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DEL.ICIO.USTax changes in the works — but slowly
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
If Aghanistan is the graveyard of empires, as it’s sometimes called, genuine tax reform is the graveyard of idealism.
And yet, House Speaker Glenn Richardson (R-Hiram) is determined to go there. He is toying, conceptually at least, with the most ambitious and sweeping overhaul ever of Georgia’s tax structure — essentially moving the state toward greater reliance on consumption taxes.
His supposition, awaiting further research, is that a 5 percent tax on income and sales, to include services and Internet transactions, could bring about the elimination of property taxes and a slight lowering of the income tax. The top rate is 6 percent, and over time income has already become a virtual flat tax — joint filers get there at $10,000 and singles at $7,000.
What Richardson envisions is clearly a big idea and is a concept worth pursuing. But slowly. And that’s what he intends. Introduce the idea this year, act on it next.
It’s something of a fool’s errand, really, but Republican conservatives surely didn’t sit in the wilderness for decades to come to power and be the next generation of politicians splitting differences between ophthalmologists and optometrists, docs and hospitals and factions within the liquor industry.
It’s a fools’s errand because every loophole has a political origin and a protective constituency. And, furthermore, the tax reform offerings continue.
The second-ranking member of the House, Speaker Pro Tem Mark Burkhalter (R-Alpharetta), proposes to eliminate the property tax on motor vehicles, which he calls the “birthday tax” because 93 percent of Georgia households own at least one vehicle and the tax falls due on their birthday.
Gov. Sonny Perdue ran on a pledge to eliminate the state income tax on retirement income for people over 65 — and the General Assembly will approve it. He suggested, too, in last week’s State of the State that “we pass legislation to exempt material and equipment used to build biofuel facilities from state taxes.”
Another group in the Senate, meanwhile, is exploring a cap on state spending tied to increases in population and inflation. A number of other states are considering that; Colorado actually did, but voters sabotaged their own discipline later by approving an amendment that required the state to increase spending for k-12 education by one percentage point above the formula, regardless of revenues.
Richardson, in any event, opposes a constitutional cap on spending.
Proposals are being floated, too, to raise state, local or regional sales taxes — which, if passed, would further compound the difficulty of major tax reform.
This debate, regardless of where it leads, is essential for a party just settling into the business of governing. In theory, the new party comes to power with no obligation to protect the other party’s sacred cows. They’re not invested in what’s broken so, in theory, they can invest in a fix. Give them a few years to settle in and the newcomers will be just as protective of turf and loopholes as those who created them.
Grants of tax exemptions, whether for food, the scores of sales-tax exclusions or retirement income, happen because legislators and governors have always used them to win elections. That’s not to suggest many or most, like the proposed biofuel exemption or the retirement-income exclusion, don’t have merit. But, as Richardson notes and as my working years confirm for me, the young are far more in need of income tax breaks than the elderly, especially during their child-rearing years. “But,” he says, wincing with the observation, “they don’t vote.”
Richardson thinks the Legislature has a two-year window to act. Beyond that, it’s into gubernatorial politics and the momentum’s gone.
Revision on the scale he envisions is an idea to be sold slowly. Georgians are not given to sudden changes or to embarking on new concepts that affect their pocketbooks. Too, while he insists that revision be revenue-neutral, expanding the sales tax to services is an idea long promoted by liberals looking for ways to get the “wealthy” to pay more, so that social services can be expanded. And taxing Internet transactions is, unsurprisingly, a push that originates with states looking for “lost” revenue.
The debate on who should bear the burden of government and what that burden should be is ripe. With every tax and every loophole and every dollar of spending, government encourages or discourages some behavior . Maybe Richardson is on a fool’s errand, but whatever the outcome, it will be a useful one.
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By Brian Curtis
January 16, 2007 08:10 AM | Link to this
Sorry, but you lost me at “greater shift toward consumption taxes,” which is a terrible idea. It’s regressive and puts too great a burden on the working poor and middle classes.
Taxing wealth, not just income, would be a better way to reform the system, as well as restoring corporate tax levels to their 1950s standing. Friedman is dead, monetarism is dead, and so is the silliness of “supply-side” voodoo.
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 08:10 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I argue often in favor of abolition of income taxes, as income taxes inherently reduce savings, and in favor of pure consumption taxes – those who spend should pay, as all government “services” are transaction-related. (For the economics-challenged: all income is used one of two ways, (a) consumption, or (b) savings. Any tax on savings-principal reduces the “wealth of nations” and thus injures society.) Imposing the consumption tax on services seems reasonable enough, although my guess is that it will be hard for the revenuer to catch up with the lady who cleans houses or the guy who cuts the grass. Harder still will be imposing the tax on internet purchases – may require some interstate “business accounting” compact, requiring all domestic companies to apportion sales among the various states. “If not us, who? If not now, when?”
By deegee
January 16, 2007 08:18 AM | Link to this
Take the social engineering out of the tax code. The income tax should be a low percentage, flat tax on personal income and everyone should pay the same percentage of their income. This practice of squeezing the middle to make up the difference on either end has to stop.
Right now the people that get the greatest benefit from government services, i.e., people with children, also get the greatest benefit in the form of deductions from the tax code. Single, childless people take less and pay more. At a time when we are scrambling to build schools, house foster children, and build prisons for the little tykes gone bad, shouldn’t we revisit this idea of giving a tax break for each dependant that a family can claim on their tax return? It’s rife with corruption anyway.
By jim d
January 16, 2007 08:54 AM | Link to this
What exactly is it with the Republican Party and taxing the oil industry?
He suggested, too, in last week’s State of the State that “we pass legislation to exempt material and equipment used to build biofuel facilities from state taxes.”
Now, before any of the environmentalists go off on me, please read the following link and determine if biofuels will really benefit us.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/07/fueltothe_fir.html
By Van
January 16, 2007 09:12 AM | Link to this
Hmmm, Brian Curtus would penalize folks that make a good living. He would add extra taxes on those making above a cetain level.
Sounds pretty regressive to me. If you are successful at your work, you pay the penalty.
So, why should I even try to earn more income, if I will pay more and more?
The tax code is a socialists dream and should be reformed. Let everyone pay the same percentage, regardless. We were brought up with the arcane idea of being equal under the law. How is it equal if I pay a higher percentage of my pay than the guy at the next desk or in next office building?
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 09:32 AM | Link to this
I would not wish to distract our leftists friends from their mindset, but conservatives may wish to review the WSJ essay today on freedom, an issue closely related to today’s blog topic: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009529
By zeke
January 16, 2007 09:54 AM | Link to this
Do away with all income taxes, the death tax and behavior taxes! The current income tax structure of state and federal govenments is a socialist’s dream! Take from the successful accomplished and give it to others that are not! “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”! The marxist, communist mantra! A mantra that is the operating agenda of liberals and democrats! The most logical tax plan would be one that treats everyone the same regardless of income! If a person earning $30,000 per year pays 10%, then a person earning $1 million should pay 10%, not one dollar more The best option is the proposed “fair tax” to eliminate all tax on incomes including the socialist social security and medicare taxes, unemployment taxes, etc. A revenue neutral percentage of consumption(sales) tax on services and all “new” goods, with a very conservative allowance for those under the poverty level, would be the ultimate fair and equal tax! The governments would be forced by law to operate within the boundaries of that tax! Only in case of war or severe emergency could they spend above that limit, not by raising a tax, but, by adjusting subsequent budgets down to keep a neutral spending level! This would also tax the wealth of those who virtually pay no tax on vast amounts of wealth like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, etc. That would be right down the democrat’s alley, I would think! NO DEATH TAX! The fair tax would levy it’s tax on the inheritances as they are spent for various goods and services! There is also a lot of B. S. that this would levy a new 23% tax! False! The tax percentage, whatever the final rate, would eliminate income, social security, medicare and health, unemployment and other ridiculous taxes, and provide a quarterly payment to those that are below the poverty level for essential purchases like food, medicine, etc. Lets see, someone in the 15% bracket normally would pay the 15% plus 7.65% fica which equals 22.65%, gee almost 23%! Then the employer must pay 7.65% fica plus up to 6.4% of the first 7 or 8 thousand dollars of an employees income for unemployment taxes! With the fair tax, if your pay is $1,000 a week, a month or whatever, you would receive $1,000. Makes a lot of economic sense, and, common sense!
By Van
January 16, 2007 09:54 AM | Link to this
jim d,
Sounds like we have only a few options left.
Drill more or build a lot more nuclear plants to provide electricity for our electric cars.
Oh, there is that guy in the paper this morning, he wants the bicycle to make a come back for commuting.
By JK
January 16, 2007 09:56 AM | Link to this
On January 3rd, Mr. Wooten touted his love for Brazilian economics. You see, they have NO inheritence or wealth taxes there. Woo-HOOOO! They have a very small economic upper class that controls most of the wealth (5% have 36% of the money - whoa that’s awesome), 31% of the population living below the poverty line, high unemployment, and a struggling, highly-taxed middle class. So what if they also has MASSIVE debt, underfunded health and education programs, and few opportunities for those born in poverty?
With any luck at all, the Georgia legislature will implement this system here, to the delight of the well-fed few who constantly squawk, moan, whine, complain, and play the “victim card” about paying the taxes required to support the greatest country on earth in which they have succeeded and thrived. Here’s an idea: instead of eliminating waste & fraud or requiring accountability in spending (that’s sooooooo 1990s, y’all) just grind my working middle class purchasing power down even MORE, so Bob Nardelli can afford another chalet in Vail and another yacht in the Caymans. No really, I dont’ mind! I love my country!
By jim d
January 16, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
Van,
There seems to be some evidence that the production of these biofuels actually consume more energy than they save (energy created by burning of fossil fuels) and when you factor in the federal subsidies for corn growers the costs become astronomical. Yet “the Sonny” wants to not tax these folks?
I simply pose the question as to why or why not?
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
After what - 40 or so years of unremitting liberal brainwashing in liberal run schools and force fed campus pandering this is just too freaking funny!!!
Dim and stupid yankkkees - or what??!!
MLK Abolished Slavery?
The results of a University of Connecticut’s Department of Public Policy poll suggests that America’s college students might need to brush up on their knowledge of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Although 81 percent of the students knew that the slain civil rights leader pursued quote, “racial justice and brotherhood,” most of the remainder of the students believed that Dr. King was promoting an end to slavery. Slavery in the United States was officially abolished in 1865, some 98 years before Dr. King gave his famous “I Have a Dream,” speech.
Thank Christ this snootty anal treasonous gigolo, like the alBOre, was beaten by Bush!!
Windsurfing Challenge
Massachusetts Senator John Kerry wants Americans to know that windsurfing isn’t easy. In the upcoming issue of Details magazine, Senator Kerry is quoted as saying, “I challenge anyone who makes fun of windsurfing to come out and do it with me and see how long they last.”
Senator Kerry was ridiculed by Republicans in the 2004 presidential election for windsurfing off the coast of Nantucket. The images of the senator twisting his surfboard back and forth proved irresistible to Bush media strategists, who quickly turned it into a powerful campaign advertisement.
Liberalism is a mental disease and needs to be eradicated from the public square!!
By Taxing Homily
January 16, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
The first tax code was the ten commandments. God encouraged or discouraged behavior with the currency of grace. The loopholes for souls back then were babies killed while playing limbo-rock, time of war, and being too drunk to resist the sailor. Nearly everyone saw their own currency devalued by levy-devils.
Nobody was being sheltered from the soul poll until God sent his only Auditor, (who got hosed for the housed). From then on, everyone would be considered a single sinner, filing jointly and blindly, and with the seven deadly exemptions of lust, sloth, greed, gluttony, sneazy, grumpy and doc.
Now, even tax-dodging scum like Spiro Agnew can be absolved.
By jim d
January 16, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
Van,
No, we do have other viable solutions amongst which is one that holds great promise. The production of Hydrogen Cells to fuel our electric vehicles.
But then I guess we’ll need to concern ourselves with how squeezing the moisture out of our atmosphere will affect rainfall in various parts of the world.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Oh, there is that guy in the paper this morning, he wants the bicycle to make a come back for commuting
Must be that nutty obsessive moron harold who having had his driving licence nicked again by the plod thinks that folks can happily and easily commute from Rome to Atlanta or Cumming to Atlanta or Canton to Atlanta or Duluth or Stone Mountain to Atlanta on a bicycle every day.
By Buy Danish (The one and only)
January 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
A concern I have with eliminating the income tax and property tax on the State level is that unless we have a corresponding system change federally and move to the “Fair Tax”, wouldn’t I lose deductions for property taxes and State income taxes on my federal return, which would end up costing me more on April 15th? Or am I wrong about that?
The last thing I want to do is give the I.R.S. any more money to misspend. Given a choice I’d rather see the money stay at the State Level, so that I’m not paying for someone’s green space in Arkansas and countless other projects that should not be my responsibility to fund.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
But then I guess we’ll need to concern ourselves with how squeezing the moisture out of our atmosphere will affect rainfall in various parts of the world.
WHAT????!!! Who gives a toss about the rest of the world?? … the UK and Israel are extremely important of course and currently places like Iraq and Afghhanistan matter, whilst they have US/UK troops on rotation.
You must be another sad and pathetic eco-wacko mate!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
The dearth of a response from my cunningly witty posting of the daily pickings from the Political Grapevine as reported by Brit Hume on FOX News @ 10:05 vainglouiously illustrates my superior wanking abilities! Leftist afterbirth scum like foreskin, feminazi JK, and crackpipe debbie will never aqcuire my acute acumen of wanking and will forever remain in their obtuse spheres of bollockschop bleating.
Pay attention closely marxist vermin…twist…pull…twist…pull…oh god…twist…pull…allah-u-akbar…twist…pull…ahhhhh!!
HUGE I wank better than leftist pond scum SMIRK!!
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
With any luck at all, the Georgia legislature will implement this system here, despite the constantly whining “victims” who believe government is the only productive force in society and must be fed to support the redistributionist schemes. Here’s an idea: instead of eliminating waste & fraud endemic to government redistribution schemes, or requiring personal accountability (that’s sooooooo 1980s, y’all) just grind my working middle class earning power down even MORE, so Nancy Pelosi or Jesse Jackson can shake down more businesses, to perpetuate their political dreams. No really, I dont’ mind! I love my country!
By getalife
January 16, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
Told ya, having this maniac still in office with no credibility and accountability is very dangerous
It is up to the gop to force him and cheney out of Washington.
By Bill
January 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
The Birthday tax and the State income tax is a regressive tax. If your a retiree, why would you want to move to Georgia and pay all our regressive tax’s. The idea for not requiring retiree’s to pay State income tax is dicrimority. Either remove the tax or leave it in place. A State wide sales tax is the fair way to go. Pay tax on what you buy. A cap on spending is always the right way to go. We would more than likely a fair amount of free money if we also stopped pork barrel spending and pet project spending. In my opinion, pork barrel and pet projects are just another legal way to STEAL taxpayers money.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
see how unbelievably easy you are EVERY DAMN DAY to wind up are aborted foreskin!!
a couple of innocent ‘trademark’ posts and this festering, quivering body lice is obsessively stalking again!!
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Dear Buy Danish @ 10:16, great question, and you will be encouraged by the answer. One of the few intelligent acts by the late, lamented republican congress was the elimination of the Federal tax preference for states with income taxes. You now have an election for deductibility of state taxes, either income or sales, but not both. The proposal by the good Mr. Richardson gives us the worst of the Federal world by keeping both; going fully to a consumption tax (or fully to an income tax) would ensure Federal deductibility.
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Dear Danish, I neglected to address property taxes – still deductible at Federal level, without regard to election between state sales or state income taxes.
By Van
January 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
jim d,
While fuel cells do seem to hold a great benefit, they are not ready for prime time, yet. The whole distribution thing is a real headache. Storage facilities that might be airtight are a sieve when hydrogen is involved. Another problem is how to separate the oxygen and hydrogen? If we use the tried and true method of electrolysis, how much energy does it take to produce a like amount of hydrogen?
The pebble reactors may be the way to go. A community sized plant in a sealed containment vessel.
By Mrs. RepubLady
January 16, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
I want to pay just enough taxes so the police and firemen can protect ME, and so the roads I use every day will be paved. I want my local, state, and federal government to be funded just enough to rescue ME in the event of a natural disaster. If anyone else is in trouble, it’s their own fault of course. The county hospital emergency room should be ready and waiting for ME when I get hurt, but should not be wasting money treating others. The school in MY neighborhood should have enough books and teachers for MY children, but my taxes should not be used to educate anyone else’s sinful, irresponsible offspring. Of course, my husband actually pays the taxes, not ME. It’s my job to direct our lives, not fund them. I am not selfish, I am a good Christian, and only I actually deserve government services.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
Dear Buy Danish @ 10:16, great question
@ Jbm
Is it really conceivable that a loathsome FAUX conservative such as Butchag Danish post a good question??!!
I am really starting to question your SUPPOSEDLY discerning and keen intelligence!
By Van
January 16, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
jim d,
Yet “the Sonny” wants to not tax these folks?
Why? I could not give you a good answer on that, Ask Sonny - :) my opinion is that taxes on end products or finished goods are the best for the general population. All other taxes are just passed on to the consumer and in the end, a large burden.
By jm
January 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
I am all for reducing taxes. Just let me know what services you plan to cut. However, I am in favor of keeping the Paris Hilton tax.
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
Dear Danish, irs link on sales tax deductibility: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=165636,00.html
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
Dear TFTT @ 10:51, ha, any one with a lick of sense questions my discerning and keen intelligence.
By jim d
January 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
TFT.
Indeed I must be sad and pathetic eco-wacko mate!! LOL,
But only when I think of turning the Great Smokies into a barren mountain range like the Sarhro Mountains or turning the Kansas wheat fields into a desolate stretch of land like Death Valley
By Curious Observer
January 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
The devil is in the details. Rather than rant about whether a consumption tax favors the wealthy, I prefer to wait to see what exemption level is built into the proposed structure. In any case, the current state tax structure is far from ideal. We have, in effect, a 6% flat tax on income—far from “progressive”—and another funding source that penalizes homeowners and car owners. Finally, the existing sales tax is a patchwork shot through with exemptions, holidays, and other quirks.
Give me specifics, not generalities or philosophical positions.
By jim d
January 16, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
Van,
I must agree, however if we don’t spend the money on R&D——Well?
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
I suppose I should acknowledge that the democrat congress will almost certainly re-commence the Federal discrimination against citizens in those states that do not impose an income tax. Typical leftist control issue.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
its kinda hard to know which is the most satisfying …
watching inadequates like aborted foreskin obsessively stalking its betters @10.51 etc or the joyous anticipation awaiting the full blown civil war in Gaza which hopefully wont be too long now to really get going.
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Dear Curious @ 11:02, you may wish to explore Rep. Linder’s Fair Tax. One scheme often floated in any change of tax systems is something like Milton Friedman’s monthly subsistence check, issued to all taxpayers, in an amount calculated to equal the taxes on subsistence level expenditures. Has the dual effect of encouraging enrolling the tax system and proving a basic, recurring safety net income for our poorest.
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Correction in my response to Curious @ 11:02, you may wish to explore Rep. Linder’s Fair Tax. One scheme often floated in any change of tax systems is something like Milton Friedman’s monthly subsistence check, issued to all taxpayers, in an amount calculated to equal the taxes on subsistence level expenditures. Has the dual effect of encouraging enrolling the tax system and PROVIDING a basic, recurring safety net income for our poorest.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
jim d
good on yer mate. at least you have the honesty to admit your eco-wacko bewilderment. must be all that arsenic in the water the alBOre was bleating about!! if we can get the Kansas City Royals to move their franchise they might have a winning season. I’d prefer to see the Cairngorms and the Grampians go barren.
By jim d
January 16, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
BTW Van,
I’m not even sure alternative fuel sources are really needed, after watching the fed. pay people to cap pumping wells in Northern Tx. during the 70’s that are still capped and compensated with tax dollars to remain shut down.
By Evelyn
January 16, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
Compliance will be a nightmare. Property taxes have a very high collection rate, the only way to have a similar collection rate would be to have banks withhold/charge the tax on every disbursement. It would be up to every consumer to apply for the refunds if the disbursements were not for services or products. This would create no more paper work that making every consumer file sales and service tax returns on a quarterly or annual basis. It is not workable. Makng consumers become sales/use and serice tax accountants, on its face, is not a workable tax system, we should finance our state operations upon.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
The tiresome bleating of jimd makes for nausea and induces uncontrollable vomitting! Obviously your utter intellectual dishonesty belongs in the newly scorched plains of Kansas that you proffer. But no need to worry mate…the utter b****** eminating from the misguided compliments of Butchag Danish by Jbm will be enough to reinvigorate the fields and feed the multitudes of leftist sheeple!
By Dusty
January 16, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
Mrs. RepubLady @ 10:50,
I fear you are the wife of Captain Freedom, two zealots in disguise. This capricious conumbrum of phonies is hardly effective. Your contived commentary is obviously tres liberal and tres trickery. Cease and desist, you imperious imposters! WE know what you are. Ha! Gotcha..(OK, so this blog was getting boring!).
By fed up
January 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
I have an idea. Boomers can stop paying for my kids’ schools tomorrow(even though I spent years paying for theirs). In return, I get to stop paying for their retirement… tomorrow. … And so do my children.
That is a deal I will take in a heartbeat.
Food for thought. ….. If boomers aren’t willing to pay for public education (even though their kids got a free ride), there won’t be many high wage earners to support their monthly ss checks. If you can’t be responsible for my well planned kids, why should I have to shoulder your poorly planned retirement.
By aborted foreskin
January 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
TIME TO KILL MYSELF NOW!!
Bye Bye Kruel World!!
SPLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
Dear Evelyn @ 11:16, if you are talking about sales tax, I think you err. Instead of every citizen filing a return, only businesses would file – I think that would actually streamline the need for government checkers. Businesses would collect the taxes, just as they do now. In any event, consumers are poor income tax accountants also – insert my sales pitch for my services here - so getting them out of the business of filing forms should be our first priority.
By jim d
January 16, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this
In my case I believe it may have more to do with the arsenic in the tonic water consumed with a spot of gin.
None the less, I wouldn’t wish ill to our brothers in the UK or Down Under.
By Political BOREskin
January 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
I HATE MYSELF more and more AND I really WANT TO KILL MYSELF but I just aint got the guts to do it … please would some one kindly spray me with an uzi!!
By jim d
January 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
TFT,
11:16 AM
Excellent, everyone gets fed.
By Redneck Convert
January 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
I see they’ve started on figuring out how to squeeze more money out of my pay. As a beer truck driver, I make almost 20 thousand a year and I will be one of the rich folk being hit hard with a new tax scheme.
I don’t care how they do it, it will always come out to more money for the state to waist. The state legaslature ain’t going to cut the pork they have to dish out or start eating cheap meals at a fast food place.
And my money will still be going to Those People and other lazy bums that don’t want to work for a living. It’s bad enough we got that Pelousy woman just itching to raise our taxes. Now the state wants to figure out how to squeeze us for some more. The taxes on Skoal and Red Man and Pabst Blue Ribbon is high enough already. A bunch of libruls just raised them a year or so ago. I say don’t raise the sales tax even more. They won’t quit till I have to give up my nights at Billy Bob’s. And poor Markus will need a hospitle if they raise his taxes. His blood presser will go thru the roof.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
If only sick willie klinton would move to Michigan - then it would be TRULY worth making this retrospective…
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/COL04/701150333
By Markus
January 16, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
Friedman is dead, monetarism is dead, and so is the silliness of “supply-side” voodoo.
Yeah, so is Communism. Socialist liberals want the “wealthy,” the evil wretched top 10%, to pay for everything in this nation. NeoStalinist liberals believe that wealth is given, not earned, hence Brian’s brilliant idea of not only taxing income, but wealth as well. The last time I checked, wealth is taxed. It’s taxed on things like estate taxes, death taxes, property taxes, and capital gains taxes. A home is wealth. Property is wealth. Investments are wealth. Any and all of the above transferred to family in inheritance is wealth. This is not a complicated concept to understand, but apparently the Marxist liberals of the Jackass Party have a real hard time with it. Further, to say that consumption based taxes transforms the burden to the poor is a mischaracterization of the premise of consumption taxation. Obviously, people (the jackal socialist liberals naturally) against this concept have never studied the proposals.
So what about consumption regarding the wealthy? Someone show how a poor person is taxed with more of a burden when they purchase a BMW, take a 2-week cruise, purchase a $500k home, a $400 Ruth’s Chris dinner for four, or spend $15,000 on a home theatre. Oh that’s right, the poor and lower classes don’t purchase those things because they can’t. Ok, so consumption based on what regarding the poor and lower classes? A box of Cheerios? Skippy? Wonder bread? Wal Mart underwear? McDonald’s? A bowling alley ticket? Every consumption based tax proposal I know of completely eliminates the burden on the poor and those below a maximum set income. As the Fair Tax proposes, the poor should be eliminated from necessity living consumption based taxes like food, clothing, and shelter-based purchases.
Genius liberal Brian also mentions corporate taxes being taken back to the 1950’s level (interestingly the ONLY thing these neocommunists on the left would bring back from the 1950s). One reason corporate tax levels are lower than the 1950s is because the government gives incentives for companies to offer benefits to their employees. Some things like 401k accounts where companies contribute a percentage and paid tuition for continuing education were not available in the 1950s.Contrary to what the Party Of the Jackasses think, those benefits cost m-o-n-e-y, and the government gives incentives via tax breaks to corporations for them. Why the horseass left in this nation has such a hard time comprehending that is beyond me. But then again, that’s probably why the majority of the limpwristed neoMarxist liberal leaders in this nation are former lawyers and not businessmen. They know not what they do, especially when it comes to businesses in this nation. The idiots on the jackal left couldn’t run a Buford Highway taco stand because God forbid they actually make some evil profit off a working man. Freaking pathetic sickness liberalism is.
The neoStalinist liberals here and elsewhere really need to do their homework before marginalizing themselves with emotionalism and merely spewing misinformation. But, that’s what liberals do best – overemotionalize and overestrogen themselves. Ultimately, when neoStalinist liberals push for a higher tax burden on the wealthy, what they are really doing is forcing a trickle back to those disappearing from the middle class. Yes, that middle class that’s disappearing - right into the upper and wealthy classes - as they have always done. Yes, that same current middle class that may have $750,000 in assets to pass on to their heirs in 20 years. There are a lot of middle class income earners who are your millionaire next door… just ask Clark Howard who he knows. Something else the jackalcrats on the left can’t understand is that the majority of the wealthy in this nation weren’t born into wealth - they earned it. Every year Forbes releases it’s wealthiest people list. Every year more and more of those people are self-made.Yet, that’s just another concept the left can’t comprehend. Why? Because these aspirates on the left think those who “made it” walked all over the backs of the poor and middle classes. It’s a disgusting way to go through life with a mental disease like liberalism.
I don’t know where liberals got this mentality that the wealthy in this nation need to have the entire burden put on them for taxation. What, are the middle class and even poor supposed to live completely tax free in this nation or something? It is entirely impossible for the top 10% to carry the majority of the federal income tax burden in this nation more than it’s already doing at 67%. But hell no, that’s not enough. It’s never enough with the mental disease of liberalism. NEVER enough. On a final note, quite a few of those in that top 10th are business owners who employ people – another concept the left doesn’t even think about when deploying their fairness doctrine of shifting an ever-increasing tax burden on the wealthy. If you really want to see how the disease of liberalism has an effect on an economy and the economic success of individuals, businesses, and a nation, just look at France.
Random thoughts:
I surmise neoStalinist liberals don’t like to play Monopoly because it’s not fair to have more money and more property than someone else. Sickness I tell ya.
How many poor people and lower classes start companies and employ others?
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
L/Cpl. Syphillis has multiple ids on this blog like the utterly loathsome leftist afterbirth aborted foreskin. Ruefully I am now starting to ponder whether our resident marxist vermin nutter is Butchag Danish or Jbm!!
By ICEMAN
January 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
Barack Obama is exploring the possibilty of running for President. Good for him!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
jim
Of course no one wishes ill to the folks in the vital parts of the UK … just Scotland, Ireland and Wales and of course the uncouth convict bastards in Australia!!
By newkid
January 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Kudos to Mr. Richardson for initiating a broad public discussion of fundamental reformation of property taxes. Too late for some though. A few years back a family friend was faced with losing her home of 30+ years because of outlandish increases in property taxes (brought on by the house’s location in rapidly gentrifying area of Decatur). The value of the house - for which she had paid the mortgage in full - had risen to the point where the property taxes were costing her a very significant percentage of her social security income (her major source of income). She couldn’t come close to affording the property taxes, so he had no choice but to sell and use some of the equity to relocate to another far away neighborhood, find new friends, etc.
Was she getting additional services in exchange for the huge run up in property taxes? No, absolutely not. Was she ‘wealthy’ and therefore needed to pay a larger ‘fair share’ of her ‘wealth’ to provide services? Of course not; social security was by far her major income source. She was a victim of a system that says that the ‘perceived’ value of your abode ought to be the foundation upon which the poliical jurisdiction in which you reside extracts money from you in order to pay for services provided - many of these services are either not well provided, or could be provided a much reduced cost if we were willing to employ regionalization in our approach to providing those services - to a larger population.
If given the choice of keeping her home and trying to pay $6000+ in annual property taxes; keeping her home with zero property taxes and paying an additional 5% in sales taxes; or selling her home and relocating; I’m fairly sure her choice would have been to keep her home and pay the additional 5% consumption tax. She would have had to CONSUME more than $100,000 worth of goods and services per year before the additional 5% in consumption taxes would have come close to the annual $6000 in property taxes. Needless to say she wasn’t given that choice. Perhaps with the discussions expected to occur in reaction to the current proposal advanced by Mr. Richardson, some of those who are soon to be in positions like our family friend will have an opportunity to finally say which of the options they prefer without having so many of us try and speak for them.
I too am looking forward to the debate. I’m not at all happy with the fact that my property taxes are now 250% of what they were in 2001 without - I can assure you - a comparable increase in my ‘wealth’ or the quality and/or quantity of the services provided. The schools for the most part continue to produce graduates - when they actually graduate - who are most unprepared for a 21st century global economy; people-friendly roadways/sidewalks continue to be a VERY LARGE exception rather than a rule, etc. I can assure you that my legislator will hear my point of view quite clearly.
Sorry for the long post.
By Mrs. RepubLady
January 16, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Dusty, you are a socialist lefty posing as a good American. I know this because you used the word “tres.” From high school french class this means “very.” Only socialists and communists who want my money to pay for somebody elses stupdity, lazyness and sin use french words instead of American words.
By Magneto
January 16, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
The Dow just opened at an all time high and the idiotic media is ignoring it. No one talks about the healthy condition of the Economy because it doesn’t suit political purposes.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
jesus h. christ Markus!!…must you post such PALAVEROUS and MEANDERING comments. At times your intellectual integrity becomes discernible but at others your comment represents the typical utterly obtuse and meaningless blather that is proffered by our resident marxist afterbirth pond scum!! Lighten up mate!
By the balls
January 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
Donald Trump has said many times that nothing is what it’s cracked up to be. Well let me tell you about a little guy named Cracklin’ Rosie…..
GET OFF THE BOARD, MR TRUMP!!!
By Captain Freedom
January 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
The Captain arrives to clear up some misinformation tossed around by the parched Dusty and delusional TFTT (who will no doubt break his knee in a rush to respond to this, predictable wankler that he is).
No, Dusty, Mrs Republady is not the esteemed and well-lubricated Mrs Freedom. Mrs F has no time for this blog business, involved as she is in charitable works with the LEGAL immigrant community. Why, even as I type, Mrs F has delivered a “care package” to our poor plumber Pedro, who apparently must remain in bed today. She generously packed a small basket of brie, pate, and crackers with a split of sparkling wine to deliver to the poor man. She also told me she planned to read to him for several hours to help him with his English skills. A saint, this woman, a true Saint, striving to integrate these hard-working foreigners into the fabric of our American way.
I must admit, though, that I find Mrs RepubLady’s Ayn Randian embrace of me-first greed a refreshing tonic to the gimme gimme of Islamoliberal welfare queens. Those damned people just want a handout. We White Christian True Believers prefer the truth that we have earned everything we have all by ourselves.
As for the delusional and linguistically-challenged Tired of the Truth…The Captain does not post under other names. He is one of a kind, and your pathetic stalking of this Stalwart Defender of Freedom indicates that you know, deep down, that you are not fit to apply ointment to his pilondial cyst. You will no doubt hurl your loggorheaic invective in denial, but it is a fact.
Further, to date there have been ZERO attempts at nick the Captain’s good name. The Captain’s sharp powers of reasoning and elegant prose style (unlike the wanking spew of the faux Brit Tired) are not easily simulated nor parodied.
By Darth Vader
January 16, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
Mrs.RepubertyLady,
When you were in High school, the British were still in control so how would you know?
By RW unplugged........ew
January 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Gads, Markus wrote a nearly 1000 word manifesto and expected us to read it….bwa, what a unimoron! I love it!
“Duh, this time I’m gonna really say it, and spray it, and drool all over my own tool, duhhhhh”…..RETARD!!!
By Captain Freedom
January 16, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
I haven’t been wanked because of my obsessive ability to kiss everyone one these blogs’ a$$ to not upset them.
By Dusty
January 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
Ah dear Republady aka Capt.Freefall’s beleaguered spouse @ 11:59
Pardon moi, sil vous plait. If money were paid for stupidity, you would be rich.
Au revoir, mon ami.
By ICEMAN
January 16, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Does anyone want to discuss politics? How about the eventual showdown amongst the democrats?
By Markus
January 16, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
The Obamagasm continues in the media. Well, here’s a perspective you won’t see of Obama inbetween Katie Couric’s and Chris “softballs” Matthews’ multiple Obamagasms.
When researching Obama’s past that the mainstream media won’t do, it becomes a more clear case of “Barack who?”
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/488674p-411414c.html
By Captain Freedom
January 16, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
C’mon 12:24, you can do better than that.
Unless you are Markus. If so, that’s probably your best shot.
By Markus
January 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Note to liberal neocommunist ID thief (you know who you are, RAT)…
I’m not writing to you worthless disgusting sewer RATs on the left. You pathetic filthy pukes on the left can drop dead tomorrow for all I care… you are all equally worthless and meaningless to me, let alone your @sshole opinions. [spit]
By Darth Vader
January 16, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
Barack Hussein Obama is the AntiChrist. Mark it down!!
By ICEMAN
January 16, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Markus,
How do you feel about Obama?
By JBM is a condescending...
January 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
Marcus, i read the article you linked to and all I can say is “So what”? So Barack Obama was not a student leader at Columbia. So what? Dubya was a C student at Yale. So what? The article adds nothing to the debate over whether Obama is ready to be president.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
Cheers for the latest hilarious unhinged hissy fit Syphilis … watching ALL the should have been aborted leftist scum on here ventilating their endless anal obsession with me is fooking funny!!
By Rod
January 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Of course all the right-wingers like this idea. It’s a poor tax. Poor people will have to pay a much higher percentage of their income in taxes than wealthier people like most Republicans and Jim Wooten.
If Jim buys $100 of essential items, the tax in relation to his income is insignificant. However, to a poor family buying $100 of essential items, the tax is a high cost and will forever keep them in poverty.
All Jim and other Republicans care about is getting richer while the poor get poorer and die.
By Captain Freedom
January 16, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
ATTENTION EVERYONE!
I just gave away my alternate ID to you. Look at my post @12:30. Why else would I kiss Markus’ a$$.
I am Markus!!
By ICEMAN
January 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review. That should count for something if his status at Colunbia does.
By Captain Freedom
January 16, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Well done Truth, a land speed record in reacting to the bait. You are so predictable as to take all the fun out of the game of bait (me) and Biiittch (that would be, um, you).
I will speak of and to you no longer. You are unworthy of The Captain’s attentions.
By time for the lies
January 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
My oh my, time for the truth seems to have diarreah of the mouth today:
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
After what - 40 or so years of unremitting liberal brainwashing in liberal run schools and force fed campus pandering this is just too freaking funny!!!
Dim and stupid yankkkees - or what??!!
MLK Abolished Slavery?
The results of a University of Connecticut’s Department of Public Policy poll suggests that America’s college students might need to brush up on their knowledge of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Although 81 percent of the students knew that the slain civil rights leader pursued quote, “racial justice and brotherhood,” most of the remainder of the students believed that Dr. King was promoting an end to slavery. Slavery in the United States was officially abolished in 1865, some 98 years before Dr. King gave his famous “I Have a Dream,” speech.
Thank Christ this snootty anal treasonous gigolo, like the alBOre, was beaten by Bush!!
Windsurfing Challenge
Massachusetts Senator John Kerry wants Americans to know that windsurfing isn’t easy. In the upcoming issue of Details magazine, Senator Kerry is quoted as saying, “I challenge anyone who makes fun of windsurfing to come out and do it with me and see how long they last.”
Senator Kerry was ridiculed by Republicans in the 2004 presidential election for windsurfing off the coast of Nantucket. The images of the senator twisting his surfboard back and forth proved irresistible to Bush media strategists, who quickly turned it into a powerful campaign advertisement.
Liberalism is a mental disease and needs to be eradicated from the public square!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Oh, there is that guy in the paper this morning, he wants the bicycle to make a come back for commuting
Must be that nutty obsessive moron harold who having had his driving licence nicked again by the plod thinks that folks can happily and easily commute from Rome to Atlanta or Cumming to Atlanta or Canton to Atlanta or Duluth or Stone Mountain to Atlanta on a bicycle every day.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
But then I guess we’ll need to concern ourselves with how squeezing the moisture out of our atmosphere will affect rainfall in various parts of the world.
WHAT????!!! Who gives a toss about the rest of the world?? … the UK and Israel are extremely important of course and currently places like Iraq and Afghhanistan matter, whilst they have US/UK troops on rotation.
You must be another sad and pathetic eco-wacko mate!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
The dearth of a response from my cunningly witty posting of the daily pickings from the Political Grapevine as reported by Brit Hume on FOX News @ 10:05 vainglouiously illustrates my superior wanking abilities! Leftist afterbirth scum like foreskin, feminazi JK, and crackpipe debbie will never aqcuire my acute acumen of wanking and will forever remain in their obtuse spheres of bollockschop bleating.
Pay attention closely marxist vermin…twist…pull…twist…pull…oh god…twist…pull…allah-u-akbar…twist…pull…ahhhhh!!
HUGE I wank better than leftist pond scum SMIRK!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
see how unbelievably easy you are EVERY DAMN DAY to wind up are aborted foreskin!!
a couple of innocent ‘trademark’ posts and this festering, quivering body lice is obsessively stalking again!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
Dear Buy Danish @ 10:16, great question
@ Jbm
Is it really conceivable that a loathsome FAUX conservative such as Butchag Danish post a good question??!!
I am really starting to question your SUPPOSEDLY discerning and keen intelligence!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
its kinda hard to know which is the most satisfying …
watching inadequates like aborted foreskin obsessively stalking its betters @10.51 etc or the joyous anticipation awaiting the full blown civil war in Gaza which hopefully wont be too long now to really get going.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
jim d
good on yer mate. at least you have the honesty to admit your eco-wacko bewilderment. must be all that arsenic in the water the alBOre was bleating about!! if we can get the Kansas City Royals to move their franchise they might have a winning season. I’d prefer to see the Cairngorms and the Grampians go barren.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
The tiresome bleating of jimd makes for nausea and induces uncontrollable vomitting! Obviously your utter intellectual dishonesty belongs in the newly scorched plains of Kansas that you proffer. But no need to worry mate…the utter b** eminating from the misguided compliments of Butchag Danish by Jbm will be enough to reinvigorate the fields and feed the multitudes of leftist sheeple!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
If only sick willie klinton would move to Michigan - then it would be TRULY worth making this retrospective…
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070115/COL04/701150333
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
L/Cpl. Syphillis has multiple ids on this blog like the utterly loathsome leftist afterbirth aborted foreskin. Ruefully I am now starting to ponder whether our resident marxist vermin nutter is Butchag Danish or Jbm!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
jim
Of course no one wishes ill to the folks in the vital parts of the UK … just Scotland, Ireland and Wales and of course the uncouth convict bastards in Australia!!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
jesus h. christ Markus!!…must you post such PALAVEROUS and MEANDERING comments. At times your intellectual integrity becomes discernible but at others your comment represents the typical utterly obtuse and meaningless blather that is proffered by our resident marxist afterbirth pond scum!! Lighten up mate!
By Brian Curtis
January 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
By golly, Markus, you’ve convinced me! The working class has it too darn easy in this society of ours, and we’re not doing enough favors for the rich.
And if we don’t, why… they might refuse to become rich any more! What a horrific prospect! Boy, that sure would teach us the errors of our ways, wouldn’t it?
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
All Jim and other Republicans care about is getting richer while the poor get poorer and die.
moron Rod…That’s the best advice that you’ve proffered mate!! Now how about all of our resident marxist vermin get poor and die!
huge i am digging the leftists’ mass grave SMIRK!!
By Darth Vader
January 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
time for the truth,
Did you and your boyfriend enjoy King day? Did you experience your usual humpfest?
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Er, Markus…well said @ 12:31 mate however I am being honest with my assertion that your posts can be meandering and pointless at times. Your WIT and ACUMEN should allow for shorter posts! Lighten up mate!
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 01:00 PM | Link to this
If this pathetic id stealing continues I’ll have to start charging ALL the should have been aborted at birth leftist scum a user fee for my increasingly valuable ID!!
I’ll obviously generously donate half of the profits made from the resident should have been aborted leftist scum to the most surgically incompetent medical Cuban charity I can find on Google for the further lobotomising of aborted foreskin and redneKKKs NAMBLA.
By deegee
January 16, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this
Of course the middle-aged and retired people like the idea of the consumption tax. They have already made most of their major purchases, furniture, appliances, cars, etc. While I don’t think it is right for retired people to spend 25% of their retirement income on taxes, I still think that everyone with an income should pay the same LOW rate. The tax code is so bogus right now. It is supposed to encourage people to make good investments with their money. It is having the opposite effect in that it discourages saving because of the double taxation on investment income. It is causing people to invest their money overseas, it turns otherwise honest people into cheats, and it is ridiculously expensive and time consuming to comply with. If they had to vote tomorrow on this beast of a tax code no one would vote for it. Oh, wait, there’s Medicare Part D. No, we haven’t learned our lesson.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this
@ Markus
…and not to mention that it was really ME at 12:31 instead of our resident anal obsessive id stealing afterbirth marxist scum!!
By Magneto
January 16, 2007 01:04 PM | Link to this
Anyone who hates rich people is a real loser. If it weren’t for these people stepping out and taking risks there would be no jobs or money for you to whine over!
By Time4theNoose
January 16, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this
The state will never pass tax reform, ever. Neither will the feds. The only changes will be less taxes for the rich, more taxes for the poor.
Relabeling the inheritance tax (death tax) is proof that the neo-putzes are criminal conspirators against the average tax payer.
By Stewart
January 16, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
lobotomising of aborted foreskin
That’s pretty F-ing sick man!! What are you…a closet sadist? Are you seriously talking about cutting off a piece of aborted foreskin from a penis?
By getalife
January 16, 2007 01:13 PM | Link to this
Your party is turning on w
Now if they would just get w and cheney to resign in disgrace like Nixon, you will see a huge change in direction for the better.
By RW (the oravaginal)
January 16, 2007 01:17 PM | Link to this
Time4daTurd is so stupid, he thought Mannlicher Carcano was a gay bar in Dallas.
Time4daTurd is the John Wayne Bobbit of Blogging - he’s always going off half cocked.
bwaturd!
By Transsexual
January 16, 2007 01:25 PM | Link to this
time for the truth,
You sound like my kind of man. We need to get together sometime so we can exchange fecal matter.
By Van
January 16, 2007 01:31 PM | Link to this
Time4theNoose,
The “poor” do not pay income tax, I wish you liberal wackos would remember that. Only the middle class and the upper class pay any taxes, and the bulk is paid by the top 10% of wage earners.
By jbmlaw
January 16, 2007 01:33 PM | Link to this
Dear Evelyn @ 11:16, if you are talking about sales tax, I think you err. Instead of every citizen filing a return, only businesses would file – I think that would actually streamline the need for government checkers. Businesses would collect the taxes, just as they do now. In any event, consumers are poor income tax accountants also – insert my sales pitch for my services here - so getting them out of the business of filing forms should be our first priority.
By time for the truth
January 16, 2007 01:35 PM | Link to this
I HAVE TO DECLARE A COMPLETE AND EMPHATIC VICTORY!!!
When one manages to ensnare already extremely sick and twisted obsessive nutters to this kind of manic obsessional cyber stalking they are obviously abjectly beaten.
To SO EASILY AND EFFORTLESSLY “push” such social inadequates to such pathetic compulsive behaviour where they do nowt but - with the usual hysterical leftist homosexual theme - unremittingly dwell on a total stran