Thinking Right

By KR

April 11, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

The fact that you’d be willing to spend $5 to collect $1 speaks volumes about your credentials as a fiscal conservative.

By Jeff

April 11, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Good commentary, Mr. Wooten. My only concern is this:

What about women who give the child up for adoption?

While I could support going ahead with the scans as you propose, could the records be sealed so that the mother’s wishes that she not be found be upheld?

By Mid-South Philosopher

April 11, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

The revelation that Dannilynn’s father is definitely Larry Birkhead is only eclisped in importance by the revelation that the crime rate in the greater Atlanta metropolitan area has declined to such an extent that the most important use of resources is directed toward apprehending old and/or middle aged, fat men who are engaged in the horrendous crime of playing poker for money.

What an example of the ultimate stupidity of government!

By ron

April 11, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Wooten,good point.Everyone should know who their mother and father is even if in many cases they’d be better off not knowing.But on second thought,if I happened to be the spawn of say,Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh,i WOULD ASK THAT

By ron

April 11, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Sometime after I figure out what happened during my last post I’ll continue my thoughts.All I did was hit the backspace key.Anyway you all get the drift.

By ron

April 11, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

So, while I was gathering my thought,there was an especially vicious cat fight on the computer table.Most of what was on the table is now on the floor.I rescued the monitor,but that leaves the printer,the speakers,books,discs,the phone,sunglasses,and various other things still down there.I’m bleeding from a 2 inch gash on the top of my wrist and my coffee is missing.The window shade is also gone.Blogging is exciting,to say the least.

By harold

April 11, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

if out of wedlock births were such a problem, why didnt God Create women not to be able to birth outside of wedlock? Obviously because it’s not a problem in the eyes of God.

wedlock is nothing more a state of official paperwork

so, if a woman births a baby and accuses Donald Trump or Jim Wooten or some other famous rich white dude of being her Baby Daddy, is it fair that Donald Trump and Jim Wooten spend all their time studying for DNA tests? Harold thinks not.

In the age of rampant identity fraud, evenutally your DNA is going to be your identity. To pay, you will wipe your finger on the wiper at the store and it’ll collect stray skin cells and get your DNA numbers and charge your bank account

Should Donaled Trump and Jim Wooten be forced to disclose their DNA number to every Baby Momma on Earth?

By Dennis

April 11, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Mr.Wooten writes, “Restoring the traditional two-parent family is another of the challenges conservatives face in trying to use government to reverse trends that are harmful to society.”

No doubt, in a statement like this, liberals are without ethics. Damned liberals brought us intergration, women’s sufferage, public education, public health accessibility for the under priviledged….

And which type of political thinking is always trying to remove these benefits that improve the lives of all of us? Liberals?

You don’t have to be a blind conservaive not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Jeff

April 11, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Dennis:

Democrats wanted to keep Slavery. It was Republicans who ended the practice… something you obviously conveniently forgot….

By getalife

April 11, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

They do that already Jim

Usually takes several men tested to find the real Daddy.

Geez.

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. While the Smith baby kafuffle motivates Jim’s thoughts, the issue surely becomes politically relevant only because of the ongoing transfer of taxpayer wealth to mothers obtaining government assistance. I respectfully suggest that the change in procedure needs to be earlier in the process, at the time of issuance of the birth certificate.

The present practice is – or maybe I should be less definite, at least until recently the practice was - that Georgia will not enroll the name of the father on the birth certificate without acknowledgement by the father. I had a strange case a couple of years ago: after an extra-wedlock conception, the father died in a vehicle accident eight months before the birth of the child. My client did not think to preserve DNA to prove paternity (who would?), and as there was no father present at birth, the birth certificate was blank on that line. The evidently-immaculately conceived child was unable to obtain social security benefits because the remote family DNA match was only 95%, less than the statutory requirement for presumption in the state of Georgia. Fortunately we had an intelligent judge and other witness testimony by the father’s family to establish the paternity, but that child may have been left out in the cold by a less intelligent judge.

My conclusion was that the Georgia laws were written to protect male legislators against allegations of paternity. I support the changes Jim urges.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Here we go again. Big Government always poking their noses into someones personal business.. I say you fiscal conservatives mind your business at your home and figure out who your wife is sleeping with before you try to fix someone elses relationship.. Perverts. I noticed something also, conservatives are always blaming someone else for the plight of this country. The richest country on earth and we cant afford goodwill to our own countrymen, but we can surely spend it on foreign lands who hate us. Well we were the richest country on earth before The dumbest President in 50 years took office.

By Michelle

April 11, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

I always knew this old jackass was a racist. Thanks for confirming my beliefs.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

While black Americans have the highest percentage of births that are out-of- wedlock, this does not mean that most illegitimate children in the U.S. are black. Blacks represent only a small portion of the U.S. population. Since whites greatly outnumber blacks within the population, the number of white children born out-of wedlock exceeds the number of such black children. Of the roughly 1.2 million children born outside marriage in 1997: 41 percent were non-Hispanic Whites; 32 percent were non-Hispanic Blacks; 23 percent were Hispanics; American Indians and Asians each comprised 2 percent. Quote this next time you spin something Idiot.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

And just what is the state supposed to do if a nappy headed ho shows up and suspects five or ten deadbeat dads of being the father of the child?

The new “N” word: Nappy. I dont even know what it means. I’ve never heard it before.

But Imus has to go. It doesn’t matter if the phrase was archaic or oblique, or even vaguely nonsensical. The point is that NAPPY HEADED HO was used as a variation of the “n” word, against americans.

And I’m so sick of hate……

Jim’s proposal today shows why he’s a great blogger. He picked the most unrealistic, undoable solution, to a problem that has evolved out of our media centered universe: we all want to be players. Delirious mothers give birth at their prom and stuff the infant in either a commode or a waste basket, (and they think they’ll get away with it too).

We are sick, a victim of the post world war era of our collective sense of invulnerability and righteousness. The greatest generation instilled into us all this sense of entitlement from god that we deserve the world’s resources because we fought for them. We feel a divine right toward hegemonic resource allocation. I dont see a problem with that. What country would dare object? Ours is the only true religion, and god wouldn’t let us down.

The truth is that None of us can claim immunity from God’s wrath against our sins, for we all contribute. Thoughts are real. We send signals that get absorbed. It’s called the Zeitgeist. And it’s alive in all of us and activated by our collective focus. By thinking about Darfur, we affect it.

We tend to trend together with like-minded thoughts. Just look how this once droll blog has devolved into hate cabals. We are the great satan so cleverly described by the Ayotollah in the 70’s.

There are good men, but they are silent, and that’s all haters need.

Imus has to go. I need to hear not a single word more from his mind.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

It is important to note that nearly all of the increase in illegitimacy occurring in recent years is due to whites (including Hispanic whites.) Between 1980 and 1997, annual black non-marital births increased by only about 100,000. By contrast, white out-of-wedlock births more than doubled (rising from 328,984 to 793,202). In 1980 the numbers of black and white out-of-wedlock births were nearly equal; by 1997 there were almost two white out-of-wedlock births for each black birth.

By harold

April 11, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

why is big woot ranting about black baby mommas on welfare anyway? the story that provoked the rant contains

-white baby

-white baby momma

-white baby daddy

-billionaire baby will be paying baby daddy’s way

aint no blacks and aint no government welfare

supposin’ annie nacole was married to that kato kaelin when the baby was birthed, well she dead now so what in hell would that have mattered? some lawyers wouldnt get as rich, that’s all

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Good morning all,

Jeff,

For the record, a “democrat” in the mid-19th century was actually what we would label today a conservative. If it makes you feel better, think dixiecrat.

Republicans, on the other hand, represented the more progressive wing of american politics. Look at the geography, statement and political philosophies and actions, rather than some empty titles. I know Karl Rove has been teaching you otherwise, but it really does make for a more fun debate if you’re dealing with the genuine facts.

On to the debate. I agree with Jim that one-parent households are, and have been for some time, at epidemic levels. However, I wonder whether, as Jim characterizes it, this is an issue which can be neatly tracked by race.

The natural conclusion drawn by Jim’s illustration is that as you go from whites to latinos to blacks, the lack of responsibility in raising families increases. I don’t know if that’s an accurate assessment.

Let’s make the wild assumption that whites like to have sex as much as minorities, and that teens and young women of all ethnicities are confronted with unexpected pregnancies in roughly the same proportions.

Planned parenthood has regularly reported that blacks and latinos appear in their clinics with substantially less regularity than whites. Any views on the “abortion explosion” amongst whites, Jim?

In addition, if you were to place a graph of poverty rates among racial communities on top of the fatherless family graph, I wouldn’t be surprised if they matched up pretty closely.

It doesn’t excuse not taking responsibility, of course, but the problem probably stems from economics more than race-particular morality. If you insist that this is a morality tale, then what do the sky-high abortion-rates among white women tell us about the “conservative” pro-life movement?

See, it’s really a bit more complicated than that.

By Elizabeth

April 11, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

I was born out of wedlock and I have an MBA, own two homes, and am happily married. My father was a felon and I am a law-abiding, church-going taxpayer. Legitimacy isn’t a cure-all for social problems. If it were THAT simple, we wouldn’t have any more social ills.

By AntiMatter

April 11, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Democrats wanted to keep Slavery. It was Republicans who ended the practice… something you obviously conveniently forgot….

let us re-phrase that then:

Conservatives wanted to keep Slavery. It was Liberals who ended the practice.

Better understood, simpleton?

By Rod

April 11, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

I see Wooten is babbling again.

You say: “When a pregnant woman presents herself for public assistance, she should be required to identify the male she suspects as having caused her pregancy. That accusation would be sufficient to obligate him, by law, to submit DNA samples.” So, if she says the baby’s dad is Tom Cruse - he’s forced to submit samples. Then she says it’s George Bush - force him to submit samples. Get real, that idea is lame.

You also said: “of out-of-wedlock births, … born into homes without a mother and a father present”. Get your facts straight. Out of wedlock does not mean without a father present. Many of the time the man/woman are together, they just choose not to be “married” under your laws. Not all unmarried women are really “single”. You’re just an old man who thinks anyone not married is shameful. Your ideas are shameful.

By Dennis

April 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

By rarringt April 11, 2007 10:15 AM |

“… and that teens and young women of all ethnicities are confronted with unexpected pregnancies in roughly the same proportions.”

“In addition, if you were to place a graph of poverty rates among racial communities on top of the fatherless family graph, I wouldn’t be surprised if they matched up pretty closely.”

Statistics have shown that you are pretty much right.

And, that the percentages of teenagers who go to church and are having unprotected sex are about the same as those who don’t go to church and are having unprotected sex.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Political Foreskin

April 11, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

CNN just reported that “Nappy headed ho” is a new demographic group and Madison Avenue is paying attention. Expect advertisers to produce new commercials featuring a lineup of the different stereotypes of nappy.

Nappy has already appeared in wickopedia, google, and in the Who’s Who of Ho’s book for 2007. (Who’s Ho?)

New Products: Nappy Barbie…..Ho Barbie…..Nappy-legged Shick Shavers for Ho’s…..and of course, the ubiquitous Nappy Flavored Feminine Itch Salve and Heady-Ho Douchebags for supreme protection and freshness.

Summer Ho. Nappy Breeze..

I know, you get the bit.

By Sandy_G

April 11, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, What you suggest, is already law in Georgia. Any mother presenting herself for government assistance for a child, is already required to identify the father. The government then goes after the father for reimbursement of any government assistance. In order to legally establish paternity, a DNA test is now required. Once paternity is established, then a child support order is requested from the courts and the money is garnished from the man’s wages.

However, he has no legal right to custody or visitation of the child, until he hires his own attorney, paid out of his own pocket and goes to court to request visitation.

The Georgia Office of Child Support Enforcement is very aggressive in this area because their funding from the Federal government is directly tied to the amount of money they collect from non-custodial parents.

If a mother decides to give up a child for adoption, she must name the father and make every effort to locate him and obtain his agreement and signature on the adoption papers. However, if the father does not agree to the adoption, he does not automatically get custody under Georgia law, but again, must go to court on his own dime to seek custody.

As we see in the Anna Nicole case, fathers are not always to blame for not being there for their children. In Anna Nicole’s case, she obviously knew that there was a very good chance that the baby was not Stern’s and she actively worked through the legal system to deny Larry Birkhead the opportunity to be a father to his child, including putting someone else’s name on the birth certificate and resisting every attempt to legally determine the paternity of the child.

If you want to know why so many children are raised in fatherless homes, try talking to some unwed fathers or divorced fathers. When a divorce happens, it is presumed that the mother’s home is the best place for the child and the father is reduced to a visitor only allowed to see his children four to six days per month and two weeks in the summer. Dad becomes a paycheck and a visitor, no longer a parent.

This is government-sponsored discrimination based on the illusion that it is in the “best interests of the child” to no longer have the day-to-day presence of a father. It’s also, very likely part of the reason that 60% of divorces are initiated by the woman. She is guaranteed custody of the children and monthly check.

It would be interesting to see how the divorce rate and the unwed pregnancy rate would be affected if joint or shared custody was the norm and fathers had equal access to the children and legal assistance that mothers currently have. If mom knew that Dad was going to share the custody of the children and that he would still be a large part of their lives and she would have to work at co-parenting and making decisions related to the children with Dad, I wonder if divorce would still be as attractive an option for women.

I wonder also, if unwed mothers knew that they would be required to produce a father for the child at the time of birth and share custody with him, how many young women might think twice about their choice of romantic partners?

In my opinion, every time a child is born, there should be a DNA test, whether the mother is married, single or divorced. That way, no man would be required to support a child that is not his (it happens all the time) and no child would ever have to wonder who their father is.

By Bommerango

April 11, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

So, Coretta Scott King was rejected by the ‘pubs, eh?

They were going to put up a picture gallery of Glenn Richardson’s girlfriends and Sonny’s (formerly our) money, but there wasn’t enough room.

Say that reminds me, what’s up with that Richardson guy? He’s dogcrap ugly, but gets all this women.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Undeniably this shameful and socially catastrophic (see the crime stats and births stats) problem is disproportionately a black problem with the hispanic types seemingly catching up fast.

Until racebaiting hypocritical hustler scumbags like Sharptongue and Jackasson actually expend their poisonous, despicable, wholly self serving energies in a more selfless less venal direction and begin to demand that blacks literally stop feeding the endemic (black on black) crime wave that so many sullen ebonics spouting yoofs gleefully participate in little will change in the USA.

Its primarily a black cultural (male and female)thang … which serious numbers of hispanic types and a hefty minority of white trash whites are sadly now eagerly surrendering to. Refusing to take responsibility for their actions, expecting others to pay for such irresponsibility and with so many eager female sperm receptacles ready willing and able to breed like rabbits the surfeit of unwanted/unprovided for babies is unsurprisingly taking his ever increasing hefty toll. Not least on the innocent babies who are produced by a staggering number of feckless, hedonistic, all too often poorly educated peasants who are either seeking welfare type benefits or whose shortsighted, immature selfishness/promiscuity runs their lives

Just think how much worse the problem would be without abortion on demand. The figures I’ve seen quoted for just black babies aborted for the last 25 years or so runs into the millions. The jails and courts and inner city schools would be inundated if these unwanted and unprovided for ‘illigitimate’ babies had all been born.

Its time that the black racebaiters stopped screeching about these awkward undeniable facts and began to address their own community’s catastrophic problems. A few brave, lone visionary voices like Bill Cosby have started to be heard … but the racial spoils crowd are far more concerned with their meal tickets and blaming whitey or anyone else. Its way too easy to FALSELY screech rape in NYC or Durham NC and then endlessly march and racebait… or bleat and whine about minor matters like the Confederate Flag … but actually meaningfully addressing the endemic problems of unremitting black yoof crime, unwanted and unprovided for and fatherless black babies would make a huge difference to all of us.

The black women who produce numerous babies by different deadbeat fathers should also be targeted for socially punitive measures. Clearly its not just the 70% of ‘illegitimate’ babies produced by the black girls/women doing this - but its now indelibly become part of their everyday life experience.

WSB TV shows the end results of this at least locally night after night. No one (at least collectively) really cares in the black community or else they would actually do something to change such behaviour which has been getting worse and worse for decades now!

Save your empty witless screeches of racist for someone who gives a sh!t, is hopelessly intellectually dishonest and loves pandering and blatant vote buying over dealing with this out of control problem… Its taxpayers and decent citizens OF ALL COLOURS who invariably end up picking up the massive social costs bill … as victims of crime, as foster parents, as cops, as drug rehab workers, as social workers, as family members doing the right thing by looking after all these babies fathered by deadbeat arseholes and born to these millions of sluttish stupid hedonistic women!!

And if you are one of these single parent motherss (or single parent fathers) whose kid(s) are NOT part of problem … good for you … but dont obtusely and dishonestly condemn me for my astute comments, they obviously dont apply to you.

By Rod

April 11, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Hey time for the truth - I see Al Sharpton is going to be at Emory tonight (7:00). Why don’t you go and tell him your opinions in person? Could it be that you’re to much of a coward to actually state your racist opinions in person and have to blog to do it?

Huh? Huh?

If you’re a real man (instead of a cowardly pu$$y) you’ll show up at the forum and tell him your thoughts. Details of the meeting are in today’s AJC.

By Dusty

April 11, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Did I miss something here? Jim Wooten wrote that ALL babies thrive better in a traditional family of mother and father. If he mentioned skin color I didn’t see it.

He did mention statistics on the status of babies being born in the USA as to their fathers. But statistics are facts not opinions. Accurate statistics are numbers, not “isms”.

I doubt that Jim’s solution would work unless there is some legal application attached to birth certificates. Then we would have a DNA office next door to all the other D….Departments. Surely, we would hear about privacy issues, etc.etc.

If only morality were still in “style”. But that, according to an old saying, states morality cannot be regulated. When money is involved , maybe “morality” can be regulated.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Well said TFTT.

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Foreskin,

Nice to see you back (though I’ve suspected you might be the mind behind Redneck Convert).

I think the issue is overblown somewhat. First, the comment isn’t merely racist, it’s also sexist (men or boys don’t refer to each other generally as hos).

That’s denigrating to all women, especially to the young women on the Rutgers team who are, by all accounts, model students and great people.

That said, Imus has been doing this for 30 years with virtual impunity. He’s a smart aleck professional provacateur, who generates tons of revenue for NBC because millions of people get off on his type of diatribe.

If we take him down, what should be done with the mob who has supported this foolishness for decades? Or the rappers and other entertainers who have taken the word to an art form, with virtual impunity. They can “keep it real,” but Imus is a misogynistic hate-monger?

What he said isn’t right by any measure, but neither is scape-goating the man for what is a systemic issue.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Dusty. They ignored that as they know the ratios don’t look good for them.

Hey Rod. That would be like you going to a KKK rally. Would you go there and express your opinions? Uh huh.

By Van

April 11, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Part of this trend is, of course, the tax code. While most could not even name their congresscritter, the tax code punishes the married by taxing them at a higher rate. So why get married?

To take responsibility for your actions, to commit to a relationship, to give your child a stable upbringing and to take legal steps to protect your new family, not to mention the things that the left has no idea about, like love, devotion and feelings for another individual being.

No, the democrats have crafted the tax codes so married folks pay more. I guess they do have a soft spot for the bastards of the world. I can understand the democrats love affair with loose women and men with worse morals.

I guess the lack of any religious background makes this easier for the lefties, the progressives, the socialists.

I do expect a group think from the left to denounce my opinions, since they are contrary to their borg like collective mind.

So from the start, I too was raise by a single mother, but you see, my father lost his life during the Korean war, something a good democrat would never do, serve willingly in the military that is.

By Realist

April 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

I would love to see where you seen black abortion rates in the millions. I’ve looked for this in the past to post here..but all the numbers I find are so far skewed toward white abortion numbers, its not worth posting.

By Shiela

April 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Wooten,

Please give it a rest. You conservatives constantly show yourselves to be moral hypocrites.
-Ted Haggard anyone? Conservatives are morally worse than the people they preach to and those they preach about.

I’m sure the Marta CEO who got caught in the airport bathroom is conservative as well..

Yes, the out of wedlock epidemic is horrible, but you have 2 choices, be part of the solution or be part of the problem. Running your mouth doesn’t count towards being part of the solution..

By Shiela

April 11, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Wooten,

Please give it a rest. You conservatives constantly show yourselves to be moral hypocrites.
-Ted Haggard anyone? Conservatives are morally worse than the people they preach to and those they preach about.

I’m sure the Marta CEO who got caught in the airport bathroom is conservative as well..

Yes, the out of wedlock epidemic is horrible, but you have 2 choices, be part of the solution or be part of the problem. Running your mouth doesn’t count towards being part of the solution..

By Dusty

April 11, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Sandy,

I thought your post was very informative about Georgia law. Sounds like Georgia is already after “drop by see ya later” fathers. How successful is the execution of this law?

Maybe high schools should have better civic classes instead of sex education. But I am doubtful that laws will ever replace the “nobility” of morality.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

It seems that for one to say a child does best in a home where both parents are present is not factual. The divorce rate in the USA is 50%.
For the sake of argument, we will assume that 50% of the children are affected by divorce. Does this imply that 50% of the children in this country are wards of the state? The argument being used and the “facts” being used to support this argument is old, tired and fictional.

By Rod

April 11, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Hey Jack - first, I’m not black. Second, reading your comments obviously you’re a racist. Third, the Sharpton discussion isn’t an NAACP meeting. Here’s what the AJC has written about it:

*The Rev. Al Sharpton, a key critic of radio show host Don Imus, will be a member of the panel at the Emory College Council’s seventh annual “State of Race” discussion tonight at Emory University.

Also slated to be on the panel are Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy and Emory Provost Earl Lewis, a professor of African-American studies. The moderator will be Susan Tamasi, a senior lecturer in Emory’s linguistics department, the university announced.

The discussion, which is free and open to the public, will run from 7-8:30 p.m. at the university’s Woodruff P.E. Center, 600 Asbury Circle.*

By the way, tftt hasn’t shown his cowardly opinion on this yet. Guess he’s cleaning himself up after peeing all over himself.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

snivelling moron rod

having seen the thuggish way a decent moral visionary black preacher … the Rev Jesse Lee Peterson … was treated a while back by black leftist thugs at a Rainbow Coalition shakedown of Toyota and how despicably Sharptongue treated the sad jerk Imus the other day its clear that Sharptongue and his ilk are simply black fascists who will never listen to anyone who - in this instance - has legitimate criticism of the millions of deadbeat blacks and the selfish women who breed with them.

Remember bubbaturd, this is the same Sharptongue - who after the brutal gang rape of the Central Park jogger by bunch of black thugs literally called her a wh ore and said her boyfriend did it … presumably because he simply didn’t like the fact that she HONESTLY said blacks did it … the same Sharptongue incited the murder by burning of several innocent folks in Freddies Clothing STore … the same Sharptongue offered unwavering support for that black racist NYC slag who despicably accused a wholly innocent white man of rape and has lost court case after case in this matter.

Now if we’re supposed to “forgive” Sharptongue his anti-white bigotry. incitement to commit murder etc, surely he can forgive Imus his moronic insulting remark which very very few people heard live on that pathetic leftist channel!!

dishonest pathetic tw ats like you rod are the reason I so enjoy posting here!!

I also note snivelling moron rod you made NO attempt to address any of the legitimate points I made!! Just yet another empty, abusive, aggressive reponse!!

Scum like you are just here to be laughed at, sneered at and verbally humiliated!!

Tell me what exactly is “racist” in what I posted???!!! Its easy to mindlessly assert this despicable empty charge … but as ever you simply have NOTHING to back it up with!!

You don’t even understand the meaning of the word. I simply stated facts and offered some very fair comment. The stats and the concomitant massive social impact of the 70% black illegitimate rate is UNDENIABLE!!

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

TFTT - Facts say more white children are born out of wedlock and with the rise of Meth I suspect that will be going up sharply.. Meth is doing to the white community what crack did to the black community, but I am willing to bet a dollar to a wooden nickel the Meth problem will get more attention because Jenny and Sue are robbing banks now.

By H. T.

April 11, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

AMEN! Allowing the public to bear the costs of ANYONE’S lack of morality, or lack of birth control, is an outrage. The obvious path is, “let me have unprotected sex, let me have a baby, and then - let the PUBLIC pay for it!” Seems to me that the “me’s” having sex are the ones who need to pay for the outcome - but 75 cents into a bathroom vending machine would most likely have solved it!

By Rod

April 11, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

tftt - we all see that you really are the coward we all know.

Go cry somemore you pathetic, cowardly racist.

You have the opportunity to speak your mind to Sharpton, but you’re to busy peeing in your pants.

By Judi

April 11, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

There is too much “public assistance” these days. Where does it say that the world is entitled? You make a choice to have children. So, pay for them. The government is not responsible. I would have loved to have more than 2 children, but knew I couldn’t afford them! The math is very simple. Why should I now have to help pay for yours? Assistance should be abolished. Return that sort of help to the respective families and charitable organizations. You don’t see governments in other countries willing to “keep up” the general population. This is my country. I worked 45 years to maintain myself and my family. I wish others would do the same.

By Renee

April 11, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

well, it looks like tftt had it handed to him!! hahahahaha Coward!

HUGE smirk

By jbmlaw

April 11, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Dear rarringt @ 10:15, I take exception to your assertions. We conservatives are still more progressive than the leftists – we do less to damage the economy and more to support the eternal values. Assuming your definition of “progressive” is something akin to the dying cultures of Europe, I don’t think you can sustain your argument.

Dear rod @ 10:23, you may be discomfited by my support, but I agree with your argument, omitting the ad hominem of course. Unrelated, is Rev. Al going to sing and dance? May be worth seeing. I heard him sing a song about Obama on Rush last week.

Dear pf @ 10:24, you are evil, I wish I had the imagination to write such. My compliments.

Dear Shiela @ 10:56, we breathlessly await your solution to the “horrible” (your word, not mine) problem.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

The rape in Central Park WAS NOT committed by the youth that were put in prison; the Rev Jesse Lee Patterson is a walking joke that has no credibility in any community; what happened to his lawsuit against Jesse Jackson for abuse? The Imus incident being discussed speaks only to the works Imus spoke. What about the word “jigaboos” used in that same discussion before Imus uttered his famous words. Using “invalid facts” to prove a point is invalid itself because a half-truth is a lie. The contention is made that black men are deadbeats. By what measure do you base your conclusion? Statistical, observational or innuendo? Lies and lying liars try to get everyone to believe what they say by “talking loud and saying nothing… “

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

VanDamnU - But by Wooten’s comment you were a bastard child taking from the government because you didnt have a father in your home. I served in the Military and went to Desert Storm, and on the contrary its the hard working middle class that fights most wars.. Conservatives like your President skip out and dont participate in war (they have enough cajones to send other people though, I say send the drunken twins). Who did you say the cowards were in this conversation?

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Andy said,

Tell me what exactly is “racist” in what I posted???!!! Its easy to mindlessly assert this despicable empty charge … but as ever you simply have NOTHING to back it up with!!

Mea culpa.

I apologize to all for insinuating that posts like TFTT@10:36 are racist rants that are so vitriolic as to utterly undermine the 1 or 2 cogent points made.

For Andy to make that utterly disingenuous statement after such a rant means:

1) he’s truly a master satirist, and we all bask in the shadow of his greatness as moss clings to the base of the Giant Redwood; or

2) he’s what we call “not quite right in the head.”

Either way, as one of the resident African-Americans (yes, I know Andy, you have no idea what that means) on this board, I’ve gotta say while I was initally offended when I first came to the blog, I’m becoming most entertained with his posts, now that I no longer take them seriously. He’s kind of like Redneck Convert’s alter ego.

Hmmm… That would make him the alter ego of an alter ego. Interesting.

By Richard

April 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

BAM!

(in the voice of Howard Cosell): Down goes tftt! Down goes tftt!

By jm

April 11, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Dusty@10:50 - Considering the how many people actually finish high school in Georgia, maybe Junior High or Elementary would be more appropriate for the civics lesson.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Hey Rod. I don’t give a flying rat’s behind what you think I am. I am not a racist as you say. Color doesn’t determine a person’s intelligence or status as obvious by your posts. What a person’s actions and ethics are determine that.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

PUT UP OR SHUT UP snivelling moron rod!!

you stated my post was “racist” … exactly where was this in my initial post?

you cannot answer ANY of my points!!

sharptongue is a despicable black thug!!

and you are a dishonest bedwetting yellowbellied leftist dogturd!!

bootlicker…

the point isn’t just about the actual numbers - its the ongoing massive social impact … there is NOTHING LIKE the same kind of violent white on white crime in poor white hoods that there was/is in black hoods with black on black crime … whites (mostly just young white lads) only buy the execrable thuggish hippety hop sh!te … its a black thang and now tellingly becoming a hispanic type thang to endless glorify criminality, sexism and all the other gangsta bollocks which a huge number of uneducated black yoofs have as their modern identity and social template … along with anti-intellectualism called acting white … calling females ho’s … and all the rest of it. meth is a nasty drug … but the thuggish social fall out is nowhere near as bad (locally) as with crack … not yet anyway!!

remember blacks constantly mugged folks for their crack habit … bank robbing for a meth habit has much less of an (immediate) social impact - even though its a more ‘serious’ crime. and its still extremely rare …

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Jack said,

Hey Rod. I don’t give a flying rat’s behind what you think I am. I am not a racist as you say.

Maybe Jack’s an alter ego for Imus.

By oldgold

April 11, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Mid-South,

Would the Roswell gambling bust have been worth it if it occurred on the South side of the metro?

Please,spare me.

Throw the book at these THUGS.

By sick

April 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

I am sooooo sick of reading these same numbers regarding black mothers. NO, I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE THAT 70% OF BLACK MOTHERS ARE HAVING CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK SINCE EVERYONE I KNOW IS MARRIED, AND WAS AT THE TIME OF THEIR PREGNANCY. When will you stop promoting this ridiculous “data”?!

And to sugges that alleged fathers should submit DNA is ludicrous! What a wasted topic!

By moonbat spaceport

April 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

I think Jim was being a little sarcastic with his comment of since the state is willing to spend X anyway.. If not, shame on you Jim. Anyway I’d just love to know how much taxpayer money our government has to spend on the IRS collecting taxes in this nation. Nope, nothing to see here from an article about inefficiencies way back in 1999. Whistle past that graveyard. Every time new tax overhaul proposals come up, the majority of dems and many republicans shoot them down. The flat tax and the fair tax come to mind. Always remember that the left does not think our current tax code is progressive enough when the top 50% pays 97.3%, the top 10% pays 70%, the top 5% pays 58%, and the top 1% pays 37% of all individual federal income taxes.

Meanwhile back at the spaceport of liberalism, gas prices are up over $.50 in 8 weeks. Where’s that promise by the dems that they would curtail fuel prices if they get too high? Just think, we haven’t even begun the summer driving season yet. Not a sound from Speaker Pelosi or Sen. Reid about the issue, unlike say all last year prior to the November elections. Easier said behind a pulpit or in front of a camera than done, huh dems? Then there’s the matter of the Iraqi oil contracts going to everyone except US companies. For four years we’ve been hearing the get that oil Bush! screech from the moonbats. The silence from the media and dems now is is deafening. Whistle past that graveyard as well. The Bootstrap Kid is a lying pos liberal who never even served in a sandbox.

By sick

April 11, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

I am sooooo sick of reading these same numbers regarding black mothers. NO, I DON’T BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE THAT 70% OF BLACK MOTHERS ARE HAVING CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK SINCE EVERYONE I KNOW IS MARRIED, AND WAS AT THE TIME OF THEIR PREGNANCY. When will you stop promoting this ridiculous “data”?!

And to sugges that alleged fathers should submit DNA is ludicrous! What a wasted topic!

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

THIS IS FREAKING HILARIOUS!!

the leftist scum on here can’t actually answer ANY of my points so they just post cowardly effete hectoring drivel … like good pinko parrots!!

and the sad paranoid patronising tw at rabidington moronically and emptily asserts I’m some one called “Andy”

By Realist

April 11, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

hmmm…rarringt….Redneck Convert…Captain Freedom…the whole “mea culpa” thing has me wondering if you are all the same. However, I enjoy all three alter egos’ posts. Very enlightening, to extremely fun to read.

By Jackie

April 11, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

If one looks at the statistics, you will find that 55% of the crack abusers, 70% of the cocaine abusers and 90% of the meth abusers and 65% of the purchases of rap music is that of young white kids. Wonder where TFTF gets his information to perpetuate his misstatements?

By melo

April 11, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

so, if a woman births a baby and accuses Donald Trump or Jim Wooten or some other famous rich white dude of being her Baby Daddy Harold

Harold, Jim Wooten is not rich, he is just a journalist.

But i agree with him, we all need to be responsible with our penis(ses)!!

By rarringt

April 11, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Realist,

Nah, I’m an original (but then again, you would expect me to say that). :^)

By Realist

April 11, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Either way rarringt…talent is talent. Captain Freedom is the ish.

By oldgold

April 11, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Sick,

Let it go. They’ve used false information to justify themselves for hundreds of years.

Any educated person could spin a statistic one million ways.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Time for The Thumpin - I dont care about you being a racist, it lets me know exactly who you are and what you stand for.. I actually applaud your honesty.. Now which makes you more angry the fact that your youngin listens and immulates this hippity hop or the fact that your daughter wants a to be a Ho?

Ok I dont have to talk white to be an intellectual, pal or wear my dockers tight on my a$$. The term comes about for people like Clarence Thomas and Uncle Tom, thats where the misinformation comes in.. Understand something before you speak on it. You cowards are so afraid that someone is trying to infringe on your way of life it frightens you, thats why you come on a blog and B!tch and moan about it. Yeah yeah the violence that exists in the black communtity is a bit much and tragic, but the resources of calling the Police and they are there in 5 secs as opposed to 2 hours makes a difference. Brilliant example, the OAKHURST Community used to be Kirkwood and the police wouldnt go there until the caucasion persuation moved in and then they were there all the time. The problem needs to be addressed on so many different levels than you and yours sitting in an ivory tower prescibing quick fixes. Oh and NOT YET is right on Meth.. Stay Tuned..

By MA

April 11, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Jim did not take it far enough. When a baby is born, we should take fingerprints and DNA samples immediately. Then when they have grown into 14-year-old babymakers, we just run the DNA of the baby against the DNA bank and find the father. This will also help ID rapists. Even babies born to married couples should have DNA testing. Statistics show that about one out of every four children born in a marriage is NOT the biological child of the husband. With one out of every two marriages ending in divorce, a lot of men are paying support for children who are not theirs. So, DNA data banks could help men!

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

tftt - stop avoiding. Why are you to much of a coward to confront Sharpton? Huh? Huh?

You’re still a coward. And, seriously, don’t continue to deny that you’re a racist. I’ve been reading your racist rantings on here for months.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

jackie

but the point is that its disproportionately black yoofs, from absent deadbeat fathers and inadequate or overwhelmed mothers who are indulging in the violent crime in “urban areas” and did for years in downtown ATL, Detroit, DC, Oakland etc … and now hispanic types are catching them up - illegals and non-illegals.

blacks constitute about 14% of the total pop - watch WSB TV for a few nights and see who’s commiting the crimes that make it to the TV screen. Go visit somewhere like Marietta HIgh School or schools in S Fulton Co and see how backward and poorly educated etc the kiddies are … and how the endless cycle of unwanted, unprovided pregnancies continues disproportionately in black and now increasingly in hispanic circles.

hippety hop is majority bought by whites … but its become the social template for countless black yoofs … and the black “ho’s and b itches” they, NOT THE WHITE lads sing about!! The thuggishness of hippety hop “stars” is unbelievable and unprecendented … and this thuggish cultural ‘transference’ moves effortlessly, as we often see in the NBA and the NFL!!

Its all about depraved indifference, often criminal, serious drug abusing hedonism … and whites are NOT innocent of this at all … but the issue I am discussing is the deadbeat fathers and the sluttish, could care less mothers who perpetuate the black on black crime wave!! which often eventually affects these feckless mothers when they get older … its a vicous cycle (a great fairly recent Skynyrd album BTW).

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

rarringt - you mentioned above that you’re: “one of the resident African-Americans”. Okay, I’ve got a serious question for you.

Why do you call yourself an African-American? Did you come from Africa? Why don’t you call yourself black. I’m white, but I don’t call myself European-American.

I’m serious here - I’d like to know. Black people call us white, but some get offended if we call them black. What’s the deal? Unless you actually came from Africa, why do you say you’re African-American?

Don’t say it’s because you’re “proud of your heritage”, because that would apply to me too - Europe is in alot better shape than Africa is.

Please help me out.

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Bush is the cause of High gas prices.. The spin continues.. Gas prices didnt go up until he and his cronies came into office.. IDIOTS.. Just like a conservo to blame a Democrat for their failings and short comings.. Pretty soon Iraq is going to be the fault of the Democrats.. Some way or somehow they will pin it on them.. You nutty professors kill me..

By Richard

April 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

okay MA - you’re just making up numbers (lying). You said: “Statistics show that about one out of every four children born in a marriage is NOT the biological child of the husband.” I know that’s a flat out lie.

Cite your research. Where did you find that statistic - or are you ready to admit you pulled it out of your slimy @ss.

By abc

April 11, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

i am part of the generation that everything is instant. we grew up on instant coco and microwaves. our parents are living longer and we are acting like children for longer periods of our life. as a woman, i went to college not to find a husband but to party and get a degree.

i think all of these instant things have inabled us to plan for the long run. marriage is a life long plan just as investmenting. we have short on all these things. we also fall short as parents. our shock values are down and so we are with sex where our parents were with fondeling. so, here we are with all these unplanned kids being raaised by “adults” that act as children. as to testing to find the secondary party….i think it should be mandatory when the birth certificates are being written. i also believe that man or woman that is stuck in the situtation of not knowing who the father is should systematically be implanted with an iud. maybe they can raise that child and grow up a bit. iud are not permant but it would slow this problem down. as to the men….it is time for science to make an iud for you too if you are in this group.

so, yea, i believe that we have to put an end to who’s the baby’s daddy once and for all with mandated dna test with birth certificate and male and female iuds for those who can not control their hormones.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Yeah. That’s right Raringt. I’m Imus’ alter ego. I also do a good Abe Lincoln.

Rod. Did I say you were black?

By Renee

April 11, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

time for the truth - you are soooooo racist. Even the word you’re enjoying using today - yoofs - is racist.

You’re using yoofs instead of youths because you’re insulting and making fun of black people with the way many of them talk. You’re implying that they’re dumb and uneducated - because they’re black. RACIST.

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

ha ha ha … THE LEFTIST PUKES RUN AWAY!!!

They just endlessly screech racist - as I predickted they would. They simply can’t bring themselves to even gently criticise blacks … they are scared sh!tless of the unvarnished awkward truth … lets hope they get violently mugged and see if they change their tune.

go into a S Atlanta mall and listen to the way FUBU wearing yoofs talk and handle English/ebonics … its very sad and quite chilling that billions of dollars have effectively been wasted

snivelling moron rod still cant puke up any examples of my “racism” … LMFAO!!! MORON ROD CANT DEBATE - it just screeches!!

and the cowardly thuggish felon snoopy dog lovin’ bootlickickingscumbag just makes threats … too funny - too funny

By harold

April 11, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

wooten better be rich or they aint paying him enough to have a column essentially about the demise of the republicans party whilst purporting to be a republicans himself

he white, he locally famous, he rich

he aint filthy rich like Trumpet, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the editorials editor is making 6 figures

now what if that crazy cynthia editorials woman claimed wooten was her baby daddy? under wootens porpoisal he would have to jerk it into a cup for DNA analysis just because crazy Cynthia said to.

just how much power to we want to grant a crazy w******* to exact revenge on all the fellas from the bar who disappeared after a night at her place. it wuz him! no it wuz him! no no it wuz him! wait no it wuz him! no no wait no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! no it wuz him! vvvvvvvvvvvvv

By joyce

April 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

See where Rep. Roberta Abdul-Salaam shouted racial slurs all over the Capitol because the committee declined her request to hang Mrs. King’s picture in the building. Even threatened a nation-wide boycott by blacks if she didn’t get her way. Doouble standards apply according to her ranting. I’m glad the majority of Americans - black and white - have common sense.

By JohnD

April 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

The moral failures in this debate cross all racial and economic lines. The statistics cited are irrelevant with regard to the problem. We are all Americans, at least those here legally, and the state should not be supporting those who birth children without the means, or in many cases the desire, to feed, clothe, educate and care for their offspring.

I agree with the comment regarding the tax structure as a contributing factor to the problems inherit with out-of-wedlock births but not because the adults are unmarried due to higher tax rates. Those parents, married or not, are capable of caring for their children.

The tax structure is designed to foster social redistribution of wealth, a plank of the liberal political platform, and to give more power to the government, a plank of the platform of both the Republican and Democrat parties. Liberals see government as a good thing, a point made by Henry Waxman over the weekend, and Conservatives see government as a drain on the productive abilities of individuals.

As long as government provides a relatively accessible safety net for the irresponsible among us, they will continue to have unrestrained sex and be unconcerned of the consequences.

The Imus comment was incredibly offensive, insensitive and aimed at a group of young women who are likely as far from his description as any in the US. The market place will ultimately determine his fate through the listeners and advertisers.

Al Sharpton lacks the moral authority to make any demands based purely upon his prior conduct and statements of a racist nature also intended to incite uncivil behavior. Jessie Jackson also abdicated his position as a moral authority.

For those who had not heard the terms used by Imus I offer to you that Stevie Wonder referred to himself as a “nappy headed boy” in one of his songs. The term “Ho or Hoe” is heard in much of the hip-hop and rap music. Imus did not “coin” the phrase but he will be forever rightfully connected to the words.

I applaud the young women of Rutgers for their willingness to discuss this in person with Imus and their coach Vivian Stringer for her reasoned comments.

Kudos for all those who recognize freedom of speech gives Imus the right to say whatever he pleases but also recognize those who speak must be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

By Jack

April 11, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Is that Ms. Maple Syrup from VT ? Nice to hear from you. Stirring things up on this one today. Hope everything is cool up there.:)

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Jack - at 10:52 you stated: “Hey Rod. That would be like you going to a KKK rally. Would you go there and express your opinions?” Implying that I was black.

You’re not to smart, are you?

By Rod

April 11, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

tftt - still waiting. Why are you not man enough to go see Sharpton? Huh? Still no answer from you. Won’t your pimp-daddy let you out for the evening?

By time for the truth

April 11, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

@ the lying stupid lefty hag (was that sexist enough?)renee

if you’ve read my posts for a while on here loveykins you’ll see that I use the term yoof to dig at yoofs of all colours/ethnicity …

yoof/yoofs is a term freely used by conservatives in the UK media … its a witty perjorative term that sardonically mocks the addicktion to p!ss poor spelling that the yoofful wankers who spend endless hours texting each other on their mobile phones about nothing have. it is NON-racial … but cheers for the deranged leftist hissy fit … almost as good as bootlicker and moron rod!!

fact is many blacks yoofs and young ho’s (as they are disgustingly called by their fellow blacks) are unable to talk and write properly, just go and listen to a few groups of teens in any mall … sadly countless young whites and supposedly bi-lingual hispanics are now following this sickening trend of moronic communication that trendy lefty teachers do little to correct…

By Greg

April 11, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Lemme help, an OTP view of the TV Reality world as best I can remember; 1. We all knew it was Birkhead, real emotion is easy to spot, fakes like Stern are too. 2. Sanjaya can sing, not well enough to still be on idol though. 3. JFK was shot by Oswald, he was hired.This was the first “reality show” ever viewed btw. 4. JR Ewing was actually shot by himself,in a despirate suicide attempt, “Dallas” lied. 5. What a celeb wears on th erunway has no bearing on what brand jeans I wear, nor whats written on my t-shirt. 6. Forgiveness is given freely to everyone in the publics eye unless you confess you are a Christian, then you are expected to BE PERFECT all the time! 7. Hollywood in politics, is equal to politicians in Hollywood. neither is qualified to act in accordance with the other. You are lucky you have the one gig. 8. “Dr. House” is a junkie period. 9. “Ugly Betty”…. Being a fan of that is like intentionally slamming your privates in a sliding glass door. WHY?! Try NBC at the same time. 10. Tom Cruise, you are a controlling, weird-o that has ruined more beautiful women than Little Debbies. Thanks for nothing Napolean Jr!

By The Bootstrap Kid

April 11, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

I have heard white dudes call women B!tches.. I even heard white women call each other b!tches.. Because unlike you Father Time I am very diverse in the people I interact with. Oh and remember everything Blacks do ya’ll catch on about 3