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Obama fans, happy Babs, the good life
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s free-for-all Friday. Pick a topic:
• Headline: “Most 2006 hurricane predictions turned out to be nothing but hot air.”
• In the hot-air category: Two adjunct scholars for the conservative National Center for Policy Analysis, Denis Avery and Fred Singer, say in a new book that global warming is part of a 1,500-year cycle of moderate temperature swings and that human activity has little to do with it. The current warming began about 1850 and could continue for another 500 years, they say. The book is “Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years.”
• Southern employers saw their health care costs increase by 11.8 percent to $7,196 this year. Consumer prices overall are projected to increase by 2.3 percent. Americans have to have a stake in caring what services and procedures cost — and with third-party payers, we don’t.
• Who said conservatives have not grown and matured? Bill Clinton’s neighbor was shot and I don’t suspect him. But where’d you say he was that evening?
• The media are becoming Barack Obama groupies, hanging on every word while rushing him into the White House. For goodness sakes, he’s just in the second year of representing Illinois in the U.S. Senate.
• Iran and Syria are suggesting they can be of “help” in Iraq because they saw the election results — and want to talk and dance through the remaining two years of the Bush administration. As Al Gore once said, “A zebra does not change its spots.”
• Acquiring green space is a mom-and-apple-pie issue. But if it’s worth buying it’s worth everybody paying — and not just those who are buying a home or commercial space, as was the proposal rejected by the state’s voters eight years ago.
The plan was to double the real estate transfer tax from $1 to $2 per thousand. Dedicated taxes, as proposed then, are awful. All the state’s needs should compete and all taxes collected should go into one pot.
• Headline: “Elderly dying from falls more often.” More often than once?
• With Democrats in control of Congress, “my depression is over,” announces Barbra Streisand. Well then, shoot — the conservatives’ sacrifice in surrendering control was worthwhile if it lifted Babs out of her gloom.
• You get the conduct you buy. Ordinances, like Gwinnett County’s prohibiting panhandling and camping or homesteading on public property, and Cherokee County’s proposed ordinance on renting to illegals, are helpful. Both levy a cost on undesirable activity, thus encouraging conduct the community desires — respect for the common greens and for the law.
• Just when you think the culture is in total collapse, Americans rise up and shout down something vile — in this case, the O.J. book and TV interviews.
• More evidence that the problems of the homeless are quite often unrelated to housing: A New Orleans couple left homeless by Hurricane Katrina and given a $75,000 home free by members of the Temple of Deliverance Church of God in Christ in Memphis, sells it for $88,000 without moving in and returns to New Orleans.
• Wal-Mart’s agreement that leads the American Family Association to call off its boycott is actually one that every company should adopt as corporate policy: Wal-Mart agrees it “will not make corporate contributions to support or oppose highly controversial issues unless they directly relate to our ability to serve our customers,” company officials said in a statement.
• Ah, life’s good. Sitting at an IKEA table, sipping two-buck Chuck (which actually costs three bucks), making small talk about Zoo Atlanta’s panda cub or debating whether commuter rail to Athens can best be sold as the “brain train” or the “Dawg track,” and occasionally wondering aloud whether we should be more alarmed that a lawyer we never knew (Tisha R. Tallman) for an interest group most Georgians have never heard of (Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund) took a job in the private sector or that EatZi’s had closed just before Thanksgiving, forcing some Atlantans who were counting on it for their Thanksgiving meals to go hungry. Assuming, that is, they couldn’t find a Kroger.
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By Dusty
November 24, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this
Dear Jim,
It was such a nice turkey day and I hope yours was the same. The sun is shining, my refrig is full of leftover casseroles, much sliced turkey, ripe olives and a tad of dressing. Why does a family of seven cook for fourteen? Ah, well, I shall be happy (and full) today.
I am also happy for Babs, Obama,warm Dennis and Fred, Al Gore, Clintons, Tisha Tallman and an unhappy O.J. And I wish all the Wootens a weekend of glorious contentment. How about that? Some might say “She’s full of it!” And that is right. Happy holidays!!
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
Jim,
I suppose the courteous thing to do is express wishes that you and yours had a day full of turkey, dressing, cranberry sauce, good wine, and good conversation, as Dusty has above. I so express those wishes. Hope it was a good day. Diogenes and his had a wonderful day, but after weeks of Mike’s comparisons of turkeys to Republicans, we had to have roast beef instead.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
Jim,
I tried to find reviews on the book by Singer and Avery, but was unsuccessful. Since you preface the comment with the statement, “in the hot air category,” I shall presume that you were being ironic. It took a while for Diogenes to comprehend that a conservative could acually be ironic, but once that absurdity sank in, I must for once agree with you: it’s totally ridiculous what these conservatives will contrive in the name of public policy. I laugh with you for it is pseudoscience at its scariest.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
Jim
“Most 2006 hurricane predictions turned out to be nothing but hot air.”
Aren’t we grateful? As one of the meterologists whose predication was erroneous stated, “what baseball expert picked the Tigers and Cardinals to be in the World Series.”
By @@
November 24, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
Jim:
Hurricane predictions? Do you think there’s any chance that the first hurricane of 2007 will be named “Al”?
Global Warming? You should have excluded the word “conservative”. That’s all the liberals will need to discount Avery and Singer’s assertions. On the other hand, a 1500 year old Al Gore can produce more hot air when he’s putting on 50 lbs. every year. I wonder if Tipper thinks he’s hot?
Bill? Do we really want to know where he was? Was he with Hillary or…….?
Obama? Why wouldn’t the media push a guy who has a way with words? It is, afterall, their stock and trade. Words with no substance. A liberal media’s protege.
Iran and Syria? More like help themselves to the booty. Gore actually said that? Too funny! Liberal “intelli-geez-duh”.
Greenspace? I say make developers “hug a tree” at $1,000.00 per squeeze.
Barbara? Come on Jim, the woman needs a lift from head to toe. Gravity beckons Barbara.
O.J.? So we are all in agreement. Too much Orange Juice is bad for us. Too acidic.
Homeless in NO? Screwing evangelicals. The liberals’ favorite pastime.
Wal-Mart? What do you wanna bet they’ll be making indirect contributions to the ACLU, America’s “big business” terrorists.
“Snoots” full of joe? I wonder if any of them went to Hosea’s? Naaahhhh, they’d rather just sit around and talk about it, paying $3.00 for every 150 words of wasted time.
By Redneck Convert
November 24, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
Well, it was a good Thanksgiving at the trailer. My 28-year-old girl got the day off from the rich people she babysits for, and my 30-year-old boy called in sick to the golf course greenskeeper, so he came too. He’s doing good on his 2nd career after doing a stretch in prison for making meth. But he’s learnt his lesson: next time, he won’t be buying all his Sudafed from the same store.
The missus ate most of the turkey. At 350, she says she’s down to skin and bones, and she is looking right shapely. After we eat, we went outside and played horseshoes and chewed Skoal. All except my girl. She says she has to quit or else she won’t never find a husband.
Later, Billy Bob hisself come over. He closed the bar for the day. He’s still a little miffed with me over putting TFTT up for Ornery Redneck then seeing him throw it back in our face.
Anyway, I knowed it was a mistake to give money or a house to Those People in New Orleans. Let them work to get the money to buy their own trailer. That hurrycane was Gods way of reminding them all how lazy they are.
Well, it’s back to making beer deliverys for me. I hope everbody had a good Thanksgiving, except maybe the libruls. Lets be thankful we have Sonny and Casey and Zell to stand up to that bunch of Pelousy libruls in Washington.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
JIm,
I am at least appreciative that you did not do another “rush to judgment” commentary as you did yesterday with your probably premature endorsement of the Atlanta Police Department for killing that 92 year old woman. Diogenes noted yesterday, and will again today, let’s wait for all the evidence to become available on that particular show down at the ok corral.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Jim
Al Gore was probably right about zebras; I have yet to see one change its spots. That is also an acute observation about the Bush War. The residents of that region are not going to chance their spots, either. I know why Bush would not want Iran and Syria in a conference about peace in the region, and I know why Iran and Syria would want to be included. Mike Luckovich’s cartoon is right on target. If we pull out, we lose. If we stay there, we lose.
Actually in my conversation with LTCMars yesterday, he said that his communications with the troops in Iraq indicated that they believe they are making valid accomplishments. Jim, it’s obvious that we can’t stay the course; maybe diplomacy has some merit. Despite my reluctance to entrust diplomacy to Republicans, perhaps a different approach to the Bush War is needed.
By ME2OJ
November 24, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Me to OJ: You get paid to be yourself? Boy, have I found a home! Can anybody spin a jihad my way? (cat steven’s latest with a bullet)
The UN knows that alliances suck UN members into war. The UN knows this because they’ve only logged 37 minutes of peace since ww2.
Diplomatic Liasons are the path to global peace.
911? always assume that castrophes stupify observers, and never trust their judgement.
The UN knows that if W was right about the # of players in Hiroshima (the Board Game), then 37 minutes of peace sounds about right; however, the UN also knows that if this were a movie, W would be thanking paddle-whacking skull and boners and politely asking for another. (idontknowwhotobelieve)
When the peculiar get nuclear, (imagine the Bushspeak), the nuclear get peculiar.
Everybody gets their 15 minutes with the bomb. So what? They said that about continental drift. and now that’s no big deal. (makes my wife get motion sickness at the beach, though)
BTW: it takes 15 minutes to lose your soul. That’s how long it takes to insert joke here. (even if it’s just a simple double murder)
Christianity was the first internet.
I think christians should boycott dolphin free tuna. The fish is our symbol, and nobody does nuthin to da fishes. (zeitgeist deductions).
Babs wasn’t depressed. She just needed what I got Right Here. at least That’s what she said last nite. it’s great being a gangsta
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
Jim,
“You get the conduct you buy.” My goodness. The next you know, you will be advocating the use of stocks and pillories. We both know that neither one of those ordinances is enforceable. They are nothing more than show, so that the county commissioners can say, “we are fighting a valiant battle against the homeless,” and “we’re against illegal immigrants, look at our ordinance against it.” What was it Colonel Potter used to say? Horse hockey.”
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
Jim
“’Elderly dying from falls more often.” More often than once?”
The grammar’s a little confused, but the point is real. Old gezzers like Jim and Diogenes need be very concerned about the tendency to fall. The overall health is good, but the equilibrium gets a little touchy, the knees get creaky, the hip joints hurt, the ankles aren’t as rigid as they were when we were 50. Jim, it’s a serious problem. You and Diogenes best be cautious.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Jim,
You and Diogenes once again disagree. I couldn’t care less about Babs’ depression, even if it was in a good cause, and you actually say something positive about our side in sympathy. The world is turned upside down.
By Political Deckhand
November 24, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Zeitgeist Deductions: USA vs IRAQ: IUD vs IED
Acronyms that define the soul of both cultures are nearly identical.
nancy pelosi embodies our culture better than any woman yet born in america. She’s sensational. She’s our instant queen, and our certain next president.
Vice president Obama. (lovin’ the love in the future)
Just 3 letters: IUD embodies our culture for the last fifty years better than al gore did with 100 minutes of screen time. (totally unfair. who do Neo-newts get to look at? ew)
IED: Iraq was totally preventable. US No Fly Zone gave us total air supremacy and UN partners gave us access to WMD inspections. Why cause all this? Churchill fought the grandfathers of the same shia we now face.
By james
November 24, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Why does Srgio Maya Hernandez get to allegedly knock up a 14 or 15 year old hispanic girl, and not be arrested as a child molestor? Is Srgio an illegal alien? Is the girl also an illegal alien? Is the baby what is called the golden ticket to ride by illegals, an anchor baby. Now that they are allegedly on their way back to Mexico, why are the police trying to stop them? Where were the police when they allegedly snuck across be Mexican border? Where were the police when this alleged child molestation was occuring? So why the sudden national police interest as the illegals are about to get the hheellll out of america?
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this
Jim,
You gave Diogenes too many choices today. Best stop now.
Glad your meal and conversation yesterday was as satisfying and enlightening as mine.
By CJ
November 24, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Wooten: “Two adjunct scholars for the conservative National Center for Policy Analysis, Denis Avery and Fred Singer, say in a new book that global warming is part of a 1,500-year cycle of moderate temperature swings and that human activity has little to do with it.”
Jim,
Did you say Fred Singer? Isn’t that the guy that argued that second-hand smoke is harmless? Isn’t he the one who argued that CFCs don’t harm the ozone? Didn’t he argue that over-exposure to the sun’s UV rays can’t lead to skin cancer? Isn’t he the guy whose “think tanks” (i.e. front groups) receive funding from oil, tobacco and other industry groups? Seriously…isn’t this guy a joke? Honestly Jim, do you care more about the plutocrats of today than you do about the children of today? I think so.
There’s nothing conservative about taking risks at the possible expense of future generations. If there’s doubt about whether global warming is caused by human activity (there isn’t), then we should err on the side of caution — that’s the conservative position.
By james
November 24, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
Jim is just hoping that global warming is real enough to generate a hurricane that will get him out of that overpriced condo in Florida that is a dead weight about his financial neck. I myself am hoping global warming is real, accelerating, and about to change the climate very dramatically. Then again, I really don’t like people.
By Fried green porkrinds
November 24, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Baker’s report is already obsolete, because he doesn’t know the reality on the ground in Iraq. The news in Iraq is evolving exponentially and no assessment can live for more than 15 minutes.
A reality has emerged. The news is way behind it. The shia superstate is upon us. Iraq and Iran Shia Populations: Ethnically they are polar racial opposites. Their bond is hatred. Racism and Hatred. They’ll make a great ice skating team at the olympics. (double axis-powered triple toe moops)
explanation of “moops”: moops was the typo for moors (islamic hoards) on seinfeld with the bubble boy….Iraq’s bubble government… arabs cant pronounce their “l”s for loop…there are tribal ties with populations in china. long way, eh?
when you have to explain the jokes insert insult here
By Foy Evans
November 24, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Down here in Middle Georgia I thoroughly enjoy your musings “from the right.” One of things that I have learned by getting old is “if it isn’t life threatening” don’t let it bother you. It just isn’t worth it. A couple of incidents that are life threatening can put things in perspective. Most of the things we are prone to get upset about, including politics, will fade away if left alone.
By Rod
November 24, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
Well, Jim - I’m glad to see that you, too, are offended by the entire O.J. Simpson interview and book.
Only on an extreme right televsion network like Fox could the idea have even been dreamed up!!
By time for the truth
November 24, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
This Kenyan-American Obama Osama is a joke - his quite obtuse insights - if you can even call them that, are actually of no greater value/worth than the average Sun reader in England or the average NY Post Reader. Giving political power to such nonentities is dangerous but is sadly inevitable with the level of multi-culti pandering that yankkkee leftists obsessively indulge in. What exactly has this much pandered to jobbie actually contributed to the national political discourse other than being half black and peddling increasingly nauseating liberal platitudes? At least half the senate - including a few GOPers (from Maine, one from Arizona, one from Nebraska etc) are not very bright. Its truly frightening that such mediocrity has such immense political power.
Big nose Streisand is actually dimmer and much more stupid than Osama Obama as the drunken DUI killer Kenneday calls him and big nose has even less to say of any worth.
I see the singularly unfunny Redneck Inbred has slithered out into cyber space once more with the usual witless irrelevant drivel. Perhaps if his fantasy house-husband Billy Bob kicked him in the nuts and then kicked him out and made him sleep in his fictional stolen beer truck Inbred might finally have something worthy of a hooded/coded yankkkee whine.
The hysterical leftist media fuss about this murderous old woman who really tried to kill three innocent Atlanta cops is getting ever more nauseating. Watch for more odious black activist snouts deep in the trough as more lawyers get involved.
Funny how GOP run metro counties, like Gwinnett and Cherokee, which try to protect their residents from some of the nastiest effects of liberalism are assailed for taking baby steps toward doing the right thing.
It was both refreshing and hugely surprising to actually see even some liberals expressing genuine disgust over slasher Simpson’s payday. Perhaps slasher Simpson has taken a leaf out of the congressional black caucus’ book and hidden the interview cash in his freezer.
By deegee
November 24, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
There is a direct relationship between higher health care costs and an increasingly obese population. Someone that can’t control their eating habits is unlikely to care about what it costs to go to the doctor. Stop giving out motorized wheelchairs and handicap stickers. They should be forced to park in the very back of the lot and walk their fat behinds down every aisle at WallyWorld.
By Aloysius
November 24, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
Diogenes:
If indeed your name came from where I THINK it did, are we in for as much trouble as your namesake has caused?
BTW: If you don’t understand the reference in my name, you didn’t get your name where I think you did… the only place I’ve ever heard of it…
By time for the truth
November 24, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
Then again, I really don’t like people.
happily your misanthropy is more than adequately mirrored back right at ya by everyone bubbaturd.
By Rod
November 24, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
I guess I really should give some credit this Thanksgiving Season to tftt. She’s actually quite talented - it’s gotta be hard to type as well as she does when her head’s stuck so far up her @ss.
By Rod
November 24, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
Hey Diogenes - I see at 9:30 you commented about a premature rush to judgement about the Atlanta police killing that 92 year old woman.
If you were the police entering and she fired at you - exactly what would you have done? Huh? Huh?
Yes - the police bought drugs at that house earlier in the day and upon going through the house, they found illegal drugs. I’m sure the woman herself is innocent, but drugs were sold at the house and were contained inside the house. The police were right in raiding it and unfortunately a scared old woman shot at them.
Maybe she never knew her grandson/nephew/son/cousin (whoever) was selling drugs at her home. But the police are innocent in this tragedy.
By time for the truth
November 24, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
I see snivelling moron rod is no longer glibly dispensing death threats but it still has severe problems with it’s usual gender issues.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Rod (1048),
I was suggesting that Jim’s endorsement of the Atlanta Police Department for killing that incarnation of Wyatt Earp had best wait until all the information was available. I know that conservatives oft rush in where angels fear to tread, and I was merely cautioning Jim that he might want to wait until we all know a little more.
By time for the truth
November 24, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
I also see that snivelling moron rod is cretinously and very convincingly playing the far left imbecile again - brainlessly and dishonestly confusing the Fox entertainment network with the Fox News Channel. At least moron rod graciously and generously ONE LAST TIME (allaaaargh willing!!!) gives us all a chance to hilariously laugh at it over its blatant pig ignorance of current affairs.
By Andy
November 24, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
Jim, RU saying that the Katrina victim’s new home only appreciated 15% in the year since Katrina? The housing bubble really did burst. If this isn’t a market message, nothing is.
I’d bail. (no pun)
By Buy Danish
November 24, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
“I tried to find reviews on the book by Singer and Avery, but was unsuccessful”
Diogenes,
Googling is not rocket science. Try this
Out of 69,500 responses you should be able to find a review or two.
By test your shia IQ
November 24, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Test your shia knowledge here.
A). How many times is Israel mentioned in the Shia Superstate Articles of Confederation…..
1) Zero
2) Once
3) Infinity
4) Allah the above
B) How funny is it that we have a malaprop as prez during our strangelove diplomacy with islamists?
1) Not funny
2) Very funny
3) @@
3a) the proper term is islamics
4) the american people are too Rachel Ray’d to care if there’s a difference between the mis-pronounciation of islamists or islamics.
By Ditzty Malloy
November 24, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
Jim good comments on Wal-Mart. But let me tell you of a situation that happened to me last night.
You know how Wal-Mart has said it will now say “Merry Christmas” instead of that God-awful “happy holidays”?
Well, you are not going to believe this. My local Wal-Mart opened at 12 midnight last night to begin the Christmas season and guess what. The very feminine looking greeter (who was obviously from Mexico) Looks at me and says in his gay-accent “happy holidays”!!
WHAT HAPPENED TO “MERRY CHRISTMAS”, Wal-Mart???????? Isn’t it obvious Wal-Mart? Deck the Halls? Does that ring a bell? HEEELLLOOOOO
I think Operation Rescue should reinstate their Wal-Mart Boycott. NOW!
Comprahendie Wal-Mart? If they ever say that “Felixs Navedaad” to me I’ll go ballistic.
By Buy Danish
November 24, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
I know that conservatives oft rush in where angels fear to tread, and I was merely cautioning Jim that he might want to wait until we all know a little more.
Diogenes,
Perhaps you would like to apply that logic to Liberals and the fools who buy the hoax of man-made global warming?
By Dye Brainless
November 24, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
Dye Brainless is so hi-tech and square root. She knows all about google. She can click mouses, and navigate web sites. She rules the chitchat dotcoms.
Why are people holding on to the glory they gleaned in the nineties when email made you an Einstein?
Nobody cares anymore. Quit trying to milk a dead herring, Red Dye.
I’m an excellent googler. yeah, excellent googler, yeah, excellent googler, yeah.
By Rod
November 24, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
I see that at least tftt is ADMITTING that the Fox News channel isn’t really news - just the extreme right’s opinion network.
By Dye Brainless
November 24, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
Global Warming: the birth of our planet was the churning of the inside to the outside and man’s exhaust couldn’t possible affect anything that stinky. Global Warming is a great way to sell soap and coca cola and books, and dont you love this country. we actually buy books about stink. You know, I dont mind the stink, it’s the filth I mind. But the man, he wont let us clean it up. They have global warming cars right now, but the man wont let us have it. So we get the stink…Let me tell you I’ve seen filth….aw, i dont want to talk about it.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
Buy Danish (1124),
No doubt you’re correct. I chose not to take that much time trying to find a trustworthy review in Google. I chose instead to go to Galileo databases, to Book Index with Reviews. I presumed that at least the Library Journal might have a review. Alas, it did not. Since the standard reviewers did not choose to review it, I chose to go no farther. But remember, Jim was being ironic and calling it “hot air.”
By JK
November 24, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
The global warming debate is interesting; I’d like to hear more. We have oil-industry-sponsored experts renouncing what the majority of scientists claim to believe: that human comsumption and pollution is negataively affecting the global atmosphere. The financial motive of the fossil fuel energy corporations is clear. They want us to continue consuming and polluting at a rate that keeps them flush and maximizes their investments.
But what is the financial motivation of those who suggest we cut back on our consumption and pollution, and look for ways to conserve, recycle, and create clean energy? And how are they financing the majority of scientists who say we should do that immediately, if not yesterday? What is their payoff to all these “liberal” information (er, sorry “propaganda”) outlets like the Discovery and History Channels? I mean, who knew the tree huggers were so rich? Where’s it coming from?
I’m all about following the money trail. Can anyone assist here?
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
Buy Danish (1134),
Your comment, Perhaps you would like to apply that logic to Liberals and the fools who buy the hoax of man-made global warming?”
Oh no. I do NOT believe that global warming is a hoax. Heavens no. The evidence is overwhelming and from many different directions. I believe there may be some evidence that shows that a larger cycle than 1500 years is at work contributing to the warming trend, but the evidence for human contributions are even greater. Now that China and India are developing strong economies, their need for energy will necessitate more and more use of coal to create electricity. The threat that global warming could have serious consequences in our lifetime is real. My word, to think you for a moment believed that I might have been deceived by those pseudoscientists who try to create a hoax by denying the existence of global warming is worrisome.
By james
November 24, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
If jim, tftt, van, markus, and their ilk have any balls at all, they will critize Vladamir Putin. I personally like and admire Vladamir, and would never critize him.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
JK
Some of the evidence that seems most persuasive is being done by biologists, botantists, and related disciplines. They are finding that animals are breeding earlier than they have since the study began (in some cases the studies are 50 or more years old, especially in England), flowers are blooming earlier, plants and animals have pushed their ranges farther and farther north. These studies cannot be distorted; it’s too easy to check up on them.
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
JK,
The most persuasive evidence is being provided by biologists, botanists, and related disciplines. They are discovering that animals are breeding earlier; in some cases even before their primary food source has provided fruit; flowers are blooming earlier; trees are putting out leaves earlier; plants and animals are moving their ranges farther north. Some of these studies are been on-going for many years and are follow-ups to studies that are even older, especially in England, where natural history has been of public interest since the late 1700’s. These studies can’t be faked because it’s too easy to doublecheck them.
By James
November 24, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
I agree Diogenes, animals are breeding earlier and earlier, especially those stinking mexicans.
By JK
November 24, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Diogenes, thanks for the natural history info. Scientists are interesting, IMO; sadly, we live in a culture that calls them nerds while worshipping [actors pretending to be]action heroes, and lauding the genius of Donald Trump. But studying and understanding science — the wondrous world our Creator gave us — while less glamorous, is so much more important than we realize or acknowledge. Before modern science, starvation and disease ruled the fates of men. Ignoring science could lead us to other catastrophes, IMO. Something to think about.
By deegee
November 24, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Felixs Navedaad! you ignorant bunch of rednecks.
By Political Foreskin
November 24, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
If OJ or Kramer can apologize, then I certainly have to right to confess and apologize: I only want to pay my taxes. However, all my businesses went bankrupt. I am a drain on this economy because all my money making machines got barely aloft when they tailspinned. That’s my entire revenue story. I’m the living proof that heavier than air flight is impossible - not as rube golberg, or murphy, but as ralph cramden. That, along with Delta’s proof - kinda seals it, dont you think?
Now I know that Oprah is correct about business and personality: you must view yourself as a servant, and decide that you wont spend another second trying to find that person that you yourself are any better than.
Enable others. Period.
Are you a hillary or a nancy? (ugly betty or veronica mars?)
I think the Liberal’s Lunatic-Fringe (monopoly of moonpies) should boycott turtle-safe tuna ranging devices… nobody gets to do nuthin’ to da fishes.
The Islamist’s Godfather: “leave the jihad, take the canoli”
Have U hugged a mullah today?
By Thinking Clearly
November 24, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Thinking Right 11/24/2006
Where do I start?
“Two adjunct scholars……say global warming is part of a 1,500 year cycle.”
Is that adjunct like attached to a faculty or staff in a temporary or auxiliary capacity? To be fair, which all of you conservatives claim to be, how about telling us how many full time scientists believe in global warming?
Iran and Syria are suggesting they can be of “help” in Iraq because they saw the election results — and want to talk and dance through the remaining two years of the Bush administration.
How do you know this is because of the election results? Naturally when we took out Iraq the natural enemy of Iran they will fill the void left by our, make that Bush’s war mongering, in attacking Iraq.
More evidence that the problems of the homeless are quite often unrelated to housing: A New Orleans couple left homeless by Hurricane Katrina and given a $75,000 home free by members of the Temple of Deliverance Church of God in Christ in Memphis, sells it for $88,000 without moving in and returns to New Orleans.
Capitalism, you should be all for it. They sold something for a profit and moved where they wanted to. Makes no difference if it was given to them or not, it was theirs.
By Chazman
November 24, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
The media are becoming Barack Obama groupies, hanging on every word while rushing him into the White House.
Sound familiar? That’s exactly what the media did in ‘99 and ‘00 with Dubya. (and you conservatives know it. He could do no wrong with the media, or if he did, it was overlooked) And look what it got us. Someone who was not ready to be president. Same with Obama.
The headline today didn’t surprise me. “Babs”. I really think Wooten has a thing for her. He can’t stop talking about her. What is it JW, the looks or the personality that has you so infatuated?
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
Got to go shelf books. Bye now.
By jbmlaw
November 24, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon all; trust your Thanksgiving was an enjoyable as ours. Our friend Diogenes frames the two issues that catch my interest, one I agree and one not. On global warming, I am comfortable that it is real, and that mankind has nothing to do with it and can do nothing to stop it. The consequences are obvious - New York City and San Francisco under water, beach front buying opportunities in Greenland; there is probably a downside too, but I cannot imagine one.
As to the latest human sacrifice to the drug wars, that’t the last time that Grandma will make the mistake of living in a world where the free market is forbidden.
Signing out, have a great day all.
By Buy Danish
November 24, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
I know that you have fallen hook for the Global Warming hoax.
You need a sarc meter.
BTW, some branches of my Spring- flowering Viburnum are blooming. I’m blaming it on Al Gore’s big fat carbon footprint.
By james
November 24, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
Barack Obama is a young Idi Amin in the making.
By james
November 24, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Ok, ok, the idi amin comment was wrong. I ment to say Barack Obama is a young Robert Mugumbe in the making.
By Political Foreskin
November 24, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
The sexiest women are scientists. there’s no question that when you know your comments aren’t going to be wasted on a dolt, you can achieve the highest form of personal expression, because you spend the time to make them count.
Einstein didn’t see that about his wife even though she shaped Relativity. The sexiest woman who ever lived and he left her for his cousin, who didn’t know squat about relativity and who stfu. He left his wife cause she was talking. Even though her words were from a mind so incredibly smart. Women talking is hell, and not even einstein can stand it. Confucius say Man who hears wife have head in Confusion.
You see, you get to a point in Cosmology where the math can prove your theories and let you know if you’re proceeding properly in your thought experiments about radiation, (which is all Einstein and his wife ever talked about ever). They were of a few dozen people in the world conversant in relativity. Einstein’s wife did all the math and thus knew where the next logical steps in Relativity should aim. Einstein could not do the math, and he faltered and failed. He didn’t understand the nature of radiation. but then nobody does.
Einstein’s pathos: He was trying to find the mistake he made in the math on his deathbed, man.
Kramer Headline: No, No, Kosmo!
By @@
November 24, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
test your shia IQ a/k/a/ Political Foreskin @ 11:31:
For your reading enjoyment:
The first thing to know is that extreme Islamics, the ones who blow up cars, trucks, and a lot of people, while lopping off heads are “Islamists,” not Islamics.
Repeat after me. Islamists, not Islamics are the terrorists.
Now if you want to talk about humorists vs. humorics (the latter being the religion of self-love), there’s always the Zeroth Law of Humorics, which states “Humor, above all, must satisfy the humorist.”
And PF’s just does not satisfy his perceived “Evil Terrorist @@.”
So tell me Political Foreskin, do they really pay you to strap on a suicide belt at comedy clubs, or are you just suffering from delusions of grandeur?
By james
November 24, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Barack Obama’s perfect running mate is —-Kramer.
By james
November 24, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
Bi-tch maker, Bi-tch maker, make me a Bi-tch. Sing it fat girl, sing it!
By Cletus Snow
November 24, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Obama and Babs what a combination together they couldn’t lead a horse to water.the alligator people all mouth and no ears. It’s a sad state of affairs when a 92 year old lady is murdered by storm troopers in her own home,Am I surprised they found drugs in her home,HAH I would have been totally amazed if they hadn’t, Everyone knew, it’s the business they’re in. Do I think they planted them, YES I DO, only the fools think the cops aren’t going to do whatever they have to to cover their asses they always do.There needs to be an independent investigation into this case.
By deegee
November 24, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Here’s something of interest for those of you that feel helpless in the fight against global warming. Don’t buy any more nylon, polyester and acrylic. Check the label when shopping for the spouse this HOLIDAY season - no more cheap acrylic sweaters and socks. Put your money where your mouth is and buy cashmere.
http://www.slate.com/id/2151797
By james
November 24, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
I agree Cletus Snow, we need to interogate the cops under drugs and torture, per the Patriot Act. We will get the truth, piggy, yes we will.
By Ditzty Malloy
November 24, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
”. Don’t buy any more nylon, polyester and acrylic”
I see you’re anti-Wal-Mart also. Welcome aboard.
BOYCOTT WAL-MART
By time for the truth
November 24, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
I see snivelling moron rod’s empty lies and dishonesty keeps on keeping on. FNC is not extreme right you sad brainless plonker. Its fair and balanced with an unacceptable number of lefties and far left lefties allowed to spew their paid Bush hate every day as Fox News Contributors.
The Russian fascist Putin needs to swiftly meet the same fate he and his neo-KGB thugs have viciously meted out to a growing number of heroic, unarmed now dead vocal opponents.
By Dat Dern Cat!
November 24, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Washington DC was built in a wet humid swamp, where the humidity was so high that gunpowder too finely ground would not ignite. That saved Andrew Jackson when a terrorist/insane guy tried to shoot him with both of his pistols. He had ground the gunpowder too fine, in an effort to make it sure to ignite. But they didn’t know about humidity, or low pressure systems, or doplar radar back then, and the prez was saved. yaay!
And now you know the (o) of the story. Paul Garvey….goodday!
By james
November 24, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
thank you tftt, thank you. I have printed and sent to the russian embassy your comments about the beloved russian leader. Ah sure hope the kgb has some free time next week, he he he.
By james
November 24, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
Dusty is such a teacher suck up, did you see the oh so nice greeting he gave jim upon jimmy boy’s return, and in today’s first post? After all that nasty bashing of people the two weeks before, dirty-stinkin-dusty tells teacher “some of the children ran wild.”
By Curious Observer
November 24, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
By all means take the US back to the Stone Age while allowing China and India to pollute to their hearts’ content.
Do I believe global warming exists? Yes. Do I believe air pollution is the major cause? Yes. Am I for the global warming treaty? No. If, indeed, our earth is in an environmental crisis, then all countries should implement the same anti-pollution restrictions. There should be no exemptions that put the United States and many advanced countries at a competitive disadvantage.
By deegee
November 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Dusty is really a nine-year-old kid that is bored with Harry Potter and enjoys annoying the adults.
By time for the truth
November 24, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Likewise I have sent a copy of the vicious death threat against Putin made by james every day for the past six months or so to the KGB by e-mail, quoting james “directly”, so watch out for radioactive chitlings and anthrax flavoured original recipe fried chicken next week bubba.
By JK
November 24, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Just checking in to see if anyone could identify the financial motive and source of funding for the great “hoax” of global warming. Like, how is the “librul media” going to make a fortune if we start carpooling and conserving? No great, globally-perpetuated “hoax” can persevere without a financial motive. ((Look at religion for a successful example.)*
C’mon “Conservatives!” If it’s a hoax, then show me the money trail, the cost-benefit analysis, and the ROI for those so skillfully pulling our legs!
By Father James
November 24, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
9 out of 10 alter boys prefer ribbed condoms.
By Ernie Logman
November 24, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Obama - is less Qualified and has less experience than Dan Quayle did in 1988
By Diogenes
November 24, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish (1247)
BTW, some branches of my Spring- flowering Viburnum are blooming
Probably has more do with the fact that you live in Georgia, then with global warming. Now, if you saw an armadillo in your backyard, that would probably be the result of global warming.
By I Voted for the War Even Though I'm a Sissy
November 25, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
I’m a chickenhawk cowardly drunk. I’m open minded though.
I’m not wearing any underpants!
By I Voted for the War Even Though I'm a Nancy Boy
November 25, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
Or girl.
Whatever. I like Bi Danish and men in uniforms - even Mickey Dee’s.
What’s that make me?
By I Voted for the War Because I Love Abu Ghraib
November 25, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this
Nekkid butt pyramids and dirty underwear on my head?
Count me in!
By I Voted for the War and then ran and hid under my bed
November 25, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
I’m a very scared little boy. Or girl.
Whatever.
By Ugly Betty
November 25, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
I voted for peace and then Bobby Kennedy shot me. (the dairy of ugly betty)
ugly betty. she’s so ugly that clinton vetoed her earmarks……ew.
By Ugly Betty
November 25, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
Means Chairman Rangel is a democrat, but his example of what would make congress rethink their vote on the iraq war is incorrect. The correct example is, “If W had presented the evidence today, where we know every single piece of it is useless, no hawk would have voted for war.”
Instead ,with no iraq, W would have gotten a carte blanche in Afghanistan, and we would now be at peace, with the global war on terror better confronted.
W made the Napolean mistake of not securing the victory: Always finish your opponent’s army off. Dont leave a clean up squad to be slaughtered when the enemy regroups like they always do always did and always will.
That’s what he should have said, but he’s a democrat, and he always gets it wrong.
Just resign, w, my little, little napolean.
By Ugly Betty
November 25, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
The elderly are dying from falls more often. I know. I’m old. I fell.
I remember I used to get pre-approved credit cards in the mail. Now I get letters telling me I’m pre-approved for Assisted Living. At the Platinum level! across the front of the letter is has big red letters: “You may already be a geezer!”
Ever notice how more radioactive the metal is then the higher your balance can be on a credit card? There’s gold, silver, platinum, titanium, and now….introducing the uranium 235 visa! Give yourself an xray! Give your wife a mammogram! Give that nasty waiter radiation burns! Yes, the uranium 235 visa. Your credit’s half life will last 40 thousand F’in years.
Special isotopes available in New York, New Hampshire, and Vermont. Void where prohibited by GreenPeace Vigilantes.
This is an old bit I wrote in 1995. It killed at Eddie’s Attic for a few minutes, one night. Then they boo’d.
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
This is great advice from the hippie- dippie CO2 obsessed:
Aside from your refrigerator, your dryer is your household’s most energy-sucking appliance. To increase its efficiency and save CO2 emissions, put it in a part of the house that’s typically warm.
My Earth-saving suggestion would be to put in in the family room near the fireplace. The Dryer can be used as a tv/stereo stand.
Or during the winter solstice, you could place a tree made of hemp, dyed with natural green food coloring, on top and decorate it with some recycled soy milk caps hung on brightly colored organic thread (Or just bring that marijuana plant inside for the winter).
The other option is to use the dryer as a bedside table. The rhythmic sound of clothes spinning around is a great soporiphic and safer than Ambien, or you could use it as a sort of metromome for practicing neo-tantric yoga.
By Donald J. Daniel
November 25, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
Please, somebody out there, explain why the laws against illegal aliens entering our country are not being enforced by the INS and why we do not deport illegal aliens. I just thought our laws were to be enforced but obviously our immigration laws are not applicable to illegal aliens.Sad.
By al hamil
November 25, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
WHY ARE YOU JEALOUS OF BARACK OBAMA?
YOUR EXPERIENCE ARGUMENT FAILS BECAUSE LOOK AT WHERE THE EXPERIENCE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS GOTTEN US. TIME FOR SOME NEW BLOOD…TIME TO KICK OUT YOU OLD GEISERS.
By jbmlaw
November 25, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. JK asks a good question @ 2:57 yesterday. There are two dynamics at work, one financial and the other political.
The financial beneficiaries are mostly obvious: those who would get government money to study the “problem.” I suppose those who manufacture phony cures - all styled as pollution control devices - would stand to make a lot of money.
The larger class of potential beneficiaries from global warming are those politicians who always seek a means of controlling out lives. Like medieval priests they are the only ones who can guide us to salvation, and if we fail to follow their instructions to the letter we will suffer the most grievous deaths. You know, same old same old leftist spiel.
If you remember Amchitka from around 1971 or, even better, the refrigerant scare proffered by AlGore in the 1990s, you have a good picture of the sales pitch. The Freon scare was a particularly funny one - there, around the time the Dupont patents were about to expire and free enterprise could kick in, suddenly the AlGores (I don’t blame the Clinton’s for this one) discovered Freon was going to end all mankind. You always wonder if they are idiots who truly believe this stuff, or whether they are crooks using this to magnify their power.
By Think Tank Timmy
November 25, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Why didn’t they get Osama? Rummy’s 10 week delay (treason) sending reinforcements (took his football and went home…literally) should not have been fatal. They still could have gotten behind Osama and flushed him out in the open, where he certainly did end up fleeing on the highway. I would have had 100 helicopters and 50 jets bombing everything that fled my checkpoints as my army swept his positions. This was the worst handled war, even worse than Iraq. (another Gen. Franks. what are the odds?) Two gen. franks ruined both Desert Storm part one and part duh).
The first general franks (1990) did not follow orders to attack. Schwartzkoff didn’t fire him then and there, and allowed franks to wait till it was too late to bag the republican guard. Lincoln had his McClellen. 41 had his Schwartzkoff.
The second general franks is the very likeable, retiring gentleman we know today. He was a peter principle general and he alone bears the guilt for Osama’s rebirth. What kind of attack plan relies on foreign nomads? (more treason, sorry). When you are at war, and someone makes a bonehead play like that, you have to courtmartial, and then shoot him. It’s the law of the jungle or something. We had putzfutzers for generals in both iraq wars.
We had Osama cold. All we had to do was reach out and grab him. (and then shoot him).
BTW: I demand the surrender of Osama Bin Laden. Gee, should I risk sending another general out there to bag him? Bungling bumbling bubblegumshoes!!
I could get Osama in three days with just a den of cub scouts armed with sling shots. I’d be the den mother and everything.
Since w relinquished his role as commander in chief to cheney, who relinquished it to the Saudi Royal Family, then everybody’s fired.
I SAID EVERYBODY!!
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
jmblaw,
Global Warming fascism is Big Business:
U.S. taxpayers now pay about $4 billion per year to global change scientists and government bureaucrats associated with global warming. If global warming were found to be not much of a problem, what do you think would happen to the budgets, employment and advancement opportunities of those with a vested interest in global warming? (We have even had calls for the forcible silencing and imprisonment of global warming skeptics by some global warming doomsayers. Such calls and intimidation of those seeking honest answers can only lead to biased research or worse.)
People are being paid to tell us that if everyone would just move their dryer to a warm spot we could fight the forces of the sun and live blissfully ever after.
By Think Tank Timmy
November 25, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
I think we are well warned away from pot plants by Rent Sweden’s efforts.
Indeed, it is the failure of Sex, Drugs, Rock and Roll, to solve the baby boomer’s problems that led to the break up of the beatles and the explosion of journalists on the net. And now everybody is a journalist. You’ve heard of chatrooms? Now there’s chatwombs. Second trimesters are blogging. Navels are USB ports. it’s outta control.
Fetal Blog, Wombdate 2.5: Mommie had a breakfast burrito, but I dont dare enter the neutral zone and undo all the work of the sex-treaty my parents salvaged of their galactically mismatched union….not an order of fries too… How much can that woman eat? I’m already bulemic. How many calories can swimming-around burn? Do doctors think they’re grilling at a tailgate party when they use the forceps on birthin’ babies???
Can we enforce some rules about who gets to midwife? Doctors are just hairy midwives. They still tell the same wive’s tales and folklore-stuffing that lincoln heard from his doctors.
now i’m mad: and look at automobile design! they’re still making horse drawn carriages. the same platform and shock absorber approach. unbelievable. The funniest thing of all is car seat design. hey, engineers: people got spines. yeah they gotta be rigid back there or they flop over. yeah. try thinking for yourselves, and quit copying the fallen tree stump for chair thing that neanderthal invented by flopping down on a log. try inventing something. .
I’m glad I’m only 20 weeks. sleepy time. bye.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
There’s an interesting article in the December, 2006, edition of Scientific American concerning CO2 emissions and their contribution to global warming. It’s in a column called “Ask the Experts,” and is the response to the question, “How can global warming be traced to CO2?”
Go to www. sciam.com/askexpert
scroll down to heading “environment” and click on the question
By Think Tank Timmy
November 25, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Global warming is stupid. We dont know how the earth was formed. We dont know what stage of development this planet is in.
Global warming is red state talk for stay the course, because when you talk about global warming (something we dont know anything about), you aren’t talking about iraq, (something we can know something about).
Of course dont let them pour mercury in the river, but stfu about global warming.
‘muff said.
By Advisor
November 25, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
I see the neocon war of aggression against the Arab peoples is not going so well for you AmeriKan pigs. The murder has now lasted longer than the American involvement in wwii, and soon it will have cost more than the entire illegal and immoral butt kicking we got in Viet Nam, you remember, a third world country that stood its ground abainst lbj and the military-industrial complex. Ispiss is happy, they are always happy when arabs are dying. The noose of encirclement is growing tighter around your army in Iraq, soon it will close, then the annihilation phase will begin. Why? Here is a hint, the m-1 holds 300 gallons of jp fuel, and it gets 0.5 miles per gallon. On a full tank, it can go only 150 miles, and it is almost invincible. Without fuel, it goes no where, and it is a helpless fortres that can be annihilated. The smart Iraq’s in the beginning of the war let the tanks pass unmolested, because they knew that within 4 hours a thin skined poorly defended convoy of tanker trucks would follow. Destroy the tankers, and the tanks are helpless. Allah Akbar will rule the day soon. Have you looked at the value of the dollar on the world market? It is dying. Ivan and Ho are tying up 90% of the oil in the world vs 10% now controlled by the major oil companies. Soon we AmeriKan pigs will pay for a centuary of crimes against humanity.
By advisor
November 25, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Yo T3, CO2 levels are the highest in recorded history, and by that I mean ice core history. When the world changes, there will be a mass die off of people, and I trust you ignorant AmeriKan pigs will be in the forefront, as you are the ones responsible for most of the CO2 rise. I myself am safe on very high ground, with large food stores. I will enjoy watching you suffer, scum boys.
By Andy
November 25, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
no, jbm, we cant call believers idiots. we dont know anything about the planet at all. It could be warming. It could be cooling. we cant ever measure it because the problem lies in quantum chaos and eddies of probability curves that spin observations.
A planet forms from a proceedure of universe-formation that we also know nothing about. Your understanding of global warming is nobel manna for the ages. Your understanding of crooks should earn you a place in sing sing, canary boy.
Contrast that with my shangri la la.
By Pedro
November 25, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
You gringo’s stole our land, so we are just here to take it back.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
In the same edition of Scientific American (pages 50-51) is SA’s award for Business Leader of the Year. The business was Swiss Re of Zurich, Switzerland. They don’t have a link to the article, but I’ll quote some interesting portions:
“When one thinks of those trying to spread the word about the risks of global warming to society, one of the most reputedly staid industries probably does not leap to mind. Global reinsurer Swiss Re is looking to change that. Having long had its eye on climate change, the company co-sponsored a major report, released in late 2005, highlighting the potentialy disastrous economic consequences of global warming. The report notes: ‘Insurers and reinsurers find themselves on the front lines of this challenge since the very viability of their industry rests on the proper appreciation of risk.’”
The last paragraph reads: “Last year the company joined the Chicago Climate Exchange, a voluntary market for greenhouse gas emissions trading. With the release of its 2005 report, Swiss Re called on governments and global industry to take much stronger action to mitigate the consequences of climate change: ‘[L]ittle action has been taken by most governments or businesses to address the potential costs of climate change. As all insurers know, however, risk does not compliantly bow to the political or business agenda.’”
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
I think what astonishes me most is that we still have those who would deny global warming. Take a look at the article I cited above about CO2 emissions. The only issue in doubt is the consequences.
By advisor
November 25, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
Andy, your big world double talk makes no sense. Quantum Chaos my a*, you don’t even know either word means, but if you stick them together it sounds cool, eh! Here is a hint, quantum operates on the sub atomic particle level. Plantet formation operates on Newtonian levels. The two don’t mix, the equations for each are mutually exclusive (is that just another couple big sounding words thrown together to sound cool? you assignment is to find out). How the planet formed is irrevelant, as the heat of global warming is not coming from within the earth, rather it is solar in nature, at approximately the same levels it has been in all of recorded history. What has changed is the rate at which this heat is released back into space. CO2 is like a blanket that holds more of the heat in. But CO2 is not the planet killer, that is reserved for Methane, a gas 20 times more potent in hold in the earth’s heat. When the massive methane bogs around the earth melt, all the methane is going into the atmosphere, and our goose is cooked. Maybe in a few million years new life will evolve, but what is here now will be no more.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Diogenes: So what is causing the atmosphere of Mars to heat up?
Andy: Look wanker, I’m here! In person! Now your whole life has meaning again, your obsession is with you, you can be my bitc-h in real time!
Now show everybody how much your life revolves around me, psycho.
P.S. To the rest of you pinkos, how come your team always has all the mental cases on it?
Ever wonder why that is?
By Rogers
November 25, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
The Sound of Mosque Music: The shrill cry to prayer, is the sound of mosque music…..Shias with Superstates and Sunnis with Yellowcake.
Kurd-Snowflake babies that lost all their mittens, vengence that ends up with kurds cut to ribbons - these are a few of my scariest things.
When the war ends, and Iraq bends, when we cut and run, I’ll simply dismember old saddam hussein and then it will seem…so fun.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (1114)
Your inquery: “So what is causing the atmosphere of Mars to heat up?”
Totally a moot point.
By Rogers
November 25, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
That chart is a joke. dio, i’m sorry, but you realize that your data is flawed not only in the raw numbers, but in the conception of which data to contrast with which criteria that might infer global warming?
You would have been just as correct to point out the consumption curve of “Fizzies” by early baby boomers. Plop Plop fizz fizz. global warming’s what it izz….(give that man a grant)
I’m saying that man is incapable of discerning the path to proper scientific protocol to measure planetary cycles.
and i think it’s a damn shame.
By Rogers
November 25, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Knowing what tecto-atmospheric cycles persist on mars would help us very much in forming reliable theories about earth cycles.
By I Voted for the War But I'm Too Queer for the Army
November 25, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Heck I’m too queer for the Navy!
I’m too queer for Liza Minelli!
But not too queer for Bi Danish…
And I’m way too cowardly, too. Of course.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
Rogers (1128),
I’d respond to your inquery, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I don’t recall that I introduced any charts into the discussion.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
By Diogenes November 25, 2006 11:17 AM Totally a moot point.
Why, because you can’t defend it?
By advisor
November 25, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Who knows why Mars is undergoing some slight change, but only a fool would extrapolate changes on Mars to Earth, a place where we live and have much more intimate knowledge about.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Look at this failure monitoring the board waiting for me:
By I Voted for the War But I’m Too Queer for the Army November 25, 2006 11:39 AM Heck I’m too queer for the Navy!
It answered me within seconds.
What a wonderful, fulfilling normal life this “person” must lead.
Not.
The rest of you liberals should be so proud!
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (1143)
Because it is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
The temperature on Mars is of concern only to Spirit and Opportunity and their handlers. I doubt that it has any bearing on this discussion.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
By advisor November 25, 2006 11:45 AM Who knows why Mars is undergoing some slight change, but only a fool would extrapolate changes on Mars to Earth, a place where we live and have much more intimate knowledge about.
Maybe because the solar patterns of the Sun, which both planets have in common, are warming up????????
Heh??
Look at these libs, if they can’t cite some stupid Al Gore talking point, then you just have to have “faith” in what they say.
By I Voted for the War But Can't Serve
November 25, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
I’m not potty trained yet.
Oh - and I have a big yellow streak down my back.
By Political Deckhand
November 25, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Proof of Global Warming?
The extinctions of all life but a few cockroaches and rats occurs every twenty million years, probably because of some effect of nearby galaxies which always end up swallowing one another.
How did we get here on earth ahead of the light from the big bang? We can see 14 billion year old quasars. If nothing can travel faster than light, then how did we get here on a five billion year old planet, and still be far enough ahead of the light from the quasars in order to observe it??
Point out why this question is stand up comedy to physicists, (who are easily morphed by malaprops into psychics), and you can be in my think tank. (and probably take over your own life). Hint: one of Alan Greenspan’s main concerns
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
Islamists are at the gates, Europeans have stopped having children, there will be no one to support their ponzi-scheme welfare programs except immigrants who have no interest in becoming Westernized, and your’re worried about Global Warming - which not coincidentally is a hoax peddled by Marxists?
While you and others are fixated on things like the CO2 emissions from freaking cows, the proper placement of dryers, dressing in organic cotton clothes and canvas shoes and other meaningless acts of hubris, I have my priorities focused elsewhere.
I can guarantee you that my concerns trump yours.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (1145),
I see that you studied your rhetoric closely while you were college. As you know from your studies, this is what is known as a “red herring,” designed to lead the responder astray and to focus the discussion on a moot issue, one that is totally irrelevant to the main discussion. It’s well executed. Let me suggest that you go back and read the article I cited at 1045.
By I Voted for the War Even Though I'm a Poof
November 25, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
When addressing “inqueries” to me, the correct spelling is “inqueeries”.
Thank you.
CC: Bi Danish
By Political Foreskin
November 25, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Super Inflation
Alan Greenspan’s main concern was superinflation, which is the name of how they explain the dilemma of space-time that a big bang theory imposes:
They say that in one quint-quadrillionth of a second, the universe expanded to it’s present size and then all the quasars and galaxies simply distilled from the energy of that expansion. the big bang. i know it stinks. i hate it too. you’re not the only ones that cant understand why einstein couldn’t explain his own theory to us. (read his book, actually published in the fifties, which is a blog of relativity, which explains it in laymen’s terms straight from einstein. It is so revealing about that man, that it is mandatory reading. All Einstein did was to closely examine Newton’s math. Ironically, Einstein found gliches, corrected them, and then conceived “observed-acceleration” as a cosmological constant.
idontknowwhatijustsaid
iwantmymommie
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
By Diogenes November 25, 2006 12:14 PM this is what is known as a “red herring,” designed to lead the responder astray and to focus the discussion on a moot issue, one that is totally irrelevant to the main discussion.
The “main discussion” that you brought up being “na, na, na, na, I can’t hear you!”
That’s real good, man.
Add this to the evidence against your insane position: It was warmer in 1937 than it was in 2006.
Let me guess, na, na, na, na, I can’t hear you.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish (1208)
Your comments, “Islamists are at the gates, Europeans have stopped having children, there will be no one to support their ponzi-scheme welfare programs except immigrants who have no interest in becoming Westernized, and your’re worried about Global Warming - which not coincidentally is a hoax peddled by Marxists?”
I’m impressed. I’ve never seen a print version of hand-wringing done any more effectively. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were to tell us that you have stomach ulcers and have turned gray overnight. By the way, let me give you something else to stew about. According to an article in today’s AJC (p. A3), the ACLU plans to fight those ill-conceived city and county ordinances which fine landowners for renting to illegal immigrants, including the one in Cherokee County, GA.
By Political Foreskin
November 25, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Georgia has no chance against tech. The reason is the coach, the players, the schools, the conference, and the crotchless jockstraps they got at the Victoria Secrets for Men.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Isn’t this just so typical: One of Diogenes’s intellectual equals is in here babbling like a loon, so Diogenes is going to tell us how to conduct ourselves.
I’ll tell you what, liberalism ain’t got much going for it.
Basically mental lightweights calling everybody else idiots.
Look at Pelosi, after 6 years of calling Bush an idiot being her only policy statement, her first official act is to hobble herself.
Cspan is fixin to become the new Comedy Channel.
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
Here are some excerpts from a real apocalypse tale -
The single most important fact about the early 21st century is the rapid aging of almost every developed nation other than the United States: Canada, Europe and Japan are getting old fast, older than any functioning society has ever been and faster than any has ever aged. A society ages when its birth rate falls and it finds itself with fewer children and more grandparents. For a stable population – ie, no growth, no decline; just a million folks in 1950, a million in 1980, a million in 2010 – you need a Total Fertility Rate of 2.1 live births per woman. That’s what America has: 2.1, give or take. Canada has 1.48, an all-time low and a more revealing difference between the Great Satan and the Great White North than any of the stuff (socialized health care, fewer handguns, more UN peacekeepers, etc) that Canucks usually brag about. Europe as a whole has 1.38, Japan 1.32, Russia 1.14. These countries – or, more precisely, these people – are going out of business.
…The progressive left can be in favor of Big Government and population control but not both. That mutual incompatibility is about to plunge Europe into societal collapse. There is no precedent in human history for economic growth on declining human capital – and that’s before anyone invented unsustainable welfare systems.
…Unless it corrects course within the next five to ten years, Europe by the end of this century will be a continent after the neutron bomb: the grand buildings will still be standing but the people who built them will be gone… And long before the Maldive Islands are submerged by “rising sea levels” every Spaniard and Italian will be six foot under. But sure, go ahead: worry about “climate change”.
In the 14th century, the Black Death wiped out a third of the Continent’s population; in the 21st, a larger proportion will disappear – in effect, by choice. We are living through a rare moment: the self-extinction of the civilization which, for good or ill, shaped the age we live in. One can cite examples of remote backward tribes who expire upon contact with the modern world, but for the modern world to expire in favor of the backward tribes is a turn of events future anthropologists will ponder, as we do the fall of Rome.
The “population explosion” is a prop of the western progressive’s bizarre death-cultism. We are so bad, so polluting, so exploitative, so violent, so destructive that we owe it to the world not to be born in the first place. Given the plummeting birth rates in Europe, Russia, Japan, etc, a large chunk of the world has evidently decided to take pre-emptive action on climate change and opt for societal suicide. The crisis we face today is the precise opposite of “overpopulation”: the developed world’s population is shrinking faster than any human society not in the grip of war or disease has ever shrunk.
Read on for details of the foot- soldiers of the Jihad who do breed - lots of little Bin Laden babies.
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
While I was acquiring factual demographic data for you, you fatuously offer this:
{{I’ve never seen a print version of hand-wringing done any more effectively.}}
The irony! What the hell do you think global warming hysteria is if not ‘hand-wringing’?
And what the eff is your point about Cherokee County? Do you have a problem with “We the People” stopping an illegal invasion, or does your Secular Humanism demand open borders?
Over and out.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (1221),
As every good rhetorician knows, if you have an indefensible point, and if your opponents slap aside your deftly executed red herring, distract the audience so that they won’t notice that you can’t defend your original proposition. Again, my compliments, sir, well executed.
Let me distract you somewhat with another interesting proposition. Someone earlier in the week made the unfounded and undefended proposition that his/her cat has no soul. That has been worrying me ever since.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
Political Foreskin (1233),
The sad thing is that if UGA loses, the Governor of our Great State won’t allow the AJC to print it.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
European countries have much more severe immigration problems than the US. In addition to rapidly falling birth rates, the immigration is largely Islamic. You are as aware as I am of the riots in France, the train bombing in Spain right before the election which had a definite effect on the outcome of the election, and the subway bombings in London. Although I am acutely aware of these problems, I have been led to believe that our esteemed President is not. I think we shall see this a major issue in the 2008 election; if we do not, it will be only because the electorate, quite unlike you, is sticking its collective head in the proverbial sand.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
By Diogenes November 25, 2006 12:47 PM Let me distract you somewhat with another interesting proposition. Someone earlier in the week made the unfounded and undefended proposition that his/her cat has no soul. That has been worrying me ever since.
Negative.
“Global warming” on Mars seems to be the subject at hand.
That and some babbling about those who want to fight religious Islamic fascism in a faraway country instead of New York City being “cowards.”
Either one works for me.
By Mike in Woodstock
November 25, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
Obama rhymes with Osama. That is the only reason why the media gets all warm & tingly when they think of him.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish (1241)
Don’t take offense. The compliment was genuine. It was an especially effective piece of print rhetoric, which got my attention. It was very well done. My compliment is real
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
I’m quite concerned that someone would state the proposition that the cat has no soul. The only possible explanation is that humans have no soul, ergo cats have no soul. Alternatively, humans have souls; ergo cats have souls. Logically, it holds together quite well, so you can see my concern for that poor person’s cat.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
Bu Danish,
Here’s something I think you will find interesting.
Although Neanderthals and the ancestors of modern humans lived side by side until Neanderthals vanished about 30,000 years ago, researchers say that there is no evidence, at least not yet [following Svante Paabo’s use of new technology to sequence Neanderthal DNA ] of any Stone Age hanky-panky in the gene pool of modern humans.” AJC, A14, Nov.16.
You know, that worries me. I’ve always suspected my brother-in-law of being of Neanderthal descent. Now I’ve got to find another reason for his world-class stupidity.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
By Diogenes November 25, 2006 01:13 PM I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It I’m quite concerned that someone would state the proposition that the cat has no soul.
I said the cat is not AWARE of it’s soul. Big difference.
Mars, dude, mars? Halliburton doing it?
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (126),
Yes, that’s a major distinction, and I appreciate the clarification.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (126)
No doubt, Cheney and Halliburton are responsible for global warming on Mars.
Here’s an interesting comment a little closer to home:
It will be difficult to slow or stop this global warming, thanks to the oceans, which are warming as well. Currently, the amount of infrared heat radiated back to space is slightly less than what we absorb from the sun due to the increase in greenhouse gases. This excess energy slowly warms the oceans. Although it takes them a very long time to heat up, once they have they will release more infrared radiation and the Earth will emit as much back to space as it receives from the sun. But the planet’s surface will be warmer, because a larger fraction of that infrared will be blocked by the blanket of greenhouse gases. Thus, we can expect about another 0.5 degree Celsius of warming even if the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere were to stop increasing today, which is unlikely as we continue to burn coal, oil and natural gas for our increasing energy needs. Scientific American, December 2006.
By JP
November 25, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
Babs isn’t the only one, bud.
By Pen
November 25, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
Elect Obama as president before he gets tainted and has enough of a track record to hang himself.
Just kidding. I actually like him, but fear he is not quite ready for the White House due to lack of experience. I think W. would have benefitted from the type of experience that Obama is getting.
By Midori
November 25, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
Andy,
do you ever take a break from spreading your hate and bile?
Inquiring minds want to know.
What a useless lump of flesh you are.
Now to sit back and laugh at your shreeking comeback(s).
Here’s some ammo for you: Air America!! Huffington Post!! Daily Kos!!!
By RW-(the original)
November 25, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
Is there some reason that for two solid days people have been spamming two different blogs at the AJC with every word ever printed in Scientific American magazine?
Their articles read much more like advocacy journalism than scientific studies. I don’t believe there is too much disagreement that some amount of global warming exists when measurements are taken over a relatively small period of time, but much less agreement when the study is expanded. There is also vast disagreement over whether this is a man made situation or a normal cycle. The fact that the surface temperatures on Mars are increasing at a similar rate would seem to indicate that it’s far more likely that the increased temperature of the sun is responsible.
I would like to see how many government grants are given to people that use as their credentials the fact that they have had what amounts to a letter to the editor printed as an article of fact in Scientific American.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
By Diogenes November 25, 2006 01:48 PM Thus, we can expect about another 0.5 degree Celsius of warming
Whooaa, freaking heat wave, we’ll all burn up!!
Come on man, the gig is up. The socialists invented “global warming” same as they did “global cooling,” as a means to bankrupt the US economy so that we can’t make war on evil fascist dictators and free large numbers of people from tyranny.
They would love nothing more than to see everybody else on Earth killed off except for them and the United States is not helping; the libs are still pis-sed about us defeating communism.
Where have you been?
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original)(220)
You’re right. The evidence is overwhelming. There is absolutely no dispute over the fact of global warming, just a question of the long term consequences. There is also rather heated debate over how rapidly global warming is happening. Different studies show different rates.
It’s rather like the public controversy over evolution. The evidence is overwhelming. There are scholarly debates over the rate at which it has happened. Different studies show different rates, but there is no debate over whether or not evolution is a real process. Yes, there are gaps in the fossil record that, due to geological processes, will most likely never be filled.
I also find it interesting that, despite the wonderful photos we have of earth from orbit, there are still those who deny that man has ever achieved space flight. Even in 1969, whilst the pictures were being aired directly from the surface of the moon, there were those who denied the reality.
I suspect that there are even those who dispute the Theory of Gravity because it is, after all, only a theory.
Your point is well made. We don’t know nearly as much about science and scientific procedures as we should. I presume you saw Maureen Downey’s editorial this past week on how poorly Atlanta 4th and 8th graders do on national science proficiency exams? Science has become so esoteric that few can hope to comprehend what’s going on even in a modicum of disciplines. I find that Scientific American and a few other similar publications are helpful. I thought their remarks on global warming would clarify a few points, especially about CO2 contributions to warming and the causes of the CO2 emissions.
By RW-(the original)
November 25, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Who knew Maureen Dowd was a big fan of law and order? Or that mass slaughter was now called imposing law and order and she thinks that’s a good thing.
According to her, all we need to do is identify who to surrender to and all will be right with the world.
By RW-(the original)
November 25, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
I’ll make one exception to my having cut you off from discussion to address your dishonesty at 2:51.
You seem to be learning well from the leftists here (or at ml’s) that continually change the wording of someone’s post and then make the disingenuous claim that you agree with them.
My words are that there is little disagreement of a short term warming pattern Please note the word PATTERN and the phrase SHORT TERM. The most logical evidence points to this being a completely over hyped problem that will solve itself over time. That being said I have no problem with curtailing activities that are found to do actual damage to things in our environment.
As for evolution, there is virtually no evidence of evolution being the explanation for the origin of man. In fact every time any link in the fossil record is examined it proves to be a dead end.
You may choose to fall hook, line, and sinker for these hoaxes, but count me out. I’m far too analytical to believe these things with no clear evidence.
Also please refrain from changing my words to fit your agenda and I would really prefer if you kept your dishonest methods to yourself or at least use them when discussing things with others. I don’t appreciate it and I will not allow it. Until you learn to present your own facts and discuss things like an educated adult please leave me off your reply list.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (231),
Are you old enough to remember when most houses were heated with coal? I grew up in a coal-producing region of the country and I still remember the yellowish/grey pall that would descend on that little town on a windless day in the winter. Many developed severe respiratory problems. Fortunately, we lived far enough out not to be affected by the coal smoke from any but our own flue.
China is building coal fired electricity plants as fast as she can build them. As I said, above, global warming is real; it’s just a question of how long and what the consequences will be. There is much debate about the consequences, but there can be no denying the reality of global warming.
Take a look at some of the citations from Scientific American above; although RW chooses to try to divert the issue by calling it “advocacy journalism,” I hardly think so. There’s too much evidence from too many different sources.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original),
Your comments,
“The most logical evidence points to this being a completely over hyped problem that will solve itself over time”
“As for evolution, there is virtually no evidence of evolution being the explanation for the origin of man. In fact every time any link in the fossil record is examined it proves to be a dead end.”
I think all available evidence disputes both of your assertions. You object to my quotations from Scientific American? I could think of no better a source. If you prefer another, please let me know.
On evolution, I will defer debate at this time, but there’s no dispute over anything except some particulars of the mechanism driving it and the rate at which it occurs. I could cite Scientific American on the subject (and directly in response to your assertion above) and probably will in the future, but not today. If you have another reputable source in mind, I’d be glad to take a look at it.
Opinions are formed from evidence. My opinions on evolution and global warming are based on best available evidence. I’m open-minded enough to read extensively on both subjects and for quite a number of years. I suggested Stephen Jay Gould to you at an earlier date. Once again, I recommend his essays as a way of familiarizing yourself with some of the issues and some of the arguments. If you’d like other sources, be glad to provide them.
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
RW,
Here is the article which Diogenes was too lazy to link to, but which she calls upon as an article of faith.
As you stated, it is nothing but an Op-Ed.
Further she sites a meaningless report, which is supposed to illustrate what a bunch of backwood fundamentalist hicks were are, that 4th and 8th graders fare poorly on national proficiency science exams.
However, she fails to mention that the Georgia curriculum teaches subjects at different times than the rest of the country, so it is largely irrelevant. 4th Graders cannot be expected to learn what is taught in 5th Grade but tested in 4th. Conversely they may be acquainted with material that they learned in 4th grade but the most states don’t teach until later.
This is typical of the unscientific conclusions drawn by people who claim to revere science.
Meanwhile, she thinks we can ignore the demographic decline and shift in the rest of the Western World as long we attend to our own problems here at home.
Where are we to get future “coalitions of the willing” if there is no one left but us?
Mars?
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
Buy danish,
I appreciate the direct link to the Scientific American article I cited. I’m still not quite sure how to provide direct links, so thanks for helping me out.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
Do I assume from your comments about Maureen Downey’s editorial that you are opposed to the opinion that Georgia students are deficit in science subjects?
By RW-(the original)
November 25, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
Thanks for the link. I’ll at least give credence to there being some evidence of global warming, just as thirty years ago there was some evidence of global cooling, so I guess if they want to hype it that’s fine. It sure seems that the super charged hyping has a lot more to do with securing grant money though.
I have seen no credible evidence that evolution is the explanation for the existence of man, so arguing with someone like Diogenes that firmly and blindly believes it, but will offer no evidence other than “trust me” is utterly pointless. I’ll stick to arguing that with our “community of scientists” at ml’s that at least attempt to back their claims.
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
Diogenes,
How to link:
Look directly above the comment box for directions on how to link. Put brackets [] around the text to be linked, with the URL in parentheses().
I have a son who is in Seventh Grade in a Georgia public school. The science curriculum is excellent and has been very comprehensive and demanding starting in 5th grade.
As a counterpoint to the editorial you cite, The Thomas B. Fordham Foundation gives Georgia good grades in its Science curriculum, and the methods it uses to teach.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original)
These are legitimate questions. Please do me the courtesy of a response to them.
By the way, I thought I was the only one who remembered the global cooling discussion of thirty years ago.
1) How familiar are you with the thesis that birds are the descendents of dinosaurs? What is your opinion?
2) How familiar are you with plate tectonic theory, creating the Hawaiian Islands and the so-called Ring of Fire around the Pacific?
3) How familiar are you with Lucy, the Australopithecine Afarensis skeleton found in the late 1970’s?
4) How familar are you with the debate on the earliest Americans? What is your position on that debate? Where does Kennewick man fit in?
5) How familiar are you with Eldredge and Gould’s thesis of punctuated equilibrium? Do you think it best describes the gaps in the fossil record?
There are some basic science questions on current debates, and I’m just curious of your position on each of them. We can use these as the basis for our debate on evolution.
I am on my way out, but thought I would posit some talking points for tomorrow, if you want to debate evolution. I will, of course, cite sources, just as I have on global warming.
By Diogenes
November 25, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
Thanks for telling me how to link. I will try to use it soon. Thanks for the info on the Thomas B. Fordham foundation. I’ll check it tomorrow. I am a graduate of Georgia Schools and have always been very skeptic of their accomplishments. On my way out. Buy now.
By Buy Danish
November 25, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
Diogenenes,
“Buy Now”. I guess that is a subconscious message that you are going shopping.
Have fun.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Diogenes: You still haven’t answered the Mars question.
Look, most of the debates I get into with liberals don’t end all that well. To cite a few instances, I’ve put several of them into the funny farm, one or two have become totally antisocial and extremely bitter and the majority go to spending all their time in life stalking me.
Are you sure you want to continue?
By Diogenes November 25, 2006 03:21 PM I grew up in a coal-producing region of the country and I still remember the yellowish/grey pall that would descend on that little town on a windless day in the winter.
Plant Bowden in Cartersville is coal fired, runs most of North Georgia, I used to hunt downstream of there and I can’t recall anything but pure blue Georgia skies.
China is building coal fired electricity plants as fast as she can build them.
I thought we were the problem? If you libs want to set your sights on bankrupting China’s economy I may even give you a hand; I have no problem with that. It’s our economy that I am afraid for, very, very afraid, haha.
By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It
November 25, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
Jim has a new discussion blog up on the main page.
By RW-(the original)
November 25, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this
When someone believes they have all the answers to an issue like what explains the existence of man on the planet you would think they might do more than attempt to give an evolutionary pop quiz. As always, when you show me the fossil record that clearly shows one species evolving into another I’ll listen.
Things like Lucy are absurdities that take one fossil of a tiny chimplike woman and say that not only was it chimplike, it also has characteristics of modern woman therefore it is proof positive that modern woman was a female chimp so that must mean that chimps were once worms so evolution is a fact and if you don’t believe it stfu.
That is the Darwiniac mindset in a nutshell, which I might add is the perfect vessel for them.
By I Voted for the War Because I'm a Chickenhawk
November 25, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this
Too scared and too stupid to serve.
And definitely too gay…
By dave
November 26, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim, Thanks for mentioning that those cowards that run walmart gave into some religious fundamentalist fanatics (BTW…Happy Chanukah). I’m glad you were at IKEA. IKEA is one of the largest GAY advertisers on the planet! They were one of the first to show gay couples shopping together in their ads. Hey Big Jim, wanna meet me for a drink sometime…wink,wink! Bring Hagerty, Foley Melmenm and Rove with you! What a rainbow like funtime we will have!