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DEL.ICIO.USSenate ought to reconsider spending limits
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Amid the clutter, little noticed in the shuffle, important ideas take shape under the Gold Dome. State Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) brought one to the floor Wednesday, a crucial piece of what should be the fiscal conservatives’ small-government revolution in Georgia. It failed while gaining but a single Democratic vote, State Sen. J.B. Powell of Blythe.
Rogers’ proposed constitutional amendment would have given Georgians a chance to impose reasonable controls on state spending — reasonable and flexible controls that don’t so much cap spending as make it transparent. In the spirit of almost all reforms that conservatives are proposing here and nationally on health care, education and personal retirement planning, change starts with giving people information and the means to act on it.
That’s the core of Rogers’ SR 20, which would have limited the growth in state spending to “an amount equal to the fiscal year spending in any of the three immediately preceding fiscal years; or an amount equal to the immediately preceding fiscal year spending adjusted for state government inflation and population change.”
Excess revenue collected could go only to pay down debt, build a rainy-day fund to cover future economic downturns or fund increases in student enrollment. Or it would be returned to taxpayers. “When we do overtax, we have priorities for where that money should go,” Rogers explained.
Future legislators are not without flexibility. When reserves are gone, the governor can declare an emergency and legislators by two-thirds majority can agree to higher spending.
Opponents are quick to point to Colorado, and problems that arose in 2002, a decade after voters capped spending at inflation plus population growth.
Rogers, at 38, is one of the new wave of young conservatives who are coming into their own. They come to power with philosophical certainty but, as he demonstrated last year on immigration, without the rigidity that sometimes destroys new ideas before they are fully vetted.
He listens to critics, revises legislation without gutting or derailing it and then argues from the certainty of examined beliefs. The Colorado bogeyman is an example. To critics, a voter-imposed spending limitation was a disaster, prompting voters to agree to a five-year moratorium in 2005.
State Sen. Kasim Reed, a quite capable Democrat and future mayor of Atlanta, challenged Rogers on Colorado’s experience and the impact of spending limitations on Georgia’s AAA bond rating. Weak-willed and uncertain conservatives die here, completely cowed by the suggestion that Georgia’s triple-A bond rating could be jeopardized.
“I find no inherent connection between the two,” Rogers replied. In fact, he argued, the existence of a rainy day fund and a long-stable, predictable budget, should reassure creditors.
“I have addressed all the problems that were brought to us,” he said. Colorado had no reserves. Voters had, too, approved a conflicting requirement that education spending increase by 1 percent over inflation, despite collections. As a result, other services took an inordinate hit.
“In 2001, Colorado had the greatest drought in 240 years,” said Rogers, and tourism tanked in the aftermath of Sept. 11. The two caused state revenue to drop 12 percent in one year, he noted.
The Colorado spending limitation required legislators to go back to voters for permission to raise taxes. Rogers’ doesn’t. Georgia’s governor could have declared an emergency. He provided a spending option for education. And he provides the reserve fund option that would have carried Georgia through the Colorado downturn.
Budget experts have looked at Georgia’s experience over the last 20 years. About half the time, Georgia would have been over the cap and about half the time under. Putting aside money in the good years would have carried the state through the lean. As Rogers pointed out repeatedly, legislators always get to spend more money than they did the previous year. “Under the plan the limit would always go up,” said Rogers. “To suggest that there would be draconian cuts flies in the face of reality.”
Transparency. Accountability. It is not draconian. It’s the discipline politicians need in spending other people’s money.
It failed Wednesday because only one Democrat supported it. On Tuesday, the Senate has a chance to reconsider. It should.
• Jim Wooten is the associate editorial page editor. His column appears Sundays, Tuesdays and Fridays.
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By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 08:09 AM | Link to this
Jim: If you want to get legislation through the chambers of government, be it Federal or State, just tell the liberals that George Bush is against it.
You’ll have every pinko on your side and they won’t realize it; plus they’ll be happy cause they can demagogue against Bush.
Look at your spending bill, the libs went through the last six years wailing and tearing their clothes over the “deficit” because they could “blame” Bush for it; first chance they get to vote to reign in government spending they all bail out.
Just think of all the debate time, the lobbying and the back dooring that could be saved by just making Bush the spokesman for the side you want to lose.
Seriously, who would have ever thought that they would see the US House of Representatives vote for Al Qaeda against the United States?
Try what I’m saying, see if it don’t work.
It’s foolproof.
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By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 08:20 AM | Link to this
So “the Murtha plan” is to deny the president the possibility of victory while making sure Democrats don’t have to share the blame for the defeat. But of course he’s a great American! He’s a patriot! He supports the troops! He doesn’t support them in the mission, but he’d like them to continue failing at it for a couple more years. As John Kerry wondered during Vietnam, how do you ask a soldier to be the last man to die for a mistake? By nominally “fully funding” a war you don’t believe in but “limiting his ability to use the money.” Or as the endearingly honest anti-war group MoveCongress.org put it, in an e-mail preview of an exclusive interview with the wise old Murtha:
“Chairman Murtha will describe his strategy for not only limiting the deployment of troops to Iraq but undermining other aspects of the president’s foreign and national security policy.”
Got that?
That’s nice, real nice.
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By @@
February 18, 2007 08:58 AM | Link to this
Wow Jim, if Rogers is the new face of fiscal conservatism, things are looking up for the Republicans.
Unfortunately, my mental sparkplug missfires when it comes to “government funding and economics”.
I can only speak to how I manage my personal finances, and Rogers’ proposal sounds like he would make a great “better half” to the taxpaying citizen.
Anyway…some questions. One straightforward, and one theoretical.
The priorities set for where the the overtaxed funds would go? Is that set in advance of need? You know, of course, that voters will all have their individual priorities. Not everyone will be happy. More than likely their dissatisfaction will have no reasoning behind it. It’ll probably be based on what party is in the majority. But then what else is new?
Anyway…wouldn’t it be fun to know which taxpayers would want the excess returned to them?
As a moderate conservative, who knows the value of a savings account, I’d let it stay in the government coffers, and then hope it’s applied where the need exists.
Kinda like the discussion the husband and I might have. The husband would say “Honey, you really do need new sparkplugs.”, while I’m arguing for new pots & pans. The husband would then say. “But honey, you wouldn’t have anything to cook, if you can’t get to the grocery store”.
My response would be. “Damn, why is it you’re always right?” “Then get me a new sparkplug, cause it’s definitely an essential”.
“BTW luv, did you just call me stupid?”
By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 08:59 AM | Link to this
Right now, the richest, smartest, most productive nation that ever existed is poised to let itself be driven to ruin by the silliest quest in all history: an attempt to change the climate. The Greeks called this “hubris.” It happens when a nation thinks it can do anything — or becomes too stupid to differentiate the possible from the impossible. Global warming is the politicians’ dream — a cornucopia of money and political control. Greens could control the world economy with it. If enough voters can be scared into believing we are going to fry the planet, they will accept higher taxes and ever-tightening controls on their lives. There will be money to burn on dubious anti-warming technology.
That’s why the pushers of “global warming” are nothing but partisan socialist hacks, wishing to grow the government into a business killing monster, intruding into your life to tell you what kind of car to drive, when you can flush your toilet, to cap you in the knees when you turn the thermostat up.
So what’s worse, Homeland Security “listening” in your phone conversations for the killers of Al Qaida or a bunch of pinkos scolding you daily about your “carbon” footprint?
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By Jim Wooten
February 18, 2007 09:01 AM | Link to this
OK, WD, I’ll try your suggestion: George Bush hates the idea of spending limits in Georgia. We’ll see if that works on Tuesday.
By CJ
February 18, 2007 09:15 AM | Link to this
I couldn’t help but notice that Republicans are always looking to change either our State constitution or U.S. Constitution to institutionalize their bad ideas: from “we hate gays” amendments to “don’t look behind the curtain” flag burning amendments to spending growth limitations intended to tie the hands of future legislators who might realize the folly of continuing to under invest in our schools, throwing kids off of PeachCare and refusing to provide long-term solutions for mass transit. Whenever Republicans get control, either locally or nationally, they immediately start running off about amending a constitution.
Okay. Well now that Democrats are controlling the Congress and, outside the Deep South, people seem to be coming to their senses, I have a few ideas of my own for the U.S. Constitution: Let’s add a right to be paid living wage. Let’s specifically define “speech” to exclude political financial contributions so that those with the most “speech” aren’t those with the most money. Let’s revoke constitutional rights given to corporations by activist judges. Let’s restate the second amendment, so that when people quote from it, rather than skipping the first half of it to misrepresent it, they would have quote every other word to misrepresent it. Let’s clarify the meaning of the Commerce Clause to specifically provide for twenty-first century challenges. And, let’s explicitly provide for the right to privacy.
That should be enough to keep us busy for a while — but there’s plenty more where those came from.
By Curious Observer
February 18, 2007 09:17 AM | Link to this
Yes, let’s freeze state spending right where it is, allowing an increase only for annual inflation. No more new programs. No more pay raises for government workers or school personnel. No more educational enrichment. We can stay at 49th in the nation in SAT scores and be proud of holding the line there. No more subsidizing road building or mass transit. Pretty soon, we can be right back to the 19th Century, where we belong. Those were the good old days.
This Rogers fellow must be a graduate of UGA or Alabama or Auburn, which seem to specialize in teaching simplistic solutions to complex problems. Me, I intend to notify all my creditors and utility companies that I’m freezing my payments at the current level and that there will be no increases except for the annual rate of inflation. There! I feel much better.
By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 09:40 AM | Link to this
By Curious Observer February 18, 2007 09:17 AM Me, I intend to notify all my creditors and utility companies that I’m freezing my payments at the current level and that there will be no increases except for the annual rate of inflation.
Didn’t Wooten just tell you Bush was against spending limits too?
By the way you did put the utility companies on “notice” already, via the Public Service Commission, a nosy governmental agency that tax dollars fund.
That’s not the best example you could have found.
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By artc
February 18, 2007 09:40 AM | Link to this
By staff | Sunday, February 18, 2007, 12:31 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Amid the clutter, little noticed in the shuffle, important ideas take shape under the Gold Dome. State Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) brought one to the floor Wednesday,
Was Chip wearing his robe and hood?
By artc
February 18, 2007 09:45 AM | Link to this
By staff | Sunday, February 18, 2007, 12:31 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Rogers, at 38, is one of the new wave of young conservatives who are coming into their own.
Chip Rogers is nothing more than the new wave of “coservatives” that are nothing more than cleaned up David Duke wannabes.
By Brian Curtis
February 18, 2007 09:46 AM | Link to this
SR20 is classic Republican ‘feel-good’ legislation: a simpleminded, band-aid “solution” that fixes nothing and is impractical to boot.
Arbitrary limits like this are unworkable, and I suspect even the bill’s sponsor knows this and is only introducing it to gain credibility with his constituents.
By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 09:56 AM | Link to this
By Brian Curtis February 18, 2007 09:46 AM SR20 is classic Republican ‘feel-good’ legislation: a simpleminded, band-aid “solution” that fixes nothing and is impractical to boot. Arbitrary limits like this are unworkable.
Look Brian, Bush is against this. Need you know more?
Summary of the PAYGO Rule 1/17/2007. The new House PAYGO rule establishes a point of order in the House of Representatives, effective immediately, against consideration of any entitlement or revenue bill that would, in net, increase projected deficits.
Huh, I guess “unworkable” all depends on who’s idea it was.
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By artc
February 18, 2007 09:57 AM | Link to this
All Chip Rogers has to do to get credibility with his “constituents” is keep bashing minorities. But Chip is in for a shock when a powerful new PAC that is being formed hires enough lobbyist to kill him before he grows. His influence with his fellow Klansmen (constituents) will wane quickly. Thank God for Cherokee County. Now at least Forsyth County is off the hook.
By Corky Cobb
February 18, 2007 09:57 AM | Link to this
Why would south Georgia want spending limits? Seems like that would be killing the Atlanta goose that lays the golden eggs.
By Corky Cobb
February 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
When Sonny went to the White House begging Bush for Peachcare money he could have just said “Mr President, you are against funding Peachcare.”
There you have it. It would have been funded. I guess our Governor is just not that bright.
Gosh darn.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
WD,
I think you should mention that not only Bush, but Newt “the Grinch” Gingrich is against this too. And Richard Mellon Scaife. And Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. And the N.R.A. And Bill O’Reilly. And Sean Hannity. Oh! Don’t forget Ann Coulter!
Have I forgotten anyone?
By Corky Cobb
February 18, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
Someone should have told Bush that Clinton’s North Korea plan was wonderful.
By Corky Cobb
February 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Yes Buy Danish, you forgot Tinky Winky.
By Jim Wooten
February 18, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
@@ at 8:58: Some classes of revenue would be excluded. I’ve added a link to the Senate Resolution 20 as it will be voted on Tuesday. Rogers identifies the four categories — three, plus returning excess collections to taxpayers — and it would be up to the General Assembly to decide the priorities. Within the set limits, needs would compete, just as they do in the household budget.
By jm
February 18, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Sounds like the standard “starve the beast” tactic to me. Will never work until someone actually decides to cut a “popular” program and face the voter’s wrath.
Oh yeah, interesting statistic that you can spin any way you like. Georgia is 49th in education and 5th in prison size. Convict Count. Wonder if there is a corelation.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
Corky Cobb,
Isn’t Tinky Winky your pet name for your own inadequate body part?
By JohnD
February 18, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Democrats (Liberals) like Brian, CJ and artc have the most simplistic of minds and attitudes. Leave government alone to allow the Liberals to expand the size and throw more money, someone’s money other than theirs, at every problem. No plan by these three, just a lot of KKK this or morons that, so that we can pay more taxes and allow the Dems to buy votes with the tax structure.
You three must be carpetbaggers who move South and complain about the traffic, bad drivers, ignorance of the people, and on and on while saying the South would be nothing without all the yankees who moved here. All of you ignore the fact that until you moved here from the Northern hell holes that pass as cities none of the problems existed.
You should all go back to Newark, Detroit, The Bronx, Cleveland and the rest of those little edens on earth where you can live with your socialist brethren.
As said before, by Thomas Jefferson I believe, “The problem (Democrats) has gone too far to fix and it is too early to line them all up and shoot them”.
By Redneck Convert
February 18, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Well, me and my buddy Jim Earl is all ready for the 1st NASCAR race of the season. We got the beer iced down that we bought yesterday because today is the Lord’s Day and you shouldn’t buy beer on Sunday like that crazy Harold wants to do. It’s OK to drink it on the Lord’s Day though. Only Sister Dusty thinks its sinful. Some of the folk up here in North Forsyth went to Daytona by selling their food stamps. I make too much money as a beer truck driver to get food stamps.
I say freeze the state spending right where it is. We could save a boatload of money just by stopping paying for schooling past the 5th grade. I never made it past the 5th grade and it never hurt me none. And stop paying Those People not to work. All they do is lay around the house and push out babys for our tax money to pay for doctor bills for. Us rednecks get real riled up when somebody else is having sex. Anyway, its the libruls that will be the ruin of our fine state if we don’t nip spending right in the bud right now.
Well, time to pop a cold one and get ready to hear what driver got kicked out now. It was mighty slick of that race team to add some things to the fuel to make the car go faster. Now that’s the kind of thinking we need in this state. Like Sonny coming up with the idea of cutting the Peachcare budget. Except he turned all librul and went to Washington to ask that Pelousy woman for more Peachcare money. We need people that will cut and cut and cut till we don’t even need a budget. Just pay for things in cash out of our coat pocket, like old Herman Talmadge used to do. And stick to it.
By getalife
February 18, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
The gop borrow and spend continues as they try to sale off all assets that future generations will not collect revenue on.
The destruction of our country continues as the wingnuts cheer on the cheerleader.
I read the AJC is laying off and Jim should retire.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
The New York Times props up Stalin via Pulitzer Patriot Walter Duranty, and props up Castro through Herbert Matthews.
Cuba honors American who made Castro a legend:
In that glowing article Matthews wrote: “The personality of the man (Castro) is overpowering. It was easy to see that his men adored him and also to see why he has caught the imagination of the youth of Cuba all over the island. Here was an educated, dedicated fanatic, a man of ideals, of courage and of remarkable qualities of leadership.”
Look at these fools who want to micromanage military strategy in Iraq:
The interview may have also helped Castro by exaggerating the size of his rebel force. Castro later bragged he only had 18 men at the time, but made them pass in front of the American reporter several times.
By Dennis
February 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten states; “Putting aside money in the lean years would have carried the state through the good… Transparency. Accountability. It is not draconian. It’s the discipline politicians need in spending other people’s money.”
Tell it to the Bush administration who inherited a financial surplus from the Clinton era, squandered that, and have now dug a financial hole for future Americans to “hopefully” dig out of (if they can ever repay all of the money Bush has borrowed to finance his personal war(s) in the Middle-East).
What the neocons don’t realize is that with their continued support of the Bush policies of needless war and big tax breaks to unneedy corporations, they and their children and grandchildren are in the financial hole just like the liberals.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By artc
February 18, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
By JohnD
February 18, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
All of you ignore the fact that until you moved here from the Northern hell holes that pass as cities none of the problems existed.
Born and raised in Georgia JohnD. Just recognize politicians that do nothing more than pander to racists, bigots, xenophobes, and nativists when I see em.
By getalife
February 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
Of course, Mike should stay
By JamesMadison
February 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Dennis, GW, Deadeye Dick, and the neo-con cabal is the best thing that ever happened to this country. Yes we will have endured 8 years of the most scurrilous administration in this nation’s history, but in the end that is what it took for mainstream Americans to get their wake up call. Never again will middle America be sucked into a brand of “conservatism” that they didn’t sign on for. Thank you Bush/Cheney. You have insured that nobody to the right of John McCain will ever again pollute our government. I thank you profusely.
By getalife
February 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
This is how the gop support the troops
Pathetic as usual.
By CJ
February 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
JohnD,
While your simple minded assumptions about Democrats/liberals might bring you comfort – they’re not remotely accurate. More importantly, your bazaar generalizations aren’t relevant either.
If the best you have is to resort to accusing those with whom you disagree of being “carpetbaggers who move South” or of throwing “someone’s money other than theirs at every problem”, then you’re either stupid, lazy or don’t have much confidence in your case.
By Doug
February 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the link getalife. GW would like nothing more than to use conditions like this to justify privatization of these services. Why else do you start a war and than cut funding to all the peripheral services to GIs and their left behind families? It is so transparent. These guys see another opportunity to feed the pigs that support them. This has got to be the most dishonest and immoral group of people to ever lead this country. I can see it now. GW cuts the funds to these activities and then uses their condition as an example to build a case for privatization. This administration has no shame.
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Putting aside money in the lean years would have carried the state through the good.
Is that sentence right Jim? It just sounds backward.
WootenDull,
There’s a loophole in the rule that liberals will automatically be against President Bush and that’s when it comes to limiting taxing and spending. Those things are so ingrained in Democrat DNA that it even overcomes BDS.
By Doug
February 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
When it comes to spending, nobody comes close to the Bush administration, RW. This is the most fiscally irresponsible crowd to ever impersonate conservatives.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
According to your hero, John “Slow Bleed” Murtha, the troops is Iraq are living it up in palaces…and have hot water!
By Major B.
February 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Despite RW’s wishful thinking, it was a Republican president and a Republican Congress who got this country into the fiscal mess it’s in today. Discretionary, non-defense spending grew faster under these guys than it had in decades. RW can cling to the myth that Democrats spend more than Republicans, but it ain’t true.
Also, I’ve heard it said that for every dollar spent as a result of the G.I. bill, seven dollars have been returned to the treasury. I’ve heard similar figures on the National Endowment for the Arts. Yes — some government spending actually saves taxpayers money (see jm’s earlier post where he observed the relationship between being cheap with education and how it ends up costing us more later with sheltering, feeding and providing medical care for prisoners).
By Dennis
February 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
James Madison, As a former conservative I remember how tough it is to get out of the “It’s all about me and my kind” syndrome.
I wish I could share your vision, but Americans are taught and led by the media to have a short memory about the sins of their government.
As badly as Bush and the republicans are continuing to mess up, there are STILL some neocons who “CAN’T” admit it. I have no doubts that we will be in this for years and years to come, thanks to Bush.
Not only can neocons not admit it, they can’t even see it.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 01:02 PM | Link to this
Doug and Major B,
I know you guys will ignore this and tell again in a few days how I’m a Bushbot that only blames Democrats, but I agree that the spending has been outrageous under President Bush.
Now that the Democrats control Congress I’ll look forward to seeing all the huge slashes in the budget you fiscally responsible Democrats plan to make, but I won’t hold my breath since all I hear from you is that XY&Z programs are all underfunded.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this
Dennis Dahreese,
You’re a “former conservative”? How big was that fish you caught again?
By Sissies Poofs and Pansies for Bush
February 18, 2007 01:04 PM | Link to this
Welcome to the Wooten blog, where the elite limp-wristed trouser-sniffin’ yellow-bellied cretins that make up southern KKKonservativsm meet.
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
I think Dahreese is playing one of Blowhard’s word games in his “former conservative” definition.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 01:14 PM | Link to this
RW,
Blowhard never did define what the word means to him. Maybe he is as “conservative” as the Iranian Ayatollahs?
By getalife
February 18, 2007 01:18 PM | Link to this
The truth about Mr. Murtha’s plan
God bless him.
By Definition of a Wooten Conservative
February 18, 2007 01:22 PM | Link to this
Spineless gutless brainless paranoid cowardly sexual deviant, fascinated with violence.
By Curly Girl
February 18, 2007 01:27 PM | Link to this
Hi! It’s me Andi!
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By Dennis
February 18, 2007 01:38 PM | Link to this
By Buy Danish February 18, 2007 01:03 PM | “Dennis Dahreese, You’re a “former conservative”? How big was that fish you caught again?”
When I first started posting on here, I stated that I, unlike you, have no interest in arguing and name calling and oneupsmanship. And I prefer to stick to that.
But, since you “asked”, the fish is at least as big or as little, as far or as close, as you have vision for.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 01:40 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
Maybe his definition is someone that gets what they call facts from a place called “Crooks and Liars.”
getalife,
Your Granddad is sounding more and more like a babbling old senile fool. Maybe it’s time to pack him away. Brit Hume had a great description of him on this morning’s Fox News Sunday round-table. Replay on FNC today at 6:00!
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 01:44 PM | Link to this
Brit Hume smacksdown John “Slow Bleed” Murtha as a fountain of misinformation.
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 01:45 PM | Link to this
For somebody that ends every single post calling people that don’t agree with you “blind” and “ignorant” it sure is nice to know you see yourself as above the fray, Dennis. Hypocrite.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 01:47 PM | Link to this
Dennis,
I’m confused. What namecalling? Calling you “Dahreese” or calling you a “conservative”?
Please do share your hurt feelings with me so I can issue a proper apology, if warranted.
By Andie, You're a Fine Girl
February 18, 2007 01:53 PM | Link to this
Jeso Pete, I had finally mustered up enough courage to go enlist when I found out that most American soldiers have hot water and can shower regularly.
This American kkkonservative would rather service hot sweaty stinky Marines than ones right out of the shower any day.
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By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 01:57 PM | Link to this
RW,
That little speech by Dahreese is also an awful lot like Blowhard’s phony annoinment of himself as the voice of moderation.
By getalife
February 18, 2007 02:03 PM | Link to this
“GOP Hagel: “I’d Be Open” To Murtha Iraq Proposal”.
Hume or Hagel.
Geez.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 02:03 PM | Link to this
Golly gee, it sounds like even Bob Woodward thinks the Dems are phony liars, and are undermining the morale of our troops.
Yesterday they had an editorial condemning the Democrat resolutions and now this.
Is WaPo moving to the right?
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 02:03 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
It’s just the typical liberal mindset of “do as I say not as I do.”
From the comment section of your link above:
M-ainly
U-nconscious
R-etrograde
T-raitorous
H-ogheaded
A-xhole.
(Hat tip: Honu)
By Are Our Soldiers Scared??
February 18, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this
Here’s a question for you - are our soldiers really scared of being abandoned in the field, or is it just the women of the Wooten blog and their assorted cowardly kkkonservative chickenhawk associates??
By getalife
February 18, 2007 02:13 PM | Link to this
When will GA sell their lottery?
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 02:15 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
Here’s what the Washington Post has to say about Nom Compis Mentis Murtha.
Mr. Murtha’s cynicism is matched by an alarming ignorance about conditions in Iraq. He continues to insist that Iraq “would be more stable with us out of there,” in spite of the consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies that early withdrawal would produce “massive civilian casualties.” He says he wants to force the administration to “bulldoze” the Abu Ghraib prison, even though it was emptied of prisoners and turned over to the Iraqi government last year. He wants to “get our troops out of the Green Zone” because “they are living in Saddam Hussein’s palace”; could he be unaware that the zone’s primary occupants are the Iraqi government and the U.S. Embassy?
By @@
February 18, 2007 02:15 PM | Link to this
Getalife:
You can’t count on ml to deliver, but you can count on me.
There’s a “Boehn er” something for you too.
Boehner Closing Floor Speech on Iraq Resolution
“Madame Speaker, at this very moment, American troops are fighting radical Islamic terrorists thousands of miles away. It is unthinkable that United States Congress would move to discredit their mission, cut off their reinforcements, and deny them the resources they need to succeed and return home safely.
“The American people will not support a strategy that involves pulling the rug out from under American troops in the combat zone by cutting off their reinforcements and forcing them to face the enemy without our full support.
Up with Wooten, down with ml.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 02:19 PM | Link to this
Woops, that was the wrong Murtha link^^^^. That was the one about the troops living in luxurious palaces.
Here’s the Hume versus Murtha smackdown.
By If I was a Soldier I'd be Scared
February 18, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this
But I’m not.
I’m just a girl.
Named Andi.
A curl-y girl.
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By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this
And make that “NON compis mentis”.
By getalife
February 18, 2007 02:24 PM | Link to this
Yes, The Post is going wingnut
@@,
Boner bawling on the floor was hilarious.
Whining wingnuts, geez.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 02:24 PM | Link to this
Arrrrrgggggh. I’m turning into Cartman.
Final correction:
John Murtha is NON COMPOS MENTIS.
By Jim Wooten
February 18, 2007 02:27 PM | Link to this
RW @ 12:33: Good catch, sir. It is backwards. It should read: Putting aside money in the good years would have carried the state through the lean.
By GOP Pack of Jackals
February 18, 2007 02:32 PM | Link to this
Boner represents a wide swath of the GOP - whiny crybaby girly-men.
Bunch of disgusting poofs.
By getalife
February 18, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this
Speaking of senile…………..
Jim,
You still have a job?
By Boy or a Girly-man?
February 18, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this
Is Bi Danish a boy or a girly-man?
In the words of the former Secretary of Defense - “who knows???”
By Yellow-bellied Saps
February 18, 2007 02:37 PM | Link to this
You know, the cowards and crybabies still buying Bush’s bullshiite.
By @@
February 18, 2007 02:41 PM | Link to this
Oops, I was gonna have a little fun with Getalife’s 2:24, but I see Jim is on the board.
So it’s best I just ease on outta here, before temptation gets the best of me.
Jim: Thanks for the SR 20 link. I’ll send the husband for a sparkplug before I read it.
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this
Jim,
You’re welcome sir! Who says blogs don’t have editors?
By @@
February 18, 2007 02:46 PM | Link to this
Are Our Soldiers Scared??:
They would be wise to be scared. It sharpens their skills.
Have you heard some of the responses they’ve given to the Iraq Resolution.
They used the words, disheartening, frustrating, the term “slap in the face” was included.
One of them even referenced the liberal media. “If the liberal media would only show the good that’s happening. We see it everyday, we think the American people would be behind our efforts.”
I’m sure it’s out there on video, I haven’t been able to find them, but I saw it with my own two eyes and heard it with my own two ears.
But then you’ll probably say they were “forced” to say it, “paid” to say it, or “afraid” not to say it.
No, they’re not afraid to speak the truth.
It’s just too bad the Democrats don’t want to see it.
By Are Our Soldiers Scared??
February 18, 2007 03:05 PM | Link to this
@@,
Aside from red state rednecks such as yourself, the American people have decided that the efforts of the soldiers in Iraq are not working, and will never produce the desired results. In fact, our continued participation in the Iraq fiasco only worsens the threat of terrorism and is gutting our country’s economic future. Our military serves the American people, not the other way around.
And you beg the question about our soldiers - some are disheartened, frustrated, angry - but are they scared, or is it just you gals here?
And these soldiers that you mention - did you see them standing next to your bed with your buddy Jeezus?
By Gracie
February 18, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this
SR 20 is a typical Republican proposal. Republican legislators want to amend the Georgia constitution to require a simple majority to enact draconian Republican legislation, but require a two-thirds majority to enact Democratic legislation. For example, throwing children off of PeachCare requires a simple majority. However, under the amendment that Wooten is promoting, restoring eligibility to PeachCare would require the Governor to declare an emergency and require a two-thirds vote in both houses.
What’s next? I’m sure they’ll eventually get around to seeking an amendment to require a super majority to raise taxes. Therefore, pandering to seniors by eliminating state income taxes of citizens over 65 who are still collecting a paycheck (while the rest of working Georgians make up the difference) will require a simple majority. Rolling back such inequitable tax cuts would require a two-thirds vote.
These Republicans complain about Venezuela’s Chavez, but they’re just as bad. They get into power, and they do whatever it takes to keep it – even if it means seeking to limit the ability of future legislatures to enact legislation as they see fit.
By @@
February 18, 2007 03:48 PM | Link to this
AOSS:
It doesn’t really take me THAT long to pick my little garden in the summertime. Not long enough for my neck to get red. If I spent longer hours working out there, I guess you would be able to call me a redneck. I’ve never really found anything disparaging about the term though, if that was your intention.
I guess you, being thousands of miles from Iraq, know more about what’s going on there, than our soldiers in the field. Are you one of the three monkeys; choosing not to see, speak, or hear any positives; but uncover all three senses to receive the evil Bush sucks stimuli?
I find it “disheartening” that you would say that we are not here to serve our military and that it is only a one way street. That truly is sad in my opinion.
There was an awful lot of fear exhibited in your first paragraph. Are you sure you’re not projecting here. I can honestly say that I’m not afraid of anything other than the possibility that the radical left may set foreign policy and guide decisions on our national defense.
I’m not really all that afraid of you. I just find the radical left to be a fly stuck in the ointment of American politics.
I’ve never seen Jesus. Well, I have seen the one that drops in over at ml’s every now and then. I find him hilariously funny with his “IMPEACH BUSH NOW” posts. He’s short and to the point. Doesn’t waste anybody’s time, like you just did mine.
By Devastator
February 18, 2007 03:51 PM | Link to this
@@,
You must have seen that soldier report on Fox News. It is not good to be scared, but it is good to be alert. If they are scared then that means they see the stupidity in the war their fighting.
By Magneto
February 18, 2007 03:59 PM | Link to this
Boy or girly man,
Buy Danish is a woman, but she’s probably too chicken $hit to answer you.
P.S. Dusty is also a female. Two right wing kooks.
By Thinking Clearly
February 18, 2007 04:00 PM | Link to this
After the article in the AJC today about railroad subsidies, when will we see an article from ol’ Jim against them? Like he is against rail subsidies for commuters.
I see that he is not against subsidies for highways. What’s the difference?
By @@
February 18, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this
Devastator:
Hey, what happened to the “The” you said you were going to place before your name? Did you realize your own limitations?
Actually, the question to which they responded was regarding the Iraq Resolution, so I think it would be more accurate to say they were responding to the “stupidity” of Congress.
I agree with them.
By Devastator
February 18, 2007 04:12 PM | Link to this
@@,
I decide to drop the “The” because my handle says it all. I don’t need to prove anything to can’tservatives.
It’s still a stupid war.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this
Metrosexual Mary Magnento,
Why on Earth would I bother respond to Boy or Girly Man who had 2 guesses and got both wrong?
But hey, go ahead and set up a virtual pen pal relationship with her. Maybe it will lead to something that will bring you happiness at last.
By Huge
February 18, 2007 04:29 PM | Link to this
bigot and ricky, you ignorant sluts.
Leave it to you two useless, stuntingly stupid, chickenhawk neo-cons to evade and dodge.
It must be in your ilk’s DNA, like the head neo-con himself. Given a chance to demonstrate his courage, honor, and sacrifice to the nation, he chose instead to just get daddy to get him an assignment to the Texas ANG, even though others were in line ahead of him. Then he used that opportunity to disappear and hide out in Alabama while stumping for some useless republican hack until the killing in SE Asia was over.
All of you gutless never-served, never will serve, bastard$ are the same. Mooches and poosies.
I asked the three or four of you remaining neo-cons over at Luckovich’s, as well as that human pos Markie Mark here, to define American conservatism and every single one of you cowards and dirty, never-served neo-cons couldn’t come up with ONE example. NOT ONE. Not then. Not now. Not ever.
Unless one counts that neo-con dropping/pearl of wisdom the bigot trotted out, “peace through strength”.
WTF does that mean? I’ll tell you. It means you don’t have a freaking clue, dumba$$, nor do you have anything to prove it.
Sound bites and slogans and idiotic, trite phrases. That’s all you fools have ever spouted. That and unforeseen depths of incompetence, bigotry and corruption.
The fact is all of you mental midgets are afraid to look even more stupid than you already do. So you won’t even venture a try at defining the term with specific examples. Because it is already exceedingly clear that NONE of you douche bags are even remotely close to being real conservatives. You lack the moral fiber and intelligence. And you have not an inkling of what conservatism entails.
How did you awful lying excuses for Americans get this way?
Poor and/or non-existent parenting? Sleeping through school? Living off of the government? And dodging service to the nation in the Armed Forces?
But the great news is that after 12 short years, you’ve already been thrown into the trash heap of American politics. And last November’s elections prove that rational Americans have grown sick of you incompetent and deadly neo-con fools. You will never again have any significant voice in this country, Except for the intellectual back waters of talk radio and in skinhead organizations.
So like the KKK and the Nazis before you, sing your swan song, neo-cons! Sing it loud! It’s the ONLY thing you’ve ever uttered that is worth listening to.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend, twits! Poor losers, sitting pathetically at your keyboards, blogging every single hour of every single day of your worthless little neo-con lives!
By Magneto
February 18, 2007 04:29 PM | Link to this
Bi Danish,
I see this idiotic war has affected your social skills. Never fear warmonger, I’m sure some more troops will die soon and that will bring you happiness.
By @@
February 18, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this
Is it mullet season in D.C.? They’re a bait fish, aren’t they? The kind that find themselves on a hook?
Senate Democrats mull changes to Iraq resolution
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 04:37 PM | Link to this
By Huge
{{{February 18, 2007 04:29 PM | Link to this
bigot and ricky, you ignorant sluts.}}}
Huge Blowhard speaks! Such a sweet, moderate blowhard he is, too.
Metrosexual Mary Magnento,
GFY loser. This war will end when the deranged IslamoFascist savages are defeated. Oh happy day!
By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 04:37 PM | Link to this
By Huge February 18, 2007 04:29 PM Enjoy the rest of your weekend, twits! Poor losers, sitting pathetically at your keyboards, blogging every single hour of every single day of your worthless little neo-con lives!
Small: I’m pretty sure the very definition of loser would be an obviously frustrated, angry liberal idiot (you must have witnessed a bunch of people leaving Church, huh?) writing a fourteen paragraph tirade against Conservatives not being able to “define” themselves, whatever the hell that means.
Think about how ignorant the very premise of that is.
Like you’re some authority on how Conservatives think.
Loser.
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By Devastator
February 18, 2007 04:40 PM | Link to this
63 dead as a result of explosion today.
So much for the “surge”. This is the dumbest, most idiotic, and deadly situation our country has found itself in since Vietnam.
Thanks Can’tservatives.
By Magistrate
February 18, 2007 04:46 PM | Link to this
Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army’s Top Medical Facility
Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan’s room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.
This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss. But the old lodge, just outside the gates of the hospital and five miles up the road from the White House, has housed hundreds of maimed soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
…The wounded manage other wounded. Soldiers dealing with psychological disorders of their own have been put in charge of others at risk of suicide. …
“We’ve done our duty. We fought the war. We came home wounded. Fine. But whoever the people are back here who are supposed to give us the easy transition should be doing it,” said Marine Sgt. Ryan Groves, 26, an amputee who lived at Walter Reed for 16 months. “We don’t know what to do. The people who are supposed to know don’t have the answers. It’s a nonstop process of stalling.”
By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 04:55 PM | Link to this
I guess that answers the question of whether Blowhard got any this weekend. I told “One Ape” to quit throwing around the c-word.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 04:58 PM | Link to this
WootenDull,
I see that Blow Blowhard has been inspired by rushncap, using the “ilk” word, and it took him 14 paragraphs to have a tantrum and stomp his feet like the Big Bratty Baby that he is.
He is spiralling out of control, just like the original parrot.
If they had any friends they would stage an intervention before it’s too late.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 05:07 PM | Link to this
RW,
You’re right! You did predict that would happen.
By WootenDull
February 18, 2007 05:10 PM | Link to this
By Devastator February 18, 2007 04:40 PM 63 dead as a result of explosion today. So much for the “surge”. This is the dumbest, most idiotic, and deadly situation our country has found itself in since Vietnam.
Dullestator: 500 of the 21,500 troops have been moved to Baghdad so far, suppose we gave the surge a chance?
Already Mookie’s hauled a-ss and all we had to do was say we were coming.
Those 63 dead were killed for you, moron, so you could harass our president for Al Qaeda.
You’re like the terrorist’s spokeswomen.
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By RW-(the original)
February 18, 2007 05:17 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
Can you imagine ending up at a social event with those two and Thomas the Talk Engine?
It must be hell to go through life so miserable all the time.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 05:23 PM | Link to this
This is a great story about how quadraplegics could walk again, without using embryonic stem cells.AND withoutpaying women to donate their eggs to science, risking death and infertility in the process.
Editorial comment:
I find it curious that the same people who justify partial birth abortion to save the “life and health” of the mother have no problem risking the life and health of potential mothers.
By Buy Danish
February 18, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this
RW,
Imagine all that and N-GA serving beef tips and bragging about how much the wine cost.
Actually it sounds like a comedy routine now that I think of it.
By @@
February 18, 2007 05:51 PM | Link to this
Oh my goodness. It looks like Huge blew in and blew out like a raging tornado. Was he even discussed prior to his visit here?
I’ve always gotten the impression that Huge views the constitution as a living, breathing document. I reach this conclusion based on his social views. He would see it as liberal poetry rather than a legal document.
I’ve never felt that a conservative would view it that way. Makes me question his conservative convictions.
But somewhere out there Huge seems to think there is a hard and fast definition for conservative. There can be no wind shift. Somewhere deep down in his vortex is where we will find it. NOT!
By Are Our Soldiers Scared??
February 18, 2007 05:59 PM | Link to this
One more time, @@, you beg the question.
Are our soldiers scared, or is it just you yellow-bellies hiding under your beds waiting for Al Qaeda to fly an airliner into your filthy trailer park?
Please answer the question.
By jm
February 18, 2007 06:05 PM | Link to this
I find all this commentary about “cutting off” funding for the troops in Iraq somewhat comical. If you want to be realistic, the Bush Administration and the Republican (now Democratic) Congress are not funding the troops now, nor have they been. They have been “borrowing” the money from China, Japan, Saudi Arabia and other countries, passing the buck on paying for this for future generations (and politicians) to pay for. Study your history. Most of the taxes that the federal government has enacted throughout the years has been to pay for wars. From the excise tax on whiskey for the revolution, the first income tax for the civil war to the inheritance tax for the Spanish American War. If this is, as many of you proclaim, the great existential war of our life times, then why is no one seriously arguing the financial costs or the means to pay for it.
On a side note, I really would like to know what they teach in those MBA programs that President Bush took at Harvard.
By JohnD
February 19, 2007 08:54 AM | Link to this
Facts for CJ
WWI, WWI, The Korean Conflict, and The Viet Nam War - what do they all have in common? All started under Dem administrations. The US never lost a battle in Viet Nam yet left without victory due to the massive propaganda campaign against the war here in the US.
Now to the 90’s and the administration of The Great Prevaricator when the US was repeatedly attacked and President “Pants Around His Ankles” did nothing to respond. Even given the chance to take the head off the Al Qaeda animal he did nothing.
During the Clinton years each and every Dem leader spoke on the need to remove Saddam Hussein from power, yet when the move was made these same “leaders” began their campaign to subvert the effort. Kerry, Albright, H. Clinton, Kennedy - all of them are on the record on the need to take out Hussein yet they change their spots when political power is at stake.
George Bush and his lackeys are nothing more than big government liberals calling themselves conservatives. They push a few hot buttons with a small number of their supporters but on the real conservative issues the Bushies are failures.
Both parties are proponents of a one world economy designed to destroy international borders and eliminate the traditional US culture and way of life.
True conservatives would have closed our borders to attack from illegals, eliminated the income tax, made government smaller, initiated rules of engagement in Iraq that would allow our troops to prevail and passed laws to encourage individual effort and success.
Government has never eliminated debt and balanced a budget. The economy does that and our biggest asset is a free people with a free economy, unhindered by onerous taxes and government regulation. To accuse this administration of sending jobs overseas is as dull-minded and shallow as most Liberal thought. The jobs leave because the tax structure forces the move and because the Liberal idea of “a right to” a living wage is absurd.
Another great Liberal catchphrase is “Corporate Welfare” in the tax system. Corporations do not pay taxes! The tax, for whatever purpose and at whatever level is passed through to the consumer in higher prices. I assume you know who the consumer is in the US. Yes, the individuals who consume.
One of your Liberal brethren was pushing a revitalization project in our little suburban Atlanta town with the idea that “taxes will not be raised - the money will come from government grants”. Gee, did she ever stop to think where this free gov’t grant money was coming from, and from whom?
I could go on but I hope even you can see the folly in your positions and comments, CJ.
By Political Witness
February 19, 2007 09:22 AM | Link to this
We’ve had 43 presidents. We think Lincoln was our greatest. Washington a close second; (both administrations totally defined by war).
What about Bush? Is he a great president? I think we love this man, and see him as family.
Bush is the Iraq War. Can we call Bush a great president if the war succeeds? Look at how impossible that question is. Success in Iraq is an unfortunate phrase. Success in Iraq could mean no Iraq, or three Iraqs, or a nuclear wasteland, or fill in the blank with jibberish.
Look at who the enemy is. See how impossible that is. The word enemy is even too vague to start a discussion about resistance to Bush’s plan for Success In Iraq. Bush’s plan. Success in Iraq. Enemy.
Whatever you say about Iraq is correct, and incorrect, and half right, and three quarters wrong, and irrelevant, and yet dead spot on…
Kurds. Throw in the word Kurd in any discussion of Iraq, and suddenly no matter how close to a solution you thought you had achieved, you are back to square one.
Is this Bush’s fault? The effects of Iraq War are inciting a palpable change in the awareness of Americans for each other. We are closer now, but we’re not communicating cooperation and friendship. Instead, we do savage primeval inspections of each other (like when the hand shake was used to search a person for weapons). The way the gun laws are evolving, I predict sustained shootouts on our highways fueled by mass road rage, as our traffic is forced to confront itself. Road rage is more contagious than smallpox.
The next stage in America’s Story is going to be cruel. We are lining up on different sides of a vague tribal divide: us vs them, with the intersects few and far between. The internet did this. The war aggravated it.
The Daytona 500 is our oracle. We will experience the finish line upside down and on fire.
By Joe L
February 19, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
“The US never lost a battle in Viet Nam yet left without victory due to the massive propaganda campaign against the war here in the US.”
Spoken like someone who has no clue how asymmetrical warfare works. You can’t defeat any enemy you can’t find and kill. You can’t bomb enemy emplacements when they don’t have any. You can’t seize and hold enemy territory when every inch is enemy territory. You can’t defeat an insurgent guerilla force without complete and total control of every person, house, corner, vehicle, etc. in the country and doing that takes a totalitarian force equivalent to the “evil” one we just deposed. Welcome to the hell that is Iraq and why we will not succeed given the mess that shrub has made of it.
The “surge” is going to “work” because there is no enemy to find and target if they don’t attack. All they do is wait until you aren’t around and attack again. Or they move elsewhere and attack there.
By John E.
February 19, 2007 02:30 PM | Link to this
What is wrong with you Wingnut Neocons?
Do you actually believe that there is such a thing as “victory” in Iraq?
The Shiites and the Sunni’s have been fighting for over 1300 yrs about who succeeded Momammed you idiots. What makes you think that W. and Cheney are going to just drop in on them and give them Democracy?
…and where are those WMD’S anyway?? and how about Osama Bin Laden,where is he at wingnuts? remember him,the guy who is actually responsible for 9/11.
You Southern “Earl’s” are just plain stupid,pull your heads out will ya?
I’m wondering,is the GOP nominee for President in 08 going to let the worldwide unpopular W. and Cheney stump for them?
I can’t wait for these pro-war Republicans to go back to their home states and tell their people that they voted YES for the Iraq war again.
The Republic Party doesn’t stand a chance at the 08 President’s job thanks to your heroes George Jr. and Cheney and your going to lose more seats in Congress because of them.
See ya in 2012 Republic Party!!!