Thinking Right

By KR

April 11, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

The fact that you’d be willing to spend $5 to collect $1 speaks volumes about your credentials as a fiscal conservative.

By Jeff

April 11, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Good commentary, Mr. Wooten. My only concern is this:

What about women who give the child up for adoption?

While I could support going ahead with the scans as you propose, could the records be sealed so that the mother’s wishes that she not be found be upheld?

By Mid-South Philosopher

April 11, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

The revelation that Dannilynn’s father is definitely Larry Birkhead is only eclisped in importance by the revelation that the crime rate in the greater Atlanta metropolitan area has declined to such an extent that the most important use of resources is directed toward apprehending old and/or middle aged, fat men who are engaged in the horrendous crime of playing poker for money.

What an example of the ultimate stupidity of government!

By ron

April 11, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Wooten,good point.Everyone should know who their mother and father is even if in many cases they’d be better off not knowing.But on second thought,if I happened to be the spawn of say,Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh,i WOULD ASK THAT

By ron

April 11, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Sometime after I figure out what happened during my last post I’ll continue my thoughts.All I did was hit the backspace key.Anyway you all get the drift.

By ron

April 11, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

So, while I was gathering my thought,there was an especially vicious cat fight on the computer table.Most of what was on the table is now on the floor.I rescued the monitor,but that leaves the printer,the speakers,books,discs,the phone,sunglasses,and various other things still down there.I’m bleeding from a 2 inch gash on the top of my wrist and my coffee is missing.The window shade is also gone.Blogging is exciting,to say the least.

By harold

April 11, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

if out of wedlock births were such a problem, why didnt God Create women not to be able to birth outside of wedlock? Obviously because it’s not a problem in the eyes of God.

wedlock is nothing more a state of official paperwork

so, if a woman births a baby and accuses Donald Trump or Jim Wooten or some other famous rich white dude of being her Baby Daddy, is it fair that Donald Trump and Jim Wooten spend all their time studying for DNA tests? Harold thinks not.

In the age of rampant identity fraud, evenutally your DNA is going to be your identity. To pay, you will wipe your finger on the wiper at the store and it’ll collect stray skin cells and get your DNA numbers and charge your bank account

Should Donaled Trump and Jim Wooten be forced to disclose their DNA number to every Baby Momma on Earth?

By Dennis

April 11, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Mr.Wooten writes, “Restoring the traditional two-parent family is another of the challenges conservatives face in trying to use government to reverse trends that are harmful to society.”

No doubt, in a statement like this, liberals are without ethics. Damned liberals brought us intergration, women’s sufferage, public education, public health accessibility for the under priviledged….

And which type of political thinking is always trying to remove these benefits that improve the lives of all of us? Liberals?

You don’t have to be a blind conservaive not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Jeff

April 11, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Dennis:

Democrats wanted to keep Slavery. It was Republicans who ended the practice… something you obviously conveniently forgot….

By getalife

April 11, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

They do that already Jim

Usually takes several men tested to find the real Daddy.

Geez.

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. While the Smith baby kafuffle motivates Jim’s thoughts, the issue surely becomes politically relevant only because of the ongoing transfer of taxpayer wealth to mothers obtaining government assistance. I respectfully suggest that the change in procedure needs to be earlier in the process, at the time of issuance of the birth certificate.

The present practice is – or maybe I should be less definite, at least until recently the practice was - that Georgia will not enroll the name of the father on the birth certificate without acknowledgement by the father. I had a strange case a couple of years ago: after an extra-wedlock conception, the father died in a vehicle accident eight months before the birth of the child. My client did not think to preserve DNA to prove paternity (who would?), and as there was no father present at birth, the birth certificate was blank on that line. The evidently-immaculately conceived child was unable to obtain social security benefits because the remote family DNA match was only 95%, less than the statutory requirement for presumption in the state of Georgia. Fortunately we had an intelligent judge and other witness testimony by the father’s family to establish the paternity, but that child may have been left out in the cold by a less intelligent judge.

My conclusion was that the Georgia laws were written to protect male legislators against allegations of paternity. I support the changes Jim urges.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Here we go again. Big Government always poking their noses into someones personal business.. I say you fiscal conservatives mind your business at your home and figure out who your wife is sleeping with before you try to fix someone elses relationship.. Perverts. I noticed something also, conservatives are always blaming someone else for the plight of this country. The richest country on earth and we cant afford goodwill to our own countrymen, but we can surely spend it on foreign lands who hate us. Well we were the richest country on earth before The dumbest President in 50 years took office.

By Michelle

April 11, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

I always knew this old jackass was a racist. Thanks for confirming my beliefs.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

While black Americans have the highest percentage of births that are out-of- wedlock, this does not mean that most illegitimate children in the U.S. are black. Blacks represent only a small portion of the U.S. population. Since whites greatly outnumber blacks within the population, the number of white children born out-of wedlock exceeds the number of such black children. Of the roughly 1.2 million children born outside marriage in 1997: 41 percent were non-Hispanic Whites; 32 percent were non-Hispanic Blacks; 23 percent were Hispanics; American Indians and Asians each comprised 2 percent. Quote this next time you spin something Idiot.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

And just what is the state supposed to do if a nappy headed ho shows up and suspects five or ten deadbeat dads of being the father of the child?

The new “N” word: Nappy. I dont even know what it means. I’ve never heard it before.

But Imus has to go. It doesn’t matter if the phrase was archaic or oblique, or even vaguely nonsensical. The point is that NAPPY HEADED HO was used as a variation of the “n” word, against americans.

And I’m so sick of hate……

Jim’s proposal today shows why he’s a great blogger. He picked the most unrealistic, undoable solution, to a problem that has evolved out of our media centered universe: we all want to be players. Delirious mothers give birth at their prom and stuff the infant in either a commode or a waste basket, (and they think they’ll get away with it too).

We are sick, a victim of the post world war era of our collective sense of invulnerability and righteousness. The greatest generation instilled into us all this sense of entitlement from god that we deserve the world’s resources because we fought for them. We feel a divine right toward hegemonic resource allocation. I dont see a problem with that. What country would dare object? Ours is the only true religion, and god wouldn’t let us down.

The truth is that None of us can claim immunity from God’s wrath against our sins, for we all contribute. Thoughts are real. We send signals that get absorbed. It’s called the Zeitgeist. And it’s alive in all of us and activated by our collective focus. By thinking about Darfur, we affect it.

We tend to trend together with like-minded thoughts. Just look how this once droll blog has devolved into hate cabals. We are the great satan so cleverly described by the Ayotollah in the 70’s.

There are good men, but they are silent, and that’s all haters need.

Imus has to go. I need to hear not a single word more from his mind.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

It is important to note that nearly all of the increase in illegitimacy occurring in recent years is due to whites (including Hispanic whites.) Between 1980 and 1997, annual black non-marital births increased by only about 100,000. By contrast, white out-of-wedlock births more than doubled (rising from 328,984 to 793,202). In 1980 the numbers of black and white out-of-wedlock births were nearly equal; by 1997 there were almost two white out-of-wedlock births for each black birth.

By harold

April 11, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

why is big woot ranting about black baby mommas on welfare anyway? the story that provoked the rant contains

-white baby

-white baby momma

-white baby daddy

-billionaire baby will be paying baby daddy’s way

aint no blacks and aint no government welfare

supposin’ annie nacole was married to that kato kaelin when the baby was birthed, well she dead now so what in hell would that have mattered? some lawyers wouldnt get as rich, that’s all

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Good morning all,

Jeff,

For the record, a “democrat” in the mid-19th century was actually what we would label today a conservative. If it makes you feel better, think dixiecrat.

Republicans, on the other hand, represented the more progressive wing of american politics. Look at the geography, statement and political philosophies and actions, rather than some empty titles. I know Karl Rove has been teaching you otherwise, but it really does make for a more fun debate if you’re dealing with the genuine facts.

On to the debate. I agree with Jim that one-parent households are, and have been for some time, at epidemic levels. However, I wonder whether, as Jim characterizes it, this is an issue which can be neatly tracked by race.

The natural conclusion drawn by Jim’s illustration is that as you go from whites to latinos to blacks, the lack of responsibility in raising families increases. I don’t know if that’s an accurate assessment.

Let’s make the wild assumption that whites like to have sex as much as minorities, and that teens and young women of all ethnicities are confronted with unexpected pregnancies in roughly the same proportions.

Planned parenthood has regularly reported that blacks and latinos appear in their clinics with substantially less regularity than whites. Any views on the “abortion explosion” amongst whites, Jim?

In addition, if you were to place a graph of poverty rates among racial communities on top of the fatherless family graph, I wouldn’t be surprised if they matched up pretty closely.

It doesn’t excuse not taking responsibility, of course, but the problem probably stems from economics more than race-particular morality. If you insist that this is a morality tale, then what do the sky-high abortion-rates among white women tell us about the “conservative” pro-life movement?

See, it’s really a bit more complicated than that.

By Elizabeth

April 11, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

I was born out of wedlock and I have an MBA, own two homes, and am happily married. My father was a felon and I am a law-abiding, church-going taxpayer. Legitimacy isn’t a cure-all for social problems. If it were THAT simple, we wouldn’t have any more social ills.

By AntiMatter

April 11, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Democrats wanted to keep Slavery. It was Republicans who ended the practice… something you obviously conveniently forgot….

let us re-phrase that then:

Conservatives wanted to keep Slavery. It was Liberals who ended the practice.

Better understood, simpleton?

By Rod

April 11, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

I see Wooten is babbling again.

You say: “When a pregnant woman presents herself for public assistance, she should be required to identify the male she suspects as having caused her pregancy. That accusation would be sufficient to obligate him, by law, to submit DNA samples.” So, if she says the baby’s dad is Tom Cruse - he’s forced to submit samples. Then she says it’s George Bush - force him to submit samples. Get real, that idea is lame.

You also said: “of out-of-wedlock births, … born into homes without a mother and a father present”. Get your facts straight. Out of wedlock does not mean without a father present. Many of the time the man/woman are together, they just choose not to be “married” under your laws. Not all unmarried women are really “single”. You’re just an old man who thinks anyone not married is shameful. Your ideas are shameful.

By Dennis

April 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

By rarringt April 11, 2007 10:15 AM |

“… and that teens and young women of all ethnicities are confronted with unexpected pregnancies in roughly the same proportions.”

“In addition, if you were to place a graph of poverty rates among racial communities on top of the fatherless family graph, I wouldn’t be surprised if they matched up pretty closely.”

Statistics have shown that you are pretty much right.

And, that the percentages of teenagers who go to church and are having unprotected sex are about the same as those who don’t go to church and are having unprotected sex.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

CNN just reported that “Nappy headed ho” is a new demographic group and Madison Avenue is paying attention. Expect advertisers to produce new commercials featuring a lineup of the different stereotypes of nappy.

Nappy has already appeared in wickopedia, google, and in the Who’s Who of Ho’s book for 2007. (Who’s Ho?)

New Products: Nappy Barbie…..Ho Barbie…..Nappy-legged Shick Shavers for Ho’s…..and of course, the ubiquitous Nappy Flavored Feminine Itch Salve and Heady-Ho Douchebags for supreme protection and freshness.

Summer Ho. Nappy Breeze..

I know, you get the bit.

By Sandy_G

April 11, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, What you suggest, is already law in Georgia. Any mother presenting herself for government assistance for a child, is already required to identify the father. The government then goes after the father for reimbursement of any government assistance. In order to legally establish paternity, a DNA test is now required. Once paternity is established, then a child support order is requested from the courts and the money is garnished from the man’s wages.

However, he has no legal right to custody or visitation of the child, until he hires his own attorney, paid out of his own pocket and goes to court to request visitation.

The Georgia Office of Child Support Enforcement is very aggressive in this area because their funding from the Federal government is directly tied to the amount of money they collect from non-custodial parents.

If a mother decides to give up a child for adoption, she must name the father and make every effort to locate him and obtain his agreement and signature on the adoption papers. However, if the father does not agree to the adoption, he does not automatically get custody under Georgia law, but again, must go to court on his own dime to seek custody.

As we see in the Anna Nicole case, fathers are not always to blame for not being there for their children. In Anna Nicole’s case, she obviously knew that there was a very good chance that the baby was not Stern’s and she actively worked through the legal system to deny Larry Birkhead the opportunity to be a father to his child, including putting someone else’s name on the birth certificate and resisting every attempt to legally determine the paternity of the child.

If you want to know why so many children are raised in fatherless homes, try talking to some unwed fathers or divorced fathers. When a divorce happens, it is presumed that the mother’s home is the best place for the child and the father is reduced to a visitor only allowed to see his children four to six days per month and two weeks in the summer. Dad becomes a paycheck and a visitor, no longer a parent.

This is government-sponsored discrimination based on the illusion that it is in the “best interests of the child” to no longer have the day-to-day presence of a father. It’s also, very likely part of the reason that 60% of divorces are initiated by the woman. She is guaranteed custody of the children and monthly check.

It would be interesting to see how the divorce rate and the unwed pregnancy rate would be affected if joint or shared custody was the norm and fathers had equal access to the children and legal assistance that mothers currently have. If mom knew that Dad was going to share the custody of the children and that he would still be a large part of their lives and she would have to work at co-parenting and making decisions related to the children with Dad, I wonder if divorce would still be as attractive an option for women.

I wonder also, if unwed mothers knew that they would be required to produce a father for the child at the time of birth and share custody with him, how many young women might think twice about their choice of romantic partners?

In my opinion, every time a child is born, there should be a DNA test, whether the mother is married, single or divorced. That way, no man would be required to support a child that is not his (it happens all the time) and no child would ever have to wonder who their father is.

By Bommerango

April 11, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

So, Coretta Scott King was rejected by the ‘pubs, eh?

They were going to put up a picture gallery of Glenn Richardson’s girlfriends and Sonny’s (formerly our) money, but there wasn’t enough room.

Say that reminds me, what’s up with that Richardson guy? He’s dogcrap ugly, but gets all this women.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Undeniably this shameful and socially catastrophic (see the crime stats and births stats) problem is disproportionately a black problem with the hispanic types seemingly catching up fast.

Until racebaiting hypocritical hustler scumbags like Sharptongue and Jackasson actually expend their poisonous, despicable, wholly self serving energies in a more selfless less venal direction and begin to demand that blacks literally stop feeding the endemic (black on black) crime wave that so many sullen ebonics spouting yoofs gleefully participate in little will change in the USA.

Its primarily a black cultural (male and female)thang … which serious numbers of hispanic types and a hefty minority of white trash whites are sadly now eagerly surrendering to. Refusing to take responsibility for their actions, expecting others to pay for such irresponsibility and with so many eager female sperm receptacles ready willing and able to breed like rabbits the surfeit of unwanted/unprovided for babies is unsurprisingly taking his ever increasing hefty toll. Not least on the innocent babies who are produced by a staggering number of feckless, hedonistic, all too often poorly educated peasants who are either seeking welfare type benefits or whose shortsighted, immature selfishness/promiscuity runs their lives

Just think how much worse the problem would be without abortion on demand. The figures I’ve seen quoted for just black babies aborted for the last 25 years or so runs into the millions. The jails and courts and inner city schools would be inundated if these unwanted and unprovided for ‘illigitimate’ babies had all been born.

Its time that the black racebaiters stopped screeching about these awkward undeniable facts and began to address their own community’s catastrophic problems. A few brave, lone visionary voices like Bill Cosby have started to be heard … but the racial spoils crowd are far more concerned with their meal tickets and blaming whitey or anyone else. Its way too easy to FALSELY screech rape in NYC or Durham NC and then endlessly march and racebait… or bleat and whine about minor matters like the Confederate Flag … but actually meaningfully addressing the endemic problems of unremitting black yoof crime, unwanted and unprovided for and fatherless black babies would make a huge difference to all of us.

The black women who produce numerous babies by different deadbeat fathers should also be targeted for socially punitive measures. Clearly its not just the 70% of ‘illegitimate’ babies produced by the black girls/women doing this - but its now indelibly become part of their everyday life experience.

WSB TV shows the end results of this at least locally night after night. No one (at least collectively) really cares in the black community or else they would actually do something to change such behaviour which has been getting worse and worse for decades now!

Save your empty witless screeches of racist for someone who gives a sh!t, is hopelessly intellectually dishonest and loves pandering and blatant vote buying over dealing with this out of control problem… Its taxpayers and decent citizens OF ALL COLOURS who invariably end up picking up the massive social costs bill … as victims of crime, as foster parents, as cops, as drug rehab workers, as social workers, as family members doing the right thing by looking after all these babies fathered by deadbeat arseholes and born to these millions of sluttish stupid hedonistic women!!

And if you are one of these single parent motherss (or single parent fathers) whose kid(s) are NOT part of problem … good for you … but dont obtusely and dishonestly condemn me for my astute comments, they obviously dont apply to you.

By Rod

April 11, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Hey time for the truth - I see Al Sharpton is going to be at Emory tonight (7:00). Why don’t you go and tell him your opinions in person? Could it be that you’re to much of a coward to actually state your racist opinions in person and have to blog to do it?

Huh? Huh?

If you’re a real man (instead of a cowardly pu$$y) you’ll show up at the forum and tell him your thoughts. Details of the meeting are in today’s AJC.

By Dusty

April 11, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Did I miss something here? Jim Wooten wrote that ALL babies thrive better in a traditional family of mother and father. If he mentioned skin color I didn’t see it.

He did mention statistics on the status of babies being born in the USA as to their fathers. But statistics are facts not opinions. Accurate statistics are numbers, not “isms”.

I doubt that Jim’s solution would work unless there is some legal application attached to birth certificates. Then we would have a DNA office next door to all the other D….Departments. Surely, we would hear about privacy issues, etc.etc.

If only morality were still in “style”. But that, according to an old saying, states morality cannot be regulated. When money is involved , maybe “morality” can be regulated.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Well said TFTT.

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Foreskin,

Nice to see you back (though I’ve suspected you might be the mind behind Redneck Convert).

I think the issue is overblown somewhat. First, the comment isn’t merely racist, it’s also sexist (men or boys don’t refer to each other generally as hos).

That’s denigrating to all women, especially to the young women on the Rutgers team who are, by all accounts, model students and great people.

That said, Imus has been doing this for 30 years with virtual impunity. He’s a smart aleck professional provacateur, who generates tons of revenue for NBC because millions of people get off on his type of diatribe.

If we take him down, what should be done with the mob who has supported this foolishness for decades? Or the rappers and other entertainers who have taken the word to an art form, with virtual impunity. They can “keep it real,” but Imus is a misogynistic hate-monger?

What he said isn’t right by any measure, but neither is scape-goating the man for what is a systemic issue.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Dusty. They ignored that as they know the ratios don’t look good for them.

Hey Rod. That would be like you going to a KKK rally. Would you go there and express your opinions? Uh huh.

By Van

April 11, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Part of this trend is, of course, the tax code. While most could not even name their congresscritter, the tax code punishes the married by taxing them at a higher rate. So why get married?

To take responsibility for your actions, to commit to a relationship, to give your child a stable upbringing and to take legal steps to protect your new family, not to mention the things that the left has no idea about, like love, devotion and feelings for another individual being.

No, the democrats have crafted the tax codes so married folks pay more. I guess they do have a soft spot for the bastards of the world. I can understand the democrats love affair with loose women and men with worse morals.

I guess the lack of any religious background makes this easier for the lefties, the progressives, the socialists.

I do expect a group think from the left to denounce my opinions, since they are contrary to their borg like collective mind.

So from the start, I too was raise by a single mother, but you see, my father lost his life during the Korean war, something a good democrat would never do, serve willingly in the military that is.

By Realist

April 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

I would love to see where you seen black abortion rates in the millions. I’ve looked for this in the past to post here..but all the numbers I find are so far skewed toward white abortion numbers, its not worth posting.

By Shiela

April 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Wooten,

Please give it a rest. You conservatives constantly show yourselves to be moral hypocrites.
-Ted Haggard anyone? Conservatives are morally worse than the people they preach to and those they preach about.

I’m sure the Marta CEO who got caught in the airport bathroom is conservative as well..

Yes, the out of wedlock epidemic is horrible, but you have 2 choices, be part of the solution or be part of the problem. Running your mouth doesn’t count towards being part of the solution..

By Shiela

April 11, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Wooten,

Please give it a rest. You conservatives constantly show yourselves to be moral hypocrites.
-Ted Haggard anyone? Conservatives are morally worse than the people they preach to and those they preach about.

I’m sure the Marta CEO who got caught in the airport bathroom is conservative as well..

Yes, the out of wedlock epidemic is horrible, but you have 2 choices, be part of the solution or be part of the problem. Running your mouth doesn’t count towards being part of the solution..

By Dusty

April 11, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Sandy,

I thought your post was very informative about Georgia law. Sounds like Georgia is already after “drop by see ya later” fathers. How successful is the execution of this law?

Maybe high schools should have better civic classes instead of sex education. But I am doubtful that laws will ever replace the “nobility” of morality.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

It seems that for one to say a child does best in a home where both parents are present is not factual. The divorce rate in the USA is 50%.
For the sake of argument, we will assume that 50% of the children are affected by divorce. Does this imply that 50% of the children in this country are wards of the state? The argument being used and the “facts” being used to support this argument is old, tired and fictional.

By Rod

April 11, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Hey Jack - first, I’m not black. Second, reading your comments obviously you’re a racist. Third, the Sharpton discussion isn’t an NAACP meeting. Here’s what the AJC has written about it:

*The Rev. Al Sharpton, a key critic of radio show host Don Imus, will be a member of the panel at the Emory College Council’s seventh annual “State of Race” discussion tonight at Emory University.

Also slated to be on the panel are Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy and Emory Provost Earl Lewis, a professor of African-American studies. The moderator will be Susan Tamasi, a senior lecturer in Emory’s linguistics department, the university announced.

The discussion, which is free and open to the public, will run from 7-8:30 p.m. at the university’s Woodruff P.E. Center, 600 Asbury Circle.*

By the way, tftt hasn’t shown his cowardly opinion on this yet. Guess he’s cleaning himself up after peeing all over himself.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

snivelling moron rod

having seen the thuggish way a decent moral visionary black preacher … the Rev Jesse Lee Peterson … was treated a while back by black leftist thugs at a Rainbow Coalition shakedown of Toyota and how despicably Sharptongue treated the sad jerk Imus the other day its clear that Sharptongue and his ilk are simply black fascists who will never listen to anyone who - in this instance - has legitimate criticism of the millions of deadbeat blacks and the selfish women who breed with them.

Remember bubbaturd, this is the same Sharptongue - who after the brutal gang rape of the Central Park jogger by bunch of black thugs literally called her a wh ore and said her boyfriend did it … presumably because he simply didn’t like the fact that she HONESTLY said blacks did it … the same Sharptongue incited the murder by burning of several innocent folks in Freddies Clothing STore … the same Sharptongue offered unwavering support for that black racist NYC slag who despicably accused a wholly innocent white man of rape and has lost court case after case in this matter.

Now if we’re supposed to “forgive” Sharptongue his anti-white bigotry. incitement to commit murder etc, surely he can forgive Imus his moronic insulting remark which very very few people heard live on that pathetic leftist channel!!

dishonest pathetic tw ats like you rod are the reason I so enjoy posting here!!

I also note snivelling moron rod you made NO attempt to address any of the legitimate points I made!! Just yet another empty, abusive, aggressive reponse!!

Scum like you are just here to be laughed at, sneered at and verbally humiliated!!

Tell me what exactly is “racist” in what I posted???!!! Its easy to mindlessly assert this despicable empty charge … but as ever you simply have NOTHING to back it up with!!

You don’t even understand the meaning of the word. I simply stated facts and offered some very fair comment. The stats and the concomitant massive social impact of the 70% black illegitimate rate is UNDENIABLE!!

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

TFTT - Facts say more white children are born out of wedlock and with the rise of Meth I suspect that will be going up sharply.. Meth is doing to the white community what crack did to the black community, but I am willing to bet a dollar to a wooden nickel the Meth problem will get more attention because Jenny and Sue are robbing banks now.

By H. T.

April 11, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

AMEN! Allowing the public to bear the costs of ANYONE’S lack of morality, or lack of birth control, is an outrage. The obvious path is, “let me have unprotected sex, let me have a baby, and then - let the PUBLIC pay for it!” Seems to me that the “me’s” having sex are the ones who need to pay for the outcome - but 75 cents into a bathroom vending machine would most likely have solved it!

By Rod

April 11, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

tftt - we all see that you really are the coward we all know.

Go cry somemore you pathetic, cowardly racist.

You have the opportunity to speak your mind to Sharpton, but you’re to busy peeing in your pants.

By Judi

April 11, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

There is too much “public assistance” these days. Where does it say that the world is entitled? You make a choice to have children. So, pay for them. The government is not responsible. I would have loved to have more than 2 children, but knew I couldn’t afford them! The math is very simple. Why should I now have to help pay for yours? Assistance should be abolished. Return that sort of help to the respective families and charitable organizations. You don’t see governments in other countries willing to “keep up” the general population. This is my country. I worked 45 years to maintain myself and my family. I wish others would do the same.

By Renee

April 11, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

well, it looks like tftt had it handed to him!! hahahahaha Coward!

HUGE smirk

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Dear rarringt @ 10:15, I take exception to your assertions. We conservatives are still more progressive than the leftists – we do less to damage the economy and more to support the eternal values. Assuming your definition of “progressive” is something akin to the dying cultures of Europe, I don’t think you can sustain your argument.

Dear rod @ 10:23, you may be discomfited by my support, but I agree with your argument, omitting the ad hominem of course. Unrelated, is Rev. Al going to sing and dance? May be worth seeing. I heard him sing a song about Obama on Rush last week.

Dear pf @ 10:24, you are evil, I wish I had the imagination to write such. My compliments.

Dear Shiela @ 10:56, we breathlessly await your solution to the “horrible” (your word, not mine) problem.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

The rape in Central Park WAS NOT committed by the youth that were put in prison; the Rev Jesse Lee Patterson is a walking joke that has no credibility in any community; what happened to his lawsuit against Jesse Jackson for abuse? The Imus incident being discussed speaks only to the works Imus spoke. What about the word “jigaboos” used in that same discussion before Imus uttered his famous words. Using “invalid facts” to prove a point is invalid itself because a half-truth is a lie. The contention is made that black men are deadbeats. By what measure do you base your conclusion? Statistical, observational or innuendo? Lies and lying liars try to get everyone to believe what they say by “talking loud and saying nothing… “

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

VanDamnU - But by Wooten’s comment you were a bastard child taking from the government because you didnt have a father in your home. I served in the Military and went to Desert Storm, and on the contrary its the hard working middle class that fights most wars.. Conservatives like your President skip out and dont participate in war (they have enough cajones to send other people though, I say send the drunken twins). Who did you say the cowards were in this conversation?

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Andy said,

Tell me what exactly is “racist” in what I posted???!!! Its easy to mindlessly assert this despicable empty charge … but as ever you simply have NOTHING to back it up with!!

Mea culpa.

I apologize to all for insinuating that posts like TFTT@10:36 are racist rants that are so vitriolic as to utterly undermine the 1 or 2 cogent points made.

For Andy to make that utterly disingenuous statement after such a rant means:

1) he’s truly a master satirist, and we all bask in the shadow of his greatness as moss clings to the base of the Giant Redwood; or

2) he’s what we call “not quite right in the head.”

Either way, as one of the resident African-Americans (yes, I know Andy, you have no idea what that means) on this board, I’ve gotta say while I was initally offended when I first came to the blog, I’m becoming most entertained with his posts, now that I no longer take them seriously. He’s kind of like Redneck Convert’s alter ego.

Hmmm… That would make him the alter ego of an alter ego. Interesting.

By Richard

April 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

BAM!

(in the voice of Howard Cosell): Down goes tftt! Down goes tftt!

By jm

April 11, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Dusty@10:50 - Considering the how many people actually finish high school in Georgia, maybe Junior High or Elementary would be more appropriate for the civics lesson.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Hey Rod. I don’t give a flying rat’s behind what you think I am. I am not a racist as you say. Color doesn’t determine a person’s intelligence or status as obvious by your posts. What a person’s actions and ethics are determine that.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

PUT UP OR SHUT UP snivelling moron rod!!

you stated my post was “racist” … exactly where was this in my initial post?

you cannot answer ANY of my points!!

sharptongue is a despicable black thug!!

and you are a dishonest bedwetting yellowbellied leftist dogturd!!

bootlicker…

the point isn’t just about the actual numbers - its the ongoing massive social impact … there is NOTHING LIKE the same kind of violent white on white crime in poor white hoods that there was/is in black hoods with black on black crime … whites (mostly just young white lads) only buy the execrable thuggish hippety hop sh!te … its a black thang and now tellingly becoming a hispanic type thang to endless glorify criminality, sexism and all the other gangsta bollocks which a huge number of uneducated black yoofs have as their modern identity and social template … along with anti-intellectualism called acting white … calling females ho’s … and all the rest of it. meth is a nasty drug … but the thuggish social fall out is nowhere near as bad (locally) as with crack … not yet anyway!!

remember blacks constantly mugged folks for their crack habit … bank robbing for a meth habit has much less of an (immediate) social impact - even though its a more ‘serious’ crime. and its still extremely rare …

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Jack said,

Hey Rod. I don’t give a flying rat’s behind what you think I am. I am not a racist as you say.

Maybe Jack’s an alter ego for Imus.

By oldgold

April 11, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Mid-South,

Would the Roswell gambling bust have been worth it if it occurred on the South side of the metro?

Please,spare me.

Throw the book at these THUGS.

By sick

April 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

I am sooooo sick of reading these same numbers regarding black mothers. NO, I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE THAT 70% OF BLACK MOTHERS ARE HAVING CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK SINCE EVERYONE I KNOW IS MARRIED, AND WAS AT THE TIME OF THEIR PREGNANCY. When will you stop promoting this ridiculous “data”?!

And to sugges that alleged fathers should submit DNA is ludicrous! What a wasted topic!

By moonbat spaceport

April 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

I think Jim was being a little sarcastic with his comment of since the state is willing to spend X anyway.. If not, shame on you Jim. Anyway I’d just love to know how much taxpayer money our government has to spend on the IRS collecting taxes in this nation. Nope, nothing to see here from an article about inefficiencies way back in 1999. Whistle past that graveyard. Every time new tax overhaul proposals come up, the majority of dems and many republicans shoot them down. The flat tax and the fair tax come to mind. Always remember that the left does not think our current tax code is progressive enough when the top 50% pays 97.3%, the top 10% pays 70%, the top 5% pays 58%, and the top 1% pays 37% of all individual federal income taxes.

Meanwhile back at the spaceport of liberalism, gas prices are up over $.50 in 8 weeks. Where’s that promise by the dems that they would curtail fuel prices if they get too high? Just think, we haven’t even begun the summer driving season yet. Not a sound from Speaker Pelosi or Sen. Reid about the issue, unlike say all last year prior to the November elections. Easier said behind a pulpit or in front of a camera than done, huh dems? Then there’s the matter of the Iraqi oil contracts going to everyone except US companies. For four years we’ve been hearing the get that oil Bush! screech from the moonbats. The silence from the media and dems now is is deafening. Whistle past that graveyard as well. The Bootstrap Kid is a lying pos liberal who never even served in a sandbox.

By sick

April 11, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

I am sooooo sick of reading these same numbers regarding black mothers. NO, I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE THAT 70% OF BLACK MOTHERS ARE HAVING CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK SINCE EVERYONE I KNOW IS MARRIED, AND WAS AT THE TIME OF THEIR PREGNANCY. When will you stop promoting this ridiculous “data”?!

And to sugges that alleged fathers should submit DNA is ludicrous! What a wasted topic!

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

THIS IS FREAKING HILARIOUS!!

the leftist scum on here can’t actually answer ANY of my points so they just post cowardly effete hectoring drivel … like good pinko parrots!!

and the sad paranoid patronising tw at rabidington moronically and emptily asserts I’m some one called “Andy”

By Realist

April 11, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

hmmm…rarringt….Redneck Convert…Captain Freedom…the whole “mea culpa” thing has me wondering if you are all the same. However, I enjoy all three alter egos’ posts. Very enlightening, to extremely fun to read.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

If one looks at the statistics, you will find that 55% of the crack abusers, 70% of the cocaine abusers and 90% of the meth abusers and 65% of the purchases of rap music is that of young white kids. Wonder where TFTF gets his information to perpetuate his misstatements?

By melo

April 11, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

so, if a woman births a baby and accuses Donald Trump or Jim Wooten or some other famous rich white dude of being her Baby Daddy Harold

Harold, Jim Wooten is not rich, he is just a journalist.

But i agree with him, we all need to be responsible with our penis(ses)!!

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Realist,

Nah, I’m an original (but then again, you would expect me to say that). :^)

By Realist

April 11, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Either way rarringt…talent is talent. Captain Freedom is the ish.

By oldgold

April 11, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Sick,

Let it go. They’ve used false information to justify themselves for hundreds of years.

Any educated person could spin a statistic one million ways.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Time for The Thumpin - I dont care about you being a racist, it lets me know exactly who you are and what you stand for.. I actually applaud your honesty.. Now which makes you more angry the fact that your youngin listens and immulates this hippity hop or the fact that your daughter wants a to be a Ho?

Ok I dont have to talk white to be an intellectual, pal or wear my dockers tight on my a$$. The term comes about for people like Clarence Thomas and Uncle Tom, thats where the misinformation comes in.. Understand something before you speak on it. You cowards are so afraid that someone is trying to infringe on your way of life it frightens you, thats why you come on a blog and B!tch and moan about it. Yeah yeah the violence that exists in the black communtity is a bit much and tragic, but the resources of calling the Police and they are there in 5 secs as opposed to 2 hours makes a difference. Brilliant example, the OAKHURST Community used to be Kirkwood and the police wouldnt go there until the caucasion persuation moved in and then they were there all the time. The problem needs to be addressed on so many different levels than you and yours sitting in an ivory tower prescibing quick fixes. Oh and NOT YET is right on Meth.. Stay Tuned..

By MA

April 11, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Jim did not take it far enough. When a baby is born, we should take fingerprints and DNA samples immediately. Then when they have grown into 14-year-old babymakers, we just run the DNA of the baby against the DNA bank and find the father. This will also help ID rapists. Even babies born to married couples should have DNA testing. Statistics show that about one out of every four children born in a marriage is NOT the biological child of the husband. With one out of every two marriages ending in divorce, a lot of men are paying support for children who are not theirs. So, DNA data banks could help men!

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

tftt - stop avoiding. Why are you to much of a coward to confront Sharpton? Huh? Huh?

You’re still a coward. And, seriously, don’t continue to deny that you’re a racist. I’ve been reading your racist rantings on here for months.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

jackie

but the point is that its disproportionately black yoofs, from absent deadbeat fathers and inadequate or overwhelmed mothers who are indulging in the violent crime in “urban areas” and did for years in downtown ATL, Detroit, DC, Oakland etc … and now hispanic types are catching them up - illegals and non-illegals.

blacks constitute about 14% of the total pop - watch WSB TV for a few nights and see who’s commiting the crimes that make it to the TV screen. Go visit somewhere like Marietta HIgh School or schools in S Fulton Co and see how backward and poorly educated etc the kiddies are … and how the endless cycle of unwanted, unprovided pregnancies continues disproportionately in black and now increasingly in hispanic circles.

hippety hop is majority bought by whites … but its become the social template for countless black yoofs … and the black “ho’s and b itches” they, NOT THE WHITE lads sing about!! The thuggishness of hippety hop “stars” is unbelievable and unprecendented … and this thuggish cultural ‘transference’ moves effortlessly, as we often see in the NBA and the NFL!!

Its all about depraved indifference, often criminal, serious drug abusing hedonism … and whites are NOT innocent of this at all … but the issue I am discussing is the deadbeat fathers and the sluttish, could care less mothers who perpetuate the black on black crime wave!! which often eventually affects these feckless mothers when they get older … its a vicous cycle (a great fairly recent Skynyrd album BTW).

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

rarringt - you mentioned above that you’re: “one of the resident African-Americans”. Okay, I’ve got a serious question for you.

Why do you call yourself an African-American? Did you come from Africa? Why don’t you call yourself black. I’m white, but I don’t call myself European-American.

I’m serious here - I’d like to know. Black people call us white, but some get offended if we call them black. What’s the deal? Unless you actually came from Africa, why do you say you’re African-American?

Don’t say it’s because you’re “proud of your heritage”, because that would apply to me too - Europe is in alot better shape than Africa is.

Please help me out.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Bush is the cause of High gas prices.. The spin continues.. Gas prices didnt go up until he and his cronies came into office.. IDIOTS.. Just like a conservo to blame a Democrat for their failings and short comings.. Pretty soon Iraq is going to be the fault of the Democrats.. Some way or somehow they will pin it on them.. You nutty professors kill me..

By Richard

April 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

okay MA - you’re just making up numbers (lying). You said: “Statistics show that about one out of every four children born in a marriage is NOT the biological child of the husband.” I know that’s a flat out lie.

Cite your research. Where did you find that statistic - or are you ready to admit you pulled it out of your slimy @ss.

By abc

April 11, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

i am part of the generation that everything is instant. we grew up on instant coco and microwaves. our parents are living longer and we are acting like children for longer periods of our life. as a woman, i went to college not to find a husband but to party and get a degree.

i think all of these instant things have inabled us to plan for the long run. marriage is a life long plan just as investmenting. we have short on all these things. we also fall short as parents. our shock values are down and so we are with sex where our parents were with fondeling. so, here we are with all these unplanned kids being raaised by “adults” that act as children. as to testing to find the secondary party….i think it should be mandatory when the birth certificates are being written. i also believe that man or woman that is stuck in the situtation of not knowing who the father is should systematically be implanted with an iud. maybe they can raise that child and grow up a bit. iud are not permant but it would slow this problem down. as to the men….it is time for science to make an iud for you too if you are in this group.

so, yea, i believe that we have to put an end to who’s the baby’s daddy once and for all with mandated dna test with birth certificate and male and female iuds for those who can not control their hormones.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Yeah. That’s right Raringt. I’m Imus’ alter ego. I also do a good Abe Lincoln.

Rod. Did I say you were black?

By Renee

April 11, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

time for the truth - you are soooooo racist. Even the word you’re enjoying using today - yoofs - is racist.

You’re using yoofs instead of youths because you’re insulting and making fun of black people with the way many of them talk. You’re implying that they’re dumb and uneducated - because they’re black. RACIST.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

ha ha ha … THE LEFTIST PUKES RUN AWAY!!!

They just endlessly screech racist - as I predickted they would. They simply can’t bring themselves to even gently criticise blacks … they are scared sh!tless of the unvarnished awkward truth … lets hope they get violently mugged and see if they change their tune.

go into a S Atlanta mall and listen to the way FUBU wearing yoofs talk and handle English/ebonics … its very sad and quite chilling that billions of dollars have effectively been wasted

snivelling moron rod still cant puke up any examples of my “racism” … LMFAO!!! MORON ROD CANT DEBATE - it just screeches!!

and the cowardly thuggish felon snoopy dog lovin’ bootlickickingscumbag just makes threats … too funny - too funny

By harold

April 11, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

wooten better be rich or they aint paying him enough to have a column essentially about the demise of the republicans party whilst purporting to be a republicans himself

he white, he locally famous, he rich

he aint filthy rich like Trumpet, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the editorials editor is making 6 figures

now what if that crazy cynthia editorials woman claimed wooten was her baby daddy? under wootens porpoisal he would have to jerk it into a cup for DNA analysis just because crazy Cynthia said to.

just how much power to we want to grant a crazy w******* to exact revenge on all the fellas from the bar who disappeared after a night at her place. it wuz him! no it wuz him! no no it wuz him! wait no it wuz him! no no wait no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! vvvvvvvvvvvvv

By joyce

April 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

See where Rep. Roberta Abdul-Salaam shouted racial slurs all over the Capitol because the committee declined her request to hang Mrs. King’s picture in the building. Even threatened a nation-wide boycott by blacks if she didn’t get her way. Doouble standards apply according to her ranting. I’m glad the majority of Americans - black and white - have common sense.

By JohnD

April 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

The moral failures in this debate cross all racial and economic lines. The statistics cited are irrelevant with regard to the problem. We are all Americans, at least those here legally, and the state should not be supporting those who birth children without the means, or in many cases the desire, to feed, clothe, educate and care for their offspring.

I agree with the comment regarding the tax structure as a contributing factor to the problems inherit with out-of-wedlock births but not because the adults are unmarried due to higher tax rates. Those parents, married or not, are capable of caring for their children.

The tax structure is designed to foster social redistribution of wealth, a plank of the liberal political platform, and to give more power to the government, a plank of the platform of both the Republican and Democrat parties. Liberals see government as a good thing, a point made by Henry Waxman over the weekend, and Conservatives see government as a drain on the productive abilities of individuals.

As long as government provides a relatively accessible safety net for the irresponsible among us, they will continue to have unrestrained sex and be unconcerned of the consequences.

The Imus comment was incredibly offensive, insensitive and aimed at a group of young women who are likely as far from his description as any in the US. The market place will ultimately determine his fate through the listeners and advertisers.

Al Sharpton lacks the moral authority to make any demands based purely upon his prior conduct and statements of a racist nature also intended to incite uncivil behavior. Jessie Jackson also abdicated his position as a moral authority.

For those who had not heard the terms used by Imus I offer to you that Stevie Wonder referred to himself as a “nappy headed boy” in one of his songs. The term “Ho or Hoe” is heard in much of the hip-hop and rap music. Imus did not “coin” the phrase but he will be forever rightfully connected to the words.

I applaud the young women of Rutgers for their willingness to discuss this in person with Imus and their coach Vivian Stringer for her reasoned comments.

Kudos for all those who recognize freedom of speech gives Imus the right to say whatever he pleases but also recognize those who speak must be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Is that Ms. Maple Syrup from VT ? Nice to hear from you. Stirring things up on this one today. Hope everything is cool up there.:)

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Jack - at 10:52 you stated: “Hey Rod. That would be like you going to a KKK rally. Would you go there and express your opinions?” Implying that I was black.

You’re not to smart, are you?

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

tftt - still waiting. Why are you not man enough to go see Sharpton? Huh? Still no answer from you. Won’t your pimp-daddy let you out for the evening?

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

@ the lying stupid lefty hag (was that sexist enough?)renee

if you’ve read my posts for a while on here loveykins you’ll see that I use the term yoof to dig at yoofs of all colours/ethnicity …

yoof/yoofs is a term freely used by conservatives in the UK media … its a witty perjorative term that sardonically mocks the addicktion to p!ss poor spelling that the yoofful wankers who spend endless hours texting each other on their mobile phones about nothing have. it is NON-racial … but cheers for the deranged leftist hissy fit … almost as good as bootlicker and moron rod!!

fact is many blacks yoofs and young ho’s (as they are disgustingly called by their fellow blacks) are unable to talk and write properly, just go and listen to a few groups of teens in any mall … sadly countless young whites and supposedly bi-lingual hispanics are now following this sickening trend of moronic communication that trendy lefty teachers do little to correct…

By Greg

April 11, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Lemme help, an OTP view of the TV Reality world as best I can remember; 1. We all knew it was Birkhead, real emotion is easy to spot, fakes like Stern are too. 2. Sanjaya can sing, not well enough to still be on idol though. 3. JFK was shot by Oswald, he was hired.This was the first “reality show” ever viewed btw. 4. JR Ewing was actually shot by himself,in a despirate suicide attempt, “Dallas” lied. 5. What a celeb wears on th erunway has no bearing on what brand jeans I wear, nor whats written on my t-shirt. 6. Forgiveness is given freely to everyone in the publics eye unless you confess you are a Christian, then you are expected to BE PERFECT all the time! 7. Hollywood in politics, is equal to politicians in Hollywood. neither is qualified to act in accordance with the other. You are lucky you have the one gig. 8. “Dr. House” is a junkie period. 9. “Ugly Betty”…. Being a fan of that is like intentionally slamming your privates in a sliding glass door. WHY?! Try NBC at the same time. 10. Tom Cruise, you are a controlling, weird-o that has ruined more beautiful women than Little Debbies. Thanks for nothing Napolean Jr!

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

I have heard white dudes call women B!tches.. I even heard white women call each other b!tches.. Because unlike you Father Time I am very diverse in the people I interact with. Oh and remember everything Blacks do ya’ll catch on about 3 to 4 years later.

Moonbat - dont have to change your name it fits you perfectly.. I served my time in the military reserve and got out just in time, before the present idiot would have had me back in the Sandbox. I wasnt going back after the first time. I didnt avoid the conflict when called upon though.. I remeber them pulling me out of College as if it were yesterday and deploying 3 days later.. Were you there? If not button ‘em up coward.. You wont be swift boating me..

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Won’t your pimp-daddy

now now snivelling moron rod .. I aint never met your uncle-daddy!!

you simply cant debate me - you just puke up pathetic lame abuse

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

TFTF

You have not used the facts to present your argument. Black men and women are not thugs and depraved. What you see on WSB and WAGA is show business. When a crime occurs, why do the cameras run to the person who has no firsthand knowledge of the crime and who only speaks of what they heard? Does crime occurs in Roswell, Marietta, Cumming, etc. So your point about blacks being the center of the supposed crime wave is factually incorrect in not logical. The argument about who buys hip hop is your attempt to quantify and qualify your argument with specious facts. I would contend most blacks prefer R&B versus hip hop because R&B gives one the opportunity to judge and evaluate the artists musical skills and talents. Real hip-hop is poetry, not the violence being expoused today. You are wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!

By Jack

April 11, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

So the KKK didn’t ever beat the Hell out of any white people? You’re not too smart are you?

By Rod is stupid

April 11, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Jack doesn’t necessarily imply that you are black. I’m lilly white and I’m not going to go to a Klan rally and exrpess my opinions on racism. They would kill me.

By Jim & Judi Fan

April 11, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Anyone who has kids, illegitimate & otherwise, who can’t afford them, should be forced into homelessness & starvation along with their filthy AIDS/crack brats

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

bigotedbootlicker

10-20 years ago if a white yoof called his mom or girlfriend or any adult female a b itch or a ho he’d have had his face slapped or been disciplined/told to stop that immediately - the yoof would never have got away with doing this … some white trash girls as well as boys do this now too … and many black kids and white kids do at 8/9 years old in the classroom as well - ask a teacher in some liberal urban cesspit!!

its the coarsening of society specifically from the pervasive corrosive influence of hippety hop - which is endlessly puked up on MTV etc and elsewhere where yoof kulture is regurgitated!!

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Jack - double posting using another name (the 1 minute time difference gave you away).

So lame.

By papa smurf

April 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

That Jay Bookman chick looks slightly man-ish, but only slightly.

By Joe L

April 11, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

“Restoring the traditional two-parent family is another of the challenges conservatives face in trying to use government to reverse trends that are harmful to society.”

No Jim this is a challenge we ALL face. I’m tired to death of conservatives thinking this is “their” issue.

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Congrats, Jim.

Now that the blog has deteriorated into racist namecalling, I’m sure you’ll get at least 200 posts on the blog today.

Now that I think about it, maybe Jim Osterman’s Lake Wobegon-esqe blog isn’t so bad after all.

I mean, nobody calls anyone a crackpipe or bubbaturd or any such colorful things over there.

Then again, there’s only so much you can say about a neighborhood watch program….

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

“showbusiness???”

so when Moronica Kaufman and the rest of them endlessly show black criminals and alleged (before the trial) black criminals night after night this is “entertainmnet … NOT reflecting who is actually doing the crime … its disproportionately blacks on WSB and 11 Alive … but hispanics are catching up real fast . obviously there are all races featured …but black yoofs/males heavily dominate whilst being much less than 10% of the state’s total population!!

I NEVER said black men and women were thugs or were all thugs … its the black yoof and younger male adults that I have been posting about, along with the sluttish sperm receptacles - IS YOUR CRETINOUS DISHONESTY deliberate?

hippety hop you dishonest nutty moron is NOWADAYS primarily ALL about thuggish gangsta drug related misogny, bling bling etc … that is what sells now … years ago it was less brutal and perhaps ever so slightly artistic … but that was at least 10/15 years ago!!

the blacks and whites who like R&B are NOT the problem … geez - talk about obtusely stating the blindingly obvious!!

By Rod is more stupid

April 11, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

He swings. He misses. Again. I am not Jack, you Rod. But I did make the same point that you assume there are white folks who would be scared to attend a Klan meeting.

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

JoeL,

Jim unfortunately believes, along with jbmlaw and a few others on this blog, that “conservatives” seem to have a monopoly on morality and fiscal responsibility.

I believe they may have a monopoly on endlessly talking about such virtues, then acting in directly opposite fashion (hence, the administration).

But as far as actually having decent values, and for that matter vices, I’d imagine that’s sprinkled pretty liberally (bad pun intended) across all populations.

Welcome to the world of human nature, gentlemen.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Rod (AKA Needle-dick) I never post under another’s name. I don’t know who this “Rod is stupid poster is but he’s dead on.

By harold

April 11, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

So Harold got out his car and was gonna buy some gasoline but the cars was all lined up several deep waiting on every pump at the station! Whassup is there another mad run on teh gasoline today? Did Dubai oops Dubya do something stupid yet again?

By Cane

April 11, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

A two parent system would do America a greater good. But there are a couple of issues.

Otherwise the state should have a test limit of 1 test only. Either identify the correct father at the beginning for your free check while you sit back and get your hair done and go to the club, while not paying for daycare because she dropped the child off to Grandma’s so she won’t have to take care of it;

OR;

Suffer the consequenses for not keeping the legs closed. Nobody held a gun to her head. It goes both ways Jim.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Bwahahahaha!! Ok Ok Old Timer.. You crack me up! Debating is not about becoming all emotional, like a little girl.. Everyday you show me another weakness..

By Rod is most stupid

April 11, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

CORRECTION: But I did make the same point that you assume there are NO white folks who would be scared to attend a Klan meeting.

I am not Jack, I am Ron Divine, time to pass gas, time for the truth (imposter), Boomer, Boomerango, Mark Somethingorother, etc., etc.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

CNN just reported that Imus claims he was doing a NAPA commercial and doesn’t know what all the fuss is about, (but then he called his Toyota a nappy nip car, and proved he’s a liar).

By Not Paying For Your Baby

April 11, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Honestly, I don’t care if someone is married or not when they have a baby, all I ask is that they take care of it and pay for it themselves. Is that such a tall order? I once saw a bumper sticker that said “If you can’t feed ‘em, don’t breed ‘em” Seems pretty logical to me….

By Jack

April 11, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

The local news should be called, “The Murder Show”

By harold

April 11, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

The local news always declineds to mention the race fo the alleged supsects because they know it goes without saying and is a waste of valuable airtime .

for each time they saved not saying “afri.mexi-can american” they have enough time left over at the end for american idol “news”

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

actually harold - where they can they use a photo/footage of either the actual black thug or hispanic thug arrested for armed robbery/rape/murder/child molesting/fraud/drug dealing/shop lifting etc. NO ONE is saying there are NOT white criminals/thugs - of course there are … but given that black yoofs and young men constitute what - less than 5% of the pop clearly they are responsible for a huge amount of the crime. Or are all (or most) of the blacks in county and state jails innocent? … railroaded by the system as the innocent Duke chaps who were nearly lynched by a bigoted black liar might have been!!

By tc

April 11, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

I can see everyone’s valium & prozac needs to be re-filled in here. What a bunch of ignorant pompas asses some of you are! Geez…grow up guys! Glad I’m married to a real man instead of one that has to sit behind a computer and pretend to be grown. (directed primarily at the full time bloggers - other than jmblaw).

By Atico

April 11, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Hope you send copies of your article about “who’s the daddy” to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. This will give them something real to chase and keep them away from the little things like the Imus remarks about a girls tattoed basketball team. He was insensitive, but he has always been. How about the Rappers? Oops, they are protected by color, excuse me.

By time to pass gas

April 11, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

excellent points my faux-Brit sister. and you notice that the rare white criminals - the Barbie Bandits - were led astray by a pair of the dark ones.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. We don’t need valium or prozac. That is for losers.

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Dear JohnD @ 12:22, extraordinarily well-written.

Dear Greg @ 12:31, funny post, well-done. Dear rarringt @ 12:56, and indirectly Joe L, I generally agree with your statement that there are morally decent leftists (and even in large numbers) in this country, and I also agree that seemingly only conservatives ever attempt to turn the conversation to a validation of those decencies. If you gentlemen have the courage of a Bill Cosby, I welcome you to our side of the fight. It does not have to be a conservatives-only war against social decay, but I assure you that is the way it feels most of the time.

Dear Jack and Rod and everyone else talking about the KKK, I once saw a cross-burning from a distance, probably 40 years ago – a chilling experience. That is one of the few improvements in society since then, the total irrelevance of such people today.

By tc

April 11, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

No Jack, you need an enima :)

By harold

April 11, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

the KKK hates the Jews and the Jews are all white except that Sammy Davis Jr, but he ended up dead didn’t he…

By The Wiz

April 11, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Who you callin’ irrelavent jumbo bowel movement? Hang on …

Would you like fries with that? OK. That’ll be 5.72.

OK I’m back. We are a secret society, so our vast numbers are unknown to namby pambly liberals such as you.

By Harold

April 11, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

NOTES ON THE HAROLD

General Principles

Praise Harold!

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Dear tc @ 1:22, with all due respect, I am quite certain I qualify as an ignorant pompous a* also, but I appreciate your kind words.

By deegee

April 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Hello oldgold, there was a gambling bust on the south side yesterday and apparently it was pretty worthwhile to somebody in Clayton County. They caught a magistrate court judge. Someone tried to bribe the sheriff with $500.00 to go away. Sounds like the sheriffs have been selling themselves pretty cheap. The chief sheriff said that the sheriff’s office is not for sale, no mention of the sheriff.

By Joe L

April 11, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

“The tactic that you are proposing is all about money, and has nothing to do with the physcological welfare of the child. The babby daddy in most cases sends the money to shut the mother and the state up and still will not giving a flying F* about the child.”

Jim’s thinking (not that I agree with it) is that if you continue to harrass absentee fathers that men will become much more responsible about becoming fathers.

However it all comes down to poverty people. When you are poor you really don’t have much to lose and sex and “relationships” (which really aren’t) are ways to fill the voids in your life. So is having children that provide a source of love and comfort in your life, particularly when you never had it coming from a broken home yourself. Until we break the vicious cycles of poverty in this country these problems won’t end.

And no I’m not ignoring the sizable but smaller population of professional women who don’t have time for dating or marriage but still decide to have a child (and I’m including the Hollywood accessory babies in this).

By Joe L

April 11, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

” I welcome you to our side of the fight. It does not have to be a conservatives-only war against social decay, but I assure you that is the way it feels most of the time.”

Nope far from it. But conservative neither want to see or believe that liberals are just as much in the fight nor does it play to the political aspects of being the “moral” party.

Blue states have lower divorce rates, lower illegitimate rates, etc.

By Brad Nitz

April 11, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

So, what you’re saying is that Harold is a Krispy Kreme doughnut? Cool. I’m in.

By tb

April 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Hey, time for the truth, there is no u in behavior and one s in mothers. Sometimes kids suffer with having both parents in the home if one parent is abusive, or not working. So the two parent thing is not always the best in some cases. like one person stated not every child born out of wedlock is lacking their father. The last time I checked Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are not married, so that means their child was born out of wedlock, so was Tom Cruise last child. So blacks are not the only ones having kids out of wedlock. I will admitt we do need more fathers in the home but single mothers sometime do just as well of any color.

By Peyton Walters

April 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Whoa. A dozen or more of the most recent posts just disappear. Good going AJC>

By Charles

April 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

As Dr. Stanley Monteith, www.radioliberty.com, would say, I am bringing you the Story behind the Story, the News behind the News. Hoping to convince you that reality is usually scoffed at and illusion is usually king, but in the battle for the survival of Western civilization it will be reality and not illusion or delusion that will determine what the future will bring.

African Americans voluntarily depend on other people for our survival. Europeans provide us with food, clothing, shelter, education, direction, security, jobs, money, status, fame, etc. Any conscious, thinking, well meaning person knows that this is the path to racial annihilation for an ethnic group. Government, along with Hollywood, the church, civil rights leaders and the middle class played roles in the demise of the masses of African Americans. How can they solve the problem? It’s much more complex than what meets the eye.

By the way, did you hear what Don Imus said about the Rutgers basketball players? Imus was speaking with producer Bernard McGurk when the NCAA title game between Rutgers and Tennessee came up.

“That’s some rough girls from Rutgers,” Imus said. “Man, they got tattoos …”

“Some hardcore hos,” said McGurk.

“That’s some nappy headed hos there, I’m going to tell you that,” Imus said.

Mr. Wooten, African Americans voluntarily depend on other people for our survival. Europeans provide us with food, clothing, shelter, education, direction, security, jobs, money, status, fame, etc. We just can’t stand the thought of Don Imus and other Europeans threatening our lives, welfare, and link to life with those harmful words. If Europeans become mean-spirited and won’t be a provider for us, who’s going to do it?

So Americans, do you still think that there will be less harm to our society by increasing the percentage of marriage and two-parent families? Do you think you can make a better America by DNA samples so that a child will know his father, and receive financial support. How about less harm to America by decreasing out of wedlock births?

As Dr. Stanley Monteith, www.radioliberty.com, would say, I am bringing you the Story behind the Story, the News behind the News. Hoping to convince you that reality is usually scoffed at and illusion is usually king…

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Hi jbmlaw,

Nice post at 1:28, with one exception: Bill Cosby isn’t a conservative. Bill Cosby doesn’t much care for conservatives, because he knows that many of them are more similar to Don Imus than they think.

And there’s the reason this is such an issue. I mean, who cares about some way-past-his-prime shock jock, really?

The question is to understand the American mentality. Most people, present company included, harbor prejudicial views on just about every group of people. Usually it stays just below an increasingly thin surface of civil politeness, but it’s still there. When it does pop out, we scramble to say “but I’m not racist/sexist/whatever,” and “I’m really a good person who said a bad thing.”

How very third grade like of us.

I submit that the opposite is true. For example, would andy, dusty, redneck convert, markus, van and others say in public what they post on this blog? Doubtful. The blog gives them a false sense of security, much like Imus’ radio booth imparted a false belief of removed invulnerability.

That’s the value of the blog. Yes, Andy’s posts are utterly reprehensible, but they’re true to what and who he is. You get a sense of how deep the dark hole that is his soul goes. As a result, in the split second (or longer) that we smile or nod our heads in agreement with something vitriolic, it is there we get a glimpse of the fact that we’re no saints, either.

We rail against Imus because he reminds us who and what we really are. We are Imus.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

One thing Imus is not is a snappy dresser, or a snappy wit. He’s a hack who just reinforces what’s already been said out there. He hears stuff and then repeats it, like it was his idea.

I hate that.

Imus needs to go.

I love the smell of nappy headed ho’s in the morning. (scene from apairoflips now)

By Van

April 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

rarringt

You are a bit off base there kemo-sabe.

My views and comments are the same whether in a blog, or the letters to the editor or in public.

Unlike democrats I do not change with the wind.

By harold

April 11, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

now how are we supposed to believe that folks who regularly use the D word pejoratively don’t also use the N word the same way? anyone willing to vilify the Ds as a whole group are more than willing to vilify any group and if you watch the local news the group that presents itself most frequently as a likely target of vilification would be the Rs followed closely by the Ns but the Rs arent goign to cuss themselves R they so they cuss the Ns and the Ds who really dont even do much of anything

By Jack

April 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

I love you too TC. :)

By tc

April 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

@jmblaw, Your welcome. I stated this due to the fact that I am an avid reader and an extremely rare poster and I have noticed that you express your point of view without throwing flaw upon another’s opinion. It’s these kids pretending to be someone their not by posting under different ID’s and then wanting to squabble all day long without accomplishing one meaningfull point for all the effort they exert throughout their day that leads me to the conclustion that they are all indeed the PA’s I mentioned beforehand. My hat goes off to those of you that can add meaning in your post and my butt goes up to those of you that can’t….Sorry guys!! :) The truth hurts sometimes.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

AT LAST … THE evil bigoted DUKE LYNCHING IS ALMOST OVER

The case is at long last about to be legally shredded and withdrawn - solely because of lack of evidence and the vile lies of the bigoted black whoralicious accuser. Hopefully she will quietly go back to her stripping and prostitution and the Duke lads can quietly get on with their lives.

Hopefully the nasty professional black racebaiters - like Sharptongue and Jackasson - will publicly apologise to the innocent Duke lads for all their hateful lies and bigotry!!

All sensible Americans who believe in justice want to see the demoNcrat scumbag Nifong hammered by his state bar and lose his law licence. This was a malicious, career pepetuating, utterly unfounded prosecution.

@ RABIDington

re: your pathetic sullen remarks about my sparkling banter and use of crackpipe were hugely amusing … I actually called crackpipe ‘crackpipe’ because I naturally assumed it was smoking crack because of all the deranged idiocy it was posting. There was NO racial dimension to the witty, apposite choice of name as crackpipe didn’t reveal its ethnicity until long after it had been dubbed crackpipe. There is also no racial dimension in my equally witty and apposite choice of RABIDington in your case!! Your paranoid patronising bollocks is much appreciate though … gives us all something to be thankful for - in the context of … there but for the grace of … etc

By Rod

April 11, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

time for the truth - still waiting.

Got the balls to go see Sharpton yet?

Still waiting (huge smirk)

By Me

April 11, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Who’s next to make “The Big Apology? It seems lately lots of celebs and others are very quick to speak their minds but then even more quickly they back track and make apologies for thier thoughts spoken out loud. Wake up America, being forbidden to speak what you feel will not erase the feelings. Apologies do little good anyway, no one beleives them.

By Right Wing Abomination of the Day Contest

April 11, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Today’s winner: Jim and Judi Fan:

“Anyone who has kids, illegitimate & otherwise, who can’t afford them, should be forced into homelessness & starvation along with their filthy AIDS/crack brats”

By LivingRight

April 11, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

“Who’s the baby’s daddy?” That’s an easy one… Bin Laden!! Bin Laden is the GOP’s Daddy.

By harold

April 11, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

speaking of whoring and prostitution… when are the barbie bandits going on stripping tour with the sugarloaf w*******? harold would love to see that. and he would whistle at them.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

TFTF

Using more half-truths about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson does not remove the fact that you are a delusional facisit. You claim not to be a racist, yet, your whole discussion is about race and the disdain you have for blacks. You must be from Mars!!!

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

snivelling moron rod

how’s your court imposed chemical castration going bubbaturd?

cretin tb

behaviour, colour and centre etc are spelt correctly in my Oxford Dictionary.

learn to read and actually assimilate points made in posts on here bubbaturd… the last paragraph in my initial fact packed gem this morning actually dealt with the obtuse and redundant point you rather doltishly attempted to make about presumably your fave spoiled brat celebrities!!

By Jack

April 11, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

rarringt. Nice 1:54. Thought provoking.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

jbm,

Social decay is a function of greed, and by extension, capitalism.

After all, capitalism is pornography.

That’s some sure ‘nuff decay there. But it’s also capitalism.

By tc

April 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

@Jack…Luv you too dear :) Please don’t take it personal.

By Black Voice of Reason

April 11, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

I am black, and call me what you want. Uncle Tom, traitor, whatever. But for some reason, I do not think that Imus comments was racist.

Imus comments were Sexist. Everyone knows that a lot of Women basketball players on collegiate and pro level, are not the most feminine fettales. Imus made a comment based on observation.

Too me that comic Richardson comments were far more damaging. Richardson made a comment about hanging us from a tree. Imus made a comment based on observation.

I don’t know if they were ho’s or not, but they were definately rough looking and nappy headed.

By THE GOD OF WAR

April 11, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Black voice - but you know you dont call a Black woman nappy headed to her face.. She might have to cut you for that one..

By Joe L

April 11, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

I believe “voice of reason” is black as much as a believe the moon is made of cheese.

By time to pass gas

April 11, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

whilst you’re at it my faux-Brit sister, don’t forget to teach these pondscumleftistafterbirthnambladogturd cretins that defence is also a proper spelling.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Why hasn’t Imus checked into re-hab? They have it for every situation these days. Fixes everyone and everything and makes those shrinks a lot of money.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

witless jackie

HA HA HA HA HA HA

delusional fascist (note spelling) another hilarious classic lefty smear … NO facts so just hurl abuse!!

you sure is one sad demented cow loveykins!!

which halftruths did I “use” about Sharptongue? … read Shakedown a fact packed book about the venal race spoils liar Jackasson … don’t forget the bit about his having a little out of wedlock bit on the side bastard (he paid the mother off) ropund about the time he was counselling the Arkansas rapist in the White House about his adultery with Blewinsky!!

YOU must be from Uranus!!

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Dear rarringt @ 1:54, I apologize for clumsy language, but I cited Mr. Cosby as a leftist who speaks on morality and is often vilified by his ideological brothers. (How dare he say those things, and validate the conservatives!) That takes courage, and most people on the left cannot stand up to that sort of peer rejection, which often takes the form of shunning. Look at Imus now – he endorsed Kerry, and every leftist journalist and commentator is a regular on his show.

You’ll notice that peer rejection is not particularly a problem on the right, and thus disagreement does not particularly require the courage I suggested you would need. My friend TFTT and I often disagree on religion and immigration, but I think he does not feel scorned by my disagreement, nor do I by his. For most conservatives those are the two biggest social issues of our day. Bill Buckley and Ann Coulter are icons of our side of the aisle, and their split is famous, but most conservatives enjoy the works of both. I perceive that even though conservatives are more assertively ideological, that we are also less judgmental and less likely to shun a deviant.

By Jake

April 11, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

JohnD wrote, “Liberals see government as a good thing, a point made by Henry Waxman over the weekend, and Conservatives see government as a drain on the productive abilities of individuals.”

Despite the fact that “Conservatives” have increased the size of federal government significantly faster than “Liberals” during the recent Republican nightmare (leading to an out of control national debt and higher taxes for future generations), the likes of JohnD continues to believe such B.S.

Wake up son. Your platitudes are exactly that.

By THE GOD OF WAR

April 11, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

JBowel Movement - Ann Skeletor Coulter and Bill Buckley Icons? Wow your standards must be very low on the Icon scale.

By Joe L

April 11, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

“That takes courage, and most people on the left cannot stand up to that sort of peer rejection, which often takes the form of shunning”

Sorry but if the ability to step away from the group exists anywhere it’s among liberals. Conservatism is about status quo and staying part of the herd.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Not only did the NC DA state they were dropping the charges but he stated that the Duke lads were INNOCENT OF ANY CRIME!! And that the prosection went ahead “unchecked”.

Nifong will now get a proper legal lynching for his malicious prosecution!! Hiding the exculpatory DNA results from the justice system will cost Nifong dear!!

Surely the sullen whoralicious black prostitute and stripper also needs to go to jail for a long time for making false malicious statements.

Lets hope the Duke lads also sue all the black racebaiters who mouthed off in the media about the “rapist white boys”!!

Despicable … but now a liberal demoNcrat DA now faces his Waterloo!!

By harold

April 11, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Them Duke boys was innocent of any crime?????

Just the good ol’ boys A Never meaning no harm E B7
Beats all you ever saw, been in trouble with the law E Since the day they was born

E A Straightening the curves, flattening the hills E B7 Someday the mountain might get ‘em E But the law never will

Making their way, any way they know how E That’s just a little bit more than the law will allow

A E Just the good ol’ boys A Wouldn’t change if they could E B7 E Fightin’ the system like a true modern day robin hood

go duke boys!

By Van

April 11, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Jim’s a Cherry Picker

Greed and capitalism are not always related.

For example, is Mugabe greedy or just plain stupid?

Is President Thabo of South Africa greedy or is his plan to rid the country of white owned farms visionary?

Greed comes from people with short sighted views of the future. Grab it all now because tomorrow - who knows.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

jbm

Like you, I am not in the least bothered by your orthodox, traditional views on religion or your liberal like pandering on the mexican type illegal infestation. I could care less what folks believe in - but I do have great fun exposing lefty hypocrisy, distortions and cowardice on the race issue!!

By harold

April 11, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

oh,heres why they waited so long to make the announcement about the Duke boys. to distract from this here headline

Defense Secretary Robert Gates extends Army unit tours of duty to up to 15 months and says they will be given 12 months at home after a tour ends.

By Power of Light

April 11, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

The Light is going to hear Obama speak this Saturday at Georgia Tech. Anybody want to come along?

By Lil E. Whyte

April 11, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

RAP/HIP-HOP is poetry?!?! Ugh, it is grinding, vulgar noise cranked out by the lowest of the low & used to glorify a crime-infested, filthy, violent drug culture. So, here we have it, ladies & gentlemen: The dumbing down of America! The coarsening & vulgarization of what once was a culture to be proud of…

By Rod

April 11, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

tftt - still waiting. Got any balls yet? Going to see Sharpton? Of course not.

You prefer to cowardly blog about nasty blacks than to actually confront one.

How pathetic.

By Power of Light

April 11, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Black Voice of Reason,

You are not an Uncle Tom. You are an independent thinking human being who does not let the color of a person’s skin dictate the meaning of a situation.

By Van

April 11, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Joe L,

Sorry,but the left is so locked into group think that there are few if any dissenters with in the lefties ranks.

The candidates from the left all seem about the same, vapid, John Kerry like. The candidates from the right are all over the place, Rudy is a social liberal, McCain is a hawk with a broad liberal streak. The only point of similarity between any of the candidates so far, is the lack of leadership. They all are slaves to the polls.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 11, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Van,

I re-read my post and don’t see where I used the term “always”.

In order for social decay to occur, not all transactions in a free market need to be culturally damaging in nature. But because of the nature of capitalism, enough are so that the boundaries of what is socially acceptable are continually moving forward enough to open new markets.

Elvis was pretty shocking 40 years ago, but not compared to Britney.

Toasty-o’s were pretty ground breaking cereal 50 years ago, but not compared to Oreo Cookie Dough flavored Crunchy Bits.

“All in the Family” was pretty progressive in the day, but not when compared to anything on Fox.

Marilyn Monroe was fairly racy in the day, but Anna Nicole makes her look like a staid granny.

All of those things happened as a function of capitalistic tendencies, and they’re all examples of social decay.

Give the people what they want…

By Realist

April 11, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

TFTT,

Are you of any kin to these spoiled brats? Because I’m sick as hell of seeing you harp on about that old a* Duke non-rape case, brother. We all knew that broad was lying as soon as her partna in crime said she lied.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

The should lock that DA up. Pandering to the black community in an election cycle by proceeding with the procecution. He needs to be put with those he locked up. No K.Y. for him either.

By harold

April 11, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

dat Imus man wouldn’t say dat ‘bout dem white guls. Dem colored guls say dey gon meet wit him dis week. I be waitin t’ see what gone happen.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Johnny Cash’s House burned down. I think it fell into a ring of fire.

By Dusty

April 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

rarringt,

So, call us all “Imus”. Well, you may be but I prefer to disagree. Why do you assume everyone is an under cover racist, one way or another? Because you yourself are one? Or because some of us are conservatives?

You think I don’t know a little bit about prejudice? I can post here that I am a Southerner and proud to be one. Then come the snide remarks, the overt insults and the absolute assumption that I am prejudiced and a member of the long defunct KKK. Redneck Convert uses the comic ignorant pseudo-Southern character in his undercover work to denigrate conservatives. There are many forms of prejudice. Imus just showed one of them.

My opinion does not change whether face to face or post to post. In fact I have some “dueling” liberal friends with whom I have found it is quite possible to disagree agreeably face to face. It just doesn’t happen here.

By Joe L

April 11, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

“Sorry,but the left is so locked into group think that there are few if any dissenters with in the lefties ranks.

The candidates from the left all seem about the same, vapid, John Kerry like. The candidates from the right are all over the place, Rudy is a social liberal, McCain is a hawk with a broad liberal streak.”

BWAH! Ah there’s a good laugh for today. First McCain seemed to actually be a real candidate, but then he pandered to the group and conformed just like all the rest of the conservatives. God forbid he seem different and not judgemental of what everyone decides to do in private. All over the place, rich! I have never seen more groupthink than any of you sad Bush loyalists.

Secondly, the Democrats are NOT LIBERAL nor left. In America both parties are right of center. The fact that there are not any communists, socialists, environmentalists, etc. in representation is indicative of that.

So again I maintain that LIBERALS (not Democrats) have more independence of thought.

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Dear TFTT @ 3:12, to borrow your affirmation, “Cheers, mate.”

By GOD OF WAR

April 11, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Nobody is commenting on the rash of releases they recently of those cleared of rape due to DNA evidence. Where’s the outrage for those prosecutors heads?

By Jack

April 11, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Yeah Cherry Picker. Each generation believes society is going to Hell. I heard my father say it when I was young. I catch myself saying the same thing. Our children will say it too. It will keep being said until the fire finally comes. When it does don’t look back. There is enough salt for the margaritas.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

I assume you are NOT the real Realist … the real Realist would not be so boorish or cavalier about a liberal/black lynching.

Will crackpipe slither on to retract its lies about the innocent Duke lads …? I recall crackpipe posting inflammatory racially charged rhetoric when it slavishly swallowed the vile lies of a black prostitute and a lying incompetent malicious leftist demoNcrat prosecutor.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

It’s bad when you say crack pipe and we know to whom you refer…

By watch out

April 11, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Hey Rod and Jack,

Al better watch out, he could end up like, nevermind… you get the picture.

By watch out

April 11, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Hey Rod and Jack,

Al better watch out, he could end up like, nevermind… you get the picture.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 11, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Hi Jack,

I have a battery powered blender so that when the lights go out I can still make few more frozen ones before it really gets bad.

But, re my earlier post, I wasn’t saying that we’re going to hell. I was responding to jbmlaw’s (via Van) earlier post inviting someone to join the conservatives’ fight against social decay.

It’s my opinion, which I can back up pretty well, that social decay is a function of capitalism, not the left.

Which is ironic because conservatives are all about capitalism and such.

Anywho, that’s where social/moral decay comes from. Sex, drugs, violence and raunch sell. In volume.

Don’t be hatin.

By SET

April 11, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

This is a very simple problem to end.

We legislate that a Bastard Child has no right to the name or support of his biological father. We legislate that the mother has no duty to allow visitation or even notice of the birth of a Bastard to any biological father. In other words, bring back the Bastardy laws. Neither side gets anything unless there is a marriage, an adoption, or a written contract. Let the negotiations begin.

End of Problem.

Then we eliminate welfare based on a woman having bastards she can’t feed. Allow the bastards to be taken by 1>Her family 2> Bio Daddy or his family 3> interested neighbors or 4> Angela Jolie.

End of remaining problems.

By Van

April 11, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Jim’s a Cherry Picker,

Your post was about greed and capitalism. Not social breakdown - and yes, my parents warned me about the breakdown of society.

We have today a generation that will not take responsibility. While there are many that do take up their mantle of adulthood, many do not. We have too many 30 year old teenagers.

This gives up a generation of greedy snot nosed brats. They want everything their parents took a lifetime to acquire without the sacrifice it took to obtain.

This is not a product of capitalism. Capitalism is the use of money to make more money, not the gathering of everything under the sun for yourself.

Abortion, why take up the responsibility of raising another like you - get rid of it. Don’t like your job, don’t change, just quit. Oh, but that new model car looks great, so what if I am upside down on the “old” one, lets trade up. Why should I serve in the military, that isn’t the life I want to live, let the dopes join, I won’t.

These are the greedy, not those that want to make something in and of this country. Let me invest in funding mortgages so someone can buy their first home, at a reasonable rate. Let me invest in a corporation that will generate jobs for someone wanting to earn their way up the ladder.

Thats capitalism, pure and simple.

By Blind Homer

April 11, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Hunting down the daddies may provide a little finanical assistance, which is fine. But society would be much better served by requiring mandatory sterilization of any baby momma going on public assistance. One mistake should be plenty.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 11, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Van,

Thanks for telling me what I was talking about.

And that’s great that you’re still stuck on the sales and marketing hype that they taught you in the Boy Scouts, but what I’m talking about is the natural tendency for people in free markets to push those markets in order to attract the attention of people’s basic fears and desires.

I’m talking about this

And I’m talking about this

You’re in some kind of dreamland if you think that those two businesses are off the beaten path.

By JohnD

April 11, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Jake @ 3:03,

Assumption is the Mother of all great mistakes.

“…Conservatives see government as a drain…”

At no time did I reference the current administration. The current administration acted as Liberals once in office, deserting the base upon which elected and shunning Conservative values along the way. Calling yourself a Conservative and actually being a Conservative are two different things in this case.

The “likes” of me, indeed!

By sidney

April 11, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Funny. The ajc took down a poll about Rev. Sharpton coming to town tonight. I wonder why? The results weren’t quite as they expected? Can we get an ajc poll on who wants Nancy Pelosi to go to Iran and assist Iran with developing nuclear material if they say it’s for peaceful purposes? link Who elected this woman to secretary of state anyway? One does wonder what this dingbat thinks she’s doing. Perhaps she thinks she’s following in the footsteps of Madam Albright without the title. If so, she’s sure on the right path to kissing up to the enemy who wants to destroy us. link I pray her wreckless arrogance causes her demise as well as ultimately that of her party. Just give them time.

By JohnD

April 11, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Social decay comes from Capitalism?

Capitalism encourages a single female to have children by several different men with no real idea who the actual sperm donor was?

Capitalism creates the desire in segments of the society to live off of the government and sup at the public trough?

Capitalism encourages couples to follow their own desires and ignore the children produced and thus create another generation of entitlement junkies?

On the contrary, Capitalism encourages people to succeed, to enjoy the fruits of their labors and then to share with their family, to encourage their children to become useful, law-abiding members of society and take pride in their families and lives.

Socialism, on the other hand, encourages people to look to government to solve all their problems, bail them out with entitlements and become non-productive users.

Linking to “Girls Gone Wild” and “Payday Loans” does not support your position anymore than one disgrace like Al Sharpton makes all Black Ministers bad people. OK, two disgraces counting Jesse Jackson.

Are all Liberals racists now that Imus made that ignorant statement?

By getalife

April 11, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

“Christian Right preaches Liberal evil:

Members of the radical Christian End Times movement are being taught to believe that America is ruled by evil, clandestine organizations disguised as liberal groups. As a result, the fearful are hoping for the end.”

Hahahahaha.

Ahh man,

Hey idiots, you are running this disaster.

Geez.

Unfreakingbelivable.

Bwhahahahahaha!

That is hilarious.

By Platitudes From JohnD

April 11, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

JohnD wrote, “Capitalism encourages people to succeed, to enjoy the fruits of their labors and then to share with their family, to encourage their children to become useful, law-abiding members of society and take pride in their families and lives. Socialism, on the other hand, encourages people to look to government to solve all their problems, bail them out with entitlements and become non-productive users.”

JohnD,

To prove your point, how about giving us a rundown on the following statistics and letting us know how the U.S. ranks compared to other industrialized countries?

That should be enough to keep you busy. A little warning — you might not like what you find.

By JohnD

April 11, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Postscript to my post at 5:07,

If the Bush administration were actually Conservative, we would have:

Immigration reform with expulsion of all illegals currently in the US and a return to reasonable limits on legal immigration.

Tax reform, elimination of the IRS and a consumption based tax along the lines of the FairTax, that would take poverty level taxpayers out of the system, put criminals and other “cash only” citizens in the system, make our goods and services competitive in the world market thus bringing jobs BACK to the US and removing the primary source of power for Congress and the White House over our lives. This would also balance the budget and make great strides toward reducing our debt.

Elimination of the Departments of Education and Agriculture, to name just two, and the return of those responsibilities to the states.

Repeal of the Patriot Act, which actually would never have been passed by true Conservatives. Refer to the comments of the Founding Fathers on Security vs. Freedom.

An actual victory in Iraq.

We have created a political system that gives us candidates like Bush, Clinton, Dukakis, Gore and so on - none of whom have any statesman qualities and are far from our best and brightest.

We have watched the level of discipline in society decline steadily since the elimination of the military draft. We went from a country with most all males giving part of their lives to support of our freedoms to a country where few contribute.

This is not a rebuke of our military; in fact I feel a sense of pride every time I meet one of our service men and women. They speak clearly, shake your hand firmly, look you in the eye, use yes sir and yes ma’am as easily as posters use profanity on this blog and are generally a tribute to America.

I will tell you from experience that a few years of having someone in your face every day, demanding quality and demeaning you beyond belief when you fail to meet expectations, will make you a better person and make you immune to words spoken in hate or humor. You realize they are only WORDS.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

April 12, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

John D,

I’m not sure why my statements keep getting twisted in order for people to respond to them, but I guess that means that I’m right.

Again, I’ve re-read my posts and nowhere do I find any mention of socialsim or welfare mothers. Nor do I ever say that capitalism doesn’t provide huge upside. I don’t believe that I expressed any support for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson ever.

The original thread had to do with jbmlaw’s assertion that social decay is somehow linked with “the left” and that “conservatives” have the patent on fighting it.

If you re-read my statements, what you’ll find is my argument that capitalism, through it’s tendency to play towards peoples’ basest instincts of sex, fear, greed, etc… continually pushes the norms of what is acceptable behaviour in society.

About 99 percent of social decay can be linked either directly or indirectly to capitalistic ventures.

One of the ones I listed, girls gone wild, is an example of someone who has made millions of dollars and employed hundreds of people by exploiting young, vulnerable girls and by making that kind of behaviour a little more acceptable in popular culture. The founder, Joe Francis, is a very wealthy entrepenuer.

But what are his values? What has he contributed to society? Has he elevated our culture?

No. He made a bunch of money. That’s the name of the game. Make money. And if it means dragging the culture a little further down into the dirt to do so, then that’s fine…everyone else is doing it.

By MA

April 12, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Richard: Sorry I didn’t see your very rude post until too late to reply. You are correct — it was not 25% it was 1 out of every 25. The source is the BBC News archive. The British already do DNA testing on large groups of their population. PS Any remarks about my anatomy are uncalled for and show more about you than about me.

By JohnD

April 12, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

JaCP,

Perhaps we both have reading comprehension issues.

I was offering examples of social decay, the general topic, that I do not believe have anything to do with Capitalism.

I do not know if Joe Francis began the “Girls Gone Wild” videos with the idea of making money or whether he just like young wild women. Very often the money is secondary.

I did not assert you supported Sharpton or Jackson, I stated that one or two bad apples do not spoil the entire group - the reference ot all black ministers.

While you assert Capitalism plays to the basest instincts I would argue just the opposite. Capitalism encourages individuality, self-improvement, development of social grace, public awareness, education, and motivation.

I will never agree that “99 per cent of social decay can be linked directly or indirectly to capitalistic ventures”. I would argue if there is a “99 per cent in play” on this issue the fault would lie in the liberal view of sexuality, morals and the increasingly dependent segments of society encouraged to remain so by liberal social policy and liberal government policy.

We will have to agree to disagree.

By Doc

April 13, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

I agree with Jim Wooten completely. I have also been on target with this issue in Georgia Forums.

It is not only child abuse when a mother can not provide the father of the child because of her own lame excuses.. if he was good enought to lay down with, he is good enough? Right.. unless you are raped and then you turn the joker in if you know who he is.. most ride the system tho.. for years.. we pay for too many dna test.. and it is not cheap.. somethings wrong when we take away from the working family to give to multiple dna testing! Something is very wrong.. not only with morals and values of the person who is neglecting the child their rights to KNOW who fathered him or her.. Anyone who would be for multiple dna testing, has their own reasons for that.. says alot about them too.. and when you ask me for my vote, to pay taxes… and you go and want from the system rather than need, it becomes EVERYONE elses business.. cause they are paying your way.. most who need assistance do not wrap their world around it to fit so they can be dependant.. most who need it rather than want it will be on it enough to get up and make the changes, make wrongs right again.. but there are more who wants rather than needs.. thats a clear picture of statistics..

Thank you Jim.. I agree with you!

By Doc

April 13, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

I agree with Jim Wooten completely. I have also been on target with this issue in Georgia Forums.

It is not only child abuse when a mother can not provide the father of the child because of her own lame excuses.. if he was good enought to lay down with, he is good enough? Right.. unless you are raped and then you turn the joker in if you know who he is.. most ride the system tho.. for years.. we pay for too many dna test.. and it is not cheap.. somethings wrong when we take away from the working family to give to multiple dna testing! Something is very wrong.. not only with morals and values of the person who is neglecting the child their rights to KNOW who fathered him or her.. Anyone who would be for multiple dna testing, has their own reasons for that.. says alot about them too.. and when you ask me for my vote, to pay taxes… and you go and want from the system rather than need, it becomes EVERYONE elses business.. cause they are paying your way.. most who need assistance do not wrap their world around it to fit so they can be dependant.. most who need it rather than want it will be on it enough to get up and make the changes, make wrongs right again.. but there are more who wants rather than needs.. thats a clear picture of statistics..

Thank you Jim.. I agree with you!