Thinking Right

By Mark

January 4, 2007 08:21 AM | Link to this

Why not take this one step further and prohibit any attachments or riders to a bill period. A bill should stand alone. Also, to eliminate trickery and the smoke and mirrors that politicians use to bs their constituencies, why not legislate that any bill that is passed have the funding approved automatically upon passage. Take every trick out of their playbooks. Stop the end runs around us that these pols have mastered. Folks, these shyster politicians have had their way with us too long. How many times do you think that these political prostitutes kick back with a big cigar and an drink and laugh their azzes of at us over their latest trickery. Bring everything out of the dark and into the light of day. Stop buying the argument that effective representation must have an element of secrecy. It doesn’t. Want to stop corruption? Want to be represented? Let these shysters know that we don’t trust them and force them to operate in plain sight.

By Brian Curtis

January 4, 2007 08:24 AM | Link to this

“Small-government Republicans”… oh, you’re a funny, funny man, Wooten!

The only truly bipartisan interest in Washington is the one you’ve already mentioned… pork projects to favor campaign contributors. Expecting reform from within is about as silly as enacting “voluntary self-regulation” controls on energy companies.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 08:31 AM | Link to this

6years into it and he finally discovers what Clinton already had in place worked?

Wow, he never has claimed to be a quick learner though, has he?

By jbmlaw

January 4, 2007 08:32 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. If the new Democrat majorities did nothing more substantial than abolish earmarks (or, actually, the full transparency suggested by the president yesterday would be fully sufficient), that would be sufficient to merit re-election for that suspicious bunch. I can think of nothing respectful to say about Rep. Jerry Lewis – by any measure he is a more dangerous clown than the comedian of the same name. The entire Alaskan congressional delegation is little better.

Jim seemingly invites invoking the rare exception, and I would offer a word of praise for my congressman, John Linder – good guy, and not a spender by nature. With him, “delivering the bacon” means traditional conservative restraint, not theft by taking. We have too few like him, in either party. I fear the greatest tragedy of the change in control in Congress is that Linder’s fair tax proposal will now die, just as it was beginning to get a little traction. Democrats have traditionally rewarded their friends with loopholes in the tax code –Republicans were usually too stupid to identify beneficiaries, and were reluctant to repeal anything – and the fair tax makes it far more difficult to play legislative games with tax policy.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 08:46 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Let’s face a bit of probable cause, shall we?

Democrats held power long enough that Republicans once taking the helm felt they were due the whole hog and blew our budget surplus buying pork belly futures rather than keeping us on the path where the Federal debt held by the public would have been fully paid back by 2013. Now I suspect I won’t be around when that happens, if it ever does.

Yet many still consider this administration as being a conservative administration. One may question how that can be. I suspect it’s because many people have not learned to separate conservative spending habits and conservative ideals.

By JJ

January 4, 2007 09:11 AM | Link to this

Why does everyone believe there was a surplus under Clinton. If you take the time to look up the national debt, you will see it grew every year he was in office. Growing from 3.2 trillion to 5.6 trillion. It does not make GW’s budget any better, but all the facts make for a better discussion.

By Curious Observer

January 4, 2007 09:12 AM | Link to this

I was thinking about earmarks during the holiday season. As I passed the Robert C. Byrd Pulpwood Center, took a break on Robert C. Byrd Drive, then later drove past the Robert C. Byrd building of the Bureau of Public Debt, which for some reason had been moved a few decades from Chicago to Parkersburg, WV, part of Robert C. Byrd’s constituency, with the move coinciding with Robert C. Byrd’s chairmanship of the Senate Appropriations Committee, for some reason my mind turned to the subject of federal pork.

Let’s face it—there are never any real penalties for breaking the public bank in funding lawmakers’ pet projects. It’s legal vote-buying, pure and simple, just as Republicans’ tax cuts skewed to the wealthy are legal vote-buying and legal paybacks for campaign contributions.

It will never change, barring the imposition of one-term, one office limits on all public campaigning. People don’t make those big campaign contributions without expecting more than they gave in return. A politician’s duty is to get reelected. And a politician gets reelected by bringing home the bacon—not by shutting the federal purse to his constituency.

Next subject.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

January 4, 2007 09:30 AM | Link to this

Jim,

I think you’re conveniently forgetting private enterprise’s role in all this. Let me help you connect the dots…

That bridge to nowhere in Alaska and the Lovejoy rail line are being built by private contractors who gave a lot of money to the representative that’s pushing the earmark. There you go. that was easy.

Corruption and mismanagement of public funds typically occurs at the behest of companies attempting to make easy money for themselves. The easiest way is to either get your boy elected, or make a new friend in a strategic committee with a lobbyist like Jack Abramoff.

Or, if you’re really a playa, go straight to the top: Halliburton and Exxon started a whole war as a business development strategy.

Pork don’t happen in a vaccum buddy. It happens for bizness.

By CJ

January 4, 2007 09:34 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but I barely made it past Jim’s first paragraph today.

Small-government Republicans? Enormous agricultural subsidies. Medicare Part D without the ability to negotiate prices. Quadrupled the number and amount of earmarks. Fastest growth of discretionary, non-military spending since the LBJ. No-bid contracts. Billions of taxpayer dollars literally lost in Iraq. Millions (if not billions) of taxpayer dollars literally lost trying to clean up the mess from Katrina. Nation building in Iraq without international financial support (contrasted with the first Persian Gulf war) Deficit upon deficit. Federal debt that’s nearly 400 percent of the federal government’s annual income.

Constituents who want nothing from government? Corporate subsidies, special tax breaks not available to the general public or small business, government-funded sporting venues, government-funded nuclear power facilities, no-bid contracts, no-accountability contracts, war profiteering.

And, don’t Republicans breathe the same air that Democrats breathe? Get their water from the same rivers? Eat from the same food supply? Take the same prescription drugs? Drive on the same roads and highways? Buy the same toys for their kids? Drive the same kinds of cars? Fly in the same airspace? Benefit from the same military, police and firefighters? Send their kids to the same?

Small-government Republicans? Constituents who want nothing from government? I gotta call bull$hit on those. Earmarks are just the tip of the iceberg with this Republican party. And no, both parties are not equally at fault. Republicans have taken pork-barrel spending to a whole new level.

On the commuter rail line, agree with it or not, federal funding for its construction would not, by any stretch, fall under the category of an earmark or pork-barrel spending.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 09:36 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

You may not like the tax cuts implemented by Republicans, but how can they be a vote buying scheme if the cuts only go to a tiny fraction of the population?

That is quite a tour through West Virginia you give. Last time I was there I went down the Robert C. Byrd Parkway to have a picnic lunch at the Robert C. Byrd scenic overlook. The mayo must have aged because I had to head over to Robert C. Byrd Emergency care center after lunch. It’s a great facility because you can park in the Robert C. Byrd parking garage and take the Robert C. Byrd shuttle directly to the Robert C. Byrd gastrointestinal wing.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 09:45 AM | Link to this

First Brian Curtis and now CJ. How can anyone be ignorant enough to read this column and come away thinking Jim is actually saying the currently elected Republicans are “small government” advocates? He is clearly saying they aren’t. At least BC isn’t foolish enough to write a six paragraph manifesto proving that he can’t read.

By MELO

January 4, 2007 09:47 AM | Link to this

An example is the proposed 26-mile commuter rail line from downtown Atlanta to Lovejoy in Clayton County. It’s a white elephant project and if it gets built at all, it will only be because money was earmarked in the federal budget that will largely fund start-up, but not operating costs.

A white elephant is a project that is completed but which will find no use.Thats my understanding.

Do you honestly believe that this rail line will be underused? I dont think so. You just do not like the idea of those poor country folks getting a cheap ride into Atlanta and commiting ‘crime’! Thats your fear and stop hiding your racism here. When will white Republican people ever learn to live nicely side by side with black without having wrong stereotypes?

By jim d

January 4, 2007 09:53 AM | Link to this

jj,

Perhaps it’s because our 42’nd president was in office from January 20, 1993 – January 20, 2001.

Couple that with reports like this one, http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy01/guide04.html , that indicate it’s true.

By peter

January 4, 2007 09:56 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA……..Jim Wooten you jest today……..

There has neen nothing small about the Republican spending during the Bush administration……….

Along with raping the coffers of our US Treasury, they have wasted so much more it is a total sham.

Come on now let’s talk about something that makes some sense here PLEASE !!!!

By jim d

January 4, 2007 09:58 AM | Link to this

Melo,

I must agree—it is not a white elephant—It would however be a “cash cow” for any of the contractors.

By Brian

January 4, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

It’s pork when politicians dish it to constituents. What is it when constituents dish it to politicians? Sonny?

“Well, you get elected governor Brian …”

By Redneck Convert

January 4, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Things has come to a pretty pass when a fellow can’t expect to dip his fingers in the public money pool after voting his man into office. And keep his enemies out of it.

When I voted for Sonny again a couple months ago, I expected him to give me a tax cut and keep Those People away from what tax money I pay in. Just like he give hisself that $100,000 tax cut. I am in one of the high income brackets. I make almost 20,000 bucks a year driving that beer truck. I need people like Sonny to look after my intrests. And he does.

Don’t get me wrong. Sonny will never be Ol’ Strom. But he does as good as he can, what with the feds making us give Those People two House seats and all.

So leave the Republican lawmakers alone, Wooten. Us people up here in north Forysth County is expecting a new x-pressway from our trailer right onto Ga. 400 any day now. Don’t muck it up for us.

By the way, I been reading some of the posts TFTT has made over the past couple days. He’s getting ready to blow up. Just like Jim Ed Puckett blowed up at the chicken plant a few years ago and cut loose on some people with a 30-06. Like TFTT, Jim Ed started calling everybody a bunch of names for sevral weeks before he finally let them have it.

There’s a reason England kicked TFTT out, and I can guess what it is. Just watch yourself and be nice to him. He can’t help it if he’s a little loony.

By freedomadmin

January 4, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Wooten:

I like how you carefully started your piece with ‘small-goverment Republicans’. I haven’t seen any of this species in many years now and the current resident of the White House is certainly not part of this group.

Join me on my political blog (I dare you Republicans!):

http://freedom-forum.blogspot.com/

Join me on my political forum:

http://www.forumcityusa.com//index.php?mforum=freedom

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

freedomadmin,

When you buy an ad here at Wooten’s blog I’ll come over and visit your site.

By @@

January 4, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

So Jim, just how far do the newly elected Democrats plan to take this reform? Last I heard they were going to deal with it as an “identity crisis”. Identifying the sponsors of a bill?

In a “pig’s eye” it’ll work.

Hell, I’m in Georgia. My fork isn’t long enough to reach that frozen pig in Alaska. Google will though.

Now Jim, this is what the rumor mill is saying down here in Clayton where we’ve only had ONE REPUBLICAN on the board, and that was years ago. He, too was a good guy. A one termer. Some of this I know as fact, the rest is speculative.

Wealthy board members (present or former) finance campaigns for incoming candidates, thereby maintaining influence. A former Chairman, no longer with us, thank goodness, brought in the C-Tran buses without a referendum. He is now deeply entrenched in development at the northern end of the county.

His aspirations then, and now, were/are to sit “high and mighty” on THE MARTA BOARD. He also struck a lucrative deal on some land which he later sold to Wal-Mart for a couple of million. Who did he buy it from? A former Clayton County Police Chief, turned developer.

Guess where Jim? Right across from the proposed Lovejoy Station.

I never voted for the S.O.B. He was a real estate attorney for all the big-time developers, one of which is presently under investigation for “ethics violations” and just retired from the board.

Wole Ralph? I like the guy. He doesn’t please me 100% of the time, but he’s ethical (I think).

Watch ‘em closely, and know who they hang with before touching the screen.

By Andrew

January 4, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Typical of Jim Wooten to try and shift blame from his beloved GOP.

The geometric increase in earmarks started with the GOP’s takeover of Congress in 1994 and steadlily increased. At EPA for example, the number of earmarks went from a less than a dozen in 1993 to over 400 a year in the early 2000’s. Sure some earmarks went to Democratic Districts — but if the GOP wanted to control spending they could have done so at any time — how about accepting responsibility Jim? The GOP called the shots on spending for 12 years and incurred record deficits.

And also contrary to what Wooten says, those EPA earmarks were not taken from funds appropriated from the states, but were pure add-ons. Many of those are the worst kind of pork, like a grant to Maryville, Tennessee to buy ‘greenspace’ for a park. It just so happened that the property was right next door to Tennessee Coach Phil Fulmer’s house and was slated for development. The Coach didn’t want a lot of middle-class homes in his view — so the GOP caucus from Tennessee shoveled money to pay for a park to keep the Coach happy.

As for commuter rail in Atlanta, it will never happen, not because it won’t work (it could if planned correctly, but that’s beyond the capacity of the Georgia Highway Department) but because the GOP in Georgia will never embrace anything but asphalt. Those GRTA and Gwinnett buses? They are operating on federal start-up funds that will expire next year. So much for Purdue’s transit plan (besides GRTA’s decision to run express buses in direct competition with Gwinnett, Cobb and MARTA buses was beyond stupid — GRTA should have helped those agencies establish more routes and establish routes in counties that did not have bus service, not compete with those couties that do).

What about the fed funding for the multi-modal terminal? Those funds were appropriated almost 10 years ago and, unless reauthorized by Congress, will expire. Atlanta has donated the old AJC building as part of the match, but the Georgia Highway Department still has not moved on the project and since they cannot use that $$$ for roads, they won’t be able to spend it and it will eventually go to another City that actually has a plan (what a concept, regional transportation planning, too bad it can’t happen here).

Metro Atlanta does not deserve a transit system, not because people won’t ride it, but because the leadership at the state level is focused only on pavement and is in the pocket of the road-building lobby.

New Year’s wishes: Learn to enjoy your car. You will be spending more time in it each year.

By Courtney

January 4, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Responding to RW’s 9:45 post, Jim Wooten limited his complaint about “small-government” Republicans to pork-barrel spending (which he was conspicuously silent about when Republicans led the Congress). Wooten also added that “both parties are equally at fault”. Brian Curtis, CJ and others addressed these fallacies.

Given his lack of attention to detail, RW is in no position to accuse others of not being able to read.

By Dennis

January 4, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

What Bush wants is more “pork” for himself, so that he can continue to use the American military as if it’s his own private army. Nor do we have a Congress that will stand in his way.

Just as members of both parties voted for the Iraq war because of fear of being seen as unpatriotic if they didn’t, this same fear will keep them in line from exposing any Bush secrets about spying. Nor will losing more lives in Iraq matter to either party either. Lyndon Johnson was afraid of not being re-elected if he called off the Vietnam war, and Nixon/Kissinger were more concerned about their public image and their “honorable peace” (an accord which they sabotaged at Christmas in 1968). To them, the lives of American soldiers didn’t matter as much as their political careers, just as the lives of American soldiers do not matter to George W. Bush.

The corporate controlled American congress fears the American people. That is as much or more about what Homeland Security is about as anything else. And now to the extent that even your mail (today’s news) is not private.

Oh, it’s about pork alright.

Pork for me, none for you.

It’s a pretty desperate government that will do that to it’s own citizens, isn’t it?

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Diogenes

January 4, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten,

The Republican Party’s constituency was once the Main Street shopkeeper, one whose thrift and diligence provided his family an income and his neighbors the goods they needed. Their ideal was a government run as they ran their businesses. That shopkeeper’s ideals were private property, free enterprise, and personal responsibility because he had built his life on those principles, and he wanted the government run accordingly.

That shopkeeper has largely disappeared and so has that political party. The Republicans are now the political arm of big business, corporations so massive that they can buy and sell political candidates just as they buy and sell goods and services. You and the bloggers who support the Republican Party so aggressively seem unaware that this Party no longer represents you and your ideals. This Party now represents those such as Nardelli with his $200 million buyout. Jbmlaw with his Libertarian advocacy may be one of the few who see the huge gulf between their ideals and those of the Party they are defending.

The ideals which you espouse are closer to those of the minimum wage worker you all were willing to deny a wage increase yesterday than they are to the CEOs who now own and run the Republican Party. You, Jim Wooten, and most of the rest of the bloggers are employees of large corporations who are indifferent to your needs. Jbmlaw and his Libertarian Party need to define their image to truly represent working class America.

By Diogenes

January 4, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Jbmlaw:

I was talking with a friend yesterday who told me she was a Libertarian and that she was very far to the right. I think you have an image problem. I know that your candidates in the past election did nothing which distinguished them from the other candidates and were, therefore, not regarded as serious candidates by many. Since I know that Libertarianism started as a “law free” and anarchist movement, I find the perception of Libertarians as disaffected conservatives a little jarring. I certainly do not associate a “law free,” or a “freedom” society with many of the positions currently held by the conservative government in office.

If you cannot distinguish yourself as a party or as a political theory from the ambient political culture (a problem many commentators believe plagues the Democratic Party, also), then you will have little or no chance to be taken seriously in the next election. As of the past election, I would suggest that your candidates were trying to fill a perceived ideological gap between the parties and did not know how to present that to the voters.

Right now I think “Libertarian” merely an easy label for those disgruntled with policies of the current administration and unable to ally themselves with the policies of the Democratic Party. If you plan to represent a Centrist position, which is what I think I hear from you, then you need to define yourselves more clearly, or many, such as my friend, will be misled. I think you need concern yourself also about being confused with the do nothing Congress we just voted out of office. You need to tell the public how “law free” and anarchy are not the same as “do nothing.” By the way, did you see the blogs I sent you early Monday as a response to some of your theory of government on Friday?

By RJ

January 4, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

” Surely, since both parties are equally at fault in porking up the budget, bipartisan agreement exists for ending the “secretive process” that gets us projects like the Lovejoy rail line and the Alaska Bridge to Nowhere.” This logic for an end to earmarks is faulty on several fronts. First, the Republicans had 12 years to end it but did not. Now that the Democrats are in charge they want to end them. With due respect, Ray Charles was blind and is now dead and even he can see the insincerity. Second, because of sheer size and volumn rationality can never be achieved in the budget process. Many items that currently go through the regular budget development process do not get scrutinized. Third, items put in the budget through the regular process are offered by non elected bureaucrats…members of Congress can only react. Earmarks give elected officials direct input into the budget process. If the people think there is abuse then they can unelect them.

By Realist

January 4, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Hey Melo, do you watch the news or read the papers? We will live nicely side by side with anyone, so long as they arent invading our homes, raping our daughters or carjacking our wives.

I think you need to look at a crime statistics map for Georgia 2006 and see where the vast majority of this crime is taking place. And you want me to move my family in next door to that? I dont think so pal.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Thanks for your observations Courtney!

Just because Jim didn’t write a six volume tome calling for the tar and feathering of all Republicans while placing all Democrats on Royal pedestals doesn’t mean he was incomplete in stating that the Republicans of today are not small government advocates.

By Cal

January 4, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Yup. Those dems are all about transparency. Big proponents on national defense spending they are.

In fact, the only reason the leftists supports military spending these days is because Democrats and liberal Republicans use the Defense Department to hide their pork and earmarks, such as Senator Tom Harkin’s concealing $15 billion for breast cancer in the defense budget. Fighting breast cancer is indeed a noble endeavor, but the U.S. Army is more adept at fighting terrorists than combating cancer.

Last year, Senator Clinton voted for a defense appropriations bill that earmarked $4.4 million for a technology center in Missouri, $2 million for a public park in San Francisco, $1 million for a Civil War center in Richmond, Virginia, and $850,000 for an education center and public park in Des Moines, Iowa.

Pork, the other white flag of surrender meat.

By Buy Danish

January 4, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

One difference between Republicans and Democrats should be that small-goverment Republicans represent consitutents who want nothing from government

I disagree with the premise that we want nothing from government. Don’t we want our government to do a whole heck of a lot less, and do what it is supposed to do (like control our borders) efficiently?

Cal,

Great link - thanks.

RW,

You don’t think that could be the survey monkey’s “Courtney” do you?

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Hopefully when Newt finally wins the White House in 08 he will ask the GA congressional delegation for an earmark for Inbred Redneck (although in Inbred’s case a hogs head covered with a pointy head white sheet would actually be more appropriate) to help with adult literacy classes and state financed sterilisation for mutant stolen beer truck driving pinko hillbilly pansies.

Inbred sure needs to make its main New Year resolution an unwavering pledge to see how many daily large fireballs and craters it can make on/in S Fulton and Dekalb roads when crashing its stolen beer truck into any hateful retarded wanker seen driving any kind of vehicle with a liberal/Bush hate bumper sticker.

Maybe Inbred would be generous enough and liberal fearin’ enuff to start up a big ol’ convoy of maraudin’ stolen beer trucks driven by its (now breedin’ like genetically challenged chirping alcoholic crickets bigoted kin) - kindalike Resident Wanker the aboriginal- and take back the roads of these two festerin’ most korrupt parts of GA.

Go on Inbred - stop fussing like a squashed flat roadkillcoon and do summat worthwhile before we forcibly deport your thickaspossumsh!t dumbarse back to Little Rock!

By getalife

January 4, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

It is hilarious watching wingnuts crying about the deficit and pork spending.

It was your party wasting all those billions and then you cry about welfare.

The adults will fix it, so quit your whining babies, and get on board for government reform, be a patriotic American and support our government.

This is going to be fun!

Bwhahahahahahaha!

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I didn’t think of that! Good old Courtney of survey monkey fame, helpful as usual.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

MELON HEAD

on behalf of Rabid Wanker - the aboriginal and Butchhag Danish I hereby summarily upbraid you for your ignorant bigotry and racism against innocent tolerant law abiding intellectually honest white folks. You must have been listening to that quivering tub of bigoted lard Oprah who now rather smugly considers inner city urban skool yoofs not worth investing in because all they want is “ipods and sneakers [and] not skool uniforms”.

Its fair to suggest that this proposed railway line to Clayton County would be more of an AfriKan elephant than a white elephant. Indeed it might actually help decrease the level of drive by shootings down there as folks would have more options for (regional)entertainment.

The actual point made about this railway line is that taxpayer funding only addressed the initial construction phase, not the running costs which would be considerable, given the current relatively small population of Clayton Co, which would likely result in expensive under use of this line, thus necessitating huge further ONGOING taxpayer subisidy. Your bigoted dishonesty is hugely amusing - but entirely predicktable.

By ICEMAN

January 4, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

There is way too much money spent on people who not only don’t want to work, but are taught not to by demoncrats like Al Sharpton. This individual focuses all his attention on isolated incidents instead of what normally occurs and as a result all hope is lost for a segment of our population and their desire to produce.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Turn on C-Span, history is about to be made.

Welcome to the new Dem majority.

Let the investigations begin.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

MELON HEAD

on behalf of Rabid Wanker - the aboriginal and Butchhag Danish I hereby summarily upbraid you for your ignorant bigotry and racism against innocent tolerant law abiding intellectually honest white folks. You must have been listening to that quivering tub of bigoted lard Oprah who now rather smugly considers inner city urban skool yoofs not worth investing in because all they want is “ipods and sneakers [and] not skool uniforms”.

Its fair to suggest that this proposed railway line to Clayton County would be more of an AfriKan elephant than a white elephant. Indeed it might actually help decrease the level of drive by shootings down there as folks would have more options for (regional)entertainment.

The actual point made about this railway line is that taxpayer funding only addressed the initial construction phase, not the running costs which would be considerable, given the current relatively small population of Clayton Co, which would likely result in expensive under use of this line, thus necessitating huge further ONGOING taxpayer subisidy. Your bigoted dishonesty is hugely amusing - but entirely predicktable.

By JK

January 4, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHA! Some Republican members of Congress are concerned that their rights and feelings will be trampled upon as they go forward as the minority, having been stripped of their long-standing majority status by the American voters. Among them is the esteemed Dr. Price, Georgia 6th, who helped draft a Minority Bill of Rights.

In his official crybaby statement, he advocates something new for Capitol Hill: “As a matter of principle, it is important that elected officials be held accountable for what they say and do.” HAHAHA! Stop it, Tom! My sides hurt! Of his proposed Bill of Rights, he states: “While on the campaign trail Democrats reiterated time and again they wanted to have the most open and fair government in history. This Minority Bill of Rights, modeled after a similar bill many in the Democrat leadership sponsored earlier, will ensure that fairness.” WHA…? Didn’t you b!tch-slap that idea when last you heard it? Didn’t you snort with utter contempt at the very idea of “fair government?”

They’ve submitted a list which, if adopted by the new Congress, will discourage such behavior as storming out of committee meetings without adjouring, and turning off the lights and microphones while the minority members are still questioning witnesses. What? Why heck, that was hi-fricking-larious when Sensenbrenner did it! You mean, they don’t want MORE of that to entertain us on C-SPAN? Tom! Say it ain’t so! We told ya, don’t ever change, buddy! HAHAHAHAHA! Nice Flip-FLop there, Doctor! ROFLMCLAO! HAHAHAHAHA!

By Buy Danish

January 4, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Kids say the darndest things, especially when they’re told what to say by their moonbat mommies.

The Littlest Moonbat

VERSUS

The Littlest Anti-Moonbat

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

I realize I’ve been an a*******hole with some of you. I’ve noticed that you are not stupid enough to respond to my lonely tirades and it has made me feel more isolated. My feelings of loneliness is the reason why I express myself the way I do and I need help. Will some of you please acknwledge me if I’m nicer? Please?

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Moby,

I know there’s at least one person here that finds you entertaining, although probably not enough for you to burp out the same post twice.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Another stolen freedom from w, he can open your mail without a warrant.

Once you open the gate to stealing your freedoms, the fascists will take advantage.

We need to take a serious look at our own democracy before we try to spread fascism like Hitler.

All that bs about fighting for our freedom has been tossed by w.

By RW And Buy Danish Are Jerks

January 4, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

RW and Buy Danish,

Please spare us your public displays of affection, and get a room. You’re little inside back-and-forths are mean, stupid and extremely boring.

By James

January 4, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

I second the comment at 12:31. Its irritating to have to sort through all of RW’s and Buy Danish’s posts to get to the meat on this blog.

By Buy Danish

January 4, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

RWABDAJ and James the Parrot,

You don’t mind if I jack your names do you? I only ask because if you really care about “mean, stupid, and extremely boring” posts it would be more productive if you addressed your irritation to the nickjackers who play in your juvenile playground.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

It looks like the dirty bathwater crew has arrived at Wooten’s place with new names. Common guys, where’s Ralph and Clem and Bill and Fred and the girls name you use and……rub a dub dub….

By Politico

January 4, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Hear hear to the “RW And Buy Danish Are Jerks” comment. Reading many of the excellent, thoughtful and passionate comments and debates on this blog becomes tedious with these two school yard bullies using it like it’s their own personal MySpace page.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Hehe, they eat their own.

RW and BD are married or clones. They think exactly alike. Its like they have one brain or the same person.

Scary.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 01:02 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Yeah read that this morning.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/485561p-408789c.html

Seems he really does believe he’s above the law.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this

By RW And Buy Danish Are Jerks RW and Buy Danish,Please spare us your public displays of affection, and get a room. You’re little inside back-and-forths are mean, stupid and extremely boring.

POST OF THE DAY THUS FAR mate!!

By getalife

January 4, 2007 01:10 PM | Link to this

jim d,

The enemy hates us for our freedoms (among other things like blowing up their babies) and w is giving bin Laden what he wanted.

It is absolutely pathetic and unAmerican. All those brave Americans who fought and died for our freedoms has been tossed by w. Words can’t describe my outrage.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 01:14 PM | Link to this

w also gave Social Security to illegal immmigrants after working here for months not years like American citizens.

What is it going to take for Americans to say enough with this unAmerican lunatic?

By Post Office General

January 4, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this

getalife, you can always have a job with us.

By Caroline

January 4, 2007 01:25 PM | Link to this

It is amusing to see Wooten—at least to some degree—admitting to flaws in his beloved Republican party.

By unkultured observashunist

January 4, 2007 01:25 PM | Link to this

YEAH, DAT AND RW AND DANUSH LIKE TO POST UNDER UDDER PEEPLS NAMES AND POST AT END OF DAY WHEN NO RESPONSES KAN BEE MAID!

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 01:56 PM | Link to this

Hypocrite Getalife,

If thinking alike warrants criticism, I’m just wondering if you and Jim D have a hotel room booked.

Or if you’re interested in a little group action, you may want to invite Midori, and your new best parrot pal unkultured observashunist

P.S. Maybe you all could practice scrolling when you’re finished wanking.

P.P.S. For all you poor, pitiful sore losers who feel left out because they don’t understand the survey monkey comment, email a complaint to gm@ajc.com and you’ll get your answer.

Happy?

By Filster

January 4, 2007 02:04 PM | Link to this

It strikes me as odd that those who express such outrage at the alleged erosion of their freedoms are undoubtedlt those who have never had any such freedoms abridged. Getalife, I seriously doubt anyone has opened your mail, or is likely to. Now, you go on-line, peruse websites for thinks like making IEDs, fertilizer bombs, Islamic extremists sites, and that ilk, and you may be put under some kind of watch, maybe even intercept your oversized envelope which sets off the explosive sniffing doggies. But since I do none of those things, I’m not worried that anyone will just randomly select me for investigation, go through my mail, etc. In fact, please identify one factual instance in which Joe Average, and not Abdul BlowUpTheU.S. Obama, bin Laden’s bodyguard, has undergone the “erosions” which outrage you. Face it mate. Cops and Robbers in the 21st century goes by a whole new set of rules, and if you want to play all ethical and upstanding, well, it’s your funeral. As for me, if a little snooping on likely targets will uncover a 9/11, stop a Sarin gas attack in a subway, or [insert atrocity here], then so be it. TTFT, sorry your’ having the holiday blues, but you are who your are. Stop being such a felcher and snap out of it. OBTW, getalife, you really should pay your bills timely. Don’t you know that paying the minimum and paying it late has a disastrous effect on your credit score…

By jim d

January 4, 2007 02:09 PM | Link to this

Dear buy danish.

Pork u

By spaceman109

January 4, 2007 02:11 PM | Link to this

president bush asks for congress to cut earmarks?!? where has he been for the past 6 years when all those earmark-laden bills (farm bill, highway bill…..i could go on for a WHILE) came from congress to his desk?

he could have vetoed any of those earmark-laden bills. instead, he blindly and mindlessly signed ALL of them. we should laugh at him like hyenas for such blatant hypocrisy.

time for the truth….seems to me that a lot more of us would acknowledge your posts if you could somehow find it within yourself to disagree with people without resorting to name-calling. leave off the name-calling and i for one will be happy to debate with you until the end of the world :)

By jim d

January 4, 2007 02:18 PM | Link to this

filster,

does any of this ring a bell?

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich nicht protestiert; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

Translation:

When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 02:19 PM | Link to this

Yes ladies and gentlemen,

Fascism is running wild from the Right

I decided to open an account with this blog to let them know McCarthy would be so proud of this crap. I was banned after one post and my comment was deleted along with my Democratic friends.

Facsists should be controlled in this country. These are not Americans.

Shame!

By getalife

January 4, 2007 02:25 PM | Link to this

I will not respond to fascist scum like Filster.

Except for this:

GFYPOS! Move to a fascist country, this is America!

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 02:28 PM | Link to this

My, my “Time for the Moby to show his true colors” has certainly brought out all his left wing trolls today.

Did you notice how this Moby spouts right wing talking points but takes them to whole new levels of bigotry and ignorance and then only attacks conservatives?

spaceman 109,

tftt isn’t interested in debate because he’s a left wing poser. He can’t debate us on the right because he pretends to share our views and he can’t debate those on the left because they’re his running buddies. He’s only here to act like a horse’s a$$ and try to paint all conservatives with that image.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 02:33 PM | Link to this

Jim D,

WAAAAAAAAAH! You all can dish it out but you just can’t take it, can you? Oh, and Eff you two.

spaceman,

Bush tried to cut farm spending. but had his arm-twisted by [congressional extortionists].(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/21/AR2006122101634_pf.html)

By Yum

January 4, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

Don’t be fooled by the mugshot on the Web site. Ms. Taylor, aka, Melissa Wolf appears to be a hooker whose high price is justified.

By spaceman109

January 4, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

rw i stand corrected….thanks for the heads-up :D

By filster

January 4, 2007 02:37 PM | Link to this

Jim d: yes, I am very aware of that speech, and would have been disappointed had someone not brought it into play. I guess then I should accuse you of equating the current U.S. efforts to Nazi Germany (or are you just calling me one?). But I won’t, if for no other reason than it’s not accurate. There is always a danger once the “slippery slope” (jmblaw, come back on this) is broached, but no one is threatening ethnic cleansing (at least not yet anyway), or attempting world domination. Whether you belive this or not is nothing I can control, or even persuade you otherwise. The issue here is security. The awful truth is my 10 year old could probably walk some sort of nasty device acorss any of our borders. We are so smug in our superiority that most of us have no real clue how vulnerable this country really is. let me phrase it this way. One side of this debate prefers to look ahead and be proactive, the other apparently wants to wait till something bad happens again and then finger point at why. What I’m saying is that in this particualr instance, which I am very afraid is shaping up to an Islam vs. the rest of the world war, the old rules are gone. Do I advocate Manzanita? No. Profiling? Yes. Bust down your door at 3a.m. warrantless searches by goober and his buddies? No. Kick down your door 3a.m. warrantless searches by, say, Delta squad or Seal Team 6 based on information intercepted “somehow”? Yes. Tell you what. You have your family and loved ones blown to pieces or mutilated by some fanatic with an explosive vest packed with ball bearings and we;ll see if that changes your outlook. And no, I have not suffered the above scenario either. But I’ve been close enough to finally accept that things are different, the rules of engagement have changed, and in a kill or be killed world I’d rather be the killer than the killee. I applaud your moral highground, just don’t expect flowers on your grave. Hmmm, wasn’t this blog about pork spending?????

By jbmlaw

January 4, 2007 02:41 PM | Link to this

Dear Diogenes @ 10:55, my apologies for slow response, the whole week has been full. The blog has turned strange today. To your last question, I am embarrassed to acknowledge that I was unable to view your comments on the Jan 1 blog, and it may be tomorrow night before I get that opportunity. I think most of your commentary today regarding my “ilk” (my word, not yours) is valid, with one distinction, if you will allow me the affectation. I am a libertarian with a little “l.” Although I voted for the Libertarian gubernatorial candidate last year, you should normally place me in the same category as your friend, a Reagan-libertarian. We describe ourselves as conservatives who “really mean it.” I suspect that is why Jim Wooten tolerates some of my more extreme arguments, because he also prefers conservatives who act conservative. I am uncomfortable with the isolationist views of the Libertarians; those ideas are contrary to my free-immigration views, which seem to me more natural to libertarians. Have to run, I’ll check back in for the update on the war between my friends TFTT and RW/BD. Even double teamed, I would never bet against TFTT.

By Filster

January 4, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

getalife… ooohhhh, I am so wounded by your intellectual post. Since you chose not to respond to my challenge of showing one, repeat ONE SINGLE INSTANCE in which your object d’ outrage happened to someone who wasn’t guilty as sin (if it’s happened at all), I shall resort to good ole Southern wisdom, i.e., “a hurt dog hollers loudest.” And P.S. I spent a career serving my country and safeguarding those rights you assert so loudly. I have earned my opinion. What about you little one? have you ever risked your precious little self on anything of consequence? Put up first before you mouth off you snotnosed twerp. So looking forward to your next witty retort.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

spaceman,

I screwed up that last link on the congressional extortionists. Here you go.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Your comment isn’t deleted over there. You wouldn’t be lying to us to enhance your story would you?

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 02:50 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

I thought you wanted to stay out of it? Don’t come back with anymore of your punka$$ “I’m above the fray” BS ever again you freaking cheerleader.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 02:55 PM | Link to this

RW,

They were missing and now they are back. I left them a note about being American (several blogs are watching them), so I guess they listened. I am still banned after one post.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

filster,

No, I’m not saying you are a Nazi. What I’m saying is that the stripping of any of our freedoms by a governmental body just scares the hell out of me and brings to mind the past.

Am I saying our government is leaning towards Nazisim? No, only that the appearance may be there and that it warrants close scrutiny by everyone, not just those that might be affected.

So you see, I do believe in this country, just perhaps not all of her leaders. I also believe it is the duty of every citizen to watch and question are leaders, especially over issues of our freedom. Unlike you, I see the whole mess as an issue of freedom, not security and I’m not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for a little bit of bogus security. If this makes me un-patriotic, then its a badge I’ll wear with honor. The same honor that millions of Americans have bravely faught and died for.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

FISTER is but a giant arsehole but the unremitting snivelling duplicitous paranoia of Rabid Wanker the aboriginal truly is freaking hilarious. This sorry gossamer like Butchhag Danish klone is rapidly gaining the distinction of being the most pathetic of all the many bollockchopjobbies on the blog. Christ even the Cuban pukepig maggotbrain deosn’t even bite as easily as this chump!!

Maggotbrain - with the Pelosibitch now arrogantly preening itself and goosestepping over congress with the filthy corrupt to the core pervert Reid as its marxist lite henpecked Reichmaster in the senate this is NOW a fascist country - the ONLY democratic, somewhat moderate buffer left is President Bush who thankfully for the rest of us has

TWO MORE GLORIOUS YEARS LEFT!!

DEATH TO cowardly corrupt LIBERALISM!!

By Mark

January 4, 2007 03:02 PM | Link to this

The kind of end run around the law that I talked about in my first post this morning. A law explicitly prohibiting the opening of First Class Mail without a warrant is basically rendered null and void by the same guy that signed it into law through another signing statement with the caveat being, “under emergency conditions”. Just what are those “emergency” conditions and who gets to decide if your mail gets opened or not? Folks we fought a war with England to get out from under a monarchy. We elected George Bush president, not king, and it just amazes me that their are sheeple among us that prefer a king.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 03:08 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

Cheering on bigotry is not “conservative”, “Libertarian” or “libertarian”.

Perhaps you should find some new name to describe yourself. Your stream-of-subconsciousness friend Time for the Tirade could help you out. He prides himself as being quite the creative writer you know.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:09 PM | Link to this

Dearest Buy Danish,

I seem to be somewhat confused by your post of 2:33. I dished what out, Dear?

The Pork u comment relating to your personal attack at 01:56?

Other than that dear, the only thing I’ve dealt out was a few facts. Are you having a bit of a problem dealing with that?

By Hear Nancy Roar!

January 4, 2007 03:10 PM | Link to this

A pause for America’s Helen Reddy moment: Madam Speaker has declared the marble ceiling is broken. She is woman and she didn’t even have to burn her bra.

Go ahead Ms. Tucker blog it.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 03:13 PM | Link to this

getalife,

If they ever did delete it I’m glad they put it back. Some of these sites don’t realize what a good idea it is to have some of you whiny liberals posting your drivel on their sites. They can gain traffic and show what nanny state loving crybabies you are at the same time.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

Mark,

It should be added that President Bush swore the following oath.

“I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

The question begs to be asked; Was this just another of his lies?

By spaceman109

January 4, 2007 03:19 PM | Link to this

thanks for the article, rw.

the only thing that article showed is that this president did not have the stones to stand up and resist those who were chemically addicted to farm subsidies.

By Dusty

January 4, 2007 03:19 PM | Link to this

Jim d,

How nice of you to paraphrase Dietrich Bonhoffer and not tell us! Bonhoffer was a German pastor martyred by the Nazis inn 1945. In the lines you copied, he was referring to the church and its slow response against the atrocities in Germany. Bonhoffer reviled the Nazis and they killed him. He said “When they came to get me, there was no one left to call.”

Bonhoffer was killed for fighting the evils of his time just as we fight them today. Our troops are being killed right now fighting “evil”. Most Americans realize that but some belittle their/our efforts.

I hope we do not reach the point where terrorist come here to kill us as they did that terrible day on 9/11. I think Bonhoffer reminded us so eloquently in a few words; don’t be slow about fighting evil.

By Midori

January 4, 2007 03:20 PM | Link to this

RW the original stuck on stupid has the nerve to call someone “whiney”?

Oh!! the horrors!!!

By The Way

January 4, 2007 03:20 PM | Link to this

Point of order, jim d: The oath that W actually swore to had phrasing that ended more like this: “…..to be square, and to obey the law of the pack.”

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 03:21 PM | Link to this

Mark,

As soon as you find someone that has been violated by this signing statement file a case in Federal court. If you’re convincing or patient as hell you can take it to the Supreme Court and then we’ll find out if it was Constitutional or not.

By Filster

January 4, 2007 03:23 PM | Link to this

Jim d, we be cool. A little dissention, even heresy (no accusation) is required along with the blood of patriots. TTFT, I was joking with you trying to lift your spirits. you seemed maudling and aplogetic. welcome back. Oh getalife…. getalife where are you?????

OK, OK, I must confess. I have blogged on JW’s site a few times in the past, but mostly I just read everyone’s comments for entertainment (and in a few instance thought provoking relfection). For whatever reason today I just decided to try and stir up some chitt and see what came of it. As to the original tone of this blog, let’s face it ya’ll. We get screwed regardless of what party is in power. Politics is corrupt (can we say Billy Campbell boys and girls) and will forevermore remain so. Though I sincerely wish something could be done to instill ethics in our civilian leadership, it just ain’t gonna happen in our lifetimes. Nixon, Peanuthead Carter, Slick Willy and Bushie and his pals. Oh, and Jim d, when they come for me they’d better be heavily armed. I’ve got enough firepower in my house to stand off the Iraqi Army!! lol. Filster out.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:27 PM | Link to this

getalife,

re: bush declaring he’s exempt from law.

It’s not the first time, nor will it be the last, he seems to have a history of declaring exemption from law.

Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has issued signing statements on more than 750 new laws, declaring that he has the power to set aside the laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution. The federal government is instructed to follow the statements when it enforces the laws. Here are 10 examples and the dates Bush signed them:

March 9: Justice Department officials must give reports to Congress by certain dates on how the FBI is using the USA Patriot Act to search homes and secretly seize papers.

Bush’s signing statement: The president can order Justice Department officials to withhold any information from Congress if he decides it could impair national security or executive branch operations.

Dec. 30, 2005: US interrogators cannot torture prisoners or otherwise subject them to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.

Bush’s signing statement: The president, as commander in chief, can waive the torture ban if he decides that harsh interrogation techniques will assist in preventing terrorist attacks.

Dec. 30: When requested, scientific information ”prepared by government researchers and scientists shall be transmitted [to Congress] uncensored and without delay.”

Bush’s signing statement: The president can tell researchers to withhold any information from Congress if he decides its disclosure could impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch.

Aug. 8: The Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and its contractors may not fire or otherwise punish an employee whistle-blower who tells Congress about possible wrongdoing.

Bush’s signing statement: The president or his appointees will determine whether employees of the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission can give information to Congress.

Dec. 23, 2004: Forbids US troops in Colombia from participating in any combat against rebels, except in cases of self-defense. Caps the number of US troops allowed in Colombia at 800.

Bush’s signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can place restrictions on the use of US armed forces, so the executive branch will construe the law ”as advisory in nature.”

Dec. 17: The new national intelligence director shall recruit and train women and minorities to be spies, analysts, and translators in order to ensure diversity in the intelligence community.

Bush’s signing statement: The executive branch shall construe the law in a manner consistent with a constitutional clause guaranteeing ”equal protection” for all. (In 2003, the Bush administration argued against race-conscious affirmative-action programs in a Supreme Court case. The court rejected Bush’s view.)

Oct. 29: Defense Department personnel are prohibited from interfering with the ability of military lawyers to give independent legal advice to their commanders.

Bush’s signing statement: All military attorneys are bound to follow legal conclusions reached by the administration’s lawyers in the Justice Department and the Pentagon when giving advice to their commanders.

Aug. 5: The military cannot add to its files any illegally gathered intelligence, including information obtained about Americans in violation of the Fourth Amendment’s protection against unreasonable searches.

Bush’s signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can tell the military whether or not it can use any specific piece of intelligence.

Nov. 6, 2003: US officials in Iraq cannot prevent an inspector general for the Coalition Provisional Authority from carrying out any investigation. The inspector general must tell Congress if officials refuse to cooperate with his inquiries.

Bush’s signing statement: The inspector general ”shall refrain” from investigating anything involving sensitive plans, intelligence, national security, or anything already being investigated by the Pentagon. The inspector cannot tell Congress anything if the president decides that disclosing the information would impair foreign relations, national security, or executive branch operations.

Nov. 5, 2002: Creates an Institute of Education Sciences whose director may conduct and publish research ”without the approval of the secretary [of education] or any other office of the department.”

Bush’s signing statement: The president has the power to control the actions of all executive branch officials, so ”the director of the Institute of Education Sciences shall [be] subject to the supervision and direction of the secretary of education.”

By getalife

January 4, 2007 03:27 PM | Link to this

RW,

They ban me after one post and you say I am the whiner.

Geez, those unAmerican fascists are posting a communist flag on their website.

You folks have no shame but it is fun watching you spew your pathetic unAmerican, fascist dictator, apologist rhetoric.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 03:28 PM | Link to this

jim d,

Getalife and multiple other whining parrots have been complaining that RW and I think alike and should get a hotel room.

My post to Getalife was to point out that you two “think alike” so maybe you should get a hotel room too. That was not a “personal attack”.

Surely that’s not too difficult to follow.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

spaceman,

I’m the one who posted those links, not RW - who has had absolutely nothing to say on the matter of farm subsidies.

I think the real problem here is that the Left can’t stand the fact that there are at least 2 people who blog here who aren’t singing in the parrot choir.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

Dick gets the boot

Hehe.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

My bad, I assumed everyone knew from whence it came.

But to be honest with you my friend, I believe we missed the mark on chosing the country in which to fight terrorists.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

Midori,

See how RW is loved over here?

Bwhahahaha!

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:36 PM | Link to this

The Way,

Point noted.

By The Way

January 4, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this

Jim Wooten, it’s like I always say, “you cant make a silk parse out of a sow’s earmark”……and dont call me Shirley.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Danish,

I’m afraid, I relatively new to this blog and unaware of some of its inner workings and personal conflicts, All I ask is that I be left out of them.

And it is my sincere hope that that isn’t to hard to follow.

Thanks and HAGD.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this

Why the hell won’t anyone respond to my blogs?

I just want to be held. Is there anything wrong with the way I post? You guys just ignore me, ignore me, ignore me!! Its tough enough being a gay republican, the last thing I need is to be ignored by everyone.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

Cheers Filster I humbly accept your ‘implicit’ apology (grin) … I trust my deliberately quite muted, even understated commentary on the shrill, ever more hysterical, witlessly execrable sewer rat like verbiage of Rabid Wanker the doltish unoriginal isn’t (still) being construed as a tad maudling.

Naturally having a union hating quasi-Amazonian wannabe Nazi cow like Pelosibitch goosestepping on Capitol Hill is a deeply repugnant symbol of all that is evil and sick in this world. But these two spine chilling years of the new venal, perfidious, liberal dark ages will pass soon enough, and as their endemic, innate, compulsive corruption and shameless defence of DUI killers and Arkansas rapists, mass cocaine abuse and Assachussetts child molestors is once more rammed down the throat of the American public I am confident that enough good folks will reach for the lets napalm the demoNcrats in 08 buttons on the electronic voting machines to right an already long festering wrong.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:44 PM | Link to this

getalife,

how unfortunate that politics takes over and those elected so soon forget why they were elected.

By Dusty

January 4, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

jim d,

I see. You do not think Afghanistan and Iraq are terroristic enough. Would you mind telling me which one you choose from all the information you have such as that received by George W. Bush and Tony Blair?

By Mark

January 4, 2007 03:46 PM | Link to this

I am truly amazed that in the land of the free and home of the brave that mindless chicken littles like you will just stick their little butts up in the air and accept any projectile hurled in that direction by King George at the expense of the liberties and freedoms that so many before have shed their blood for. You sir are un-American.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 03:46 PM | Link to this

Nov. 5, 2002: Creates an Institute of Education Sciences whose director may conduct and publish research ”without the approval of the secretary [of education] or any other office of the department.”

jim D,

WOW!! that is like, such a threat to our liberties!! Thank you so much for pointing this out to us!!!

You’re right! Bush sucks!!

Viva Che’!

By getalife

January 4, 2007 03:47 PM | Link to this

Great post jim d.

It all ties back to Nixon when he spewed it is not illegal if the President does it.

Ford’s pardon made Nixon right.

But we impeach Clinton for lying about a bj.

I say we maintain that standard with w and his lies.

Just to be fair and balanced.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this

jim d,

I hope that 3:44 post to getalife was to reprimand him for finding vengeful pleasure in the fact that Cheney is losing his office.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 03:50 PM | Link to this

BD,

I’m the one who posted those links, not RW - who has had absolutely nothing to say on the matter of farm subsidies

They can’t tell the difference.

RW’s clone.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 03:50 PM | Link to this

getalife,

They shouldn’t have banned you until you started playing JoeWilson, but it’s their web site and you don’t have free speech rights on someone else’s property. They can run their site any way they want.

spaceman109,

You’re welcome, but to the best of my knowledge I haven’t pointed you to any article. I did just post an article at ml’s although your response doesn’t sound like that’s what you’re b!tching at me about.

By ICEMAN

January 4, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this

Getalife reminds me of Al Gore when he was VP. He was there but he didn’t serve any real purpose so he comes up with things to say in order to be noticed by everyone and to get people to talk to him.

By ICEMAN

January 4, 2007 03:58 PM | Link to this

Getalife is that Geico caveman’s clone.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 03:58 PM | Link to this

Danish,

On a side note;

Some issues you’ll discover I side with what appears your opposition. On others you may be surprised to find that even you and I agree.

By Randy Weaver

January 4, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this

RW, you are nothing but a coward and a punk. Fascists ideas like yours is the kind of attitude that got a bullet put between my wife’s eyes while she held and infant baby in her arms standing in the door of our home. People like you don’t deserve the freedoms that I fought for and my friends died for under our Green Berets. Go to Cuba RW. I bet Fidel will gladly allow you to be one of his block watchers. People like you are the real threat to the freedoms and liberties of the rest of us. You are the enemy within.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 04:06 PM | Link to this

getalife,

This is the post that matters:

I think the real problem here is that the Left can’t stand the fact that there are at least 2 people who blog here who aren’t singing in the parrot choir.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 04:13 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yes, like true fascists. There are very few of them left over there. Wonder why?

Icehead,

What is your purpose on posting here?

I post reality to watch the wingnuts squirm, blog entertainment if you will.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 04:13 PM | Link to this

Oh, getalife,

Fords pardon made Nixon right?

Fords pardon of Nixon may well have saved a nation. (this one) The battles that were about to take place would have ripped us apart.

Were you even born when this event took place? I really doubt it.

By Dusty

January 4, 2007 04:14 PM | Link to this

Hey,(getalife’s line at 3:33)

let’s get this straight. Cheney did not lose his office. He lost his office SPACE which he had used on a temporary basis. Cheney is still the Vice President of the USA.

Sharpton, ever the perfect gentleman, called Pelosi a few hours after the November election and demanded that Cheney be removed from his office space so that he, Sharpton, could use it.

I doubt that Cheney will even make a comment. This to getalife is a great victory. Figures.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Weaver,

I make it a point to thank people like you whenever I run across one. So just in case no one ever has thanked you for your service to our country. THANKS.

By ICEMAN

January 4, 2007 04:18 PM | Link to this

Randy Weaver,

First of all I apologize for what happend to your wife.

That does not, however, give you the right to viciously use her to attack other people and their opinion. This is a political blog that provides everyone, including jerks, a platform to speak.

You of all people should respect that.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 04:19 PM | Link to this

jim d,

As my 3:46 indicates, I think we are poles apart.

Perhaps you agree that TfTT’s racism and bigotry, along with jbjlaw’s cheering him on is reprehensible.

You’ll have to tell me where else we might possibly agree. So far all I’ve seen is a whole lot of “Bush Lied!” paranoia.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

No crusty,

The American people’s vote to kick the gop out is a great victory.

cheney losing his office just a hehe not a Bwahahahaha!

He will resign soon anyway.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this

jim d,

Look at us now.

If you break the law, you are held accountable even if you are President.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this

Danish,

re: my 3:44.

Nope, he has the right to think as he will, I merely find it appalling that elected officials take such glee in doing stupid stuff (both sides of the isle) and conviently forget why they were elected in the first place.

As for my comments re:Bush’s signing statements. That was posted to support my contention that he regularly takes exception to the laws he signs into place. Nothing more and nothing less.

In the future you may find my blog posts less offensive if you won’t attempt to read between the lines. I’m actually pretty fair at conveying exactly what it is I mean.

A little tidbit about me, I associate myself with no particular political party. I like to sort out the truth for myself. I enjoy sharing my findings with others so they can draw their own conclusions regardless as to if we come to the same conclusions and I like to think of myself as a true patriot of this GREAT NATION.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

First off, let’s see a show of hands that think that was Randy Weaver.

Randy “Dream” Weaver,

Your made up personna’s wife got shot, in part, because he thought his property was his and he could do with it what he wanted. How is my saying that someone can use their blog “cyber property” any different?

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this

That’s the real Randy Weaver? Maybe he could direct us to the specific post that has him so upset. I’m not finding it.

By getalife

January 4, 2007 04:34 PM | Link to this

jimd,

This is me

By jim d

January 4, 2007 04:37 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Would you please address the question of if you were born prior to September 8, 1974?

By jim d

January 4, 2007 04:39 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I’m impressed! are you on his right or left? BTW, I could pass for the one in the middle. LOL

By Amber

January 4, 2007 04:40 PM | Link to this

Filster wrote the following in his 2:04 post - “It strikes me as odd that those who express such outrage at the alleged erosion of their freedoms are undoubtedly those who have never had any such freedoms abridged.”

This comment from Filster demonstrates a significant difference between the perspectives of those on the left side of the political spectrum and those on the right. The left take public policy positions to achieve a good life for all. Those on the right seem only to care about issues if and when they are directly affected by them.

For example, Reagan’s spokesperson, Jim Brady, changed his position on gun control after he was shot. Reagan’s wife became interested embryonic stem cell research after her husband was affected by Alzheimer’s. Orrin Hatch reversed his position on embryonic stem cell research after a loved one became affected with Parkinson’s. Dick Cheney, whose daughter is gay, is relatively liberal on gay-rights issues. Jim Webb, who switched from Republican to Democrat, wants to bring troops in Iraq home immediately — one of which is his son.

I’ve seen examples of this phenomenon among my own family and friends. My Republican father supported unlimited compensation for CEOs until Home Depot’s CEO eroded his stock portfolio while taking home the big paychecks. Now, Dad thinks a law should be passed. My brother was against PeachCare until he was divorced, laid-off and suddenly needed it for his children. Now he’s praying that it’ll be fully funded next year. A “governs best that governs least” friend’s mother was killed when a logging truck had an equipment failure and dropped its load into her car’s path. Now he’s lobbying for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to increase safety regulations. A staunch, “Medicaid is socialism” neighbor, now relies on Medicaid to pay for his wife’s care in a nursing home (after losing his house and life savings).

Again, those on the right must feel a direct impact before they’ll take action. Those on the left have empathy — even for people they’ve never met and are never going to meet — whether they live down the street or on the other side of the world.

If a tree falls in a forest with no one to hear it, then does it make a sound? To the left, the answer is yes. For me, this explains Filster’s confusion.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 04:47 PM | Link to this

RW,

Very good!

jim d,

This is why you and I will never see eye to eye.

It is revisionist history which ignores every Congessional statement, town meeting, letter, vote or mountains of undeniable evidence that Democrats from Clinton on down - in his cabinet and in the halls of Congress - believed and relied on exactly what you are now calling a “lie”.

It is very destructive to this country for you and others to take this position. If you want to argue the War, do it on its merits, but don’t accuse Bush of being a liar for agreeing with the Democrats who preceded him in office.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 04:48 PM | Link to this

I see Butchhag Danish had another pizza with the “wrong” kind of mushrooms on again for lunch on that park bench … clearly Rabid Wanker the doltish unoriginal needs to be much more chivalrous and much less miserly and spring for something more substantial and less demeaning than the pot luck contents of left over individual pizza Pizza Hut boxes discarded in the (so called university of) Kennesaw student eatery.

Perhaps these joyless puff adders, hopelessly and obsessively married to their wholly SELF APPOINTED jobsworth “jobs” of forum thought police scum will actually post proof positive of my alleged, putative “racism and bigotry” … NOTE tw@theads that we are using an adult dicktionary definition here, such as the Oxford or Collins one - not the pictorial afrocentric one that you retarded neanderthals cutely stole from your new DFCS appointed tutor.

Please be advised that your glib, utterly dishonest anally compulsive sloganising on this hilarious topic is enormously entertaining … happily it seems I have effortlessly managed to bypass the obscenely miscroscopic filter that passes for your collective critical factor and anchored onto you pair of putrid dogturds exactly what I intended. Cheers for biting and biting and biting like virulently pesky ultra yappy poodles on a truly bad heat cycle.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this

Danish,

Since opposite polls attract—perhaps we will find that happy median.

By TommyT

January 4, 2007 05:00 PM | Link to this

Looks like Pelosi is still drunk from all the partying:

After calling herself “the most powerful woman in America,” Mrs. Pelosi flexed her right muscle like a weight lifter to much applause at an event yesterday titled a “women’s tea.” “All right, let’s hear it for the power,” she screamed as the jubilant applause continued.

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 05:01 PM | Link to this

jim d,

Grammatical correction to my 4:47 - insert “is” between “on” and “exactly”.

Time for the Tirade,

What’s your freaking point, blowhard? We’ve already highlighted your racist posts to DDR and speaking for myself, I’ve accomplished that particular mission and will not be wasting any more time on it.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 05:04 PM | Link to this

Danish,

Are you saying what I referred to as lies were truth? Further down on that blog yesterday i supported my contentions with facts. If you have anything that disputes those facts, I’d appreciate seeing it. Who knows, you might even convince me I am wrong. That is rather doubtfull, but hey, it could happen.

Now, as to what Clinton knew and believed. Uhm, most setting presidents would contact a previous head of state over issues of national security. If you are saying Bush didn’t, I’d almost have to dispute that. Now whether he listened or not? Well!

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

Moby time,

I have neither the time nor the desire to go back through your slobbering posts, so I’ll change “racist bigot” to “ignorant backwoods troll” and then every one of your posts will speak it’s own proof.

By Kelly

January 4, 2007 05:12 PM | Link to this

I just found a quote from a guy named John Donne that Amber’s insightful 4:40 post reminded me of:

“The death of one diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind.”

By Buy Danish (The one and only)

January 4, 2007 05:20 PM | Link to this

jim d,

I’m really exhausted over this topic, but I’ll give it one last shot with you.

What you are saying is “lies” is exactly what Clinton et al are on the record saying was the truth.

So if you are calling Bush a liar, then every single one of them are liars. Bush basically followed the Clinton doctrine on Saddam Hussein, but added the Bush doctrine on top of it.

That’s a fact, and it is only deniable if you are a 9/11 truther or someone who has no knowledge of history prior to Bush’s Presidency.

I don’t have time right now to dig up the countless links for you, so you’ll have to trust me on this one at this time.

By Politico

January 4, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

Amber at 4:40,

Excellent, excellent post. So true. I copied and e-mailed it to my friends.

By Art

January 4, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

Whether or not the post above was Randy Weaver or not, he was right on target. You chicken littles here that will just turn your civil liberties over to not just George W. Bush but any president for your personal safety against a threat that is vastly overrated by a government that seeks ever more control over the lives of its citizenry are the enemy. You do belong in Cuba where fidel Castro has been using the exact same methods against the Cuban people to control them, scare them, and rob them of any privacy because privacy is a threat to a tyranical government. If you want a police state or a fascist state, go where you fit in. Your are anti-American, aniti-freedom, and most certainly are not patriots. You will just hand over to the government freedoms paid for in blood without question like a bunch of lemmings. Go ahead and follow your pied piper of the cliff. Just don’t handcuff the rest of us and drag us over the precipice against our will. We value our freedom, liberty, and privacy.

By time for the truth

January 4, 2007 05:34 PM | Link to this

HA HA HA HA

so the obsessive LYING morons FINALLY -when factually cornered - concede that that they were hopelessly wrong. NOTHING I wrote on here was racist/bigoted against blacks … I amusingly - with others - joyfully and wittily severely p!ssed off crackpipe sometime ago, merely mirroring back its own bigotry which these two cyber married wankers glibly and conveniently NOW completely forget. Thus these two quarter wit pretend conservatives have the unmitigated gall to parrot/mimic/ape leftist freakshows in their suitably stuttering, waspishly effete antipathy to their English betters.

Indeed so sad are these two noxious twerps that for well over a week now they have continued to hurl empty worthless vapid abuse based on a wholly fallacious, but malicious interpretation of posts that were clearly way above their helium filled thickaspigsh!t heads.

Hopefully our dynamic duo of socially indequate lonely conservative trolls will now finally confine their obtuse, oafish contributions to matters that are not glaringly vastly above them.

Man this is jolly good fun … just sittin’ ‘ere, playing with sum bleedin’ abstruse words - waiting for the oft promised rain to fall.

By jim d

January 4, 2007 05:40 PM | Link to this

Sorry Danish, Can’t do.

By RW-(the original)

January 4, 2007 05:49 PM | Link to this

Moby,

It sure didn’t take you long to prove my theory that each and every one of your posts would prove it’s author to be an ignorant backwoods troll.

You’re dismissed.

Art,

That’s bullsh!t, the “Randy Weaver” post was to me over a post I made saying someone had a right to have whomever they wanted on their own property, albeit cyber property. How the hell is that giving up liberty? Freedom of association is right there in the Constitution, you might want to read it one day.

By JK

January 4, 2007 05:49 PM | Link to this

Amber (4:40) is my new hero! Please come here and post that every single day! Art (5:29) also right on the money! Snaps & woo-hoooos all around. I see I’m not needed now, so good night and good luck!

By Dusty

January 4, 2007 05:55 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth,

Guess I didn’t read close enough here today. I don’t know what you are talking about.

By Harry

January 5, 2007 08:53 AM | Link to this

After reading all the responses, all I can say, can everyone say in unison… Term limitations! As the presidency can’t go on but two terms why not establish something similar for the congress and senate. That surely would stop all the PORK that goes on. And secondly you would get new fresh blood into our government with new ideas and it would stop all pet projects that many get into, not to mention all the under the table deals that go on. Its a shame either a scandle or they are about to die in office before you can see any kind of change in our political process so I say let our public service officials realize there time is limited period. One last comment they get so jaded and so out of touch with the public they were elected to serve because of the pork and shady dealings that go on under the guise of representing the best interests of our country. Think about the show “the apprentice!”, and ask yourself why don’t they let the complete lyric of the song “for the love of money” be sung for all to hear! it really says….its indeed the root of all evil that they conveniently leave out that goes with the problems we see in our government.