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Let’s tax you for me

By Jim Wooten | Sunday, October 22, 2006, 07:21 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Kia, the auto manufacturer, broke ground last Friday on a $1.2 billion plant, its first in America. To lure the company, Georgia taxpayers provide incentives worth about $400 million, or about $160,000 per job.

Business incentives that pit one state against another are losers for all. My preference would be to end them, and to end the state’s corporate income tax as well. One company shouldn’t pay to provide incentives to a potential competitor.

Two related questions: Do you object to your tax dollars going to lure companies to Georgia? And, if you could eliminate one tax as an incentive to promote some desirable behavior or activity, what would it be? One proposal in this election season has been to eliminate state taxes on retirement income in an effort to attract them to Georgia.

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By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 22, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Jim:

1) If I’m reading this right, KIA is funding 800 million of a 1.2 billion dollar factory construction project. That’s a gift where I’m looking from.

2) If you factor $160,000 per job over ten years, considering the economic influx to the region and the local tax base, it seems like a bargain.

3) Incentives are a fact of life, if you end them in Georgia or even the U.S. someone like Mexico will take up the slack.

{^*^}

Another week, another Queen Pinko column:

In the weeks and months following the terrorist atrocities of Sept. 11, Americans wanted to believe that we could find our way back to a time when terrorism didn’t happen here. They might strike U.S. embassies in east Africa, U.S. Navy destroyers in Middle Eastern waters or tourist hotels on faraway islands, but we wanted to believe we could keep them from reaching us here a second time.

So the libs believe it’s O.K. to blow up American warships and infidel tourists on vacation, eh?

Bush had a major advantage in persuading Americans to support his Iraqi misadventure: Voters wanted to believe that ousting Saddam would take care of terrorists. The president offered the certainty that the nation craved. It’s easier to believe in a highly unlikely proposition if you desperately want it to be true.

And here I thought the measure of success would be if the terrorists hit us again, I guess not, huh?

The United States is a strong and capable nation, but we are vulnerable to bird flu from Singapore, suitcase nukes from the old Soviet empire and suicide bombers from Saudi Arabia. Our best strategy for protecting ourselves will always be a nuanced and multifaceted approach using diplomacy.

Bird flu? A “suitcase” that would have to weigh 1 ton to carry a nuke?

Suicide bombers from Saudi Arabia? The same ones whose phone conversations you won’t let us listen to? The same Saudi Arabia that is located, let’s see here, right next to Iraq, where they can walk across the border and join the jihad???? Is this too much for your ignoramuses to understand????

Want to get the United States off of the terrorists back and get us focused on the important things like Richard Clarke’s Y2K?

Then vote democrat or be a cut and run Conservative.

The libs keep telling us their plan^^ all we have to do is listen.

{^*^}

Front Page headline of the Urinal:

Was Jesus rich?

Liberal Translation: “Was Jesus too good for you? Don’t fret, we’ll accept you in our gay little pinko family.”

Go to the story on page X36:

Swanky messiah not far-fetched in Prosperity Gospel

The AJC makes special place for religious moonbats, whilst serious Religious voices get strangely overlooked and even silenced, wonder why that is???

{^*^}

2,749: People who died in Sept. 11 attacks, 2,791: U.S. military personnel killed since war began in March 2003

Scroll down to the bottom of this little pinko liberal, cut and run, anti American “Iraq by the numbers” display and tell me what number is missing from it. _

_

Number of Al Qaeda terrorists killed or captured????????

Why would the pinkos hide that number????

[^*^}

You tell me if the liberals are using Kevin Tillman’s grief for political purposes:

Truthdig-Drilling beneath the headlines

He’s just another kook now, consigned to the obscurity of the fever swamp.

{^*^}

Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By deegee

October 22, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

The tax code is a mess because politicians have converted it into a tool for social engineers. Every deduction in the code is designed to herd the masses into the political stockyard. They are pi$Sing in the face of the middle class and calling it rain. Get rid of the tax code and levy a uniform fair tax on all citizens and citizens only.

By Sonny's An Idiot

October 22, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Once more Alabam out smarts Georgia, this time winning a free auto assembley plant on the border with Georgia. I be half the jobs at this plant will go to Alabama residents. So Geogia pays hundreds of millions of dollars, Alabama pays nothing, and Sonny the Idiot gets to add an auto plant to his sonny-done list.

By Markus the liar, Van the parasite, truthless come on out and play

October 22, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

I wanna bbiittcchh slap you some more today!

By @@

October 22, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Jim: It’s always been my understanding that new business generates property and income tax for the state or county in which it locates. Using my tax dollars to lure business should and could benefit residents, but only if the government does so wisely, which rarely is the case.

What tax would I eliminate to promote desireable behavior and activities? On the federal level, it would be the marriage tax.

If you’re talking about state tax only, the tax on retirement income sounds good, but in that I’m opposed to the inheritance tax, and hope to see it abolished, it seems that we’d be attracting older residents with limited time left to contribute. Their remaining taxable income would probably go to children who reside in other states. Retired Americans are a renewable resource though. As much as we’d like to, there’s no way we can stop the clock.

Retired Americans, if they’ve been financially responsible throughout their younger years, do have more disposable income that they could invest in the state. If they haven’t been responsible, it could result in a backfire, something that old folks are inclined to do whenever and wherever they want. It’s a right of passage.

If we could just find a way to harness that energy source. An unending alternative fuel.

By Seriously

October 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

This $400 million give away is Socialism. Since when was it a government function to provide this type of investment to private enterprise?

You right wing commies are killing this country. Your love of commie China, the Medicare Drug Plan. Monopolies. Farm subsidies. Corporate welfare. No corporate taxation. Now this.

Republicans are the new Socialists. They should re-name “Red State” to “Pinko State”, you Republicans have certainly faded.

By We're gonna raise your body count

October 22, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

That’s what the Bush Republicans want to do. Send more of our kids to Iraq to get killed. Hey scardy-tax poster, forget about listening to Saudi Arabian phone calls. Let’s bomb them instead! That’s where all the terrorists and the terrorist funds are coming from.

Vote them out November 7.

By U. S. Diplomat: U.S. arrogant, stupid in Iraq

October 22, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Diplomat: U.S. arrogant, stupid in Iraq A senior U.S. State Department diplomat caused embarrassment in Washington after telling Arab satellite network Al Jazeera that there is a strong possibility history will show the United States displayed “arrogance” and “stupidity” in its handling of the Iraq war. The White House has distanced itself from the comments by kicking dirt over Dickie, Wolfie, and Libbie ‘s tracks.

By @@

October 22, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I was just reading We’re Gonna…..Raise……Your……Taxes!!!! link on “Was Jesus Rich?”

It seems odd that a minister would encourage worldly possessions and materialism by Christians. It’s all in a person’s interpretation of the scriptures, but how the parishioners hear the message should be considered. It is far better to give than to receive.

Mother Theresa comes to mind. Owned nothing, but gave her all to the less fortunate among us.

Worrisome!

By catlady

October 22, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

All tax breaks for any special interest should be abolished. We should have a rule of thumb: if the break doesn’t benefit at least 75% of the population, it is not considered. Same thing goes for entitlements such as subsidies for farming, housing, etc.

By catlady

October 22, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

It is sorta like many Republicans’ ideas about war: Let’s you and him fight.

By Brian Curtis

October 22, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

So here we see the far-right hypocrisy in all its glory. Taxes are bad—except when they’re granted as “incentives” to corporations. Or really, as tribute to bribe them into blessing us with their awesome presence.

Last time I checked, I’m not a corporation. Gee, I wonder which side I should be on for the tax-incentives question…?

By Political Foreskin

October 22, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

By We’re gonna raise your body count October 22, 2006 10:03 AM That’s what the Bush Republicans want to do. Send more of our kids to Iraq to get killed. Hey scardy-tax poster, forget about listening to Saudi Arabian phone calls. Let’s bomb them instead!

Never mind our total abandonment of the basic pinko tenet of “Make love not war” and “Cut and Run, I wonder how this idiot thinks we could bomb Saudi Arabia without “sending more kids?”

Is this a mental issue?

@@: That’s exactly why the AJC gave “wordly possessions” minister voice is because he is so far off the Christian message of giving.

Plus it alienates all of those who have nothing.

Call it an AJC church of liberalism membership drive, if you will.

By Political Foreskin

October 22, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

By Seriously October 22, 2006 10:01 AM This $400 million give away is Socialism.

Only an ITP Atlanta pinko would call an 400 million dollar investment “socialism.”

I think finding a job, paying taxes and funding your own way in the world would probably help this idiot to understand but, then again, maybe not.

By Viva La Raza

October 22, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

We are no longer “illegal immigrants”!

We shall now be known as “incentive immigrants”!!

Viva!!

By We're gonna raise your body count

October 22, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

By Political Foreskin October 22, 2006 10:49 AM Never mind our total abandonment of the basic pinko tenet of “Make love not war” and “Cut and Run, I wonder how this idiot thinks we could bomb Saudi Arabia without “sending more kids?”

What, wanting to focus the US military on the REAL enemy makes me a “pinko”??

We don’t have to send more kids. Just reposition the ones that are already there! At least they’d die fighting a nation that’s actually sent men and money all over the world to kill us!

I guess totally wasting American lives and treasure is a wingnut thing. And youre right. I dont get it.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the truth on cut and run

And w redines victory in Iraq

This is where your tax money is going.

What a frigging waste.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

The whopper of all lies

By Talon News

October 22, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Getawif, you libby lib liberal. Don’t even try that. Ken Mehlman is one of my closet friends. Really, we are very close. Don’t even try your evil ways with him. He is honest and a good Republican. LEAVE HIM ALONE!!

Jeff…O~O

By getalife

October 22, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

I thought we would never set a timeline

By Talon News

October 22, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Whoops! On my 11:45 post I meant to say Ken Mehlman was one of my “closest friends”. NOT “closet friends”

Jeff… O~O

By getalife

October 22, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Yes, Jeff.

I am sure he is.

He has a face only you and his mother could love.

By Political Foreskin

October 22, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

By We’re gonna raise your body count October 22, 2006 11:20 AM What, wanting to focus the US military on the REAL enemy makes me a “pinko”??

Neocon: Mohammed Atta was an Egyptian, should we bomb them too?

And what about Iran, they’ve funded nearly every terrorist attack on America except conveniently 9/11.

What about this^^ for all you cut and run Conservatives who don’t think Bush is doing a good job for you. In the span of one month he has the pinkos gay bashing, undertaking homosexual witch hunts, finally speaking out against pedophilia and now they want to bomb the Middle East back to the stone age.

Plus they got Hillary attending “church.”

By Dusty

October 22, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Jim,

I’m not sure. You make this tax issue sound bad. Give away my taxes….no no no.

On the other hand, “Raise ..Your..Taxes”..makes a pretty good case. Money for the state…yes yes yes.

But there is one thing I do know. I wouldn’t buy a Kia if it had silver bells on it. My car is made by an American company that has headquarters right in the USA. Sure, I know some of the parts are foreign. And nothing against south Koreans. I just rather support Americans when there is a choice. Looking at the import/export ratios I think we all better support American companies.

By Jim "if only i had a brain" sent me an email

October 22, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Telling me to get constructive, or get off his blog! Since I am a long time subscriber to the AJC, I have a little bit of power, specifically to cancel my subscription, not just to the AJC, but to all newspapers. Anyone with me, a boycott of the AJC in protest of Jim’s demand that we be “Yes” men for our Masters in the Repuke party? Boycott, Boycott, Boycott - Sincerely, Whet

By Get real!

October 22, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

You can stop with the tax waste and raising taxes.

Just look at all the stolen and wasted money by the gop.

The deficit is a record breaker and our government spends like there is no tomorrow.

Get real!.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Incentives are nothing new when referring to auto plants. Alabama had no less than five opportunities to have plants, including Atlanta’s Ford and GM plants. Talk to any pro-union Alabaman who remembers Georgia getting Doraville when the Alabama leaders didn’t want to give incentives to GM, and his frustration is still there.

Alabama finally woke up with Mercedes in Vance and Honda outside Birmingman. One thing anti-incentive people don’t take into consideration is all the jobs and businesses that are directly spun off from these plants.

The South and Midwest are ripe grounds for auto manufacturers for a host of reasons including plenty of cheap land, an endless supply of applicants, and cheap cost of living. Anyone who can even FIND land in New Jersey for a plant will run for the hills when they see the cost of the aforementioned. And they don’t even think about building one in Ted Kennedy’s Taxachussetts.

Regarding using tax payer dollars, I find it interesting the liberals are saying this is “socialism.” I surmise the liberal Democrits here are against this practice because companies will make that evil profit. if it’s not a “non-profit” organization, you can bet liberals will be against it every time. In any other world, taking people’s taxpayer dollars and giving it to the state for concessions for jobs is nothing less than “giving to the whole.”

That’s right up a liberal’s alley. So, why am I for it? Because it’s a HELL of a lot more productive to the community than giving tax dollars to third, fourth, and fifth generation welfare deadbeats who breed for dollars.

By GLC

October 22, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Georgia does not levy income taxes on Social Security benefits. Therefore, Perdue’s promise has no effect on Social Security.

In addition to the Social Security exemption, Georgians over 62 may now exclude the first $25,000 of retirement income for taxable purposes. That retirement exemption goes up to $30,000 in 2007 and $35,000 in 2008. (Example: Under current law, in 2008 and beyond, if both spouses are over 62, then the first $70,000 of their annual retirement income will be tax-free in Georgia. Plus, all their Social Security benefits are exempt from state income taxes.)

So unless you’re hauling down a golden-parachute pension from a corporate executive suite or a big-time union payoff, the “Sonny Do” tax-elimination plan will not put any extra bucks in your pocket.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

If Jim cracks down on the idiot at 12:57 I might subscribe to this rag too.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

catlady,

Interesting approach. Can we also say that no government spending can be approved unless it benefits at least 75% of the people?

By Slap, Markus, Slap

October 22, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Ah see’s your lips are still red from kissing jesus-a* at your local house of lies. You are so full of sshhiitt that u must be a luthern.

By Yo RW

October 22, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

The only crack jim is familar with is what shows over the beltling on the back of his sissyboy suit.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

It’s adult day today and being on topic, libonazi. Speak adult and stay on topic or you will be ignored. I’m making like Van Halen in 1982 and announcing “Fair Warning.”

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 22, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Telling the truth:

“You can’t say I want to win the war but not be willing to fight the war,” said Rove, Bush’s top political adviser. “And if leading Democrats have their way, our nation will be weaker and the enemies of our nation will be stronger. And that’s a stark fact, and it’s the reason that this fall election will turn very heavily on national security.”-WashingtonPost

{^*^}

The fact so many Americans don’t recognize the conflict in Iraq as but a battle in the overall war against Islamofascism — a war taking place in Baghdad, Haifa, Beirut, Madrid, Paris, London, Manila, Bali, Kabul, Islamabad and New York, to name but a few places around the globe — is proof positive they haven’t found it important enough to be bothered with seeking out the facts. And we are the ones who have empowered the elitist enterprises of the agenda-driven media by not questioning their motives and by accepting their ratings-based, often sensationalized, blather as truth without examination of their reports.-WashingtonTimes

{^*^}

American voters are more sophisticated than the average Washington pundit gives them credit for being. Voters are motivated by more than a couple media-pushed issues, even when they are as compelling as a foreign war and congressional corruption. In close races around the country, other issues may prove decisive. Pro-life voters, for example, are just as pro-life and every bit as dedicated today as they were in 2004. With the electorate divided just about evenly over the war in Iraq, the 2004 election turned on other issues, pre-eminently the “values issues.”-WashingtonTimes

{^*^}

The delusion goes beyond defining evil down. We can’t even recognize danger when we see it. Today, disturbed homeless people live among us instead of in institutions where they would pose no threat to society and could be properly cared for. Once we kept them there, but do-gooders like Rosalyn Carter got thousands of them released so they could sleep in our parks and defecate in parking garage stairwells. We know little about their criminal records. When one commits a violent crime, we are shocked — shocked! — that such a person managed to obtain a weapon. We demand more laws. We want someone held accountable. But we’re the responsible party. Our indifference to danger is befouling our culture and costing our children their lives and futures.-WashingtonTimes

{^*^}

Having begun less than two months after Mr. Bush entered office, the recession cannot in any way be attributed to the actions of his administration. Nor can the Bush administration be held accountable for the deterioration in the stock market that continued after the recession officially ended in November 2001. The stock-market bubble had not sufficiently deflated by the end of 2001. However, the administration can be judged by how it reacted to the recession it inherited.-WashingtonTimes

By Oh, Jimmy

October 22, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Your big mouth bigot pals don’t even subscribe to your newspaper! Now that is loyalty. You serve as their unpaid (I hope) mouth piece on an independent newspaper (that pays you to be independent) and your rightwing bigot pals don’t even help support your business. That sounds so Republican.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Uh oh-

Barron’s says Republicans will hold on to both chambers. I’m not so optimistic, but everyone I have spoken to (I don’t know/hang with RATs) in states where the election means something, especially in Missouri, will be out in full force like in 2002 and 2004.

So, do you liberals have a plan for not gaining power? I know the mainstream media wants you jackasses to think otherwise. Of course, if you do lose (and it’s a BIG if), I’d like to thank the mainstream liberal media for screaming front page headlines on the GOP woes and waking us the hell up, again.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

The AJC is about as “independent” as The Nation.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

OJ,

Since this is the AJC web site, how is this not helping to support Jim’s business. Besides I thought you freaks were all about saving trees.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Oh libonazi-

“[Jim] You serve as their [cons] unpaid (I hope) mouth piece on an independent newspaper (that pays you to be independent) and your rightwing bigot pals don’t even help support your business.”

Who are you calling a bigot? We never served in the KKK like Robert Byrd. We never call Blacks “Uncle Toms” when they stray from the farm.

Yet again another marxist liberal who wishes the voice of opposition to his/her/it’s ideology (if you want to call the sickness of liberalism an ideology) would shut up for good.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

This article is the talking point of the modern horseass Stalinist left. We Conservatives are outbreeding them with families, and they don’t like it. Kindly note the comment of “lethal Christian belief” here. It’s a real eye-opener to where their mentality stability is these days. Only in San Freaksicko…

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/09/29/notes092906.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford

Keep this mentality in mind if you want to sit out this election. Think Pelosi here.

By Jim

October 22, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

RW and Markus are freeloaders on your website. The ajc makes no money from this forum (no ad clicks here) and they have to pay you to monitor (loaf?) it all day long. If you don’t subscribe to the paper, the ajc makes no money from you.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Jim has a column titled “Thinking Right” and some jackass liberal claims he’s supposed to be a paid “independent” commentator. Yeah, and Cynthia Tucker is an “independent” Editor At Large.

Has someone found the planet Utopia where these foolish liberals teleport from daily? I keep trying through my medium-powered Orion telescope, but I just can’t find it yet. I know it’s out there.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Cadillac….Sonny’s….Wachovia….Leaf Guard….

Nope, no ads here freak.

By Ah pray to allah we meet one day markus

October 22, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

i want to see what a bigot coward looks like as he p** his pruty pink panties.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Markus has a fan. Markus therefore feels as if he’s doing something right. Markus therefore is happy.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Sex ed for kindergartners. Uhmmm, oookay. This is what liberalism is doing to this nation. But it gets better:

“The new classes, which begin soon, will address self-esteem and peer pressure as well as biology.”

Yep, just as I have been saying for years: “self-esteem” is just as important as learning about the real freaking world. And to think these idiots wonder why Americans can’t keep up with other nations in the indoctrination… err… I mean, education department.

Is this where this sick nation is headed with liberalism at the helm of public education? How feel-good nice.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061021/NEWS0102/610210352

By getalife

October 22, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

{What the Dems will do](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15365610/site/newsweek/)

It is about accountablilty.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Oops, What the Dems will do:

It is about accountablilty.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

RW-

“*Cadillac….Sonny’s….Wachovia….Leaf Guard….

Nope, no ads here freak.*”

Hehehe… you do realize you’re dealing with an ex-60’s hippy liberal stoner, don’t you?

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Honu,

Here’s a place you can listen to the game.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Is this the same hippie that got his a$$ kicked by a 60 year old Kimmer?

By Markus

October 22, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

The stalker libonazi RAT disappears, and magically gitmolife appears.

I haven’t seen that kind of bait-n-switch since John f’n Kerry’s stance on Iraq.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

RW-

It HAS to be. Forum anger over politics is one thing, but this asshat liberal is over the top on the Kimmer and continues to not shut up over the incident WAY beyond someone who just heard about it.

Of course, it could be our resident schizoid freak libonazi upset about the incident so much that he/she WISHED it to happen to him/her, and in his/her mind, it happened.

You know how liberals will tell lies long enough and often enough that they eventually themselves believe the lies to be true…

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Markus,

Over on the scribblers page there’s a tosser called N-GA that has convinced itself that it’s a retired millionaire war hero. So as far as delusions go this Kimmer fanatic is a babe in the woods. All the little freak has to do is call KP for directions and a time.

By Moonie Times alert

October 22, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

It takes a special kind of stupidity to promote anything that piece of crap newspaper spews.

The fact so many Americans don’t recognize the conflict in Iraq as but a battle in the overall war against Islamofascism — a war taking place in Baghdad, Haifa, Beirut, Madrid, Paris, London, Manila, Bali, Kabul, Islamabad and New York, to name but a few places around the globe — is proof positive they haven’t found it important enough to be bothered with seeking out the facts.

Diddledrivel. Americans realize that the conflict in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on “Islamofascism”. It’s Sunnis and Shiites killing eachother. They’re far more interested in behaving like gangsters than promoting Islamic purity.

Today, disturbed homeless people live among us instead of in institutions where they would pose no threat to society and could be properly cared for. Once we kept them there, but do-gooders like Rosalyn Carter got thousands of them released so they could sleep in our parks and defecate in parking garage stairwells.

This is an OUTRIGHT LIE and anyone who was conscious in the 1970s and 1980s knows it. It was PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN who slashed mental health funding after doing the same as California governor.

Of course, nearly everything the neonazi racist Moonie Times prints is suspect. But these are two blatant examples.

Just setting the record straight.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Now the LA Slimes is on the Pelosi bandwagon. I haven’t seen this much a*-kissing since the Clintoon days by the Slimes at LA. Nah, no media bias whatsoever:

“exquisitely dressed”

“stylish pale-green suit”

“the Democrats are within tantalizing reach”

“She leans toward mind-numbing alliteration”

“Pelosi served as California state party chair and learned the art of raising money” (oh ok, so if Democrits raise money, it’s “art”)

Oh GAG me already with the liberal feel-good giddieness over Pelosi. Now I have to clean up my laptop screen from all that liberal drool over Pelosi.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-pelosi21oct21,0,4332651.story?coll=la-home-headlines

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

HEY! finch showed up at 3:33. I bet that’s the digital clock equivalent of 666.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Cloonie Times alert-

Make fun of Reagan all you want, but he sent your hero Carter hauling @ss back to the peanut farm where he belonged (but didn’t stay unfortunately)… all states sans GA, HI, MN, MD, the DC, and WV worth. And he did the same with your wonderboy Mondale in 1984 sans ONE state, MN. So GET OVER REAGAN already, you backyard laundry lifting liberal Stalinist.

May I suggest a nice smoked gouda with that whine?

By getalife

October 22, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Karma for the worst President ever

Remember all those Clinton hearings?

Karma.

Bwhahahahahaha!

By Markus

October 22, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Corporate corruption? Who cares. I want a congressional investigation as to why HDMI cables cost so damned much.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

gitmolife-

IF IF IF…

Talk to us in a little over two weeks. Until then, you just ain’t all that.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

macaca,

Lets see, you want Hasturd a pervert appeaser, instead of Pelosi.

You do not want accountability for the failures and more failures.

Why do you hate our country?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 22, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

By finch pedophile October 22, 2006 03:33 PM It takes a special kind of stupidity to promote anything that piece of crap newspaper spews. This is an OUTRIGHT LIE and anyone who was conscious in the 1970s and 1980s knows it. It was PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN who slashed mental health funding after doing the same as California governor.

Yep:

Mrs. Carter emerged as a driving force for mental health when, during the Carter administration, she became active honorary chair of the President’s Commission on Mental Health, which resulted in passage of the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980.-JimmyCarterLibrary

1980: The National Mental Health Systems Act, which asserted that the federal government would continue to shape mental health policy but assume less of the burden of paying for treatment, is passed.

She kicked them out on the street, truth hurts don’t it bonnie?

By bonnie scott child molestor freak alert October 22, 2006 03:33 PM The fact so many Americans don’t recognize the conflict in Iraq as but a battle in the overall war against Islamofascism — a war taking place in Baghdad, Haifa, Beirut, Madrid, Paris

Really:

PARIS (Reuters) - French police and youths clashed in a Paris suburb on Sunday as tensions mounted ahead of the anniversary of riots last year that shocked the country and provoked renewed debate about the integration of immigrants. A police spokesman said 30 to 50 individuals were involved in the clashes in Grigny south of Paris that started after youths set several cars on fire and torching a bus after ordering its passengers off.

So that’s why finch is so stupid and doesn’t know squat, he studies up in the pages of the pinko times where they call Islamic loonies “youths.”

He fell for that crap.

Sucker.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 22, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Markus: gitmolife has already sent his mum after a case of Korbel’s champagne, has the rec room covered with blue balloons, bunting and confetti and has a timer set to go off at the exact moment that CNN will begin releasing their fake exit poll results.

I hope he makes it that long, hahahahaha.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Poor Andy.

Still cheering on the destruction of our country.

Why do you hate our country Andy?

Are you a terrorist?

By Markus

October 22, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Pelosi: “We love tax cuts.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXoqALnV0ok

Funny, the old dried up ex-60s hippy liberal Democrit witch voted against every tax cut she ever saw.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll084.xml

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll075.xml

http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/NancyPelosiTax_Reform.htm

And this idiot liar wants power in Congress? Stupid liberal.

By Aquagirl

October 22, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Yep, same ‘ol Markus. It’s been here sniveling all day.

Funny how you’re ranting now about Pelosi’s being against tax cuts, when Jim’s article today is about how SonnyBoy is giving out corporate welfare. Oh, but it dismissed that in a couple of lines, then goes back to whining about Pelosi.

It was a nice day out, too bad you spent it all hunched in front of a screen being bitter. Couldn’t happen to a nicer it.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Poor Gimolife still stuck on stupid-

“Why do you hate our country?”

Gee, while not directed at me, I’ll say that a jackhole liberal fascist appeaser who supports trashing the traditional American family, running from muslofascist terrorism (and claiming we’re just “scared” of them), punishing those who start businesses with insane Gestapo federal socialist “livable wage” and healthcare mandates, punishing the successful with “progressive” income taxes ala Karl Marx, and ensuring our children learn about Clinton b***** in grade school as a part of a quality education is one who needs to find another place to live.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

So, no pinko liberal has a comment on my ON TOPIC 1:22 huh? Didn’t think so.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Aquanut-

I’m enjoying my new home theatre system and football/NASCAR. Yesterday was my “out” day. Besides, it’s that time of year where the boat is put away, it’s too cold to play tennis, and being indoors is where it’s at.

If you have nothing more to contribute to this forum gitmolif… errr I mean Aquagirl, then don’t bother wasting your time here. And mine.

By Moonie Times alert

October 22, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

You can drop names and quote biased places all you want Mister Taxes, I know from personal experience that the mentally ill weren’t kicked onto the streets until Reagan was president. It’s you and that Moonie newspaper who really need to be locked up for LYING.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Oh I almost forgot Aquanut, just like tax cuts go to those who contribute to and invest in society, so do tax incentives that go to those who will work and pay taxes for a living in a factory. Unlike, say, welfare recipients? Oh just DAMN I know that painful truth hurt a little.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

macaca,

Damn you are ignorant.

You just described your party dumbass.

The gop are China loving, fascist dictator enabling , pervert lovers.

By Aquagirl

October 22, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Marcus, if you want to support the American family, you might want to start with yours. As in participating in a family activity, as opposed to blogging all Sunday.

But then your family is better off without a bitter chickenhawk who wants to keep trashing cut-and-runners like Kevin Tillman (who could bust your jaw with one hand, while pouring a beer with the other), passing out tax dollars to poor impoverished multinational corperations, and ensuring that all children have a totally ignored copy of the 10 commandments on the school wall.

It’s not that you just hate the country, you hate everything. No wonder the Republican party is so dear to you.

By Aquagirl

October 22, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Oh, a great family day of staring at a screen! Family values!

You can’t change the fact, Markus, that your boy Sonny is handing out Georgia tax dollars to KIA. And he’s bribing the wrinkled class to freeload and not pay any taxes because he wants votes.

Republicans: The Party of Entitlement.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Part of that 4:45 is the first honest thing I’ve ever seen finchie say. Yes Sybil bon finchie moonie freak, the rest of us have known for a LONG time that you have personal experience with mental illness.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Gitmolife-

My Samsung plasma was made in Mexico. My Dell XP media center E1705 laptop that controls it was made in Malaysia. Try again. BTW, what’s your party saying about outsourcing jobs again? Oh yeah, they AREN’T.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl-

Your comment about posting all day on a Sunday is laughable considering you and your ilk find all day during the week to do it. Who the hell are you? The libonazi blog police? You know nothing about “me” other than what I divulge here.

That said, I’ll take Sonny using my tax dollars to jobs instead of deadbeats in downtown Atlanta. And you can quote me on that, Stalinist liberal.

By getalife

October 22, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

During an interview today on ABC’s This Week, President Bush tried to distance himself from what has been his core strategy in Iraq for the last three years. George Stephanopoulos asked about James Baker’s plan to develop a strategy for Iraq that is “between ‘stay the course’ and ‘cut and run.’”

Bush responded, ‘We’ve never been stay the course, George!

WTF is wrong with this macaca like idiot?

By getalife

October 22, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl,

Markus is a truck driver who is not informed about anything.

The meth is talking for Markus.

By Aquagirl

October 22, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Markus, post all you want. I’m not for supressing your free speech, but it is rather ironic for someone to whine about liberals being the end of the family as we know it, as you spend a lot more time interacting with bloggers than anyone else. Post away. At least while you’re here, you’re not causing any harm to real human beings.

And if you don’t get the point that a conservative like Jim is raising questions about corporate givaways, you’re not a conservative, you’re just a hate filled freak.

A government givaway is a government giveaway. That it ends up being spent on some overpaid unionized assembly drone doesn’t make a bit of difference. If Kias are that great, then people will buy them. But don’t take people’s money at gunpoint and give it to a corporation.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute gitmolife-

Not even a month ago you said I was a burger flipper. Now I’ve gotten a promotion to being a truck driver. Can I get a raise next month to an airline pilot? Hey, I already know how to fly… I learned at 19. That was back in the days when we had TCAs and ARSAs instead of Class A,B,C, and D airspace (look it up, freak).

By Dusty

October 22, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl,

Marcus can speak for himself and I am not speaking for him..

I am speaking about the out-of-bounds limits you have stepped over with personal comments.

You know nothing about the family life of Marcus or anybody else on this blog. MYOB

You know nothing about the religious life or Marcus or anybody else on this blog. MYOB

You do not know anything about his children or what they do in school. MYOB

What Marcus expresses is no more hateful than the numerous hostile comments he receives. If you don’t like his comments, then stop commenting on them.

But I do like your name for liberals—-the CUT-N-RUNNERS. That’s a good one. But you missed it on the “hate party”. It isn’t Republicans, no matter how hard you try. That is SO obviously a left wing misanthrope that it is almost laughable.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl-

First of all, I want you to go back in the blog history and look at my post times, ESPECIALLY those during the weekdays, and those over the past four weekends, and tell me how much I have posted here relative to your ilk on the left (and all aliases).

Second, my supporting state taxes to jobs is my stance. We “neocons” don’t always agree with each other, although you liboloons on the left way we do. Exactly WHAT part of taxpayer dollars for jobs vs. giving to deadbeats with NO jobs do you not understand?

Third, I have never, EVER seen the government do a better job at providing jobs vs. corporations with regards to raw numbers here in America. If you can find a counter to that, I’m all ears sister.

By Aquagirl

October 22, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

My God, I’m gonna agree with you Markus. I can’t tell anything about you except what you choose to divulge here. But just by that, I can tell that:

Damn, you post a lot.

Damn, you post angry thoughts a lot, that don’t even show the ability to follow a rational pattern, like Jim’s. I may not agree with what he always says, but he doesn’t come off like a whacko.

Damn, it seems like every other post must include a comment about your TV’s, Ferrari’s huge house, high-paying job, Playmate wife, etc. Who are you trying to convince? It’s pretty rare for someone else here to do that. If you think everyone here is impressed, or buys that **, whatever. Keep posting. Fantasy is important to some people.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 22, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

What’s up with DebbieDolittle/Aquagirl? This same scold came here last week at 9 in the morning, jumped everybody about posting to a blog and then stayed right here for the whole entire day.

Is this something beyond the reasoning of an airhead?

Besides which, did the gay and transgendered parade get over early today, girl?

By getalife

October 22, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

macaca,

You posted you were a delivery man for Pizza Slut but I upgraded you to truck driver.

I was being nice.

Freakanoid.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Thank you Dusty-

One thing is for certain, to gain the wrath of liberals, one has to know one is doing something right… as in thinking right.

If liberals agreed with me, I’d know my ideology was flawed.

By Markus Eats Dawg SSHHIITT

October 22, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

Markus caught humping Dusty in back of Van. Police refuse to press charges, say no harm done, at least not with that equipment!

By Markus wants us to think he is a roman scholar

October 22, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

When in reality he is a fat litte greek boy play thing for the neo-cons.

By RW-(the original)

October 22, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

It occurs to me from Markus’ comment @ 5:43 that the AJC, NYTimes, SeeBS, etc. are actually good dependable sources. When in doubt take the opposite of what they say and it’s a safe bet you’ll be right.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Naw Taxes-

You see, asspirate liberals can blog all weekday and that’s ok. When a con like me actually has some FREE FREAKING TIME it’s that I’m “hogging the board.”

Just precisely the mentality of the horseass left I was referencing to when mentioning wanting to shut up the voice of opposition… like good little nazis.

By Aquagirl

October 22, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

Ooohhh…Dusty, you think I’m out of bounds? If Markus doesn’t want it’s life discussed, keep it off of the boards. And I should stop commenting on them? Uh, isn’t that the point of a blog? Duh. BTW, I made no comment as to what his children or family do, or it’s religious life. If it (or you) took it that way, and don’t like it…well, you don’t have to comment, right?

And hey, if Kevin Tillman is a cut-and-runner, so am I. If that’s what you want to call him, rah! After all, what’s in a name?

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

gitmolife-

Pizza Hut is for foreigners. I like New York Pizza Exchange. But thanks for the promotion.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl…

You are the libofreak that started getting personal. The proof is history above. Liberal FREAK.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

Now I’m a Greek! This is joyous entertainment from the feakozoid leftist libonazis to be sure.

By Markus

October 22, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Regarding Kevin Tilman, I read his letter. I wonder who at the New York Slimes paid him what.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 22, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

How about if we call him Cindy Tillman and you guys take him to that ditch in Crawford?

Freaking ghouls, bloodsuckers.

Users.

By Brian Curtis

October 23, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

“Tax incentives” are actually welfare for corporations… the only kind of welfare that so-called “conservatives” support.

Trust me, corporations don’t need any added favors from government. And they sure don’t intend to repay our “loyalty.” You might as well send your tax dollars to Al-Qaeda as give them to multinationals; they’ll do about the same level of damage to America.

By jbmlaw

October 23, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Good morning, all. Jim articulates the sound conservative view, opposing corporate welfare and disincentives. We understand the leftist economic theory motivating such direct financial incentives to corporations – more jobs, growth in the economy – but our respect for theory is tempered by the real world history, which is, “such incentives never pay for themselves.” The infrastructure problems that accompany such lures cost more than the benefits of the artificial growth.

On the other hand, a broad abolition of corporate income taxes would stimulate the economy far more than targeted “incentives.” Absence of a corporate income tax would put the state on the chart for companies that even the brightest bureaucrat would not think to contact. For companies already here, the competitive advantage over other states would make Georgia the first place to expand, and the last place to close. Coupled with the fact that only individuals pay all taxes anyway, there is no reason to not eliminate corporate income taxes.

I have not yet enjoyed an opportunity to review the comments preceding mine, but I look forward to the opportunity to discuss these with our friends on the blog today.

By harold

October 23, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

georgia has to bribe companies to locate here.

aint nothin’ else gonna get ‘em to.

By Chazman

October 23, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Morning jbmlaw. I must say I disagree with the beginning of your post.

Jim articulates the sound conservative view, opposing corporate welfare and disincentives. We understand the leftist economic theory motivating such direct financial incentives to corporations…

I don’t believe opposing corporate welfare is a sound conservative view. Nor do I believe these direct financial incentives is a leftist economic theory. Rather, I think it is the opposite. I think it you researched who is giving the incentives and tax breaks, it is the conservatives, keeping with their mindset of no or low taxes and doing whatever it takes to take care of big business. Am I wrong? I don’t think so. Look at the history. Conservatives trust big business with the kitchen sink (ie, voluntary regulations). Tax breaks used for incentives, to me, is just another way conservatives take care of big business. I may be wrong, but that’s my opinion.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

The plan — still officially under wraps — would be to isolate Iraqi guerrillas from al-Qaeda by offering an amnesty and a date for a US withdrawal, and to use the resistance’s highly sophisticated intelligence network to stamp out foreign Islamist fighters and criminal gangs.

Can you say flip flop?

By harold

October 23, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Anybody seen the ‘Osama is on our team now’ RNC commercials yet? Wow! Even Harold wouldn’t have thought they’d so openly admit they work with him to manufacture a need for themselves.

Swimming pool deaths have outpaced terrorism deaths in America 9 to 1 in the last ten years.

Hopefully the Democrats can keep our nation safe… from swimming pools.

By Southern Democrat

October 23, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Good morning, all, and I hope that you all had a safe and relaxing weekend.

I think that Jim has given us an excellent topic today where we can argue both sides and (maybe) make progress.

In my humble opinion, the need for U.S. states (particularly Southern) to lure auto and other manufacturers is a flashpoint for several ideological differences.

First, tax incentives are (again, in my opinion, I am not an economist) a bond offering without that pesky referendum in that they are providing a private entity the benefit of either real or amortized state dollars while the state is taking a conservative gamble that the project will pump more money into the economy than its initial cost.

Second, the need for heavy manufacturing plants in the U.S. is directly a result of the free trade policies of conservatives and moderate liberals. This is not a good or bad thing, just a fact. Thus, we are advocating free trade and removing state subsidies from quasi-socialist nations through the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, U.S.-Chile FTA, etc., while allowing our states to subsidize private companies! It seems like we are being nothing if not disingenuous.

Third, I am certainly no big fan of unions (PARTICULARLY in the education realm), but they remain the only way to ensure that heavy industry workers receive a fair wage for their skills (and a modicum of job security). Further, they (hopefully) ensure job safety. Is it more than just coincidence that as the rate of unionized coal mines in West Virginia has fallen from 96% to just under 35%, the number of fatal accidents has increased?

Fourth, one way to ensure that manufacturers continue build plants here is through maintaining a large pool of motivated workers. One way to do that is through increased legal immigration. Another is by joining the Kyoto Protocol, rapidly advancing carbon-emission saving technology, and hoarding carbon emission credits. Companies would be forced to either come to the U.S. and use our technology, lobby other nations to buy it from us, or cut production.

I look forward to discussing this topic with my friends on this blog… I think we can learn from one another on this one.

By @@

October 23, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Jim: Just dropped in to see if you presented a new topic. Before I leave, I have to admit that jbmlaw’s 8:38 post made me rethink my position on tax dollars being offered as incentives for business to locate in Georgia.

It’s the status-quo I think. Taxpayers often become comfortable in the way government operates at our expense, when innovative thinking is what’s required.

In my personal finances, I’m frugal, and spend wisely when I must. Why wouldn’t I require my state officials to do the same?

Pencil to paper, or #’s to screen please, I’m a visual learner. Maybe that’s my problem, politicians are mouths a-movin’, when MRIs or headshots would be more beneficial.

I’ll check back in to see what others have to say.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

October 23, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

For @@ & jbmlaw,

Lest we forget, there is a Republican Governor in Georgia who uses all the popular right wing bullet points when speaking in public.

I didn’t realize that incorporating “leftist economic theory” was part of his “sonnydo” list.

And how can we abolish corporate welfare anyway…the people that corporate America is appointing to run the country are obliged to return the favor. Corporate America loves tax breaks and welfare for themselves!

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 23, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Now it appears that voters are willing to turn over Congress to a party most of whose representatives voted against allowing the National Security Agency to surveil without a court order al-Qaida suspects when they place calls to persons in the United States and against allowing terrorist interrogations under rules supported by John McCain.-RealClearPolitics

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After just one year at UNCW this nice conservative Christian girl has turned into a pot-smoking, foul-mouthed, drunken slut. And that’s cause for celebration at the Diversity Office where kids are encouraged to discard their parents’ values in exchange for the philosophy of moral relativism.-TownHall

{^*^}

Young black men must be compelled to compete in the classroom if they are ever to achieve success in life. However, the only way public schools will be compelled to lift black men from the depths of academic despair is if they themselves are forced to compete with private schools. This can be achieved with school vouchers which would allow parents to put their children in schools that will hold them to higher standards in the classroom. Such policy has not taken off because teachers unions vehemently oppose vouchers. They recognize that vouchers would mean fewer teachers, fewer membership dues, the likely defections by public school personnel to privatized systems that have traditionally resisted centralized unionization, and the birth of competing collective bargaining entities. For the teachers’ unions, the idea of competition can only mean giving up leverage.-TownHall

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!“>http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/{DAA90D2A-8A9F-4CA1-B402-3893057AD3FE}.gif)

By getalife

October 23, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

“We tried to do our best, but I think there is much room for criticism because, undoubtedly, there was arrogance and there was stupidity from the United States in Iraq,” Alberto Fernandez, the director of public diplomacy at the department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, said. “We are open to dialogue because we all know that … the solution to the hell and the killings in Iraq is linked to an effective Iraqi national reconciliation.”

There will never be effective national reconciliation. Biden’s plan to divide Iraq may work.

By JK

October 23, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Q: What guarantee do we currently have that companies who receive “tax breaks” (welfare) in exchange for creating jobs or growing the economy here actually do either? A: None. Q: Whose job is it to follow up with companies receiving “tax breaks” to ensure that they have fulfilled their end of whatever bargain they struck, and to collect the missing revenue if they don’t? A: Nobody’s.

But go ahead and squawk about your tax dollars feeding or innoculating a poor child. Those execs whose pockets are lined with our hard-earned taxes deserve it much more, I’m sure.

By time for the truth

October 23, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

@ plastic spastic crapman

MOVING AFRIKANS RAPIDLY THROUGH ATLANTA

I recall you predicktably whined and bleated about this quite witty little “acronym’ I posted last week. Clearly I didn’t “invent or coin” it - in fact I heard it from Boortz himself about 10 years ago on the wireless in my car. I guess the first time you hear something like this is always special and elicits a huge smirk or a spot of unconfined hilarity. I sincerely hope that YOU also sniggered as loudly as I did when you first heard it.

I also recall you cretinously mentioned something about afriKan-ameriKans … I’m not sure what one of those is - I’ve never seen one anywhere. Was that a clumsy and moronic politically correct leftist description of black Americans?

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 23, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Ooops:

Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By Van

October 23, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Hmmm, interesting, giving tax breaks and incentives to urge a corporation to build a plant in Georgia is called corporate welfare.

I thought it was called “Doing Business”. Corporations offer price breaks or discounts all the time.

Another thing, if the state gives a tax break to business, it costs nothing. It just means less revenue or delayed revenue coming in.

By Brian Curtis

October 23, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

JK and Cherry Picker have nailed it. Doing “favors” for corporations, who have already declared they have no intention of repaying them or any particular obligation to do so, is simply a stupid use of our money.

It’s also 100% predictable, since our lawmakers only listen to the special-interest groups that put them there.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

2.)Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. We are now a torturing police state: Bush signing into law that will get rid of habeas corpus, allow hearsay evidence, and allow the President to determine what is allowable torture. Bush Offers Himself Amnesty for Human Rights Crimes Bush threatens to veto $442b defense bill if Congress investigates detainee abuses. Guantanamo Judge: “I don’t care about international law. I don’t want to hear the words ‘international law’ again. We are not concerned with international law.” Rumsfeld to approve new guidelines that will formalize the administration’s policy of imprisoning without the protections of the Geneva Conventions and enable the Pentagon to legally hold “ghost detainees,”
US ‘preparing to detain terror suspects for life without trial’ U.S. oks evidence gained through torture July 1, 2003: U.S. Suspends Military Aid to Nearly 50 Countries: because they have supported the International Criminal Court and failed to exempt Americans from possible prosecution. US has at least 9000 prisoners in secret detention

Yes, you are cheering on fascism.

Amazing.

By JK

October 23, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, apparently we missed Van’s very astute observation:

Corporations offer price breaks or discounts all the time.

OH! Well then, that changes everything! I’m sure since we working folks have to pay the taxes that are not collected from corporations, in order to ensure the state’s treasury is adequately supplied, then WE’ll be getting discounts and price breaks from our favorite corporations, right?

By Chazman

October 23, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Time For The Trash…..I too heard this “acronym” many, many years ago. It’s old. Did you see anything in my post where I stated I had not ever heard it before?

What difference does it make how old it is? You could also use the “N” word in public. If you did, would you say, “Hey, I didn’t invent it or coin it. I heard somebody else use it. I think I heard Boortz use it.” Would that make it alright to use? One persons “witty little acronym” may be a racist statement to another person. The reason I take it as a racist statement is because you stated the “slavishly” remark was vile, so surely you would feel the same way about your statement.

I’m glad to hear the first time you hear something like this, something that I’m sure would not be a welcomed “acronym” to this minority group, it feels special to you and elicited a huge smirk, not to mention unconfined hilarity. (why doesn’t that surprise me!)

I got an idea. Why don’t you go get on a MARTA train or bus, and loudly proclaim your acronym. See what the riders think about it. If it’s as innocent, as witty, as hilarious as you think it is, then you want have anything to worry about. But if you are wrong about what others perseive in your acronym, well,…….maybe I WOULD like to see that!

By Aquagirl

October 23, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Welfare is welfare, no matter how you dress it up. Calling it “corporate tax breaks” or “doing business” doesn’t change the fact that it’s giving a preferential economic advantage to an entity.

There are thousands of very productive businesses in Georgia that don’t get the tax breaks or incentives offered to say, the Kia plant. Having the State give preferential treatment to anyone isn’t a good idea in the long run.

By harold

October 23, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Since the RNC has adopted Bin Laden as their poster boy / mascot, Harold wonders if he would get kicked out of the polling place on elections day if he wore a t-shirt displaying a picture of Bin Laden? That would sure be embarrassing for the RNC after it made the national news wouldn’t it. They are not so bright.

By JK

October 23, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

There are thousands of very productive businesses in Georgia that don’t get the tax breaks or incentives offered to say, the Kia plant.

Aquagirl, great point! I think small businesses are the backbone of this country, yet it’s harder and harder for them to make it. Why? Righties tend to point the finger at the government: taxes, regulations, etc. But this is the same government that gives preferential treatment to BIG corporations… Why? Looks like the big donors, industry lobbyists, and backroom state-government deals really ARE the problem.

Could it be that “free” enterprise (if you’re big enough) is what’s squashing “free” enterprise for everyone else? Hmm….

By time for the truth

October 23, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

plastic spastic crapman

FREAKING HILARIOUS response … and SOOOOOOOOO predicktable… I played you like a cheap violin bubbaturd. STILL LMFAO!

equating this witticism with the n word is pathetic and contemptible. nor did I suggest or infer/imply you ever said anything about how old is was/wasn’t.

I could care less what any lefty has to say about this - or anything really. Boortz uses this regularly enough on the wireless -he’d be fired for racism if it really amounted to racism. Its just an amusing harmless little dig at Atlanta and MARTA … grow up FFS and getalife!!

I stated the “slavish” remark was vile to have make the point that liberal scum are extremely hypocrtical and very selective in their outrage and bigotry … they select Republicans for their outrage but rarely if ever upbraid fellow liberal scum when they indulge in (anti-black) bigotry.

I dont use MARTA because the danger of being mugged or robbed by poorly educated folks listening to hippetty hop musak is much too high, also I also dont want to catch TB or some other nasty highly contagious disease that some impoverished third world type will cough up all over the train carriage or bus.

Not sure what a “rider” is … other than jeans made by Lee … did you mean passengers?

By Some people change

October 23, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Aquagirl, why do you waste your time trying to compete with these men who are just having a peeing contest? I am sure you were a nice person at one time. Some guy p** you off??

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 23, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Luckovich’s Blog: Git em up, git em up, gone!

Too close to the elections to be letting Conservatives roam free in that cesspool of liberalism.

Got to put a lid on it.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

The most popular costume this Halloween is bin Laden.

Put on this costume and knock on some wingnut doors.

Should be fun!

By harold

October 23, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Somebody said “I dont use MARTA because the danger of being mugged or robbed by poorly educated folks “

Ignorant fool! Your chances of being injured and/or killed while driving your own car FAR FAR FAR exceed the danger from crime on public transit.

So, that fear is totally irrational and you’re either just dumb or you just plain don’t like public transit for some other reason. Hmmm wonder what that coudl be.

Every day on the news you see about somebody killed in their cars. OFten its multiple people. It barely gets a mention. BUt if somebody gets killed within 5 blocks of a Marta station it’s headline news on all the stations! WHy? Because all the commericals are for CARS, you dumbtard!

By Van

October 23, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

If doing favors to a big corporation creates jobs and brings other business to Georgia or causes more business starts in Georgia, where is the down side?

That $160,000 per employee will be repaid may times over in new income taxes collected not to memtion, those employees drive cars - gas taxes, go to lunch, new businesses - taxes and personal income tax.

Re: incentives. This is part of everyday business and also in our personal lives. Ever hear of group ticket pricing? Take a church group, a Boy Scout troop or sponsor a day at Six Flags, and there are incentives for volume.

Go price a single ream of printer paper at a office suppy store - now price a case, pallet or more of paper - same price, no, there is an incentive to buy larger quantities.

Want to create jobs? Offer incentives to a large company to locate here in Georgia.

By Aquagirl

October 23, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Uh, do what? There are some actual intelligent conversations here today. Aside from the usual, er, peeing contests, of course, but they’re just kinda sidebars right now.

But it’s still early. :)

By OR, we could....

October 23, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Encourage the people of this state to be successful!! Offer incentives for citizens to operate small businesses in their local communities right here in Georgia, instead of taxing them to death while giving tax breaks to big, wally-world corporations who crush them! THEN we might have an ACTUAL, competitive, free market around here, and more people taking responsibility for their own piece of the American dream. Just a thought.

By time for the truth

October 23, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

time for the truth thanks harold for yet again being so BLOODY EASY to reel in with a huge moronic bite witlessly supporting Moving AfriKans Rapidly Through Atlanta!!

By Aquagirl

October 23, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

The down side to doing favors to a big business—

First, which big businesses get the breaks? Does Honda get a better offer than Kia? Or Ford? Or Coca-Cola?

And why be preferential to any business? If a small business has to pay certain taxes and gets no help, then you shouldn’t offer that to a bigger business. Check out the Wal-Mart syndrome. Wal-Mart makes big campaign contributions, and that plays a part in them being located pretty much where they want to be.

I’ll agree with Van’s point that it may generate more business, but so would just giving out money randomly to other businesses. I wouldn’t mind seeing Federal legislation to address the issue of these insane “bidding wars” between the states. So, one solution is to level the playing field…nobody can offer bribes. That would be a tricky piece of legislation, though.

By Frank Lee

October 23, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

It sure looks like a lot of liberals here are in desperate need of government support.

Private business can offer much more with or without the government’s help. Giving them larger incentives to do more makes good sense.

“The high level of corporate giving is explained in part by two years of very strong growth in gross domestic product and by growth in corporate profits before taxes.”

Pharmaceutical companies donate billions in drug giveaways.

How much do the dem takers give? Zero in my opinion.

By Curious Observer

October 23, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

It’s good to see that the resident anarchist and the expatriate English queen are still ranting.

So Alabama residents are going to benefit greatly from jobs made possible by Georgia’s largesse. And the tax credits are going to help direct profits to South Korea, while our own auto industry continues to die.

That’s a neocon for you—forget about what’s good for the state or the country; rather, let’s have state-subsidized competition, particularly if it’s going to line my pocket with lucre. Let’s ship the future jobs of our kids overseas; let’s bring in foreign workers, because they will work cheaper.

The real winners in this Kia deal are the usual suspects: the fat-cat investors so fawned over by the neocons. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be called upon to pony up the shortfall when the state’s books no longer balance. But then, maybe we can forestall the inevitable by cutting a few thousand more kids off health insurance coverage or confiscating the houses of elderly poor people who must rely on Medicaid for nursing home coverage.

Your turn in the barrel is coming, fascists.

By harold

October 23, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

troof thinks those airbags in his car will keep him safe

no they just make you a teensy bit less unsafe while you particupate in the most dangerous activity most people ever do. and for some reason they do it several times a day, tempting fate.

after you drop your 4 year old out the car door and your spouse in a separate car runs him over, maybe you will rethink your car obsession? nah. nobody will rethink it. too many commericals say cars is great and make you sexy.

By harold

October 23, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

and one more thing TROOF

your ‘moving afrikans rapidly through atlanta’ is entirely inapppropriet

that is sOoooo 1980s

it is MAASTA now: “moving afrikan americans slowly through atlanta”

By Then again.....

October 23, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Pharmaceutical companies donate billions in drug giveaways.

Then again, pharmaceutical companies spend billions on advertising to make us think we need drugs we don’t need, or wouldn’t need if we’d get our fat tails off the sofa, get some exercise, and quit eating garbage. But they’d RATHER we stay glued to the TV until it’s time to stand in line at Eckerds to control our blood pressure, lower our cholesterol, medicate our issues instead of facing them, or fabricate our erections.

Pharmaceutical companies also spend billions on lobbying (owning) our legislature to keep prices high, and to keep alternative methods of treatment unavailable for Americans to choose.

By harold

October 23, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

harold wonders what if georgia had put that $400 million into a public transit system instead? that would’ve benefitted us a lot more than a plant for a korean company to make cars at. whose land was that anyway?

By Van

October 23, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

OR, we could…,

I think that is referred to a “Small Business Loans”, a federal program if I am not mistaken.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sixty five active duty service members are officially asking Congress to end the war in Iraq — the first time active troops have done so since U.S. invasion began in 2003.

Three of the service members will hold a press conference Wednesday explaining their decision to send “Appeals for Redress” under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act to their members of Congress. Under the act, National Guard and Reservists can send communications about any subject to their member of Congress without punishment.

Support the troops!

By Macon bacon

October 23, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Georgia ponies up $$$ for Kia because in the long run the state will benefit. Solid long term skilled jobs. Think of it as an investment. But incentives for smaller businesses would also pay off. Tax breaks aren’t just for the big guys.

I understand that Luckovich unplugged his blog because he’s the spineless sentimental type. He’s feeling sorry for all the looney neocons there, and he’s tired of watching them constantly having their spleens ripped out over Bush and Iraq. Wimp.

By Roy Bean

October 23, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

JBMlaw wrote that, “Jim articulates the sound conservative view”. That’s Redundant. This blog is entitled: “Thinking Right”. Also, “Articulate”, implies an oral presentation when this is a written blog. Finally, “Sound Conservative”, is an oxymoronic paradox describing a self-contradictory and ambivalent dichotomy. (unless it’s not).

JBMlaw went on bravely with this: “The infrastructure problems that accompany such lures cost more than the benefits of artificial growth.” The problem here is with the faulty premise and the use of circular logic. (Conclusion in the premise). The fact is that infrastructure upgrades always generate economic growth. Period.

A Kia plant is real, not artificial growth. The regional returns on a Kia plant will pay for the state’s original investment many times over in the ensuing decades. That’s a historically-based fact about growth projections .

Everyone knows that States need only put in roads and power grids in order to make the economy grow. (Okay, a sewer line and a waffle house, too, but then you’re done and then you watch the people build and come around and buy stuff and have babies and drive around flipping each other off.) Caution: when the babies start flipping each other off, you’ve overdeveloped, and need to reverse the tax codification which is the only cogent codicile to coddling toddlers.

Jbmlaw would make a great lawyer. The more successful lawyer’s thoughts on paper cant be deciphered, (not even by other lawyers), that’s why they win.

I strongly urge jbmlaw to consider law school.

I’m Judge Roy Bean, a writer, and all my sentences end in someone being hanged. (dangling participles are my legacy - if you dont want to be one, then STFU!)

By Van

October 23, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

Just curious myself, Are not new jobs important for this area? Does that not benefit all of us?

Ford and GM are shutting down their plants because they were not profitable, Kia will give some of those workers an opportunity at a new job.

Of course the socialists believe all jobs should come from Uncle Sam and not foreign or Us based companies, they demand a living wage, but when a company comes in paying more than a living wage, they complain. They think the government should provide healthcare, but when a large company offeres or gives its employees those benefits, the leftiees complain.

It strikes me, that the lefties want it both ways, jobs for everyone, but not from large corporations that will employ thousands. They want cheap healthcare, but they whine about healthcare companies making a living wage.

No wonder the left is lossing its grip on the working folks, they offer nothing but hot smelly air.

By harold

October 23, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

ajc is running a story right now touting how much “safer” cars are than public transit.

Around metro Altanta reportedly there is one crash every 2 minutes 48 seconds.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2006/10/20/1021metcrash.html

How does the subway compare, Troof?

By Aquagirl

October 23, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Van, since I’ve been characterized as a leftie loony (and worse) I’ll throw out a couple of points.

If Kia wants to move here, I’m all in favor of that. And more to the point, it’s a free country (I think) as long as they are a legal business, they have the right to do so. Please, bring more jobs, pay workers whatever you want (even below minimum wage, why should anyone tell them what to pay a worker?) offer health care (or not, your pick) run your business as you like.

What I’m concerned about is the government offering them tax breaks and “incentives” with my money. It’s govenment favoring one business over another, and that is inherently contrary to free enterprise.

By Chazman

October 23, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Not sure what a “rider” is … other than jeans made by Lee … did you mean passengers?

Time For The Trash…..are you just plain dumb, or what?

And that plastic spastic crapman is cute. A little juvenile, but cute.

By Brian Curtis

October 23, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl: The secret is that so-called “free market” proponents actually don’t WANT free enterprise. In fact, they hate competition. That’s why they staunchly support anything that throws more money to the biggest and most influential corporations, who in turn write legislation that does them even more favors.

Look down from the screen, folks; unless your body has central air, floodlights, and a parking lot, you’re on the wrong side of this debate if you support doing more favors for corporations.

By What you've got

October 23, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Corporate States of America. To Halliburton, Smith-Klein-Wellcome, and the massive Insurance Lobby, with fixed pricing, no-bid contracts, import restrictions, and government favors for the few.

By jbmlaw

October 23, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon Chazman @ 9:39, my apologies for slow response. As I read your note, you and I agree with Jim, that direct financial incentives to corporations are antithetical to the public interest and should be terminated. The only place we disagree is over who should be blamed for a bad idea. I am comfortable with my belief that incentives did not arise with the conservative ascendancy, and I share your disappointment that Georgia continues to play that game under a purportedly-conservative governor. Reading through other intelligent postings today – Southern Democrat @ 10:01 is a great example - I think this may be an area where true conservatives and leftists can agree. Of course, I think this is an area where we have all agreed for forty years, without progress. I noticed somebody – cannot find it now - parroted Dr. Walter E. Williams’ proposal, that “no subsidy check should be sent to anyone, unless the same amount is sent to everyone.” Good idea – the only losers would be those already on the dole.

To pursue one cheap joke, @@ @ 10:07 correlates head shots and politicians, and that sounds like a good idea to me. I remember reading a clever British line that argued every district should be small enough that every politician is close enough that you can hit them with a rock.

By jbmlaw

October 23, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Poor Roy @ 12:11 obviously did not enjoy an opportunity for a sound undergraduate experience, such as Vandy. Although I attempted to highlight for Roy the dichotomy of “sound” and “unsound” conservative views on the subject, otherwise fully displayed within this topic on the blog, he remains oblivious. He should have learned as an undergraduate that “articulate” is more than an implication of an oral-only communication. The political commentary – arguing that “sound” cannot coexist with “conservative” – reflects the true depth of Roy’s background; my regrets, I would not wish that intellectual limitation on anyone. I note Roy goes on with his economic theory: “The fact is that infrastructure upgrades always generate economic growth. Period.“ Ergo, “if you build it they will come.” Sounds like treatise material to me. You clearly enjoy a Keynesian background. And after those highlights Roy degenerated into ad hominems. Suggestion, Roy: don’t try this with anyone who has a pulse.

By Van

October 23, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl,

“What I’m concerned about is the government offering them tax breaks and “incentives” with my money. It’s govenment favoring one business over another, and that is inherently contrary to free enterprise.”

Hmm, Some of your money is being used to make it attractive for Kia build in Georgia.

Some of the incentives are tax breaks, how much of your money is invested in their tax bill? If they get a 50% reduced tax bill, (I have no idea how much was granted or offered to them, this is just for example) how much of it comes out of your pocket?

How is your feeling different when Marta offers your downtown company a discount(welfare again) for a monthly card? How do you feel when a developer offers floored in loads at below market rate to attract buyers? This is a form of welfare to people that waht to buy a house. How do you feel about manufacturer discounts when you buy a car - another form of welfare to you. How do you feel when at the movies, they offer a discount or incentive by offering a cheaper price when you buy the pop corn and Coke together?

All these forms of welfare are okay, because it is us.

I guess it all depends on who gets the benefit, whether it is the state, a company or an individule.

By harold

October 23, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

where’d troof go? it doesnt take that long to figure out that once again none of the missed connections were for you!

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders

Getalife,

You have finally gone of the deep end with your 10:38 post. You think that Bush is using his “Fascist cronies” to steal coal from the coal mines??

What’s he going to do with it - put it in your Christmas stocking?

By getalife

October 23, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Bi Nazi,

The 8 billion missing in Iraq along with the 500 million stolen by the Iraqis is what I am talking about.

Of course, as a good little Nazi fascist like yourself, you could give a crap about them stealing your tax money.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Oh really? Then why did YOU post this:?

President George W. Bush appointed former energy executive Richard Stickler to head the federal mine safety agency on Thursday, even though the U.S. Senate rejected Stickler’s nomination twice in two months.

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IRAQ, FASCISM OR MISSPENT TAX DOLLARS?

I look forward to your moonbat explanation.

By RE

October 23, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

ANyone looking for what the Dems are planning to do can look here

Someone kept talking aout raising your taxes, how about instead a 10% cap for everyone making less than 100k/ year

Seems like a good plan

By harold

October 23, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Harold heard John Mark Karr would be running for office on the Republican ticket!

HAR HAR HAR HAROLD, NOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

RE,

How about a 10% cap on everyone? What happens if you have the misfortune to earn $100,001? What rate do you suggest people who earned too much be punished with? What incentives do you think this will provide people to work hard? I’m coming up with “zippo”. How about you?

Or better yet, how about replacing the income tax with the Fair Tax and we could stop with all this nonsense for once and for all.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 23, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

By RE October 23, 2006 02:47 PM ANyone looking for what the Dems are planning to do can look here. Someone kept talking aout raising your taxes, how about instead a 10% cap for everyone making less than 100k/ year. Seems like a good plan.

RE: Considering that most people that earn under 100 large don’t pay taxes anyway, a 10% “cap” would be a hike, wouldn’t it?

By getalife

October 23, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

BD,

It is #13 on your list.

Clink on the blue text, it is a link to your list.

By RE

October 23, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

I know I made a little under 100k last year and paid about 18% after all deductions. for me, 10% would be a nice break

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

WTF are you talking about? I don’t have a list - you do - just like a good block watcher.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

RE,

How about we through the whole thing right out the window and start over?

What incentive will you have to earn one cent more than $100,000 with YOUR plan?

By Brian Curtis

October 23, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Gosh, RE, BDanish is right. What a nightmarish world you propose, where no one would have the “incentive” to earn millions of dollars!

Other than, you know, the appeal of actually having millions of dollars. But surely that wouldn’t make up for the specter of—gasp!—a higher tax rate.

You can tell Halloween (or Easter) is coming when all the far-right fools get twitchy about the Tax Boogeyman. Dress up as a 1040 form this weekend—scare a neocon to DEATH!

By Bemused Humanist

October 23, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten;

I realize this is Economics, but why not go the next step and posit the question about the nature of SOCIAL GOODS? Especially as that concept applies to the “several states”? If jbmlaw and the other conservative intellectuals on this blog would like, maybe we could trade equations? I am more than a little out-of-date on this issue, but I have a vintage copy of the Musgrave’s’ “Public Finance in Theory and Practice,” which should suffice, especially at this level.

While we are at it, I realize that your commitment to free speech is near absolute, but the plain truth is that anyone who has to crib their insults from half-bright vulgarians like Rush and Coulter (e.g. “feminazis”) needs to be cuffed on the brain for their essential ignorance of Insult Literature.

Try this, from the Bard, in Henry IV (2):

“You scullion! You rampallian! You fustiliarian! I tickle your catastrophe!”

By RE

October 23, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

because it is more money.

Do you really think that somehow people will stop trying to make more money because they are taxed more? Besides you are taxed at 10% of the first 100k, then a different rate at the amounts over 100k.

for tax info

By JK

October 23, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Dear We’re Going to blow smoke up your butt:

Regarding your 2:57, in what parallel universe do middle class people like me (Under $100K a year) NOT pay freaking taxes? Is there a special accounting firm you have access to if you join the Republican Party or something? No WONDER I’m so ticked off! I’m the only one under $100K paying taxes! WOW, thanks for the enlightenment!

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Brainless Curtis,

I know this is probably not within your reach since you are a dunce, but IF you managed to make $100,001, which would put you over REs Utopian $100G level, how much do you think that one dollar would end up costing you?

Let’s say the rate went from 10% to 12% (an unlikely scenario as it would end up being much higher, but let’s use 12% for the sake of argument).

If you made one dollar over $100,000 you tax bill would be $12,000, netting you $88,001. On the other hand if you made $100,000 even your tax bill would be $10,000 netting you $90,000.

Does that make sense to you? Sound fair? Good incentive for Americans to be productive?

By getalife

October 23, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Try to keep up BD.

This list I posted several times

You gullible wingnuts are not too bright.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

RE,

I’m following your mythological plan were you get taxed at a flat 10% as long as you don’t make the mistake of earning more than $100,000, not what the IRS guidelines now provide for.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

What’s your point? You’re linking to a paranoid moonbat site that is trying to make PNAC out to be a fascist group.

I don’t belong to POAC or PNAC. I’m still waiting for the connection to the Mine Safety appointee and your Moonbat fantasies that we are planning a Fascist State.

Dig deep Getalife.

By RE

October 23, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Not a flat tax of 10%, a 10% cap. Above 100k you would be taxed at a different rate for amounts over 100k.

Ex. you make 125k in a year

You will be taxed a max of 10% on the first 100k, than another rate on the remaining 25k. so your tax would be $10,000 + (25k X x%)

By RE

October 23, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

“Most” so greater than 50% of all people making under 100k do not pay taxes? You may want to check your numbers again

By JK

October 23, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

No, our math teacher will NOT check his numbers again. He’s already started to cry. It’s time for his juice and a nap.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

BD,

You are slower than I thought.

13.)Rampant Cronyism

That is my point.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Andy is getting his numbers from a drug addicted Rush.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Here is another example of #13 BD.

Pentagon Report Cites Cronyism & Iraq in Katrina Mishap

Dig into that.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Rush hits a new low

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 23, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

1) I qualified my statement with most, deal with it 2) I haven’t earned under 100K a year in quite sometime, so I’m not an expert on the subject, blow me 3) if any of you suckers think the democrats are going to cut you some slack come tax time, then you really truly are idiots.

These are the same bloodsuckers that freaked out when Bush dropped the rate 3%.

Pinkos LIVE off of your money.

By JK

October 23, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

It’s a statistics trick. Only a certain percentage of those making under $100K pay taxes, as “Under $100K” incorporates all those who make $5K, $10K, $15K, and $20K. He’s lumping those in with the $60K and $80K earners, who do most CERTAINLY pay a sh-tload of taxes, since we can’t afford the “shelters” and Cayman Island bank accounts that the Lay, Skilling, and Cheney families can. He’s using this broad inclusion of income ranges to make you think he’s SOOOOOOOO smart with his one little stat he keeps defending, but there’s no point attached, and it makes no difference to those of us whose cost of living rises faster than our income, while Gov. Sonny cuts tax breaks to FOREIGN companies, and of course, to himself.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Another Halloween costume idea

Mark Foley is pretty scary.

By RE

October 23, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Andy, just like our president, can never admit when he is wrong. No matter how you present it, he cannot own up to a mistake, he instead insults and tries to scare you with unsubstantiated statements. You should have been in the White House. You would fit in perfectly

By Sailor

October 23, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Andie has been cranky this last month. It’s hormonal. It seems like here lately she’s always on the rag. Thank God she always keeps her appetite.

By RE

October 23, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Like I said, most

40%= most

hmmmm

By RE

October 23, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Bush Am. Research Oct 23 Approve 36%, Disapprove 58%

See “most” people approve of the president

DeKalb County 2000 census: 36% white 54% black

“most” people in DeKalb county are white

By Markus

October 23, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Raise Taxes-

I haven’t heard about that stat that 42.5 million tax returns had no liability and even “refunds” to those who paid no income tax to begin with.

That said, I’d like to investigate this story further. Liberals don’t like right-wing links like NewsMax, which is why I tend to avoid them. I’ll research this a little deeper and post what I come up with later in the week. I’m about sick and tired of the neocommunist liberals complaining about only “rich” people getting benefits from tax cuts.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 23, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

By Sailor October 23, 2006 05:17 PM Andie has been cranky this last month. It’s hormonal. It seems like here lately she’s always on the rag. Thank God she always keeps her appetite.

Political Foreskin: Let’s try this again slowly. I am a true Conservative which means I don’t swing on a limb like you do. That’s real nice that you’re sweet on me but I can’t help you.

Maybe rednekkks will be along soon.

By Markus

October 23, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Let’s talk about doing no wrong, shall we? The Jackass Party supports and ex-Klansman, an intern manslaughterer, a rapist and womanizer and liar under oath, a man who stole classified 9/11 intel documents from the National Archives, a man in Louisiana who hid over $90,000 in undisclosed cash in his freezer, and a man who made an obscene amoun of money in a Las Vegas land deal on land he hadn’t owned in years and didn’t report it to Congress.

Yeah, you jackhole liberals are the epitome of honesty, aren’tcha? Tin hat Democrit idiots.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 23, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

I should have known better than to go off into the pinko’s realm of expertise, federal tax collection. These liberals get horny thinking about other people working to earn their living for them.

Conservatives go to D.C. to visit the museums and war memorials, libs go there to see the IRS compound.

Alright, I swear I will never again use sarcasm with such a serious subject to y’all as this one must be. Jeez, it isn’t like anyone is going to cut into your entitlements.

Amend my statement to say a lot of people don’t pay taxes.

By Markus

October 23, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Ha! Republican opponent to Hitllary allegedly called her “ugly” to a reporter off the record. I don’t believe this at all, and I sure as hell don’t trust reporters these days, especially those coming out of Commie Columbia School Of Journalism.

I don’t see a problem with the comment. Even if he didn’t say it, it’s true from my viewpoint. Some other liberal Democrit women who got hit over the head with the ugly shovel:

Nancy Pelosi (Mesussa) Helen Thomas (old dried up walrus) Rosie O’Donnell (plain old pig) Natalie Maines (“little troll face”) Barbara Streisand (THE nose) Barbara Boxer (the boxer, as in the breed)

Being ugly on the inside transcends all bounds… even skin.

By RE

October 23, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

intern manslaughterer?

I thought Joe Scarborough was a republican.

By bon scott

October 23, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Andy (bless his frozen heart) thinks the economy’s doing fantastic because the Dow’s up and the unemployment rate’s down. He thinks Bush’s blue smoke and mirror fiscal policy is making everyone rich, so they’ll vote Republican next week.

Andy credits all this bounty to Bush’s tax cuts. Surprise! There’s no bounty!! Your typical American has opened the gift, and discovered that the box is empty.

Numbers are nice, but what we have in our bank accounts is far more important. Obviously, the cost of living is rising faster than expenses in most homes, the major reason why the nation’s savings rate is a big fat zero. Voters will be looking in their wallets and purses. When they do, the choice is clear.

Here’s more:

Health care, wages, energy costs put squeeze on middle class

Ouch!! Read it and weep.

People are rightfully disgusted with Iraq and the mismanagement of the war on terror. That should also be outraged at the systematic plundering of the economy.

Vote the GOPervs out on November 7.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

THIS is the sentence from your idiotic link that I am referring to:

“It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.”

THAT is why I asked you if you thought that Bush planned on stealing Coal.

Got that?

By Markus

October 23, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

My fellow Republicans and Conservatives-

Stay tuned in the next few weeks. If the Socialist Party of the RAT gets power in Congress, I will be posting a bonafide way to put your money (legally) where these asspirate Stalinist-wannabe wallet thiefs on the horseass left can’t get to it.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I loved the part of RE’s link to the Big Democrat Plan that called for compulsory community service.

I bet they are licking their chops over the idea of the huge MoFo bureaucracy which would need to be created to administer this great pinko plan to manage 3 months of service for hundreds of millions of Americans.

I wonder how much they’d pay the person who has to round up the crackheads to do their time serving America?

By Markus

October 23, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

RE-

“I thought Joe Scarborough was a republican.”

Try natural heart defect. You liberal lying sacks of dung lied about that too and tried to make up some conspiracy BS. Pathetic sewage.

By getalife

October 23, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

My goodness.

The right is very angry.

I guess they figured out they have been used and abused.

Go ahead and admit you were wrong like Andy.

By Buy Danish

October 23, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

Sybil Bon Finchie,

I’m sorry that you’re in such bad straights.

Here’s a thought for your many personalities:

Maybe if the Federal government didn’t tax savings we might be inclined to save more. You Democrat pickpockets think you are entitled to a piece of everything we earn -and then want a piece of the interest we earn on our savings.

Because of the Dems punitive policies, there is no point putting anything in savings other than 401 K/403 B plans or straight into investments (if there’s anything left over after one’s paycheck has been confiscated).

By Markus

October 23, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

Let’s see-

Allocate taxpayer dollars to an organization that will create thousands of new jobs both directly and indirectly related, or continuing to allocate taxpayer dollars to bullsheet like national arts, public gubment edumacation, public transportation inefficient (and unsafe) hellholes like MARTA, and to society deadbeats who won’t get a job or who breed to get more taxpayer dollars.

Gee, that’s a REAL TUFF ONE.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 23, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

Markus: This will help your research.

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