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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Today a change of directions. Not a permanent change, but an experiment.
The AJC reports in the Sunday edition that the top concerns of voters across the state in the governor’s race are crime and public safety, cited by 96 percent of those who participated in a Mason-Dixon poll of 625 likely voters conducted Sept. 27-29. Education was mentioned by 94 percent with “keeping taxes down” and health care availability cited by 92 percent. My reading of those concerns is, still, that it’s an incumbent’s year in Georgia.
Certainly the rash of high-profile crimes, like the school shootings, weigh on voters, but the randomness and the insanity of the shootings make it hard for voters to pinpoint a cause and to place blame. Education is a polling stand-by. When put on the spot, the clueless and the contented voter will cite education. It’s a catch-all good-citizen concern that requires no real knowledge.
Today’s mission, though, for Thinking Right contributors, is to play reporter. Over the last couple of days of travelling around Middle Georgia, I’ve seen no evidence that voters are in a foul mood. But you report: In your circles, what concerns to friends, family and associates express? Which races, state, local or federal, attract attention?
Comments
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
When you give out an assignment to play reporter shouldn’t you then let people go out and report? Just kidding, I realize that would never work in this format.
What I’ve seen with people I talk to outside of political blogs is that their interest is very centered on border security, followed by terrorism. Almost all of them want tight border control to get a handle on immigration, not to stop it but to normalize it. A split comes with the terror issue. My friends that separate Iraq from the overall mission seem to hope for a change in leadership and those that see it as the same issue hope for a stronger conservative majority.
My conservative friends tend to be pretty upset about this Congress and the Bush administration’s spending habits, but if you ask if that means they will vote for Democrats they get a hardy laugh.
All in all it seems more voyeuristic than anything since the actual elections are a series of small local affairs rendering the generic national polls meaningless. Nobody seems to think that the Governor is in any danger of losing and for those of us in Georgia’s 4th district, our election has been over for a couple of months.
By Rockdale Conservative
October 8, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
It would be helpful to readers to know where the comments originate…voters may feel quite differently in Fulton and Cobb than in our area.
We have a changing voter demographic in Rockdale, and most of us agree that we are very upset with the McCain liberals in Washington, but we don’t feel “OUR” Republicans are in his category and will continue to support them.
Our Number One Issue: THE HIGH COST OF SUPPORTING ILLEGAL ALIENS! Obviously, we need more border security!
Those who associate with conservatives hear one election prediction; the liberals will be sure they are going to be taking over. “Where” and “who” are the pollsters calling???
By I Report, You Whine
October 8, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
Jim: I think voters are getting tired of bald faced liberal hypocrisy.
Just my take on things.
A good example of this is Talking Point Tucker’s column and these assorted gems from it:
They have cut taxes for the wealthy
They have pandered to the worst instincts of reactionaries, bashing illegal immigrants and demonizing gays.
Nor has Congress done any better about protecting American soil.
allowing the president to strip detainees of habeas corpus
Vice President Dick Cheney at his word when he insisted that our troops would be greeted as “liberators” in Iraq.
Gosh, how original.
It’s like Queen Pinko looks upon the AJC readership as though they are nothing but a bunch of slack jawed, beady eyed, idiots who sit around lapping this nonsense up off the floor.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, most of the readers of this rag are idiots.
Never mind.
By Just another Bush coward
October 8, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
Jeb Bush Hides From Protesters In a Closet During Santorum Event… Jeb Bush Hides From Protesters In a Closet During Santorum Event…
About 75 protesters remained on the street, said Mr. Grove.
He said the crowd was asked repeatedly to disperse.
Mr. Grove said a Port Authority canine unit was called in to help with crowd control. Two officers used their tasers to stun two protesters who “were asked to leave, but did not go,” Mr. Grove said.
The tasers he said were empty of the cartridges that supply a more powerful charge.
“It was a very tense situation. They were very close to the governor and shouting on top of him.”
As a precaution, the governor was ushered into a T-station supply closet and stayed there until the crowd left.
By rational
October 8, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
The biggest education issue is school overcrowding. Not illegals, not testing, not No Child Left Behind, not creationism and not Harry Potter. Who wants their kid in a trailer? Developers are eager to put up 1000s of new homes, but don’t give a squat about building new schools for the new kids.
Impact fees. Make developers and (okay) the new residents buying those new homes pay.
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
Another thing I’ve noticed is evidenced by the 10:54 post. When it comes down to it liberals have no idea what they stand for so on the fourth comment they go off topic to try to smear someone. As election day draws closer that fact will translate into Republican votes.
As we can see here, Democrats don’t even know what an American soldier looks like yet they want to take control of a war.
By KO
October 8, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
“The president doesn’t just hear what he wants. He hears things that only he can hear.
“It defies belief that this president and his administration could continue to find new unexplored political gutters into which they could wallow. Yet they do.
“It is startling enough that such things could be said out loud by any president of this nation. Rhetorically, it is about an inch short of Mr. Bush accusing Democratic leaders, Democrats, the majority of Americans who disagree with his policies, of treason… .
“No Democrat, sir, has ever said anything approaching the suggestion that the best means of self-defense is to ‘wait until we’re attacked again.’
“No critic, no commentator, no reluctant Republican in the Senate has ever said anything that any responsible person could even have exaggerated into the slander you spoke in Nevada on Monday night, nor the slander you spoke in California on Tuesday, nor the slander you spoke in Arizona on Wednesday … nor whatever is next… .
“But tonight the stark question we must face is — why?
“Why has the ferocity of your venom against the Democrats now exceeded the ferocity of your venom against the terrorists?
“Why have you chosen to go down in history as the president who made things up?”
At this election, you have to wonder why the voters will vote GOP after all the scandals, lies and disasters.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
USS HW Bush christened! While His Peckership Clinton is still searching for his presidential legacy, George HW Bush just received his: all 1,092 feet of it.
Of course, this is the same man that skydived on his 75th birthday in 1999 while Sir Clintax was all bandaged up on crutches after falling down the stairs at a “friend’s” condo in Florida.
Poor Bill: the only legacy he has is telling fat kids to lay off Big Macs, and a library that looks like a psuedo Franklin Lloyd Wright trailer park.
Side note while watching George Steponanoctopus: David Corn looks and sounds like a shady used car salesmen, like most Democrits. They all have the same shyster beady eyes. I can’t stand ‘em…
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
I’m sure that spam from the Olberdouche isn’t going to win support outside of his 14 viewers, one of which must be the 11:33.
Does he even realize there is no Presidential election this year?
By Markus
October 8, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
All of my friends and family are well aware of the importance of the congressional election. In fact, I helped a friend in Missouri stir up his extended Republican masses in that fight for a senate seat to keep the liberal slime out of Washington. Hopefully, it will be the pyramid effect. It’s going to be an interesting election next month. Everyone I have spoken to in non-metro GA is still going to vote Republican, because they know the alternative, and as one said recently, “it ain’t pretty.”
Claire McCaskill (Democrat candidate for a Missouri senate seat) comment: “Bush let people die on rooftops because they were black.” This was one of her many comments about Katrina. On Meet The Press this morning, this same Democrit witch said that Republican incumbent Jim Talent was “politicizing” the war on terror with regards to her stances on how we gather intel on islamofascist terrorists (in short, she doesn’t believe in it).
So here out of one side of the mouth of this Democrit says that anything said negative regarding to her ideas on the war on terror are “politicizing” it, yet out of the other side of her fat cheek saying that black people died in Katrina because they were black is just fact (and not politicizing, let alone a blatant LIE). She wouldn’t even own up to an apology that Tim Russert asked if she would do (three times to be exact). That, according to her, is not politicizing. The sewage of the Democrit party has no shame. I suppose when you can “hypocrisize” your way into challenging a congressional seat, and enough ignonrant and unedumacated Americans follow you because you have a “D” next to your name, you are worthy of holding office.
Bob Woodward was less than impressive on Meet The Press as well speaking of his new book. In fact, he LIED: former Bush NSA Brent Scowcroft: “I did not agree to be interviewed by this book.” Yet Woodward claimed that he had an open mutual meeting with the man. “Uh, mmm, uh, stutter, hmmm, spin into another topic…” The jackass couldn’t DIRECTLY answer questions posed by Russert that challenged him on certain points relating to the book. If Woodward is such a passionate man about getting the truth out, how come he hasn’t spent equally as much energy exposing Democrit fraud, incompetence, and hypocrisy?
FoxNews Sunday with Chris Wallace did a story on the new Air Force Memorial in Washington, DC. No, CNN, ABC, CB.S., NBC, the Washington ComPost, The New York Slimes, et. al., didn’t mention a word about it. Yet, these “fine outstanding Americans” that seemingly care so much for our military didn’t even bring a story to it. I won’t be holding my breath for “Georgie” Steponanoctopus either.
I do know one thing about the Democrit party: whatever the Republican party supports, they are against. During Election 1992, Democrits (and their media whores) criticized HW Bush for not “fininshing the job” in Iraq by taking Saddam out. Of course, they had no choice but to make Bush look weak, because their boy was a draft dodger who never served in the military who was going up against a WWII Navy pilot (the youngest ever). Now of course, military service is important again to these mindless minions. What the hell kind of leadership is it to just take the opposing point of everything? No, Democrits continue to prove they have no vision for this nation other than to do what Republicans don’t support. That’s not true leadership and vision, that’s blind politics… and these buffoons say that WE blindly politicize things.
By macaca
October 8, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
The president jokingly likened the new ship to his mother, who is known for her feistiness.
“She (the carrier) is unrelenting, she is unshakable, she is unyielding, she is unstoppable. As a matter of fact, (the ship) probably should have been named the Barbara Bush,” he said.
“I’m just not sure if that’s more of an insult or a compliment to either parent.”
By Van
October 8, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Out here in Gwinnett, it is the illegal alien issue and the religious wars going on that no one want to talk about.
In this mornngs AJC, there ws an article about how many kids die every day in Darfur, but no where is it mentioned that the Sudan government is pro arab and muslim while the people in Darfur are either local tribal beliefs or christian.
The second tragety is that no one wants to voice what this war is all about, erasing everyone that is not muslim in Sudan.
By Business Week Online
October 8, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
Across the country, some teachers complain that President George W. Bush’s makeover of public education promotes “teaching to the test.” The President’s younger brother Neil takes a different tack: He’s selling to the test. The No Child Left Behind Act compels schools to prove students’ mastery of certain facts by means of standardized exams. Pressure to perform has energized the $1.9 billion-a-year instructional software industry.
Now, after five years of development and backing by investors like Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal and onetime junk-bond king Michael R. Milken, Neil Bush aims to roll his high-tech teacher’s helpers into classrooms nationwide. He calls them “curriculum on wheels,” or COWs. The $3,800 purple plug-and-play computer/projectors display lively videos and cartoons: the XYZ Affair of the late 1790s as operetta, the 1828 Tariff of Abominations as horror flick. The device plays songs that are supposed to aid the memorization of the 22 rivers of Texas or other facts that might crop up in state tests of “essential knowledge.”
Bush’s Ignite! Inc. has sold 1,700 COWs since 2005, mainly in Texas, where Bush lives and his brother was once governor. In August, Houston’s school board authorized expenditures of up to $200,000 for COWs. The company expects 2006 revenue of $5 million. Says Bush about the impact of his name: “I’m not saying it hasn’t opened any doors. It may have helped with some sales.” (In September, the U.S. Education Dept.’s inspector general accused the agency of improperly favoring at least five publishers, including The McGraw-Hill Companies, which owns BusinessWeek. A company spokesman says: “Our reading programs have been successful in advancing student achievement for decades; that’s why educators hold them in such high regard.”)
The stars haven’t always aligned for Bush, but at times financial support has. A foundation linked to the controversial Reverend Sun Myung Moon has donated $1 million for a COWs research project in Washington (D.C.)-area schools. In 2004 a Shanghai chip company agreed to give Bush stock then valued at $2 million for showing up at board meetings. (Bush says he received one-fifth of the shares.) In 1988 a Colorado savings and loan failed while he served on its board, making him a prominent symbol of the S&L scandal. Neil calls himself “the most politically damaged of the [Bush] brothers.”
By Meanwhile...
October 8, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
Meanwhle, Sonny brags that test scores in Georgia are up because we went from 49th to 46th in the nation. Um… what he fails to state in his ads: we moved up in rank because two other states got MORE STUPID, not because our kids got smarter. Sonny also fails to mention that the money he “put” in education replaces the education he “reappropriated” from education his first year in office… sort of. We must ask ourselves: how will dumber Georgians be good for the future of our state?
By Van
October 8, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
KO,
It all depends on which world you live in. If you live in the real world you see things clearly and without enormous shades of grey. In your world, it is 1938 and you live in Germany.
In the real world we see the economy growing, we see the good and bad sides to our Presidents policies and Congress’s inability to do anything important easily.
In your world everyone is spying on you, listening to your phone calls and has a track on which books you check out at the library.
In the real world we see the good and bad of life, while you only dwell on the bad.
I feel sorry for you and hope that with treatment you can join the rest of society.
By Mrs. RepubLady
October 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
The Republicans will WIN in November, whether you like it or not!
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
October 8, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
By Markus October 8, 2006 11:37 AM USS HW Bush christened! While His Peckership Clinton is still searching for his presidential legacy, George HW Bush just received his: all 1,092 feet of it.
In the interest of truthfulness, I must dispute this claim.
Former president Arkansas Rednekkks has several nuclear submarines named after him.
Chinese nuclear submarines.
The PRC “Groper” I’m sure is one of them.
By KO
October 8, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
“I feel sorry for you and hope that with treatment you can join the rest of society.”
I do not feel sorry for you or your ilk Van. You do not see reality and the destruction of this once great country your party chose to destroy.
I consider you and your ilk traitors and should be dealt with accordingly.
By Gwinnett Needs Improvement
October 8, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Gwinnett County is the laughing stock of Georgia. Now we have a bigger fish to fry. Pedro Marin, who represents Duluth, has joined the march along with illegals who protested against the new laws that protect Duluth citizens.
This is a true slap in the face and a stab in the back by a person who was voted into office to protect the citizens. Mr. Marin has turned on us in support of illegals who want to just be handed citizenship and jobs. The march was to make a voice be known that they disagree with penalties to companies who hire illegals and validate rights to work.
What is wrong with that law for goodness sake? It’s a step in the right direction in my opinion. I am insulted that a representative of Duluth would turn on it’s citizens.
By KO
October 8, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
The end of the madness and insanity is near
Van and his ilk has set this great country back 100 years.
By Janine
October 8, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Mr W>What a coincidence…Just so happens that I had a reunion-type happy hour with a group of old friends just last Friday. All political persuasions [ultra right to way far left], genders,sexual preferences, and locales around Ga. were represented. Although we differed on many issues, we did agree on an amazing number of items…. *[1] Politics [local and national] are riddled with liars and scumbags of all parties [2] Purdue’s tv ads with his wife and dog are disgusting but there is no doubt that he will win. [3] George W.has dug himself and his party into a deep , deep hole. [4]people who say W. is to be respected because he is being true to his religion and standing up for what he believes in are idiots….that’s what Hitler did!!! [5] ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A HUGE ISSUE IN THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS [6]SO IS THE WAR IN IRAQ AND IT HAS BEEN HANDLED ABOMINABLY [7]Healthcare is a concern for us all. [8] Social security is an issue because so many boomers are about to retire and have counted on SS being there. For most, their savings will not carry them through..many because the 401K’s didn’t become popular soon enough for them. [9] We have all considered not voting for anyone with INCUMBENT beside his/her name. [10] All were in favor of a National Sales Tax , some very pro the FAIR TAX of Linder and Boortz. Taxing spending and not saving and earning seems like a no brainer!!
By KO
October 8, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
What kind of American would place brave, young, American troops into a situation like this?
The worst American this country has ever seen.
By Van
October 8, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
KO
The anger in your posts point to a problem with self respect, a common disorder amoung liberals. The self loathing is common, take heart once you stop smoking, injecting or snorting the foreign substances into your body, the light will be turned on and you will see what a wonderful country we live in.
A country where a kid that barely made it out f hignschool and got kicked out of two colleges can enlist in the USMC and get out with a bankable trade, raise two great kids and remain married to the same woman for over 37 years. But, then again, since you do not hold traditional family values, you would not understand hard work and a desire to stick it out.
As a conservative, I see the greatness of our way of live, I am sorry you don’t.
By Van
October 8, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
KO,
“I consider you and your ilk traitors and should be dealt with accordingly.”
Any time, any place and any way you want. Bring it on.
By bon scott
October 8, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
I see the Usual Gang of Wingnut Idots from the Luckovich blog has taken up valuable space here. Led by Drunken Andy, aka “I Report, You Whine”, “The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag”, etc. etc. He’s got more names than the Marietta phone book. He’s always the first to change the subject, too.
But in that spirit… let’s criticize President Bush’s torture authorization and constitutional rights disembowelment bill, aka the “Military Commissions Act of 2006 (MCA)”. It was taken apart quite nicely yesterday by Wall Street Journal contributor Richard A. Epstein:
“Produce the Body” (Habeas Corpus)
“The average American naturally responds with a blank stare to that Latin mouthful, habeas corpus ad subjiciendum. But the phrase loses all of its obscurity — and none of its punch — when expressed in plain English: “Produce the body that it may be subjected to examination.”
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“By eliminating habeas review for Guantanamo detainees, the MCA has jettisoned the fundamental right of any prisoner to test the lawfulness of his detention. You may immediately object: Why, if ordinary prisoners of war may be detained for the duration of the conflict without habeas corpus — as in World War II, the Korean War or the Vietnam War — should the writ be available to unlawful enemy combatants captured in the war on terror? Because context matters. In conflicts between states, the prisoners are uniformed soldiers. We know they are combatants, we know what counts as the end of the war, and habeas serves no useful role. In a terrorist war, with nonuniformed combatants and chaotic battlefield conditions, wide military sweeps make sense — but only if we take steps after the heat of battle to allow detainees to challenge their status. Without meaningful judicial review, innocent people could be arbitrarily or erroneously imprisoned, indefinitely.
That would include US citizens, BTW
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“The MCA also sharply limits judicial review. The court sees only the questionable evidence that the government allowed the tribunal to see, which the detainee has no opportunity to confront. And even this limited judicial review kicks in only if the government (1) triggers a CSRT proceeding for the detainee and (2) carries that review process through to a “final decision.” The MCA does not require the government to do either. However, unless the government does both, the law allows the government to hold any prisoner — even if he is not an unlawful enemy combatant — in custody for the rest of his life, with no due process and no recourse to the courts.
“No one deserves that fate. Truth must count. Innocence must matter. A deeply flawed Combatant Status Review Tribunal process and an optional system of limited judicial review sacrifices both. Only habeas corpus review can fill the gap. Happily, the Supreme Court is likely to invalidate this part of the MCA. The Constitution states that the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended only when rebellion or invasion endangers public safety. That’s not the case here: A world of difference separates the risk of future terrorist acts from a present invasion on American soil. To strip the federal courts of habeas jurisdiction for individuals captured in the war on terror tramples a fundamental guarantee of liberty that the Constitution provides to citizen and alien alike. It makes a mockery of our efforts to advance the cause of freedom throughout the world, and will be seen, both at home and abroad, as a cynical exercise in hypocrisy.”
Not that the Bush regime is immune to the scourage of hypocrisy.
Copyright and fair use laws preclude me from posting the whole essay. And I wouldn’t want to tick off megaspammers like drunken Andy by doing what they do all the time.
But for anyone with access to a paid-up Wall Street Journal web subscription, it can be read here in all it’s splendor.
Remember, we are known by the company we keep, and by the principles that make us the USA, land of the free.
By I Report, You Whine
October 8, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Mark Steyn scores a touchdown:
And the answer to that is obvious. This was a honey trap (as they used to say in the Cold War) designed to leverage one peripheral figure’s squalid fantasies into political opportunity. It’s as predictable as the leaves falling from the trees, except that it only occurs every other autumn. Still, I take my hat off to the media and Democratic Party. Indeed, in the spirit of Bill Clinton, I take my pants off to them. It is a remarkable achievement to have transformed, in little more than a week, the GOP into the Catholic Diocese of Boston with Speaker Hastert as Cardinal Law and the page program as the massed ranks of 7-year-old altar boys. What an awesome force the Dems would be if only the ruthless skill and cunning that went into this operation could be applied to, say, national security.
By Van
October 8, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
bon scott,
Since the Supreme Court has decided that the slime balls behind bars at Gitmo, deserve Geneva Convention protections, your whole case is moot.
The Geneva Convention places them under military law and not civil law.
A little research would have provided you with more substance than the what you had.
By BE INFORMED
October 8, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Breaking News:
Rep. Tom Price (R-big money) breaks his silence on the Foley Scandal. Holding true, as always, to the “How to Be an Electable Republican” handbook, he addresses neither the issue nor the facts at hand, but blames the Democrats for the misdeeds of his GOP frat brothers. As directed, he musters an offened, harrrrrumph while stating: “There are leaders in the Democratic party who have tried to use this for remarkable political capital, and in a disgraceful manner. I would suggest, because of the kinds of activity that have occurred in their party in the past.”
Disgraceful indeed, that Dr. Price thinks so little of the people he allegedly represents. He has twice stiffed his constituents by failing to appear at scheduled debates with his challenger Steve Sinton, a man who prefers to discuss actual issues. There’s another one scheduled for this Tuesday. Will he show? Nah. “Democrats are disgraceful.” That’s all the Sixth District voters need to hear.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
“Not that the Bush regime is immune to the scourage of hypocrisy”
Oh the irony! Bonnie Scott finchie spams the board immediately after complaining about… Andy. Then she proceeds with her usual tactic of accusing ANDY of being a drunk.
Bonnie Scott Sybil finchie,
Scourage of hypocrisy*???? Did you fall off that barstool and hit your head?
Thanks for the entertainment.
By I Report, You Whine
October 8, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?
By getalife
October 8, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
Hey Andy,
A prank eh?
Have you ever been right about anything?
No.
Rethink your Reps. GA.
By getalife
October 8, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
Shees, even Steyn is losing his writing skills.
If you can’t trust the gop to protect the children from the gop politicians in their own house, how in the world can you trust them on national security?
You can’t trust them.
Vote Dem for trust on national security and accountability.
By Democritic
October 8, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Love your new blog. Like the rest the mentality of the blogs, the Dems will take it over soon…like, “we shouldn’ be concerned about illegals” “WE SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS!” What a cerebral disconnect.
As for the suggestion that the Dems stop the name calling insults…since they don’t have ISSUES to support they would have to shut up if they couldn’t espouse their hatred for everything Republican.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
Hey AJC filthy anti-American rag at 12:19:
Point well taken. It looks like subs aren’t the only thing the Chinese gained experience from in the open “back door” policy of the Clintoon administration:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2125489&C=america
By BE INFORMED
October 8, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
As for the suggestion that the Dems stop the name calling insults…since they don’t have ISSUES to support they would have to shut up if they couldn’t espouse their hatred for everything Republican.
Good point falsely attributed to the Dems. Please read my 1:09 — a solid example that the opposite of what you say is true. A congressman who votes however the majority whip tells him to 97% of the time, and wastes newsprint hurling insults as a defense for hiw own’ party’s misdeeds, is NOT an issue-minded man. He is a little flunkie pledge to the biggest frat on campus.
Where are the REAL AMERICANS who care about representing the people? Well, you won’t find them sitting in the Sauna at the Repubs R Us Country Club, that’s for sure!
By getalife
October 8, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
ABC News: “Every day, we find bodies in the river,” an official at the Swaira police force’s crime department told ABC News. “Most of them are of Iraqis living in the bloody areas to the south of Baghdad.”
Most of the corpses are young people who have been shot and then hacked to pieces, according to the head of the Swaira police force, who asked that his name not be printed.
Fisherman Mohammed Hussein told ABC News that he used to discover more than 10 bodies a day floating in the Tigris River where it flows by the Baghdad neighborhood of Al Rashdia.
“We used to fetch them out,” he said, “but now there are so many we leave them. Otherwise, there would be no time for fishing.”
Can’t let dead bodies get in the way of fishing time.
Shees.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
@macaca, getmolife, et. al. on your 11:42 response to the USS George HW Bush christening:
“The president jokingly likened the new ship to his mother, who is known for her feistiness.”
With all due respect to your attempted discredit to the USS George HW Bush and it’s name origins, it wasn’t Barbara Bush that flew those TBM Avengers off carrier flight decks as the youngest Navy pilot during WWII, was it now? You gutter Democrit liberals are pathetic beyond pathetic.
By CJ
October 8, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
Markus @11:42 “During Election 1992, Democrits … criticized HW Bush for not “fininshing the job” in Iraq by taking Saddam out.”
How ya doin’ Markus?
I’d like to ask you a s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c question. Can you prove this statement? Can you give us a link from someone other than known fibbers (Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, etc.) where this was reported at the time?
I followed the 1992 presidential election pretty closely and I don’t recall any Democrat saying what you claim above. I’m also unable to find anything on the net to confirm that. Any help you can provide would be appreciated.
Hope you’re having a good Sunday.
By I Report, You Whine
October 8, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
Markus: Even more so, I wouldn’t trust any warships commissioned during the Arkansas Rednekkks presidency, if there even were any, I don’t remember. Who knows what the pinkos did to sabotage them, a missile launched at some Chinese city would probably land in St. Louis.
By bon scott
October 8, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
And all you can fault me for is a typo? Bi Danish, I guess that must mean you agree with Epstein’s habeas corpus essay.
Thanks. We genuinely appreciate your support.
As for drunken Andy? well he is what he is (all 100 aliases). A spammer supreme. When he’s not defending and identifying with ex Congressman Foley’s predatory behavior, that is.
By BE INFORMED
October 8, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Breaking news: The voting record of Rep. Tom Price (R-flunkie) is indeed a matter of public record:
HR 3012 12-14-05 VOTED YES Rider for Labor, Health and Human Services appropriation bill that would ban all funding of stem cell research. HR 810 5-24-05 VOTED YES Banned all funding for stem cell research. HR 810 VOTED NO Voted against overriding Presidential veto of bill that allowed for some, limited stem cell research.
CAFTA 7-28-05 VOTED YES Among other provisions, allows US companies to freely export American jobs to Central America.
HR 5776 6-14-06 VOTED YES - Massive $286.5 billion transportation bill, including the famous $225 million “Bridge to Nowhere” in Alaska. Very little in bill for highway congestion, smog, or direct benefits to Georgia and the 600,000 citizens in District 6.
2005 Appropriations bill VOTED YES - Voted not to reject his automatic 2.2 % “cost of living” raise that increases his annual salary by $3,100 to a total of $165,200 per year. This is Price’s second raise in 2 years in Congress.
S 686 3-21-05 VOTED YES Overrode state jurisdiction and Florida state court decisions regarding Terri Shiavo.
HR 4167 3-8-06 VOTED YES - States no longer allowed to provide separate labeling of hazardous ingredients in foods; all hazardous warnings must be issued by the Federal Government.
HR 609 3-30-06 VOTED NO - Amendment to the extension of the Higher Education Act that would lower the cost of higher education loans to students.
HR 3893 & Liability Shield Language Amendment 10-7-05 VOTED YES to both Provided federal land for new oil refineries (no cost to oil companies); repealed certain EPA anti-pollution requirements as well as waiving restrictions and providing liability immunity for producers of MBTE a gasoline additive that poisons groundwater.
HR 3824 9-29-05 VOTED YES - Overhauls endangered species act; restricts Interior Secretary’s power to designate lands as “critical habitats”.
HR 6 7-28-06 VOTED YES - Energy Policy Act; provides $8.5 billion in tax subsidies to energy industry while oil companies record billions in profits, further lifts EPA restrictions on energy related pollution by energy companies; no relief for consumers from the high cost of gasoline.
HR 9 7-13-06 VOTED NO - Voting Rights Act extension; no to reauthorizing it. Approved restrictions on inspection by federal election officials of voting
HR Resolution 895 6-29-06 VOTED YES - Voted in favor of unauthorized, warrentless tracking of personal finances
House Resolution 746 4-06-06 VOTED YES - Resolution that tabled the motion to investigate House Member activities with Jack Abramoff; hence no investigation ensued.
House Ethics Bill VOTED YES - Changed the House Rules to require a majority vote by the Republican controlled Ethics Committee to investigate member misconduct, allowing Republicans to choose if they should investigate their own ethical violations.
HR 5682 7-26-06 VOTED YES - Voted to exempt India from restrictions under the Atomic Energy Act that prohibit trading nuclear materials and technology with non-signatories of the international Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
By Just Helping Out
October 8, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
By CJ October 8, 2006 01:38 PM Markus @11:42 “During Election 1992, Democrits … criticized HW Bush for not “fininshing the job” in Iraq by taking Saddam out.”I’d like to ask you a s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c question. Can you prove this statement?
There are many ironies regarding the seemingly inevitable war with Iraq. Despite wide spread protests around the world, the bellicose draft-dodger who appears to have gone AWOL from the Texas National Guard is hell bent on retribution for his father’s mistakes in the Gulf War.-DemocraticUnderground
By getalife
October 8, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
macaca,
You mean cut and run Bush. The reason we had to go back into Iraq.
By bon scott
October 8, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
By Van - October 8, 2006 01:06 PM - bon scott, Since the Supreme Court has decided that the slime balls behind bars at Gitmo, deserve Geneva Convention protections, your whole case is moot.
Van, since the Wall Street Journal deemed the Epstein essay relevant enough to publish it yesterday, I daresay this case is NOT moot.
And who knows how the Pentagon will interpet Bush’s inevitable signing statement, which will undoubtedly say that he is the final judge of any law, be it national or international.
Which I find rather frightening.
By Jim Wooten
October 8, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
RW, Rockdale Conservative, Rational, Janine, others: We may have a reporting crew here. Where was your reunion, Janine, and where do most of the people live?
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Bonnie Scott Sybil finchie seeker,
I don’t read spam. If you wanted to post a link with an opening paragraph outlining your position on the issue I might be inclined to pay attention.
As for your typo, it is not the fact that you made an error in spelling. It is the poor TIMING of the error that is notable.
Finally, you of all people are hardly in a position to complain about “aliases” - particularly, since unlike Andy, no one bothers to nickjack you.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
Jim Wooten,
I can report that the local issue that is angering my neighbors is the fact that, thanks to the incredible largesse of the Federal Government, unsold McMansions are now being occupied by Section 8 housing beneficiaries - this despite a surfeit of very nice “affordable housing”.
Yep, the poor saps who toiled away in order to purchase a home in a respectable neighborhood get (mostly out of state)deadbeats for neighbors - with the added bonus of watching their biggest investment plummet in value.
The final insult is that the neighborhood schools overflow with kids who use the school bus as an arena for daily boxing matches, and with punks for whom joining a gang represents the height of personal achievement.
While I abhor public housing projects and the inevitable decay that surrounds them, I fail to see why we need to provide them with mansions.
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
Van,
You have to know this about Sybil bon scott finchie. This freak thinks that every decision this country makes should be decided by a gang of newspaper writers.
He does nothing but call names and spam the place, doing exactly what he accuses others of so I guess you can tell who the alcoholic is, and then changes his name as soon as he gets in too deep.
Sometimes he even creates a second name to compliment himself. He is a sick mofo that really isn’t worth your time.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
Hi CJ:
I’d like to ask you a s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c question. Can you prove this statement? Can you give us a link from someone other than known fibbers (Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, etc.) where this was reported at the time?
“I followed the 1992 presidential election pretty closely and I don’t recall any Democrat saying what you claim above. I’m also unable to find anything on the net to confirm that. Any help you can provide would be appreciated.”
No, you probably won’t. Because these were talking points of Democrats on Sunday AM news shows, radio shows, and blogs here that then was called message boards of AccessAtlanta.
There’s a lot of stuff out there that has been said that’s not captured or kept online by someone. Especially by Bill Clinton.
Speaking of Bill Clinton, I was able to come up with a pic of him groping a flight attendant when I heard the accusation but had not proof:
http://www.samsloan.com/airborne.jpg
Regarding my Sunday, I’d rather be watching Green Bay than New Orleans.
By Jim Wooten
October 8, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish, in which county are Section 8’s being placed in McMansions?
By Van
October 8, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
bon scott, So if the WSJ published it - it is fact and true?
Try reading Charter III, Section 1, Article 82 of the Geneva Convention,
Convention III Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, Geneva, 12 August 1949
Art. 82. A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
and article 84 -
Art. 84. A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
But then again it is only the Geneva Convention and can not stand up against the WSJ.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
Here comes the spooky liberal media again talking about Cheney.
A cute Grim Reaper reference. Nah, liberal media bias is a complete right-wing fabrication. Nah, Woodward being a “reporter” is a non-partisan. Nah, David Gregory being a “reporter” is a non-partisan. Nah, the October Surprise in 2004 and fake CB.S. documents and Dan Rather “sticking by the story” is a non-partisan.
Yep, media slanting left is purely a figment of the imagination of the Right. Right.
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Jim,
I just got back from the Norcross Arts Festival and can report that the biggest thing that seems to be on peoples minds is whether to sample the crayfish or the jambalaya and where they can get the free superballs.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
Wooten,
Can I email this to you? I know it sounds paranoid, but there are a lot of stalkers out there who are particularly interested in details of my private life and I like to keep all details of my whereabouts confidential.
Although I would be surprised to hear if my county was the only one with this generous section 8 housing plan.
By Andie, You're a Fine Girl
October 8, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Me and Jeb blow you some kisses, and wish you were here!
Sailor George, launching a ship for his Pappy.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
October 8, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Greetings, everyone, including the regular Woo-ten KKKlan trash and the Stormfronters from Mikey’s blog.
Shouldn’t you chickenhawk chickenhawks being IMing little boys? How about going on mapquest and seeing if you can find your way to the nearest Army Recruiting Station?
By Jim Wooten
October 8, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish, sure. It’s jwooten@ajc.com.
RW, I think you’ve found the typical voter.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
Tens of thousands march in anti-Chevez rally in Venezuela. Wow. I hope Cindy Sheeplehead will hurry down there to her hero’s defense. Anyway, it sounds like a LOT of people don’t like Chevez. Wasn’t his election “certified” by that great leader, that second best US president ever, that dictator appeaser Jimmy Carter?
“Mr Rosales condemned what he called the cheque book diplomacy of Mr Chavez, accusing him of giving away Venezuela’s oil wealth to foreign powers.”
And Chevez has the gall to say Bush is “for the rich” only. He’s a Class A Democrit in the making.
Well, I guess we know now why Chavez and Ahckmajenidud have become so chummy lately.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4801521.stm
“But for now, Mr Chavez still enjoys a clear lead in opinion polls because of a sense of loyalty that poor and working-class voters feel towards him.”
Meh, I’m so sure those “opinion polls” are trustworthy and non-partisan.
By bon scott
October 8, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
By Van - October 8, 2006 02:27 PM - But then again it is only the Geneva Convention and can not stand up against the WSJ.
Van, the Bush administration has this annoying habit of interpeting treaties (as well as bills passed by Congress) as it sees fit.
Just because it’s in the Geneva Convention doesn’t mean the current administration will abide by it. And that makes the WSJ essay on habeas corpus relevant.
Bi Danish and RW— haven’t you got something better to do than attempt to trash another blogger? Your nails? The dishes, maybe?
By Markus
October 8, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Hiya anti-American liberal al Qaida! Howya doin’? So, you found liborat 8-track tape #4C again and talked about chickenhawks and recruiting stations.
So, how many Habitat For Humanity homes have you smashed your thumb on? So, how much money did you donate to Katrina evacs last year? So, how much have you donated to charity this year? So, how many African refugees have you taken into your home this year? So, how many solar panels do you have on your roof? So, how many windmills do you have in your yard? So, what kind of hybrid car do you drive? So, how many hours have you volunteered to help inner city kids get ahead in school?
So, what have you done for your country lately?
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
October 8, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Danish: Why are you so sure Wooten isn’t a stalker?
Al Qaeda’s Concubine: Al Qaeda Concubine October 8, 2006 02:43 PM Shouldn’t you chickenhawk chickenhawks being IMing little boys?
Welcome aboard the anti man/boy love bandwagon!
We always thought you spoon fed pinko elite liberals did not have such hang ups but that is the power of good, it eventually wins all over.
Perhaps you would like to hear Pat Robertson’s sermon about the “Teletubbies?” You should find lots of talking points to use in your “religious” crusade against Conservatives.
Can I get an Amen?
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
My apologies if this becomes a double post.
Sybil bon finchie,
Why don’t you scroll up to your first appearance here today at 12:52. I’ll save you some time, here’s how you started on the blog today:
I see the Usual Gang of Wingnut Idots [sic] from the Luckovich blog has taken up valuable space here. Led by Drunken Andy, aka “I Report, You Whine”, “The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag”, etc. etc. He’s got more names than the Marietta phone book. He’s always the first to change the subject, too.
Now tell us more about who is here to trash another blogger, hypocrite.
By getalife
October 8, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
Here is your typical voter Jim:
Excerpted from Newsweek:
“…The secret world of Mark Foley—and the denial and bumbling of the House leaders who possibly did not want to know too much about that world—is beginning to emerge in bits and pieces of lurid detail. What actually happened—from the moment that Hill staffers first became aware of Congressman Foley’s unusual interest in teenage congressional pages—is the source of intrigue, finger-pointing, shock, fear and loathing on Capitol Hill and of endless fascination around the country. No wonder: the political fortunes of the Republican Party hang in the balance….
…Republicans have been tripping over each other for days trying to get their stories straight on who knew what and when. The various explanations have only served to obfuscate. In the end, the Republicans may not be able to escape the irony of the Foley scandal. In 2004, the GOP helped get President George W. Bush re-elected by turning out the base, especially the Christian right, to vote for state bans on gay marriage. In 2006, the GOP may lose control of Congress because it didn’t try harder to investigate a gay congressman who was also a sexual predator.”
I do not think the typical voters are going to like this “family moral value”.
By getalife
October 8, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Or this…
By bon scott
October 8, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
RW, the last time I posted here about 2 weeks ago (a perfectly reasonable post that didn’t mention anybody else), you and your ilk responded with slander.
And you take umbrage because you were pre-empted?
Bless your heart.
By getalife
October 8, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
Help Congressman Foley protect our children
Yep, I do not think the average voter will not care about this blatant hypocrisy.
Amazing.
By CJ
October 8, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Wooten: “In your circles, what concerns to friends, family and associates express?”
Health care. The price of prescription heart medicine is straining the budgets of my Dad, Uncle and Brother. My sister is paying thousands of dollars for growth hormone shots for her teenage son whose height, inexplicably, went from the top 50 percent of his age group to the bottom 5 percent (his friends kept growing normally, while his growth rate slowed significantly and unusually at around age 11). My Dad paid thousands of dollars for heart surgery because he wanted to get the procedure from a hospital that specializes in heart disease (outside his insurers network). My entire family is either paying outrageous prices for individual health insurance or watching their employer provided insurance deductibles increase so much that they’d have to go into debt if anything serious were to happen. Despite his heart problems, my brother is on the verge of dropping his health insurance altogether because he can’t afford it.
Education. The AJC reported that Georgia moved up in the SAT score rankings, not because our scores improved, but because the scores in other states dropped. They also recently reported that Georgia lost jobs to North Carolina when a pharmaceutical company decided to open a plant there, despite our bid for better tax breaks, because North Carolina had a better educational system. To attract outstanding teachers, we need to pay them more…a lot more. Doing so would also attract more teachers resulting in smaller class sizes. Again…this would only be a first step. For the record, I seem to be the only one I know who is concerned about this. The children in my family attend schools in the north Atlanta suburbs where the schools score much higher than the average or median statewide scores.
Environment. Many of us are frustrated when we see land being clear-cut for development. Georgia has always been known for its trees, but local tree ordinances either don’t have enough teeth or aren’t enforced. We all know about the aesthetic impact, but this kind of development is bad for the air, the water supply and negatively impacts property values.
Taxes. Posters on this blog frequently mention the FairTax. Anybody who has listened to Neil Boortz for more than 60 seconds has heard him push the FairTax. His idea (and others) is to replace all progressive income taxes at the federal level with a regressive sales tax (that is for those of us who live above the poverty level). In fact, we should be moving in the other direction by replacing regressive sales taxes with progressive income taxes at the State level. In all likelihood, the so-called FairTax would be a tax increase for most Georgians and a tax cut for Boortz, Linder and a smaller percentage at the top. To confirm this assertion, supporters should learn the specific definition of their “effective” tax rate, then run the numbers to compare what they paid in 2005 to what they would have paid under the FairTax. In addition, there are so many inaccuracies with the marketing of this tax, I wouldn’t know where to begin. People thinking about this Boortz’ tax should read about the Canadian experience with their version of a consumption tax, the Goods and Services Tax or GST. Canada’s GST was introduced in 1991 by Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney. Canadians immediately hated this tax so much that they voted him out of office in the next election.
Congestion. Of course, congestion is a problem for all of us, and it seems, developers and road contractors are running the show instead of professional urban planners. This tragedy will continue throughout our region without some sort of significant political reform.
Of course, at the federal level, we’re all concerned about the national debt, out of control spending, corruption, terrorism, Iraq, Afghanistan, jobs, food safety (another e. coli scare in the news today), pension security, etc.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
RW,
I re-read my posts to Bonnie Scott Sybil and can’t for the life of me figure out what constitutes “trashing” unless she thinks catching an ill-timed spelling error is a vast right wing conspiracy which is all part of the politics of personal destruction.
Indeed, I thought my post was quite noble as it defended another person that she was…trashing.
By getalife
October 8, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
click here to see his website
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Sybil bon finchie,
Poor, poor pitiful finchie holds a grudge I see. Look you pathetic freak, all week long you come with nothing but your childish insults and you want to hide behind the fact they were done on the scribblers blog. Perhaps you would like to tell us that you are a different bon scott.
If you’re so sensitive maybe blogging isn’t your game. I know, let’s have a spelling contest…/paraphrased from Tombstone
By Van
October 8, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
bon scott
The only way the WSJ article is relavent is if you consider the sand fleas in Gitmo imprisoned under civil law or laws of war.
If they are criminals then habeas corpus would apply like any other criminal arrested for a crime against some penal code.
Prisoners of war or combatants captured during armed conflicts, fall under military law, if the military has a similar process then it must be followed.
In fact if you look at 8332.32 of the UCMJ, paragraph (b), it states -
(b) The accused shall be advised of the charges against him and of his right to be represented at that investigation as provided in section 838 of this title (article 38) and in regulations prescribed under that section.
Therefore your whine about terrorists rights is not relavent.
The buckets of festering puss at Gitmo have right protected by international treaty and any other terrorist’s bill of rights the liberal girlymen want to give them is as close to treason, without being treason as the Constitution describes it.
By Jim Wooten
October 8, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Good post, CJ. Lots of informative detail with the opinion.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
CJ,
“To attract outstanding teachers, we need to pay them more…a lot more. Doing so would also attract more teachers resulting in smaller class sizes.”
Err, classes are not overcrowded because we don’t have enough teachers.
“For the record, I seem to be the only one I know who is concerned about this.”
OMG - you’re kidding right?
“Environment. Many of us are frustrated when we see land being clear-cut for development….”
Maybe if you Libs didn’t insist on taxing property owners to death with death taxes these large tracts of lands wouldn’t need to be sold to developers.
I’m not even going to bother dealing with your ridiculous Socialist proposals for a more punitive “progressive” tax system except to say that if your ideas held sway we’d all be bankrupt.
Finally, that e coli scare on meats was for ORGANIC meats, just like that deadly spinach came from ORGANIC produce farms.
Damn hippies!
By RW-(the original)
October 8, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
You were also kind enough that you only pointed out one of his misspellings, unless there really is such a thing as an “idot”
By CJ
October 8, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Markus @2:15 - “No, you probably won’t [find anything on the internet about Democrats complaining that Bush 41 didn’t “finish the job” in Iraq]. Because these were talking points of Democrats on Sunday AM news shows, radio shows, and blogs here that then was called message boards of AccessAtlanta…There’s a lot of stuff out there that has been said that’s not captured or kept online by someone. Especially by Bill Clinton.”
Sorry, but anybody who follows this stuff closely knows how oulandish that assertion was. You know that most Democrats were against the first Persian Gulf War. I’m sure you have no problem reminding us of that. Yet, now you assert that after being against that war, Democrats were complaining in 1992 that Bush 41 didn’t “finish the job” by going all the way to Baghdad. With all due respect, I think you sometimes make it up as you go.
If you have to make things up to support your cause, then you must not believe very strongly in it. If you really care about what’s best for this country, I implore you, stick to facts.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
RW,
Useful Idots are the scourage of society. I wish I had a xenophone to get that message out.
By Markus
October 8, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
CJ:
“Sorry, but anybody who follows this stuff closely knows how oulandish that assertion was. You know that most Democrats were against the first Persian Gulf War.”
Yep, BEFORE the war happened, not AFTER it was “finished.”
“Yet, now you assert that after being against that war, Democrats were complaining in 1992 that Bush 41 didn’t “finish the job” by going all the way to Baghdad. With all due respect, I think you sometimes make it up as you go.”
With all due respect, I have a memory, not the least of which was being a contributor to the AccessAtlanta message boards. Perhaps that was before your time.
“If you have to make things up to support your cause, then you must not believe very strongly in it. If you really care about what’s best for this country, I implore you, stick to facts.”
My memory is all I need to go on. Just because your God the New York Times didn’t report on it, doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Besides, your ilk believed so strongly in a forged document case during Election of 2004, and even TODAY state, “well it was true anyway.”
No, methinks it is you liberals that tell lies often enough and long enough that even yourselves believe them to be true. Case in point, Bush is manipulating oil prices. Case in point, the economy is in the toilet.
I’m off to one of those “rich” social functions in Roswell. I’ll be around a lot off those “rich” people you people so despise on the left. I’ll be asking about their politics and how they feel about “progressive state” income tax that you proposed earlier in place of the Fair Tax. I’ll report back tomorrow.
By @@
October 8, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
Jim: Government was never intended to provide education or healthcare. That, in my opinion, is an individual’s responsibility.
Government was given the responsibility to protect it’s citizens. Crime is the most important issue among my conservative friends, and none of them would ever consider voting Democrat because of the “soft on crime” stance they portray in their domestic & foreign policy.
Think about it. When violence makes it’s way into our educational system, it has to be the issue most prevalent in the minds of the voters. When “illegal” immigration is rampant, and has been tolerated for so long. It’s a criminal issue. When abuse of medicaid & medicare is so pervasive within our system, and is allowed to continue, that is a crime.
When a sick member of society such as Mr. Roberts, precedes his heinous crime against Amish children, with a plea for understanding & sympathy by writing a suicide note, that later turns out to be a lie, we have evidence of something amiss in America.
Rather than our citizenry clearly establishing right from wrong, we have criminals planning to manipulate the system in advance of the crime by establishing themselves as the victim.
That kind of thinking can, in no way, support a healthy society.
By CJ
October 8, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish @3:45
As you know, you can’t take it with you when you die. I know that so-called conservatives like to call an inheritance tax a “death tax” for the purpose of marketing their idea to eliminate it. But of course, it’s not possible to tax a dead person. An inheritance income tax is paid by the recipient of the inheritance. I have to pay taxes on my income, and to be fair, heirs should pay taxes on theirs.
And, I’m sorry, but I think you’re reaching with your logic that clear-cutting is caused by inheritance taxes. Assuming nearly all people who sell land to developers are doing so to pay inheritance taxes (they’re not), it doesn’t follow that we can’t impose and enforce effective tree ordinances on those developers.
About your comment that not having enough teachers has nothing to do with overcrowding…please note that my suggestion was about reducing class sizes (number of students per teacher). Your response was to overcrowding (too many people in one space). — Two different things.
About my comment that I don’t know anybody who is concerned about education in this State…Jim asked about friends and family. No, I’m not kidding. Like most so-called conservatives I know, the people I know are not concerned about anything that doesn’t affect them directly. The children in my immediate family (kids, nieces, nephews) are in good schools, so they don’t care about the rest. Like you, they only want more tax cuts.
Your comment emphasizing organic foods…I’m not sure how that’s relevant, other than it somehow gives you an excuse to bash 1960’s college kids???
FYI, while the US population is approaching 300 million, I saw on CBS Sunday morning today that the number of FDA inspectors has dropped by about 15% in the last year or so (my stat may be off, but the point is, this statistic should be going up — not down).
By the way, over the course of the 20th century, America has had the most stable economy in the world…under a progressive income tax system. Yes, it needs to be simplified, but the principal is sound.
Thanks for taking the time to respond BD!
By Markus
October 8, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
One more thing CJ about comments that can’t be quoted from a direct source: I’ll bet you don’t remember when Geraldine Ferraro said that perhaps the Blue States should secede from the union and join Canada either. Or do you?
By Pillowbiters for Bush
October 8, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
What with Andie, Bi Danish, RW, Markus - it looks like the chickenhawk chickenhawks have not only taken over first the White House, then Congress, but Wooten’s blog too.
The perverted sexual identity issues of the majority of red state Americans has resulted in a government for the pervert, and by the pervert, and of the pervert that will not perish from America anytime soon, unfortunately…
By CJ
October 8, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Markus @2:15 and @4:24 — “these were talking points of Democrats on …blogs here that then was called message boards of AccessAtlanta…I have a memory, not the least of which was being a contributor to the AccessAtlanta message boards. Perhaps that [1992 election] was before your time.”
Markus,
The ‘92 election was not before my time. However, it was before AccessAtlanta’s time. Come to think of it, it was before the internet’s time (at least it was before the general public had access to it).
I think anybody following our conversation(for their sake, I hope nobody is) can see that you’ve been caught in a lie. I’m afraid your credibility is gone my friend. I’m sorry Markus, but that’s usually what happens to people who make things up.
By General Sherman
October 8, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
Good point Markus. My destruction of Georgia was not nearly thorough enough. My mercy towards the trash I encountered was the wrong way to go - with hindsight, the utter destruction and annihilation of the slaveholders and their co-conspirators was the only way to go.
Like our occupation of Iraq, the occupation of the traitor/trash regions of our sundered Union has only brought our great country heartache.
Alas, the redneck contagion has spread to the blue states, and I don’t think Canada would have us anymore…
I tempered my justice with mercy, when I was dealing with a degraded culture that only understands violence, blood, degradation of their fellow man, and wrath and vengeance.
I saw the crosses on their churches, and I was profoundly and utterly fooled by their mendacious pact with the Devil.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
October 8, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this
In bizzaro-Markanus world, Markanus has been blogging since her birth on several of the internets.
Markanus is too mentally ill to lie - she believes in every dumbass thing she types.
By CJ
October 8, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Markus @4:38 “*Geraldine Ferraro said that perhaps the Blue States should secede from the union and join Canada *”
If you’re referring to the quote on Hannity, I believe it went like this:
“If indeed all those blue states all got together and seceded from the union, think what would be left for those red states, nothing. There would be no educational system. You would have nothing. What would be left to you? I mean, where is all of this talent in this country? It’s on both sides, the Northeast corridor.”
I can’t speak to the rest of the states, but if red-state Georgia’s public k-12 education system is an indication, her point is sound (although her hyperbole was unnecessary).
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
October 8, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Last post I saw from Marcus said he was leaving for the day; what a perfect time to attack him, huh, Al Qaeda’s Concubine? Give us all a display of your inbred liberal cowardice.
Just like your president Arkansas Rednekkks, go running off to Canada until it’s safe.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
CJ the Greedy Socialist,
People who have the gall to work all their lives and leave something of value to their heirs already HAVE paid income taxes and every other freaking tax we all get hit with from cradle to grave.
The unmitigated arrogance of people such as yourself who think that you have the more right to someone else’s personal property than their family, friends and cats if that is what they so desire, is appalling and not a great vote getter for the Dem Party.
I quoted you directly on the non-existent connection between teacher pay and class sizes, so whatever you are doing now is twisting and spinning.
Your idea that “conservatives” don’t care about the quality of their own children’s education is patently absurd. We have different solutions - yours have a history of failure.
America’s success in the 20th Century is not due to its “progressive tax system”; it is due to the character of its people and institutions. We have managed to succeed DESPITE the impediments of progressive taxes, and thanks to Conservatives who very sensibly and fairly cut taxes.
The E-coli outbreaks HAVE been from ORGANIC food producers. That is a fact and all you have to do is read the stories to get to that. I find it wonderfully ironic that Hippie Farming Kills.
By getalife
October 8, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
“Passing on our debt to our children, surrendering our rights out of fear, starting wars of choice, and corruption are not conservative values. Hopefully, the near unanimous rejection of Frank Murkowski by primary voters, signals that Alaskans are tired of politics as usual. But, we must realize that the failures of the last six years are not just the result of incompetence; they are the inevitable result of putting people who have nothing but contempt for government in charge of our government”
I think our government has failed we the people and we should start over to limit their power. We should form a new government for we the people and not the Corporations. The founding fathers had it right but the current system has corrupted and abandoned their idea of democracy.
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
October 8, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this
Danish: Not only that but it has gotten to the point where our government uses our tax money to unnecessarily inconvenience us.
I can think of thousands of better things to do with my money than dig up the shoulder of the road during rush hour.
They have to find ways to spend our money now, they get so much of it.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
CJ,
One more thing I neglected to mention. If you really knew as much as you claim to about Georgia and Education, you would know that we HAVE class size mandates, thanks to Roy Barnes.
Perdue put those on hold until the post 9/11 economy had time to recover and they are now back in place.
In my opinion, they are a very bad mandate and will do nothing for our kids education except allow more teachers to be hired - which benefits teachers first and foremost.
Yes it would be lovely if our kids all had small class sizes, but given a choice between a small class size and say a cut in the curriculum, or split schedules, or building a new school, I’ll take a bigger class size ANY day.
By bon scott
October 8, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
By Van - October 8, 2006 03:36 PM - The only way the WSJ article is relavent is if you consider the sand fleas in Gitmo imprisoned under civil law or laws of war.
These “sand fleas” (now nice that you’ve convicted every one of them) are either imprisoned under civil law (which recognizes habeas corpus), laws of war (which the Bush administration has said does not apply), or they are being placed in eternal limbo by the Bush approved Military Commissions Act (MCA) of 2006.
If they are criminals then habeas corpus would apply like any other criminal arrested for a crime against some penal code.
The MCA puts them in a special category where due process, including legal representation, the right to confront accusers and the right to a speedy trial are denied.
Prisoners of war or combatants captured during armed conflicts, fall under military law, if the military has a similar process then it must be followed.
I think you’re in denial. The Bush administration is creating a brand new legal purgatory for these accused “enemy combatants”. Rather than even attempt to separate the terrorists from the bystanders, it proposes giving all of them open-ended sentences.
This not only runs counter to the Founding Fathers’ definition of justice, it pushes the US down to the level of regimes we despise; those who think nothing of locking up people on the flimsiest of pretenses and throwing away the key.
You may approve of this. I do not.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
CJ,
I neglected to mention that if you truly knew as much about Georgia education as you imply, you would know that we have class size mandates. They were enacted by Barnes and put on hold by Perdue post 9/11, but have now been implemented.
Isn’t it great! If one child shows up and brings a class size over the mandated limit the school is now required to hire a new teacher in EVERY subject.
Who pays for this?????
Yes, it would be lovely if our children had small class sizes, but given a choice between curriculum cuts, building new schools, or other necessities, I’ll choose a larger class size any day.
By Buy Danish
October 8, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
CJ,
I didn’t think my 5:31 posted so I re-submitted it in a New and Improved version.
Sorry for the double post. There is some mysterious key on my typewriter that is not the “enter” button that sends my compter into cyberspace if I accidently hit it.
Andy,
Inconvenience and in some instances, impoverish us.
I do wish they’d spend more on schools, but not in the way that CJ envisions. I’d like to start with a law that requires that schools have windows and that all our children, no matter what their age is, get a few minutes of sunshine and fresh air everyday and that nostaligic thing from the past known as “recess”.
Is that too much to ask, or is that a luxury reserved for Gitmo prisoners?
By CJ
October 8, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
BD @5:21
You’re not very detail oriented, it seems.
The person who died and left the inheritance paid taxes on his or her earnings and his or her capital gains (although that person did not pay taxes on any growth that hasn’t been realized by not having yet sold the investments before death).
Now, I know you’re not detail oriented, so try to stay with me here. The person who is still alive and inherits the estate (a different person than the one who died) is realizing this income for the first time at the time of inheritance, and that person has not paid taxes on that income.
BD, when I get paid, I pay taxes on my income which was was realized by revenue paid by our customers. These customers already paid taxes on that money when they received it, yet now I have to pay taxes on it too. So, if it’s fair for me to pay taxes on my money that the previous owner had to pay taxes on, then I think it’s fair for the heirs of estates to pay taxes on theirs, although the previous owner may have paid taxes on it too.
So, no - I don’t think I have a right to somebody else’s property. I think income taxes should be fair, such that income from working is taxed no more (and no less) than income from investments, inheritance, etc.
On the class size issue, I believe you need to re-read your previous post…you spoke to overcrowding, I spoke to class sizes.
No, I didn’t say that so-called conservatives don’t care about the quality of their own childrens’ educations. I said that they don’t care about the quality of education for anybody else’s children.
I did not deny that current e coli outbreaks were with organic food producers. I said that I don’t see how that’s relevant to my indication that I’m concerned about food safety.
On the fact that America’s success is in spite of our “progressive” tax system. As you know, I beg to differ.
If your definition of a socialist is anybody who believes that progressive taxes are better than regressive taxes, cares about the education of children who don’t belong to them and is concerned about food safety, then guilty as charged (although, that’s not entirely consistent with my understanding of what that word means).
By CJ
October 8, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish — “If one child shows up and brings a class size over the mandated limit the school is now required to hire a new teacher in EVERY subject.”
If that’s true (I have my doubts), then this rule needs to be fixed. Ahhhh, common ground.
Have a nice night.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
October 9, 2006 12:00 AM | Link to this
A chickenhawk chickenhawk like Andie calling other people cowards…
What a bunch of pillowbiting stupid poofs y’all are.
By Buy Danish
October 9, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
BD, when I get paid, I pay taxes on my income which was was realized by revenue paid by our customers. These customers already paid taxes on that money when they received it, yet now I have to pay taxes on it too. So, if it’s fair for me to pay taxes on my money that the previous owner had to pay taxes on, then I think it’s fair for the heirs of estates to pay taxes on theirs, although the previous owner may have paid taxes on it too.
CJ,
That^^is a stunningly ignorant explanation of how taxes work.
As for the Death Tax, if an heir wishes to hold on to items such as antiques, jewelry, and houses because they are part of their family’s legacy, they should not HAVE to sell them in order to pay the taxes that are demanded UP FRONT from the IRS, yet this happens all the time. This is in effect seizing personal assets out of…greed.
If someone CHOOSES to rent out the house they inherited THEN they will pay taxes on the income they receive from the rental.
By Markus
October 9, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this
Further CJ-
This is what I said in response:
“*No, you probably won’t. Because these were talking points of Democrats on Sunday AM news shows, radio shows, and blogs here that then was called message boards of AccessAtlanta.
There’s a lot of stuff out there that has been said that’s not captured or kept online by someone.*”
Now, what I DID fail to do was say that SINCE 1992…, instead of DURING 1992 [Sunday AM talk shows] AND INTO[internet blogs]…
And again, I know what I’m talking about here. Talk & internet chat. Nope, I never forget comments like that. Ever.
By JP
October 10, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Keith, thanks for stopping by this forum! Love the Olbermann special comments. Readers of this right wing trash should have a look and THINK about what’s being said.
On that note, is anyone as tired as I am of all the right wingers’ name-calling? Between ‘pinko,’ ‘commie’ ‘leftist’ and all the rest—give it a rest and discuss issues, people. What ever happened to genuine open and honest debate in this country? Have some class, if you can.