Thinking Right

By Brian Curtis

October 30, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

Wooten, for the first time I respect what you’ve written here.

Not that any of the screeching lunatics on either side of the aisle will pay any attention to such niceties.

By 1984

October 30, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

” … We’ve got to stay the course, and we will stay the course. … ” GEORGE W. BUSH, April 5, 2004 “The United States of America will stay the course … ” GEORGE W. BUSH, Nov. 21, 2004 “We will stay the course; we will complete the job in Iraq.” GEORGE W. BUSH, Aug 4, 2005 “We will stay the course, we will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed.” GEORGE W. BUSH, Aug. 31, 2006 “Listen, we’ve never been ‘Stay the Course’ … ” GEORGE W. BUSH, Oct. 22, 2006 Ahem. “Orwellian” is one of those words you toss out to prove you stayed awake in freshman English. Often, it is used to evoke a world in which all people are always under surveillance, as was the case in the totalitarian state George Orwell depicted in 1984,” his 1949 masterpiece. But as you know if you’ve read the book, surveillance wasn’t the most chilling aspect of the world Orwell foresaw. No, the thing about that world that made your skin creep on your bones was the shameless intellectual dishonesty of its leaders, the brazen way they savaged objective truth and dared anyone to call them on it. Nobody did. The people simply accepted what they were told. In the world Orwell invented, words had no objective meaning beyond that assigned them by the Party, whose slogans, not incidentally, were, “War is Peace,” “Freedom is Slavery” and “Ignorance is Strength.” In that world, there was no past — or rather, the past was what the leaders said it was, and it was a waste of time to check for yourself, because all books, newspapers and other records were constantly being updated to reflect whatever the new reality was. Thus, “Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia.” Much as we now learn the Bush administration’s policy toward Iraq has “never been stay the course.” And never mind that the president and his henchmen have spent three years pounding that phrase like nails into the public consciousness. “Stay the course” doesn’t work anymore, not with most of the nation united against the war, so the White House announced last week that the phrase would no longer be used. That’s their prerogative. But it’s quite a leap from won’t be used to never has been used. So did we dream these last three years? Is “stay the course” just something we mumbled in our collective sleep as we twisted in our collective sheets? Or do we learn something here about the administration’s level of respect for our collective intelligence? It is not, by now, surprising that the president and his surrogates rewrite the past. We’ve seen that before, after all. Seen it with John Kerry the war hero “traitor,” with John Murtha the Marine “coward.” Saw it with WMD which, it turned out, were not the reason we invaded Iraq (Where’d we ever get that idea?) What’s painful, though, is that we see it so quietly, see it, as the citizens of 1984 did, with apparent acceptance. The truth is being stolen right before our eyes. Yet there are no mass demonstrations at the executive mansion. There are not a million headlines saying, “Wait Just A Bleeping Minute!” “We’ve never been stay the course,” he says. Oh, we say. To which I can only add that war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. And Orwell was only off by 22 years.

Leonard Pits, Houston Chronicle, October 2006

By Political Foreskin

October 30, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

Sonny Perdue is a sellout, and probably a crook. I dont understand why he’s not behind bars…WITH Mark Taylor as his cellmate.

We should elect that libertarian weirdo. He at least looks like he cant be bought. Wouldn’t want to share an elevator with him….where did he get that tie? and those shoes!!!

One thing is certain, nobody will ever ask that creepy libertarian guy this question: can I borrow some lip gloss?

By GodHatesTrash

October 30, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

Perdoofus and the Big Guy - putting the goober back in gubernatorial. These slobs are the best Georiga can offer.

How pathetic. A state full of trash.

By Richard

October 30, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Hey 1984, got any of your own thoughts, instead of recycling other people’s ideas?

By Political Foreskin

October 30, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

dang it, brian, if you agree with wooten, you’re supposed to type, “Ditto”, or “Smooch”, or “Ball tickle”, and the punishment is that you dont get to comment for the rest of the year.

I dont know why we have the rules if we dont abide by them.

Just a point of order…. All I’m saying.

By Rod

October 30, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Morning. I’m usually for the Democrats in the political races, but in the Governor’s race I’ve basically been for Perdue (I actually look at the candidates instead of blindly - and stupidly - following one party all the way). I think the State of Georgia is better off than it was four years ago.

Having said that, Perdue is losing my confidence with every passing day. He’s looking more and more desperate and tacky. He now has an ad where his wife is attacking Taylor. Perdue, be a man and do your own dirty work. If the election was today, I’d still vote for Perdue. But if he keeps going like he is, by next week I may be voting for Taylor.

By Redneck Convert

October 30, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

They dumped them red flags with the big G on the dirt road leading to my trailer, and my way was blocked yesterday. It’s the 2nd time it happened. The last time was two weekends ago. I can’t figure out why the things are always there on Sunday morning.

I had to get a Bobcat to clear the pile. That was the reason why I almost missed the sermon of the Revrend Jim Bob Buice. It was a real stemwinder. It was titled “Keep Satan Out of Your Life: Don’t Vote for a Democrat.” The Revrend Jim Bob reminded us that he wasn’t politicking from the pulpit, cause that would get him in trouble with the IRS. He said it was a religious message cause it’s the gospel truth.

Anyway, I think a person’s past life tells us something about him when he’s in office. For instance, if Clinton didn’t have that affair, we wouldn’t have all these men asking for a Lewinsky. And I know my man Sonny is pure as the driven snow. Next to Dale Earnhart, he’s my living hero, except Dale is dead. So what if he got his lawyer to interduce a special tax break for him? If a guy can’t make a buck now and then, it would be a sorry world.

Course, the personal life has nothing to do with it when a Republican is involved. The Dems stirred up a lynch party for that Ney feller and Foley. It’s only when Dems are involved that we should consider a person’s histry. And they are still ragging about a few drunk driving arrests of the president when he was younger.

Anyway, it’s time for my monthly bath again. I been dreading it, but it’s got to be done. So I drug out the washtub and started heating water on the outdoor wood stove cause the missus didn’t order no more propane. She says she’s gonna die by eating anyway if the Dems win Congress, and she don’t care if anyone else is comforble when she has to be dead and cold.

Anyway, remember what the Revrend Jim Bob says and vote Republican next week.

By getalife

October 30, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

“And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is not that damned many.” Dick Cheney 1992

How about 100 for October Dick?

By Mid-South Philosopher

October 30, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

I have never been so sick of the political bickering in all my life. I do not intend to vote for either Sonny or Mark. It is time to send a message. If the Libertarian candidate threw this thing into a run-off, maybe the two front-runners would get their heads out of their posteriors and become “statesmen” as opposed to “politicians!”

Of course, we are not unique in Georgia.
All over the country, Democrats and Republicans are slashing each other with personal attacks as opposed to dealing with the issues.

The media loves it, of course. While I am no fan of Dick Cheney, Wolf Blitzer’s treatment of Lynn Cheney in a recent interview was disgusting. I am happy that the VP’s wife gave “Wolfie” as good as she got!

Harry Truman once threatened to go into the district of a “Democratic” candidate and campaign against him, if he attacked the wife of an opponent!

Where has “statesmanship” gone!

By CJ

October 30, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Thank you…sincerely…for the balance.

I believe the electorate is, in fact, clamoring to talk about issues. Our country has serious challenges confronting us and people want to hear and consider non-partisan, pragmatic ideas that affect them and others around the world.

Locally - over-development, crime, congestion, education, environmental, economic and infrastructure issues plague us all. Nationally - we’re at war in two nations, nuclear proliferation is on the rise, homeland security is in a questionable state, real wages are falling for most, housing prices are falling, health care costs are rising, energy prices are up (long-term), are national debt is growing at a rate that’s unsustainable, corruption on both sides of the aisle is pervasive and ethical standards appear to be on the decline among our elected officials, business leaders and yes, among ourselves. Internationally – poverty, disease and conflict seem overwhelming. With all the talk of personal responsibility, we’re not taking responsibility for ourselves, nor are we meeting our obligations to one another.

Assuming things change and begin to improve, still, regardless of hard we work, how much we accomplish and how much things might improve, we will always have more to do. Yes, we’re the greatest country in the world — but what does that matter? Life isn’t a football game. This “greatest country” stuff frequently seems to suggest “good enough” to anybody who has the audacity to see problems and seeks to fix them. We need to raise the bar by not being satisfied with being the greatest. There will always be more work to be done, and my hope is that the left and right can find a way to do it together. If bi-partisanship doesn’t take hold soon, I’m afraid that our children and grandchildren won’t be in a position to make the “greatest country” claim, even if they want to. Your post today, providing balance to yesterday’s article, sets a good example.

By GLC

October 30, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! You shucked the corn with this one. It is a condemnation that transcends political party affiliation.

By ByteMan

October 30, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

Is it possible to vote “None of the Above” in the governor’s election and just call it a “do over” and get someone with some vision to lead the state government?

I agree with ya, Jim: unless the person is using their political office to steal us blind or some other form of malfeasance, keep it to the issues already!

By deegee

October 30, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Imagine how many bright and qualified leaders we have in our country today that shun political service because they don’t want their youthful transgressions publicized. We deserve all of the incompetent leaders we have because of ridiculous debate such as what is described above. Unfortunately Bill O’Reilly was correct when he commented on Letterman’s show that the American people are more interested in “Dancing with the Stars” than they are with the daily news. Americans will react to sensational statements without questioning their validity. Time to clean house on 11/7.

By Dusty

October 30, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Goodness, PoFo,

I like your rules of order but why don’t you follow them?

Every day you could just say “Same ol’ same ol’” and we would know PoFo is here.

RedNecks could say “Hee haw” and Getalife could post “Sob!!”

I. myself, would coyly post “Southern sweetness” and never say a harsh word about political families. After all, we have to keep Jim Wooten happy. He is going to interview Sec. Rice today and we want him to put his best foot forward as the fine Southern Republican gentleman that he is.

By Mid-South Philosopher

October 30, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

GLC, ByteMan and others,

Let’s start a write-in campaign for Jim Wooten for Governor. I think I would sleep better at night…well…somewhat better!

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of pathetic, filthy rebelrousers who don’t deserve the right to exercise their right to vote! Yes, a crappy family life if fair game for any election! Perdue should blast every damn thing that liberalist slime-dog Taylor has done in his life. If he took a crap in pre-school without permission from his teacher, then I’ve got a freakin right to know! I want to know everything those liberalist sh1tholes have done that isn’t proper - which is everything! This world would be much better off without liberalist cry-babies and their distorted view of reality! Rod mentions he usually votes democrat - what, you’re usually a dim-witted piece of sh1t but not always? Once a liberal, always a liberal and this world ain’t got any use for you!

Vote for Perdue or jump off a freakin pier and shut the hell up.

By Rod

October 30, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

Hey Mid-South Philosopher, you’re talking about having Wooten for Governor? Don’t we already have two candidates who do nothing but point out problems without providing real answers? Why do we need a third one?

By buck

October 30, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

It is curious that Perdue has brought his wife into thte campaign against Taylor. I suppose the thought is that she can say whatever ‘they’ tell her to say, yet remain off-limits in terms of any rebuttal.

Sonny’s attack on Taylor’s past and his family was deliberate and unfortunate.

By AR

October 30, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Individual liberty, personal responsibility, and community. A free-market economy of abundance and prosperity. A foreign policy of nonintervention, peace, and free trade.

If this is what you believe in – vote Libertarian!

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. The governor’s line is ironically amusing; a good rule of life is if you “hope” you don’t have to “use” gossip, you shouldn’t; Sonny’s line reflects a total lack of class and judgment. It’s hard to figure how Mark’s effort, overcoming a drug problem, reflects a lack a character or capacity, so it seems to me Sonny was also stupid to introduce the subject. Part of the culture, I suppose, much like Gore hitting the newspapers with DUI allegations on Bush and Cheney. Is it any wonder that we lack respect for our politicos? I held Sonny in pretty good esteem before this last bit, but I suppose this proves he is no better than the rest of them. Attacking on the basis of policy is always valid; attacking on the basis of ethics usually is not.

By Realist

October 30, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

I disagree with Jim. Any person running for political office should have thier background and previous life experiences counted and scrutinized in determining his/her qualifications and character. Character DOES matter.

A revelation or admittance to coke and marijuana use should not preclude one from running or holding office, but it certainly should be made public so that voters can decide whether its important or not.

If voters are aware of it and elect a person such as this, and it turns out badly, they are only getting what they deserve.

With this new revlelation about Taylor, coupled with his obesity, it seems clear to me that this man is a walking talking billboard for lack of self control and poor choices. Not someone we need running our state I would think.

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Its all very well taking the high moral ground but the politics of personal destruction were systematically the gleeful choice of the demoNcrats under sick Willie and HITllary corrupt perjury sexual harassment filled co-presidency. They even used the IRS to systematically harass folks.

Bush’s yooofful DUI up in YanKKKee land was dredged up very late in his first victorious campaign and then the now disgraced and fired far leftist liar Rather tried to lynch him on TV with lies and false/forged documents - all typical leftist tricks - and now lefties on here suddenly get all sanctimonious. Its nauseating.

The so called ‘family’ element is about judgment and moral choices. Abusing cocaine is something the hateful far left tried to smear Bush with - despite not the tiniest credible bit of evidence for it. Yet Woger Klinton stated on an FBI stake out video when he had NO idea he was being filmed that his brother had a nose (for coke) “like a vacuum cleaner”. If you look at Klinton’s nose when he talks and laughs it seems frozen - just as if he was a past heavy user of coke. This suggestion (to watch sick Willie’s televised lying nose for evidence of drug abuse) was made to me by a chap who himself was a heavy coke user for years and had ended up with the exact same condition.

To dismiss serious, wilful misconduct as just “youthful indiscrstion” is pathetic. Obviously each “indiscretion” should be judged on its merit but when someone is seeking offcie that bestows on them great - even immense political power over others the need and expectation is that they have the ability to make hard and lasting choices unimpaired either mentally and/or physiologically. Ideally with no hint of hypocrisy, tainted judgment or any external pressure applied with the threat of past “indiscretions” being revealed.

There is rightly a stringent vetting process for CIA types and other similarly sensitive govt appointments - their (ultimate) political masters should also be able to stand hard scrutiny. The VP picks are heavily vetted - but times and standards change - as the AlBore pick sadly all too proved.

If the morbidly obese womanising cocaine sniffing Taylor had tried to run for office with his heavily tainted record even 25 years ago he’d have been laughed out of the public square. Clearly standards have dramatically fallen - or is it just that the smug politicians now, ON BOTH SIDES, after their own personal excesses (starting) in the late 60’s and 70’s have shifted the moral goal posts to entirely suit themselves?

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

I see the sad and pathetic obsessive id stealer has been at it again … give it up rednekkks NAMBLA/unhinged foreskin!!

By MELO

October 30, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Wooten, i disagree and think personal issues like Mark Taylor’s reflect on what kind of a person he is. Even though i would be democratic if i were to vote, i would not vote for Mark, knowing that detail about him.We need personal and individual accountability in Public office. As for Pudue, that secret land deal is also troubling. Don’t we have better candidates in Georgia?!!

By @@

October 30, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Jim: Unfortunately what a politician may or may not put forth during a campaign to further his political agenda is something that isn’t new to politics.

Do I dislike negative campaigning? You bet I do, but I’m not dumb enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Actually, it’s a basic drive exhibited by all of mankind. Survival of the fittest.

Sometimes shoving your foot into a shoe that doesn’t fit causes you to limp through our hallowed halls of government. Maybe next time around, there’ll be a run on one size larger, but I’m not counting on it.

Good luck on your interview with Condi today Jim. And by all means…don’t ask her why she doesn’t attend to the gap in her front teeth. You, having professed to a slight overbite in your own, would be like….well, you know….

Keep smiling. I love it when you do.

By Curious Observer

October 30, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Vote Libertarian my a$$!

Had Ralph Nader not allowed his ego to get in the way of the good of the nation, we wouldn’t be plagued with this ignorant excuse for a president.

The Libertarians care nothing for this country. If they did, they wouldn’t be playing Ross Perot and draining off votes from candidates with a chance to win. You can dabble with anarchy on your own time. Maybe you and jbmlaw can get together and celebrate the havoc you’ve wrought over the years.

By Dusty

October 30, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Busk,

If I am not mistaken, I have seen Gov. Perdue’s wife on television many times since he has been governor. Is she supposed to drop out of sight because of a political campaign?

Mrs. Perdue is not a constant shadow like Roselyn to Jimmy nor is she the political pal like Hillary to Bill. She is simply supporting her husband.

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Dear AR @ 9:24, I would like to think the governor of Georgia would have a foreign policy of non-intervention. Maybe I missed something by skipping the debate; is Sonny planning to invade Belarus? Also, I suggest you drop the “peace” portion of your bumper sticker; peace is the opposite of freedom. The two cannot co-exist for any period of time, as there are always leftists willing to steal your freedom for redistribution; either you will fight for freedom or your will surrender it.

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Dear Curious @ 9:45, you are correct to assume that I celebrate anytime I can stop the wheels of the Leftists. I find, increasingly, that other people share that view.

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Dear Curious, in all fairness, your 9:45 post had one true element. I care more for freedom than I do for the country. I would sacrifice the government in a heartbeat if I could find a better way to preserve freedom. The government is merely a tool to achieve an end, and the moment it seeks an end incompatible with freedom, it is time to get a new tool.

By JK

October 30, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

I agree with Mr. Wooten. Dragging family members though the mud to win an election is tacky.

But then, some people do it for FUN! Remember Rush Limbaugh’s short-lived TV show, when he called Chelsea Clinton “the White House Dog” just to get a laugh? Like a 13-year-old girl in her most awkward stage of life did something to deserve THAT! The fact that any of you still listen to that fat piece of hypocritical hate-spewing filth says far more about YOU than it does about him.

By Mother of Three

October 30, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

After watching last night’s debacle, I’m voting for the Libertarian. The other two cared more about attacking one another than the issues, and Hayes was the only one to address everything with an actual idea rather than yet another attack.

By Dusty

October 30, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

MidSouth,

I have high esteen for Jim Wooten but I think Perdue is a good governor. BESIDES—if Jim left AJC that would leave them without a single voice crying in the wilderness of woeful wildcat liberalism. That is a most unpleasant thought.

By Eric

October 30, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Two big, fat, sweaty, good old boy, Georgia crackers for Governor…

yee haw

VOTE LIBERTARIAN….. I mean… why the hell not?

Could it be worse? Certainly not.

By why vote?

October 30, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

neither candidate is worth his salt….but i’m really not cool with perdue’s land deals and quietly shunning an environmental deal that would not only keep georgia more green, but saves animals at the same time….all to make sonny money. honestly…a state leader named sonny…can you get anymore red?

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Dear JK @ 10:07 you omit mention of Rush’s subsequent personal apology to Hillary; otherwise your post is fair. I still listen to Rush, not because he calls awkward teens ugly, but because he calls freedom-stealers “leftists.” Would you vote for someone who would vote to make a killer the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee? I wouldn’t.

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

My last post to JK ended with an unfair shot. I withdraw the comment and apologize to JK and the blog, for deviation from topic.

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

presumably the pathetic screeching feminazi hag JK equally noisily condemns the scumbag gigolo band aid warrior Kerry and the bland dimwitted smug cloned wanker Edwards for DISGUSTINGLY injecting the lesbianism of Cheney’s daughter in the presidential debates … given this family matter HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN!!

Chelsea Klinton back then was indescribably ugly though (and still is) … so in fairness Rush did kind of have a point!

By JawjaPeach

October 30, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Alot of people in Georgia struggle with their weight. There are probably more overweight Georgians out there than those with perfect bodies. It just shows ignorance when you tar and feather a candidate with “fat”, or mock people because of their looks. Mark Taylor will probably get more votes from “fat” Georgians because of this. And…last time I looked, Sonny wasn’t that skinny.

By Dusty

October 30, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Oh for Pete’s sake,

Attention Liberals,

Rush Limbaugh is NOT running for governor of Georgia or President of the United States. I know that may surprise you but he is simply a TV commentator, just like all the other TV commentators, using politics for props. BUT HE IS NOT RUNNING FOR POLITICAL OFFICE.

Whew! Get over it. Use your head.

By Realist

October 30, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

hahaha How could anybody think jbm isnt really a lawyer…. Makes an inflammatory statement then quickly withdraws it but not until its already made its mark on the jury. well played sir.

By Chazman

October 30, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

I like your rules of order but why don’t you follow them?

Speaking of following something, Dusty, why don’t you follow your beliefs in a consitent manner? Remember this:

“You can support the troops without supporting the president.”

How about it Dusty - is that statement true or not? Is it true for Republicans but not Democrats? And guess what? As of this morning, Trent Lott is still running for office!!

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Realist

calling the killer Kennedy “a killer” is hardly “inflammatory” - its just a factual observation.

This excellent FACTUAL article points out typical demoNcrat hypocrisy and criminal pandering to their own criminals.

http://www.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/873208.shtml

By Support the Troops FOR REAL

October 30, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

I’ll bet Jim Wooten wants to keep families out of this election. These families in particular.

By CJ

October 30, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

In his post today @9:59 and in previous posts, jbmlaw invokes yet another common radio talk-show tactic to persuade. This “I must be right because most people agree with me” tactic is one in which the debater (or talk-show figure) asserts that his or her argument is popular (whether or not it actually is), while the position of those who disagree are unpopular — therefore “my more popular position must be correct”. This tactic is another example of the lazy man’s method to winning the argument. Genocide of Native American’s was once popular; hanging so-called witches was once popular; slavery was once popular; segregation was once popular; and the war in Iraq was once popular. Popularity doesn’t necessarily equate to correct jbm. That’s why one must seek to avoid group-think and attempt to think for one’s self.

Good luck with that.

By Fulton

October 30, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Fat, skinny, liberalist slime-dog, lefties, righties, etc.. How pathetic when supposedly mature, educated adults (both candidates AND voters) stoop to this type of childish name calling. It is a scary thought that many of you even have the right to vote, with all of your personal paranoias. Any sane thinking individual would clearly see that NEITHER of these candidates are worthy of serving this state but unfortunately, many here are blinded by some form of ‘political loyalty’ instead of using plain ol common sense. When candidates resort to using slime tactics, we as a sensible people, should show them the door and let them know we will not be swayed buy cheap shots! Personally, I am SICK AND TIRED of having to choose between the lesser of two evils and lately, that seems to be what the American public has chosen to settle for and yet, has refused to DEMAND change! The same-ol, same-ol, will eventually get us all killed!!

By Keep the Economy out of it too!

October 30, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

GAO Chief Takes to Road, Warns Economic Disaster Looms Even As Many Candidates Avoid Issue

Democrats and Republicans talk of cutting taxes to make life easier for the American people.

What they don’t talk about is a dirty little secret everyone in Washington knows, or at least should. The vast majority of economists and budget analysts agree: The ship of state is on a disastrous course, and will founder on the reefs of economic disaster if nothing is done to correct it.

There’s a good reason politicians don’t like to talk about the nation’s long-term fiscal prospects. The subject is short on political theatrics and long on complicated economics, scary graphs and very big numbers. It reveals serious problems and offers no easy solutions. Anybody who wanted to deal with it seriously would have to talk about raising taxes and cutting benefits, nasty nostrums that might doom any candidate who prescribed them.

“There’s no sexiness to it,” laments Leita Hart-Fanta, an accountant who has just heard Walker’s pitch. She suggests recruiting a trusted celebrity maybe Oprah to sell fiscal responsibility to the American people.

By TC

October 30, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Sonny if your reading this…you BLEW it with your stupid low blow remarks. I’m not a Taylor fan but I sure won’t vote for your tacky a@@.

By Dusty

October 30, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Chazman,

Move on, buddy.

No comment on DeLay or Lott. They are not running for governor of Georgia.

By abc

October 30, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

Can one support our troops without supporting the President?

Considering that the President is Commander in Chief of our military, it’s difficult for some to separate their support for troops and support for the military’s ultimate leadership.

I consider that the troops are currently left unnecessarily vulnerable to harm by poor vision and planning on behalf of the President and his Administration. I support the troops in that I wish that they were more ably led by this Administration’s policies. I do not support the President in that I do not believe that he and his Administration are going to be able to optimally or even sub-optimally solve the problems of the war itself. It seems our troops are left to open-ended and regular maintenance of routing and re-routing an apparently growing force of terrorists, ergo Iraqi Civil War combatants. Mid-term election campaigning shows all political participants seemingly more interested in their own popularity and welfare then that of our military efforts, spinning the truth to suit their own agendas.

In spite of reluctance by the President, his Administration and the press to admit that the situation in Iraq has deteriorated to Civil War, for almost a year that is the situation there. I think a good start would be to replace Rumsfeld with Gen. Casey, and for the President to offer his full support to that office with disregard for political gain or loss. The war is a military condition brought about by political aspirations; it’s time to bring about a conclusion by introducing purely military thought, as opposed to political thought. To me, that embodies the idea that one can support the troops without supporting the President.

By R Cagle

October 30, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Amen, Mr. Wooten. And keep family members out of the ads as well. We don’t vote for spouses, unless of course a Clinton is involved, but then that is a whole other argument.

By Southern Politics

October 30, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Sonny is about as corrupt a southern “good ol boy” politician as they come. Come on? … Are you honestly surprised he would stoop to the level of a personal attack of this nature? …. It’s the GOP way, its what they’re good at.

By Van

October 30, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Only 8 more days of this mud - Thanks goodness

It is easier to deal with politican once they are elected - it is mind numbing to listen to all of them.

Why can’t they just tell us what they think, want to accomplish and how they want to do it, instead of giving us little or nothing of substance.

By JK

October 30, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Why can’t they just tell us what they think, want to accomplish and how they want to do it, instead of giving us little or nothing of substance.

Van’s right! I want to hear not just ideas, but a solid, step-by-step plan.

For example, this Republican Contract with America I’ve been reading about. Let’s clean up Congress and restore accountability to the American people! LOVIN’ THIS!

But…. do you think they’ll really do this when they take the majority in January, or is it just another pack of bu—sh— promises they have no intention of keeping once elected?

FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress; SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse; THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third; FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs; FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee; SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public; SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase; EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

By Corey

October 30, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

From reading the comments posted here, the politicians running for office are only reflecting the mentality of the electorate. Stupid is as stupid does, and stupidity representing stupidity.

By JawjaPeach

October 30, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

It’s my recollection that Mark Taylor was on a very positive path with his ads and his campaign. Then, Sonny ran an ad lamenting to Mary that he sure did hope that Mark Taylor wouldn’t go negative…all while Sonny’s campaign was mailing out slimy negative pieces against Mark.

I’m glad Mark struck back and didn’t wimp out like John Kerry did when he was unfairly “swiftboated”. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Unfortunately, the Republicans are like the bully on the playground…they like to attack attack attack, but get righteous when someone attacks back.

By JawjaPeach

October 30, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

JK:

If you’ll remember, Newt’s Contract With America over 10 years ago was only a propaganda piece, as almost nothing was ever passed from it.

The most egregious part that the Republicans elected under the “Contract” lied about was their pledge for term limits. It was just a bigtime con job.

By JK

October 30, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

JawjaPeach, Whaaaa? You mean, I’ve been getting all excited about a BROKEN PROMISE MORE THAN TEN YEARS OLD? You mean…. <lower lip trembling> they’ve had YEARS to accomplish this, but did not because they had no intention of keeping their promises?

But but but…. we trusted them! They’re all “pro America” and “family values” and “stop the cycle of scandal and disgrace!” They…. LIED? NOW what do we do?

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Dear CJ @ 11:22, as is so often the case, you argue by manufacturing a false limited universe, arguing that my position must be “a,” because only “a” exists in the universe. That people are increasingly aware of the deceptions of the Leftists is neither attributable to my efforts, nor the reason for my own awareness. The fact that Leftists publish deceptions is not attributable to my noticing them. My observation is merely a reminder to your ilk that the big lie is not working.

Dear Keep the Economy @ 11:25, the GAO chief is not evil, he merely suffers from an accountant’s limitation (no offense intended to accountants.) There is no economic distinction between taxing or borrowing. Both remove investment monies from the economy, and over the long term both damage growth. Had he added a line about the dangers of government spending money, he would have my support.

Dear JK @ 12:27, you are not surely suggesting you think any Democrat would support the contract with America? The leftists usually run away from good ideas, and I cannot believe you are with us on these.

By Willx

October 30, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

I voted a the other day since I will be out of the country on Election Day. I wrote my own name in for Governor, as neither of the big party candidates has anything of worth to offer. Slick Sonny will win because of what he is against rather than for. and Big Guy Taylor will lose because he’s got too many skeletons in his closet. Anybody want to vote for me?

By harold

October 30, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

harold had no major objections to perdue until he opened his mouth during the campaign. now perdue lost harold’s vote.

taylor definitely ain’t no better, so it’s the Libertarian candidate for Harold! he is the only one who even answered questions on the issues!

the other two were like stuck pigs squealing “land land land” and “liar liar liar”

votes for libertarians are the only votes that matter because a vote for an R or a D is the real throwaway vote because nothing ever changes with those two symbiotic leech parties.

incentally, doesnt it seem odd that perdue would bring up taylor’s 1970s cocaine use but also be seen with hanging around with Dubya? typical Republcian double standards

By CJ

October 30, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw @12:53 “Dear CJ @ 11:22, as is so often the case, you argue by manufacturing a false limited universe, arguing that my position must be “a,” because only “a” exists in the universe.”

Manufacturing a false limited universe? My position must be “a” because only “a” exists in the universe? I’d like to discuss this with you, but I can’t since I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I will tell you that, contrary to your assertion to Mr. “Keep the Economy”, there is a significant economic distinction between taxing and borrowing. Borrowing is tremendously more expensive than taxing since we have to pay interest on the borrowed money — interest that accumulates at compound rates. Much of that interest will be paid to foreign governments (e.g. China and Japan) where it will help to grow their economies (and military ambitions) instead of our economy. Also, much of that borrowed money and the interest on it will be paid by future generations rather than the generation that incurred the debt. The scariest thing about all that borrowed money is that the interest compounds so rapidly that it eats up a growing portion of our government’s budget. As a result, we have difficulty cutting taxes responsibly or spending money in areas where it’s needed such as food safety or implementing certain 9/11 report recommendations.

Also, contrary to your assertion to JK, government spending does not remove all investment or consumption money from the economy as you claimed. Government expenditures go into our economy just like private expenditures do, which is why government expenditures are included in the GDP growth figures that we hear on the news all the time.

You can make the argument that government expenditures aren’t as efficient as private expenditures (that would depend on the expenditure), but you can’t argue that taxing (or borrowing) takes ALL investment money out of the economy.

In fact, much government spending actually increases investment in the economy. For example, government expenditures for highways, transportation safety, food and product safety, education, air quality, military, law enforcement, medical research and the like provide part of the physical and economic infrastructure that serves to enhance the quality of our lives and our economic growth.

I’m not arguing that all government spending is good. But, your implication that all government spending is bad is misleading. Such non-specific generalities are just another radio talk-show misinformation tactic.

By abc

October 30, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Well now, I’d say that the people can impose term limits by simply voting the rascals out after a couple of terms. Eliminating professional politicians would (perhaps) do away with much of the self-serving crap that all politicians embrace, regardless of party.

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Isn’t the stony sullen silence of McKinney a truly glorious thing. GOOD bloody RIDDANCE … even if the replacement is rather dimwitted and inarticulate, at least the worst racist in D.C is deservedly back on the dole again!!

Its fab fun to see the lefties on here bleating about alleged GOP negativity when we all know the lefties lie and lie and smear like flea ridden rabid possums on a hot tin roof in heat!!

If the cut and run lefties FAIL to actually change (and gain) control of both houses I will be LMFAO at them and gloating like a demented vainglorious alBore when he thought like a liberal thief in the night he’d stolen the election from Bush!!

Watch Pelosi get unceremoniously dumped if things dont work out for the pinkos… that will be sweet as Cartman likes to say.

By CJ

October 30, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

“non-specific generalities” @1:53 - That was redundant, wasn’t it? Sorry about that.

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

bloody LIAR harold … time for the truth knows that the f a g h a g harold had NO intention of ever voting for Sonny. Doubtless in good part due to the fact harold is heavily featured on one of Sonny’s most important (enforced permanent exile from Georgia) to do lists.

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Dear CJ, @ 11:22 you wrote ”In his post today @9:59 and in previous posts, jbmlaw invokes yet another common radio talk-show tactic to persuade. This “I must be right because most people agree with me” tactic is one in which the debater (or talk-show figure) asserts that his or her argument is popular (whether or not it actually is), while the position of those who disagree are unpopular — therefore “my more popular position must be correct”. This tactic is another example of the lazy man’s method to winning the argument.” Thus the phony universe you manufactured, which I attempted to explain @ 12:53. Hope that helps.

Also you err in your assertion of the economic distinction between taxation and borrowing. Although you are correct about the compounding effect on borrowing, you ignore that the deprivation of lendible funds caused by taxation has an identical compound effect on the economy, just that the latter is hidden from the accountants. In contrast, reducing spending has no adverse effect subject to compounding. You (inadvertently, I’m sure) attributed another false argument to me, that I “argue that taxing (or borrowing) takes ALL investment money out of the economy,” which you follow with a partial truth: “In fact, much government spending actually increases investment in the economy.” Even if I concede that much government spending actually increases investment in the economy, surely you would concede that ALL private investment actually increases investment in the economy? I cannot imagine why you Leftists always prefer the inferior choice.

By getalife

October 30, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

My costume will scare you

By DebbieDoRight

October 30, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

You mean…. they’ve had YEARS to accomplish this, but did not because they had no intention of keeping their promises? But but but…. we trusted them! They’re all “pro America” and “family values” and “stop the cycle of scandal and disgrace!” They…. LIED? NOW what do we do?

ROFLMAO!!! Good one!!!

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

YABBBADABBBBADOOOOO!!!

The odious morbidly obese guttersnipe Taylor just has ONE WEEK LEFT in Georgia politics and then its bye bye Taylor … wonder if he’ll follow the alBore model and indulge in month and months of embittered comfort food binging … OOOPS way too late - my bad!

By DebbieDoRight

October 30, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Most truthful Statement to date:

The most egregious part that the Republicans elected under the “Contract” lied about was their pledge for term limits. It was just a bigtime con job.

Bravo!!!

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Dear CK, I need to modify my previous argument slightly. I affirmed that the compound harmful effect on the economy caused by taxation is equal to that compound harmful effect cause by borrowing. In fact, the borrowing “harm” is less than the taxation “harm,” as the return rates on private investment are higher; thus the taxation opportunity cost loss is greater than the lending opportunity loss. Thus tax and spend is worse than borrow and spend.

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

jbm

I feel I have to gently challenge your statement that “ALL private investment increases investment in the economy” with at least one amusing (notional) exception that seemingly proves the rule. Surely the fitting, ignominious fate of the now hilariously bankrupt Bush hate peddling Dead Air AmeriKa - rather loosely described as a national radio network - somewhat undermines this notion as the ‘investment’ was NEVER really an investment with anything of substance, merit or quality or even saleable actually produced for the ‘investors’ as a return. It was manifestly just a bottomless pit of private sector Bush hate funded by irrational Bush haters. I’m just saying …smirk

CJ as we all know isn’t too bright, so please don’t keep humiliating him with too much reasoned argument.

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Touche, TFTT. I yield to the superior argument.

By Mrs. RepubLady

October 30, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Stop whining, lefties! No one cares about your silly notion of fiscal responsibility. We say that because that’s what people want to hear, not because our proud GOP leaders will actually bother with it!

Your stupid. Shut up. The Republicans will be triumpant once again next week, and theirs nothing you can do about it! Nothing.

By Lisa

October 30, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

JBM…please hush with all the bickering of economics. You are a scum lawyer with a liberal arts degree and I’ve told you before that you are a dime a dozen. Glorified history teacher… Real attorneys pass the patent bar

By jbmlaw

October 30, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Ha, Lisa, you and I both know real attorneys stop in at every bar we pass.

By Rod

October 30, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Hey, Mrs. RepubLady - before you start calling others stupid, you need to look in the mirror.

In your blue statement: “Your stupid. Shut up. The Republicans will be triumpant once again next week, and theirs nothing you can do about it!” - you made two pathetic errors. You wrote Your when it should have been You’re (as in You are) and you wrote theirs when it should have been theres.

If you’re going to call someone stupid, at least learn how to spell. And no, they weren’t typos - they were stupid, illiterate misspelled words. You must be tftt’s mother (God knows tftt doesn’t have a daddy).

By Osama

October 30, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT COMMENT FOR?!?! Of course tftt has a daddy - I’m her daddy! Now shut the crap up!

By Aquaman

October 30, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Chazman,

Move on, buddy.

No comment on DeLay or Lott. They are not running for governor of Georgia.

It wouldn’t matter if they were running for Governor of GA, you still wouldn’t answer the question. It’s been out there for days now and you haven’t the courage to address it.

Keep bobbing and weaving and trying to regain the high ground with protestations like “I’ve answered the question” and “move on.” The truth still lies out there like a dead fish in the sun. You’ve been pegged in your hypocrisy and it stings like hell.

By CJ

October 30, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Forgive me jbmlaw…I could have sworn that I’ve read you posting about the unpopularity of “Leftist’s” positions and the popularity of your positions, seemingly suggesting that such popularity makes your positions more valid. Assuming I’m incorrect in that observation, are you agreeing with me that the popularity of a position doesn’t necessarily mean that the position is correct? Or are do you believe that rounding up the Jews was the correct action for Nazi Germany since most Germans supported it at the time?

You wrote “Even if I concede that much government spending actually increases investment in the economy, surely you would concede that ALL private investment actually increases investment in the economy?”. You’re comparing apples and oranges — you’re comparing government spending with private investment. You need to compare government investment with private investment. Yes jbm, ALL government and private investment in the economy increases investment in the economy. Some private investment is good (Google), some not so good (Enron)…same goes for government investment ($9 billion unaccounted for in Iraq – not so good).

You’re not assuming that all tax money collected was money that otherwise be invested are you? TFTT no doubt would have spent his tax payments on that much more British porn. Good for him. But I’d argue that we’re all better off, TFTT included, with investments made in the Army Corp of Engineers to manage the river basins that supply our drinking water.

I’m not following your “borrow and spend” is better than “tax and spend” argument. I’m guessing it’s another attempted rationalization like when you argued that Dusty was right about the best schools being in the South by pointing out the top university located in New Mexico. Or what about the other day, when you argued that it’s not undermining our troops to criticize President Clinton’s actions in Kosovo since Yugoslavia had a defined border, but criticizing President Bush for Iraq is not okay because the war on terror doesn’t have a defined border? That one was a doozy.

Let me ask you this jbm. Is it okay to criticize the President when we fight in the desert? Or is criticizing the President only permissible when we have troops in the woods? What about mountains vs. beaches? How about troops in the cold vs. troops in the heat? Any rationalizations there?

No, generally speaking, “borrow and spend” is not better than “tax and spend”, regardless of your opportunity cost rationalization. However, I will say that government borrowing, within reason, is frequently necessary and wise. But, Republican deficit upon deficit and the exponential growth of the resulting compound interest will ultimately catch up with us and/or future generations.

By abc

October 30, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Uh, Rod… if you click the link you’ll see a graphic that represents the notion that Diebold voting machines are already rigged to give Republicans the mid-term elections no matter how people actually vote. Obviously, the poster is trying to portray themselves as a semi-literate Republican.

This is a legitimate concern, actually; Diebold machines aren’t that hard to hack and/or preconfigure to commit fraud, many in GA don’t print out a receipt or paper copy of each vote so recounts aren’t possible (only the electronic data is available), and there’s at least a bit of a case that voter fraud has been perpetrated upon us in the past 2 elections. In 2004, several counties in Ohio, GA (around Atlanta) and FL using Diebold machines got very questionable results, such as -17,000 votes for Kerry in one Florida precinct. Hmmmm.

By Cletus Snow

October 30, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t get too far out in politics, use what you got.

By Mrs. RepubLady

October 30, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Stop pestoring Dusty! She is a good Republican American, and you have no right to besmirk her patriotism! It is different when good American Republican from Texas says something and when you liberal scum loving traiders say it. Different people mean different things Dumbo! Stop trying to push your stupid equality argument on good God loving American patritos. It’s not the same!

By Curious Observer

October 30, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

In 2004, several counties in Ohio, GA (around Atlanta) and FL using Diebold machines got very questionable results, such as -17,000 votes for Kerry in one Florida precinct. Hmmmm

Geez, abc, I knew a lot of those redneck Republicans in Florida disliked Kerry, but I had no idea that they could give him negative votes. Anyone for an emergency return to paper ballots? No wonder Rove is so confident that the Republicans will retain both the House and the Senate.

By getalife

October 30, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Forget all that partisan bickering. It does not matter who wins this election. The damage is done and America is no more.

Besides, it is Halloween.

Should I go as Mark Foley or Osama bin Laden?

By DebbieDoRight

October 30, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

going as Osama will get you shot. Go as Foley and REALLY scare some kids!

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Didn’t take long did it? Now the lefties are back to puking up their visceral abuse of their intellectual and genetic conservative betters … the f* hag moron rod owes a certain Third World experimental sperm bank in Timbucktoo a gargantuan personal debt!! And the ever imbecilic CJ is still despicably projecting its own pathetic seedy addiction to (FBI child protection squad alert) porn onto its right wing betters.

Now if we rounded up all the cut and run leftists in the USA that would be a truly populist move and no one, certainly no one of any consequence would really care. I guess, using CJ’s “model”, we’d have to dump them in a cold desert next to a heavily polluted beach but NO ONE would seriously criticise Bush for that. Indeed Fox News would at least quadruple their ratings for such fine entertainment.

I wouldn’t have to borrow anything to spend on entertainment for this and every conservative would be happy - except maybe Mary Matalin who would have to say a fond good bye to the rabid Cajun mutant Satan Karville!! And future generations would be forever grateful to us for finally clearing out all the American pondscum. We could even have a movie - with Arnie, Bruce and Clint rounding up loads of lefties and shooting a few of the nastier ones, just as examples for the rest. LOVELY JUBBLY!

By DebbieDoRight

October 30, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Cheney: Iraq Violence Linked to Election:

WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday the increase of violence in Iraq is linked with efforts to influence the outcome of midterm elections in which Republicans are struggling to keep control of Congress.

“It’s my belief that they’re very sensitive of the fact that we’ve got an election scheduled and they can get on the Web sites like anybody else,” Cheney said. He said al-Qaida and other elements were trying to “break the will of the American people” because “they think we don’t have the stomach for the fight long-term.”

Asked if the attacks were timed to influence the U.S. elections, Cheney said, “That’s my belief.”

Now in its fourth year, the Iraq war is a political liability for Bush and Republican allies.

I thought they said that the “Mission Was Complete”, 3 1/2 years ago!

By time for the truth

October 30, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

going as Osama will get you shot.

EXCELLENT!! We’ll buy/rent you an osama costume then ritalin Debbie, if you promise this will happen immediately!! — rednekkks is already going as Foley.