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Thinking Right’s Friday free-for-all. Pick a topic:

• Thank goodness for Google. Macy’s invites me to meet Christopher Radko in his exclusive appearance on Saturday. Who he?

• Nancy Pelosi’s attire never crossed this conservative’s mind. She always seems to be fully and appropriately clothed. So we have a female wire service reporter, quoting females, asking and responding to the question: “Why do we focus on the clothes of the new speaker of the House and not those of our president, or any male in Washington?” Who is “we”? This is not a guy thing.

• Without doubt, bus rapid transit, with dedicated lanes, is the rapid transit for metro Atlanta. If it succeeds, it actually helps reduce congestion. If it doesn’t, it’s not affixed to one route. The buses can move elsewhere. Trains can’t.

• Once they consent to make a baby, the father shows evidence of a willingness to support the child and a desire to marry the mother, my instincts are to help Sergio Hernandez — accused of abducting the baby and its mother — not to assume he should be jailed. Once people make babies, every bias should promote marriage.

• Yes, Utah may have fallen just 857 residents shy of the number needed for another congressman. But a proposal to give it the representation it’s not entitled to as part of an agreement to give D.C. a voting member of Congress is absurd. Attach D.C. to Maryland or keep the status quo.

• Public housing projects, except those for the elderly and disabled, should disappear from America. They breed generational passivity.

• Cities shouldn’t be in the business of building “affordable” housing — unless taxpayers capture any windfall that comes when the house is sold. It’s a way for the well-connected and the lucky to get a government-directed transfer of wealth. If I can’t afford to live in your neighborhood, it’s not government’s job to put me there — or to force other homebuyers who can to subsidize me.

• Surprise! Voters want paper evidence of how they voted. In a University of Georgia poll on Election Day, 82 percent of voters preferred to have a paper trail to electronic voting.

• Well, yes, the Port of Savannah should get the big-dollar grants that Charleston and Jacksonville get from the Department of Homeland Security, but the money does not exist to terrorist-proof every potential target. Somebody has to assess threat and put the money where the risk is greatest, which may not be ports.

• If I’m a cop, I don’t work for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He folds before the facts.

• Pssst! Police informants sometimes have criminal pasts. Otherwise, I suppose they’d be called witnesses, victims or tipsters.

• The Iraq Study Group — the graybeards who think deep thoughts on what to do about Iraq — are expected to recommend a gradual pullback of troops, with no timetable. Hope taxpayers paid for no expensive dinners; we could have gotten that from the breakfast club at McDonald’s. The generals are opposed. But the good news of the week is that George — you gotta love him — Bush firmly opposes premature departure and timetables. He’s the guy I want in my foxhole.

• A federal judge in D.C. rules that paper money is a discrimination against the blind. The remedy is up to Congress. This is one reason Congress and state legislatures should pass laws only as a last resort. For every law there exists a federal judge willing to render a decision no rational lawmaker ever anticipated.

• It’s an idea that should spread: Ryanair, an Ireland-based low-cost European airline, essentially gives away the seats while charging passengers for everything, item by item. When a customer sued over a $34 charge for a wheelchair, the CEO tacked a 63-cent “wheelchair levy” onto every passenger. The cost of regulations, lawsuits and mandates should be broken out on every bill that customers see.

• My ego is relatively secure. But if the “name the panda” blog draws more comments than the “Thinking Right” blog, my ego’s crushed. I’d expect a good story about a naked crack smoker being pulled from an alligator pond at 4 in the morning to draw more comment. But normal, healthy look-alike pandas?

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By Mid-South Philosopher

December 1, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

With respect to the Iraq Study Group…I agree…they didn’t tell us much that was new. The failure of Donald Rumsfeld to plan for and implement a successful occupation of Iraq (which should have included establishing a secure environment, protecting the Iraqi borders from encroachment by foreign terrorists, rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure, and restructuring the Iraqi government), has left quite a mess. Unfortunately, the sacrifice of more American lives will be necessary to accomplish whatever ends the Bush Administration now expects to achieve.

Was anyone else struck by this sentence in “Georgie’s” speech (especially the last eight words) following his most recent meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki,

“We’re going to stay in Iraq to get the job done so long as the government wants us there.”

What is going to happen if Maliki asks us to leave and invites Iran to mentor the new government of Iraq?

Don’t think it can’t happen. Remember… years ago, the main conduit for crucial American military intelligence, hardware and strategic advice to Saddam Hussein, then fighting Iran in the Iran-Iraq war, was a special envoy named Donald Rumsfeld!

As for being in a foxhole with George Bush…a foxhole in Alabama should be safe enough, I guess.

By CJ

December 1, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Wooten: “Attach D.C. to Maryland or keep the status quo.

Why Maryland? Why not Virginia? Maybe Redneck Convert or Captain Freedom can enlighten us.

Wooten: “The cost of regulations, lawsuits and mandates should be broken out on every bill that customers see.

I think that’s a great idea! While we’re at it, how about a “leadership levy” too? The cost of upper management’s salaries, options, bonuses, pensions, interest-free loans, golden parachutes, spying and wiretapping expenses, bribery costs, hooker fees and tips, and other such company-paid expenses could be broken out on every bill that customers (and investors) see. In fact, a “leadership levy” could also incorporate expenses associated with compensating and wining and dining members of the Board for their hard work.

Seriously though, I think I understand Wooten’s point. He’s saying that if we could see how much it costs to protect us and our loved ones from deceptive business practices and unsafe products and services, then we’d all be clamoring to eliminate regulations and mandates post-haste.

Wooten: “He’s [President Bush] the guy I want in my foxhole.

Amen to that brother. Bush is a man’s man. Know how I can tell? Because he always walks as if he’s wearing a pair of six-shooters on his hips (imaginary .45 Colt Single Actions, no doubt – if you’re a make-believe bad-a$$ from Texas, anything else would be sacrilege).

By jbmlaw

December 1, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Jim, I fully understand your pain on the good Mr. Radko, whoever he is. A couple of years ago I held a position with a company that had offices in a building with a popular radio station. While riding down the elevator it paused at the radio floor, and an attractive young lady (of course, everyone is young to me) entered and we had an engaging chat as we rode the slow elevator down. When the doors opened at the lobby, a couple of teenage girls started screaming, “you’re, you’re.” Unfortunately for my inflated ego, the cuties were not addressing me, and I never did learn the identity of the charming young lady. Mrs. jbmlaw is always amused to hear me tell the story, as she finds it laughable that a straight-laced bore would flirt with a gorgeous young celebrity. Sigh.

You are correct about Mrs. Pelosi, and I suppose her clothing will the topic of discussion for the media-flakes until she has a Britney moment.

Agree on DC – we don’t need no stinking city-states. Maryland is the natural merger, as that was the original source of the land. Have not investigated – would that require a constitutional amendment?

On the Iraq study group, by any measure a quick embrace by President Bush would make the Iraq situation immeasurably worse. Every signal should reflect an intention to stay, even if the real secret plan is otherwise.

Whenever I hear of a bizarre court ruling, such as the illegally discriminating currency, my first reaction is to wonder who appointed the idiot. But I really always know.

I owe notes to my friends Danish (to explain why I enjoy exchanging with JK) and JK (after I read about her chat with her aunt), but have a full morning ahead. Have a great day all.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

The solution to iraq is simple: get the hell out, pay restitution, and punish those responsible for that illegal, immoral, and stupid invasion of a soverign nation. Also put a lesh on el presidenta to prevent futher foreign military adventures that reek of the pro israel lobby.

By Mid-South Philosopher

December 1, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

I never said George Bush was wrong to go into Iraq. My argument is that when the military might of the United States is put to use, it should be overwhelming. If the cause is just, if the need requires attention, if the act of war is necessary, we should never do it in a half-a**ed manner. We should have sufficient forces with sufficient, top-notch equipment to effect such damage and casualties on the enemy that they will yield. If “occupation” is necessary, as it was in this case, we should put the necessary resources to the task and not ask our young men and women to try to deal with things like “foreign terrorists,” “religious sectarian fanatics,” and “common thugs and gangsters” on the cheap!

By Stan

December 1, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

I have felt for years that the balance of the District of Columbis, save a small federal enclave, should revert to Maryland, from whence it came. Remember the original was a ten mile square. The Virginia portion was returned long ago to that state. Study that action for precedent. The District was never intended as a major residential area, but was for those working for the Government. The reason for having a separate district has long since passed. It certainly does not need a Congressperson; next they’d want two Senators. The federal area should be ruled and administered by Congress. Having a mayor and council was a mistake.

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

Even with paper trails, Electronic voting discriminates against those blind to Diebold fraud!

I’d rather be in a foxhole with Pelosi, sans clothes. Then you’d see me going long and strong on Iraq.

(forgive me, tipper)

Jim, your ego can be more secure. You can attract more police informants to comment for the Right simply by including a blog entitled “Dating that Panda”. That should get the police informant cousins of RW, BD, tftt, andy, @@ and all the right-thinking journalists and just think of the Nielsons!!! Forget the rabble at Macys. You’ll get invited to Parisians, and Dillards!!! You’ll be a super star!!!

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 1, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Wooten’s defense of marraige is hilarious - statutory rapists should be allowed to marry their victims? Maybe after tubal ligations and vasectomies all around.

Better yet, castration for Senor Sergio - that and child support until the bambino finishes his/her graduate degrees. Then the Pope would sanction the marraige.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 1, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Unless there’s a foxhole 12,000 miles from the front, Dumbya ain’t gonna get in it.

He’s a coward.

By Chazman

December 1, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

I’m extremely disappointed in Mr. Wooten. Not one word today about Babs. What gives?

By GodHatesTrash

December 1, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Statutory rape and kidnapping - a very typical southron courtship. Marraige - ain’t it grand?

Sergio is not much removed from the chimps. He’ll fit right in here in Georgia.

By getalife

December 1, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

  • The Iraq Study Group — the graybeards who think deep thoughts on what to do about Iraq — are expected to recommend a gradual pullback of troops, with no timetable. Hope taxpayers paid for no expensive dinners; we could have gotten that from the breakfast club at McDonald’s. The generals are opposed. But the good news of the week is that George — you gotta love him — Bush firmly opposes premature departure and timetables. He’s the guy I want in my foxhole.*

Still supporting the worst man made disaster by the cheerleader. You will not find this coward or any of his family members in any foxhole Jim. Pathetic.

This is why the pandas get more comments.

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

As a responsible concerned citizen I have just informed the local cops that there is an anal, narcissistic, utterly humourless wanking nutterTROLL called deranged foreskin that needs arresting and processing for egregious violations of local mental health ordinances.

Why does this worthless thing foreskin waste so much valuable American oxygen??!!

By DebbieDoRight

December 1, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Once they consent to make a baby, the father shows evidence of a willingness to support the child and a desire to marry the mother, my instincts are to help Sergio Hernandez — accused of abducting the baby and its mother — not to assume he should be jailed. Once people make babies, every bias should promote marriage.

Jim, r u getting senile? Hernandez committed STATUATORY RAPE with a 15 year old girl. Now i don’t know where u come from, (probably the hills of kentucky), but most 15 year olds don’t have the common sense to be parents let alone MARRIED.

But the good news of the week is that George — you gotta love him — Bush firmly opposes premature departure and timetables. He’s the guy I want in my foxhole.

My god!! When u type up your blog in your office, r your windows open? if not, PLEASE open them — u need the fresh air.

By DebbieDoRight

December 1, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Public housing projects, except those for the elderly and disabled, should disappear from America. They breed generational passivity

So do tax shelters for the rich; offshore accounts for the wealthy, job resourcing, and inbreeding — however, we still seem to have and support those programs.

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

If the yellowbellied rednekkks NAMBLA ever got in a foxhole I’d be right there with a JCB bulldozer to fill it in. Making sure NAMBLA never got out of its foxhole … until it genuinely apologised for existing and its unhinged pathetic Bush hate lies.

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Notice how the solutions to Iraq are all over the map and disintegrate as you inspect the details? Notice how no spin ever describes the reality?

That’s because everyone is ignoring the reality.

Midsouth thinks overwhelming force would have worked against the souls of the long-persecuted Shia population.

If one of you police informants who blog for the right would open up a history book and understand the last 100 years of the Shia experience, then maybe, just maybe you’d see that Iraq is a Hatfield and McCoy, family-feud, terrorist-gone-wild, mother-of-all 100-years-civil war-of-attrition type ting…….. (and they dont respect Robert’s Rules of Order during debates neither)

You cant save souls with tanks. Iraqis Want To Take over by June 2007? What a laugh. Iraqis want. Iraqis want.

Iraqis want.

Beware: if we modernize the Iraqi Army, we will be arming both sides of the civil war, and making the slaughter more efficient. (it wont ruin our holiday shopping season, though)

By advisor

December 1, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

jim comes from the lowlands of georgia where in his youth the average age of marriage for girls was 12, assuming she could out run her brother at age 11.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 1, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Points to ponder from the Pope -

Too bad Pappy George didn’t withdraw prematurely.

Or that tftt/tommy’s daddy found that $5 in the gutter the night tftt was conceived…

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

What if they gave a war and nobody came?

You cant spell AWOL without the W, Jim.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

The dollar continues to die in foreign exchange markets - I know most of you if not all of you are too stupid to realize that your pampered life style depends on the rest of the world accepting our newly printed dollars at face value, but let me assure, you will very soon find out what poverty and want are all about, and exactly how worthless this economey and our dollar have become under the chimp in chief.

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

greaseball maggot brain belongs in a 6 foot deep marxist Cuban foxhole!

The compulsive pathetic anal Bush hate from the usual leftistturds is freaking hilarious this early … these sad twonks must wake up hating Bush and go to sleep every night in their padded cells hating Bush. And with their all day long Bush hate fest on here and presumably Bush hate all evening - even when being force-fed … the irrational ever increasing leftist Bush hate is a gift to us conservatives that just keeps on giving!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA … BUSH HAS TWO MORE GLORIOUS YEARS LEFT!! and so does Cheney!!

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 1, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

A. George W. Bush

Q. What’s the absolute worst thing that can happen when a man has sex with his grandmother?

By Buy Danish

December 1, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

I am not looking for an explanation as to why you enjoy talking with JK, I’m trying to figure out how she qualifies as a Libertarian and not a Liberal.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

A. George W. Bush

Q. What’s the absolute worst thing that can happen when a man has sex with his grandmother?

THAT IS THE BEST COMMENT I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS WORTHLESS BLOG. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

By Edwin Williams

December 1, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Remember how your own Cynthia Tucker had to comment on the hair, make-up and clothing of Katherine Harris after the 2000 election? You are right, only bigoted liberal women feel the need to comment on that kind of stuff. They do that because they have shallow minds to begin with. If liberals have intelligent thoughts they die of loneliness very quickly!

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Nancy Pelosi does dress like a Shirley Temple, say, when she sang the “Goodship Lollipop” song.

Hey Nancy. I got your lollipop, Right Here!!! (forgive me tipper)

I auditioned for a Burger King commercial yesterday. When am I going to give up trying to make it in show biz? True pathos. I still haven’t debuted my new four minutes, but I did write another thirty seconds. I’ll wait till I’ve got exactly five minutes. then: more pathos.

Anybody see Danny Devito on the View? he was drunk and slobbering and discombobulated. He’s come full circle: he is now the real life counterpart to the short-circuited drool he debuted in “One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest”.

Is that Irony or Pathos?

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

ew

By Redneck Convert

December 1, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Well, last nite I decided to be a Libraritarian like jbmlaw. I can still hate Those People and welfare bums and libruls, only I can look brainy doing it. Instead of calling them names like TFTT. Instead of saying I hate them, I can say helping them keeps the free market from working or is too much guvmint innerfearance. Besides, city folk will stop laughing at me when I tell them I’m a Republican.

Why should DC be given a vote? It’s full of Those People. It would be just one more librul vote in Congress. If you are going to allow them to vote, then attach them to Georgia, not Maryland or Va. They will be so swallowed up by the number of rednecks we have in Georgia you won’t even know they are there. They won’t count no more than they do now without a vote.

Well, it’s off to my 1st day as a Libraritarian. I hope Jim Bob and the other bar owners won’t think I’m too brainy when I make the beer deliverys. It’s still just me. Only I won’t be using the n-word. I’ll just talk about the free market and how we need to let it solve our problems. Like being poor and all. But my thinking’s the same. Wish me luck.

By getalife

December 1, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

lies,

Your fellow countrymen hate w and if you were in a bar in England spewing your love towards w and Cheney, you know they would use your head to play football.

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Edwin: kinda like someone dying of loneliness waiting for W to show up in their foxhole?

By advisor

December 1, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

dirty stinking danish, r u sober today? Your children want to know, it may affect their christmas plans. How is the weight loss clinic going, have you droped that 5 pounds, putting you at your goal of a svelt 555 pounts for the holiday parties? Too bad about your divorce, but a man can only take so much of what you dish out before leaving in disgust.

By Van

December 1, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

CJ, “Wooten: “Attach D.C. to Maryland or keep the status quo.”

Why Maryland? Why not Virginia? Maybe Redneck Convert or Captain Freedom can enlighten us.”

Actually it would be based on history.

When DC was first laid out, half the land was from Virginia and half from Maryland.

Because of the Civil War, Virginia took back the land donated for the National Capitol.

All of the District of Columbia is in former lands donated by Maryland.

By DebbieDoRight

December 1, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

A. George W. Bush

Q. What’s the absolute worst thing that can happen when a man has sex with his grandmother?

ROTFL!!!

By Spoon Fed Liberal

December 1, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

We can’t have a blog without some wingnut leftist moaning about executive pay and perks, as if those are coming out of taxpayer dollars or something like public transportation monstrosities like MARTA. But who’s counting? I’ll tell you what needs to be accounted for – all those public housing project residents and where their welfare money and food stamp money goes. Then there’s the Pelosi dress melodrama. Our beloved spoon-feeding media gets all ga-ga eyed over the way Pelosi dresses. Now if that’s not why a woman shouldn’t be in the White House or in senior power position, I don’t know what would. I can see the A-1 Washington Post headline now if Hillary met with the leader of Iran in 2011 –

At this evening’s ball, President Clinton will wear a sage green strapless Fendi with matching D&B sachet. Her hair will be done by world famous Pierre ‘Frenchie’ Flamingpants.” Meanwhile, found on the bottom left corner on B-13 – “In other news, last week President Clinton’s diplomacy in Iran may have helped thwart a middle east nuclear war.

You have to love our media. When Bush didn’t implement the 911 Commission’s recommendations, it was the End Of Days for us, at least according to the media and Democrats. But, now that the Democrats are in power, they are backpedaling fast on the promise of implementing those recommendations in the First 100 Hours. Naturally, now that the Democrats are in power, the media says that there are obstacles to getting a lot of those recommendations to play out. You don’t say?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111001518.html

It looks like the Democrats are already writing checks their bodies can’t cash, and they haven’t even been sworn in yet. What fun times to look forward to for 24 months! Oh yeah, and let’s all edumacate our wretched sheeple on the left that it’s not Bush’s War when the president can’t go to war without an approval from Congress. Ask Hillary how she voted and if she still supports the war. Don’t ask Rangel though, he’s too busy being slapped out of his tax increase dream by his more moderate Democrat colleagues. Oh what a great time to be had during these next 24 months!

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

I love to peruse the Fry’s Electronics circular that accompanies the AJC everyday. I see all the hi-tech gadgets I’ll never afford or master. I tried to use an I-pod once, and all I got was a flashing light that read: 12:00……12:00…….12:00…….12:00

By jbmlaw

December 1, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Dear Danish, yesterday you expressed puzzlement that I engage some of the regular contributors to this page, some of whom are on what we might call the “second thread” or otherwise opposed to those things you and I adjudge “right and prudent.” I rarely have cause to write to you or Van or @@ or Dusty – I shouldn’t have started a list, as someone will be hurt by the omission - you all say things I think, using the language I would use. There are a few on the other side I thoroughly enjoy – Philosopher, Southern Democrat, and JK are three who come to mind quickly – because they are “reasonable” in the original sense of the term, and they are people who have said things to change my mind in the past. More important to me, they seem to me to be people of good character, the sort I would enjoy arguing with over a dinner. Occasionally I see other people post something that sounds like a bright mind at work and I’ll send a probing question, mostly just to see how they respond. Always looking for the next Southern I suppose. Good essay today online, may give you a sense of what I find attractive on this page, and in our exchanges here. http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110009326

Dear JK, read your posts on your visit with your aunt; well-reasoned and, as always, well-written. You did not change my mind on anything there, but little does. Friedman is pretty easy to read, better than most economists; I would be delighted to send you my copy of “Free to Choose” if you cannot find it in your library (or in your aunt’s library – subtle jab.) He was the father of a “simpler is better” economic view of the world, following in the footsteps of Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek (“Road to Serfdom” is also a worthwhile read), and followed today by Tom Sowell and Walter Williams, and a multiplicity of much younger bright lights. Friedman was the intellectual father of the all-volunteer military, George McGovern’s $1,000 per family giveaway, and school vouchers, among many other revolutionary ideas.

JK, part 2: One of your comments, attributed to your aunt, struck me as odd; have you ever encountered any intelligent opinion different from yours that was not “ideologically-driven?” Your argument is not invalid, but you have the cart before the horse. Our ideologies drive all of our public policy preferences. Your preferences are driven by the ideology described by a sympathetic John Rawls. (Getalife’s are described by Lou Rawls.) For those of us who reject that ideology, obviously we will have ideas driven by a differing ideology. There is no non-ideological genesis for any public policy “idea.” You have frequently read me disparage so-called moderates; they have no ideas at all. (There are many leftists too embarrassed, due to Reaganism, to describe themselves as “liberals.” They embrace the terms “moderate” or “middle of the road,” but they hold leftist preferences.) I challenge our leftist friends, but I exclude leftists from my disparagement because I do understand the ideology driving their inclinations. Those true moderates, driven by nothing more substantial than their latest brain-synapse firings, are the object of my scorn.

JK part 3, personal stuff: I am highly unlikely to “get over myself” – too old for such a change, and in truth that self-centeredness is one of the few true benefits of being old, a fair trade for arthritis and memory loss. I enjoy being the guru, the font of knowledge for all who meet me, the one who has more than one answer to every problem. I am certainly unlikely to embrace the “every problem is complex” perspective that animates you and our other friends on the left (and I don’t say that to insult or disparage – just short-hand.) My core political philosophy is that every social problem can be blamed on a previous government action (more short-hand; sometimes called the “law of unintended consequences”) and I think that holds true 90% of the time. The cure for any problem usually involves finding a way around the bureaucrats.

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

12:00

By DebbieDoRight

December 1, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

or dying of loneliness waiting for dubya to think for himself. or, if he’s cheney’s friend, dying from a stray bullet while out “hunting”.

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Headline: Iraqis want the authority to ban Dixie Chick songs by June ‘07.

By Watta Load

December 1, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Sorry Jim,

The baby Panda is cuter than you are.

I agree with you that cities shouldn’t be in the business of providing affordable housing…let the market dictate that.

But there is the argument that if people can’t afford to live close to where they work then wages will have to increase to motivate those workers to travel farther. If wages increase, then that cost is ultimately passed on to the consumer.

By Buy Danish

December 1, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Redneck Convert,

If you won’t be using the ‘N’ word I guess we can deduce that you’re not from the Hood.

By Van

December 1, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

advisor ,

“The solution to iraq is simple: get the hell out, pay restitution, and punish those responsible for that illegal, immoral, and stupid invasion of a soverign nation.”

I would then assume you are in favor of impeaching the entire Congress then. After all they allowed it to happen by funding it.

You can plan a car trip all you want, but until you have the gas money, you are not going anywhere.

By getalife

December 1, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Punches thrown in the Mexican Congress today. This is the result of fixed elections.

There are three Conservative leaders in North America and their agenda is the North American Union without Congressional approval.

This is why they will never secure our borders.

Where is the outrage?

By jbmlaw

December 1, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Dear Danish @ 9:30, my bad. Creeping senility, I suppose. My attitude is to accept a person’s own evaluation of her views. If JK wants to call herself a libertarian, that is no skin off my nose. We libertarians are a divers (“word of the day” – not misspelled!) lot, and she may well have more libertarian in her than leftist. You and I will have to take her to dinner to find out.

By regulator

December 1, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Jim, Bush had a chance to be in a foxhole,instead he got his rich father to get him into the National Guard from which he deserted,I don’t believe you would really want him in your foxhole.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw, you better bring your expense account gold card and a barf bag if you go to dinner with dirty danish, she eats a lot, easts like a pig, and practices binge and purge. Is that what a libertarian is, a binge and purge glutton? I never knew….

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Inbred Rednekkk really needs to crash its mythical stolen beer truck into BillyBob’s and enjoy the flames … waiting for the cops to arrive. Inbred is as gormlessly unfunny as deranged foreskin … hopefully some of “those cyber people” will cyber lynch him and then Inbred can reflect all about it rather fleetingly on the next bardo before the inevitable downward transmigration of souls - actually in Inbred’s case arsesouls - kicks in …. (gedditt??).

By advisor

December 1, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Van, no I would only punish wolfie, libbie, filthy feith, pearlie, and of course AIFC. Restitution would consist of one half the gold in Fort Knox, not our worthless green paper. Of course, any american soldier or contractor who commited a crime in Iraq would be turned over to the Iraqi authorities for justice - crimes like rape of children, murder, torture, stealing.

By Van

December 1, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

“Divers”, nicely used as a pronoun, should keep those educated in Georgia (in the last 10 years) guessing.

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

maggot brain

the BBC and other leftist hate America (EU) media have for six years perpetrated systematic Bush hate lies and propaganda in the UK … the BBC is supposed to be a neutral broadcaster, and up until about 10 years ago was pretty neutral and balanced … that is its long standing remit and the basis for its taxpayer/licence fee funding - yet it is decidedly less “neutral” than the NY Slimes, PMSnbc and nowadays is undeniably more on a par with aljizzeera. Which is why the Royal Navy’s flagship HMS Ark Royal decided to very publicly boot the BBC’s far left Iraq coverage many years ago in favour of the far more neutral Sky News.

There is a strong anti-American thread that runs through much of British society at the best of times - but it becomes very shrill when there is a GOP president in the White House. Its hateful bigotry … plain and simple. The attacks on Bush are not ever just confined to thoughtful policy analysis. Legitimate political opposition is one thing - the irrational unremitting twisted Bush hate is the stuff of N Korean and Third Reich and virulent anti-American/Israeli mohammedan propaganda.

There are an increasing number of leftist Americans who desperately want to see the USA/Bush lose in Iraq … regardless of the cost to the world and the US.

If these pinko cut and runners get their treasonous, moronic wish I can unequivocally state that I sincerely hope that these leftists are the first AND ONLY victims of any new mohammedan terror attacks.

They couldn’t use your head for football in Fort Bragg (or else where) - its far too yellow, greasy and slimy.

By Dusty

December 1, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Well, Jim, this if definitely FRIDAY LITE, producer of bad jokes, sorry puns and the usual scatological “W” implications. Even your buddy Mid Sousie Philo is still calling the president “Georgie” which I am sure is not a term of endearment.

You, too, slipped up apparently approving “shotgun marriages” for rapacious teenagers. You kinda fell over the edge there, Jim, or you need new reading glasses.

As your free public advisor (not the rabid one who posts here), let me suggest an all out effort against Panda popularity. Post your cutest baby picture and have a name-a-nickname contest. All’s fair in love and politics and this might be politics. PANDA FOR PRESIDENT!! See what I mean. Congress may form a study group immediately to see if pandas are REALLY Americans, not Chinese.

By Sppon Fed Liberal

December 1, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Advisor -

-Restitution would consist of one half the gold in Fort Knox, not our worthless green paper.-

Now why exactly do you think that gold is there and what do you think it is backing up? Welfare? Social Security? College tuition? You must be another lib product of our wonderful government edumacation system. I sure hope you don’t do any more advising out there than what brand of tampons to purchase.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

twisted truth, go tell it to your pals in toilet aviv, israel aka ispiss.

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

wankvisor … you sound/read like rednekkk NAMBLA on steroids. But puting the obvious aside - tell us - are you actually American? Born and bred? What exactly is your ethnicity? Are you actually some species of white nazi? Given your Goebbels like attitude to Israel -the ONLY stable proper democracy in the middle east - this seems very likely.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Mark your calenders folks! @ 9:43 today Polly Prepuce made his first ever amusing comment. I’m even willing to overlook the fact that he ruined it at 9:44.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Yes, I am born and bred in the good old usa, of hardy German stock, and god damned pround of it. No, I am not a nazi, are you a zionist?

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

wankvisor = getatinybrain

NUFF SAID!!

By Chickenhawk Steve

December 1, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

You idiots. Bush has been in a foxhole many times.

In fact after a game of pickle, and a ride on our bicycles a bunch of us played “Cowboys and Indians” at his Ranch in Texas last summer.

At one time we were surrounded by Injuns! We were deep inside our foxhole, The President, Rev Haggard (who at the time was the Presidents spirtitual advisor.)and myself. Any way, we were trapped and all Haggard could do was scream for his momma.

Suddenly Bush took control. He STOOD UP in the foxhole and proceeded to hit 3 little Indian boys right through the heart with with his paintball bullets. Those little Indian boys all cried for their momma’s. Rev Haggard consoled them.

President Bush was our hero. Brave and strong. We rewarded him with our highest honor, The Purple Paintball Bullet Award. I cried. Then immediately called the Surgeon General, the President had scrapped his knee again. Not one complaint out of him that it hurt, he didn’t even ask for Bactine or Ovaltine.

A true hero of war. George W. Bush.

(Oh, and please don’t get all politically correct, The Injuns weren’t really Injuns, We recruited 10 little boys from Crawford to play. (We kicked their butts good too.)

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

wankvisor … so you come from many germs? - that’s what German means.

I am NOT a zionist but I am a staunch ‘gentile’ suporter of Israel. I’ve spent nearly a year there - having been there five times in total - sadly not since 1993.

TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP …

ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND!!!

By advisor

December 1, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

CALLING ALL FAT GIRLS! CALLING ALL FAT GIRLS! FREE ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFETT TODAY IN THE AJC LOBBY! BRING YOUR OWN BARF BAGS PLEASE, IT SEEMS DIRTY DANISH HAS TAKEN ALL OF THE AJC PROVIDED FREE BARF BAGS, SO SHE CAN RE ENJOY HER FREE BUFFETT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE WEEKEND. END TRANSMISSION.

By Southern Democrat

December 1, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Some fun topics today for a Friday, particularly as Mr. Wooten has addressed issues facing NYC and D.C., two cities in which I lived for long stretches and are near and dear to my heart (but nothing beats the South, friends).

First, I would think that Mayor Bloomberg’s statements fall into the “Common Sense” category that is a theme of this column. Fifty shots is excessive, plain and simple. The undercover officers overreacted and will be punished accordingly. What is terrible is that a whole bundle of lives are ruined. A very, very close friend is one of New York’s Finest and commented that there is a delicate balance between political support and an unnecessary culture of police-worship that allows young recruits to feel immortal and beyond reproach. I would say that the N.Y.P.D. is doing a little bit better than any law enforcement agency in the Atlanta area and that Mayor Bloomberg still has the respect of the rank and file.

As for D.C., don’t you conservatives know a good compromise when you see one? In the spirit of Philadelphia, give one, take one… it’s not complicated. To the poster who lamented “the way D.C. was meant to be” regarding federal government employees being its only full-time residents, please convince the over 500,000 residents of your conviction. I can tell you that it was quite a feeling of impotence to pay relatively high taxes for property, services, food, and clothing, and have no one advocating for the District. Many (including myself) thought that President Bush’s removal of the “Taxation Without Representation” license plate from the presidential limousine was an unnecessary slap in the face to the permanent residents of the city he now temporarily occupies.

Finally, the money issue is so simple that it’s not even worth discussing. If we can now update our currency to avoid counterfeiting, I think we can add some sort of feature to allow blind Americans to be able to easily discern denominations. I work near a building where a legally blind elderly man is the manager of the coffee shop. Whenever he works the cash register, he depends on the honesty of the person paying to declare which bills he or she is tendering. I also hope that the new presidential dollar coins will be as popular as the state quarters. I’m sure that TFtT will agree that the pound coin feels much more substantial and valuable than the old note (of which I still have a few).

By advisor

December 1, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

twisted truth, you are a lying joke. Ispiss is the root of all evil in the middle east, and you are a lying zionist, but that is redundant, is it not. end transmission.

By getalife

December 1, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

By time for the truth December 1, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this wankvisor = getatinybrain

No stupid.

By DebbieDoRight

December 1, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

1) The US taxes all of its territories: Guam, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico — and they don’t have representation.

2) Cops are not omnipotent and should not be allowed to even think they are. they are fallible humans who have tremendous responsibilities and with this responsibiities should be checks and balances.

3) Pssst: If your informant is a “known” criminal, you’d better check out the stuff he/she’s informing you about. Pssst: Can u say Lawsuit?

By Diogenes

December 1, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Jim,

I see in your bio that you are a Vietnam veteran and served in Army National Guard for over twenty years. It’s obvious where your political leanings came from. King Lyndon changed my politics forever, too. I find it amusing that now, from the security of your great wealth and gated community, you try so earnestly to kill off the last vestiges of the Great Society. In a column entitled “Sustainable Developments,: Welfare States, beyond Ideology” (Scientific American, November 2006, p. 42. I apologize that it is not available on line), Jeffrey D. Sachs states “In strong and vibrant democracies, a generous social welfare state is not a road to serfdom but rather to fairness, economic equality and international competitiveness.” Sachs makes more sense than any economist I’ve read in years. I recommend this column to you, as I do his other works. King Lyndon may actually have been onto something more profound than we realized at the time. What we need is better understanding of the dynamics of welfare states and an end to Bush’s War, which is currently distracting our attention away from much more important issues the at home and abroad.

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

SoDem: The AJC has an article about how long the “F” word has been around: since the Gutenberg Press in the 15th century. Isn’t that how long they’ve been printing $20 bills? I wonder if there’s a connect? Even a blind man gets screwed once in a while, cashier or no cashier, eh? Gotta love the $20 bill.

(forgive me, tipper)

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Actually Southern in one particular respect I don’t agree. The old English pound note - which was revamped several times before it was withdrawn -always felt (to me) far more substantial and valuable … simply because it was paper money. Just as the old ten bob note (back when I was but a young kid) in the now long ago pre-decimal days felt more substantial than say four half crowns or twenty sixpences.

Two pound coins are now in circulation - I have a couple of those somewhere.

Sterling still only goes up to a 50 pound note - unlike the dollar which has a $1000 note if you ask nicely at the bank.

The Scottish banks still print pound notes (last time I was over they did anyway) - I have a Clydesdale Bank pound - its legal tender all over the UK although understandably its hard to spend it in some places in England.

By Shar

December 1, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Suggesting that a fifteen year old girl and an infant are better off under the legal control of a man of violence - first raping the girl and then stealing both by force when he didn’t get his own way - is evidence of a breathtaking lack of understanding of the causes of domestic violence or respect for women as something other than chattel. In fact, it sounds as if Jim has taken on additional responsibilities as an apologist for Warren Jeffs, who has used similar excuses for his sect’s polygamous practices. Did you give any thought at all to the quality of life either of the children, mother or baby, would suffer at the hands of Mr. Hernandez?

A foxhole with W? I imagine that the comrades in arms that he so carefully avoided serving with would have been glad to have seen him in a foxhole, too. But, hey, it’s really dangerous and scary there, so he called Dad and sent some other kid in his place. Mission Accomplished!

By CJ

December 1, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Thanks to the ever-so-charming jbmlaw, Stan and Van for the history lessons. I agree with Wooten that, ideally, D.C. should be merged into an existing state. But he’d prefer the status quo over merging D.C. into Virginia. Why? Are we bound by borders that ceased to exist over a hundred years ago, or do I think too far outside the box? Or, did Redneck Convert nail it at 9:37?

jbmlaw @9:44 “Our ideologies drive all of our public policy preferences.

That’s certainly true for you jbmlaw, but it’s not true for all of us. For many of us, the search for real solutions to real problems of real people drive our public policy preferences. When a person is reality-based in their approach to public policy, liberalism is frequently the result. Ideologically-driven policies, on the other hand, tend to ignore reality.

By the way jbm, I’m still having difficulty finding any countries that retaliated to Smoot-Hawley while it was “on the table” and before the stock market crashed. I’ll keep trying though. I don’t want to believe that you’d fudge facts to support your ideology.

Advisor @9:29 “The dollar continues to die in foreign exchange markets…

You’re absolutely right. Our economy is in serious danger (thanks to Bush’s ideologically-driven economic policies).

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Mexico is rioting over their own elections: So much for the effectiveness of the “Frito ID” at voting polls, eh?

Aye Yi Yi Yi! I am the Frito Bandito. I steal all your corn chips and all your votes too, you dirty old fence building gringos……(Diebold’s anthem)

By time for the truth

December 1, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I see wankvisor is anally obsessing over Buy Danish … well done Danish. Perhaps we should have a forum whip round and send wankvisor to Ben Gurion airport for some old fashioned waterboarding and a month or two of sleep deprivation.

shalom shalom

By getalife

December 1, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

The new North American Union currency will be called the amero.

If only the Dems would fight like those in Mexico, we could clean up w’s mess and impeach him.

By Spoon Fed Liberal

December 1, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Diogenes -

-“In strong and vibrant democracies, a generous social welfare state is not a road to serfdom but rather to fairness, economic equality and international competitiveness.”-

On paper that sounds great, like most socialist policies. But here’s something you should think about and perhaps research:

Exactly how many role model products of society have come out of public housing projects, how many are currently incarcerated, and how many generations continue to dwell in them?

By Political Foreskin

December 1, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

RW: gosh, I’m speechless folks…..and that Ipod bit was a throwaway….just goes to show you, you never know what the police informants will laugh at…..

By Diogenes

December 1, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Spoon Fed Liberal,

Let me suggest that you take a look at his editorial. I think his conclusions might surprise you (they did me, which is why the reference to King Lyndon). Sorry that it’s not available on line, but I still prefer print.

With a nom de blog such as yours, I would expect you to find Sachs a refreshing change from so much of the conservative pap we’ve been fed for the past several years.

By jbmlaw

December 1, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Dear CJ @ 11:20, I do not wish to confuse you with any ideological ideas, but as to the collapse of the dollar since November 1, can you think of any event within our borders that may have triggered the collapse of confidence all over the world? Perhaps election results?

By JK

December 1, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Great points Diogenes at 11:12 and CJ at 11:20! I have no time to waste my breath today on these (insert label of choice). I will say this to the creepy woman who continues to make my skin crawl: I have no qualms about exercising my second-amendment right to separate your face from the rest of your being if you don’t back up off me, you know the label to insert here. What does that make me today: a “Libertarian,” a “Conservative,” or a “Patriot?”

Have a great weekend, y’all!

By Chickenhawk Steve

December 1, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

I’ve got some good news everyone! Jim is winning the war on Pandas.

My inside sources tell me that the Panda Name blog has 16 comments vs. 75 comments on the Wooten blog!!!!!

Jim, this is exactly the lift us Republicans needed after that horrible election night. This just proves that the conservative message is catching on again. Our great nation thanks you Jim. We’re Saved.

We are kicking the crap out of them little baby Panda’s. We may just have to bury that baby Panda in one of W’s foxholes. HA HA HA HA HA. Nice job bloggers.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Is this the article you claim is not available on line?

I have no desire to debate welfare economics with a socialist, but keep in mind that living in freedom, while offering tremendous potential for success, also has to include the freedom to fail.

By jbmlaw

December 1, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Dear CJ @ 11:20, I understand you are unfamiliar with a product called Google, but using that new-fangled device I found an inherently unreliable source – New York Times – discussing international retaliation to Smoot Hawley. Hope this helps. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D02E7D61639F934A2575AC0A963948260

By Van

December 1, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The amero should be right up your pinko- socialists alley.

I can’t wait for the public to hear about this, most folks have no idea how close the North American Union is.

Anyone check out the new Mexican Customs offices in Kansas City?

By Diogenes

December 1, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yes. Thank you. I envy you your internet skills.

By jbmlaw

December 1, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Dear CJ @ 11:20, you rightly compel me to modify my language. In my 9:44 post on “ideological public policy preferences,” in my first sentence on the subject I used the adjective “intelligent.” I should have used that modifier throughout.

By Diogenes

December 1, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

RW

Your comment: “but keep in mind that living in freedom, while offering tremendous potential for success, also has to include the freedom to fail.”

Why?

Is the vagrant who left the candle burning which caused the fire which killed the fireman lucky or lucky that he will now be charged with arson and manslaughter and get to spend a few years in jail?

By DebbieDoRight

December 1, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

  • I do not wish to confuse you with any ideological ideas, but as to the collapse of the dollar since November 1, can you think of any event within our borders that may have triggered the collapse of confidence all over the world? Perhaps election results?*

the dollar has been decreasing in value for the past 5years. u seem smart, check out the conversion rates for the past 5 years and read them for yourself.

By Buy Danish

December 1, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

JK,

It pains me to say this, but I have to conclude that you are insane.

By OleSargeE8

December 1, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

just for the history impaired; the United States Of America has NOT been at war since World War II. Congress HAS NOT fulfilled its obligation to “declare” war since December of 1941. All the “wars” since 1945 have been due to “executive action”. Have a great weekend, y’ll.

By jm

December 1, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

A foxhole would be appropriate for President Bush, since he apparently is unfamiliar with the first rule of holes: “When you find yourself in one, stop digging”.

By getalife

December 1, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Van,

I see you are informed but it is w’s agenda. It is fascism, pure and simple.

Do you support the North American Union without Congressional oversight?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Your vagrant story is immaterial to the debate over personal freedom. In a free society people can make there own choices and face the consequences of those choices. Ours is a civilized society and offers any number of shelters and helping hands, but some choose not to accept the help. The solution to that cannot be taking things away from achievers and just giving it to those that won’t fend for themselves.

That punishes achievement and does nothing to help your vagrant begin making the right choices.

By CJ

December 1, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw @12:24,

For one who comes across as being detail-oriented, you’re not.

I read the article you linked to, but it provide no information (none) about any country retaliating to Smoot-Hawley while it was 1)“on the table” and 2)before the 1929 stock market crash –- that was your assertion. If you’re going to provide me with links to five-page articles that don’t support your misinformation, then you could at least have the courtesy of warning me ahead of time.

Also — I Google just fine, and to prove it, here’s some pleasure reading for you (the person speaking is Republican Senator John Heinz): http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r106:1:./temp/~r106AYiryi:e205711:

You confuse yourself, my friend.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

The great and grand internet skills consisted of entering the following into google:

Jeffery Sachs+welfare state

It’s not really all that skillful and it was the first item that popped up. You should try it before you make a declaration that something isn’t available on line.

By ceo

December 1, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

W was quite the hole himself at Yale, we didn’t call him butt boy for nothing!

By Suburban Dictionary

December 1, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Foxhole- A large dugout where the facts, the Fair and the Balanced are buried when appearing on FoxNews.

Also see Black hole.

By advisor

December 1, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

just call the god damn bear “Jim Boy” and be done with it.

By Van

December 1, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

getalife ,

I disagree with your view point.

Its web site has “claims” of being in our best interest. I do not see this as fascism, I see it as socialism pure and simple. Bringing Canada, Mexico and Canada into a collective union, being “progressive” and with the blessings of the unions, I can not see this as anything but the forced joining of socialistic countries, Canada and Mexico with one going that way, the US.

With the new dep water ports in Mexico and a corridor from Mexico to Canada as a wide open avenue of transport - the country is doomed to be absorbed into a EU type cesspool.

This must make Teddy Kennedy giddy and former Progressive Caucus leader Pelosi turning hand springs.

I just want 50 acres of land with clear fields of fire.

By CJ

December 1, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight @12:30,

Thanks!!!

Replying to jbmlaw’s never-ending stream of misinformation requires team work. He’s relentless with his cherry-picked or false ideologically-driven facts.

By Van

December 1, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

getalife -

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