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Coastal development, marriage and health

Thinking Right’s free-for-all Friday. Pick a topic:

  • Metro Atlanta is one of only four population centers in the country where car-pooling increased between 1990 and 2000, up less than 1 percent, according to the National Academies Transportation Research Board. And why here? Hispanics. That’s not good news for “car pooling.” It’s a warning of future highway congestion. When the poolers get a financial toehold, they buy their own rides.

  • Praise to all involved in the decision that led Paulding County taxpayers to tax themselves to buy a 7,080 acres of green space. There’s more green space in rural Georgia than government can or should buy. But that’s not the case 50 miles out from downtown Atlanta. Taxpayers should buy every plot they can afford.

  • A black Christmas tree is a one-year novelty. Green is forever. It’s a marketing gimmick. By now everybody’s bought all the decorations they need at after-Christmas sales at 50 and 75 percent off.

  • Jekyll Island “is a jewel on the Georgia coast that has just sort of been overlooked for the last 30, 40 years,” says developer E. Wade Shealy Jr., a developer with big plans to correct that oversight. It’s not been overlooked. It’s been intentionally under-developed. If Republicans are looking for a way out the statehouse door, to be seen as turning Georgia’s coast into a playground for the rich and for those on expense accounts is a fast way to be shown the exit.

  • I’ve become less inclined to blame social workers when bad things happen to children, largely because I doubt that any of the rest of us would be any better equipped to make the decisions they’re required to make. But goodness gracious it’s near impossible to imagine why any responsible adult would have allowed children to remain in the household with Shandrell Banks, the woman accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter. Social workers, in this instance, wanted the child taken; supervisors, who’ve resigned, over-ruled. Bring back orphanages. And sterilize women and men who cause children to be born that they then harm, mentally or physically.

  • It’s ironic that the nation is so health conscious — New York City bans trans fats in restaurant cooking — and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds. Their chances of having a healthy life are far slimmer than those of adults dining out. Our priorities are skewed.

  • Yes, home foreclosures are high. The debate to be had is whether it is a good thing that lenders are luring borrowers into debt they can’t afford. Saving a 10 percent down-payment is evidence of the financial discipline necessary. But home ownership is an important element of responsible citizenship and therefore should be encouraged. Accepting high risk to own a home is not always bad. My fear is, however, that buyers will take too much risk and in large enough numbers that some politician will deem it necessary to bail them out with public money.

  • Quote of the week: “It was a fast romance, I guess,” said State Sen. Curt Thompson of the bride he took with a deportation order pending, a fact both the politician and his beautiful young bride denied knowing at the time. But all’s well that ends well. An immigration judge lifted the order.

  • George W. Bush, without U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a weaker president.

  • Emory University’s raising parking fees to force employees to car pool, take transit, or use off-campus park-and-ride lots. Surely it will also raise salaries enough to cover the now-higher cost of their work-related expenses.

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By Mid-South Philosopher

December 8, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

…George W. Bush, without U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a weaker president…

Yes, in the first instance, but in light of the NPR report on the status and strength of the U.S. Army, serious consideration should be given as to whether or not charges should be leveled against Rumsfeld. Our forces are so stretched that if the North Koreans, the Iranians, or the “Mexican” were to attack us, we would have only the tactical nuclear option to oppose them. Of course, the “Mexicans” are taking us without “firing a shot” anyway!

Should the Russian or the Chinese launch an attack, I suspect we would be toast.

And someone said “Georgie” Bush was a “conservative!”

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Al Gore thinks that all christmas trees, (and all carpoolers,) will be black by the year 2050.

By harold

December 8, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

It’s ironic that the nation is so health conscious but so many people still cling to their cars. 45,000 dead Americans per year means nothing. millions seriously injured means nothing. it’s a travesty that the public transportation system provided by our government and paid for by taxes not only kills so many people but also requires those people to sink thousands of their own after tax dollars annually into a vehicle to use on the public transportation system (public roads).

emory has its head correctly on its shoulders. if the workers carpool or take transit they will save a lot of money, fool. if (people realized) cars were too expensive to be practical for daily use, the vast majority of americans would save a LOT of money giving them up.

cars already are too expensive to be practical for daily use. if you describe the benefits of a car and name the price per mile, practically everyone will go “no way, man. i would NEVER buy that” despite having one or more already.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Bush + Gates = Draft.

By Lord Help Us

December 8, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Poli-For,

When the ‘conservative’ echo chamber (Fox, Drudge, Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, et al) get b-itch slapped on the issue of global warming JUST LIKE they just took it up the keister on Iraq…

WHEN this happens…Apologies will be owed to those that championed the issue of Global Warming (just like apologies are owed to those who were scurrilously defamed for speaking out early against our policies in Iraq)

The History books in a couple hundred years will be very kind to people like Al Gore and quite harsh toward those that ridiculed this issue.

You heard it here first…

By Rod

December 8, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

I always thought that Sen. Curt Thompson was pulling a fast one. He happens to be on some committee or something about immigration and he “happened” to meet his wife in December, get married in April, and then “finds out” she’s scheduled to get deported?

Jim, why did you say Alls well that ends well? Are you supporting this flagrant violation? [he’s a Democrat, thought you’d be pushing to do something to him]

I say ship her @ss out of the country (she has abused the system in staying so far) and if it’s a legitimate marriage, he (Curt Thompson) can go with her!

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

It’s ironic that the nation is so health conscious — and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds. Their chances of having a healthy life are far slimmer than those of adults dining out. Our priorities are skewed

unmarried people having children has been happening since the beginning of the beginning. so what? if u r so concerned about unmarrieds having children, then u should support sex education in schools, abortions, and same sex marriages. those 3 things should bring down the unmarrieds w/children birthrate.

Emory University’s raising parking fees to force employees to car pool, take transit, or use off-campus park-and-ride lots. Surely it will also raise salaries enough to cover the now-higher cost of their work-related expenses

It’s called, “Hey academia!, welcome to the REAL world!” there are FEW bosses that raise salaries to cover things like parking, (unless u r a congressman or a senator).

If Republicans are looking for a way out the statehouse door, to be seen as turning Georgia’s coast into a playground for the rich and for those on expense accounts is a fast way to be shown the exit

OMG!! I AGREE WITH YOU!!! I’d better go check my temperature, i could be sick. :)

By JakeB

December 8, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

I’m surprised Jim — wanting government to buy green space? Not wanting Jekyll Island development? An unusually liberal column for you today. Thinking Left, perhaps?

By peter

December 8, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Bush a weaker President ???? Since when was he a strong president ????

Bullying countries is not a sign of strength…….

Some one tell me how he was actually a smart President……PLEASE !!!!

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

I wonder if Wooten would hide if someone heckled his Jekyll Blog.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

December 8, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

You can’t have it both ways Jim,

Stifling growth that could result in economic development smacks of central planning, socialsim, communisim and all those other ‘isims that your lil buddies on this blog love to hand-wring over so much.

Let the developer develop it and let’s see how it goes. Strip malls, putt-putt courses, game-rooms, water parks…and everybody’s favorite…traffic.

Who-Hoo! Development!

By Van

December 8, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

You hae it backwards, because of twenty+ years of sex education, done by the government, we have so many unmarried mothers out there.

It was the “Summer of Love” in the early 70’s that “liberated” women from their morals and removed the stigma of having a fatherless child.

BTW, can you explain how “same sex marriages”…”should bring down the unmarrieds w/children birthrate.” This confuses me. The only offspring from that union would be a lawyer, sorry jbmlaw, had to go for the cheap joke.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

The Iraq Study Group’s recommendations are naive and obsolete. Iraq is in quantum-leap transition as the warring principles adjust their self-defining motivations. They truly are creating their own worlds as they die in it. (Round and round destiny goes; where it stops nobody knows..)

I think Baker calculated to give Bush the opportunity for a draft.

The only move that Bush can get away with now is a draft. There’s nothing to lose politically. If the draft works, then ‘08 will be all redstate. If it doesn’t work, then GOP will be in the same boat they are in now. So what is there to lose?

Draft by June ‘07.

Hey, I like that….All Redstate in ‘08!

Everybody shout it out your windows, “All Redstate in ‘08!…All Redstate in ‘08!…..All Redstate in 08’…”

BTW: a draft can result in the same Iraq that Saddam had created. Everything on simmer. That’s why we can never leave our new state of Iraq.

I dubs naming our 51st state: New Alabama.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

Ah yes, the summer of love. I loved then. and I was loved. And i loved loving and lovers loved loving me. Debbie, was that you in the cow pond at the original woodstock? I met someone and loved them, and that person faked drowning to get away. You sure sound like her as your blogging reads.

Now I’m mad.

By Van

December 8, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

peter,

Your right.

His is so dumb, he convinced Congress to go along with the War on Terror.

So weak, he managed to push through the tax relief bills, lowering the tax burden on everyone that works.

He was so slow witted, he got Resolution 1441 passed in the UN.

He wasn’t smart enough not to get re-elected in 04.

As someone recently said, I do not remember where it was, may have been the vent - Bill Clinton lost his Democrat lead Congress in his 2nd year, it took Bush only 6 years to lose his control of Congress.

Yep, poor old George W. still happily married after all that has gone on. Unlike his predecessor who was not so happily married?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

It was the “Summer of Love” in the early 70’s that “liberated” women from their morals and removed the stigma of having a fatherless child

i think it was society’s changing views that removed the stigma of fatherless children — i know less than nothing about 70s women’s liberation, however i’ll look that up so at least i can understand what you’re talking about.

BTW, can you explain how “same sex marriages”…”should bring down the unmarrieds w/children birthrate

if, for instance, the Cheney girl was actually married to her partner, her child would not be considered an “out-of-wedlock birth”. since they don’t at this time have the freedom of marriage, all offspring from that union or considered “illegitimate”.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Debbie, was that you in the cow pond at the original woodstock? I met someone and loved them, and that person faked drowning to get away. You sure sound like her as your blogging reads.

u r toooo funny!! LMAO! however, that was not me — i would NEVER fake drowning to get away from someone who makes me laugh! (unless he was Newt Gingrich or Dubya — they make me laugh every time they open their mouths).

By Watta Load

December 8, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds

Exactly…births out of wedlock should be illegal…praise to Jim Wooten for implying this…let’s get the government more involved in the personal lives of adult Americans…how conservative. I know I want my taxes used to convince these people to get married up..

Let us also come up with the total cost per child and if a married couple can’t afford said child, that child shall be deemed illegal.

By Camus

December 8, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Van’s typically sloppy way with “facts” leads him to decry the result of the Summer of Love in the early 70s. In truth, the so-called Summer of Love (a creation of Time Magazine’s headline writers to sell more copies) was in 1967. By 1968, the Summer of Love had given way to the Summer of Rage (e.g., the Democratic Natl. Convention in Chicago, assasinations of RFK and MLK, etc.).

Van is wrong about so much, so often. One has to admire that kind of consistency.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

More like DebbieDoNothing Right:

When segments of society consider a first step to manhood as fathering a child WITHOUT marriage then all the sex education and same-sex marriages will do nothing to solve the problem. To casually shrug off the problem as “happening since the beginning of the beginning” is so uninformed as to make me wonder how you were able to form the sentences.

The rate of unmarrieds having children has increased dramatically over the past 20 years or so. Not only are these children at a higher risk of disease but also more likely to also bring children into the world without marriage and the crime rate among this group is very high.

The number of one-parent households is directly responsible for high crime, the high rate of STD’s, school drop-outs and more problems than I can list here. In one segment of the US society over 70% of the children are born out of wedlock and over 50% of the males are, have been, or will be incarcerated.

Nothing good happens when a society’s morals are lost, whether you like it or not DEB.

By Jenn

December 8, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

PF— I thought you wanted to name it “Iraqia”?

By Curious Observer

December 8, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

I just finished addressing Christmas cards to people I know, and almost half of them were to unmarried couples addressed to the effect “John Doe and Mary Roe.”

It occurred to me that we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the abundance of illegitimate children and the abuses of kids we read about. We have given recognition to shacking up as a legitimate activity. Even my 94-year-old mother-in-law lived without benefit of matrimony with two men at different times.

We pretend that it doesn’t matter—that everybody has the freedom to ignore social conventions and institutions. But our de facto recognition of the practice has cheapened marriage, almost making it quaint.

And our legal system has made breaking up a marriage so costly and punitive that now many people think of marriage only as a last resort.

I grew up at a time when having a child out of wedlock was shameful. And if there were fornication and adultery, they were not recognized as respectable or acceptable.

I have liberal leanings in most matters. But we have nobody but ourselves to blame for many of the instances of child abuse we read about. We have devalued marriage and the importance of the family unit. I accept my own responsibility for the problem; in addressing those Christmas cards, I have given social recognition to the root of many of the child abuse problems.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Maybe van was the guy at woodstock who climbed the speaker towers and got conked in the head by the crane… or maybe van was one of the poor sods who took the bogue brown acid, man.

Now if anyone cares, I was the guy who started the naked conga line at the original woodstock, and yes, I’m on the album cover. (I barely fit, if I do say so myself).

Blind Melon Chitlin’ reference anyone?

By peter

December 8, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

VAN……..HA HA HA………HA HA HA…..

War on terror…….Just what is that ?

Tell me where the millions of dollars are going?

Tell me that FEMA under BUSH is doing really well…….tell me he is hard at work repairing New Orleans, and he is building the infra structure of this country.

Tell me our borders are safe, and so are our ports…..HA HA HA……

Tell me VAN how much money you saved this year with Bush’s Tax cuts…….hopefully you make about 1 million a year so they actually help.

My accountant would tell you Bush’s cuts only REALLY work for the MOST wealthy in this country…….

Van did you save about enough to go out to dinner and a movie?

Tell me VAN what has he done for education?????

What has he done about Global warming???? Has he actually said Global warming is real????

You are an older fellow, so I guess global warming is not an issue for you, perhaps you have kids, and they have kids…….so Global warming WILL be an issue for them..

Also your grand kids will be paying the tab for the raping of our treasury, the Iraq WAR, and the most over spending by any President to date.

YES he is really bright…….NOT!

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Dear Van @ 9:01, you clearly have exposure to attorneys, as after such an exposure “cheap” jokes are all one can afford.

Good morning all. Except for a partial potential disagreement on the Jekyll Island argument, Jim nailed my perspective on all today. My last visit to the gorgeous Georgia coast was around 1969. I think Georgia would be well-advised to have “a” Hilton Head, and “a” Myrtle Beach, if our state has sufficient raw natural beauty otherwise. If, on the other hand, Jekyll Island is our only decent beach, and the rest of the coast is as unusable as Louisiana’s coast, I concede to Jim’s argument.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

sounds like wattaload tookaload.

By Eric

December 8, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Development of beautiful land areas like Jekyll Island, and over development, like Charlie Brown’s proposed condo monstrosity in Roswell… well turn Georgia into everything people hate about other parts of the country. These greedy developers are moving right up the list of folks that include the Taliban, Vladimir Putin and Rev Fred Phelps.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Jim,

I’m appalled! I understand that you’re a conservative and that your role in life is to offer a challenging counterview to those with a more moderate point of view. When you start advocating eugenics, however, you’ve gone from conservative to radical, from a shill for Bush to an extremist in the same camp with Adolph Hitler and his advisors. You propose to “… sterilize women and men who cause children to be born that they then harm, mentally or physically.” Harsh sentences are appropriate for those who harm children, but court-ordered eugenics is not acceptable.

There’s an unpleasant irony underpinning your comment and a later one: “… and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds.” President Bush‘s answer for “children casually brought into the world,” of course, is to teach abstinence in our schools, a proposal which you support. Jim, you can’t have it both ways and then advocate a form of eugenics as the ultimate solution. It would cost less to hand out condoms and promote their use in our schools than it does to try to maintain the phony façade that “abstinence” is the best solution, and condoms would be infinitely more effective.

Jim, I’m real curious to see how this plays out in your blog today. I think there will be some, who, like Diogenes, believe that advocating eugenics is unworthy of you and your thought processes. I think there will be others, far too many others, who agree that the approach of the Nazis is acceptable.

By Jenn

December 8, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

People that have children out of wedlock are more eligible for government benefits—foodstamps, medicaid, welfare checks etc… They don’t have to use their “partners” income, because they arn’t married, so it’s not considered “joint property”.

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

I agree with what you said about the failures of society in the family binding unit of marriage.

But don’t stop the Christmas cards. Christmas is for everyone and you are only extending the promise it brings. Nothing wrong with that.

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

I think Van was the guy who could fall in love, establish a relationship, marry the one he loved and live responsibly.

That is not always easy to do. I have my doubts that some of the posters here could EVER do that.

By Blown Hemi

December 8, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Global warming is a cooked up conspiracy by communists, socialists, and left wing libs to reign in the power and money of corporate America and capitalism. The kyoto treaty was a farce aimed solely at taking away from America’s economy. India and Mexico sure weren’t on that list of nations, yet we have much more clean burning vehicles and factories than they do. What gives? Global warming is caused by sun activity. We have only been accurately measuring temperatures since roughly 1865. We have been monitoring sun spot activity a lot longer. Now when you put those two things together in a graph, global warming and sunspot activity, you’ll see an amazing similarity. Here’s something that Mr. Gore and his quack college “scientists” with that stupid hockey stick won’t tell you from all of those government-paid studies -

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/varsun.html

If we can’t even accurately forecast the long term weather on this planet and understand why sea temperatures vary and move around let alone an accurate hurricane year, then there is no way we can possibly believe that the influence of man’s activities long term on earth are anything more than a miniscule factor, if at all.

Best movie scene of all time - Terry Bradshaw and Mel Tellis in Cannonball Run work on a hopped up Monte Carlo and blow the windows out of a fairy Save The Trees meeting run by a bunch of crybaby libs.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Jenn can you please find Debbie and see if you can talk some sense ito her?

Mary Cheney and her “significant other” being married would not make the unborn child legitimate. The father of the child still would not be married to the mother.

A child needs a father and a mother - not a mother and mother or father and father. Even prominent lesbians have stated such.

As far as government participation in sex education goes, there is nothing the government does, beyond our military, that could not be better served by the private sector.

My wife and I live with our children every day and we are best suited to determine at what point in their lives they are ready for sex education and what topics should be discussed. Parents who abdicate this responsibility are much to blame for the sorry state of our country.

While at Yale, George W. Bush had a higher grade point average, in a more challenging curriculum, than John Kerry. The same people sucked in by Clinton’s charisma and ease in front of a camera were probably responsible in 1976 for the Carter plague that has now dogged us for 30 years.

By Right Thinking Conservative

December 8, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

America without George W. Bush, millions of illegal aliens, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a stronger country.

Two gone, 20 million plus 1 remain to go. Well, so we’re off to a slow start. The Comprehensive “Pathway to Repatriation” has to begin somewhere.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Hey Political Foreskin - that was me in the cow pond at woodstock! I was wondering if I would ever hear anything about you! I have to say, you were pretty trashed - no telling what kind of drugs you were using. I have to admit, you were my first male-to-male sex partner and I loved it. I did have long hair and the time and I admit, looked a bit girlish - you seemed to wonder why I asked you to take me from behind.

Anyway, I faked drowning because my @ss was getting sore and needed some time to relax. You were great though.

Thanks, and I’ll always love you!

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Peter,

why don’t you cut out the hysterics and the fireworks? You shot the whole repetitious bunch yesterday.

We all have our opinions of the president who holds an office you could never be qualified to fill.

This president has had as many hard decisions to make as Roosevelt and Truman. Many were good. Some fell short. History will give him high marks.

Too bad you can’t see the difficulties and the achievements of George W. Bush. Your lack of vision is your fault, not the presidents. He will hold a distinguished place in history. You will never be known.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Jim

Your assertion, “George W. Bush, without U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a weaker president” is right on the money, but with those two out of the picture, we are a stronger America.

Gates demonstrated while head of the CIA that he is very capable. Bush 43 must have listened to advice from Bush 41. Now, perhaps, there is the remote possibility that Bush might appoint someone as Ambassador to the UN who has some diplomatic skills.

Bush’s idea of diplomacy is to stalk down the middle of the street, six-guns strapped on, Stetson at a rakish angle, bright star gleaming in the high noon sun.

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Dear Curious @ 9:51, well-written. I mostly agree with your arguments. I would respectfully reserve my view that governments ought not be involved in the “marriage” process – that should be a simple element of contract law, and government’s primary interest should be limited to protection of the fruit of the marriage.

Dear Hemi @ 10:18, your skills in modesty and understatement compare to mine. I would supplement your argument on global warming only with the observation that we are just now re-warming to the levels our world held 500 years ago. Greenland was, at one time, green. LHU @ 8:28 is surely contemplating the same history books that laud the leftists over Amchitka in 1970, the coming Ice Age in 1980, the dangers of Freon (which really arose only from expiration of DuPont’s patent expirations) in the 1990s. Whatever happened to the ozone holes, that mysteriously affect only the southern hemisphere, but are only attributable to northern hemisphere evil?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

More like DebbieDoNothing Right: When segments of society consider a first step to manhood as fathering a child WITHOUT marriage then all the sex education and same-sex marriages will do nothing to solve the problem

Yes it would. Teach them differently and show them the correct way how to be a MAN.

To casually shrug off the problem as “happening since the beginning of the beginning” is so uninformed as to make me wonder how you were able to form the sentences

oh please! u holier than the cows people make me sick!! u act like NOTHING immoral happened until after 1955! u people talk of the good ole days like u were in heaven back in the dark ages. did u also protest rock n roll, pantyhose, and birth control as being makers of immoral behavior in teenagers? jeesh grow up! things CHANGE. sometimes for the good somtimes not so good. but they still CHANGE.

The rate of unmarrieds having children has increased dramatically over the past 20 years or so. Not only are these children at a higher risk of disease but also more likely to also bring children into the world without marriage and the crime rate among this group is very high. The number of one-parent households is directly responsible for high crime, the high rate of STD’s, school drop-outs and more problems than I can list here

show me a credible statistic that states that — not something that Pastor Billie Bob told u from the pulpit.

Nothing good happens when a society’s morals are lost, whether you like it or not DEB

so what do u recommend will bring back society’s “morals”, chastity belts? dude as said before, THINGS CHANGE. a couple of years ago men wore hats and tipped them to ladies on the street, women wore gloves and were stay at home moms, and in the time of the pilgrim’s you were considered a witch if you had an epileptic fit.

By wyattearp

December 8, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Hey blownhemi, go stick your head in a carburetor.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

You offer the classic liberal approach to most problems with “It would cost less…” in this case, much like sex education in schools; you just want the course of least resistance that allows for a continuation of hedonism.

“Throw money or throw less money” - anything but actually becoming proactive and solving the problem. Put on a band aid now and when this grows into something bigger we will raise taxes and solve that problem. The classic liberal do nothing approach when your philosophy is “If it feels good, do it”.

The Liberals would walk away from Iraq and wait until the problem is on their door step and then scream, “Why did you conservatives allow this to happen?” The Muslims (not extreme or fanatical, but all) have been attacking Christians and others for hundreds of years. Columbus found America while looking for a route to avoid the Muslim pirates attacking European tradesmen traveling from the Far East.

Winston Churchill said, and I paraphrase, “You can fight the battle now while winnable or you can wait and fight when the battle cannot be won” - the liberals want to wait.

By Redneck Convert

December 8, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

I had to change a flat tire on my beer truck this a.m., and the next person that talks to me about global warming is going to get a knuckle sandwich. I just hope it’s a librul. I never felt so cold since I axidently got locked in the cooler down at Billy Bob’s by a bunch of wise guys that thought they were being funny.

I can’t figure out why that fellow had to go marry a furriner when he coulda had my girl. She’s only 27 and a little heavy but with a good nature till you get her riled up. Like when you try talking to her about anything. Right now she’s still baby-sitting for the rich people in the gated community, but she would quit that job lickety-split if the guy made enough money.

Forget about Jekykll Island. Panama City is the place for me. You can use the beach all day and never see one of Those People. At Jekyll Those People are all over the place. Why they got to crowd up places like that when they already got all the suntan they can take?

Well, I got to finish the beer run. Me and Jim Earl is going to watch NASCAR reruns on TV this weekend. They cut off my cable, but I figured a way to run a little xtenshun from somebody else’s box. Anyway, I’m still banned from the bowling alley on account of giving that pinhead a little nick on the head, and it’s too cold to play golf up at Countryland.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Mary Cheney and her “significant other” being married would not make the unborn child legitimate.

why not?

A child needs a father and a mother - not a mother and mother or father and father

the child can have a “father figure” that would also work just as well. all those who decry the state of “fatherless children” do any of them sign up for such fine uplifting programs as Big Brothers/Sisters, Mentor Programs, Christian Brothers United? or do they just like to TALK about the ills of the world without doing their part to CHANGE anything? sounds like a conservatron failing.

faith without works is DEAD

By wyattearp

December 8, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Jim,

It’s a sad commentary on how well informed the “man in the street” is in America when you still have those so ignorant of the world around them that they deny global warming.

But I don’t recall reading your opinion on global warming recently.

By peter

December 8, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Hi Dusty…..Yes right……sure what ever you say…..

Now I am off to Florida to see the Falcon’s play…….

By getalife

December 8, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

This president has had as many hard decisions to make as Roosevelt and Truman. Many were good. Some fell short. History will give him high marks. Too bad you can’t see the difficulties and the achievements of George W. Bush. Your lack of vision is your fault, not the presidents. He will hold a distinguished place in history. You will never be known.

Iraq will be his legacy and he will be remembered as the worst President ever. Peroid.

I see Jim did not mention this idiot

Those were not thumbs.

By Renee

December 8, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Hello DebbieDoRight - do you even know what an illegitimate child is? It’s when the child’s biological mother and father are not married. Therefore, two married lesbians still do not have a legitimate child.

DUH

By Blown Hemi

December 8, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Wow there is some ignorance on this board from the left- DebbieDoRight asks, “show me a credible statistic that states that” referring to a statement made that more kids being born out of wedlock over the past 20 years. Now I would assume that to mean unmarrieds having more kids, so let me know DebbieDoRight if you have another interpretation of that. Just two weeks ago a report came out that stated that 37% of all children in this nation were born out of wedlock, the highest ever.

A study done in 1996 during the Blow Job years-

http://www.brook.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb05.htm

Wyatt Earp -

What, nothing to say about that link? Go stick a shot gun up your a$$ and pull the trigger.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

The Muslims (not extreme or fanatical, but all) have been attacking Christians and others for hundreds of years

who did the Iraqi’s attack?

By Aquagirl

December 8, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Add me to the list of those whose jaws dropped when reading Jim’s stance on Jekyll island. Et tu, Jim?

Of course without government welfare, the coastline wouldn’t look like Disneyland. No private company will cover all those beachfront condos, so rich developers can get subsidized insurance from the govenment to cover them. When the inevitable hurricane wipes out his development, E. Wade Shealy Jr. can count on Joe Taxpayer to reimburse him.

That’s Republican welfare for ya.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

JohnD (1041)

I’m not sure what your point is. I was comparing Jim’s advocacy for eugenics to Bush’s theory of sex education. A preferable solution is proper sex education and condoms, which are, as I said, “infinitely more effective.”

I threw in the part about costing less because conservatives at the pork barrel are like white sharks around raw meat, and, as a moderate, I would like to see the cost of government brought under control.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Debbie:

Teaching them to be a man is the role of the FATHER but since you advocate homes without fathers I assume you expect this to become another responsibility of GOVERNMENT. You liberals are such pathetic, have someone other than me, suck off of the successful, ignore the problems you create, BUFFOONS. I apologize for the personal attack but when the shoe fits…

Change does occur. When the change is detrimental then society has a responsibility to recognize the error and move to another direction. This is not a responsibility of government but the American FAMILY can make positive changes.

Why do you have to attack Christianity with your Reverend Billy Bob remarks? Anyone with a brain, the ability to read, and an ability to recognize facts knows the one parent household is an abject failure. Again, you want everyone to prove the obvious.

Your comment on sin is incredibly ignorant. Your position seems to be “bad things happen - so what?” Exactly how lazy are you that you make no effort to correct the wrongs of the world? At least start in your own home or neighborhood.

My position is very clear to anyone with intuitive ability, emphasize the importance of the FAMILY and stop pandering to the “desires” of people who only have their own satisfaction as a life goal.

By the way, when my wife and I were blessed with a child we decided she would be a stay-at-home mom. Not for our benefit but for our daughter’s benefit.

Also, government has no place in the medical decisions of individuals, whether the sterility proposal mentioned here or birth control or abortion.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Wow, this guy admits he blows like a hemi.

PF, I yield the blog.

This guy and ml’s toon on e. coli is your time on the stage.

Have fun.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Wow there is some ignorance on this board from the left- DebbieDoRight asks, “show me a credible statistic that states that” referring to a statement made that more kids being born out of wedlock over the past 20 years

OMG!! honestly can’t u people READ?!? or are all u conservatrons too stupid to read without moving your lips so someone has to read it for you!?!

Below is what was said and responded to: Not only are these children at a higher risk of disease but also more likely to also bring children into the world without marriage and the crime rate among this group is very high. The number of one-parent households is directly responsible for high crime, the high rate of STD’s, school drop-outs and more problems than I can list here

show me a credible statistic that states that — not something that Pastor Billie Bob told u from the pulpit

dang!! can u people COMPREHEND what u read? Twisted Sister Truth take the wool out of your eyes sheep!

By Blown Hemi

December 8, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Wyatt Earp, “It’s a sad commentary on how well informed the “man in the street” is in America when you still have those so ignorant of the world around them that they deny global warming”

I would like you to read my link again here and point out where global warming is denied. The issue is not of global warming - the issue is about what is causing it. I’d much rather trust scientists who don’t have special interests from lib politicians in Washington like Gore than ignorant belly rubbing libs like you who use your emotions to doctor up causes. Thirty years ago Jimmy Carter told us our cars and factories that caused global warming originally were eventually going to cause global cooling. Now we are hearing the reverse again from a backtimed hockey stick viewpoint. Will you people make up your damned minds already? Everything is a man-made causal effect to you nutter libs, isn’t it?

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

JIm,

Wyatt Earp (1050) said it all:

Jim,

“It’s a sad commentary on how well informed the “man in the street” is in America when you still have those so ignorant of the world around them that they deny global warming.

But I don’t recall reading your opinion on global warming recently.”

What is your opinion, Jim? Wyattearp and I want to know.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Debbie:

Pick up a newspaper or watch the news sometime. Under Saddam the Iraqis attacked Kuwait, the Kurds, and the Shiites to name a few, not to mention the rape and torture rooms in his palaces. The US attack was against Saddam not the Iraqi people.

The Saudis, the Iranians, the Syrians, the Iraqis and others have been supporting the terrorism that has spawned attacks against Great Britain, Spain, Russia, and France and on and on.

I hope you are not a registered voter.

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

A child needs a father and a mother - not a mother and mother or father and father. Even prominent lesbians have stated such. Which prominent lesbians, John D?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

  • illegitimate A noun bastard, by-blow, love child, illegitimate child, illegitimate, the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents.

  • illegitimate — of marriages and offspring; not recognized as lawful

  • hmmmm suprisingly does not say anything about the child’s biological mother and father not being married.

    by golly, u conservatrons need to picket webster’s for that slight!!!

    By JK

    December 8, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

    • but since you advocate homes without fathers…*

    Yep. That’s what you warmongers do. Fathers should be teaching their sons to be men, not dying in Iraq for no good g-dd-mn reason. Happy now, warmongers?

    By Diogenes

    December 8, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

    blownhemi (1118)

    There is so much evidence for global warming that you can pick any stripe or polka-dot, practically any nationality, and practically any political persuasion scientist you want, including biologists and botantists who are tracking the northern movement of animals and plants as their environments get warmer. The studies showing that plants are blooming earlier, that birds are mating earlier are readily accessible from around the world. Kilimanjaro is losing its snowpack and glaciers, Greenland is losing its glaciers: there are many studies from all over the world in almost any discipline you want which deals with the natural world.

    By JohnD

    December 8, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

    Sure there is global warming, And 30 -40 years ago there was global cooling.

    The Sun activity is responsible for both. There have been sufficient reports from scientists, who are not affiliated with Al Gore or his opponents, to support the view that these events are cyclical and will eventually turn in the other direction.

    BUT, under the liberals view of the world that “evil man” has created the greenhouse effect. What shallow thinking!

    By DebbieDoRight

    December 8, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

    Debbie:Teaching them to be a man is the role of the FATHER but since you advocate homes without fathers

    WHERE do u see that I advocate that?! can u people READ? SHOW ME where I said that!?

    I assume you expect this to become another responsibility of GOVERNMENT.

    big brothers/sisters, mentors, etc. are PRIVATE organizations that saw a need and filled it. reading is fundamental.

    BUFFOONS. I apologize for the personal attack but when the shoe fits

    i’m just surprised u knew how to spell it.

    Change does occur. When the change is detrimental then society has a responsibility to recognize the error and move to another direction. This is not a responsibility of government but the American FAMILY can make positive changes

    where do u see that i said it was a “responsibility of the government”? i’d just LOVE for u to show me that!

    Why do you have to attack Christianity with your Reverend Billy Bob remarks

    I was attacking so-called CHRISTIANS, u know the ones who are supposed to be so christ-like, but would rather SPIT on a widow, orphan, unemployed, etc., then help them as JESUS told them to. the ones who take a couple of rusty cans out of their pantries once a year and think they’re “helping” the hungry.

    Anyone with a brain

    oh well, that leaves u out.

    Your comment on sin is incredibly ignorant

    what comment on sin? if u are referring to “faith without works is dead” I didn’t say that, James, (as in James 2:26) did. i did however paraphrase the quote. the correct verse says “For as the body without spririt is dead, so faith without works is dead also”.

    Your position seems to be “bad things happen - so what?” Exactly how lazy are you that you make no effort to correct the wrongs of the world? At least start in your own home or neighborhood

    u don’t even KNOW me yet here u are mr. holier than a cow telling me what I do on my free time. REMARKABLE!! i bet u also voted for Bush, proudly, TWICE!!! if that doesn’t smack of idioicy and stupidity……..

    By the way, when my wife and I were blessed with a child we decided she would be a stay-at-home mom. Not for our benefit but for our daughter’s benefit

    so u want a medal?

    By Diogenes

    December 8, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

    Jim,

    Just make sure that the sex-ed classes don’t include eugenics but do include giving out condoms as the students leave the room They are infinitely more effective than “abstinence” training.

    George W. Bush may not have had any sex drive as a teen-ager, but the average teen-age boy would rather ** than eat. Make sure he gets plenty of healthy food and condoms.

    By JohnD

    December 8, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

    Debbie,

    Not only do you apparently avoid newspapers and televised news but you avoid your own written word.

    the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents.

    You state this does not say anything about the biological mother and father not being married. What does the word “unmarried” mean to you?

    By JohnD

    December 8, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

    JK,

    Keep the words in context. The comment had nothing to do with the war but your language speaks volumes about you.

    By Jen

    December 8, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

    The one parent household is an abject failure, huh?

    Tell that to my 47-year-old mother-in-law with a BS in accounting and my 32-year-old PhD-educated husband.

    Don’t generalize. It makes you look dumb to people like us.

    By Aquagirl

    December 8, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

    Well, John D, thanks to you and the Republican wingnuts, we’re assured of marriage being one man and one woman. The spawn of K-Fed and Brittany Spears will be legitimate, while Mary Cheney’s child won’t.

    Anybody want to guess whose kid is most likely to grow up and be a carjacker?

    By getalife

    December 8, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

    JohnD,

    Yes, and when we leave the Saudis, Iranians, and Syrians will fight to protect their sectarian groups in Iraq.

    Taken out the nut in the spider hole will cause many more people to die.

    This is w’s greatest blunder in US history. It is far from over. We are now the bad guys in the world.

    By time for the truth

    December 8, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

    The very best way to address so called global warming is to immediately incinerate every single liberal/leftist/commie and mohammedan fascist on the planet. Whilst this might fleetingly cause a slight temperature rise in some locales the end benefits (globally) would be so overwhelmingly positive that within a week or so - if it even took that long - everybody else would be pondering why such sensible practical commense sense action wasn’t taken before. Eradicating all pinko types would ensure that all unhinged hysterical global whining immediately stopped, at least 75% of yankkkee/hollywood SUV abuse would cease - the senate and house would revert back to GOP control, new oil drilling and oil refineries could actually be planned and built, most of the fascist left media would simply disappear overnight. Iraq and Afghanistan would be peaceful, Israel would be left in peace.

    This joyous list of the benefits to mankind of eradicating all leftists and mohammedan fascists is almost endless.

    If these was an “easy button” to press to instantaneously to do this I’d spend a week or so jumping up and down on it - just to make sure. … huge I loathe leftists smirk

    By Diogenes

    December 8, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

    JohnD,

    I bet you also think that the moon landing was “staged.”

    By Lily Toad

    December 8, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

    Two women can be parents. Two men can be parents. A woman and boy can be parents. A child benefits from two parents but many successful people grew up with only one. Divorce or widowhood does not condemn a child to jail, drugs, whatever, nor does being raised by a single parent. To the blogger who mentioned child abuse as a result of single parenthood, much child abuse happens in the mother-father model.

    By getalife

    December 8, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

    dissatisfaction with President Bush’s handling of Iraq has climbed to an alltime high of 71 percent

    JohnD is part of the minority who is still in denial.

    He can’t believe a President could do this to America.

    Its real JohnD so you should get real.

    By Diogenes

    December 8, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

    JIm,

    Jim,

    Just read an article in today’s AJC (p. A3) claiming that Bush “moved quickly Thursday to distance himself from the central recommendations of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group … .”

    That cowboy is going to destroy all of his support and subject the Republicans to 20 years in the wilderness as penance for his sins

    By getalife

    December 8, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

    Hey lies,

    I thought ICE deported you bloody wanker.

    I see your homeland was nuked on a small scale.

    Make sure you visit that Sushi bar when they do deport you illegal alien.

    By Jenn

    December 8, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    Jen, you are right. Sometimes children are better off without a deadbeat parent in their life, and if the “non deadbeat” parent does their job right, then the kids actually turn out just as good or better. Thats not saying that children don’t deserve to have a mother and a father, because they do.

    By time for the truth

    December 8, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    AT LAST SOME VERY GOOD NEWS …

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/08/061208154024.h6a78c05.html

    By getalife

    December 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

    “Clenis” did Mary cheney.

    By Diogenes

    December 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

    time for the truth (1146)

    Thank you for your insightful contribution.

    By DebbieDoRight

    December 8, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

    Debbie:Pick up a newspaper or watch the news sometime. Under Saddam the Iraqis attacked Kuwait, the Kurds, and the Shiites to name a few, not to mention the rape and torture rooms in his palaces

    my point, JOHN was did he attack AMERICA? (sigh)

    The US attack was against Saddam not the Iraqi people

    then why go in with a full fledged army? why are the Iraqi people suffering, why was the Iraqi infrastructure disabled? the US could’ve taken out Saddam without taking out the entire county, even YOU are not that naive.

    By Lily Toad

    December 8, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

    TFTT, I’m so glad you shared with us your early homosexual experience. Now maybe you can overcome your self-hatred and embrace your sexuality in a healthy positive manner. Best wishes.

    By DebbieDoRight

    December 8, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

    I hope you are not a registered voter

    i am!! and i’m proud to say my one little registered vote helped to change the conservatron tide in November!!! God bless america!!!

    By time for the truth

    December 8, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

    I understand that crackpipe Dennis/Debbie’s parents were married - just not to each other!!

    By DebbieDoRight

    December 8, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

    I hope you are not a registered voter

    i am!! and i’m proud to say my one little registered vote helped to change the conservatron tide in November!!! God bless america!!!

    By Lily Toad

    December 8, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

    TFTT, I’m so glad you shared with us your early homosexual experience. Now maybe you can overcome your self-hatred and embrace your sexuality in a healthy positive manner. Best wishes.

    By time for the truth

    December 8, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

    I see the greaseball maggot brian is still peddling its racist leftist bile …

    THIS IS MY COUNTRY NOW you nasty treasonous marxist TurdBURGLAR - if you don’t like it … p!ss off back to Cuba!!

    Diogenes … the pleasure is undoubtedly all yours!!

    By Jim Wooten

    December 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

    DebbieDoRight is an idiot.

    By timeforthetruth

    December 8, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

    Hey Political Foreskin - did I scare you off with my admission in my 10:27 posting?!?! I haven’t seen you on here since then.

    I still love you big boy!!

    By Diogenes

    December 8, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

    time for the truth (1208)

    Thank you for your scintillating political analysis. Don’t know how Jim could write his commentaries without your input. I suppose you assisted him with his proposal for eugenics this morning?

    By Lily Toad

    December 8, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

    Bush will go down in history as the most hard-headed, stubborn president who can’t admit he made a mistake in Iraq.

    By getalife

    December 8, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

    time for the truth is an illegal immigrant from England.

    He is Blair’s poodle and should crawl back to England with his tail between his limy legs.

    He is not American.

    By DebbieDoRight

    December 8, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

    What does the word “unmarried” mean to you?

    it means not married.

    By Markus

    December 8, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

    So it’s the illegal Mexicans causing our car-pool rates to rise. I must say that as one who has commuted in just about all areas of the metro area, I can categorically state that I am not surprised. GA400, I85, I75, I20, I285… there isn’t a mile that can’t be driven without seeing a vanload of Mexicans going to a job site. I’d be willing to bet the rate of ladders and trash bags flying onto our roads has increased too.

    Too bad we don’t have a military complex like Eglin AFB in the Florida panhandle to buy up precious coastal land for a “test range” and keep greedy transplant developers from ruining the landscape with treeless clusterhome developments like Pulte. But of course liberal demoncats hate the “military industrial complex.”

    A black Christmas tree? Well a lot of nuts in this nation that really believe Jesus was really black, so why not? Happy Kwaanzmas. The last black Jew I ever heard of was Sammy Davis Jr., and he became a convert to Judaism after reading a book on Jewish people while in a hospital.

    Social workers and policies that make no sense? Come on now. Don’t we all know that the beloved government that liberal demoncats love so much is the answer to everything. Spank your child and you can go to jail, no questions asked. If your child falls off a bike and scrapes his butt and your neighbor doesn’t like you (or you have a W sticker on your Volvo and he has a Kerry/Edwards sticker on his flaming pos 1989 Honda Accord beater), said neighbor can call up child welfare services and they can throw your butt in jail… no questions asked. Just think, this behemoth government monstrocity known as social services is just how our healthcare would be run under Hitllary Communistcare… you know, that “free” healthcare for all feel-good libokook policy those fleabags on the left want. And for anyone (that means you ignoranus liberal moonbats) who doesn’t believe that kids born out of wedlock have a statistically less stable future from education to health to incarceration than those born into a stable traditional marriage, I won’t even bother with federal and state statistics links. I can’t help those with their heads in the sand wishing reality was different.

    What irony about New Yawk. Liberals are the first to b!tch about the intrusion of the federal or state government into private lives, yet have to have said intervention to prevent it’s people from being a bunch of fa@sses. Then again, personal responsibility was never an intention of the disease of liberalism.

    Finally, for the global warming neomarxist liberals out there, just about everybody is universal in agreement about it: it is happening. Now whether mankind or nature is causing it is another issue. But I won’t debate a neomarxist libopig on the matter: it’s a part of their religion. I can say I believe that global warming exists, but I don’t believe that mankind is responsible, and they’ll come back with “you are ignorant if you don’t believe global warming exists.” It’s like debating a pig in a different dress expecting different responses… in one ear and out the other.

    By Lily Toad

    December 8, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

    Jim Wooten, please say that wasn’t you at 12:10. Despite our disagreements, I know you wouldn’t call a blogger an idiot, would you?

    By Markus

    December 8, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

    I see our resident nolife libokook schizoid demoncat from hell is up to the usual suspect ways and jacking TFTT’s alias…

    By KelvinD

    December 8, 2006 12:26 PM |