Thinking Right

By TW

April 27, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Jim – by what measure have we not ‘lost the war’ to Bin Laden? Remember that guy? The one who attacked us? Never in his wildest dreams could he have imagined the USA was going to pee down its leg the way it has following 9/11. No doubt, in whatever cave Osama still resides, there is a nice sized portrait of Republican George W. Bush hanging over the mantel.

By Mid-South Philosopher

April 27, 2007 8:09 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

You will not find a stronger supporter of our peace officers than me, and I make no apology for that.

Having made that statement, I have been concerned for sometime about the level of leadership and the degree of proficiency of the Atlanta Police Department. It seems that this latest indictment of the officers and pleadings of the officers involved begs the question: Is it time for Pennington to go?

By Rod

April 27, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

Have you noticed how the Republican Georgia Legislature is going against Sonny Perdue more and more? Shows even party loyalty won’t survive against an imbecile Governor.

I see Jim’s going off against Democrats again – Hey Jim, wake up and smell the coffee: 70% of this country thinks your Republican ideas are stupid and ill-advised (sort of like you). I know you’d like for this to be a dictatorship with you in charge, but thank God you don’t have as much power and influence as you’d like – or everyone except white males with minimum 6 figure incomes would be given absolutely no rights.

Jim, Jim, Jim – a new low even for you. Taking cheap shots at police officers. 99.9% of them are just doing their jobs, protecting you and me. But you want to make them all look bad for the acts of a few. A bit of cowardly journalism on your part – but we’re used to that from you. Should we think all journalists are idiots just because of your actions? Same thing.

Jim Wooten makes Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson look like they firmly believe in racial equality.

By Lee

April 27, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Regarding HOPE…

In my opinion, they should make HOPE a reimbursement plan instead of the pay-up-front grant it is now. What this means is that a student will get accepted to college, pay his tuition, and then get reimbursed by HOPE upon satisfactory completion of the course. There are numerous advantages to this type system:

• HOPE doesn’t pay for a year of college, only to have the student lose HOPE and drop out.

• It places the financial responsibility back where it belongs, with the student.

• It eliminates much of the grade inflation pressure at the high school level.

• It eliminates much of the gamesmanship by high school students, such as not taking the AP or College Prep classes for fear of getting a bad grade and not qualifying for HOPE.

The only arguement against this type system is that low income students may have a problem with the initial up front costs. However, I say that there are enough student loans and grants opportunities out there that anyone can make that payment.

By Richard

April 27, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Hey Jim, I see once again you’re claiming the Republicans are the ones you want in power when times are tough. Okay then.

North Korea: what is Bush doing about this - other than meeting their demands and paying them to play nice. Yeah, paying people not to hurt us. Real brave.

Osama Bin Laden: Bush isn’t even trying to catch him anymore. Um, remember - he’s a lot more responsible for 9/11 than Iraq was. But Iraq was easier to attack. Again, Bush taking the cowards way out.

By Lee

April 27, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Regarding HOPE…

In my opinion, they should make HOPE a reimbursement plan instead of the pay-up-front grant it is now. What this means is that a student will get accepted to college, pay his tuition, and then get reimbursed by HOPE upon satisfactory completion of the course. There are numerous advantages to this type system:

• HOPE doesn’t pay for a year of college, only to have the student lose HOPE and drop out.

• It places the financial responsibility back where it belongs, with the student.

• It eliminates much of the grade inflation pressure at the high school level.

• It eliminates much of the gamesmanship by high school students, such as not taking the AP or College Prep classes for fear of getting a bad grade and not qualifying for HOPE.

The only arguement against this type system is that low income students may have a problem with the initial up front costs. However, I say that there are enough student loans and grants opportunities out there that anyone can make that payment.

By Chris

April 27, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Great Column Jim! Hey TW, no matter what you may think about the war, having an elected official state that the war is lost while our guys and gals are out there fighting it - is demoralizing and bordering on treason. What a wimp Harry Reid is. The news is always so biased towards the liberal stance that no wonder you and so many others feel that this war is lost. Our troops have been greeted as liberators - it is the fact that the so-called news outlets do not report this fact. Liberals are so interested in their hatred of George Bush that they will use any chance they can to bash him and his Presidency. Everyone likes to bash President Bush for not finding Bin Laden – if it is so easy to find this guy, how come I never see these same people signing up for military service to be the first one’s out there to find Bin Laden? Bin Laden did not attack us; the people that hijacked the planes attacked us. Their twisted ideology attacked us.

By Larry

April 27, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Evidently, bin Laden doesn’t think your fiery Republicans are scary. Six years without those nasty Democrats took us from a budget surplus to record debt, and the invasion of a county that couldn’t pose a threat because it didn’t have the weapons used to justify the invasion.

Under the circumstances, one man’s statement hardly seems worth worrying about.

By td

April 27, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

Chris,

Can you please provide some evidence of your claim that Iraqis have greeted us as “liberators?” Finding actual proof of that could change my mind as well as others who feel that the Iraq war is a hopeless cause.

By Aquagirl

April 27, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

No taxpayer, under any circumstances, should elect a bunch of “conservatives” who tax the next several generations for a medicare drug benefit.

At least some taxpayers got to vote directly on MARTA, and it included a benefit to those who would possibly survive to the end of that benefit.

Nice points on the HOPE changes. Entitlement is entitlement. It makes no difference if you’re living in HUD housing on welfare, pillaging national forests for lumber, or avoiding tuition for your mediocre student to acquire a bigger SUV.

By DebbieDoRight

April 27, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

How can anyone be against HOPE? It costs the taxpayers NOTHING. Fully funded by the Lotto, which by their own doctrines, politicians can’t touch for their pet pork projects, (hmmm could be why they’re against HOPE); and, GASP, it WORKS!!! Other states are trying to copy the highly successfuly program.

And Wooten and a few others are against that?! AMAZING.

BTW, Jim; I thought you’d at least acknowledge Katherine Johnston and the frailty of too much power and not enough checks and balances and the ruination of a great system, (democracy)in your diatribe; I guess that was too much to HOPE for.

By time for the suspension

April 27, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

Looks like Michael Vick’s been hanging with Punkman Jones. Terrance Moore is right, this guy is a knucklehead.

By DebbieDoRight

April 27, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

How can anyone be against HOPE? It costs the taxpayers NOTHING. Fully funded by the Lotto, which by their own doctrines, politicians can’t touch for their pet pork projects, (hmmm could be why they’re against HOPE); and, GASP, it WORKS!!! Other states are trying to copy the highly successfuly program.

And Wooten and a few others are against that?! AMAZING.

BTW, Jim; I thought you’d at least acknowledge Katherine Johnston and the frailty of too much power and not enough checks and balances and the ruination of a great system, (democracy)in your diatribe; I guess that was too much to HOPE for.

By Aquagirl

April 27, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

HOPE funds are the same as any other self-imposed “fun” tax. Squandering them is unacceptable. Squandering funds while creating grade inflation and low expectations of students is even worse.

By regulator

April 27, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Yeah, America is really lucky to have this Republican in office. He has given us war predicated on a lie, more debt than your children can ever pay off, and $4.00 gas, don’t you love the Republicans.

By Deborah

April 27, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Chris - bin Laden did attack us, he was bankrolling the hijackers from Afganistan. People like you shouldn’t be allowed to vote, your ignorance is astounding.

By KC

April 27, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Greeted as liberators? Are you out of your cotton picking mind? And it’s true just because it isn’t reported? Oh my God. The insanity of some people is beyond reproach. My brother is a Marine, and I am proud of him. I have many other friends who serve and I am a veteran of the first Gulf War. Now…all that aside…no one I know who is serving in Iraq feels like a liberator. The current generals in charge of the mission to Iraq don’t feel we’re being greeted as liberators. Exactly who, I’m curious, is concealing this fact from them?

The war in Iraq was lost the minute it started.

By lazermike

April 27, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

What’s worse — saying that a war is lost, or losing it?

By KC

April 27, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Wait…sorry…you are out of your cotton pickin’ mind Chris. I didn’t see where you said “Bin Laden didn’t attack us. The people who hijacked the airplane attacked us.” Wow. You are a moron. Sorry…I don’t like this to devolve to personal attacks but you don’t have the brains God gave a mule. So if Bin Laden didn’t attack us George W Bush didn’t invade Iraq either. Sweet. Okay, you’re right. Everyone stop criticizing Bush and put the blame where you so obviously want it to reside: the troops. Jeez. What an idiot.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Good Friday morning James,

While I agree that HOPE eligibility requirements should be tougher, I can’t help but question if the changes will just add to the dumbing down of our youth.

Since many colleges only require 2-3 years of social studies and science and only 2 years of foreign language for admissions. Once these requirements are met, students could take basket weaving and not affect their chances from a GPA perspective where taking additional science, social studies or four years of foreign language might have an adverse affect under the new regulations. Will students not challenge themselves with harder classes for fear of loosing HOPE?

I may be looking at this from a view of the glass being half empty, but kids are pretty wise and will figure out that once they’ve earned HOPE, say in their jr. year of high school, that they can afford to dick off and not risk or fear loosing HOPE.

Is this what we really want?

And I fear you may be wrong on HOPE not being viewed as an entitlement. To eliminate it from being one our legislature really needs to make it a reimbursement type program (as Lee suggests) or create loans that could be forgiven if a student maintains the grades, rather than an up front grant.

By Andy Migliore

April 27, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Jim, what reasoning are you really using, its definitely not deductive reasoning, I believe it’s talking point reasoning or Republican speak,try addressing the real issues like lying, deceit, false info, if your allowed to. With regards to the abortion issue why don’t you garner some acurate facts as to what would happen to women if Roe v Wade were overturned, it would be turning back the clock to the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and back alley abortions, but you really don’t want to talk about that do you. The stupidity of Guliani’s comment about another 9/11 if a Democrat is elected will now be the next mantra of the Republican Party, how sad that he can’t run on his record because he actually had a terrible one, but this will come out.

By Osama Bin Laden

April 27, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Na na na na. You can’t catch me (of course you’d have to actually try to catch me first).

Yeah, I learned my lesson not to go against the USA - HA!

(I pray to Allah that a Democrat doesn’t become president in 2008 - he might shift the focus from pounding Iraq to actually trying to catch me!!)

By deegee

April 27, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

What’s really amusing is when conservative white guys comment on how silly it is for liberal women and blacks to take a stand either for or against something.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

“Bush said (he is) sympathetic to Tillman family. President Bush hopes someone is held responsible for the U.S. military’s mishandling of information about the death of former football star Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, the White House said Wednesday.”

You are the President idiot. Make it happen.

Scum, lower than Dusty.

Geez.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Now remind me just who it is that keeps reminding us he’s commander in chief?

By jbmlaw

April 27, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I am fully in sync with Jim today, so I won’t try to add much. As to 15-year extensions to tax programs, I think that is a half-empty/half-full issue. We don’t even get the chance to revisit the charter of the IRS. The hour of “bad things” is actually any time after midnight until 5 AM; my criminal cases at other hours are few and far between, so tell your kids. I am certain our leftist friends will chafe at Jim’s “daycare” smart comment, while they launch their socialized medicine campaign; they are just not smart enough to know a real problem when it evolves, otherwise they would not campaign to give the terrorists some breathing room in Iraq. As to the Korean apologies, while I agree – we have several Korean neighbors, the best people you would want to know – is it not a pleasant and admirable difference when compared to Islamic atrocities; who has ever heard an apology there (or maybe those atrocities are too frequent and they would be apologizing all the time.) The prom joke may be the best of the day.

By Rod

April 27, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw - you mention giving the terrorists some breathing room in Iraq. That’s exactly the problem. The terrorists are still there. That’s why this mission has failed. We’ve been there for years and haven’t gotten anything done. Years and we haven’t knocked them out - and you think we will in another year or two? Get real.

Time to use those Billions of dollars over here instead of throwing them down the drain over there waving at the terrorists as they drive by.

By Aquagirl

April 27, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Two moments of warm fuzzyness. I am astonished to be in agreement with jbmlaw, even if it is only about the prom joke being the best of the day.

And in happy news that didn’t make Jim’s cut, the Hawking dude got a zero-G ride. Who doesn’t love living in the 21st century?!?

By getalife

April 27, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

jim d,

Makes you wonder who is running this country?

I guess cheney.

He hopes cheney holds them accountable.

Watching the Dems debate last night, Williams asked for a show of hands for who supported the Kucinich’s impeachment of cheney.

Nobody raised their hand. Very disappointing.

At least the next President will have a brain and can talk.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 27, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

I’m tired of complaining about Iraq…it’s just too easy.

How about Jim’s Marta comment?

By Jim’s logic, we should de-fund the only alternative to single driver transportation that this state has, and let it die a slow, painful death.

I ride from Decatur to five points and then from five points to the Perimeter every day. And ever day, all of those cars are full (sometimes distressingly so). That’s six cars with at least 60 people on them, or 360 people one way. Assuming that it’s that way for the rush hour, it would be easy to assume that just from 7 am to 8 am Marta is taking 360 x 6 (trains run every 10 minutes) = 2160 cars off the road each day between decatur and downtown, and probably a much greater number of cars off the road between downtown and the perimeter…and that’s only in the direction that I travel and doesn’t include the folks coming in from the west or the airport.

Yes Jim. You are correct. We should add thousands of more cars into Atlanta’s already fragged up transportation infrastructure. That would make every one jump for joy!

Brilliant!

By Captain Freedom

April 27, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Chris is correct, and exemplifies the Thinking Right standard. It is true that the bedwetting liberals are refusing en masse (excuse my French) to sign up for Our Leaders Glorious Crusade to fight the bearded, Q-tip headed swarthy hordes. They are cowards who hate America.

That is why Chris is leading a parade of Patriotic Right Thinking stalwarts directly to the nearest recruiting station. He knows that this gesture will go a long way to putting the Islamoliberunists in their place.

Who else among us, the True Belief Patriots, will join brave Chris in his Crusade? I for one will be cheering loudly as he marches by.

By JJ

April 27, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

To all of you democrats bashing Bush for the war and not finding Bin Laden, let’s not forget that your friend President Clinton knew the location of Bin Laden after the attack on the USS Cole and nothing was done. That could possibly have prevented this whole thing.

By Captain Freedom

April 27, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Cherry Picker,

Your logic is flawed. Most of the people on Marta are “those people”, and we all know that none of them have cars.

It is because “those people” benefit from Marta that we Right Thinkers are foursquare in our opposition to mass transit.

Ditto the HOPE scholarship. All that edumacation makes folks uppity. Cancel it, and use the savings to build bigger prisons. It’s the Right thing to do.

By ABS

April 27, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Oh, there we go…JJ did it for us…it’s Clinton’s fault! It’s Clinton’s fault! It’s Clinton’s fault!

Seriously, JJ, nobody, not even the level headed conservatives believe that anymore.

By Rick

April 27, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

JJ - Bin Laden attacked under Bush, who had his head up his a$$. Stop passing blame - just get it done! (and Bush is incapable of doing that).

By Peter

April 27, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim, Tell us something that Bush is doing “Good” for America?

Jim, tell us something that Bush is saying that would be honest?

Jim, please tell us how we as a nation are safe with Bush, and his policies?

Jim, please tell us the good Bush is doing for American children?

Jim, please tell us how Bush policies are good for the American consumer?

I would be interested to hear what you have to say, because I don’t see the good.

By Rod

April 27, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Hey Chris at 8:21 - how are you typing your pathetic blog? Aren’t you running to sign up to go after Bin Laden? You attack liberals for not signing up - why don’t you sign up? Huh? Huh? Huh?

We all know what an idiot you are anyway with your comment: “Bin Laden did not attack us; the people that hijacked the planes attacked us.”

Come to think of it, I hope you don’t sign up - you’re so stupid, you’d hold the gun backward and shoot your own men behind you.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Hey JJ……so what has Bush done about Bin Laden ??

He is in bed with the whole family, seems oil is thicker than American blood!

By Watta Load

April 27, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Those poor officers…they are just doing their jobs aren’t they and now they have to risk prosecution.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/04/26/0426feds.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=13

Jim, do you even read your own newspaper?

By getalife

April 27, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Well, I would ask Chris where the hell is OBL and show him this

But it looks like the posters here have taken care of that chickenhawk.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

On gun laws.

I fear these gun control lobbyists have had fuel added to their fire by the Va. Tech incident.

It is truly a shame these idiots haven’t figured out that the reason we were granted the right to own guns in this country was to protect us from our own government.

The fact that America is now estimated to have between 238 million and 276 million firearms, compared with some 250 million legally owned guns, or 84 for every 100 people, recorded in a July 2001 survey would indicate to me that those wishing to ban guns might not stand much of a chance of succeeding.

By Captain Freedom

April 27, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

What does it say about our Nation when a top Democrat Presidential contender would say something as anti-American as this:

“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”

By damn, this bedwetter is worse than that Surrendodefeatocrat Harry Reid. Of course, it was worth every penny we spent to find that ba$tard Sodom Hussein. To suggest that it was a mistake to spend the money, time, and lives it took to move the heavens and earth to pull the man responsible for 9/11 from his spider hole is to demean every sacrifice our Brave Troops have made.

When will the Democrat wusses stand up and denounce this cowardly cur?

By getalife

April 27, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

jim d,

I am pro gun and doubt they will try to ban them. We have the right to bear arms.

There should be a background checks for criminals and mental patients and that is as far as that will go.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 27, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Captain Freedom,

I stand corrected, and on a couple of fronts no less.

There are a lot of “those people” and the don’t look like they have cars to me. I’m sure that busses and prisons would suit them fine.

Also, who really wants to whine about Marta when there’s a war on?

Where’s Osama

Jim D, I agree that removing guns from the population is a fallacy. How could that possibly work?

But do you really think that individuals with guns could defend themselve against our government if there were a civil war or insurgency? I mean, c’mon. Everybody knows that IED’s and RPG’s are the way to go.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA……..Captain Freedom…..HA HA HA……….HA HA HA….

Gee has Bush spent ANY money trying to “Find” Bin Laden?????

I guess blowing up Iraq was doing so ????

HA HA HA……HA HA HA…….HA HA HA….

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

getalife@9:14,

I am so glad that brought up Pat Tillman’s name again. LuckoDull wrote such a fine tribute to Tillman on Luckovich’s “Dishonored Memory” blog of April 25 @7:16. I would like to repeat part of that again.

*It takes a special kind of man to forego glamour, stardom and riches so that he can serve on the front lines of the Islamic War against America.

I find it seriously hard to believe that he would have wanted anyone grand standing on his behalf against the country that he laid his life down for.

These are things that you liberals can’t even begin to understand, you couldn’t begin to fathom the depth of honor and sacrifice we are dealing with here.

I am greatly humbled to have served the same nation as Pat Tillman did, it makes me weak to think of what we owe him, of what he gave to us.*

By Al Gore is a Big Fat Fool

April 27, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

This is for all of you left-wing nut jobs who always blindly follow the party line and believe (and do) whatever they tell you:

Warming Rip-Off?

People who are spending big money trying to cut their contributions to global warming may be getting ripped off. The Financial Times reports corporations and individuals are coughing up millions of dollars on carbon-offset projects that are in some cases worthless, and in others make little if any difference to the environment.

Some companies in the booming carbon offset industry are making millions by selling services of little or questionable value. The U.K.’s biggest bank went carbon neutral two years ago — but its environment adviser says he has found “serious credibility concerns” in the offset market. And the Times reports other companies — such as DuPont Chemical — are actually getting people to pay them to clean up the company’s own pollution.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Hey the French did it with garden tools and The Guillotine.

Who knows?

By DebbieDoRight

April 27, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

HOPE funds are the same as any other self-imposed “fun” tax. Squandering them is unacceptable. Squandering funds while creating grade inflation and low expectations of students is even worse.

The funds aren’t “squandered”; I think the whole concept is a great idea that’s working effectively and costs the people of georgia NOTHING.

Grading inflation and low expectation of students are caused by the Georgia Department of Education, they are the ones that make the standards.

By harold

April 27, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

“real or brewing”

ha ha! nice euphemism mister wooten! so you admit the trouble in Iraq was not real!

What normally goes on the opposite end of “or” from “real” ???

well, make-believe, hoax, imagined, not, fake, artificial, etc.

heh heh heh your slip is showing

Ok we’ll call it “brewing” instead of “false/fabricated”

“BREWING” trouble….

By Van

April 27, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

getalife and jim d,

I can not believe it, don’t take this the wrong way, but if these two posts are on the level, I actually agree with you!

BTW, if there are 84 firearms per 100 people, then I have almost hundred peoples firearms in my collection.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

crusty the scum,

I think his brother who fought beside him knows him better than Andy.

You have got to be out of your freaking mind.

You are pathetic.

By Captain Freedom

April 27, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

The Captain regrets to inform the Nation that he has made a grievous error in his last post. Grievous indeed.

The Presidential contender who made the referenced remark is in fact the Godly Right Thinking Mitt Romney. And as such, my criticism of his attitude was improper and off-base. As he is likely to be the standard bearer for True Belief (despite his polygamy and odd devotion to the Mormon cult), I do not intend to show any disrespect or lack of total, uncritical support to the heir apparent of Our Leader’s Holy Crusade.

Further, a closer examination shows that the Good Gov. Romney was in fact talking about that bin Laden guy. As poster Chris @ 8:21 points out so well, we were not attacked by bin Laden anyway.

And Our Leader himself has said, “Terror is bigger than one person…. So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.”

And that’s why moving heaven and earth to invade Iraq (a good thing) was okay, but to do the same to capture bin Laden (just one man who never attacked us the way Iraq did) would be a folly.

It sure can be confusing. Thank God we have someone like Mr Wooten to keep us on the straight and narrow.

And again, the Captain begs forgiveness for speaking ill of a Republican, even if he is some kind of wacko, fringe cult nutjob.

Dang. Sorry again. It won’t happen any more. Promise.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Yo Deb,

Would you consider the funds squandered if nearly half of the first year recipients were losing it in the first year? Would you consider it squandered if the amount of money being spent that first year for students that loose it would pay 100% for those that earn it?

Can we do it better? You betcha!

By harold

April 27, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

IF YOU CAN’T SAY A LOST WAR IS LOST THEN WAHT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO SAY

General A: This war is lost.

General B: No, no, say it this way: “we can still win.”

General A: I quit.

General B: Why do you hate America so much? Quit and the terrorists have won already.

General A: You haven’t been paying attention have you.

By harold

April 27, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

in IRAQ the terrorists HAVE won

their enemy is GEORGE W BUSH but he is an incompetent IDIOT who only MAKES THINGS WORSE FOR EVERYBODY except the terrorists, he’s making things wonderful for them

if george w bush wants to protect ameriker, he better put some of our troops HERE instead of Iraq where maybe they could do some good if something came up and we needed them like Katrina

By Keith

April 27, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

WWII ended in Europe on “VE Day” May 7/8 1945. However despite the victory there was still insurgent activity until at least 1947 resulting in over 700 American deaths. One bombing in a Bremen police station killed 44 Americans in a single attack.

The “war” in Iraq is over and we already won the war. I don’t know why some people continue to call this a war. The Iraqi government has collapsed. saddam hussein (lowercase intentional because he is unworthy of respect) is dead and the world is a better place as a result. I suspect that harry reid also assumes we lost WWII.

What remains in post war Iraq is an insurgency, supported by Iran, Syria and quite likely Russia as well. Iran does not want our efforts in Iraq to succeed and they are doing everything they can to undermine those effotts.

Larry: there is a very big difference between “weapons have not been found” and “weapons did not exist”. Do you have personal knowledge of what was loaded into the fleet of Semi’s that were seen in satellite photos loading up at Iraqi Weapons Depots and later crossing into Syria in the weeks leading up to the the war? There is evidence that suggests that Russia and Syria were directly aiding weapons programs in Iraq before the war and there is evidence suggesting that Iraq’s nuclear program has moved from Iraq to Syria.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/014835.php

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Captain Freedom - you are a bigot and a fool. You also don’t check your facts very well. I guess anonymity has its vertues - one of them being that when you get called on it you can deny that it was you who made the nasty, bigotted comments.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

OMG Van,

WE AGREE? Hey, I guess starnger things could happen, just not sure what they’d be.

Oh and for the record, I could only arm my immediate family, their spouses and offspring.

The fact is though that according to a small arms survey in 2003 the United States is the most armed country in the world. With roughly 83 to 96 guns per 100 people, the United States is approaching a statistical level of one gun per person.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0709-03.htm

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

getalife @10:20

Here’s one of the last lines of LuckoDull’s piece about Pat Tillman that I will add now:

“God bless your soul, Pat.”

Same to you, getalife.

By Shar

April 27, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

The police officers in question have admitted to a conspiracy. They have admitted to providing false information to obtain the no-knock warrant, they have admitted to planting evidence, they have admitted to conspiring to cover up their actions. They broke into a civilian’s home and, when she used her gun to defend herself (something so many posters here uphold as an inalienable right) they shot her dead. And now federal investigators are alleging that there is evidence that this kind of behavior is widespread throughout the Atlanta Police Department, and is carrying out a widespread investigation. Paul Howard is reviewing over 100 cases in which the guilty officers were involved. Jim, it is truly inappropriate for you to take jibes at the investigators who protect us from criminals like these officers have admitted to being, at least without noting the crimes to which they have acknowleged guilt.

Rep. Byrd is entitled to her opinion on the first meeting of sperm and egg being equal to an adult human being. The constitutional amendment she proposes, however, would force her views on every person in Georgia. There is a big difference between holding your personal views and using the power of the government to force them on others. Rep. Byrd probably sees no reason why she should observe the practices of, say, her Christian Scientist constituents who eschew medical intervention as tampering with God’s plan, or of her Muslim constituents who believe that women in public life are an obscenity. Deeply-held beliefs are not the same as public policy, no matter how much the believer thinks that others will be improved if forced into compliance.

Rep. Byrd’s gender is only significant in that it us being used as cover by her party to legitimize a proposal that would be even more vulmerable to objection if made only by men. It brings to mind the party’s similar use of the unfortunate Rep. Sue Burmeister. Rep. Byrd is welcome to use her gender to advance her standing in the party, and she is welcome to her beliefs as well. Whatever “wrath” she arouses, whether from men or women, derives from her effort to impose her beliefs on others who do not share them.

By JaWonda

April 27, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Of course Jim wants to get rid of MARTA - it’s main riders are black. Jim’s a racist so, anything to hurt blacks is a plus in his mind.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

crusty the scum,

May God have mercy on your soul.

I am going to say this for the last time.

Stop bashing the Tillman family.Period.

By harold

April 27, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

after the first nucular bomb dropped on japan do you think the japanese war leaders got angry at their counterparts who insisted the war was lost?

if you want to say the war isnt lost, you have to define lost and define won

bush cant define lost or won

he probably cant even spell them

i am just waiting for cheney or somebody to deny that it’s lost and then have some ACTUAL REPORTER ask him “well sir how would you define ‘lost’ for this war? you must have defined what “lost” mean in order to be so sure we have not done it. What does “lost” mean for Iraq? It obviously must means something other than “not able to win” because we are definitely there

By Peter

April 27, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Today the EURO has reached a record hi to the US dollar……..

The housing market is totally crazy with the mafia style loans out there.

Please would some “smart” Right Winger explain to us the “Good” George Bush is doing for America?

Thank you!

By harold

April 27, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

harold apoligizes for referring to himself as “i”

oops!

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 27, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Harold makes a good point.

GW isn’t defining his terms, and is resisting efforts to do so. So the Democrats are doing it for him, and he don’t like that too much.

It’s kinda like the War on Drugs. How do you know if it’s won or loss? If one person is growing some reefer in the basement of a house in Cherokee County, is the war still on?

Cheney would say yes. And he’d moe-slap anyone who dared to challenge that opinion. Then he’d ruin their credit, take their daughter’s lollipop and kick their dog.

By jm

April 27, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Regarding debt avoidance, Mr. Wooten must be referring to the stellar job done of INCREASING the nation’s debt during the reign of W the incompetent. It must be real hard to talk “tough” to China and Saudi Arabia one minute, then beg them for money the next.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Peter,

“Please would some “smart” Right Winger explain to us the “Good” George Bush is doing for America?”

I’m not a RW’r but I gotta admit he has had a positive impact on making us smile with his “Bushisms”

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm

By Mark

April 27, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Jim, who did you blow to get your job?

By Jackie

April 27, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

The neo-cons(facisits) have worn out all their excuses for their irrational and irresponsible behavior. George Bush has led them to believe what is before their very eyes is fictional. Those of us who do no follow their logical progression need help with our cognitive skills. The question posed is, can one rationalize with an idiot?

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Jim Wooten,

I like those lines “If there’s trouble or threat, real or brewing in the world, put a Republican in the White House. If day care is in crisis and money is the answer, elect a Democrat.”

So true.

Getalife,

I am free to post what I want here. Why don’t you monitor yourself sometimes? Your constant bid for attention is tiresome.

By harold

April 27, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

In the war to bring Bin Laden to justice as was promised by Dubya and friends, the USA lost by forfeiture since we did not even show up.

By DebbieDoRight

April 27, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Yo Deb, Would you consider the funds squandered if nearly half of the first year recipients were losing it in the first year? Would you consider it squandered if the amount of money being spent that first year for students that loose it would pay 100% for those that earn it?

Huh? I think HOPE is a success. What would you have the money go to? Save the Buckhead Golf courses? The money thats supposedly “lost” by a student who fails to make the appropriate grades, is reintrodued back into the Scholarship fund, (please read the funding statement on how HOPE works on the Ga. Lottery webpage); and given to another needy student. HOPE money, unlike Georgia tax payer dollars, is never squandered and has strict accountability, (one of the guidelines drawn up the original supporters and sponsors of Lottery Georgia), by the governing board. Unlike say, PELL Grants, or PEACHCARE; each dollar for HOPE is accounted for and put to use.

By harold

April 27, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Hey Dusty, How about the trouble or threat, real or “brewing,” named OSAMBA BIN LADEN

(“brewing” has been officially odopted by the Republicans party as the antonym of “real,” supplanting “fake.” “Fake” is not to be used anymore. Anyone uttering “fake” shall be exported to Cuba as enemy combover)

By Peter

April 27, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Dear Dusty and Jim Wooten….

We do have a major crisis, and it is ALL ABOUT MONEY……..

THE NATIONAL DEBT !!!!!!!!!!

I guess neither of you have been paying attention……..also if you didn’t notice it was brought about by the Republican party!

By Historian

April 27, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Just a note to hearten some and make others run out of the room screaming in agony - every election held on the date of November 4 (as the 2008 election will be) has been won by a Republican, or before that a Whig.

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Dear Harold and Peter Peter the pumpkin eater,

I don’t think OSAMA is hiding in a deep cave for the cool temperatures. Do you?

Oh, I hope you noticed the STOCK MARKET yesterday. Dow Jones reached new goals, didn’t it? How about that? Or were you too busy complaining to notice?

By jim d

April 27, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Deb,

With all due respect.

When a student flunks out of a program that has already been paid for those funds are not refunded and therefore can not be spent on a student that remains.

What has been proposed on this blog is holding the failing student accountable. Doing so would free up funds that could be used to guarantee 100% funding of a college education for the students that maintain elgibility.

JMHO, but doing anything less is squandering the funds.

By catlady

April 27, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

The last bullet is a classic! Reminds me of a Miss Manners response to the question, “My niece, after having lived with for 4 years and having 2 children with this man, is marrying him in a big wedding and reception. Is this proper?” To which Miss Manners replied, “This comes under the proper heading of High Time.” Sad, sad, that anyone would think this is okay.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Slither back under rock crusty.

It does not get any dumber than you.

Idiot.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Hi Dusty, I thought you might enjoy a wonderful Bushism…….Funny but actually true……..

2) “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

As far as the stock market goes, yes it is going up……..and so is inflation, the national debt, and our reliance on everyone’s money as we are now the largest debtor country in the world….

So yes we are truly the world leader at something!

By harold

April 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

UHH, osamba is not hiding in a deep cave. that is DICK CHENEY’S “UNDISCLOSED LOCATION” he used to disapper to regularly to pee his pants

OSBAMA is running around free in PAKISTAN, George W’s ALLY, supported by SAUDI ARABIAS, George W’s OTHER ALLY

Did you know Osamba worked for George W Senior in the CIA? Maybe he is in the witless protection plan now.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Dusty I would like to know when does Dow Jones actually sets goals?

Do you know when the next goal setting period will be?

By getalife

April 27, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Job cuts, no health insurance, low pay and cheap labor are the reasons the stock market is up and profits are high.

It would be higher if the ceo pay rate was lowered. Probably save a few jobs too but corporate greed is running our government right now especially with the gop.

By catlady

April 27, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

DebbieDR, the taxpayers DO lose for every HOPE student who loses it and drops out because those students have taken up valuable space that could have been used for serious students. HOPE scholars in danger of failing also drop classes at an alarming rate. They have also been subsidized by state taxpayers because the HOPE covers only a PORTION of what it takes to provide the classes. The taxpayers (at public institutions) provide the rest. And, all U.S. taxpayers bear the burden for all students who take out student loans because of the taxpayer money that goes to subsidize them. Those who drop out before degree completion are more likely to have trouble paying their loans off (you know, what they borrowed to pay for housing, etc, that HOPE did not pay, in the case of HOPE recepients.) So, yeah, having marginal HOPE scholars costs us all. It ain’t a free program, by any means.

By deegee

April 27, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

It looks like OBL and Al-Qaeda is concentrating on Saudi Arabia. How many more lives are going to be lost over the world’s battle for control of the oil fields? If the Kurds, Sunni and Shia in Iraq could agree on who is going to control Kirkuk and the oil fields we might not be mired there. It’s a shame we are fighting Islamic terrorism at the same time we are funding it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18349238/ Are we doomed for

By Dave

April 27, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Our new Democratic leaders are mistaken in their assertion that they are in power because the country wants us out of the war. The reason they are in power is that Republican voters wanted to punish the members of the party who were corrupt and acting too much like Democrats. Next election will be a wake up call. There are more conservatives in this country than liberals and if there was a viable third party, it would have won the majority on election day.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Hi Dusty, here is another wonderful Bushism…….

“I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.” —Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

Perhaps Dow Jones, and Bush can get together with the Fish and create new GOALS for America!

By pimp my lib

April 27, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Democrat agenda 2006 -

·fuel price controls at the pump

·real working plan for Iraq’s future

·plan for capturing Osama bin Laden

·plan for social security overhaul

·plan for rejuvinating the horrid economy

·plan for getting more people out of poverty

·plan for a new direction in this nation

Democrat accomplishments in 2007 -

·going after the Bush administration

Jobs well done Sen. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. What tools.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

“The device was a dangerous device,” David Carter, an Austin assistant police chief, said at a press conference this afternoon. “We believe it was capable of detonation.”

He declined to be more specific. Officials have not commented on any possible suspects or motives and have not said what else was in the device.

Austin police said they are reviewing video from the clinic’s surveillance cameras.”

Send this wingnut to Gitmo.

By Political Analyst

April 27, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Brilliant assessment Dave. Of course that’s what happened. Unfortunately true, traditional, and moderate conservatives are sick of the neo-cons that have taken over the Republican party, so your assessment about the upcoming elections are very mistaken.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Good luck with that Dave.

We, the people voted to get out of Iraq and the Dems spoke for us.

We are one signature away.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

To Dusty and the “Smart” Right wingers out there, some help with this comment please……

“There are jobs Americans aren’t doing. … If you’ve got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I’m talking about.” —George W. Bush. Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

Would you or someone please interpret what George Bush is actually saying?

Thank you for the help!

By Craig

April 27, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

“If there’s trouble or threat, real or brewing, in the world, put a Republican in the White House.”

What a joke - after the total botching of the war in Iraq by the Bushies.

Jim is obviously an intelligent individual. I wonder - at some point surely he will grow tired of going to work every day and coming up with new ways to shill for the obviously inept Republicans.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Hi Jim Wooten and Dusty……were truer words ever spoken by George Bush?

“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” —George W. Bush, interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

I wonder why?

By jim d

April 27, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

More on gun laws from our commander in chief.

“For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It’s just unacceptable. And we’re going to do something about it.” —George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

Damn, looks like he finally succeeded at something.

By Chris

April 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

It would be impossible for me to respond to everyone so I will give an attempt to respond to certain postings that caught my eye. Why am I not signing up for the military? To be honest with you, I wanted to enlist but they do not have wheelchair ramps in boot camp, so that kind of rules me out. Yeah, I am paralyzed! That is how I am typing my blog. Just like a liberal though – always have to revert to name calling when you get all upset and disagree with someone else. Being paralyzed though, give me an armored tank and I will drive that mutha in Iraq behind my fellow fighters any day. As long as I can sit in it, I can drive it! KC demonstrates my point exactly when he states, “I do not like to resort to personal attacks…” well, if you don’t like to resort to personal attacks, why are you then resorting to personal attacks? And by the way KC, I would never bash our troops unlike you and the rest of your demented liberal friends. I respect and honor them as my Father, Uncle, and Bother-in-law are all vets! Can you not argue a point intelligently? You must have attended a government school! Secondly, why is the burden of proof on me to show you folks that our military has been greeted as liberators? If all you watch is CNN, and read the AJC, then of course you will not see 1 single story about this anywhere. Yeah, Yeah, I know – I watch Fox (Faux) News and they report it. You can also check out other news outlets as well. Certainly not every single Iraqi feels this way, but some do, just look at how many showed up at the polls to vote - remember the purple finger dye? Not every single person in this country viewed our Patriots as liberators either. Some sided with the English. Look at the U.S.A. now. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Again, saying that Bin Laden did not attack our country is CORRECT! It is the same way of thinking that guns don’t kill people – people that point guns at others and pull the trigger kill people. The people that hijacked those airplanes are the ones that killed our fellow country men, women and children. The Democratic Party has not had any interest in seeing George Bush succeed since he was elected President. And yes, he did win, not Al Bore. Man I am good – Take that and that and that! So put that in your surrender pipe and Smoke It!

Secondly, why is the burden of proof on me to show you folks that our military has been greeted as liberators. Certianly not ever single Iraqi feels this way, but some do, jsut look at how many showed up at the polls to vote - remember the purple finger dye?

By Chris

April 27, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Not every single person in this country viewed our Patriots as liberators either. Some sided with the English. Look at the U.S.A. now. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Again, saying that Bin Laden did not attack our country is CORRECT! It is the same way of thinking that guns don’t kill people – people that point guns at others and pull the trigger kill people. The people that hijacked those airplanes are the ones that killed our fellow country men, women and children. The Democratic Party has not had any interest in seeing George Bush succeed since he was elected President. And yes, he did win, not Al Bore. Man I am good – Take that and that and that! So put that in your surrender pipe and Smoke It!

By jim d

April 27, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

On the war effort.

George said it best himself.

“The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done.” —George W. Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006

By ABS

April 27, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Would anyone else like to comment on Chris’ yet again, stroke of brilliance (please note my sarcasm)…it’s too easy, and I’m going to lunch!

Later!

By Chris

April 27, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Go ahead ABS - help yourself. I guess you run to lunch because you can’t argue my very valid points! Go ahead homey, I am waiting.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Chris,

Thanks for using paragraphs. Geez.

Lets start with your personal health. I made that mistake with the wingnuts and they used it against me.

Like me, you have time on your hands so may I suggest turning off the wingnut propaganda Faux and read something.

Start with “The Plan of Attack” and there are many other books on the Iraq disaster.

You seem willfully ignorant on the Iraq disaster so I will give you a chance to educate yourself and get back with you when you do.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Chris…….Bush was appointed president….. 5-4

By MrsKelTec

April 27, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Bottom Line: Liberals are ruining this country. Liberals complain the war is “lost” and our soldiers have failed and our President is a failure. Treasonous. Liberals complain their civil liberties are violated and yet they are the ones screaming to label certain words and name calling as “hate crimes” punishable by jail time but its liberals who are notorious for name calling! Has anyone asked the liberals who is going to pay for enforcing these “hate crime” laws? We’re certainly going to jam up our court systems with a bunch of sissies with hurt feelings this way! Way to go Libs! And what are you going to do when you can’t call the Hate Hannity Hotline and spew profanities and insults anymore? Huh, Libs? And as far as finding Bin Laden - what are the dems going to do if (God forbid) one is elected in 08? Invite him over to the Oval Office for coffee and tell him we’re sorry we’ve been such meanies? This is disgusting. This generation of liberal democrats is pathetic and weak and God help this country if one elected into office because all Hell will really break loose. Grow a pair, weak minded Libs.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

MrsKelTec,

Where does the buck stop?

Do you listen to Rush?

Are you a member of a cult?

By Peter

April 27, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Well it appears that Jim Wooten was “WRONG” this AM…..looks like the Republican party and George Bush are actually Soft!

“Our partners in the six-party talks are patient but our patience is not unlimited,” Bush said after talks with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

Under a deal reached in February, North Korea pledged to start shutting its Yongbyon nuclear reactor by April 14 in return for energy aid and security assurances. But that deadline passed without implementation of the deal.

Some Japanese officials are worried about an apparent softening of Washington’s stance towards North Korea that led to the agreement.

Wow the Japanese are worried about America being SOFT………but hey how many wars can you start and fight at the same time!

By Van

April 27, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Peter,

Wrong, Florida Supreme court was overturned by a 7-2 vote.

By Chris

April 27, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Bush was not appointed President. He won after all of the recounts. The Supreme Court voted that the recount votes stood. Still cannot get over it can you? I guess you believe in man-made global warming as well huh?

Anyway… So getalife, you assume that I am uneducated and that you are the almighty with the answers? i am not saying that the effort in Iraq was perfect but you do not abandon a project that you started. You learn from your mistakes and make them better. Do you not see that if we leave now, these people that want to kill us will regroup there and plan more attacks against us? What is so hard to understand about that?

By Chris

April 27, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Oh my last post made sense huh? Make mistakes, learn from them and make them better. Of course, you all know I meant to say that you learn from your mistakes and then do a btter job - not just abandon your project all together.

By ARTC

April 27, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

This moderate Republican will never, ever again vote for a candidate that kow tows too, sucks up to, or in any way patronizes the right wingers. In 6 short years the wingwacks have destroyed the party. The right wing has also become a magnet for every xenophobe, ethnocentrist, and nativist looking for a place to find legitimacy to practice racism and bigotry. The Republican party cannot afford to alienate even one constituency in this country and maintain viability. Moderate Republicans and true conservatives should declare total war on the right wing and keep it up until their influence is totally purged from the party.

By Najeh Davenpoop

April 27, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Jim, I don’t normally comment on this blog, but reading your statements about the police I feel the need to do so. I really hope I am misinterpreting your comment about “cops working part time jobs”, but if that is meant to be sympathetic to the corrupt officers of the APD who manufactured a warrant out of a series of lies before killing a 92 year old woman, I seriously have to question your judgement. If that’s not what you are referring to, I apologize. But regardless of whether Kathryn Johnson was opening fire or not, the fact that the cops were even in that situation was a result of lies and corruption, if your paper is accurate in its reporting. I don’t think holding our tax-supported police officers accountable for their integrity is something that should be divided along party lines.

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Chris - you are asking getalife - the quintessential American liberal - i.e. socialist - to use logic. That is a metaphysical impossibility. What liberals want, in their twisted way, is political victory. That is all they care about. The only way they see to secure that victory is military DEFEAT in Iraq.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Now isn’t this precious…..a Republican acting like a Republican…..

we should all be for creating more HATE…..

Has anyone asked the liberals who is going to pay for enforcing these “hate crime” laws? We’re certainly going to jam up our court systems with a bunch of sissies with hurt feelings this way! Way to go Libs! And what are you going to do when you can’t call the Hate Hannity Hotline and spew profanities and insults anymore? Huh, Libs?

That is truly wonderful….Hate your neighbor while you still CAN!!!!!!

By getalife

April 27, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Chris,

I never claimed I have all the answers. I am informed and started researching the why Iraq question when w cut and run from obl in Tora Bora. BTW, there is a book on that too.

I have concluded that the Iraq occupation is to to get their oil for big oil and feed the military industrial monster.

The mistake was to occupy Iraq for these purposes and leave obl to regroup in Pakistan planning his next attack.

The nonsense of following us home was used in Vietnam and did not happen.

I also follow the lies spewed by the Bushies and there are too many to list.

By Chris

April 27, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

I agree with you 100% Truthsayer. That is basically my point exactly. What a bunch of wussies the Liberals are!

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

ARTC - Please don’t go around calling yourself a Republican. I don’t imagine that you have ever voted Republican in your life. I have met too many people like you who claimed to be Republicans yet were huge political fans of people like Jane Fonda and Ted Turner. Please define “radical right” and “moderate”. I imagine that your definition of “moderate” is Hillary Clinton.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Chris,

That liberal crap you spew, shows your ignorance.

There are no liberals in the White House.

The buck stops with w. Period.

Liberals are not destroying this country.

That is intellectual cowardice spewed by drug addicts like Rush.

How about an honest debate Chris?

Are you capable of not being an idiot and blaming the libs or are you just another ignorant wingnut?

By Peter

April 27, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Chris states….”I guess you believe in man-made global warming as well huh?”

Answer YES Chris…I do…….

It is a combination of allot of things……Black tar on the roads, forests gone, much pollution from cars and factories, along with coal burning plants.

Is your head in the sand? Perhaps you are looking for oil?

By Van

April 27, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Chris,

Imagine, having to enact laws so bad words and bad thoughts are banished.

What ever happened to “Stick and stones…”?

BTW, for all the kool-aide drinking liberals and those in mid-town -

The United States Supreme Court voted 7–2 to end the recount on the grounds that differing standards in different counties constituted an equal protection violation, and 5–4 that no new recount with uniform standards could be conducted within the time available.

Get your talking points correct, not some wacky idea pulled out of your a**.

By Southern Democrat

April 27, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Good Friday afternoon to my friends on this blog. I’ve been away traveling for both business and pleasure and haven’t dropped by for a while. I see that at least the hostility of some of the posters has remained constant.

I watched the South Carolina debates last night and was encouraged to listen to the candidates flesh out some actual sustainable policy initiatives. I hope that a clear winner is declared early in each primary and then we can determine who the best person is. I think that ‘08 will be a good election for our country.

A few points: FDR and Harry Truman would beg to differ with the ignorant statements regarding Democrats and wartime leadership.

Dusty and others are propping up Cpl. Tillman as much as some leftists are. The problem is, based upon a close friend who played ball with Tillman, his motives were much more akin to Harry Reid’s than Dick Cheney’s. That’s just a fact.

Sociologists have consistently demonstrated that communities who commute via mass transit are more stable, the people are happier, and there is more civic pride (see last week’s New Yorker for a great piece on comparing commutes in America with disturbing stories from our fair city). Conservatives fear losing their island of anger in which they can listen to Rush. Ride the train or bus and read the newspaper… it’s amazing what you’ll conclude when you think for yourself.

By ARTC

April 27, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer, you,re full of rushshi#! And if you don’t believe that disaffected moderate republicans, true conservatives, and republican leaning independents were not sending you right wing lunatics a message in 06, you are dumber than a box of rocks. But good try moron. Rovian type attacks don’t affect nor scare true conservatives anymore. We’ve all had enough of you right wingers and we will rid the party of your influence.

By getalife

April 27, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

lyingliar,

Which part of there is no military victory in Iraq do you not understand?

Where is the surge in diplomacy?

There is none.

This defeat belongs to w and his pathetic party.

Deal with it, own it, its yours.

By Richard

April 27, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Ah, poor little Chris. He sits in a wheelchair all day and wants to moan and cry about the liberals. Waaaa, Waaaa, Waaaaa.

So, you’re not doing anything to actually help the country - you’re just living off it. We’d be alot better off if you took a long roll off a short pier.

By harold

April 27, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

the Chris is just a troll. practically nobody is that stuppid

unless it is Dubya pretending to be a troll. he IS proven to be that stupid.

By James Carville

April 27, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Why don’t we just cut to the chase Truthsayer? Nominate the wingnut’s dream candidate, Newt Gingrich. That’ll be the acid test won’t it? My guess is that Newt gets beat by one of the widest margins in presidential electoral history. And why? Because mainstream America is sick and damn tired of being held hostage by you knuckle draggers on the right that want to dictate how everybody else in this country should be livin. You got the stones for that Truthsayer. It would definately tell the tale now wouldn’t it?

By Chris

April 27, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

getalife, I should have realized what I was dealing with when I read your first post. Blood for Oil is your mantra. That is such a damned joke. Are you even serious?

By Peter

April 27, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Have you ever noticed the “Right Wingers” just love to call names when they are called out?

Wussies has been used quite a few times today…..of course when you really don’t have anything to defend in a rational way, why not call names!

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Peter - I would refer you to James Carville’s post at 1:17 and then I will say that liberals are much worse name-callers than conservatives and thus are a bunch of hypocrites. You also lie.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Hey to Chris, Dusty, and all the “Smart” Right Wingers out there……..what is BUSH going to do about this situation here at home?

Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital, a Darien, Conn. brokerage firm that specializes in overseas investments, said the consumer spending will not be able to continue due to the problems in the housing sector, the continue growth in the trade gap and the nation’s negative savings rate, where consumers are consistantly spending more than their after-tax income.

“I think this report is even weaker than the numbers suggest,” Schiff said. “Home equity loans have been financing all this consumer spending. We’re just at the beginning of the housing slump. Housing is going to collapse, and when it does it’s going to take the rest of the economy with it.”

Do you honestly believe after the mess George Bush and his administration has made of this country, we are going to have Republican leadership running the government after the next election?

By DebbieDoRight

April 27, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Catlady: What portion of Ga. tax dollars is going towards HOPE? Please explain.

By Chris

April 27, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Richard, As they say, if the shoe fits wear it-you are a dick as your name suggests…Anyway, I digress. What part of my post other than the fact that I mentioned I was in a wheelchair did you get that I was living off of the dole of the country. You could never be farther from the truth. Number 1, I do not have to answer to you, number 2, I do not live off of the government dole, and number 3, I am not crying about anything.
Oh yeah, and number 4 a lot is two words not 1.
If I were in front of you, I would politely punch you squaw in da nuts! Then I would run over you in my wheelchair. I made the comment about my wheelchair, because someone accused me of not joining the military. I can’t join numbnuts! I can’t use my legs.

See, we went from talking about the war to picking on a guy in a wheelchair. I have probably accomplished more in my short life than you have ever imagined doing before you were even squirming around in your daddy’s pants!

By Captain Freedom

April 27, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Still hiding behind a screen name, eh truthsayer? afraid of people knowing who you really are?

I am proud to be known far and wide as Captain Beaureard Stonewall Freedom. You can look me up. My exploits are well known by those wh know them. And you, truthsayer, are my beeyotch.

And no, Chris does not have his head in the sand. Rather, it is placed far deeper away where the sun shall never shine, and where he would shatter his own teeth with a good fart. Fairly impressive, in fact, when you consider the obstacle the wheelchair creates.

By Zeke

April 27, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

I have not one problem in the world calling you names. How about Ostrich? Since you live with your head in the sand. But wait. In your case I’m willing to take it one step further. In order not to be insulting to the Ostrich why don’t I just call you Dookie Bird? Rather appropriate since your head is about 2 feet up your rectum.

By peter

April 27, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Peter - I would refer you to James Carville’s post at 1:17 and then I will say that liberals are much worse name-callers than conservatives and thus are a bunch of hypocrites. You also lie.

HA HA HA…….. Well when I lie nobody gets KILLED! HA HA HA ….

Boy you are a tough guy!

By les

April 27, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

By the way, where did all you liberals get all your defining facts about anything. Drive-by media? Or maybe you were acutally there? You call some idiots and stupid. You read propaganda and call it the facts. Name one good democratic president? I am sure I can make him sound worse than President Bush.

By Chris

April 27, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Oh touché Capn Freedom. What is the deal here? Do you take me to be a liberal or something? My head is on my shoulders where it belongs.

Man you guys need to go back to elementary school with all of your insults and such. Boy, now I can see why the AJC’s subscription list is dwindling ever so steadily.

By DebbieDoRight

April 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Florida Supreme court was overturned by a 7-2 vote

WRONG. Overturned by a 5-4 vote; along political leanings, (Scalia, Thomas, et al voting Republican, etc.)

By Zeke

April 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

In case there is any doubt in your neanderthal mind Truthsayer, my post at 1:33 was all for you sweetpea. You pitiful little panty wetter.

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater,

If you are not able to analyze anyone’s speech, please ask your teacher and not conservatives to do it for you. Thank you.

Southern Democrat @ 1:06,

I don’t know anyone who played ball with Pat Tillman and I don’t know anything about his politics.

All I know is he acted like a patriot, performed like a patriot, and died for his country.

He does not need any “propping up” by anyone as you have suggested.

By Ashley

April 27, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Hey les,

Did you really use the phrase “drive by media” while you were accusing others of not thinking for themselves? Now that’s what I call irony.

By Steve

April 27, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

I’m a little surprised that this incident, from Austin, Texas, isn’t a bigger deal. Then again, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.

A package left at a clinic that performs abortions contained an explosive device that investigators said Thursday could have been deadly.

The incident came just days after a national abortion group alerted providers around the country to an increased risk of violence.

The device, found in a duffle bag Wednesday, “was configured in such a way to cause serious bodily injury or death,” said David Carter, assistant chief of the Austin Police Department.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a pattern — when abortion makes headlines, violent activists are apparently more likely to attack. Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation, noted that there have been 93 attempted bombings and arson committed during times that abortion issues were prominent in the news.

Of course, in this case, recent headlines have been about a Supreme Court ruling that undermined abortion rights, which one would assume made the violent activists happy, but apparently, it doesn’t matter. The criminals seem to react with, “Oh yeah, abortion, haven’t thought about that in a while. Let’s go wreak some havoc.”

Scott Lemieux predicts, “I’m guessing this will go down the same memory hole as the hundreds of packets of anthrax sent to abortion clinics after 9/11. On a related note, Feministe calls this “terrorism.” I’m hard pressed to think of another name for it.

Had that bomb been found outside a post office or a school, the headlines would have been hysterically running on about ZOMG TERRORISM TERRORISM IS AL QAEDA INVOLVED? And the right-wing warbloggers would be p** their pants and hyperventilating about profiling Arabs and banning Muslims from public life and dhimmitude and how if they had been there, they’d have stopped it with their concealed carry and their extra-super special powers of righteousness, just like they saw in a movie once and BOMB IRAN! and 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING!!! but they still have better things to do than join the military, but they’ll be happy to go into the woods and hunt Russians and shout WOLVERINES!!

But it’s an abortion clinic, so. Ho-hum.

I should note that “ho-hum” does seem to apply to the media, though local officials seem to be taking this more seriously. Wednesday’s incident is being investigated by the regional Joint Terrorism Task Force, which is led by the FBI and includes Austin police.

But the broader points still seems valid. We’ve been accustomed to these kinds of attacks, we assume we know the perpetrators (at least the kind of people who leave bombs at medical clinics), and it happens often enough that it no longer seems shocking.

That, in and of itself, suggests a stunning tolerance for terrorism.

By Aquagirl

April 27, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Debbie,

I think catlady @ 11:51 was referring to the fact that HOPE, in paying tuition, fees, and book stipends for students, doesn’t cover the true cost of their attendance. She made a good point that HOPE students drop classes like crazy. This increases administrative costs disproportionately. Some of those students will take out taxpayer subsidized loans and grants to cover what’s not under HOPE. Poor students, in general, cost more.

But I’d maintain that HOPE uses 100% taxpayer money. I still haven’t heard an answer to the question, why is lottery money considered “free”? If the liquor tax money was being spent on boondoggle programs with the same success rate, people would howl.

And taxes aside, it’s never good to have slug students anywhere. Middle school, High School, pre-K, college, whatever. There is quite a bit of entitlement feeling to getting a “B” average and being handed money.

The social effects are the real problem.

By Benen

April 27, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

If you’re just joining us, Rove’s office arranged 20 private briefings on Republican electoral prospects at 15 executive branch agencies, everything from NASA to HHS to the Small Business Administration to Homeland Security. At these briefings, Rove or one of his acolytes would explain to hundreds of federal employees, at their workplaces, exactly which Republican candidates were vulnerable and in need of support. The same briefings would emphasize which Democratic candidates were being targeted, and where the GOP challenger could use a hand. All of these briefings were held in government offices shortly before a congressional election, despite the Hatch Act, which prohibits political coercion of federal employees and use of federal resources — including office buildings — for partisan purposes.

With this in mind, consider Dana Perino’s response to an easy question on this.

Q: Okay, on the political briefings, there seems — there’s no shortage of political information out there. Why does the White House feel it’s necessary to give these employees these briefings in the first place?

PERINO: I think that’s kind of ridiculous question. I mean, there’s — sorry, I usually don’t say those things, but I do think that that one was. Look, there is nothing wrong with political appointees providing other political appointees with an informational briefing about the political landscape in which they are working….. [T]he reason that you’re here working for the President is that you want to support his policies and his agenda, and so it’s good to get information from time to time.

Think about how silly this really is. We’re talking about bureaucrats at 15 federal agencies, none of whom actually work in a “political landscape.” Are there really NASA employees who need to know which House Republicans are considered vulnerable by the NRCC? Do Treasury staffers need to know who the top Dem targets are? If so, why?

According to Perino, even asking is “ridiculous.” For the acting press secretary, the desperation is just getting started.

By catlady

April 27, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Deb, (thanks for asking) Each course taken by a student at the public institutions in Georgia is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers of Georgia. Tuition paid by the student or by HOPE pays only a part of the “bill” for putting on the class. Let’s be generous and say students (through tuition they pay or HOPE pays)pay 50% of the amount it costs to put on a class. That means that EACH student (not just HOPE scholars) is being subsidized by state taxpayers for the rest of the cost of producing the course. Different states charge students differing amounts of that cost (for example, for years North Carolina expected students to pay a very small percentage of that cost. The rest was borne by the taxpayers of that state). My arguement is that every instate student (HOPE or not) has part of their way being paid by the Georgia taxpayers. (Look at instate vs out of state tuition. Out of staters pay much closer to the true cost of the classes) Therefore, if HOPE (or anything else) is encouraging marginal students to attend college, this “free” program does have significant costs directly to the taxpayers. There are other costs involved, also, such as the cost of the employees at the state level who have to administer HOPE, as well as the college financial aid administrators. In the past, the college f.a. folks’ pay came out of the college budget, which also came from state taxpayers rather than HOPE money. Also, if marginal HOPE scholars (who are about to lose HOPE and leave) are taking up seats, the state is providing seats that are not really needed. So state taxpayers are being hit that way as well. Kids who can do it may not be able to get into courses because the places are being taken by those marginal students. And that increases how long it takes to complete a degree, which increases costs. There are other issues with HOPE that have financial implications on a more general scale, but the things above are what I was talking about earlier.

BTW, I am a big supporter of HOPE. It does a lot of good for a lot of people. I just have problems with folks who say it doesn’t cost us anything if marginal students lose HOPE and leave, because it DOES. The question is, is it worth the cost to the taxpayers to have this as such an easy-to-get award, or should our definition of a scholar be a little more demanding? Each person probably has their own answer to this question, but the discussion might be more fruitful if there was data examined to determine what is DOES cost.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I will have to say you are very cute with the “Peter Pumpkin eater” thing.

My teacher is everyone alive, as we are shown the truth by the actions and statements of others…..for instance we can lean on George Bush for more deep insight……..as evidence below.

“And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I’m sorry it’s the case, and I’ll work hard to try to elevate it.” —George W. Bush, interview on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007danece below…….

By ABS

April 27, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Chris, To answer your question…I went to lunch because I was hungry, not because I was scared of you.

And, I don’t think I’ve ever been called a “homey” before…many more things, but never that.

Okay, point number one…at your post at 12:27 you said, “I guess you run to lunch because you can’t argue my very valid points!”

Well, my answer to you is…you simply didn’t make any VALID points. You were merely a cheerleader for the wingnuts. You made no points at all, you just spewed your ignorant opinion. I say your ignorant opinion based on the observations of such comments as in your 8:21 post “Bin Laden did not attack us; the people that hijacked the planes attacked us. Their twisted ideology attacked us.”

Sorry, Chris, that is just plain ignorant and as getalife said earlier, you are willfully ignorant on the points of the Iraqi war.

You did say something about don’t start a project you can’t finish (or something like that), and I can say…yes, you are right about that, BUT, the problem there is….our project is finished in Iraq.

We went into Iraq under the false pretenses of Saddam Hussein having WMD, guess what? Weren’t there….so, the plan changed…to save face, Bush decided that we had to overthrow the evil dictator…guess what? We did that…Saddam Hussein is dead!

Let me tell you something about federal projects because believe it or not, that is something I know about. Anybody who applies for and is awarded federal money for ANYTHING…must first apply and in the application prove that the money they are asking for is for the good of the nation (that is very general), but second, if they are actually awarded that money…they are held ACCOUNTABLE for that money and are held under contract to produce what they said they would produce.

Guess what? If they don’t produce what they said they would the money gets cut, and they loose their job.

So one of my many problems with Bush is that has never been held accountable for any of the blunders in this war and his complete failings in foreign policy. The Republican Congress of old has just given him blank checks to fund this debacle of a war, but yet, anyone else who asks for federal money is held accountable for the outcome.

The problem now is that even with a Democratic Congress, not too much is going to change. That was evident yesterday. Unfortunately, the Congress does not have as much power as they think. They do not have a big enough majority to overturn vetoes which will keep happening because Bush will not sign anything that holds him accountable. So, until certain moderate Republicans wake up, or other Republicans are voted out of office by the American population who are sick of the countless mistakes of this administration, I’m afraid that not much will change.

By Jack

April 27, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

The HOPE does not cover everything but it saved our family a ton of money. The marginal students who drop out of HOPE and use gov’t loans doesn’t cost us anymore because they would have used the gov’t loans either way.

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Peter Peter pumpkin eater @2:12

Please don’t ask “everyone alive” to analyze every speech for you. Your teacher is enough. You will learn a lot from the president if she can help you. You seem to be stuck on simple right now. Sorry about that.

By ABS

April 27, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Another thing….

I heard some news people, pundits, whatever, talking yesterday about how there is going to be a bloodbath if we leave Iraq, but in my opinion, that is going to happen no matter what and there is nothing we can do about it. It happened after Vietnam, it has in other situations, and it’s going to happen in Iraq. We can leave tomorrow or ten years from now and it’s still going to happen.

By harold

April 27, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

harold asserts that lotto money has supplanted rather than ehnahced tax money going to educations, so it should get treated like tax moneys. the tax money that used to get spent on education is now spent on other crap becasue the lortery pays for education

thus it should be accountable all the same just like it was directly a tax

the lottery didnt do anythign for education. it just freed up money for other things like the fat cats at the GDOT and freinds to line their pockets with

By Jane

April 27, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

The Democrats are sick and tired of Americans dying for people of Color. Somalias were not worth American lives, Rwandans were not worth American lives, and Arabs are not worth American lives. If they want to kill each other so be it.

By E. T.

April 27, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, perhaps you could consider that state patrol officials don’t comment about too few troopers on the highways because if they did they might lose their jobs for bringing up a sad truth. The State Patrol is badly understaffed. If the department were able to hire, train and deploy another 400 troopers then cities and counties could concentrate their efforts on their own streets and not have to patrol interstates.

By Yogi Berra

April 27, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Putin: “Russia will counter U.S. missile shield”.

It’s deja vu all over again!

By Peter

April 27, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Dear Dusty the insight you bring to the table is absolutly marvelous……..you remind me of a guy in Washington who believes a purple dinosaur is backing him!

“I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.” —George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq.

Keep up the good work!

By Amelia

April 27, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Good point Yogi. Another Vietnam going on and now here comes another cold war. Have the ole boys gotten together and decided to relive the good old days?

By Atlanta Hawks #1 Fan

April 27, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

I’m a Republican who voted for Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr and ran for public office. It’s time to end this war in Iraq and bring home our troops. We have sacrificed enough blood to liberate these countries. We should focus on solving the problems that exist in our country like public education, social security, and homeland security.

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By Peter

April 27, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Hey Dusty…….here is what our president says about being the Leader of our Great Country!

“I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake.” —George W. Bush, on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006

Makes me feel wonderful to know his days are numbered in office!!!!!!!

By The Truth Hurts

April 27, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Dusty wrote: I am so glad that brought up Pat Tillman’s name again.

Dusty, I’m so glad you just brought it up, too. You also wrote: I said CORRECTIONS WERE MADE. Do you know what that means. Something was wrong so they “corrected it”? The family was told what happened when the facts were verified.

You amaze me. CORRECTIONS WERE MADE AFTER THEY WERE CAUGHT LYING. It didn’t take 3 months to verify the facts. The facts were basically known that day. It has been verified that the leaders (4 Generals no less) knew about it and kept it quiet. Yet they withheld it from the family anyway.

You have no credibility because you will not admit when your side makes a mistake - even when it’s spelled out in front of you, under oath.

By jim d

April 27, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

The toughest thing about being dubya

“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” —George W. Bush, interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

By catlady

April 27, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Jack, those loans cost us money. First, we SUBSIDIZE the interest on most of them. The banks make out like bandits. Second, those who get them get a tax break when they go to pay them back. Third, some of the folks who take them out and don’t graduate don’t pay them back and so we pay for the government to pursue payment of them (and we pay if there is a true default). These are costs to us all on the national level. See earlier discussion about costs to state taxpayers.

Harold, catlady would like to tell you that you are entirely correct about HOPE supplanting some state educational aid. For example, see Tom Mortensen’s work which analyzes the precipitous drop in SSIG funds allocated by Georgia before and after HOPE.

Nothing is FREE.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Hey Dusty, now I realize why we haven’t caught Bin Laden……

“Because he’s hiding.” —George W. Bush, responding to a reporter who asked why Osama bin Laden had not been caught, aboard Air Force One, Jan. 14, 2005

Duhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!

By James (P.E.)

April 27, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

“A tax cut is really one of the anecdotes to coming out of an economic illness.”

• George W. Bush September 18, 2000 Spoken while a guest on the CBS show “The Edge With Paula Zahn”.

By catlady

April 27, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

About Mr. Wooten’s first point in his post: why does he say we shouldn’t get into the MARTA financing for 15 years (and then 15 more) into the future but he seems to support one of the political groups who continue to amass debt for our children and grandchildren to repay (the federal debt)? I sure didn’t get to okay that, either.

By Mike

April 27, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

“I can’t sell this to Joe Public.”

George W. Bush Responding to a pre-war WMD presentation by then Deputy Director of the CIA, John McLaughlin. George Tenet, also in the room, responded by exclaiming, “It’s a slam dunk…” — but personally, I think Bush’s comment is more significant. Throwing any sense of integrity out the window, yes-man Tenet was merely trying to make his boss happy. His boss? George W. “I can’t sell this to Joe Public” Bush.

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Peter - My guess is that Will Rogers never met you, did he?

By James (P.E.)

April 27, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

“A family in Allentown, Pennsylvania — I campaigned with them the other day … Under my plan, they get $1,800 of tax relief. Under Vice President Gore’s plan, they get $145 of tax relief. Now you tell me who stands on the side of the fence.”

• George W. Bush October 3, 2000 First Presidential Debate in Boston, Massachusetts.

By peter

April 27, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Ok Truthsayer……I guess he met you, and you became best of pals…. HA HA HA……

By Killin' Time

April 27, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

The other day when discussing higher education, a guy named Kelly posted that he knew a guy who lied about having a Bachelor of Science degree from the University of Georgia to get jobs (and customers) and got away with it. Frustrated that this person was getting away with such deception, Kelly wrote, facetiously, that we should all just skip the classes and expenses and follow his friend’s deceptive lead.

Following up on Kelly’s post, here’s an excerpt from an article in today’s NYTimes:

“Marilee Jones, the dean of admissions at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, became well known for urging stressed-out students competing for elite colleges to calm down and stop trying to be perfect. Yesterday she admitted that she had fabricated her own educational credentials, and resigned after nearly three decades at M.I.T. Officials of the institute said she did not have even an undergraduate degree.”

“Ms. Jones, 55, originally from Albany, had on various occasions represented herself as having degrees from three upstate New York institutions: Albany Medical College, Union College and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. In fact, she had no degrees from any of those places, or anywhere else, M.I.T. officials said.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/us/27mit.html

Fascinating.

By Peter

April 27, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Truthsayer……looks like you boy George is ready to tackle new Democracies around the world…….

The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany.” —George W. Bush, D.C., May 5, 2006

We all hope he succeeds!

By Peter

April 27, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer…..any comments about what Catlady wrote oat 3:18??

No comments from the Politically WRONG ??????

By SB

April 27, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Last week in the town of Lewiston, Maine, a group of Somalian Muslim middle school students were the subject of a prank when their peers placed a ham steak next to them in order to personally offend the students. School officials filed a report because the students considered the act to be a hate/bias crime.

This actual story was then spoofed by a parody site called Associated Content, which made up quotes and details, such as the school’s intention to “create an anti-ham ‘response plan.’”

On Tuesday, Fox & Friends reported these parody quotes and details as actual news. Poking fun at the students, hosts asked whether ham was “a hate crime…or lunch?” and showed screen shots of ham sandwiches, starving Somalians, belching, animal noises, and mock “reenactments” of the incident. Ironically, the hosts assured viewers several times, “We’re not making this up!”

Well, no, Fox & Friends wasn’t making it up, someone else was making it up. FNC was just passing it along as real news.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/224065/studentleaveshamsandwichon_lunch.html

By jbmlaw

April 27, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie @ 1:38, Van was correct, you err, 7-2. JP Stevens and R B Ginsburg - perhaps surprisingly - voted with the majority opinion, finding the equal protection violation. Dissents were Souter (a Republican) and Breyer (a Democrat). http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html

Welcome back, Southern Democrat, we missed you. And welcome to Chris - you handled yourself pretty well. Not much substance on the blog today, but you kept the moonbats in place.

By RJ

April 27, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Some headlines from The Onion:

By C.W. Odessa

April 27, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Chris wrote “Bin Laden did not attack us…You must have attended a government school!”

Yeah Chris…good job, buddy.

By Chuck

April 27, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Democrats gain control of Congress after they promised they were going to shape changes in everything from how much we pay at the pump to increasing domestic blue collar/working class jobs. Now that the Democrats have entered the real world, they have realized that controlling fuel prices or luring companies like Nike back from China is not as easy as it sounded while shouting on a soap box to a bunch of uneducated ignorant sheeple. Ringling clowns can’t back pedal faster than these Democrats. When that reality is met and their eyes are opened to the real world, the moonbats always whip out the buck stops at the Prez desk card. You mean Speaker Pelosi really isn’t running things in Washington? Boy the media and the wingnuts on the wacky left sure had me fooled. When something positive and productive happens, they’ll take full credit for it naturally. What phonies.

By Old Retired Physics Teacher

April 27, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Chris wrote “Bin Laden did not attack us…You must have attended a government school!”

jbmlaw wrote “And welcome to Chris - you handled yourself pretty well. Not much substance on the blog today, but you kept the moonbats in place.”

If you two are the best the Republicans can produce, I have no concerns about the Republicans ever winning anything again.

By cranky old man

April 27, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

The problem with our strategy in Iraq is that the majority of Iraqis are unlikely to ever really want the form of democracy we are tying to impose upon them. If you ask them, most will say they want freedom, and the Kurds and Shia will tell you they are thrilled that Saddam is gone. But what do you suppose most Iraqis would answer if given the following options on an anonymous survey:

A. Pure democratic government with strictly enforced minority rights and anti-corruption enforcers who can’t be bribed.

B. Institionalized political dominance and complete control of all security forces by my sect, along with government jobs (which include bribe money for either doing my job, or ignoring it, depending on the situation).

My guess, for what it’s worth, would be that most of them would choose option B. They don’t trust each other (with good reason), and they are scared to death of one of the other factions gaining control. For what it’s worth, I’ve spoken to Iraqis, both in Baghdad and further south in the Shia dominated areas. I spent May ‘05 through May ‘06 over ther with the National Guard as an Arabic translator in Military Intelligence (I’m not a native Arabic speaker. I learned it at the Defense Language Institute back in the 90’s.)

So, given that reality, where does that leave the U.S.? If we stay, the bloodbath continues. If we leave, the bloodbath turns to genocide. No great options either way. I certainly understand the sentiment of those who think the adminstration began with the assumption that we need to invade Iraq, and then slanted the intelligence estimates and rigged the debate to ensure we would end up with that conclusion. Just be careful not to let an understandable desire to punish the administration cause you to automatically discount any options.

By Dusty

April 27, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Well, I just got back and it is closing time here. Almost diiner time also.

But..Truth Hurts @ 2:56…You sound just like getalife. Strange, isn’t it?

OH…just a reminder. Someone please lead our boy Peter home because he might get lost. He will be “analyzing” the situation and never make it. Thank you and good night.

By WootenDull

April 28, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

I’m curious, if George Bush is responsible for each and every action of our soldiers at every level, why wouldn’t Shirley Franklin be the one responsible for Kathryn Johnston’s shooting instead of the cops?

{{{THE KATHRYN JOHNSTON SHOOTING: Questions but few answers- Urinal}}}

Funny how these things work, ain’t it?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

If you’re struggling to get your life together, if you are fighting your demons and keeping that monkey off your back, living day by day, now is not the time and the Urinal is here to tell you why:

{{{Cocaine prices in the United States have dropped and the drug’s purity increased!!-Urinal}}}

No where did you leave that phone number?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

Look at how quickly Jessica Lynch has disappeared from the media’s radar screen, that one didn’t stick to Bush very well, huh?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{He also noted that Breck Girl Edwards elaborated later in the debate. And America (which America is that John, your’s or the real one?) needs to use the tools that are available to them so that these people who are sitting on the fence, who terrorists are trying to recruit, the next generation, get pushed to our side, not to the other side. We’ve had no long-term strategy, and we need one, and I will provide one.”}}}

He just can’t tell us what that strategy is.

Makes you feel safe……if you’re a terrorist.

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By ghost rider

April 28, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You are all agog over the Dow reaching a new record!!!! Do you happen to know what the Dow was when Bill Clinton took office? Do you happen to know what the Dow was when Clinton left office? The answer to the last part is 10,940…The answer to the first part 3310. Now are you all giddy? Do the math.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Look at the resident rodent liberal ID poofer get all p!ssy about the Dow. Hey SH!TFERBRAINS: are you pansyassed mangy mongrels on the left going to be this negative if one of your fellow Sewer RATs moves into the White House in 2009? Methinks not. Worthless human garbage.

By Corn Shucker

April 28, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

No US citizen should ever agree to an amendment voted on by long dead legislators. Every single member of congress responsible for the Right to Bear Arms was killed long ago by duels, hunting accidents (cheney’s brewing threat?), or crazed college kids on breath-disentitling HOPE scholarships.

Harry Reid’s assessment of the Iraq War is as simplistic as Bush’s. There exists not one reality-based version of the truth about Iraq’s future as a democracy, plutocracy, oligarchy, or Al Queda Gay Men’s Choir Summer Camp.

Google the Kurds today. Read for two minutes. You’ll know what’s dead ahead for Iraq.

Have we set our troops in the middle of a civil war? No. A civil war implies that the factions are polarized into clearly defined causes. Iraq’s Ethno-Sectarian Conflict has modern rivalries that intersect more ancient liasons so that at any time, allegience is dubious.

We can baby sit the Iraqis with mercenaries. Lets deploy our mercenaries over there so they cant be deployed over here. Mercenaries have a defacto license to kill. If anyone will follow our withdrawing army here from Iraq, it will be those loose, but lucrative cannons. Too bad this happened under the nose of the reactionary right’s reflexive rendering of rote rhetoric like “support the troops”. Support the troops? What troops? The mercenaries number as many as our army, thank Allah they’re in Iraq.

Have you seen the administration dance? Bush’s voodoo mask/monkey-faced Conga-Clog perfectly matched Rove’s spastic Rap-Rumba, (was Cheney shooting at Rove’s feet?).

Dancing with the Boers?

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

OOOPS. Butterfingers! I forgot to add that the Dow during the Clintoon years was largely chasing IT paper profits. That bubble blew up after the biggest non-event that never happened, Y2K. Kinda like the housing burst now.

Speaking of that, take note how the filthy dirtbags on the left never acknowledged the record home ownership over the past few years. Nope. What do these pantywaste liberals say? LOOK! Home ownership is falling! LOOK! People are having record foreclosures!

Little do these pathetic fleabags on the left realize that a LOT of those loans were to people who under traditional loan practices would NOT have had been granted a loan. (That’s people with less than good credit and financial backing to you blue haired liberal demoncat freaks in Virginnie Highlands).

Just a friendly reminder for all that the disease of liberalism and how staying constantly negative in life is really a disease, not a mental disorder.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Damn. I’ll wake up.

(That’s people with less than good credit and financial backing to you blue haired liberal demoncat freaks in Virginnie Highlands… in other words, your Class AAAAA demoncat voter constituent).

By Peter

April 28, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Thank you Dusty for making the last sweet comment about me……it definitely seems a good time to analyze our situation and not follow a political leader just because he says so………lemmings!

The proof is in the statements, and here is another for you to ponder!

“I’ve been in politics long enough to know that polls just go poof at times.” —George W. Bush, Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007

HA HA HA…….. Looks like it makes sense! HA HA HA……

By sharris

April 28, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Like the late Ms. Johnston, I can assure you that if you kick my door down, you will get shot.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

“I’ve been in politics long enough to know that polls just go poof at times.”

Leadership is not following polls to make decisions… or campaign speeches. If our Founding Fathers wanted the “People” to run this nation, we’d have been nothing but a bunch of anarchists that would have lasted about as long as hippyassed liberal freaks at Woodstock.

The sheer stupidity of liberalism never fails to amaze me.

By Corn Shucker

April 28, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

So you think you can dance, Mr. Bush, (and Mr. Rove)? At least Imus kept his foot in his mouth.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

“I’ve been in politics long enough to know that polls just go poof at times.”

Yet to the disease of liberalism, Jimmy “Mr. 29% approval rating” Carter was the greatest president in the history of America.

You just have to love the gift of diseased liberal demoncats “contributing” to this blog.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

“Deputy Sec Of State Resigns… Was Client Of DC Escort Service”

And I thought the State Dept. were not on top of things.

I was wondering where the “surge” in diplomacy was and know I know.

Seiously folks, I remember a time when cover ups like the Tillman, Haditha, Ganzo, WMD’s, etc… forced people to resign like Nixon.

Are wingnuts okay with cover ups and blatent lies now?

By Peter

April 28, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Hey Corn Shucker…..not dancing with the Boers……..they are actually dancing with the Bin Ladens…….heck they are the Saudi Oil………and the entire Bush family will participate…….

“Remember oil is thicker than American Blood!”

Our president has been “Brilliant”…the chaos he has created has left the world markets unstable…. go fill up your car today……proof is at the pumps!

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

I went to a party last night and met a guy and his new wife who is from Argentina (that’s Jimmy Carter’s favorite nation for you tongue pierced unemployed punkassed liberals in Little Five Points). She left the nation last year.

Anyway, she could speak English but it was very broken, but I was able to carry on a conversation about Chevez with her. She thought he was going to ruin that nation as well as the entire region. She talked about not having what we have in choices, especially at grocery stores. She talked about how a relative couldn’t make money as a farmer due to government price controls. In addition, she mentioned that Chevez was going to control the media in Argentina as well. Now precisely how in the hell he plans on doing that with the internet is anyone’s guess.

Ok, this is the type of world that Jimmy Carter, Cindy Sheephead, and other sick liberal demoncats on the left think is great and would be great for America.

Gee. I can’t wait for your “leadership” again Jimmy.

By @@

April 28, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Irresponsible teen parents?

Jim, allow me to re-create, in words, a picture that is equally as questionable.

My church offers our facilities only, to a county BOE program. The BOE provides daycare/staff to teen Moms so they can complete their high school education. I have no problem with the program. I promoted it. I support it 100%.

Recently our congregation was asked if we could come up with $140 minimum for a graduating senior in the program who couldn’t afford the “graduating expenses”.

Graduating expenses? Didn’t this young lady already pay? Didn’t she succeed under difficult circumstances? Didn’t we, as a congregation, already pay for shelter and utility costs? Didn’t the taxpayers already pay for the program itself?

We easily came up with the funds, but too easily in my opinion. I offered another solution that wasn’t well-received. Mine rarely are. I caved…I gave.

The $140 paid for a chair on the field, a paper cap & gown, a tassle, and her diploma. If there was anything else, I remain unaware.

This young lady would have been better served by us, if we had stood with her when she carried a lawn chair to sit in, bought a white tissue table cloth that she turned into a poncho, a hat of her choosing with the word “graduate” on it; a little gold tassle, which can be purchased at any fabric store Jim.

We could have cheered “her” success when she marched up to that podium and “requested” from the BOE, the diploma she already earned.

But then that’s just me Jim.

There’s a right way and a wrong way to do things. There’s the hard way, and then there’s the easy way.

I recall my high school graduation. I showed them the a$$ that they had held captive in their desks for 12 years. It was “mine” and I owned it now.

In “hindsight”……..hmmmmmmmmmmm?

See ‘ya Jim.

By Chief Wingnut

April 28, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

As spokesman for the Wingnut Nation, I’m tired of the lies. For this reason I demand that getalife, being the biggest liar on the blog, resign immediately and surrender her keyboard.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

What’s this? Saudi Arabia broke a massive terrorist plot to hijack airliners and crash them into oil fields?

I thought Bush & Co. were just making all this threat of islamofacsism up so he could get that oil and scare the world into submission of Bushism (whatever the hell that is… acting like a liberal demoncat and kissing demoncat @ss instead of b!tchslapping those political w*******???).

Remember, there’s nothing to see here. Move along. Keep on keepin’ on. Whistle past that graveyard.

Sickassed liberals.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Ah, the good ole days of the Dow with Clinton. We had Health insurance, we had high pay, we had jobs and job security, we had Internet stocks splitting with record profits.

We had peace and prosperity.

Yep, the good ole days.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

I tried to get the girl from Argentina to f*ck me up the a$$ with a dildo, but she couldn’t understand english all of a sudden.

I’ll have to get off some other weay.

By Peter

April 28, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Hey Truthsayer……there might have been a small amount of truth to your statement…..then Markus came along and shot that theory to Hell!

By Truthsayer

April 27, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Peter - I would refer you to James Carville’s post at 1:17 and then I will say that liberals are much worse name-callers than conservatives and thus are a bunch of hypocrites. You also lie.

Maybe he is a touch angry this AM….well after reading his last statement, only he understands his frustrations…..perhaps some prozac might help!

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

“We had Health insurance,”

WTF happened gitmo, lose your job? I’ve had health insurance since Nixon.

“we had high pay,”

I make more now than I did 10 years ago, as does just about EVERY FREAKING PERSON I KNOW. What are you gitmo, a sorryassed loser who b*** about going to work? Or are you retired and that’s your FRIENDS talking because they were too stupid or spent to much effin’ money on pot since the 1960s?

“we had jobs and job security,”

Yep, with that “world” economy you diseased liberals touted so much during the Clintoon years, the chickens have come home to roost. Jobs are changing in America. Seamstress jobs have gone the way of the dinosaur just like horse carriage manufacturers. Adapt or live off the government and vote RAT.

“we had Internet stocks splitting with record profits.”

And people lost billions in the .com burst.

“We had peace and prosperity.”

No less than six major islamofascist terrorist attacks on American interests under Clintoon’s watch. Getting one’s pole smoked while not looking out the White House window does not mean that nothing bad is going on out there.

Please ‘scuse gitmo folks, the deranged liberal is our class clown who likes to get attention on this blog from time to time.

By Jigsaw

April 28, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Hello getalife. I want to play a game.

For months now, you have continued to soil this and other blogs with your wretched opinions about conservatives. You have reached within the inner reaches of your mind to expel liberal pollution the likes we’ve never seen, with no regard to flaws that exist within your own party. It is time for your redemption getalife. Although you managed to escape from Chris Hansen’s Dateline NBC investigation you cannot escape from yourself.

The key to your redemption on this blog is hidden in a place. A place where you least expect it……….over the rainbow.

Let the game begin.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

It’s been MONTHS since I’ve been namejacked! Always when gitmo is around, naturally.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Hey “Peter,” I’m not ready to make nice here to you sick diseased monkeys on the left.

“Who did you blow Jim to get on with the AJC.”

-RAT comment on this blog yesterday to Jim Wooten

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Since diseased liberal monkeys can only debate with “stop listening to Rush” comments, if I say anything Rush has said this week, someone please notify me.

Thanks.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

I am retired.

The record Dow now, is off the backs of the workers.

Corps were hiring not laying off.

CEO pay was high but now is ridiculous while they lay off. The middle class was doing very well.

I made major money in the .com era, it was easy money like now. You just got to know when to sell.

Here is a tip, invest in green.

By @@

April 28, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Careful there Markus. Getalife is “packing heat”.

He told me yesterday at ml’s…

If you can’t stand the heat…….

Knowing Getalife, I’m pretty sure it’s not a firearm he’s talking about.

Please….don’t “pull” that “trigger” Getalife. It could get “messy” over here at Jim’s place.

I’m off to work in the yard.

By drew

April 28, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

“If there’s trouble or threat, real or brewing, in the world, put a Republican in the White House.”

Yeah, right…just look how well W is handling it…BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!!

Stop it Jim…you’re cracking me up.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Jigsaw,

Um, huh?

By Corn Shucker

April 28, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Was bush doing the Disco Veto?

The one thing history teaches is that a war necessarily causes the interbreeding of cultures and politics. We occupy Iraq, they occupy our souls.

How Bush can hide behind “support the troops” when the issue is that he got us trapped in a 100 years war shows how mindless most rightwing dittos are. (Was bush dancing the ditto veto).

“Support the troops” is a slogan that has no meaning, nor does it have a justified derivation. It simply sounds right to the clouded miller time minds of clods who listen to RushnHannity. The Right’s radio hosts mimic each other like monotonous mantric metronomes keeping ignorance rowing at a steady pace like the merciless pounding dictated for Roman Slave Ships. (note how it’s nearly impossible to tell Rush from Boortz from Hannity. They’re bellowing hypnotic reverberations like hybrid Hummers nodding to faux echoes of ecological awareness or unlobbied copy).

Snap out of it, kids.

By Jigsaw

April 28, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You are need of redemption on this blog. Of course the record close is off the backs of workers, where else would it be? I’ll bet you weren’t complaining about that in the .com era were you?

This is why you have been selected for today’s game. A clue to help you find redemption is to stop blaming others and whining about conservatives.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

“The record Dow now, is off the backs of the workers.”

As it’s always been. Who the hell else is supposed to make it work, the effin’ gubmint?

“Corps were hiring not laying off.”

Take a peek at Monster.com and AJC jobs. Let me know what you see. Better yet, go to a college career day coming up soon at your nearest college. No hiring, eh gitmo?

“CEO pay was high but now is ridiculous while they lay off. The middle class was doing very well.”

The middle class moved up.

“I made major money in the .com era, it was easy money like now. You just got to know when to sell.”

Me too.

“Here is a tip, invest in green.”

I’ll pass.

Go back to bed gonzo gitmo.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

No @@,

It was all that whining about my Andy like personality.

I am still the same lovable guy you have known.

You said you wanted justice but the cover ups are not getting any accountability.

Are you okay with cover ups?

Do you love being lied to?

Please try again to answer these questions honestly.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry about me @@. I’ve been collecting guns since my grandfather gave me his German ivory-handled Luger he took off a Storm Trooper he put a nice hole in. I’m also an archer. Bows and crossbows are more stealthy.

By Chief Wingnut

April 28, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Clinton left our country’s economy in a recession and we were at war the whole time he was diddling in his office. He just thought if we didn’t fight back it would stop, just like you fools want to do now.

Resign from the blog, getalife. You’ve been exposed.

By Jigsaw

April 28, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Ignorance is not bliss in your case. If you do not know who I am, then do a wikipedia search idiot! disambiguation-4 rows up. Then and only then will you come face to face with your teacher.

Time is running out and you have not found the key.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Geez, you folks are still asleep.

Outsourcing, cheap labor, layoffs and stagnant wages are off the backs of the workers.

The middle class is in trouble.

Wake up.

By Dusty

April 28, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater,

I see you are up early reading the DNC propaganda reports. Today is going to be “oil” day for ANALYSIS I gather. Did you actually say @ 9:45 “Proof is in the pumpkin”? What a sense of humor!! You are a laugh a minute, Peter.

But I detect a touch of envy in your DNC reporting. A little bit of wealth woe maybe? The Bush family has been rich for quite a long time. I don’t think they got somebody to fly into New York skyscrapers so they could get more money. Remember that? Try hard now. It was 9/11. And that guy Osama bin Laden wanted to kill all of us? Yes, us as in USA.

Somehow I think the President might have gone to war for that reason. Try real hard now, Peter. It will come to you after while.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Let the record show that gonzo didn’t refute my links.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Jigsaw,

I do not care who you are.

I do not use wiki.

Geez.

Chief wingnut,

The world loves Bill Clinton.

There is reason for that, try to figure it out.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Do you ever wish you could suck your own cck? I do. That is one of my lifetime goals before I die. I’ve already fcked myself and screwed a chicken. Two down, one to go.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

I’ll let you know what I think of the “world” opinion of Clintoon Willy as soon as I get off the toilet.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Let the record show, I will not look at macaca’s links until you

Answer these two questions:

Are you okay with cover ups?

Do you love being lied to?

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Oh boy. Gitmojacker has gone off the deep end at 10:33. Those fact things must be going to gonzo’s head. Too bad one of MY posts happened at the same time. BUSTED AGAIN. Liberals. When they can’t debate, they menstruate.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

“Are you okay with cover ups?”

“Do you love being lied to?”

Since you @ssholes on the diseased monkeyassed left plead the 5th during AND AFTER the Clintoon years, I’ll do the same.

Oh yeah, has anyone in the Bush administration been convicted of outing a covert CIA operative yet?

Now go back to bed, gonzo.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Its not me idiot.

Answer the questions.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Frogs hate themselves. Well I would too if I had a big nose and bent over for islamofascism. So sad. Tens of thousands of Americans gave their lives for these wretched ingrates. At least they taught us how to cook beyond boiling meat and potatoes.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

And that is how you rule a blog.

I yield the the floor.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

“Its not me idiot.”

Liberal parrot response assigned to gitmo hotkey {CTRL}+{F4}

You just stick with RAT propoganda, gonzo. It’s all you got, as usual.

By Chief Wingnut

April 28, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

The world wants a weak America and Bill Clinton wants a weak America. What’s to figure out?

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

“This morning, your stocks are soaring higher than ever before in history. A new record today? But is this the thrill before the meltdown? What should you do this morning to protect your money?”

-Diane Sawyer, GMA, 04/27/07

Negative, negative, negative. Never trust a liberal propogandist.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Ooops. That date should be 04/23/07.

Negative, negative, negative. Diseased liberals.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Let’s see:

Jessica overestimated her heroism and it was allegedly supported by the military and that’s a tree-hanging scandalist “lie” by Bush.

A filthy RAT named Sandy Berger steals classified intel documents relating to the 9/11 Commission investigations and destroys them and lies about it.

Now, which “lie” is more detrimental to this nation’s security? I p!ss on the floor of liberalism.

By Corn Shucker

April 28, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

All getawipe needs to do is stay off this blog. In fact, this blog needs a fresh group of minds.

NEW RULE: Anyone who blogged yesterday is hereby banned for two weeks by my authority.

No backs. No vice versas. No changies.

You binge bloggers have nothing interesting to say. You’ve had over a year now, and all you’ve blogged is self aggrandizing inflectives. There hasn’t been one original thought, nor has there been any evidence that any of you understand the issues. Some blogs have induced sleep, however, so it wasn’t a total loss. Not one of you can articulate even a third-grade-level understanding of what’s at stake in Iraq.

You all only chew Rush Cud and churn it over, and then stick your head under the copy-sheets and wonder at your own effluent effluvia.

Pathos in Piles.

Exercise your second amendment rights, you sharpshooting pingpongs. Then Feed your Heads, rushkooks, Feed your Heads.

Say goodnight, Gracie

By Buy Danish

April 28, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Today I’ll be presenting research on the successful takeover of Virginia Tech by cultural Marxists, and the insidious atmosphere that breeds class warfare and hatred.

Item One: Excerpts from a meeting about a pilot program to change faculty hiring practices at VA Tech.

THE SET UP -

The Commission on Faculty Affairs hosted a major presentation to a number of groups which had expressed interest in the College of Arts and Sciences Pilot Project on Faculty Search Procedures. These groups included the EO/AA Office and the EO/AA Committee, the Diversity Leadership Group, the Multicultural Fellows, the Advisory Council on Diversity and Multicultural Affairs, and a number of interested others.

HOW TO GET AROUND THE SUPREMES -

In response to a question from the audience about whether the procedures called for listing gender or race as a preferred or required characteristic in their evaluation of candidates, Gordon stated that “no” this would be illegal. However, it was appropriate to list as a required or preferred qualification that candidates have experience and willingness to teach and mentor effectively a diverse student body, or contribute to the scholarship on diversity, for example.

TRANSLATION: Agree with our divisive, race and gender based hiring practices or find somewhere else to get a job, white boy.

While painful, these have been very important conversations and those who participated came to a little better understanding of the concept of white privilege

TRANSLATION: Brainwashing session successful.

More to come…

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Touche. The Compost publishes a column about the incompetent and troop-killing comments and other random a*ininities by Dirty Harry Reid.

It didn’t take long for the liberal demoncat pantyqueefs on the left to post a response.

Take note that ANY negative words spoken about Reid, however TRUTHFUL, are an “attack” according to the diseased horseassed left. These wittle wiberals are good little Stalinist wannabe nazi eichmanns.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

The discussion never gets advanced on this blog because of @@’s hatespeak.

Exercise your 2nd amendment rights, @@.

Then Feed Your Head, @@, Feed Your Head.

Blow.

Ho.

Ho, Blow.

BlowHoBlowHoBlowHoBlowHoBlowHoBlowHo

bwa

By WootenDull

April 28, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 28, 2007 10:08 AM Here is a tip, invest in green.}}}

Problem is, if green starts to become that profitable it will mean that the US economy is being strangled to death and we won’t have a country to live in.

Typical candy as-s lib idea, not thought through at all, just overcome by their feminine emotions.

Let’s see here, if we mandate 35 MPG for all vehicles produced in the United States, foreign countries will be exempt how will the libs get kilos of cocaine delivered to their neighborhoods?

Duh.

Didn’t think about that one did you?

I guess you could bust it up into 8 balls and make a bunch of runs in your Priuses, but wouldn’t that be defeating the purpose?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{By Markus April 28, 2007 10:21 I’m also an archer. Bows and crossbows are more stealthy.}}}

I only hunt with a compound anymore even though I own a crossbow. Pope and Young will only score the compound.

That crossbow is bad to the bone, it don’t f around.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

11:12… Looks like the resident liberal rodent ID jacker is having FUN today!

You know you’ve laid the beatdown to liberalism when all they can do is mock you and say “stop listening to Rush and think for yourself.”

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

“That crossbow is bad to the bone, it don’t f around.”

You can say that again WD.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

The wanker is PF.

bwa.

My goodness Andy,

You sure do know about blow.

Green is many alternative energy solutions not just ethanol. See Silicon Valley.

I yield the floor.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

I made an error in my 9:47am post. Looks like our resident rabid ID poofin’ RAT wasn’t on the A game either. The nation was Venezuela, not Argentina. Same difference though. Both nations think they can take the UK. One already got the smackdown over some islands.

By @@

April 28, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

The problem with Markus is that he has suffered from Transgender ID Disorder since he was a child, (as exposed by Barbara Walters on 20/20 last night). Now even though Markus was born with a teeny weeny peeny, he insists he’s a girl. It’s not his fault, but that’s why he’s so angry and foams at the mouth ranting like a crazed college kid everytime he blogs. He’s frustrated that he was never chosen to be in the audience during a filming of that Al Jazeera reality show, “The Al QUeda Gay men’s choir apprentice”. We should accept Markus and let him exercise his 2nd amendment rights. Feed your towelhead, Markus, Feed your towelhead.

bwa

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

All you greenicks put an effin’ windmill in your backyard and cut your utility connection and ride your bike to work and grow your own food and STFU.

Thanks.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

@@ jack at 11:36.

Liberals. Such smart people.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

“bwa”

I’m smarter than that bait, ID poofer. Try something else.

By jm

April 28, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Markus I know how you love to rant on about Sandy Berger but answer this for me. Why did the Bush justice department, a republican house and a republican senate let him off so lightly?

By Buy Danish

April 28, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Item Two:

From Virginia Tech’s Department of Political Science/Undergraduate Course Offerings/Spring 2007:

A system that irrevocably privileged European-Americans and created permanent minorities was solidified by building racial hierarchies into American institutions, legitimized by an American, racist culture.This system of White privilege and the subjugation and exploitation of involuntary minorities is central to the history of the United States.

This course is given by Richard D. Shingles. Here’s his website, which is obsessed with “white privilege”.

I wonder if Cho took any of his classes.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

“Why did the Bush justice department, a republican house and a republican senate let him off so lightly?”

A) Because they (Republicans) didn’t want to p!ss off the demoncats.

B) Because they (Republicans) don’t fight the demoncats. They never have.

C) Because they (Republicans) thought letting off Berger would give them some browniepoints from the demoncats.

D) Because they (Republicans) have acted like big wussies and believed the above A-C.

E) Because they (Republicans) don’t have rabid pit bull lawyers on their side.

Let me know if there’s anything else I can help you with “jm.”

By Buy Danish

April 28, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Item three:

An article from Front Page magazine on Nikki Giovanni, who gave the most lauded speech at the Virginia Tech convocation, and who I gather is universally adored by her students.

Cho wrote, “I hate him. Must kill Dick. Must kill Dick. Dick must die. Kill Dick.”

Is it possible that his writing was inspired by Ms. Giovanni?

Among the most celebrated figures of the Black Arts Movement of the 1960s and recipient of 21 honorary degrees, Giovanni has published poems strikingly similar to Cho’s plays in both vileness and incompetence. For example: The True Import of Present Dialog, Black vs. Negro.

You’ll have to open the link to enjoy her rage-filled “kill the honkie” themed poetry.

What a treasure!

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

“Are there any examples of guns being taken away from law-abiding citizens in this country? Has that ever happened in any sort of systematic way?”

Yes – in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when residents of New Orleans needed self-protection the most, police were ordered to confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens.

-04/27/07 Idaho Senator Larry Craig answer to cute little perky Stalinist liberal anti-gun Katie Couric’s question about guns.

By bon scott

April 28, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Hey, getalife! I’m apparently on the Wooten board’s hit list! I tried to make two posts this morning, one on Wolfowitz, and the other on the stagnant housing market.

They never made it through the censors. For all I know, this one won’t either. In any case, keep up the good work. The rabid wingnuts can’t have ALL the fun!!

By bon scott

April 28, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Hey, getalife! I’m apparently on the Wooten board’s hit list! I tried to make two posts this morning, one on Wolfowitz, and the other on the stagnant housing market.

They never made it through the censors. For all I know, this one won’t either. In any case, keep up the good work. The rabid wingnuts can’t have ALL the fun!!

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

The story found here to my 12:19 for any pathetic liberal demoncats who question the validity of that because a Republican said it.

You just have to treat our resident liberal rodents like the bedwetting children they are.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Hey bon,

Welcome to the wingnut jungle.

Did you see who got busted on hookergate?

No wonder our diplomacy sux.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

The hell’s finchie queefing about?

By getalife

April 28, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

bon,

When you post, wait a few seconds and hit refresh.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Russell #1 pick. Da Raiders.

Johnson #2. Lions.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

“Welcome to the wingnut jungle.”

Yeah, and the muffingtonqueefpost.com and C&L are outlets of normality.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

“Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm. The population would then be given three months to turn in their guns, without penalty.”

“Hunters would be able to deposit their hunting weapons in a centrally located arsenal, heavily guarded, from which they would be able to withdraw them each hunting season upon presentation of a valid hunting license. The weapons would be required to be redeposited at the end of the season on pain of arrest.”

“All antique or interesting non-hunting weapons would be required to be delivered to a local or regional museum, also to be under strict 24-hour-a-day guard. There they would be on display, if the owner desired, as part of an interesting exhibit of antique American weapons, as family heirlooms from proud wars past or as part of collections.”

To think I just mentioned about my grandfather’s Luger. The liberal demoncat puss!fication of this nation continues with wannabes like this diseased liberal cage monkey’s column.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

bon,

Andy has been babbling about this all day

He wants to cut and snort.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Ooops. Jacked up link. We’ll try again.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

“Ex-Justice Dept. Lawyer Under Scrutiny in Probe: Ties With Abramoff Associate in Question”

Geez.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Exhibit A:

Lieberman is for continuing the job in Iraq.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Exhibit B:

His 2006 opponent is for Murtha-Reid candyassed running.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Told ya wingnuts are dangerous

Send all wingnuts to Gitmo and label them terrorists. Torture them, no lawyer and detain them forever.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Exhibit C:

A RAT blog last year shows Lieberman as a black man in a racist photoshop (and nobody in the media says an effin’ WORD).

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Exhibit D:

Hillary recently blogs on that blog.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Exhibit F:

Compost picks up on it all. Priceless.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Oops. Should be Exhibit E, not F.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

“Send all wingnuts to Gitmo and label them terrorists. Torture them, no lawyer and detain them forever.”

Gitmo doesn’t want the same treatment to those who want to kill us all in the name of islamofacsism.

Nice to see what side gitmo is on, as if I ever had my doubts here.

For the record, if those anarchist wannabes broke the law, lock ‘em up just like those far left anarchists out in San Freaksicko.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

One of gitmo’s liberal hero protestors.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Fair and balance macaca.

They are yours, own them.

Freaking cultists.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

“Fair and balance macaca.”

“They are yours, own them.”

Gitmo is not having a good day folks. Please let him “own” his little playground here. It’s all his old wheelchair bound droolingass has.

By jm

April 28, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Markus - you can believe that if you like. I happen to think that Bush had as much to hide as Clinton did which is why they did not go after Berger.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

jm, you can believe that too. Now has anyone in the Bush administration been convicted of outing a CIA operative or not? It’s been over three FREAKING YEARS NOW and the RATs own Congress. What’s the HELL is the R-O-V-E holdup, RATs? Mental cases. Every last one of you overestrogened liberal girlie men.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

There is a new thread.

macaca,

The Berger case is closed.

By bon scott

April 28, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Gtalife, thanks for the tip. I use a Mac, (the spare is a Bill Gates machine) and that might be a problem.

Didn’t post anything earth-shaking anyway. Just articles on how Wolfowitz is a weasel and betting on how many stained blue dresses he and his girlfriend (promoted to a post that’s way over her head with an income that’s not only 50% bigger than her previous jobs) have in their closets. If there’s any guy who never deserved a medal from Bush, it’s this war-mongering, weasel idiot.

The other was how we can expect the housing market to slide (higher interest rates, less disposable family income, the shift if the workforce from middleclass to WalMart jobs) for at least the next 5 years. BushCo’s version of Ford-Carter’s “stagflation”.

I’ll try the refresh trick and see if it works.

Marcus, isn’t it just like you to criticize what I posted when the posts never made it. Perhaps some professional help could help you deal with your anger isssues.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

They are yours, gitmo. Own them.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Finchie Frenchie, since your big brother gitmo didn’t want to address the “middle squeeze” liberal LIE, how ‘bout you birdbrain?

By getalife

April 28, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

bon,

There is no help for macaca, he is way out there.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

“There is a new thread.”

I’ll go over there when I’m ready, gonzoid.

“Perhaps some professional help could help you deal with your anger isssues.”

Always the little liberal Sheilas that wet their panties over posting other opinions and it’s all about anger. Naw, nothing like that from the left on muffingtonqueefpost or Daily Hos or RATunderground.

By WootenDull

April 28, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Well, I just figured out that Wolfowitz really is innocent and I shifted all my stocks back into real estate.

If finchie is against it that means I’m for it.

Having a Mac or a PC doesn’t make a damn bit of difference you stoned moron, the server is censoring multiple links, it’s the AJC’s newest attempt to silence the Conservative information wave that they so despise.

Look at this Wolfowitz garbage, never mind that you can google “wolfowitz opinion journal” and learn the truth, but why the silence on Harry Reid, who is doing worse:

When it comes to cashing in on family connections, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s relatives can’t hold a candle to the clan of Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, who’s sponsored legislation that netted his family hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. If the Democrats are going to claim that hiring family members is firing offence then, according to the LA Times in June of 2003, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has a lot to answer for. In Nevada, Reid Is the Name to Know The Clark County land bill, which was approved in a late-night session just before Congress recessed in October, reflects a new twist in an old game: These days, when corporations and other interests want to cement a vital relationship with someone in Congress, they’re likely to reach out to hire a member of the family. Reid said he supported the bill because it was good for Nevada — and not because it helped his family’s clients. And when it comes to lobbying relatives, he said, he has plenty of company. But Harry Reid is in a class by himself. One of his sons and his son-in-law lobby in Washington for companies, trade groups and municipalities seeking Reid’s help in the Senate. A second son has lobbied in Nevada for some of those same interests, and a third has represented a couple of them as a litigator. In the last four years alone, their firms have collected more than $2 million in lobbying fees from special interests that were represented by the kids and helped by the senator in Washington. So pervasive are the ties among Reid, members of his family and Nevada’s leading industries and institutions that it’s difficult to find a significant field in which such a relationship does not exist.

Nothing but silence from the libs.

Pis-s on these hypocrites.

Cowards.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By RW-(the original)

April 28, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

finch,

Wooten doesn’t censor anyone, even those that deserve it, so unless he’s taken to censoring illiterate drunks the problem wasn’t censorship.

The AJC servers don’t take kindly to multiple links in a single post, so that could have been your problem.

By getalife

April 28, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Stay here idiot.

A new thread posts faster.

Geez, f******* off loser.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Awwwwwwe. Finchie uses a Mac because it’s not representative of bigassed evil corporations. Isn’t that special. I’ll bet this idiot counts his carbon credits blogging with his 400W PC power supply. I’ll see you in fragland with your little wussiemac, Finchie. Sick liberals.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

“Geez, f* off loser.”

Look out, gitmo is about to have a liberal freakout.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

“bon, There is no help for macaca, he is way out there.”

Yeah, it’s called the real FREAKING WORLD. You should try visiting sometime, gonzoid.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

WD, your post reminds me: Blogs are going to be the new PITA for liberal demoncats. Just wait. They’ll eventually be calling for their censorship in some new “Fairness Doctrine” bullsh!t. Don’t think for one minute they wouldn’t sacrifice their own (blogs) to quell Conservative thought.

By Markus

April 28, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

“Markus is angry.”

Liberal demoncat response hotkey: {SH}+{I}

By catlady

April 30, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Deb DR: I did a little “verification” this weekend of the costs per student to the taxpayers for public colleges. At UGA, for example, where 98% of the freshman class from Georgia gets HOPE, instate tutition and fees runs $5000 per year. Out of state tuition/fees (not subsidized by the state taxpayers) is $18000 per year. The university has to charge out of state students what it costs to produce the classes, because GA taxpayers don’t want to pay for kids from North Carolina to go to school here. So each GA resident student is subsidized to the tune of $13,000 per year by the taxpayers (at UGA level institutions). IF HOPE artificially inflates the number of students, then those students are each costing taxpayers about 13,000$ for their “free” year on HOPE. If half (or more) of students lose HOPE after the first year, that is REAL MONEY we are talking about. Heck, from our local high school half the HOPE grads would be well over half a million dollars in lost taxpayer money! So please, don’t buy that it is going to school free. The lottery pays less than a third of the cost, and you and I pick up the rest. Spread the word.