with your conclusion as it applies to Mexicans and other Latin Americans.

The system as it is set up is, simply put, racist.

Your mother came from Germany and “earned” her citizenship by marrying an American. How would that be different from a Mexican entering on a tourist visa and establishing a sham marriage with an American citizen? Further, by being a Western European, she was entitled to preferential visas and processing or, if she was from East Germany, could claim asylum.

The current (and proposed) laws allow a minute number of immigrants from Latin countries to legally immigrate. Preference is given, worldwide, to those with specialized skills. Now, if your family is living on a dollar a day and your income is keeping your family alive, how exactly do you get an education?

The situation of many immigrants (not all) is akin to my ancestors who fled Ireland because they were starving and there was no opportunity for them there. They came to America and endured harsh treatment and discrimination (though nothing like blacks or Hispanics have endured), but perservered and assimilated into America while still living in Irish ghettoes, celebrating cultural events, and preserving their heritage.

The only difference between my ancestors and Mexicans and other Hispanics seeking entry now is the color of their skin.

By jbmlaw

May 18, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Dear RCH @ 2:11, you suggest, “Shouldn’t becoming an American citizen be worth and mean something?” The grace of God, a gift, is surely worth something, yet the price is already paid by Another. While I hold my American citizenship dear, it is worth less than something else free for asking, the Grace of God. This land is a gift from God, not a possession loaned us by the government; our freedom is a gift from God, not something granted us by the government. Surely you do not suggest that it is “worthy” of the American people to manufacture an artificial constraint to permit honest and earnest participation in our society? I think the cost should be the same for native-born and alien alike, mutual respect the freedom and property of others.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat Yes they came here and endured. But, they came through Ellis Island legally. And yes there are quotas on individuals and what countries they come from,and you do want as many skilled workers to fulfill jobs that are avaialble.But, it has been that way for 200 yrs.and up to this point it has worked.And now you just want to change it to meet the needs of those who can’t wait? By the way most of the jobs being filled are unskilled jobs. I would like to tell you my parents were married 42 years.Not quite a shame marriage. jbmlaw.God did give us the right to exist but he also said something about labor and the establishment of laws.Jesus said something about you treating people justly.Isn’t following the law just?

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Thank you Southern Democrat. You are a Southern Gentleman as well.

RCH, no following the law is not always just. Had the lady been convicted of felonies for lying to get her child in a better school convicted would it have been just for the simple reason that it was “law” and she did not follow it? When justice becomes nothing more than retribution it is no longer justice. And many of the anti-immigrant crowd seems to be more interested in getting a pound of Mexican flesh as opposed to seeing that justice applies for all parties in this matter. Personal crusades rarely revolve around justice. And for many it has become an all consuming personal crusade.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

And one more little thought. I work in the computer field. And as you can guess with many individuals from India. We have spoken many times about this problem. I ask them how they got here,their answer hard work and patience.That is because India is in many ways still a very poor country just now becoming an economic giant. Is that to much to ask. And Southern Democrat they look very brown to me.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

* Amelia* Then why have any laws at all. They were developed to protect you and your family.Let me ask you this:If an illegal alien killed your husband and you found out he had committed numerous other crimes here and had not punished and deported would you have this same stance. I don’t care if he is Mexican or Danish,your husband is dead.Also I know you are of Mexican decent; would you be as ardent about this if it was Asians being questioned. I know you are as colored blind about this topic as I but I believe in this phrase.”the law is reason without passion.” I think we all need to remember that.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

RCH, what they are not telling you is that huge numbers of Indians are coming here on tourist and H1B visa and do not leave when they expire. I know this from the work that I do. Koreans that are here illegally in most cases just never leave when a tourist visa expires. But I guess, basically the issue is what it is. Opinions and emotions on it differ. In the end, some will be happy, some will be furious, and others will just be ho hum about it. Just like with every issue like this one. Personally I think it is a very good bill that addresses things quite well. Border security will be enhanced, loopholes in existing law will be closed, fines will be paid. The only people that can possibly not see the merit in it are the bigots and racists that only want their pound of brown flesh.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

The answer to that one is simple RCH, is yes I would still have this opinion. I do not take the actions of an individual and hold it against an entire group of people. If a black or white parolee with numerous convictions killed my husband when he should not have been out of prison I would not hold that against an entire group of people either.

And RCH, in my work I advocate for and assist immigrants of dozens of ethnicities that have been victims of domestic violence and human traficking. I feel just as strongly about them and their condition as I do for the Mexicans and other Latinas.

By RCH

May 18, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

* Amelia* I can’t speak for all Indians,but those who work here have all their papers in order. We work on Govt. contracts which are very sensitive and our backgrounds are checked repeatatly. I hope we can find some common ground with the law, and I do not want this to be a race issue.Everyone deserves the pursuit of happiness but not the right to it.

By Amelia

May 18, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

RCH, the Indian example is comparing apples to oranges. H1B visas are a totally different issue. Anyway, You have your opinion and I have mine. I will be extremely happy when the bill is passed no matter what. But thanks for the civil discourse today. Now regretably I have to get into my balance sheet. I have been dreading it and putting it off, so now I have no choice.

By Joyner

May 18, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, as usual, is disgusted. This time, he’s blasting the field of 2008 presidential candidates who, Gingrich believes, are “demeaning the presidency” by jumping through pointless hoops.

“We have shrunk our political process to this pathetic dance in which people spend an entire year raising money in order to offer non-answers, so they can memorize what their consultants and focus groups said would work,” Gingrich said.

In a speech to the John Locke Foundation, a conservative think tank, the prospective Republican candidate said he will not consider running until he has created a wave of reform.

“This idea of demeaning the presidency by reducing it to being a game show contest … is wrong for America, and I would never participate in it,” he said.

In principle, I don’t entirely disagree. The process can be silly at times, and watching 10 candidates offer sound-bite answers — when they’re not raising their hands to yes/no questions — can start to appear a little demeaning.

But for Newt Gingrich to complain about politicians offering “non-answers,” crafted by “consultants and focus groups,” is rich. Good ol’ Newt practically invented this style of politicking; it’s too late for him to complain about it now.

Together, GOP pollster Frank Luntz and Gingrich put the “Contract with America” together thanks to the clever work of “consultants and focus groups,” who determined it would be successful. The whole point was to find rhetoric — not policies, mind you, just words that sounded good — that would propel Republican candidates.

Indeed, Gingrich circulated a memo called “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control” to incoming GOP freshmen, shortly after the Republican take-over in 1994. Gingrich told his army: Often we search hard for words to define our opponents. Sometimes we are hesitant to use contrast. Remember that creating a difference helps you. These are powerful words that can create a clear and easily understood contrast. Apply these to the opponent, their record, proposals and their party.

The point of the Gingrich “Language” memo isn’t subtle: Gingrich wanted his team to memorize the words GOP consultants and focus groups said would work.

Did it work? Like a charm. Gingrich’s style contributed to creating the current atmosphere of extreme polarization that characterizes the American political landscape.

And now Gingrich is complaining about it. The irony is rich.

By Southern Democrat

May 18, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

RCH,

I meant no disrespect to your parents or their successful marriage, but was simply saying that your mother’s attaining citizenship was a matter of the heart and convenience, not a matter of survival like many of our friends who live in countries south of us.

You offer India as an example. You know, of course, that during the Raj the British invested millions of pounds developing the infrastructure and building schools… the only money flowing into Latin America in the past 50 years has been to fund “anti-Marxist rebels” and fight the “War on Drugs.” Also, India is a poor example as the immigrants who make it here are actually a part of the middle and upper class in India; the caste system still keeps a majority of the people in dire poverty. Most Latin immigrants are hard-working people who have no access to education or, if they do, a job with a decent wage.

You attempt (like many of my conservative friends) to analogize Irish, Poles, and Italians coming through Ellis Island to Ecuadorans, Guatemalans, and Mexicans coming over the border.

Do you honestly think that if the current policy only required a quarantine period and a typhoid shot that 99% of immigrants wouldn’t come here legally? Look at how many Cuban refugees risk their life and limb in makeshift boats as a result of the Wet Foot-Dry Foot policy.

By In Atlanta

May 18, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Wow, Mr. Wooten, it is great you have a column. Your column gives hope to the mentally challenged of this nation. I assume you need to take up space, but the A.J.C. would be better served by finding an writer for your column who approaches the issues with a bit more knowledge, substance and understanding.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Al Gore writes:

It is simply no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse. I know I am not alone in feeling that something has gone fundamentally wrong. In 2001, I had hoped it was an aberration when polls showed that three-quarters of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for attacking us on Sept. 11. More than five years later, however, nearly half of the American public still believes Saddam was connected to the attack.

Intellectual dishonsty roams the wingnut masses.

Lets try it one more time.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Geez.

By Keyboard Warrior

May 18, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

My statistics might be off slightly, but the number of work visas provided to low-skill workers from developing countries is something in the neighborhood 5,000 per year.

Think about that. We have millions and millions of undocumented workers (many of whom risked their lives and their children’s lives to get here), but we only offer 5,000 visas per year for low-skill jobs.

Why? Because big business really doesn’t want to hire legal workers who complain about working conditions, not being paid overtime, etc. Of course, big business also wants to drive down wages.

This bi-partisan bill, which requires workers to return home for a year between each stint in America (workers won’t do it for fear of not being let back in)and limits green cards to those with five grand in their pockets and an education does little, if anything, to address our crisis with undocumented low-skill workers. The bill also does not address the issue of American children with parents who are came here illegally. In short, this plan is a scam on the both the American people and the impoverished and uneducated who come here to work and feed their families.

The simple solution (at least, the first step) is to dramatically increase the number of visas provided each year for low-skill jobs (with the caveat that these visas be limited to a number that fills vacancies rather drives down wages). Undoubtedly, Latinos and others would prefer to fill out a form, be in the U.S. legally and pay taxes rather than cross the desert with a jug of warm water and a dozen Hail Mary’s. Once in – legally – we should allow American minors to petition for parents to attain green cards (a trustee could process the application on the child’s behalf).

With enough low-skill visas offered, building a wall on the border would be unnecessary (a wall, by the way, which would be a monument to our lack of creativity and intelligence), and over time, the illegal immigration issue would be demoted from a crisis problem to a nuisance problem. Sadly, the Corporate States of America won’t allow this to happen — unless, together, we insist.

By WootenDull

May 19, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

{{{PUBLIC EDITOR: Rumors about Vick, dogfight require dose of caution, Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}

Whereas rumors about any member of the Bush Administration would require reckless abandon and giant goony front page headlines 24/7.

Geez.

Cowards.

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From the Urinal Vent section:

Greensburg, Kan., will be rebuilt in a quick and efficient manner because it’s in a red state.

Well, actually, the people in Kansas were smart enough to have insurance on their property, you libs from New Orleans should look into it.

Although it does require tough decisions, do I set aside some of my money in case of emergency or do I snort it all up and whine about the president when the house gets blown or washed away?

Geez.

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The Urinal, hating on the dead:

{{{Articles in the AJC posthumously lauding the Rev. Jerry Falwell reveal an amazingly narrow view of a man who spent his life preaching intolerance and creating division among people., Jeff C. Atlanta, proudly displaying his intolerance while he creates division among people, geez.}}}

Let it go, man.

Get a freaking life.

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Look at these animals, vicious stupid savages:

{{{In six days of mayhem, 47 Palestinians have died in infighting and another 17 were killed by Israeli strikes. The latest casualty was a 40-year-old Palestinian fisherman named Samir Amodi, who was shot in the head by a sniper in Gaza City’s harbor.}}}

And guess who’s side the AJC is on, employing their language of hate:

{{{WORLD IN BRIEF: Retaliatory Israeli attack kills 8 in Gaza, Urinal}}}

Kills 8 who?

Trying to imply that civilians were killed you filthy POS?

Not one freaking word does the AJC, scumbag “news” paper, spare for the Israelis wounded and killed by these savages launch rockets unprovoked into their homes.

AJC, GFY.

You c** knockers.

This should be an abject lesson for all to realize what side of the war on terror these wormy liberals are on, and why these sniveling Cowards want us to leave Iraq.

They want victory for Al Qaeda and death for the Jewish People’s.

As-sholes.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

PMSNBC: Laura Bush is hiding what she did with $12,000 from a will while crowing that Hitllary donated her share of $12,000 in a will. BFD. Read about the snore story here. Just damn, you’d think Bush was running again. Now they’re going after his wife? Sickassed liberals.

Oh, but watch them park their lazy lib fatasses on the toilet and ignore the latest Murthabat ethical bullsh!t. Did the al Jazeera Constipation report on this? Oh HELL no.

WTF is up with it being 49 degrees in the middle of May in the South? Damn that scaremongering liberal neocommunist anti-capitalist global walarmism.

Stupid liberal pigs.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Oops. The Murthabat scam artist link again. Look at this hypocritical kook yelling and screaming at his political opponents. What a pathetic man. GOD those RATs are pathetic. Sayeth moonbat Murtha:

“The committee and staff give every Democrat and Republican the same consideration, we have extensive hearings and every request is given careful consideration. We will continue to do just that.”

BULLSH!T. You disgusting liberal demoncat monkey Aholes say GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! to every Republican before the F-A-C-T-S are even out. Oh, and that goes for any rich kids at Duke as well.

Has anyone in the Bush administration actually been convicted of OUTING A COVERT CIA OPERATIVE YET? No, didn’t THINK so. Disgusting liberal monkeys.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Look mommie! Jenna Jameson is endorsing the Shrillary for president!

“The Clinton administration was the best years for the adult industry and I wish that Clinton would run again.”

Republicans need more of that^^ kind of endorsement to remind Americans what a disgusting pig we had in the Oval Orfice. I’m sure Queen Of Porn Jenna would love to visit His Peckership, and I’m sure His Peckership would be all too willing to allow a conjugal visit in private quarters.

Sick, sick, sick.

“I love Hillary. I think that in some ways she’s pretty conservative for a Democrat.”

Shrill wants to destroy our health care and turn it over to government and this jackass thinks the Shrill has some Conservative characteristics. If the blatant political idiocy of high profile demonRAT constituents like Rosie O’Pig ever needed a run for their money, Jenna just got the money shot.

By Rosie O’Pig

May 19, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Markus spends his free time reading a website called JustHillary.com?

Sick, sick, sick.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

“Markus spends his free time…”

And you spend your free time here how many days and hours out of the week, you disgusting ID queefing liberal communist puke maggot from hell?

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Jimmy “Never met a diktator he didn’t like” Carter chastises Blair for ‘blindly supporting Bush.’ Is that so you neoStalinist senile old man? Now exactly how the hell should we interpret your BLIND support of Castro and Chevez?

GOD how disgusting.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Dammit, another jacked up link. Sicko Carter on Blair again.

By Buy Danish

May 19, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

{{{With enough low-skill visas offered, building a wall on the border would be unnecessary (}}}

Yeah, like that will stop illegal aliens from crossing the border./SARC.

I agree that we need to match up low skilled workers with employers, but the immigration bill is a farce and is unenforceable. How do you handle visas for 12 million illegals? What kind of bureaucracy will be needed to process these applications?

The solution is to:

Here is Michelle Malkin’s take on this bill.

By Commander Guy

May 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Wow. the sun is barely warm and Markus has posted five times already. clear sign that the forum has sunk into the sewer, time to enjoy the world outside.

don’t bother with a witty answer, Markus, you’ll be the only one to see it.

By Commander Guy

May 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Wow. the sun is barely warm and Markus has posted five times already. clear sign that the forum has sunk into the sewer, time to enjoy the world outside.

don’t bother with a witty answer, Markus, you’ll be the only one to see it.

By Commander Guy

May 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Wow. the sun is barely warm and Markus has posted five times already. clear sign that the forum has sunk into the sewer, time to enjoy the world outside.

don’t bother with a witty answer, Markus, you’ll be the only one to see it.

By Commander Guy

May 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Wow. the sun is barely warm and Markus has posted five times already. clear sign that the forum has sunk into the sewer, time to enjoy the world outside.

don’t bother with a witty answer, Markus, you’ll be the only one to see it.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

It’s raining men! Hallelujah, it’s raining men!

Hey Commander Guy,

You want to swab the deck honey?

By Buy Danish

May 19, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

How come none of you guys want me? It’s bad enough that my husband doesn’t and now you are all ignoring me like I’m some sort of old hag.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

What have we been hearing from the dirty filthy RATs in congress as well in the sick liberal media like Chris Softballs Matthews about Bush and Republicans (and ESPECIALLY Cheney) for six freaking years now?

“Secret meetings behind closed doors.”

“They are power mongers.”

“They are greedy and don’t want to share power.”

“They act like dictators.”

“They passed a bill while everyone was on vacation.”

Yep. When Republicans still controlled congress, Bush handed over edumacation refrom to Drunkard Kennedy, allowed Daschle to federalize airport security with gubment unions, didn’t veto one bill drawn up by RATs, allowed McCain-Feinstein to proliferate, caved to the Sarbanes-Oxley bureaucratic BS, and on and on and on. Oh, but they were just pure POWER MONGERS folks!

Now fast forward to today. Just what do the dirty RATs in controlling congress want to do? Let’s start with an appetizer of re-writing House rules. Then we’ll toss a salad of preventing the minority party from having a voice of dissent on bills, and feast on a main course of violating one of the main things the jackals themselves said they were going to get RID of in Congress.

Note how the media is all but silent on the issue. No Slimes b!tchfest, no Compost b!tchfest. Nah, liberal media bias is a vast right-wing myth.

Sickos.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Liberal neocommunist demonRAT from hell ID queefbag is at it again folks. Sit back and watch how a disgusting liberal demonRAT “debates” here. Not one word on anything that’s been posted. Oh yeah, don’t forget to watch the sheer brilliance of homosexual innuendo insults as well.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

I just love talking to my self on Saturdays. Because of my parole, this is the only day I can post online. Every other day, I’m out chasing c@cks.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

Hey commando wannabe ID sicko, you only need to press once, queefbag. What, mommie didn’t teach you how to hold it properly?

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Parole? I thought you dumb sonsab!tches said I was a truck driver. Make up your mind, Pollypuke. Talking to myself? YOU are here reading it, are you not queefbag liberal maggot from hell? You people on the sick left are by far the dumbest @sses on the planet. Bar none. You are all equally worthless and walking dead to me.

Pukes.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

See, the imposter posted at 9:48. Nothing to say about what’s posted. Neocommunist demonRAT ID queefbag doesn’t like me just because I’m gay. So what if I’m a homosexual, that’s better than being an ID jacking j******* commie hole!

By WootenDull

May 19, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

You know, I just might be wrong about 8:14 part 4:

{{{This should be an abject lesson for all to realize what side of the war on terror these wormy liberals are on, and why these sniveling Cowards want us to leave Iraq.}}}

I’m starting to wonder if these sniveling Cowards aren’t really on our side.

After all, anyone who truly cared about these primitive Palestinians and all the other mouth breathing savages in the Middle East would probably tell them:

1) it’s been twenty centuries now, when do you reckon the Jews are going to start eating your children and all the other nonsense your lunatic preachers accuse them of?

2) blowing yourselves up has gotten you what? You live in the freaking ghetto, you have nothing, absolutely nothing, maybe it’s time to join the rest of civilization and make a life for yourself?

But no, the AJC glorifies their “struggle” against the EVIL JEW and the GREAT SATAN, causing more and more of them to “martyr” themselves and get blown away on the battlefield by the superior U.S. and Israeli armies.

Thanks for your help.

Killing mouth breathers is a blast ain’t it?

Gin some more of them up AJC, make them furious at Israel, print some fake civilian casualty pictures in your “news” paper, get them fired up and out on the streets where we can indiscriminately slaughter them.

OOOOaaaaaaawwwwaaahhhhh!

Yes!

You guys are the sh-it!

Now were talking!

USAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA!

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By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Heheheh, 9:53 I’m really getting to the liberal POS jacker now. You ain’t shuttin’ me up, liberal demoncat puke muther. Not now, not EVER. Know it. Learn it. DEAL with it.

Anyway, look! World oil prices down on rising US energy reserves. WTF? You mean Cheney isn’t pulling strings and keeping world oil prices high? Just think what affect we could have on world oil supplies if we tap into our OWN resources. Like say 112 BILLION BARRELS OF OIL. Oh but hell no, we can’t touch it. Enviroweenies are afraid we might kill a cockroach.

Sit down and SHAADAAAAAAP about oil prices, Pelosivich & RATs.

By Red Skull

May 19, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

You can say that again Dull! Ha ha ha ha!

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

The liberal queefbag ID jacker wishes he could get it on with me. I don’t screw cowards, I screw real men.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Average April temps in San Antonio were down by 6.3 degrees, the 4th coolest on record. You don’t say? I thought Al Sorebot said it was about a convenient lie or some liberal sh!t like that.

Oh but it gets better for the global warmbots. Average April temps GLOBALLY were down as well.

The Jim Jones liberal neoStalinist anti-capitalist global walarming scaremonger church w******* on the left are eventually going to drink that kool aid right to the biggest non-event that never happened: Man Made Global Warming End Of Days Prophecy.

Stupid overemotioned overestrogened scared liberal girlie boys.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Resident ID poofer is gone apparently, now I can get on with my gay life without interference. Global warming poofdogs still whining about the environment when we got all these good c@cks to suck.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Has our resident dieased monkey liberal ID bandit cared to address any posts/links here this morning? Not only no, but HELL no. Just more of the same jacking and sexual innuendos. This, ladies and gents, is the disease of liberalism at it’s finest hour.

Good stuff. And VERY useful as an example that is shared elsewhere about how sick these monkeybats on the left are.

By Liberal ID Queefbag Jacker

May 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Markus,

You should really go outside. Do you expect me to sit here and kick your a$$ all day? Its obvious that you are a loser to the 12th degree, so why don’t we let bygones be bygones and go out and enjoy the weather? What do you say pal?

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Roger Williams University professor mandates students watch the Alsore’s Convenient Lie communist propoganda or FAIL. Note that the obvious liberal demonRAT filthy puke Youtube video poster says NOTHING about the student complaint itself other than he’s “whining.” Also watch the trailer at the end of this video. Again, NO comment about the CHARGE itself. Filthy maggot liberals. Who says that disgusting fleabag liberal bias on college campuses is a vast right-wing myth?

HA! And up pops this link about a study on the RAT infestation of our college campuses and nazi-like indoctrination camps with gestapo-like tactics.

Filthy liberal RATs.

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

“Markus, You should really go outside. Do you expect me to sit here and kick your a$$ all day?”

I’ll get out when I’m ready punkb!tch mofo. Effing laughable. Jacking IDs and using sick homosexual innuendos is your twisted example of “kicking a$$” on a blog? You are on the wrong blog, you pathetic liberal demoncat sonofab!tch from hell.

By Liberal ID Queefbag Jacker

May 19, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

I tried to be nice jacka$$. Oh well, I guess I’ll go out and live my life now. Have fun posting to yourself fa$$ot!

By Markus

May 19, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

You started it “pal.” I may leave soon, or I may stay and post for HOURS about your pathetic sick ilk on the diseased left. Either way, it’s none of your GD business what I choose to do.

By Lickoballs

May 19, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

I am a cowardly gay man/woman that supports George Bush.

I’m Andi/e.

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By Markus

May 19, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Diseased socialist liberals say that raising taxes is not “raising taxes” when the original tax rate is just going to be re-visited. That, of course, means reversing Bush’s tax cut. Ok, I get that logic. Let’s say that farmers reduced the price of milk from $2/gallon to $1.50/gallon and then two years later bumped the price back up to $2/gallon. How many people believe that the socialist liberal whineyassed demoncats in congress like Nanny Pelosivich (and in the media) would say that that price cut was “reversed” instead of the price being “raised?”

Idiots.

By time for the truth

May 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

You’d think by now the resident queer leftist obsessive would have tired of endlessly amd obsessively puking up queer homo abuse. But this shirt lifting sicko has bugger all else to do with its sad empty indequate life so it sits there weekend, after weekend, after weekend, after weekend posting mind numbingly repetitive queer filth.

By Morbo

May 19, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Recently, I was struck by a photograph that ran on the front page of The New York Times. The archival photo from 1957 depicts Elizabeth Eckford, a young African-American woman, walking toward Central High School in Little Rock. She is surrounded by a crowd of people. (See it here.)

Eckford carries herself with quiet dignity — quite an accomplishment under the circumstances. Directly behind her is a young white woman, Hazel Massery. Her face is a twisted mask of rage, frozen in hate.

I thought about that photo again when I read the accounts of the death of the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Specially, I thought about the legacy we leave to this world.

We all have to die some day. Chances are, most of won’t leave behind much but some memories that our friends and loved ones will recall from time to time. Perhaps that legacy will be mixed — people will remember the good and the bad.

A select few people will manage to touch the lives of many others in some way. Falwell was one of those people — but what will he be remembered for? The uber-answer to that question is that he helped usher in the Religious Right and, whether we like it or not, did redefine American politics. But his larger legacy, which I think is pretty negative to begin with, is overshadowed by specific incidents of intolerance and extremism from his disturbing career.

Falwell will be remembered as the guy who outed the purple Teletubby, as the man who accused his fellow Americans of being responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. People will recall that he once compared Sen. Hillary Clinton to Satan and said the Antichrist will be Jewish.

He’ll be remembered for gay bashing, for religious intolerance and for crude personal attacks on his perceived enemies. He’ll be remembered as someone who divided, not united, our people.

And as legacies go, this is a really lousy one. These are crummy things to be remembered for.

The truly sad thing is, it didn’t have to be that way.

Redemption is possible. Hazel Massery, for example, eventually atoned for her sins. In 1996, she apologized to Eckford on national television, saying that the hateful image of herself in the photo had gnawed at her for 40 years. The two later appeared together at a commemorative event at Central High.

Falwell, sadly, never took a step like that. He seemed incapable of ever admitting a mistake or saying, “I’m sorry.” Even his “apology” after his hateful comments on Sept. 13, 2001, was half-hearted. Even more appalling, just weeks later, Falwell’s son Jonathan used the incident as the basis for a fund-raising letter. Jonathan Falwell asserted that his father was being raked over the coals by liberals and pointed out that a few bucks would sure make him feel better. Just when I thought Falwell had gone as low as he could, he actually managed to go lower.

I tell my children that you have one shot at this life — make it a good one. I know it’s not considered polite to say negative things about the recently departed, but Falwell’s passing should not obscure one obvious reality: He was given a chance to make a difference in the world, a rare opportunity most of us never receive. He squandered it. That is the final tragedy of Jerry Falwell’s misspent life.

I have my doubts about the afterlife and the existence of a Supreme Being. But I do know this: If such a being exists, he/she/it created us all and does not want us to hate one another.

By Establishment Clause

May 19, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

From 1989 to January 2007, Congress approved almost 900 earmarks for religious groups, totaling more than $318 million, with more than half of them granted in the Congressional session that included the 2004 presidential election.

We’ve strayed pretty far from our constitutional roots on this one: Nearly 200 years ago, when Congress passed a law granting federal land to a Baptist church in Mississippi, President James Madison vetoed the measure. Madison told Congress at the time, “[R]eserving a parcel of land of the United States for the use of said Baptist Church comprises a principle and precedent for the appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.’”

By time for the truth

May 19, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

@ morbidpooftah

Actually Falwell’s crusade against pooftahs was the crowning achievment of his life. It is truly sick and mean spirited to suggest otherwise. Whilst as a proud right wing secular traditional conservative I dont at all subscribe to his dogmatic religious, often brainlessly absurd evangelism, espceially that paranoid bollocks he puked up @ 9/11 - but his saving grace was that he was ALWAYS mighty sound on poofs!!!

By getalife

May 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Gov. Sonny Perdue approaches press censorship when he insists “until you get a better idea [on Iraq], keep your mouth shut.” I, for one, will fight to the death for the rights of my liberal colleagues to voice their opinions.

Lets quote McTemper on this one:

“F******* you” Sonny!

Or dick:

“Go f******* yourself Sonny!”

Loser.

By WootenDull

May 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

{{{By Lickoballs May 19, 2007 10:56 AM I am a cowardly gay man/woman that supports George Bush. I’m Andi/e.}}}

Well, well, look’s like I got sniveling Coward Polly sitting at her computer, fuming about me and my comments.

Good.

And by the way, the only way that I’m a homosexual is if your sister is a man, Polly, and we all know that isn’t so.

She told me about you spying on her and pulling your pud while you were doing it.

Sicko.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By getalife

May 19, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Another gop does not want to talk about Iraq

Listen up losers, you own it and not talking about it is cowardice.

By getalife

May 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

“Former US president Jimmy Carter speaks to the media in Pasadena, California, 2006. Carter attacked outgoing British Prime Minister Tony Blair for his “blind” support of the Iraq war, describing it as a “major tragedy for the world”.”

Well, there is a famous Georgian who is not a coward.

As mortar rounds hit the green zone during Blair’s visit to Iraq.

This failed occupation belongs to the gop.

Own it.

Losers.

By Buy Danish

May 19, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

{{{I have my doubts about the afterlife and the existence of a Supreme Being. But I do know this: If such a being exists, he/she/it created us all and does not want us to hate one another.}}}

Quoth Morbo, after 12 paragraphs expressing his hatred for Reverend Falwell.

Moreover, Morbo said, “Falwell will be remembered …as the man who accused his fellow Americans of being responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.”

Like the 2 out of 3 Dhimmicrats who who believe, or are inclined to believe that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance of the attack?

Or how about the intelligentsia who blame America’s imperialist foreign policy for inflaming the passions of Islamists in the first place?

What do you say, Morbo? Can I put you in the “Rosie is a shameless propagandist column” or do you kinda like her talking points?

CUL8R