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DEL.ICIO.USBlacks and Hispanics together politically?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Most likely, it’s nothing more than an election-seaon “what if” speech by a nostalgic old guy who longs for the spirit, intensity and power of days gone by. But the Rev. Joseph E. Lowery’s plea at a luncheon celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month for blacks and Latinos to join forces does warrant notice.
What the two have in common is that both are significant minority blocs in this country. Significant numbers of both, too, have not yet joined the middle class. In a crowd of whites, each would most likely be recognizable by skin color. Both could point, too, to discrimination as a shared concern. Other common interests, concerns and characteristic may exist as well.
But by and large, it’s not a natural fit. Take preferences in admissions, hiring and contracting, for example. One minority’s ancestors suffered government-sanctioned or directed discrimination. Lowery’s generation therefore could make a legitimate claim to government preferences as compensation. But no Hispanic has ever been in that position and therefore has no legitimate claim to go to the head of the line. Too, the workforce in many industries, like agriculture, landscaping and construction, is becoming heavily Hispanic. As with the minimum-wage, those who start on the bottom don’t stay on the bottom. They gain skills and move up. They become contractors and then owners. Unless the government presumes to further segment preferences so that some jobs are held aside for different minorities, a willingness to work undesirable jobs to acquire the skills to move up will determine which minority gains advantage.
And there is, furthermore, the reality that blacks are spread over the economic spectrum and there’s no reason to think that the suit-wearers have any more in common politically with the lettuce-pickers than they would if they were all white, all Hispanic or all black. Nope. Interesting suggestion on the surface. But I don’t see it happening.
Comments
By Dusty
October 12, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
Why doesn’t Lowery plead for Americans to work together as ONE? If Americans are going to think of themselves as equal in all rights, then let us ACT like it. Calling for preferences or “working together” by skin color does not demand equality.
If inequality raises its ugly head, then attack the exact cause, not some nebulous nightmare from long gone whose battles have already been fought. Times change.
Move for advancement of ALL Americans and we ALL move ahead together.
By CJ
October 12, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this
Blacks and Latinos have much in common in that the current power structure enacts and maintains policies that place obstacles in the path of upward mobility:
—Regressive taxes such as sales taxes and payroll taxes resulting in, by definition, households in middle and bottom income levels paying a larger percentage of their incomes in such taxes than those at the top.
—Tax rates on income from work are significantly higher than tax rates on other sources of income (ex: investments and inheritances), also resulting in middle and lower income households paying a larger portion of their incomes in taxes.
—A Bush appointee recently directed the IRS to lay-off investigators who were investigating tax fraud by inheritance income earners and hire investigators to go after tax fraud by households taking the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). The EITC is a tax credit for the working poor intended to offset some of the regressive taxes mentioned above. It’s also meant to give low-income households more of an opportunity to move out of poverty.
—While the Republican Party works to build an ineffective wall along the southern border (another gift to a corporate interest that will be responsible for building the wall), they refuse to enforce hiring laws against big business or increase the number of work visas for Mexicans. The result is that families risk their lives to come here, some of whom die in the desert or in the back of a hot trailer in the process, to work for low wages in unsafe working conditions. Republican efforts to solve this problem are, in reality, efforts to maintain the status quo. People should also understand that many undocumented workers provide fake SS numbers to get a job. So contrary to the Republican myth, many or most DO have taxes withheld from their paychecks. They just don’t file tax returns at the end of the year in order to get refunds that the rest of us might be able to collect.
This list only scratches the surface. Republican policies work specifically in favor of the upper class while also working to shrink the middle class and keep those at lower-income levels exactly where they are. Since low-income workers are disproportionately black and Latino, then yes — these groups have much in common.
By @@
October 12, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
Jim: Nothing is more discouraging to me than the Joseph Lowery’s of this country, but then discouragement is his business.
Whether it’s politically correct or not, success is cultural and has nothing to do with skin color. It’s time to face that reality if we’re going to move this country forward. It’s time to be a “collective” society, not a “selective” society.
By jbmlaw
October 12, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. I’m always amazed to see people willingly subordinate personal best interest into a group identity; that is contrary to my libertarian instincts. That personal subordination is not always evil – I note the examples of military service, or those who dedicate themselves to charitable or religious efforts.
Such a subordination as that proposed by Reverend Lowery, in order to magnify political power or to subjugate political opponents, is obnoxious. We have no laws requiring people to behave intelligently or honorably, so we will suffer quietly the crass suggestions as that of the good Reverend.
By jbmlaw
October 12, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
CJ would use the government as a tool to punish, rather than as a tool to ensure freedom. How obnoxious.
By Kevin
October 12, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
Jim, has it come to this? “Sweat Suit wearers and lettuce pickers”? I know your job is to perpetuate confusion,(As all media does) however, I’m sure that you could have come up with some better adjectives to describe African Americans and Hispanic Americans. Jim, here’s a interesting fact for you though. Your chronometer is ticking. You may not see, however, there will come a day when racism, and hidden racism will be an ugly chapter in your history, not our future. Perhaps then, Blacks and Hispanics will realize that in order to reach true equality, we MUST work together.
By Andy
October 12, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
You dare start a paragraph with an adverb, Jim? You break ground every day. (and wind). My 9th grade english teacher would have given you raw knuckles and detention. This proves you aren’t catholic, as Barbara suspects.
And THEN you used the phrase, “most likely” twice within sight of each other. You even started three sentences with the word, “BUT”. The form is so horrendous, that if you were in catholic school, you would BE the fourth station of the cross by fifth period. (scourged with yardstick)
I just realized that Christ was the first Catholic school kid who got punished for bad grammar. The Beatitudes all start with an adverb, (“Blessed”).
What, were the romans so scrupulously literary that they just couldn’t stand another day listening to the messiah butchering their hard won syntax? ?
The Hispanics are all Catholic. The Blacks are all Protestant. Their differences are as profound as the Sunnis and the Shia. It’s line of succession. Christ vs Martin Luther; and Mohammed’s chosen vs the bitter second cousin heir wannabe, the first of the 12, who deep-sixed the chosen one and sent him off to be with his 72. (I divided the 72 by the 12 and multiplied that by the deep six. I got 666. Nostradamus was right! Run for your lives!!).
Now Martin Luther believed that he was possessed by demons and thus constipated by their presense in his bowels. (true). I have difficulty believing anyone who isn’t regular. (butt that’s just moi).
Hispanics have Christ on their side, so I would never underestimate their future and the power of their own prayer-begotten, soon to be self-fulfilled destiny.
The Blacks have Martin Luther King, our greatest orator and probably our socio-political saving grace.
By Van
October 12, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
I don’t understand the subdivision to begin with, like Dusty said. After all, aren’t we all in this together?
But the two groups may not share that much in common. Do blacks that have recently immigrated here share the same problems that non-immigrant blacks? Do legal hispanics share the same problems as illegals? And further subdivisions are also present - middle class or upper class or working poor or non-working poor. How far do we take it?
Since the opportunities are out there for those that want to work for it, I do not understand these victim groups.
By Andy
October 12, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
Kevin, racism is intrinsic to human nature. We need to feel superior to one group or another, or we’d be forced to face ourselves and that’s never been done, (not by an entire population).
Understand, sir, that blacks view whites the same way. Have you ever taken a good hard look at George Bush? I mean, look at that cracker’s face real close. You’d be prejudiced too.
I looked in the mirror real hard recently, and I saw my father’s face. My dad sure did look funny with a joint hanging from his lips.
Self reflection is painful, too painful for most people. We comfort ourselves with racism. It’s our way. Accept it, or never be happy.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
But I don’t see it happening.
Of course not Jim, wingnuts are blind to reality. They see what their ideology allows them to see and twist their logic to fit their own made up reality.
Never take responsibility for their own failures.
Intellectual cowards.
By mo
October 12, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
I see a lot of similarities between both ethnic groups and the struggles can be seen as common.
Though discounted by the topic, the article does highlight the similarities. Like any culture, however, even though the experiences are similar, there are differences that varies from person to person.
In other words, I do not see anyone who runs lock-step with the policies of any political organization.
Oh, and for the person who said that success is cultural, but feared that the statement was politically incorrect, take heart: The statement is incorrect, not just politically but factually. There are simply too many people in many cultures that functions strongly in the cultures that are successful. The experiences of a Bill Gates, for example, is vastly different from the experiences of an Allen Iverson, albeit they are both very successful.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
And there is, furthermore, the reality that blacks are spread over the economic spectrum and there’s no reason to think that the suit-wearers have any more in common politically with the lettuce-pickers than they would if they were all white, all Hispanic or all black.
Sure they do. They have sanctimonious whites like you forever telling them what’s best for them. Wow!! Without you white folks how could we poor ethnics make it!?
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Hispanics have Christ on their side, so I would never underestimate their future and the power of their own prayer-begotten, soon to be self-fulfilled destiny. The Blacks have Martin Luther King, our greatest orator and probably our socio-political saving grace.
Huh? The millions of blacks who are catholic, (including my in-laws), really would like to pray for you right now for that utterly unfathomable statement.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
You fake Christians have been duped by the fake Christian w
Oh, the humanity!
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
Things that Blacks and Hispanics have in common:
Driving while ethnic
Being singled out for “imaginary” crimes, (Run-Away Brides “Abductor”, Susan Smith’s Alleged “Children Abductor)
Being the last hired, for less pay, and the first fired when times get hard for the company, (no sense letting you good white folks go — even though you came to work less and did less work when you finally got there).
Having the audacity to expect America to live up to it true creed, (that all men created equal blah blah blah).
Yep, we fit just right…….
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Why doesn’t Lowery plead for Americans to work together as ONE?
Why waste his breath? In all the years of this country has that EVER happened?
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
As an English-American, and rather more English than American as my ALWAYS CORRECT SPELLING (other than odd typos) AND PRONUNCIATION evinces this kind of racially infused debate is quietly quite divisive. Indeed I am deeply offended by being gently forced once again to address such issues with my usual incisive foresight and considered, measured commentary.
Several years ago there was huge conference of blacks in Birmingham - not the real one back in the West Midlands but the “knock off” one in Alabama - to discuss the growing threat by Mexican types to black racial spoils entitlements as Mexican types were set to overtake blacks as the numero uno minority in the land of the free(bies) for illegals. This happening suggests what the “true” attitude of blacks is to mexican types - legal and illegal.
The tensions between these two races as they compete for employment, entitlements, school places and so on is often quite tangible if you talk to many folks from both sides as I have. Obviously my chats have been largely limited to GA residents - legal and illegal.
The lack of broad, visible support by blacks for free loading mexican type illegals is very telling. Very few American blacks have been out marching in the streets with any kind of flags demanding amnesty and the right of 30 million or more mostly poorly educated mexican types (including the extended family of illegals) to come settle here.
Still at least the mexican types dont play American sports other than baseball, so that area of competition (weak pun intended) is already closed off.
This Lowery fellow is just another embittered racial spoils type cynically stirring the pot - he knows damn well such “cooperation” will never happen but he gets a little ink and some richly undeserved media attention thrown his way for a day or so.
I want to publicly thank wanker Andy for posting such a stream of utter deranged shiite that my ribs are now getting quite sore from LMFAO.
P.S.
We’ve just had a county jail prisoner litter pick up detail go by my house and I took a couple of minutes to say hi to rednekkks - in fairness he was less morose than I thought he’d be under the circumstances.
By SPIN!!!
October 12, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
Dusty — I agree.
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[North Korea has, in its own inimitable fashion, paid tribute to a little-noticed U.S. push to get the world’s bankers to isolate regimes that promote nuclear proliferation and terrorism. Who else would claim to have conducted a nuclear weapons test and then threaten more blasts to get their way in a $24 million banking dispute?
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By Van
October 12, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight,
I guess it is easier to blame someone else for your short comings instead of addressing the real reason.
Driving while ethnic - what does that mean - does it mean the cops can divine that the person driving with oversized rims and Our Lady of Guadalupe on the back window and the radio blaring “Noviembre Sin Ti” is ethnic?
By Juan
October 12, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
It looks like Jim has made an extremely racist comment by implying that Hispanics are to dumb to ever climb up the corporate/income ladder.
Does the AJC even care about racist posts like Jim’s anymore?
Time for a burrito.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
Wingnuts,
How in the world do you keep supporting a party that despises you and call you nuts?
Have some self pride.
You have been duped.
Bwhahahahahaha.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Several years ago there was huge conference of blacks in Birmingham to discuss the growing threat by Mexican types to black racial spoils entitlements as Mexican types were set to overtake blacks as the numero uno minority in the land of the free(bies) for illegals. This happening suggests what the “true” attitude of blacks is to mexican types - legal and illegal.
Truth, put up or shut up. NAME the conference, year and date, (so I can google it to make sure you’re not lying out of your english teeth). I think you just made that up — I guess you’re the english version of the runaway bride.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Driving while ethnic - what does that mean
Duh!!! Google, “Driving While Black” Then google “Driving While Hispanic” see what you come up with.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
“Foley said he was being pressured by “the White House and Rove gang,” who insisted that Foley run. If he didn’t, Foley was told, it might impact his lobbying career.”
“He said, ‘The White House made it very clear I have to run,’” explains Foley’s friend, adding that Foley told him that the White House promised that if Foley served for two more years it would “enhance his success” as a lobbyist.”
Surprise!
By Markus
October 12, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Well well well. It looks like Dirty Harry Reid double downed at Vegas and had a million dollar windfall he forgot to disclose, as well as his ties to the business owner who bought it, to his wife… and CONGRESS! Not only that, but his “friend” helped pay the land taxes on this land, which may even be a gift, which of course wasn’t disclosed either.
Yep, the Democrit party shows it’s jackass again. Hey Nancy, you old dried up ex-60s hippy liberal, you gonna shout from your podium about ethics issues and accountability in YOUR back yard now?
Now, let’s see how the mainstream media, you know, that alleged NON-BIASED media as the jackass limpwristed liberals call it, will report on this as aggressively as any Republican had he done this.
“Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week”
You don’t say! What happened there Dirty Harry? You didn’t shove any documents down your pants like Sandypants Berger now, did you? Dirty hypocritical RATS. Speaking of Sandypants “Five Finger Classified Document Discount” Berger, word is there is an investigation going on to find out what documents he stole and destroyed. You know, that “sloppy” handling of the documents as the filthy RAT said of his actions.
Look out below! That great Demogod of ethics, morality, and accountability, Dirty Harry Reid, that man who loves to talk about Republican corruption and ethics violations, the man of the hour himself, in action…
By Lily Toad
October 12, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
The Hispanics are all Catholic. The Blacks are all Protestant. Wrong! I have two black co-workers sitting right next to me who went to Catholic schools. And have you ever heard of black muslims?
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
October 12, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
tftt/tommy, you silly fairy tranny. It is I the Pope, out west again, in Vegas this time - driving to Sun City for some doings regarding the estate this PM, but this morning, the Pope will be in a poker tournament. So no time for the usual, as I have an inheritance to squander…
By Lily Toad
October 12, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
What blacks and Hispanics have in common is that they are oppressed minorities. All oppressed people need to band together to fight the oppressors. That includes disabled people, women, gay people, people of color, working class people, and all other oppressed people. People like Jim like to divide and pit minorities against each other by making ridiculous statements like “blacks are spread over the economic spectrum and there’s no reason to think that the suit-wearers have any more in common politically with the lettuce-pickers….”
By JK
October 12, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Since when do you right-wingers give a gosh darn about what the Rev. Joseph Lowery has to say? OH! Since it’s an election year, and you need a “left-winger” to slam and criticize! What a great deflection tactic… pretending you care. Why, we might just forget the abysmal performance of your one-party-rule guys, huh?
I don’t understand the subdivision to begin with, like Dusty said. After all, aren’t we all in this together?
HAHAHA! Yeah, right. That’s what y’all care about: us all getting along. snerk
By Camus
October 12, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this
Markus -
You are a pathetically ignorant tool. Either that or you are completely dishonest. Perhaps both.
The AP piece on Reid was written by John Solomon, who is well-known as the Repub-favorite stenographer at AP whenever Nedra Pickler is busy. This year he has already written several sensationalistic stories about alleged wrong-doings by Reid that fell apart under intelligent analysis (not that we expect that from you), and this “bombshell” story is already falling apart under the weight of fact. So, small wonder Reid would hang up on this guy…Solomon is a dishonest partisan. Kind of like you.
Your ‘liberal’ media at work.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
@ racist cow debbie
lying through your english teeth
I could care less if you believe me or not lovey dovey … if memory serves it was back in 1999. I dont recall the title etc or the month. I read about it in an article in the far left ajc and was quietly astonished such bigotry was occurring.
Honey bunnykins — you’re obviously the American version of the racist jilted butch lesbian.
Juan
please go and choke on a stale chalupa … thanks very much bubba
By Van
October 12, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight,
DWB and DWH are just excuses, what is the real beef.
DWI is much more a problem than the imaginary DWB or DWH.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
rednekkks NAMBLA
here’s hoping you run into an equally demented lorry driver who objects to your visceral anti-southern bigotry and cuts you up something rotten!!
By Brian Curtis
October 12, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Blacks and Hispanics have a great deal in common—but in terms of class, not race.
Anyone making less than, say, $50K a year who votes Republican is shooting themselves in the foot. It’s true that both parties are corrupt tools of the wealthy and powerful… but the Republicans are considerably more blatant about it.
Why on EARTH would any minimum-wage worker consider supporting someone from the party that looks out only for stockholders and CEOs?
By Markus
October 12, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
What bothers me about Hispanic “activists” is when they try to compare their struggle to become Americans as equal to that of blacks struggling for their freedom for 250+ years.
Hispanics know nothing of having to ride in the back seat of a bus because of the color of one’s skin, and they sure know nothing of their recent ancestors as slaves. If Hispanics are struggling, it’s from oppression by their OWN government, not ours. We have immigration laws every other race/nationality abides by.
Just because they border us, just because they lost land to us in a war (and want it back), just because lazy@ssed Americans won’t take landscaping, housepainting, drywall, and roofing jobs, doesn’t give these people free reign to come over as they wish.
Of course, nothing is going to get done about illegal immigration, because whatever the Republicans propose, the Democrits will oppose (the wall will be built so the “rich” Republicans can get “richer” via contracts). The Democrits of course offer ZERO real solutions. It’s much easier to sit on one’s fat@ss and b!tch about the other side doing it the wrong way.
One thing young Hispanics have to look up to is having a real future in something like general contracting, instead of only striving to be an NBA star or rapper wannabe. No, I don’t see many similarities in anything between blacks and Hispanics.
By Van
October 12, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight,
DWB and DWH are just excuses, like police pick on red cars or blonds in convertibles - what is the real beef.
DWI is much more a problem than the imaginary DWB or DWH.
By @@
October 12, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
mo: It was me that pointed out that success is cultural. I’m not into sports, but you did encourage me to research Iverson’s biography.
It was an odd comparison Bill Gates and Allen Iverson. I intended my cultural reference to be viewed from a familial perspective. Bill Gates came from an intact family and moved consistently forward without any glitches or bumps in the road.
Putting race aside, Allen Iverson came from a a broken family structure and could have very easily followed in the footsteps of his father who ended up in prison for selling drugs to support the family. He was misdirected in his youth. It wasn’t until he suffered consequences of his actions and ran into Coach Thompson at Georgetown, who he called “Dad”, that he turned his life around.
Coach Thompson’s philosophy was:
“No one gives you anything on the basketball court if they can help it, and if they can help it, no one gives you anything in life.”
I’ll commend Iverson for his determination to succeed, but people like Lowery wouldn’t have gotten him there.
By Markus
October 12, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
How many of the same liberal Democrits who wet their pretty pink panties over Bush’s datamining and international wiretapping will now be crying about “Big Brother” on every street block in Chicago, an idea by the city’s Democrit mayor?
By Markus
October 12, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Canus-
I see. Not disclosing the deal is a FACT, not paying taxes on it is FACT, yet youo asspirates on the left want it ignored… just like Dirty Harry hanging up. You pieholes think you can get away with anything.
Like I said, Democrit hypocrital pigs.
By jbmlaw
October 12, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Dear JK @ 11:52, I think I do not get your point. Are you saying you think the good Reverend’s idea is meritorious, or not?
By Captain Freedom
October 12, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
The Captain agrees with Jim yet again! How could there possibly be any common ground between these competing interests of taco-eaters and hip-hop homies.
Never mind that both these salsa gobblers and malt liquor guzzlers face the well-justified taunts and sneers of their White Christian Male betters.
Never mind that these underclass welfare vampires have a shared history of being economically exploited by the more-clever White Males who — thank GOD! — dominate our economy and the Republican Party.
Never mind that each group has, in response to their silly demands for “dignity” and “respect” (as if We owe them any), been met with calm answers of “go back to Africa/Mexico”.
Forget that the statistics for infant mortality, school dropout rates, incarceration percentages, poverty and health problems for both the merengue dancers and beat box bonobos exceeds those of White America in almost every aspect. This is undoubtedly due to our superior cleanliness.
The Captain is certain that there is no way these two groups could find any common ground in the current political culture. Why, they are as different as black and brown, as tacos and ribs.
So yes, the Captain gives Jim a big thumbs up again today, as he has done silently for the past several days.
“Why silent, Captain, oh why?,” you may ask, fearing that I may have been discovered and exterminated by the Islamofascist suicider squads that have infiltrated north Cobb COunty.
Well, it has almost seemed lately as though Jim had grown tired of the rancor of previous weeks and deliberately chosen topics of such little import and pressing interest as a deliberate strategery to drive off all but the most dull-witted.
Well, if that was the point, it has been a success, because here I am, wielding the mighty rapier pen of Freedom and True Belief alongside my White Christian bretheren Realist and the delightfully deranged Markus (still spelled with suspiciously foreign emphasis, but his barely suppressed violent rage causes the Captain’s little soldier to stand up and salute, so I forgive that un-American indescretion).
Oh and Barbara, I still think of you every night as I fall asleep, you temptress. But not that horrible Dusty wench, who has the temerity to call me liberal. I think she is just bitter because of that dried-out hoohah problem.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
the lettuce-pickers…
OK then - lets make it avocado pickers or Hall County chicken house workers - I take it you feel much better now that this possible Mexcian type stereotype you bleated about has been widened!!
as for your pathetic bollocks about “oppressed minorities” … still LMFAO
go get mugged or carjacked love by an “oppressed minority” with gang tattoos and see how you feel then.
blacks were undeniably treated despicably purely because of their race - happily that is all in the ever more dim and distant past.
but Mexican types are hardly “oppressed” for any ethnic reasons - around 15 million - maybe more, are here illegally … that’s why they are being legitimately criticised and now grudgingly very occasionally targeted by the feds.
your sick racebaiting is nauseating and utterly dishonest. Rosa Parks and folks like her absolutely deserve to be honoured - nasty little race stirrers like you deserve to be “kicked in the nuts” as Cartman would say!!
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
I could care less if you believe me or not lovey dovey … if memory serves it was back in 1999. I dont recall the title etc or the month.
Why am I not surprised………
Honey bunnykins — you’re obviously the American version of the racist jilted butch lesbian.
Redcoat, the only person who probably gets more good ole american beef than me, is you, Gentle Ben.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
DWB and DWH are just excuses, what is the real beef.
Or course YOU’D say that………
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
One thing young Hispanics have to look up to is having a real future in something like general contracting, instead of only striving to be an NBA star or rapper wannabe.
Ahhhh, America’s True Colors Showing Again…..
By SPIN!!
October 12, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
Markus — you are sadly mistaken about Hispanic folks and discrimination. I am not from Georgia, but the Great State of TEXAS! where we have a very sizable and long-standing Hispanic population. I am (fortunately)not old enough to have actually seen the signs of racism, but there were many places in TX where an Hispanic person would not be served, allowed to sit, etc, etc, etc… rather like the more famous discrimination perpetuated here in GA. If you have lived here (in GA) you might mistakenly believe there has been “no back of the bus” discrimination against Hispanics, but you probably also believe the “problem” with Hispanics is a recent issue. It’s only relatively new to GA. (I might add, I simply cannot find good Tex-Mex here in GA and deplore the quality of what passes for “Mexican” food in Atlanta — poor me.)
By CJ
October 12, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
Markus @12:04 “What bothers me about Hispanic “activists” is when they try to compare their struggle to become Americans as equal to that of blacks struggling for their freedom for 250+ years. Hispanics know nothing of having to ride in the back seat of a bus because of the color of one’s skin, and they sure know nothing of their recent ancestors as slaves.”
Right on Markus! Black power!
Hey, do us a favor and report back after you attend the next NAACP meeting, will ya’?
Markus of all people? Who’d a thunk it?
By Captain Freedom
October 12, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Markus is of course correct about the evil inherent in Mayor Daley’s proposal to post security cameras in all public areas of the city. Why, it’s almost as though he wants to shackle, sleep-deprive and waterboard the entire population of Chicago and anyone who visits there. As though he would smear fake mestrual blood on every man on the street.
It is all quite shocking and horrible, and even worse, it is proposed by a Demoncrat. Markus is correct…totalitarian measures are best left to the experts. You know, the Republicans.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
gets more good ole american beef
@ racist cow debbie
hopefully your arteries are severely clogged by now then lovey …smirk
I note your cliched pathetic race baiting bollocks is just more leftist mental flatulation - but it is quite entertaining so please keep this garbage coming lovey.
By Lily Toad
October 12, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Why is this a discourse on illegal Hispanics? There are many, many legal Hispanics and as people of color they have legitimate concerns about discrimination.
By Camus
October 12, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Markus,
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001782.php
I’ll wait, I know it takes longer to read these things when you have to move your lips.
Your enthusiasm for ferreting out wrong-doing amongst Democrats is matched only by your inability to get even one fact straight.
By JK
October 12, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
I was not commenting on Dr. Lowry’s comments. I did not hear his speech in full, nor do I trust that the few words Mr. Wooten throws out would be comprehensive enough to understand their context and meaning.
My point was simply that Dr. Lowry’s words are being USED by people who really don’t CARE what he thinks or says, just weeks before an important election, to deflect our attention away from the importance of replacing the current one-party rule with some balance. That’s all.
By Captain Freedom
October 12, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad,
The Captain objects to your assertion that there are ‘legal’ Hispanics. Certainly, the act of Hispanicism is in itself illegal and warrants swift and stern police action, including deportation, and where necessary to save an American city, not-torture as determined by Our Leader.
All of these illegals need to be sent back where they came from. Except for Pedro, our plumber. Mrs. Freedom seems to have a soft spot for this little nipper.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
but Mexican types are hardly “oppressed” for any ethnic reasons - around 15 million - maybe more, are here illegally … that’s why they are being legitimately criticised and now grudgingly very occasionally targeted by the feds
What would YOU know about oppression Tooth? Even with your great spelling, (except maybe when you have a typo), and your excellent command of the english language, you couldn’t possibly know anything about oppression.
Twisted Truth, talk to me when you’ve been oppressed — until then stay away from adult conversations. Even though your grasp of english is exemplary, your spelling top notch, your common sense leaves a lot to be desired…….
By CJ
October 12, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
SPIN @12:25 “Markus — you are sadly mistaken about Hispanic folks and discrimination.”
SPIN, perhaps you haven’t been around much during the past few days, so please allow me to bring you up to date.
Markus has informed me that he doesn’t like it when “nit picking liberals” get hung up on details. He wants posters to respond to, what he calls, the “meat of his posts”.
So for your benefit, I repeat — please ignore Markus’ fabrications and address the “meat of his posts” that those fabrications are intended to support.
I’ve learned my lesson and am hoping this message helps to move this discussion forward so that we don’t continue to get hung-up on Markus’ ubiquitous misrepresentations and falsehoods.
Thanks for listening.
By Andy
October 12, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Forget it, Debbie, he’s rolling.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
@ patronising still a bit racist cow debbie
I HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED, viciously and racially … every damn day here some snivelling dimwitted colonial moron, usually in a shop or bank etc asks me if I’m a *ing australian?*.
this is tantamount to my aggressively questioning your parentage using indelicate racial epithets!!
whilst I humbly acknowledge your inevitable recognition of my consummate mastery of the REAL ENGLISH language I am unsurprisingly highly amused at your entrenched brainlessness when it comes to vacuous embittered race baiting.
By Realist
October 12, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Why dont we just leave the damned mexicans alone. I mean hell, my lawn has never looked better and for 1/4 what I used to pay!! Viva la s** !!
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Arteries aren’t clogged, but since you know more about plugging beef then me, I’ll adhere to your wisdom,
Race baiting? Mois? I was just following your example Redcoat on how to conduct a conversation with a girly boy…..I had no idea I was being racially offensive! Please forgive me Gentle Ben.
By Andy
October 12, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Cartoon Idea: Show Foley, Hastert, and Bush having a tug of war with Osama, Kim, and Saddam with the “pool of public enmity” in the middle between them. (They’re all pulling on a rope)
By Andy
October 12, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
Fox just reported this: A lady in Peoria has filed suit in federal court to prevent the Library of Congress from displaying any historical or patriotic documents, like the Bill of Rights, or the Declaration of Independence because they inspire young american males to become congressional pages.
By Realist
October 12, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
I apologize for my previous post. It should have read Viva la Beaner.
By Andy
October 12, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
The one saving grace about Foley is that he did complete his military service. He was in the special forces, you know, a real Kung-fu grip kind of guy.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
“Book says Bush just using Christians”!
w’s little whores.
Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!
By Mrs. Freedom
October 12, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
Pedro, please come over this afternoon. My democratic pretty pink panties are clogging the sink and Captain is blogging. Just let yourself in, I’ll be waiting in the master bath.
By BlackPearl
October 12, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Jim Wooten is one of the best race baiters in the state. Every blog topic and opinion page written, has racial overtones in it.
Hispanics will not be in the minority 10 years from now, even if you put up a wall or send them all back to Mexico. You can’t stop determination and if you keep spending money to send them all back, you will be just misusing taxpayers money.
The “only” time I have ever agreed with President Bush, is when he spoke about a workers program. That’s the only intelligent thing he has come up with during his “entire” administration. Even he has enough “intelligence” to know that they will “just” keep coming back and the economy needs them.
As far as hispanics and blacks joing forces. I think you are wrong about that one. They might not agree on everything, but I think they can find common ground when it comes to people “Like” JIM WOOTEN. They are starting to fill up our jail and live in poor neighborhoods and have children in some of the worst school systems. They are also accused of being lazy and welfare moms. Laws are being passed to keep them from living together in a 3 bedroom house.
Hey Jim Wooten, I will bet you $1,000 that some type of agreement will be reached between the two groups, to keep people like you from hurting both groups.
It won’t be harmonious, but it will serve a common purpose.
By jbmlaw
October 12, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
$1,000? Did somebody say $1,000? For just $1,000, I’ll buy your lunch and prove that I’m an economist and licensed attorney in three states. Fair?
By CJ
October 12, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
Just kidding jbm. That was really me at 1:26.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
Poor wingnuts.
They have been used and abused but still support the cheerleader.
It is like w is the pimp who beats the crap out of them, but they still do whatever he says.
Good little blogistutes.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
Busted
By AmazingOne
October 12, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
It is amazing to me that in 2006 many whites still have this inherent superiority complex. It seems to be bred into white Americans. I am not saying that everyone is like this, but ya’ll really think that you are better than other people, as if you are the saviors of the masses. I mean really! Everywhere you go you steal and degrade others whether they be Mexican, Haitan, Jamaican or African American.
By Andy is bonnie scott is finch
October 12, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
It all depends upon her mood.
She’s the one you can thank for getting the delay imposed on us.
Can you blame the AJC? Look at what this loser bonnie scott is saying:
By bonnie scott October 12, 2006 09:53 AM Self reflection is painful, too painful for most people. We comfort ourselves with racism. It’s our way. Accept it, or never be happy.
They need to throw a net over this loser.
By Dusty
October 12, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Ah Captain Freedom …on the loose again and me with only a dried up hoo-hah or whatever. But I take the bait anyway.
Better quit the undercover work for those of liberal inclinations and faulty imaginations. It will only lead to blindness and babbling bwhaaaas!!!
Anyway, aren’t you on the road settling an estate or did I get you mixed up with one of the other crackpots? You sounded almost honest. Nawww…that couldn’t be. What could I be thinking?
By Andy
October 12, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
Well I never…!!!
By Van
October 12, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
AmazingOne
What an attitude. With that mind set, you have every excuse to be a failure.
Where I work we have folks from every race, creed and/or skin color, they have all succeeded without any excuses, just hard work.
If we have any complexes, and I am sure we all do, we like to be with other people like us, people who want to get ahead, regardless of whatever sub group you want them to be in.
Now, I do not suffer stupid well, and any display of extreme stupidity does rile me up.
If you want it bad enough, you will work hard enough to get it.
By Rosharon
October 12, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this
Van, can’t handle the truth, can you?
By BlackPearl
October 12, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
VAN - what makes you think AmazingOne doesn’t already have a successful life?
I agree with most of her comments and I have a successful career, home, cars, retirement accounts, vacation home, other properties, high achieving child, college education, etc…..
You are going on the assumption, that only people who lack the american dream feel this way and I must tell you, you’re WRONG.
You are only thinking with oneside of your brain. There is always the other side.
Ask me why I feel this way?
By The Pope
October 12, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
What is race? Didn’t we all come from Adam and Eve. What I see is the “underdeveloped” continue to believe the same lie for their shortcomings - “racism.” It’s a shame that people spend so much time and energy trying to combat racism in society instead of taking care of their own. Be productive, render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and stop waiting for society to be some uptopia of equality. If you want rights you have to earn them. Booker T. Washington was right all along.
By CJ
October 12, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Van @2:52: “any display of extreme stupidity does rile me up.”
Not to be confused with common, everyday stupidity which Van has no problem with and, in fact, displays regularly.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
Everywhere you go you steal and degrade others whether they be Mexican, Haitan, Jamaican or African American.
I dont recall ever stealing. or reading about anyone else stealing a mexican, jamaican etc in fact what would be the point of “having” any of those on your pathetic little race baiting list?
what the bloody hell is an afriKan - ameriKan … I’ve never seen one anywhere? are they some kind of third world trendy pet? its a very silly term I’ve happily never really seen or heard.
obviously you’re some kind of ignorant black racebaiter which is typical of the black bigots with the kind of complex you’re obsessed with that sadly we occasionally get on here.
I judge/treat folks equally (other than the french, aussies and mohammedan fascists).
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Booker T. Washington was right all along.
YEAH MAN … love them Green Onions … cool song … chill brutha!!
By Van
October 12, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
BlackPearl,
Okay, I’ll bite. Which statements do you believe in.
“It is amazing to me that in 2006 many whites still have this inherent superiority complex. It seems to be bred into white Americans.”
“I am not saying that everyone is like this, but ya’ll really think that you are better than other people, as if you are the saviors of the masses.”
“I mean really! Everywhere you go you steal and degrade others whether they be Mexican, Haitan, Jamaican or African American.”
This person has laid out every reason not to succeed. From I don’t like your attitude, to we are the world savior - definatly not true, to we are all thieves and bad guys.
So when AmazingOne fails to achieve the american dream, who is to blame? Who has that responsibility to achieve? Who is holding them back?
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Not to be confused with common, everyday stupidity which Van has no problem with and, in fact, displays regularly.
you mean when he quotes your stupid posts back at you?
you are a poof - right?? dont be scared to admit it CJ - most of the lefties on here are poofs - so you’re in good pinko poof company!!
I think there’s something a little queer about this forum - must be all the lefty poofs tha knows!!
By The Pope
October 12, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
You must be confusing Booker T with Grover Jr. Here’s what Booker T had to say: “Think about it: We went into slavery pagans; we came out Christians. We went into slavery pieces of property; we came out American citizens. We went into slavery with chains clanking about our wrists; we came out with the American ballot in our hands…Notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, we are in a stronger and more hopeful condition, materially, intellectually, morally, and religiously, than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe.” - from Up From Slavery
By Wootenfan
October 12, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
President Bush is the best president for Latinos this country has ever had.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Oh Boo Hoo that’s so sad. Redcoat for all of your “prolific knowledge” of the english language, perhaps you missed the class on English Comprehension. The poster said “Everywhere you go, you steal and degrade others”. Now what the poster meant is that whatever country you white folks land on, be it India, Africa, America, South America, Australia, China, etc. you make a habit of degrading the local populace and stealing the land and the riches which from them which didn’t belong to you. Gee Whiz Boy Blunder I thought you could’ve figured that out on your own. sigh…..
By Van
October 12, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
CJ,
Wow, someone that has never stepped into a pile of stupid every once in a while - face it we all do it, that is why I said extreme stupid, stupid
By Andy
October 12, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
Cartoon Idea: Show a monkey, who is a congressional representative on the Planet of the Apes, looking at Bush, and saying, “Gee, those pages are getting uglier and dumber by the minute.”
By CJ
October 12, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
Hey Truth Man,
Your 3:33 is yet another example of your dry, subtle, though-provoking wit. I know you’re just playin’. Not everybody can appreciate such depth, but I’m right there with you. Barbara too.
By CJ
October 12, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Well said Van. I guess you got me.
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
@ racist cow debbie
cheers for biting again so nicely …I knew some one would … smirk
you white folks
that says it all love … now if I said “you blacks” (or whatever) you’d be screeching racism!!
(sigh) IMPERIALISM IS JUST SO PASSE THESE DAYS!!
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
CJ
NOPE … wrong again - you’re a poof!! dont be ashamed or deny it - just fess up and get on with your imbecilic leftist posting.
I wonder why unhinged foreskin has changed its name to wanker andy? the dribble and bollocks is still just as pathetic and unfunny!!
By Andy
October 12, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Looks like Bush is now in the “first get the global seal of approval” camp before he does anything.
What a flip flopper that Bush is!
FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP
By Rosharon
October 12, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
Imperialism is alive and well in the Middle East, especially in Iraq. Ya’ll know that’s why Bush invaded, don’t ya?
By BlackPearl
October 12, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
VAN - Actually I agree with all of the above.
Those were NOT excuses NOT to Succeed, those were “observations”.
The person blogging under AmazingOne did not say: I can’t get a house loan, because the rate will be higher - because I’m black.
That “VAN” would be an excuse.
But, an observation would be, “Why are whites given lower rates for the exact same credit score as a black person?” Just because the black person lives in a certain zipcode.
That “VAN” is racism at it’s BEST.
Another thing “VAN” - I thank GOD - I have a white sounding lastname and I live in a Republican zipcode and my mother did not name me Quanesha. I happen to value uniqueness, but some people think that you don’t have a “BRAIN” unless your name is Sarah, Molly or Jim Bob.
By Assclowniis Maximus
October 12, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Debbie Do-right,
Redcoat, the only person who probably gets more good ole american beef than me, is you, Gentle Ben
LMAO - Too classic!
By Van
October 12, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
BlackPearl,
A simple question, if both the white couple and black couple with same credit numbers living in the same zip code - which one would be denied? I say neither.
But if one was an illegal immigrant, they would be sure to get approved.
Oh, BTW, those are rationals or excuses so when AmazingOne does fail they are not responsible. I didn’t get the good job because I am not white, only euro-trash get ahead. My 35 years of payment and credit history has nothing at all to do about getting approved or getting a good rate, its just because I am a good old white guy.
By Rosharon
October 12, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
My 35 years of payment and credit history has nothing at all to do about getting approved or getting a good rate, its just because I am a good old white guy.
I think he’s got it! I knew you’d come to your senses, Van.
By DebbieDoRight
October 12, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Hey Twisted Truth: I can’t say “you white folks” withot it being considered racist? Ok so what if I said “you caucasians” or “you people without any color” ok. Every where you see in my posts the words “white folks” plese substitute it for “people without any color”. How’s that?
By Curious Observer
October 12, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
The Lord above knows I’m no fan of Wooten, but for some moron to criticize him for beginning a sentence with an adverb is—well, moronic. There’s nothing wrong with beginning a sentence with an adverb. Perhaps this person had a very bad English teacher—maybe a graduate of UGA.
And the word blessed is a participle as used in the context cited, not an adverb.
It’s bad enough to see TFTT butcher the King’s—excuse me, Queen’s English, all the while claiming sanctimoniously to be absolutely correct, but then I would expect that from a Manchester trade school dropout. However, I will not stand by and allow a know-nothing to encourage even worse English on this page.
By Van
October 12, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
Rosharon,
I think we have an example of extreme stupid.
By Camus
October 12, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
The Captain wishes to let it be known that, while he is a 100% White Christian Heterosexual Male, he is also a “person of color”.
My nose is often bright red. My knees are usually bruised, and my hands rubbed a raw pink, as though I may have fallen down repeatedly. I do not know the cause for any of this.
Additionally, my feet and ankles (up to the sockline) are a glowing burnished ivory, more white than white, so I consider that a color.
So DO NOT insult me with your race-baiting “people without any color” gibe. Just because a man likes Toby Keith does not mean he has no color. No sense, perhaps, but jump back on your color gibe. Me and Van and Markus don’t like your tone.
By getalife
October 12, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
“They’re so disdained that Karl Rove has a name for them — “the Nuts.”
I like it. From now on I will refer to the wingnuts as the nuts.
Thanks Rove.
By Van and Logic = Oil and Water
October 12, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Van said: “A simple question, if both the white couple and black couple with same credit numbers living in the same zip code -which one would be denied? I say neither. But if one was an illegal immigrant, they would be sure to get approved.”
A black couple, a white couple and an illegal with the same credit card number? What the hell are you talking about?
By time for the truth
October 12, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
the pinko racebaiters are biting like real gooduns tonite!!
I see the pompus wanker pinko pooftah observer is back to wanking in cyber space again.
By Markus
October 12, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Canus, @ your 12:35:
All that nice left-wing blog said was that Reid only netted $700,000, not %1.1 million (oops, the original reporter forgot to say NETTED, so it must be a lie!).
Then your lovely left-wing blog said:
“Well, it’s not clear that Reid broke any ethical rules — let alone any laws.”
That’s exactly right. That’s why Dirty Harry Reid is being investigated. Then your lovely ragblog spent the rest of the time talking about a witch hunt on Reid in the past.
What Dirty Harry did was deceptive, intentional, shady, unethical, and possibly against senate rules.. You know damn well if a Republican did that, you’d ask for his head. You people on the left are disgusting hypocrites.
By Dusty
October 12, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this
Well, Captain, Camus, Andy etc.,
I wish you would stick with one nom de plume for the day. It is hard to keep up with all the hokus pokus with you switching around.
As to your “color”, I am sorry you have rosea. The dermatologist can help a little but it is expensive. That leaves you out. But since you like to “clown” around, the red nose may be suitable.
No wonder Mrs. Captain has trouble with the plumbing. Does she call you Rudolph?
By CJ
October 12, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I too am perplexed. When I realized that the only honest neo-con is actually French…well, I’ve been driving around in my car aimlessly trying to make sense of it all…same as the day I found out that Santa Clause wasn’t real.
Welcome Camus. Welcome.
By Assclowniis Maximus
October 12, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this
What’s the big deal about Reid- At least he isn’t a pedophile. I’ll take your average crook over a CHILD MOLESTER anyday!
By Markus
October 12, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
What’s the big deal about Reid? It just shows the blatant double standards the Democrit jackasses have, that’s all. One set of rules for themselves, and another set for everyone else. But what else is new. Assachussetts keeps re-electing a manslaughterer and West Verginnie keeps re-electing an ex-KKK Kleagle. Studdman got standing ovations after being exposed as a teen sodomizer. No shame.
By Assclowniis Maximus
October 12, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
I’ve read a few things about Reid’s alleged inproprieties and all I can say is RED HERRING.
Conservatives will push any seeming wrongdoing to try and steer debate away from foleygate and the trainwreck known as Iraq.
Funny, how non of the conpervatives were screaming about Sonny’s own sweet land deal and retroactive, governors only tax break!
As i recall MAKING A PROFIT ISN’T A CRIME!
By Sunny
October 12, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this
It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for conservatives to throw out terms like “hard work” or “pull yourself up by your bootstraps”.
These comments are mostly made by people who had the background to understand the meaning and support to do it.
Take Allen Iverson as an example. Where do you think he would be right now with out exceptional basketball talent. Where do you think he would be if he had not been noticed and encouraged and supported? He was given a hand up and he grabbed it and rose. The point is that somebody intervened. Somebody cared. Somebody supported. Somebody helped. Somebody loved. If every underpriveleged child (white, black, brown, yellow, white, red, etc.) received the same treatment, we would have less crime. Not every one would take advantage, but many more than are currently able to rise would become shining stars in the work force.
By Captain Freedom
October 12, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this
Parched Dusty,
The Captain is one of a kind and needs no other alias. Take it to the bank.
The Captain speaks his mind, and like any other good conservative, when he has nothing to say, he says it twice. He says it twice. I’ve learned from the best.
Thank you for the medical tip about rosea. I will see the doctor straight away. Medical science is a wonderful thing for those of us with ample insurance. Perhaps your own doctor can provide you with relief for your lubrication problem.
Best wishes, The Captain
By Captain Freedom
October 12, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this
Parched Dusty,
The Captain is one of a kind and needs no other alias. Take it to the bank.
The Captain speaks his mind, and like any other good conservative, when he has nothing to say, he says it twice. He says it twice. I’ve learned from the best.
Thank you for the medical tip about rosea. I will see the doctor straight away. Medical science is a wonderful thing for those of us with ample insurance. Perhaps your own doctor can provide you with relief for your lubrication problem.
Best wishes, The Captain
By Markus
October 12, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this
Hey assclown-
“As i recall MAKING A PROFIT ISN’T A CRIME!”
Who the hell do you idiot liberals think you are kidding? You people wail like stuck pigs over corporate profits and “rich” people making profits off investments. But alas, this is a RAT, so it’s ok. Hypocrites.