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By Redneck Convert

January 29, 2007 08:26 AM | Link to this

Well, I see the commie pinko Jane Fonda is raising a ruckus again. I agree with Wooten. The protest marches is wore out in this country. I’m tired of them, except for the ones that support my causes.

We don’t need no voter opinion in this country. I like the way our President handles that. He don’t give a hoot what the voters say, he’s going to do things his own way. And he don’t give a hoot what the Congress says, he’s going to do things his own way. If he don’t like a law Congress passes, he just signs it and puts out a statement that the law really says what he thinks it ought to say, not what Congress says the law says. Like if the Congress says no spying on private mail. My hero Bush just signs the law and puts out a statement that says this law allows spying on private mail. That will fix the commie pinko Congress.

We got to the sorry pass we are in because presidents let other people tell them what the law is. Bunch of wusses. I’m glad we got a real American in the White House. So let Jane Fonda and the other commie pinkos just shut up. We don’t care how many votes you got in the last election. If we run things by elections, we would be worshipping in a mosque today.

By Peter

January 29, 2007 08:43 AM | Link to this

Jim, How pompas you are today, the right to voice opinion is American, and apparently you are not!

This current administration has filled the American Public with lies starting with the Contract to America, to secret agreements with the White House Secret Service Staff…..so we are not allowed to know what the VP has been brewing for his propaganda machine.

You are in the wrong, the American Public spoke during the last election, and continues to do so today, with many Replican Senators against this war, and the troop build up.

Jim why don’t you become more American Like and be open to DEBATE of the issues, instead of being the sarcastic silly person you portray yourself.

Jim Why Don’t you love your country?

By Randy

January 29, 2007 08:59 AM | Link to this

Wooten, Protestors are just tools of the trade. Haven’t you heard?

By CJ

January 29, 2007 09:11 AM | Link to this

Marches, demonstrations, candlelight vigils, fund raisers, and any other massing of humanity for the purpose of making a statement are great American traditions. Voting and then going home to wait until the next election isn’t enough. We’re too accepting of bad decisions from our representatives in government, and we need to do more between election days to let them know where we stand and how we want them to represent us better. Such activities are also important for letting like-minded thinkers know that they’re not alone, for sparking discussion and debate, and to persuade. Such marches and demonstrations work, and I applaud those who care enough to participate. (By the way, I wonder where Wooten stood on this subject in 2000 when paid Republican operatives were pretending to be Florida citizens carrying signs and pounding on doors to protest ballot recounts.)

Jane Fonda apologized for going to Hanoi and for her actions there. You don’t have to forgive her, but her activities, then or now, don’t change the fact that President Bush screwed the pooch. Change the subject all you want, but starting the war in Iraq was wrong, and we’re digging the hole deeper with Bush’s troop escalation.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 09:11 AM | Link to this

Eleven Score and Eleven years ago, liberty was born.

I wonder if Lincoln had to do some mathematical calculation with a pencil to figure out how many years had passed between 1863 and 1776. I wonder if he had first made an error in subtraction and it took an aide to spot it, “Mr President, it’s been four score and seven years, not four score and three years.” (“Well, I’ve never been good with numbers, I’m a people person, you know, and if you’re so smart, how many better angels can fit on the head of a pin?”)

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 09:16 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. As one who remains gung-ho for the war in Iraq, I am always pleased to see moonbats of any sort in public – that enhances my arguments in a negative way. The moonbats will allege that Jim is trying to “censor” their ideas (or they’ll use similar silly language averring deprivation of first amendment rights even though there is no government action implicated.)

The interesting question Jim raises is, “what is a modern alternative to marches, sit-ins, rallies, etc.?” At risk of noting the obvious, the 21st century changed the method of protest, but many have not noticed. When President Clinton lied under oath to deprive a litigant of a fair hearing, how did the facts surface? When John Kerry fudged the facts about his 92 days of military service and his three purple hearts, how did the protest take shape? When CBS published forged materials about President Bush’s military service, how did the truth get out?

Answer to all: bloggers on the internet raised the questions. Drudge created the phenomenon in President Clinton’s case, but we see it over and over now. The internet works as a cooling tower, as silly arguments dissipate quickly, and substantial concerns only grow. We are the modern method of protest; Jane’s technique is so 1960s. Didn’t she look silly this weekend, at least compared to the quick destruction of Dan Rather’s career?

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 09:20 AM | Link to this

Eleven score and eleven years. There’s that number eleven again. (nine eleven. seven eleven. eleven eleven).

eleven is a weird word. stare at it. after a short time it seems mispelled.

Eleven score and eleven years ago, americans were dissed by a king. it hurt us so much, that the first thing we proclaimed as countrymen was that all men are created equal. We are as good as kings. We deserve respect.

Numerologists would have a field day predicting that doomsday would have some eleven connection.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 09:34 AM | Link to this

Jane Fonda’s speech was about as well received and appropriate as the small talk with which models taunt contestants before opening the case on Deal or No Deal. (Shut up and open the case). And how about the mugging those models do to precurse the amount in the case? As the case falls open, the model facially mimes some joy or disappointment. (I never knew acting like that was possible).

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 09:37 AM | Link to this

There were only eleven apostles left on good friday. Judas died that night. Whatever happened to those thirty pieces of silver? Maybe Judas was shortchanged and he only actually received eleven pieces of silver. Starting to see a pattern here?

By harold

January 29, 2007 09:42 AM | Link to this

harold missed whatever The Jane said, but harold is guessing she didn’t say anything the majority of the country isn’t saying, so why crucify her for it?

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 09:47 AM | Link to this

Way to go, Jim Wooten.

I am so tired of these anti-American Americans. I am tired of these “I’m all for you but I’m against you” people.

And Peter, why don’t YOU love your country? You cough up enough propaganda on this blog to please all the Jane Fonda types.

Nobody has stopped you, Peter, from debating. What you really dislike is hearing from conservatives. Too bad ‘cause we are right here, supporting our war efforts, our troops and OUR President i.e., “our” meaning USA in case you have forgotten.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

January 29, 2007 09:47 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten you missed the most important point of all regarding Ms. Fonda’s appearance. Consistency. While many politicians wave around, foundering with wherever the wind of public opinion is blowing, Ms. Fonda once again lends her celebrity to a consistent cause/message which is ending an unjust war (in her eyes.) Nice shot at Kerry’s service also, how many days in combat did “W” serve during the Vietnam era, or Cheney, or Saxby Chambliss, or Newt Gingrich (“you better believe I went to grad school, I didn’t want to go to Vietnam”). Consistency Mr. Wooten, whether or not you disagree with the position, speaks to a strength that many leaders in both parties are seemingly lacking.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 09:49 AM | Link to this

Jane Fonda is too much of a distraction from the truth of Iraq, which is that we are trapped and can never leave. Jane Fonda gave millions of Americans false hope that we have the power to overrule the president and leave Iraq. We can overrule the president but we cant leave Iraq. We physically and situationally can never ever ever ever leave Iraq ever.

Not even in Eleven score and eleven years.

By Randy

January 29, 2007 09:49 AM | Link to this

Wooten, I found more squatters, or protestors as you call them.

But what about those poor, indecisive souls who don’t even have a cause but who know, in the depths of their inner being, that their lives would be infinitely more fulfilling if they could only organize their own rally?

How pathetic can a protestor be?

Here’s your media competition Wooten. Protestors for truth & justice at Huffington.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: So you don’t edit their posts?

Huffington: No. If an editor or a commenter spots factual inaccuracies, we point that out. We have a strict rule that it has to be corrected within 24 hours. If not, then we withdraw the blogger’s password. That’s our fact-checking process. But we don’t edit.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: A few months ago, a videoblogger claimed that the White House removed the “Mission Accomplished” banner from the video of George W. Bushs famous speech on the aircraft carrier. That claim itself turned out to be a fraud. Nevertheless, it was picked up by the Huffington Post and is still online there — even though commenters were pointing out that it was fake.

Huffington: … I will check that. That shouldn’t happen. It should have been removed, and if we didn’t do it, we were wrong. The editor on duty should have fact-checked this once they saw a comment pointing that out.

WTF? Is it left online when it’s a convenient truth?

See what I mean about tools Wooten. You’ve got a bunch of them right here on your site. They’re leftists getting their news from Huffington.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 09:51 AM | Link to this

If eleven silly rabbits mated with eleven other silly rabbits then there would be eleven to the eleventh power number of silly rabbits born within eleven months.

that means something.

By Peter

January 29, 2007 09:54 AM | Link to this

Dusty……..tell us what is going on in the White House then……tell us why the VP and President are now blocking information about what they have been doing?

Why is it that they do NOT want the American Public to know who has been visiting them there?

By Rod

January 29, 2007 09:56 AM | Link to this

Jim, you’re a real dumba$$ - you know that?

Jane was right about Vietnam and she’s right about Iraq.

Just because you and your sweetheart Bush are to dumb and a*******inine to know that, doesn’t change anything.

By Pope

January 29, 2007 09:57 AM | Link to this

Silly Rabbit - the thirty pieces of silver were used by the Priests (Judas threw the silver back at them and they couldn’t keep it because it was blood money) to buy a potter’s field - to bury the vagrants in at the time.

By Silly Rabbit Fart Face

January 29, 2007 09:59 AM | Link to this

Looks like *silly rabbit has diarehea of the mouth today. 6 of the first 15 posts are his - without anything substantive coming out!

By Rod

January 29, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Dusty - You, sir, are the true “Anti-American.”

You follow along the President and believe anything he says. A true American, a true Patriot cares more about this country than they do some dimwit who runs it. A true American cares about what’s right and best for this country and will stand up to those idiots who are running this country into the ground - mainly Bush and his stupid advisors. Everyone knows Bush and his policies are wrong. Anti-Americans like you just blindly follow along. One day when Bush is out of office you’ll see how near-sighted you’ve been, how you’ve been supporting the murder of US troops by our President.

You - Dusty - are a treasonous, pathetic, Anti-American. Shame on you.

By Lauren

January 29, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Wake up, Wooten! We have a new form of expression/protest! It’s called internet blogging and it helped to defeat the Republican majority in the last election. But that’s right, you went on vacation and ignored your party’s defeat. I forgot. You are old, moldy and behind the times. And when I say internet blogging, I don’t mean your pitiful blog.

By Jim's a jerk

January 29, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Jane Fonda has more integrity in her pinky finger than Jim Wooten has in his entire body.

By Richard

January 29, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Hey Lauren, Jim didn’t go on vacation, he just ran and hid because he knew how bad the smacking was going to be.

Jim’s a coward. Talks big when the Republicans are in power, when they were going down he hid and cried.

By Brian Curtis

January 29, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Perhaps the anti-war march got more coverage because it represents a much larger majority—indeed, an overwhelming majority—of American opinion?

The so-called “anti-war leftists” are currently the MAINSTREAM of America, Mr. Wooten. The only thing that’s tired here is your old, worn-out insults about “graying hippies” “potheads” and “Hanoi Jane.” You can’t marginalize the majority.

And the antiwar majority IS the dominant voice in America today—made up of a lot more than 60s revivalists. Indeed, it’s made up of liberals, moderates, and even (gasp!) conservatives who are getting a bit tired of being tarred with the “leftist” brush simply because they oppose Bush’s insane adventure.

By jm

January 29, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Dusty, there is a difference between loving your country and blind devotion to its president. Last I checked, President Bush still hasn’t mastered the walking on water bit. That is a small skill I expect before I give anyone my blind devotion.

As for Jane Fonda, there are right ways and wrong ways to protest a war. She usually picks the wrong way.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

The protest in washington over the weekend is a symptom of the rising concern about the future of this country. We are in the midst of quantum leaps of change and revolution in the socio-philisophical base that nags our national conscience. There will always be jingoistic flag wavers, but the majority of americans will accede to the impulses of leaders seeking radical change in the way washington works.

The danger here is in the administration’s attempts to preserve itself against this change, which could lead to a nixonian style coup involving private mercenary forces descending upon the congress and the white house.

What we’ve unleashed in Iraq is uncertainty. Uncertainty leads to fear which leads to radical change. How many of us trust w/cheney to respect the constitution now?

By getalife

January 29, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

America really needs a new form of public expression.

It is called elections, so get use to losing them Jim.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Peter,

Making unfounded accusations without the facts, aren’t you? Have you ever heard of security? Do you want the President to conduct business on the front lawn so you will know all about it?

You are pretty selective on finding out who did what. Sandy Berger was caught removing and destroying classified government documents in his clothing. They were from the Clinton Administration. Why aren’t you upset about that? Why aren’t you DEMANDING to know what was in those important papers ILLLEGALLY removed? And why are you not accusing those Democrats of HIDING facts from the public?

You don’t ask because you only want to smear Republicans. You won’t ask because it was a Democrat from the Clinton Administration doing it.

We understand your protests only too well.

By Peter

January 29, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

What I would like to know is why all the WRONGS on this Blog won’t discuss the issue of the VP Propaganda Machine…..

More light is coming out today in testimony about the twisting of the facts by the VP…… it all started with the Energy Policy for America, he met with the Enron Guys, and didn’t want the minutes to those meetings to come out……

Now we are reading about the Iraq war propaganda, and the BIG ISSUE the Carl Rove situation…..giving up the name of our CIA Agent…..

Let’s discuss the Bull Bush spewed about the Iran Nuke buying …… and the fact that BUSH lied to us in the 2003 State of the Union Speeh!

It appears Mr. Wilson’s report WAS given to the VP prior to that Address to the public!

By holdingAJCaccountable

January 29, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten,

Interesting editorial on public education by the AJC board yesterday. “Interesting” in that it continues a ten year pattern that the AJC editors have yet to write the first editorial advocating that teachers must have support when it comes to discipline.

My question to you Jim is this: Compared to dozens of op/eds on teacher tenure, teacher salary, teacher gift cards, yada, yada, the AJC can’t sacrifice a single tree to write a one editorial advocating teachers must have the right to discipline?!

Does this not come up? Are they locking you out of the room? And you don’t get a total free pass. We know your stand, but even you haven’t put it in print in a column devoted solely to it, have you?

Do y’all need a teacher (not an educrat) to sit with you during editorial board meetings…I’m thinking Downey, Tucker, Bookman, et. al. need some serious time out and “redirection” towards appropriate editorial behavior regarding teachers and discipline.

Share some insight please…

Thank you,

By Mid-South Philosopher

January 29, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim, jbmlaw, and others,

Protest in a democratic republic is good. As Voltaire NEVER said, “I disagree with everything you have said, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

That beind saig, or not said depending upon your point of view, I agree with the notion that the most effective protest is that which is waged at the polls. In fact, I have been protesting against incumbency for some years now. Generally (though not always), if they are “in” office, it is time for them to go.

As for Jane Fonda…she, sort of like Cynthia McKinney and Scooter Libby, is an inconsequential…thrust for a moment on the “stage of infamy” but whose sum total of contributions to the overall good of her fellow human beings signifies nothing.

By abc

January 29, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

You must be joking. The right to assemble is one of the foundations of our freedom. Your message, Wooten, is incredibly anti-American.

By jm

January 29, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

It was a republican president and a republican house and senate that let Sandy Berger walk. You can blame democrats for what he was trying to hide but blame the republicans for letting him walk.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

More later, but this for now.

Apparently things just aren’t going Mr. Wooten’s way. His column today rings of his desperation.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Blind devotion, my foot. Just because I don’t run around saying maybe I will support this or that but maybe I won’t, you wobbly liberals get upset.

A long time ago I pledged allegiance to this country. I still do. We are at war and our elected President is the Commander-in-Chief. I support the country, the troops and the President.

Did I say everything was perfect? No. Did I say the war was going just like I would want it to go? No. But I am not such a simpleton as to encourage our enemies by acting like I don’t know just WHOM it is I support.

Yes, liberals, keep yapping about everything USA. Keep approving the generals and then making resolutions against them. OH, that’s so smart. Like Jim said to Jane, HUSH!

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

I thought Christians, (those who profess to be Christ Like); were supposed to forgive and forget? Move on Jim — you’re showing your age, and your intolerance, bringing up an act done by a woman under 25, 30+ years ago. I wonder if you’d be so kind to we on this blog to share with us how many dumb things you did when you were 25 and under? Oh right, I forgot, you are without sin…..NOT!

By melo

January 29, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

As one who remains gung-ho for the war in Iraq, I am always pleased to see moonbats of any sort in public – that enhances my arguments in a negative way-jbmlaw

And what do u call yourself, if not a moonbat, an ignorant George Bush door Mat, u like that name better, i guess. Have it, door mat and let Bush mislead, wiggle and mislead u as long as he remains lame duck and incompetent. Just keep quiet and stick ur head in the sand and do and say nothing.U and Jim wooden. Door Mats!!

By Peter

January 29, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Come on Dusty……what about the lies from the White House, the VP and his propaganda machine?

By Van

January 29, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

CJ, et.al.

Jane Fonda, the pinko female dog, never apologized for going to Viet Nam, she only apologized for having her picture taken on the Anti-aircraft gun mount.

For the second time in my life I see the far left radicals trying to set the course of America. I see the bleeding hearts saying they care nothing for our country, nothing for our military and even less for the ability of the President and Congress to set policy.

For the second time in my life, I am ashamed for the image this gives our enemies. For anyone that wants to support those we are fighting(by not supporting your own country), you are fools.

By time for the truth

January 29, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

TREASONOUS commie loving SCUM like Hanoi Jane I suck the VC a long long time Fonda need to STFU

Fonda is as hateful and cowardly as the shrewish Pelosibitch, the thick as pigshiite Maxine spews ebonics Waters and the lardarse lying carpet bagging asexual hog HiTllary. As for the deranged supine mental midgets Penn, Sarandon and Robbins… smoking causes cancer - so please smoke 20 at a time dickweeds!!!

I see the unhinged psychopathic blowhard PFC Punkarse is only a weekend infestation, the rest of the week its busy turning tricks for Bwarney Fwank!!

The predicktability of the leftist vermin on here and nationally is truly lemming like in its brainlessness and craven ignorance. What we needed to police this pitifil pathetic worthless gathering of mutant wanking lefty perfifious filth in DC was a couple of fully armed A 130 gunships. At least the commies could have provided some useful weekend target practice so the massive carbon footprint these maggots needlessly perpetrated driving around in their obsessive Bush hate, liberal surrender monkey stickered SUV’s wouldn’t have been completely in vain.

By Peter

January 29, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

VAN……..you should be ashamed of the Lies told to get us in the war!

By alan

January 29, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

At least Jane did this time without sitting on anti aircraft guys. Maybe she is finally developing class!

By jm

January 29, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

If being against the Iraq war makes me a liberal, I guess Chuck Hagel and Pat Buchanan are also liberals. Invading Iraq was a classic example of hubris and took our attention and resources away from the people who attacked us and their sponsors. Remember the taliban? If there was anyplace President Bush should be sending 21,000+ troops, it is there.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Peter,

Do you even read the newspapers or know what is going on? We have had several large committees investigate 9/11, the Iraq War, etc., etc.. Are you still unaware that Congress saw all the USA and British Intelligence reports on WMDs and they ALL concluded the same thing about Iraq? What’s with this WOW, I DO NOT KNOW WHY WE WENT TO WAR? Would someone please tell Peter the facts as presented then? He seems to be in the dark.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Americans together as a group are slowly understanding what kind of mess we are trapped inside of in Iraq.

Think it out. We all finally come to a conclusion that we have lost the ability to decide foreign policy for ourselves, that our destiny in the middle east is on a course of it’s own dragging us with it. The ancient Jewish-arab feud is finally our guiding light and our tug boat and our propellant. We will see ourselves careening into a collision and watch ourselves crash knowing that we cant do a thing to stop it.

We will see revolution and misery in our streets as the truth of Iraq assaults our trust.

I’m telling you people, that you will soon understand what’s happening, and you will know we cant stop it, no how, no way.

911 was Osama Bin Laden striking the Saudi Royal Family as punishment for US troops on Saudi soil, which is a sacrilege for islam, and for which osama is waging his war. Bush cut and run from Saudi soil after 911 and Osama’s demand became clear. Make no mistake about this: Bush is on a leash held by the saudi royal family.

Know it. Believe it. Our foreign policy is in the hands of islamic lunatics bent on the total destruction of der verld.

By JK

January 29, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

This morning’s inventory: Mr. Wooten thinks free speech is soooooo borring. (I hear the Thought Police are hiring; they could use an intuitive man like you.) Posters here think demanding freedom of information regarding the activities of our executive branch are un-American, and the usual He-Man-Woman-Haters club reps are on board showing their hairy backsides again. Big Yawwwwwn! See ya.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

LIES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE VICE PRESIDENT?? What lies?? You will have to be more specific than that.

The Vice President is doing his job. He is a very intelligent man and good at business too. He has served our government since he was thirty years old. If you want to say he is guilty of ??something, go ahead and prove once again that you are prejudiced. Innocent until proven guilty is the law in this country. Remember?

By Seriously

January 29, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

During Clinton’s presidency Wooten, Newt, Lott and Delay were all speaking out against the Yugoslavia war. 1 month into the campain!

Did that critisim hurt our troops? Did it enable our enemy? Are these people traitors for speaking out against that war?

Or are columns like this just trying to deflect the blame for a totally incompetent president and his ideology?

Maybe Wooten just wants “special rights.”

By Mark

January 29, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

You Bush sheeple are so ignorant. The war in Iraq was based on lies, and you morons fell for it. I propose that we send the children of all war supporters to Iraq to die for a lie. Illiterate fools. You couldn’t pour p** out of a boot without reading the instructions on the bottom.

By getalife

January 29, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Get real.

wingnut Roberts has been blocking the investigation for cheney:

“We’ll proceed with Phase II. It is a priority. I made my commitment and it will get done.” —Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), on Bush use of false intelligence on Iraq, 07/09/04,

“I don’t know if we can get it done before the election.” —Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), on Bush use of false intelligence on Iraq, 07/11/04,

“That [the Phase II report] is basically on the back burner.” —Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), on Bush use of false intelligence on Iraq, 03/10/05,

“We have now heard it all regarding prewar intelligence. It would be a monumental waste of time to replow this ground any further.” —Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), on Bush use of false intelligence on Iraq, 03/31/05,

It is you that needs to keep reading because the truth is just now starting to come out.

Pay attention, the facts are changing daily.

By Cletus Snow

January 29, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Not everyone agrees with Hanoi Jane, but most intelligent people would agree, that She and other traitors like her be tried for treason.Jane,Cindy, John Kerry, Cynthia McKinneyand the rest of the loudmouth morons need to be muzzeled, if they lived in some other countries they would be beheaded, maybe they already are.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

jm,

Chuck Hagel seems to be losing his resolve about the war. He is a tiny minority in the Republican Party.

Lieberman, once a Democrat and now sitting in the middle, is strong on supporting the war. So it goes

I don’t think there is any doubt about where the majority of both parties now tand. Democrats do not support the war. Republicans support the war. At one time, BOTH parties were in favor of the war in Iraq. Democrats backed off.

The Taliban has been conquered and are now only a “thorn in the side”. Afghanistan is now considered a sovereign country with troops from many countries supporting them. Remember?

By Curious Observer

January 29, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

I’m delighted to see that the courtly, well-mannered TFTT is back. I assume he was out for a few days to attend the Zig Ziegler motivation seminar and learn how to cheat, steal, lie, and commit depredations on his fellow citizens, all the while listening to prominent Republican speakers.

God’s in his heaven and all’s right with the world.

By Rod

January 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Dusty - You, sir, are the true “Anti-American.”

You follow along the President and believe anything he says. A true American, a true Patriot cares more about this country than they do some dimwit who runs it. A true American cares about what’s right and best for this country and will stand up to those idiots who are running this country into the ground - mainly Bush and his stupid advisors. Everyone knows Bush and his policies are wrong. Anti-Americans like you just blindly follow along. One day when Bush is out of office you’ll see how near-sighted you’ve been, how you’ve been supporting the murder of US troops by our President.

You - Dusty - are a treasonous, pathetic, Anti-American. Shame on you.

By getalife

January 29, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You are dead wrong as usual. Just stop blogging and start reading.

You are embarrassing yourself. Hagel’s bs is to run for President. Joe is a Republican.

The Taliban is expected to surge in the Spring.

By Jerry L

January 29, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

She is just using the free press to express her views which is fine. The negative reporting of the war in Iraq aids the enemy, which if done by the American press rusults in treason.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

The president says that critics of his war have no alternate plan other than cut and run, which he will not do.

That’s like setting your house on fire and asking your neighbor to figure out an alternate way to tear your walls down.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Why don’t you and Seriously investigate every war of the last century in which the USA was involved JUST TO BE SURE that everything was just like it was supposed to be?

I’m sure that some hokey pokey was going on in some of them and it was all our fault and you want to know all about it and Republicans did it and on and on ad neauseum.

As Jack Webb said: “Just the facts, mam.”

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Sandy Berger was caught removing and destroying classified government documents in his clothing. They were from the Clinton Administration. Why aren’t you upset about that? Why aren’t you DEMANDING to know what was in those important papers ILLLEGALLY removed? And why are you not accusing those Democrats of HIDING facts from the public?

The public did. They, (Bush Administration) had an investigation, they didn’t find anything. Are you saying that the Bush Administration “covered up” the incident? We, the public, don’t have selective memories……

By Van

January 29, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Peter,

Is being ignorant and totally uninformed part of your everyday life or are you off your meds?

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

Berger WAS convicted and paid a $50,000 fine. Some said it was a “slap on the wrist” for a criminal conviction. I would not call a conviction a “cover up”.

getalife,

Lieberman is not a Republican. He is an Independent. Don’t you ever read anything?

By Magneto

January 29, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Jerry L.,

If there was anything positive about this idiotic war, then the media would report it. Fox News certainly would. What do you have against people knowing what’s happening to their soldiers? You want to sweep it under the rug?

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

We have had several large committees investigate 9/11, the Iraq War, etc., etc.. Are you still unaware that Congress saw all the USA and British Intelligence reports on WMDs and they ALL concluded the same thing about Iraq?

Dusty - Congress saw “flawed intelligence”, which was limited to what the White House wanted them to see, and didn’t question it. The then Sec. of State Colin Powell believed it also — he has however, (like a LOT of american people), found out the truth and has since denounced the handling, strategy, and impetus of the war.

By Seriously

January 29, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Jerry L, should Wooten be tried for treason? He is part of the American press and spoke out against our war in Yugoslavia.

Or do conservatives just want “special rights”?

By Darth Vader

January 29, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait until there is a display of competency in the White House. “The Decider” doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing other than taking control of the oil in Iraq. In 2008, we will witness the ending of the worst administration in American history.

By Peter

January 29, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

VAN…….HA HA HA……..

I guess you can’t read!!!!!!

HA HA HA……..

Lemmings on the RUN!!!!!!

By Van

January 29, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Peter brained,

The way it works, is the President tells Congress he needs to send troops, Congress examines the need and votes the President the power to send troops. Then Congress votes to fund the sending of troops.

Which lie did your Congressman believe? Is Bush so smart he fooled the entire Congress? Did Bush use all his magic powers to make Congress do his bidding?

Did Bush use the Jedi Mind Control to keep Congress in step and keep funding the war?

Ask yourself, who is the dummy - Bush who asked for permission to go into Iraq or Congress for letting him?

As I said, ignorant of off your meds, you choose.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

The intelligence might have been “flawed” but President Bush, Congress, Colin Powell all saw the same thing and came to the same conclusion.

Hindsight is ALWAYS easier to draw conclusions from. All of our officials made honest decisions in the beginning.

President Bush has also made changes as he sees the war. The latest change is the “surge”. General Petreas was approved by Congress to lead it. Then the Democrats brought out a resolution which undercuts the efforts. I consider that duplicity in action.

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Dusty:A long time ago I pledged allegiance to this country. I still do. We are at war and our elected President is the Commander-in-Chief. I support the country, the troops and the President.

Yes we pledged allegiance to AMERICA, which is our people not our President. You have pledged fealty to a King which is what we gave up 200+ yrs ago. And we are NOT at war since only Congress has the power to declare war and has not done so. We are in a prolonged police action.

You are the classic case of someone who doesn’t understand the difference between Nationalism - one of the most dangerous things for a country - and Patriotism.

By Peter

January 29, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

VAN……HA HA HA again…..

Carl Rove…..Mr. Wilson…..

The lies spread by Cheney…..this is what is going on today……

HA HA HA……..go back to watching your Sci-fi……. you might figure out what is going on…..

The Cheney propaganda machine is coming UN-Glued!!!!

Lemmings on the Run!

By Richard

January 29, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Dusty’s an idiot - as Rod says, he’s a true ANTI-AMERICAN.

By Jim

January 29, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Jim - Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason 40 years ago and we’d not be reading about her today.

By Apocalypse

January 29, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Your head is so far up Bush’s a$$, that the only thing you can do is crap out excuse after excuse. How many of these so called ‘changes’ does he have to make before you realize that a major mistake has been made. There is absolutely nothing positive that you can point to that justifies the deaths and expense of this monstrosity of a war. Blind support is not support, its called stupidity.

By getalife

January 29, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

We will all see how patriotic Dusty is when the Dems have total power in 08.

Dusty,

Tell us how you supported Clinton’s war and did not support the gop outrage.

By jim d

January 29, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Oh, Dear Mr. Wooten,

You merely fuel the fire today.

In the words of one of this nations greatest leaders.

“War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today.”

– John F. Kennedy

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Dear Rod @ 9:56, after the US pulled out in 1975, 2,000,000 died as a direct result, within five years. From a leftist perspective, that is “right.” Mass murder has never been an issue for leftists, so long as it is leftists manning the killing fields. National Socialists, whether in Germany or in Southeast Asia have a history of being “right.”

JaJ @ 10:06, you are correct so long as you define integrity as “enabling the senseless murder of 2,000,000.”

Dear Brian @ 10:11, my definition of “insane” is repeating actions of the past and anticipating a different result. In 1975 the leftists cut and ran from Southeast Asia, and 2,000,000 died immediately thereafter. You assume that there will be no bloodbath in the Middle East when the leftists cut and run this time. Or, more likely, perhaps you don’t care.

Dear Silly @ 10:15, a great argument, but historically backwards. I suggest “Silent Coup,” for an eye-opener.

Dear Peter @ 10:23, 10:45 and 10:52, the black helicopters are hovering over your house; they think you are holding Jane captive. Poor Peter @ 12:20, newsflash, Colin Powell’s aide was the one who revealed Valerie Plame, not Dick Cheney.

Dear Philosopher @ 10:26, well-argued. I agree.

Dear Dennis @ 10:30 and Melo @ 10:40 and Curious @ 11:23, no thoughts, just invective? Suggestion: post an idea, then start with the epithets.

Dear Debbie @ 10:35, I disagree with your definition of “Christian.” We do not profess to be “Christ-like” – that would be heresy. We are merely people who strive to be “better.” I know most of your friends would not aspire to be “Christians,” by your definition or by mine.

Dear jm @ 10:53, I disagree with your thesis. Leftists do not understand that this is a war without government or borders; that fact of that lack of understanding does not invalidate the obvious truth. You may reasonably argue that Iraq was a bridge too far, but placing Iran in a pincer looks like a good strategy from anything other than a Monday-morning quarterback perspective.

Dear Seriously @ 11:08 and @ 12:01, I agree that we can credit Bill Clinton from protecting the US from the world-wide Serbian threat of 1995, and that he did that without support from Republicans. We can also agree that George Bush is protecting the US from the world-wide Islamist threat of 2001, and that he is doing it without support from Democrats.

Dear Mark @ 11:09, the black helicopters will stop by after they finish with Peter.

Dear Silly @ 11:37, it is more like asking your neighbors to just stay out of the way, but they insist on shooting gasoline into the flames.

On the Sandy Berger kerfuffle, anyone who thought a Democrat would tell the truth deserved to be fooled, including the prosecutors in the Bush administration. Among Democrats, the likelihood of hearing the truth diminishes as you climb the pyramid.

Dear Magneto @ 11:57, newsflash, in Iraq, since the US deposed Saddam, the people obtained purple thumbs three times, an unbelievable achievement.

By Magneto

January 29, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

I’m sorry, I missed the part about why that’s relevant and why it is worth the deaths of our soldiers.

P.S.If you were being sarcastic, then disregard.

By Frank Lee

January 29, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Jim; Aside from a few radical, lost their place, hippie types, no one in this country has respect for the likes of Hanoi Jane.

The anti-war crowd who holds Jane up as a role model for dissent, along with the Penns and Sarandons hurts their cause.

This is a different era of fast access in both technology and mobility. The threat is global, not regional Vietnam. Their protests ring hollow and threatening for the Democrats.

Democrats and anti-war advocates should take no pride in their simplistic approach to global problems.

Move on with your lives, cause the times, they are a changin’.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Don’t worry about the 2008 election. I will support the Republican President after Hillary gives it an ambitious but futile try.

Did you know we have a war going on NOW? Maybe you should stop worrying about the Serbian threat and Clinton. Try to keep up with current affairs.

By Brian Curtis

January 29, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

News flash for the Bush drones: Supporting this Iraq mess places you in the minority. Most Americans agree that we don’t need to be there, and only quibble about exactly how and when we should leave.

That’s not a “few leftists” or a fringe group of radicals; it’s *mainstream America. We call our group “the realists.” When you’re ready to wake up and join us, we’ll be waiting.

By getalife

January 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I read everyday and suggest you do the same.

You should join the wingnettes

Like them, you have no credibility and you did not answer my question.

I bet you were howling about Clinton’s victory with the rest of the wingnuts.

Admit it.

By Seriously

January 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

“We can also agree that George Bush is protecting the US from the world-wide Islamist threat of 2001, and that he is doing it without support from Democrats.”

Also agree???? What does the Iraq war have to do with fighting terrorism?

And you didn’t address the point I was making, why do Republicans think they are allowed “special rights” to speak out during a time of war?

71% of ALL Americans are against the surge, about the same are against the war. I didn’t realize the Democrats have become a super majority. Look what Bush has done for the Dems.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

By jbmlaw January 29, 2007 12:33 PM said, “Dear Dennis @ 10:30 and Melo @ 10:40 and Curious @ 11:23, no thoughts, just invective? Suggestion: post an idea, then start with the epithets.”

When I speak I prefer to not sound like a lawyer who, merely by blowing and blowing, can only hope to win his case.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By mr_natural

January 29, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this

I’ll tell you what is tired act. That is this notion that we should not question the President because we are in a war and it emboldens the enemy and we are unpatriotic if we question. Same goes for the idea the media is manipulating the truth about the war and things are really going great over in Iraq and the media is just undermining the President by showing the bad things. I think it would be manipulation if the media DIDN’T show us the killing and bloodshed. Yes, there was a place where that kind of thinking was prevalent, it’s called the former Soviet Union

By mark

January 29, 2007 01:06 PM | Link to this

Hitler, Stalin, Czar Nicolas the II, Kim Jong Il, Mousellini… another list of people who weren’t/aren’t too keen on protest marches. When did you become so un-American, Jim. Go back to watching Fox News and let real patriots run the country. The sooner we’re finished with Bush and his nut jobs the better. I’ll bet if Bush said that every old white haired man in Atlanta should get their legs cut off, Jim would be the first in line. Is there anything Bush says or does that you disagree with?

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 01:09 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie @ 10:35, I disagree with your definition of “Christian.” We do not profess to be “Christ-like” – that would be heresy. We are merely people who strive to be “better.”

The dictionary definition of a Christian is one who follows Christ; kind, kindly, Christ-like

I know most of your friends would not aspire to be “Christians,” by your definition or by mine

What’s that supposed to mean? Are you judging people that you don’t even KNOW? What happened to Jesus’ statement “Judge ye not lest ye be judged?” Forgot that one huh? Or maybe it doesn’t fit well with your brand of Christianity.

Is your past so pure that you can past judgement on others and not be tainted with the same brush of monumental egomania when judged by Christ? Gee you must be “perfect” then…….how very “Christian” of you!!

By regulator

January 29, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this

58% want the Bush presidency to be over and the other 42% are idiots. At least Jane was sober enough to do something radical in the sixties,can george say the same.

By Seriously

January 29, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

“We need a new form of public expression.”

The neo-cons have certainly given us a new form of warfare, blogging from the cozy comfort of our homes.

I sure feel safe now.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 01:13 PM | Link to this

We can also agree that George Bush is protecting the US from the world-wide Islamist threat of 2001

And doing the worst job in history.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 01:14 PM | Link to this

Dear JBMLAW at 12:33 — No matter how much you and Dubya want it to be so, Iraq is not now nor will it ever be a “democracy”. It’s a theocracy. Truth hurts. Deal with it.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 01:18 PM | Link to this

Did you know we have a war going on NOW?

According to Dubya, “Mission Accomplished”.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 01:22 PM | Link to this

The Surge is Bush’s Battle of the Bulge. A supreme gamble, or supreme folly?

By jim d

January 29, 2007 01:32 PM | Link to this

Thank you Frank,

We’re all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.

But I recall another Kennedy speech, that I fear most chose to forget, that took place about 45 years ago on the AU campus, that stated in part;

“What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave.

“I speak of peace…as the necessary rational end of rational men. I realize that the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war—and frequently the words of the pursuer fall on deaf ears. But we have no more urgent task.

By Barry Mason

January 29, 2007 01:34 PM | Link to this

It’s so refreshing to open a newspaper and actually see common sense thoughts from a journalist. Jane Fonda truly is one of our modern disgraces.

By For the Record ...

January 29, 2007 01:35 PM | Link to this

“Today, America can regain the sense of pride that existed before Vietnam. But it cannot be achieved by refighting a war that is finished as far as America is concerned. As I see it, the time has come to look forward to an agenda for the future, to unify, to bind up the Nation’s wounds, and to restore its health and its optimistic self-confidence.

“I ask that we stop refighting the battles and the recriminations of the past. I ask that we look now at what is right with America, at our possibilities and our potentialities for change and growth and achievement and sharing. I ask that we accept the responsibilities of leadership as a good neighbor to all peoples and the enemy of none. I ask that we strive to become, in the finest American tradition, something more tomorrow than we are today.”

-Gerald Ford Tulane University April 1975

It would behoove the right-wingers on this blog to delve a bit deeper into our country’s history — as opposed to merely regurgitating the hate-filled invective of undereducated bloggers who demonize political opponents by deliberating ignoring or misinterpreting complex historical circumstances.

But then again, why demonstrate critical intelligence when you can just quote the evanescent prose of egregious intellectual geniuses like Michelle Malkin?

Michelle Malkin!

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 01:57 PM | Link to this

Dear Magneto @ 12:44, admittedly I have an abundance of sarcasm, but I think the votes in Iraq are significant. By imbuing those long-enslaved with a sense of control over their lives, it will just as difficult for a would-be tyrant to control the population as it is for the democratically elected government. Moreover, it will agitate others in the area to seek the vote. Free people dislike going to war, and planting those seeds – if allowed to germinate – will pay off in abundance for a long time.

Dear Seriously @ 12:56, “???? What does the Iraq war have to do with fighting terrorism? And you didn’t address the point I was making, why do Republicans think they are allowed “special rights” to speak out during a time of war? 71% of ALL Americans are against the surge, about the same are against the war. I didn’t realize the Democrats have become a super majority. Look what Bush has done for the Dems.”

My 12:33 note to jm will help you understand what Iraq “has to do with” Islamists. I dispute your premise, that Republicans think we have “special rights” – heck, it’s all we can do to get a word in edge-wise with you guys, because you try to drown our voices rather than debate. As to how Americans are “against the surge,” I think your guys ought to do their constitutional duty and cut off funding, if you truly believe what you are publishing. I think that would establish a Republican super-majority for 30 years.

Poor Dennis @ 12:57, still no ideas?

Dear Debbie @ 1:09, I suspect you do not really want to get into theology – anyone who gets the definition from a secular dictionary is outside the faith, by definition - but let’s discuss “judge not lest ye be judged.” The caution is a reminder that we here on earth do not control the universe, but that we do answer for our sins, both those of commission and those of omission. I believe our obligations to our fellow man are constrained only by truth, and not by borders. I know most of your friends are not Christians by either your definition or by mine, and I can say that without knowing you at all, because your posts never elevate Christ nor acknowledge His higher power. That observation does not require judgment, but mere cognitive capacity.

Your latter note – “is your past so pure…” further reveals your lack of acquaintance with the religion. One of our core beliefs has been accurately reduced to a bumper sticker – expression – “Christians are not perfect, just forgive.” You have to be a part of the group to understand. And when you wrote, “Iraq is not now nor will it ever be a ‘democracy,’ we would agree that the seed will never grow if poisoned by leftists’ spew.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 02:06 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw said @ 12:57, “Poor Dennis, still no ideas?”

I have ideas. But as I said, I have no interest in imitating a lawyer who just blows and blows and who, by merely doing so, just hopes to win his case.

As Jesus said, “Go and do thou likewise.”

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Whatisit Goodfor?

January 29, 2007 02:11 PM | Link to this

Susan Tileston hasn’t seen her son, Levi Moddrelle, in more than two years. Levi served in Afghanistan & Iraq, where he was stationed for almost a year. He came home for Christmas in 2003, but wasn’t the same. Tileston said she doesn’t know where her son is, but she has an idea about why he’s gone.

“He was providing protection to a contractor’s convoy,” Tileston said. “An eight-year-old kid with an machine gun was shooting at his convoy and he shot back and had to kill an eight-year-old kid and that’s when he lost it.” Tileston suspects her son has developed Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

Pentagon doctors estimate that 12 percent of the 1.5 million veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from PTSD.

Wow, that’s 180,000 wounded-on-the-edge that nobody talks about. 3065 dead, 23,000 officially wounded, some say that’s really 70,000. Now we have to add the 180,000 the Pentagon says has PSTD?

If Bush resigned today, he’ll still be hurting America in 40 years.

By LivingRight

January 29, 2007 02:12 PM | Link to this

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

-Mahatma Gandhi

By Lauren

January 29, 2007 02:15 PM | Link to this

Poor,Wooten. Still fighting the Vietnam war. Still blaming the war protesters for the fact that we lost that war and now you are trying to blame today’s protesters for losing the war in Iraq. Poor Wooten, searching and searching for someone to blame because he cannot bring himself to blame Bush/Cheney and their machine including those who voted for them and supported them all these years. Iraq is a cluster-f******* and it is all Bush’s fault and this country is laying the blame sqaurely at his door. Just because Wooten is too cowardly to do it, does not fool me or most people. Hell, even that stupid redneck Toby Keith is denying having ever supported this war. When Bush is losing dregs like TK you know it is bad! Also, the Republicans have already started their Hillary bashing and get ready for lots of Obama bashing. Truth is they have no credible candidates for ‘08 so all they can do is bash ours. Guiliani is pipedream and so is McCain and Romney. None of them are electable and they GOP can sense it. The GOP base will never be able to forgive all of Guiliani’s “sins”- adultery, two broken marriages, marrying his mistress, donning a drag outfit to gay pride, etc… McCain is not liked by anyone except independants and they alone cannot elect a president. Romney is too much of flip-flopper, which I know the GOP just hates. You guys have no one! Ha!

By Whatisit Goodfor?

January 29, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

“It’s nuts over here. Soldiers are being asked to do work we’re not trained to do. I’m doing work that the State Department people are far more prepared to do in fostering democracy, but they’re not allowed to come off the bases because it’s too dangerous here. It doesn’t make any sense.”
— Army Capt. Brian Freeman, who died Saturday in Karbala from a mortar attack

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 02:23 PM | Link to this

“Judge ye not lest ye be judged” could not be more simple. It’s not a parable, does not have a hidden agenda, is not a “code” only for a certain secular group. It is one of the teachings of Christ. It should stand every “real” christian in good stead when he’s trying to be christ like and is leaning more to the “unchristian” side of the road.

However, you have taken such a simple statement and turned it into complex rhetoric. You have in essence, “lawyered” it up in order to dilute its value with doublespeak.

Let me break it down for you at its base: — before you complain about your neighbors yard, first check out your own. Now, that was simple enough wasn’t it?

PS: You either believe, or you don’t believe, no ifs ands or buts.

By getalife

January 29, 2007 02:23 PM | Link to this

Oh, Jim, hush.

“You can say what you want about the people opposed to this wretched war in Iraq, try to stereotype them any way you can. But you couldn’t walk among them for more than a few minutes on Saturday without realizing that they love their country as much as anyone ever has. They love it enough to try to save it.”

Not so with the wingnuts.

By Whatisit Goodfor?

January 29, 2007 02:28 PM | Link to this

Another horrible injury has been swept under the rug and gets no publicity: When these guys roll over an IED, the explosion generally comes from below, which means these guys who lose one or both legs possibly lose their genitalia, as well.

That means no children, limited sex life, if at all, colostomy bags in their wheelchairs, etc. But Bush’s mainstream w******* media will wait until hundreds or thousands more lose theirs because the job of the media is to prop-up Bush and his failed, bloody quagmire.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

I know most of your friends are not Christians by either your definition or by mine

That is obviously because you are psychic and can “see” these things for yourself oh great Kreskin.

and I can say that without knowing you at all, because your posts never elevate Christ nor acknowledge His higher power.

Unlike you, I prefer to ACT and not to talk. Faith without works is dead. Jesus showed people loving kindness by forgiving them and healing them — not by ostracizing, ridiculing and dividing them. If you’ve never heard of the words Christian Charity, I would not even be surprised.

That observation does not require judgment, but mere cognitive capacity

Which you lack in spades

“Christians are not perfect, just forgive.” Anyone who gets their faith from a “bumper sticker” should nto EVEN try to judge and/or chastise anyone else on theirs.

You have to be a part of the group to understand. And when you wrote, “Iraq is not now nor will it ever be a ‘democracy,’ we would agree that the seed will never grow if poisoned by leftists’ spew

Are you crazy? Don’t you know any history? Do you listen to the news?, (Fox News doesn’t count). WHICH country in the middle east IS a true democracy? Egypt?, Iran?, Saudia Arabia?, Israel? Afghanistan?

http://www.amconmag.com/11303/feature.html

Honestly, I thought you were smarter than that comment you just made. Guess I was wrong.

By getoveryourself@yahoo.com

January 29, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

Despite the fact that we’re mired in a mismanaged, misguided, and a misleading war responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Wooten finds time to complain in a Valley Girl tone about Jane Fonda and how marching is like so outdated.

It’s like trying to watch a football game with your girlfriend and her friends and all they can talk about is which team has the prettier jerseys.

…like oh my God, that’s so not relevant!!

By Tyler

January 29, 2007 02:37 PM | Link to this

Jim, it is time to get your head out of your a$$. The US lost the war in Vietnam and Iraq is a mess.Do we need to go further?

By TW

January 29, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

Jim - In reaching for Jane you have done little more than toss the donkeys a fistful of carrots from your pulpit of the pen. Have you folded the tent?

By HELLINAHANDBASKET

January 29, 2007 02:41 PM | Link to this

Jane Fonda and her Hollywood friends like every other U.S. citizen have the right to disagree with our President and this country…what they do not have the right to do is undermine and destroy our nation from within. They could care less about the war, it is just a excuse and our soldiers just pawns for their promotion of their political agenda. I think the American people need to be more afraid of these so called caring ‘anti-war’ folks than any foreign terrorist because these people have unlimited power over the majority of the ignorant and close minded masses who follow their every word without question. They are destroying us like no other can…from within and their agenda is not the good of the country. Hanoi Jane and her ilk are nothing more than evangelical terrorists who use verbal ‘bombs’, deceit and lies to promote their political agendas and don’t care one bit about the American people.

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 02:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Silly @ 1:22, I think you are correct, well-said.

Dear Debbie @ 2:23, you are confused, the “Christ” story you seek admonishes us to remove the log from our own eye before complaining about the speck in our neighbor’s eye. Not that we’ll ever see that from a leftist. “Judge not” is far more complex than you perceive. (However, apologies for my type - should have been “forgiven.” You cannot earn your crown with good acts, but you are redeemed by faith alone.)

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie, simple quiz: how many died the last time Democrats voted to cut and run?

By JMS

January 29, 2007 02:50 PM | Link to this

I’m with Dusty… Peter you are an idiot! How do you think the terror cells work in the USA and Brittan nad many other countries, by telling us what they are planning and doing? By having no sevcret meetings? Yeeeeesh how do you survive every day life with no brain? Find another country that will protect it citizens with as much zeal as the USA! If you pay attention you will know that the terrorist value death! Where in that equation is there room to talk about anything? They want to kill you, they do not care if you protest in their favor or not… you are not their friend. If you do not believe in what they believe in they want to kill you…Radical Militant Islam is not our friend! They tell us that over and over and over again! You, however, protest because we are helping a country regain control so it’s moderate citizens can live a life without fear of being killed because they too value life over death. You make no sense!

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie, simple quiz: how many died the last time Democrats voted to cut and run?

That would be zero since the question begs an answer that doesn’t exist. Why don’t you actually talk in real terms instead of the Bushian propaganda? Oh that’s right, you don’t get reality just their distorted view of it.

By Sam

January 29, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

Go ahead lemmings. Line up behind Dusty and follow the pied piper right off the cliff. Right wing ignorance must certainly be bliss. Too bad right wing stupidity is forever.

By Zman

January 29, 2007 03:07 PM | Link to this

I-285 is a bigger threat to you morons than these “terrorists” that you obsess over. Grow a set how about it.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 03:08 PM | Link to this

Dear jbmlaw: how many AMERICAN lives were saved? How many would’ve been lost in VietNam if they would’ve stayed? Why didn’t we learn from the French and the Aussies that VietNam was a lost cause? Why didn’t the VIETNAM PEOPLE fight for their own independence? If we are so concerned about other countries populations, why aren’t we in DAFUR?

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 03:13 PM | Link to this

By jbmlaw January 29, 2007 02:43 PM, said, “Dear Debbie, simple quiz: how many died the last time Democrats voted to cut and run?”

A better question is how many more American soldiers needlessly died after Nixon and Kissinger went behind the back of LBJ, Christmas, 1968, and sabotaged a peace understand because they didn’t want the credit to be given to the democrats?

And thereby putting their “personal” “wants” and the Republican “party” “needs” ahead of the lives of American soldiers who might be alive today.

And that’s facts, Toots.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

JMBLAW: restructing the scriptures to fit your agenda (how republican of you), does not change what it means, nor its intent. Sorry.

By HenryDavidThoreau

January 29, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

Oh, Jane, hush By Jim Wooten | Monday, January 29, 2007, 08:01 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

America really needs a new form of public expression. We’ve worn out marches.

Really? What we need are more demonstrations…more protests. Nothing gets the powers that be’s attention like massive numbers of people in the streets. More Americans need to get off their azzes and hit the streets. Sitting at home with mouths shut is what lets things get out of hand in the first place.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 03:17 PM | Link to this

Oh, and I might add this one other thing; I don’t excuse theLBJ either for putting his personal fear of being not re-elected if he got out of Vietnam.

But since you aren’t interested in parity over party, I can play your game too.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

Sorry — that should be Darfur.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4507823.html

http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/alert/darfur/steidle/?gclid=CP6UgJG5hooCFQ4hgQod5g9HMg

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 03:21 PM | Link to this

Dear Debbie @ 3:08 and Joe L @ 3:04, time’s up, answer 2,000,000 innocents died in Southeast Asia between 1975 and 1982 (approximately - plus or minus 500,000, but what is 500,000 innocent lives among friends?) I suppose you believe the Middle East is a more tranquil region, inherently, than is Southeast Asia, thus your ability to disregard my concerns so blithely. The people of South Vietnam were fighting for their freedom against the North Vietnamese, until the Democrat Congress voted to terminate all aid. Courageous bunch, those 1975 Democrats, remind me a lot of the people in charge in Congress today.

I do not perceive Darfur as a breeding ground for Islamists, but you may be right, we may need to go in there with guns blazing.

By jbmlaw

January 29, 2007 03:22 PM | Link to this

Poor Dennis, denying that Democrats sold out the South Vietnamese just the way they sold out the Cubans.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

Sam,

Nobody is “lining up behind me”. They are lining up behind the country they love, the troops they support and the President who has had some of the greatest challenges a president can have.

If you want to call us “lemmings..etc” go ahead. Some call it “the American way” or the way we love America. Sorry you are afraid to fight for what we believe in.

Our volunteer troops are not afraid to fight fot what we believe in. Sorry you can’t measure up to them.

By Cal

January 29, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

So what you’re saying Jim is that the anti-war protest march was a political showing? There’s no legal redress within congress for the surge?

They hold up signs of revolution and congress holds up signs to cover their a*******es.

Now that’s revealing. What a shame antiwar protestors don’t read or comprehend their party’s political folly.

It worked in the 60’s. It’s a part of history now and Iraqis will be doomed if we repeat it.

Tough luck. Screw the antiwar crowd. We won’t sacrifice the Iraqis in their interest.

By Van

January 29, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

I see, you can think of so many places we should interfere, but the global war on terror isn’t one of them.

The Sudan might be a good place to go. We have the support of the left, we can go in and destroy the corrupt government of Sudan, kick out the Chinese and rid Sudan of the Islamic thugs killing the non-Muslim part of the population. We can also take a stand against slavery of the southern part of Sudan(mainly Christian’s being enslaved) and protect the UN aircraft that are routinely shot at.

Debby, this should be right up your alley, I would urge you and the other lefties to enlist for the good that you can accomplish. The same way I did 40 years ago.

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 03:31 PM | Link to this

Jbm - You can spin the history all you want, but just by asking the question in the manner you did reveals you have no interest in the truth, just propaganda. There are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Dusty - The American way is doing what’s best for the country and not blindly following a King to which you have pledged fealty.

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 03:36 PM | Link to this

• see, you can think of so many places we should interfere, but the global war on terror isn’t one of them.*

As soon as we actually start combatting terror - and military forces are probably the least capable of doing so - we can talk about the “War on Terror”. How is that “war” against the Taliban going? I see we are just getting more spin and propaganda from the right wingers…

Our current military if properly managed is more than capable on any and all missions demanded of it in a true battle against terrorism and global threats. Any tool in the hands of a fool is soon diminished and useless and we have the largest fool of all in charge right now.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this

jmblaw: I do not perceive Darfur as a breeding ground for Islamists, but you may be right, we may need to go in there with guns blazing.

How many Islamists were in VietNam? How many were in Iraq when we attacked? Where are the WMD’s?Which “innocents” are you talking about? Why aren’t you concerned about the AMERICAN lives that were/are lost? How many OTHER countries do you think we should invade every time there is an INTERNAL conflict within that country?

PS: You didn’t answer my other questions.

By DebbieDoRight

January 29, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight-I see, you can think of so many places we should interfere, but the global war on terror isn’t one of them

Van: Where do you see that I said that? Is this more of the Republican “revisioning” again?

By Curious Observer

January 29, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

I see that the racehorse Barbaro had to be put down to avoid a life of pain.

If he had been a human, we would have had Jerry Falwell denouncing those who believed in euthanasia, the GOP senate physician looking at a videotape and putting forth a diagnosis that Barbaro could run like the wind, broken leg or no broken leg, the president proposing a constitutional amendment to prevent euthanasia, and a state legislature passing a law to prevent putting him down until he had died naturally.

These so-called conservatives are a hoot on the issues. Their White House team threatens CIA operatives until they provide the false intelligence needed to justify an invasion, then provide that false intelligence to Congress, then subsequently mock war opponents who voted for the invasion on the basis of the false intelligence.

Come to think of it, I can think of a few so-called humans for whom euthanasia would yield a benefit for the peace-loving world. I doubt that the permanent removal of jbmlaw, TFTT, Van, and Dusty would even cause a blip on the social/political radar screen. Let’s throw Wooten onto the scrap-heap of history, too. You can bet that Barbaro had more concern for the welfare of humanity they they’ve ever felt or expressed.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 03:44 PM | Link to this

By jbmlaw January 29, 2007 03:22 PM “Poor Dennis, denying that Democrats sold out the South Vietnamese just the way they sold out the Cubans.”

Well, well, now, our lawyer is getting a little desperate.

He approves of Nixon and Kissinger sabotaging the Johnson/Vietnam peace agreement of Christmas, 1968, and the further needless bloodshed of American soldiers.

And how many American soldiers are you willing to sacrifice for the needs of a cooked-up war by Bush/Cheney in Iraq?

The evidence of all which a good lawyer can admit that that is the case.

Additionally, I added this to my first statement, and I stand by it;

January 29, 2007 03:17 PM; I might add this one other thing; I don’t excuse theLBJ either for putting his personal fear of being not re-elected if he got out of Vietnam.

But since you aren’t interested in parity over party, I can play your game too.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it

By Spirit Traveller

January 29, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

Frankly, I am tired of Jim Wooten’s trite, unoriginal and pointless opinions.

Every column is the same predictable blathering about the left, liberals, and now again, it’s that most hated woman of the left, Jane Fonda.

Hey Jim, take a look in the mirror. If anyone qualifies as a member of the “geriatric set,” it would be you… Grandpa.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 03:48 PM | Link to this

Bush is a scoundrel. Dastardly and decidedly decadent. Cheney is a fool. Together they are ruining the world.

Imagine only two men can ruin an entire globe. A planet completely Ruined. Amazing.

I SAID RUINED!!!

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 03:51 PM | Link to this

Joe L.

You are out in left field again. Way out. We don’t have a king in case you haven’t noticed. Support is not fealty.

But you are right. I am not one of these people who offer support by running away. That is your idea of support. Not mine.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 03:51 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten said; “organized marches and demonstrations really have become a monumental bore, whether it’s the Right to Life, the anti-war left, candlelight vigils, fund-raisers, or any other massing of humanity for the purpose of making a statement.”

What would you have, Mr. Wooten, that all of us stay home, trust our congressmen and your columns and watch FOX?

I don’t think so.

Perhaps you might write a column one day and tell us which one you are most like, Noam Chomsky or Walter Lippman.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By jm

January 29, 2007 03:51 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw: Sorry, if you want to fight radical islam, toppling a secular dictatorship (which Iraq) was is the wrong strategy. Using current bushspeak, they would be called “moderates”, along with Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Putting Iran in a pincer movement, more like removing two governments hostile to Iran’s interest.

If you really want to go after radical (sunni) islam, go after the two main sources, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Of course, since the saudis are our pusher, both for oil and deficit spending and Pakistan is our “ally” in the war on terorism, they get a free pass.

By Truth

January 29, 2007 03:53 PM | Link to this

All you Jane bashers just shut-the-hell up! Some of you don’t know it, but you owe your life to Jane and the other protesters who ended that stupid arrogant war in viet nam before your ugly-a* could be drafted and sent to the land of bad things. Imagine this, a primitive people living on farms being bomb by b 52 dropping 70 five hundred bombs at a time, repeated 10,000 times. I am amazed the North let any downed airmen survive.

By getalife

January 29, 2007 03:59 PM | Link to this

“So how long have you suffered from ACS? Ann Coulter Syndrome; wherein the afflicted gain strength through the hatred of others.”

Wingnuts suffer from ACS.

By Kleenex please

January 29, 2007 04:08 PM | Link to this

Spit in your face traveller. Frankly conservatives here are tired of liberals trite, unoriginal and pointless opinions.

Every liberals comment is the same predictable blathering about the conservative right and Bush, the most hated man of the left.

Spitting in the wind will result in a splat on the spitter.

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 04:11 PM | Link to this

Dusty:We don’t have a king in case you haven’t noticed. Support is not fealty.

No we don’t have a King, but you do as you have equated patriotism to supporting a PERSON not our country’s best interest. Your devotion is to a man not our system of government and that is FEALTY.

By jim d

January 29, 2007 04:11 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten,

Would you have us set idle while our commander in chief potentially commits war crimes? No my friend, real patriots understand their DUTY

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

Spitting in the wind will result in a splat on the spitter.

Since Bush’s approval is 28% who exactly in the wind and who is the spitter now? I think we all know the answer to this one.

By Gary

January 29, 2007 04:21 PM | Link to this

Bush is a MORON!! Watch David Lettermans Great Moments in Presidential Speeches some night it writes itself!

Go Jane Go!!!! This war is nothing more than an expensive Facade!! I hope all of you voters out there like Redneck Convert are satisfied with yourselves. I hope you all are sure that the cost of American lives was worth the control of the oil fields over there.

That the cost of American Lives is worth making the Oil Companies richer.

That the cost of lives is great price to pay to cover the Morons A* and the entire made up load of crap story about WMD’s!!

I hope you can all be very proud of yourselves. You’re all “Great” Americans and you’ve done your country a great service. You should be very proud that you keep sending our nations young people to their deaths…all the soldiers dying over there thanks to you the Bush Supporters ignorance and stupidity! Time to break out the Nucular weapons!

It’s a shame when we have problems right here within our own borders like illiteracy. Sad thing is it starts within the office of the President of the United States!

By jim d

January 29, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

Would one of you fine folks that actually support the Bush innitative please step up to the plate and tell me what one, just one of the lives of our fighting young men is worth? please equate it to LPB (lives per barrell)so I can understand.

By DJ

January 29, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this

no more tired then Wooten’s “tired act” - a right-wing apologist who pushes divisive wedge-issues whenever possible and grossly simplifies every significant problem with jingoistic “red meat” slogans that have no substance. “Hanoi Jane”??? Please - what was that - 35 years ago??? but it still works to rile up the Christers and commie-hating rednecks who home-school their kids because they’re afraid the kids might actually learn to think for themselves by being exposed to other ideas. Oh Jim - “hush” your one-note rambles. The politics of simplification serve only to point out who the simple-minded among us are.

By Jim

January 29, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this

Why do you care if Americans — including Jane Fonda — exercises their right to express their opinions. Isn’t that what we are fighting for in Iraq — freedom of speach and other democratic ideals? If you don’t want to hear what she has to say — change your tv channel or turn the page on your newspaper.

I guess some of us are equally tired of Mr. Wooten’s use of Jane Fonda to espouse rage and frustration with someone who doesn’t happen to agree with his views of the world. Get over it Jim!

By BillNye

January 29, 2007 04:41 PM | Link to this

Soft liberal whiners is what they are…”war is not the answer”…well then give me the answer or Shut the F@#$ up! It is real easy to speak out against something when you stand for nothing….bunch of losers!

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 04:44 PM | Link to this

Joe L. and Jim D.,

You are one confused, sick bunch of people. Trying to insinuate that someone believes our elected president is a king is pure fantasy. But talking about war crimes in connection with our president is pure psychosis.

Support is one thing and worship is another. But you are too twisted to know the difference. I am ashamed to even call you Americans, if you are.

Call a spade a spade. The kind of talk you spout sounds like those who hate us. In fact, I cannot tell the difference.

By Realist

January 29, 2007 04:46 PM | Link to this

I find it odd that nobody is talking about the highly coincidental water main break in predominately white Buckhead/Roswell area. Just another tactic by black america to keep the white man down.

Coincidence my a*.

By DEWtotheleft

January 29, 2007 04:47 PM | Link to this

PEOPLE !!! Don’t we know by now that CONSERVATIVEs are self-righteous, and are the only group with the absolute truth…Demeaning anybody that disagrees with them is GOD’s calling for them….Better listen, since they control heaven’s gates! Respect for differences is NOT in their playbook…If you are different, you are wrong !!!

By Dick

January 29, 2007 04:48 PM | Link to this

Any9one who is seen on the news by teh soilders in Iraq while being invovled in the antiwar protest is an Hanio Jane. Think about it now! The soldiers see people in their own COUNTRY protesting a war . To protest is to not support.

By Silly Rabbit

January 29, 2007 04:50 PM | Link to this

relax, dusty, they’re rollin’

By Dick

January 29, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this

How many lives have been lost in the war in Iraq (republican president.

Now, how many lives have been lostg in the war in Viet Name (democratic president Yes a lost life is bad, regardless as to which conflict. But did the general public know we are averaging over 7000 lives being lost a year in USA because the druggist cannot read the physicians writing and the wrong drugs are being given to the patients.

By Hanoi Joe

January 29, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this

Yeah man, lets stick it to the man and protest! Make love not war!! Bring down the establishment!!

Roll another joint! Make another marijuana addicted rehab bound baby!!

Praise the liberals and bless thier hearts and may thier poppy and mary jane fields blossom forever!!

By jim d

January 29, 2007 04:54 PM | Link to this

I disagree Dick,

Support for our administartion and support for our troops are two totally different items.

and Dusty,

I respect your right to your opinon, regardless of how wrong you are.

By TW

January 29, 2007 04:56 PM | Link to this

Dick - you’d make a great North Korean, if you’re not already.

By jim d

January 29, 2007 04:56 PM | Link to this

joe,

your intelligence is showing.

By Dick

January 29, 2007 04:59 PM | Link to this

Jim D The protestors were not yelling against Bush, they were yelling about Iraq. Kind of funny how most of democrats and nation for that matter was all for going in and getting Iraq, but now since Ms. Peaches (Hilary) is questioning Presidents agenda, everyone dump as the devil jumps on her band wagon.

By retired guy

January 29, 2007 05:00 PM | Link to this

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

Winston Churchill

By jim d

January 29, 2007 05:01 PM | Link to this

Dick,

Were you aware that Ike was the first president to deploy US manpower on the ground in Veitnam?

By Dick

January 29, 2007 05:01 PM | Link to this

TW; I am from south georgia, a redneck to many and damn proud of my heritage.

By Dusty

January 29, 2007 05:04 PM | Link to this

Yes, Silly Rabbit,

They are “rolling” but in what? Just one guess.

Yes, jim d,

thank you. Likewise. I support your right to mistakes and liberal leanings. I know you would do better if you could.

By jim d

January 29, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

Dick, No Sir,

Many of us bought into what we were being told early on by Mr. Bush and his administration. Most of which, unfortunately has turned out to be false. As president and commander in Chief he can not be afforded the liberty of being wrong when he commits troops to die for a cause.

By Seriously

January 29, 2007 05:06 PM | Link to this

Speaking of rolling a joint, how’s that “War on Drugs” going. Another war lost by the conservatives. Another dumb ideology down the drain. Just like this years $250 million spent on Bush’s stupid “Abstenince Only” campaign.

By jim d

January 29, 2007 05:09 PM | Link to this

So Dusty,

You would support my right to march in protest! Wonderfull, we’re not really in disagreement then are we?

By TW

January 29, 2007 05:17 PM | Link to this

“any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains”

-unless you have kids, in which case most get indoctrinated into the whole caring about others nonsense…makes it kind of hard to give the rest of the world the finger when your kids are going to have to live in it…

By Honu

January 29, 2007 05:22 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten – I’ll let my 24-year-old nephew, a veteran of the Iraqi war, know that “We’ve worn out the yellow-ribbon scene.” I’m sure that will reinforce his duty to the Marine Corps and his country, and all of his friends who are still over there fighting. He is now on a short list to be sent back to Iraq, so I’m sure he’ll be pleased to know that you are calling for an end to America’s small show of support for him and his buddies by untying the yellow ribbons on our mailboxes, lamp posts and trees.

When he came home, the small town he grew up in outside of Pittsburgh, PA, gave him a heroes welcome like no other seen in that town since World War II. From the driveway of his mom’s house, to the local township fire hall where the celebration was held, the streets were lined with yellow ribbons and miniature American flags. In my yard today, one of those flags is inserted into the yellow ribbon that I hung when he deployed. Even though he has returned, he asked that I leave them up in support of his buddies still there. And now, they may just have to support him, too, all over again.

The yellow-ribbon scene, to acknowledge our soldiers, is not worn out, Mr. Wooten. It is the ribbon itself that is worn-out. That tattered ribbon hanging in my yard reminds you of a war that none of us want to think about, let alone send our children to fight.

Your daily musings on the state of our country, our world and even your state of Georgia are those of a man whose reality is blurred at best. You profess to stand alongside President Bush and his decisions, but you would rather no one test that support with silly ribbons and demonstrations.

Why do you think that is, Mr. Wooten?

By Joe L

January 29, 2007 05:27 PM | Link to this

Dusty:I am ashamed to even call you Americans, if you are.

We’re not your kind of un-American American who equate blind follwing with patriotism. You are a Nationalist not a patriot, a patriot stands up for the principles of our country not the lip service to things that are “American”. I would be very ashamed to ever be lumped into a group that you belonged to Dusty.

By GodHatesTrash

January 29, 2007 05:27 PM | Link to this

Wooten is not guilty of treason.

Like virtually all native southrons, he is guilty of ignorance and stupidity though.

America needs a Robespierre, and to make stupidity a capital crime. Bring thousands of guillotines to Dixie and let ‘em rip!

Bathe Dixie in the blood of the ignorant - hell, you’d turn it into a red swamp.

By GodHatesTrash

January 29, 2007 05:41 PM | Link to this

Indeed, most southrons carry the tainted blood of traitors to the Union, and count amongst their inbred ricket-ridden forebearers vicious slave murderers and rapists and terrorist Klan trash.

Yet they are not themselves treasonous. Treason is a crime that requires thought, and southrons lack that capability.
They are terrorists, but only in the way that drunk drivers, wifebeaters, and other simple stupid people with no character are terrorists.

By JK

January 29, 2007 05:41 PM | Link to this

TW at 5:17: Thanks for breaking that down! Nicely put.

By Dennis

January 29, 2007 05:46 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes; “America really needs a new form of public expression. We’ve worn out marches. We’ve worn out the yellow-ribbon scene….”

When your congress people are more concerned about re-election and representing corporations than the populace;

when right-wing conservativist writers, like yourself, poo poo any ideas that are not conservative;

when your mainstream news media slant the news rather than report the facts, then just exactly what form of objections should protesters take, Mr. Wooten?

Accept it or not, the protests aren’t all just about Bush, but about those “news outlets” above, too.

Why should the people expect the government to lead?

Women’s Sufferage was a grassroots effort;

the right to vote for African-Americans was a grassroots movement;

School intgegration was a grassroots movement;

the ending of the Vietnam war was a grassroots effort;

equal rights for the disabled was a grassroots effort;

Why should we expect the government to lead?

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By jesus christ

January 29, 2007 05:52 PM | Link to this

ted turner got tired of sleeping with her. the rest of us are tired of listening to her. jane, take a hint. you are yesterdays news.

By Beretverde

January 29, 2007 05:55 PM | Link to this

She will hurt the anti-war movement. I’m against the war… and Jane Fonda!

By RW-(the original)

January 29, 2007 05:57 PM | Link to this

Honu,

Very nice! Allow me to join you in pointing out the absurdity of Jim Wooten saying we’re beyond the yellow ribbon scene. I believe it’s extremely necessary to counter the day in and day out bleating from the media claiming that America has turned against the mission and thus against the soldiers.

When they come home and see the ribbons and flags they can be comforted in the knowledge that true Americans won’t fall for the propaganda of our media and we’ll never turn our backs on our brave military men and women.

By Mallory

January 29, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

J.Wooten, Why are you concerned with the anti-war activists or Jane Fockem Fonda? Loud, angry, bitter blowhards that turn people off.

Hillary is the front runner in the Democrats race for president. Is she going to know what to do if she wins in 2008 and this war continues or does she even care?

Gen. Petraeus wasn't welcome at Clinton's listening session">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York used her time to make a speech about Iraq policy and did not ask a single question of the man who will be leading the military campaign. Her speech replayed some of the themes from her news conference the previous week, on her return from Iraq, when she made clear her disagreement with President Bush's decision to add 21,500 soldiers and Marines to Petraeus's force.">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

She began by blaming the Iraq crisis on a "Congress (that) was supine under the Republican majority, failing to conduct oversight and demanding accountability, and because the president and his team, particularly the former secretary of defense (Don Rumsfeld), refused to adapt to the changing circumstances on the ground."">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

From that partisan opening, Clinton went on to decry "the failures of the Iraqis to step up and take responsibility for their own future." She said the escalation Bush ordered was too little and too late. She instead called on Congress to "threaten to cut money for the Iraqi troops and for the security for the Iraqi leadership," as a way to break the political gridlock in Baghdad and force efforts at national reconciliation.">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

She wound up the speech by saying that despite her disagreement with the policy, she wanted Petraeus's assurance that "we have every possible piece of equipment and resource necessary to protect these young men and women" going into battle.">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

"I'll do that, Senator," Petraeus said, and after that four-word response, Clinton was finished. She had no questions to ask.">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

Judging by all the polls, Clinton is the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a leading candidate for the Republican nomination, is also a member of the Armed Services Committee.">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

McCain asked Petraeus 14 questions, ranging from the political situation in Iraq to the morale of the troops to the timeline for the planned "surge." He ran out of time before he ran out of questions - quite a contrast to Clinton.">http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/REPOSITORY/701290307/1028/OPINION02)

Hillary was the Democrats only war supporter and the Jane Fockem Fondas want her out. If she’s not interested in what the military has to say or in solutions, what other candidates are even listening.

My guess would be none. This country is focked if a Democrat wins in 2008.

By Buy Danish

January 29, 2007 06:07 PM | Link to this

Honu,

Thank you for your 5:22 post.

You’re right, and Wooten is wrong about the value of yellow ribbons and other forms of enduring support from the heartland of this country for our military.

“New forms of expression” may come and go, but they can never replace simple gestures of gratitude and devotion.

A blog, while literally a new form of expression, is not a replacement for ribbons and flags and other symbols of unity.

Besides, there too many “Silly Rabbits” running around trying to create havoc, and unity is the last thing on their minds.

By Whatisit Goodfor?

January 29, 2007 06:13 PM | Link to this

I believe it’s extremely necessary to counter the day in and day out bleating from the media claiming that America has turned against the mission and thus against the soldiers.

Me too! America has turned against the MISUSE of our soldiers, not against our soldiers. The a—wipes on FOX news and talk radio who say we’ve turned against the soldiers are lying, and Mr. Wooten wants us to take down our yellow ribbons to lend evidence to that lie. I oppose this stupid bleeping war and the criminals who lied our good soldiers into it. My flag and my ribbons stay UP, and I think I’ll keep exercising my first amendment right that so many good soldiers (but no liars and chickenhawks in Washington) have died to protect. God bless the troops and let’s BRING ‘EM ON HOME!

By jeff

January 30, 2007 09:00 AM | Link to this

Where was Hanoi Jane and all the rest of the Vietnam protestors when our troops pulled out and the north rolled in and executed every single teacher, politician, police officer, on and on. Where were they then? Where will they be when we pull out of Iraq and leave it in a mess and Iran is there to pick up the pieces and create the largest state run terror group anyone has ever seen. We may should have never gone in but we can’t leave now. Not until they are stable. Remember it took our own fore fathers 12 years to stabalize our own nation with no terrorist bombing them.

By Michael

January 30, 2007 09:29 AM | Link to this

Jane Fonda did more then just protest the war in Vietnam. She gave the North Vietnamese vital unit information of certain Special Operation soldiers. One of which was the late Col. Rowe. Had he not escaped was slated for execution. I want the war over, but I realize its a long haul. I wonder how many bloggers actually have served in the Gulf and what their opinions are? You want the real opinion of the war in Iraq ask the ones who have served or are serving.

By Jackie

January 30, 2007 09:32 AM | Link to this

Jane isn’t as disgusting or anything as you are. You are mean and visious and I hope to be watching at the Pearly Gates when you have to be accountable for your cruelty.

By BoredwithBraves

January 30, 2007 09:34 AM | Link to this

Goodness…all this FUSS! I have known Jane as an aquaintance and as such, have been in her company in both public and private events. She is…like most of us…a melange of characteristics. Some of them are contradictory…like many of us. She can be gracious and then turn diva-like in her demands. She can be generous one minute and the tightest nickel pincher the next. My point is that her opinion should carry no more weight than anyone else’s…She is just a celebrity for goodness sake, and these days, that is more of a liability than an advantage. Do ANY of us really think that what Jane Fonda says makes a dime of a difference to ANYTHING? I might add that…and this is just a guess…that the FONDA publicity machine is revving up for her GCAPP party this spring ALONG with the premiere of her latest movie. Could her “appearance” at this poorly attended march be a coincidence…I think NOT. I am not her biggest fan, but neither do I shake an quiver every time Jane Fonda makes a public statement. WHO CARES!

By Crack Wilding

January 30, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Jim, you’ll probably have an orgasm when you hear this: a friend who was at the rally told me that the pro-war folks hung Jane Fonda in effigy.

Yeah. Now who is being a loudmouth a-hole?

By Crack Wilding

January 30, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

A followup. These are your allies, Jim-bob:

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/7710/90/1600/287710/fonda.jpg

By michael Jay

January 30, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

As a vietnam era vet, I think you conservative elitest are just trippin. Leave her alone she did not do anything to you. First and foremost you jumped her because she stood up for what she thought was right, but it is ok for you elitest sells lies to the public in the name of freedom and then turn around and pure salt on those who are smart enough to know when you are lying. What she did was not a crime, at least she had the balls to even go there half of you p….. have not been in a war zone and hide behind your hatred of those who stand for true freedom. When you fight in a conflice or a war then and only then should you have an opinion about someone.

By Dr.Doom

January 30, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

michael jay,

Jane Fonda wants the same thing every other activist wants: attention. They never offer any sensible solutions that benefit everyone. All they do is fuss,fuss,fuss. Also, Fonda is not fighting a war so is it ok for her to offer an opinion?

By Texas Wreck

January 31, 2007 02:05 PM | Link to this

Hadaitha Jane, What a pain. What can we say, She won’t go away. Her opinion does not count or matter One more bit than than any other chatter. She is so vain, she thinks we care While veterans hope she will disappear. Ted, come back and take her away, We will thank you every day. If you can’t we will cry, And hope that someday she will try, To be an American……

By Texas Wreck

January 31, 2007 02:07 PM | Link to this

Hey, Michael J, I was there too and I do not think sitting on an AA gun is part of our rights as Americans, when they are aimed at American Troops. Get a grip.

By jim d

January 31, 2007 02:25 PM | Link to this

Yeah, lets take a hard look at these self rightous, loathsome, tree huggin, treacherous, peace lovers and their subversions.

Sean Penn spent money for the victims of hurricane ” Katrina” and saved life in New Orleans with his own boat.

Susan Sarandon plays a major role as an activist. Since her 1993 Oscar-night plea to help AIDS sufferers in Haiti to her current advocacy for the homeless, she keeps humanitarian causes in the spotlight. and she also supports the Holy Apostles Soup Kitchen, which has become a lifeline for hungry and homeless New Yorkers

Tim Robbins has supported environmental causes around the globe.

And say what you will of Ms. Fonda, (I’m also no fan) but consider these facts. In 2002 she started “CAMPAIGN FOR ADOLESCENT PREGNANCY PREVENTION”, a statewide program here in Georgia to help children against sexual abuse, poor parenting, and school failure. She has supported other feminist causes such as V-Day and she led a march through Ciudad Juárez, urging Mexico to provide sufficient resources to investigate the murders of hundreds of women in the rough border city.

We Baby Boomers lived through cultural revolutions as youth and as adults; including the civil-rights movement, the Vietnam War, the rise and fall of communism and the struggle for gender equality to name but a few. We have watched three of our greatest leaders assassinated and we’ve sent man to the moon. We developed the Micro wave, created more energy efficient vehicles, cell phones, computers, the internet, text messaging and much more of the technology you take for granted today. So perhaps it wouldn’t hurt to just listen to what we have to say. I think we’ve earned the right to speak.

Simon And Garfunkel’s “The Sound of Silence” says it all about remaining silent.

“Fools said I, you do not know

Silence like a cancer grows.

Hear my words that I might teach you,

Take my arms that I might reach you.

But my words like silent raindrops fell,

And echoed

In the wells of silence”