Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

February 16, 2007 08:05 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

Any Georgia Republican or Democrat who supports the House resolution opposing the deployment of additional troops to Iraq should be defeated. For most Democrats in the delegation, it’s a free-ride, a no-consequence vote. At the voting booth, anyway

I agree. If the Congress feels the President’s policy is wrong, they should have the guts to cut off the funds and bring the troops home. This non-binding resolution is just what one would expect from a Congress without the courage to exercise its power to declare war, as the Constitution provides for (despite the argument of the false constitutional originalist, pundit Sean Hannity) in the first place. Since 1941, the Congress has not had the courage to declare war and we have been successful on NOT ONE of the conflicts by resolution in which we have been engaged. Oh, well…we have to be concerned with how to protect our lunches and trips and other perks provided by lobbyists, not to mention how we can get around the campaign contributions regulations so that we can get re-elected for the umpteeth time!

Further, there can be no argument…George W. Bush’s legacy is dependent upon Iraq. Domestically, he is, at best, a grade “C” president. If this surge fails, he may beat out Warren G. Harding for last place in the line of Republican chief executives.

I suspect that had “Georgie” Bush had been President of the United States from 1861-65, people would know who George McClellan was, no one would have ever heard of Condoleezza Rice or Colin Powell, and we would be about to elect the 25th President of the Confederate States of America.

By Jim Wooten

February 16, 2007 08:12 AM | Link to this

You’re wicked this morning, Philosopher. Most fiscal conservatives would agree with your domestic letter grade of “C” for George Bush.

By Rod

February 16, 2007 08:17 AM | Link to this

Jim, you’re getting more and more out of touch with reality.

1) You don’t care about the “first this” or “first that” because you’re a wealthy, white male who never had to overcome anything. Have respect for others.

2) Over 70% of the country disagrees with you here! Sending more US Soldiers to die isn’t the answer. Georgie is finally having this beaten in to him.

3) You’re actually complaining about honoring civil rights figures because the Democrats brought it up? Get over yourself.

4) You think Mr. Sims should now stop caring about the people he represents simply because he’s a Republican? I know that’s your brand of Republicanism – screw the poor.

5) You think the public has not lost confidence in Iraq? What rock have you been hiding under? That slaughter last November really messed with your head!

Jim – why do you continue to voice your bigoted, racist voice on here? Again, if someone’s not white with money, you want them discarded. Pathetic. Hate to tell you – Jesus wasn’t white or had money. What do you think he’ll do when he sees you?

By Jim's a Distractor

February 16, 2007 08:24 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim,

Just so we’re clear here…

In your second blurb, what you’re saying is that anyone who disagrees with the President should be defeated electorally and deprived of their voice?

Is that what I’m hearing?

Because I have a totally different take on Democracy. The view that I have, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is that citizens and their elected officials are obliged to speak out - dissent, if you will - when they feel that government is heading in the wrong direction or otherwise mis-representing their wishes.

But what I’m hearing from you is that citizens and their elected representatives are morally bound to the decisions of the President, and obliged to keep their traps shut.

Is that right?

For the record, I think you’re missing the point of the resolution, and trying to sping it in a typically negative light so it suits your pre-defined ideology…the point is to say, on the record, that the House thinks the President is wrong on this one.

I may have to check with your big headed friend Newt on this. He seems to have a good grip on representative forms of Democracy.

I think he’d agree with me. It’s their right. It’s my right.

By KR

February 16, 2007 08:27 AM | Link to this

Hope scholarship for home schooled students? Absolutely!

However, I propose that ALL students have to pass a State administered test to qualify for Hope funds. It is fair to all students (home schooled or not) and hopefully eliminates the charity grading that exists in some schools.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 08:30 AM | Link to this

Rod:

NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT YOU!! Government should be about making itself as SMALL as possible while protecting individual liberty and enforcing individual responsibility.

By J

February 16, 2007 08:34 AM | Link to this

On Iraq, and Jim’s declaration that our elected representatives (and by extension, all of us) should shut up, I prefer to simply quote Rep. David Obey from Wisconsin: “I, for one, am tired of those who’ve been consistently wrong about this war lecturing those of us who’ve been right.”

I agree, because I’ve also been consistently right about this war, even as my patriotism has been repeatedly impugned for, you know, having and expressing my own opinion. Too bad it’s taken over 3,000 dead soldiers for a lot of the American public to catch on.

By Grampus

February 16, 2007 08:36 AM | Link to this

Listen up all you politicians and so called civic leaders: No one is going to ride your little streetcar or use the bike path if it doesn’t take them anywhere they want to be.

People can get down town now if they want. The problem is that they don’t want to because there is no need for them to be there. Ball games, fish in a tank, a history of carbonated beverages, a house a very famous person lived in, panhandlers, and a perception of being unsafe aren’t going to keep the crowds coming back.

You can post all the old photographs of streetcars and crowds in the street you want, but those people weren’t riding the streetcars and milling around because they had nothing better to do. They were there to browse, to shop, to eat, to work, to go to a movie, to socialize. In other words, they had a reason to be there, not just go there. There isn’t much reason to be downtown anymore, so why go? Work on that first. So, get it right or you are wasting your time and our money. Damn it, why do I have to keep explaining these things over and over.

By jim d

February 16, 2007 08:47 AM | Link to this

Scuse me Mr. Wooten?

” tax credit for contributions “

Have you really thought this one through?

Let me splain –Lucy,

Tax credit vs. Existing tax deduction for contributions to a non-profit = Greater savings to contributors = greater shortfalls in tax revenues = more middle class taxes to make up the shortfalls.

Private money already exists and with the needs more will become available. The problem being that Government doesn’t control it.

Why do politians feel a need to control funding to private schools? Well, they’ve worked out a method of destroying public education (NCLB) and now must find a way to control private education so they can accomplish their goals of dumbing down america. Once that is accomplished we can look forward to an all out war against homeschoolers.

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.pdf

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 08:47 AM | Link to this

On to Mr. Wooten’s topics, and I do apologize for the rant against Rod and his selfish post.

1) There still remains one first I am searching for: First true “small government” (and more specifically Jeffersonian Republican) 2008 Presidential Candidate

2) All the resolution is is more political posturing. Take a crap or get off the pot. They’ve wasted enough time already. HOWEVER, at least when they’re wasting time they are not continueing to enlarge government, so there IS a plus to the posturing!

3) I’m abuot sick and tired of all these “plans” that are to be effected after the current term of the politician involved. More political posturing. BUT, see #2….

4) Political hack judge vs political war zone that most county commissions are…. hmmmmm… neither is a good choice.

5) Zoning-only townships ARE a decent start. That said, however, there are many “towns” in the Phoenix area that exclude people because of age and other factors. I’m all for people congregating on their own in whatever form they want. But I don’t believe any form of government should be involved. Either in promoting it or stopping it.

6) Agreed. The Democrats controlled the Statehouse for roughly 30 yrs post-Civil Rights Era. Why wasn’t anything done then? And why do we still make such a big deal out of it? YOU’VE GOT EQUAL RIGHTS! STOP TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF MORE EQUAL!

7) Raising taxes is NEVER a good idea. And if we’re raising them on FOOD… wouldn’t that HURT the very people it is trying to help???

8) Agreed. Bigger taxes generally equal bigger government, which is why BOTH should be as small as possible.

9) Do we really want to trust government with ANOTHER pot of money to dip its greedy fingers in? Do we really want to cede control of our private schools to the government? Government money comes with government strings. See the Get Schooled discussion on this from earlier this week…

10) The problem is that many of our PUBLIC school kids can’t do the work! I’m being more and more convinced to make it a reimbursement system for ALL…. at least for the first year. (Or maybe even a reverse-reimbursement: if you flunk out, you pay back the money the government fronted you.)

11) Agreed. A stable base in Iraq gives us a MUCH stronger staging/ launching area to go after both Iran and Syria. Even though our air capabilities can put us anywhere on the globe pretty reliably, there still has to be boots on dirt. And said boots need a land based quick strike staging area, not some HALO jump into enemy fire.

By Czar

February 16, 2007 08:48 AM | Link to this

Cheney/Bush had access to the world’s most brilliant strategists after 911. They realized that there were no real consequences for occupying Iraq. The nation building gambit is actually working. There’s been enough time for real military opposition to develop in Iraq. It’s not there, because there’s no resources to sustain any military threat to our presence.

We are winning because the enemy isn’t winning. We’ll be there for generations, but so what?

We have to start accepting our Iraqi friends for the tribal-feuding weekend terrorists they truly are and just let the dust settle over the next few decades.

The non-binding resolution debate revealed to me that the opposition to Bush is simply partisan campaign voguing. Not one valid reason for leaving was given. All the democrats had was statistics. So many casualties. So many months of war.

Without 911, this occupation is still justified. We caught the enemy, (whoever the enemy is), with their pants down, and no sustainable countermeasure can materialize.

This is what Cheney/Bush knew going in: If they could weather the media storm, they could save the world.

The justification for the Iraq War, then, is to secure the ancient trade routes for the intra-global explosion of commerce and trade.

Good job, Cheney/Bush.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 08:52 AM | Link to this

War cry babies:

3,000 dead in 3 years IN A COMBAT ENVIRONMENT is NOTHING compared to the DOZENS of thousands that die every year in non-natural, NON-COMBAT deaths here in the US.

By Jim's a Distractor

February 16, 2007 08:55 AM | Link to this

Distractor,

I agree that they should cut the funding, but unfortunately the Republicans have put everyone in their respective corners on this whole “support the troops thing”.

If the Democrats do cut the funding, then they’re “not supporting the troops” and the Republicans can make hay.

So what they’re doing instead is going on the record with an official resolution of disapproval, but allowing the funding to continue so that the “troops may be supported”.

It’s pure politics, and I’m sure you understand that. Washington is not black and white. It’s gray.

By jim d

February 16, 2007 08:56 AM | Link to this

The fantasies that got us into, and stuck, in Iraq. Here it is:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB214/index.htm

By Rod

February 16, 2007 08:58 AM | Link to this

Hey Jeff - saw you insulted me then ran. Try and be a man and make an argument. SPECIFICALLY what did I say that justified your inane comment that “not everything is about me”? Huh?

That was a stupid comment. Again, Specifically - what did I state that was just about me? Try nothing! (jerkwad)

By Richard

February 16, 2007 09:01 AM | Link to this

Jeff, why dont you get your sorry-a$$, illiteral body out of the country if you dont like it! You want a small government? GO TO A SMALL COUNTRY!!! When you’ve got 280 million people, it takes a big government, jack2$$.

By Richard

February 16, 2007 09:01 AM | Link to this

Jeff, why dont you get your sorry-a$$, illiteral body out of the country if you dont like it! You want a small government? GO TO A SMALL COUNTRY!!! When you’ve got 280 million people, it takes a big government, jack2$$.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 09:06 AM | Link to this

Rod,

I’m right here dude. Haven’t gone anywhere.

Specifically your comment:

Jim – why do you continue to voice your bigoted, racist voice on here? Again, if someone’s not white with money, you want them discarded.

Sounds selfish every time I hear it. In essence, all you’re saying is “You hurt my feelings and I know nothing better than to call you names!”

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 09:12 AM | Link to this

Richard:

“illiteral”? explain please. Seems to me you may be illiterate.

Why do people resort to so much name calling? DEBATE ON THE MERITS OF THE FACTS PLEASE!

By Renee

February 16, 2007 09:13 AM | Link to this

What a load of pathetic, cum-sucking idiotic remarks out of JEFF.

You said: “3,000 dead in 3 years IN A COMBAT ENVIRONMENT is NOTHING”

BULLSH1T !! It’s something to the families of all those soldiers that died for no reason - you piece of sh1t!!! You should be shot and killed yourself for spitting at those soldiers who were lost in this tragedy, all because little bush wanted to play big. My son is still over there and I’m just sitting here waiting on him to die - and you mock him and his buddies!!! Why don’t you sign up and go over there big man?!?!?!

Jeff, take a long walk off a short pier.

By Rod

February 16, 2007 09:15 AM | Link to this

Jeff, what a lame argument. You’re new to the blog - haven’t seen you before. And yes, if you have read this blog for the past several months, everything Jim says is bashing minorities. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but I’m a white male too - I just choose not to bash blacks or poor folks like Jim.

What’s selfish about looking out for others? Nothing. Grow up.

By Bill

February 16, 2007 09:18 AM | Link to this

Jeff, you started the insults when you attacked Rod without merit.

Look in the mirror before you bash others.

By Brian Curtis

February 16, 2007 09:21 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure Wooten understands the concept of representative democracy. He says that anyone of either party who votes for a resolution he dislikes should be voted out of office.

Why? Are they not representing the people of their district with such a vote, regardless of Jim Wooten’s personal preferences?

But then, the modern neocon doesn’t really have much use for democracy anyway. It can really interfere with plans for empire.

By JP

February 16, 2007 09:25 AM | Link to this

“Any Georgia Republican or Democrat who supports the House resolution opposing the deployment of additional troops to Iraq should be defeated. For most Democrats in the delegation, it’s a free-ride, a no-consequence vote. At the voting booth, anyway.”

I’m voting AGAINST anyone who does NOT support this motion. America demands action from Congress and accountability from Bush, but Georgia doesn’t?

Give me a break.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 09:25 AM | Link to this

Renee:

I know more people over there than your son. Two of my best friends are there, and several other friends I’ve known for YEARS.

The difference between me and most civilians in this country is that even though I am a civilian, I understand war. I understand what goes through the minds of those that VOLUNTARILY sign the dotted line to join one of the highest callings in our country. I understand because I’ve been there. And could have very well been in Iraq right now. Heck, I WANTED to be. But got medically DQ’s at MEPS. So I do everything I can on this end to support them, INCLUDING debating those of you who have no clue what it is actually like. Those who would never have the GUTS to even THINK about going to Parris Island, South Carolina - much less Iraq.

Watch buddies die in combat? Check. The streets of America are FAR more dangerous than the COMBAT ZONE in Iraq. Don’t believe me? What was the city of Atlanta’s non-natural death toll in the past 3 years? I can almost garauntee you it is higher than 3,000… and there are a similar amount of troops in Iraq as there are people in Atlanta. Now spread that across the entire US…. THAT is my point above. When those of you crying about dead soldiers start crying just as vocally about your dead neighbor, I’ll start paying more attention. The soldier CHOSE to sign the dotted line, KNOWING that their life could very well be the price. You neighbor signed NOTHING, and the only thing s/he did knowing that it could cost them their life was live.

By JP

February 16, 2007 09:26 AM | Link to this

• This president won’t be the one to launch war against Iran — and not because the public has lost confidence on Iraq, as suggested by U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Macon) — but because Iraq should be far more settled before the United States acts decisively to counter the nuclear threat that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad represents. The United States cannot leave the region, however, with Iran and Syria emboldened.

Don’t worry—Israel will take the lead when they’re ready. And really, they are such emboldenable people. hahaha!

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 09:29 AM | Link to this

will someone PLEASE explain to Rod that I was aming the first 10 posters on Thinking Right WHEN IT DEBUTED??

Bill: Rod attacked Mr. Wooten without merit. I simply called him on it.

By Edwin Williams

February 16, 2007 09:34 AM | Link to this

Brian - Wooten does understand the concept of representative government, I assure you. What you don’t understand is that we elect them to do what is right, and not what is at the moment expedient!

By time for the truth

February 16, 2007 09:39 AM | Link to this

when jesus sees you snivelling moron rod he’ll just kick you real hard in the bollocks … assuming both jesus (and your bollocks) actually exist … smirk

Like John Lennon (see the excellent minimalist Plastic Ono Band album) I do NOT believe in jesus or mohammed or any other made up man made profits! (gedditt??).

I can go to heaven any time I want - I have UK passport … watch the hateful bigoted lefties suggest I leave. But its my country now … so I’ll just stay and enjoy goading y’all a wee bit more!!

mercilessly factually goading the greasy leftist ignoramus t** was hugely amusing yesterday. we saw just how a typical bad (liberal) american?? thinks (if you can call it that). no concern for his supposedly fellow americans. just endless greasy bleating and whining about the illegals and their freeloading/snouts in the welfare/healthcare/education trough infestation of america. after it lost the debate it then hilariously and gutlessly hurled equally ignorant/uninformed anti-British bigotry in a fabulously extended petulant hissy fit!!

it sure seems to me that t** aint no american but is some kind of oily illegal type who has NO regard at all for the laws of this country or the taxpayers of this country or the citizens/children of this country who are having their education destroyed by the massive, never ending illegal invasion of poorly educated socially backward mexican types. lets hope t** meets up real soon with some naughty beastly MS 13 thugs - illegals in every sense of the word - who dont have car insurance, or driving licences or pay taxes and are so socially backward they sleep in the bath in their housing project “cribs”.

for decades the blacks in S Fulton have been literally mugging the tax paying folks in N Fulton … now its payback time, big time in the soon to be Milton County. This is going to be freaking hilarious to watch!! The endless screeching about racism and being oppressed by whitey should be turned into a comedy show … wait - silly me - it already has … its called the Fulton Co Commission!!

At least Milton Co folks wont be paying for the appallingly expensive, endemic incompetence of black run institutions like Fulton jail and the sheriffs dept, Atlanta water, Atlanta libraries and the endless pathetic very costly attempts to try and get anyone to visit the worthless, crime ridden dump called the underground etc.

nice to see Inbred Rednekkk is still ‘out there’, driving its stolen beer truck, if I see you on the road Inbred I’ll be sure to get several dozen illegal mexican types to crash into you, but only if they’ve cashed in their car insurance.

By Curious Observer

February 16, 2007 09:41 AM | Link to this

I see that big-mouthed Jeff is ranting again. It’s a pity he got medically DQed. His is one body I would love to see in a flag-draped coffin dropped off in Maryland in the middle of the night. Probably a cyst or something similar deprived him of service. The rest of us who went to Parris Island, took our beatings, and served honorably throughout the term of our enlistments tend to hold people like him, TFTT, Markus, and other warmongers in the contempt they deserve. They wouldn’t last five minutes in the stress of military service, but they feel free to attempt to intimidate those with views different from their own.

Grow up, Jeff. You write and think like a street punk. And an immature punk is all you are. You dishonor the cause for which those men and women are dying.

By getalife

February 16, 2007 09:51 AM | Link to this

Jim,

I read the AJC is laying off some employees

You retiring?

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 09:55 AM | Link to this

Curious:

Actually, I write like a well reasoned lawyer (though admittedly get over emotional at times), fight like a battle hardened Marine, love like Casanova, and generally carry myself as a good old fashioned urban Southern gentleman.

You and the rest of your ilk are the ones that can’t seem to get past name calling.

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

Local governments of cities in the south have a long history of being currupt. I’m not a fan of Shirley girl but she has been the best thing for Atlanta in ages. You really need to stop with the black vs white thing. Its old and has no merit in this matter. Lets take all the cover ups of lynchings, rapes, and attacks on blacks, jews by democratic whites and compare them with you claims of tax robbery by blacks in local governments. Doesn’t compare.

Also..last I saw..a large number of wealthy tax payers in the “new” Milton county are black professional athletes, buisnessmen, performers, and such.

By time for the truth

February 16, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

I see the stinky liberalrat curious peeping tom has once again gone off the deep end. next time make sure that you’ve got moveon.org concrete boots attached to your stinky wart infested feet before you belly flop into the deep end peeping tom.

Jeff’s posts are pretty moderate and certainly do NOT ever warrant such a hateful bilious death wish.

COME ON PEEPING TOM … verbally abuse me … I’m feeling all left out … its just not fair … be hateful to me too … come on wittle peeping tom diddums … tell me I need to die and be draped in the US flag … scumsuckingtreasonouslice like you need to be forcibly deported to Cuba!!

as for markus and yours truly being “warmongers” … excuse me peeping tom, I’m still hilariously LMFAO …

the BUsh hating left are the TRUE enemy within in the USA today, they are noxious cowardly vermin and they urgently need to be eradicated.

By Brian Curtis

February 16, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Edwin: Then if we elect them to do what’s right, shouldn’t we be calling for more than just a nonbinding resolution? Shouldn’t they be demanding a total troop withdrawal ASAP?

After all, it’s not like anyone can even pretend this war was necessary or justified any more….

By time for the truth

February 16, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Babs

if a black middle class is emerging in the soon to be Milton Co that’s a good thing. Funny how you dismally ignore the real point about why Milton Co is coming to pass though!!

It isn’t just southern cities that are corrupt in this country love … wot about NYC, Chicago, FRansicko, LA, Detroit and on and on …?

FRanklin’s all too willing racism was shown to all with that despicable racebaitng ad in the recent election. Let me know when the blacks stop the incessant racebaiting … the McKinneys, Young, Brooks, Waters, Jackson Pee, the NAACP, Sharptongue, Jackasson, Calypso Louis Farracrap et al

By Peyton Walters

February 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

tftt lives in a public housing project, hugged up with the putrid remains of J. Edgar Hoover.

By Renee

February 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Jeff - you make a lame - and incorrect argument. Name me one city that has had 3,000 killings within the past two years? Huh? You’re sick.

By time for the truth

February 16, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

COME ON all you endlessly HYPOCRITICAL LEFTIES … tell the hateful bilious lefties on here this morning to stop their hate

you constantly sneer at me for my supposed “hate” (which merely sensibly mirrors back so much leftist hate) … so be fair and balanced - like Fox News

and tell your fellow cut and run lefties to stop their hate!!

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

All I’m saying is that is not just balcks as you always point out. Its politicians period. You are hate filled..and I know why. That hole in your heart can be filled by Him, and only Him.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Renee:

Atlanta has. When you combine the adult murder rate with the infanticide (aka abortion) rate, the rate of murders IN ATLANTA far exceeds those in Iraq.

Oh and before you go off and say that “but abortion is legal”… According to the law of their group, the insurgents are perfectly legal in killing our troops as well….

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

All I’m saying is that is not just balcks as you always point out. Its politicians period. You are hate filled..and I know why. That hole in your heart can be filled by Him, and only Him. I will continue to pray for your evil soul.

By time for the truth

February 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

By Peyton Walters

February 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

tftt lives in a public housing project, hugged up with the putrid remains of J. Edgar Hoover.

NOW NOW NAMBLA/peeping tom

how many times has your psychiatric social worker told you NOT to revisit your sick Hoover fetish whilst wearing your dead mommy’s peephole see through red cocktail dress!!

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Jeff,

You just lost the debate with that infanticide. I don’t think inner city people are having many abortions..with all the children out of wedlock there. HAHAHAHA

By Peyton Walters

February 16, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Jim, you won’t have to endure that many more firsts. You and I will die eventually. That will be a first and last for both of us.

And, now you call for sealing the borders of Iraq. If we had done that first, before unleashing the “shock and awe,” Iraq would be a much different place today.

Finally, tftt is a harmless, amusing and completely insane person. Or maybe she’s a really clever person masquerading as a nut job. But probably not.

By Dennis

February 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes; “• Any Georgia Republican or Democrat who supports the House resolution opposing the deployment of additional troops to Iraq should be defeated.”

Any editor who can still tout the lies of the Bush administration as “truth” ought to apologize for calling himself a “journalist”.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Jackie

February 16, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

When folks speak about “only” 3,100 of our military has died in Iraq, they do not count those US military persons that have been wounded so badly - over 20,000 - they are no longer a member of the US military. Were it not for the medical lessons learned in Viet Nam and the body armor available today, the death toll would be more than 25,000. What does it take for our elected representatives to stand up and voice their opposition to an illegal war brought to us by a selected, criminal administration.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Barbara:

The city of Atlanta encompasses far more than just the “inner city”…

And trust me, I worked in an area that was 98% black… yes, a lot of them don’t exactly have abortions, but quite a few DO! (Usually the ones that actually believe in themselves and want out of the thug culture.)

By time for the truth

February 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Babs baby … don’t eat so many doughnuts this early in the morning. That enormous sugar rush makes you post complete bollocks!!

Very obviously it isn’t just blacks nationally of course, but in Atlanta, which is the subject of my thoughtful fact packed post this morning it damn well (usually) is!!

who is “him” …? is this your rentboy husband? Happily I aint no homo - unlike peeping tom/NAMBLA.

Praise be to allllaaaaargh!!

I have no hole in my heart at all lovey … BUT YOU sure seem to HAVE A HUGE ONE in between your ears!!

By J

February 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Jeff - re: your “over 3,000 deaths in ATL” resoning, wouldn’t you have to take into account the proportion of said deaths to the overall population? If you’re talking about the metro ATL area, that’s, what, over 3 million people? There are a lot fewer soldiers than 3 million in Iraq right now, so proportionally speaking, it’s not the same - as often happens in these debates, you’re comparing apples and oranges. But, obfuscation and changing the subject seems to be all the keyboard-warriors have left these days.

Of course, I don’t have to dodge death squads and car bombings to get to work, and nobody is forcing me out of my neighborhood with death threats because of my religion (or lack thereof). So, I’d say that Atlanta is probably safer than Baghdad.

Also, your contention of “the soldiers signed up for it” is deeply disrespectful of soldiers and signals that you don’t value them as humans because, after all, you’re implying that they “had it coming”. Did they willingly volunteer to become part of the military? Yes. But your argument is the equivalent of saying that it’s my fault if I’m killed by a drunk driver because I willingly got a license and went out driving on the roads. And that’s just preposterous.

Soldiers will do their duty, as they’re commanded by the civilians who are ultimately in charge. That’s their job. But that doesn’t mean they want to or should become fodder for someone’s geopolitical fantasies. (Or, more accurately, sheer ignorance.)

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Jackie:

Check out some of the stuff in the pipes (AND unclassified!!) on FutureWeapons on Discovery channel. Weapons made of essentially water and plastic that can bust an entrance hole in a wall or disable a car bomb, bullets that can pierce pretty well any body armor with EASE, missiles and grenade launchers that can DECIMATE a single room from hundreds of yards away with ZERO collateral damage….

and a body armor vest that can withstand the full direct impact of an exploding grenade….

By Czar

February 16, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Should a woman first observe an ultrasound image of her fetus before she aborts it? Will observing a fetus prevent some abortions?

Many health care plans available today in Georgia have a family pregnancy stipulation so that no single woman can qualify for birth delivery coverage. It costs thousands of dollars to deliver a baby. Abortions are cheaper, but then who will pay for the imaging of the fetus before an abortion is approved?

Abortion is our biggest moral test. Every aspect of the proceedure or it’s prevention seems gruesome or unreasonable.

The debate needs new perspectives and new buzz words to replace the anti-abortion, pro choice, pro-life, pro-abortion labels used in the past.

Abortion is our Nation’s cross, with clear cut moral consequences for carrying it. Can we sidestep the impasse much longer before we actively engage a solution? Will we forever be lost in the philosophical debate about what constitutes a human being?

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

J:

My “soldiers signed up for it” comment is FACT that many liberals would like to deny.

My Marine recruiter was QUITE clear that I could be KIA if I joined. So I KNOW what it is like to comtemplate that. And if a soldier DIDN’T think about it before signing, THEY are responsible. Because I KNOW I thought about it. Some want to claim now “but I got in for the college money”! Well… ummm…. you KNEW you were getting into a job where one of your primary job-related tools is a GUN. If you didn’t know that, you sure as HADES learned it at Basic. And typically, if you’re pointing a gun at someone, you stand a decent chance of catching a round from theirs as well.

So no, there was no disrespect in my comment. It was REALITY. One that I PERSONALLY went through.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

J:

Also note that as of about 3 years ago, the population of the CITY OF ATLANTA was 500,000…. roughly comparable to the amount of troops we have deployed either actively in Iraq, in support of Iraq, or Iraq II vets.

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

OH JEFF STOP! 3 years ago Atlanta’s population was 500,000? and we grew to 3 million in 3 years! Are you in high school? That kind of poplulation growth does not occur. Where is James the engineer to teach you about the rate of growth and decay!

By Czar

February 16, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

What geo-political fantasies? We have to secure Iraq. And the term “geo-political” is a vague and undefined, and awkwardly used in the context of your blog.

Sheer ignorance? Whose? Cheney/Bush had access to all sorts of intel about Iraq. They are playing a different set of cards than the ones you eluded to in your blog.

Imagine any scenario where US troops can leave Iraq over the next twenty five years. There isn’t one.

Sadr fleeing is the big moment in this war. Notice the surge is going into Sunni blocks, and then a little Shia, then back to Sunni, and so on.

Everyone’s gonna get a taste of the surge and no radical leader will feel safe, and then maybe we can get on to building that nation.

Do you watch the news? Notice how much traffic there is in Baghdad? Business is going on.

A few IEDs cant stop it. Bush was correct and the democrats are wrong. We should be there, and we’ll stay there. The world is a different place than it was just a year ago. The world is changing so fast that our presense in IRaq will become obsolete before it becomes wrong.

By Magneto

February 16, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

J, Barbara:

Whose the idiot that thinks the population grew from 500,000 to 3 million(actually the metro is 5 million)in three years? This type of moronic debating has no place on these here blogs.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Barbara:

You’re thinking the metro area we CALL “Atlanta”. I’m talking about within the ACTUAL CITY LIMITS of the City of Atlanta.

By Dennis

February 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

By Jeff February 16, 2007 11:07 AM “J:My “soldiers signed up for it” comment is FACT that many liberals would like to deny.”

A “FACT” that neocons don’t have the intelligence to grasp is the “soldiers signed up for it” to defend the country, not to be used as GWB’s private army to establish for himself and his kind a world empire.

And it doesn’t matter to GWB and his kind if those who die, or who are wounded, are liberals or neocons either.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Magneto,

Jeff cannot be that dumb. I agree with him on politics and supporting our troops, but his lack of analytical skills and the basic grasp of reality removes all his credibility.

Jeff, please do not post anymore made up statistics..you are worse than any liberal that you oppose.

By Jim's a Distractor

February 16, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim,

Here’s a good editorial from your liberal editorial board…why don’t I see your name on more of these?

Accountability in government…what a concept!

Vote openly for DOT board members

Published on: 02/16/07

When it comes time to vote for members of the state Department of Transportation board, many Georgia lawmakers believe what their constituents don’t know won’t hurt them.

By law, every other vote taken as part of a legislator’s official duty is cast in the open and a matter of public record. But the veiled balloting that has historically surrounded selection of DOT board members is an anachronism that defies common sense and is an insult to the principles of transparent government.

Secret balloting for the policy-setting DOT board was borne of years of one-party rule at the state Capitol. Lawmakers, afraid of incurring the wrath of a sitting governor or House speaker who backed a rival DOT candidate, have long used parliamentary procedures to cloak their votes from the view of the public and each other.

Although the political balance of power has since changed at the Capitol, this legal but indefensible tradition survives intact.

The DOT board is comprised of 13 members, each representing one of the state’s congressional districts. They are elected by lawmakers from those districts to serve six-year terms.

As a result of redistricting and terms already set to expire, five board seats were up for grabs, including two in metro Atlanta. In January, Garland Pinholster was elected to serve the 6th Congressional District which represents Cherokee, north Fulton and parts of north DeKalb and Cobb counties. In the 3rd Congressional District, Sam Wellborn won the election to represent Fayette, Coweta, Spalding, most of Henry County, parts of Douglas and Carroll counties, as well as several others.

Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporters recently polled lawmakers in those districts and asked them to explain their position on the secret DOT vote, and who they supported. Of the 66 lawmakers who responded in those districts, 28 refused to disclose their choice, offering reasons that ranged from ignorant to arrogant.

“It’s like any election, in my mind,” said state Rep. Wendell Willard (R-Sandy Springs) “I have the right to vote in secret.” For an elected official acting on behalf of the public, however, no such “right” exists.

State Rep. Stan Watson (D-Decatur) had his own feckless explanation for voting behind closed doors:

“It allows for a person to actually vote their conscience without any ramifications or recourse from the person who wins.”

Watson and others apparently subscribe to the belief that DOT board members are to be treated as the modern equivalent of feudal lords who punish those who defy their authority and reward those who pay fealty.

Unfortunately, there is some truth to that presumption. DOT is a $2 billion bureaucracy that has too often operated under a spoils system beholden to well-connected special interests at the expense of finding transportation solutions that serve the greater good.

That’s why it’s so important for the public to know who their lawmakers voted for, and exactly where those candidates stand on transportation issues.

The current cult of secrecy makes it nearly impossible for Georgians to hold transportation officials accountable for important decisions affecting their daily lives. In effect, their elected officials are telling them that it’s none of their business.

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 08:52 AM | Link to this

War cry babies:

3,000 dead in 3 years IN A COMBAT ENVIRONMENT is NOTHING compared to the DOZENS of thousands that die every year in non-natural, NON-COMBAT deaths here in the US.

So why is this all consuming war on terrorism such an issue with the chicken littles Jeff? More people die in traffic accidents every year than have been killed by terrorists throughout our entire history. You have a greater chance of winning the Power Ball lottery (9,000,000,000 - 1) than you do of encountering a terrorist. You have a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash. So why is terrorism such a big issue? But getting back to your statistics Jeff. These 3000+ young men and women have died for what history will see as the biggest presidential blunder ever.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Barbara:

That was the number given to me by a certified EMT in Atlanta who was giving me and a few others first aid/ CPR training for work at an Emory University summer camp back in 2003.

By Apocalypse

February 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Jeff,

It appears that they should have given you math lessons instead.

By getalife

February 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Tim Ryan owns this debate

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

The CTC’s report “Stealing Al-Qa’ida’s Playbook” argues that direct engagement with the U.S. has been good for the jihadi movement because it rallies locals and drains American resources.

And that is from the United States Military Academy’s Combatting Terrorism Center. Not exactly a liberal bastion I would say. There just comes a point when even the blindest squirrels start finding the nuts. What a mess this president has made.

By Susan

February 16, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jim, I think we can all agree that sheriffs have no business running jails. At least the judges have some common sense.

By J

February 16, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

You people can’t even argue on facts. Ridiculous, though not unexpected.

1) As of 2003, the murder rate for Atlanta was 34.3 per 100,000. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html) Okay, then: call it 172 murders per year (even though ATL proper is probably less than 500,000 people), over five years, that’s 860. A lot less than 3,000. (Nice try at working in abortion - but compare apples to apples. Thus, soldier deaths and violent crime deaths in ATL are the most apt comparison.) 2) Sure, stuff is going on in Baghdad, because people will still try to go on with their lives even in horrible situations. But, in the latest example, 7 people were killed in a car-bombing within the last 48 hours alone. Have 7 people died in ATLANTA PROPER in the last 24 hours or so from violent crime, bombings, etc? 3) My office is at the edge of Georgia Tech; I don’t recall any bombings in the last month that killed 60 students here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/17/AR2007011700456.html 4) “We have to secure Iraq.” Um, that would be because this administration started an elective war that I opposed before it began. And did so with insufficient post-war planning that failed to take into account the complexities of Iraqi culture. Just take a look at this gem: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB214/index.htm Don’t forget that those who didn’t toe the line (Gen. Shinseki) were forced out. 5) And, on my previous point, the rationale for the war was imminent threat from weapons of mass destruction (that didn’t exist) and nothing else. Don’t change the subject to whatever rationales were cooked up after the fact.

By Dennis

February 16, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

By PragmaticMan; “3,000 dead in 3 years IN A COMBAT ENVIRONMENT is NOTHING compared to the DOZENS of thousands that die every year in non-natural, NON-COMBAT deaths here in the US…More people die in traffic accidents every year than have been killed by terrorists throughout our entire history.”

And this is supposed to somehow “justify” the deaths and wounded of the Iraq war?

So little in your world for the value of human life.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Uh, Dennis. A guy named Jeff made that post. Pay attention.

By Dusty

February 16, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

PramaticMan,

Can you explain how 9/11 also rallied not only locals but also most Americans? Can you explain how liberals forgot so quickly, forgeting Afghanistan and repudiating our American President and Congress who saw the same information and came to the same conclusion about Iraq? How our efforts against terrorism have decreased attacks?

Keep looking and you will find a think tank somewhere who will repudiate everything being done now.

By Chris Hansen

February 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Pragmatic Man,

You know that I recognize your Id. Ever since you escaped after we busted you on “To Catch a Predator”, you’ve been showing up on various blogs.

Keep it up , we’re closing in on you.

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Dumbazz Dennis, I used Jeff’s comment to illustrate how overblown the entire issue of this war on terrorism is. Take some reading comprhension classes before you open fire.

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Jeff - What an idiotic argument you are making. Because more Americans die of other (many natural) causes they 3000 unnecssary and avoidable deaths are just hunky dory? So basically as long as a war - for whatever cause and of no value to our country - does not have as many deaths as the dosmetic death rate it can’t be questioned?

I understand full well about the military and war and the world of necessary evils. Unfortunately this war was not one of them. Many of us would enlist the next day if our country truly needed us in a just war of necessity.

And actually most of us do cry out about our fellow people everyday who die from inadequate health care, poor or no housing, and many other domestic issues that people like you will label “bleeding heart” and a waste of tax dollars.

So you can take your hypocritical self-righteous comments and shove them somewhere particularly uncomfortable.

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

So dingbat Dusty, can you explain why now that the facts are out, 70%+ of Americans want out? Explain the 06 elections Dusty. I guess you are one of those blind squirrels that hasn’t got the nut yet, huh Dusty? And by the way Dusty, why are Republicans in the congress and senate running away from this war? Good luck finding a nut before you starve dimwit.

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

By Chris Hansen

February 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Pragmatic Man,

You know that I recognize your Id.

What a big bad man you are little Chrissy. Sherlock Holmes you are not. Go back to your Klan meeting.

By J

February 16, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I’m going to have to smack you on the head with a rolled up newspaper. You’re largely a waste of my time, so I’ll be brief:

1) You’re conflating 9/11 and Iraq. A popular tactic. The only relationship between the two is that national leaders exploited outrage at the former to start a war with the latter.

2) Who forgot Afghanistan? I haven’t - I’ve been arguing that we should have concentrated exclusively on our efforts there, but Iraq has taken up time, manpower, and public attention. And, again, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

3) You should be a little more specific on who saw what intelligence info. The rationale was built on flawed intelligence cherry-picked to fit a desired conclusion, which was then passed on to a president who, at best, failed to ask critical questions, and then passed it unquestioningly (and, some would contend, even MORE cherry-picked) to a Republican-dominated congress that wasn’t remotely interested in oversight.

Afghanistan was an appropriate reaction (which I supported); Iraq was a misguided and poorly-planned adventure (which I did NOT support - and I was right).

Stop confusing the two.

By Dennis

February 16, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

“By PragmaticMan February 16, 2007 12:16 PM Dumbazz Dennis, I used Jeff’s comment to illustrate how overblown the entire issue of this war on terrorism is. Take some reading comprhension classes before you open fire.”

If you were replying to something farther up by Jeff that I missed, I do apologize. Your response (out of context)reads as tho you are agreeing with him.

This is a war for all of the wrong reasons.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By liberalextremist

February 16, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Please read something besides Jim Wooten’s hate-filled columns. Democrats did not forget Afghanistan. Your “Decider” forgot Afghanistan. Now that country is going to hell in a handbasket because he refused to commit the appropriate resources there when needed. Please remember that the Republicans gave the “Decider” a blank check to run the war in Afghanistan and Iraq how he saw fit (NO CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT). However because he isn’t fit to run around a block, the problem is the Democrats fault, you and your ilk need to get a clue and not from Hannity, Wooten, Limbaugh, Bootz, et al.

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

PragmaticMan is black. That explains it.

By Apocalypse

February 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Dennis,

Stop repeating that ridiculous closing statement! It just shows how ignorant you are that’s all.

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

PragmaticMan is black. That explains it.

Nope. Just not one of you neo-conservative fascists, xenophobes, or nativists. You must be from Cherokee County Dr. Doom.

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

F*,

You must be from Dekalb County. The bile that you spew is charateristic of that region. I wish I could take that Cynthia McKinney bumper sticker off your car and slap you with it.

By Tommy

February 16, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

By Chris Hansen

February 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Pragmatic Man,

You know that I recognize your Id. Ever since you escaped after we busted you on “To Catch a Predator”, you’ve been showing up on various blogs.

Keep it up , we’re closing in on you.

Don’t you just love it when some punk neo-con fascist jerk appoints himself blog policeman comes on and tries to stifle someones right under the 1st Amendment? Get a life you fascist wannabe. You are what is wrong with this country today.

By Dusty

February 16, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Liberal squirmists all,

Your memory is short and dubious.

We won in Afghanistan.

We will win in Iraq which has an inflow of terrorists who had rather be fighting in the USA. The “surge” will take care of them.

Congress (including Democrats) did see the same info as the President and DID say OK to the Iraq War. You can “explain” all day but those are the facts.

The sky is not falling, just on cut and runners who are about as popular as the black plague. Wait until liberals try to cut funds from our troops. The polls will fall so hard on your heads that you will forget to mention squirrels and nuts.

Have a nice day, Americans, even you liberals. The sun is shining here, another Southern tradition. Stay sweet now!

By PragmaticMan

February 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

F*,

You must be from Dekalb County. The bile that you spew is charateristic of that region. I wish I could take that Cynthia McKinney bumper sticker off your car and slap you with it.

Why don’t you just burn a cross in my East Cobb yard? That is your inclination no doubt, is it not Dr. Doom? But leave the mask off how about it.

By jm

February 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

“Sealing borders is a start.” - interesting comment by Mr. Wooten, since the US can’t even seal its own borders but expects a basket case like Iraq to do so. I wonder if he also wants to seal the border between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The Iranians are not the ones supplying the sunni insurgents or al queda. Syria might be playing both sides but they are not crazy, they are not going to do too much to honk off their patrons in Iran.

Though I do worry that our attention deficit disorder president is itching to attack Iran. He must be thinking “third time is the charm” since he has so royally screwed up the first two.

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 01:00 PM | Link to this

Dusty:We won in Afghanistan

Bwah! You really need to actually follow the news before you comment on it. Nothing has been won n Afghanistan at all. As a matter of fact we are begging other countries to send more troops in an attempt to keep some semblance of order there. The gov’t has no power outside of the capital, warlords are running large regions, and the Taliban is attacking and taking over villages in the south. But hey if you support Bush you probably do define this as a “victory” like 30% approval is “support”.

By Tommy

February 16, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this

So we won in Afghanistan Dusty? Then why is the war still raging and the Generals are saying that the situation is deteriorating? Please explain. Or is that another one of those “Mission Accomplished” moments you are hallucinating to this morning. And I thought all you neo-cons didn’t do drugs.

By Jackie

February 16, 2007 01:02 PM | Link to this

Jeff

I watch that program every week and have access to Military Times newsletter. Our military has many tools in the pipeline that are being tested in Iraq. It seems to me this war is being used as a beta test for the military-industrial complex. The USA is still the world’s largest arms dealer and we spend more on our military than ALL the other countries in the world COMBINED. As an aside, has anyone figured out what happened to the $20 BILLION dollars that disappeared in Iraq?

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this

GaymaticMan,

Sure I’ll leave my mask off. That way your sister can sit on my face while your mother sits on something else.

By Art Monk

February 16, 2007 01:04 PM | Link to this

Dr.Doom has got to be either Chip Rogers or D.A. King. I wonder which one of those jackazzes he is.

By JoeD

February 16, 2007 01:06 PM | Link to this

We won in Afghanistan? Is that why Georgie was just this month begging for more troops from NATO to beat back the Taliban again? And could we really win in Afghanistan if we didn’t catch Osama? (Which by the way we haven’t done yet)We got diverted from the main mission in Afghanistan to lose thousands of troops and billions of dollars in Iraq. Georgie seems to suffer from ADD.

By mullah reece

February 16, 2007 01:08 PM | Link to this

White poeople in Atlanta need to wake up an see that this is not theirs any more. Go and start youre own if you wont an enjoy it while it last.

By JoeD

February 16, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

Mullah reece, We use the English language here.

By Tommy

February 16, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

That last post confirmed it. Dr. Doom is definately a cretin as well as a xenophobic, homophobic, nativist. But wear the mask please moron. Your toothless tobacco juice stained face is probably too frightening for little children. And I bet you call yourself a grass roots Republican too. You definately have the characteristics for that.

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

Art Monk,

That’s why we won’t vote your stupid black a$$ in the hall of fame!!

Mind your own business.

By Apocalypse

February 16, 2007 01:16 PM | Link to this

mullah reece:

Atlanta does belong to White people! Just because all of you got government jobs doesn’t mean you own it. The only thing you own is welfare and crack cocaine.

By J

February 16, 2007 01:18 PM | Link to this

“We won in Afghanistan.”

Well, we toppled the Taliban government. But I’d hold off on the victory dance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021600568.html

If you remotely paid attention to (actual, non-opinion) news, you’d know that Bush was calling yesterday for NATO to send more troops into this country where we “won”. You see, the Taliban isn’t gone, and the government there is, sadly, not exactly in control of much of the country. I wouldn’t call that an unqualified victory.

“Your memory is short and dubious.”

And yours is full of made-up BS. For instance: “Iraq which has an inflow of terrorists who had rather be fighting in the USA. The “surge” will take care of them.” Before pulling facts out of the air, why not actually checking information sources: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16614253.htm

Since you obviously can’t be bothered to consult reality, I’ll pull the relevant quote for you: “While Iraq’s neighbors are interfering, “outside actors” are not a “major driver of violence” inside Iraq.”

Oh, this is even better - even your hallowed FOX News proves you wrong: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249738,00.html “Although the estimate lists Al Qaeda activities as a continuing problem, it cites sectarian and internal unrest as the chief problem in Iraq.”

Thus, you are WRONG.

Also, explain to me how the “surge” will: 1) Fix seemingly intractable differences between ethnic groups in Iraq; and 2) Establish a stable, non-corrupt government that doesn’t have a hand in the slaughter of a portion of its own population.

Go ahead, try and contradict me - all you can do is state invective, not cite actual facts. Because you obviously have none at your disposal.

I would laugh, but there’s nothing funny about your cheerleading the deaths of others.

By Art Monk

February 16, 2007 01:19 PM | Link to this

People like you are my business Dr. Doom. Come out from under that rock and you become game.

By Dr.Doom

February 16, 2007 01:22 PM | Link to this

JoeD,

You can’t expect those people to speak english correctly. That’s like asking Bin Laden to celebrate Christmas.

Tommy,

Bend over, I want to pass on a gift to you from prison.

By scorekeeper

February 16, 2007 01:26 PM | Link to this

Barbara 2 Jeff 0

By Amy

February 16, 2007 01:28 PM | Link to this

By Joel Provano | Friday, February 16, 2007, 04:50 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

• OK, this is it: The last first. Harvard University has named its first female president, Drew Gilpin Faust. Such a tired old story. Must we go through another generation of First This and First That.

Yes, all these firsts really scare the hell out of you “conservatives”. First woman president, first black president, etc.

By mullah reece

February 16, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

Whose the mayor. Whose the Fulton commisioner? Whose the police chef. Whose the sport teams. An “language” does not matter when you are incharge. Speak english in youre Milton city when you get it.

By tired

February 16, 2007 01:31 PM | Link to this

Wow,

This blog is thriving with pointed comments today.

By Tommy

February 16, 2007 01:31 PM | Link to this

Prison is an appropriate place for you. Should have known you are the lowest common denominator. Hope you are doing life.

By tired

February 16, 2007 01:38 PM | Link to this

Mullah,

I’m going on a limb here and guessing you’re the wife. Your comments spell of anger that someone else has long been in control of you.

By we're taking over

February 16, 2007 01:40 PM | Link to this

Mulla Reece,

You obviously haven’t kept up…Atlanta has gained more population in the last two years than in the previous two decades…and it’s almost entirely white people moving back in. Go read the latest demographics…blacks are moving to the burbs..outer dekalb, clayton and henry. Blacks had Atlanta but didn’t take care of it and now us whiteys are buying it back…don’t count on having a black mayor in five years. Does this sound racist? Probably..frankly I don’t care anymore.

By Barbara

February 16, 2007 01:41 PM | Link to this

Jim,

What happened to your blog?

Jeff,

You are quoting statistics from an EMT? Really? Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.

By liberalextremist

February 16, 2007 01:42 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

It would be so easy to call you names, because you put yourself out there without stating any real facts. This article, quoting the Decider should help you. http://newsblaze.com/story/20070216084919tsop.nb/newsblaze/TOPSTORY/Top-Stories.html

Since you are such a proud Southerner, I hope you can read and critically think at the same time. Please get your head out of the @$$3$ of Wooten, Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, et al, its is so unbecoming.

By tired

February 16, 2007 01:52 PM | Link to this

Barbara,

while I do appreciate facts in an discussion, let’s be sure we all understand statistics can be skewed to give differing perceptions. We need to try and find stats from sources outside of our american/partisan sources.

By mullah reece

February 16, 2007 01:53 PM | Link to this

White thugs leave with your”language’ and this city to whose it for. You cannot’ buy back what is not youres. an you must be a “white” man to talk down to an other person like a dog.

By tired

February 16, 2007 01:57 PM | Link to this

Liberalextremist,

What was your purpose with using the article? Where you trying to show the work Bush is doing that the U.N. should be doing? I would have thought a liberal would be happy to help the needy. Even in other countries.

By Ms. Writer

February 16, 2007 01:57 PM | Link to this

were taking over: stop with all the black and white….the next mayor of Atlanta will probably be a homosexual Mexican from the looks at the census.

By Ms. Writer

February 16, 2007 01:59 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse

Atlanta does not “belong” to anyone white or black and that was a pretty low blow with the welfare and crack cocaine do some of you black and white just use the blog to vent racial frustration?

By KP

February 16, 2007 02:06 PM | Link to this

Mullah? Huh?

I’m black and I can’t decipher anything you are saying.

By liberalextremist

February 16, 2007 02:07 PM | Link to this

tired, I was simply trying to show Dusty that Afghanistan has not been “won”, as she so aptly put it. I was one of those who believed that all of resources should have been committed to Afghanistan, instead of that unnecessary mess called Iraq. But I do agree with the “Decider” even though I hate say it, but we need in Afghanistan before it falls back into the hands of the Taliban.

By We're taking over

February 16, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this

You started the talking down mullah reece. Kirkwood, Lindwood Park, East Atlanta, Downtown West of Marietta Street, Castleberry, East Atlanta, East Point, East Lake. All these places and more were former ghetto dumps, and white people are buying up it all. One of the most pleasureable sites I’ve ever seen from my new downtown loft was watching below while a thug infested ghetto apartment building was being bulldozed. You’re precious black jocks and rappers don’t live in Atlanta…they have mansions in Country Club of the South and other exclusive places. And the middle class blacks with kids don’t live in Altanta either…just like white folks they go for bigger houses in the burbs…which leaves the white folks that can afford it and the black thugs that are still hanging onto the few crack houses left..and they’ll be gone soon. Don’t be a dog and ya don’t get treated like one.

By Ms. Writer

February 16, 2007 02:11 PM | Link to this

Me either KP….

By rarringt

February 16, 2007 02:15 PM | Link to this

Barbara said,

*Jim,

What happened to your blog?*

Just wanted to note the first time Barbara and I have agreed on something in a while. :^)

Hope you’ve been well. Folks, as a lesson, it’s easy for me to question Barbara’s views on a great many things, but impossible to question her integrity. She’s a class act.

The rest of you who think you’re being “clever” by resorting to name-calling, race-baiting, or other ad hominem attacks could learn a thing or two from her.

By we're taking over

February 16, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this

Ms. Writer,

Point well taken…I’m not really the racist that I appear on this blog. I’ve invested in and defended Atlanta (from the rest of Georgia that continually maligns the city) for 25 years. I’ll live with anyone as long as they respect me and my home. But I’ve had plenty of Mullah Reece’s yell crap at me,as I’m out and about,just because I’m white.

By Duke

February 16, 2007 02:18 PM | Link to this

tired,

Your point regarding statistics sometimes being skewed is a good one. However, since Jeff’s statistics were incorrect and Barbara was correct to point that out, it seems to me that you should have addressed your comment to Jeff, not Barbara.

Dismissing accurate data or information that you don’t like (by identifying it as partisan when it’s not) is just as bad as generating misleading data for partisan purposes. Don’t you think?

By mullah reece

February 16, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

Alanta is for those who faught for it an it cant not be changed back for those who gave it for justice. Make youre own one.

By J

February 16, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

“The rest of you who think you’re being “clever” by resorting to name-calling, race-baiting, or other ad hominem attacks could learn a thing or two…”

Amen!

By The Count

February 16, 2007 02:35 PM | Link to this

Pull the string! Pull the string!

By JP

February 16, 2007 02:42 PM | Link to this

liberalextremist, I think we took troops out of Afgh. too early to concentrate on Iraq. One of the Decider’s first and biggest strategic blunders. We do need to finish that job (and go find Osama!) which the Decider forgot soon as he could distract himself with Iraq.

By Redneck Convert

February 16, 2007 02:50 PM | Link to this

Well, my son Bubba is going to inlist. He found out his prison stretches for making meth won’t count against him and he even could kill a couple people and still get in, the army needs people so bad. Now if I could just get my dotter to tell which one of the five guys is the daddy of little Sonny Zell George and then marry him, my worries would be over.

Sorry to see the libruls on this blog is still going on about the war in Iraq. I’m glad Sister Dusty and this Jeff guy is giving them the bizness. Them two got good brains a lot like mine. I know Dusty sets around in her bathrobe all day and thinks real hard, and Jeff probly takes a break from the forklift to come in to lob a bomb or two on the PC. I wish more people like them would stand up for redneck life and thinking.

Just wanted to tell Harold be sure to get your booze Saturday so you don’t run out Sunday when all the stores stop selling. Me, I took a five-finger discount right out of my beer truck, so I’m set. What with NASCAR starting, me and Jim Earl and Joe Bill will be glued to the TV set to see the wrecks at Daytona.

Us guys up at Billy Bob’s is thinking about making Jeff a Ornery Redneck. But then, Jim Earl says maybe he is one already.

By George Clements

February 16, 2007 02:55 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, I’ve been away for about six weeks and have missed the daily dribble by most of your emotionally-disturbed fans.

In reading today’s comments, however, I’m impressed by the wide number of your right-wing colleagues who have eloquently taken issue with many of your points.

Have you somehow begun to attract new readers with an open mind? Is there indeed a new “first” — namely that typical knee-jerk reactions (liberals are always wrong, Hillary is the devil, etc.) don’t always solve complicated issues, such as how to end this Iraqi debacle.

It would appear that some of your readers have become a lot more mature in their thinking than you. I know it is difficult to always have to placate the Republican name-callers and stand on the regressive side of every issue.

Perhaps your new readers will help you begin to understand that there is rarely a black and white answer to every gray issue.

Mr. Wooten, I wish you the best of luck in your retirement. (You don’t really believe you are going to survive the AJC down-sizing, do you?)

By tired

February 16, 2007 03:10 PM | Link to this

Duke,

I was merely trying to make a point about the use of facts. I do appreciate statistics being used. It requires me to go out and read and verify/compare. But, more often than not, we are bombarded with skewed facts here in America. I have lived overseas for the past 4 years and have seen just how far off our coverage of issues overseas actually are. Then, here comes all the statistics to validate one side or the other.

So, I conclude that I gave my opinion. Whether I mixed a message or not, the point is still valid.

By tired

February 16, 2007 03:15 PM | Link to this

George Clements,

It is nice to know we have someone who can discern if we have become mature or not. I believe that statement might just have defined you as one of the individuals leaning to one side or the other. I’m guessing a far leaning liberal since all of your references defined conservatives negatively.

It is always nice to see middle of the road comments. Just not when they are masked with bias.

By Czar

February 16, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

Murtha’s new tact is ingenious. But the timing neutralizes it. The Republicans deserve a break here. They should not counter the nonbinding resolution with SOGOTP, (Sheet or get off the pot), but rather the conservative response to the democrat’s irresolve should be to demand they act against the president if indeed he did violate constitutional law in misleading the country to war. TO criticize the irresolution as not having a plan B or as weak stream and half measured plays well into the liberal’s hands.

The war is unpopular? It should be. People want peace? So they should. The goal for the Republicans in ‘08 is to show how this war is necessary for the security and well being of the USA. Stay on topic, men. Too much time has passed to try to spin a new angle. SPeak truth to doubters. Truth: for whatever reason we are in Iraq, we must stay there for generations. If W broke the law then prosecute him. Let there be no irresolve or double meaning platitudes or spun time buying slogans. Let there be simple truth. “If we broke it, then it does need fixin.”

Talking points should be defined and explained, not spun. The conservatives should speak plainly and calmly to a frightened nation.

By Killin' Time

February 16, 2007 03:36 PM | Link to this

tired,

Your comments this afternoon have defined you as one of the individuals leaning to one side or the other. Your condescending and hypocritical observations (and mixed messages) do not mask your bias — try as you might.

By tired

February 16, 2007 03:38 PM | Link to this

Czar,

Very well put.

By JP

February 16, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this

Czar, your suggestion “If W broke the law then prosecute him” assumes that the administration will agree to provide information necessary to determine that conclusively. So far, Cheney Inc. is far too secretive to allow that to happen—they’ve worked under the cover of “national security” to build the power of the Executive for 6 years, as a pet project of cheney.

So Repugs challenge Dems to prove he did something wrong without providing access to the necessary information, and then suggest that failing to do so is spineless. Genius!

By Bert L.

February 16, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

Czar,

Although I’m a liberal and disagree with your conclusions about the war in Iraq (“for whatever reason we are in Iraq, we must stay there for generations”) and probably a host of other issues, I admire your integrity. We all deserve honest debate about the nuts and bolts of all policies and proposals based on facts — not spin or bumper sticker slogans.

Democrats, Republicans, and citizens of all stripes would do well to heed your advice.

Thanks!

By tired

February 16, 2007 03:52 PM | Link to this

Killin’ Time,

I’m not trying to mask my bias. Since I’m sure I have some. It is just tiring to see some post middle of the road messages which are so blatantly bias. Maybe that makes me hypocritical. Humm. I certainly don’t remember slandering a party in there. I’ll read again.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this

All:

Take it from someone who deals with numbers every day:

It is true that numbers do not lie. In fact, they cannot. They truly are nuetral.

HOWEVER….

People can and do use them to spread lies. Such as when the media sends the message “3,000 soldiers dead”. That number looks significant. Until you look at single BATTLES in other wars. There have been 3,000 American soldiers die in an HOUR in some wars, and your’re crying and complaining that 3,000 died in nearly 4 years in Iraq???? Boo friggin hoo!

As I stated: TONS more people have died of UNNATURAL CAUSES in the amount of time we’ve been in Iraq. Yet I don’t see this groundswelling of “concerned people” crying over them! Could it be that Iraq is simply a political ploy and that people are being duped by the very ones supposed to be doing the best for our country? As I stated earlier, I LIKE Iraq if for no other reason than it keeps our Congress busy and not bloating our government even further. But until our Congress gets serious about working to stop all these unnatural deaths occurring here at home, I’m going to see their Iraq posturing as exactly that: political posturing meant to benefit only themselves. (and that goes for BOTH paries!)

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

Bert:

Agreed!

By tired

February 16, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

Bert,

Well put. Another honest opinion.

The two of you are doing wonders in restoring my faith in this blog. All too often all there is is name calling and party bashing. I would love it if there was once an honest debate here on any one of the issues that are so often referred too.

By Killin' Time

February 16, 2007 03:59 PM | Link to this

tired,

As Duke astutely pointed out, who you chose to address your comments to bespoke volumes.

By tired

February 16, 2007 04:04 PM | Link to this

Killin Time,

Put that way, I see were you could have discerned that message. But, I would conclude that a look in the mirror could do a world of good for you, as well as myself.

By jm

February 16, 2007 04:12 PM | Link to this

If this is true, In Iraq, anyone can make a bomb, sealing the borders of Iraq might not do much good.

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 04:18 PM | Link to this

Jeff - You continue to pursue an outrageously flawed argument. First, for most of all the UNNATURAL deaths you are pointing to there are numerous and diffuse causes. The 3,000 deaths in Iraq were completely avoidable and the result of one single choice and action. And I think you are hard-up to find people who are not as opposed to crime as they are to the deaths in Iraq. Of course there are people like yourself that will stand in the way of every action to fix in this unnatural domestic deaths - by opposing gun control, better penal systems, disposing of outdated and moralistic laws (drugs, prostitution, etc), and universal health care.

As a matter of fact I would use your argument to say that we shouldn’t have even been upset by 9/11 because only 2,976 people died and we should be more concerned and focused on other things than terrorism that cause many more deaths. So since 9/11 had fewer deaths than Iraq I guess we can stop being “upset” or “concerned” about it.

You are starting to sound amazingly(and unsurprisingly) like Stalin. 1 death is a tragedy but 3000 is a statistic right?

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 04:26 PM | Link to this

Jeff:* I LIKE Iraq if for no other reason than it keeps our Congress busy and not bloating our government even further*

Oh and let me say how much I would love to put you in a room with those 3000 soldier’s families so you can explain how their loved ones’ lives was worth it so you don’t have to pay as much taxes and have your smug little ideology fulfilled for a little longer. You are one sad excuse for a person.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

Joe L:

Kid dies in a car crash. People don’t make a big deal of it. Why? Because cars crash and people get killed. Its a way of life that we accept, and when it happens we blame it on bad timing or some other such crap. (“Well, if he had been at that point even a minute earlier, he wouldn’t have died.”)

Iraq was NOT a single decision. It had been voted on about ten times over TWO Presidencies before boots ever hit sand. You praise the guy that let it get to the point where we HAD to put boots on sand.

And Iraq was not even ONLY our decision. The United Nations voted to use force too! Heck, even Saddam could have chose a peaceful path, and he did not. No one person can take the full blame for this, and certainly not the man who INHERITED THE MESS FROM HIS PREDECESSOR!

Oh, and let’s not forget: The soldiers we have there CHOSE to sign the dotted line. We haven’t had the draft since Vietnam. That means that EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER, from the newest guy at Basic Training to the Chairman of the Koint Chiefs of Staff CHOSE to strap on that uniform. Nobody forced them to, and quite frequently many people in their lives urge them NOT to!

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 04:51 PM | Link to this

Jeff - Iraq was a single decision and “The Decider” made it. He made the wholely useless and unnecessary decision to go to Iraq and built up all the fear and false and misleading information to get the power to make that decision into full action.

A car accident is just that - an accident. It’s a confluence of unpredictable events which are usually benign.

Uh TWO Presidencies? I don’t think so. Iraq was a distant memory and a completely toothless paper tiger by the time Dubya came to office.

The U.N was lied to and pressured and the U.S. subverted even their actions by not allowing inspectors to finish their work. Why? Because it would’ve dispelled the main myth the administration was using to drive the populace into fear based decisions - WMDs.

There is difference between soldiers dying necessarily for their country and their lives being wasted in what nearly amounts to mass murder. I have often said personally if a soldier isn’t killing or dying he’s being wasted and I’m a HAWK! Which is why when I am opposed to military action it’s not because I have anything against the military being used for one of those two fundamental roles it’s because it’s stupid and wrong to waste lives needlessly - voluntary or not.

By Gypsy

February 16, 2007 04:58 PM | Link to this

Dusty is an idiot.

By George Clements

February 16, 2007 05:03 PM | Link to this

Jeff, I’d bet the house you have never served in the military.

Tired, don’t you ever get tired of always trying to label people?

Why don’t you two take a rest and let the more sanguine readers take over?

By Catherine

February 16, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

Jeff,

You’re seriously uninformed.

The decision to send troops to Iraq in March 2003 was made by one man. No, he did not have to do it. The Congress and the U.N. voted to support military action in Iraq if Iraq didn’t cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors (they did). Bush can and should take all the blame for the mess he created in Iraq. Finally, our sailors, soldiers, airmen and marines voluntarily signed up for the military with the understanding that their commander-in-chief was honest and competent. Unfortunately, that’s not what they got.

By jbmlaw

February 16, 2007 05:06 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon all. Dusty @ 12:54 makes the sharpest point of the day. Our leftist friends are not actually so deluded they believe 70% of the population is with them. They know - as reflected by numerous posts here - that the instant there is a proposal to cut and run (s they voted in 1975) the American public would turn on them in a heartbeat, and for a generation. The leftists do not foolishly believe that removing the troops from the middle east would end the war against the west, nor do they believe such action would make the world safer. Far more likely is that they so-loathe our noble military they would starve them, prevent sufficient reinforcements even if the military begs, and thus watch military deaths escalate, all in the name of “proving” the leftists’s superior judgment. The leftists have proven to me they are not to be trusted with the safety of the American population, and certianly not with the safety of our noble military. I fear a world in which my Navy ensign has a leftist as commander in chief.

By Jeff

February 16, 2007 05:08 PM | Link to this

Joe L:

Basic Government lesson:

Even under the War Powers Act (or maybe even directly BECAUSE of it, depending on how you look at it) CONGRESS has to authorize funding for a war. The President can send em, but he can’t pay em. CONGRESS DOES.

So it really does come down to a Crap Or Get Off the Pot for Congress. Want em to come home? Cut off the money.

Balance of Power at its finest.

Looks to me like about 551 people are responsible for the war, not just one….

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 05:10 PM | Link to this

GC - Jeff claims that he tried to sign up but was medically ineligible. Probably had “flat feet”. So he has admitted he never served but claims he can’t.

I can’t say that I have personally served, but my father was a 21 year veteran and I spent most of my childhood on military installations. You are hard pressed to find anyone who cares more or has more regard for our military and it’s servicemen. Which is what is so disturbing about his callous diregard for soldiers’ lives because they “volunteered” for it.

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 05:16 PM | Link to this

JBM:” The leftists do not foolishly believe that removing the troops from the middle east would end the war against the west, nor do they believe such action would make the world safer”

The problem is that leaving them there does neither of those things either. So given two actions with the same results I will take the one that ends the needless suffering and deaths of U.S. servicemen.

And I see you go back to the bread and butter straw man that people opposed to stupid military actions hate the military. Far from it. But you and Rush and all the other dittoheads keep stuffing that straw man - they are awfully easy to push over.

By Joe L

February 16, 2007 05:21 PM | Link to this

“So it really does come down to a Crap Or Get Off the Pot for Congress. Want em to come home? Cut off the money.”

Great argument, so rather than the Commander In Chief listening to the country and making the right decision - both militarily and politically - we should starve the troops out. That’s even more “support” you are giving them.

So basically Congress is supposed to step up and deny soldiers bullets when Dubya can leave them in the field to be cut down no matter what they feel or decide? Sounds like a great way to accomplish what is supposed to happen - which is smart control of our military.

BTW the War Powers Act is un-Constitutional and should be struck down.

Looks are deceiving, particularly when you look to the lack of depths that you do.

By Czar

February 16, 2007 05:35 PM | Link to this

What our Iraq occupation is not fermenting is a global jihad against the infidel. There’s nothing really happening on that front that wasn’t happening pre-911.

The Irresolute Resolution is a campaign tactic for ‘08.

We are going to be in Iraq for generations regardless of polls.

The conservatives who keep labeling the democratic position as “cut and run” will lose because the debate has passed that by. Better to lose that term, than lose the election.

The American People’s attitude about Iraq is now completely independent of their support for the troops, so I’d lose that term too.

Conservatives need a new leader, and that vacuum is growing by the minute. The Republican Party is in as big a disarray as the Dems in ‘94.

By C. Charles

February 16, 2007 05:45 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter Fan Club President, Jeff, has the gall to blame the current state of Iraq on Bill Clinton. The dwindling Jeffs of the world could stub their toes on a desk today, and they’d swear on the Bible that it wouldn’t have happened if Clinton hadn’t been President over six years ago.

By DublDawg

February 16, 2007 05:53 PM | Link to this

Jim:

Do you really believe that Georgia can change state law and keep FEDERAL judges from making rulings and appointing special masters under federal legal prerogatives?

Anyone with a scintilla of intelligence can see that the non-binding resolution is a cowardly dog and pony show. Then again, there are those who can not see it, and they of course vote for the modern, left wing Democrats. Troop morale is eroding since the Dems won in November. What’s ironic is that those troops don’t identify with Democrats and liberals and don’t want THEIR kind of “help.” With “friends” like them, troops don’t need enemies on the battlefield.

The leftists run around this country bemoaning a “defeat” and the necessity to leave Iraq immediately. Funny, but the insurgents attack our troops, and they keep fighting and doing their jobs. They attack the Iraqi police and recruits and they keep fighting and doing their jobs. They attack the Iraqi people on the street, and they keep standing in line to vote, and in fact, their voter turnout far exceeds turn out in this country. By those standards, there is a defeat here, and a lot of leftists should pull out immediately to join their bretheren in France.

More taxation on food is supposed to be helping the poor?

By GodHatesTrash

February 16, 2007 06:02 PM | Link to this

Charlie Norwood is just as smart dead as he was alive.

What a dumb worthless redneck POS.

Trash.

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 08:08 AM | Link to this

Nothing in their customary moral philosophy would suggest seriousness about civilization’s future or place any emphasis on behaving responsibly. Note also that the elitists who make the most noise about the “purity” of nature never apply that concern to human nature: they have made careers out of corrupting it. The self-appointed prophets of an environmental apocalypse from Hollywood and New York are the forces most responsible for engineering a secularist culture which is remarkable in the history of all cultures for its moral obliviousness and its utter indifference to the future, much less the moral welfare of children.

George Neumayr, telling it like it is:

Except environmentalism is more like feel-good mythology than religion. The same secularists and relativists who consider it ridiculous to offer sacrifices to God or regulate their conduct in accordance with the Ten Commandments are busy devising an elaborate system of irrational blandishments to serve their nature mythology. They spell out the details of this new regimen of discipline and abstinence with the confident knowledge they’ll never have to carry it out. Like Marxism, this mythology is supposed to sustain civilization not through individual virtue but through regulation and centralized planning. An elite whose goodness is measured not by their own moral behavior but by the brilliance of their statist schemes will apparently save the earth.

Left wingers are human mutant perverts, in other words.

And they prove it every day:

By GodHatesTrash February 16, 2007 06:02 PM Charlie Norwood is just as smart dead as he was alive. What a dumb worthless redneck POS. Trash.

Check it out, a pinko finds “intruding” on your world with a half a degree rise in temperature to be worth spending trillions of dollars, the think that your sexual orientation is sacrosanct and above reproach but it’s no problem for them to insult the dead and their grieving family.

You can have liberalism.

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By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 08:19 AM | Link to this

Embattled Democrat’s security post angers some Pelosi is giving Jefferson, a Louisiana Democrat, a seat on the panel after Jefferson was outspoken in his criticism of the homeland security agencies that responded to Hurricane Katrina.-Urinal

“Embattled?”

The only “criticizism” I heard from Jefferson was that his National Guard truck and rescue crew was late helping him move personal belongings from his home:

Amid the chaos and confusion that engulfed New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, a congressman used National Guard troops to check on his property and rescue his personal belongings — even while New Orleans residents were trying to get rescued from rooftops, ABC News has learned.

While other people drowned.

Same old, same old.

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By Cramer

February 17, 2007 08:31 AM | Link to this

WootenDull —

I’m a conservative, and you’re cluttering the page with your boring links. If people wanted to read a compilation of news articles, then there are lots of sites they can go to. Please consider commenting on Jim’s article or on something somebody posted. Everything else is —

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By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 08:34 AM | Link to this

AJC gears up to meet challenges of newspaper industry. Reporters must continue to challenge government officials and other leaders. By Angela Tuck The Atlanta Urinal

Unless, of course, they’re libs then we need to continue writing fawning, BS stories about how they can do no wrong, ever.

But Republicans we “challenge.”

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By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 08:44 AM | Link to this

Cramer, “Conservative:” So how does this relate to Jim’s article-

By GodHatesTrash February 16, 2007 06:02 PM Charlie Norwood is just as smart dead as he was alive. What a dumb worthless redneck POS. Trash.

You see the ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ the skip over it, Dullard.

If you can.

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By JP

February 17, 2007 08:46 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Tom Price, for being a total a$$-monkey on this one. At least other members of Congress have a pair, b/c you sure as heck don’t.

Must be nice to live in a part of the country where your local Congressman actually represents your views and interests.

“What we have this week is a resolution that is eight short lines — eight lines — that in their entirety stab at the motives and undermine the difficult work that our patriotic military is doing. I am so disappointed in a majority party that has no more respect for our military than that.”

— Rep. Tom Price of Roswell

By Markus

February 17, 2007 08:53 AM | Link to this

Cramer, if you are a conservative, I’ve got t!ts. Funny how you never complained about the horseass liberal demoncats stinking up this blog with their worn out old dried up sewage. ID freaking liberal liar.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 09:06 AM | Link to this

Ah yes. Once again the hero of the left, the Karl Marx of the time for the disease of liberalism, the God of Jimmy Carter and Cindy Sheephand, the man of the liberal media, the one and only Hugo Shuvitz Chavez shows how wonderful life would be like under a neoMarxist socialist run state.

One has to remember that one of the major sicknesses of the disease of liberalism is wanting the government to own and control everything, even companies and profits. So what’s the latest snotrocket from the horseass Marxist wannabe down there? The walking bowling pin is threatening to jail grocery store owners if they violate strict price controls.

Already there is runaway inflation and sparse store shelves. Already beef ranchers and farmers are losing money on every pound due to price controls. Already people are going to bed hungry (and asshat liberals say our fatassed children are going to bed in THIS nation).

I’m just shocked the Slimes picked this one up. That’s two in a row now for a liberal sewer pipe media outlet to pick up on something negative happening under Shuvitz. What, are the liberals over there finally waking the hell up to reality that government is NOT the answer to people’s woes?

By Markus

February 17, 2007 09:16 AM | Link to this

Libokook Demoncat governor of PA, Edward Rendell, had a 50-mile traffic snafu in his state due to global warming weather causing massive snowstorms.

The national guard wasn’t there. Truckers checked on people stuck in their vehicles and residents of the rural area of middle PA used four wheelers and 4x4 trucks to get food and water to the stranded travellers.

One would think a competent governor would have prepared roads and signs of warnings prior to the storm coming. I mean, it only hit Chicago and Indianapolis freaking the DAY BEFORE.

I’ll bet somehow, some way, Bush will be blamed on this incompetence of leadership. Pathetic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/17/us/17stranded.html?ei=5065&en=f94d3fae44fa34b3&ex=1172293200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 09:31 AM | Link to this

Hey Marquis, why are you so scared?

By Markus

February 17, 2007 09:36 AM | Link to this

Can someone ‘splain to me just who in the HELL in the Bush administration said that we were planning on actually invading Iran? If no quote can be found, then who in the hell does Pelosivich think she is saying that Bush has “no previous authority to go into Iran.” Of course, the media demoncat bootlickers had to pick up the story and run with it when there really is none. Compost:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/15/AR2007021500157.html?nav=rss_politics

Oh wait, maybe what she really meant to do was fire a warning shot across wannabe president John “Neckbrace” Edwards. After all, Mr. 28,000sf mansion and Macy’s boxer-brief model wannabe said “all options would be on the table” when dealing with Iran when questioned by some media late last year. That was of course before he was asked the same question by Tim Russert on Meet The Press a few weeks ago when he said diplomacy should be the way no matter what.

These clowns are hilarious. I missed having libokook RATs in power solely for the entertainment factoid. These assclowns are the “In Living Color” of politics.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 09:36 AM | Link to this

The “surge” is doomed…. Unless you chickenhawks start enlisting.

What are you waiting for?

By Markus

February 17, 2007 09:41 AM | Link to this

Uh-oh. Looks like I dragged out resident liberal sewer rat ID# 1237, corncobb butt. Did anyone call for an enima?

Anyway, here’s a random thought: if the Bosnian satan-wannabe punk teen who killed five people in cold blood were a Christian or Jew instead of a muslim, just how in the hell would that story would have been reported religion-wise?

Poor kid. He came from a background of war. Awwwweeeeeee. It wasn’t his fault. Sickassed liberals.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 09:43 AM | Link to this

Where’s all the help????

Where are the patriotic Republicans??

You scared?

Your President needs your help.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 09:47 AM | Link to this

Wups, I kinda got carried away on my Shuvitz comment and forgot to give the Slimes link. My bad folks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/17/world/americas/17venezuela.html?ei=5065&en=c334d2e3be7a50c3&ex=1172293200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

And the Bloomberg link (where the REAL economists dwell, not liberal socialist econoexpert wannabes like Paul “Pugface” Krugman).

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=aP0vG6d9rOAk

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 09:49 AM | Link to this

Marquis, your President needs some volunteers for his war.

Are you a coward Marquis?

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 09:50 AM | Link to this

By Corn Cobb February 17, 2007 09:31 AM Hey Marquis, why are you so scared? February 17, 2007 09:36 AM The “surge” is doomed…. Unless you chickenhawks start enlisting. What are you waiting for?

Hey corny: Is this all you know how to say?

3 months at the Wooten blog, I’ve never heard anything other than little mealy mouthed socialist talking points from you.

You went to public school until, what, you were ten, and then dropped out, right?

It’s pretty easy to tell.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 09:54 AM | Link to this

What about YOUR war background Marquis?

Please, tell us all about it………

By Markus

February 17, 2007 09:58 AM | Link to this

>>>>>>>>We interrupt this regularly scheduled blog to bring you this important announcement.<<<<<<<<<

Until you pathetic lazyassed neocommunist liberal garbage bags get off your fatasses and shut your PCs down and go sweat and smash a thumb while building homes for the poor, I don’t want to hear ONE FLOCKING WORD on Iraq and troops OR the poor and homeless. Further, until the truth comes out about Clintoon’s Sandypants Burglar and stealing classified pre-9/11 intel documents on al Qaida, I don’t want to hear ONE FLOCKING WORD about the non-leak by Libby of a non-covert CIA operative.

GOT IT LIBERAL ID GIRLS?

We now resume this normal blog broadcast.<<<<<<<<<

By Markus

February 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

One note to our resident multiple ID liberal freak enimacobb of nature about Iraq and military serving:

Yo assplug communist filth: you disgusting liberal pigs have hated the military since the 1960s. You pathetic diseased monkeys on the left said military service was not important to serving as president. You pathetic islamoterrorist lovers want the enemy to win.

Now tell me sport, just why in the hell I should give two Boyett sh!ts what you think about Iraq and serving?

Pathetic pig.

By Dr.Doom

February 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

I wish all the liberals, homos, and negroids would fight a war amongst themselves.That way, I don’t have to get sick reading their blogs.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

So, why are you so scared Marquis.

Where are the partriotic Republicans?

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

10:03 Marquis, you sound like a coward. Are you French?

10:03 Dr., If they did fight a war one thing is certain, Marquis would be no where to be found. He’s scared. Marquis is a coward.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

C.A.I.R. asks all US muslism to support a wacko radical islamic professor in Florida who’s on a hunger strike. Professor Jihad was charged with funding a jihad group and lying about it. He’s also been suspected of having ties with other radical islamic groups. C.A.I.R., another hero groupthink of the left.

By Dusty

February 17, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

This is a sad day, indeed. The House of Representatives has now put in place one of the darkest blots on American history. A vote to show that America does not give support to our armed forces fighting overseas is a total disgrace. No matter how you put it, that is exactly what it is.

Furthermore, their stated aim is to “starve out” our own armed forces. No other meaning can be applied to the succinct “no funds”. Congress voted for this war and now they act like cowards while our brave ones are fighting for that which we have promised; freedom for Iraqis and the defeat of terrorists in that part of the world.

Laugh about enlistments,insult the President, call cowardice patriotism, cry over military deaths while endangering the living, break all promises, show the world that Americans are sniveling, sneak-aways when the going gets tough. This is not the American Way as it has been known since we won our own freedom.

I thought Viet Nam was a blip on the screen but now it seems to have been a precedent.

The resolution means nothing?? Oh yes it does. It aims for defeat. Most Americans know that.

Our Congress better “get its act together” and put the well being of America ahead of their politics. Right now, it seems to be polls, politics and push back.

That is not the way to win a war against terrorism. That is not the way to support our military fighting for us. I am ashamed of what our so-called representatives have done.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Wow, Marquis. These Muslims are evil. What are you doing about it?

They kill each other, they go on hunger strikes, they terrorize…..

But here, in the good ol USA people like Marquis blog. What kind of strategy is that? “Please pass the mashed potatoes” just won’t do.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Golly Dusty you are right!!!

Its very serious. Its time for Republicans to enlist! Its your patriotic duty.

Vote YES to the surge….ENLIST

By Markus

February 17, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

As I mentioned here on Wednesday, the DOW hit another record high. The media didn’t mention one word. The RATs in Washington didn’t open their sewers.

Well apparently after someone did a deeper analysis, it appears that Wednesday marked the highest levels since 1998 for transportation and utility averages as well as the DOW to hit highs together. That’s right. The first time since Clintoon has been in office this has happened and everyone went apesh!t back then. But, BUSH is in office now. A Republican!

So what did the media like PMSNBC’s P!ss Matthews have to say about it? [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp]

So what did CNN’s Lou Dobb’s have to say about it? [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp]

So what did the “experts” at the al-Jazeera Constipation have to say about it? [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp]

So what did pseudo-econ expert Robert Reich have to say about it? [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp]

Sick liberals.

http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/myway-com/news-story.asp?guid={C2E5AF13-C206-4BCF-886D-55835F053A3D}

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

So what did the “Chickenhawks” at the al-Jazeera Constipation Blog have to say about the Surge? [BAWK] [BAWK] [BAWK] [BAWK]

So what did pseudo-war expert Marquis have to say about it? [BAWK] [BALK] [BALK] [BAWK]

By Markus

February 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Global warming “models” and actual, factual Antarctic tempartures disagree. Gee. I wonder if that has anything to do with the Arctic melting (that has every lib wetting their panties) while the Antarctic is freezing more (which has been ignored by the Alsores).

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/osu-atd021207.php

Here’s a snapshot of the the temps in Lancaster, WI from 1930-2000. Check the trend out. So what does this mean Kool-Aid drinkers, global warming is just selective? Idiots.

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/Template/0_CO2ScienceB2C/images/currentissue/lancasterwi.jpg

Oh yeah, kindly note how last year it was forecasted to be a massive hurricane season. Yet, not one hurricane hit US shores. Not one. And we’re supposed to know for a fact that mankind is causing global warming? Someone tell the Alsore that his hockey stick matches the output of the sun activity over the same time.

By time for the truth

February 17, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Watching the yellowbellied red scum on here drooling and whining about how gleefully their despicable treasonous party of hate and a handful of equally despicable congressional GOP traitors hate the military and want to see America defeated shows us all that the twisted obsessive Bush hate world these spineless snivelling hate America wankers subsist in is dominated by a gutless, perfidious, catastrophic cut and run lack of vision.

Liberalism is undeniably an evil abortion of an ideology (note the extremely loose use of ‘ideology’). Liberalism is a sick twisted mental disease that needs to be immediately expunged from civilised society. Liberal rantings and robotic liberal cowardice may well end up costing America dear. Liberals are the enemy within. A clear and ever present danger that makes all de cent folks sick to their patriotic stomachs.

DEATH TO LIBERALISM

By Markus

February 17, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

NBC military analyst quits NBC due to it’s horseass leftwing slant. Part of his reason was that NBC didn’t take action against that piece of liberal sh!t Bill Arkin who said our soldiers were mercenaries. Nah, liberal media bias is a myth. Hah. Hahahah. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Sick, twisted, deranged jackasses.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/stories/MYSA021507.02O.allard0215.39ca78.html

By Buy Danish (the First)

February 17, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Corky the Coward,

Here is what former P.O.W. and U.S. Rep. Sam Johnson said on the floor of the House yesterday:

This is a long post, but everyone should read every word of this:

You know, I flew 62 combat missions in the Korean War and 25 missions in the Vietnam War before being shot down.

I had the privilege of serving in the United States Air Force for 29 years, attending the prestigious National War College, and commanding two air bases, among other things.

I mention these stories because I view the debate on the floor not just as a U.S. Congressman elected to serve the good people of the Third District in Texas, but also through the lens of a life-long fighter pilot, student of war, a combat warrior, a leader of men, and a Prisoner of War.

Ironically, this week marks the anniversary that I started a new life - and my freedom from prison in Hanoi. I spent nearly seven years as a Prisoner of War in Vietnam, more than half of that time in solitary confinement. I flew out of Hanoi on February 12, 1973 with other long-held Prisoners of War - weighing just 140 pounds. And tomorrow - 34 years ago, I had my homecoming to Texas - a truly unspeakable blessing of freedom.

While in solitary confinement, my captors kept me in leg stocks, like the pilgrims… for 72 days….

As you can imagine, they had to carry me out of the stocks because I couldn’t walk. The following day, they put me in leg irons… for 2 ½ years. That’s when you have a tight metal cuff around each ankle - with a foot-long bar connecting the legs.

I still have little feeling in my right arm and my right hand… and my body has never been the same since my nearly 2,500 days of captivity.

But I will never let my physical wounds hold me back.

Instead, I try to see the silver lining. I say that because in some way … I’m living a dream…a hope I had for the future. “From April 16, 1966 to February 12, 1973 - I prayed that I would return home to the loving embrace of my wife, Shirley, and my three kids, Bob, Gini, and Beverly…

And my fellow POWs and I clung to the hope of when - not if - we returned home.

We would spend hours tapping on the adjoining cement walls about what we would do when we got home to America.

We pledged to quit griping about the way the government was running the war in Vietnam and do something about it… We decided that we would run for office and try to make America a better place for all.

So - little did I know back in my rat-infested 3 x 8 dark and filthy cell that 34 years after my departure from Hell on Earth… I would spend the anniversary of my release pleading for a House panel to back my measure to support and fully fund the troops in harm’s way….and that just days later I would be on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives surrounded by distinguished veterans urging Congress to support our troops to the hilt.

We POWs were still in Vietnam when Washington cut the funding for Vietnam. I know what it does to morale and mission success. Words can not fully describe the horrendous damage of the anti-American efforts against the war back home to the guys on the ground.

Our captors would blare nasty recordings over the loud speaker of Americans protesting back home…tales of Americans spitting on Vietnam veterans when they came home… and worse.

We must never, ever let that happen again.

The pain inflicted by your country’s indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors.

Our troops - and their families - want, need and deserve the full support of the country - and the Congress. Moms and dads watching the news need to know that the Congress will not leave their sons and daughters in harm’s way without support.

Since the President announced his new plan for Iraq last month, there has been steady progress. He changed the rules of engagement and removed political protections.

There are reports we wounded the number two of Al Qaeda and killed his deputy. Yes, Al Qaeda operates in Iraq. It’s alleged that top radical jihadist Al-Sadr has fled Iraq - maybe to Iran. And Iraq’s closed its borders with Iran and Syria. The President changed course and offered a new plan …we are making progress. We must seize the opportunity to move forward, not stifle future success.

Debating non-binding resolutions aimed at earning political points only destroys morale, stymies success, and emboldens the enemy.

The grim reality is that this House measure is the first step to cutting funding of the troops…Just ask John Murtha about his ‘slow-bleed’ plan that hamstrings our troops in harm’s way.

Now it’s time to stand up for my friends who did not make it home - and those who fought and died in Iraq - so I can keep my promise that when we got home we would quit griping about the war and do something positive about it…and we must not allow this Congress to leave these troops like the Congress left us.

Today, let my body serve as a brutal reminder that we must not repeat the mistakes of the past… instead learn from them.

We must not cut funding for our troops. We must stick by them. We must support them all the way…To our troops we must remain…always faithful.

God bless you and I salute you all. Thank you.

You want to call him a “chickenhawk”, coward?

Hat tip: RW and LuckoDull

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Support the war on terrorism. Support the surge. ENLIST

By Cal

February 17, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Jim, can you believe this crap coming out of congress?

During Vietnam, the complaint from the generals was that politicians were micromanaging the war. The vietnamese deaths after withdrawal was our moment of shame. Bush hasn’t forgotten those deaths but congressional politicians have. Hang your heads you sons of b***.

During this war in Iraq, the dems complaint was that Rumsfeld was micromanaging the war.

What are the demwits doing with this nonbinding resolution? Answer! MICROMANAGING THE FROOKIN’ WAR.

What a bunch of hypo-critical losers.

They had an invitation from Zawahiri in December to negotiate with him and BinLaden. It looks like they’re going to the jihadist party.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Why are patriotic Republicans not enlisting?????

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

LMAO Cal. Your buddy Marquis is scared. If our Republican patriots would enlist we could over power the terrorists.

Please Republicans. Find some courage. ENLIST

Where are the REAL patriots. Your country needs you.

By TW

February 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Congress would cut funds for the operation. If the president continues to put the troops in harms way after that, then he should be impeached. In selling the power of the purse as something that circumvents the president’s discretion, the GOP once again looks to give ‘w’ the mulligan they owe him for the tax breaks…

By Markus

February 17, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Does someone have some birdshot shells I can borrow? There’s an annoying liboparrot stuck on stupid that keeps flying around leaving the same droppings over and over on this blog.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

EXCELLENT post BD. This shows the true Americans. Not these posers like Corked Butt who have never supported a damn thing in their pathetic wasted lives except taking from those who work for a living and succeed. Then we have John Effin’ Kerry who took his Sonycam to ‘Nam and got some great Purple Heart shots before testifying against people like Rep. Johnson and Senator McCain who were still over there getting tortured in the Hanoi Hilton. Sick liberal pigs. What they say is dead air. Meaningless. Pointless. Non-existent. Eff em all and the jackasses they rode in on.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

John Kerry = Tarnished Purple Heart.

Marquis = Coward.

Republican war dodgers = Cowards.

By Cal

February 17, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Hey Gasplug Corky, I see you here every weekend telling conservatives to enlist. I’ve got plenty of co-workers in the reserves over there. I’ve got a nephew serving in the military.

I get e-mails from them all the time. They tell me to fight the good fight here at home. Are you blogging from Iraq asswipe?

Have you heard what our military in Iraq is saying about this stupid resolution? They ain’t happy, I can tell you that moron.

Look at Sam Johnson’s speech to congress. He’s a politician whose sporting a pair. You’re just a sad sack.

Now go make yourself useful and shove it.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

John McCain = Hero

Marquis = Coward

Republican war dodgers = Cowards.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Anybody get any action in that DeadAir America firesale auction last week? I was looking to see if one could participate via internet, but no dice. I just wanted that microphone that queen DeadAir liberal demoncat Randi Rhodes used.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/02/12/ap3418974.html

The stench of diseased neoMarxist pacifist liberalism on that microphone would have made a great collector’s item since one aspect of the disease of liberalism is self-quasi-sterilization of reproduction. It must be a “group” thing that sick liberals love to tout so much. Groups don’t breed. Individuals do. But don’t tell liberals that. Heh. Hehehehe.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/17/INGEJL45D11.DTL

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Pacifist? You don’t like pacifists? What a hypocrit.

What is the cute little name you give Republican war dodgers? I call them cowards.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Cal, don’t waste your time with this sick liberal diseased monkey corked butt. It doesn’t know where it came from, what it supports, and where it’s going. It just sits here and blogs mindless liberal bullsnot with many different aliases day in and day out over and over. Besides, should you really care what this assmonkey liberal thinks about any military matter after it’s disgusting ilk spat on our soldiers returning from Vietnam or after they supported a draft-dodging president who ignored terrorism for 8 years? I sure as hell don’t. [spit]

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

So what is your role in the war on terrorism Marquis? How have you supported the war effort?

Why are YOU dodging the war, like Clinton did?

By Cal

February 17, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

At least there’s one smart jackass. He knows who the enemy is and where to find him.

Donkey leads border patrol to cache, suspect

A jackass the troops can appreciate.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Chinese fortune tellers:

“Year of the pig will bring disaster.”

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070217/pigyear070217/20070217?hub=TopStories&s_name=

No sh!t. The candyassed cut-n-run demonRATs took over congress this year. What the hell else is new.

By Order of The Yellow Stripe

February 17, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

These filthy cowards should be the first recipients of the George Dumbya Bush Medal for Blogging Valor a.k.a The Order of teh Yellow Stripe - Andi/e, Markanus, pftt/tftt, Bi Danish, and RW.

Earthworms have more spine than that bunch of whaleshiite.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

“The candyassed cut-n-run demonRATs took over congress this year. “

What do you call those that never cut-n-run? You know the sissies that only ran? Like you.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Pelosivich says that Bush has “no previous authority to go into Iran.” and the liberal media covers her statement like Queen Oprah had just spoken about something. Now exactly who in the HELL in the Bush administration said we had plans on invading Iran again? [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp][chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp] [chirp]

By Some Serve, Andi Services

February 17, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

The silly cowardly poof that s/he is, that’s all s/he’s good at - servicing the troops. Just like her Mom.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Hey whineyassed liberal multiple ID demonRAT from hell: if you don’t like what you read on this C-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e blog, then you are more than welcome to click that cute little pinko Barbie mouse and go to a blog more to your liking. Like on communism.org or bendoverforislamoterrorists.net. Or, you can join both of those which are combined into one at democraticunderground.com. Pathetic liberal gutter garbage.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 01:02 PM | Link to this

“bendoverforislamoterrorists.net”

Is this what they are calling Republican war dodgers now?

Vote yes for the surge. ENLIST

By Typical GOP Coward

February 17, 2007 01:08 PM | Link to this

Even a filthy stupid cowardly redneck like me is embarassed by trash like Marquessa.

Give it up, girlfriend, and STFU for God’s sake. You’re an embarassment.

By Cal

February 17, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this

Markus @ 12:19. You’re right about Corkscrewed Corky. I’ve heard of toilet paper getting stuck to your shoe, but this guy is nothing more than ethanol.

He’s right about one thing though. ALL congressional reps supporting the resolution are cowards. It’s just that dems are leading the way for our enemies, & they’re doing it on the sly.

Congress gives our enemies a little hope

Democrats know that simply cutting off funding for the troops isn’t an option - although some have proposed doing just that. The American people would perceive that as abandoning our soldiers in the field. While polls show a majority oppose the war in Iraq, the country would not tolerate such a measure.

So Murtha has come up with the next best thing - a way to leave the troops in the field, but make it impossible for them to win. ABANDONING THEM

“That stops the surge (in troops) for all intents and purposes, because … they cannot sustain the deployment,” Murtha said as reported by the Associated Press.

AT LEAST BE HONORABLE & ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR A MASS SLAUGHTER OF IRAQIS AFTER YOU FORCE A WITHDRAWAL

DON’T TRY TO SNEAK THRU THE BACKDOOR CASHING OUT ON OUR TROOPS & THE IRAQIS.

This may look like a noble gesture to you ignorant libruls but it’s Murtha sporting a suicide vest d*******.

By The World Of Corny Cobb

February 17, 2007 01:16 PM | Link to this

In the world of Corny Cobb all of the women and children of the United States will fight our terrorist enemies by jumping out of flaming skyscrapers and, with luck, landing on an Al Qaeda loony. Much the way Clinton fought them.

And all of the military age males on the front lines will be replaced with pregnant females so that the men can lay in the gay bath houses all day.

Just listen to what Corny says……

By Cal

February 17, 2007 01:34 PM | Link to this

Never EVER underestimate what dems conspire to do. Undermine, that’s UNDERMINE America’s noble efforts.

If anyone, that’s ANYONE thinks this resolution is because they care about our troops, then you need to read, that’s READ more carefully.

It’s all about the 2008 presidential election. They’ll give our troops the short straw thinking it will give them a presidential win in 2008. Pathetic backdoor traitors.

It’s going to backfire, not unlike what the Cob Knob does here obsessively 7 days a week.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2007 01:44 PM | Link to this

Yesterday at MLs the Parrots began the day squawking about the lack of body armor for our troops.

Here is a detailed look at that situation, and also at Murtha’s BS about troops needing a year between deployments. This paragraph came last, but I’m putting it first:

Logistics, manpower, strategy. This is a holy trinity that should never be tampered with by politicians. Never. Especially politicians who seem to have no clue as to how the military operates. You can’t just wave a magic wand and double the size of the special forces, nor can you interject yourself into the troop rotation schedules. And it’s fantasy to think that a politician jumping himherself into the incredibly military logistics infastructure is going to somehow boost our ability to effectively prosecute a war.

Of course they don’t want to effectively prosecute the war, and the sad truth is that that’s what all this congressional wimpering is really about.

By Cal

February 17, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

Hey look you libruls. Another King has spoken & he knows what he’s talking about too.

“Talk is cheap, and actions have consequences. You cannot support the troops if you are undermining their mission and challenging their commander in the field.

You dem a**holes voted for Petreus. Support him and the troops he’s in charge of.

“By opposing this new policy, the supporters of the resolution are clearly undermining our new commander in Iraq at such a vital time in the conduct of this war.”

The surge has been successful in the first week. What’s the rush? Early campaign season is my guess.

The Democratic Party took America down this road once before, in the ’70s, and the consequences for the nation and its allies were appalling.

Are the dems learning from history or their braindead anti-war socialist loving revolutionists?

By Cal

February 17, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

The Shiite Sadr Brigade is laying low. Sadr is MIA. Masri is on temporary assignment somewhere or nowhere.

Let’s check in and see what the Sunnis are up to in Ramadi.

For nearly four years, the tribes around Ramadi survived by playing both sides, working with U.S. forces when it suited them, while at the same time helping or tolerating Sunni insurgent groups and al Qaeda in Iraq — the terrorist organization once led by Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi.

That changed in August, according to U.S. Army Col. Sean MacFarland, commander of the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division, which has been responsible for security operations in Ramadi since June.

Al Qaeda in Iraq — which has also turned its intimidation tactics on the tribal leaders — kidnapped and killed Sheik Khalid of the Albu Ali Jassim tribe and left his body where it could not be found, preventing the family from burying him within 24 hours as prescribed by Muslim tradition.

“Al Qaeda overplayed its hand,” Col. MacFarland said at his headquarters, a dusty base on the west side of Ramadi.

At a meeting that month, several sheiks drew up an 11-point declaration vowing to fight al Qaeda, within the rule of law, and declaring solidarity with coalition and government security forces. It is a movement referred to by the tribes as “the Awakening.”

Al Qaeda “assassinated a lot of the sheiks,” said Sheik Ahmed Abureeshah, 41, whose brother, Sheik Sitar, is the driving force behind the initiative. “They killed my father. They killed three of my brothers. They killed 14 other sheiks from different tribes. …

It looks like the Sunnis are p** and onto the right target now.

Congress is just p** away the opportunity to win in Iraq.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this

You guys better enlist. Quick. This sounds serious!

OUR FREEDOM IS AT STAKE.

By jm

February 17, 2007 02:47 PM | Link to this

It is a good thing that President Bush has an MBA, I would really hate to see how the budget would look otherwise: Disturbing Budget Trends

Also nice how he basically agreed to the same deal that former President Carter negotiated with North Korea (and President Clinton signed) except he waited until “after” North Korea managed to test a nuclear device.

And these are the guys we are supposed to trust on Iraq/Iran?

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 02:53 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — The Senate gridlocked on the Iraq war in a sharply worded showdown on Saturday as Republicans foiled a Democratic attempt to rebuke President Bush over his deployment of 21,500 additional combat troops.

It took the minority in the Senate to put an end to this Anti American spinelessness.

Let’s hear the whimpers from you punka-ss turncoat traitors.

Al Qaida appeasing hypocrite feminist pus-sies.

Maggots.

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By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

Vote Yes for the surge. ENLIST

Please, don’t be a war dodger.

By Cal

February 17, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

Bwaaaaaa the majority dems shot down by the minority in the senate vote. How could that be?

The Republican senators have scruples, that’s how. The dems have got nothin. No plans. No hopes for Iraq. No balls.

Senate Republican leaders say they oppose considering measures denouncing Bush’s Iraq strategy unless Democrats also agree to allow a vote on a rival Republican-backed proposal forbidding a cutoff of funding to U.S. troops.

As long as our troops are there you damn well better give them what they need to do their jobs. The American people will stand for nothing less.

Republicans on Saturday accused Democrats of being divided on the funding issue and afraid to bring it to a vote.

Afraid to fight a war. Afraid to accept the consequences of their cut & run policies.

“The reason we are here on Saturday playing stupid political games… is because our colleagues on the other side of the aisle are afraid to take a vote on cutting off funding,” declared Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican.

Lindsey Graham can see into the soul of a cut & run democrat. He knows they’re stupid chickensh1ts.

“This is a very, very sad Saturday for the U.S. Senate on the heels of a disaster in the U.S. House,” Graham said.

Damn straight Lindsey. The day a bunch of chickensh1t dems put their party’s hopes for 2008 above our troops is truly a sad day. Pathetic poll dancing strippers.

Wars aren’t popular. They never have been, they never will be. They have to be won anyway.

House Democrats are considering ways to restrict Bush’s use of $93.4 billion in new war funds to keep him from using it for the troop buildup. Several Republicans condemned that as a “slow bleed” of the war effort.

Slow bleed is right. Hopefully it won’t be from our troops. It’ll be from the wrists of the dems.

By Magistrate

February 17, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

Reid: The Senate Is on Record Against Escalation

Bipartisan majority votes against escalating the war in Iraq

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid released the following statement on today’s vote in the United States Senate in which a bipartisan majority voted against President Bush’s flawed plan to escalate the war.

“Today, a bipartisan majority of the United States Senate voted against the President’s flawed plan to escalate the war. The Senate joined the House of Representatives, put itself on the record, and told the President that America needs a new direction in Iraq. As for the Republicans who chose once again to block further debate and protect President Bush, the American people now know they support the escalation.

“Today’s vote against the escalation is not the end of this Iraq debate in the Senate. This war is too important to permit Senate Republicans to brush it aside. The Bush Administration’s failures have put our troops and America in a deep hole, and it is time for this country and this Congress to climb out. The Republican Leadership can run from this debate, but they can’t hide. The Senate will keep fighting to force President Bush to change course.”

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 04:42 PM | Link to this

The only thing Reid got (4:24 ^^) was another as-s whooping.

He’s getting good at those.

THIS GRAND JURY CHARGES PATRICK J. FITZERALD with ignoring the fact that there was no basis for a criminal investigation from the day he was appointed, with handling some witnesses with kid gloves and banging on others with a mallet, with engaging in past contretemps with certain individuals that might have influenced his pursuit of their liberty, and with misleading the public in a news conference because … well, just because.

Now that would be the right man to put on trial, let’s do it.

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By jm

February 17, 2007 04:46 PM | Link to this

of course, for the last 3 years, the republicans have been afraid to actually declare a war. Remember article 1, section 8, clause 11 of that little document that this administration feels free to ignore, the constitution.

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 04:49 PM | Link to this

RAMADI, Iraq — Sunni tribes in troubled Anbar province have begun working closely with U.S. and government forces, contributing nearly 2,400 men to the police department and 1,600 to a newly organized tribal security force, authorities say. By a U.S. count, 12 of the Ramadi area’s 21 tribes are cooperating in the security effort, six are considered neutral, and three are actively hostile. That is almost the reverse of the tribal posture last June, when three were cooperative and 12 were hostile.

And here I thought Anbar was lost forever:

Is Iraq’s Anbar province a lost cause? NBC News Updated: 7:26 p.m. ET Sept 12, 2006

What’d it take, just a couple weeks to prove that BS wrong.

I’m still waiting for you libs to show me something the pinko media has EVER gotten right.

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By Markus

February 17, 2007 04:54 PM | Link to this

What’s your point Menstruate? Dirty Harry Reid said:

“As for the Republicans who chose once again to block further debate…”

And…

“The Republican Leadership can run from this debate, but they can’t hide.”

What in the HELL do you jackass liberals think the Republicans were trying to do when the RAT pack refused to allow a debate on an alternative that ruled out any reduction in money for troops in the field? THAT is refusing to debate when the pantywaste left won’t even CONSIDER debating a measure to not rule something out. The Republicans told the cut-n-runners to stick it. Then the sickassed liberal media plays it out like the Republicans are the bad guys as rejecting a debate on Iraq. PATHETIC.

By PoofoDull

February 17, 2007 04:55 PM | Link to this

I’m a coward from Cobb County - a spineless, gutless, effeminate weasel.

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By Buy Danish

February 17, 2007 04:56 PM | Link to this

Note to Senator Hari kari Reid:

With General Petreus leading the charge, we have taken a “new direction in Iraq” so STFU and give the plan a chance to work.

Let’s flashback a bit, while we’re at it:

Dec. 5. 2006 - In a surprise twist in the debate over Iraq, DEMOCRAT War Veteran Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the soon-to-be chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said he wants to see an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops as part of a stepped up effort to “dismantle the militias.”

When a reporter suggested that was not a position that was likely to be popular with many House Democrats, Reyes replied: “Well again, I differ in that I don’t want Iraq to become the next Afghanistan. We could not allow Iraq to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda, for Hamas, for Hizbullah, or anybody else. We cannot allow Iran or Syria to have a free hand in there to further destabilize the Middle East.”

But that was then and this is now. Yesterday Reyes voted along with Nancy Pelosi in support of the morale-depleting resolution.

I wonder what they gave him to change his mind?

More flashbacks from 6/2005 under the headline Bush Critics Call for More Troops in Iraq:

Bloviating Sen. John Kerry, Bush’s Democratic opponent in last year’s presidential election, told NBC’s “Today” show that the borders of Iraq “are porous” and said “we don’t have enough troops” there.

Grandstanding Sen. Joseph Biden Jr., appearing on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” disputed Bush’s notion that sufficient troops are in place.

Gosh, do you think that they just automatically say the opposite of what Bush says?:

Bloviating Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden, as Foreign Relations Committee chairman, will lead the rest of the Democrats not only to oppose a surge but to block it.

By Dusty

February 17, 2007 04:56 PM | Link to this

Hey, let’s give a hand to the Senators. At least, somebody in Congress has good sense. I think we had better let them know they did the right thing, ‘specially Lindsey Graham, that good South Carolina Senator who spoke so well.

Sounds like the Democrats are going all out to take down our own troops. Harry Reid and Pelosi are still spouting their mumbo-jumbo about “forcing President Bush to change course”. What a nightmare!! Imagine those two telling the President how to run the war. The surge would be conducted under white flags with Democrats throwing kisses to the terrorists.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2007 04:57 PM | Link to this

jm,

Exactly who would you like Congress to declare war against?

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 05:04 PM | Link to this

OK Republicans its now time for another vote.

This time the vote is being held at your nearest recruitment office. Don’t be a war dodger. Support our troops. Support Freedom. Support America. Kill the terrorists.

Now is the time.

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 05:08 PM | Link to this

Danish: You forgot one-

Reid: Brief Troop Increase OK in Iraq By HOPE YEN The Associated Press Sunday, December 17, 2006; 4:01 PM

This was before he knew Bush had the same idea, hehehe.

We can’t have a unified government backing our troops and their mission while they are in the field, Heavens no, that might let the terrorists know their fight is hopeless.

And then they would surrender, oh the horror!

It’s much braver to attack the president, yes, that shows big balls, such courage.

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By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:10 PM | Link to this

Freakshow Alsore rules out White House bid in 2008. Awe. What a crying damned shame. Now Mr. Roostertail Eyebrows he’ll just have to reduce himself to flying all over the planet and burning jet-A b!tchin’ about alleged man-made global warming. Oh wait, he’s already been doing that for over a year. So what’s NEWS about this? Phbtbtbtbtbtbt. Libofreak.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/16/070216193307.67kfaghf.html

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 05:13 PM | Link to this

Now if our Republican leaders would just start a “Support the Troops” campaign.

We could have recruiters at our war supporting churches. Recruiters could be invited to speak at a Cobb County Rotary Club meeting. Fox News could have a weekend recruitment marathon.

Now is your chance, the threat is real! Its time to enlist!

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:15 PM | Link to this

What did the liberal climatologist working for Al Sore say about the man-made hoopla of man-made global warming before he froze to death on the Antarctic?

“I wish I could quit you.”

By PoofoDull's Tiny Testes

February 17, 2007 05:16 PM | Link to this

Can’t tell if s/he’s a boy or a girl!

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By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:19 PM | Link to this

EXCELLENT catch WD. I was trying to find a link of Dirty Harry Reid and other RATs supporting an increase in Iraq but couldn’t find one. Watch the candyassed liberals whistle by that factoid. Sickassed freaks of nature.

By FoxNews

February 17, 2007 05:20 PM | Link to this

“You can support the troops but not the president.” —Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.” —Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?” —Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

“[The] President … is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.” —Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.” —Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.” —Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.” —Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today” —Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.” —Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

February 17, 2007 — PROVIDING aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime is treason. It’s not “just politics.” It’s treason. And signaling our enemies that Congress wants them to win isn’t “supporting our troops.” The “nonbinding resolution” telling the world that we intend to surrender to terrorism and abandon Iraq may be the most disgraceful congressional action since the Democratic Party united to defend slavery. We’ve reached a low point in the history of our government when a substantial number of legislators would welcome an American defeat in Iraq for domestic political advantage.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

What did the chickenhawk Marquis say to the recruiter?

“I wish I could quit you.”

The army recruiter responded angrily to Marquis, “Hell, you haven’t even signed up yet. How the hell can you quit. Oh my God, did you just cr@p your pants????????? You are a Sissy!, get out of here Frenchy!!!”

After Maquis’ mommy picked him up the recruiter shook his head and said, “Another Republican coward.”

By Magneto

February 17, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

Markus,

All of these conservative Homos must love death or something. If it were left up to you, we’d still be in Vietnam getting our asses kicked.

By Magneto

February 17, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Last comment was for you.

By Magneto

February 17, 2007 05:33 PM | Link to this

Great quotes Fox News!!!

Markus and his rightwing flunkies on this blog needed to be educated.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:33 PM | Link to this

It’s obviously that time again! Time for the RAT comments on Iraq and Saddam. Sickassed liberals.

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 http://web.archive.org/web/20040204225854/www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc20030123.html

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 http://web.archive.org/web/20040206224935/johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc20021009.html

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/04/us.un.iraq/

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/iraq.political.analysis/

“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.” - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/01/iraq/

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/iraq172.htm

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton. - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/17/wh.critics/

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:u62ZeSGUfj0J:washingtontimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm+%22Saddam+Hussein+has+been+engaged+in+the+development+of+weapons+of+mass+destruction+technology+which+is+a+threat+to+countries+in+the+region+and+he+has+made+a+moc

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092302.html

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:u62ZeSGUfj0J:washingtontimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm+%22Saddam+Hussein+has+been+engaged+in+the+development+of+weapons+of+mass+destruction+technology+which+is+a+threat+to+countries+in+the+region+and+he+has+made+a+moc

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

STICK IT, LIBERALS.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:37 PM | Link to this

Hey look folks! Enimacobb can’t come up with an original comment all day and has to feeder-band like an Alsore-inspired hurricane off the ideas of others. Typical waste of a brain due to a sickness of the disease of demonRAT liberalism.

Liberalism: indocrinating one unused mind at a time.

By Apocalypse

February 17, 2007 05:37 PM | Link to this

To Markus:

What the hell was the point in displaying all the lies that led us into this war? Everything you just printed has been since proven untrue.

Thanks for the help dumba$$!!

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:43 PM | Link to this

Yeah educate THAT, you sick neocommunist liberal pigs from hell.

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 05:46 PM | Link to this

Mr. Murtha’s cynicism is matched by an alarming ignorance about conditions in Iraq. He continues to insist that Iraq “would be more stable with us out of there,” in spite of the consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies that early withdrawal would produce “massive civilian casualties.” He says he wants to force the administration to “bulldoze” the Abu Ghraib prison, even though it was emptied of prisoners and turned over to the Iraqi government last year. He wants to “get our troops out of the Green Zone” because “they are living in Saddam Hussein’s palace”; could he be unaware that the zone’s primary occupants are the Iraqi government and the U.S. Embassy? It would be nice to believe that Mr. Murtha does not represent the mainstream of the Democratic Party or the thinking of its leadership. Yet when asked about Mr. Murtha’s remarks Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered her support. Does Ms. Pelosi really believe that the debate she orchestrated this week was not “the real vote”? If the answer is yes, she is maneuvering her party in a way that can only do it harm.-Washington Post

We need to deploy this idiot Murtha to Okinawa.

All these liberals are just as stupid as the day is long.

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By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2007 05:48 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse,

Since many of those quotes Markus gave you are from 1998 does President Bush get to hide behind an excuse that Clinton lied and fooled him?

By Magneto

February 17, 2007 05:48 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Since you love war so much, why don’t you join the troops and die for a lost cause. Anything beats sitting around throwing temper tantrums at strangers.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 05:49 PM | Link to this

Marquis, what are you doing to fight terrorism?

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:50 PM | Link to this

No it hasn’t, communist liberal trash. Saddam did have WMDs. He USED them. Remnants were found in 2003. You gutter trash liberals just never got the news from the Slimes and Compost and CNN.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:52 PM | Link to this

Yeah one more thing you pathetic multiple ID liberal neocommunist freak: why does Hillary still stand by her stance on the Iraq war? See 2002 quote above.

By Dusty

February 17, 2007 05:53 PM | Link to this

Corky,

Speaking of mommies picking up their little ones, haven’t you been here a long time? The Recruiter told me you had been out front selling Girl Scout cookies the entire day. Cute uniform. Take your seizure meds now and run on home. Bye.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2007 05:56 PM | Link to this

Corky cocked Foreskin,

Do you have something against Cobb County jackass? Too far from your cave in Afghanistan perhaps? Or is just too far from the Star Bar?

By Markus

February 17, 2007 05:56 PM | Link to this

Multiple ID liberal gutter trash: what are you doing to combat homelessness and poverty? Sickassed neoStalinist liberal pig.

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 05:57 PM | Link to this

Marquis, what are you doing to fight terrorism?

By Corky Cobb

February 17, 2007 05:59 PM | Link to this

Hey Marquis, is it true?

Are you a war dodger?

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2007 06:05 PM | Link to this

WootenDull,

Thanks for the reminder of slippery Reids flip flop and thanks for that WaPo Editorial.

I wonder if their sister publication (the New York Times) agrees with the sentiment, since they’ve been championing the anti-war Left freak fringe element of the Dem Party for eons.

By Markus

February 17, 2007 06:09 PM | Link to this

Multiple ID assbandit liberal: “wars” are fought at HOME too as was mentioned earlier today here. Guess which side you are on, pathetic sick liberal freak.

By WootenDull

February 17, 2007 06:50 PM | Link to this

Like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s point man, Jack Murtha. Seldom in the history of the republic has an elected official so delighted in the idea of preventing American troops from doing their jobs, and yesterday the Pennsylvania congressman was practically licking his chops at the prospect of shutting down their funding and stopping them in their tracks. Actual Murtha quote: “They won’t have the equipment, they don’t have the training and they won’t be able to do the work.” Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and company are not about to vote outright to cut off funding for the war, as that would require political courage.

Cowardly jackals.

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