Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

December 8, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

…George W. Bush, without U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a weaker president…

Yes, in the first instance, but in light of the NPR report on the status and strength of the U.S. Army, serious consideration should be given as to whether or not charges should be leveled against Rumsfeld. Our forces are so stretched that if the North Koreans, the Iranians, or the “Mexican” were to attack us, we would have only the tactical nuclear option to oppose them. Of course, the “Mexicans” are taking us without “firing a shot” anyway!

Should the Russian or the Chinese launch an attack, I suspect we would be toast.

And someone said “Georgie” Bush was a “conservative!”

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Al Gore thinks that all christmas trees, (and all carpoolers,) will be black by the year 2050.

By harold

December 8, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

It’s ironic that the nation is so health conscious but so many people still cling to their cars. 45,000 dead Americans per year means nothing. millions seriously injured means nothing. it’s a travesty that the public transportation system provided by our government and paid for by taxes not only kills so many people but also requires those people to sink thousands of their own after tax dollars annually into a vehicle to use on the public transportation system (public roads).

emory has its head correctly on its shoulders. if the workers carpool or take transit they will save a lot of money, fool. if (people realized) cars were too expensive to be practical for daily use, the vast majority of americans would save a LOT of money giving them up.

cars already are too expensive to be practical for daily use. if you describe the benefits of a car and name the price per mile, practically everyone will go “no way, man. i would NEVER buy that” despite having one or more already.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Bush + Gates = Draft.

By Lord Help Us

December 8, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Poli-For,

When the ‘conservative’ echo chamber (Fox, Drudge, Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, et al) get b-itch slapped on the issue of global warming JUST LIKE they just took it up the keister on Iraq…

WHEN this happens…Apologies will be owed to those that championed the issue of Global Warming (just like apologies are owed to those who were scurrilously defamed for speaking out early against our policies in Iraq)

The History books in a couple hundred years will be very kind to people like Al Gore and quite harsh toward those that ridiculed this issue.

You heard it here first…

By Rod

December 8, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

I always thought that Sen. Curt Thompson was pulling a fast one. He happens to be on some committee or something about immigration and he “happened” to meet his wife in December, get married in April, and then “finds out” she’s scheduled to get deported?

Jim, why did you say Alls well that ends well? Are you supporting this flagrant violation? [he’s a Democrat, thought you’d be pushing to do something to him]

I say ship her @ss out of the country (she has abused the system in staying so far) and if it’s a legitimate marriage, he (Curt Thompson) can go with her!

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

It’s ironic that the nation is so health conscious — and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds. Their chances of having a healthy life are far slimmer than those of adults dining out. Our priorities are skewed

unmarried people having children has been happening since the beginning of the beginning. so what? if u r so concerned about unmarrieds having children, then u should support sex education in schools, abortions, and same sex marriages. those 3 things should bring down the unmarrieds w/children birthrate.

Emory University’s raising parking fees to force employees to car pool, take transit, or use off-campus park-and-ride lots. Surely it will also raise salaries enough to cover the now-higher cost of their work-related expenses

It’s called, “Hey academia!, welcome to the REAL world!” there are FEW bosses that raise salaries to cover things like parking, (unless u r a congressman or a senator).

If Republicans are looking for a way out the statehouse door, to be seen as turning Georgia’s coast into a playground for the rich and for those on expense accounts is a fast way to be shown the exit

OMG!! I AGREE WITH YOU!!! I’d better go check my temperature, i could be sick. :)

By JakeB

December 8, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

I’m surprised Jim — wanting government to buy green space? Not wanting Jekyll Island development? An unusually liberal column for you today. Thinking Left, perhaps?

By peter

December 8, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Bush a weaker President ???? Since when was he a strong president ????

Bullying countries is not a sign of strength…….

Some one tell me how he was actually a smart President……PLEASE !!!!

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

I wonder if Wooten would hide if someone heckled his Jekyll Blog.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

December 8, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

You can’t have it both ways Jim,

Stifling growth that could result in economic development smacks of central planning, socialsim, communisim and all those other ‘isims that your lil buddies on this blog love to hand-wring over so much.

Let the developer develop it and let’s see how it goes. Strip malls, putt-putt courses, game-rooms, water parks…and everybody’s favorite…traffic.

Who-Hoo! Development!

By Van

December 8, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

You hae it backwards, because of twenty+ years of sex education, done by the government, we have so many unmarried mothers out there.

It was the “Summer of Love” in the early 70’s that “liberated” women from their morals and removed the stigma of having a fatherless child.

BTW, can you explain how “same sex marriages”…”should bring down the unmarrieds w/children birthrate.” This confuses me. The only offspring from that union would be a lawyer, sorry jbmlaw, had to go for the cheap joke.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

The Iraq Study Group’s recommendations are naive and obsolete. Iraq is in quantum-leap transition as the warring principles adjust their self-defining motivations. They truly are creating their own worlds as they die in it. (Round and round destiny goes; where it stops nobody knows..)

I think Baker calculated to give Bush the opportunity for a draft.

The only move that Bush can get away with now is a draft. There’s nothing to lose politically. If the draft works, then ‘08 will be all redstate. If it doesn’t work, then GOP will be in the same boat they are in now. So what is there to lose?

Draft by June ‘07.

Hey, I like that….All Redstate in ‘08!

Everybody shout it out your windows, “All Redstate in ‘08!…All Redstate in ‘08!…..All Redstate in 08’…”

BTW: a draft can result in the same Iraq that Saddam had created. Everything on simmer. That’s why we can never leave our new state of Iraq.

I dubs naming our 51st state: New Alabama.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

Ah yes, the summer of love. I loved then. and I was loved. And i loved loving and lovers loved loving me. Debbie, was that you in the cow pond at the original woodstock? I met someone and loved them, and that person faked drowning to get away. You sure sound like her as your blogging reads.

Now I’m mad.

By Van

December 8, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

peter,

Your right.

His is so dumb, he convinced Congress to go along with the War on Terror.

So weak, he managed to push through the tax relief bills, lowering the tax burden on everyone that works.

He was so slow witted, he got Resolution 1441 passed in the UN.

He wasn’t smart enough not to get re-elected in 04.

As someone recently said, I do not remember where it was, may have been the vent - Bill Clinton lost his Democrat lead Congress in his 2nd year, it took Bush only 6 years to lose his control of Congress.

Yep, poor old George W. still happily married after all that has gone on. Unlike his predecessor who was not so happily married?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

It was the “Summer of Love” in the early 70’s that “liberated” women from their morals and removed the stigma of having a fatherless child

i think it was society’s changing views that removed the stigma of fatherless children — i know less than nothing about 70s women’s liberation, however i’ll look that up so at least i can understand what you’re talking about.

BTW, can you explain how “same sex marriages”…”should bring down the unmarrieds w/children birthrate

if, for instance, the Cheney girl was actually married to her partner, her child would not be considered an “out-of-wedlock birth”. since they don’t at this time have the freedom of marriage, all offspring from that union or considered “illegitimate”.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Debbie, was that you in the cow pond at the original woodstock? I met someone and loved them, and that person faked drowning to get away. You sure sound like her as your blogging reads.

u r toooo funny!! LMAO! however, that was not me — i would NEVER fake drowning to get away from someone who makes me laugh! (unless he was Newt Gingrich or Dubya — they make me laugh every time they open their mouths).

By Watta Load

December 8, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds

Exactly…births out of wedlock should be illegal…praise to Jim Wooten for implying this…let’s get the government more involved in the personal lives of adult Americans…how conservative. I know I want my taxes used to convince these people to get married up..

Let us also come up with the total cost per child and if a married couple can’t afford said child, that child shall be deemed illegal.

By Camus

December 8, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Van’s typically sloppy way with “facts” leads him to decry the result of the Summer of Love in the early 70s. In truth, the so-called Summer of Love (a creation of Time Magazine’s headline writers to sell more copies) was in 1967. By 1968, the Summer of Love had given way to the Summer of Rage (e.g., the Democratic Natl. Convention in Chicago, assasinations of RFK and MLK, etc.).

Van is wrong about so much, so often. One has to admire that kind of consistency.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

More like DebbieDoNothing Right:

When segments of society consider a first step to manhood as fathering a child WITHOUT marriage then all the sex education and same-sex marriages will do nothing to solve the problem. To casually shrug off the problem as “happening since the beginning of the beginning” is so uninformed as to make me wonder how you were able to form the sentences.

The rate of unmarrieds having children has increased dramatically over the past 20 years or so. Not only are these children at a higher risk of disease but also more likely to also bring children into the world without marriage and the crime rate among this group is very high.

The number of one-parent households is directly responsible for high crime, the high rate of STD’s, school drop-outs and more problems than I can list here. In one segment of the US society over 70% of the children are born out of wedlock and over 50% of the males are, have been, or will be incarcerated.

Nothing good happens when a society’s morals are lost, whether you like it or not DEB.

By Jenn

December 8, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

PF— I thought you wanted to name it “Iraqia”?

By Curious Observer

December 8, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

I just finished addressing Christmas cards to people I know, and almost half of them were to unmarried couples addressed to the effect “John Doe and Mary Roe.”

It occurred to me that we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the abundance of illegitimate children and the abuses of kids we read about. We have given recognition to shacking up as a legitimate activity. Even my 94-year-old mother-in-law lived without benefit of matrimony with two men at different times.

We pretend that it doesn’t matter—that everybody has the freedom to ignore social conventions and institutions. But our de facto recognition of the practice has cheapened marriage, almost making it quaint.

And our legal system has made breaking up a marriage so costly and punitive that now many people think of marriage only as a last resort.

I grew up at a time when having a child out of wedlock was shameful. And if there were fornication and adultery, they were not recognized as respectable or acceptable.

I have liberal leanings in most matters. But we have nobody but ourselves to blame for many of the instances of child abuse we read about. We have devalued marriage and the importance of the family unit. I accept my own responsibility for the problem; in addressing those Christmas cards, I have given social recognition to the root of many of the child abuse problems.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Maybe van was the guy at woodstock who climbed the speaker towers and got conked in the head by the crane… or maybe van was one of the poor sods who took the bogue brown acid, man.

Now if anyone cares, I was the guy who started the naked conga line at the original woodstock, and yes, I’m on the album cover. (I barely fit, if I do say so myself).

Blind Melon Chitlin’ reference anyone?

By peter

December 8, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

VAN……..HA HA HA………HA HA HA…..

War on terror…….Just what is that ?

Tell me where the millions of dollars are going?

Tell me that FEMA under BUSH is doing really well…….tell me he is hard at work repairing New Orleans, and he is building the infra structure of this country.

Tell me our borders are safe, and so are our ports…..HA HA HA……

Tell me VAN how much money you saved this year with Bush’s Tax cuts…….hopefully you make about 1 million a year so they actually help.

My accountant would tell you Bush’s cuts only REALLY work for the MOST wealthy in this country…….

Van did you save about enough to go out to dinner and a movie?

Tell me VAN what has he done for education?????

What has he done about Global warming???? Has he actually said Global warming is real????

You are an older fellow, so I guess global warming is not an issue for you, perhaps you have kids, and they have kids…….so Global warming WILL be an issue for them..

Also your grand kids will be paying the tab for the raping of our treasury, the Iraq WAR, and the most over spending by any President to date.

YES he is really bright…….NOT!

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Dear Van @ 9:01, you clearly have exposure to attorneys, as after such an exposure “cheap” jokes are all one can afford.

Good morning all. Except for a partial potential disagreement on the Jekyll Island argument, Jim nailed my perspective on all today. My last visit to the gorgeous Georgia coast was around 1969. I think Georgia would be well-advised to have “a” Hilton Head, and “a” Myrtle Beach, if our state has sufficient raw natural beauty otherwise. If, on the other hand, Jekyll Island is our only decent beach, and the rest of the coast is as unusable as Louisiana’s coast, I concede to Jim’s argument.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

sounds like wattaload tookaload.

By Eric

December 8, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Development of beautiful land areas like Jekyll Island, and over development, like Charlie Brown’s proposed condo monstrosity in Roswell… well turn Georgia into everything people hate about other parts of the country. These greedy developers are moving right up the list of folks that include the Taliban, Vladimir Putin and Rev Fred Phelps.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Jim,

I’m appalled! I understand that you’re a conservative and that your role in life is to offer a challenging counterview to those with a more moderate point of view. When you start advocating eugenics, however, you’ve gone from conservative to radical, from a shill for Bush to an extremist in the same camp with Adolph Hitler and his advisors. You propose to “… sterilize women and men who cause children to be born that they then harm, mentally or physically.” Harsh sentences are appropriate for those who harm children, but court-ordered eugenics is not acceptable.

There’s an unpleasant irony underpinning your comment and a later one: “… and yet so little attention is directed to the crisis affecting children casually brought into the world by unmarrieds.” President Bush‘s answer for “children casually brought into the world,” of course, is to teach abstinence in our schools, a proposal which you support. Jim, you can’t have it both ways and then advocate a form of eugenics as the ultimate solution. It would cost less to hand out condoms and promote their use in our schools than it does to try to maintain the phony façade that “abstinence” is the best solution, and condoms would be infinitely more effective.

Jim, I’m real curious to see how this plays out in your blog today. I think there will be some, who, like Diogenes, believe that advocating eugenics is unworthy of you and your thought processes. I think there will be others, far too many others, who agree that the approach of the Nazis is acceptable.

By Jenn

December 8, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

People that have children out of wedlock are more eligible for government benefits—foodstamps, medicaid, welfare checks etc… They don’t have to use their “partners” income, because they arn’t married, so it’s not considered “joint property”.

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

I agree with what you said about the failures of society in the family binding unit of marriage.

But don’t stop the Christmas cards. Christmas is for everyone and you are only extending the promise it brings. Nothing wrong with that.

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

I think Van was the guy who could fall in love, establish a relationship, marry the one he loved and live responsibly.

That is not always easy to do. I have my doubts that some of the posters here could EVER do that.

By Blown Hemi

December 8, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Global warming is a cooked up conspiracy by communists, socialists, and left wing libs to reign in the power and money of corporate America and capitalism. The kyoto treaty was a farce aimed solely at taking away from America’s economy. India and Mexico sure weren’t on that list of nations, yet we have much more clean burning vehicles and factories than they do. What gives? Global warming is caused by sun activity. We have only been accurately measuring temperatures since roughly 1865. We have been monitoring sun spot activity a lot longer. Now when you put those two things together in a graph, global warming and sunspot activity, you’ll see an amazing similarity. Here’s something that Mr. Gore and his quack college “scientists” with that stupid hockey stick won’t tell you from all of those government-paid studies -

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/varsun.html

If we can’t even accurately forecast the long term weather on this planet and understand why sea temperatures vary and move around let alone an accurate hurricane year, then there is no way we can possibly believe that the influence of man’s activities long term on earth are anything more than a miniscule factor, if at all.

Best movie scene of all time - Terry Bradshaw and Mel Tellis in Cannonball Run work on a hopped up Monte Carlo and blow the windows out of a fairy Save The Trees meeting run by a bunch of crybaby libs.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Jenn can you please find Debbie and see if you can talk some sense ito her?

Mary Cheney and her “significant other” being married would not make the unborn child legitimate. The father of the child still would not be married to the mother.

A child needs a father and a mother - not a mother and mother or father and father. Even prominent lesbians have stated such.

As far as government participation in sex education goes, there is nothing the government does, beyond our military, that could not be better served by the private sector.

My wife and I live with our children every day and we are best suited to determine at what point in their lives they are ready for sex education and what topics should be discussed. Parents who abdicate this responsibility are much to blame for the sorry state of our country.

While at Yale, George W. Bush had a higher grade point average, in a more challenging curriculum, than John Kerry. The same people sucked in by Clinton’s charisma and ease in front of a camera were probably responsible in 1976 for the Carter plague that has now dogged us for 30 years.

By Right Thinking Conservative

December 8, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

America without George W. Bush, millions of illegal aliens, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a stronger country.

Two gone, 20 million plus 1 remain to go. Well, so we’re off to a slow start. The Comprehensive “Pathway to Repatriation” has to begin somewhere.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Hey Political Foreskin - that was me in the cow pond at woodstock! I was wondering if I would ever hear anything about you! I have to say, you were pretty trashed - no telling what kind of drugs you were using. I have to admit, you were my first male-to-male sex partner and I loved it. I did have long hair and the time and I admit, looked a bit girlish - you seemed to wonder why I asked you to take me from behind.

Anyway, I faked drowning because my @ss was getting sore and needed some time to relax. You were great though.

Thanks, and I’ll always love you!

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Peter,

why don’t you cut out the hysterics and the fireworks? You shot the whole repetitious bunch yesterday.

We all have our opinions of the president who holds an office you could never be qualified to fill.

This president has had as many hard decisions to make as Roosevelt and Truman. Many were good. Some fell short. History will give him high marks.

Too bad you can’t see the difficulties and the achievements of George W. Bush. Your lack of vision is your fault, not the presidents. He will hold a distinguished place in history. You will never be known.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Jim

Your assertion, “George W. Bush, without U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is a weaker president” is right on the money, but with those two out of the picture, we are a stronger America.

Gates demonstrated while head of the CIA that he is very capable. Bush 43 must have listened to advice from Bush 41. Now, perhaps, there is the remote possibility that Bush might appoint someone as Ambassador to the UN who has some diplomatic skills.

Bush’s idea of diplomacy is to stalk down the middle of the street, six-guns strapped on, Stetson at a rakish angle, bright star gleaming in the high noon sun.

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Dear Curious @ 9:51, well-written. I mostly agree with your arguments. I would respectfully reserve my view that governments ought not be involved in the “marriage” process – that should be a simple element of contract law, and government’s primary interest should be limited to protection of the fruit of the marriage.

Dear Hemi @ 10:18, your skills in modesty and understatement compare to mine. I would supplement your argument on global warming only with the observation that we are just now re-warming to the levels our world held 500 years ago. Greenland was, at one time, green. LHU @ 8:28 is surely contemplating the same history books that laud the leftists over Amchitka in 1970, the coming Ice Age in 1980, the dangers of Freon (which really arose only from expiration of DuPont’s patent expirations) in the 1990s. Whatever happened to the ozone holes, that mysteriously affect only the southern hemisphere, but are only attributable to northern hemisphere evil?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

More like DebbieDoNothing Right: When segments of society consider a first step to manhood as fathering a child WITHOUT marriage then all the sex education and same-sex marriages will do nothing to solve the problem

Yes it would. Teach them differently and show them the correct way how to be a MAN.

To casually shrug off the problem as “happening since the beginning of the beginning” is so uninformed as to make me wonder how you were able to form the sentences

oh please! u holier than the cows people make me sick!! u act like NOTHING immoral happened until after 1955! u people talk of the good ole days like u were in heaven back in the dark ages. did u also protest rock n roll, pantyhose, and birth control as being makers of immoral behavior in teenagers? jeesh grow up! things CHANGE. sometimes for the good somtimes not so good. but they still CHANGE.

The rate of unmarrieds having children has increased dramatically over the past 20 years or so. Not only are these children at a higher risk of disease but also more likely to also bring children into the world without marriage and the crime rate among this group is very high. The number of one-parent households is directly responsible for high crime, the high rate of STD’s, school drop-outs and more problems than I can list here

show me a credible statistic that states that — not something that Pastor Billie Bob told u from the pulpit.

Nothing good happens when a society’s morals are lost, whether you like it or not DEB

so what do u recommend will bring back society’s “morals”, chastity belts? dude as said before, THINGS CHANGE. a couple of years ago men wore hats and tipped them to ladies on the street, women wore gloves and were stay at home moms, and in the time of the pilgrim’s you were considered a witch if you had an epileptic fit.

By wyattearp

December 8, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Hey blownhemi, go stick your head in a carburetor.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

You offer the classic liberal approach to most problems with “It would cost less…” in this case, much like sex education in schools; you just want the course of least resistance that allows for a continuation of hedonism.

“Throw money or throw less money” - anything but actually becoming proactive and solving the problem. Put on a band aid now and when this grows into something bigger we will raise taxes and solve that problem. The classic liberal do nothing approach when your philosophy is “If it feels good, do it”.

The Liberals would walk away from Iraq and wait until the problem is on their door step and then scream, “Why did you conservatives allow this to happen?” The Muslims (not extreme or fanatical, but all) have been attacking Christians and others for hundreds of years. Columbus found America while looking for a route to avoid the Muslim pirates attacking European tradesmen traveling from the Far East.

Winston Churchill said, and I paraphrase, “You can fight the battle now while winnable or you can wait and fight when the battle cannot be won” - the liberals want to wait.

By Redneck Convert

December 8, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

I had to change a flat tire on my beer truck this a.m., and the next person that talks to me about global warming is going to get a knuckle sandwich. I just hope it’s a librul. I never felt so cold since I axidently got locked in the cooler down at Billy Bob’s by a bunch of wise guys that thought they were being funny.

I can’t figure out why that fellow had to go marry a furriner when he coulda had my girl. She’s only 27 and a little heavy but with a good nature till you get her riled up. Like when you try talking to her about anything. Right now she’s still baby-sitting for the rich people in the gated community, but she would quit that job lickety-split if the guy made enough money.

Forget about Jekykll Island. Panama City is the place for me. You can use the beach all day and never see one of Those People. At Jekyll Those People are all over the place. Why they got to crowd up places like that when they already got all the suntan they can take?

Well, I got to finish the beer run. Me and Jim Earl is going to watch NASCAR reruns on TV this weekend. They cut off my cable, but I figured a way to run a little xtenshun from somebody else’s box. Anyway, I’m still banned from the bowling alley on account of giving that pinhead a little nick on the head, and it’s too cold to play golf up at Countryland.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Mary Cheney and her “significant other” being married would not make the unborn child legitimate.

why not?

A child needs a father and a mother - not a mother and mother or father and father

the child can have a “father figure” that would also work just as well. all those who decry the state of “fatherless children” do any of them sign up for such fine uplifting programs as Big Brothers/Sisters, Mentor Programs, Christian Brothers United? or do they just like to TALK about the ills of the world without doing their part to CHANGE anything? sounds like a conservatron failing.

faith without works is DEAD

By wyattearp

December 8, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Jim,

It’s a sad commentary on how well informed the “man in the street” is in America when you still have those so ignorant of the world around them that they deny global warming.

But I don’t recall reading your opinion on global warming recently.

By peter

December 8, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Hi Dusty…..Yes right……sure what ever you say…..

Now I am off to Florida to see the Falcon’s play…….

By getalife

December 8, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

This president has had as many hard decisions to make as Roosevelt and Truman. Many were good. Some fell short. History will give him high marks. Too bad you can’t see the difficulties and the achievements of George W. Bush. Your lack of vision is your fault, not the presidents. He will hold a distinguished place in history. You will never be known.

Iraq will be his legacy and he will be remembered as the worst President ever. Peroid.

I see Jim did not mention this idiot

Those were not thumbs.

By Renee

December 8, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Hello DebbieDoRight - do you even know what an illegitimate child is? It’s when the child’s biological mother and father are not married. Therefore, two married lesbians still do not have a legitimate child.

DUH

By Blown Hemi

December 8, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Wow there is some ignorance on this board from the left- DebbieDoRight asks, “show me a credible statistic that states that” referring to a statement made that more kids being born out of wedlock over the past 20 years. Now I would assume that to mean unmarrieds having more kids, so let me know DebbieDoRight if you have another interpretation of that. Just two weeks ago a report came out that stated that 37% of all children in this nation were born out of wedlock, the highest ever.

A study done in 1996 during the Blow Job years-

http://www.brook.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb05.htm

Wyatt Earp -

What, nothing to say about that link? Go stick a shot gun up your a$$ and pull the trigger.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

The Muslims (not extreme or fanatical, but all) have been attacking Christians and others for hundreds of years

who did the Iraqi’s attack?

By Aquagirl

December 8, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Add me to the list of those whose jaws dropped when reading Jim’s stance on Jekyll island. Et tu, Jim?

Of course without government welfare, the coastline wouldn’t look like Disneyland. No private company will cover all those beachfront condos, so rich developers can get subsidized insurance from the govenment to cover them. When the inevitable hurricane wipes out his development, E. Wade Shealy Jr. can count on Joe Taxpayer to reimburse him.

That’s Republican welfare for ya.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

JohnD (1041)

I’m not sure what your point is. I was comparing Jim’s advocacy for eugenics to Bush’s theory of sex education. A preferable solution is proper sex education and condoms, which are, as I said, “infinitely more effective.”

I threw in the part about costing less because conservatives at the pork barrel are like white sharks around raw meat, and, as a moderate, I would like to see the cost of government brought under control.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Debbie:

Teaching them to be a man is the role of the FATHER but since you advocate homes without fathers I assume you expect this to become another responsibility of GOVERNMENT. You liberals are such pathetic, have someone other than me, suck off of the successful, ignore the problems you create, BUFFOONS. I apologize for the personal attack but when the shoe fits…

Change does occur. When the change is detrimental then society has a responsibility to recognize the error and move to another direction. This is not a responsibility of government but the American FAMILY can make positive changes.

Why do you have to attack Christianity with your Reverend Billy Bob remarks? Anyone with a brain, the ability to read, and an ability to recognize facts knows the one parent household is an abject failure. Again, you want everyone to prove the obvious.

Your comment on sin is incredibly ignorant. Your position seems to be “bad things happen - so what?” Exactly how lazy are you that you make no effort to correct the wrongs of the world? At least start in your own home or neighborhood.

My position is very clear to anyone with intuitive ability, emphasize the importance of the FAMILY and stop pandering to the “desires” of people who only have their own satisfaction as a life goal.

By the way, when my wife and I were blessed with a child we decided she would be a stay-at-home mom. Not for our benefit but for our daughter’s benefit.

Also, government has no place in the medical decisions of individuals, whether the sterility proposal mentioned here or birth control or abortion.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Wow, this guy admits he blows like a hemi.

PF, I yield the blog.

This guy and ml’s toon on e. coli is your time on the stage.

Have fun.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Wow there is some ignorance on this board from the left- DebbieDoRight asks, “show me a credible statistic that states that” referring to a statement made that more kids being born out of wedlock over the past 20 years

OMG!! honestly can’t u people READ?!? or are all u conservatrons too stupid to read without moving your lips so someone has to read it for you!?!

Below is what was said and responded to: Not only are these children at a higher risk of disease but also more likely to also bring children into the world without marriage and the crime rate among this group is very high. The number of one-parent households is directly responsible for high crime, the high rate of STD’s, school drop-outs and more problems than I can list here

show me a credible statistic that states that — not something that Pastor Billie Bob told u from the pulpit

dang!! can u people COMPREHEND what u read? Twisted Sister Truth take the wool out of your eyes sheep!

By Blown Hemi

December 8, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Wyatt Earp, “It’s a sad commentary on how well informed the “man in the street” is in America when you still have those so ignorant of the world around them that they deny global warming”

I would like you to read my link again here and point out where global warming is denied. The issue is not of global warming - the issue is about what is causing it. I’d much rather trust scientists who don’t have special interests from lib politicians in Washington like Gore than ignorant belly rubbing libs like you who use your emotions to doctor up causes. Thirty years ago Jimmy Carter told us our cars and factories that caused global warming originally were eventually going to cause global cooling. Now we are hearing the reverse again from a backtimed hockey stick viewpoint. Will you people make up your damned minds already? Everything is a man-made causal effect to you nutter libs, isn’t it?

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

JIm,

Wyatt Earp (1050) said it all:

Jim,

“It’s a sad commentary on how well informed the “man in the street” is in America when you still have those so ignorant of the world around them that they deny global warming.

But I don’t recall reading your opinion on global warming recently.”

What is your opinion, Jim? Wyattearp and I want to know.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Debbie:

Pick up a newspaper or watch the news sometime. Under Saddam the Iraqis attacked Kuwait, the Kurds, and the Shiites to name a few, not to mention the rape and torture rooms in his palaces. The US attack was against Saddam not the Iraqi people.

The Saudis, the Iranians, the Syrians, the Iraqis and others have been supporting the terrorism that has spawned attacks against Great Britain, Spain, Russia, and France and on and on.

I hope you are not a registered voter.

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

A child needs a father and a mother - not a mother and mother or father and father. Even prominent lesbians have stated such. Which prominent lesbians, John D?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

hmmmm suprisingly does not say anything about the child’s biological mother and father not being married.

by golly, u conservatrons need to picket webster’s for that slight!!!

By JK

December 8, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

• but since you advocate homes without fathers…*

Yep. That’s what you warmongers do. Fathers should be teaching their sons to be men, not dying in Iraq for no good g-dd-mn reason. Happy now, warmongers?

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

blownhemi (1118)

There is so much evidence for global warming that you can pick any stripe or polka-dot, practically any nationality, and practically any political persuasion scientist you want, including biologists and botantists who are tracking the northern movement of animals and plants as their environments get warmer. The studies showing that plants are blooming earlier, that birds are mating earlier are readily accessible from around the world. Kilimanjaro is losing its snowpack and glaciers, Greenland is losing its glaciers: there are many studies from all over the world in almost any discipline you want which deals with the natural world.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Sure there is global warming, And 30 -40 years ago there was global cooling.

The Sun activity is responsible for both. There have been sufficient reports from scientists, who are not affiliated with Al Gore or his opponents, to support the view that these events are cyclical and will eventually turn in the other direction.

BUT, under the liberals view of the world that “evil man” has created the greenhouse effect. What shallow thinking!

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Debbie:Teaching them to be a man is the role of the FATHER but since you advocate homes without fathers

WHERE do u see that I advocate that?! can u people READ? SHOW ME where I said that!?

I assume you expect this to become another responsibility of GOVERNMENT.

big brothers/sisters, mentors, etc. are PRIVATE organizations that saw a need and filled it. reading is fundamental.

BUFFOONS. I apologize for the personal attack but when the shoe fits

i’m just surprised u knew how to spell it.

Change does occur. When the change is detrimental then society has a responsibility to recognize the error and move to another direction. This is not a responsibility of government but the American FAMILY can make positive changes

where do u see that i said it was a “responsibility of the government”? i’d just LOVE for u to show me that!

Why do you have to attack Christianity with your Reverend Billy Bob remarks

I was attacking so-called CHRISTIANS, u know the ones who are supposed to be so christ-like, but would rather SPIT on a widow, orphan, unemployed, etc., then help them as JESUS told them to. the ones who take a couple of rusty cans out of their pantries once a year and think they’re “helping” the hungry.

Anyone with a brain

oh well, that leaves u out.

Your comment on sin is incredibly ignorant

what comment on sin? if u are referring to “faith without works is dead” I didn’t say that, James, (as in James 2:26) did. i did however paraphrase the quote. the correct verse says “For as the body without spririt is dead, so faith without works is dead also”.

Your position seems to be “bad things happen - so what?” Exactly how lazy are you that you make no effort to correct the wrongs of the world? At least start in your own home or neighborhood

u don’t even KNOW me yet here u are mr. holier than a cow telling me what I do on my free time. REMARKABLE!! i bet u also voted for Bush, proudly, TWICE!!! if that doesn’t smack of idioicy and stupidity……..

By the way, when my wife and I were blessed with a child we decided she would be a stay-at-home mom. Not for our benefit but for our daughter’s benefit

so u want a medal?

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Just make sure that the sex-ed classes don’t include eugenics but do include giving out condoms as the students leave the room They are infinitely more effective than “abstinence” training.

George W. Bush may not have had any sex drive as a teen-ager, but the average teen-age boy would rather ** than eat. Make sure he gets plenty of healthy food and condoms.

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Debbie,

Not only do you apparently avoid newspapers and televised news but you avoid your own written word.

the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents.

You state this does not say anything about the biological mother and father not being married. What does the word “unmarried” mean to you?

By JohnD

December 8, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

JK,

Keep the words in context. The comment had nothing to do with the war but your language speaks volumes about you.

By Jen

December 8, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

The one parent household is an abject failure, huh?

Tell that to my 47-year-old mother-in-law with a BS in accounting and my 32-year-old PhD-educated husband.

Don’t generalize. It makes you look dumb to people like us.

By Aquagirl

December 8, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Well, John D, thanks to you and the Republican wingnuts, we’re assured of marriage being one man and one woman. The spawn of K-Fed and Brittany Spears will be legitimate, while Mary Cheney’s child won’t.

Anybody want to guess whose kid is most likely to grow up and be a carjacker?

By getalife

December 8, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

JohnD,

Yes, and when we leave the Saudis, Iranians, and Syrians will fight to protect their sectarian groups in Iraq.

Taken out the nut in the spider hole will cause many more people to die.

This is w’s greatest blunder in US history. It is far from over. We are now the bad guys in the world.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

The very best way to address so called global warming is to immediately incinerate every single liberal/leftist/commie and mohammedan fascist on the planet. Whilst this might fleetingly cause a slight temperature rise in some locales the end benefits (globally) would be so overwhelmingly positive that within a week or so - if it even took that long - everybody else would be pondering why such sensible practical commense sense action wasn’t taken before. Eradicating all pinko types would ensure that all unhinged hysterical global whining immediately stopped, at least 75% of yankkkee/hollywood SUV abuse would cease - the senate and house would revert back to GOP control, new oil drilling and oil refineries could actually be planned and built, most of the fascist left media would simply disappear overnight. Iraq and Afghanistan would be peaceful, Israel would be left in peace.

This joyous list of the benefits to mankind of eradicating all leftists and mohammedan fascists is almost endless.

If these was an “easy button” to press to instantaneously to do this I’d spend a week or so jumping up and down on it - just to make sure. … huge I loathe leftists smirk

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

JohnD,

I bet you also think that the moon landing was “staged.”

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Two women can be parents. Two men can be parents. A woman and boy can be parents. A child benefits from two parents but many successful people grew up with only one. Divorce or widowhood does not condemn a child to jail, drugs, whatever, nor does being raised by a single parent. To the blogger who mentioned child abuse as a result of single parenthood, much child abuse happens in the mother-father model.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

dissatisfaction with President Bush’s handling of Iraq has climbed to an alltime high of 71 percent

JohnD is part of the minority who is still in denial.

He can’t believe a President could do this to America.

Its real JohnD so you should get real.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

JIm,

Jim,

Just read an article in today’s AJC (p. A3) claiming that Bush “moved quickly Thursday to distance himself from the central recommendations of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group … .”

That cowboy is going to destroy all of his support and subject the Republicans to 20 years in the wilderness as penance for his sins

By getalife

December 8, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Hey lies,

I thought ICE deported you bloody wanker.

I see your homeland was nuked on a small scale.

Make sure you visit that Sushi bar when they do deport you illegal alien.

By Jenn

December 8, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Jen, you are right. Sometimes children are better off without a deadbeat parent in their life, and if the “non deadbeat” parent does their job right, then the kids actually turn out just as good or better. Thats not saying that children don’t deserve to have a mother and a father, because they do.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

AT LAST SOME VERY GOOD NEWS …

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/08/061208154024.h6a78c05.html

By getalife

December 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

“Clenis” did Mary cheney.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

time for the truth (1146)

Thank you for your insightful contribution.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Debbie:Pick up a newspaper or watch the news sometime. Under Saddam the Iraqis attacked Kuwait, the Kurds, and the Shiites to name a few, not to mention the rape and torture rooms in his palaces

my point, JOHN was did he attack AMERICA? (sigh)

The US attack was against Saddam not the Iraqi people

then why go in with a full fledged army? why are the Iraqi people suffering, why was the Iraqi infrastructure disabled? the US could’ve taken out Saddam without taking out the entire county, even YOU are not that naive.

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

TFTT, I’m so glad you shared with us your early homosexual experience. Now maybe you can overcome your self-hatred and embrace your sexuality in a healthy positive manner. Best wishes.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I hope you are not a registered voter

i am!! and i’m proud to say my one little registered vote helped to change the conservatron tide in November!!! God bless america!!!

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

I understand that crackpipe Dennis/Debbie’s parents were married - just not to each other!!

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

I hope you are not a registered voter

i am!! and i’m proud to say my one little registered vote helped to change the conservatron tide in November!!! God bless america!!!

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

TFTT, I’m so glad you shared with us your early homosexual experience. Now maybe you can overcome your self-hatred and embrace your sexuality in a healthy positive manner. Best wishes.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

I see the greaseball maggot brian is still peddling its racist leftist bile …

THIS IS MY COUNTRY NOW you nasty treasonous marxist TurdBURGLAR - if you don’t like it … p!ss off back to Cuba!!

Diogenes … the pleasure is undoubtedly all yours!!

By Jim Wooten

December 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight is an idiot.

By timeforthetruth

December 8, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Hey Political Foreskin - did I scare you off with my admission in my 10:27 posting?!?! I haven’t seen you on here since then.

I still love you big boy!!

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

time for the truth (1208)

Thank you for your scintillating political analysis. Don’t know how Jim could write his commentaries without your input. I suppose you assisted him with his proposal for eugenics this morning?

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Bush will go down in history as the most hard-headed, stubborn president who can’t admit he made a mistake in Iraq.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

time for the truth is an illegal immigrant from England.

He is Blair’s poodle and should crawl back to England with his tail between his limy legs.

He is not American.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

What does the word “unmarried” mean to you?

it means not married.

By Markus

December 8, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

So it’s the illegal Mexicans causing our car-pool rates to rise. I must say that as one who has commuted in just about all areas of the metro area, I can categorically state that I am not surprised. GA400, I85, I75, I20, I285… there isn’t a mile that can’t be driven without seeing a vanload of Mexicans going to a job site. I’d be willing to bet the rate of ladders and trash bags flying onto our roads has increased too.

Too bad we don’t have a military complex like Eglin AFB in the Florida panhandle to buy up precious coastal land for a “test range” and keep greedy transplant developers from ruining the landscape with treeless clusterhome developments like Pulte. But of course liberal demoncats hate the “military industrial complex.”

A black Christmas tree? Well a lot of nuts in this nation that really believe Jesus was really black, so why not? Happy Kwaanzmas. The last black Jew I ever heard of was Sammy Davis Jr., and he became a convert to Judaism after reading a book on Jewish people while in a hospital.

Social workers and policies that make no sense? Come on now. Don’t we all know that the beloved government that liberal demoncats love so much is the answer to everything. Spank your child and you can go to jail, no questions asked. If your child falls off a bike and scrapes his butt and your neighbor doesn’t like you (or you have a W sticker on your Volvo and he has a Kerry/Edwards sticker on his flaming pos 1989 Honda Accord beater), said neighbor can call up child welfare services and they can throw your butt in jail… no questions asked. Just think, this behemoth government monstrocity known as social services is just how our healthcare would be run under Hitllary Communistcare… you know, that “free” healthcare for all feel-good libokook policy those fleabags on the left want. And for anyone (that means you ignoranus liberal moonbats) who doesn’t believe that kids born out of wedlock have a statistically less stable future from education to health to incarceration than those born into a stable traditional marriage, I won’t even bother with federal and state statistics links. I can’t help those with their heads in the sand wishing reality was different.

What irony about New Yawk. Liberals are the first to b!tch about the intrusion of the federal or state government into private lives, yet have to have said intervention to prevent it’s people from being a bunch of fa@sses. Then again, personal responsibility was never an intention of the disease of liberalism.

Finally, for the global warming neomarxist liberals out there, just about everybody is universal in agreement about it: it is happening. Now whether mankind or nature is causing it is another issue. But I won’t debate a neomarxist libopig on the matter: it’s a part of their religion. I can say I believe that global warming exists, but I don’t believe that mankind is responsible, and they’ll come back with “you are ignorant if you don’t believe global warming exists.” It’s like debating a pig in a different dress expecting different responses… in one ear and out the other.

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Jim Wooten, please say that wasn’t you at 12:10. Despite our disagreements, I know you wouldn’t call a blogger an idiot, would you?

By Markus

December 8, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

I see our resident nolife libokook schizoid demoncat from hell is up to the usual suspect ways and jacking TFTT’s alias…

By KelvinD

December 8, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Time For Truth, tell us, is PF’s foreskin red, white and blue?

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

@ lilylivered turd

jolly well done for unsurprisingly projecting your filthy perverted homosexuality onto your conservative betters - but happily I aint no bleeding mincing shirtlifter. However the greasy pizza gobbler maggotbrain, the resident flaccid id thief rednekkks NAMBLA and our resident transgendered nutter crackpipe dennis/debbie are as queer as any san fran sicko liberal.

Jim @ 12.10 … excellent factual post.

By Jen

December 8, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

When my mother-in-law got pregnant at 14 she was kicked out of high school and denied the basic education she needed to get a job.

Her boyfriend refused to put his name on my husband’s birth certificate because he didn’t want responsibility. But, then, he was 14, too.

While my mother-in-law studied for her GED, which she got at 17, she lived at home with HER mother. So, there were two women raising my husband. No grandfather.

AFTER she got her GED she relied upon GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS to help her pay for child care while she worked at minimum wage jobs.

When my husband graduated from high school they BOTH got GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE to attend college.

However, I am the middle child of a doctor and a nurse (who stayed at home after having 5 kids). I went to private school. I was raised to have Christian conservative values.

Then I met my husband and his mother when, by accident, I attended the same college. Knowing them meant an evaluation of why I believed in certain things. I discovered it was mostly because my parents indoctrinated me. And then life taught me some real lessons about real people.

The three of us graduated from college on the same day.

After we both got our Masters degrees I supported my husband through his PhD program.

And now we’re a happy liberal family, making 6 figures and paying 6-figure-income taxes so that people like him and his mother can end up like people like him and his mother.

Liberals are not born…they’re made. Consider that before you talk about how bad we are for this country.

We are you.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Birth Control and sex education could’ve solved a LOT of problems for Twisted Sister Truth’s poor mother. imagine bringing that devil spawn into the world….and al the money she had to pay for his monthly rabies shots.

By CJ

December 8, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Kudos to Jim Wooten on his comments regarding Paulding County’s efforts to preserve green space and his position supporting the continued lack of development on Jekyll Island.

Although Democrats are currently perceived as being more likely to address environmental concerns, one can’t honestly call one’s self a conservative without also being a conservationist. If the Republicans are serious about getting back to their core values, then returning to their conservationist roots would be a good first step.

By tiredofit

December 8, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

As posted earlier-A child needs a father and a mother??? -

Hmmm… I would have been better off without my abusive, alcholic father. I like how the term “Family” only applies to having a mom and dad.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Diorrhea 12.15

That was merely well deserved, albeit somewhat restrained abuse!!

YOU dishonest BRAINLESS simpering TW@T!!

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

no that was a Jim Wooten wannabe. Jim’s name is usually highlighted in blue and is in a larger font.

By Political Foreskin

December 8, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

The Iraqi Study Group has concluded it’s recommendations with this overall assessment: “While the Dixie Chick’s career is deteriorating it is still not in it’s final throes. Some radio stations may begin to play their songs again and they may win some awards. The only way forward is for President Bush to declare Martial Tucker Law. If not we’re finished.”

By KelvinD

December 8, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

are as queer as any san fran sicko liberal. Is this supposed to be an insult? If so, we ain’t insulted, dude.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

the slimy greaseball racist coward maggotbrain needs to slither back to Cuba on an extra chromosomed sicilian olive oil slick and suck Castro dry - before its commie killer hero dies!!

A proud Bush voting Anglo-American

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

BUSH STILL HAS TWO MORE GLORIOUS YEARS!!

By getalife

December 8, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Not me macaca.

Wrong as usual but we do expect that from what you spew.

Liberal, liberal, liberal, blah, blah, blah.

By Diogenes

December 8, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

time for the truth (1233)

Did you think all those words by yourself?

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

A black Christmas tree? Well a lot of nuts in this nation that really believe Jesus was really black, so why not? Happy Kwaanzmas. The last black Jew I ever heard of was Sammy Davis Jr., and he became a convert to Judaism after reading a book on Jewish people while in a hospital

Il Douche Little Weiner: your predictability has become so boring. why not, just as a dare, try NOT to bring race into every conversation?!? let’s see how long you last……

By getalife

December 8, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Saudis reportedly funding Iraqi Sunnis

Duh.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

@ kelvinDICK

deranged foreskin was actually circumcised as a young rabidly stupid donkey, alas, as they threw the wrong piece away - the actual (extant) colour scheme is very hard to tell. I’m just guessing that its still a gangrenous green … but ask crackpipe dennis/debbie as it has intimate PAID knowledge of all this.

By Richard

December 8, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Jen - if your mother-in-law hadn’t been such a slut, she wouldn’t have been pregnant at age 14. She deserved to have a hard life.

By @@

December 8, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Jim:

Carpooling? Newly arrived hispanics are packed like sardines in a can. Once they’ve got that roll-back key to success, it’ll be one person to a container.

Greenspace? I’ve got mine Jim, just not far enough out. I do appreciate the gift I gave myself even though it’s boxed in by…well…residential boxes in a cluster (insert bad word here).

A Black Tree? Are you talking about the thousands that are left standing after developers hit ‘em with their bulldozers? Gifts of nature mean nothing to developers.

Jekyll Island? Politicians would do well to remember that “No man is an island”. Reach out and touch your representatives electronically.

Social workers? There’s nothing social about how the supervisors handled that one. I’ve really changed my thinking when it comes to children who have been impacted by liberally progressive programs. I used to tell my child that I have one opportunity to make a worthwhile investment in this country’s future, and I’m hugging her right now.

I’ve been involved with orphanages. Sometimes, when children are left to their own in a structured setting, it’s amazing the familial tendencies that will surface for one another.

Trans-fatties banned? Unmarried couples are more often than not unwilling to sacrifice their individual careers. Fear of losing their independence I guess. Because of their drive to succeed, it’s usually a window where they pick up their kids dinner.

Then…the government is forced to intercede with businesses to assure society’s good health.

Foreclosures? Homes are a worthwhile investment. Don’t invest more than you can afford. Afterall, your greatest investment is what will reside within.

Curt Thompson? Don’t know the guy or his bride, so….

John Bolton? This one really frustrates me. Chris Dodd was determined to block his nomination. In the interest of what? Cuba.

Bolton was a diamond in the rough. Appreciated by many Ambassadors within the U.N. who are to be admired. What do we get in exchange?

Three worthless rocks. Fidel, Chavez and Ahmadinejad. What a deal?

Emory University parking? So what is it, they sacrificed quality for quantity? Education for gas?

Hmmmmmmm, let me think about that one for awhile.

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Dear Diogenes @ 10:32, by “diplomatic skills” I assume you mean someone who will ratify frauds like the Iraqi “food for oil” program. To the extent you argue that the UN cannot tolerate an honest man, you and I are in full agreement.

Dear Lily @ 12:24, you are comparatively new to the blog. You need to know that while most of the people on the blog write sincerely, there is an occasional identity thief. My friend Time for the Truth is the victim whose identity is most often misrepresented, as happened earlier today. When Jim writes a note, his name highlights in blue. There are two threads running on this blog at any time, one with substantial if argumentative posts and counter-posts, and one with fun posts, the latter mostly with comments like “your mama’s so fat….” Enjoy – life is short.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Did you think all those words by yourself?

being brutally honest here - NO - I have to admit that your ex-wife and younger kid sister helped me out a bit. Although I had to correct their (initial) flawed Websters spelling!

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

are as queer as any san fran sicko liberal. Is this supposed to be an insult?

mildly impatient SIGH … it was just a factual statement … wise up dickweed!

By getalife

December 8, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

I am still waiting too

Who will step up and apologize?

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Dear All, we lose another giant. My favorite democrat, Jeanne Kirkpatrick died today, mentioned on Drudge. There is no room in the UN for the Kirkpatricks, Buckleys, and Boltons of the world. I always hoped Jeanne would run for president in 1988, but she had too much class.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

tut tut tut crackpipe dennis/debbie

It seems we are all collectively enduring the sick and twisted evil that was malevolently perpetrated that fateful day on 6/6/nineteen66 when you were unhappily able to mercilessly scramble out of the bottom of a fully laden Alabama abortion bucket!

talking of rabies shots crackpipe -it seems that yours happily have not worked yet again.

BTW - any chance of you ever actually answering the superb points about disporportionate black violent crime made so tellingly by David Horowitz. Buy Danish effortlesly factually and logically humiliated you on this topic.

By Danielle S, BSW

December 8, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Jim~ SHAME ON YOU!!! I appreciate your point in the tragedy of the Fulton Co. DFCS negligence in the death of the 2 year old. However, I would hope you would have researched your facts and discovered that the title for those people holding most of those positions in DFCS is “Case Worker/Manager” NOT “Social Worker”. There is a huge difference. The first title reflects a job, the second reflects a PROFESSION. Just because someone works in a hospital, that does not make them a doctor- special skills, knowledge, and training permit an MD. As a person who holds a degree in Social Work (BSW and working on my Masters of Social Work)and on behalf of the National Association of Social Work, and Social Workers everywhere, I plead for you to be careful in noting that point during your next commentary on the topic.

Thank you in advance

Danielle D. Sonnier, BSW

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

maggot brain’s new homo bumper sticker

I’M DATING YOUR HUSBAND

By getalife

December 8, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

lies,

Sorry, I love the ladies so you can stop hitting on me.

Try PF, he was hitting on me yesterday.

By harold

December 8, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Name what’s responsible for killing more than a million Americans since 1985.

Terrorists? Nope Saddam Hussein? Nope Nucular Bombs? Nope The Japanese? Nope Germans? Nope Yankees? Nope Crime? Nope Homeland Security Squads? Nope, at least not yet The Automobile? BINGO

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Dear Danielle @ 1:14, pray with me: G_d save us from people who magnify the importance of titles.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

This coming from a guy who said he is a lawyer.

Oh, the irony.

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

When the San Francisco Democrats treat foreign affairs as an afterthought, as they did, they behaved less like a dove or a hawk than like an ostrich—convinced it would shut out the world by hiding its head in the sand… . When the Soviet Union walked out of arms control negotiations, and refused even to discuss the issues, the San Francisco Democrats didn’t blame Soviet intransigence. They blamed the United States. But then, they always blame America first. When Marxist dictators shoot their way to power in Central America, the San Francisco Democrats don’t blame the guerrillas and their Soviet allies, they blame United States policies of 100 years ago. But then, they always blame America first. The American people know better. – Jeanne Kirkpatrick, 1984 Republican Convention

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Twisted Sister Truth: Baaa. Baaaa.

sheep.

here’s a link that maybe even a sheep can understand, (hope reigns supreme)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/sheets/cvus/2004/cv0440.csv

good luck with that sheep.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Name what’s responsible for killing more than a million Americans since 1985.

liberalism, AIDS/homosexuality, liberalism, illegal drugs, liberalism, alcohol, liberalism, cigarettes, liberalism, mohammedan fascists, liberalism, abortion, liberalism, cancer, liberalism etc

By Kerry

December 8, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Just a comment. Someone commented that if Jen’s mother-in-law hadn’t been such a slut, she wouldn’t have been pregnant at 14 and deserved a hard life. WOW. That’s deep. This person really needs some meds. My only question here is, what does this make the MALE 14 year old who impregnated her? Always wondered why the male is spared the scorn. People are SO hypocritical…

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Buy these two superb books crackpipe dennis:

http://www.amazon.com/Race-Card-Resentment-Assault-Justice/dp/0761509429/sr=1-8/qid=1165603623/ref=sr18/104-8083793-6047143?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/Hating-Whitey-Other-Progressive-Causes/dp/1890626317/sr=1-9/qid=1165603623/ref=sr19/104-8083793-6047143?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3198

this is just part of the superb FACTUAL coverage in the Front Page archives:

Although blacks are 12% of the population in reality it is just 2% of the blacks that commit 50% of the murders and a greater percentage of other crimes. Consider: black females - 6%. Blacks from zero yrs. to 12yrs. and black males from 50-100 years commit an infinitesimal percentage of the crimes. Therefore we are left with two percent. If we eliminate crimes committed by this two percent from the U.S. statistics our country compares very favorably with all Western countries. Fact — blacks kill 7 times more than whites kill. Fact — blacks kill whites 20 times more than whites kill blacks. Fact — blacks mug or commit group crime against whites 50 times more than whites commit against blacks. Fact — blacks rape white women 2000 (yes 2000) times more than whites rape black women. In New York City, about 300 white women are raped by blacks every year BUT there has not been a black woman raped by a white male in anybody’s memory (going back over 20 yrs.) Consider: Al Sharpton had to go upstate New York to find a hoax and that was over 10 years ago.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

GOP senator criticizes Iraq war in emotional speech WASHINGTON (CNN) — In an emotional speech on the Senate floor Thursday night, Sen Gordon Smith, a moderate Republican from Oregon who has been a supporter of the war in Iraq, said the U.S. military’s “tactics have failed” and he “cannot support that anymore.”

Smith said he is at, “the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up the same bombs, day after day.

“That is absurd,” he said. “It may even be criminal.”

Smith said he has tried to quietly support President Bush during the course of the war — and doesn’t believe the president intentionally lied to get the U.S. into the war — but now recognizes, “we have paid a price in blood and treasure that is beyond calculation” for a war waged due to bad intelligence.

Moved this week by the findings of the Iraq Study Group, Smith said he needed to “speak from my heart.

“I, for one, am tired of paying the price of 10 or more of our troops dying a day. So let’s cut and run or cut and walk, but let us fight the way on terror more intelligently that we have because we have fought this war in a very lamentable way,” he said.

Duh, can I get an apology from the “right”?

By @@

December 8, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Oops! Jim, I had every intention of including something in my post but it can be submitted in an afterthought.

I have lots of those. Too much “stuff” going on.

I have a plaque hanging in my kitchen. It’s an excerpt from a poem from Lord Alfred Tennyson. When I read it I think of children. Here’s the excerpt from “To J.S.”:

“God gives us love. Something to love, he lends us.”

We can’t afford to default on those loans Jim, but it looks like, as a society, we are.

What a shame.

By Jen

December 8, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Richard…I understand your only point is to bait and enrage people. I doubt you truly believe most of what you say.

However, let’s examine what you’ve said.

First, what is a slut? It’s a meaningless word. I think you are trying to imply that someone who is young and unmarried and has sex is a bad person. How old were you and were you married the first time you had sex?

Second, because someone is a bad person for being young, unmarried, and having sex they deserve a hard life. That’s unkind.

Do you think she should have had an abortion? If not, do you believe my husband also deserved a “hard life”? How can his mother deserve and then live a hard life without the child also living the same hard life?

As to her “hard life”. Yes, it was hard, for a long time. But, now she’s 47, with no dependents, making 60K a year. She’s completely independent and is very successful in her career.

In fact, she’s a success in her life. She became who she set out to be and you can’t take that away from her by calling her a names you choose for their perceived and biased unkindness. Also, her child grew up to a very successful man.

Her “hard life” has been very well rewarded. I sometimes wonder why it is that I deserve to be included in the lives of such special and gifted people.

What do you make of that?

By Brandon

December 8, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Cj said one can’t honestly call one’s self a conservative without also being a conservationist

I can’t for the life of me find in the history of the conservative cause that means being a conservative should include being conservationistl, especially when big fat gubmint is involved. Just because the two words appear similar doesn’t mean they have the same meaning.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry for Jeanne Kirkpatrick’s loved ones, but her use of divisive and adolescent-like rhetoric (“San Fransico Democrats”, “they always blame America first”) over substantive arguments to influence voters isn’t something that belongs in an eulogy. With so many dying and suffering, our society is anxious to move beyond such talk, and instead, think critically about how best to move forward.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

Twisted Sister Truth: I knew sheep wouldn’t be able to comprehend a department of Justice website. sorry — i guess i should’ve dumbed it down for you.

Baaaa. Baaaa.

By CJ

December 8, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Brandon @2:16 “I can’t for the life of me find in the history of the conservative cause that means being a conservative should include being conservationist…”

Brandon — You’re not looking very hard. Here’s a link that might help:

http://www.Google.com

By Brandon

December 8, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

For Crying Out Loud; divisive and adolescent-like rhetoric (“San Fransico Democrats”, “they always blame America first”) over substantive arguments to influence voters isn’t something that belongs in an eulogy.

You mean divisive adolescent-like rhetoric like like Republicans are evil; Republicans never worked an honest day in their lives; Republicans act like goose-stepping Nazis; I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for; Abu Graib is just open under new management. Is that the kind of rhetoric you are referring to also? I just wanted to make sure.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

You should have chosen “Court Jester” for a name. What does the moon landing have to do with anything on this post? I have heard Armstrong actually said, “One giant leap for Manny Klein”. I enjoyed watching the landing on TV at the time and have never expressed any lack of trust.

The reality of life is that often a very appropriate decision at the time can turn into a wholly unwanted result. The measure of the individual, or the country in this case, is whether steps are taken to correct the wrong and see the event through to the end.

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie,

We took an army because Saddam had an army.

The treaties we have with other nations, under the mutual defense provisions, equate an attack on our allies to an attack upon the US.

Illegal aliens kill more people in this country every YEAR than we have lost in Afghanistan and Iraq since the war began. We often lost more soldiers in one week during WWII than we have since the conflict began in Iraq.

What would you “liberals” have the government do? Wait until the dirty bomb or nuclear bomb goes off in your neighborhood before we engage the enemy? The “liberal” survivors would probably want to sit down and negotiate with the Muslims rather than retaliate.

Jen,

You and your family should be proud of the success of your husband and his mother. But this does not diminish the terrible effect one-parent households have on our society. There are untold other stories like yours but that does not change the reality of the problem.

You cite the government role in the success which is unfortunately an inappropriate position for the government. This should have been a family, not government, matter.

By jbmlaw

December 8, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Dear Thinking @ 2:17, I guess you missed the irony – Jeanne’s repeated message to the moonbats was a plea to join the solution and not merely whine about the problem. I will not tar all leftists with the same brush – in the last couple of days we have seen several intelligent and thoughtful leftist arguments, focused on solutions – but I urge you to look over the posts on this blog, almost any day, and notice who whines, and who proposes solutions.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Brandon at 2:27. The answer to your question is yes.

Did Jeanne Kirkpatrick say those things too? If so, they don’t belong in her eulogy either…on her tombstone maybe, but not in her eulogy.

By John

December 8, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

John,

Thank you for the kind words.

However, you are incorrect to say that the government has no place in giving a leg up to people like my family. Indeed, they did not have bootstraps because there were no boots.

The standard argument from conservatives is that it should be left to the private sector.

Unfortunately, the private sector exploits these people. I know of none who don’t.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie,We took an army because Saddam had an army.The treaties we have with other nations, under the mutual defense provisions, equate an attack on our allies to an attack upon the US

ok, using that logic, in this present war that we are in now, WHICH ONE of our allies did Saddam attack? also, regarding Desert Storm, WHEN did we sign a treaty with Kuwait? Kuwait doesn’t even HAVE a military, they don’t need one they have OIL. so, if we get attacked, will Kuwait come to our aid? r there any soldiers from Kuwait in Iraq now?

What would you “liberals” have the government do? Wait until the dirty bomb or nuclear bomb goes off in your neighborhood before we engage the enemy?

huh? r u on medication? did u forget to take it today? what does Iraq have to do with this argument. please, FOCUS!!! there were no WMD’s in Iraq, none. zip. zero. nada.

By ICEMAN

December 8, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

I find it very intriging that all of you right wingers are now listening and showing respect for other people’s opinion now that you have received your butt whipping.

By DebbieDoRight

December 8, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

You and your family should be proud of the success of your husband and his mother. But this does not diminish the terrible effect one-parent households have on our society

ok so what do u wanna do. track down the guy who did the awful things to her mother-in-law and make him marry her? OR make every man who impregnates every woman in america marry the mother of their child? do u think that’ll work?

You cite the government role in the success

the government paid a part, but her mother-in-law and her husband MADE their OWN success. why u don’t see that is a mystery to me.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the advice at 2:34. However, the use of the words “moonbats” and “leftists” are also manifestations of the problem I identified in my earlier post. I will now stop whining and propose a solution. Stop using those words.

By Mark in Atlanta

December 8, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

You know Jim, some of your comments are on the money, but some of them are so skewed with prejudice that it’s a wonder you can function in today’s society. Hispanics are a member of our nation, like it or not. They aren’t the only one’s carpooling, but they obviously have a better sense about how to save a dollar on transportation than half the metro area does. Most of them not only can afford their own rides, they OWN their own rides, they just choose to ride in together. A lesson we can all learn.

One thing I definitely agree with you on, is the parents who killed that poor child. They need to be removed from the gene pool. And the supervisors that kept that poor child there need to be put up on charges themselves. All the evidence was in, and they STILL left the girl with those evil people, overiding the caseworker?

By Mark in Atlanta

December 8, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Opps, hit the button before I was finished. And last but not least, the unmarried comment… You know, sometimes it happens. My mom (unmarried for most of my childhood years) actually gave me, my brother and my sister a darned good home, a stable life and plenty of love. My grandfather, on the other hand, was a married man with 3 kids of his own and a child molester who went to his death bed never acknowledging the hurt or the wrong he did. Who was the better parent, hmm?

By getalife

December 8, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Speaking of whining, the pathetic losers are still blaming the press and calling the ISG “surrender monkeys”.

Man up and admit their failures is impossible to these pitiful creatures.

By ICEMAN

December 8, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Mark in Atlanta,

If you are correct, then Hispanics must also know how to save money on homes and apartments because they pile up in those as well.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Thinking Out Loud,

It is a horrible thing to call someone a “San Francisco Democrat”?

Is it the word “Democrat” or “San Francisco” that you find offensive?

And where is all this “dying” and “suffering” you are seeing? We all die, some of us suffer in the process. Do you have a plan to rid mankind of this nuisance?

P.S. I hope you don’t mind if I describe you as a “liberal”.

By Mark in Atlanta

December 8, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Iceman: Are you jealous of them? heheheh. Seriously, they are a hard working people who are for the most part thrifty, consciencious and very family oriented. If we as a nation would take a page or two from their book, just as we would like them to take a few pages from our book, we might find some of those family values we seem to be lamenting as lost lately.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

“Foley panel: GOP didn’t protect pages”.

Said they were “willfully ignorant”.

That is a good description of Hasturd.

By ICEMAN

December 8, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Mark in Atlanta,

Why would I be jealous of someone’s ability to sneak into a country? I prefer to be here legally thank you. What book? The “How to illegally invade a country, steal jobs, and pay no taxes” book?

By Mark in Atlanta

December 8, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

GOP didn’t pretect pages. I agree, and those who were informed and ignored what was happening should certainly be removed from the House and/or Senate under Ethics violations (yes, tell me, how is it NOT a violation of ethics to be told one of your own is having inappropriate relations of a sexual nature with a minor and just look the other way?). What I want to know is when is Foley going to be put in jain and tried like the rest of these internet predators who get arrested for propositioning minors over the web?

By Mark in Atlanta

December 8, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Iceman, I was actually referring to the immigrants who are here legally. I would like to see the illegal immigrants turn their lives and self esteeem around by making the effort to become legal.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Jen,

I assume the “By John” was from you since you referenced your husband and mother-in-law.

The success is theirs but my position is still that the government should not have been involved. This is a private sector responsibility and if you have the time I will be happy to introduce you to members of the private sector who accept the responsibility and act to help others.

The arguments posted here of your family’s success and that of others only supports my position. Teenagers are not equipped emotionally or financially to deal with the responsibility that goes with sex.

To argue the best position is handing out condoms “since they will do it anyway” is nonsense. People are going to rob banks, should we hand them weapons?

Debbie,

You have become too irrational to answer. Your position is hollow, your statements inane, your solutions senseless, your arguments are empty and your position is unsupportable with intelligent thought.

Iraq had WMD’s, even remnants were found. Your heroes in government, the liberal Democrats, made statements thoughout Clinton’s Presidency attesting to the fact and asserting Saddam should be removed from power. These same Democrats only stepped back when the deed was done by a Republican.

What Iraq has to do with this, you poor lost soul, is the aforementioned weapons, the support for terrorism, and the threat Saddam posed to the entire region.

You are unable to accept we went to the aid of a defenseless Kuwait and did a great thing in the process. You are, simply put, a person who hates Republicans, Bush and conservatives.

The point of using an attack on this country in the example was that you Liberals will still deny there is a threat even after one of the devices is used on US soil. The Liberal approach will be that we somehow deserved to be attacked and therefore we should not retaliate.

Just as you Liberals think government is the solution to all our social problems you think diplomacy will solve all of out international problems. Take off your blinders, mules, and stop following failed leaders like Clinton and Carter, Kerry, Kennedy and the rest.

Even if President Bush wanted to apologize to you sensitive folks, to do so would be folly. We have never heard Clinton apologize for any of his mistakes. Teddy Kennedy? No. John Kerry? No. Howard Dean? No.

By ICEMAN

December 8, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry Mark in Atlanta. I thought were talking about the other 95% of Hispanics that are here.

By Bemused Humanist

December 8, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Ironic, isn’t it, that Ms. Kirkpatrick forgot to mention the long list of vicious right-wing dictators we either installed or propped up all over the world for so many years: Somoza, the Shah, Batista, Pinochet, Diem, et. al. They are a major reason why there is enduring hatred of the US among peoples who suffered under these tyrants.

Of course, I imagine she was smart enough to count on the essential ignorance of history of the Rush/Ann/Sean/Fox News crowd. The types who confuse “Surrender Monkeys” on the front page of a roll of Rupert Murdoch trash like the NY Post with real journalism.

You want solutions? Why doesn’t the United States start by apologizing to the people of countries where we installed or supported tinhorn fascist dictatators? Just simple apologies for sins of the CIA and United Fruit Company would show we are indeed serious about our responsibilities as a great nation and a great power.

By Brandon

December 8, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Crying Out Loud, no, it wasn’t a Republican that said republicans are evil and have never worked an honest day in their lives and those other things mentioned. Those were comments by Mr. Howard Dean and some other prominent Washington congressional Dems. But I do find irony in your statement that those comments should belong on a tombstone, especially the evil comment Why? Because it’s not Conservatives that cower in fear when the Ten Commandments are displayed somewhere. It’s not Conservatives that call the ACLU and have them remove a Nativity Scene. It’s not Conservative families that sue schools when public prayer during a school function offends them. It’s not Conservatives that use the term * bible thumper* to talk about a preacher. It’s not Conservatives that don’t complain about everyone in this nation screwing around and turning this nation into a bunch of Soddom & Gomorrah whores. It’s not Conservatives that support abortion. No, it’s not really Conservatives that support the un-Godliness in this nation, is it? Somebody turned your computer monitor upside down.

And to you Cj, if we Conservatives were truly conservationists in what you leftists define as conservation, we’d never have expanded past the 13 Colonies. We sure wouldn’t have had the logging industry, big oil, suburbs, dams, power plants, power lines, roads, airplanes, cars, boats and ships, and manufacturing plants, big business and capitalism and profit making notwithstanding of course. And we definitely wouldn’t have become a nation of gun owners and hunters. Good day.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

Yet another whining black criminal predicktably plays the race card. dont these morons ever get it - blacks in his position using race in this day and age is an utterly contemptible invariably EMPTY ploy. Its just an empty assertion with NO foundation whatever. In the bad old segregation days race was undeniably a factor … but now its utterly pathetic. Just vile racist showboating, trying to “get at” blacks or slimy guilty liberals who might be on a jury. How can a black multi-millionaire be targeted because of his race when he’s deliberately avoided millions in taxes. Snipes was involved with a very nasty nutty black racist group in S Georgia a few years ago. Nowadays Snipes is just a poor white man’s Steven Seagal. A fw years kicking his heels with the federal prisoner and bigot Billy Campbell will be well deserved.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2494132,00.html

By JDW

December 8, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Iceman, you are blaming the wrong group of people. The vast majority of Hispanics that cross our borders illegally do so only in an effort to better themselves. They do not steal any jobs. The jobs they take are overwhelmingly those that our own citizens will not take. Should they be driven from those jobs the costs you and I pay for homes, restaurant meals, landscaping services, food, hotels etc…will increase substantially. The bit about taxes is an incredible fallacy, every illegal immigrant pays sales taxes, ad valorem taxes and through rental fees they pay property taxes. Those that work on pilfered social security numbers not only pay withholding taxes but get no refund because they file no returns. In fact without the increased tax base provided by Hispanic and other immigrants we have no possible hope of recovering from our current level of deficit spending and continuing to fund our military, social security and Medicaid spending. The blame for this mess rests squarely on the shoulders of our elected representatives, who are too busy worrying about such meaningless issues as gay marriage, prayer in schools, and interfering in Linda Shiavo private family issues to focus on things like immigration reform that are truly critical to us as a nation.

By shaking head

December 8, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

I can’t imagine anyone disagreeing that a two parent, perhaps even male-female household is the ideal, so long as the 2 parents are emotionally healthy, nurturing, loving people. But the reality is that isn’t possible for everyone. Single-parent households happen for a host of reasons - death, divorce, abuse, rape, and on. It seems incredibly harsh and closed-minded to simply assume that a single parent is somehow to blame or has done something wrong. For the person who labeled Jen’s mother-in-law a “slut” who “deserved a hard life”, I certainly hope that whatever higher power you subscribe to isn’t as unforgiving and harsh in punishing you for a lifetime should you ever happen to make a mistake. Though surely you never have made a poor decision in your life since you feel superior enough to condemn others.

The greatest lessons I have learned have been learned thru my own mistakes and the mistakes of others. Rather than slapping a judgmental label on people and condemning them for their “mistakes”, we as a society need to extend a helping hand to those who want to help themselves.

Yes, morals, etc. should be taught by the family, but again, the reality is that not all families are teaching young people those things. So how do we ensure that the younger generations make better choices, how do we teach them to reserve sex and child-bearing until they have enterted into a healthy adult union? How to protect themselves from STDs or pregnancies that they may not have even realized were possible? Our government DOES have a responsibility to protect those who cannot protect themselves, and so rather than letting children fall thru the cracks because they have parents who don’t know how to teach them any better, the government MUST be there to ensure that they get some guidance and structure.

And the whole argument about parents having the right to decide when their children learn about sex is pretty naive. As soon as children are old enough to start engaging in those activities, they deserve to be educated about how their bodies work and what the possible reprecussions of their actions may be. Because again, not all parents are going to educate their children themselves, and as a society we have the duty to protect those children, which includes arming them with the information and support to make good decisions to protect themselves.

Frankly, the problem isn’t single-parent households. It isn’t homosexuals. It isn’t a particular race. The problem is that too many people sit back and blame societal ills on someone else, be it single-parents, gays, blacks, etc., rather than getting involved themselves and opening their minds to the idea that not everyone will fit into their perfect little mold of the Church-going, white suburban family with a stay at home mom and 2.5 children. It’s not reality. We will always be a society filled with diversity of education, background, race, economic circumstance, etc. We are our strongest when we come together in our differences, and work together to help each other. That perfect, blessed family that so many seem to idealize could probably learn a few things from the single-parent family that has endured struggles they have never known.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Danish at 3:17

I didn’t say “horrible”…I said “divisive and adolescent-like”. Division was Jeanne Kirkpatrick’s intention when she uttered those words. Division is what she got.

Your response to my observation regarding suffering and dying is “we all die”. I read today that 71 percent of Americans feel the war in Iraq is going badly. I infer that you’re one of the 29 percent who think it’s going well, since after all, we all die. I suppose you don’t have a problem with genocide either, since of course, we all die. Darfur? No problem? 9/11? No big deal? Serial killers? No need to waste taxpayer money trying to stop them. Right? We all die anyway.

Buy Danish, I say what I’m about to say with a heavy heart. You’re a sociopath. You should know that I didn’t say that to divide; I said it because it’s true. Please seek help.

By time for the truth

December 8, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

bewildered humanscum

that NY Post front page was a classic -absolutely hilarious whilst perfectly sententiously conveying all that needed saying about the largely worthless ‘jobsworths’ in the ISG and their platitudes and pathetically obvious observations/reccommendations that any twit or in your case tw@t could have formulated/ Chat and run is a good way to characterise their largely quite obtuse bollocks - as opposed to maggot brain’s and all the other snivelling pinkos’ on here treasonous cut and run defeatism.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Bemused Humanist,

You libs are totally obsessed with apologies. In a one on one situation an apology is an honorable act. Public apologies between nations over an act that took place decades ago would be folly.

On what do you base your apparent assumption that the despots you named were worse than an alternative despot? Who should make this apology? The leaders in power at the time? The current leaders of the political party in power at the time? Perhaps you could buy some airtime and make the apology on behalf of all the people who think as you do.

Do all of you who deny the Muslims are at war against all free countries also deny the holocaust?

How many times must we hear a Muslim stand up and proclaim death to all Americans and all non-Muslims before you will recognize this threat is not going away?

How often must we hear the silence from the so-called “non-radical Muslims” before we realize that Islam is not a religion but a geo-political movement? Muslims govern the most violent countries in the world under Islamic law. Is this lost on you?

One post asked how a woman could be a Christian. A more appropriate question might be how can a woman not be a Christian if Islam is the alternative?

Christianity puts women on a pedestal and secularism sees women as merely a conquest or a trophy to be used and then discarded if the whim so occurs. I fail to see how a woman could be anything other than a Christian if Islam and secularism are the choices.

By Dusty

December 8, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Bemused Humanist,

What is this deal about apologizing for every shade of history you can find? And it seems you can only find where the USA did wrong and all the rest of the world is lily white pure as Ivory soap.

If you keep this up, I expect you to ask for an apology from Adam and Eve for producing Cain and Abel. Yeah, let us go wayyy back.

Forgive me ,sir, your humanism sounds more like liberalism. And it is not bemused, just straight out political posturing.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Brandon at 4:00,

Your question was “…it’s not really Conservatives that support the un-Godliness in this nation, is it?” The answer to your question is no. It’s people who call themselves conservatives, but aren’t really, who support the un-Godliness in this nation (war, environmental destruction, adultery, divorce, human rights violations, death penalty, torture, greed, pride, gluttony, vanity, materialism, etcetera).

Not the discussion I wanted to have, but since you asked.

Good day.

By Minor Correction

December 8, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

John D. was mistaken when he wrote that Clinton never apologized for his mistakes. He apologized to Rwandans for not taking action to stop the killing there. They love him for it.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Crying Out Loud,

If you have decided that I am a “Sociopath” based on this post, then you (Sir? Madam?)are a………. charlatan.

You read a lot into “words”. You think the phrase San Franciso Democrat is “divisive”. It is a valid, descriptive term like “Country Club Republican” or “Red State Conservative” or “Southern Belle” or “Damn Yankee”.

You stated that there is a lot of dying and suffering in our “society”, which I “infer” to be somewhere in America.

Are you a doctor? That would be a reasonable explanation, although it would be a complete non sequitur.

I am going to make an arm-chair diagnosis of you that is not quackery:

You are a weepy, whiny, miserable, cry-baby, terminally depressed Lib who always sees the glass as being half empty - if not filled with polluted water.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 8, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

San Fran Democrats and Georgia GOPers have one thing in common - they like it from behind, and they like it same sex.

Georgia GOPers are more apt to involve a four-legged friend.

By Lily Toad

December 8, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Muslims are at war against all free countries Some, not all Muslims.

How often must we hear the silence from the so-called “non-radical Muslims” before we realize that Islam is not a religion but a geo-political movement? Muslims govern the most violent countries in the world under Islamic law. Is this lost on you?

How many non-radical white Christians stood up and disavowed any connection with Nichols and McVey when they bombed Oklahoma City? How many heterosexual men condemn wife-killers and rapists? Why are peaceful Muslims expected to condemn violent acts by Muslims that they have no connection with?

Yes, some militant Muslims

By Major Correction(s)

December 8, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

John D.,

You wrote “On what do you base your apparent assumption that the despots you named were worse than an alternative despot?”

Many of the U.S.-backed despots, especially in South America, came into power via military coups against elected leaders.

Christianity puts women on a pedestal? This is true about Christianity, but its not true about Christians. Women can’t hold leadership positions in the world’s largest Christian church (Catholic). The largest Protestant organization in American recently declared that wives are to be subservient to their husbands (Southern Baptist Convention).

Your statement regarding secularism seeing women as a conquest contains as much BS as your first two statements.

In summary, you’re ignorant.

By Jen

December 8, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

John, oops, didn’t mean to steal your identity. John is closely enough spelled like Jen that when I am thinking about hwat I want to write I started in the NAME field…

Anyway, shaking head has pretty much wrapped up my argument.

We will have to simply disagree.

I do not believe the private sector is capable of taking care of all of our nation’s poor.

I especially don’t think it can without exploiting those people.

Name one organization that doesn’t in some way exchange their agenda for the aid they provide. And even if you can name one, that doesn’t remove the fact that the rest of them are still exploiting these people.

I am gone for the day. Everyone have a wonderful weekend.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Lily Toad,

Did McVeigh and Nichols do what they did in the name of Christianity, or were they just a couple of angry white guys, not affiliated with any religious group? Did they have millions, if not billions of followers longing to slaughter innocents, chanting “Death to America”?

Since you opened up the door to Oklahoma City, you may want to check out this book. There is a lot of credible evidence that Islamists were involved there too.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish at 4:42. My diagnosis is confirmed.

By Bill Wright II

December 8, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Hopefully those car poolers who are illegal and their familes will be sent back accross the border. Car pooling can’t be done on a large scale until employers give their employees a standard work time so they can find persons to commute with. Another help would be to have local colleges start classes after rush hours unless students live onsite. It is amazing how nice driving is when the Colleges are out.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

I began this discussion referencing a segment of our society that, among males, believes achieving manhood is demonstrated by fathering a child out of wedlock and then taking no part in that child’s life.

This is the type of one-parent household to which I refer, not those caused by the death of a parent or by the discovery one of the parents is abusive.

Those individuals, who by choice know that there will only be the one parent and most often that one is the mother, are the problem. Those who continue to have children when they have neither the fiancial or emotional resources to adequately care for a family and thus leave the children to grow and fend for themselves, are the problem.

The ideal situation is a loving mother and father to raise and teach the children. Many examples of one parent families exist in which the children grew to be responsible adults. Unfortunatley that is the exception and not the rule and the longer this situation is left unchanged the more difficult change will become.

As for the slut references - well that is totally wrong. Takes two to tango, etc.

As for the hardships some here do not believe the young mother deserved, well there are consequences to the decisions we make and she suffered those and apparently became the better for them. That which does not kill you makes you stronger.

JDW,

For an eye opener on the illegal immigration question you may want to read this:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

I have also read several articles outlining the “net cost” to our country of illegal immigration as being in the hundreds of billions of dollars, mostly due to social-welfare expenses.

By catlady

December 8, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Why was that woman allowed to continue having children she cannot care for properly? When we solve that problem (I am thinking drastic, China-like policy) we will begin to improve a whole lot that is a problem for our country.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish at 5:01. You’re also gullible, delusional and desperate.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Crying Out Loud,

The diagnoses of a Charlatan is worthless, unless you’re in the snake oil business.

Lily Toad,

I forgot to mention that Darfur is another problem caused by Islamists. Crying Out Loud mentioned it, but I bet he would be horrified if we actually identified who the bad guys are.

That of course is why the problem will never be solved, or will be solved only after hundreds of thousands of more innocents are victimized, and even then any “solution” would likely be temporary.

We’d have to come up with some sort of euphemism like “antagonists” or “insurgents” to describe them so we don’t offend anyone.

The Left are incapable of identifying the bad guys or the enemy, unless of course (in their view) it is America or George Bush. They’re really good at that.

Someone like Jeanne Kirkpatrick would have been far more effective in solving the situation in Darfur, but all the whiny one can do is complain that she used the term “San Francisco Liberal”.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

catlady,

Do you think that the people in China who are being forced by the government ot have only one child, or are having their baby girls killed at birth, are the dregs of society?

Think about it.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Sorry you are gone, Jen.

I would like to know how the people are exploited. There ae many organizations giving freely to the needy, certainly at this time of year.

Government has proved over and over again that it is incapable of what you suggest. There are precious few examples of successful child welfare entities in the government. The baby killed here in Georgia by her mother is an example.

The churches will happily take on the role of the government in these situations and provide better, more attentive care.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Crying out Loud,

For someone who hates “labels” you sure are throwing a lot of names around in your weak parries.

You are not apt to get “touche’!” as a response from me or anyone with half a brain.

Parry on. I am not in the least bit wounded by your faint remarks.

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Danish,

Before we went into Iraq, the enemy was Osama bin Laden, al Queda and the Taliban. However, since you 29 percenters keep espousing that America should kill all Muslims (ignoring the fact that many Muslim countries and Muslim individuals have assisted in the war on Terror), we have even more enemies today than we did a few years ago. If endless war is your goal, you’re on the right track. But as you said, we all die anyway.

By catlady

December 8, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Sorry I wasn’t so clear. Maybe it is time to think about holding folks responsible for their decisions, such as:

Go ahead and drop out of school or be disruptive to others in school. You go immediately to jail (nonviolent) or the military to learn a trade BEFORE you prey on the rest of us.

Have a baby out of wedlock on the dole? Fine, but you go on depo until you can take care of it adequately. If you get pregnant again on the dole, you are sterilized. And men proven doing the same are sterilized.

Addicted to drugs? Fine. We will pay for one full round of good, effective drug treatment. If you go back to it, we put you in jail until you demonstrate personal responsibility and acquire a real trade.

One thing our Republican bretheren taught us is folks can do better if we quit enabling them.

Illegal? You cannot come to this country and have babies and expect the citizens of this country to pay for it. Pregnant women should be deported. If in labor, they should be delivered and then deported. And we should charge their home country for it, coming out of any aid we send them. Babies already born here to illegal mothers go back with the illegal mothers and come back upon reaching self-sufficient status (skills and education).

etc. And this coming from a liberal!

By Thinking Out Loud

December 8, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Not labels Buy Danish. Medical diagnoses. As I said, I don’t use rhetoric to divide.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

To dubious corrections,

You did not assert the “despots” supported were worse than the “despots” in power. Do you have any facts?

Actually Christians do put women on pedestals and I fail to see what a centuries old tradition in the Catholic Church has to do with the argument. Perhaps that will change one day but you can be assured Islam will never change its views regarding women.

Actually, the Bible, not the Southern Baptist Convention made the declaration of women being subservient to men, the SBC only confirmed the sentiment. IF you took the time to research the position you would find that in a marriage the woman submits only when there is disagreement on an issue. As in any group or organization there has to be someone to make the ultimate decision and the Bible confers that responsibility upon the husband.

As for your “ignorant” comment, well that is the standard whine of secular America. I hope you understand this great country was founded upon Judeo-Christian ethic and the Ten Commandments are the basis for our system of laws.

To Lilytoad,

McVey and Nichols did not assert the Bible or Christianity told them to bomb the federal building nor did they assert it was a religious calling. So why should Christians disavow the bombers?

The Muslims assert their god and his prophet, Mohammed, demand death to all non-Muslims. When will you recognize that Islam is more a political movement than a religion? The followers simply hide behind the religion aspect. They have attacked Christians for 1,400 years and yet Liberals want to deny we are even at war. Wake up and smell the explosives!

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

I don’t use rhetoric to divide

Crying Out Loud,

What a freaking phony you are:

“San Francisco Democrat”: BAD WORDS

“America wants to kill all Muslims”: GOOD WORDS

You’re looking pretty “bad” right now.

By getalife

December 8, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

An answer for asking for an apology

These folks are nuts. Daddy tried to save w and they are bashing the people trying to help jr.

Amazing hatred spewing from the right.

By Buy Danish

December 8, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

catlady,

I think you’re solutions are, dare I say, a bit “extreme”. It does not surprise me that you are a Liberal.

By John D.

December 8, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

The liberals here write and think as though we suddenly decided to attack Muslims.

The Muslims began directly attacking this country over 25 years ago without a significant response from the US until 2002. Why is the US suddenly the bad guy?

How many more innocent American lives must be lost before people like “corrections” and “out loud” will recognize the threat? Would 10,000 do it for you? 100,000? A half million?

If we do not prevail in Iraq you can count on another attack in the US. Even if we do prevail there could well be another. At least we have them engaged over there and not here.

Our only immediate hope is energy independence. Cut off the money and cut off the war. We have the resources but are stopped by the environmental crowd from utilizing our assets. What good will all that do when your women are wearing burkas and there is no need for electricity since Islam forbids modern convenience?

By Dubious Corrections

December 8, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

John D.

I did not assert that despots supported were worse than the despots in power before them. I asserted that a person elected by the people is not, by definition, a despot. The U.S. has backed several coups against democratically elected leaders. Do I have any facts? That’s like asking me to prove that 1 + 1 = 2. The question I have for you is why don’t you know this? Read about Brazil, Argentina, and the other countries in South America whose elected leaders were toppled by U.S. backed coups over the course of the last few decades.

Regarding the Southern Baptist Convention, I don’t have to take the time to research their position because, unlike you, I stay informed. Yes, I’m well aware that their position (and obviously yours) is that in a marriage the woman submits only when there is disagreement on an issue (if they agreed on the issue, the point would be moot). What if a couple disagrees about whether to have intercourse? What if they disagree about whether the wife should work or stay at home? What if they disagree about who should do the chores or which chores to do? What if the couple disagrees about whether the wife can go to college? Is that your idea of putting women on a pedestal? Or, are you under the false impression that couple rarely disagree? I bet you are or will be quite a catch for some lucky lady.

Also — you fail to see how the Catholic Church’s “old tradition” of refusing to put women in leadership positions has anything to do with your assertion that Christianity puts women on a pedestal? I fail to see how you fail to see that.

Finally, you’re mistaken again when you say that this country was not founded upon Judeo-Christian ethics and the Ten Commandments as our basis for laws. We can lie, commit adultery, covet, take the Lord’s name in vain, worship other Gods or idols, ignore the Sabbath day and dishonor our parents – all without breaking any laws. Our country was founded upon on ideals related to liberty such as those specifically delineated in the Bill of Rights, including the freedom of religion. If want to live in a theocracy, you’re in the wrong place.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

The Iraqi Study Group release a second report today on Organized Crime. It concluded that “nobody did nuthin”.

A spokeman for the group, a certain “Big Louie” (R-New Jersey)then told reporters “if somebody spins this report wrong, maybe somebody dont feel so good, now get out o’heah”.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

There’s an HBO documentary on Kim Bassinger’s real life Panic Attacks. I’m looking at Kim Bassinger and she’s describing her emotions and I’m hearing and seeing my own wife, who aint no Kim Bassinger. The more Kim talks, the less attractive she seems, and finally I’m looking at Kim Bassinger and seeing my wife and my stupid marriage.

So then it’s true: The perfect woman never talks. Ever. Just stfu ladies. That’s all we want. s….tf…..U!

Think about it guys, has any woman ever said anything to you worth hearing? No. Do you care about what a woman is thinking? No. Is it necessary at all for her to talk? No.

Chinese mystery: if a woman is alone in the woods, with nobody around for miles, not even a squirrel, then is she still talking?

STFU!!!

Shut up. Shut up. SHUT UP!!! Dont care. Dont want to hear nuthin. Shut up. SHUT UP!

SHUT TF UP!!!!!!!!!

god shut up.

By Gil Gibson

December 9, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

I laugh at the predictions of a draft bu ‘07 or whenever, that the ISG was a ploy by Baker to give Bush an excuse for a draft. Truth: every conscription law this country ever had, except Lincoln’s, was passed by a Democrat Congress and signed by a Democrat President. No draft before January ‘09, if then.

By Political Foreskin

December 9, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

Gil: Try to analyze Iraq. Yesterday, Rummy said, “Iraq is stable. When a bomb goes off, everyone thinks the whole country is aflame, but if you fly over it, you see that’s not so, so yes, we are winning in Iraq and Iraq is winnable. The problem in Iraq is the media.”

And he’s the sec. of defense.

Iraq. Arbitrary borders. Cross border tribal links. Sunni conspiracies to regain the century of power they lost. Shia vows to never be the downtrodden majority again. Kurds coming off of a “no fly zone” provided Golden Age. Kurds are dug in and armed to the teeth.

Iraq is not a country, and never was. We put the word Iraq on a map, but the people on the ground were always living the ten thousand year old strife they’ve always struggled in without regard to western borders.

We can never leave now. We are trapped. We replaced Saddam Hussein, and with a draft, we can stablize the country as well as Saddam did. The civil wars will then return to the back burner (on simmer) that they were w/Saddam.

Then we go boldly into the future, our social security program, infrastructure upgrades, and educational reform money used to pay for our never ending occupation of Iraq.

If there is a global war on terror that exists beyond Osama Bin Laden’s vendetta against the Saudi Royal Family, then nobody has defined it. I can declare war on Iran myself and get a bunch of guys together to wave weapons around in my back yard and chant “death to iran”, but that’s hardly a global war on terror against Iran, see what I mean?

So then what? Iran is supposed to invade Turkey because Me and my Buds get drunk and shoot up my back yard?

That’s the same level of justification that Bush/Cheney have for invading iraq.

and now we’ve the devil to pay.

word.

By concerned middle class

December 9, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

This is currently on the AJC web site:

In what was likely her final legislative act in Congress, outgoing Georgia Rep. Cynthia McKinney introduced a bill Friday to impeach President Bush.

The legislation has no chance of passing and serves as a symbolic parting shot not only at Bush but also at Democratic leaders. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has made clear that she will not entertain proposals to sanction Bush and has warned the liberal wing of her party against making political hay of impeachment.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/USCongress/McKinneyImpeachment.htm

Yea, Cynthia McKinney is going to go away. Soon.

By Liberal Looney Tunes

December 9, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin meet Cynthia McKinney.

Cynthia McKinney meet Political Foreskin.

McKinney Introduces Bill to Impeach Bush

Together, wallowing in AJC excreta.

Firehose, anyone?

By Curly Girl

December 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Well, Lucko’s is closed for the weekend, so I’m here again.

I see that Wooten casts aspersions on my bastard love children (from my torrid affair with a cheesie enchilada or a Taco Bell bean burrito, I forget which, it was all over so quickly but great fun) @@, RW, and Bi Danish.

Jim says my not marrying their father puts them at a disadvantage. Well Mr. Wooten, all of them are extremely successful in the blog industry. None of them has settled down and had my grandchildren yet. although Bi and I got married on a recent trip to MA for a license and a trip to Alabama to have our union solemnized…

Incest is best, saith the Lord.

At least in Alabama. And Tennessee. And Mississippi - heck, in all of Dixie!

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 9, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Jim, I’ll say it for you - get a rope!

Hang that uppity nappy-headed Cynthia McKinney!

(A shout out to the Woo-ten KKKlanners from the Pope)

By Curly Girl

December 9, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

By the way, since Bi and I got married, the Sailor and I have decided to remain just friends (with benefits). After all, he’s not the marrying kind - his life, his love and his lady is the sea…

We never did have sexual relations. And there are no spots on this fat girl’s GAP dress - I clean up after myself!

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Diogenes was surprised by yesterday’s blogs. I anticipated an outcry against your suggestion of eugenics, but only two or three mentioned it in passing, and not a single one accused you of being the 21st Century Dr. Mengele. It’s sad that Americans seem unaffected when a responsible and highly paid member of our press proposes eugenics. I suppose that burying one’s head in the sand is simply a precondition for being a conservative. Y’all have been shilling for Bush for so long that you’ve lost all perspective.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 9, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Social workers, in this instance, wanted the child taken; supervisors, who’ve resigned, over-ruled. Bring back orphanages. And sterilize women and men who cause children to be born that they then harm, mentally or physically.

Dio, while Mr. Wooten and We (The Pope) rarely agree, We favor his approach. Within a generation, the redneck scourge on our Great Society and Planet Earth would be eliminated. We would turn the red states into a vast nature preserve, where the deer and the antelope play.

How American!

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Since you did not post new commentary today, I anticipated that the Tony Blair statement that “it was the duty of all immigrants to integrate into British society” would quickly become the topic du jour.

“‘When it comes to our essential values — belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal tratment for all, respect for this country and its shared heritage — then that is where we come together, it is what we hold in common.” Blair told invited guests at his Downing Street office.’

David Stringer, today’s AJC, p. A6.

Provocative stuff, that.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 9, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Gven the fundamentalist bent of the red states, the Pope favors a Sh’aria-type approach to the child-rearing abuses so prevalent in the red states, with their astronomically high rates of incest, bastardy, child abuse, and child neglect.

Start with cutting off the arms of parents that hit their children, and disabling their genitalia to prevent further procreation. Build a well in each town to throw the parents down that are sexually inappropriate with their children.

Other similar measures are subject to discussion.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

What are your thoughts on Margaret Sanger and Peter Singer?

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

While you’re at it Dio, what about the Planned Parenthood organization?

By Buy Danish

December 9, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

After you respond to RW’s question, perhaps you can explain to us what is “provacative” about Tony Blair’s statement.

Thanks in advance!

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

When you add my questions to yours we have Dio telling us about Sanger, Singer, & Stringer?

See how nice we’re being keeping her in the same section of the library!

By Markus

December 9, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Where are all the bedwetting buttplug liborats this morning? Recovering from a bad hangover with Cindy “Jihad Muhammadette” McKinney? Damn I miss being able to slap these libofreaks around during the weekdays. Anyway, I see we have some new libokooks on the blog. This is one of the more interesting back-n-forths between “Brandon” and “Thinking Out Loud” (or allegedly thinking anyway):

“Brandon at 4:00,

Your question was “…it’s not really Conservatives that support the un-Godliness in this nation, is it?” The answer to your question is no. It’s people who call themselves conservatives, but aren’t really, who support the un-Godliness in this nation (war, environmental destruction, adultery, divorce, human rights violations, death penalty, torture, greed, pride, gluttony, vanity, materialism, etcetera).

Not the discussion I wanted to have, but since you asked.

Oh wow. Here we have a limpwristed candyassed liberal telling an obvious fellow conservative that we cons are really the evil ones. Let’s analyze these one by one, shall we?

It’s mentioned in the bible to defeat the enemies of Jehova God, like those who want to saw the heads of those who aren’t muslim. Look it up libokooks. Debunked.

We have cleaner burning automobiles and factories and more stringent EPA standards than we did 25 years ago. The bible also said to go forth and spread and to eat the animals God put on the earth. Now, if one wants too talk about local environmental destruction by the incompetence of the demoncats running Fultoon County and constantly allowing sewage to be dumped into the Hooch due to jackass incompetence, that may be another matter. Debunked.

What about it? Just because a few Cons do it, doesn’t mean everyone does it. But it’s ok for demoncats to do it of course. After all, it’s a part of that “liberal enlightenment” establishment. Next up, bestiality.

Divorce is only shunned in the Catholic church. Nowhere in the bible does it say that a divorce can’t happen.

Human “rights” for whom? The islamobastards that want us killed? See #1. Debunked.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. It’s in the bible. Look it up libokooks. Oh yeah, and see #1 again. Debunked.

Torture is not having a snapping snarling German shepard two feet away from you. Torture is not taking pictures of naked people. Torture is not loud rap music to disrupt sleep (ok, for those in Buckhood, maybe that is torture). Also, see #1. Debunked.

Sure conservatives are weathly and want more for their families and themselves. But as the bible mentions, if you worship your materials more than Him, then you have a problem. The last time I checked, conservatives still went to church on Sundays instead of polishing their their Escalades and 22” spinner wheels. Debunked.

Conservatives are generally humble and low key. That’s why you libokooks say we are so boring in life (and in the sack… see #3). Unlike say Bill Clintoon with his fake marriage (see #s 3, 8, 9, 10). Debunked.

I’ll bet you there are more fatasses in lower income groups that vote demoncat than in upper-class residential areas who vote Republican. Not even close. See Ted Kennedy’s fatass. Debunked.

Ties in with #9. I don’t know many Conservatives, either in Washington or in any suburb, that are vain. Now for Hollywood kooks, John Effin’ Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and all those the arrogant holier than thou liberal jackasses, that’s an entirely different story. Debunked.

Back #8. So long as God is worshipped first, there’s not a problem with no matter how much you own. Now Duke Cunningham will have to address what he did with God. John Effin’ Kerry and his butler-making peanut butter & jelly sammiches on his wife’s $25m jet on the other hand, now that’s materialism.

Liberalism - indoctrinating one unused mind at a time.

By Curly Girl

December 9, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

As I related on Lucko’s blog earlier this week, I never knew I was pregnant with the triplets - @@, RW, and Bi, until I saw them swimming in my oversized toilet. I never knew that my one-night stand with my overstuffed bag of Taco Bell treats was going to result in motherhood until that very moment.

Honestly, as a single mother, it has been hard. If I had known, would I have made the decision to terminate my little adorables?

I thank the God of Sean Hannity, Dubya, and Bill Frist that I never knew that my intimate relations with a cheesie enchilada would lead to birthing triplets on an oversized toilet. Even a strong-minded KKKhristian such as myself would have been tempted to run like hell to a Planned Parenthood Clinic.

But look - the amazing contributions of @@, RW, and Bi Danish would have been lost to all of us, if I had been so selfish to abort them.

(I should have flushed. Twice.)

By Markus

December 9, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Here’s a quick little note on how much our resident libokooks on the demoncat left know about the history or our nation and especially it’s leadership.

The other day all the RATs were happy that Congress was going back to a five-day workweek in Washington.

Well, for those of you in Midtown who went to a city school run by a bunch of bedwetting candyassed liberals, our Founding Fathers wanted representation from states in the federal government at a minimal level. That means the majority of the time senators and representatives spent was to be for their district, NOT for the federal government. Clue: it’s not “Who is Washington’s Congressman in Georgia,” it’s “Who’s YOUR congressman in Georgia.” But it’s easy to see why our libokook demoncats get all confused on the matter. After all, the federal government should be the answer to everyone’s problems from cradle to grave.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Well, I’ve got to run out. I guess Diogenes was more interested in falsely accusing Mr. Wooten of advocating for eugenics than discussing people that really do.

I guess it’s that whole “protect your fellow travelers in the radical leftist movement” mentality that has paralyzed Dio’s keyboard.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

The only ones whining about our government actually having to work for the people are Kingston and macaca. Pathetic.

The first order of business will be to squash this outrageous spending passed in the gop final hours.

The gop have not learned one thing in their defeat.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Markus,

Our founding fathers also didn’t want Senators to be elected politicians. They were supposed to be the advocates for the State and appointed by the individual State legislatures.

The 17th amendment was the beginning of the end of our country as founded and really began the push to federalize everything.

By deegee

December 9, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

In today’s world of technology it is possible to run a 24 X 7 technology program where the customer and the hardware is in the Midwest U.S., system and software support is in India, network support is in the Western U.S., and system monitoring is in the Northeast U.S. So why are we doling out millions of dollars of expenses every year to a bunch of clowns that have offices and staff in Washington DC but don’t even show up there half the time. Why can’t they work out of their districts and go to Washington once a quarter.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

getalife,

They aren’t working for the people they represent when they spend no time in their districts. I want them here where I can keep an eye on them rather than in Washington stealing my money.

Have you guys reelected William Jefferson yet or are they going to wait and count the votes tonight?

Now I’m really leaving. As DebbieDumbA$$ might say, c u l8r.

By @@

December 9, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Was there anybody here who watched Diane Sawyer’s “North Korea: Inside the Shadows” last night?

I was stunned by how easily a people could be manipulated into thinking that their lives were abundant under Kim Jong Il.

When a young student was asked what were the great benefits of living in North Korea, he responded that “When you get sick, you can go to the doctor and pay nothing.”

That was it. Nothing else except the robotic babblings they repeat at the behest of “The Dear Leader”.

The Sawyer crew’s movements were restricted by government minders. They weren’t allowed to see sites such as these:

My classmates started dying during the summer of 1996. One girl spent her days by her dying brother’s bedside, going short herself so that he would have more to eat. She died before he did.

The famine encouraged the most selfish kinds of behaviour. My grandmother sold soya dishes and soups at home, a little trade that helped her to survive. I remember one father who regularly came to my grandmother’s house in secret to eat his fill far from the eyes of his family. Many parents left their homes in search of food, and most didn’t come back.

Skeletal children wandered through the waiting room. Some of them were very young: I remember kids of one or two who couldn’t even stand upright. They crawled on all fours on the filthy floor, picking up whatever they could with their black fingers.

The party cadres blamed “natural disasters”, the US and South Korea for the shortages.

The most confounding story was told by an 84 year old war veteran who had left North Korea to live in South Korea. His children had come to America. He had the opportunity to remain in S. Korea or come to America to be with his children.

He chose to return to N. Korea. He was so proud to show the suits which Kim Jong supplied for him.

The reason for his return? “Capitalism is bad he said.” He sacrificed any connection with his children because that little prick had convinced him that “capitalism is bad.”

Does this sound familiar to any of us here? It’s liberal socialism open to tyrranical communism. It reduced a society to Darwin’s theory.

Survival of the fittest, or the animalistic behavior of devouring your own.

It’s inconceivable to me that liberals would promote such potential atrocities.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Spitonlife-

How many 9/11 recommendations have the Pelosicommies backed down on from those “First 100 hours?”

Draining the swamp to replace with raw sewage…

By Markus

December 9, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

RW-

The horseass leftists here are nothing but a bunch of neoStalinists who’s God and religion is federal government, so perhaps we should drop that discussion. It may cause one or more of them to have an aneurysm… and that would be a damned shame.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

macaca,

My goodness, is it January yet? Lets wait until they take office and I will join you bashing the Dems if they do not do right by the people.

Business as usual is unacceptable and if there are no investigations, that will be the end of the Dems support.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Here’s what happens when you are raised to be a liberal demoncat waiting for the federal government to make decisions for you… priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDv6NdhH5ZY

By Markus

December 9, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

@@-

I didn’t see that, and that’s why I really don’t watch the neocommunists on broadcast news and CNN and PMSNBC. What these jackhole flocks don’t understand is that the very nations they put up on a pedastal like Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and NK would be the first to fire their @sses and prevent them from giving any news that wasn’t from the dictators themselves. No, nothing surprises me from those horseasses. They make me sick.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Spitonlife-

Here’s your reminder, again on the “leadership” of your people:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112901317_pf.html

Next up, Pelosicommie will show us all that a congressman from Louisiana who stashed $88,000 in his freezer is not really corrupt. Oh yeah, and I’ll bet those in New Orleans are sure glad the big massive Al Sore hurricane season didn’t come, and global warming is actually causing global cooling down there.

Draining the swamp to refill with sewage…

By @@

December 9, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Markus:

Your escalator video was too funny.

Sawyer and her crew were invited to tape inside a mall in N. Korea. They commented that there was nobody in there, save a handful of the elite (Kim Jong cronies assumed). All of a sudden, filming was not allowed. One of the crew made a fuss, but surrendered to the minders. I think they were afraid of being thrown into one of Kim’s gulags.

Here’s another representative of America’s liberal socialism.

ACLU Opposes Taxpayer-Funded Scholarships for Disabled, Foster Kids

Their real target is religion, and school vouchers. They’ll take away the individual’s (parents & disabled children) rights to accomplish that goal.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Macaca,

88 large is a drop in the bucket with the Katrina corruption going on down here.

Like Iraq, it is a money grab opportunity for the criminals.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

@@,

Looking at North Korea, I would think you would fight against taking American freedoms away but you do not seem to mind.

What’s up with that?

By @@

December 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Oops! Sorry here’s the ACLU link.

Out till later.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Jim,

I see that a couple of the harpies who guard your blog struck while I was out. According to them, you were not advocating eugenics. I know that their support comforts you greatly.

I also can tentatively say with assurance that you are not the 21st Century Mengele, but that you are just another conservative who contends that the best thing to do with human rights is to trample on them while you’re in power.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Our lightloafered white flag waving little candyassed frogs overseas, the French, thought it would be really liberal and cool of them to name a street after a Black Panther muslim cop killer from Phillie.

A house bill was drawn up to condemn the frog city’s decision to name a street after that thug.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll527.xml

You can guess which communist RAT from Georgia voted Nay on the matter, as well as how “yes-no-yes draftman” Rangel and “Max the Knife” Waters voted.

By Diogenes

December 9, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Is Bush’s xenophobia catching? Is Tony Blair now going to build a fence around England, a la George “Great Wall” Bush?

By John D.

December 9, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Dubious corrections,

Still out there? And I mean that in both ways.

Saddam was elected to office, by 100% of the vote each time as I recall, so would you call him other than a despot?

I said the basis for the laws in this country WAS the Judeo-Christian ethic and the Ten Commandments. Read the Federalist Papers (the writings of the Founding Fathers) for enlightenment. Also, as you enter the Supreme Court building (it is in Washington, D.C.) you look on the facade and you will see the law givers of the world facing toward the center at, drum roll please, Moses with the Ten Commandments. As you then enter the Court’s chamber you will see carved on the doors - the Ten Commandments.

Correstions, your arguments are false, shallow and without merit. By the way, take a theory of mathematics course and you will be able to prove 1+1 does not equal 2. You apparently have no knowledge of the Southern Baptist Convention, other than what you read in the newspaper, and for you to assert otherwise is clearly untrue.

Catholics either putting women in leadership or not doing so has nothing to do with whether Catholics exalt women and put them on a pedestal. Are you just a person who thinks every tradition should be changed simply because it is old?

At no time did I mention Theocracy nor did I ever suggest there should be a “State Sponsored Religion”, however I do believe the people who think as you do regarding Believers is becoming very boring. If, as so many Liberals wish to charge, the low approval ratings on the war indicates we should cut and run then I guess the converse holds that since the US is over 70% Christian then the others should leave. Is that not consistent with your philosophy.

Fortunately for the likes of you this is not a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic. You would be the sheep holding a vote with 2 wolves over what to have for dinner!

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Spitonlife-

“88 large is a drop in the bucket with the Katrina corruption going on down here.”

For once you and I are in agreement. Sort of. That wasn’t our bribe money he took, was it? But those losers from down there who sat on their fatasses in hotel rooms around this nation, squandered those $2,000 debit cards on booze, Gucci bags, and gambling, as well as those who (even some here in Atlanta) frauded the government out of or taxpayer dollars for their criminal greed and faking being a Katrina victim, have taken a lot more than some jackass congressman from Louisiana. Once socialist government teet suckers, always socialist government teet suckers. As it was stated, the ticks just moved to a different part of the dog.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

Deadgenes-

“Is Bush’s xenophobia catching? Is Tony Blair now going to build a fence around England, a la George “Great Wall” Bush?”

Protecting your borders from those that want to break OUR LAWS in getting here (and break our laws WHILE here) is not xenophobia. It’s called STANDING UP FOR OUR NATION. Not that Bush has doing a whole lot about illegal immigration recently or anything. You laydown pushover liberal candyasses make me sick.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

So macaca, I guess you are against the Iraqi people “government teet suckers”?

Talk about corruption and billions wasted but the biggest outage is the daily dying of brave Americans for nothing.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

John D.-

Well handled. You have to understand, which you probably do, that socialist bedwetting liberals believe that if you put a nativity scene or Christmas tree on public/government property, it’s bordering on shoving a Christian theocratic doctrine down everyone’s throats. But you have to remember that these are also the same people who say that state governments like Florida who ban women from wearing burqas while getting their driver’s license pics taken are acting “islamophobic.”

By Sophie

December 9, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten — The reason people find themselves in such financial messes is because we’re failing to teach life skill lessons in our public schools.

So much of what we teach is useless crap taught through rote methods encouraged by government run education programs.

If a person doesn’t have the common knowledge to protect themselves from the risk of foreclosure, the mistake was made before they signed on the dotted line. Either they didn’t learn the basics in school or the school failed to teach them.

How many of these foreclosures can be traced back to mortgage fraud? Maybe we’re teaching our kids how to become con artists instead of responsible citizens.

By Markus

December 9, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Spitonlife-

The difference between the Iraqis and our native slackassed losers is that the Iraqis WANT to succeed. I’d rather my money go to those who want to get off their @sses and better themselves than those who lay down their shovels and sit on their @sses. That also ‘splains why you see VERY FEW Katrina evacs working to rebuild down there, yet the Mexicans are swarming. Just so you know. Oh yeah, and don’t give me that “livable wage” bullsheeit. The jobs down there pay anywhere between $10/hr to $25/hr or more… hardly a non-livable wage that you neostalinists on the left b!tch about so much. NO sympathy for our own lazyassed amongst us.

By getalife

December 9, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

macaca,

The difference between the Iraqis and our native slackassed losers is that the Iraqis WANT to succeed

Yep, you are a failed American, an idiot and a traitor.

They are allied with Iran and killing Americans.

Just frigging pathetic.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

If you would debate with the people here instead of having your imaginary conversation with Jim you might learn something.

What Jim said is not eugenics, revered leftist Peter Singer advocates the euthanizing of “problem” babies up to a couple years old so as to improve the gene pool. Now that’s eugenics, what Jim said is to not allow people that harm there own children to have MORE children. Do you see the difference DIO?

Planned Parenthood began as a means to improve the gene pool, Margaret Sanger advocated selective abortion to improve the gene pool. Are you starting to see a pattern here?

By Markus

December 9, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Sh!tonlife-

I knew I’d get to you sooner or later. Despise you long time…

Ned

By Buy Danish

December 9, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

The truth is that the one person who came out in favor of a Eugenic solution here on this particular blog was Catlady, who is a self-described (proud) Liberal, and someone I took to task for these comments, and others -

By catlady/December 8, 2006 05:09 PM

Why was that woman allowed to continue having children she cannot care for properly? When we solve that problem (I am thinking drastic, China-like policy) we will begin to improve a whole lot that is a problem for our country.

It is the height of hypocrisy for Diogenes the Darwiniac to accuse Wooten (and by implication, us as “conservatives”) of the very things that are attached to her great hero’s theories.

The fact is that it was Charles Darwin’s theory of natural selection that inspired Darwin’s cousin, Francis Galtin, who first coined the term Eugenics. Moreover, Hitler used Darwinism to justify his practices, and Mengele was a Social Darwinist, as are Singer and Sanger, the Left’s heroes that you cited for her.

Her second fatuous argument of the day is that Tony Blair’s attempts to preserve Britain’s culture is “xenophobia”, an argument which is the equivalent of telling the Anglican Church that it is “xenophobic” to remain a Christian religion when it should be converting to Islam.

I am coming to the conclusion that in addition to being a Useful Idiot, Diogenes has the intelligence and intellectual honesty of the worms she wholeheartedly believes are our evolutionary ancestors.

By Dubious Corrections

December 9, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

John D.,

Please allow me to take a minute to explain why you’re an idiot.

First you imply that I believe that old traditions should be changed just because their old. Of course, I would never say or imply anything so ridiculous. To clarify –traditions (young or old) that are sexist, egocentric and wrong should be changed because they are sexist, egocentric and wrong. Old has nothing to do with it.

Of course, in addition to declaring the wives should be subservient to their husbands (SBC Baptist Faith and Message: “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband…”) the Southern Baptist Convention also holds a similar view as the Church in that women can’t serve as pastors. I know enough about the SBC to know that I will never join one of their congregations.

You’re also an idiot because you compared faux elections in Iraq under Saddam to free and fair elections in South America (later toppled by U.S. backed coups). It’s bad enough that you’re so ignorant about recent history, but the fact that you don’t seem to care is even more disturbing.

Another reason that you’re an idiot is that you made the comment that I believe we should “cut and run” because of Bush’s low approval ratings. I don’t believe we should “cut and run” (I support the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group), and I don’t believe any decision should be based on popularity. Your insinuation to the contrary is, once again, ridiculous.

The final indication that you’re an idiot relates to your comment that people who think as I do regarding Believers are very boring. You may be a “Believer”, but what you believe in is not Christianity (even if you call it that). You worship pride, war, materialism, greed, gluttony, vanity, selfishness, egoism and wealth. Everything you value is exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught. You focus on the sins of others, and you ignore your own. You use the Bible to incite war (Iraq and Muslims) and hatred (gay bashing and denigrating women) in the same way that “Believers” used the Bible to justify other “old traditions” such as burning heretics at the stake, genocide against the Indians, slavery, and segregation. Calling yourself a “Believer” doesn’t make it so.

As you said, we are a Constitutional Republic – not the Judeo-Christian theocracy you yearn for where laws are based on the Old Testament. So, put your cherry-picked Bible down for a second and read the Constitution – “Freedom of Religion” baby!!!!

In conclusion JD, your arguments are false, shallow and without merit.

Have a good weekend.

By RW-(the original)

December 9, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Greetings fellow harpie blog defender!

I’m worried about Dio, I believe she really thinks she is having a conversation with Jim. Maybe she has a lifesize Wooten cutout sitting across the library table that she keeps berating until she pulls a string that makes “Jim” nod his head in agreement with her.

When we keep interrupting her with reality it’s disturbing the fantasy.

As for “catlady,” I don’t really consider population control to be eugenics when it is applied across the board. Almost every time I’ve seen an advocate for eugenics it has to with “improving” on the species. A kind of forced Darwinism, which is strange that the Darwiniacs tend to be the biggest proponents of eugenics.

What if Darwinism was really true and they weed out the birth defect that was actually the mutant stepping stone to the newest evolution and thus ended mankind?

By @@

December 9, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

getalife:

I’m sorry, I just stopped in and saw your 12:55.

@@,

Looking at North Korea, I would think you would fight against taking American freedoms away but you do not seem to mind.

What’s up with that?

So you don’t think the ACLU is denying parents the freedom to send their disabled children to a school where they will be better served? I guess you think the ACLU knows what’s best for those kids. Speaking from experience, I can tell you they don’t.

What freedom have you lost getalife?

You can still go to a titty bar and slip a bill into the dancer’s g-string.

You’ll be hard-pressed to find a g-string under a burqah. And really…would you want to fork out money to gaze into a woman’s eyes only?

Come on. You haven’t lost anything but the money you “stuff down panties” at the bars, and you give that up WILLINGLY WITH A SMILE.

BTW, that money wasn’t mine was it? ;-)

By John D.

December 9, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Dubious,

Seemingly all Liberals must crawl down the gutter of assumption and name-calling for lack of ability to make a concise argument.

Your wholly false assertions as to my beliefs and worship are common for people who are incapable of constructive discourse.

There were also “faux” (Your word) elections in Central and South America.

There is nothing wrong with the traditions and beliefs of the Catholic Church. Not one person is required to attend or believe. Why do you care what others believe?

I did notice that not once have you responded when proved wrong, narrow-minded or exposed as nothing more than a small individual seemingly jealous of others who have a faith.

What happened to your position on the Ten Commandments? You have BEEN to Washington have you not? No? Well you should make the trip.

As for your diatribe on my beliefs, I have not printed one word here beyond the answers to your false characterizations of the Southern Baptist Convention and the Catholic Church. So at least you have an imagination, even if it is warped.

Do you post on dailykos.com? You should fit right in there. That site is composed of a group of profane, shallow, name-calling liberals.

And finally, you must have attended government schools.

By Buy Danish

December 9, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

RW,

I salute you fellow Harpy!

Granted, China does not utilize population control to create a “pure master race” or to artificially encourage “natural selection” and weed out the less fit from the fittest.

However, I think that Eugenics can be used in some respect to describe China’s draconian policies because its population control is not “applied across the board”.

Since the 1980s, China has enforced its one-child policy, with fines and forced sterilisations for those who break the law but the policy was always more lax for ethnic minorities than for the majority Han Chinese.

So in that sense, it seems to me that it is fair to say that there is manipulation of the “gene pool” going on - albeit with different intentions than what Margaret Sanger or the Nazis had in mind.

You are correct that it is unfair for me to put Catlady in this category since she did not advocate these ethnic distinctions (although I do think that some of her ideas can fairly be called “extreme” since she seems to be making a correlation between the number of children that one has with the fitness of the parents).

Catlady,

I apologize for lumping you in with the Eugenicists!

By Dubious Corrections

December 9, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Believer,

Who are you arguing with? Did I say that South America has not had faux elections at some point in history? I did not. If you want to argue that point, then you’ll have to find somebody who believes that.

Why do I care what others believe? More specifically, why do I care about false teachings of the Church and Southern Baptists? Because those false teachings often lead to humiliation, torture, destruction, poverty, and death. Those false teachings, especially in America, affect me and my loved ones, and they affect the whole world - negatively. That’s why I care what others believe.

If you prove me wrong, I will respond. That has nost happened, and is unlikely to.

I did not characterize the Church and the SBC. I specified facts about their positions on women. Facts are not characterizations.

What happened to my position on the Ten Commandments? What the hell are you talking about?

As far as my characterizations of you — you condone the teachings of the SBC, which means, I’m afraid, that my characterizations of you are accurate.

So long Believer.

By John D.

December 9, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Corrections,

You are obviously incapable of maintaining a train of thought, responding to your errors or much of anything positive.

The false teachings are those of Islam not the Baptists. You are misinformed and wholly inaccurate. Nothing my church teaches leads to humiliation, torture, destruction, poverty, or death. Only two people in History have offered to die for you, the American fighting man and Jesus Christ.

I have proved you wrong, the Ten Commandments are only one example, but you do not possess the integrity or acumen to recognize facts. You only present falsehoods as “facts”.

You have proved only that you are a bigot and all the false accusations against the organized religions of the world will not change that unassailable fact. Are you Muslim?

Do you have any evidence that a Christian or Jew strapped a bomb to their body and walked into a deli, restaurant or other public place with the sole purpose of killing innocents? No, you do not!

The good accomplished by the churches of this country extends far beyond anything your menial, little mind has the ability to grasp. Who consistently comes to the aid of disaster victims worldwide? The answer is The Red Cross and the many faith-based groups in the US. This help was extended to Muslims after the Tsunami, as well as anyone and everyone who needed aid.

You make all these spurious accusations without one fact to support your warped view of the world and Faith.

In one post you wrote of the “free and fair elections in South America” and in the next, after I called you out, you agreed there had been “faux” elections in Central and South America. You have presented nothing here other than your opinion and, as liberals are wont to do, always used scare tactics and falsehoods to support your position.

I will pray for you.

By Corrections

December 10, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

John D.

You wrote, “I have proved you wrong, the Ten Commandments are only one example, but you do not possess the integrity or acumen to recognize facts.”

I’m sorry, but you did not prove me wrong about the Ten Commandments (or anything else for that matter). You pointed out that the Ten Commandments are on the façade of the Supreme Court building. Are you under the impression that this is proof that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments? Either our laws are (and were) based on the U.S. Constitution which provides for freedom of religion or our laws are (and were) based upon the Ten Commandments (as you claim). Both ideas cannot be true. The two ideas are mutually exclusive since the Commandments include instructions to worship only one god, not to worship idols and to keep the Sabbath holy. If laws were passed requiring that these three Commandments be followed, then that wouldn’t be freedom of religion. Also, as I said, you can break eight of the Ten Commandments without breaking any laws. Do you possess the integrity and acumen to recognize these facts?

You wrote, “In one post you wrote of the “free and fair elections in South America” and in the next, after I called you out, you agreed there had been “faux” elections in Central and South America.”

You’re absolutely correct. I wrote of the free and fair elections in South American (some of which were toppled by U.S. backed military coups such as in Brazil and Argentina), and “after you called me out”, I agreed that there had been “faux” elections in South America (e.g. Cuba). Both statements are true; one does not contradict the other. Do you possess the integrity and acumen recognize these facts? You wrote, “Do you have any evidence that a Christian or Jew strapped a bomb to their body and walked into a deli, restaurant or other public place with the sole purpose of killing innocents?…all the false accusations against the organized religions of the world…The good accomplished by the churches of this country extends far beyond…Who consistently comes to the aid of disaster victims worldwide? The answer is The Red Cross and the many faith-based groups…” Focus JD. I spoke specifically of the Southern Baptist Convention, the Catholic Church and you. I did not attack all Christians, Jews, organized religions of the world (except those two), all churches (except those two) or all faith-based groups (except those two). I have no problem with Christians. However, the people who lead the SBC and the Church are not Christians – nor are SBC apologists (that’s you). You’re hypocrites, and you take the Lord’s name in vain every time you tell others that you’re a “Believer’. Stop giving Christianity a bad name JD. I can’t talk my wife into going to church with me because of people like you.

I don’t want your prayers. Pray instead for our troops and for the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis (especially Iraqi children) who died or suffered or will die or suffer because of President Bush (also a “Believer”) and his supporters.

By JohnD

December 10, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Dubious,

Once again you simply reconfigure your own words to support your argument.

You ascribe meanings to given facts and events that only the insane or marginally sane could support.

Your marital failings are of no concern to me but your false accusations on the subject of Faith are so warped as to be laughable. In fact you are laughable and pathetic.

Selah.

By JohnD

December 10, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Dubious,

One more thought, ok piece of advice.

I am afraid your Doctor is going to decide the computer is not the best therapy for you and you will be totally shut off from the outside world.

By Corrections

December 10, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

John D.,

Since I supported my arguments superbly in my earlier posts, I didn’t need to reconfigure my words to support my arguments in my latest post. I did, however, reconfigure my words so that any idiot (namely you) could understand. Clearly, I overestimated your analytical capabilities.

For your benefit, I will not ascribe any meanings to the following facts.

Fact: The U.S. backed, supported, and/or condoned military coups against leaders elected in free and fair elections in recent decades. (1954 - Guatemala; 1963 - Iraq; 1964 - Brazil; 1973 - Chile; 1976 - Argentina; 2002 - Venezuela).

Fact: Our laws have always been based on our Constitution which, in Amendment I, specifically includes the words “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”.

Fact The Catholic Church does not allow women to become priests, and the Southern Baptist Convention does not allow women to become pastors.

Fact Persons who referred to themselves “Christians” participated in or supported the following acts: burning “heretics” at the stake, hanging “witches”, murdering millions of Native Americans, instituting slavery and murdering to maintain slavery, murdering to maintain segregation and to prevent blacks from having equal rights, and working against women’s suffrage.

Fact: The Southern Baptist Convention includes the following words in it’s “Baptist Faith and Message”: “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband”

JD, you didn’t answer the question, “Do you possess the integrity and acumen to recognize these facts?”. Clearly the answers are no, no, no, no and no.

By John D.

December 10, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Dubious,

What have you to say about the following?

James Madison, the “Father” of our U.S. Constitution, said: “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, … We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for selfgovernment; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, … according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

So much for your assertion to the contrary! Much like everything you say, falsehood followed by falsehood, followed by warped opinion, and on and on and on.

I am now through with you.

By Corrections

December 11, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

Thank you for the misinformation JD, but James Madison never said or wrote that.

In fact, experts say that Madison’s writings in the Federalist papers contradict this falsified quote (fact). Madison was an outspoken proponent of the separation of church and state, and as President, he vetoed bills that would have recognized religious societies (fact). Here are a few links that might help:

http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/madisonconstitcom.html

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

http://candst.tripod.com/misq1.htm

You might also want to do a little research on the carvings on and in the Supreme Court building since, it turns out, you don’t know as much as you claim. I did some research, and here’s some of what I learned. First, the sculpture you referred to isn’t in the entrance, as you stated. It’s in the back facing East (fact). Second, the secondary figures are facing Moses, as you correctly stated. But, you forgot to mention that they’re also facing Confucius and Solon (fact). Finally, you also conveniently ignored that the sculpture inside the courtroom that contains Moses’ tablets also contains sculptures of several historical lawmakers from different civilizations (fact). In addition to Moses, this sculpture includes figures such as Confucius, Napoleon, Louis IV, John Marshall, Solomon, Sir William Blackstone — and don’t have a heart attack — Mohammed (fact).

You see JD, with a little help from Google, I was able to discover that you like to cut and paste false internet rumors while claiming direct knowledge. Apparently, you never read the applicable Federalist Papers or entered the Supreme Court building as you led me to believe. What does the Bible say telling lies?

Before I go, I want to apologize for the multiple labels of fact above, but you genuinely seem to lack the ability to discern fact from “falsehoods”. It appears, I’m afraid, that the Southern Baptists have successfully and thoroughly indoctrinated you (opinion). I hope the damage isn’t irreversible.