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By Political Foreskin

April 12, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

Somebody should have known that the stripper/ho was lying. Where’s Imus when you need him?

By Voice of Reason

April 12, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

Let’s not forget: while the Duke boys did not rape that woman, they are far from “choir boys”.

Alot has come out about that night - and their history of raucous activities for the previous year. I’m not saying that they deserved the trouble they got in, but - when you play with fire, you get burned. And they got burned.

By AP Reporter

April 12, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

NEWS ALERT - This just in. This just in.

It has been reported - as widely speculated - time for the truth (aka tftt) played coward last night and did not - repeat, did not - attend the Al Sharpton discussion last night. It has now been confirmed that tftt is a true coward. He denegrates blacks (and other minorities) through this blog with his racist comments, but when given an opportunity to actually speak to Rev. Sharpton, he cowers and pees on himself.

tftt will not be able to respond for a couple of hours as he has to get back home from his Pimp Daddy’s place before he can blog.

By jbmlaw

April 12, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Like most libertarians, my first inclination is to question the need for charges. Rape merits an investigation, with an execution if allegations are true, so the case meets the jbmlaw standard. The Dookies case is unusual in several respects: evidentiary problems showed up early; leftist race baiters inflamed the local population; a local district attorney faced likely defeat in an upcoming election and presumably thought himself too old to find another job. A perfect storm, so to speak.

People like Nifong, who lack a strong ethical compass, will seize an opportunity, even if the opportunity is corrupt. So he goes to the newspapers and television statements, convicts the kids before indictment, makes false representations about the nature and quality of his evidence. That sort of thing goes on regularly, one of the perqs of the position I suppose.

Where this case takes a tragic turn in the corrupt cooperation thereafter, between police and prosecutor. A cab driver, with irrefutable exculpatory evidence, comes forward, then suddenly finds himself subject to prosecution for a five-year old allegation, punctuated by a policeman’s inquiry, “Got any more evidence we need to know?” The attempt to silence witnesses sounds like something out of The Godfather. I hope there is a political appointee in the US Attorney’s office who is willing to prosecute a bar member for the unlawful effort to deprive three young guys of their civil rights.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 12, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

JohnD & Van,

My responses to yesterday’s thread are below that thread, if you’re interested.

I can’t comment on the Duke case other than to say that it’s a non-issue. Attempts to make it a political, liberal vs. conservative issue are being made by people who are grasping at straws to distract the country away from the very real damage being done to this country by the Bush Adminsitration.

Two days in a row and Jim “Distractor” Wooten has put us on to pure info-tainment.

You know what Jim, that’s what scares the heck out of me.

By jbmlaw

April 12, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason, I understand your argument, which in another form goes, “She deserved to be raped.”

By Voice of Reason

April 12, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw - apparently you don’t understand my argument. I’ll repeat what I said since you’re not bright enough to read it for yourself: “I’m not saying that they deserved the trouble they got in, but”

Did you read it this time? Hello? Anybody home jbmlaw? These boys have a history of raising hell, disrespecting others and breaking laws. I never said they deserved it (guess you really are a lawyer - putting words in people’s mouths that they never said). Get over yourself.

By Rod

April 12, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Jim - are you running a political blog anymore or has this become the Entertainment blog?

After the Republicans got spanked bad in November, you’ve lost all will to bring up political issues. Maybe it’s because you realize that your voice is in the minority and you don’t have the balls to make any assertions anymore. Now you know that Bush really is clueless.

The AJC needs a new blog host: One with the courage to discuss the political items they were hired to do.

By jbmlaw

April 12, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Dear jacp @ 8:40, we understand your recurring distress that arises when Jim offers an essay on a public issue that actually requires thought. When the DNC has failed to distribute its talking points many leftists find themselves silenced. Surely they’ll get something out later and you can comment then.

Dear voice @ 8:47, I heard you the first time. “I’m not saying she deserved to be raped, BUT…”

By Not Political

April 12, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

what are you smoking jbmlaw? You really think the Duke case is a Republican/Democrat issue? Whatever. It’s a case of an outlaw prosecutor. Got nothing to do with who’s a Democrat and who’s a Republican.

You’re doing nothing but grasping at straws. No wonder you post so much - you’re such a weak lawyer that nobody will hire you to keep you busy!

By Dusty

April 12, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason,

You have the wrong ID.

The choir boys were not charged with raucous behavior. They were charged with sexual assault and kidnapping.

How would you like that on your record when you had done no such thing? How would you like to face your parents with such a charge against you? How would you like an unethical lawyer not bringing evidence that would prove you innocent of false charges? How would you like YOUR son to have such false charges brought against him or even end up in prison?

There’s so much wrong with this case.

No parent wants their daughter to be a stripper or a son that hires one. But the total illegal activity involved in this case against those innocent of crime is as Jim mentioned: very frightening indeed.

Have you even thought that, in a different situation, you might be the next victim of false accusations without justice?

By harold

April 12, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Uh… Sharpton is the one who skipped out. There was plenty of AJC stories about his going to Emory to talk, but oddly there are zero about him dissing Emory. Think he would’ve skipped a talk at Morehouse? Harold thinks not.

So about them Duke boys… Until the lab reports come back all you EVER have in a rape case is “he said she said.” All rape cases go on that until the labwork is done which takes months.

Anything before the test results is potentially excusable, even the new guy said the accuser believes her own stories, but since that old DA guy disregarded the DNA results he should go to jail pronto.

No, Wooten is not running a political blog anymore. Even he can’t buy the crap they are selling anymore even though he’s paid to disperse it. He is just milking this for as much more salary as he can get before they catch on. Fortunately for him anything that is not crazy liberal will be viewed as conservative by teh rest of the AJC.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 12, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

jbm,

If you’d like to go back to any of my prior comments and correlate them to DNC talking points, please do so.

I’d love to see them.

Otherwise, it’s just more lame topic changing bluff and bluster.

Weak.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 12, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Oh,

And here’s another cultural milestone brought to us by my favorite businessman.

What’s with the feds and their “big government” ideals getting into an entrepenuer’s back pocket? Can’t they just leave well enough alone?

Big government. Yuck.

By Dusty

April 12, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw @ 8:52,

Loved your observation on the liberals here. Didn’t take long to notice they didn’t have any material to say “Bush sucks!” and the usual rataroni repeats.

Already they are accusing Jim Wooten of entertainment only. I think we have a False Accusation Case here. Call Nifong if he isn’t in jail!! He’s a good liberal, isn’t he?

By Voice of Reason

April 12, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

So, jbmlaw and Dusty. Are you saying that you don’t believe: “if you play with fire you’re going to get burned?”

You think if a hot looking 18 year old girl wears a tiny miniskirt and a super tight t-shirt (with no bra) and walks down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood with some suspicious characters watching her from a street corner - she shouldn’t expect to get attacked? She’s playing with fire. Does she deserve to get raped? No (no one does). But, she shouldn’t be putting herself in that situation.

It’s called - taking responsibility for your actions. The Duke boys felt superior to everyone else and did any and everything they wanted to do and put themselves in a bad situation. They broke laws, drank, hired strippers, made racial insults - and then they were stunned when something bad happened!

Take responsibility for yourself instead of always blaming someone else. Have either of you ever accepted responsibility for something bad that happened? I doubt it.

By Rod

April 12, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Interesting Dusty - you’re the first one to say Bush sucks! on here today. Glad you’ve finally joined the majority.

By deegee

April 12, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Everybody involved in the Duke case eventually got what they deserved. Here is what I think really happened. The lacrosse players were sitting around getting drunk and decided to order a stripper. The stripper arrived on short notice and was drunk and skanky. The lacrosse players were not happy with their purchase and told the stripper they weren’t paying. She said yes, they were. They said, no, we’re not. She said, we’ll see about that, and stumbled away. If she hadn’t passed out drunk later that night the whole thing probably never would have happened. The cops hauled her in and she saw a moment of opportunity. Nifong was running for office and saw his moment of opportunity. Months later Nifong is gone, the stripper got nothing but disgrace and the boys paid in ways they never imagined for being cheap with a stripper. Their lives will go on. I think that Even Monica Lewinsky now has a life.

By jm

April 12, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Actually, the one who probably deserves the most sympathy in this is the former Duke lacrosse Mike Pressler, who was forced to resign over this.

By jm

April 12, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Actually, the one who probably deserves the most sympathy in this is the former Duke lacrosse coach Mike Pressler, who was forced to resign over this.

By For the Record ...

April 12, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, as a conservative, you should be much more frightened about the political polarization of US attorneys under Bush/Rove. Case in point: in order to save his job by appearing to be a loyal Bushie, the US attorney for Wisconsin, Steve Biskupic, apparently railroaded a state employee who committed the “crime” of awarding a contract to a firm whose owners had made contributions to her boss, the governor, a Democrat. Of course this malicious prosecution was done around election time, and was subsequently featured in Republican attack ads, despite the fact that the convicted woman received no illegal financial remuneration for the contract as is required by the law against government corruption. It was such bogus case that the US Appeals Court immediately reversed it and freed the woman, calling the evidence “thin at best.”

I anticipate the usual right-wing bromide about the US attorney jobs being political. Conservatives (who are supposed to be suspicious of government) should be outraged by the selective administration of justice to support political ends. Think of the precedents being set by these “loyal Bushies.” They should scare you much more than the Duke case.

I assure you that if a Democrat wins in 2008, I will be outraged if the new US attorneys he or she appoints start prosecuting innocent civil servants as means of attacking Republican governors. But then again, I consider myself a patriot first and foremost.

Unlike Karl Rove.

By getalife

April 12, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Its a good thing they were labeled terrorists.

Geez.

By getalife

April 12, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Ooops,

Its a good thing they were not labeled terrorists.

Geez.

By Jack

April 12, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

I disagree Deegee. The DA hasn’t ponied up yet. The supposed victim hasn’t either.

By Shar

April 12, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

I’m a Duke grad and I do alumni interviews for the school. As such, I get a fair amount of correspondence from the University, some of which concerned the lacrosse team situation. I have to agree with Not Political that this is not a partisan issue. In fact, everyone associated with this case came out looking very bad. The Duke community, in which students put up posters with the faces of the lacrosse players and death threats underneath, the faculty and administration who cowered before the baying media pack and hid behind “self-examination” and “study groups” while cutting loose the accused, the team itself, protecting those players who had repeatedly been drinking and harassing gays and women instead of disciplining them and even providing the off campus house where the party was held. The media, now ferociously fastening on Nifong’s appalling misconduct to avoid facing its own exploitation and racist, sexist, classist rush to judgement in pursuit of those precious minutes in front of a camera or an extra byline. The black community, instantly playing the race card and demanding that “justice” be given to them rather than offering justice themselves in the form of a fair review of evidence. And finally the accuser herself, who did almost exactly the same thing at Wake Forest several years ago and, finding no payoff and far more exposure at Duke, had no way of getting out of the charges she had made. She has inflicted damage on every woman who suffers this crime and tries to defend herself. Absolutely everyone has been exposed as less than what they purported to be, with plenty of shame to spread around.

An aside to jbmlaw - you advocate execution for those convicted of rape. This is a mistake. The crime of rape usually involves only two witnesses, the victim and the perpetrator. If the penalty for rape is the same as that for murder, the rapist has no incentive to leave the only other witness alive. Consequently, those states that have the death penalty for rape have higher murder rates for rape victims than those which differentiate penalties.

By Dennis

April 12, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

By For the Record … April 12, 2007 9:42 AM “Mr. Wooten, as a conservative, you should be much more frightened about the political polarization of US attorneys under Bush/Rove.”

Mr. Wooten has been catching a lot of heat on this forum lately over his continuing defense of the many misdeeds of the Bush administration - to which we can now (Shades of Nixon!)add “the case of the erased emails”.

The stench of lies and coverups and corruption in the Bush administration just gets worse and worse and worse - right on in to the oval office.

In the meantime, the red blood of American soldiers and innocent people continue to fill the green cofers of the oil companies.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Jack

April 12, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Shar. Very good post. The punishment I have in mind for those convicted of rape involve the removal of a certain body part with a rusty hacksaw.

By Shar

April 12, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

To Voice of Reason: Your scenario of the 18 year old in revealing clothing and the “wrong part of town” has little to do with taking responsibility for one’s actions. Quite the contrary - it is making assumptions about someone else’s behavior, that “boys will be boys” and should be expected to attack at will, and that therefore the 18 year old should modify her clothing choices and her freedom to explore the world to anticipate that others won’t respect her right to do so. Eighteen year olds in general think that they have the world by the tail, that opportunity lies before them, that looking cool and trying out their independence are some of life’s most pressing duties. A “hot looking 18 year old girl” wearing “a tiny miniskirt and a super tight t-shirt (with no bra)” is following the dictates of fashion, not soliciting prostitution or assault. They have not yet been worn down by the sexist realities of the world, changing themselves to make allowances for the arrogance of others. And a miniskirt, the wrong side of town and being a “hot-looking eighteen” are not prerequisites for rape. Just ask the six year old boys who were raped in a church. No one says that they shouldn’t have been wearing that confirmation suit, or have walked with their priest.

By ABS

April 12, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Good posts Shar.

Those of you who are making this a liberal v. conservative issue or a Democrat v. Republican issue are just plain useless to our society. You people have absolutely no common sense.

This is an issue about a corrupt lawyer/politician who I hope goes to prison for what he did. If I were the parent of any of these boys, I’d be in the Duke University President’s Office right now telling him to get out his check book! After that, I’d be in the North Carolina Governor’s Office with the same demand.

I know the past behavior is relevant in cases like this, but this particular case is just an outrage and a case study for what is wrong with our society….always playing the race card, always assuming guilt, politicians doing anything to win, and the media playing right along with the insanity.

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

First off I would like to thank Reade Seligmann for making the best point of the whole investigation. He just couldnt imagine a justice system that could just railroad people and how if he hadnt had proper legal representation he would have been an inmate with a #.. Now imagine what happens everyday in the black community to those people that dont have those resources. People it can happen and it happens all the time so please allow this to be your window into the corrupt justice system, that White Americans live by and Black Americans die by. The point is that not all African Americans are the criminals they are made out to be and are in jail on trumped up charges. Now before someone jumps off the deep end I am all for if you did the crime do your time, but at least leave the presumption of innocence intact instead of the presumption of being guilty until proven innocent.

By Dusty

April 12, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Dear Rod @ 9:25,

You first made the comment that Jim Wooten was running an entertainment blog and not a political blog.

I suggested that you were not happy because you could not do your usual pointless ridicule of President Bush.

I know you are a liberal but please learn to read clearly and not twist statements to please you political inclinations. It makes you sound like nothing but a propaganda tool for the Advancement of Loony Liberals.

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

God of War:

Your answer to this question will tell me just where you stand:

Brian Nichols case: Slam dunk trip to the Chair or not?

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 12, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

ABS and Shar,

Ya’ll are both right on time.

I’d add that the media were only doing what the media do, increasingly under pressure from corporate investors: they were attempting to increase value by increasing ad revenue by increasing readership by increasing interest.

To restate my earlier posts from today and yesterday, news about kids, sex and violence draws interest. News about kids having violent sex really, really draws interest.

That’s not left or right. That’s a free market certainty.

Jbm, where are the DNC talking points in any of those comments? I can’t seem to pick them out…

By jbmlaw

April 12, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Dear deegee @ 9:29 and Shar @ 9:47, you both post persuasively, my compliments. Apologies especially to Shar, my loose “execution” comment continues a harsh theme I publish regularly – that no crime should be prosecuted unless it merits execution. That is how I condemn the prosecution business generally, which I think exists primarily to impoverish and disenfranchise the poor and immigrants, and to provide a cottage industry for probation companies (whose ownership is mysterious.) And, as father of a UNCer, my sincerest regrets over your choice of colleges. (That’s a joke, for you leftists out there.)

By deegee

April 12, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Dusty, stop taking yourself so seriously. This blog is here for your entertainment. It’t not like any of this is going to show up on Meet the Press.

By Rod

April 12, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Sorry Dusty, although you try to pervert the facts (as usual), it still remains: you’re the first one to say Bush sucks! on here today.

BTW - I’m not a liberal, I actually think for myself and don’t fit into your categories. Over the past 20 years I’ve voted more Republican than Democrat. However, not last year and not in 2008 - Bush’s inane actions helped decide that.

By time for the truth

April 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

@ snivelling moron rod and the other cowardly leftist filth on here

the black racist bigot and inciter of arson murder at Freddies Sharptongue did NOT slither into Emory last night. Mercifully it actually stayed up there in New Yawwwk City!

Watching your obsessive gutless bollocks all day yesterday and then this morning is just too funny!!!

When will Sharptongue apologise to the Duke lads who were nearly lynched after this black prostitute lied through her ebonics spouting teeth!!

Her cynical despicable lies destroyed an entire sports programme at a noble university, cost the coach and his staff their jobs, showed the world just how vile racebaiting blacks and liberals are and how DESPERATE they are to rush to hasty gleeful judgment against whites when ever blacks screech racist crime. Three young guys almost had their lives ruined and for well over a year they were treated by the sick and twisted leftist pandering media like racist rapists … they had their civil rights violated by a race pandering demoNcrat who despicably used the case to get reelected.

The 80+ so called Duke academics who signed a disgusting petition vilifying the Duke lads before any investigation had occured should be fired … they wont be because these dishonest pandering liberal vermin have tenure and are too gutless and too self absorbed to EVER admit they were wrong!!

I for one am really really looking forward to seeing Nifong an out of control leftist liberal get his just deserts … the black prostitute who had several mens DNA in her underwear needs to go to jail too … but the liberals in NC will doubtless protect her from any legal repercussions. SHE CAUSED ALL THIS … AND YET SHE GETS AWAY SCOTT FREE … this is the sick liberal world we live in!!

And the liberal scum on here still emptily and falsely assert I am “racist” about blacks - these vermin have NO understanding of the word … like bleating lemmings parroting moveyourbowels.org bollocks these worthless leftist turds puke up their sad deranged empty lies.

Thuggish hippety hop black yoofs and white liberals should be DEEPLY ashamed of this:

The issue of banning racially offensive words and words that are crude and demeaning to women has now entered a new phase of the debate.

Yesterday on this program the Rev. Al Sharpton promised he would go after the rappers and record execs who sell the word ho as entertainment and make hundreds of millions of dollars doing so. Well, we will see. Sharpton has been jumping on Imus like a trampoline, and that’s OK as far as it goes.

What goes a lot farther are the rappers who think this is language that is OK for them to use, but not OK for anyone else to use, anyone such as an old white man like Don Imus.

Take the bad boy rapper Snoop Dogg. He issued a statement through MTV today and was stunning in its blunt candor and in its near total lack of concern about the problems that result from promulgating this language. The mighty Snoop said:

“It’s a completely different scenario. [Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We’re talking about hos that’s in the ‘hood that ain’t doing sh!t, that’s trying to get a n i gga for his money. These are two separate things.”

So Snoop’s position is that he is an expert on who is a ho and who is not, and therefore he is licensed to label hos and others are not. He said:

“First of all, we ain’t no old-a* white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them effers say we in the same league as him.”

So we can now assume that there is a higher form of calling someone a ho and a lower form of calling someone a ho. And when we hear Snoop call a woman that name then we can take it to the bank that she is, and it’s OK that she is called that.

I don’t know about you, but I’m feeling much better about this. Obviously Imus must be flogged while Snoop and those he rolls with are off the hook.

John Gibson’s My Word yesterday.

This is the sexist racist filth that the hippety hop scum puke up day after day … the convicted felon snoopy dog has been arrested about a dozen times for gun/drugs/violence charges.

Many decent blacks also condemn this filth and the thuggish feral black yoofs who run wild in black hoods. Liberal liars ALWAYS, like chickensh!t bullies try and smear those that speak out against the endemic black on black crime, the evils of hippety hop, black anti-intellectualism i.e. acting white etc because their (liberal) vote buying and pandering is undermined by such clear thinking blunt but compassionate honesty.

Freedom of speech should NEVER depend on the colour of your skin!! Right now many blacks are getting away with unremitting despicable hate speech mostly because of the craven sickness of white liberal guilt!!

By Voice of Reason

April 12, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Shar - I see from your 10:12 post that you think it’s perfectly fine for the scantily clad 18-year old to walk into a dark alley in a seedy part of town. We’ll see how you feel one day if it’s your own daughter.

You clearly like to think in “theories” – but have no true life experience to base your opinions on.

By jbmlaw

April 12, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Dear jacp @ 10:43, perhaps there is hope for you. While your initial post had the same insight so aptly critiqued by our friend Dusty @ 10:36, I credit your current comment.

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Jeff - Come on man.. Wheres the evidence in the Brian Nichols case? Just kidding.. No seriously he’s a Dead Man walking and he deserves the chair for what he did. However he did have some questionable rape charges brought against him. The judge he killed said he was going to dismiss the charges.

By Joe L

April 12, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Shar - I feel you are being a bit to reflexively defensive about VOR’s point. A woman and rape was only used in this example because that’s what the discussed case is about. It’s not “boys will be boys” it’s “evil people will do evil things”. He could just have easily used the example of a man wearing a Rolex, counting large sums of cash loudly, in a bad part of town walking into an alley being followed and getting robbed. He didn’t deserve to be robbed, but he was an idiot for putting himself in that particular situation.

By Rod

April 12, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

tftt’s post at 10:47 is translated as:

blah, blah, blah

By Shar

April 12, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

JBMlaw@10:44 - I was the same sort of feckless, short-sighted teenager (although 17, not 18) I cited above when Duke and I chose each other, but at least I could gather enough shreds of sense to avoid going to That Other School. Counsellor, you worry me - isn’t it your vocation to weigh and advise, and your parental duty to do so even more carefully?

My contacts at the admissions office tell me that the transfer policy into Duke is stringent, but attainable (although I did not confess where jbmjr might be transferring from…)

Another joke, for you rightists out there.

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

War:

We can agree to dismiss discussion of the rape charges as well. Had never heard of the guy pre-killing spree, so I honestly know nothing about all that. Just wanted to see what you would say about a guy who happens to be black but the evidence is CLEAR that he did what he is accused of.

That said, however: Do you honestly think that whites will riot if he gets off ala blacks and Rodney King?

By getalife

April 12, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Um, I hate to say it but “lies” finally has a point.

There should apologies from the ones who went public to try these kids in the media.

The coach should come back and be paid for his lost income and lawyer fees for all of them.

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Jeff - No White people are going to come to any Black neighborhoods to burn any Black establishments and you surely wouldnt torch Lenox or Phipps. The rioting comes from a feeling of hopelessness and a feeling that their is no justice for The Black Community.. There will never be another OJ trial because every dude after Oj that was remotely guilty had the proverbial book of justice thrown at them. Beleive me the OJ debt has been paid back via thousands of young Black Yoofs as TTFT would say..

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

SP - Believe

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

War:

I would say that the reason you won’t see whites rioting has nothing to do with hopelessness or feeling there is no justice. Quite frankly, I don’t think that has anything to do with it, because we ALL feel that at points.

What it has MUCH more to do with are social norms and mores within the community. And by and large, you don’t see the same norms and mores in the white community as in the black community.

Most respectable whites I know teach their children NOT to fight and that no matter what is said, as long as it remains at words, just walk away. The only time I know of most whites saying it is acceptable to fight - especially in school - is after you have been physically attacked. At that point, you put the attacker down, HARD, if possible.

Blacks, on the other hand, resort to physical violence at the slightest provocation, and are TAUGHT AT HOME to do so. “Mean words” or insults against your momma are perfectly acceptable reasons to resort to blows in the black community. You don’t see that in most white circles.

By time for the truth

April 12, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Yesterday Fred Thompson quietly, with great dignity and without any of the self absorbed glibness of the Edwards’ (remember Mrs Edwards pompously and smugly talked of “her legacy”) announced that he had a very mild form of lymphatic cancer and had been diagnosed a couple of years before.

Happily this mild lymphona should not have any long term effect on Thompson and it can apparently be strictly controlled by drugs if needed.

The other glaring difference between Edwards, the failed ambulance chasing thankfully now ex-senator who couldn’t even win his own state and Thompson is that Thompson HAS NOT used well wishers for campaign fund raising.

Edwards was actually sick and depraved enough to send out fund raising e-mails to those who sent e-messages of support to him and his wife. HOW SICK IS THAT??? Announce in your huge multi-million dollar mansion (whilst supposedly being a man of the people deeply concerned with poverty etc) that your campaign is in deep trouble, pull the heart strings of an unfortunate familial cancer to get media attention and sympathy and then cyncially target the careing folks for a political donation!!

THIS IS THE SICKNESS OF LIBERALISM!!!

Funny how the liberal media kept this disgusting ploy by Edwards for campaign money very quiet!!

By deegee

April 12, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Jeff, do you honestly think Brian Nichols will get off? White folks don’t feel the need to riot. They can elect, appoint, adjudicate, hire and fire from positions of power.

By time for the truth

April 12, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

snivelling moron rod’s post @ 10.55 can ONLY be translated as:

I am such a snivelling gutless cowardly dishonest leftist moron and I hereby admit that I am deeply and abjectly ashamed that I simply unable and unwilling to actually EVER debate or address any of time for the truth’s awkward, unassailable very valid and reasonable points.

I am so overwhelmed by my utter pathetic worthless racebaiting leftist inadequacy that I am seriously thinking of a taking a self inflicted dirt nap!!

cue Elton John’s

Think I’m Going To Kill My Self …

huge just get on with it moron rod smirk

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Jeff - When you have had to fight for everything in your existence through out the generations it becomes second nature. I see the generalization continues. Let me educate you.. Not all Black people teach their children to fight, defend themselves maybe but not fight. The thing you have to realize is that not all Black People are not the animals or criminals the media portray. Most of us are God fearing, church going, immaculately landscaped yard having Americans. I would venture to say that I am no different from you with the exception of skin, political affiliation and zip code. Unfortunately the media will allow you to believe that all we do is drink, smoke weed, call our women B’s and H’s and are always up to no good. The vast majority of people are not that way, but the first 10 minutes of the news will lead you to believe otherwise. We hate the crime also. I am here to clear the air and say its not true.

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

War:

You’re talking to the wrong white guy. I worked in Randolph County for a while (about 7 months). 95% black. And after that experience (as well as having a 98% black class while teaching in Newton County), I can tell you this:

Most of the older blacks that I met, I honestly considered it an honor. They were exactly as you describe. But they also taught their children to do as I just described, and the younger generation of blacks that I saw (I taught 6th grade) could make the WORST things that the head of the KKK could POSSIBLY say seem POLITE.

By Barbara

April 12, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason, I am going to have to defend my buddy Shar here. She’s a girl! That’s all the life experience she needs in order to know that an 18 year old girl will go out of the house in a short skirt and tight t-shirt. And if it happens to be our daughters 20 years later, we roll our eyes the same way our parents did 20 years before…… But she’s right on with her comments. Even if the girl is walking down the street naked, she doesn’t deserve to be raped. We are humans, not animals. And what makes us different is self-control. Do we want our daughters dressed like that? No. Do we wish we had never dressed like that? Yeah, probably. But the only thing the scantily clad girl in Shar’s example is asking for is a bunch of ogling (and maybe some whistling….)

By Dusty

April 12, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Deegee @ 10:15,

Of course I take myself seriously. Somebody has to. As to Meet the Press, no way. But I am open to invitations to Lehrer News Hour anytime!!

When are you appearing on Saturday Night Live???

By ABS

April 12, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Jeff, So big deal. You were around black people for seven months in one county and how long in another? I taught sixth grade for a while and ALL sixth graders - black, white, purple, and green, are crazed little monsters. Don’t fool yourself and you definitely do not fool anyone else — you are using very poor examples of bad situations as a basis to justify your rascism. Please don’t assume we are stupid.

By Shar

April 12, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason@10:48 and Joe L@10:53 -I actually have a great deal of life experience in this area, far more than I want my two frighteningly beautiful teenage daughters to have. And I confess, as would most Dukies, that I like to think in theories. However, that does not keep me from dealing with fact.

The conflict between what I want and hope for my daughters and what I fear could befall them drives me to censor some of their clothing choices and planned activities but still encourage them to feel proud of themselves and to explore the world. They should not have to defensively scale back their lives in anticipation of what someone else might feel like doing to them. Segregation laws were struck down because black people should not have had to stay out of white neighborhoods just in anticipation of some errant racist shooting them. The Rutgers women’s basketball team should not and did not second guess achieving greatness in case some cheap sexist with a microphone decided to hitch a ride on their reknown by stigmatizing them.

I don’t ever want what happened to me to happen to my girls, but I also think that abridging one’s own potential in anticipation of someone else’s mindless assault is defeating for all concerned. Dressing in a nun’s habit and restricting one’s movements to museums does not guarantee safety, but it does guarantee spiritual impoverishment.

By Joe L

April 12, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

“Even if the girl is walking down the street naked, she doesn’t deserve to be raped. We are humans, not animals. And what makes us different is self-control.”

Again I have to say that I think there is always a huge attempt to come nowhere near blaming the victim. No on is blaming the victim. No one is saying that they deserve anything bad to happen to them. We are saying that people have to be intelligent enough to understand there are bad people in this world who will do bad things and they need to be smart about taking care of themselves. Putting themselves in the situation VOR described goes far beyond just living the house in “skimpy” clothing. And it is not saying that she “deserved it”. It’s saying that we all need to act intelligently and do our best to avoid trouble.

One can simultaneously criticize the stupidity of someone’s actions while still feeling sympathy for the unjust things that happen to them and wanting the attackers to be prosecuted regardless of anything the victim did.

By ron

April 12, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

The families of the Duke students are currently putting together a list of people they are going to sue.I hope they don’t miss anyone.It would be real nice if they get them all.

By time for the truth

April 12, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

WAR

What you say @ 11.41 is pretty fair comment overall … my contempt is for the thuggish hippety hop/gangbanger armed robber types … it is undeniable that blacks … but mostly just the yoofs/younger males are heavily and invariably deservedly over represented in the crime stats. Naturally I also despise ALL the professional racial spoils racebaiters of whatever colour who are just scum!! White liberals and weak minded whites who cave into black racial blackmail are just as vile as the likes of Sharptongue.

As I’ve said many times on here the majority of blacks are like everyone else - mostly just decent ordinary folks trying to get by like all of us.

Dishonest leftists and many blacks simply and robotically deem any/all legitimate criticism of blacks as racism/bigotry … which it clearly is NOT!!

Unless one actually (and rather tediously) explicitly states this - “I only actually mean the thugs and racebaiters” - every time one posts - then you get called a racist by the leftist vermin. Its sure is fun watching them fulminate though … every damn time!!

we should all sing this at nursery school

baa baa black gangbanging (white liberal vermin) sheep

have you any brains?

NO SIR, NO SIR

I always vote demoNcrat

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

ABS:

I am not a racist at all. I go on what I have OBSERVED. If what I have PERSONALLY OBSERVED happens to corroborate with what some racists say, so be it. I STILL judge people based on ONE factor: how they interact with me. I personally do not care about your skin color, ideology, or anything else. But if you’re a jerk around me, I’m going to tell people, and if you happen to be the only person of your race/ ideology/ whatever that I have dealt with, I will tell people, “based on what I have seen, …..”. Does that mean that ALL of your group are like that? Not at all. It means that the ones of your group that I have observed are like that. (and even in that, I am quick to point out exceptions to the rule, as I did above.)

By jbmlaw

April 12, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Dear Shar @ 11:55, I would not wish to horrify you, but your Rutgers argument is almost identical to the one in the terribly funny essay by Chairman Ann this morning. http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

By ABS

April 12, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Jeff, Hate the person, not the group. Again, you are taking very poor examples that you observed to justify your rascism. You even contradicted yourself with the earlier post…

“Most of the older blacks that I met, I honestly considered it an honor. They were exactly as you describe. But they also taught their children to do as I just described”

So you found it an honor to meet the older blacks but were disgusted by what they “taught” their children? Did ALL of these “older” blacks teach their children this behavior?

Let me ask you this? Did you ever personally observe these blacks doing anything good or worthy? I’ll be willing to bet you did….and why don’t you choose to remember those particular observations to base your generalizations on? Why? It’s because you are a rascist.

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

ABS:

That you think me a racist says FAR more about YOU than it does me. I’m out.

By time for the truth

April 12, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

White folks don’t feel the need to riot. They can elect, appoint, adjudicate, hire and fire from positions of power.

BUT NOT IN THE CITY OF ATLANTA … or (in varying degrees of influence) Detroit or Oakland or DC or LA or Philadeplhia or Baltimore and many other cities - small and large!

By Joe L

April 12, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Shar - Again you are speaking in extremes. Are we saying women should wear burkas? No. And trust me I am about as far from prudish as you can possibly find.

I am saying that I would hope any woman would be smart enough not to enter certain areas at certain times alone and dressed in a particular manner. Is it “fair”? No, but life isn’t fair and there isn’t some referee making rules.

Just like I pointed out it’s not “fair” that a man can’t walk down some streets loudly counting out cash and worry about his safety either. We are talking about acting intelligently and safely in the world we live in, not the world we wished it would be.

But neither should we keep striving to make it the world we wish it would be.

By Shar

April 12, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw@12:16 - I am horrified that such a site exists, and positively unmanned that any stray thought of mine should find a soul mate thereupon. I shall totter off to my (deep, not light) blue fainting couch and sip a luncheon tisane, hoping that my friend Barbara will hold my cyber hand in sympathy…

By Power of Light

April 12, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

ABS,

Just because all blacks don’t do illegal or wrong things doesn’t mean we don’t have problems. 70% of our children are born out of wedlock. That’s not all of them, but we still have to address the issue. 1 out of 4 black males have had some brush with the law. That’s not all of them, but we still have to address the issue.

By ABS

April 12, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Oh boo hoo….pretty typical….people like Jeff are way too easy to pick apart.

ron, where did you read this about the Duke families, because I am with you on that. This case is such a fiasco, it’s as if those families have just won the lottery! They can pretty much name their price.

By deegee

April 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

I wonder if it has ever occurred to Jeff that people judge him by the way he interacts with people. Likewise, people interact with him based on the way he interacts with people. I can’t imagine that guy in a classroom full of rowdy kids. I’ll bet he was a sight to behold.

Dusty, go back to your Harry Potter books and leave the grownups alone for a while.

By time for the truth

April 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

I DON’T FREAKING BELIEVE IT!!!

Finally - after years of heads in the sand liberal pandering and politically correct inaction Tony B. Liar actually gets something right and says the blindingly obvious staring you in the face truth!!!

ITS BLACK CULTURE STUPID!!!

The despicably liberal Guardian naturally has a fawning, pandering racebaiting take on this heroic visionary statement of the obvious by B.Liar.

From Todays Daily Telegraph

Blair: Black community must oppose gangs

By John Steele, Crime Correspondent

Black communities must speak out against the gang culture that leads to gun and knife crime “killing black kids”, Tony Blair said yesterday, as he promised toughened laws to tackle the ring-leaders of the violence.

The Prime Minister, speaking after a series of murders of young people, said such “severe disorder” was not a symptom of a wider social problem. It was a matter of individuals who needed to be “taken out of circulation” through legislation, police work and denunciation within the culprits’ own communities.

He told an audience in Cardiff that tackling violence was the “missing dimension” to an otherwise successful regeneration of Britain’s cities. Delivering the Callaghan Memorial Lecture, Mr Blair said: “In respect of knife and gun gangs, the laws need to be significantly toughened.

“There needs to be an intensive police focus on these groups. The ringleaders need to be identified and taken out of circulation; if very young, as some are, put in secure accommodation.

“The black community - the vast majority of whom in these communities are decent, law-abiding people horrified at what is happening - need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids. But we won’t stop this by pretending it isn’t young black kids doing it.”

Mr Blair’s assertion that the problem is primarily within the black communities in London and other cities accords with the view of senior police officers but is in sharp contrast to one of his own Home Office ministers, Lady Scotland.

She recently told the home affairs select committee: “We accept there is an increasing problem of the use of guns and we are trying to address it. We have not had any evidence that this issue is solely or disproportionately an issue for black young men.”

Mr Blair said the nation was “in danger of completely misunderstanding” the nature of the problem as a social malaise. “More and more I think this is not just wrong but misleading; I mean literally misleading us in the wrong direction.

“In truth, most young people are perfectly decent and law abiding, more likely to be victims than perpetrators of crime. Most families are not dysfunctional. Most people, even in the hardest communities, are content to play fairly and by the rules. Most young black boys are not involved in knife and gun gangs.”

A spokesman for the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) said: “The Prime Minister is right, this is a serious problem and it isn’t going away. We shouldn’t be afraid to talk about this issue for fear of sounding prejudiced.

“Action needs to be taken now to prevent the needless deaths of more young black boys. Unfortunately, it comes as no surprise that some young black men are becoming involved in gang cultures and criminal activities. They do so because they feel that they have no choice and no future. As a society we are failing young black kids.”

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: “We welcome the Prime Minister’s sentiment that gang leaders need to be targeted, but after 10 years in power and just weeks before Tony Blair steps down, the public will wonder why it has taken so long for him to speak up.”

Scotland Yard said yesterday that a 15-year-old boy had been arrested in connection with the murder of 14-year-old Paul Erhahon, who was stabbed to death in east London at the weekend. Two boys, aged 13 and 14, have been charged with the murder. They have also been charged with the attempted murder and grievous bodily harm of a 15-year-old friend of Paul who is recovering in hospital.

Paul was the latest of a number of youths under the age of 16 to be killed in London since the end of January. There have been violent “youth-on-youth” attacks in other cities. Paul attended the same school as 15-year-old Adam Regis, the nephew of an Olympic sprinter, who was stabbed to death last month.

By Barbara

April 12, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

JoeL @12:02, good arguement. But I, like Shar, do not want to teach my children to be afraid of people (or of going places). Yes, I would teach them caution, but not fear. Also, like Shar, I was a child victim of a violent crime, and when my 2 daughters reached 10 years of age, I secretly thanked God that they survived past that point without having to endure that same crime. But I still have a positive outlook on life, and on people. I believe that people are good, and I want my children to experience life fully, without being afraid. I guess I get a little defensive when I hear “well, what did they expect dressed like that….”, or “what did he expect wearing a rolex in the ‘hood.” I know you don’t mean they got what they deserved, but I just wish society took a more proactive approach to demanding decent and moral behavior, rather than excusing the more deviant kind of actions.

Shar, buddy, you’re on your own arguing colleges with jbm. I only attended a local technical school. And I don’t have any warm fuzzies about either Duke or UNC. I’m hoping my children will go to Georgia Tech……

But if you have 2 fainting couches, I would come over and have a drink with you ;-)

By Power of Light

April 12, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Great post TFTT!!!

By nappy headed ho

April 12, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

TIME appears all in a quandary about who can say what. Well here’s the short version -

All whites who are straight, Christian, not democrats, and not liberals: not a thing about anything or anyone on any issue. Off limits to everything except above attribute categories.

All people who are liberals, democrats, gays, minorities, and hip hop gangstas: anything about anyone and their race, creed, sexual orientation, or class. Open season on all.

That was quick and to the point, wasn’t it?

By Joe L

April 12, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Barbara - Again we are not talking about fear, we are talking about intelligence and caution.

I’m also a child victim of violent crime and I also refuse to live in fear - fear of crime, fear of terrorists, etc.

However that doesn’t mean I’m not aware and not cautious. And that I’m not idealistic to the point that I don’t understand that their are bad people in this world that will do bad things.

By JK

April 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

(http://www.virtualcitizens.com/articles/RapeofWomenInIraqByproductof_Militarism)

Rape is an ugly, but expected by-product of militarism, invasion and occupation. It is a spoil of war. Putting weapons in the hands of sex-starved young males gives them infinitely more power over women. Moreover, faced with the prospect they can be killed at any time, fighting men often feel entitled to “get some” before they get knocked off.

In May 2004, The Guardian (UK) reported widespread rape of Iraqi women by U.S. troops. Iraqi attorney Amal Swadi said sexual abuse of women inmates by U.S. guards is “happening all across Iraq.” And not just Iraqi women.

American female soldiers serving in Iraq are told not to go to the latrine or take a shower alone. Some carry knives to protect themselves from their male soldier “buddies.” Reuters reported on February 27, 2007, that 70 percent of the 284 American military women who suffer post-traumatic stress “said they had suffered sexual trauma in the military.” In the book Home Front: the Government’s War on Soldiers (Clarity Press) author Rick Anderson cites a Department of Defense study that finds of 556 women soldiers, 30 percent of them were either raped or subjected to rape attempts – by American men in uniform.

….but then, why would THAT scare Mr. Wooten and his (vandustyfakelawyer) followers? Not their problem! Have a nice war-loving bush-worshipping day, y’all.

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Ya’ll dont get it and its not for me to even try and explain..

Power of light - That wasnt a good post but youre entitled.

I’m on the Bill Cosby side of things but I know it takes more than people bumping their gums (Talking loud but not saying a thing).

TFTT - There is a Genre of Hip Hop that expresses love, creativity and everything good about the community. I recommend Lupe Fiasco.

Jeff - I would love for you to meet my 6th grade niece that wants to be an astronaut. Her and her little friends seem pretty intelligent to me. A child not exposed to anything will not amount to anything. Whats missing is the exposure that most families cant afford even with 2 parents in the home.

My point was this for the day.. Be aware that the Justice system has been railroading people for years.

By Shar

April 12, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Before retiring, I ventured to click on jbmlaw’s scary link to Anne Coulter’s Screeching Site to investigate the fearful possibility that my mind and hers are running on parallel tracks today. After anguished and hesitant perusal, I am relieved to note that Ms. Coutler and I continue to live as Two rather than One. My point, as eloquently seconded by Barbara, was that the women of the Rutgers team should not (and did not) diminish their breathtaking performance for fear of attracting the intemperate and unwanted attention of Mr. Imus. They themselves, and society as a whole, are best served by striving for the highest possible attainment, the fullest expression of accomplishment. As Robert Browning put it, “Man’s reach should exceed his grasp, or what’s a heaven for?” Sadly, Duke never taught writing like that.

Ms. Coulter feels that Mr. Imus’ remarks were inappropriate because the Rutgers women had not thrust themselves into the forum of public debate and thus did not deserve to be verbally pilloried. This sounds suspiciously like an attempt to justify her remarks about the 9/11 widows or John Edwards’ sexuality, the style of which are as crucial to her continued commercial success as are the sexist and racist “jokes” of Mr. Imus.

Woefully, though, I am forced to agree with her point on the stifling of substantive political and social debate by the political correct police. I may need that restorative after all.

Barbara, if you went to technical college you are likely to actually be capable of DOING something, instead of just thinking about theories. I can’t speak for jbm, but I offer my personal admiration and half of my sole fainting couch anytime.

By Joe L

April 12, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Barbara: “I’m hoping my children will go to Georgia Tech…”

I knew I could sense something great about you!

By Power of Light

April 12, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

GOD OF WAR,

Lupe Fiasco isn’t what the majority of our children are listening to. The rap music that’s having an impact isn’t positive. Everyone knows not all rap is bad, but its the bad rap that our kids are listening to and is being played on the radio.

And yes that was a good article. Anything that tells us what we need to hear instead of what we want to hear is a good article. Everything can’t be about blaming somebody else for our problems, we have to deal with ourselves before we can point a finger at somebody else.

By jm

April 12, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Well, there is one color related fact that the Duke case reinforces. In our country, if you have the green, you are in a much better position to defend yourself.

One corelation that Mr. Wooten could make to Washington are the legal fees incurred by civil servants subpoenaed to testify before any government agency (congress, justice dept., etc.). It is rather depressing to know that you can be driven into debt to rightfully prove that you are guilty of no crime.

By James (P.E.)

April 12, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

Hello stranger!

Georgia Tech civil engineers…waste of the first 2 years after hiring. If you want good local engineer grads that hit the ground running (profitable), try SPSU.

By Barbara

April 12, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Hi James. Long time since I’ve seen you post. One of the girls wants to be in medicine, so GA Tech would be the first 2 years, then transfer to Emory, MCG, or Mercer. The 2nd one wants to be in electronics (to follow Mom’s earlier years and dad’s current employment), so GA Tech all 4 years. What is the full name of SPSU? Is it in GA?

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Power - Who owns those radio stations and could change the format in a second if they wanted to.

I have never asked anyone to help my community, I take it upon myself and my friends, neighbors do the same..

I’m a mentor to the Young Black youth and you? You know this problem is bigger than the community. I wont go back and forth with you, because you are entitled to your position but it starts with you and of your not doing anything to help then…..

By Power of Light

April 12, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

GOD OF WAR,

The Light has been mentoring at Bethune elementary for five years. Tell you what though, you sound like an intelligent person so I won’t antagonize. Just keep in mind that there’s this thing we have here called supply and demand.The radio stations and the various other sources of entertainment are playing what we want to hear. Hopefully, this Imus saga will change some of that.

By James (P.E.)

April 12, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

Southern Polytechnic State Univ. I think..used to be Southern Tech..over in Marietta. I can only vouch for the civil engineers, though. GATech is heavy on theory and light on the design and technical. Speaking as a co-owner and 10 year experienced professional engineer, we spend alot of money and time trying to bring the “theory fed” grads up to snuff.

By Barbara

April 12, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

James, okay, Southern Tech. (I’ve never been able to call it Southern Poly…). My husband graduated from there years ago (although he has recently admitted to being a closet Bulldogs fan…..) Yes, that might be an option for the one that wants to go into electronics, but wouldn’t do for the one that wants medical. I want her to go to GA Tech for the first 2 years b/c I don’t want to ship her off to Augusta or Macon right out of High School. (She could live at home and drive to GA Tech the first 2 years.)

By Joe L

April 12, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Barbara - No need to transfer after 2 years if she wants to be in medicine. She has to get a 4 year degree from somewhere and medical schools really like the critical thinking skills engineering schools heavily emphasize. And she will have a great science and math background which will help as well.

By Barbara

April 12, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Shar, believe it or not, I studied electronics in Tech School, but I work in the insurance industry now. Go figure……

By GOD OF WAR

April 12, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Power of Light meets God of War.. The titans clash eventually finding themselves with an understanding.

By ABS

April 12, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Okay, I just got back from a long walk….is really nice outside today.

I was thinking…how sad the difference between the girl who accused those boys of raping her and the Rutgers basketball team.

In my opinion, these types of incidences have nothing to do with race, but everything to do with class.

That is why I absolutely hate to see people throwing out the race card in any kind of debate. I think we can all agree there is trash in all cultures…and spouting off irrelevant statistics and calling each other names will not change that.

By ABS

April 12, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

I just read my post and I wanted to clarify something before people write in and scream at me….when I say “class” I mean a non-trashy person with sense…NOT socio-economics.

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

ABS:

Ah, a point we can agree on. Thank you!

I probably need to go on a lunch break as well…. I haven’t been outside at all (heck, BARELY been out of my OFFICE - the actual ROOM!!) since about 7:30 when I walked in the door. Wouldn’t now how it actually is, but the sky sure looks nice outside my window!

:P

By The Truth Hurts

April 12, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Nifong shows us what one out-of-control prosecutor feeding and feeding off mass hysteria can do to individuals caught up in the frenzy.

Replace Nifong with Starr and add “Special” in front of prosecutor and you have the 90’s pegged.

Wooten’s title “Duke case should scare us all” says alot. What about innocent people who are put to death. DNA evidence has shown us many people are proven innocent later. That’s the reason some states have suspended the death penalty until furthur review.

Dusty says, “How would you like that on your record when you had done no such thing?”

Well Dusty, I’m guessing from your other stated views, you’re in favor of the death penalty, you know, you being a tuff conservative republican and all. How would you like to have THAT on your record? Kind of hard to accept an apology when your dead.

The Truth Hurts………..

By ABS

April 12, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Oh good, Jeff, your back. I was beginning to think I’d really made you mad.

You work too hard…go for a walk…it will do you some good. You should be more like us “lazy liberals” and chill out.

It really is nice outside…. :-)

By Jeff

April 12, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

eh, the fact that I have so many posts here today says (to me at least) that I don’t work as hard as I probably should…

think I’m gonna skip lunch today though, and leave right around the time the “bell” rings (rather than hanging around for an extra hour or two)…. 3:00 is a little late for lunch, even by my standards!

By Jack

April 12, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

In capital offense cases, such as the Brian Nichols case, the death penalty should be carried out in 30 days. Send them to their maker in 30 days. If they are innocent their maker will take care of them.

By Dusty

April 12, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Truth hurts @2:28

Wow! You sure took a long road to get to your destination,i.e. the death penalty.

Let’s see. False accusations=false indictments=death penalty=wrongful deaths=CONSERVATIVES KILL PEOPLE!!! How about that?? I think that was your point.

I can’t speak for all conservatives because I am only one of them. My thoughts on the death penalty vary. Saddam—yes! Child killers—yes! For others—only with the strongest evidence and DNA tests if there is any doubt or need in horrible cases.

Fortunately we have a justice system and juries that make these hard decisions. Even then, we keep a close eye on them.

Are there any other misconceptions you would like to meander around?

By Jack

April 12, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Excuse me folks. I’m going to board my private jet and fly across the country to tell people to walk more, use less electricity and petroleum. After that I plan to go to my mansion and burn up all of my “carbon credits” that I built up over the month before flying back across country to do another speach.

and it’s all George Bush’s fault.

By Jack

April 12, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

By the way, NO, girls in short skirts are not asking for it.

Case in point, there’s a difference between massage parlors and a “massage” parlors. If I’m turned away by the former, then I just keep trying different parlors until I find the latter — no physical aggression is necessary (just be prepared to offer a big tip).

By Blimey

April 12, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Dusty@ 3:10, perhaps this will help you understand what you are up against with the tinhats here; this was posted elsewhere out in blog land by someone with similar experiences.

To argue is to debate. I find that liberals can’t debate well for a number of reasons.

Debaters must be prepared with facts. Liberals historically misquote facts or are wrong in their contextual assurtions.

Debaters must limit their emotions while debating. Liberals cannot do that on a consistent basis.

Along with fact usage and emotional interruptions, liberals “editorialize” too frequently-they inject their opinion when fact-based comments are more appropriate.

Debaters usually narrow the topic of debate to single issues. Liberals tend to lump ideas together.

Debaters must stay on topic. Debating liberals wander. We’ve seen it here many times, i.e. “Imus shouldn’t have said those things, but what about Ann Coulter and her comments on the ‘Jersey Girls’?”.

Brilliant point that couldn’t be more true with dealing with liberals.

By deegee

April 12, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Jack, is your last name Daniels?

By deegee

April 12, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Blimey, let me see you defend your position using Bill O’Reilly as an example.

By Political Foreskin

April 12, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

How did AL QUEDA get through those checkpoints with that bomb?

By Blimey

April 12, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Hey deegee@ 5:24, you just gave a perfect example of the last example. I’m not talking about O-Reilly, I’m talking about people like you. It’s not hard for you liberals to prove conservatives right, is it?

By Dusty

April 12, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Blimey,

Thanks for the good information. I felt a little guilty over some. How can you give your opinion without editorializing a bit? I am my own editor, am I not? (Sorry, Jim, you are THE EDITOR here, of course!!)

Anyway, teach those liberals how to argue. THEY are not doing it RIGHT as I can plainly see!!

By getalife

April 12, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Ah yes, blood in the green zone.

I tried to tell you but you are too busy watching American Idol and Dancing with the stars.

When they open the green zone, we have won our occupation for oil.

It is not going to happen.

Now, back to your American Idiots.

Geez.

By Blimey

April 12, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Deegee, there are exceptions to everything. At least O-Reilly stays on topic, addresses individual and specific topics, and has facts. Oh yeah, and when he’s wrong, he has the face to admit it. FWIW, I’m no big fan of O-riled up O-Reilly.

By Blimey

April 12, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

getalife@ 5:57, what occupation for oil? Have you checked what nations are getting all the contracts for oil there? Do all you liberals just mouth off without research or is it just reserved for anonymous blogs?

By getalife

April 12, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Breaking News!

This just in……………………………………………………

w to appoint an email czar.

Now, back to American Idiots.