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DEL.ICIO.USLet vouchers help kids, not pain schools
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Lanetta Estrada is a special education teacher in the public school system of Miami-Dade County, Fla.
She came to Georgia last week to tell state legislators why they should pass the Georgia Special Needs Scholarship Act, which is being fought here by the alphabet-soup organizations that congregate to defend their public school turf.
She stood before a House education subcommittee as a teacher — and as the mother of a 10-year-old autistic son. Her story of his journey through public school, and of her growing awareness that despite her “utmost respect and admiration” for her fellow teachers, “my school was not the best place for my son.”
Like most special education parents, she devoted enormous time and effort to finding out what her son needed. Her research led her to the decision to remove her son, Lucas, from “the school I loved.” She applied for one of Florida’s McKay scholarships, the program on which the Georgia Special Needs Scholarship Act is patterned. “I was scared,” she said. “I loved my school. After all, this is my job. I prayed that this was the right decision.” She enrolled her son in a private school specializing in disabilities. “At this school, he is now reaching his full academic and emotional potential,” said Estrada.
“The bottom line is that the Florida McKay Scholarship program has been a blessing for me and my son and for 17,000 other children and families in Florida,” she said.
Estrada was one of a string of teachers, parents, alphabet-soup lobbyists and others who argued for and against bills sponsored in the Senate by state Sen. Eric Johnson (R-Savannah) and in the House by schoolteacher and state Rep. David Casas, (R-Lilburn). Casas and Johnson have different ideas about the extent to which private schools should be subject to state regulation in taking special needs students on scholarships or vouchers, whatever one prefers to call these and the HOPE stipends that currently go to private schools.
This effort, along with charter school legislation initiated by Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle and state Rep. Ed Setzler (R-Acworth) and a bill by state Rep. Earl Ehrhart (R-Powder Springs) to offer educational tax credits to individuals and corporations, marks this as the most reform-minded legislatures yet.
Nothing being offered is revolutionary in the sense that it is particularly daring. It’s patterned, by and large, on programs elsewhere. It’s noteworthy simply because Georgia has been so resistant to altering the status quo, except by the means endorsed by the traditional interests that dictate public policy — the unions and alphabet organizations representing public school groups. None of them are bad people or bad organizations. They are, like every other industry confronted by a changed marketplace, eager to limit and manage the competition — and for decades, they’ve done that.
The trick now — and it was evident in last week’s debate — is to avoid planting poison pills in the special needs scholarship act. On regulation, for example, the alphabet organizations know that the quickest way to eliminate the appeal of scholarships to potential private sector competitors is to package them with paperwork, with rules and regulations that make it too time-consuming and expensive to admit scholarship kids. It’s paper choice — existing on paper, but not in reality.
That was part of the problem with No Child Left Behind’s choice provisions, U.S. Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings acknowledged here earlier this month. Parents of poor children in persistently nonperforming public schools could go elsewhere. They had choice, but some systems made that information difficult for parents to access or understand. Choice, then, was chance.
As the House and Senate work together to advance reform, it is essential that choice and scholarships for parents of special needs children not become, or be seen as, an indirect way of regulating private schools. The intent should be to actually give parents options and to trust them to buy the education services they believe their child needs from any willing and able provider.
It’s up to the parents, not the government, to decide — just as Lanetta Estrada did — which approaches will best serve the needs of their children. The goal here is to empower parents, not to regulate the competition.
* Jim Wooten is associate editor of the editorial page. His column appears Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
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By jbmlaw
February 27, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. For those of us who favor vouchers for all – mostly, but not exclusively, conservatives - Jim’s arguments are mere common sense, a simple advocacy for freedom of choice. I will be interested in hearing from our friends – mostly leftists – who posit that vouchers would destroy public schools, and thus are too dangerous to even permit experimentation.
In all candor, I believe the normal “anti-voucher” arguments are valid, that choice would destroy the public schools over the long term; I believe that creative destruction is generally a good thing. While society arguably loses some of its character whenever a contemporary “buggy-whip” or “straight-razor” factory goes out of business, it is progress that makes the old ways untenable. Public schools are our contemporary “wringer-washers.”
By Mid-South Philosopher
February 27, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this
Good morning to all,
This particular area…special needs education…happens to be the one area where Jim and I agree that vouchers or, as the educational reformists would like to call them…scholarships… are appropriate. Of course, I would go a step further and equalize the other side of the proposition by NOT requiring ANY school to provide special needs services. Only those schools with the staff and the intellectual inclination would be required to compete for the special needs dollars.
The issue of special needs education aside, there is a fundamental matter involved in the notion of vouchers for public education.
The vast majority of parents in Georgia do not pay an amount in school taxes equal to or above the cost of educating one child let alone multiple children. The difference in the amount that parents pay and the actual cost of a child’s education is generated by the monies of other taxpayers of Georgia, many of whom have not had nor never will have children. No one sees a problem with that. A long time ago in the American public school experience we came to the conclusion that it was in society’s interest to contribute to the general education of the child population as a whole.
The difference for me and many others is that given the members of the society at-large are footing the bill, from where does this notion come that parents, who making use of this process, should have so much choice!?! If one is riding on society’s dime, one should not expect to call the turns.
I find it amusing that Jim and other conservatives…and I use the word suspiciously…will rail against parents who take advantage of the Earned Income Credit in the federal tax program, yet feel that those same parents should be encouraged to take advantage of your and my tax monies…via vouchers…to choose the educational environment of their children.
As long as we are going to have public schools, we should not have vouchers. Instead, we should demand legislators who are sober and possess the gonads to pass logical, rational, and appropriately financed legislation to make sure that every public school is able to meet proficiency standards. Second, under the leadership of a state school superintendent we need to demand a state department of education that is not a vassal to the large textbook publishing companies and which is capable of developing a reasonable process of implementing appropriate curriculum and effective instruction throughout the state. Third, we need local schools boards to have NOTHING to do with curriculum and instruction. Let them deal with keeping toilet tissue and soap in the restrooms…something they can understand! Honestly, have you ever taken a look at some of these clowns? Not all, of course, but too many!
Finally, we need to expect administrators to truly supervise teachers and to deal with those who are not effective. Of course, that too requires a rather large endowment of courage…a commodity society has milked from too many of our public school administrators. Are we going to do any of these things? Are you kidding!?! Public education is in the hands of politicians. We are going to do whatever will generate the most support for the politicians in power at the moment. After all we have to keep up the ruling class.
By Redneck Convert
February 27, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this
Well, what with Dusty and Van making a date for the shooting range and Markus trying to recover from his little habit, the world has gone to heck in a handbasket.
Anyway, this voucher stuff don’t interest me none. If they are morons they shouldn’t be going to no school. You can call them “special needs students” but they are just morons. It was too hard for me to make it out of 5th grade, what with multiplying tables and all, and I don’t see how these morons are suppose to make it thru on a voucher. They need to be out sweeping floors or something. Anyway, I never made it out of the 5th grade and it never hurt me none. I’m still able to see to it that good conservatives get elected.
Well, I got to make my beer run today. All I got to say to Van is don’t let Sister Dusty get you in one of them leglocks after you leave the all you can eat place Sunday. Take it from me, she acts all proper and ladylike but she can be mighty mean. And tell Markus he can join the Revrend Jim Bob Buice in state prison for fooling around with them boys if he don’t watch out. We still ain’t got a new preacher down at the Church of Holiness.
By JohnD
February 27, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
I missed yesterday’s give and take on the jobs issue but do any of you remember the words of that honorable leader of the Democrats, Bill Campbell, who said government was a jobs program for black youth? At least he told you why he had a bloated bureaucracy.
Campbell also had 125 discretionary employees working for him who had no job descriptions or regular duties.
I would like to hear a liberal defend his comments and practices. You can probably assume the same holds true for the administration of Shirley Franklin although I do not know for sure.
By Janine
February 27, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. My first inclination is to agree with Mr. W. about vouchers for special needs students. However, Mid South articulately describes the morass that we enter when we scrutinize the voucher issue. My objection is Mid South’s assertion that Public education is in the hands of politicians. * It is now so entangled both state and national politics that I fear that vouchers will not only destroy the public school system but also our presently well functioning private schools. TAke a look at the *Get Schooled blog yesterday. There was quite a lively discussion on this topic.
By Southern Democrat
February 27, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
I could not agree more with the central thrust of Wooten’s column today. As a former teacher, I can tell you (to the 0.000001% of you that don’t know this already) that special education is not helping students with special needs, it is a massive drain on our educational resources, and it is the quintissential example of bureaucratic paper-pushing to give the illusion of progress. One concrete example is that a “regular” teacher is required to sit in on Individualized Education Plan (IEP) annual meetings. So, I would sacrifice part of my planning period to sit with a kid and parent I did not know and try to discuss the kid’s future… it was painful because (usually) the parent wanted so desperately to help his or her child and all I was doing was checking boxes because I had no clue about the kid’s background or potential.
I’m sure most of us have heard people say, “It takes a special kind to work with children or the elderly.” Well, it takes an even more special kind to work with special needs students. Georiga already has programs in place to pay for M. Ed.’s for Spec. Ed. teachers… why can’t we give the target children that same opportunity?
By JohnD
February 27, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
“Special Needs”! What else can be said about the problem. The children have special needs and the public schools do a poor job of providing for them. The money is better spent in the form of vouchers and the public system is relieved of a burden for which the schools are unprepared.
There are two ways to do things - the smart way and the way you have always done them. The education unions and the left are stuck in the ways of the past.
By Brian Curtis
February 27, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Wooten: Try some paragraph breaks, willya?
Anyway, here’s the “obligatory” protest against vouchers: Any such program requires admitting that some schools are better than others, so certain individual with enough resources should be able to abandon them and move to better ones.
This is incompatible with the goal of public education, which is to provide a quality education to ALL students. Sure, as a parent you only care about your kid; but as a taxpayer, I care about ALL of them, and I want every kid to have the same educational opportunities as yours—no matter how much money his or her parents have.
Of course, if private schools really want to accept public funds (in the form of vouchers), they can—just as soon as they agree to be publicly regulated and accountable like anything else that receives taxpayer funds. Somehow I’m betting they won’t want to pay that particular price.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
DEFINITIVE PROOF that the obese deranged embittered lying eco whacko nutter alBore - gloriously beaten by Bush - and one time unrepentant TN slumlord is a giant energy hogging hypocrite.
and the eco whacko leftie scum won’t condemn him for it!!! typical leftie liars and cowards!!
POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER ‘TRUTH’ Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET
Nashville Electric Service/Gore House
2006
High 22619 kWh Aug – Sept Low 12541 kWh Jan - Feb Average: 18,414 kWh per month
2005
High 20532 Sept - October Low 12955 Feb - March Average: 16,200 kWh per month
Bill amounts
2006 – $895.60 (low) $1738.52 (high) $1359 (average) 2005 – $853.91 (low) $1461 (high)
Nashville Gas Company
Main House 2006 – $990(high) $170 (low) $536 (average) 2005 – $1080 (high) $200 (low) $640 (average)
Guest House/Pool House
2006 – $820 (high) $70 (low) $544 (average) 2005 – $1025 (high) $25 (low) $525 (average)
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization, issued a press release late Monday:
Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.
Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.
The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.
Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.
Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.
Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.
“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.
In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.
For Further Information, Contact: Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431 editor@tennesseepolicy.org
By Mid-South Philosopher
February 27, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
John D,
I agree completely. That is why Jim and I agree on vouchers …scholarship…for these youngsters.
But, if public schools are doing such a poor job…which they are…why don’t we fix public schools!?!
The answer in one word POLITICIANS the vast majority of which ought to be receiving special needs services themselves
And the notion of education unions in Georgia…what a joke.
By DebbieDoRight
February 27, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
Of course, if private schools really want to accept public funds (in the form of vouchers), they can—just as soon as they agree to be publicly regulated and accountable like anything else that receives taxpayer funds. Somehow I’m betting they won’t want to pay that particular price
Well said.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
Watching the racist bigot Sharptongue on O’Reilly last night was briefly quite magic entertainment. Just knowing the reason for his appearance was enough to make one smirk a lot. As usual Sharptongue had NOTHING of any note or worth to say on the subject he was booked for. Just the historical fact of the age old S Carolina purchase was all the now utterly redundant old news newsworthiness of this highly amusing but now completely stale story.
This Thurmond thang is simply yet another way for Sharptongue to try to get wholly undeserved attention which this thuggish micky mouse so called reverend is going to exploit like a hideously ugly ageing demented racist/bigoted self publicising black Paris Hilton.
By Janine
February 27, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
JohnD, Please be reminded…There are NO TEACHERS’Unions in GA!!! THese unions are only found in states that are ranked way above Ga on the published lists of effective schools. Those states have teachers’ reps negotiating [successfully] for everything from salaries to hours to programs to curriculum to dismissal procdures to class size to disciplinary policies to more and more. In GA, there are 3 organizations that are commonly referred to as teachers’ unions: PAGE, GAE, and MACE. THey are not unions. Teachers and administrators join the first 2 because they provide liability insurance. MACE tries to stand up for teachers and I don’t think it allows administrators to be members. However, though they sometimes get some media attention for their picketing and other activities,they have little influence.
By jm
February 27, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
Simple question. Are you willing to pay higher taxes to get vouchers? The experiment in Milwaukee that jbmlaw has cited in the past has resulted in higher property taxes. Not sure if there is a one to one corelation but a lot of school costs are fixed.
By Mid-South Philosopher
February 27, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
I know you guys are tired of my radical comments concerning education… and probably everything else…but I have one more today and I will shut-up (for today).
How about we see just how smart we really are?
I challenge Governor Pedue, Lt. Governor Cagle, State School Superintendent Kathy Cox, House Speaker Richardson, G.A.E. President Richard J. (Jeff)Hubbard,and PAGE President Dr. Anna Brown to take the spring assessment of the Georgia High School Graduation Tests and publicly post their scores.
If the GHSGT is valid and if it measures what a graduate of public schools in Georgia should know, then certainly the top leaders of education in our state should be able to blow the lid off it.
Do I think these folks will accept my challenge?
Sure, just after the Jewish Defence League establishes the Yassir Arafat Appreciation Award.
By Janine
February 27, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
MidSouth Some of my colleagues and I challenged the top dogs in the Dept. of Ed. and the state house and senate committees on Ed to take the SAT and the 8th grade CRCT and post their scores. Never even got a response!!!
By Janine
February 27, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
Be clear on this fact: Teachers in Ga. have absolutely NO POWER> Politicians in GA, whether in the legislature or the Dept. of ED. or in the administrative offices or on the school boards make all decisions about education. If teachers in each school[I say “each” beacause the needs of the students are quite different in each school ] were allowed to make decisions about the education of our children we would not be in monumental, chaotic mess . Even though as in all professions there are some teachers who are ineffective, those are far outnumbered by the ones who are dedicated, educated, motivated, qualified, and effective .
By Curious Observer
February 27, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Regular schools are ill-equipped to accommodate special needs students, but it is doubtful that private schools are either. It would never occur to this Republican legislature to create public schools tailored to the needs of these students, but mention the word voucher and proposals come out of the woodwork.
In my college teaching career, I have never been impressed with graduates of private schools. The ones I encountered formed the bulk of those needing remedial English, remedial reading, and remedial mathematics—even those graduates of so-called prestigious private schools in the Atlanta area. Private schools don’t have to be accountable to anyone but the parents of the pupils, and those parents are perfectly satisfied if little Johnny and Janie make high grades, regardless of the mediocrity that those grades hide. Once Johnny and Janie receive remedial placement in colleges, those parents are shocked. They blame the college or the placement tests, rather than looking at the source of the problem.
I have no reason to believe that any private school will do a better job of educating special needs students than the public schools are doing now. But the right-wingers will continue their cries of “choice,” as though a choice between private and public schools will make a difference. It won’t.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this
can someone pleeeeeees put some duct tape on “time for the truth’s” mouth. Redneck convert, I’m sure that you have some in the truck. The rambelings of a crazy person don’t inspire thoughtful discussion.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
Good point Mid-South Philosopher!!
Some students (who are very smart) just don’t test well. Why punish a student who has worked hard and played by the rules, and compleated all the required coursework, just because they don’t test well.
By jm
February 27, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Janine@9:46 - Would you be willing to give them at least one month prep time? I know for a fact i would score worse on the SAT today than I did 25+ years ago because it requires skills I have not used in almost 20 years.
By @@
February 27, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
Jim:
Hey mahn, are you making melodies with Ziggy down in thee islands? All things are possible…
On to the topic. I’m all for the special education scholarship.
Why? It benefits all concerned. It relieves the public schools of the cumbersome responsibilities and offers the special needs students what they are in desperate need of…individualized and structured education.
I did my student teaching in government funded schools where most of my time was spent on paperwork, shuffling students for inclusion, and meeting credit hour requirements for technical support classes. Very little time spent on impacting the student’s progress.
Private school for 12 years. Administration deals with all things administrative, leaving me to work in a three to one teaching environment, while bringing eager parents on board with the implemented and individualized education of their child.
I could certainly make more money in public school, but then I wouldn’t be able to accomplish what I set out to do when I entered the field. And that is?
To have a profound, and enduring effect on my students and their future.
For socialization purposes, I would like to see “typical” children somehow incorporated into the private school setting. Though we’ve done it, the kids brought in aren’t always age appropriate for our students.
It’s just a little kink, that in my opinion, could be resolved.
All things are possible…..
Now I’ve got to go check in at ml’s. Some “liberal” there referred to one of my students as “a retarded kid” yesterday, I’m determined to educate the little bugger.
By Ronnie B
February 27, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Same argument for vouchers, different angle.
Voucher = $3,700 (est.). Per Pupil funding = $9,000 (est.) Who has the financial means to make up the difference? Those who need the money the least, that’s who. The rest would be stuck with meaningless vouchers and meaningless prospects for education.
The pro-voucher folks already know this. And they don’t really care.
Education works best, when it works for ALL children. Not just the preferred children.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
@jackassmongrel
Inbred rednekkk is a congenital RACIST leftist moron … its real funny to see the kind of pinko scum you turn to for “help”. I note your wholly unsurprising “duct tape” fetish … you’re not that disgusting mexican type illegal immigrant who kidnapped that young lad in FL a few days ago are you?
deal with the substantive facts/fair commentary I posted about the deranged eco whacko alBOre and the ignorant racial spoils racist Sharptongue!!
By Mara
February 27, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
what’s a “pain school”? Never heard the term before…
By Janine
February 27, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
jm@10:07 I would be willing to give them prep time for the SAT math…OR I would be willing to have them skip the math and just take the reading portion unprepped. I do not think most would post an average score. On the CRCT, I don’t think prep time should be necessary..It is geared to the lowest possible denominator and..after all, it would be an 8th grade test…Eighth grade REading, Math, Language Arts, Social Studies should not confound those people.
By Redneck Convert
February 27, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Well, I see they let that wacko TFTT out again and some guy wants me to waist good duct tape on his mouth. Might as well get used to the raving. TFTT never needed a reason to rave and he ain’t going to stop now. Right now his mind is stuck in 2nd gear on the two Als. What’s scary for me is this guy is out there amongst us and he probly don’t look no diffrent from everybody else till he pulls out a AK-47 and starts blasting away. Which is why I want the folks at the state house to pass that law letting me carry a gun with me in the truck real quick. If he finally blows up I want there to be one real dead Englishman if he does it around me. We would all be better off and I would even pay for the funral. If it don’t cost too much.
By Dennis
February 27, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
I’ve stated to you before, Mr. Wooten, to show where public education has ever been overly funded, or for that matter, even adequately funded.
There is absolutely no reason why “special needs” can’t be met within the public schools, IF, we weren’t too damned lazy to fund the needs of public schools.
Instead, there is always this continual hunt by “special interest” groups to take the cheapest way out.
And everybody sees the price we’re paying for it, too.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By jbmlaw
February 27, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
Our friend Brian Curtis, @ 9:01, phrases well the leftist perspective: “if private schools really want to accept public funds (in the form of vouchers), they can—just as soon as they agree to be publicly regulated and accountable like anything else that receives taxpayer funds. Somehow I’m betting they won’t want to pay that particular price.”
Indeed, that is the socialist strategy to diminish the performance of the private sector, and bring it down to the level of the government – regulate it to death. Every regulation is the equivalent of imposition of a tax, in that it raises the costs of doing business. Jim argues that the “regulation” should imposed by the market, parents responding to the performance of the schools. No bureaucrats can possibly design a more effective oversight, but you can rest assured they will attempt to craft a crippling set of rules.
Dear jm @ 9:26, Dekalb County taxes are higher this year, perhaps due to the absence of vouchers? You are correct about absence of correlation in your argument, as you acknowledged in your post, as well as in my first line here. A better measure would be comparison of the costs of educating government school students vs. the amount of vouchers. A better question than yours may be, “Are you willing to pay less in property taxes on adoption of vouchers?”
Dear Curious @ 9:58, as one who enjoys opportunity to supervise people who investigate and present findings in a professional setting, I am more impressed with skills of home-schooled and private school students than those saddled with government schools. I don’t blame the government school kids – they just never had a better opportunity.
Well-argued, Ronnie B @ 10:18.
By Brian Curtis
February 27, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
JBM: And yet, they’re the ones begging for public money without public accountability. Are you with them in this?
Private schools can do as they please, as long as they stay out of my pocket. I would think a free-market champion like yourself would be on board with that requirement.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
WOW … a red (as in snivelling commie creep) letter day … my first official death threat/wish from the incestuous racist scumsucking Inbred Rednekkk!!
JOLLY WELL DONE indeed INBRED!!
And to think my tax dollars paid for this cretin’s dead beat scabies ridden pappy to have half a dozen court ordered vasectomies!! Too bloody late, the infamous abortion bucket escapee Inbred has now slithered in and out of S. Fulton Co skools after being expelled from every skool in Cobb Co with its kool aid ritalin flavoured hippety hop suppositories supposedly duct taped in place each morning for that white knuckle ride on the skool bus for mutant NAMBLA wannabes.
Inbred’s hateful glib racism against blacks and us Brits is hugely amusing … keep puking up your whoralicious mother’s bile Inbred … makes you look just like the yankkkee bedwetting marxist maggot you surely is!!
By Janine
February 27, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw..RE:*Indeed, that is the socialist strategy to diminish the performance of the private sector, and bring it down to the level of the government – regulate it to death *Though I agree with you much of the time..I don’t think I can here..Regulations come from both sides of the aisle….I taught in private school and public school for many years. Believe me,after watching the public schools’ struggle with Bush’s UNFUNDED NCLB requirements , I can’t imagine any private school wanting to participate in that nightmare. [I know that even the Dem’s voted for it}.. I do agree about the Home Schooled students, though…The ones that entered my class after homeschooling were, without exception, fabulous….socially , emotionally, and academically.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
Your right redneck, duct tape probably wouldn’t hold that black hole shut.
as for TFTT… if you spent as much time presenting your argument as you did calling people names(the refuge of the weak minded), then maybe I would listen to your rantings.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
I TOLD YOU SO … I TOLD YOU SO!!
Even the hideously lefty AP couldn’t hide the FACT PACKED truth today!!
Anyone who’s been unfortunate to encounter snotty 20 something spoiled, unsurprisingly dim liberal brats who’ve graduated from some micky mouse college/course can instantly relate to this long overdue missive!!
Study: College Students More Narcissistic
Today’s college students are more narcissistic and self-centered than their predecessors, according to a comprehensive new study by five psychologists who worry that the trend could be harmful to personal relationships and American society.
PREACH ON SISTA … PREACH ON!!
“We need to stop endlessly repeating ‘You’re special’ and having children repeat that back,” said the study’s lead author, Professor Jean Twenge of San Diego State University. “Kids are self-centered enough already.”
Twenge and her colleagues, in findings to be presented at a workshop Tuesday in San Diego on the generation gap, examined the responses of 16,475 college students nationwide who completed an evaluation called the Narcissistic Personality Inventory between 1982 and 2006.
The standardized inventory, known as the NPI, asks for responses to such statements as “If I ruled the world, it would be a better place,” “I think I am a special person” and “I can live my life any way I want to.”
The researchers describe their study as the largest ever of its type and say students’ NPI scores have risen steadily since the current test was introduced in 1982. By 2006, they said, two-thirds of the students had above-average scores, 30 percent more than in 1982.
Narcissism can have benefits, said study co-author W. Keith Campbell of the University of Georgia, suggesting it could be useful in meeting new people “or auditioning on ‘American Idol.’”
“Unfortunately, narcissism can also have very negative consequences for society, including the breakdown of close relationships with others,” he said.
The study asserts that narcissists “are more likely to have romantic relationships that are short-lived, at risk for infidelity, lack emotional warmth, and to exhibit game-playing, dishonesty, and over-controlling and violent behaviors.”
Twenge, the author of “Generation Me: Why Today’s Young Americans Are More Confident, Assertive, Entitled — and More Miserable Than Ever Before,” said narcissists tend to lack empathy, react aggressively to criticism and favor self-promotion over helping others.
The researchers traced the phenomenon back to what they called the “self-esteem movement” that emerged in the 1980s, asserting that the effort to build self-confidence had gone too far.
As an example, Twenge cited a song commonly sung to the tune of “Frere Jacques” in preschool: “I am special, I am special. Look at me.”
“Current technology fuels the increase in narcissism,” Twenge said. “By its very name, MySpace encourages attention-seeking, as does YouTube.”
Some analysts have commended today’s young people for increased commitment to volunteer work. But Twenge viewed even this phenomenon skeptically, noting that many high schools require community service and many youths feel pressure to list such endeavors on college applications.
Campbell said the narcissism upsurge seemed so pronounced that he was unsure if there were obvious remedies.
“Permissiveness seems to be a component,” he said. “A potential antidote would be more authoritative parenting. Less indulgence might be called for.”
The new report follows a study released by UCLA last month which found that nearly three-quarters of the freshmen it surveyed thought it was important to be “very well-off financially.” That compared with 62.5 percent who said the same in 1980 and 42 percent in 1966.
Yet students, while acknowledging some legitimacy to such findings, don’t necessarily accept negative generalizations about their generation.
Hanady Kader, a University of Washington senior, said she worked unpaid last summer helping resettle refugees and considers many of her peers to be civic-minded. But she is dismayed by the competitiveness of some students who seem prematurely focused on career status.
“We’re encouraged a lot to be individuals and go out there and do what you want, and nobody should stand in your way,” Kader said. “I can see goals and ambitions getting in the way of other things like relationships.”
Kari Dalane, a University of Vermont sophomore, says most of her contemporaries are politically active and not overly self-centered.
“People are worried about themselves — but in the sense of where are they’re going to find a place in the world,” she said. “People want to look their best, have a good time, but it doesn’t mean they’re not concerned about the rest of the world.”
Besides, some of the responses on the narcissism test might not be worrisome, Dalane said. “It would be more depressing if people answered, ‘No, I’m not special.’”
By Jack
February 27, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
A Dog by any other name….
By Dr.Doom
February 27, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
I’m sure glad Ni,er,Black History Month is ending. Maybe now we can focus on some real accomplishments by real Americans.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
@ wankerjackass
I NEVER call folks names on here … describing liberals and racist demagoguing blacks like Sharptongue etc is simply fair, incisive comment. You must be some kind of obsessive ‘auditory’ twonk as you keep “talking” about “listening” on a cyber forum which is wholly visual!!
By Peyton Walters
February 27, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
jacksonwolf, the only thing tftt does more than calling people names is rogering the remains of J. Edgar Hoover, which she calls Big Daddy. That and drooling.
By Dr.Doom
February 27, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
Peyton Walters,
How would a animal screwing homosexual like you know what tftt does. Get lost loser!!!!
By Peyton Walters
February 27, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
Though she is considering a late legal play for Anna Nicole’s remains because she is feeling the need to take a lesbian turn.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
jacksonwolf, the only thing tftt does more than calling people names is rogering the remains of J. Edgar Hoover, which she calls Big Daddy. That and drooling.
HUGE I HATE LEFTIE SCUM SMIRK
I see our resident transexual lobotomised parrot is back, puking up its dire, anally repetitive transexual fetish fantasies and projecting them onto its conservtaive betters.
By Peyton Walters
February 27, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
Fortunately for tftt this is a cyber forum, or some of the victims of “descriptions” might give her an unpleasant tactile experience.
By Peyton Walters
February 27, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
“Dr. Doom” is the screen name for J. Edgar Hoover’s remains. Peace, out. Homeboy.
By Dr.Doom
February 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
Bye Ni$$er.
By Peyton Walters
February 27, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
Well, except for this.
What is a “conservtaive better?” Is it spelling that makes you superior?
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
after being yet again verbally slaughtered by its conservative betters the resident anal obsessive leftie turd resorts to anally pedantic empty sneers about typos.
LETS KILL ALL LEFTIES TODAY
This selfless, long overdue cull would stop global whining, most noise and visual pollution and most non-industrial/vehicle air pollution.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
@ peyton wankers
Your glib intellectually dishonest question is either desperately disingenuous or woefully ignorant. Goading pinko scum like you is a jolly fortunate privilege that yours truly takes full advantage of on a daily basis with my SUPERIOR factual commentary.
I will generously do you a favor and answer your woefully ignorant question. Yours truly is a CONSERVATIVE BETTER because yours truly wanks better. Watch how I vaingloriously wank myself whilst gently goading marxist afterbirth with my exhibitionist twist and shout method!!
twist…pull…twist…AFTERBIRTH LEFTISTS…pull…twist…PINKO SCUM…pull…ALMOST…twist…pull…AAAAAAHHHH!!
HUGE i’ve just wanked myself whilst gleefully and gently goading leftist pond scum SMIRK!!
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
How quaint … the art of effortlessly goading the resident anal obsessive stalker is not dead yet … but watching it spend hours of its worthless pathetically inadequate life devoted to slavishly and sullenly replicating my distinctive style/persona on here is somewhat slightly amusing.
I still GOT THE POWER!!
I still GOT THE POWER!!
By Dr.Doom
February 27, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
You need to check out Luckovich’s blog. That’s where the action is. There’s a real sick liberal on the loose over there.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
Our resident anal obsessive if stalker slithers onto this blog after I’ve effortlessly goaded this pathetic turd into his unhinged rant @ 12.48!!
Sad little (r)unts like this tosser continuously stumble and fail miserably like their hopeless hero sKerry in 2004!! My factually honest commentary about the racist Sharptongue and yours truly taking great pleasure in the glorious revelation of the Thurmond family’s property records is sure to trigger more unhinged hissy fits from our resident leftist vermin!! Now if only we can trace the racist Shirley Franklin’s lineage to the mullato slave w******* of Sonny Perdue’s great grandpappy….
HUGE IT’S FABULOUSLY EASY TO GOAD LEFTIST SCUM SMIRK!!
By jbmlaw
February 27, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Dear Brian @ 11:16, I mostly agree with your argument, at least on a theoretical basis. I would add to your note, “Government schools can do as they please, as long as they stay out of my pocket.” So long as we embrace a social obligation to fund education for all, I would still be inclined to simply distribute a voucher rather than require the government institutions. The best analogy I can suggest is, “ADF monies should be given to the mothers for their purchases,” rather than require all to come to a government facility for their meals.
Dear Janine @ 11:29, you validly reopen an old wound for me – the 2001 education bill. You are generally correct that regulations come from both sides of the aisle, but I think our leftist friends offer those with more gusto.
Dear TFTT @ 11:49, I don’t dispute any of the article, but to apply the principles a little closer to home, what motivates one to write arguments on a blog?
By Barb
February 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
Oh my. A great discussion has rapidly deteriorated. I was really enjoying today’s posts (and learning a few things) until about 11:30 or so. That’s a shame.
By Peyton Walters
February 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
That was a different stalker lady. And my hat’s off to him/her. Had your slobbering-fauxanglophile-pedophile drivel pegged.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
OK so we have a bass-ackwards sister f@cker(Dr. Doo) and a “Special needs case” from a country that doesn’t have the BALLS to finish a fight(TFTT) what’s next, frogs and locusts?
TFTT- you do nothing BUT lob juvinile school-yard names at people. Your smug self-righteousness dosen’t help your cause, it hurts it. So keep it up, please.
as for Dr. Doo- you must be some of that afterbirth that TFTT was talking about
By Dr.Doom
February 27, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
jackoffson,
Doom was just about to deliver one of the most vile responses ever on this blog, but I just remembered my promise to JimWooten about keeping it down some. So adios, blackos!
By Mara
February 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
again…what exactly is a “pain school” and how are they supposed to help kids more than vouchers would? I don’t get it…
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
adios……..sounds mexican to me, are you an illegal imigrant. If you are you should crawl back under the rock that you squirted out of.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
Sadly once in a while the media gets it right and brings us a story about an ordinary kid whose quiet, unassuming maturity and gritty stellar courage transcends all the petty politics of the likes of Iraq and the petty, relatively inconsequential hassles of everyday life. This is such a story. For every ‘Josie’ we encounter there are numerous other kids who equally tragically and equally anonymously endure similar fates who we never hear of.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?inarticleid=438839&inpageid=1770
By Van
February 27, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw ,
Part of your post brought to mind, just where is it stated that Congress has an interest in education? It is not defined in Article 1 Section 8. And according to the 10th Amendment it is solely a states issue.
Can someone explain where Congress gets its authority to meddle in education?
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
@ wankerjackass
your own poxy piffling bollocks is as execrably inadequate and hateful as any of the several sick child molesting leftists on here.
dr doom
I never bother with the treasonous cartoonists blog. The leftists on there are the best argument for carefully targeted eugenics, this side of the DNC/moveon.org filth.
jbm
Doubtless everyone has their own motivation for posting. Mine is simply to wind up hateful abysmally stupid/bilious lefties with facts/logic/fair comment and some choice, irrefutable, apposite descriptions and have some fun doing it.
getting the likes of rednekkks NAMBLA to change their names and incessantly and slavishly stalk me is but a minor victory … smirk
getting it to endlessly ‘mimic’ my style/prose is fooking priceless!!
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
TFTT-
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. All your simple mind can do is spill bile at what you don’t understand-which is just about everything.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
wankerjackass
even your attempted lame insults are as puerile as your pathologically fatuous naivete.
actually bubbaturd I live in a tin roofed rotting chipboard hovel … but no matter. I understand leftist hypocrisy like the alBOre’s very well (see my earlier post). I understand Sharptongue’s disgusting racism/bigotty (see yesterday’s posts). I am also now suitably inured to robotic leftist lies, endless Bush hate, demoNcrat cut and run treason etc.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
how about the lies of the right? Are you just as “inured” to those? If so, then why don’t I ever see you post about those?
There are LIARS on either side.
By Jessie
February 27, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
jacksonwolff,
I suspect that you’re new to this blog. The regulars here have learned to skip TFTT’s posts altogether. For the most part, they’re considered to be clutter.
In addition, engaging him has proven to be an exercise in futility and only encourages him.
Feel free to give it your best shot, but you might end up with a headache at the end of the day.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the advise. I am new to this forum, but I kind of like to see old fuss-and-feather get all riled up, it’s kinda funny if think about it.
By crash
February 27, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Sale, Sale, Sale!
By WTF
February 27, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Sale, Sale, Sale!
did ya mean Sell, Sell, Sell.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
wankerjackass
I COULD GIVE A TOSS WHAT YOU THINK!!
effortlessly goading pathetic bleating leftists like you bubbaturd makes does the body jolly good!! Joyfully observing your pathetic arse seeking worthless counsel from other marxist afterbirth is freaking priceless!!
Only a glib lib (geddit??) ignores the blindingly obvious truth that the pithy erudite bollocks that lefties spew is no match to the intellectually honest and factual comments proffered by their CONSERVATIVE BETTERS!!
HUGE LET’S ROUND UP ALL LEFTISTS ON TRAINS AND SEND THEM TO THE SHOWERS SMIRK!!
By crash
February 27, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
Go shopping moran!
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
day after day its the same damn thing on here. the day’s topic usually sparks a few posts which generally address the subject. the choice of topics if somewhat ‘dry’ dont usually last all day.
Eventually - usually sooner rather than later Iraq or some kind of Bush hate oozes out and then the endless cycle of reponse and reply going over the interminable same ground making the same endless points.
patronising cows like “jessie” if that’s its real name smugly and assiduously avoid castigating the lefties who endlessly peddle vituperative, often graphically homosexual abuse on here.
on the increasingly number of days when I dont bother with this blog the leftist abuse still flows, especially on weekends.
sad cows like “jessie” are as selective/dishonest in their bollocks as the alBOre is in that witless pile of hysterical lies/propaganda that the Bush hating, SUV driving, private plane abusing, energy guzzling lefties slobbered all over in illegal infested Kalifornia on Sunday nite. the bigger the car/house/entourage etc the bigger the energy use.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
see … the SAD anal obsessive stalker is still obsessed!!
I still GOT THE POWER!!
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
day after day its the same damn thing on here. the day’s topic usually sparks a few posts which generally address the subject. the choice of topics if somewhat ‘dry’ dont usually last all day
Awwww……
Poor wittle TFTT is having one of his “unhinged hissy fits”
patronising cows like “jessie” if that’s its real name smugly and assiduously avoid castigating the lefties who endlessly peddle vituperative, often graphically homosexual abuse on here.
on the increasingly number of days when I dont bother with this blog the leftist abuse still flows, especially on weekends
…and here’s where our wittle TFTT begins to cry about how the world is unfair and hateful, despite the fact that he spews most of the hate on this blog.
Come here TFTT…let me give you a hug…it’ll be OK…I promise…
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this
time for the rag
Where did someone namejack you? What the hell are you talking about?
What a schizoid…
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
Blind adoration is what led the Germans into WWII. I am thankfull that not every one is simple minded enough to blindly follow our dear leader off the cliff.
TFTT- when you and Dr. Doo get home tonight, make sure you give him a BIG kiss for me.
By JK
February 27, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Yo, where’s our self-purported economic genius today? The Dow Jones is tumbling (there goes my 401K again), following China’s crash.
Gee, DO YA THINK maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to go $9 trillion in debt by cutting taxes and spending money we don’t have? Hmm…. How much exactly do we owe China? Oh, but as long as we swagger around and say “Mission Accomplished,” it’s all good, right? Or is this some type of fantasyland?
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
smiles @ steve-o
where have you been all day?
By harold
February 27, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Sorry Wooter, but Harold suspects you lost your readers today with “Lanetta Estrada”
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
poor old wanky steve
clearly your dishonest doltishness is dominant today!!
its the lefties who frequently turn this blog into a homosexual abuse/Bush hate bear garden. a handful of conservatives, including yours truly, hand back (in kind) some, though hardly all of what is meted out by the leftist scum.
he spews most of the hate on this blog.
by most one reasonably assumes 51% - or more … so at least 51% of ALL the “hate” on this blog is by my hand -eh dickweed??? seven days a week??
now you see why we right wingers metaphorically spit in your leftist faces when you post such alBore/HiTllary like lies as this!!
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere.
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 09:07 AM | Link to this
DEFINITIVE PROOF that the obese deranged embittered lying eco whacko nutter alBore - gloriously beaten by Bush - and one time unrepentant TN slumlord is a giant energy hogging hypocrite.
and the eco whacko leftie scum won’t condemn him for it!!! typical leftie liars and cowards!!
NAH! TFTT never says anything negative until someone chides him first…LMFAO!!
Are you serious? This post was your first post of the day and most of it is abuse thrown to the left! What a sad, lying (c)unt!
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere
TFTT,
I really don’t want to know when and where you have wanked yourself.
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere
TFTT,
I really don’t want to know when and where you have wanked yourself.
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere
TFTT,
I really don’t want to know when and where you have wanked yourself.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
jackass
I knew you were a complete simpleton… the GERMans did NOT “start: WWII simply because of “blind adoration”. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian state that killed/imprisoned numerous opponents, using the Gestapo, very cynical propaganda, brainwashing of the Hitler yoof, generating notions of racial supremacy and hatred of ‘inferior peoples’ etc these were just some of the reasons.
By Janine
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Van@2:06..Re:.just where is it stated that Congress has an interest in education? It is not defined in Article 1 Section 8. And according to the 10th Amendment it is solely a states issue.
The Feds have NO legitimate place in the education landscape. I really haven’t been able to find out exactly how they got there! Anyone know???
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere
TFTT,
I really don’t want to know when and where you have wanked yourself.
By Janine
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Van@2:06..Re:.just where is it stated that Congress has an interest in education? It is not defined in Article 1 Section 8. And according to the 10th Amendment it is solely a states issue.
The Feds have NO legitimate place in the education landscape. I really haven’t been able to find out exactly how they got there! Anyone know???
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere
TFTT,
I really don’t want to know when and where you have wanked yourself.
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
wankpig steve-o
@ 3.26
@ 12.57
@ 12.35
@ 12.08
plus several times yesterday … when I was out driving round Alpharetta and elsewhere
TFTT,
I really don’t want to know when and where you have wanked yourself.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
My,my steve-o, I don’t think TFML(time for more lies) likes you. It’s funny when conservatives can’t see the forest for the trees, and anyone who disagrees with them is “not patriotic.” The funny thing is, Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were all Libral and were call un-patriotic traitors in their day as well.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
jackass
I knew you were a complete simpleton… the GERMans did NOT “start” WWII simply because of “blind adoration”. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian state that killed/imprisoned numerous opponents, using the Gestapo, very cynical propaganda, brainwashing of the Hitler yoof, generating notions of racial supremacy and hatred of ‘inferior peoples’ etc these were just some of the reasons.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
jackass
I knew you were a complete simpleton… the GERMans did NOT “start” WWII simply because of “blind adoration”. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian state that killed/imprisoned numerous opponents, using the Gestapo, very cynical propaganda, brainwashing of the Hitler yoof, generating notions of racial supremacy and hatred of ‘inferior peoples’ etc these were just some of the reasons.
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
wankpig stevey
its fun occasionally posting the stone cold truth @ the alBOre … nothing there that aint factual/fair comment!!
I do like the bracketed self description at the end of your hateful post though turdface!!
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Like I said earlier TFML
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
jacksonwolff
What’s up!
It’s fun as hell to watch our favorite resident Brit wretch totally lose it! Cornering him into a reactionary situation is way too easy!! Talk about taking candy from a baby!
TFTT,
From the bottom of our leftist “afterbirth” scum hearts—thanks for all the laughs and cheers! You are truly the most pathetic Brit schmuck since David Brent!
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
I knew you were a complete simpleton… the GERMans did NOT “start” WWII simply because of “blind adoration”. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian state that killed/imprisoned numerous opponents, using the Gestapo, very cynical propaganda, brainwashing of the Hitler yoof, generating notions of racial supremacy and hatred of ‘inferior peoples’ etc these were just some of the reasons.
How freaking ironic TFTT (TFML)!!
The very tactics that you bemoan about the Nazis (and rightfully so) is the same type of behavior that you wish to employ towards those that don’t agree with you according to your “train and shower” proposition in your 3:26 post.
My my what a hypcrictical punk you are!
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
I knew you were a complete simpleton… the GERMans did NOT “start” WWII simply because of “blind adoration”. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian state that killed/imprisoned numerous opponents, using the Gestapo, very cynical propaganda, brainwashing of the Hitler yoof, generating notions of racial supremacy and hatred of ‘inferior peoples’ etc these were just some of the reasons.
not unlike what you do here everyday?
as for the gestapo, what do you think the NSA is for?
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Poor wittle TFTT (TFML) has packed up his toys and ran home crying. Awwww!
Why is it so easy to picture TFTT as a cockney-speaking Cartman?
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
scummywankpig steve/jackass …
you two need to get a room with Borat!!
clearly your boorish stupidity is almost on a par with the likes of maxine waters … I was idjacked at 3.26 … or is it part of your sick leftist game to ignore that fact!!
what “reactionary position would that be bollockbrain”? the one where you get mercilessly outwitted again?
all you dogsqueeze leftists do is make empty unsupported hateful assertions … if I’m “David Brent” … then you’re Corporal Max Klinger (in a dress) after he’s “bred” with the soup nazi from that pathetically unfunny sh!t that seinfeld puked up!!
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
I knew you were a complete simpleton… the GERMans did NOT “start” WWII simply because of “blind adoration”. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian state that killed/imprisoned numerous opponents, using the Gestapo, very cynical propaganda, brainwashing of the Hitler yoof, generating notions of racial supremacy and hatred of ‘inferior peoples’ etc these were just some of the reasons.
not unlike what you do here everyday?
as for the gestapo, what do you think the NSA is for?
HA HA HA HA HA … too funny - too funny … now these queer leftist maggots show their true hate America colours!!
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
I make sure to reserve that room for you and Dr. Doo. I just know you two will make the most adorable couple, in you matching wedding dresses.
BTW…. I actualy am Gay and I wouldn’t touch you if you had a 10 foot “pole”
scummywankpig? is that you screen name on gay.com?
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
its even easier to picture you two sorry obese self absorbed limp wristed yankkkkee wankers as the turd Mr Hankey and the queer Mr Garrison respectively!!
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
Glory hallelujah our favorite Brit schmoe is back! And this time with a hidden barb thrown at Seinfeld! LMFAO!!
Your entire post at 4:39 is reactionary you freaking idiot! LOL!
And the whole “get a room with Borat” barb…absolutely pathetic. You couldn’t outwit 10 year old on the short bus.
And yes…you are David Brent. Although you could make an excellent Gareth Keenan with the whole awkward dillusions of grandeur and self-importance that you exhibit on a daily basis.
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Here’s TFTT at 3:57…
its the lefties who frequently turn this blog into a homosexual abuse…bear garden
and now here’s TFTT at 4:43…
HA HA HA HA HA … too funny - too funny … now these queer leftist maggots show their true hate America colours!!
Jacksonwolff—is this the definition of “hypocrisy”?
TFTT=David Brent indeed. ROTFLMAO!!
By steve-o
February 27, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
its even easier to picture you two sorry obese self absorbed limp wristed yankkkkee wankers as the turd Mr Hankey and the queer Mr Garrison respectively!!
What can I say…the wit of a 10 year old on the short bus…
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
it sure is steve-o
well TFML i have to go now, I actualy have a life. so you have a nice nite rolling in your own feces or what ever you do
By time for the truth
February 27, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this
I COULD GIVE A FLIP WHAT YOU TOSSERS BLOODY THINK!
I eagerly anticipate the utter gleethat yours truly will experience in frolicking with the glorious remains of J Edgar Hoover once I arrive at home! Resident vapid leftist scum glibly ignore the fabulous necrophilic opportunity that yours truly genuinely enjoys each evening!!
HUGE NECROPHILIC SMIRK!!
By getalife
February 27, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this
Why is this blog still open?
By rascal
February 28, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
What none of you seems to understand is that School Choice is not about a parent getting to choose because of some constitutional or other right to choose. School Choice is about setting in motion the power of the free market to address the problem of an inadequate and poor quality education system education. When individuals make choices about products and services with money they control, they tend to buy what works best for them. This solution is not the same for all. When choice through vouchers becomes predominant and available to all Georgians, you will suddenly have schools of all shapes, sizes and specialties popping up all over Georgia. We will all have a choice and the choice will be a better education for every child, rich or poor, black or white.
By Edwin Williams
March 1, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
The voucher argument is really silly. Wherever it has been tried it works. Most western European nations have such a system. Most private schools apply unless they are considered “exclusive” as in excluding people for certain reasons. In France almost all private schools, whether religious or secular, are approved. Sadly, the Breton Diwan Schools where the native language is taught is excluded from the voucher program because it promotes a language the French govenment has tried to stamp out for the last 150 years. I know because my family is from Saint-Malo, Brittany. In Ireland all schools are private (religious or secular) and the government gives vouchers to parents who choose the school. If the school tuition is over the value of the voucher, then the parents must make up the difference or find another school. The system works well. We should not be scared of it. The sad part is that we have the best post-secondary education system in the world, but a mediocre K-12 system. The reason for our superior university system is competition. We could only improve our K-12 system with this same philosophy.
By Amber
March 1, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
“If the school tuition is over the value of the voucher, then the parents must make up the difference or find another school.”
Exactly. Using voucher, those with the most money have access to the best education.
This is one reason that vouchers are a bad idea. A child’s educational opportunities should not be determined by her parents’ wealth, or lack thereof.
By Edwin Williams
March 1, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
jacksonwolff - Washington, Jefferson and Franklin were liberals in the European sense of the word, not in the American sense. Washington was even vilified as being too conservative by some of the anti-Federalist detractors. None of these men was a Socialist or a believer in any kind of real state control over the economy. That is in fact what made them “liberal” or “radical” in their day. The great European powers believed in mercantilism which is why Adam Smith entitled his famous treatise The Wealth of Nations. He saw the government control and regulation of economies (and rightfully so) as the real impediment to personal and political freedom because it robbed people of the ability to make basic choices for themselves. That is why socialism always fails. It robs people of the basic right to make basic decisions. I once had a socialist friend of mine tell me that he didn’t think that people needed all of these choices because they were too confusing! He actually thought that he and others like him should be making these decisions. Imagine having only one choice of what kind of soap or breakfast cereal to buy because some erudite (not) bureaucrat made the decision because he didn’t want you to be “confused”?
By Edwin Williams
March 1, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
Amber - that is a fact of life which you do not want to deal with. The fact is you are denying all poor children a better education by denying them access to more competitive schools. There have always been and will always been inequities in evey society. This system in fact would be more equitable. Also, it is a matter of choice. I know many people who could afford to send their children to “better” private schools if they made different financial choices, such as a cheaper car or a smaller house. In the European system, most people can find a satisfactory public or private school with the voucher system. This is because of competition, not in spite of it. Monopolies, whether private or public are bad and destroy innovation. We must find a better way. This voucher system very well could be the best way to do just that.