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Recapping major events

By | Saturday, December 9, 2006, 01:01 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Jim Wooten was on vacation last week, but still took time to blog on AJC.com about the major news events.

On Iraq: Time will provide the truth of president’s work and goals

The language of the Iraq Study Group report boils down to this: The situation’s bad and could go either way.

The U.S. role should “evolve to one supporting the Iraqi army, which would take over combat operations” and ideally, by the first quarter of 2008, “subject to unexpected developments” all U.S. combat brigades “not necessary for force protection could be out of Iraq.”

OK. That’s in line with what Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq said. “We would expect to see the entire country having reached provincial Iraqi control by early fall of next year,” said the general. “We should see the complete transfer of command and control of all Iraqi army divisions by late spring, early summer.”

The plan all along has been to stabilize the country and transfer security to Iraqi forces that are sufficiently trained and professional to maintain order. Nothing the Iraq Study Group observes or reports alters that fact on the ground.

It’s still up to President Bush — and Congress, through the power of the purse. Bush’s term ends in two years. There is no face-saving exit that leaves behind a government and an army without a reasonable chance of succeeding. All of the approaches the Iraq Study Group suggests can be tried, but when Bush’s term expires, history will judge whether he was true to this country’s commitment.

On Jimmy Carter: Give a closer ear to director who quit the Carter Center

The shocking news from the morning paper is a quote deep in the story announcing that an expert on the Middle East who was the first executive director of the Carter Center, Kenneth Stein, had resigned his position at the center. The quote is this:

“President Carter’s book on the Middle East, a title too inflammatory to even print, is not based on unvarnished analysis; it is replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions and simply invented segments. Aside from the one-sided nature of the book, meant to provoke, there are recollections cited from meetings where I was the third person in the room, and my notes of those meetings show little similarity to points claimed in the book.”

The book, “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid” has angered supporters of Israel for being one-sided and for many of the other reasons Stein claims, including omissions and factual errors. Other experts on the region have reached conclusions similar to Stein’s. While Carter’s not the first to claim that “apartheid” is an appropriate label — Desmond Tutu did too — his position and status will popularize the label.

The book does have such a provocative title, and its content could materially affect public opinion about Israel and the Middle East. Because of that, the allegations Stein makes in resigning his position as a Carter Center fellow for Middle East Affairs bear fuller examination. Stein in particular should be heard more fully because he was the “third person in the room” and because he is a scholar who would be more reliable in recounting details than an active participant inclined to hear selectively.

On the Kathryn Johnston shooting: NAACP involvement OK, but a racial angle is not

The controversy surrounding the police shooting of an elderly woman who fired at them while they were executing a no-knock warrant has been revealing. What strikes me is how anti-authority much of this country has become.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, you expect. It’s his career. But try as I might, it’s impossible for me to follow the rationalization of those who make decisions for the NAACP in taking on the authorities, who as best I can tell have responded quickly and appropriately to questions raised about the tragedy. So far as I can tell, too, there’s no black-white angle that would suggest a role for the NAACP — unless, of course, the angle is opposition to those in positions of authority, whatever its color.

America is passing through a cynical phase, the legacy perhaps of the ’60s-era protesters, who made protests, demonstrations and opposition to authority the high point of their lives.

  • Jim Wooten is the associate editorial page editor. His column usually appears Sundays, Tuesdays and Fridays.

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By getalife

December 9, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

Sen. Smith: “And I for one am at the end of my rope when it cones for supporting a policy that has our soldiers patroling the same streets in the same way being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal.”

Criminal indeed. The beginning of the end to w and cheney.

Impeach.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

The Iraqi Study Group issued another report today, this time about Organized Crime. They’ve concluded that “nobody did nuthin’, and if anybody gots questions maybe they dont feel so good. Now get outta heah.”

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Since these are all repetitions of previous columns, I guess we just need to cut and paste the responses we made at that time?

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

to Markus,

I just read your comments. I guess “Great Wall” Bush’s xenophobia is indeed highly contagious. First Cherokee County, then Blair, and now you.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Jim,

We both know that Bush has no intentions of following the recommendations of the ISG or anyone else, for that matter.

Without doubt, he will continue to approach Bush’s War as a gunslinger out of a spaghetti western might.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Deadgenes-

Read the polls out there in this nation and see what people think about illegal immigration and what they want done about it. I’ll bet you are in an extreme minority, from all political perspectives.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Muslikook planned on bombing a Chicago suburb mall during the Christmas rush. This convert muslofanatic (converted in jail???) who chose the time to maximize death, also said “I just want to smoke a judge.”

We need to have public hangings for animalistic waste such as this. Or, at the very least, have a lottery for those civilians who would like to blow his appendages off before finishing off wih his head. Fox TV live would make a killing, so to speak.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061209/D8LT9S680.html

By getalife

December 9, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Diogenes is right

The elections are ignored, the ISG intervention is ignored, w is trying to save his legacy and to hell with our country.

It is very dangerous to have this lunatic in office.

Impeach w and cheney.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Barak Osama Obama on Oprah-

“Our school system was designed when kids were still going out to harvest crops.”

What the hell is that supposed to mean? We are teaching our kids the same as we were 150 years ago during slavery? Or that we don’t have heat and air conditioning in schools? Or that kids have to walk 1.5 miles in three feet of snow during the winter? Or that we were teaching creationism in school? Or that the school food is as crappy today as it was back then.. oh no, that couldn’t be it, because that was back in the days when parents were responsible for feeding their kids.

What are this man’s congressional credentials to be prez or veep again?

By getalife

December 9, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

macaca spewed this traitorous crap:

“The difference between the Iraqis and our native slackassed losers is that the Iraqis WANT to succeed.”

They are succeeding in killing Americans you pos traitor.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

The Iraqi study group issued another report today, this time on Organized Crime. Their conclusion: “Nobody done nuthin. Any you crums gots questions, maybe you dont feel so good. now get outta heah.”

By getalife

December 9, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Move to Iraq traitor, you are not an American.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

How about the rest of you wingnuts, do you want our money to go to Iraq so they can kill more Americans like the traitor Markus?

By Jackie Anne Watkins

December 9, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

I was wondering why the Palm Beach Post is reporting on Jeff Fisher vs MArk Foley but your website isn’t?

By Jackie Anne Watkins

December 9, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

lets talk about elections

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Speaking of spaghetti westerns, the role of the Atlanta Police in the Kathryn Johnson killing is taking on a semblance to the Keystone Kops, if it weren’t so terrible.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Markus,

I suggest that “Great Wall” Bush’s approach is wrong.

Blair, although afflicted with Bush’s xenophobia, is making more sense than Bush ever has.

And because this a democracy, I encourage your observations.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Spitonlife-

Those are non-Iraqi insurgents for the most part killing our soldiers, you sewage infested neocommunist scab.

Secondly, you need to move to North Korea where everyone is so happy and equal, according to one of your neostalinist pigsg in the mainstream hog liberal media, Diane Sawyer.

I ain’t going anywhere b!tch, and you ain’t shutting me up.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

One more thing spitonlife-

I see you had no comment on why no Katrina evac government teet suckers aren’t back down there helping to rebuild the coast. Naw, I didn’t THINK you wanted to go down that road sister.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Dio-

Then we will agree to disagree. Nothing else is working, not even alleged laws to keep illegals out.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

I speet on Spitonlife!

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Y-y-yeah, Dio Pio, n-n-nothing else is w-w-working, so we agree to d-d-disagree!

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Me and Markus think l-l-liberals are s-s-surrender m-m-monkeys!!

By getalife

December 9, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Sorry macaca,

I will not respond to traitors.

Midori,

Your link does say it all.

I think future psyc classes will include the wingnut mindset.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Me and Markus r the only true p-p-patriots on the whole b-b-board!!

By Markus

December 9, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Good spitonlife, I hope it stays that way. One less anti-traditional-American neostalinist terrorist loving socialist white flag waving limpwristed frog to deal with.

By Midori

December 9, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

hmmmm…….

it appears every blog has it’s resident flamethrowing, feces throwing, rude, ill-mannered, name-calling, fire breathing, spittle launching troglodyte.

Markus, you wear your crown proudly…..

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

m-m-e and m-m-markus adore m-m-midori!

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Yeah, spitonlife, one less white f-f-flag waving limpwristed f-f-frog to d-d-deal with, you Osama lover!!

(got your b-b-back, markus)

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Now hold on just a d-d-doggone minute, m-m-midori. You’re being unfair to me and m-m-markus. We’re just supportin’ the troops is all, and we hate s-s-surrender monkeys, that all we’re s-s-saying.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Midori,

His name is Ned and he is worse than Andy. He is a truck driver who uses many names and spews garbage.

A traitor too.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses.

I say news is the opiate of the masses. People become stupified by news.

There is no news. Nothing ever happens. People make up spin is all.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Marcus,

Your comment, “Nothing else is working, not even alleged laws to keep illegals out.”

Please tell me again why that is so important. When “Great Wall” Bush tells me about it, it sounds like something out of the western where the farmers and the cattlemen are at war over the fences to keep cattle from trampling the farmers’ crops.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

You must admit, however, that Bush gained his theory of diplomacy from watching Clint Eastwood movies where the no name gun fighter walks down the main street shooting the eyes out of everything that moves.

By John D.

December 9, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Where oh where to begin:

Democrat leaders: Pelosi is from the granola state and the most left-wing district in America.

Reid is from an absolutely meaningless state in national elections where their god is money.

Dean the former governor of a state with a smaller budget than Fulton County who must be a Bush supporter based on the prior post relative to insanity.

Kennedy, the toady, fat misogynist who left a young girl to die after he was finished with her.

Kerry, he of the fraudulent military record; who did - no wait he did not, oh yes he did, no that was wrong he did not; until finally he does not remember the question, but (snappy salute) he is reporting for duty.

Murtha - another military fraud that will gladly take the money later when he is certain no one is watching.

Finally Hillary Clinton, she who does not sit home and bake cookies, who is absolutely convinced Bill had nothing to do with the 125 women who claim he raped or abused them, who sent the rats like Lanny Davis out to destroy Monica until the blue dress appeared and who is clever enough to steal $10,000 per month to have the taxpayers pay for her carpet-bagging home in New York. A Socialist at best, but more likely a Communist.

All of them from fringe, or loony, states except Hillary who is from nowhere.

Well, you Liberals certainly want to avoid talking about that bunch so I guess the only option is to undermine the administration as you have been trying to due since January 20, 2001.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Funny thing about Clinton, he has not been accused of adultery since he left office.

I guess he is born again like w.

Nice bashing the our vets there John D.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Jim,

I see that UGA knuckled under and recognized the Christian fraternity, Beta Upsilon Chi, as a student organization. I know you’ll want to do an editorial soon in support of this cowardly behavior. The Christians, it would seem, now have their own versions of the ACLU, The National Alliance Defense Fund and the Christian Legal Society. Someone needs to explain to them once again that in this country we have a fence between government and religion. We have no desire to have a theocracy no matter how hard Bush tries to emulate Pope Urban II.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Dio,

I thought you didn’t like fences.

Now tell me again about your views on Margaret Sanger and Peter Singer.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

This country is a theocracy, but it’s the gospel according to Elvis.

word.

By John D.

December 9, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Dear getalife,

You should adhere to your nom de plume.

I did not bash our “Vets”. You are unlikely to find anyone more supportive of our military and veterans.

When Kerry and Murtha make their service a political soapbox, then they are fair game. The service of both has been publicly brought into question and your sensitivity to the subject will not change that fact.

We have, thankfully, heard very little out of Bill Clinton since he left office. Only recently, once Hillary decided to run for President, has Bill had much to say. Now that he is a former President he probably does not have to commit sex crimes for his satisfaction.

Too bad Jimmy Carter has not recognized his election was a fluke, courtesy of the Tri-Lateral Commission, and continues to ignore his insignificance. Jimmy denies the remaking of history in his latest book, even though his critics have documented the falsehoods. He ignores the plagiarism and stands proudly behind his “work”.

Jimmy is just like Hill and Bill! If you say something long enough and loud enough maybe people will believe.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Breaking: Saddam’s nephew escapes prison.

Saddam next?

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

You know something? John D is RIGHT! Bill Clinton did have an innappropriate relationships with Lewinski, in fact he even admitted it, and while he was distracted, the Al Queda 911 guys came here and started 911. Bill Clinton could only offer this as an excuse: “If Monica had stayed quiet, I’d have gotten out of that mess, yet, on the other hand, if she had a bigger mouth, I wouldn’t have stained her dress…..go figure. I remember Monica, She…had….dumps like truck truck truck, thighs like what what what…..

By getalife

December 9, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

John D.

So, you like to bash vets and ex Presidents.

I am sure you served honorably and have contributed to society as well as Presidents Carter and Clinton.

Do tell, great American John D.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

I speet on Speetonlife!!

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Your grounds for supporting Kenneth Stein over Jimmy Carter just don’t hold up. Carter claims, “The greatest commitment in my life has been trying to bring peace to Israel,” and I think both of us believe that. To the best of my knowledge, Stein has not met with the Heads of State in Palestine and Israel in an effort to bring peace to that part of the world.

You claim that Carter was “hearing selectively.” I might point out that he was the one writing the book. You hear (or read) just as selectively when you prepare to write a column, it’s an affliction called the need to present a clear and coherent point of view in order to “materially affect public opinion” about some topic or another.

You can’t reject scholars on global warming and evolution and accept Stein merely because he is a “scholar,” that’s really hearing selectively.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin

Your observation: “This country is a theocracy, but it’s the gospel according to Elvis.”

I grudgingly admit that you probably have a valid point.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

psst….Dio….If you didn’t notice, Jim didn’t post this so you can end your make believe conversation with him.

So what do you think about the maps that Ambassador Dennis Ross created for his own book showing up in Jimmy Carter’s book with no attribution? I think Jimmah needs to show us this almanac he claims to have used since Ross says the maps he created are private and copyrighted.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Dio,

He didn’t post them today. I didn’t think even you could be that dense.

So when are we going to discuss eugenics?

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

You know what Dio? My last response was a little too short, because when I think about you probably really are that dense, so here’s an example.

Let’s say an author goes on CSPAN’s Booknotes. You can call in and ask them questions or as was the case with Carter’s latest visit you can tell the author what a bigoted anti-semitic failure they are.

Now let’s say C-SPAN decides to rerun that show later. Would you call the number thinking that the author would be available anytime they showed a rerun?

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

RW

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make other than to harass me.

Have at it, sport.

By @@

December 9, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Jim:

Speaking of recaps, I predict that the Democrats will next tread into the field of rushing the training of the Iraqis. They’ll claim there’s some Republican “Ham” over in Iraq that doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Don’t rush training of Iraqi forces -US commander

My question to you regarding the Carter Center resignation, is “Why was it’s mention buried deep within the article?

Were you talking about your own AJC paper?

By John D.

December 9, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

Getalife please!

Jimmy Carter has been one of the better ex-Presidents when he limits his participation to Habitat causes.

You, on the other hand, contribute nothing but attack, attack, attack with no facts. What exactly did Clinton contribute? Years of scandal and little else are his legacy.

What did Carter contribute? He did attempt to broker a peace in the Middle East but in the meantime he left Americans at the hands of hostage takers in Iran for over 400 days. Oh yes, his economic policies produced a prime rate of 22% and nearly sent the country into a death spiral.

Carter and Clinton denigrated the sanctity of the Oval Office with their casual attire and affairs.

You are the classic liberal. You use lots of catch phrases and scare words but little or no substance. You are a member of a group who has done nothing but attack the President since January of 2001. Why do liberals do this? You attack because you have no substance, no plan, no platform and no character.

The Liberals oppose the prosperity Capitalism provides because once there is no dependent class the Democrats have lost their constituency. Socialism and Communism are the only manner in which a Democrat can sustain power. Tax, tax, and tax the voters back into poverty so there will be a class of people looking to government to bail them out.

I have often been warned there is no upside to a discussion with someone who is unintelligent. You have proved their case with your incessant, empty blathering.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

Dio,

Do you understand the concept of a public blog?

I actually tried to let you off the hook a few weeks ago. I pointed out your dishonest debate style and told you that I had no desire to converse with someone that continuously lied about the content of my posts. It was your decision to continue engaging me in conversation.

What is pathetic is what you look like to the outside world when you make blanket statements that you can’t back up and hiding behind the claim that you are having a private conversation with Jim makes you look like a raving lunatic.

There are several people here, myself included, that will happily debate the facts behind your claims with you in an open and honest fashion. Instead of crying and whining, why not try proving your point once in a while?

By Mid-South Philosopher

December 10, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Good Sunday morning, Jim,

There is one other recent event that has horrified “heart possessing” Georgians in the past few days…the unbelievably horrendous story concerning Nateyonna Banks and the TOTAL and COMPLETE FAILURE of the Georgia Department of Family and Children Services to protect her and provide for her best interests.

Let me play “conspiracy theorist” a little this morning.

I would like to know just WHO is behind this and a number of other GROSSLY INEPT operations of this bureaucratic “disgust of humanity!”

Several years ago, then Lt. Governor, Pierre Howard was going to take DEFACS apart and improve it. Suddenly, that effort died on the vine. How come?

During the 2002 election and in the first days of his first term, Governor Sonny Perdue made a lot of his and Miss Mary’s “foster parenting” experience and vowed to make things better for Georgia’s foster kids. What happened?

Just who is behind the scenes insulating the bureaucracy of DEFACS from real reform? Where is the call for “accountability” in the affairs of DEFACS?

Well, we all know the truth.

DEFACS staff are UNDERTRAINED, UNDERPAID, OVERWORKED, and NOT THE SHARPEST KNIVES IN THE DRAWER. It goes downhill from there.

By Political Foreskin

December 10, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

The five stages of war and annihilation are: wave the flag, support the troops, ban the Dixie Chicks, stay the course, and then finally realize you are trapped inside of history itself.

Notice the way the debate has turned: Every which way but loose, any which way you can. Fear is growing, consternation is flowing, despair is in the knowing: we are trapped in Iraq.

Friedman says let Syria and Iran have Iraq. That’s a fine bit of thinking, thomas, but Syria and Iran have allies who wont be able to resist all that oil. Wills is hitting the ridicule long ball without even trying, but he’s floundering on any constructive alternatives. It’s disheartening that he’s out of ideas too. I need George Wills to know more than me.

We can never leave Iraq. Ever. Iraq will cost us trillions, and supress our bright future.

Iraq is evolving independent of our occupation, yet we cant leave. W has created the worst possible foreign policy scenario in human history: an overspun, never won, perpetual state of war.

The world in full flush: democracy as flotsam.

How did we get here? Osama’s target on 911 was the Saudi Royal Family, folks. Start there, and work backwards, and you’ll see what’s dead ahead in Iraq. (dont forget that the kurds are filty swarthy subhuman monkey people).

If there’s one thing I hate, it’s the dirty little kurds.

By Liberal Looney Tunes

December 10, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

I wonder if the libs are going to be working straight through the Christmas Holidays this year?

Or will they suck up and deal with their suffering at the very mention of the name of Jesus Christ, at least for a few weeks anyway, so that they can partake in their very own personal materialistic, capitalist, big business enriching year ending orgy?

Maybe they will glom on to Hanukkah, perhaps, claiming to be Orthodox Jews, following the spiritual guidance of their holy mother Madonna?

If all else fails why not create a Holiday, keeping with the greenie weanie liberal father of the forest, you could honor all of the trees that were ripped from the ground to build your 3 story mansion in Decatur, coal burning megawatt sucking capitalist playground that we seem to not have any problem laying up in, despite all the socialist crap that we babble? We could remember our god of global warming, honoring his name, protecting mommy earth, maybe by turning off the furnace that whole week, hahahaha.

Or maybe we could have a real big festival, celebrating the great lost spirit of all the millions of trees that were wasted printing up and delivering the AJC and all of it’s mindless liberal bullsh-it to it’s sucker readership? Now that would be a huge holiday.

I know, how about if you libs go to China or maybe Iran, since you’re so in awe of their form of government. You could cozy right up with your new anti American heros, give them aid and comfort in person, worship allah on your knees with them, maybe butcher a few Jews or gays to celebrate the holiday festivities Islamic style.

And maybe they will do the whole world a great big huge holiday favor and saw your heads off while they have you, maybe bury you in the ground up to your necks and stone you to death slowly, which would be bad for you but good for the United States of America to have your pus filled, festering disease permanently cut out and disposed of.

Happy Holidays!

Fire hose, anyone?

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Whenever you take a holiday, RW has no idea what to do with all his spare time, so he cranks up the demagoguery. He gets in such a snit from your absence that he attempts to suppress all dissent on your blog.

No more holidays, please Jim, RW gets withdrawal tremors and insults everybody.

By JK

December 10, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Dear Looney Tunes, Christ walked the earth unpretentiously in modest clothing, caring not for the acquisition of wealth, but rather seeking truth from above and sharing it with those He encountered — rich, poor, hardworking, and lazy. He loved with all he had, but that was not enough. He taught others what it means to love, to sacrifice, and to put the needs of those around them before their own. He broke down the illogic of prejudice. He healed the sick without asking if they could afford treatment. He fed the hungry without asking how they’d squandered their last day’s pay. He imparted understanding to the wealthy and educated, as to the poor and illiterate alike: using language they could understand. He made one thing very clear about the rights of humans to judge one another: don’t do it. Bad idea. When it’s your turn, you’ll regret it.

So as one who is labeled a “LIBERAL” (for not putting my flag above my God, I presume) I feel rather strongly that my Lord Jesus Christ does not disapprove. Yes, what I’ve done to the least among us, I’ve done also unto Him. And what YOU have done to the least among us, you’ve done also unto Him.

Blessings to all of you this Holiday Season: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Athiests, Agnostics, Wiccans, Pagans, and the undecided alike! May we learn the lessons He gave us for living together in peace. Praised Be His Name! Amen.

By Redneck Convert

December 10, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Well, me and Jim Earl has been watching the Speed channel and Nascar reruns all this weekend. Jim Earl is past out right now, but he’ll wake up soon. I ain’t going to church today. Ever since the Revrend Jim Bob Buice got put in jail for being caught nekkid with that boy, Sister Dusty has taken over. And I don’t like following no woman.

I got no use for Jimmy Carter and his book. When we put him in the White House, we thought we was electing a good old boy, one of us. Turns out he was just another librul.

But he’s right about Israel. They are just a bunch of Those People. Trouble is, the Arabs is a bunch of Those People too. So I got to hate them both. There has to be some people I consider myself above. I say nuke them all if we want to be real southren men.

Well, got to return to Nascar. I like to see the wrecks and the fights after them. I go back to my beer run Monday, but today I’m just relaxing. I’ll check in during the breaks to watch getalife, JK, Markus, tftt, and the other fellows call each other names. They know how to be real southren me, even if JK is just a girl. Wooten needs to get them all together at a party so they can duke it out. I’d pay to see that.

By getalife

December 10, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

RW and his fellow wingnuts have not climbed down off their high pedestals even though they are wrong about everything, lost the elections and are the silent minority.

They continue to act as though they are intellectually superior to others when in fact they are just plain intellectually dishonest and will never admit they are wrong. I think it is a mental illness.

Here is RW’s blog where they will continue to talk about other bloggers like they know better than them.

As a member of the reality based community, I think they should get real and admit they know nothing and have been wrong about everything.

By Political Foreskin

December 10, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Where are we in Iraq? We are at the “cooler heads will prevail” moment (like in the Cuba Missile Crisis, when Kennedy asked his joint chiefs about the consequences of invading cuba).

The idea that Syria or Iran is motivated to establish order if we let them get involved is saying that when the brink of chaos is reached, then cooler arab and persian heads will prevail.

Cooler persian heads. I love it. We are leaderless, and on a course stayed by chance.

Brief history lesson: The silk road. The silk purse. China to Iran. Pork. Earmarks. Pursue the Purse. Making silk purse out of sow’s ear(marks).

We pull out. China goes in. We are trapped in Iraq forever, fools.

Iraq is our 51st state. We will call it New Alabama.

word

By getalife

December 10, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

This wingnut is hilarious:

Brownback said that the administration should “park” Vice President Cheney in the region, leading the diplomatic effort

Yes, he can tell them all to “GFY”.

cheney as a diplomat is too funny!

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

RW is the last person who would “suppress dissent”. On the contrary, both he and I asked you fair, sensible, and polite questions about subjects YOU broached yesterday in one of your many imaginary conversations with Jim.

Instead of a thoughtful reply, your response was to claim that “Harpies” were “guarding the blog” and accuse us of attacking you in your absence - as if we have some magic device that tracks your comings and goings.

Why bring subjects up in the first place if you are incapable or unwilling to defend your position on the issues?

It seems obvious to me that if anyone is trying to supress debate it is you. Like a pathetic coward, you launch volleys through Jim Wooten and then act shocked when one gets returned in your direction, breaking through your imaginary victim shield.

It is clear that you have no business blogging here. You are incapable of engaging in a discussion without resorting to false accusations, blatant distortions, and whiny, juvenile tactics.

Sir Getalife,

Diogenes is not a fair damsel in distress in need of your chivalrous assistance. RW invited Dio to join in the conversations over at his blog weeks ago.

Dusty is right - Diogenes is an intellectual fake and you look like a fool for taking the coward’s side.

By Markus

December 10, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

George Steppedonanoctopus was boring as usual. Let’s see where we are on this Baker report:

McCain says it’s a recipe for disaster and the only thing worse than a disheartened military is a defeated military.

A republican senator from Oregon couldn’t make up his mind if he was for or against the war in Iraq.

Iraq’s president said it’s “very dangerous” to Iraq’s sovereignty and constitution and can “smell in it the attitude of James Baker.”

One thing not being mentioned in the beloved liberal mainstream media is that Baker’s law firm represents Saudi Arabia.

By Markus

December 10, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Spitonlife’s post on the link to RW’s blog prove what I’ve long known: neostalinist liboRATs can’t STAND the fact that cons are out there blogging. It upsets them. I distresses them. It offends them. They despise the very idea that someone is out there espousing a different viewpoint than them. Their very hatred and vitriol about FoxNews, Rush, Hannity, Ingram, Bennett, Savage, Boortz, et. al. bespeaks volumes about their ideology and “tolerance” of other people’s viewpoints.

By getalife

December 10, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Ned,

The ISG was Daddy’s way of bailing out jr.

The thanks they received from the wingnuts is a disgrace. Very stupid move but par for the course with the wingnuts.

Bipartisanship has been tossed and it is all w’s disaster now. Its like w is saying, impeachment, bring it on and they will.

By Curious Observer

December 10, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Carter is wrong, as usual. If he had his way, a vote accorded to the Palestinians in Israel—who far outnumber the Jews—would result in Israel’s effectively ceasing to exist. Israel’s nuclear arsenal would fall into the hands of a government unfriendly to U.S. interests. And we would be much closer to Armageddon in the Middle East.

It is time to get away from abstract concepts like true democracy in a region that has known nothing but autocracy for 5,000 years. It is folly to consider it for Iraq and for Israel too. The United States needs to look after its own interests, rather than behave like a starry-eyed idealist in a very dangerous world. Carter, I fear, left reality behind many years ago.

By Midori

December 10, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Markus,

are you the guy who also makes up dumb a$$ names like “Bradgelina” and “TomKat”?

By Markus

December 10, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Gotnolife-

Ned the truck driver… I like it! I always wanted to drive a truck in a cartoon.

No, “bipartisanship” is only what your boys want when they GET what they want. When Bush does bipartisanship like handing over airport security, edumacation, and campaign finance reform to the other side, it’s never enough.

There is no doubt there has been some bad mismanagement, but I do not ever seem to recall what Democrats offered their ideas on the matter that could have been done better for say the past 3.5 years or so.

Oh yeah, and where’s Hitllary’s comment on the matter? Why is she so silent?

By Markus

December 10, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Four year old accused by teacher of sexual harrasment by putting his head in her chest. Well, this is yet another reason why our beloved public school system is such a disaster in this nation. This is the entity that the libokooks want all our kids to go to “on equal footing.” Yeah, they can all be traumatized equally under NEA nazis and not learn about our Founding Fathers. Sure. Yeah. Mmm-huh.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5785699

By RW-(the original)

December 10, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

In my sincerest and most respectful manner possible I beseech you to pick a topic you would like to discuss. If my thoughts on said topic are wrong why don’t you take the opportunity to dazzle the blog with the facts that shoot down my argument.

Over the past two days you have broached the subject of eugenics and demonstrated no ability to discuss the issue or even know what the term means, so that probably isn’t the best topic. Since Jim’s editors have offered a recap of past topics I don’t feel that we are constrained by any need to stay with one of them. Surely there is some subject you are well versed enough to discuss.

getalife,

Nice job reelecting William Jefferson! Maybe Pelosi can let him help Mollohan control the FBI’s purse strings and put an end to the investigations into both of their questionable sources of income.

By Markus

December 10, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Midori-

No, I think “Tomkat” is one of the most assinine Hollywood names for two people off all time. But, I’m one of those rare individuals who doesn’t look to Hollywood and Alec “Hotshot radio talk show jock” Baldwin, Babs “the nose knows” Streisand, Mr. “Lemon Twist” DeVito, and the Dixie Traitors to get my information on what’s going on in the world either.

By getalife

December 10, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

RW,

I knew you would find that on Jefferson. Amazing, isn’t it?

He will get prison time and resign anyway.

Pelosi should use him and the gop for setting up ethics reform.

That Foley report was pathetic.

By Markus

December 10, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Louisiana re-elects Mr. Frozen $90,000 man. Well, what is this, strike four now for Pelosi’s “most ethical congress in history” that she’ll oversee?

I suppose so long as you are not a straight white conservative republican, you can get away with anything. Of course, in the case of Gannon and Condi, if you are a member of some minority report and still a Republican, then you are still in the crosshairs too… and have to endure gay and racial epithets to boot.

By getalife

December 10, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

I think that the FBI should investigate ethics charges against our government and not the politicians.

Of course, they would have to tear themselves away from the blog threats reported by you and your friends.

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Getalife (1138)

“I think it is a mental illness.:

As Mike Luckovick so cleverly cartooned a few days ago, they catch the affilition from their spiritual master.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/12/04/facing_reality.html

By Captain Freedom

December 10, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

The world has been wondering —yea, verily, clamoring — for an explanation as to the absence from this robust debate of The Captain. Fear not, stalwart defenders of the True Way and Belief, The Captain has not deserted you. He remains committed to fighting liberal bedwetters and the Islamunistofascists (as if there were any difference between the two), to defeating the terrorists and their enablers through superior wit and command of truthiness.

I know Markus, and TFTT, and RW, you cry out in your fevered sleep: “But why,” you ask the Captain, “why, oh my Captain, have you left us alone to do battle with the evildoers?”

And I admit, it is unfair to deprive my comrades in Christian Freedom of my superior debating skills and commitment. I realize that sending Markus out into a battle of wits is to commit an unarmed man to the slaughter, but I commend him for his persistence in the face of continued failure.

But the question remains: Why? Well here it is…

Since Mr Wooten has decided to give no thought at all before he “writes” and submits his “columns”, the Captain has decided to balance the scales by giving deep, deep thought to the concerns of the day, and then NOT writing and submitting. Only by this can the delicate balance be preserved.

Carry on patriots, especially the True Believer above who cleverly used a discussion of religious holiday as an occasion to call for the mass murder of people who fail to conform to Right Thinking. More patriots like this fellow and our man McVeigh would not have had to stand alone.

Carry on, Patriots. And may all liberals meet the early, painful, petsilent, limb-dismembering death you all so richly deserve. And I suggest that with the most sincere Christian Love known to mortal man.

By Liberal Looney Tunes

December 10, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

“He made one thing very clear about the rights of humans to judge one another: don’t do it. Bad idea. When it’s your turn, you’ll regret it.”

JK: Then why are you judging me?

You reckon that might be my whole point?

By getalife

December 10, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Yes, that look on Barney’s face is a classic.

Do you post at Crooks and Liars?

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

By Markus -December 9, 2006 02:09 PM

Barak Osama Obama on Oprah- “Our school system was designed when kids were still going out to harvest crops.”

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Marcus,

I didn’t see the segment but this “harvesting the crops argument” is one of the big arguments that year round government schooling proponents use.

NAYRE, the group who most actively lobbys for this, is a partisan Democrat group that is affiliated with the “Progressive” Center For American Progresswhich they link to from their website.

In the past they have linked to all sorts of information about irrelevant issues such as how “corrupt” Tom Delay is and that sort of thing, so all pretenses at bi-partisanship are a sham.

Legislatures in places like Texas and Florida have listened to We the People and stopped these intrusions into the lives of families.

I can envision Barak Obama trying to thwart the will of the people and link Federal education dollars with year round schooling calendars, or some such extortionist technique.

Watch out!

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

RW,

What was it Scrooge said in Dickens’ novel?

Bah! Demagoguery!

By Markus

December 10, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Oh Captain My Captain is back! Missed you long time man! What day can we not have on a blog where McVeigh is brought up… or Rush, or Hannity, Halliburton, or big stankin’ oil, or “Feaux News.”

Or where a psuedo-intellect liberal pretends to know more than everyone else who is not a psuedo-intellect liberal.

By getalife

December 10, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

It means that our school system sucks. Barak is honest, so far, and you do not have to read berween the lines with his rhetoric.

He admitted to inhaling and using drugs. His appearence on Leno was very good and he seems honest.

A rare breed in Washington.

By Markus

December 10, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the info BD-

Now that makes more sense. Year round schooling means more money spent in indoctrination camps away from those parents (unfortunate enough to not have the option of private or home schooling) who may question what the neostalinist liberal indoctrination camps are teaching our youth. Swell.

By RW-(the original)

December 10, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Dio,

Please quit stalling and pick a topic.

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

getalife,

No.

I just saw an opportunity to fight back against the conservatives for their suppression of opinion. I’ve read the AJC for many years, and Jim’s a skilled enough essayist to provide a puzzle “unpacking” his thought processes and challenging his “debater’s tricks.” The conservatives squeal like the proverbial stuck pigs when you roast them. It’s such fun!

By getalife

December 10, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

There is another poster with your name at C&L.

It is fun and gets better everyday with the wingnuts showing their true colors and watching their moonbat heads exploding.

Some have cut and ran but some are still in denial. Some think they could never be so wrong and refuse to admit it.

I am here to help them cure that mental illness like I did with their fearless leader “Andy”. He cut and ran.

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Proposition:

The following statement is pure demagoguery.

“The horseass leftists here are nothing but a bunch of neoStalinists who’s God and religion is federal government… .”

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

You haven’t roasted anybody and nobody is supressing opinion except YOU. Sorry to shout, but you appear to be a bit deaf in addition to being daft - WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION.

Here - since you claim to be so good at this debate thing, why not respond to this from yesterday?

YOU POSTED -

By Diogenes -December 9, 2006 10:26 AM

Jim,

Since you did not post new commentary today, I anticipated that the Tony Blair statement that “it was the duty of all immigrants to integrate into British society” would quickly become the topic du jour.

“‘When it comes to our essential values — belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal tratment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage — then that is where we come together, it is what we hold in common.” Blair told invited guests at his Downing Street office.’

David Stringer, today’s AJC, p. A6.

Provocative stuff, that.

I POSTED

By Buy Danish-December 9, 2006 10:52 AM

Diogenes,

After you respond to RW’s question, perhaps you can explain to us what is “provacative” about Tony Blair’s statement. Thanks in advance!

If that question ^^^is too tough for you then maybe you should ask Sir Getalife for help and have him carry you over to Crooks and Liars where you belong.

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Thanks for the information.

Jim’s a worthy opponent; many of these conservations have advanced cases of reality denial (including Jim, which makes some of his essays so much fun to rebut.)

Many of them have delusions about their own intellectual prowess (Jim, on the other hand, is pretty sharp, even if he is a conservative.) Why not? So does their spiritual leader —George “Great Wall” Bush. It’s fun to hear them squeal when dashed with a little cold reality.

By Political Foreskin

December 10, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Let me be the first to tell everyone how much I hate that new football logo robo-character that is a half-robot, half-football charicature that goes through some warm up motions like running in place etc. during the transition scenes from commercials to live action play.

Things like that ruin football for me.

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

getalife,

QED

It used to be such a quiet neighborhood.

By Markus

December 10, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Diogenes said:

“I just saw an opportunity to fight back against the conservatives for their suppression of opinion.”

I want you to tell us all right here and now how your opinion has been suppressed on this blog, assuming you mean this blog. If it means dishing back what you people dish out, that doesn’t count.

That’s the typical liberal moonbat demoncat I know best: their opinion is being suppressed when you counter them. You must take what they say and SHUT UP about it. And if you talk back, you are “suppressing their opinion.”

These people are unbelievable. Just like nazis and the islamofascist terrorists… it’s THEIR way or NO way.

By Political Foreskin

December 10, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Falcons are a superbowl team saddled with a .500 coach. Fire Mora. He couldn’t coach grandmas in wheelchair football.

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Jim’s a worthy opponent;

RW,

AHA!!! Now we now know what Diogenes considers a fair debate -

Her imaginary conversations with Jim Wooten, where he never responds.

By getalife

December 10, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

File this one under duh:

SMITH: “I said it — you can use any adjective you want, George, but I have long believed, in a military context, when you do the same thing over and over again without a clear strategy for victory at the expense of your young people in arms, that is dereliction, that is deeply immoral.”

Can I get an amen?

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Dio,

What do you mean by QED?

Quit and eat dinner?

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Markus,

No, I wasn’t talking about this blog. I was talking about Republican dominance in the State House, both national and locally. I was also making reference to the intrusions of the religious self-righteous into politics — a movement that promises to become American’s own version of a theocracy.

By RW-(the original)

December 10, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Apparently her use of QED means that she thinks everything she says is proven fact so there is no need for discussion. Yesterday she didn’t even know the definition of eugenics and she thinks asking for her opinion is stifling her opinion, so I’ll take her QED with a grain of salt.

Since up is down for Diogenes maybe QED is her way of telling us how insecure she really is in her beliefs or what she thinks she knows.

By Diogenes

December 10, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Part of what makes it so much fun is the harpies Jim has guarding the blog against dissent. I just love it when they squeal and pour forth torrents of demagoguery. As I said, there goes the neighborhood.

By RW-(the original)

December 10, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Your 2:32 to Markus is a bold faced lie. Would you like to try answering him again?

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

I just love it when they squeal and pour forth torrents of demagoguery.

Overused metaphor alert! Diogenes is nothing if not predictable.

I still await her OPINION on an issue that she raised, not to mention an example of “demagoguery” from the “Harpies” (that would be RW and I).

It appears that this is going to be a long day.

By Buy Danish

December 10, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

I just love it when they squeal and pour forth torrents of demagoguery.

Overused metaphor alert! Diogenes is nothing if not predictable.

I still await her OPIN