Thinking Right

By JohnD(the actual)

March 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Good day to you Jim,

I guess you do not read the posts by the left on this blog. The opinion is dominated by terms such as, ignorant, knuckle-dragging, red neck, and on and on and on. Dull.

The position of the “progressives” is often that the South would be a wasteland if not for all the Yankees who moved here and are now in the majority. Criticism of the drivers, the politicians, the businesses and just about every facet of life in the South then follow this view.

Gee, one minute the South is a success because of the influx from the north and the next minute the majority of people here are thoughtless, self-absorbed, goobers. They are critical of themselves and do not recognize the irony.

By getalife

March 4, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

One of the funniest threads

Mike punked the lgf so bad that their blog is down.

Geez.

By fk

March 4, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

People tend to exploit what they don’t like or understand. Sometimes, it is just reluctance to change. IMO, the reason why the stereotype may persist for some, is that so many people here still label newcomers as transplants, Northerners as “Yankees”, and insult people from other parts of the country, claiming that a fast-paced society is rude. Plus, so many are quick to define the differences, and think that social graces have to do with geography rather than upbringing.

Actually, we’re all quite similar, although some may speak a little differently. Life would be pretty dull if we were all the same.

By getalife

March 4, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Man at the hate convention

Geez.

By Mid-South Philosopher

March 4, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

There was an old story…told in the segregation days…about an elderly black man who traveled to the North sometime just after the War Between the States. Upon returning to his home (one may suppose) in Georgia, he is reported to have given some advice to his neighbors and friends who gathered round him to hear about what he had learned in the great wide world. The advice was, “Save yore Confederate money, boys, the South is gonna rise agin.”

Likely, this tale was motivated by a large helping of ignorance seasoned by a thorough dusting of racism. Yet, while Confederate money has not returned to general circulation, it would seem that those of us who are of original families in the South (many of whom were NOT slave owners) have managed to accumulate a sufficient supply of “Yankee Dollars.”

To that end, plus the fact that slavery needed to be ended, I don’t really mind that the “blue-bellies” prevailed.

Keep those “Yankee Dollars” flowing, boys!

By Nicole

March 4, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

JohnD @10:50 “The position of the “progressives” is often that the South would be a wasteland if not for all the Yankees who moved here and are now in the majority.”

Wikipedi: “A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. To “set up a straw man” or “set up a straw-man argument” is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent.”

JohnD’s comment above is an example of a straw man argument.

By Grampus

March 5, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Ignorance is universal. Most people don’t know their own butt from a hole in the ground, much less what goes on in the county next to them. So as long as no wars break out over it, who cares what some dumbass thinks about anything?

By Brad

March 5, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

The America’s general attitude of the South reminds me of the world’s view of America. Everyone makes fun of it and chastizes it, yet they all secretly wish they were living in it. Let’s not forget about all the movies made in and about it. Judging from all the New Jersey, New York, and Michigan plates around here, a lot of those wishes have become reality. If nothing else, those wishes to escape unfairly high taxation have become reality.

By RC

March 5, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

People believe what they want to believe. I was born in Atlanta. Never lived more than 12 miles from downtown. Only live 3 miles away now. I don’t advertise it, but the question, “Where are you from?’, seems to get asked a lot in this town. When they find out you are a native, the questioners eyebrows go up, and they never fail to tell you that you a minority, a dying breed, pushed out and overwhelmed by the migrating masses from elsewhere.

I just smile at this oft repeated urban myth and let them get on with their misinformed lives because it doesn’t harm anything and it makes me seem “special”. Who knows, maybe there will be some reparation money in it some day.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Dear Nicole, with all due respect, JohnD’s observation is not a “strawman.” I have suffered the prejudice myself. I don’t know your perspective, but you must be one of our leftists if you found JohnD’s observation objectionable.

Good morning all. In the early days of my careers, before law school, I worked 10 years for a government agency. One of its features was a thorough training program, where all field representatives were brought to Washington for training, on average three weeks per year. Vanderbilt never prepared me for the mindless prejudice I encountered, but I was not alone. Anyone with a southern accent, and anyone with a Bronx or Brooklyn accent was assumed to be slightly slower, intellectually, than the rest. At first my nose was a little out of joint and I have a huge nose, but then I discovered I could effectively, and with no penalty, “show up” academically practically any offender, so it became a game. Being thought dumber than one is, can be beneficial - I came to count that as a weapon in my arsenal.

By Watta Load

March 5, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

I read “Think the South is a wasteland” and it seems that the author spent most of his research in and around the metro areas of the states he visited…Atlanta, Houston, Charlotte, and even Raleigh (with Cary and RTP) are NOT the south. The author apparently did not attend a chicken fight in Blue Ridge, or listen to the “N” word be freely spoken at a grocery store in Warner Robbins, or watch a mangy dog fall out of the back of a pickup truck in Elberton. (That dog acquired the name “Lucky” after that event). Sure, people are moving to the south but not to the boonies. East BumF**k, Georgia is still 40 to 50 years behind the rest of the country and always will be. The south will rise again? Ha..it was never risen in the first place.

By Ohio Stater!!

March 5, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Best thing to come out of the south? I-75 going north!!!

By Van

March 5, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Since the “progressives” think the US is the source of every evil thing, from global warming to being too arrogant, how can we expect them to like the South.

We tend to be a little more conservative, a little less hung up on who or where you came from and a little more laid back than the east or west coast lefties.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Hey Jim,

If AJC wants to print a few kind words about the South, give them a little pat on the back. AJC is a bit slow on the uptake about this part of the country. In fact, judging from most of the editorials, the South aka mostly conservative at this time, is one big bag of dumb bunnies for supporting the war and the President.

But the loyalty of Southerners to our enjoyable way of life and our love of country is well ingrained in those who were born and raised here. We remember our manners and simply smile over the ignorance of those who come here and complain but never leave.

By Nikita

March 5, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

There are some portions of the South, unfortunately, that don’t represent the South well. For example, I recently was in a small town where the n-word was bandied about frequently and casually in public (people, just ‘cause I’m white doesn’t mean I’m as racist as you). That same town’s newspaper was featuring an op-ed by the local klan boss while I was there. So, while the South is not a backward place as a whole, it continues to have some rough patches.

By Steve

March 5, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

The stereotypes still exist. Oddly, I hear them from poeple that are from this area. My girlfriend and I have a habit of striking out for rides with no particular destination in mind. We see a lot of the area. I don’t find the knuckle dragers. Instead I find openly friendly, kind, helpful and intelligent people. Southerners are the greatest resource of the South.

By Eric

March 5, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

By fk

March 4, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

People tend to exploit what they don’t like or understand.

Like minorities in the South?

I spent the weekend at a Christian retreat, with a group of 9th grade boys, who spent a large part of the weekend disparaging blacks, asians, latinos and other minorities. These were North Fulton, well to do, kids from ‘good’ Christian families. Despite my attempts to explain why there comments and beliefs were so wrong (black people have extra bones & muscles and are less intelligent or Latinos are lazy and all drug dealers) they held firm to their beliefs. Not so ‘progressive’. Perhaps we should spend less time fighting over whether to teach kids about ‘intelligent design’ and more time teaching them real evolutionary biology and making them understand the reality of a the global information age we live in.

For what it is worth I was born and raise in the South and while I see much progress… a LARGE majority of it is BECAUSE people have come from outside the South and FORCED it to change.

And if you are lumping George W in with the ‘Southern’ Presidents you are sadly mistaken.

By @@

March 5, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

‘Ya know Jim, I’m a native of California who now resides in Georgia. Social and elitist prejudices rarely, if ever, travel west to east. They almost always travel north to south, even in other countries.

Maybe it’s linguistics, like Jbmlaw mentioned. Whenever I witness it or experience it, I’m reminded of something I read once:

“Once a male bird with an elaborate courtship ritual gets started, he loses himself in his own performance, evidently. Take the female away and he doesn’t even notice her absence until he’s finished the whole show.”

Now just to make my point more clear, I see the “male bird” as arrogant northerners and the “female bird” as the disinterested party.

You can draw your own conclusions Jim.

Just who makes a fool out of whom?

And by the way Jim…you forgot to mention the “trailer trash” analogy the elitists often assign to southerners.

There’s some “trailer trash” down in Briny Beach, Florida who are negotiating with a developer. They each stand to make $1,000,000.00 for each individual lot and they get to keep their “trashy trailers”.

Not too shabby, eh Jim?

By Gman

March 5, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

I haven’t read the article yet, but I have seen the idiocy and discrimination exhibited towards folks from the South in all parts of the country. Be it friends of mine visiting family in New Jersey and being told they can’t buy alcohol b/c they have an out of state license, or myself in Denver, CO being asked bt friends if I play the banjo, and are any cousins in my family married to each other, and of course the standard “People want to restart the Civil War again down there don’t they.” The negative stereotypes abt the South and Southerners are so prevalent in other regions of this country that those perceptions, and therefore ignorance, are certainly the majority view and not the minority. It is so apalling, the thoughts and perceptions people have of the way Southerners live (“everything is so new down there, I was surprised” or “You have indoor plumbing?”)that you have to laugh on occasion. But seriously, if I ever move again, it will be further South of the Mason-Dixon, towards the gulf, where I can find MORE good Southern people and not LESS. I will not live outside of this region ever again, too much prejudice and ignorance for me to handle.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Nikita,

Rough patches, indeed. You want to tell me what part of the country is smooth as glass? YOUR part of the country maybe?

Please. Please. I am trying not to say that ignorance is bliss, but I think you are very happy.

By Morris

March 5, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Gee wiz, I wasn’t aware the the n-word is only used by ignorant rednecks living in the South.

By Curious Observer

March 5, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

It is a fallacy to conclude that Atlanta is at all representative of Georgia and of the South in general. The South consists largely of, to use Rednecks—al Qaeda’s apt phrase, a bunch of stumpbroke rednecks, quite a few of whom are represented on this blog. It is racist and regressive. That’s why I make it a point to tell people I meet that I live Georgia but grew up and hope to live in retirement further north. Only in the South will you find majority support for a president as stupid and poorly performing as the one we have now. Only in the South will you find people who will vote against their own economic best interests in order to satisfy a hatred of minorities. Only in the South does the 19th Century continue to exist in social, cultural, and religious attitudes.

Go ahead and congratulate yourselves that some poorly informed columnist has chosen to mistake some major Southern cities for the South. Then drive 50 miles in any direction and listen to the N-word and other expressions of hatred of minorities and modernity in general. Then return and read the screeds of Van, Markus, jbmlaw, John D.,Dusty, and TFTT. There is the real South—narrow-minded, intolerant, and venemous in its hate and utter selfishness.

By Scott Case

March 5, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

My girlfriend has relatives who live in San Fran. I was called racist for saying one of my friends is a “black dude” This is no lie. We were in the Media Play parking lot in Stone Mtn and there were a lot of black kids walking out of the store. She rolled up her windows and locked the door.

By CDog

March 5, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

In stereotyping southerners, most people are fulfilling a stereotype of people who criticize the South. Is it not amazing how every event or observation always confirms one’s preconceived notions about what is true?

I was born and raised in the South and am proud of it. I love it here and would not want to live anywhere else. If other people want to come here to live, that is great. I do not blame them. But please do not come here and tell us how much better it was back from where you came. If the South is so terrible and it is so great elsewhere, then in the words of Lewis Grizzard, “Delta is ready when you are.”

By Southern Democrat

March 5, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

For those who attempt to promote the Moonie Wash Times as an accurate source of news: http://georgearchibald.typepad.com/george_archibald/2007/02/unhinged.html

As for today’s topic, as a native Southerner (3rd generation Atlantan) who has lived all over the world, I think that the South is probably the best place in the world to live, but also still has a long way to go towards equality and opportunity for all.

The South has a wonderful heritage and history, but seems to tolerate biases that have been driven out in the “marketplace of ideas” in other places. As another poster mentioned, when I was a teacher, I was astounded at the level of bigotry and both outspoken and latent racism and socio-economic prejudice in my well-educated students. One thing I do love about being back in the South, though, is feeling comfortable as a religious believer. Many other cities and countries do not embrace religion as readily as the South. That being said, I wish more Christians in the South would behave in a more Christ-like fashion and care for the least of our people.

By I'm just saying ..

March 5, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

I have lived in the South for 16 years. I have traveled all throughout the backroads of North Georgia, South Georgia, the Carolinas, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi. I have been in everything from a 2 pump gas station straight out of Deliverance to a ten table country diner. Not one time has this white person ever heard the N word used by locals in any of those places. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I’m just saying that I’ve never witnessed it. Everything that is said about the South needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The South is only two generations from the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Some people just don’t want to believe the South has evolved and continues to gradually leave behind a dark past. But Americans, especially the Lefties, always have to have a whipping boy. That would be the South. As long as I’ve got my chicken fried steak, cathead biscuits, and sawmill gravy, I could care less what everyone else thinks!

By @@

March 5, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Oh, and Jim…before I leave here, I wanted to mention how disappointed I was to read this:

NAACP President Resigns After 19 Months

Gordon said that although the NAACP is an advocacy organization, his vision was to focus more on finding practical solutions to black America’s problems.

Gordon repeatedly made clear that he wanted the NAACP to do more social service work, said Rupert Richardson, a board member from Louisiana, but board members balked.

“I think he saw his job as remaking us to make us more effective, but his job was to do what the board and management wanted,” she said. “He was not a good fit for us, but he could have been.”

He used his corporate ties to lend quick assistance to black New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina. And he hired a number of key national employees whose reputations inspired staff members.

“What I’ve clearly learned in my tenure here is that all is not well in black America, that’s for sure,” he said.

I really thought that Gordon could benefit the NAACP and its’ supporters but what do I know?

I’m white.

By Britannica

March 5, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

OK anyone citing wikipedia needs to learn the definition of the word credibility, because they and it ain’t got none.

By Nikita

March 5, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Don’t shoot the messenger, folks, nor assume my background. I am a southerner, like you, and I own property in the town in question. I grew up in rural NW Ga. and I live in a medium-sized town in NE ga. I am embarassed that when people come to my home state they are treated to such low-class behavior. I have seen it elsewhere, as well.

Furthermore, I’m tired of hearing the “they do it elsewhere” canard. Yeah, they do — I’ve experienced bigotry elsewhere — but that doesn’t make it right.

And finally, want to be treated with respect? Give it to others, and act lik you deserve respect.

By anyplace

March 5, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Not sure why people always pick on the south but if you travel to ANY major city in ANY part of the country you will notice once you leave the city you always encounter and different class of people. Not to say that these people are less than anyone else, usually are nicer IMO but heck leave NYC and go into Jersey and talk about some rednecks. Same as California or any other place.

By K-Squared

March 5, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw at 8:55,

No need to blame your insecurities on “Yankees” or “leftists”. See a shrink or a speech therapist if you’re embarrassed about your accent.

Perhaps others in your training program thought you were slightly slower intellectually because you were slightly slower intellectually. Despite “showing up” those stupid and bigoted government employees, you don’t seem to know that memorization and critical thinking are two different skills. You clearly lack the latter.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Certainly nobody would ever describe the screeds of our friend Curious as “narrow-minded, intolerant, and venemous in its hate and utter selfishness.” LOL

Dear Southern @ 10:13, I think you swerved into the truth for all of us: Southerners “tolerate biases that have been driven out in the “marketplace of ideas” in other places.” That would be an apt definition of “freedom,” a nice (in my narrow-minded, intolerant, and venemous in its hate and utterly selfish perspective) contrast to the think-speak, commonly called “political correctness” today, as we find it in the NorthEast.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

My previous post to Southern used clumsy prolix language. The great virtue of the south is that we are free to be ourselves, without facade.

By What does IMO mean?

March 5, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

No, really , what does that mean? I’ve got LOL and LMAO figured out, but not IMO.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Dear K-Squared @ 10:21, not to fear, everyone who ever spends more than 10 minutes with me is instantly converted into a brown-nosing toady, afraid to disagree with me, for fear I will humiliate them. I don’t know why that is.

By getalife

March 5, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

The ladies out west loved my southern accent.

I traveled all over this great country and none of it is wasteland.

By fk

March 5, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Eric,

Obviously, affluence certainly does not equate to intelligence or tolerance. BTW, my 16 y/o son came up with the line you quoted. He understands far more than many adults. Keep doing what you’re doing, and if you reach only one kid, you’ve been successful.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Dear IMO, “in my opinion,” or sometimes IMHO, adding the word “humble,” a nice Southern affectation.

By Southern Democrat

March 5, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Jbmlaw,

I would have supposed that based upon your commitment to the “perfect market,” you, like me, would acknowledge that prejudice and bias have no inherent value and should thus be discarded. Their persistence is willful and not natural. Your son’s employer, the U.S. military, best memorialized this notion in its amicus brief in the Michigan Law case… once affirmative action gave racial minorities a chance, the overall capability of the officer corps and the enlisted ranks rose significantly. The South needs to celebrate its triumphs over segregation and slavery while acknowledging that the work is not finished.

This may sound harsh, but I mean it:

Show me a person who says that equality is here and that racism is gone and I’ll show you a closet bigot.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Dear Southern @ 10:37, except for your choice of words I agree with your argument. To the extent you would substitute “bigotry” where you use bias and prejudice, I agree. I think bias, prejudice, and racism are all useful, it is merely bigotry that is wrong.

By RC

March 5, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Gimme a break. I don’t know what la-la land some of you think you came from, but 99% of the white people in Atlanta I hear using the n-word and expressing racist views towards blacks are from parts of the country other than the South.

You might have been closet “tolerants” when you were back home, but you come here and think you can let it all out and we’ll agree. Well, most of us don’t, so shut the hell up. I don’t know what makes me cringe more, hearing “your off the record” racist crap in social settings or reading the hypocrisy you write in this blog.

By Everyman

March 5, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

I’m a socially liberal, financially conservative Libertarian military veteran, born in Hawaii, raised in southwest Georgia (Columbus), son of parents from Boston and Long Island. I love the South and Georgia, and having lived here almost all my 40-plus years, consider myself a southerner.

Georgia is no more racist or backward than any other area of the United States, despite what detractors would have us believe.

On the other hand, any negative publicity that keeps more people from flooding here to complain about how much more civilized things are in Sanduskie or Chicago or Bridgeport can’t be a bad thing. I’d prefer going back to the days when the good quality of life in Georgia was a well-kept secret.

By JP

March 5, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

CDog, don’t think that some of us haven’t considered leaving Metro ATL because of how far right the area and state are: I have. Might happen, too. Lots of great things here—recreation, climate for example—but the backwards attitudes are wearing on me.

To me, it’s not the accent or intelligence of rural folk—most of whom are good honest people—because rural life exists in every state. It’s the (pardon my Dean reference) Guns, God and Gays garbage. As I’ve told people before and I will again, if gay marriage is in your top 5 issues facing America, we don’t have much in common and we probably wouldn’t be good friends.

By Southern Democrat

March 5, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Upon review, Jbmlaw, that last sentence was not meant to be directed towards you, but to a more general sentiment expressed by some. I did not, and do not, consider you prejudiced in the least.

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Dear Southern @ 10:37, I have to run in a minute or two, and I am certain you will desire that I justify my acceptance of “bias” and “prejudice” and “racism,” and I hope you will not question why I distinguish “bigotry.”

My tolerance of bias and prejudice, similarly originated, is recognition that we are all creature of limited capacity, incapable of reinventing the wheel on every potential decision we face each day. Our biases and prejudices are mere intellectual shorthands, to expedite our intellectual voyages. Thus, you are inclined toward the arguments of the New York Times and The Nation, whereas I am less likely to challenge arguments I read in the WSJ or in Ann Coulter’s column. Nothing invidious in those biases/prejudices, just shortcuts.

Similarly, I don’t read racism as inherently evil. “Black folk play basketball better” is not an evil statement. “Asians are the best mathematicians” does not denigrate anyone, even though it facially denigrates all non-Asians. Further, both of those statements have a non-judgmental factual basis. Mere expression of true racist statements cannot be charged as evil.

Where you and I would agree, I think, is that a false racial statement, or use of a true racial statement for purpose of denigrating an individual, would be evil. That, of course, is the fundamental evil of “the collective,” which is why I argue so passionately and regularly against socialism - systemized collectivization - on these pages.

Must run, hope to be back later today.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,

With your usual condescension, you close by saying you wish Christians in the South would “behave in a more Christ-like manner and care for the least of our people”. May I ask what church you attend? Obviously you do not attend mine.

Christians can never do enough. That is true. Even Christ said that we would have the poor with us always. Our church, whose members have varied complexions by the way, is reaching out in every way possible. There are outreach programs for those without shelter, for school children, for refugeees, for the hungry and cold, the grief stricken, even newborns of the indigent, and worldwide outreach through national programs supported locally.

We are blessed in this country with freedom and resources. We have fought for freedom in Afghanistan and now in Iraq. The South is very active in every inititive in this country. As a Southern Christian, please tell me exactly what else you have in mind?

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

OK I chose to live in the South. I came to school here and I choose to stay. When I first got here, (Spellman), I was told by some of my sorrority sisters to NEVER go into Fosythe county alone for anything. I went to the outlet mall one day, got caught up with the sales, and didn’t make it out before the sun set. I was so scared — I kept picturing that old movie Macon County Line, and I kept thinking back to what my parents would say when they pulled my body out of the river where some white boys had dumped me.

Anyway, I got a flat tire on GA 400, 75,000,000,000 black people passed me by and didn’t stop to help, then this one white guy in this old pick up truck came by, (yes, I thought I was dead for sure); this guy fixed my tire, didn’t take any money from me, and single handedly dispelled one myth that I had harbored about the south.

Now, not saying that I’ll just go up and down 400 into Forsythe anytime I want, but I know now that not all white southerners are the blatant racists.

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

YANKKKEES GO HOME … YANKKKEES GO HOME

A superb line from a great 10cc song off their classic 1970’s Sheet Music album that still resonates with clear thinking sensible folks today.

How hilariously predicktable that Curious Peeping Tom hatefully quotes its thinly veiled alter ego rednekkks NAMBLA.

Self absorbed narcissistic yankkkees have been the scourge of the south ever since the shameful days of the uterly abysmal Karter presidency. This sorry, now senile peanut loving narcissistic wanker and his repulsive black racist side kick Andi ‘I never saw a non-black I dont hate’ Young opened up the yankkkee floodgates and invited the nasal whining, (did I say self absorbed?) scum to come on down!!

In more recent years the wholly ONE WAY yankkkee infestation of the south has reached illegal mexican type proportions. With the same catastrophic kultural/genetic ruin.

Now we in the south are seemingly forever stuck with loud mouthy socially inept selfish noisy brattish yankkkees and even worse, their demon seed brats. In Dixie the cheaper housing, the much warmer weather, the more laid back, relaxed tolerant lifestyle attract yankkkees like swarming horseflies round a pile of NYPD horsesh!t on a fetid summer’s day in the endlessly violent hippety hop Bronx.

In Costco and other places one encounters the archetypal loud boorish yankkkee noisily puking up its sorry life history to anyone in earshot in the queue for the tills. Attend a Braves vs new yawwwwk yankkkee/northern baseball team game and the bastards drown out everyone around them with endless vapid attention seeking noise. Listen to the loudest wankers on cell phones in the metro area … invariably (but not quite always) its some damn yankkkee who cannot or will not STFU!!

Amd lets not forget a special mention for the ever louder yankkkee bastards who infest every restaurant now, oblivious to those of us who dont give a flying fook about their poxy worthless lives/gossip!!

The plague and pox of yankkkees needs to be URGENTLY addressed … perhaps a punitive tax on pointless endless public yapping, visual pollution, spoiled narcissstic behaviour etc would go some way to sending some of the *ers back home!!

NAMBLA claims its buggered off back to VT … why cant it take the rest of this human scum detritus with it!!

Apologies to true conservative yankkkees … you are very welcome to stay … the rest can feck off now!!

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

crackpipe debbie’s vile disgusting anti-white racism is just more of the same old puke we get from this nasty black racist beittch every damn day!!

you’re the sort of despicable black racist that every white american depises honeybunch!!

By Ashley

March 5, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

“Even Christ said that we would have the poor with us always…”

Unfortunately, Dusty uses Jesus’ words to rationalize complacency, materialism, selfishness and greed.

Cut my taxes and kick the bums off of Medicaid and PeachCare, right Dusty? After all, the poor will always be with us.

By Mullah Reece

March 5, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

The south is not for white’s anymore. Racest days are done. Move away!

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Well, Debbie,

That is an interesting story. I am glad that you have discovered that all white Southerners are not blatant racists!!!

But there is another discovery I hope you have made. There are criminals in every race, enough of them that we should be sensibly cautious. I don’t have to watch America’s Most Wanted to know that. I am sorry that you were indoctrinated with a one race indictman. Maybe I am wrong but I do try not to think that race or nationality is an indication of a criminal personality. Do you?

By harold

March 5, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

there certainly are some non-“ignorant, knuckle-dragging, red neck” people here

but unfortunlately the ignorant, knuckle-dragging, red neck people are still in charge!

for esample. check out the grinnin’ moon pie in chief.

what a hick!

By Carl

March 5, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

By Ashley

March 5, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

“Even Christ said that we would have the poor with us always…”

Unfortunately, Dusty uses Jesus’ words to rationalize complacency, materialism, selfishness and greed.

Ashley, “christians” like Dusty forget that Jesus was a liberal. He cast out money grubbers and spent alot of his time doing things like taking care of the poor. Jesus walked the walk. Dusty talks the talk. Just check out most of her political views. They don’t really jive with true christianity.

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

the ignorant, knuckle-dragging, red neck people are still in charge!

let’s hope they take your driving licence off you for life then harold … ooooopps … too late!!

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Hmm isn’t it amazing that the most avowed, illicit, homophobic, ignorant, pencil necked geek on this blog is not even a southener? It’s from jolly old england mate; but it chose to live in the south!

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

you’re a racist black turd crackpipe … your despicable hysterical racism about folks from Forsyth is utterly disgusting. Even more amusing and telling is that much of the GA 400 “corridor” is infested with yankkkees. I have been to that outlet mall numerous times and I’ve never seen any racism from anyone!!

several SOUTHERN black folks I now know pretty well from here dislike yankkkees too and uppity northern blacks!!

no one would “kill you and throw your racist body in the river” loveykins … no one cares - its just your racist paranoia!! and in the metro area you were and are far more likely to be a victim of black on black crime than white on black crime. put that in your racist crackpipe and smoke it!!

even your attempted insults are lame and utterly pathetic!! LMFAO at ya!!

By Southern Democrat

March 5, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You may also recall Christ saying, “To whom much is given, much is expected.” Or “Tis easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” Or “Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto Me.” Or “Forgive seven times seven hundred.” Or “Turn the other cheek.” Or the Beatitudes.

As I have said before, I am a Roman Catholic. My Church does all of the things you mentioned. My Church also adamantly opposed invading Iraq, just for your information (I’m sure it is “unpatriotic” in your warped mind).

What can Christians do more of? Hmmm… well, Christ chose to associate himself with the outcasts of society: w*******, lepers, and tax collectors to name a few, but many churches (mine included) choose the rhetoric of condemnation rather than acceptance and/or assistance. Too many of us, including myself, are content with throwing a check in the collection basket, volunteering here and there, and maybe not taking the time to shout down that racist or homophobic joke. Finally, as a Catholic, the suffering of the poor is supposed to be MY suffering. I fall far short of any of these goals. THESE are the things that Southern Christians (including myself) need to do.

By Mike

March 5, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

About a year or so ago Debbie, I had na affair with Andy (TFTT)as pitiful as that sounds. He is not homophobic, he is just very uncomfortable with his own sexuality. Sorry Andy. But it is hard for me to stomach your BS on this blog knowing what I know about you.

By Dickens

March 5, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Jacob Marley: I wear the chain I forged in life! I made it link by link and yard by yard! I gartered it on of my own free will and by my own free will, I wore it! In life, my spirit never rose beyond the limits of our money-changing holes!

Ebenezer: But it was only that you were a good man of business, Jacob!

Jacob Marley: Business! Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were all my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!

By ron

March 5, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

I’ve noticed a few things about Southerners.They eat grits,which I found was a good idea.When anything ceases to move,they barbeque it.Again a good idea.Southerners have access to moonshine.While this is not a bad idea,It’s not a real good idea either.Southerners drink a lot of iced tea.That’s a good idea.They go to lots of car races.That’s a noisy,dusty,hot idea.They have all you can eat catfish and hushpuppy places.That’s a hell of an idea.They have air-conditioned bars. That’s a good idea while you’re there,but it isn’t worth much after you leave.Being a Southerner isn’t a bad idea,except I live too far north to qualify,and that’s a bad idea.

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Dusty: I can’t say for sure, but I would think any northern black parent would caution their child who considers going to school in the south to be careful. Remember we’ve read history and poetry coming out of the south too. We’ve read things like “Strange Fruit”, (lynching), Emmit Till,(history), Birmingham bombing case, etc.

Remember, pre judging someone works on both sides — I think a lot of black people who left the south in the 50’s and 60’s and 70’s, and who haven’t been back since; still carry a lot of the old south in their viewpoints and pass these view points on to their children.

By getalife

March 5, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

The hate party hates welfare even for the troops.

Pathetic.

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

YAAAAAAAAAAAWN … so the resident leftist queer basher slithers out again … funny how its INVARIABLY liberals who unremittingly hurl homosexual abuse at conservatives … there’s something very queer about such BLATANTLY hypocritical leftist behaviour!! bet your queer pinko pink dressed friends in san fran sicko and virginia highlands would be very miffed at such horrid, naughty poof bashing!!

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

“Uppity Northern Blacks”? (snicker) People still used that phraseology? It must be something the truly uneducated still say.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Ashley and Carl,

Draw whatever conclusions you wish. Jesus was not a politician. The mission of Christ was to save ALL people from darkness and dispair, even those who hated him.

Maybe I don’t “jive” with true Christianity. Who does? Many are trying just as I am.

By Redneck Convert

March 5, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m just glad to see someone is telling the truth about the south. Us good, god-fearing Southren people is the salt of the earth. They try to make it sound like hating libruls and Those People and gays and poor people is bad. It ain’t. Its natural. All we want is to keep the money we make and don’t pay any of it in taxes to support the bums and people that made bad choices.

And I’m tired of seeing people throw off on Sonny. Calling him moon-pie face and all that stuff. We know what we want down here and if people don’t like it they can just move back north. I’m mighty proud we ain’t changed the way most of the country changed.

By Chuck

March 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

I would like to thank Curious Observer’s arrogant 10:12 post for showing us one of the many reasons why John Kerry didn’t get elected in 2004.

To Ohio Stater at 9:10, no hard feelings here if you are outbound on I75. Let everyone know when you Ohioans learn how to stay off Atlanta exits.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

I think my post went off before I finished. Oh well. Consider it incomplete if it comes up.

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Mike: My good friend Ben had an affair with It too. At the time, Ben thought that he was the only one in It’s life; I guess It’s just a sl*t going from man to man. Sorry.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

tooltime,

You’re not a native Southerner. You remind me of Steve Martin in the Jerk…I was born a poor black child… I really don’t think that any northerners need a Brit immigrant to welcome to them to another region of their own country (and yes, I know that you’re naturalized…I’m just saying).

As for the South, there a pluses and minuses just like everywhere. I was born and raised in the Midwest, where there is pretty bad racism and segregation in major cities such as Chicago and Milwaukee. The South has a different type where different groups know about each other, and even may share a common ancestor, but choose to live and play separately. Interracial dating and marriage is more taboo in the South than it is anywhere else in the country, but this is changing.

In its defense, the South was the first modern Western multiracial democracy and had to confront racism before most other regions after the Civil War. When MLK went to Chicago, he was met by fiercer mobs than anywhere in the South previously.

All in all, there has been a lot of progress and growth in the region, the people are nice, the weather is great, and the economy is strong; but it still has a ways to go in terms of integration.

By Disgusted Georgian

March 5, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

“Let everyone know when you Ohioans learn how to stay off Atlanta exits.”

Despicable. Chuck doesn’t speak for this Southerner, nor the ones I know.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Debbie,

Can you believe that tooltime said uppity northern blacks? Wow.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

@ 12:04 I meant to say that the South was the first modern Western society instead of democracy. Blacks couldn’t vote and almost everywhere charged a poll tax…very far from being a democracy.

By TJ

March 5, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Thomas Jefferson wrote in an 1816 letter to Samuel Kerchival : “Those seeking profits were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government. No other depositories of power have ever yet been found, which did not end in converting to their own profit the earnings of those committed to their charge.”

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,

You mentioned nothing that I didn’t already know and try to make part of my own personal faith. Well, I don’t agree on the “warped mind” part, but since you do not know me or what I do I just skip over your own prejudice. It seems to come from politics.

Some Catholics are a beloved part of my immediate family but I belong to a mainstream Protestant church, not Baptist. We desire peace but recognize the yearning for freedom of all people. My pastor has two children in the military. My father, husband and oldest son have served in the military. We have never believed in leaving people in cruel bondage or extermination nor do we want to lose our freedom. If that indicates a “warped mind”, then you are correct.

By non-knuckle-dragging minority

March 5, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

76.2%

By Elizabeth

March 5, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

I am a daughter of the South (born and raised in North Carolina, moved to Georgia at the ripe old age of 30). And I have to confess that the people and the politics of this great state leave me in a quandary. I catch myself saying quite a few times that, “This would never happen in my hometown.” It’s nothing personal. I suppose it’s the same as when Georgia natives look down on Alabama; then Alabama looks down on Mississppi…

By PB

March 5, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Mr. Guest implies that bigotry and racism are an exclusive phenomenon of the South. In the eary years of the Civil Rights movement there were race riots in a lot of major northern cities including Detroit, New York, and especially Boston. I guess blacks were not exactly enamored by there treatment in the north either.

If the definition of redneck is a backward bigoted and ignorant person then let me tell you, this is not an exclusive southern trait. They are all over this country. Just because you don’t use the “N” word doesn’t mean you arn’t just as prejudiced and hate filled as your alledged stereotyped Southerner.

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

You people love to exaggerate the reality of southern racism. The reason for that is because the media is predominately controlled by non southern whites. They don’t mind demonizing people who are not like them if everybody buys their movie or watches their show.

By dunwoody in denver

March 5, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

This is exactly the kind of b.s. that led me to leave ATL (born and raised, by the way…North Springs class of ‘97) and move to Denver 5 years ago. Just like ATL, no one is actually from here (most being from SoCal and Texas), but there is a WHOLE lot less animosity toward the newcomers here than there is toward the “Yankees” back home. The majority of complaints lean toward sprawl, traffic, and school overcrowding, unlike the cultural wars between the North and South.

When I moved here, the only inquiries I got were “How come you don’t have an accent?” (I’m from Atlanta, not the country) and “Why did you move?” (It’s too crowded, traffic sucks, I was sick of humidity). No one thought I lived in a trailer, had sex with my sister, and made moonshine; most intelligent people (of which a large number still do exist) realize that Atlanta is a very large American city, having hosted the Olympics and being the headquarters of CNN and Coca-Cola.

By SharonH

March 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

I am a native Georgian, born and raised here and quite honestly I wouldn’t live anywhere else. My family has lived here since before the Civil War when we were brought here by force. I’ve met and known some fine people of all races who make me proud of my Southern heritage, our culture and our way of life.

But let me assure, the South is a wasteland of ignorance and hatefulness. Does that mean the rest of the country is free of the same bigotry and downright mean-spiritedness that festers here? No. But the difference is that Southerners seem to revel in their smallness and try to justify it with the Bible and history. You need only look at the current Georgia legislature led by a governor who first sought office on the promise of restoring the racist confederate flag…….oh yes and at the AJC blogs to know the truth of what I’m saying.

By Concerned southerner

March 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

“Truth is we don’t much focus anymore whether we live up to or disprove the expectations of folks elsewhere…”

The sheer number of comments to your piece, Mr. Wooten, disproves your premise. Apparently many southerners do, in fact, worry about what the rest of the country thinks. Otherwise, they wouldn’t take the time to post here and defend living here. Methinks thou dost protest too much…

The fact is that Atlanta, theoretically representing “the new south,” is pretty far behind the times. Significant cities have public transportation and focus on how to improve their city. Atlanta simply worries about whether to erect a statue to some long-forgotten “hero.” Or they spend all their time renaming streets.

That’s why their laughing at southerners. Make no mistake about it.

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

wanker steve and crackpipe beitch …

cheers for the continuous magical deranged abuse … its truly much appreciated!

“uppity” is a SUPERBLY apposite adjective for such scumbags. it also sure made both of your ultra dumbarses bite like a mess of ticks on a rabid fleabitten co onhound!!

as for my not being a southerner - for racist turds like yourself - that’s just a commie creep ‘red herring’!

lecture me on race when black churches cease to exist and blacks welcome whites and everyone else into their colour blind crypts and knaves. black americans discriminate against blacks from other countries … ask black afriKans about their experiences and ask then why they rarely end up jolining american black churches!!

I also note that no one has challenged my factually unassailable detailed fair comment about loud mouthy self absorbed yankkkees.

northern yankkkee racism is at least as prevalent as any racism in the south … given the repugnant yankkkee infestation here in Dixie clearly northern racism has been shamefully transplanted in many places.

By doorknob

March 5, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

IF Sonny Purdue and Georgia’s road lobby have their way it’ll be a waste land of Asphalt roads and parking lots dotted with a few Applebees and JCPenny’s and maybe some payday advance shops. Is it worth mentioning that Georgia is still a recipiant state taking in more money than it contributes

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

SharonH,

You started off with a good display of intelligence, and slowly but surely you began to show your true “color”.

Did Purdue change the flag? No. So you can finally stop whining about that.

Which blogs are you refering to? The ones about naming streets after blacks who have contributed nothing to anyone but themselves, or the blogs about 70% out of wedlock birth rates in the black community?

By Nikita

March 5, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

I love the claim that racism is imagined or enhanced by a vast conspiracy with an axe to grind. But I am a southerner, and I will probably die one, and here’s what I personally have seen: 1. An ugly, racially-charged murder case — overturned in the late 90s due to “procedural irregularities,” meaning that the evidence was tampered with to implicate a black defendant rather than a white one. An innocent man was imprisoned for about a decade. Ringgold, GA. 2. A demonstration by the KKK, related to #1.
3. A variety of racist slogans on cars and t-shirts at saturday bluegrass in Tallulah Gorge, GA — which has very few nonwhite residents. 2004. 4. A demonstration by the KKK against illegal immigration. Ellijay, GA, 2006. 5. An op-ed by a KKK leader, also Ellijay, which claimed the Freedmen’s Bureau was “genocidal” and the KKK saved the south. Two letters in response. 2007.

Anyway, I’m not imagining it and I’m not an outsider. I’m simply a southerner who believes that we deserve better, and if we want respect we should get it by giving respect to our citizens, regardless of their color.

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth gave excellent examples of various forms of racism. We don’t discuss them because there’s no media fervor covering them. One more instance of racism is black on black. They call each other Ni,er I mean, the ‘N’ word more than anybody ever has.

By Realist

March 5, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Debbie @ 10:59: OK I chose to live in the South. I came to school here and I choose to stay. When I first got here, (Spellman)

You truly did not attend Spelman College. No Spelmanite would ever mis-spell Spelman. Shame on you and your lie.

My friend (A Morehouse man) pointed this out to me..hahahahaha. Debbie..you’re pitiful. Almost as bad as your friend Dusty.

By Southern Democrat

March 5, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

My grandfather, father, 6 uncles and an aunt served in the military. I completed two years of Air Force ROTC before washing out because of asthma. How is military service relevant to the Catholic Church’s stance on the invasion of Iraq?

Per your self-described belief, “We have never believed in leaving people in cruel bondage or extermination nor do we want to lose our freedom,” I fully expect you to currently be writing to your representatives seeking direct U.S. intervention in Darfur, Ethiopia-Somalia, the Acer Province of Indonesia, Guatemala, Tibet, and Saudi Arabia, where millions are suffering daily.

By Realist

March 5, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Lord Dummy,

As TFTT did give an example of blatant black bigotry (try that 3 time fast, his one mistake was with black Aficans and black churches. Africans, if Christian, are majority Catholic while majority of Black americans are Protestant. Go figure…

From the looks of orgs like NAACP and PUSH..the roster does not lack any African members either…they ALL are out for themselves.

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

DebbieCan’tSpell,

You dumb bit&h! You can’t even spell your own school? Fact is, you didn’t go there did you? This just goes to prove that a mind is a terrible thing to waste, especially a racially blinded leftwing idiotic mind.

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Realist,

Thanks for proving my and TFTT’s point.

Couldn’t have done it without you.

By Charles

March 5, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

By chance I met an old civil rights’ worker at a Piccadilly Restaurant in South Dekalb Mall. The year was 1985. We discussed politics many days there while eating lunch. His politics centered on integration and my politics was nationalism. I came to respect him as a person; but not his politics.

In one of our last discussions, he told me that the North has defeated the South again by sending many undesirable people from the North to the South. Too many of these transplants were responsible for the intolerable and indefensible relationships that individuals had one to the other in the North; now they are being sent south to mingle with us.

By the way, who was shot last night? That civil rights’ worker has gone to sleep with the elders. I can say that he was right in his observation. The North has defeated the South again.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

tooltime,

I didn’t “bite” at anything. Rather I merely pointed out a very ignorant, backward colloquialism that you used. I dare you to call a black person “uppity” to there face. In fact, I dare you to call a black person “uppity” using your real name instead of hiding behind a corny screen name like “time for the truth”. But you will never will because you’re quite the coward.

In regards to “blacks joining white churches”…are you even aware why there are “black” churches? Seriously, do you really think that Jim Crow was ancient history? I mean, people are moving on, but it takes some time. You can be white and be perfectly accepted at a black church.

Also, I know plenty of black Africans who have assimilated into the African American community. How do I know? Well, I’m black and I have a lot of African friends…even some that go to my church back home.

And your “loud mouthy self-absorbed yankees” assessment is not a fact but and opinion. I really don’t care if that’s how you feel.

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Realist: a)I doubt you have a friend at morehouse; b) if I was sure you weren’t your typical reality broken stalker, I’d give you my real name and you can look it up yourself; c) typos do happen, note some of your posts for any enquiries into that; d) are you SURE you have ANY friends, or is that just your imagination? e)reality sucks, huh?

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Nikita … must be a serious commie creep with a name like that … or maybe just an ageing forgotten Kremlin fathered ‘bastard’ from Kruschev … gedditt???

Its pathetically inadequate list of supposed racist/hate crimes is pretty small beer. Whilst any (deliberate) miscarriage of justice is regrettable/indefensible its a pretty thin list of supposed outrages.

well spotted Realist, the racist turd crackpipe is just yet another black racist blowhard, and a poorly educated one at that. We should drop it off in Forsyth county tonite at sunset and then secretly film the utter indifference to its sullen, uppity presence. I doubt crackpipe could even graduate - without racist quota, affirmative aktion/social promotion - from MacDonalds’ hamburger university!!

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Realist,

Good to see you’re still around. You are correct that no self-respecting Spelman grad would intentionally misspell the school’s name. Giving the benefit of the doubt, it’s probably just a typo (unheard of on this blog.)

Sharon D and Debbie, though you’ve been on the blog before, please understand that Andy and “Doom” are just trying to antagonize you into lengthy, time wasting responses. It’s your call, of course, but in my experience it’s usually best to ignore that stuff and try and stay on topic.

Ah yes, the topic. I’ve lived in all four corners of this country and visited several others. Without exception, I’ve encountered people capable of great kindness, and those equally capable of supreme cruelty. I honestly don’t think it’s a function North vs. South, but what you truly value.

The march on Selma was commemorated over this past weekend. While some of the white folks in the photos and newsreels during the civil rights movement were from the north, many were from the south.

Arkansas, West Virginia and Maryland were all southern states, but fought for the union in the Civil War (no jbmlaw, I don’t need a lecture on habeas corpus. You know as well as I that had MD truly wanted to join the confederacy, it would have (regardless of what happened to one german immigrant farmer who was afraid of labor competition.))

My point. There are good whites and bad ones. Same thing with blacks. Asians and latinos, too. The real issue is one with stereotyping. I don’t think Doom and Dusty are any more representative of white southerners than Lil’ Jon and Brian Nichols represent black ones.

That’s what “content of their character” was all about.

By Realist

March 5, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Lord Dummy,

I don’t think Truth realized you and he were teaming up on anything. He usually works alone on this blog when it comes to murdering the left and shooting down cartoon characters like yourself. If you choose to imitate your idea of a conservative or type meaningless hate, I’ll shoot you down.

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

OK now I get it! Realsh#t/Lord Dung/Time For A Tooth are all the same people!!! How interesting!!! You’re on these blogs talking to yourself every day. What do you call that again…..multiple personality disorder? Do you also get together on weekends and go f#ck yourself too? Probably……

Since I know that there is no intelligent life in TFTT’s little universe, I have decided, (did I spell that right Dung?), that “speaking” to “any of you” is a waste of good sanity.

Is Marcus another of your “Sybil” personalities too? Are you going to morph into one character at the end of the blogs and embrace them and shout that now you’re free? Which personality is the female?

By Realist

March 5, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Debbie,

I can give names of Alumni of Spelman as well…google is a great tool. Also..I think they would have a web page.

And no..my “homie” is a Morehouse grad..His son and my son play together daily.

BTW..1908, 1913, or 1920?

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

No, Markus is actually on a whole ‘nother level on this blog. Doom’s posts are statesmanlike in comparison.

No, Andy, Realist and Doom are three different people. It’s good in that at least one is posting at any given time, providing entertaining fodder for debate (or debasement, should you play their game.)

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoBit&h,

You’ve got some nerve accusing others of multiple IDs Goldie and Midori.

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Real$hit,

Now you’re defending TFTT. Hmmm,interesting. Make up your mind on what platform you stand on Gomer Pyle.

By Lord Doom

March 5, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Debbie,rarringt,

Is this a black thing?

By Atlanta native

March 5, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

What people in other areas of the country think of me and my region will not change my life one bit. I get very tired of the South being the whipping boy for the world’s ills. My heritage is my heritage — warts and all. Unless it’s yours, mind your own business.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Debbie,

Calm down a little. It’s only a political blog. It’s easy for tooltime to talk trash when he doesn’t use his real name and hides behind a screen name. I doubt that he would say any of that stuff to black folks in the real world.

It’s just funny how he thinks that someone is racist because of perceptions of an outlying county. I mean the perception of Forsyth being a racist county was well-known and well-founded up until 10-15 years ago. It’s a fact.

And then he slings abuse at Nikkita for talking about past racial incidents. What did she that was so offensive, tooltime?

The South is changing and things are getting better. I’m pretty optimistic about race relations in the South. Why aren’t you, tooltime?

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

wanker steve

I know a good number of black afriKans in and around the metro area. mostly west afriKans and folks from East afriKa Gambia, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, plus Rhodesia, Sud Afrika etc … plus some sub-saharan types. my wife works in the immigration biz - so she deals constantly with new immigrants and their spouses etc. the black american/church thang is something that most of them comment on in the office. blacks from the caribbean also often have contempt for black americans. obviously this is based on direct experience with immigrants and their experiences.

clearly one cant - and I don’t - say all black americans are bigots to their afriKan bruthas - but a good many are, based on the ones she encounters daily. they are after all just ordinary new immigrants with NO axe to grind.

many of the black afriKans my wife works with tell her that they often end up going to white churches where they are made welcome, because they are not made welcome at local black churches - or they start their own churches (denominational niceties not withstanding). this is based on 10 years of dealing with immigrants and their cases - not just a handful of anecdotes.

ask white southerners quietly how they feel about yankkkees - many will cite similar attitudes to mine, based on repeated experience, not just sterotypes … remember I came here as a legal alien with NO preconcieved picture of how things were … and have formed my own perceptions based SOLELY on what I see/hear/read.

By Nikita

March 5, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Oh, and there was also last summer when a raft guide who I hired felt the need to refer to the people who gave her kids special treatment at the Atlanta airport n’gras. And she wondered why her tip was anemic.

Truth, I don’t need to discuss with you anything that you’ve already failed to comprehend. Particularly since apparently you’re so desperate for ammo that you resort to making up origins for my screen name. If you had a valid argument, you wouldn’t need a cheap shot.

Know only that when folks wonder why people think the South is backward, it is incidents such as these that give them fodder. Fix the incidents and you will fix the perception.

By Curious Observer

March 5, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

I am delighted to learn from my fellow bloggers that Georgia is such a paragon of sophistication. BTW, I happened to be scanning some of the AJC headlines, to wit:

Bust yields bumper crop of pot farms in basements

Big stash of marijuana ‘sprouts’ in deli’s trash

Boy and two men indicted for murder [in a drug war]

Wrong-way driver was police officer

Little piece of legislation could make big headache for school systems [a bill would shift responsibility for funding of infrastructure from the state to the school systems]

Crackdown on dog fighting advances

And most encouraging, the usual stories about arrests for pedophilia, prostitution, and sex with animals were missing today.

How dare these northern states export their detestable practices to the urbane state of Georgia!

Nope! No rednecks here.

By Realist

March 5, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Lord Dumb,

Never attacked Truth. Just because I didn’t accept his argument about Africans and black churches doesn’t mean I’m attacking. You’re sounding like Dusty and her loyalty to Pres. Bush. Us true conservatives don’t have to be monolithic.

rarringt, welcome back. Don’t lump me in with ?Andy? or this Doom character. I’ve always been my own man on this blog. I’ve stooped low numerous of times in the past just to ruffle a few liberal hairs..its just so much fun and easy.

By WereIsWas

March 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

If its so much of a wasteland, why are the geographic locusts relocating here from the rust belt ?

In Lenox on Saturday I observed a bunch of youngsters walking out of a store complaining about how “these atlanta people don’t like us” refering to the store employees . It doesnt matter that all the parties involved were of a non-caucasiod, non-asian, non-hispanic ethnicity; but rather it always boils down to us vs them when you visit or relocate to another city/state/country.

I’ve lived across the globe and find it funny that some folks dont get it that THEY have to change instead of everyone else.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

tooltime,

Wow, despite a few tongue-in-cheek expressions you actually posted a civil argument at 2:02. I won’t argue with you about tension at times between African American and African/Carribean immigrants. In my experience, it hasn’t really been a problem. All groups tend to get along, especially in the northeast, as well as here in Atlanta. But yes, there are some who choose not to interact with African Americans.

As far as churches, as Realist stated, many Africans and Carribeans are usually Catholic or Episcopal due to who colonized wherever they came from. But even as more Africans become Evangelical, their form of worship at times differs from that of traditional African American churches. It doesn’t indicate animosity, it’s just a matter of preference.

And in regards to “yankees”, I’m sure there aren’t serious problems between northerners and southerners here in Atlanta. Yeah, there are differences that may ird others, but it’s all trivial regionalism. I have northern and southern friends and I haven’t detected any sort of tension between the groups.

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

superb, magical hissy fit crackpipe turd!!

can U puke up another very soon … and make sure beitch U keep the ebonics in the present tense!! otherwise you’ll confuse the hell out of our resident patronising snotty plonker rarringtonSNOOPDOG!!

PS … is your fat lard arse still bigger than Oprah’s would be after a month long binge at Church’s Chicken and Krispy Kreme?

PPS … Are you in the Bloods or the Crips?

By Realist

March 5, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Dissie Deb is busy looking up 1908, 1913, and 1920. Give her a few minutes to decide which one she wants be affiliated with. Google away Debbie..I’ll wait.

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

nikita …just another poor old leftist jobbie

my point, despite your witless defensive bollocks is STILL unanswered … your list of “outrages” was pretty small beer lovey!!

realist .. I can only base my comments on what I have actually heard directly from a number of afriKans and from the trouble and strife in her dealings with hundreds and hundreds of afriKans. Neither of us claim that these ordinary folks speak for all afriKan immigrants !!

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Now that would be an interesting topic, Jim. “Comparing and constrastic relations/perceptions by, about and between African-Americans and blacks from other countries.”

I’d love to see TFTT, Dusty, Van and Markus steal the thunder from some darn liberal academic type who bothers with fact gathering, and share their perspectives (unfettered by the stifling bounds of logic, reason, and factually objective, non-biased facts) on the cooperation/tension in our various communities.

After all, so many of your “thinking right” posters are reknowned experts on the subject matter.

heh, heh

p.s. Today’s big discovery - Andy’s married! I for one would love to talk with Mrs. Andy for 5 minutes. Her stories on life with him must be a hoot an’ a half.

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

contrastic = contrasting. Sorry, seeing that there’s zero tolerance for typos today. :^)

How’s life in AL, Realist?

By time for the truth

March 5, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

you actually posted a civil argument at 2:02.

bugger, sod it, damn and blast!! It bloody well wont happen again wanker steve!!

it isn’t just trivial regionalism … its heartfelt and frequently entrenched on both sides!! I tend to side with the southerners, based on what I see everyday … some southerners can be real arseholes though … as are most British Labour and Liberal voters!!

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

rarringt

Come on now man. Markus would just get all of his arguments about different black cultures from sites like Breitbart and Free Republic!

Maybe we’ll know when he makes his grand, BOLDED-CAPS ENTRANCE AROUND 5:30!!

By DebbieDoRight

March 5, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

I was somewhat calm. I was just angry because all this time I thought I was talking to twenty different people, but in essence I was communicating with the same a*******! I should’ve seen it coming a mile away — the fool even talks to himself every day and gives himself bl#wj#bs over his “witty repartee”. Since I don’t usually read Tooth’s blogs, I didn’t catch on soon enough. And now I was told that Andy/LuckoDull/TFTT are the same people!!!??!! I was talking to LD (like one human talks to another) on another blog; just to find out ive beenplayed allthis time!! Crap.

By Realist

March 5, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

rarringt,

Alabama is Alabama..Haven’t been back in months. Now the Tide football program on the other hand is doing just fine.

By Brad

March 5, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

It appears over the past several days some bloggers have had their identities stolen. Is that a common occurrence around here or any other AJC blogs? Is it left wingnuts doing this or what?

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

steve-o,

Good point. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Still, I wonder what he’d say….

(“Gilligan’s Island”-like dream sequence)

DAMN BLACK NATIONALIST LIBERAL HATE-MONGERING AMERICA BASHING EXTREMISTS such as steve-o and especially rarringt are an embarassment to their mongrel race and a prema facey affront to all good things white and southron.

I’m not a racist or anything, but I HATE THEM ALL! Except Beyonce. And Halle Berry. And Tiger Woods (who’s not really black anyway.) But as far as the rest….

(dream sequence ends. Markus wakes, muttering “there’s no place like dixie, there’s no place like dixie, there’s no….)

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

it isn’t just trivial regionalism … its heartfelt and frequently entrenched on both sides!! I tend to side with the southerners…

cos if you sided with the northerners your wife would put you out the house…

As for me, being someone who is the descendent of slaves and white Confederate veterans (a Southern story indeed), as well as being born and raised in the north, I have fun with the regionalism thing. If someone wants to take it seriously, then too bad for them. Life is too short.

By Nikita

March 5, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Please, truth. You think pulling out your list of “Snatch” catchphrases and insulting me is gonna win you points? I’ve seen “V for Vendetta” myself, so I can play that game as well.

Now, as I mentioned earlier you failed to read my posts. I’m not outraged, just embarassed to see people in my home area act so poorly raised, so backward, and so racist. And I’ve seen them do it a number of times, as documented.

I’m not angry, and didn’t say any of them were hate crimes. What I said is that they reflect poorly on the South. Which they do.

By Curious Observer

March 5, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

From a news item on the Geico cavemen getting a TV series:

The comedy will follow the cavemen as they “struggle with prejudice on a daily basis as they strive to live the lives of normal thirty-somethings in 2007 Atlanta.”

They’ll be astonished to discover how comparatively normal they are.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

rarringt

On that note I’m gone. But maybe I’ll be back around 5:30 to see the Markus Show.

The dream sequence is freaking hilarious! He would also give a pass to Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, LaShawn Barber, and Thomas Sowell. I’m sure Colin Powell lost his “exemption” status a while ago. LMAO!!

By Van

March 5, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

rarringt,

Well, not mush of an expert on those items, all I can tell you is, I work with all types of people, from my development staff in India and quiet a few international users, we all get alone. I work with Blacks, Asians, some Hispanic types. One of my office mates was a great guy, owned three rental properties downtown, oh and by the way he was black.

The only place I really felt and racial tension was Hawaii. I lived there for a year courtesy of Uncle Sam, I lived off base in Kialua. Being military, poor, and not a local, I was at the bottom of the food chain. At that time, if a Haole was involved in an auto accident with a local, the haole was always at fault.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

rarringt

On that note I’m gone. But maybe I’ll be back around 5:30 to see the Markus Show.

The dream sequence is freaking hilarious! He would also give a pass to Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, LaShawn Barber, and Thomas Sowell. I’m sure Colin Powell lost his “exemption” status a while ago. LMAO!!

By jbmlaw

March 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Taranto has the afternoon’s important news: “…(Y)ou can tell Coulter’s botched joke really was a botched joke by the light touch she used when the New York Times asked her about it:

“Ms. Coulter, asked for a reaction to the Republican criticism, said in an e-mail message: ‘C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.’”

By For the record ...

March 5, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

rarringt:

Maryland (along with with Missouri, Kentucky, and Delaware) was a border states. Slavery existed in all four, but they did not seceed from the Union. Citizens fought on both sides.

The mountainous counties that formed West Virginia “seceeded” from Confederate Virginia and joined the Union as a new state in 1863.

Arkansas was most definitely a member of the Confederacy, having seceeded in 1861. Some individuals may have fought for the Union (perhaps from the Ozarks?) but they were distinctly in the minority.

By For the record ....

March 5, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Oops … meant secede.

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

My mistake (confused with Kentucky).

Thanks for the correction, but it does not change my point: there were southerners then (as now) who understood that “all men are created equal” really applies to all men (and women, for that matter.)

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,

First you say your church, the Catholic Church, does not approve of this war. Then I say my church desires peace also but many there do not like the extermination, etc. of people. They do not turn against our efforts in Iraq. Some members of our church are in the military. We started by talking about war. The military is doing the fighting. That is the relationship of them to this war. (You don’t seem to know.)

Then you threw in that old line about countries that have their conflicts and Americans do nothing. We do have diplomatic conversations and efforts with many of the countries you mentioned. War is a last resort.

I don’t think you even know what our country is doing.

We have had many top officials of our country trying to work out a peace treaty in Sudan (Darfur) but the treaties are usually violated, often by the Sudanese and their militia. American agencies try desperately to get in all the food they can to Darfur.

We recently sent warplanes to Somalia to help the Ethiopians run the terrorists out of Somalia.

We keep up talks with Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinians, just to keep the Palestinians from killing each other and Israelis. We keep trying for a peace plan there.

We try to help Lebanon keep some independence from Syria.

We communicate well with the Saudis and we have bases on the Arabian peninsular. They are a key player in the Middle East.

Bush is going to South America, working to keep Pan American relationships from going communistic.

Tibet is like Burma, already entrenched and overcome.

Now tell me that the Bush Administration is doing NOTHING. You are so blinded by political hate that you don’t care what the USA is doing.

If you reply, please read more than one line. It might help a bit before you start the usual disparaging remarks.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

March 5, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Greetings from the Pope - here on a sunny afternoon in Almost Canada, far from the rednekkk stench of Georgia, with its Goobernor named Sonny, and its ex-guvnuhs Lester and Zell, with its Confederate flag, with its high incest rates and low SAT scores. We send a special hello/FU to the Woo-ten Klanners and Lucko Losers, chickenhawks all, the children of drunks, slatterns, and lynchmobbers.

Let’s face it - southrons still live like pigs - can you imagine how much worse off they’d be if the Yankees had lost? Ricket-ridden stumpbroke filthy superstitious ignoranuses y’all are.

Lord, send big bottles of bleach and soap to the filthy degenerate denizens of Dicksea, or better yet, send Saint William T. Sherman, this time with more guns and bigger fires, in Your Son’s Name we pray. Amen.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Pope rednecks,

Thank you for leaving our part of the country. I hope you can find remedies for your obvious problems. Good luck!

By Southern Democrat

March 5, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Actually, the only action being taken in Darfur is by the International Criminal Court (of which we are not a part) and Gov. Bill Richardson, who helped negotiate a 90 day cease fire last month.

We sent a warplane into Somalia and apparently killed the wrong people to then only have the Somalis and Ethiopians deny any cooperation with us.

We send billions of dollars to Egypt. We outsource our torture to Syria and Jordan (or are you unfamiliar with extraordinary rendition, Dusty, do YOU not know what our country is doing?)

We help Lebanon maintain its independence with Syria… by allowing Hizbollah to provide basic needs and an infrastructure, thereby crippling the moderate-Christian government… GOOD one. My Lebanese friends and my uncle from the Marine barracks in Beirut thank you, Dusty. Out of curiosity, why didn’t we take military action when we intercepted the weapons cache from Iran to Hizbollah in the Med? Seems to be supporting a terrorist organization a lot more than Saddam’s purported writing of checks, doesn’t it?

We communicate with the Saudis, who continue to allow Wahhabi schools in their nation, have one of the most gruesome human rights’ records, do not allow women any rights.

My problem with you, Dusty, is that you think I’m partisan. I’m not. As I’ve told you before, I’m a Southern Democrat most closely aligned to the philosophy of Sam Nunn or Sam Ervin. I just don’t tolerate incompetence and ignorance, particularly when it leads to bloodshed. The Bush Administration is long on all three. You have no idea what effective diplomacy and a strong foreign policy are. You think that stretching our military to its limits and doling out money to some “allies” in the Middle East and North Africa are making us safer???

By Markus

March 5, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

I see two infamous little girlie liberals, rrrrarringtogo! and Steve-(O) have been having more “fun” today. What happened liberal ladies? The Nazi thing didn’t stick yesterday and today it’s a racial thing? Don’t you little liberal girls have any original ideas? Nazi this, KKK that, racist this, hate-monger that. Blah blah blah. All because you intolerant liberal queefs don’t like my viewpoints. So much for diversity tolerance withing the Party Of The Permanently Miserable.

Well I’ll give you two liberal jackals credit. At least you didn’t jack my ID today. Still reeling from that massive BUST yesterday, eh? Mh-huh. Thought so. Posers.

By Markus

March 5, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

What? Nobody has mentioned this? First it was the Alsore acting like a southern preacher. Then it was John Effin’ Kerry acting like a man of God. Now it’s the Shrillary going for the “hallelujah!” theme. With a southern drawl and all!

I love watching these liberal bots. You couldn’t write a script this hillaryous. What’s not funny is that dumb@ssed voters believe this sick liberal BS.

http://www.ifilm.com/profile/breitbart/video/2829104

By rarringt

March 5, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

And thus, it begins…as I bow out.

Night, all. And congrats to Markus, who will surely take credit for cleansing this board of my liberal, pinko, commie, socialist, anti-american, pro-terrorist, rabble-rousing, BOLD CAPS TYPING, obama-osama apologizing, hitlary pandering, polemic stating…self.

By steve-o

March 5, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

rarringt

Just like clockwork, bruh!

MARKUS, DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT YOU’RE SO PREDICTABLE AS WELL AS EASY TO MANIPULATE??!!

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

By Markus

March 5, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Hmmm. McCain and Obama have struck a deal to accept campaign finances from John Q. Public if they get the nominations. Well I sure am glad all those taxpayer dollars spent on McCain-Feingold paid off.

I just love bi-partisanship. It makes me giddy all over.

By Markus

March 5, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Orfice,

I’ll let you know when you “manipulate” me right after you manipulate me to turning into a trashy ignoranus liberal like you. Hit me with your best shot, jackass!

By For the Record ...

March 5, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Rarringt, it’s been a pleasure reading your posts. Eloquent and erudite. Adult and dignified.

Please come again, if only to benefit the few of us who want to discuss politics in an intelligent, civilized manner.

By Markus

March 5, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Coulter should apologize for her Breck Boy comment right after Bill “freako nature” Moyers apologizes for saying it’s too bad Cheney didn’t die… and that goes for the other filth in Holly-woodhead as well.

By Markus

March 5, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Liberal ID poofer:

You fool nobody but yourself.

By Dusty

March 5, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,

I have never seen anyone nitpick the news like you do.

Sec. Rice visited Darfur in 2005 starting negotiations. In September of 2006 she came before the United Nations asking for swift action in Darfur. Did you miss all that?

One war plane in Somalia? There were 130 from an aircraft carrier and they bombed an al-Quieda outpost in Southern Somalia which removed most of them in that area.

Lebanon? The Marine barracks blew up many years ago. We did not “allow” Hezbollah to keep operating in Lebanon. After the war with Israel, we did not go in and kill all of Hezbollah that was left. You think we should have done that?

Yes, there are Fundamentalist Muslim schools in Saudi Arabia. There are some fundamentalist mosques in the UK but we don’t BOMB or disconnect with every country that has fundamentalist Muslims. We have a few of our own which we are trying to keep under surveilance but liberals keep complaining to make it even harder.

I don’t think you are thinking like Sam Nunn. He is working on nuclear proliferation. Perhaps you better read the news and see what is really going on in your very own country instead of trying to blindly run down our President.

Yes, I know what the press said about moving terrorist prisoners to countries of their origin or prisons that were not ours. That is under investigation and I do not know the outcome.