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DEL.ICIO.USUp the river, taxing power, an itchy claim
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s Friday free-for-all. Pick a topic:
• Credit Georgia for providing a commuting alternative for motorists stuck in gridlock. The state has acquired land for the start of a 43-mile Chattahoochee River canoe trail from near Helen to Lake Lanier. Applying the Lovejoy commuter rail formula, tens of thousands of cars will be removed from rush-hour traffic.
• The Georgia General Assembly and not individual cities, counties or authorities should determine when and how much to raise taxes on consumers who don’t primarily reside in the jurisdiction being taxed. Clayton County commissioners may raise the sales tax on items sold at a portion of Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport to 8 percent. Talking about taxation without representation …
• Headlines of Dubious Claims, this from Georgia’s Cities, the newspaper of the Georgia Municipal Association: “Valdosta Nips Mosquitoes in the Bud.” I’d just as soon believe “Cairo Conquers Kudzu.”
• Does the General Assembly have the authority to require that voters be who they say they are? Yes. Case closed. “Does this move us toward making the right to vote easier or does it move to frustrating the right to vote?” asked Justice Robert Benham. Well, it frustrates those who aren’t legitimate voters and, by removing them from the rolls, makes it easier to vote for those who are.
• Just as I’m rushing to the defense of a Roswell homeowner being ticketed for having more than four cars on this property that can be seen from the street, I find one of them is a stretch limo from a business he once owned. City officials, meanwhile, seem to have bent over backward to give him an out. Nope. He wants the ordinance changed to accommodate his situation. Ah, America. Fit the law to me.
• “The language of war is victims.” Children. Women. The elderly. Civilians. Innocents. Such is the terrorist mind, as expressed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. You don’t convert terrorists. You capture or kill them.
• A booklet by DeKalb Commissioner Larry Johnson that translates for parents is needed, said his teenage daughter, “so if something bad happens and we need to talk about it, they’ll know what we’re saying.” Or if a parent asks, as they’re wont to do, “How’s school going?”
• “If there’s one thing that can bankrupt America, it’s health care,” says Comptroller General David Walker. In six months, a dozen private sector groups, including Wal-Mart execs, and various medical groups have advocated some version of universal health coverage. It’s a trap — or rather a trip into bankruptcy.
• Some critics complain that this legislative session is churning out too little legislation. My formula for a successful session: Pass the budget, repeal the anti-competitive “Certificate of Need” that minimizes competition in the health care industry, pass education reform and a constitutional amendment to control spending. Praise somebody obscure by putting their name on a small bridge or building, honor the Watermelon Queen and go home.
• A massive high-density development has been proposed on 45 acres near Town Center mall. Has anybody driven I-75 at rush hour? This is insane. Projects approved should not exceed the carrying capacity of existing roads.
• There is something wholly ironic about the Atlanta School Board having the authority to shut down the School for Integrated Academics and Technologies, a charter school in southwest Atlanta, for failing to achieve adequate yearly progress. When has the board shuttered one of its own for failing to educate?
• Some of the best young conservatives, who’ll be stars of the future, represent areas about 40 or 50 miles out from the Capitol. Among them is state Rep. Jeff May (R-Monroe) who has authored legislation that will put a halt to what’s happening next Tuesday where voters in 31 counties, including Fulton and DeKalb, are being asked to approve a sales tax for schools or local governments. His bill doesn’t outlaw those, of course, but it does require that they be held during primaries or general elections, when a fair cross-section of the electorate is likely to go to the polls. Government shouldn’t intentionally try to hold down turnout.
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By Truthsayer
March 16, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
Everything in today’s column was absolutely on target. Congrats! And as a one time very long-term resident of Valdosta, I have to agree. Putting the end to the moquito problem in Valdosta, or any other part of South Georgia is like trying to stop Niagara with your foot!
By Jeff
March 16, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
OK, much more to talk about on this Free Friday:
River trail: Could be nice. Like the satire.
Hartsfield (I will NEVER refer to it by its black-pandering name): AMEN.
Terrorists: Capture doesn’t work. The only option is to kill as many of them as possible, as brutally as possible, and as fast as possible. THAT is the language they understand. (Hey, can we go back to the Vlad the Impaler days of anal impalement? Not exactly fast, but certainly fits the brutality requirement!)
Health care: Amen. There is NOTHING in ANY of the founding documents that says everyone should have their healthcare payed by the government.
Town Center: Stop it. Stop it now.
Voting: Agreed. Turnout is low enough on primary and general election days without elections on other days.
By HM
March 16, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
Jim:
I couldn’t agree more with you statement that approved projects should not exceed the capacity of existing roads. Let’s extend the idea to all existing infrastructure. Our Forsyth county commissioners need to heed these thoughts.
By jbmlaw
March 16, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I fully agree with my co-bloggers Truthsayer and Jeff, I fully agree with Jim’s essays today, and the Wooten humor shines today. The health care essay will likely dominate the blog today: our brothers on the left advocating immediate consumption of the next generation’s seed corn vs. the intelligent perspective of Jim’s essay.
The vote-fraud issue seizes my attention. Our election offices are surely not so busy in the 120 days after an election – why is there not a mandatory statewide county-by-county audit of the voter rolls during the lull? Yes it would cost some money, but that money is more closely related to our fundamental civil rights than all our solons spend on tourism or business recruitment.
By Mid-South Philosopher
March 16, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
My prescription must have worked.
A lot of good material here today.
Just a couple of observations:
Likely within a decade we will have socialized medicine (God help us) and there will be NO ONE to blame but the corporate health care providers and drug companies. No one will ever be able to convince me that $12.95 is a rational cost of an aspirin in a hospital.
As for that august body of wisdom, the Georgia General Assembly, indeed your suggestions for the things that should be subject to its consideration are adequate. I would go one step further and state that during the 40 calendar day (weekends excepted) session, the legislature be allowed to recess a maximum of 10 calendar days (weekends excepted). We need to get that bunch home by March 1st, if at all possible.
Not addressed in today’s Thinking Right, but quite the story at the national level is the continuing saga of Attorney General Gonzales. I think we can stick a fork in him…he’s about done.
It only goest to prove that Republicans should NEVER lie. They are just NOT as good at it as are the Democrats! They always get caught and it looks bad on them. Everyone knows the Democrats lie. The Republicans are suppose to be higher up on the morality scale.
Of late I am questioning the I.Q. scale, though. Too many of them seem to have “no recollection” Damn, they are starting to sound like Hillary Clinton!
Have a great weekend.
By Jim Wooten
March 16, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
Morning all. Some of you may have experienced posting problems in recent days. New anti-spam software filters out posts with three or more links. That doesn’t explain the problems Philosopher had, but it does account for some of the others.
By Jeff
March 16, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten:
Something is happening such that I have to type VERY slow. Is it also due to enhancements over there??
By Jack
March 16, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this
An airplane was about to crash. There were 5 passengers on board,
but only 4 parachutes -
The 1st passenger said, “I am Kobe Bryant, the best NBA basketball player. The Lakers need me, and I can’t afford to die.” So he took the 1st pack and left the plane.
The 2nd passenger, Hillary Clinton said, “I am the wife of a former U.S. President, a NY State Senator and a potential future president. And, I am the smartest woman in American history, so America ‘s people don’t want me to die.” She took the 2nd pack and jumped out of the plane.
The 3rd passenger, Ted Kennedy said I am a US Senator, the democratic party needs me and my liver still has some good years left. So he grabbed the pack next to him and jumped.
The 4th passenger, Billy Graham, said to the 5th passenger, a 10 year old schoolgirl, “I am old and frail and don’t have many years left, and as a Christian I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute.”
The girl said, “That’s okay. There’s a parachute left for you. America ‘s smartest woman took my schoolbag.
By jbmlaw
March 16, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Dear Philosopher @ 8:52, you speak many truths. Had Gonzalez’s guy merely announced that they were replacing people just “because it was time for a change,” getting rid of six democrat prosecutors would have been a non-event; instead the guy asserted it was “performance” related. A principal rule of intelligent management: when you have to get rid of someone, do not disparage them unnecessarily. On the health care, I fear you are correct. I visited the emergency room a couple of weeks ago for what proved to be a non-event. Cost, so far: $6,000 and rising. I knew there was an intelligent reason I had not visited a doctor since 2001; old age makes me forget too soon.
By Redneck Convert
March 16, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
If they would just let them kids and old people die off we wouldn’t need no health care. Instead of doctoring them and keeping them around. I say if you got the money you should be allowed to live. If you don’t you should die quick and save us all the taxes we would have to pay to doctor you. That’s the conservative outlook and I’m all for it.
Well, I got a beer run to make. Them Baptists sure put it down during weekends. They don’t want it sold on Sunday but that don’t mean you can’t drink it then. Tell that crazy Harold to buy his booze by tomorrow nite. I don’t want him making lite of my Sabbath.
This sales tax bizness is a big con job. Trying to sneak a tax bump on us when we have to work. Thinking nobody will notice the election. I never made it past the 5th grade and it never hurt me none. Them multiplying tables was too tough. Anyway, let them pay to educate their own dummies. Don’t tax me for it. Right now the price of Skoal and Red Man is already out of sight. We don’t need no more taxes on it so Those People can send their kids to school. This is GA, not some northern state that beleives in getting kids all schooled up. All education does is turn good kids into a bunch of libruls.
Well, NASCAR is in town and the food stamps is being sold all over the place to pay for tickets. Its the kind of thing we ought to send our kids to. Instead of waisting time in a class room. Bunch of libruls. Trying to change GA. They come down here and try to change our good Southren way of life.
By Truthsayer
March 16, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
The problem with the prosecutors being fired is that it was handled poorly from the very beginning. Also, the president never should have kept on any Democrat prosecutors to begin with after his first year in office because any time one or more of them had to be fired, then this “it’s politics” thing would immediately come up. End of story. Republicans just aren’t as good at slash, burn and blame politics as the Democrats.
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
Dear Jim Wooten,
So many good subjects, so little time. But I am paying attention. To do my part with the traffic gridlock, I am now actively pursuing the purchase of a canoe for the Helen to Lake Lanier trail.
Since you are very influential in the Georgia legislature, please suggest a nice canoe-canal from Lake Lanier to downtown Atlanta. That would be most helpful and the purchase of my commodious canoe depends upon it. Thank you.
By CJ
March 16, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
It’s true that rising health care costs will take us into bankruptcy, but one of the primary underlying causes is disproportionate health care inflation. Health care insurers are gouging us, medical suppliers are gouging hospitals and hospitals are gouging the uninsured. In addition, administrative costs in the private market are out of control.
Also, with or without a universal health care system, taxpayers get stuck. We pay the bills for the indigent, many of whom weren’t poor until they had a medical catastrophe.
To reduce the cost of health insurance premiums and health care expenses, we need to share the burden by collecting insurance premiums from everybody (not just those who choose to buy it) and provide preventive coverage for everybody (ounce of prevention = pound of cure), not just those who can afford it. As a taxpayer, I’d rather cover a person’s $80 visit to a doctor’s office than a $6,000 visit to an emergency room.
Mitt Romney, Arnold Schwarzenegger and John Edwards (D- SC) are on the right track with their health care proposals. They deserve serious consideration.
By steve-o
March 16, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
Morning all. Some of you may have experienced posting problems in recent days. New anti-spam software filters out posts with three or more links. That doesn’t explain the problems Philosopher had, but it does account for some of the others.
Uh oh, Wooten—Markus sure aint gonna like that!
By KR
March 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
After 20+ years in healthcare, I’d be willing to abolish CON and leave the system to the forces of the free market, on one condition.
The government has to allow me to post and enforce the following sign:
* *WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE. **
As long as hospitals are mandated by the government to provide service regardless of ability to pay, it will never be a true free market. Abolishing CON under the current regulations will only make things worse, not better.
By Dennis
March 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten said, “The language of war is victims.” Children. Women. The elderly. Civilians. Innocents. Such is the terrorist mind, as expressed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. You don’t convert terrorists. You capture or kill them.”
In 1995 the U. N. Food and Agriculture Organization reported that the military devastation of Iraq and the Security Council embargo had been responsible for the deaths of more than 560,000 children. The World Health Organization confirmed this figure and so, inadvertently, did the U.S. Secretary of State, Madleine Albright, when she was asked on the C.B.S. program 60 Minutes if the death of more than half a million children was a price worth paying. “[W]e think the price is worth it,” she replied….” Sept 5, 1996.
“Innocents. Such is the terrorist mind,” as expressed by [Madeline Albright].
“You don’t convert terrorists. You capture or kill them.”
I suppose who a terrorists is all depends on your point of view, doesn’t it, Mr. Wooten? And you wonder why the U.S. is so hated?
It’s always the other guy, isn’t it? Never “ME”?
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By KR
March 16, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
After 20+ years in healthcare, I’d be willing to abolish CON and leave the system to the forces of the free market, on one condition.
The government has to allow me to post and enforce the following sign:
* *WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE. **
As long as hospitals are mandated by the government to provide service regardless of ability to pay, it will never be a true free market. Abolishing CON under the current regulations will only make things worse, not better.
By JK
March 16, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
Yes Mr. Wooten, the unbridled raping of our once-beautiful, tree-filled landscapes by greedy developers shoving cloned, corporatized retail outlets and bad chain restaurants on every square foot of dirt is only a problem when it adds to the acid reflux in YOUR little corner of suburbia. When the virtuous god of capitalism so generously ensures the rest of us need drive no further than two miles in any direction to find a Blockbuster, CVS, Kohl’s, Brewsters, or KFC/TacoBell combo dining establishment, we call it “Progress!” Amen.
By Jack
March 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
‘You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.’
Wearing this out ain’t you?
By time for the truth
March 16, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
WTF is Hartsfield-Jackson? I’ve flown out of Hartsfield airport a few times and have always been both deeply nauseated and very highly amused by the blatant racial pandering of the moronic, utterly unsophisticated ‘black bollocks’ masquerading as some kind of retarded third world art triumphantly rammed down people’s throats by the snouts in the trough, despicable afrocentrists who now run Hartsfield. And why oh why why is what is laughably called AfriKan art always so mindlessly primitive/repetitive/unimaginative? Just like the execrable drug and thuggish gangsta glorifying sh!te so many black criminal thugs perpetrate and vaingloriously wallow in called hippety hop!!
Who the hell/whjat the hell is the “watermelon queen” … is this an annual racist award for the likes of Calypso L Farracrap, H Belafonte, C McKinney, M Waters, S Jackson-Pee, A Sharptongue, O Winfrey or just a posthumous ‘racial gong’ for the uber snotty, very mercenary C Scott-King?
Any word yet on life in the big house for the disgraced corrupt anti-white bigot felon Billy ‘casino’ Campbell? Maybe the far leftist cultural icon Mister J Springer would be kind enough to interview him and all his mistresses!! Suggestions for a show title to Race Baiters and Gamblers Anonymous, The Federal Big House, FL.
So the big Kahuna towel head terrorist was gonna try and kill the perjuring sex predator and pardon seller Sick Willie Klinton and the worthless, narcissistic, hate America far leftist Dimbo Karter. I’m still waiting for a fabulous classic Ann Coulter rib tickler on this relatively unimportant “old” news!!
Black yoof gang killings and street beatings LA style are all too predicktably being regularly “exported” across the pond. This cowardly, very violent black on black fatal lynching just happened in a quiet part of west London I lived in about twenty years ago. NO WHERE IS SAFE FROM THESE gangbanging THUGS NOW!!
This harrowing story is in all the UK papers today. And like over here, very little is done about it by the authorities … insane racial political correctness has all but stopped sensible, follow the facts policing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?inarticleid=442637&inpageid=1770
And equally despicable political correctness is now infesting simple pleasures of childhood.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/16/nislam116.xml
The UK is now as bad as San Fran Sicko or Assachussetts …
For all of us in the west its slowly but inexorably beginning to smack of the final days of Imperial Rome when Nero was indolently simpering and playing his fiddle. The leftists are wilfully and gleefully destroying the fabric of society with their deranged mendacious eco-whacko fascism, their thought police fascism, their blatant guilt soaked racial pandering, cut and run appeasement of genocidal mohammedan fascists and the depraved, sordid promotion of and joyous embracing of homosexuals and even worse the despicable restorative justice accomodation of sick child molesting perverts in places like VT and MA.
Liberalism is the sickest, most evil mental disease the west has ever known!!
By harold
March 16, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Senor Gonzales: No Hablo Ingles!
By Mid-South Philosopher
March 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
Dear Jbmlaw,
I am sorry that you were ailing, but I am glad you are percolating better now.
As I suspect that you and I may be of about the same vintage and despite the wallet vein drain, six years is too long to go without seeing a physician. At the very least, we need the PSA and “thick finger” tests once each year.
Isn’t it a shame that there is no dignity…especially in old age!
Have a great weekend.
By Morris
March 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Universal health care is a liberal banner just like global warming. Liberals don’t solve problems; they manage them at our expense. You’ve been warned.
By harold
March 16, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
“The only option is to kill as many of them as possible, as brutally as possible, and as fast as possible.”
YOU MEAN LIKE SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS DOING VERY SUCCESSFULLY BEFORE DUBYA ILLEGALLY INVADED AND MURDERED HIM?
By jm
March 16, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
I can see WalMart being in favor on universal health care, it would give them an excuse to pay their employees even less (more money for Sam’s offspring). I wonder who is the biggest beneficiary of programs like PeachCare, parents who are able to get health coverage for their kids or employers like WalMart who don’t provide health benefits because the government will pick up the tab.
As for terrorists, you can also do what W the incompetent is doing, make more by invading and occupying a muslim country (Iraq) that had not attacked or posed a threat to the US, while allowing the head of the terrorist oraganization that attacked us (remember Bin Laden, the guy W doesn’t even think about any more?) to get away and (supposedly) hide within the borders of a country that is “our friend”.
By Jeff
March 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
harold:
A) There was nothing illegal about the invasion of Iraq. In fact, it was sanctioned by BOTH houses of Congress - and even the United Nations, if you care about international law (I personally do not).
B) Saddam was executed for violating the laws of his own country. He was not “murdered” by anyone, least of all President Bush, who was no where NEAR the area when Saddam died.
Saddam didn’t kill terrorists though, so your point is moot. He killed civilians - in effect, he WAS a terrorist. He is also known to have aided and abetted them, and therefore deserved his fate. (Actually, he got FAR better than he deserved. Rusty blades, genitalia, and decapitation - among other things - I’ll let you picture the gory details though, as I’m trying to keep this somewhat family friendly!)
By getalife
March 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
Plame is testifying on C-Span and there is a lady with a pink shirt with Impeach Bush Now!
I agree.
By Dennis
March 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
By harold March 16, 2007 10:41 AM | “The only option is to kill as many of them as possible, as brutally as possible, and as fast as possible.”
“YOU MEAN LIKE SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS DOING VERY SUCCESSFULLY BEFORE DUBYA ILLEGALLY INVADED AND MURDERED HIM?”
Quoting GWB, “Saddam has gassed his own people.”
Now we have GWB to do it instead. And neocons and neocon writers like Mr. Wooten just lap it up as just.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Curious Observer
March 16, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
I recall taking a young son to the hospital for inner ear surgery years ago. When the bill came, I noticed a $10 item ambiguously labeled. Further investigation revealed it was the price of a Coke, the hospital being out of milk and the boy being thirsty.
Such is the state of health care today. Rather than taxing everybody for a universal good like health care, we choose to shift the cost of caring for the indigent to the hapless and insured users of the health care system. A hospital finds it necessary to boost the cost of a Coke by a factor of ten in order to recover its unreimbursed costs. In short, we are already paying for a form of universal health care. It’s just that (a) the users of health care are the only ones paying for the indigent and (b) the care takes the most expensive form—an illness that could have curbed by preventive care is allowed to progress to the point that hospitalization becomes the default health care choice.
You conservatives can fool yourself into thinking that universal health care is a Big Brother nightmare. At the same time, I don’t recall many complaints among Medicare patients. They still have a choice of doctors and hospitals. A similar system for the rest of the country would not bankrupt us. It would, in fact, provide a universal good, while at the same time avoiding the cost-shifting that’s already occurring. It is a strange set of priorities that declares mandatory education as in the realm of the public good, while it views health and life itself as optional.
By Jeff
March 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
CO:
Ah, but you forget: I condone only EXTREMELY LIMITED government involvemnt in people’s lives. Universal health care is a COMPLETELY unwarranted intrusion.
(Not to mention the fact that if the government is paying for it, not only does quality suffer, but government gets to tell you what treatment you get…)
By getalife
March 16, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
It was an orchestrated leak by many people to out an undercover covert CIA agent. just like I thought.
This is treason folks, pure and simple.
The wingnuts who continue to deny this fact are traitors.
By Captain Freedom
March 16, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
I have been following the Plame testimony today, just to see what the traitor witch had to say. Imagine my shock when Rep Tom Davis (R-VA), an honorable man of True Belief, allowed that the problem was that the White House did not know that Plame was covert.
Please, someone needs to correct this good man. Plame was not covert. Everyone knows this. I read it on the Corner website, and our resident braintrust of Markus, TFTT, Dusty, et al have proved this fact over and over through their tireless use of bold font and capitalization.
For the good man from Virginia Rep Davis to accidentally suggest that Plame was covert, why this just gives the America-haters more ammunition for their Zell Miller-approved pea shooters.
By time for the truth
March 16, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
As someone newish to the area I have to say that the marvellous, proposed Confederate History Month for April is a SUPERB idea. Honouring the legacy and sacrifices of millions of folks and the tens of millions today who are descendants of those brave chaps and ladies who fought in Confederate Gray is a long overdue public acknowledgment that leftist/pandering scum like the NAACP should NOT EVER be allowed to prevent. Clearly slavery should NOT in any way be defended or celebrated.
Clearly Confederate Month should also NOT in any way ‘celebrate’ racist Jim Crow type oppression, which was clearly evil and indefensible … just as the mental sickness of liberalism is today!!
By Captain Freedom
March 16, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Hurrah TFTT, and a rebel yell to you!
Agreed that we are long overdue in celebrating a rebellion against the oppressive US government.
I’ll be joining your call for an Irish Republican Army History Month as soon as you get aroung to it. I know how busy you are.
By Dennis
March 16, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
By Jeff March 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Universal health care is a COMPLETELY unwarranted intrusion. (Not to mention the fact that if the government is paying for it, not only does quality suffer, but government gets to tell you what treatment you get…).”
In other word, Jeff, we should all settle for the treatment our soldiers wounded in Iraq are getting at Reed Hospital? That’s about as little intrusion as one can get, wouldn’t you think? And you begrude that?
“Ah, but you forget: I condone only EXTREMELY LIMITED government involvemnt in people’s lives.”
So, you oppose the so-called, and not at all limited, Patriot Act(s) that allow unwarranted search into the private lives of any/all American(s)?
I”ll bet you won’t begrude the best of treatment you want, if someday a catastrophic injury or illness hits you or your family and you don’t have the cash or insurance to cover it.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Captain Freedom
March 16, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
The Captain here to declare his previous post about the Plame matter is no longer operative. Having rec’d his morning talking points fax from RNC, he sees that the prior talking point (that Plame was not a covert agent) is likewise no longer operative.
New and final (for now) talking point: Plame was covert, but she was so covert that there was no way for the good men in the White House to KNOW that she was, so their outing her was in fact just a little oopsie, unintentional collateral damage as it were. Nothing to see here, move along.
By Jack
March 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
Plame was NOT covert but she is a fox.
By time for the truth
March 16, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
sorry to disaapoint you Lance Corporal Syphilis but I wont be joining your shrill noisy treasonous call for an immediate celebration of Generalissimo Santana Day.
But fret not, leftist “sod the borders” scum like you have already made “sanctuary” sh!tholes like VT, NY, CA and MA a free fire zone for all scrounging, freeloading mexican type illegal immigrants and gangbangers.
Sadly the Black and Tans and the British Army didn’t quite kill enough fenian scum … but over the years the lads got quite a few - which is always joyously celebrated. The SAS did a superb job in Gibraltar though with that IRA bomb squad … making possible that marvellous ITV World In Action documentary Death On The Rock
By Van
March 16, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Dennis,
Who do you hold responsible for the deaths of all those civilians in Iraq?
Would that be President Bush (41)? How about Clinton(42)? Under the food for oil program Saddam was to provide for his people instead of lining his pockets.
How about those that administered the Food for oil program? Might they be responsible for the way Saddam handled his end of the deal.
But, being a leftie, I am sure it is all President Bush’s(43)fault, after all, you blame him for everything from Noah’s flood to sun spots.
Regarding universal health care - where does the congress get the authority to do this? No where. It is outside their allotted powers.
Why should someone pay the medical expenses for someone else? In the past, the charity hospitals were supported but contributions and had yearly campaigns to fund the hospitals. It was only when the lefties decided that they knew better that health care became more and more expensive.
To look at this from a leftie point of view, why should I pay for my own health care when the state (PeachCare) can pay for my kids or the feds can pay to keep me healthy instead. Why should I pay anything at all? If I decide to have hair plugs or my eyes fix, why should I have to pay for my own wishes. I think everyone should pay for my face lift or botox injections.
By Truthsayer
March 16, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
Captain Freedom - I don’t know your sources, but the fact is Plame was NOT a covert agent under the applicable statute, period. Where do you get your talking points? Charles Schumer or Osama himself?
By getalife
March 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
Westmoreland is an idiot and an embarrassment.
Get rid of him Ga.
Geez.
Loser.
By Downtown guy
March 16, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
Time for the truth,
only your warped, racially retarded worldview could have turned Jim’s “Watermelon Queen” comment into some twisted, racially perverted romp.
The Watermelon Queen reference could have easily have been Possum Queen, Vidalia Onion Queen, Peanut Queen, Cotton Queen etc…With all of your worldly travels, are you saying that you’ve never been to a county or state fair?
You’re such a damn fool…
By steve-o
March 16, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
Just in the past 24 hours, we have Republicans advocating for a Confederate Historty Month here in GA and then Sen. Brownback (R-Land of Oz) declares homosexuality as immoral.
Keep it up, GOP! You’re doing so swell at marginalizing yourselves and backing your collective up-tight azzes into a corner! LOL!!
By Downtown guy
March 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Time for the truth,
only your warped, racially retarded worldview could have turned Jim’s “Watermelon Queen” comment into some twisted, racially perverted romp.
The Watermelon Queen reference could have easily have been Possum Queen, Vidalia Onion Queen, Peanut Queen, Cotton Queen etc…With all of your worldly travels, are you saying that you’ve never been to a county or state fair?
You’re such a damn fool…
By Downtown guy
March 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Time for the truth,
only your warped, racially retarded worldview could have turned Jim’s “Watermelon Queen” comment into some twisted, racially perverted romp.
The Watermelon Queen reference could have easily have been Possum Queen, Vidalia Onion Queen, Peanut Queen, Cotton Queen etc…With all of your worldly travels, are you saying that you’ve never been to a county or state fair?
You’re such a damn fool…
By Camus
March 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Truthsayer -
Wait for it. Rep Davis’s comments this morning are the first steps towards backing away from the ‘Plame was not covert’ line. The official line will soon quietly acknowledge her covert status, but will assert that the White House had no knowledge of this, so the outing was unintentional.
The Captain is usually just a trivial joker, but in this case seems to be on to something.
See also Rep Davis’s comment that ‘this is a CIA problem, not a White House problem’ towards establishing that it was the CIA’s fault for not informing WH that she was covert.
As to your statement: “the fact is Plame was NOT a covert agent under the applicable statute” does not deny her covert status; nor does it deny that exposing her identity endangered national security. You are hanging on a legalism, and as such, you rise (or lower) yourself to the level of arguing what the definition of ‘is’ is.
By Van
March 16, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this
John D,
If you’re listening, Dusty and I had a marvellous evening at the Dwarf House followed by a session at the gun range. You lose partner.
By time for the truth
March 16, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
@ downtown wanker
Until today I had NEVER heard of such a thing as a “watermelon queen”. Although I had heard of a “homecoming queen” … which Bwarney Fwank won every year in Assachussets for several decades!!
Cheers for the much cherished hissy fit though turd brain!!!
By Shar
March 16, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
I, too, have been confused by the contradictory statements regarding Valerie Plame’s employment status with the CIA. This is from the transcript of today’s testimony: Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., just said he has been told by the CIA, in a statement authorized by CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, that “Miss Wilson’s CIA employment status was covert.”
Hope that clarifies the issue for all.
By Jeff
March 16, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Dennis@11:28:
Actually, I WAS against Patriot from the beginning. I’ve also been against NCLB from the beginning, and pretty much any other form of government intrusion. (Including allowing gays to marry. Expansion of government for ANY reason is NEVER good.)
By Hope
March 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Truthsayer,
Captain Freedom is entirely correct. Plame was covert at the time that she was outed. The law is only broken if those who outed her knew that she was covert. Fitzgerald didn’t prosecute anybody for outing her because he couldn’t prove that those who outed her knew about her covert status. That doesn’t mean they didn’t know; he just couldn’t prove it.
So, it doesn’t follow that the fact that Fitzgerald didn’t prosecute means that the law wasn’t broken. Crimes are committed all the time where suspects aren’t prosecuted because their guilt can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I’m not saying that a law was broken in this case. I don’t know for sure, and neither do you. However, the Republican talking points that (a) Plame wasn’t covert when she was outed, and (b) the fact that Fitzgerald didn’t prosecute means no crime was committed — both out-and-out lies.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Hopeless,
How could Plame be covert during a time when she was going in and out of the CIA building to work? She was outed after her covert mission was over.
By Shar
March 16, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
Milor’: I apoligize for adding to the confusion. The quote from the CIA Director specifically states that her status was covert at the time of the leak. I should have added that part.
By Clark Kent
March 16, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
Jeff claims that allowing gays to marry would be an exercise of government expansion. The only reasonable explanation for such a statement would be that Jeff is visiting us today from Superman’s Bizzaro World. Welcome Jeff.
By Truthsayer
March 16, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
The law states that an agent is considered actively covert if he has been on a covered assignment within the last 5 years. That did not apply to Plame. Also, Fitzgerald could not prove that anyone knew her status. Also, it was general knowledge that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA. When the cat is out of the bag, he’s out. You libs are beating a dead horse, and oddly enough he’s neighing!
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Wanna be Clark kent,
Doom doesn’t know who you are, but you are obviously some regular posting under another punk name.
Allowing gays to marry would be government expansion because of the marital benefits that would come with it. Benefits that include tax relief, insurance,etc.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
Dammit! Why does it have to rain today? My Piedmont Park glory hole partner is a pu$$y and won’t meet me if it’s raining.
If it wasn’t for that fa&&ot MARTA guy being caught with his pants down at the airport, I would still have my second option!
By Shar
March 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Truthsayer: Ms. Plame was specifically asked, under oath, whether the claim that her employment was generally known on the DC cocktail circuit was true. She said it was not. As I am not part of the above circuit, I don’t have first hand knowledge of this issue, but I do know that there are two sides to the claim and that her point of view was given under oath, while the other was not. Also, the CIA Director says she was covert. I have to believe that his is the last word on this, and that he would be intimately familiar with the parameters of employment classification at the Agency. Your point that Fitzgerald could not prove that anyone knew her status before leaking her name is correct.
By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!
March 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
-=-
Jeff —
I’m Sorry that you don’t care about international law. Personally I think that statement shows a very foolish mind.
I’ll be the first to say that killing Saddam was good riddance, but you are dead wrong in the fact that the USA invasion of Iraq was perfectly Legal by International law, and that Saddam’s execution was also legitimate.
When we invaded Iraq, we did not meet the requirements for such an invasion by international law or by even NATO rules for that matter. There was no attack by Iraq on the USA, nor an imminent threat of attack (such as troop movements, or radio messages indicating we were about to be attacked). The Bush administration bent (and broke) many rules to try and justify this war by UN standards. Then when he couldn’t legally do this by UN standards he tried to write his own laws (The Bush Doctrine)
When we captured Saddam, he was of course classified as a POW. This sets into play many legal rules concerning his well being. Handing him over to his enemys (The Shiites) for trial was in direct violations of POW standards of law. The Shiites of course had him dead teh moment they had him.
You can say Saddam gassed civilians, but everyone seems to forget that the Chemical Warfare attacks at Halabja were during the Iraq/Iran war and the Kurds were allied with Iran. Also one of the controversial issues is that many of the Kurds were found to have been killed by Hydrogen Cyanide. Iraq did not have Hydrogen Cyanide munitions, but HC-Munitions were quite common in Iran’s chemical arsenal.
It should be noted that several USA companies were suppliers of the chemicals for Iraq’s Chemical warfare munitions. (Corporate Greed knows no borders). But Iran’s were (get this) supplied mostly by the Chinese!
Legal or Illegal, will of course be determined in the international courts, but there has been a lot of muddying the laws in this war by this administration. There have been violations of the Geneva Conventions. I’m sure at some point this will come up.
But your concept of ignoring or destroying International laws may seem fine to you, but later when we need those laws intact to protect our country’s interest you will surely regret having weakened them for personal gain.
Now who would you turn to for help should China decide it’s time to send in the troops into Taiwan and “Claim” it’s property? Or Vietnam, or Korea, or the Phillipines?
Invading a sovereign country and overthrowing it’s rightful leader without a clear and present threat to the USA has definitly not helped our case in the international arena!
Thomas/PNAC (Always Remember that Diplomacy is actually an ongoing war, just quieter and with fewer bullets!)
By Dennis
March 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
By Jeff March 16, 2007 12:08 PM Dennis@11:28: Actually, I WAS against Patriot from the beginning. I’ve also been against NCLB from the beginning, and pretty much any other form of government intrusion. (Including allowing gays to marry. Expansion of government for ANY reason is NEVER good.)
Good to share those things with you. I can’t agree tho that at times government involvement is always bad.
As a small and quick thought, integration/equal rights would never have happened if the public had been allowed to vote on it. I think the nation is better off because of it. The same with homosexual rights.
From my viewpoint none of us asked to come into this world, especially being born with some type of mental or physical handicap to begin life with. So, I think we’re all better off by taking care of our “sick” (using that as an all inclusive word) than letting them languish w/o any help - the best of healthcare.
And when churches don’t do it and corporations don’t do it, and when families can’t afford it, there’s no other place to turn to except government.
One reason healthcosts are so high is the rapid advancement of health technology.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
The airport delays in the Northeast may mean that Doom will have to wait for his bathroom appointment flying in from Boston!
The authorities have underestimated the intelligence of Doom as the planned rendezvous will be at the Greyhound station bathrooom! HA!
By Hope
March 16, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Doom,
Agents maintain their covert status after their roles in covert activities are over because:
Although nobody intended for Plame to be involved in future covert activities in her career, plans sometimes change.
Even though Plame was no longer involved in covert operations, her CIA colleagues from such operations were. So, by outing Plame, her targets in previous operations could connect the dots and her colleagues might be outed as well (or at least under suspicion).
Tactics used in any covert missions Plame had been involved in would also be disclosed to her targets with her outing, possibly endangering the effectiveness of any similar CIA missions.
By Downtown guy
March 16, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
Time for the truth,
Nothing squeals louder than a stuck pig…
Maybe somebody on this blog can help you remove the pitchfork that’s clearly stuck in your ham…
You’re still a damned fool…
By Downtown guy
March 16, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
Time for the truth,
Nothing squeals louder than a stuck pig…
Maybe somebody on this blog can help you remove the pitchfork that’s clearly stuck in your ham…
You’re still a damned fool…
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Doom is vindicated now that the f*ggot ID jacker has revealed himself.
It is impossible for Doom to be a homosexual because he can’t see his glory hole partner on the other side of the wall. Everybody on their knees and hail the almighty Doom!
By getalife
March 16, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
That 12:53 garbage is not mine.
Geez, broom up your …
By getalife
March 16, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
And stop hitting on me glory hole freak.
I love the ladies only.
Try TFTT.
Geez.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this
I told you that I do not play games with id’s.
Which part of this fact do you not understand?
Idiot.
By Van
March 16, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
Hope,
If Plame was driving back and forth to CIA headquarters, how could she be covert. She might have been undercover, but not covert.
If Plame was covert, was wasn’t Armitage prosecuted?
Just a few questions that might need to be answered.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
I rule many blogs.
You are just an annoying insect.
Shoo fly shoo.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
Doom will grant getalife amnesty from a serious a$$ kicking if getalife volunteers to be on the other side of Doom’s glory hole.
By Van
March 16, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
Dennis,
The rapidly rising costs of health care is the mountains of red tape attached to most government health care plans and insurance company’s health care plans.
My Doctor stated that between the government red tape and the managed health care red tape, he could not determine which was worse.
Add to this the folks, that should not be entitled anything beyond life saving or critical care and you have a lot of waste.
By Camus
March 16, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
Van,
Are you seriously suggesting that covert agents NEVER drive to Langley? That any agent who drives there is fair game? Are all your posts this unintelligent? This is almost as stupid as the guy who posted that all the recently fired prosecutors were Democrats.
As Hope at 12:20 pointed out: “Fitzgerald didn’t prosecute anybody for outing her because he couldn’t prove that those who outed her knew about her covert status. That doesn’t mean they didn’t know; he just couldn’t prove it.” That’s clear enough language for anyone with a third grade intellect to comprehend.
This is exactly what he said at his press conference announcing the Libby indictment. However, he could and did prove that Libby willfully lied and obstructed justice.
Fitzgerald (a Republican appointee, by the way, just like the recently ousted prosecutors) has been a model of legal probity in this matter. No leaks, no off the cuff remarks at dinners where he could be quoted off the record (cf. Ken Starr and team for contrasting examples). Just a tight investigation that convicted the VP’s closest advisor.
Face it, the VP and his gang overreached in this matter, just like Rove and company overreached in the blossoming US Attorney scandal. They always act as though they have the right to do whatever they want, and challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
In the Libby case, Fitz showed at least one limit to their doctrine of infallibility. Whether the US Atty matter draws another line remains to be seen.
My own guess is that Abu Gonzales is back in Texas for some quality family time before Easter. And that David Addington takes his place, to no betterment of the DoJ.
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
Aww this was going to be a good blog today but……
All we get is this screaming about Valerie Plame. I am afraid Ms. Plame and Mr. Plame(Wilson) are very much into getting their names in the news and for the overall goal of liberals, i.e. undermining President Bush.
If Ms. Plame is a “good” CIA agent, then no wonder the CIA has come up with some doubtful reports. If she recommended her own husband for an inside outside job, what kind of agent is that? And to be said by so many in Washinton circles that it was common knowledge that Ms. Plame worked for the CIA, how can she be covert? I thought covert meant undercover and not known by others.
Oh, well, our “spy” lady has paid her liberal “dues” and can now write a book. Probably a new series “Spywork for Dummies” as written by one.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
I nickjack Doom because I am traumatized. I grew in a household where my dad was a homosexual and my mom was a hermaphrodite. I came home early one day and caught my dad sucking my mom’s c*ck.
By Van
March 16, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Camus,
Poor befuddled Camus -
Plame said she wasn’t a lawyer and didn’t know what her legal status was but said it shouldn’t have mattered to the officials who learned her identity.
“They all knew that I worked with the CIA,” Plame said. “They might not have known what my status was but that alone - the fact that I worked for the CIA - should have put up a red flag.”
From todays House meeting.
No crime, no foul.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Since Doom was a doctor before becoming Lord, he has the medicine to help getalife get over his mental trauma. It must be administered via glory hole.
By Van
March 16, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
Camus,
If you drive to a strip club everyday of the work week, week after week, people will think one of two things, either you work there or you are meeting someone that does work there. Either way, you are associated with the strip club.
And I really do not think that covert agents do much business, physically, at Langley. Covert means “secret” and how secret is it to be seen driving in and out of Langley every day.
But you sheep do not care for obvious acts, just another chance to hate Bush.
By Mrs. RepubLady
March 16, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Van is right! No crime no foul. It’s not like Rove and Libby got a bl-w j-b from that show-off, cheap hair dye Plame woman. Now THAT would be a crime! No decent man would ever even ask for one, and if he did, he should go to J-A-I-L. A year sleeping on the couch is not punishment enough. Stick to the real crimes, people, and stop screaming about national security. My defense company stocks remain strong, and so will America!
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
UH oh,
I just read that Ms. Plame ALREADY has a contract probably with Prolific Propaganda Inc. for writing a book. The title is not to be “Spywork for Dummies” but some other covert title which is not to be publicized until the money rolls in. Oh, the high calling of being a golden blond spy!!
Now I must attend to some of my own highly trained covert work of great importance. Yes, indeed. See you later…
By Jack
March 16, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
People crack me up when they think that just because someone testifies under oath that they are telling the truth. FYI.: People lie in courtrooms everyday while under oath. Don’t you agree jbmlaw?
By Van
March 16, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
© 2007 Associated Press.
Wilson has written a book, and Plame is working on one, “Fair Game,” although it has had a troubled history. In May 2006, the Crown Publishing Group announced it would publish her book, a deal reportedly worth seven figures. But the two sides could not agree on a final contract, and two months later an agreement was announced with Simon & Schuster.
Plame’s book is subject to a mandatory review by the CIA. On Thursday, Simon & Schuster spokesman Adam Rothberg would say only that the book was “in progress,” and that publication was expected soon.
By Camus
March 16, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
By Jack March 16, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this People crack me up when they think that just because someone testifies under oath that they are telling the truth. FYI.: People lie in courtrooms everyday while under oath. Don’t you agree jbmlaw?
You are correct, Jack. That’s why Scooter is headed for jail. Thanks for making the point.
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Ah yet another undercover agent, Mrs. RepubLady. Her “act” is too phony, just like Capn Freedom’s, redneck, et al. More liberal imposters!!
Really must leave now… bye..
By jbmlaw
March 16, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Dear Jack @ 2:22, you are correct about courtroom lies, although that is mostly limited to witnesses. A fellow attorney in another state reminds me that even our legal arguments have to pass the “straight face” test – if we cannot say it with a straight face, we better get another argument. Our friend Camus @ 2:29 is also correct – only Republicans are subject to the laws against perjury.
By GRCleft
March 16, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
It’s too bad that Wooten doesn’t impose the “straight face” test on jbmlaw’s posts.
By jbmlaw
March 16, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
Dear All, you may be shocked to learn that mainland China now has greater private property protection (at least in theory) than exists in the US post-Kelo. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/asia/jan-june07/china_03-16.html
By getalife
March 16, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Yep, this is where the traitors blog.
They outed an undercover CIA agent idiots.
These people could stop the next attack.
Pathetic.
By Disgusted
March 16, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Apparently, the CIA has chosen to pull its employee roster off the Web. I don’t know why the CIA would do that, but I’m sure that every CIA employee’s identity is a matter of public record.
That’s why, I’m sure, it never occurred to Cheney, Libby, Armitage, et al. to ask a question like, “Hey, if this is a CIA employee, should we really publish the name via reporters?” What a silly question! Of course we should “out” every CIA employee, particularly if he/she or a spouse has written or said anything critical of us.
Or perhaps it’s simply a convenient way of paring the CIA roster. Got an employee you don’t want there? Don’t go to the trouble of firing that person. Simply slip the name of the person to a Novak or some other flack sympathetic to you. That reporter will then perform the patriotic duty of removing the usefulness of the troublesome employee for any confidential work.
By Neo-Con Artist
March 16, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
It’s very obvious from the Truthsayer’s posts today about Valerie Plame that he/she has not bothered to actually listen to the sworn testimony being given about the case today. Otherwise, I’m sure he/she would not be stating such lies here about Ms. Plame.
Thank you.
By Van and Logic = Oil and Water
March 16, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
Van wrote, “If you drive to a strip club everyday of the work week, week after week, people will think one of two things, either you work there or you are meeting someone that does work there.”
Or, they’ll think your a Christian Conservative.
Watch out for Van, ladies. He’s a bad tipper.
By Van and Logic = Oil and Water
March 16, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
Correction: your = you’re.
The part about Van being a bad tipper is true. Right Dusty?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
“only Republicans are subject to the laws against perjury.”
jblaw— because they seem to be the ones always lying.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
Doom has drafted you into service. Will you be my glory hole partner?
By GodHatesTrash
March 16, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Most rednecks go to stripclubs to check on their family members and get money for dinner.
Filthy trash.
By Van
March 16, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
Van and Logic = Oil and Water,
Hey, dummy, everyone knows the far right only goes once or twice a week, less chance of getting caught.
Hey Goldie, you mean like Billy boy bubba did? Seems the left lies better than the right does, they only get caught with marked money in their freezer or being named after Sir Edmund Percival Hillary, before he became famous. The one I liked, was, “…depends what the definition of is, is?”
You want to know why the lefties are watching the bimbo on C-Span? They are all followers of Waxman, a far-far left wacko.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
“it amazes me 30% still support bush & co. By Mike Luckovich | Friday, March 16, 2007, 03:58 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
almost daily, it seems, there are revelations about the LIES-( anyone who leaked a cia agent’s name in my administraion will be fired, wmd, al-qaida/saddam link, we’ll be greeted as liberators, central front in the war on terror, makin’ good progress….) INCOMPETENCE- (katrina, iraq, my pet goat, tora bora,global warming, harriett miers, dubai….) TREASON- (valerie plame). and yet there are a minority of americans who say they support these idiots. retired general tony mcpeak, member of the joint chiefs during the gulf war said this recently, “America has been conducting an experiment for the past six years, trying to validate the proposition that it really doesn’t make any difference who you elect president. Now we know the result of that experiment [laughs]. If a guy is stupid, it makes a big difference. fortunately, 70% of americans realize that too. in 2008, i hope you 70% will join me in voting for the candidate you feel is most COMPETENT and pray the 30% forgets to vote. mike”
Me too Mike.
Please explain yourselves wingnuts.
By deegee
March 16, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this
Van @11:29 Why should someone pay the medical expenses for someone else?
Good question. No social security and Medicare for you, bigmouth.
By Van
March 16, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
getalife
“TREASON- (valerie plame).” Obviously, you are an ignorant slug who has not taken the time to read the definition of treason in the Constitution.
let me help you butt head.
Article III, Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
So, try to twist some kind of logic and show me how this even comes close.
More hot air coming from the back end of a leftie is all I hear from you. You are so full of sh*t that your eyes are brown - old joke, but fits.
Your logic is void of reason and your opinions are written for you by some fragrant(unwashed) hippie want-a-be or the democrat talking points, same thing.
Try growing up, and let the adults play on this blog.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
Well, Van spewed his pathetic excuse.
Geez.
By Van
March 16, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
deegee,
If this was an argument about starting Social Security or Medicare, I would agree with you. I am not going to be relying on SS for my old age, I took responsibility for my retirement and got an education and a good job. Same thing for medical coverage in old age.
What gets my goat, is the whine from the left that says, i didn’t do enough for my old age and I want the government to take care of poor little old me.
They’re many that can not take care of them selves and for those they need help, the rest are lazy, undereducated and unwilling to better themselves.
We have many charities supported by folks like myself, to these I give willingly, let the stupid go there and get off the government teat. For the lazy, let them suffer until they get the message and start doing something for their own well being. For those that decided that the life with illegal drugs or other addictions is what they want in life, so be it, let them reap the rewards of a wasted life.
By Van
March 16, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
getalife ,
Is that the best you have, pathetic
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
Luckovich is a disgrace to this country and Atlanta. You are no better. I wouldn’t care except it is exactly what our enemies want to hear. Now they get encouragement, not only from his cartoons, but his words and yours.
If he wants to mention treason, he gives us a good example of it. Our country is at war and he hates every bit of it and works against it. What else can you call that?
I don’t believe free speech includes treason. What Luckovich gives us is not patriotism. It is not support for the troops. It is not support for the country and certainly not support for the administration trying to run our country in difficult times. Give it any name you want but he is undermining the country in his small way. And during wartime at that! I have no use for people like that who call themselves Americans.
By deegee
March 16, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
Van, you said you didn’t know why someone should pay someone else’s medical expenses. Whether you pay the government or you pay a private insurance company the outcome is the same. Your premiums pay someone else’s expenses when they are sick and you are healthy. The insurance companies work it out so that they charge you enough to cover all of their expenses and still make a profit.
At the rate we are going, there won’t be enough people in the workforce to pay your expenses when you are old. That should be of a concern to you. If you have been a good citizen and invested your money in a 401K then I hope the economy is strong enough when you retire that stock market is still trending up and are enough to offset the taxes you will pay on your 401K withdrawls.
By steve-o
March 16, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Amen, brother! I can’t believe how some of this neoCON wingnuts still sit there and try to defend this administration! By far the most incompetent administration in recent history! Do they even realize that they are in the 30 percent minority?
Dusty,
You call Lukovich a disgrace to the country? Don’t you know that his cartoons echo popular sentiment in this country? Look at your favorite child-king if you want to see a disgrace.
Van,
You tell getalife to grow up, but then lace your 5:11 post with fart and fecal jokes. Really?
It’s great to hear arguments on all sides, but some of you guys really need a reality check.
By Van
March 16, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
steve-o,
Is that all you got?
You’re right, I stooped to fart and fecal jokes, I wanted the lefties to understand and to get their attention. I got down on their level.
When you spew crap, expect it back.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
And of course, crusty the clown spews her patriotic bs.
You are in the minority, so stop calling the majority of the American unpatriotic.
Makes you look like an idiot.
Geez.
By Dusty
March 17, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
getalife & steve-o,
I will always be with the patriots whether the polls show 30% or 70%. That is something you cannot understand.