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DEL.ICIO.USThe end is near.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Georgians will go to the polls next Tuesday to elect a member of the Public Service Commission, the five-member body that regulates the utility companies. The runoff pits Chuck Eaton, a Republican, against incumbent David Burgess, the Democrat. A runoff is unpopular is some quarters because it’s costly and in many cases, relatively few voters bother to go back to the polls. “It costs the county and the state large amounts of money to have less than 5 percent of the electorate vote,” the director of the Muscogee County Office of Elections and Registrations told the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer newspaper.
But whatever the cost and however few voters turn out, I’d never do away with runoffs, especially in general elections. An office-holder ought to have the support of a majority of those who go to the polls. I’m also not bothered by a low turnout. If people haven’t bothered to educate themselves about the candidates or issues, I’d just as soon they stayed home.
On other elections-process fronts, we return briefly to the issues of electronic voting and photo ID. State Sen. Cecil Staton, a Macon Republican, is proposing a constitutional amendment to make clear the General Assembly’s authority to require voter ID. The outcome of a Congressional race in Ohio, finally decided this week, clarifies the need to make sure voters are legit. In the Columbus-based district in central Ohio, incumbent Rep. Deborah Pryce, a Republican, defeated Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy by 1,055 votes. The county election board in Columbus reviewed almost 21,000 provisional ballots and rejected 2,600, primarily because they were cast by voters who weren’t registered or who were voting in the wrong precinct. Pryce, a seven-term incumbent, was one of those whose race was affected by the U.S. Rep. Mark Foley fallout. She had described him as one of her best friends.
Georgia Secretary of State Cathy Cox, discussing this year’s elections as part of a Washington panel, cautioned against making the paper receipt the official ballot for electronic voting. She says they’re not always reliable because paper machines jam. I don’t distrust electronic voting. But the paper backup reassures — and as with the runoff, the cost is a small price to pay to maintain the integrity of the elections process.
Comments
By Mid-South Philosopher
November 30, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
I believe in the progress of technology. In fact, I am a radical “technocrat”…even to the point of considering the possibility that we should no longer waste time by teaching children handwriting beyond some sort of signature unique to each one. Keyboarding (with age appropriately sized keyboards) would be a more utilitarian way of teaching writing.
That being said, the one area that I feel we need to keep the hand action involved in is voting.
I know my friends and adversaries on the blog are going to have a field day, but I would like to go back to the paper ballot. Mark’em, drop’em in, and let the election workers (supervised by party poll watchers) count’em.
To me, the franchise (voting) is a metaphysical (almost mystical) experience. It should not be left to a machine.
NO, it is not going to happen, but that is the way I feel and I have had my say!
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Here again, I wonder at your level of chutzpah Jim. How can you, a supposedly learned man, even crook your little finger to type something so ridiculous. If out of 21K votes, 2.6K are rejected, not because of voter fraud, (dead people voting, double voters, etc); but from unregistered voters, (and you have to ask the question how the people at the polling precinct missed that!), and voters voting at wrong precincts; then this basically defeats your assertion about voter fraud, not supports it. duh!
By Jim Wooten
November 30, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Morning, Philosopher, and others to come. I wouldn’t object to going back to a paper ballot, either. While I’m reasonably comfortable with electronic voting, I don’t think there was a significant problem with paper, lever or fill-in-the-bubble systems, except that voters tended to lose interest and pass up down-ballot races. I say again, if voters aren’t familiar with the issues or candidates, they shouldn’t vote.
By jbmlaw
November 30, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. The opposition to photo ID confounds me. I think our leftist friends who oppose the idea – they are the only ones in opposition - have offered one partially valid argument, the disparity between the requirements for absentee voting and appearing at a polling center. The photo id is a crucially important requirement for voters appearing at the precinct. It is less necessary for absentee since those must have notarization, which will always be subject to the normal notarization standards. I am not now a notary, but when I was, I did not notarize anyone I did not know personally; I think notaries are traditionally pretty reliable. If we abandon the notarization requirement we certainly should require photograph there also.
The paper receipt is a good idea. Like the paper receipt for ATM machines, there is nothing that guarantees that the transaction is posted correctly, and like ATM receipts most people would never even look at the printout. But it is still a comforting piece of paper. I respectfully disagree with my friend the Philosopher; I prefer to trust machines programmed to count rather than people, because people make more mistakes.
Meetings all day, I’ll read all of your arguments tonight.
By harold
November 30, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
With the printouts for the electronic voting, at least you can see when the printers make a mistake. It amazes Harold that Cox would say printers ain’t the way to go because the technology is imperfect. UMMMMMMMMMMM.
Anyhow of course runoffs should be done away with. They are an insane waste of money. Instead of voting for one candidate per office, we should vote a rank/order for each candidates. If nobody gets 50%, the candidate with the lowest number of “#1 rank” votes is excluded and the “#2 rank” votes from those ballots are promoted to #1. If still nobody has more than 50%, recurse. Of course, this might disenfranchise Republicans who all seem to be very bad with numbers.
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this
The photo id is a crucially important requirement for voters appearing at the precinct. It is less necessary for absentee since those must have notarization, which will always be subject to the normal notarization standards
Hint: Notaries commit fraud too, (in case u didn’t know that).
By Curious Observer
November 30, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
A paper receipt is a vote-buyer’s dream come true. How better to gain proof that a person has voted the way you paid him to vote than to require him to show you a paper receipt? And how better to enable a coercive husband to dominate a wife’s voting than to convey a paper receipt recording her vote? A return to a paper ballot is the solution to the host of problems associated with paper receipts from voting machines.
I have no problem with requiring a photo ID for voting—provided, and only provided, that the same requirement goes for absentee voting. Right now, there are absolutely no checks on absentee voting, which tends to benefit traveling conservatives. I find it curious that the advocates of photo ID for poll place voting somehow ignore absentee voting, where the greatest abuse occurs. Yet, our legislature refuses to consider ID requirements for that method.
Until I see an accompanying demand for photo ID for absentee voting, you can count on me to oppose photo ID requirements at the polling place. I will continue to see this groundswell as merely a subterfuge to undermine voting rights for the poor and minorities. What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Looks like Andy has gone off his meds again over at Mike’s blog and shut it down.
He will bring his crap and try to shut down this blog.
sigh/rolls
Looks like stay the course in Iraq. W is still going ahead on the North American Union without Congressional approval. Allowing foreign countries to buy the airlines like the ports deal. No plan for Iraq.
Your right Jim. The end is near.
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Forget it, Debbie, Jim’s rolling. (besides, he was in pre-med).
I dont know why a show of hands wouldn’t work at the polls on election day. It worked for the 13 colonies, and that’s good enough for me.
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Getalife, you’re Andy’s best supporter. Andy is all you talk about, and you herald his every move. stfu. idiot.
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
Liberals dont support Voter ID because Liberals have more bad hair days than Neo-Newts who dont have any hair by definition. It’s a matter of style. Who’s in favor? Show of hands…. SLAP!
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Paper Ballot and Paper Receipts wont work: Diebold owns and manufactures the world’s supply of disappearing ink. I hate to shoot down every idea for fair polling, but I gotta be me and do the right thing and tell what I know. (diebold makes the doomsday clock too).
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
I agree with Jim, if one is completely unaware of whom one is voting for - e.g. judges or other obscure county/state posts then don’t vote. My wife and I will cheerily pop out on Tuesday and vote GOP. Any opportunity to dump a demoNcrat is worth the effort.
Obviously this raises the issue of how educated and politicially aware should the electorate be … given the big eared Texas dwarf’s shameful, spitefully narcissistic intervention that cynically allowed a corrupt Arkansas rapist to twice unconvincingly (i.e. well under 50% of the total vote) win a presidential election much of the electorate on occasion is clearly neither aware nor very responsible.
I see crackpipe debbie is now an expert on notaries. Given that in GA virtually the only qualification to become one is that one is still breathing and has the money for the state fees crackpipe’s point is unsurprisingly quite an obtuse/obvious one.
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
Debbie, it was reliance on the notary-level standards of verification that led us into the Iraq War. How dare you question it? HOW DARE YOU?
By advisor
November 30, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
You are correct getalife and ifonlyIhadabrain, the end is near, the end of freedom and democracy in the usa. The dual war’s on drugs and terrorism has given cover to the jackbooted thugs passing for police to kick in doors at 3 am on trumped up charges, and murder elderly home owners. The thugs passing as cops lie all the time to cover their murdering butts, and not just about traffice accidents. They sell their badges to private business in order to cheat ordinary citizens out of their property. I park in downtown Atlanta in a prepaid parking lot, with assigned area’s of parking. A few years ago, a private group rented space in that lot, and hired a off duty atlanta cop to reserve the best spaces for that group’s trucks. The parking lot had not agreed to this reservation system, and the monthly parkers sure as hell hadn’t, yet this ivejustsoldmybadge piggy threatened to tow away any regular customers who parked in the “reserved” spaces. I came within seconds of wasting that pig, but fortunately my meds kicked in, and I just told the parking lot attendent what was going on, and she authorized me to park in another area. The parking lot attendant than confronted the ivejustsoldmybadge piggy, and ordered them to leave her parking lot. I don’t know how it all ended, as I had to go to work, but my glock 40 was locked and loaded in my glove compartment, calling to me to ensure truth and justice in pig city.
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
The subject of the day is run-off elections and electronic balloting, but we’ll get to those later. There’s a couple of interesting developments in the AJC this morning to which I would like to call your attention. One headline claims that an officer involved in the shooting death of Kathryn Johnson has a previous history of “misrepresentation” (to use a conservative euphemism) of “facts” in a case. This case gets messier and messier.
The other has to do with the Massachusetts v. EPA case being heard by the Supreme Court. My best guess is that the Court will split along party lines, which recalls our discussion of a few days ago about how patently unfair to we the people it is to have Presidents stack the Court with cronies rather than appointing competent jurists. One interesting aspect of this is that the EPA still questions the reality of global warming. I guess half of Florida will have to be covered by rising oceans before the Bush Administration and its minions acknowledge the reality of global warming. How soon can we get these yahoos out of office before they do permanent damage?
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Debbie, it was reliance on the notary-level standards of verification that led us into the Iraq War. How dare you question it? HOW DARE YOU?
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Please stop making me laugh!! Someone will come on the blog and insist I’m being unpatriotic, not supporting the troops and/or helping AlQuadea (sp) in their terror campaign!
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Twisted Sister Truth: You LIE truth!!! You don’t have a wife!!! Stop your lying!!
By Van
November 30, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Diogenes,
Whine, whine.
Stack the court with cronies and not competent jurists - what a crock. Can you name me one President, in modern times, that did not appoint judges to the highest court that leaned toward the Presidents views?
I know you can’t.
Re: Global warming (yawn!) - yes, we all know it is a cyclic item and not a man made dooms day scenario. - this from the level headed point of view. And by the time Florida is underwater, we will have intergalatic travel and non-human aliens for neighbors.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Twisted Sister has a significant other, a sick little poodle that shares its bed with the twisted one. Need I say more?
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
I see this twisted advisor thug has slithered back out from under its rock … shame you didn’t run into Nicholls on his murderous rampage - you’d have gone crying to the “pigs” for help then. The cops have an appalling job to do in much of metro Atlanta with so much crackhouse, carjacking, mugging, drug dealing, driveby shooting, robbery, rape and murder etc crime. And they are seriously underpaid for their efforts.
Any yellowbellied blowhard can emptily boast on a blog about “almost wasting a cop” - and for the most pathetic and selfish/stupid of reasons too.
Still at least your sick honesty shows you up for the nasty evil cowardlyturd you are.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
crackpipe debbie wants a wife but can’t ever have one (after the operation)… huge I hate leftist cyber sluts smirk
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
Van (1021)
Your comment, “Can you name me one President, in modern times, that did not appoint judges to the highest court that leaned toward the Presidents views?”
QED
By Bemused Humanist
November 30, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
How ironic that right-wingers who normally disparage Big Government’s ability to do just about anything pretend to believe that it could effectively issue voter IDs to every citizen entitled to one.
Georgia has 159 counties, many of them with large poor, elderly, minority populations. Many of these citizens don’t have drivers licenses and don’t have any way to get to the county seat to get their ID. They would be disenfranchised by this unnecessary law.
One estimate placed the number of Georgia citizens who would not have access to voter IDs in the hundreds of thousands should this law be implemented..
All of this to combat voter fraud which has not been proven to exist in anything more than small numbers. The small amount of voter fraud that has been discovered in Georgia tends to be in absentee ballots, which are not addressed in the current law. The law doesn’t address absentee ballots for one reason – the people who use them tend to vote Republican.
The whole voter ID effort is a thinly-veiled effort by right-wingers to disenfranchise the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the minority voters who are less likely to vote for their radical agenda. Why else would anyone try to pass a law that would disenfranchise thousands of citizens to combat a virtually non-existent problem?
The latest right-wing legislator’s attempts to get a state Constitutional amendment is just another episode in this state’s long, despicable history of minority voter suppression. Watch him raise the “illegal alien” bogeyman (illegals don’t vote; they are so afraid of authority that they don’t even report being victims of crime), and condemn the interference of “activist” judges (when data have shown that the Supreme Court judge most likely to overturn duly-enacted legislative statutes is Clarence Thomas.) Just another attempt to stir up fear and hatred in white Georgians with myths and outright lies. After all, appealing to baser instincts of white Georgians has worked so extremely well in the past.
The Georgia voter ID statute is a racist abomination dressed in White Citizen Council garb instead of Klan robes. I only wish its supporters would be honest enough to admit the truth, which is that the radical right-wingers who now run Georgia politics want to make it as difficult as they can for Those People to exercise their right to vote.
By Richebacher
November 30, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
It has become customary in the United States to speak of “asset-driven” economic growth. “Asset-driven” is, of course, a euphemism for bubble-driven, because it requires particularly large rises in asset prices. Many modern economists consider asset-driven growth a valid alternative to the traditional growth pattern, nowadays called “income-driven” economic growth. Mr. Greenspan gained high regard in the late 1990s for nourishing the rising stock values that provided such a massive “wealth effect” and, therefore, such a massive boost to consumer spending. Plainly, this inspired him to subsequently nourish the housing bubble. A new, indirect and apparently more efficient method of stimulating consumer spending through intermediation of an asset bubble was invented. It seems to have two great advantages. Rising asset prices can boost “wealth” much more quickly than income growth, while also providing facilities with high leverage. But if these are advantages, they cannot be regarded in isolation. For obvious reasons, the bullish publicity concentrates on the two best-looking statistical aggregates as the key measures of economic performance. That is, real GDP and productivity growth. As a rule, they are in line with what people actually experience in the incomes they earn and the prices they pay in the shops. But this time, there is an unprecedented gross discrepancy between the very good looks of these two aggregates and what they experience in actual life. It is an open secret there is extensive statistical spin.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Getalife,
Andy is at his hilarious best today.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Twisted time, my knife, your back, my clockwise twist.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRant,
Can I assume that you are not joining the chorus of KOS kids who want Ann Coulter thrown in jail for allegedly showing up at the wrong precinct and not voting?
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Not on topic, but who cares?
Diogenes,
But the left has very little interest in the wider world these days except as a vast cast of extras for the moral vanity of their bumper-stickers (“Free Tibet”, etc). And, as for community, in the great Cult of Self-Esteem in which our children are immersed from kindergarten there’s never any consideration given to the question of collective self-esteem – of whether we should find time amid our hectic schedule of esteeming ourselves also to esteem our society, our civilization, our cultural inheritance.
As I’ve been saying.
And I might add, too busy damning WalMart
By getalife
November 30, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
BD,
I think the AJC is tired of him posting after hours.
We know how you “neonuts” love to break the rules.
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Concerning the whole fol-de-rol about voter ID, let me suggest that you review an editorial written by Oregon’s Secretary of State and appearing in the AJC on November 22, page A19. Mr Bradbury claims that Oregon uses a “vote by mail” system, the results of which are that Oregon has one of the highest voter participation rates in the country and that their “system has proved to be fraud free.” Sounds to me as if there is something there which needs to be explored by members of the Georgia legislature and by the AJC’s editorial board before Senator Staton runs us down that well-traveled path again.
I’m with you on run-offs. Let’s keep them.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
The Georgia voter ID statute is a racist abomination dressed in White Citizen Council garb instead of Klan robes. I only wish its supporters would be honest enough to admit the truth, which is that the radical right-wingers who now run Georgia politics want to make it as difficult as they can for Those People to exercise their right to vote.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA … still LMFAO … HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
bewildered humanscum has won the enforced deportation to Cuba prize for the most hysterically funny unhinged leftist racebaiting hissy fit bollocks of the week
I love it when these marxist twonks completely go round the twist!!
BUSH STILL HAS TWO MORE YEARS … HUGE SMIRK
By getalife
November 30, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
By Political Foreskin Getalife, you’re Andy’s best supporter. Andy is all you talk about, and you herald his every move. stfu. idiot.
I am the anti-Andy and rule both blogs.
Do not tell the ruler to stfu.
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRant,Can I assume that you are not joining the chorus of KOS kids who want Ann Coulter thrown in jail for allegedly showing up at the wrong precinct and not voting?
Danish Cow: What does KOS mean? And if Ann doesn’t wish to vote, that’s her civil right, (besides she probably didn’t want to mess up her hair).
Twisted Sister Truth: Stop ya lying heifer!!! U know u don’t have a spouse!! no sane woman in america, no the WORLD, would let u kiss her!! eeeeewwwwww!!!
Debbie throwing up in the sink from the visual of anyone putting their lips on Twisted Truth
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
The Dixie Chicks cancelled another concert date and that fact alone emboldened a freshly mandated W to send more US troops 2 Iraq.
As the Dixie Chicks go, so goes the war. (Baker’s Iraqi Study Group’s conclusion, recommendation, peace plan, and war strategy. (and ‘08 campaign slogan)
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
BUSH STILL HAS TWO MORE YEARS … HUGE SMIRK
LETS PRAY HE CAN STAY SOBER Huge leap of faith……
By getalife
November 30, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Yes lies,
Unless impeached, he has two more years to destroy this country. You are a traitor and will be deported immediately.
Back to England, you illegal immigrant wanker. Even the people in your country hate w.
Supporting the worst President ever is a mental illness. Seek help in England loser. We will not pick up your illegal tab.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Diogenes,
This is a blog that relies on peoples opinions or discussion of ONLINE articles. We don’t all hang around libraries looking for hopeful monsters, so if you would like us to look at this article that claims to prove that voting by mail is impervious to fraud—a premise so ludacris on it’s face it hardly seems worth the trouble of reading—you’ll need a link instead of telling us what page of the print edition an old article was on.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
HEE HEE HEE … the pinko filth are losing it big time today - goading these treasonous RACIST cut and run scum is even easier than getting the humongously fat lecherous bastard Taylor who just got absolutely hammered by Perdue to sweat in Atlanta in August.
crackpipe ho debbie needs to massively increase that court ordered castration treatment - it aint working lovey … and your endless obsessive cyber stalking jealousy of my wife shows just how anal and sick you are.
go choke on a greasy sicilian pizza you illegal Mexican immigrant maggot brain.
BUSH HAS TWO MORE YEARS!!! — huge I hate lefties smirk
BTW crackpipe - I have had this post notarised by your younger sister … she hates you even more than your dog does!!
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Go long, go strong, or cut and run?
US presence is completely irrelevant. Have we saved anyone over there? We haven’t even taught anyone the missionary position, for pete’s sake.
To say that a civil war ruined Bush’s plan is equally foolish. We now know that Bush planned as far as the photo-op on that carrier back in ‘03.
I like W’s homeland security plan: find the internet porn users without a warrant. Why doesn’t anyone object to Bush’s plan to spy on American Citizen’s googling habits?
Bush didn’t catch any cowardly terrorists, they only found the pruriently curious-yellow.
If I could describe a hell worse than Bush’s world (as he doesn’t see it), then I’d be the greatest writer that ever lived.
Dante described a Disney Land compared to what exists in BushWorld.
By Mrs. RepubLady
November 30, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
I am so proud of the way you fine conservative Americans are knocking the tar out of these spineless, lazy, lying pinko hypocritters today. Nice work Time for Truth. Your daily use of crack smoking references is beating down there spirit. Soon they will all commit suiside, Praise the Lord! Let them burn in hell. And I don’t care what anyone says, we never get tired of your huge smirks! They are not stale at all, they are as lovely as you are. Keep it up, Brother Truth!
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Did you have an opportunity to read Jay Bookman’s editorial today? I commented above about the fraud perpetrated on we the people when the President packs the Supreme Court (all the Presidents “in modern times” as Van contributed at 1021). Seems that Mr. Bookman is concerned about the same problem locally: “But some Republicans apparently aren’t willing to respect the will of the people. Unable to convince Georgians to elect their handpicked candidate, they are eyeing a change in state law that would let Perdue pack the court with two new justices of his own choosing.” Link: http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/bookman/index.htm
In theory, the Supreme Court (whether state or national) should be free of bias). As Mr. Bookman says it: “Officially, court races are nonpartisan in Georgia, on the theory that justice and the law are not subject to partisan ideology.” Never was, never will be. We the people are cheated when the courts express ideology. Hope you’ll take time to read Mr. Bookman’s editorial. It’s very interesting.
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Twisted Sister Truth: Jealous of your spouse?!? Puhllleaazzzee! I feel sorry for her, (if what u say is true, that someone in their right mind actually married u, which is highly debatable).
BTW crackpipe - I have had this post notarised by your younger sister … she hates you even more than your dog does!!
My dog, (yo mama), may hate me, but she’s such a lovely little b*tch that I just keep her around anyway.
Someone kissing Twisted…eeeeewwwww!
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Here’s my plan for fixing our post 911 world: the USA starts demanding the surrender of Osama Bin Laden. Daily. Loudly. Lets make pests out of ourselves. We send all of our troops to afghanistan and wipe out the taliban, and of course al queda.
We confront Pakistan to push the Al Queda cave dwellers back into Afghanistan, where we’ll be waiting.
We let Iraq have the civil war they want to have, not the civil war we want them to have.
If Iran moves to join in the civil war, let them. Wouldn’t it be great if they had to pay for the hell we’ve created? It would break them and their banks. Why do people think that Iran can do any better than the US? Iraq would bleed Iran dry as surely as we bled the soviet union dry with our arms race.
By Van
November 30, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Diogenes ,
Yes, it is standard practice and not stacking the court with cronies - you come off like a leftie whiner.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
back to more serious matters … someone mentioned Free Tibet stickers earlier.
Perhaps our lefty cut and runners would tell us if they would screech like demon obsessed banshees if Bush decided to Free Tibet (a redundant question I know) … after all that is the ONLY way that Tibet can be freed - by being physically liberated from oppressive imperialist Chi-com rule. The same murderous Chi-coms who illegally funded the Arkansas predator sick Willie’s re-election.
Clearly Tibet will never be free - as the US won’t invade Tibet - and no one else has the capacity (let alone the political will) militarily to do it … but the point is an entirely valid one. Lefties emptily and noisily sloganise with moronic slogans that have NO meaning or credibility.
We in Reagan Country have two years of empty noisy cowardly pinko sloganising and leftist screeching to endure before normal GOP swervice is resumed.
Doubtless the arrogant preening narcissist Dick Gere would tell us that Tibet’s fate was just a spot of karma for centuries of imperious cruel rule by haughty Tibetan Lamas.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Jim,
I have always enjoyed going to the polls to cast my ballot and see no reason other than cost to do away with runoffs. Unlike you, I really don’t see a problem with a winner gaining less than 50% of the vote in a multi-candidate race, it seems a threshold of about 40 to 45% would be sufficient because a runoff from a race that had a few fringe candidates rarely changes the result. Very few of those fringe supporters show up on runoff day and the stampede effect tends to strengthen the lead candidates support base.
That being said, what are your thoughts on instant runoff voting? It seems to be a pretty decent alternative and even though it’s being promoted as some wishful thinking by leftists that it could have gotten Gore elected in 2000, (which you’ll see if you follow the sample in my link) it would almost certainly have spared this country the horror of the Clinton administration.
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Gee, RW, I thought eveyone who used this blog had a subscription to the AJC, except Jim Wooten, and perused it thoroughly and thoughtfully before making a contribution to the topic or topics of the day.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
it would almost certainly have spared this country the horror of the w administration
Fixed that for you RW so you can get real.
By Van
November 30, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Diogenes,
Like the US Supreme Court nominees, I am sure that the Georgia Legislature would vet anybody selected for the Court.
The problem here in Georgia, is who really knows anything about anyone running for the position. Who amoung us would even know the right questions to ask a candidate.
It appears the current method used by Congress seems to be good enough for the Nations highest court, maybe Georgia needs to follow that example.
Oh, and by the way. A strict interpretation of the Constitution is bad for the people - How?
By advisor
November 30, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this
Given the intellectual level of the right wing biggots on this blog, I am going to throughly enjoy making you all my slaves in the near future - you can sign all you want as you pick my cotton, and cut my tobacco plants. What you will not be allowed to do is read, or write, or teach any of your children to read or write. There will be daily beatings by moi, just for the fun of it. Even now I am working toward this end, by selling my dollars for euro’s, yen, gold, and silver. The day the dollar dies, you right wing biggots will have to work for food, my table scraps in exchange for 15 hours of back breaking labor seven days per week, and regular beatings.
By Redneck Convert
November 30, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
I say go ahead and make Those People show photo ID, if they have to be allowed to vote. It won’t make no diffrence to me. I’ll still go up to Rome to vote, and then come back to vote here in Forsyth Co. too. The only diffrence will be I have to show my drivers lisense in both places. By voting twicet, I cancel out the vote of two of Those People.
Anyway, we are having a runoff here too. Joe Bill got about half the votes of the guy that paid 20 bucks per vote, but that guy didn’t get half the total vote. So for just 5 bucks per vote, Joe Bill gets a second shot. Because somebody that paid 2 bucks per vote got enough votes to force a runoff.
Joe Bill would sure like to see a paper reciept for voting. He thinks some of the folk that takes his money ain’t really voting for him. With a paper reciept, he’d have proof before he forks over the money.
Well, it’s back to the beer run for me. I hope Wooten will do a better job of keeping people on topic today. I see Clinton and war and Reagan and just about everything else popping up.
Remember, vote early and often. And keep a photo ID around just in case.
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Mr. Bradbury’s editorial did not appear on line that I know of. Here’s the link to an overview of Oregon’s vote by mail system via the state website.
http://www.sos.state.or.us/bbook/state/elections/elections.htm
The editorial praised the system in such glowing terms that I would like for Georgia legislatures to consider it before we beat the ID dead horse anymore. It appears that Oregon requires its ID on the front end — at registration, then all registered voters are sent a ballot. Like you, I’m curious how they prevent fraud.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
getalife,
I’ll thank you not to meddle with the integrity of my posts.
Diogenes,
Maybe you need a little internet education. Many posters on these blogs aren’t even in Atlanta. I’m not sure that holds true for Thinking Right, but it does for several AJC blogs. Even on my little blogs we get visitors from all over.
Even if people had read the print edition, not many of them would have some obscure op-ed from over a week ago lying around. Your bitterness is really clouding your ability to converse here, you should really get over your obsession with me and try to think up something moderately coherent to say.
I’ve got an idea for you! Since every week you scold us with Bookman’s latest screed, why don’t you find out why he doesn’t have a blog and report back to us. jbookman@ajc.com will get you started.
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
Van (1152),
It’s a problem however you do it. Campaigning requires an ideology just as much as getting through a Democratic or Republican Congress. I tend to be a little more comfortable with voting for a candidate than I do with Governorial appointment. I certainly am totally uncomfortable with any nominee which Bush would offer. On the other hand, I suppose that he must nominate someone who will pass through a partisan Senate. I think we the people are cheated by the process. Don’t now what the proper reforms would be. As I said, campaigning for the position is inherently partisan.
I’ll bite. Why would we not want: “Oh, and by the way. A strict interpretation of the Constitution is bad for the people - How?”
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
RW, see my post at 1157.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
Jim Wooten is not good enough to even carry Mr. Bookman’s jock strap, let along compete with him on an intellectual level.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Good grief Diogenes,
Does someone have to do everything for you?
It seems that the proof of no fraud is that Bradbury says so and that they verify signatures. How exactly does that stop a mass campaign of signing up fraudulent voters and keeping a cross reference of who needs to sign or forge the signature on the ballot? It’s not like their election workers are trained forensic handwriting analysts.
For that matter how does it stop ballots from never being delivered through mail fraud?
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
See my post at (whatever time it shows up)
I obviously didn’t see your 11:57 before I posted at 11:59, not that your 11:57 really advances your premise that the mail is impervious to fraud anyway.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
November 30, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
Let’s face it - it’s redneck trash that elected our state government, and it’s redneck trash that will keep them in power.
Naturally, Goobernor Sonny and the filthy stumpbroke rednecks in the Georgia legislature want to make it easier for redneck vote fraud through absentee balloting and harder for minorities to vote in their precincts.
That’s the political plain truth of the situation - that these silly rednecks have been able to convince you clodhoppers like jbm, tftt/tommy, Van and the rest of the Woo-ten Kkklan that it has something to do with voter fraud is not surprising, since all of you are box of rocks dumb as dog squeeze.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
getalife, I’ll thank you not to meddle with the intellectual dishonesty of my posts.
Fixed it again.
As a member of the reality based community, get real RW.
I am seeing a lot of whining from the “right losers”.
I guess we will need to get use to it.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
WOW… now this aggressive leftist dolt wankvisor after murderously talking of gutlessly killing a cop for no reason is now obsessing on fantasy jockstraps … what a twisted loser … seems like crackpipe debbie may finally have found that missing hermaphrodite partner … I hear these lovebirds are planning on wedding bells in Assachussetts on April 1st.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
I want a new editor, getalife just isn’t getting the job done. How’s this for being a loser getalife? Every candidate I voted for won.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
I found a picture of tftt at work
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Yes, and all we have is Senator Staton’s pledge that the Georgia ID system will prevent fraud. I don’t claim to be as sophisticated a political analyst or internet user as many on this blog, but the editorial caught my attention since Georgia is struggling so hard to find a method of eliminating fraud, or so they claim, although I believe that there are all kinds of racial overtones involved.
If our legislators were to look at what another state does, it might be beneficial. It’s purely a question of claims and counter claims: Bradbury versus Staton, until our legislators or Jim studies it.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
suck on this, time for lies! !!!!
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
to complete the posse of neanderthal plebian scum rednekkks NAMBLA oozes out of its Buckhead bathhouse - amusingly enough talking cannibalistically of “dog squeeze”.
The brilliant GA law on legal picture ID for voting is long overdue - there is NOT the tiniest shred of proof that this is aimed at blacks or anyone else. This is simply desperate mendacious racebaiting by leftists who cannot stand that liberal voter fraud will finally be addressed by one of the finest most practical laws in recent years. The fact that lying demoNcrats and blacks are so hysterically against this law makes it even more desireable. Hopefully leftist/black judges will shortly be prevented from further blocking the will of the people.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
We have Senator Staton saying that a voter ID will prevent someone from showing up at the polls and casting a fraudulent ballot. That is a true statement for the most part, although I suppose an elaborate fake ID scam could still allow some votes. That doesn’t address other potential problems with the absentee system.
On the other hand you have a Secretary of State making a blanket declaration that “vote by mail” has eliminated all ballot fraud. That is either a blatant lie or hopelessly naive. Have you considered that the real reason that Oregon is so protective of their claim of fraud free voting is that they have eliminated the cost of maintaining polling precincts and can use that money for some pet projects?
By advisor
November 30, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Has anyone noticed that the a***** who posts as tftt is also the same asshoe who posts as markus. I think the idiot sometimes forgets its persona, and posts in the wrong blog voice for the name.
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
the editorial caught my attention since Georgia is struggling so hard to find a method of eliminating fraud, or so they claim
as u know their “claim” doesn’t pass the smell test, that’s why it keeps getting knocked down and out in the court system. if at first they can’t suceed, they lie and whine their way around something, then stack the deck by appointing more judges as much as they dare.
By Diogenes
November 30, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Yes, and I have also considered the convenience to the voter “vote by mail” would afford if, indeed, fraud have been eliminated. There’s two points right there which would warrant investigation: 1) reduction of cost so Sonny would have the cash to lure more manufacturers to Georgia or for whatever pet project he chooses; 2) convenience to the voter which might actually improve voter turnout; in my book, a desirable outcome. As I read it, Oregon requires ID, but they require it up front — at the time of registration. If a Secretary of State claims that his method has eliminated fraud, don’t you think it worth looking at to see if there is merit? I do.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
DDR,
They can’t just appoint more judges, there has to be an opening. Besides don’t you need a photo ID when you go see “hubby” at the toxic waste site?
By DebbieDoRight
November 30, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
If you are a registered voter, what’s the problem? Why would you even NEED voter ID? How many dead people have actually voted in Georgia in say, the last 60 years? Has anyone kept up with that? Has anyone kept up with the percentage of fradulent votes cast in the last 60 years? So, no one knows for sure the numbers yet the republicans want to change the system, with no rationale other than “it could happen”.
yep, that con-serv-a-tron thinking is at work again!
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
November 30, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
If I needed any sheet from you tftt/tranny tommy boy, I would merely squeeze your silly weak-chinned head.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
I have no problem with looking at what any state has done in given areas. I would strongly disagree that making it easier to cast an uninformed ballot is a good thing.
If one doesn’t care enough to learn the candidates, study the issues, and make whatever sacrifice is necessary to vote, then I really don’t want them voting anyway.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
By Pope rednekkks NAMBLA … If I needed any sheet from you tftt/tranny tommy boy, I would merely squeeze your silly weak-chinned head.
HA HA HA HA HA HA … NAMBLA the turgid flaccid queen is getting almost as uppity and angry and outraged as the slimy greaseball gitmolife.
BUSH HAS TWO MORE GLORIOUS YEARS … HA HA HA HA
By @@
November 30, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
Jim: I’m not so sure I’d run-off to my local precinct to vote for the Public Service Commission post.
I know, I know, it’s shameful. But honestly, after being bombarded with T.V., radio, and roadside litter campaign ads, I’m glad it’s over. I did see the campaign ad you speak of this morning.
It put me in mind of the little kid standing at the bus stop, wondering if he was late or the bus was late. We’ve all seen the little guy. You wanna stop and tell him “Hey, little fella, you’ve missed the bus.” But you just can’t find it in your heart to do so.
Like Mid-South, I’d have no problem with returning to paper ballots. It offers assurances.
The assurance that government employees are actually earning your tax dollars. Electronic would be my next choice. But please….no more cross-eyed ballot counters looking in the you-know-what of a pregnant chad, only to have Democrats later declare his efforts to be a miscarriage.
By Curious Observer
November 30, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
If one doesn’t care enough to learn the candidates, study the issues, and make whatever sacrifice is necessary to vote, then I really don’t want them voting anyway.
If the voters of Georgia were as well informed as RW wants them to be, they would never vote for jackasses like George W. Bush, Sonny Perdue and Casey Cagle.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
Given the intellectual level of the right wing biggots on this blog, I am going to throughly enjoy making you all my slaves in the near future - you can sign all you want as you pick my cotton, and cut my tobacco plants. What you will not be allowed to do is read, or write, or teach any of your children to read or write. There will be daily beatings by moi, just for the fun of it. Even now I am working toward this end, by selling my dollars for euro’s, yen, gold, and silver. The day the dollar dies, you right wing biggots will have to work for food, my table scraps in exchange for 15 hours of back breaking labor seven days per week, and regular beatings.
got any more deranged gems like that for us wankvisor?
Happily we still occasionally get to see the true sick face of liberalism.
I suppose we conservatives should be grateful that liberals are so obsessively dedicated to perpetuating on demand abortion - at least thankfully there will be fewer liberals hatched every year.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
Curious Observer,
If the voters of Georgia were as well informed as RW wants them to be, they would never vote for jackasses like George W. Bush, Sonny Perdue and Casey Cagle.
Would you care to provide anything that substantiates your claim or is it supposed to be enough that you’re a lib and made a proclamation?
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
At least we can assure @@ that she didn’t miss the short bus. (lifetime pass)
By advisor
November 30, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
tiny brain for truth, liberal are not born, they are made. When the dollar dies in international markets, I predict 300 million new liberals in north america demanding gov handouts. The gov will be helpless, as their only real power is printing green paper, and if the rest of the world refuses to accept that green paper for its wealth, you know, oil, gas, electronics, then the gov will be as impotent to help the newly poor as the neo-cons are helpless in sexually satifying their wives.
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
Here’s RW’s lifetime pass: (o)
Brokeback, broke mind. (He’s complete)
By getalife
November 30, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
“Urban Dictionary would probably make Noah Webster want to plummet off an unabridged overpass.”
CBS SportsLine
By Midori
November 30, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
the “maroons” are the people who feel like the rules don’t apply to them, and keep hacking into Luckovich’s blog to post a lot of tripe and ignorance. For some reason they think that makes them look “clever”, all the while they are just showing what out of touch retarded dumb fu*ks they are.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
RW,
I believe that a pesky problem with voting by mail is that one can sell the form to the highest bidder, and I bet that a well funded A.C.O.R.N. (for instance) would be overjoyed to have such an opportunity to commit voter fraud.
By time for the truth
November 30, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
wankvisor/maggot brain
you are probably right about one thing … some liberals may not be “born” … they are puked up - usually out of leftist tax payer funded schools, drug rehab clinics, hollywood, homosexual san fran sicko, the readership of the NY Slimes, LA Slimes et al who year on year hilariously cant even keep their readers etc.
your pathetic fantasy doomsday scenario is as doltish and moronic as anything I’ve seen on here. It doesn’t proffer the slightest notion of internal coherence or reason/fact/logic. Please jump under a (fantasy) MARTA bus ASAP or better still bugger off back to your native Mexico!!
Cheers.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
JK (closet feminist),
I think I’ll move this over to today’s thread so you can’t hide behind the dead one. Maybe this brief recap will wake you up:
You tell us that you are closely related to a female economist. (Who cares what sex the economist is? unless you view life through the prism of gender?)
You mention your uterus.
You advocate abortion.
I would say that the clues are pretty strong that you are a feminist.
Yet you deny it. Why?
By getalife
November 30, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
So Andrew,
That is where you get that tripe you spew.
No wonder we can’t understand your crap.
Please gives us more of the urban dictionary laced rhetoric.
It is hilarious.
By Van
November 30, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this
Midori,
And here I thought they were his fans - Go figure
By advisor
November 30, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
tiny t** for truth, internal logic is not your strong suite, logic in general excapes you, and truth is just another meaningless word to you. Ah suspect you are confined to a small room with your computer, either voluntarily or involuntarily. My great fear is that you are on the state or federal payroll, wasting my tax dollars by ranting away the time you should be using to pick up the litter around the office. What are you, a GS-9 clerk typist?
By W
November 30, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
Ya’ll need to settle down a bit, we have bigger fish to fry, have you not heard about the dastardly film “Happy Feet” this film is a direct attack on the policies and philosophy of American Conservatism, it must be stopped!
By getalife
November 30, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Thanks Helpful Al.
Figures.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
The best way to stop police abuse of their powers is to hit them in the pocket book. I urge the family of the poor 88 year old woman murdered by the police to file a wrongful death lawsuite. They should ask for a five billion dollar punative damages award, to be paid from the police retirement fund, the general city retirement fund, and by cutting the pay of the police force by 50 percent until the debt has been paid in full. These jackbooted thugs passing for police should have been identified and stopped by their fellow officers long ago, and the fact that they were not is proof positive that the whole department is corrupt and should be punished collectively.
By Helpful Al is just another name for Jim Wooten
November 30, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
If only he had a brain, he might be able to think.
By RE
November 30, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
I am away from Atlanta right now and have only heard a little about the old lady getting shot, but didn’t she fire on the police?
By A L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N
November 30, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
I had my W sticker removed 16 months ago.
A neighbor kid was going door-to-door. Five bucks for each removal. He’s now living in one of them fancy Buckhead condo’s.
Oh and btw, I’m a LIBERTARIAN. Got that? I’m certainly not a Republican. Again a L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N
By Curious Observer
November 30, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Wrong. It’s gotta be Gwinnett County. If you aren’t a proven racist with a hidden white sheet and a matching hood there, you have to move out—unless, of course, you’re an illegal immigrant willing to work for half the minimum wage. Amuse yourself for an hour watching afternoon traffic heading north on I-85 and count the W still the president stickers.
By JK
November 30, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish, are you still stalking me? It’s creepy how interesting you find me. Like, Ewww
You twist the truth yet again. I didn’t say “female economist.” I said I was related to an economist and that I would speak to her. Your supremely clever mind inferred her gender from the prounoun. Why do YOU care? Again, Ewww, you’re ceeping me out.
I will admit to having a uterus. So did your mother. Was she a “feminist?”
I advocate keeping the government out of my personal medical decisions. Does that make me a “feminist” or a “libertarian?”
I also think the best thing for a child is two nurturing parents, and that it’s important to educate boys. Does that make me a “feminist?”
I also use only real butter when baking holiday pies. Never margarine! Does that make me a “feminist?”
I hope Santa brings you a brand new, shiny, high-tech label maker for Christmas. Then you can stick labels on everything and everyone and have a truly joyous holiday….But only if you promise Santa you will quit STALKING people! Ewww. Perhaps you should discuss your obsession with other women’s thoughts and uteri with a professional before you embarrass yourself. Seriously.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
yes, she had every right to do so, as they kicked in her door at 3 am. the pigs lied to get a no knock search warrant, thus making the warrant invalid.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Not a good idea to post your full name on a blog.
I had to cancel my trip
Oh, the humanity.
By W
November 30, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
If you’ve got a W sticker you are not a libertarian, youa are an idiot. I sorry that is self defecating.
By Political Foreskin
November 30, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Iraq takes over by mid ‘07. Read: Bush is spinning his own cut and run concession.
It’s about the spin.
By Van
November 30, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight,
Ever since the Motor-Voter push, it has been easier to register to vote, if you are not here legally.
The AJC has had article after article of voter fraud and Cynthia Tucker has written editorials about it.
It isn’t just the dead voting, it is uncle Bob voting for his older brother, comatose in the nursing home, it is an illegal voting, it is, yes, dead folks voting.
We should be requiring id when you apply for absentee voting, we should be issuing photo id registration cards when you register for voting.
Did you ever notice that the voter registration card is not valid for voter id?
By RE
November 30, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
advisor,
first off, the whole thing seems wrong to me. The cops most likely had the wrong house, or at least that is what it seems like. There is a lot of questions about if they did a no knock or a knock and announce entry.
All that being said, she unloaded a 6 shot reveolver, getting 5 hits (marksmanship). If you shoot at a cop, they are going to shoot back until you are dead. I do not think this is a case of racist cops or of the police acting with undue force. Cops will shoot back.
This may be a good reason to look at the no knock policy upheld by the supreme court. If the cops announced, I do not think this would have happened. If she did not shoot at the cops, I think she would be alive
By Curious Observer
November 30, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
I’m certainly glad W has decided not to cut and run. See, he’ll be withdrawing our troops and turning the whole mess over to the Iraqi government next year—as opposed to just withdrawing our troops and turning the whole mess over to the Iraqi government next year.
It all depends on your definition of what “withdrawal” is. Dusty must be delighted by this fine distinction. Dubya=patriot, cut-and-runners=traitors.
By Charlotte
November 30, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
Bush’s entire presidency is a lost cause. He botched Iraq and THAT will be his legacy. I am laughing at the lost souls who voted for him, not once, but twice.
I’m all for a voter ID requirement—IF—Republicans are willing to support the tax hike to pay to go door-to-door, in every neighborhood, every workplace, church, hamlet, dirt road, backwoods and under every rock to photograph every legal citizen. And they’d have to do it every year, because goodness knows there are new citizens and God forbid if they forget someone… If the Census folk can’t accurately count everyone, why do you think the state of Georgia can?
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
JK (still in denial)
Everything that I have mentioned is in response to something YOU brought up, so if responding is “creepy” and “stalking” then you have really lowered the bar.
As for the famous Economist, I checked Google out of curiosity, because I couldn’t think of any female author/economists off the top of my head. I was interested in who they are and what they believe. I’m always interested on who the Left-wing gurus are.
The first book that popped up was “Feminist Economics”. I figured that would be the sort of economist you would use to back up your wacky theories and I made a harmless joke about it to which you took great offense. That’s all. No stalking.
As to your uterus, I can’t think of a single time when I have mentioned mine in any context, ever, and I think of myself as being a conservative/libertarian. It’s just not part of my vocabulary and I bet that holds true for “libertarian” women.
I had added that “no one cares about your uterus” to my original post but deleted it in the interest of brevity.
Here - Let me put it back in:
JK,
No one cares about your uterus.
Happy?
JK (still in denial)
Everything that I have mentioned is in response to something YOU brought up, so if responding is “creepy” and “stalking” then you have really lowered the bar.
As for the famous Economist, I checked Google out of curiosity, because I couldn’t think of any female author/economists off the top of my head. I was interested in who they are and what they believe. I’m always interested on who the Left-wing gurus are.
The first book that popped up was “Feminist Economics”. I figured that would be the sort of economist you would use to back up your wacky theories. That’s all. No stalking.
As to your uterus, I can’t think of a single time when I have mentioned mine in any context, ever, and I think of myself as being a conservative/libertarian.
I had added that “No one cares about your uterus” to my original post but deleted it in the interest of brevity.
Here - Let me put it back in:
JK,
No one cares about your uterus, least of all me. JK,
Everything that I have said was a response to something YOU said, so if that is “creepy” and “stalking” then you have really lowered the bar and may want to consult an attorney over a possible hate crime.
I looked up Economists out of curiosity as to what they say, not how they are related to you. I could not think of a single one off the top of my head, and to my amusement, the first book that showed up was Feminist Economics which I figured would be the sort of Guru you would look to.
As to your uterus, which you mentioned thusly “
By advisor
November 30, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
When you return to atlanta, you can read all the details in the ajc, there is much more than what i have posted, cops telling snitches to lie and cover up for the cops, cops planting evidence in the victims house, copy lying to obtain the search warrant. There were no drugs in the womans house, nor were any sold from her house, but the cover up attempted to frame her.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
JK,
I apologize for the screwed up post. I did not repeat myself because I am stalking you.
Now I know where that post I lost disappeared to!
By jbmlaw
November 30, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
Dear JK @ 2:50, glad you are back, you got the details right yesterday, except the last item you can get from google (and what you really want there was, “why did every other country in the world pass similar legislation before the US?”) I envy you your chat with the economist. Every economist I ever met was bright and joyous, and as you describe yourself, of a libertarian-bent. (One funny trait about most economists – even if she disagrees with every word I wrote, and she won’t, she will spend more time explaining to you why I believe what I believe, than she will discussing her own analysis.) I bet you will be totally pumped afterward.
Dear Advisor, suggest a civil rights suit rather than wrongful death.
By I Voted for the War But Can't Serve
November 30, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
I am one of Mark Foley’s best friends, so the Army won’t have me.
That and I’m a big coward.
By harold
November 30, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
harold says you should be required to show a picture ID before the cops shoot you dead after home invasioning you
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
RE and jbmlaw,
“The advisor” recently posted something to the effect that our military’s tanks in Iraq only have a limited fuel capacity and require fuel tank convoys to service them.
He maliciously warned that we will be defeated as there is a plan afoot to destroy those convoys.
I realize that it is just a despicable fantasy on his part, but I thought you may want to know who you are attempting to “converse” with.
I don’t think that this particularly sick POS deserves a response from anyone - at least not anyone contributing to this blog.
By JK
November 30, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, I did have that chat, and you were right; it was delightful! I enjoy expanding my sphere of knowledge, particularly when conversing with my “elders.” They have much to tell, and it’s best to benefit from their wisdom and experience before they leave us. We truly never stop learning. I posted my comments on yesterday’s blog this morning, so as not to bore the good people here today. (My apologies if you are offended by the uterus reference; I was trying to make a point about things that are external to “the market.”)
By RE
November 30, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Advisor,
It should be investigated if the police followed the rules, and they should be held to account if they falsified evidence, forged documents, or lied about thier actions. However, I do not think they were in the wrong for shooting back at a woman firing at them.
By RE
November 30, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
BD, I do not think it is a big secret that they are going after the convoys. These are those non military deaths that are not reported as most of the convoys are driven by civilian contractors.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
dirty stinking danish, your name says it all. The short comings of the m1 tank are well known by amateurs around the world, so I suspect the professionals are all too aware. It is a matter of history that the smart iraqi’s waited for the m1 to pass unmolested, because they knew that within 4 hours a convoy of soft skinned tanker trucks would follow. Encirclement is a wwii tactic, also well known in military circles. The only plot afoot is that of the arab people to drive the murder amerikan pigs off their land, completely understandable. Now all you neo scum convicts out their can just kiss my assetts.
By RE
November 30, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
BD,
Here is a little story about the ACLU NOT interfering with a bible story being shown at a school. The difference, it is not funded by the school, and students are not required to attend
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
RE,
It was the tone to the fantasy in his post that caught my attention. If you don’t believe me see his 4:16.
He’s champing at the bit for the “Arabs” to kill the “Amerikans pigs”.
Getalife,
As an ignoramus who doesn’t know the difference between someone salivating over the prospect of killing American soldiers, and what Andy posts, you’re not qualified for jack**
By RE
November 30, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this
Ok advisor, that went too far.
The soldiers fighting over thier are not murder amerikan pigs or whatever you were trying to say. You can hate the policy, hate the president and government who authorized and continues the occupation, but the soldiers fighting are doing so for many reasons. All are bound by patriotism, even if they disagree, they will fight because they are loyal to thier country. Many did not have a choice, they signed up for free college tution in exchange for 2 weeks a year and got pulled into this.
It is abhorrent to call them pigs, you should be ashamed
By getalife
November 30, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Now all you neo scum convicts out their can just kiss my assetts.
I do not see a problem there Newt.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this
RE,
That’s just great - thanks for the crumbs.
Now perhaps someone can explain to me why that movie could not be screened at a Chicago Christmas festival.
Are the attendees blindfolded and led into a theatre without a marquee, and then forced to sit through a movie about Christ’s birth?
Or maybe they think that people are too darn stupid to know that a movie entitled the “Nativity Story”, which is shown during a Christmas film festival, might have something to do with Christ.
What are they showing at this festival I wonder? Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer cartoons and Home Alone 3?
By advisor
November 30, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this
It is chickenhawk scum like dirtystinking danish who were cheer leading this illegal, immoral, and unjust war against the arab people. I suspect danish is in the pay of toilet aviv, the only place that is profiting from this war. As they say in investigations, follow the money: in this case just follow the benefit. Iraq had been paying palistinian family’s of suicide bombers 25,000 dollars for a successful bombing. That is a lot of money for a poor palistinian. Since israel could not defeat Iraq alone, they hatched a plot in toilet aviv amounts wolfie, pearlie, libbie and their ilk to get the usa to do the dirty work. All it took was to use the pro israel lobby in amerika to get their owned and operated boy elected president.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
RE,
Regarding the POS I warned you about, there is no point in reasoning with him. He is either not sane or he is someone who openly (but anonymously) advocates the defeat of the United States.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Look at the rule I found at luckovich’s blog:
Commenting is open from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. M-F
By advisor
November 30, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
as long at they are in someone else’s country, killing their people, they are murdering pigs, and should be killed, killed, killed. you worthless amerikan pigs kill arabs like they were ants, but your own lives are too precious for death? Wrong, just like in viet nam, wrong.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
Oops, missed that line.
I would have to agree with RE.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
rw, real or fake, I will call them anything I want, you and danish and the other neo scum can kiss my a*.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
the police kicking in someone’s door at 3 am is an act of terrorism, both literally and figuratively. I would like to know how many no knock search warrants are issueed in the city of atlanta, the county of fulton, and the state of georgia per year, and what percentage of those are served from midnight to six am. It is the same murdurous mentality that is terrorizing the iraqi people today, no doubt because so many of the national guard troops are local cops in civilian life. Murder under cover of authority is still murder, and I will call it such even if my voice is the only one doing so, you neo scum patriotic pigs. Only cowards hide behind the flag, and that is all I see you f*** doing on this blog.
By RE
November 30, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
Disgusting Advisor.
The men fighting over there have no choice on policy. Direct your anger to the people making the decisions, not on the ones forced to carry them out.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
I’ve browsed a number of JKs posts. I’m not finding anything Libertarian about them. Perhaps you can explain to us what makes her a Libertarian and not a garden variety liberal/Leftist.
She does use the word “librul” a lot, to make fun of conservatives who think ideas like global warming are hoaxes.
I got the distinct impression that she thinks of herself as “librul”. Maybe she thinks that Liberals and Libertarians are the same thing, while they are in effect polar opposites.
Since she thinks I’m stalking her and would find it “creepy” if I addressed a post to her, maybe you could ask her if she understands the diffence between the two words, err, “labels”.
By @@
November 30, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
Political Foreskin:
I’ve told you before, and you just aren’t listening. I’m not interested in riding your “short bus”.
I’ve heard guys give them nicknames, but really….Short Bus?
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
getalife,
See. I told ya so.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
RW,
Do you think that Jim Wooten will censor the Advisor’s posts like he did Andy’s or do you think we can look forward to an endless stream of his charming contributions?
By getalife
November 30, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this
BD,
It is not hard to admit mistakes.
You should try it sometime.
By RW-(the original)
November 30, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
I doubt it, every time I read over here I see an endless stream of that kind of crap from advisor or his fellow travelers like alQueda’s Conkkkubine.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
I have, it just doesn’t happen very often. :-)
I hope that this incident today clues you into the fact that I have pretty good instincts about some of these characters, and it would be beneficial if you could put aside your partisan griping long enough to listen to something other than the music in your own head once in awhile instead of immediately attacking me with a jerking knee.
By Seriously
November 30, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this
Some of you people should really try to get something more in your lives besides these blogs. Really.
Getalife, RW, Buy Danish. Its getting a little creepy.
By JK
November 30, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
I agree with (the late) Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz) who said, “Every good Christian should kick Falwell in the a-s-s.” He also argued that the religious right should stay out of government, and that government should stay out of a woman’s decision about her own body.
He also said: “Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism” and “You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.”
HEY! I’m “CONSERVATIVE!” Wow! Who knew!
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
Seriously,
thanks for the advice. Do you have any for The Advisor?
Freaking idiot.
By advisor
November 30, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this
they are all the same person, posting to itself endlessly. Censur this butttt holes !
By getalife
November 30, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
BD,
Guilty of rocking out while skimming the posts on many blogs.
My knee does jerk to the music.
By RE
November 30, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
It was kinda funny on Luckavich’s blog seeing Andy talk to himself for a few hours, wondering where all the other people were
How is it censorship when he is the only guy posting?
By Jessie
November 30, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this
Just a quick comment to say that I agree with Bemused Humanist @10:38 about the motivation behind Georgia’s Voter ID law and with Diogenes @11:00 about exploring the Oregon approach to voting.
I also agree with Jim about paper receipts for electronic voting verification and about the value of runoff elections — instant runoffs would be ideal.
I couldn’t help but notice that that Buy Danish lady is one angry Sheila. I actually feel sorry for her. Life must be difficult for somebody to be so mad all the time.
Anyway, have a nice day everyone — especially you, Buy Danish.
By Van
November 30, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this
getalife
It is good to see the lefties never make mistakes that they would admit to.
By Seriously
November 30, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
Yea Buy Danish, I hope Jim deletes all the crap including Andy’s.
You must feel very powerful debating the half-wit advisor. Wowie. You get him. Your life depends on it.
By getalife
November 30, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
Thanks Seriously.
It is great to be alive.
Sorry it creeps you out but it keeps the mind busy.
By Buy Danish
November 30, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
JK,
Thank you for your response. What do you mean when you say the religous right “should stay out of government”?
How do you feel about this Democrat who was just elected in the State of Michigan? Meet Keith Ellison.
Incidentally he has just announced that he will not be sworn into office on the Bible but will insist on the Koran.
Maybe he can tell us what influence the Koran had on our Founding Fathers and consequentially our Founding Documents.