Thinking Right

By Brian Curtis

October 4, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Maybe I didn’t search hard enough, but I didn’t see the usual sneering swipe at liberals in this article. Where’s the condemnation that “liberals are behind all the bad attitudes and everything that’s wrong with this country”?

For pity’s sake, you can’t have a discussion without some unfounded cheap shots to start it off!

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

October 4, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

That’s all well and good Jim, but if I recall, the GOP has claimed sole ownership of accountability and Godliness with regard to running this country. It’s the hypocracy, stupid!

Time and time again, the GOP is proving to be just as corrupt, Godless and self-serving as the caricature that talking heads such as yourself continually paint of Democrats. When will the left and right come to some common ground, as you so often ask? When the right acknowledges that they’re just as bad as the left.

Here’s Cynthia’s column on the matter from today. I think it’s a little more observant than yours:

Drunk on power, GOP wrecks the public trust

Published on: 10/04/06 Drunkenness is getting a bad name.

A couple of months ago, Mel Gibson blamed his anti-Semitic diatribe on a state of intoxication. After resigning abruptly on Friday, former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) released a statement saying that he was going into alcohol rehab, suggesting that his sexually explicit overtures to teenagers in e-mails and instant messages were the result of a tendency to over-imbibe.

Presumably, however, Foley was stone-cold sober when he pushed for harsher sanctions against adults who do just what he did. As co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus, Foley had achieved national recognition for his efforts to protect children against sexual predators. Indeed, he was a champion of legislation that makes it a crime under some circumstances to use the Internet to entice someone under the age of 18 to engage in sexual activity.

No word yet on whether the House leadership was too drunk to expose Foley last year and force him to resign then. But I’m guessing that House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and his colleagues were also intoxicated— with their own power. The GOP’s stranglehold on the legislative and executive branches of government has not been good for them or for the country. It has bred hubris and encouraged abuses of the public trust.

On Sunday, recognizing a widening political scandal, Hastert asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to conduct a criminal inquiry into Foley’s conduct. Earlier, though, the Republican leadership had tried to evade responsibility — didn’t know, couldn’t have known. Among other things, they’ve said repeatedly that the communications they learned about last fall were not sexually explicit, but merely “over-friendly.” Some top Republicans — notably former House Speaker Newt Gingrich — even blamed the failure to expose Foley on political correctness. Gingrich told Fox News talk show host Chris Wallace that the GOP leadership would have been “accused of gay-bashing” if they had “overly aggressively reacted” to Foley’s e-mails.

Nonsense. Let’s be clear about what happened here.

A year ago, U.S. Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-La.) learned about message traffic between Foley and a 16-year-old page who worked for Alexander. The congressman turned to Hastert’s staff, who notified U.S. Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.), chairman of the House Page Board. Eventually, Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and U.S. Rep. Thomas Reynolds (R-N.Y.), head of the National Republican Congressional Committee, were also told about the communications.

In a series of Internet exchanges, Foley inquired about the page’s age, asked what the page wanted as a birthday gift and requested a photograph. For the sake of argument, let’s pretend the 16-year-old was a girl. (That removes the issue of homosexuality, which tends to distort the debate.) What responsible adult doesn’t view that communication from a middle-aged member of Congress as alarmingly inappropriate?

Hastert, by the way, is a former high school teacher and wrestling coach. He can’t spot a predator? (A sexual predator is just that, regardless of the gender of his or her prey.)

Instead of immediately demanding Foley’s resignation as co-chairman of the exploited children’s caucus and launching a full-fledged investigation, House leaders simply warned him to cease communications with that one teenager. They accepted his assurances that he was just a friendly guy whose actions didn’t merit further scrutiny. So when Foley’s sexually explicit messages were revealed in the last several days, GOP leaders found themselves accused of a cover-up.

Of course, sexual misconduct is not the sole property of Republicans. Bill Clinton tarnished his own legacy with lechery and lies. In August 1998, I wrote: “… if Clinton remains in office, his will be a presidency badly diminished, lacking moral authority, unable to inspire trust.”

Former New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevey, a Democrat, took arrogance to new heights when he placed his lover on the state payroll as homeland security adviser. Lacking American citizenship, Golan Cipel was not even qualified to sit in on high-level security briefings.

But misconduct is all the more likely when one party is clutching all the keys to power. From Tom DeLay to Bob Ney to Duke Cunningham to Mark Foley, the GOP Congress has been rife with corruption — a cesspool of arrogance, recklessness and disdain for the public.

Power is intoxicating, and an inebriated GOP Congress has driven right off the cliff.

By SPIN!

October 4, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

Here’s some SPIN!!

Jim’s too cowardly to actually address the glaring issue of failed leadership in his beloved GOP. So he’ll complain that all of AMERICA is to blame for the failure of the GOP.

SPIN, SPIN, EVERYWHERE THERE’S SPIN!!! but it’s not his fault, OPRAH brought him in!

By Jeff

October 4, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

AMEN! ‘Nuff Said

By harold

October 4, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

The Woot has it all backwards. When Americans look at themselves and ask “How have we contributed to this and what can we do to alleviate it” they are not playing victim. They are recognizing they have a responsibility for what’s befallen them.

To want only to kill the terrorists as Pure Evil is the victim mentality: “Oh my gosh they are horrible criminals and we are such victims golly we didn’t do anything except be free and they hate us for our freedoms.”

Big Woot does not realize that there is no “bad guy” in a war regardless of its methods. Each side believes (or at least sells its public on the concept) that it is the good guy. If everyone believes they are good, nobody is truly bad. They merely have different interests and values.

This war is no different than any other. In the face of the certainty of loss following the traditional/common means of military conflict, the other side has opted for a more effective means. This side can’t handle it or justify the countless billions of dollars on ABSOLUTELY USLESS tanks and planes and bombs that have only made the problem worse, so this side labels the other side “terrorists” which is nothing more than the latest synonym for “Pure Evil.”

So if you want to talk about victim mentality, look in the mirror and tell yourself the “terrorists” (aka “enemy against whose forces our military is ineffective”) are killing you for no reason and your country’s actions don’t have anything to do with it.

Likening Americans who entertain the notion that we are contributing heavily towards our own demise with child molesters is appalling. Big Woot should step back from the keyboard.

To believe that “the enemy” hates us for absolutely no reason whatsoever is just plain simpleminded foolishness. The only ones like that are the schoolyard bully, and well, we all know who the schoolyard bully is. Giving everyone a valentine on valentine’s day doesn’t change it.

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Good morning, all.

Leftists just don’t see it the way thinkers do; they explain bad behavior as “too much power,” instead of “too irresponsible.” Power does not corrupt; it merely allows corruption to survive, if there is nobody of character to change things. As the exchanges in the blog demonstrated yesterday, character explains how corruption is handled. Among Republicans, the tendency is to bayonet the wounded; among Democrats, the tendency is to circle the wagons and defend. Thus Nixon resigns, and Clinton defends; Crane is cast into political oblivion, and Studds is re-elected until retirement. In the Tucker column quoted abovwe ad nauseum, there is no Republican listed who did not pay a personal price. On the other hand, Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.

By Reece

October 4, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

This is one of those rare occasions where I substantially agree with you Jim. Blaming alcohol for being a predator? I say Foley’s giving drunks a bad name.

To push this up one order of magnitude however, let me say this. There appear to be several layers of people in Congress that have committed crimes and Al Gonzalez needs to make sure they’re going to jail and soon.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

it’s empty words without accountability or consequence

This is what I been posting here from the start of your blog Jim and on Mike’s blog.

The buck stops with the President and the gop. They are in total power and set the example for no accountability.

This fact is easily corrected by voting Dem in November for accountability.

By deegee

October 4, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

The abuse excuse is tired. Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Illinois, said, “the speaker’s staff let him down.” Additionally, LaHood went on TV last night and said that the fundamental problem is with the page program. He claims that it should be suspended. JEEZ, if that doesn’t tell you something about the character of the people in Washington then what does? Get rid of the pages because they’re just irresistable to us drunken pedophiles?

By Realist

October 4, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

First of all Brian, you are typical of the left and thier tactics. You take shots at Jim when he does make mention of left, and you take shots at him when he doesnt. Do you see how this undermines credibility? The democratic party needs to learn this lesson as well. Its why they are the party of nothing but opposition with no real platform or ideas. Just cold water being poured no matter what the circumstances.

Now, I have a confession I must make today. When I was 5, a black boy down the street beat me up with his plastic shovel cutting my lip, and left me in the sandbox crying. My mother treated the wound by pouring 16 year old scotch on the cut as my dad stood over me smoking a Cuban cigar and reflecting light into my eyes from his Rolex Presidential. Im glad Ive gotten this off my chest and hopefully it explains some things. Im really not to blame at all for who I am. I feel so much better. Im off to rehab now (the golf course) for my afternoon session!!

By MELO

October 4, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

A conservative dreams: One day Americans will take personal responsibility for themselves, their families, their financial affairs, their retirement years

I am so sure you wanted to saya conservative dream but it turns out correctly that this Jim conservative is dreaming for real!! Because it is a republican in trouble for indecent behaviour bordering on peodophilia,you regard this as an America problem, not a liberal problem.I thought you were the NO SPIN GUYS. Call it what it is:the GOP is the Grand Ole Perverts,or Peodophilias, or is it Party

LOL and enjoying it. The shoe is in the other FOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

By CJ

October 4, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

“A conservative’s dream: One day Americans will take personal responsibility for themselves, their families, their financial affairs, their retirement years — and most of all, for their own conduct.”

Another bazaar analysis by Wooten. Amish child-killers and Republican pedophiles remind him of those unaccountable liberals, take Janet Reno for instance, who just don’t get it when it comes to fighting the war on terror.

His conservative wet dream of “personal responsibility” is code for we have no responsibility for each other, for our kids or for their kids. So, just kill the Muslims, cut my taxes and don’t bother me.

The sky is NOT falling. Right Jim?

By Van

October 4, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

In a perfect world, people would step up and say, I was wrong and I accept the consequences.

They would not wait for a scandal to become public fodder or widely known on the gossip circuit.

We have seen a couple of instances where this almost happened. While for some it isn’t close to the “prfect” world, it did show shome consideration for their colleagues.

In my time, the first one was R.M. Nixon, a great President that got caught up in a coverup of a third rate burglary. While his intentions were good, he messed up big time. Before he was impeached, he resigned.

The there was Newt Gingrich, after ousting a democratic speaker of the house for a book deal, he fall into his own trap - he resigned as Speaker of the House.

Trent Lott, same thing, while having a fun time at a friends birthday party, he say something to praise his friend and the world comes down like a ton of bricks. He resigned as majority leader.

Jumping forward to this week, Foley of Florida stepped in it big time, and the leadership of the House pressed him to do the right thing, he resigned as Congressman from Florida.

Just a few poor examples of people doing the right thing. Afterward they all hemmed and hawed and gave reason after reason, apology after apology.

Oh, and they were all republican.

By harold

October 4, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

and before somebody says ‘did you see that harold said hitler was not a bad guy’ well from the point of view of his public whom he had sold the idea that “the jews are attacking us” (sound familiar? substitute “radical islamics” for “jews”) he was the good guy. as far as they knew, the germans on the street were just protecting themselves. just like we are protecting ourselves. we are the good guy. so were they. oh but they weren’t. perhaps we arent either.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

Van,

Not a perfect world, a normal world.

Wingnuts never admit mistakes.

That is not normal.

That is cowards blaming others for their failures.

By GLC

October 4, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

A balanced piece about responsibility, which is not limited to party affliation or political philosophy. After all, responsibility is responsiblity and in many cases it has consequences attached.

For me, this piece shows that while there may be reasons (good, bad, enlightening) behind a tragedy in the final analysis there is the perpetrator(s) and victim(s). It also shows that tragedies of the last week or so defy explanations in either partisan or philosophical terms. They are what they are. As such, there is a perpetrator and a victim. The former ought to feel the consequences of his or her actions… the concept of “communsurate desert” …if you do this then you deserve that.

By CJ

October 4, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

Van the radical Lutheran,

Your details are flawed, but the big picture of corrupt, racist or inept Republican politicians you painted is basically true.

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Harold @ 8:40, “Big Woot does not realize that there is no “bad guy” in a war regardless of its methods. Each side believes (or at least sells its public on the concept) that it is the good guy. If everyone believes they are good, nobody is truly bad. They merely have different interests and values.” Adolph appreciates you for understanding.

By Realist

October 4, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

To Deegee and others, The fun you are having at the expense of the republicans is really foolish. Are you not aware that this is not the first time this problem with the pages has happened? In the past, its been democrats who had this problem, yet denied denied denied and refused to step down. Just a quick sweep under the rug. At least the republican stepped down and are supporting an investigation. I think you guys need to read up on the history. Deegee, this would be why the gentleman recommended disbanding the page program. Its been a source of “concern” on both sides of the isle for decades.

This isnt a partisan problem. Its present on both sides of the isle and needs to be stopped and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If you people think the democrats and their bloodlust and power hunger are any different from the GOP, you are being naive. Men are men…..and sick is sick.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Day 3 of Pagegate on the MSM.

Of course, Hasturd is playing the victim and will not accept responsibility.

Typical cowardly pos but to be expected from the pervert appeasers.

I rest my case.

Puke.

By Ralphie

October 4, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

“Had I known then what I know now, I would not have undertaken the work.”

Forget the Oprah rehab talk Foley. The current Republican excuse is “I forgot” or “I didn’t know,” or “I don’t recall.”

My hero Ronnie Reagan started this, and although it didn’t work for me it has worked well for us in the past.

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Lest I paint with a brush too wide, I should note the conspicuous integrity of Joe Lieberman and of Zell Miller. Good people, and not Republicans.

By Neil Boortz

October 4, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

Angry white men in power!

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

I would love to hear a leftist talk about Mary Jo Kopechne. Death of a young innocent, entirely due to a negligent and probably drunken senator, is a somewhat serious matter, don’t you think. She would be 60 now, had she survived.

By SPIN!!

October 4, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

hmmmm more SPIN!!

just what did then-Speaker of the House TIP O’NEIL do when informed of the behavior of congressmen towards pages in the Democratically controlled House of Representative in 1983????

HMMMMMM…. oh, yeah, that’s right, HE STARTED AN INVESTIGATION, didn’t wait for almost a year, until after the press exposed the behavior…. IT’S CALLED LEADERSHIP and the GOP doesn’t have it.

SPIN SPIN everywhere is SPIN the GOP gets caught without LEADERSHIP again!

By harold

October 4, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Jbmlaw, Harold is going to Vegas and taking you with him. You will be Harold’s personal poker dealer.

By Van

October 4, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

CJ,

Flawed? How many democrats stepped down during their scandals?

By Dusty

October 4, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Gee whiz, Jim,

IT’S NOT MY FAULT that all the liberal dragon killers got up early this morning. They are running around spouting flames at every object, animate or inanimate. It’s a scorched earth policy. Make GOP folks into cinder blocks.

Oh well, what’s new? Not the rhetoric. Same ol’, same ol’ stuff. Since you know many politicians, would you ask them to notify DNC that new material is needed?

Maybe Dems could skip $$%&*^,X@$#^&%(+ and replace it with butterfly killer, petal puller, sunshine shader, etc. A few pleasantries wouldn’t kill ‘em. I don’t think so. But it would be a great shock to them and to us.

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Realist,

Go play golf - you obviously have no ability to reason or think. You post sweeping generalizations without facts and flat out make thing up.

Are you not aware that this is not the first time this problem with the pages has happened? In the past, its been democrats who had this problem, yet denied denied denied and refused to step down. Just a quick sweep under the rug.

Names and dates please? Oh, I’m sure you don’t have any.

Go back under your bed Chickenhawk and cry for others to fight for you and keep you safe - the boogey man is coming!

By peter

October 4, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

I agree with Jim, and have to say that one should take responsibility for what one has done…….so that then takes me to Dennis Hastert……..apparently he knew bad behavior was coming from Mark Foley, and basically did nothing, actually reprimanded him, and did zero investigation…….

So then who is responsible here, and who are the checks and ballances of the representatives that act badly, and embarras themselves and the nation?

Being this is a “Right Wing” forum, what is going on that the Republican party has now stood up to back Hastert, knowing full well he may have not done his job, and tried to sweep this behavior under the rug?

By Linda Schrenko

October 4, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

Whats with these trendy excuses? When I was asked why I stole money from deaf students I said point blank, “I NEEDED A FACE LIFT.”

By SPIN!!

October 4, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Oscar — 1983, one democrat and one republican caught engaging in inappropriate relationships with pages under the age of 18.

SPIN isn’t pretty on either side, sexual predator live on both sides of the aisle, and should be rooted out from where they hide, not protected by the anyone in Power.

SPIN SPIN EVERYWHERE is SPIN! Democrats will do it if they think they’ll win!

(surely you didn’t think SPIN was only interested in republican spin, did ya?)

By Realist

October 4, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Does Gerry Studds 1973 and Dane Crane 1983 ring a bell to you Oscar ??? How about Bill Clinton 1998? Or Ted Kennedy Chappaquiddick 1968? Time and history is full of these scandals on both sides AS I SAID.

Go f*** yourself pal. And while your doing it, read some history.

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

That’s right Dusty the dems are fired up and kicking repub A@# all over - and it’s just the beginning. Page gate is net going to be dropped until after the election! Everything Foley all the time! Rove and the GOP can’t make this one go away after a few days!

By the way why hasn’t the President said anything on Hastert? Pleading the 5th on this one? No leadership. And finally most Americans realize this!

By Realist

October 4, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Oh and one more for you Oscar, how about Gary Condit-D and Chandra Levy Affair and Murder 2001?

Im sure there are more if I think long enough….

By SPIN!!

October 4, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Dusty —

Thanks for playing yesterday on Luck’s blog. Your responses were at least witty — and they rhymed woo hoo!

By harold

October 4, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

maybe someday the Rs will learn from history instead of making excuses from history!

By Jim Wooten's Biggest Fan

October 4, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Cartoon idea: Show what appears to be our congress convening, and the speaker stands up and says, “Hello, I’m Dennis Hastert, and I’m an enabler”.

Then show that it’s only some senators sitting in a circle at a meeting of PEA, (Pedophile Enablers Anonymous), and they answer “Hello Dennis”.

By JK

October 4, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

IT’S MY FAULT. Yep. I did it. Mary Jo, Waco, Newt’s second wife’s cancer, the “faulty” intelligence that said we MUST invade Iraq immediately, the priests and youth ministers who molest, poor test scores, the dropout rate, the mi$$ing billion$, Hastert’s extra 50 pounds of unsightly flab, stains on a blue dress, Cheney’s mishap with his rifle, the big Tsunami, Katrina, your spouse’s refusal to make love to you anymore, hydrogenated oils, the movie “Waterworld,” and your nasty ol’ cat’s flea infestation.

That’s right! I did it! Blame ME! Then continue WHINING all day about how moderately liberal women who demand accountability and vote mostly for Democrats have RUINED America! Snerk. Waah, waah, waah.

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Hey dipsh#$ Realist -

Tell me which one of these were PAGES! you fu@%#ing moron?

You said, Are you not aware that this is not the first time this problem with the PAGES has happened? In the past, its been democrats who had this problem, yet denied denied denied and refused to step down. Just a quick sweep under the rug.

So which ones a page numbn#$yts?

By Realist

October 4, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Lets put an end to this. Here is a nice little article that cronicles the entire list of scandals. Even thought its a Wash Post article, you will notice the dems have the much larger number of scandals. Id stop throwing stones in glass houses if I were a democrat. But then again, with no shame or morals, they could care less that they look like fools accusing the GOP of something they have been guilty of for decades…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/congress.htm

By Dusty

October 4, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Oh, Oscar Wilde,

You sound so much like Camus of yeterday’s blog. Are you as wild as the orignal Wilde? You sound like the hair-pulling kind of wild.

Don’t know why Jim’s very sensible treatise on taking responsibility makes you so.. err.. wild. You are responsible, I hope?

But, as Kipling said “Ours is not to reason why.” That is the liberal motto with the addendum, “ours is but to lie and cry.”

Oh, Kipling’s first name is Rudyard. You can post under that id next time.

By Realist

October 4, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

By the way why hasn’t the President said anything on Hastert? Pleading the 5th on this one? No leadership. And finally most Americans realize this!

Are you f*** mental or a thirteen years old or what? The President has gone on record and was on TV backing Hastert and supporting a full investigation into the matter. You must be a stupid macaca MF or something…..

Go read or watch tv for gods sake….

By @@

October 4, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Jim: This won’t go over big with the secularist left, but I’m going to refer to our founding fathers and the wisdom they had for establishing a moral compass that should govern this country.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!! Secularists look at them as prohibitive guidelines against “free will”. Christians look at them as guidelines for “free will”. If you violate them, consequences will follow.

When the bill comes due, it’ll have your name on it and you’ll be expected to pay.

And for the anti-war activists here….the word “kill” is translated from the greek word “murder”. There’s a big difference. Thou shalt not “murder” (with malice of forethought).

So is it conservative thought or liberal thought that stands between free will & consequences?

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Don’t get all limp-wristed and literary on me? What if others in your trailer park find out you read?

By Realist

October 4, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Oscar, You macaca hoodrat, none of them were pages, thier VICTIMS were. Studds was an admitted queer having sex with a 17 year old PAGE, but refused to step down or even be censured. Crane was boinking a 17 year old female PAGE and was voted out in the next election.

Again, go read you stupid rapper wannabe macaca hoodrat….

By Th

October 4, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

We can go round and round about which party did what, when. It is all useless. Everyone should agree that people need to accept responsibility but often don’t.

In the earlier page scandal, an investigation was conducted, the two Congressmen were censured by their peers and both ran for reelection. You can blame the voters for the outcomes.

I think Jim is saying that Janet Reno’s apology wasn’t worth anything because she kept her job. I seem to remember there were pretty extensive hearings conducted on the raid on the Davidians, something we need to see more of these days. She probably kept her job because she had just started as AG when the raid was conducted and the hearings did not show gross negligence or incompetence on her part.

Bottom line is that it is often political suicide to admit mistakes and apologize. It is our job as voters to demand accountability. How many of you who are bashing Democrats for not demanding accountability are going to vote for a congressman in Nov. who is going to vote for the same Republican leadership now in place?

By Captain Freedom

October 4, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Jim, you hit the nail on the head today. There is simply no sense of personal resposibility today. That not-homo Republican Foley took responsibility and resigned, so why can’t the jackals of the left leave that poor Coach Hastert alone? He would not be in any trouble at all if other people (like ABC, NBC, and Reps. Boehner and Reynolds) were not being so mean to him and saying such awful things.

Even now, the bottom feeders of the left are using this as an excuse to attack one of our noblest and fine specimens of American Rectitude and Manhood. This is from one of those Frenchy blogs that clutter up the Internets…

**If the term “moral degenerate” has any validity and can be fairly applied to anyone, there are few people who merit that term more than Rush Limbaugh. He is the living and breathing embodiment of moral degeneracy, with his countless overlapping sexual affairs, his series of shattered, dissolved marriages, his hedonistic and illegal drug abuse, his jaunts, with fistfulls of Viagra (but no wife), to an impoverished Latin American island renowned for its easy access to underage female prostitutes.

Yet that is who Hastert chose as the High Priest of the Values Voters to whom he made his pilgrimage and from whom he received his benediction. The difference between Rush Limbaugh and Mark Foley, to the extent there is one, is one of hedonistic tastes, not moral level. Rush Limbaugh isn’t just tolerated within the party that stands for religious piety and moral strength. He is a leader of it, arguably the leader of its most righteous wing. Is it really all that surprising that a political movement that has chosen a moral degenerate like Rush Limbaugh as one of its most revered and morally respected leaders is not all that bothered by — and therefore actively harbors — the Mark Foleys of the world?**

Found this from some guy called Atrios, but I don’t think that’s his real name. Don’t you just hate when someone won’t even use their real name. It’s almost like pretending to be someone you are not.

By Ralphie

October 4, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Dusty, GREAT POST!!!

But didn’t you mean the THE THREE COMMANDMENTS?

By Captain Freedom

October 4, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Excellent work @@!!!

With this kind of close reading of the Sacred Scripture, I’m sure you can uncover a loophole that allows all manner of torture, too.

If not your stalwart intellect, you could pass this along to Atty. General Abu Gonazales or noted legal scolera John Yoo.

By Ralphie

October 4, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Sorry, If I would have known what I know now I would’ve known to adress my last post to @@, not Dusty. Please forgive me.

By deegee

October 4, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

The Mary Jo Kopechne story is tragic and disturbing on many levels. Her death should not be used as ammunition in a partisan whizzing contest. There are a few occasions that I can remember where members of the Kennedy family have been able to escape the consequences of the law, however they are freely elected and re-elected by the people of their districts. Ted was rightfully drummed out of a presidential race because people across the country can’t stand him for what he did to Mary Jo Kopechne. He, like all of us will one day answer for his sins.

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

I was just doing some checking.

It appears NONE of the scandals Real@SS listed involved pages. Thus his original statement was false and couldn’t be backed up with support!

1 to 0 dipsh@t.

Care to play again?

By Mid-South Philosopher

October 4, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

I am running a little late this morning.

The tragedies at Platte Canyon High School in Colorado and West Nickel Mines Amish School in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, have ushered in a new era of school violence. In these instances, the murderers, Duane Morrison and Charles Carl Roberts, IV, invaded schools for the purpose of assaulting and murdering students. No irate attitude, unrequited love, or even “bullying” appears to have sparked these actions. Instead, it appears that these two men were compelled to perform these acts by a “baptism of evil” that if one is a believer in the supernatural seems to indicate demonic possession or certainly malevolent influences. The baser nature of man makes one hope that these two men are now enjoying all the warmth of the Infernal Regions.

From such evil there is no prevention. Our religious leaders tell us that it can only be conquered by the Ultimate Good. Only by engaging and destroying its manifestations as they arise can we hope to protect the innocent, and even that is extremely hard to accomplish. Armed security in every school, a shoot to kill protocol, is that the way we really want to live?

By Jim Wooten's Biggest Fan

October 4, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Ann Coulter was interviewed last night (Bill Oreilly) and delighted in reciting the Democratic Record concerning Foley-style naughtiness.

She was in rare form, her eyes sparkling, her hair alive with sass.

Then she said we were winning in Iraq, and that everything is fine there, the only problem being the democrat criticism. She cited the three elections.

O’reilly let her get away with it.

She must be from the same state of denial Bush is from.

By Dusty

October 4, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Oh, Oscar, dear heart,

I am the literary rage in our trailer park. Do join in our study of Socrates. We meet at my place, the two story brick with the three chimneys. The guards will let you in at the gate. Please bathe before you come.

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

It’s been fun beating you down Reala@@ but I gotta go to the gym now! Strong mind and strong body - that’s my motto.

And Dusty I bet ole Albert Kamoo didn’t think like that! Oh wait, I think Dusty cut and ran. Looks like the dems were too much for her this morning!

By Van

October 4, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

deegee,

With the Kennedy’s, it appears no matter what they do - or don’t do - they keep their family seat in Congress. It is their right.

Or so it seems.

By Pat Robertson

October 4, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Captain Freedom, your 9:51 post doesn’t take one thing into consideration.

The Republican Party is the Family Values Party, so what you wrote doesn’t matter. How many times does that need to be repeated?

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

My apologies Dusty,

It seems you didn’t cut and run.

I don’t care much for sowkratees or playdo. But I do love doublewides, especially with plush upgrades like 3 chimknees. I’ll come over, but please put your pitbulls up before I pass through your chainlink security fence.

Now, I really must be off!

By Camus

October 4, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Dusty had so much fun with her sharp detective work yesterday that she tries again today by equating me with the poster Oscar Wilde.

Nice try, ptitsa, but no cigar.

By Dusty

October 4, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Oscar,

Have fun at the gym. I bet they like your tatoos.

By the way, Democrats are the “Cut & Run Crowd”, soon to be the minority Dirty Dozen in Congress. I wouldn’t be caught associating with that crowd. Sniff!!

By Realist

October 4, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

This is funny. This is your ignorant macaca constituency democrats! Oscar Wilde, who in plain english, cant or wont grasp that PAGES were involved in both the Studds and Crane scandals….unbeleivable!

Enjoy your pilates you homo hoodrat freak. When you go to the bathroom urinal today, DONT EAT THE BIG WHITE MINT.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

October 4, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

The Pope will weigh in later with a more substantive response on this important issue, but meantime, my redneck GOP friends, ponder these:

With regard to the whole notion of personal responsibility, wouldn’t it have been better for Representative Pedofoley to have just bent over and take his punishment like a man, rather than this hooha about rehab?

And,

Why do you GOPers want to blame ALL of us for Representative Pedofoley, when it is YOU that support his party financially and with your votes?

By peter

October 4, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA Family Values party………HA HA HA…….

By Van

October 4, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

SPIN!! - your 9:32 post.

Studds, a democrat, played around with a boy and got reelected. Dane Crane, a republican, played around with a girl and the voters canned him.

I guess Democrat voters are more tollerant with perverts than the Republican voters

By GodHatesTrash

October 4, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

If your family consists of drunken anti-Semites and alcoholic chickenhawk chickenhawks, then the GOP most definitely represents your family values.

Trash.

By deegee

October 4, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

And….while we are talking about victims here is what’s happening in Iraq.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/04/africa/MEGENIraq.php

By Dusty

October 4, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Realist,

Watch your mouth. You will make Oscar Wilde splutter all over his white ruffled shirt. That will ruin the lace.

Remember now. He has a delicate constitution of liberal weakness.

By Realist

October 4, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Thats right Deegee. War is going on in Iraq. That means deaths, bombs, gunfire, etc. Didnt you know?

Listen more carefully to Mr. Bush ok. Since you missed it, I will quote him for you. “We are at war”!

Thanks for that breaking news story though. Very insightful.

By Seriously

October 4, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Dems more tolerant of pervs???????

Republicans put known gay, known page “friend” Mark Foley into the chairmanship of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children!!!!

By Camus

October 4, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

At this point, is there anyone who reads the newspaper or watches TV who does not know what ‘macaca’ means?

Not likely.

Thus does Realist reveal himself utterly, using what he thinks is a cute and acceptable alternative to his preferred word ni**er.

As the Republican Party accelerates its death spiral, watch now for the naked display of what truly matters to this gang. Their language will become more extreme (hard to imagine, I realize) and their unthinking habit of projecting their own weaknesses and sins upon their enemies — i.e., anyone who dares think differently from them — will escalate in frequency and intensity.

But of course, it will never be their fault. No, for that crowd, personal responsibility is something to be preached, but never put into practice.

By Chickenhawk Chickenhawks for Bush

October 4, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

We’re patriots, and we’d like to spend a little quality time with your teenage boys getting them ready for the upcoming draft, since we need them to fight this war for us for the next decade or so… have your boy text us at AIM maf54. Or Chimpy1600Pa.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Fox labels Foley as a Dem

How pathetic is that?

By @@

October 4, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

This is too funny and predictable from leftists.

DON’T MENTION GOD, BY:god We’ve got a better plan. We will allow no guidelines but the ones WE ESTABLISH and we’ll decide who’s responsible for what and the punishment deserved.

The revelations of man!!! But your enthusiasm and failure to recognize your own “gawdly” reflection, left me smiling.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Realist is a 32 year old, healthy chicken sh-it. We are at war. Enlist or STFU.

Coward.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

crusty,

It was Frist waving the white flag in Afghanistan. Cowards.

spit

By Realist

October 4, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Camus, You ignorant a*ss, Im using the word Macaca because the person with which I was corresponding (note that it wasnt YOU) often uses Macaca on a daily basis under one of his other numerous ID’s on this site.

Know what you are talking about before you go spewing bullsht and trying to sound like you know something about me. You dont know me, and you dont want to. When I want to call someone a n*ger Id do it outright, not sidestep around it. Do you understand me? Good.

As far as personal responsibilty, I work and own a business and have a nice life and take care of my family. Thats being personally responsible. If I stomp a mudhole in your a*ss or beat some pervert half to death with my 5-Iron for looking twice at my son, then Id go to jail, again taking responsibilty. So you see, Im just full of personal responsibilty.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Already today we have a dead Irish homosexual jailed for sexual abuse of young men and a dead Frog eating and snail munching Algerian loving existentialist (look it up feminazi JK) as the latest dumbarse ids from the hate pig sociopathic left.

And L. Cpl Syphilis is already back to its obsessive, pathetic execrable attempts to play the definitive, trucculent, right wing conservative when everyone knows its a sad inadequate very lonely Bush hating cretin.

Brainless Curtis, after its appalling intellectual dishonesty yesterday is back to the leftist crack pipe morality today, actually sneering at Jim for NOT factually citing liberals for their sleaze/lies/corruption etc.

Funniest and most predicktable of all was NAMBLA rednekkks whining about being exposed for lying YET AGAIN about its unhinged cowardly use of multi ids.

This ‘montage’ of leftist nutters pefectly evinces just why the left NEVER EVER takes responsibility for anything!!

Which is why the sociopathic left left a homosexual teenage boy molestor who took his victim to Portugal to abuse him sitting unchalleneged in the Mass congressional delegation. Why the drunken underwater driving killer Kennedy is still drunkenly lecturing folks on morality on the senate judiciary committee. Why Fwank - a self confessed far left poof that enabled homosexual pimping on the taxpayers dime is still slithering around in congress, also lecturing folks on morality

The party of hate as the demoNcrats have always been is now targetting the Speaker and noisily smearing him with concerted, empty, very loaded suggestions suggesting wrong doing with NO proof at all. The demoNcrats always utterly refuse to take moral and legal responsibility for their actions.

The most recent Kennedy drunk appeared endlessly bleating on TV wailing about how it was a poor liberal victim that needed rehab yet again. After it got preferrential treatment from Capitol Police bigwigs. The odious racist bigot McKinney literally punches a cop - then hysterically and giutlessly alleges racism to get blakcs all riled up and is allowed to get off scott free, solely because she’s black - even though she is a proven racist and an anti-semitic thug who fired a jew overnight solely because he’s a jew!!

Republicans in congress ALWAYS take responsibility i.e. resign for their actions - and those that dont are actually made to take responsibility by either the leaders or ultimately their consituents - unlike so often in the case of the demoNcrats. Gary Condit refused to do the honourable thing and quietly resign. Sick Willie lied and intimidated witnesses and repeatedly lied to the American people rather than admit his desipcable behaviour. And sick Willie still blames others for the consequences of his depraved behaviour.

THis is why the left is so utterly despised in this country and why they become so enraged with those that courageously point out their endemic hypcocrisy, their moral cowardice, their dissembling, their constant lies and their glib acceptance of anything they want to do - regardless of the cost to others or the legal sanctions that apply to everyone else!!

LIBERALS ARE THE SOCIAL MAGGOTS OF OUR DAY!!

By Dana

October 4, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

I find it sad that we (note to tftt - I am referring to all the posters in this blog today) have to make this a partisan issue. There are amoral, selfish, and deliberately destructive people in every walk of life, in every political division.

It is somewhat amusing to see all the spinning and finger pointing in the far right camp at the moment, and I admit there is a certain irony about Foley et al. But lest those from the far right forget - let me mention the Kennedy Clan before anyone attempts to point too hard at the GOP.

There CAN be personal responsibility AND caring/respect for your neighbor at the same time. It absolutely appalls me that anyone would use childhood abuse as an excuse to commit crimes, or would hide behind alcholism. The fact that we have so many criminals who point to childhood abuse COULD serve as a wake up call that we need to do a better job at protecting our children. Instead, some Americans are using it as a way to pardon the offenders. Well, ya know, I’d have had some sympathy if the freak at the Amish school had say, shot himself in a field, or jumped off a roof, but he lost any compassion I may have had when he planned and deliberately set up those little girls, with the intention to molest them, and then killed them. Nope - no compassion from me! And the excuse that his grief over the loss of his child exacerbated his condition fills me with rage.

Foley may be an alcoholic, and if he is, that has nothing to do with his prediliction for molesting children. I might buy that he is an alcholic BECAUSE he is a molester, but not the other way around. And I think he belongs in prison, not in an alchohol treatment facility.

There is nothing we can do to change what has already happened to those people who have been harmed, other than to perhaps find a way to offer the best possible counseling. What we absolutely MUST do is educate ourselves, protect our children, AND OUR NEIGHBORS CHILDREN, and absolutely NOT tolerate any further abuse.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Republicans in congress ALWAYS take responsibility i.e. resign for their actions

BS time for the perverts.

Hasturd and his fellow pervert enablers will not resign.

Wanker.

spit

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Realfake,

Im just full of personal responsibilty.

Full of chicken sh-it.

Coward.

spit

By peter

October 4, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

“Liberals are the social maggots of our day”!!!!!………HA HA HA…..and “we are at war” HA HA HA….

Yes WE started a war thus we are at war…….gee the lies come from both sides…….

These posts get funnier and funnier……..but one thing IS for certain……

there are lots of VERY ANGRY right wingers that spew tons of HATE!

This MUST be the “Family Values” we get to hear so much about!

By Dana

October 4, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

er - I meant “far left” in that reference to the Kennedy’s….

By Rich

October 4, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Responsibility? Is that like the ability of adequate response?

Well hell yea the liberals are lacking.

I see that when I visit here.

Raging incoherency. The liberal contribution to society.

By Glory Hole Bandit

October 4, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Getalife, You didnt spit at the rest stop the other night did you baby?

By Camus

October 4, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Earlier, I implied that our unhinged friend Realist is a racist. To rebut that, he writes:

“When I want to call someone a n*ger Id do it outright, not sidestep around it. Do you understand me? Good.”

Thanks for clearing your good name, sir.

Realist also wrote: “You dont know me, and you dont want to.”

Truer words have never been written.

But alas, I know this man, and his ilk, all too well. He is the backbone of the degenerate Republican Party, a cauldron of tiny resentments and small-minded hatred that would erupt in violence if only he had an ounce of personal courage. But if he did, he would be off fighting this War On Terror that he is so passionate about.

In short, a coward.

By mo

October 4, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

This thread reads like this:

The actual column had a degree if civility. Then, someone comes in and point out the talking points that were left out. Next, someone with a differing viewpoint start to show the hypocrisy of the statements. Then, someone will start name-calling. And then, someone will counter and the whole discussion will be a name-calling match.

And we, as moderates, are once again left out of the conversation…

By getalife

October 4, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Glory Hole Bandit,

Foley, is that you?

Typical disgusting wingnut perversion.

Tell me wingnuts, what do you tell your children about Foley?

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

as ever I see the putrid maggotbrain is incapable of addressing the numerous FACTUAL points in my post!!

tell us maggotbrain - why did the evil liberal party of hate allow a sick child molestor (Studds) who abused a boy in Portugal to remain in their party and in congress, even after this liberal NAMBLA type freak literally turned his back and ignored the congressional slap on its child abusing limp wrist??!!

By Realist

October 4, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

I think you leftist freaks are confusing family values meaning. One can have and stand for family values, but still fight and use violence and physical conflict to protect them.

Dont confuse family values with peace, love, harmony and good weed for every man woman and child. You leftist freaks have that market cornered.

By Dana

October 4, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Mo@ 11,

Maybe we (moderates) need to start our own blog. I’m a bit tired of so much fingerpointing and so little solution finding. But then, there are the rare occasions I see an opinion that, while different from mine, is respectable. Sadly, it just hasn’t happened much lately.

lol… cue the predictible name calling and invitations to leave!

By Chazman

October 4, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Classic - Time For The Crap calls democrats the “party of hate” while spewing hate-filled ramblings, and ends her post stating liberals are the social maggots of our day. Wow, sounds like she “hates” liberals. So predictable.

By Pat Robertson

October 4, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Rich great comments, thank you. “Raging incoherency. The liberal contribution to society” I got a good chuckle out of that.

After we take out Chavez, and a hurricane destroys Florida because of Foley, I think liberals will go down next, evolution defeated. God will probably use the flu again. Ironic.

By Chazman

October 4, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

GOP - Gropers Of Pages

By getalife

October 4, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Lets face it folks, wingnuts are a bigger enemy to our children than the terrorists.

They must be treated as enemy combatants, sent to Gitmo, tortured until they confess and left to rot in prison.

We must purge society from these evil doers and stay the course until they are gone.

By harold

October 4, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

harold hopes the dmeoncrats are maggots— somebody’s gotta get rid of this world of sh1t the Rs have created for us, and maggots are the ones to do it!

By deegee

October 4, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Why can’t political christians be more like the Amish christians?

By Series of Tubes

October 4, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Republican coherency…….

Senator Ted Stevens, Republican, on the floor of the Senate……….

Ten movies streaming across that, that internet, and what happens to your own personal internet? I just the other day got…an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o’clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday. Why? […] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a big truck.

Its a series of tubes

And if you don’t understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it’s going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

By Van

October 4, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Dana,

With great regret I must inform you that this is a far left newspaper and they just tolerate the right wingers. I doubt that the democrats even recognize moderates. To them a conservative democrat is a right wing nut case, re: Lieberman. While those knee deep in scandal are their core believers.

If Foley had stood his ground and denied the IM’s were his and denied the emails amounted to criminal activity and if he was a democrat, he would still be in congress and wanting privacy regarding his boy toy, like Studds did.

The right does not want this type of person in Congress, while it is okay for the lefties to embrace the most vile and perverted of the lot.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

WOW crapman deploys the utterly predictable effete “she” jibe. Such stunning Simpsonian originality there crapman - you must be getting the dnc queer cyber hit squad to script your pansy posts for ya!!

It also completely ignores the factual points made about demoNcrat lies, hypocrisy, page boy molesting in Portugal, the enabling of homosexual pimping by Fwank, drunken DUI manslaughter and leaving the scene of a fatal accident - as well as other liberal depravity not mentioned, such as how sick Willie raped two women - one in England and one innocent lady (twice) in a hotel room in Little Rock.

Still credit where credit is due - crapman is the ever loyal leftist vermin and just glosses over all this and happily and unquestioningly accepts all demoNcrat depravity.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

go back to your Cobb County buttock bouncing and irrational drunken hatred of cars harold and leave the political thinking and commentary to us vastly smarter conservative betters, who unlike you aren’t prevented from voting under state mental health statutes.

Better still have a nice autumnal day out in Helen GA.

By Van

October 4, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

deegee,

We try, but sometime the lefties just drive us up the wall.

By Van

October 4, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Series of Tubes,

He sounds just like the KKK’er Robert Byrd, Democrat form west Virginia.

Both seems full of cr*p.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

YET MORE SICK LIBERAL PERVERSION!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100400287.html

note this demoNcrat pervert cynically invokes his religion to help him “spin” this - just as sick Willie did carrying his bible and emerging from church for the lefist TV cameras just before or after sick cigar games with the ugly heffalump Monica!!

the hypocrisy of these leftist scumbuckets knows no end!!

maybe this demoNcrat will resign and go quietly with dignity!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA

demoNcrats if they’d seen sick Willie actually raping a woman on video whilst in White House they would still deny it and try and spin it so sick Willie would be able to keep its job.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

remember ALL THIS LIBERAL PERVERSION??!!

funny how the demoNcrats on here glibly run away from all this

http://www.humanevents.com/lists.php?id=17357

By Van

October 4, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

Now, now, body paint as the only article of clothing does not come up to typical democrat standards for scandals. After all he is only a state senator and has to start somewhere.

By Markus

October 4, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Top 10 RAT sex scandals… ask yourself the million dollar question: how many of these pukes accepted personal responsibilty and volunteered to step down?

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Dana @ 10:50, you sound even more conservative (no offense intended) than I do today. Well-written, the most intelligent words on the blog today.

On the other hand, I am disappointed with JK. She has been pretty solid, ethically, but the death of Kopechne seemingly means little to her, suggests that no consequences should flow therefrom. I know I take death pretty seriously.

By Chazman

October 4, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Time For The Crap - you’re the one talking about the party of hate while you spew your hate-filled posts. And I am truly sorry about the “she” references. It’s just every time I think of you, I picture a cranky old lady b*** and whining, sitting with a pic of Tricky Dick Nixon hanging on the wall.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Van

hopefully this demoNcrat will suffer as a result of the Foley situation and will either lose his seat or actually (dont hold your breath folks) be hounded out by local outraged demoNcrats. It is W.V. after all - not the liberal freakshow Kalifornia or the homo paradise of Mass.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Van

hopefully this demoNcrat will suffer as a result of the Foley situation and will either lose his seat or actually (dont hold your breath folks) be hounded out by local outraged demoNcrats. It is W.V. after all - not the liberal freakshow Kalifornia or the homo paradise of Mass.

By JK

October 4, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

<Yawn!> ONE Republican (when confronted by a techno-trail) cops to being slimy before blaming alcohol and childhood trauma, and the Poo Posse spends ALL WEEK screeching DEMOCRATS ARE SLIMY! DEMOCRATS ARE SLIMY!

What EXACTLY might your actual POINT be, Markus, Troof, and the rest of the Our-fingers-are-the-only-thing-that-point Club?

By Zig Zag

October 4, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Just to let you all know.

Im back to being a Democrat for a while.

Love ,ZELL

By ohnoyoudidnt

October 4, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Fact: 27 MORE examples of big-shot republican perverts, from mainstream newspapers:

Serial killer/rapist Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks, an advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican St. Louis Election Board official Kevin Coan was arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative, was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.

Republican legislator, Richard Gardner, a Nevada state representative, admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

By Theeny

October 4, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

I am simply enjoying watching the GOP melt down. For all their claims of morality and Godliness, they are no more moral and no more on the right side of God than anybody else.

And for all you right-wingers who bought into the fantasy, let it go.

By Van

October 4, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Markus,

You forgot the big one, Lying to a federal judge under oath, Bubba Clinton.

By Cam-run

October 4, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Individual responsibility? The Democrats have a hard time finding that one. No doubt when they find it, they’ll get to define it too.

Soupe du jour.

By Camus

October 4, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Dana,

It would be great if the moderates would participate more, if only to outwiegh the spew from the likes of TFTT and Rednecks. And despite the brush that Dusty and her gang would use to tar me, I consider myself a moderate. But being a moderate does not require one to accept all opinions and commentary as having equal value.

It is not being moderate when we allow extremist positions to pass without challenge. When a guy like Realist proudly proclaims his affection for racist invective, or describes in detail the kind of horrific violence he would like to inflict with his 5-iron, moderates need to call him out and identify him for what he is — a racist with a violent streak.

Being a moderate does not mean rolling over and accepting the venomous spew of the extreme right OR left as legitimate discourse. These people are the textbook definition of trolls, and if you do not feed them, they will go away.

Seriously, does a guy like TFTT have anything to offer the conversation? His tired drivel lacks substance and is bereft of anything approaching wit or insight. He simply bleats for attention, and unfortunately, he receives it.

Certainly, Mr Wooten deserves credit for providing the service of making this board available for idea exchange. But again, it is not an act of moderation to ignore when he presents a dishonest framing of an issue. It is, in fact, at the heart of debate to challenge points of asserted fact.

It is not an act of moderation to fling around Mary Jo Kopechne’s name, or to assert that the cover-up perpetrated by Hastert et al over the past 1-4 years in the Foley matter is okay because Democrats have been caught with their pants down too. Why not fling the Fatty Arbuckle case into the mix, too. These tactics do nothing but dishonestly obscure the issues under discussion.

So, today’s column: yes, personal responsibility is critical. Would that there were more of it in this sorry world. The same goes for another favorite Republican canard, Moral Clarity. And in this affaire de Foley, I am quite anxious to see the Republican Party writ large assume these two very important virtues and step up to eat their just desserts.

But I won’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

By deegee

October 4, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Van, I don’t think you are trying hard enough. If the the unspeakable horror that befell the Amish in their own community has not shaken their christian morals then I would suppose that the good christian footsoldiers of the republican party could remain true to their religious convictions.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Instead of blaming the libs Jim, you should do the right thing and demand accountability of the gop leadership for the children.

Enough indeed.

By Van

October 4, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

ohnoyoudidnt,

Please weed out and repost - we are talking about elected officials and not every perv that walks on two legs.

By Camus

October 4, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Van,

Lieberman is in no way a right-wing nut case. He is however a man who began to believe the myth of himself as the last honest man, a man of such integrity that no one could dare question him. He became arrogant and grossly out of touch with his constituents.

Add to that his inarticulate and ignorant stands on Iraq, and the result is a candidate who was rejected by his own state’s voters. Yet still, he insists that he is the only one who is right, and everyone else is wrong.

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Camus, how do you analyze the Kopechne case? Is it not worth your thought?

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Camus, which Democrats accepted responsibility for Bill Clinton’s moral failings?

By Realist

October 4, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Willie Camus,

It was you who first mentioned n**ger on this blog, not me. I dont normally use the word in my daily life, but since you brought it up first, I actually realized that you are indeed worthy of the title.

Now why dont you move on and keep my name out of your posts and Ill reply in kind.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Here is one Van:

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

By Amanda

October 4, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Add to that his inarticulate and ignorant stands on Iraq, and the result is a candidate who was rejected by his own state’s voters. Yet still, he insists that he is the only one who is right, and everyone else is wrong.

Mr. Camus, I respectuflly have to remind you that in the general election where all of the citizens will vote, Joe Lieberman will likely fair very well and hold his seat. The polls indicate this very strongly. Your statement above is completely false. He was only rejected by the states radical left. You seem smarter than the elementary and baseless statement made above. You can’t get away with that around here I’m afraid.

By Van

October 4, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

deegee,

Whether we succeed or fail is in our own hands, but our faith is strong.

For example, did 9/11 shake our christian faith, no it didn’t. In fact, tragedy has a way of strengthening that faith.

I am sure that this strengthen faith will help the Amish deal with the horrors and senseless killings that befell them.

By Jim Wooten's Biggest Fan

October 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

I love the fact that Jim Wooten brought up Janet Reno in his article about Foley. Great stuff.

Anyone get the connection? Anyone?

Or is it truly as I suspect, that Jim Wooten writes WAY over all of your pointed yet strangely dented heads?

Okay, I’ll give you all a break just this one time:

During the congressional investigation after Waco, it was Foley who asked Reno about her sexual preference. Her reply: “I like big hairy men, just like you.”

Notice how Reno’s reply is a double entendre: “just like you” can mean that Foley is a “big hairy man”, or that he likes big hairy men, the way Reno does.

It was a turning point in the hearing, and the GOP quickly retreated. The country went on to unpresidented prosperity and good fortune, until one woman sank a ship of state, and W squeeked through, and now we all face the big hairy consequences of a failed war mission. (whatever that mission is, it failed)

Thanks alot, Monica. I swear to god, you chicks and your f******. Big deal. We’ve all gotten BJs. So what? It doesn’t make you cool. It makes you stupid. Monica is stupid. Monica is stupid. (and she’s fat)

By CJ

October 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Van the radical Lutheran @8:54, @9:01, @9:22, @10:05, et al.

I must say Van, I really admire your ability to make lemonade out of Republican man-on-boy discharge. Let’s examine your “fact-based” post @8:54 where you attempt to support your claim that messed-up Republicans are less messed -up than messed -up Democrats since, you claim, messed -up Republicans always take responsibility for their messed -up behavior (an interesting defense of Foley – to say the least).

Your first model of accountability is former President (“I am not a crook”) Nixon. Wasn’t he the guy who dragged the Congress and the country through hell for years because of — what was his crime again – oh yeah, a cover up? Of course, let’s not forget the former cast members of “The Little Rascals”: Erlichman, Coulter, and jbmlaw’s hero, Gordon Liddy. They also took responsibility for their actions — after the sentencing.

And Newt…ahhhh Newt. No sir. I don’t recall Newt resigning after blaming his lawyer for what I’m sure was an erroneous error on his report to the ethics committee. My recollection is that he resigned because his Republican colleagues told him that he sucked at his job as evidenced by the loss of House seats in the ’98 election. At the time, serial-adulterer Gingrich passed the pre-lubricated baton to serial-adulterer Livingston – both of whom are Lutherans no doubt. Having said that, I’m sure Newt would make a great president – it’s a lot easier than being Speaker.

Your next model of accountability, I believe, was Trent Lott. Brother Lott was blacker than Al Sharpton for a few days there as he gallantly fought to keep his seat as majority leader. A very honorable man indeed.

Then, in your “fact-based” post, you carry us to the present day with Mark (“he’s a stand up guy”) Foley. He was a big man to suddenly resign after ABC News called him to give him a chance to comment on his man-on-boy proclivities. And, now he’s addressing his alcohol/sexual-deviant problem head-on (no pun intended).

But, I do have to take issue with your claim that the House leadership pressed him to do the right thing. I know that doing the right thing to you Lutherans means “don’t get caught”. But we liberals see things differently.

But really Van, why do you want to go down that road? We know you can find a corrupt Democrat from the 1980’s for every corrupt Republican who terrorizes us today. But we can find a corrupt Republican for every corrupt Democrat you bring up – as you’ve demonstrated.

So let’s not go there. Let’s stick to the things that really matter – like whether or not to kill all Muslims vs. killing some and torturing the rest – and whether or not to continue fattening our wallets at the expense of our kids.

By Neil Boortz

October 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Van,

Even if ohnoyoudidnt weeds out non elected people, that list is pretty profound. GOP has been outed as the Grabs on Pricks party and you should all vot e Libertarian

By Camus

October 4, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw,

The Kopechne case is a clear matter of justice denied, and a story that recurs with variations on a regular basis. A son of massive privilege and wealth flouts the law and goes on to have a long career in politics. (Sound familiar?) That there was criminal negligence seems apparent.

But let’s be honest. Nobody who is flinging her name around cares a whit about the young woman who died in Chapaquiddick. (Disclosure: she was a friend of my uncle from his college years.) Her name is just a tool, a cudgel used to smack anyone who dares point out that there is bad business underway RIGHT NOW. Conservatives in general care nothing about the person behind that name, any more than they give a rat’s damn about Paula Jones or Lewinsky.

Accusing liberals of “not caring” about Kopechne is disingenuous at best, and an act of moral dishonesty at worst.

Let’s talk about the personal responsibility and moral clarity of the characters in power right now, instead of blaming unrelated events of 40 years past for our current condition.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

so this pathetic turd camus whimpers back on here, repeats its pathetic lies and lame personal attacks with an overwhelmingly leftist rant. offering NO political anaylsis or commentary other than yet another an extremely thinly veiled move.org type sneer at LIEberman!

you fool no one you leftist moron!!

By Brian Curtis

October 4, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

NB, you should realize that Boortz spells his name NEAL, not Neil.

By Realist

October 4, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

uh Neil and ohnoyoudidnt,

Do you have any idea how long the list would be and how much time it would take to put it together if we listed all democratic activists, preachers, representatives, etc who were involved in sexual scandals?

The answer- There isnt enough hard drive space at the AJC to hold it all.

As usual, you guys cant argue the topic, which was Congressmen scandals, and you widen or shamelessly change the debate to suit yourself. Shameless liberals.

By JK

October 4, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, What’s your obsession with this Mary Jo woman? It was before my time, so all I really know is what Republicans say when they’re trying to somehow pin it on ME for not being a Republican.

If “death” is indeed an issue for you, how come no one likes to talk about Joe Scarborough’s staffer (Yes, Mr. TV was a Florida Congressman) who was found inexplicably DEAD in his office one morning? Care to shed some light on that little thing that went away sooo quietly (after Jeb called in an out-of-state, special Coroner?) Yes, google THAT one, everybody. Death matters!

By Dusty

October 4, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Camus,

You are about as moderate as British motorists—far far to the left. But enjoy your delusions.

If there are just desserts to be served, the Democrats have a table full. They’d rather mention the Republican’s than their own sorry fare. You know. Just like you are doing.

I don’t have a gang. If I did they would say, “Cut it short, Camus. You are too windy.”

By Camus

October 4, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Alas, one attempts to answer a sunstantive post with a substantive answer, only to have the bottom dwellers rise up to sling their murky goo.

I made no inference as to Sen. Lieberman’s honesty, but if one finds it necessary to mischaracterize my post to find fodder for your childish tantrum, you go ahead on, little man.

Dana, I understand your frustration here.

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Thanks to ohnoyoudidnt @ 12:12 and Van @ 11:56 for proving my argument from 8:46 this morning. In every instance cited by ohno, the Republican faced trial and msot went to jail, thus compelled to take responsibility. In every instance cited by Van but possibly one, the Democrat was not even indicted.

By Neal Boortz

October 4, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

that is the liberal AJC trying to confuse conservatives. They are slick like that. Remain vigilant.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

What EXACTLY might your actual POINT be

feminazi JK’s intellectual dishonesty is only surpassed by its crass moronic stupidity and its seeming utter denial of demoNcrat depravity, which is RARELY IF EVER actually punished by congressional demoNcrat demands for resignation by (fellow) sleaze loving, homosexual molesting approving, drunken manslaughter approving, white house sexual predator approving congressional demoNcrats!!

By Dana

October 4, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Camus - I agree that we should challenge views we see as off base. As for commentary having equal value - well, that is (IMO) a little harder to quantify. I admit that I am far more likely to read and consider remarks from some individuals more than others in here. I rarely agree with Realist, TFTT, Jbmlaw (to name a few - and they aren’t the only) but occasionally I am surprised when one of them posts something I genuinely DO agree with. CJ and I don’t see eye to eye often either, and I think he is as big a jerk as the rightwingers, but there are times I think he is spot on with his posts.

The nasty invective irritates me a good deal, though even I succumb to it at times. My biggest frustration here is that, in general, I think the average poster to this blog is reasonably well informed, (though DEFINATELY opinionated) and actually gives a damn about the state of our country. The frustration is that I think giving a damn is unusual in the US today, and I wish those of us who DO care could put aside the partisan bickering and find ways to get the country back on track. Hard to do when Realist can’t see women as equals in intelect (some of us are lightyears ahead of Mr. Neanderthal), TFTT can’t stop insulting everyone, and Getalife hates anyone who even LOOKS toward the right. And these are the people who care.

By SPIN!!

October 4, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

TFTT does the GOP pay you to spin their case on this blog?

SPIN SPIN EVERYWHERE IS SPIN! Hoping that someone notices, Ol’ TFTT spins and spins again.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

camus you snivelling pompous dicksplash … do one you pikey pillow-biter!!

By Amanda

October 4, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Mr. Camus, I understand your frustration, but I suggest perhaps you go back and re-read the subject matter again. I find no place where anyone makes mention of you questioning Lieberman’s honesty. It was actually I who questioned YOUR honesty in stating as fact that the entire voting population of CT had rejected the fine Senator, which is completely false, as I have now stated twice.

Your frustration may be lessend by reading more closely and not jumping to baseless conclusions.

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

JK, I did not mean to raise an issue before your time; certainly that is not your fault. You could have cited the South Dakota governor, jailed essentially for the same crime as Ted Kennedy, except there was no young female in the car with him. The Ted Kennedy case is the perfect example of a powerful Democrat killing a young woman, and not having to answer for the crime. I suppose the fact (that you are not aware) is proof of the efficacy of the coverup, now almost 35 years old.

By Van

October 4, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

CJ

Regarding the radical muslims, I think Ann Couilters solution is plain old fashion perfect.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

TFTT can’t stop insulting everyone

Liar Dana - I merely appositely describe liberal vermin!!

By JK

October 4, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Her name was Laurie Klausutis. She was 28, married, and a graduate of UGA. She died of a bash to the head in the Florida office of Congressman Joe Scarborough (R-FL) in 2001, but there was “no evidence of foul play.” Why, of course not! Ol’ Joe is a Republican and a friend of Jeb! But there is a little matter of Dr. Michael Berkland. Now… THAT’s odd….

By Seriously

October 4, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Who will be classier going to jail? Linda Schrenko or Mark Foley?

Remember the grace Schrenko exhibited? Foley will have a tough time bettering Linda. I hope he doesnt cry.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Vince Foster … murdered by or on behalf of the Clintons … RIP

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Camus, I may have judged you wrongly. You acknowledge a deadly error of judgment by a leading Democrat (you are slightly off - Kennedy was the majority whip at the time of the killing, not “going on to a long career”) and you acknowledge in pointed language that he successfully evaded responsibility (today’s topic.) No matter what else you say, you get a pass from me today.

By Amanda

October 4, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

JK, You say Joe Scarborough and we say Gary Condit. T** for Tat.

They are all slimeball bastards, so why argue over it? The fact is, the right wing on this blog has ADMITTED both parties are at fault in these cases and should be prosecuted and step down and face public humiliation. Yet the left, like you JK, keep wanting to deflect, deflect, deflect!

Do you know how pitiful it appears to continue to do so?

By JK

October 4, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, Do you make your living prosecuting or suing drivers who take lives on the road every day? You know, like, are you a good witch, er..lawyer or a bad lawyer? Just curious. BTW, in your experience, do healthy young women just (OOOPS!) bash their heads and die at the office on a daily basis? Holla when those stats come out, mmmmmm-kay?

By jbmlaw

October 4, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

CJ, you may be a brilliant person, but on Watergate you still don’t know what you are talking about.

By Realist

October 4, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

jbm, if you will excuse me for chiming in here….

JK, some enlightening reading for you and your question of whether otherwise healthy people can bash thier own heads in. Things are not always as they seem JK. I give you………. Logan Young.

Logan Young Murder Investigation

Logan Young, the millionaire businessman at the center of a major college football recruiting scandal is dead. He was killed inside his home on Goodwyn in the Chickasaw Gardens section of Memphis. Police say he was beaten to death.

Police call it a mystery murder investigation because they have no suspects and no witnesses. Yellow tape is not something the neighborhood is used to. Police were at the home all day Tuesday, and will likely be there for a few more days processing what a spokesman calls a brutal crime scene.

Police say a housekeeper found the body inside the home just before 9:00 a.m. Tuesday. A police spokesman says there were no signs of forced entry to the home, but clearly someone had been there. Police say the scene inside the home is so gruesome it may take a few days to positively identify the body.

skip ahead a few days……

Logan Young’s Death An Accident

Logan Young’s death is now believed to be the result of an accidental fall down his stairs, Memphis Police announced in a press conference this afternoon. “Based on our findings, the cause and manner of Logan Young’s death has been determined as blunt force trauma to the head, apparently accidental,” said Memphis police director Larry Godwin.

Homicide director Joe Scott recounted the theory of what happened to Young late Monday night using a sketched layout of his home.

According to Scott, Young had was heading up the stairs with a bowl of salad and a soda or juice drink when he lost his balance and fell backwards, hitting his head on a wrought-iron stair post at the bottom of the stairs.

He said Young lay bleeding in the foyer at the bottom of his stairs, probably unconscious, for “some time.” When he regained consciousness, he headed to the kitchen where he retrieved a hand towel from the sink. Then he headed back upstairs to the bathroom located in his bedroom.

“We feel like he spent quite some time here. There’s a pooling of blood on a newspaper and in the toilet. There’s diluted blood on the floor,” said Scott.

Blood-soaked towels were also found in the bathroom. Scott said he moved from the bathroom to his bed. From the bed, he reached for the telephone, leaving a blood smear on the receiver. But before any call was made, Young fell into the floor where his body was discovered by a housekeeper the following morning.

By GWB

October 4, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

We have a saying in Texas, and I’m sure you have one similar here in the great state of Georgia….”the only thing in the middle of the road is a dead armadillo”

By Michael Silly Savage

October 4, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Kudos to TFTT and Dusty for their diligence in outing Captain Freedom as a fraud. I must say I myself began to wonder when he stopped responding to my frequent late night IMs (AIM - SFSavageSissy, soldiers only). It is utterly mendacious for a liberal to impersonate a man in uniform (unless he has nice abs and packin) in an online chatroom.

These multi-ID thieves and impersonators and the deep confusion and dissent they sow amongst us Real Americans are a far bigger threat to American family values than Representative Foley and his innocuous IMing - it is a sad commentary on our culture when a conservative man such as myself or Mr. Foley cannot take an active interest in the young men coming up.

(BTW, my MySpace page for teens is MikeyOscarMayerWeiner)

By JK

October 4, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

“Amanda”, my t-it for tat was in response to the dredging (bad pun) of Mary Jo in the “who is sleazier” argument, and the accusastion by lawyer man that we “don’t care” about Mary Jo. And um, save your “pitiful” lecture BD. ZZZzzzZZZ

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Amanda,

you’re one cold-blooded bee-otch!

JK, You say Joe Scarborough and we say Gary Condit. T* for Tat.*

These are homicide victims - young, enthusiastic, women murdered - probably because they knew something or got lured into somehting they shouldn’t have - and you treat their deaths like Real@ss treats Mexicans and African-Americans!

People lives are jusst t**-for-tat with you. Nice value system.

I’ll pray fro you tonight

By Dana

October 4, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

ha ha ha. You guys are GOOD today! Ever think about taking your show on the road?

JK has made an excellent point. So have alot of you - GASP there are greedy, self-righteous pieces of crap in BOTH parties. I tend to prefer JK’s style and wit, but there you have it. We might as well play rock paper scissors for all the good this sniping is doing.

Oh - and whoever posted the Janet Reno/Foley conversation about big hairy men? Though the mental image has me gagging - THAT was an interesting piece of information!

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Well said Amanda … the lefties simply refuse to see that we on the right are contemptuous of whomever does this - regardless of party. Even Newt was forced out for his marital ‘indiscretions’ or adultery - pick your term, which were completely legal and not at all homosexual or predatory like at least some of sick Willie’s and other pinko homos and Foley’s were.

reasoning with the likes of feminazi JK is like trying to reason with a very shrill blinkered partisan ADD parrot with a sharp misandrist beak that only sees what it wants to see.

my profuse apologies for the lack of any insults in this post aimed at you madam - this is simply because you made complete sense and are not seeking to gloss over shameful GOP behaviour - unlike the lefties who do NOTHING but try and gloss over shameful pinko behaviour.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

oscar you snivelling fenian poof!!

WTF is an “afriKan-ameriKan”?

I’ve never seen one anywhere in America.

I’ve seen loads of blacks of course and Mexican types and Mexicans and white folks and orientals and asians and nasal whining self absorbed yankee pond scum - just never any “afriKan-ameriKans”.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

October 4, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

The Foley/Reno thing, if it is true is a priceless GOP gem.

Being GOP these days is synonymous with being a hypocrite - Christians that kill, Fiscal conservatives that spend money like it was air, family values champions that divorce, adulterize, molest children and animals, homophobes that get a little on them occasionally, supporters of the military that won’t spend any more than what a yellow ribbon for their SUV will cost them…

But occasionally, you get the bigtime hyper-hypocrite that even the redneck moron GOP constituency has a hard time with - like the miscegenationist segregationist Strom Thurmond, the anti-homosexual homosexual Foley is now a posterboy for GOP ethics, morality and the hole in their souls.

By Chazman

October 4, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Who is this talking - “I have a strategy folks. The first thing is that we pull back out of Baghdad, and we position along the Syrian, Jordan and Iranian borders, and we say to the Iraqis: “We’re going to stop anybody coming across these borders. No more help from Iran. No more from Syria. No more from Jordan. Nobody’s getting into this country. If we have to, we’ll go 20 miles inland in each of these countries to make sure nobody gets through, but this is on you. We will make sure nobody else gets in. Now, you go in there (the Iraqis) and you clear out Baghdad. You do it once and for all, and then we’re out.” “The Iraqis are going to have to at some point take care of all this. We’ll either take care of it in Baghdad for them and we’ll clear the place out and leave it up to them, or we’ll go back to the borders and we’ll make sure nobody is getting in there, and: “You clear out who’s there. We’ll go to Turkey, wherever we have to go to keep people from getting in, but it’s up to you guys to wipe them out.”

Hmmmm. lets see. “First thing is we pull out of Baghdad.” Then there’s “…but it’s up to you guys to wipe them out.” Who said this? Murtha? Another Cut n Run sleazacrat? Nope. It’s none other than Pillhead Limbaugh. Somebody needs to let the White House know that their #1 propagandist is running with the cowardly “Cut n Runners”. Typical repungnantican hypocrisy.

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Realist, did you just confess to murder?WTF?

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Bingo.

God bless the pope.

By No Thanks

October 4, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

“I’m a registered Republican.”

By More Family Values

October 4, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (AP) — The military’s top generals have warned Iraq is on the cusp of a civil war and that U.S. troops must remain in large numbers until at least next spring. But if the winds suddenly blow a different direction, Congress is ready to celebrate with a $20 million victory party.

Lawmakers included language in this year’s defense spending bill, approved last week, allowing them to spend the money. The money for “commemoration of success” in Iraq and Afghanistan was originally tucked into last year’s defense measure, but went unspent amid an uptick in violence in both countries that forced the Pentagon to extend tours of duty for thousands of troops.

Republicans have yet to claim responsibility for the provision. Democrats say it was likely added by the Senate’s majority Republicans, and less than five weeks from congressional elections are pointing to it as another example of where the GOP has gone astray handling the war in Iraq.

By Oscar Wilde

October 4, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

English loverboy,

it’s my understanding that African-American is the term used when defining the origins of people indigenous to the African Continent who were forcibly taken from their homeland and brought to America to be sold into slavery and build this nation on their backs.

when you say “black” you identify them with their skin color, when you say Mexican you identify them by their nationality.

If a mexican was born in America he is called an American. Normally his parents came by chioce.

African - Americans (who one as vulgar and classless as your london slum-dwelling ubringing suggests would not understand) were not brought here by choice so they respect and embrace their heritage, even though they are also US citizens.

Understand that numbn@#ts!!

By Realist

October 4, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

No Chaz, that isnt a cut and run strategy, that is someone offering another idea or solution. You are familiar with what an IDEA is right? I know the left isnt big on creating them, just throwing cold water on them.

We need more stuff like Rush has recommended. If we had more good ideas rather than partisan rhetoric the troops might have been home already.

By The Pope

October 4, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Why do we continue this useless name calling and finger pointing “who are you to wave your finger?” In this fallen world everyone is a sinner. The topic of discussion here is are individuals responsible for their actions or not. How you answer that question gets to the heart of our philosophical and political differences. Do we accept responsibilty for our actions no matter what our background is? Unfortunately the media (sorry Jim) has to discover some incident from the past to understand why people commit horrible crimes. The truth is not as sensational; he/she gave in to selfish desires. People do not heed a warning of impending destruction and it’s the government’s fault? Bombs going off indescriminately in Bagdad and that is America’s fault? When will this lunacy end. God help us.

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Capitol Hill sources say Fordham’s resignation was demanded by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, whose job is on the line because of his handling of the page scandal.

By Realist

October 4, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Hey Oscar, I agree with you 100 percent!!! I totally understand and accept your explanation on the African-American theory. And its that same theory that true southerners embrace. We didnt ask to be part of this version of America. We were forced into this existence, just as Africans were.

So as you embrace your past, how about shutting the fu*ck up and letting us embrace ours!!!

As for me, Im riding with Forrest!!

By Dana

October 4, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

If we had more good ideas rather than partisan rhetoric the troops might have been home already.

Damn good point Realist - want to take your own advice, please?

By JK

October 4, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

If we had more good ideas rather than partisan rhetoric the troops might have been home already.

Help me understand, Hon. Do you mean: (A) If the people NOT in power would give good ideas to the people currently running everything, the troops might be home already? or (B) If the people IN power would quit sniping and blaming the people with no power for everything, and come up with some ideas, the troops might be home already?

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Yes, listen the drug addict spewing on oxy’s. That is cut and run from their capital idiot.

By Chazman

October 4, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Get real Realist. Offering another idea or solution? This is exactly what Murtha is offering. Remember him, the cut n run coward? His plan was to pull out by the end of the year (int immediatley like you guys like to say he said) and depoly our troops outside of Iraq in case we need to go in and help. This is exactly what Pillhead is saying. Jeez, don’t you watch TV or read the papers?

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Forrest Gump?

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

All the blood,lies,perversions and criminal actions are on the souls of the GOP and their supporters.Burn in hell.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

October 4, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

LOL WTF.

Colonel Beauregard T. Realist’s daddy told him life was like a box o’ chocolates - and that a box o’ chocolates were a great way to entice youngsters into sex.

By Jim Wooten's Biggest Fan

October 4, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Foley’s attourney said that Foley would have made a better governor, (of PA?), than a Florida senator. I think he just threw Foley’s hat in the ring. Let’s hope he stops there.

We are winning in Iraq, (as Ann Coulter suggests to Bill Oreilly), if the mission was to give the ironically majority Shia population a fair fight with the ironically minority Sunni population.

Under Saddam, the Sunni Bathist minority (ironic because Sunni is 90% of all of Global Islam) persecuted the Shia majority, (ironic because Shia is only 10% of Global Islam), with wire tapping secret police, killing fields, and economic disenfranchisement for thirty years.

If Bush wanted to even the odds, so that the Shia have a fighting chance to defend themselves and maybe win, then the Iraqi War has MISSION ACCOMPLISHED written all over it….

…and that would mean, then, that Ann Coulter, who appeared last night on Bill Oreilly, (her pert pouting breasts sullen and demure, yet brash and inviting, as I could tell through her thin cashmere sweater), is correct.

Gotta like Ann Coulter here.. You can have great sex with someone you hate. Trust me on that one, (married 25 years).

By Fort Pillow Pillowtalkers

October 4, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

That’d be Realisp and his widdle Kappa Kappa Kappa Alpha friends.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

snivelling fenian pooftah…

as expected your understanding is deeply flawed bog stirring potato famine boy!!

this micky mouse made up leftist politically correct term was fairly recently coined by the master racial huckster and corrupt hypocrite the NON reverend (cos he was never ordained in a real seminary) jackson or jackasson.

certainly many blacks were brought here against their will and enslaved - but that was back in the 18th and 19th centuries - thus they are now dead. Just as many blacks were taken to what became Brazil and other S American countries. They dont call smugly themselves Brazilian-AfriKans or Columbian-AfriKans or Bolivian-AfriKans etc. Indeed all the black Americans descendants are - looking at AfriKa today - very fortunate to be in the USA and not languishing in some genocidal tribal killing fields or being deliberately starved by some deranged murderous marxist/leftist third world dicktator like mengistu or mugabe.

Everyone here LEGALLY or born here is an American or a legal resident - which obviously most recent mexican type arrivals are not!!

Americans come in many “colours” - white, black, brown, red, yellow and of course liberal treasonous chickensh!t yellow.

understand that Dicksplash!!

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

October 4, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

I just want to say the Fort Pillow Pillowtalkers ID is the best one we’ve seen here in quite a long while. Thanks, Realisp.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

I see NAMBLA rednekkks is still peddling its child molesting filth on here - presumably being “shared” by Studds and Fwank didn’t help rednekkks vermin with its early development in that Boston boys orphanage for yankee bigots!!

By Fort Pillow Pillowbiters

October 4, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Even better!

By Dana

October 4, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

So, TFTT - how’s your day going? Good? Having fun? I’m SO glad! I like Realists idea, If we had more good ideas rather than partisan rhetoric the troops might have been home already. And since you two are such good buddies, I was hoping you might join in with a good, nonpartisan idea or two!

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Stupid is as stupid does.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

October 4, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Actually, Dana, a much better idea would be to get Colonel Realisp and Lance Corporal tftt/tommy into Iraq where their brilliant strategerizing could be put to much needed use.

I’m a little tired of their regular horsesheet here, aren’t you?

By WTF?

October 4, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

I agree, lets face it folks. They are not thinkers but can count as casualties.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Dana … not to put too fine a point on your seemingly wiful obtusity, but Realist assuredly meant leftist “partisan rhetoric” - clearly this was implicit in his observation. I realise this real politik notion is WAY BEYOND the ken of your average decidedly dim lefty on here - but at least I have generously clarified it for you.

I have an excellent idea for you - lets rather harshly round up all the far left liberals in the USA and feed them to either Hamas or Hizbollocks!! …huge smirk

My day is going OK Dana - I trust yours is also at least tolerable?

Perhaps we’ll see the misandrist feminazi JK irrationally ranting and warning someone else to stay away from her kids and then violently swear at them again. Of course if the feminazi wishes to use me for its hate speech verbal punching bag that’s MIGHTY cool too!! Its about that time of afternoon … tin hats on chaps!!

By Dana

October 4, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

YES.

By Southern Democrat

October 4, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

I’m amazed at the level of hostility on the blog here today on a topic we can usually all agree on: too many of our elected officials do not act in a way befitting a person endowed with public trust. We should hold them all to the highest standards possible… my friend Jbmlaw is right to point out the fact that a U.S. senator was able to get away with murder (or voluntary manslaughter at best) in a scandal more befitting primitive democracies rather than the United States. Personal responsibility is important and former Rep. Foley’s case shows just that.

TFtT, with all disrespect intended, I have taken the time to actually read your posts this week and find them unbelievably inane. I remember when this blog opened, you would occasionally offer something of value or at least something to think about, but your vitriolic, poorly written rantings have grown incredibly tired. Please try to raise the level of the conversation and not resort to bizarre racial epithets that are the written equivalent of a lunatic’s unwiped spittle.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

I’m a little tired

never mind diddums NAMBLA - Bwarney Fwank and Studds are planning your next holiday - my congressional spies tell me that they plan to take you to Frisco on a fact finding tour of DNC sponsored bath houses!!

By The Utter Mendacity of a Lunatic's Unwiped Spittle

October 4, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Wooten’s blog - all tftt, all the time

To be continued…

By Dana

October 4, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

ha ha ha. Willful Obtusity - I love it! We are all so very good at self-description!

Now, in MY idea, we “Americans” draw together and find the solution. In MY idea, we bring the troops home safely. In MY idea, we stop taking potshots at each other and get the job done. In MY idea we all take responsibility for ourselves and our actions. But what the hell, that’s just a moderate’s view.

My day has been rather trying, but thanks much for asking.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Southern Dimwit - the glib patronising empty droolings of lefty twonks like you are of no consequence.

until this pathetic, hysterical homophobic …smirk* anti-GOP bollox ceases there is NO point in trying to elevate the banter on here. Its utterly pointless. I simply mirror back what is meted out.*

go back and actually read what’s posted here by your side - I am also VERY TIRED OF IT!!

Its funny how sad lefties like you completely IGNORE the constant, crude/graphic leftist drivel on here and just single out yours truly. So no double standards there then!!

I rarely, if ever say this on here … but to paraphrase Realist from earlier today and (and feminazi JK from yesterday) to you and other similar liberal hypocrites F—- OFF!!

Just to be absolutely clear I dont ever recall ever seeing anything worth reading from you on here - but each to their own - eh? Although your opening paragraph was a reasonable first step.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

I have an idea

Resign in disgrace.

By JK

October 4, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Dana, I’m with you gurlfriend, but skeptical as to whether it’s possible. As a people, we’ve evolved to a state in which everything is about one-up and win-lose. Even small stuff that doesn’t really matter. How will we get to the stuff that matters? Where’s the light? The North Star? We’re lost, and I’m not trudging through the darkness with some of THESE perverts.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Dana

as ever you are more than a little disingenuous.

The incessant pot shots you so glibly minimise from certain well known lefties on here are the ROOT cause of the problem.

As others, and I, have frequently pointed out - we on the right have NO problem with hammering Foley - but some on here continuously do it. With serial dishonesty. Flogging an already long dead horse.

There has been little if any attempt to debate anything serious on here today or yesterday. I have posted several links which could easily have sparked a serious debate but the left, including you, ignored those links. Fine. Folks on here want to debate what they actually do “debate”. I simply dont have the power/ability/intent/desire to determine that.

When I see you attacking the leftists as vociferously as you attack me - then I’ll take some notice … until then - see the rather sententious message in my previous post!!

By Camus

October 4, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Amanda -

Your post re: Lieberman was not the problem, it was that tosser TFTT who had to dredge up the “LIEberman” epithet when I had not come close to questioning the Senator’s honesty.

Your own post posits a prediction…that Sen Last Honest Man will prevail in a general election. I’d say that is possible, if unlikely. The Senator’s poll negatives are pretty high, and just about every media outlet in Connecticut has slammed him and his poorly run campaign. I have no issue with your post or prediction, other than to say I hope you are wrong.

Trust me, I read very closely, especially when I am taking time to reply. (Except for TFTT’s drool, which makes my eyes bleed after a time. How can one person write so poorly AND have so little to say, and so so in such a juvenile way. It’s a living trifecta of imbecility.)

By Dana

October 4, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

hmm. Yeah, I have to admit I am not sure I want to trudge through a well lit place with some of these folks.

And that’s it for me today - I’m more tired than usual with the school-yard antics of the blog today.

Jim - I will say this, great choice of topics, just hate the way it was trashed instead of debated today.

By Dana

October 4, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

tftt - you obviously missed my little conversation with CJ recently. And apparently, I missed all those great links you posted to spur debate today.

By peter

October 4, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

Well it appears that the Republican Right head of the house Mr. Dennis Hastert knew about your Mr Foley’s perverted behavior two years ago……

So much for the argument the Republicans bow out and do the right thing, and that there actually are checks and ballances within the Republican organization, and the house in general.

Seems like neither is true…..Hastert never did anything, swept all under the rug, and “prayed”…(family values) it would all go away.

WOW……seems like being a Gay Republican Representative from FLORIDA, who’s governor is the Big Boss’s brother, is an OK thing to be, especially one that like the Little boys out there.

So you now have a Party the Republicans who knew he was a child lover, and yet they kept him in charge of the over seeing of child safty groups.

Gee lets give the Fox the keys to the Hen house…….NOW there is a government watching out for it’s people!

Makes you wonder about the Really BIG stuff…..Iraq……HHhhhmmmmmmm….Iraqi police allowing death squads to roam free and do their dirty deeds………Yes we are totally winning that war!

National security……..HA HA HA……..we have a GAY pervert in charge of the children, and you actually want us to believe we are actually being protected by this administration!

Republicans say we are being protected????? The president starts a made up WAR, to “Protect US”…. HA HA HA……..

While the perverts are protecting our children…….HA HA HA………to all you “RIGHT THINKING” folks out there!

FAMILY VALUES…….I guess go to church, pray a little, then look up little girl’s skirts……..or worse, take advantage of little boys, that want to learn about how our government works…….

Well we have learned today how it works……..HA HA HA…..look away, don’t say a thing……I am sure someone will pay me off!

Being Republican is fun, your friend Marcus said it best…….”it is fun running over the backs of POOR people to make money!”

FAMILY VALUES……..you gotta LOVE IT!

By Camus

October 4, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

So much focus on bad news today, let’s look at something positive.

The Dow Jones average extended its all-time record high closing value today. Bravo to the surging economy.

The stock market has now increased a full percentage point since its high in 2000 during the Clinton presidency. Kudos to the Republicans for their excellent stewardship of the economy. A full percentage point!!

Alas, a look at real unemployment and the national debt figures does not instill such celebratory joie de vivre (yes, that is French), so let’s all ignore that sorry news and just clap harder. There’s got to be a pony in here somewhere.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Here is your debate.

Do the right thing and write your reps to get Hasturd out of there.

The Iraq police are Shiite death squads revenging Sunnis for their rule.

This is civil war and our troops are stuck there. While you are writing, tell them to get our troops out of that civil war.

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

camus’ supercilious patronising shiite is hugely amusing. its always great to have genuine narcissists on here to sneer at and mock. its turgid little crypto marxist rants are especially pleasing to behold.

hope your eyes have now almost bled dry now bubbaturd.

Your post re: Lieberman was not the problem

WOW - our little Harvard wannabe maggot sure is full of itself. Can you post some remedial lessons in talking down to folks in cyber space? - ooops too late - every trite, banal, simpering post of yours is an object lesson in said endeavour.

please say you’ll be back tomorrow - then we can have even more fun at your witless expense!! the sound and fury of your vacuous portentous bollocks is indeed a welcome change from the unremitting NAMBLA themed posts of most of the other knuckle dragging left on here!!

By time for the truth

October 4, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

tftt - you obviously missed my little conversation with CJ recently

praise be to Allah - I sure did!!!

By Camus

October 4, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Just in from AP:

*WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior congressional aide said Wednesday he told House Speaker Dennis Hastert’s office about worrisome conduct between former Rep. Mark Foley with teenage pages more than three years ago, long before officials have acknowledged becoming aware of the issue.

Kirk Fordham made his comments to The Associated Press in an interview as a Kentucky Republican canceled a campaign fundraising event with Hastert. Rep. Ron Lewis said he wants to know the facts behind a scandal that has roiled Republicans since last week.

“I’m taking the speaker’s words at face value,” Lewis said in an interview. “I have no reason to doubt him. But until this is cleared up, I want to know the facts.

“If anyone in our leadership has done anything wrong, then I will be the first in line to condemn it.”*

The only legitimate wager remaining…does Hastert resign before the weekend or after. I hesitate in this instance to refer to this as an ‘over-under’ bet, but even a dour absurdist/existentialist needs a chuckle now and then, mordant though it may be.

By Camus

October 4, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

A piece of paper…did somebody throw a piece of paper at me?

ROFLMAO

By Markus

October 4, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

I am about fed UP with the sickness of liberalism and hypocrisy over this Foley debacle. We’ve got assparrots like getmolife claiming that all Republicans are now child molsters. We’ve got the party of the Jackass saying that all Republican leadership should resign. We’ve got the mainstream media SCREAMING FRONT PAGE HEADLINES about how Republicans are in trouble and you can FEEL their sheer joy of it through the print and through the TV (meh, there’s no media bias).

All of these assbandits representative of the horseass left are lecturing the Right on accepting personal responsibility and accountability. Well, if memory serves me correctly, every time a Republican gets caught doing something wrong, he steps down. In any event, that the loonbat liberals are attempting to tell US on the Right about being moral and self-responsible and accept personal accountability is LAUGHABLE. Because in a liberal’s bass ackwards Utopian world:

· If you get pregnant as a teen, it’s society’s fault and responsibility, not yours.

· If you are a homeless jobless bum, it’s society’s fault and responsibility [through higher taxes], not yours.

· If you choose not to buy health insurance, it’s society’s fault and responsibility [through cancelling perfectly good insurance for those 84% of Americans that have it and turn it over to the bureaucratic nightmare of government], not yours.

· If you can’t earn more than the minimum wage, it’s society’s fault and the government’s responsibility [through forcing higher wages], not yours.

· If you can’t afford to go to college or are too lazy to get off your fatass and WORK your way through college, it’s society’s fault and the government’s responsibility [through “free” college for all programs paid for by the “rich” via taxes], not yours.

· If you commit a heinous crime, it’s society’s fault, not yours [if you are a white male, then it IS your fault].

· If your party doesn’t get elected, it’s the other party’s fault for cheating, not your own party’s fault for supporting a sorryA* candidate.

All of this is what the Party Of The Jackass believes in and supports, yet they have the very idea of preaching to Republicans as a whole because of a few bad apples here and there. We’re all human beings, and NOBODY is completely immune from engaging in irrational behavior, ESPECIALLY pseudo-holier than thou liberals.

I know one thing, I sure can’t wait until we find out who knew about the Foley IMs, when they knew it, and why they waited so long before releasing them, unlike the relatively benign emails which were the only things disclosed originally. October surprise indeed.

By peter

October 4, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

Gee Marcus after reading all the stuff you have written it is true……

There are a few “Bad Apples” out there……

With all your cussing, and putting folks down with out really having anything to say……..you quessed it correct, I am actually writing to one of them!

By Camus

October 4, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

It is difficult to tell whether Markus believes his caricature drawing of Democratic Party positions or if he is in fact insane.

Either way, it is amusing to see him rant and sputter.

By Markus

October 4, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Where have you been lately, peterpumpkin? You don’t think your pathetic ilk on the jackass left here put down we right-wingers? What are you, a typical selective clown from the left that ignores your own fallacies while shouting from the mountains about others? Yep, you are.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Tough day at McDonald’s today macaca?

You burnt them fries again didn’t you?

By Markus

October 4, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Hey Canus-

Your guys do something, you tell them to stand up for themselves and fight. Not so with Republilicans. We tell them to step down, from benign comments about the “Good old days” by Trent Lott to more serious matters like Nixon.

No, you fools on the left have such disgusting hypocrisy it wreaks through the internet.

By Van

October 4, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Just a few quick questions relating to this Foley mess. I do think he is someone not to be a Senator or Representative, I am glad he resigned.

1) Did he actually have physical contact with any of the Pages?

2) After the first FBI look at the emails, what did the FBI report back to the House leadership?

3) Who witheld the damaging IM’s, some older than two years old, until 5 weeks before the mid-term election?

4) If it was common knowledge that Foley liked underage boys back in ‘95-‘96 why wasn’t he ousted back then?

5) Why didn’t his opponents use this evidence against him during the previous serveral campaigns?

And one general question.

If the republicans stole the last two presidential elections, how hard would it be to steal the mid-term elections in the key battleground races?

By peter

October 4, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

Well Marcus if you actually went to college, and worked your way through, it seems obvious that either you never learned anything or you totally forgot everything.

Bring on some intelligence here……come on now you can do it…….leave your child like behavior for when you are with children, name calling is NOT a FAMILY VALUE!

How many poor people did you step on today to make you money!?!

By Markus

October 4, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Now gitmolife, you know damn well I step all over on the downtrodden and the poor to better my life. You know damn well I steal from the poor when I get a tax cut. Therefore, even as ignorant and unedumacated as you are (sans an AA degree in Google), you should be able to put 2+2 together and realize that I’m against “giving” a pay raise to those idiots still stuck on making $5.50/hr for a living. Try again, my little Macy’s pinko pig.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

macaca,

Just maybe your party should not try to tell folks how to live.

Family values and all that crap.

By Markus

October 4, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

Gitmolife-

It’s not MY party that’s telling others what they should do with their money by MANDATORY methods like higher taxes and no freedom to control part of their SS fund. It’s not MY party that’s trying to tell others that it’s WRONG or DIVISIVE to choose to send your child to alternative schools. Idiot neocommie.

By Van

October 4, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

Markus,

I like it, sounds good to me, when can we start purging the system of far left nut cases.

By peter

October 4, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

Marcus is the TRUE REPUBLICAN Patriotic American, why you ask?

Read what he writes………”You know damn well I step all over the downtrodden and the poor to better my life”.

Well welcome to the world of love, welcome to Marcus’s world……..I would even bet he prays to a GOD then rips off the poor…….

GEE we have TRUE REPUBLICAN FAMILY VALUES shown to us, by a TRUE Right Wing Republican.

NOW my question to the rest of you Republicans………

Is this a true representation of the people on your Republican party???????

By Van

October 4, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Markus,

I like it, sounds good to me, when can we start purging the system of far left nut cases.

By Markus

October 4, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Peterpumpkinhead-

I’ll address and post whoever and whatever I want to here. You didn’t touch the DIRECT point I made about you democrats ignoring your own, so as far as I’m concerned, if you can’t handle something as simple as that, then you sure can’t handle anything that requires speed-step thinking.

Oh yeah, I worked my way through college. Something a lot of lazyassed liberals won’t do and expect others to do for them like good little Stalinists. You one of ‘em?

By Markus

October 4, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

Poor peter had a lib meltdown. Gotcha, clown. Wah! Wah! Wah!

Peterhead, I’ll bet I contribute more to charity annually than you ever have in your entire pathetic existence, jackass. You are the typical neomarxist liberal: steal other people’s money and say you care. Pig.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

October 5, 2006 12:13 AM | Link to this

Ah - our old buddy Markanus - like Representative Foley a true chickenhawk chickenhawk.

Hide your teenage boys folks, Markanus is in da house!

By Brian Curtis

October 5, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

If the right wingers are so sure they’re right, AND they’re running the entire government… why are they so obsessed with stifling the voices on the left?

Could it be they’re just arrogant, posturing fascists who hate anyone who disagrees with them…? Nahhh, that COULDN’T be it.

Could it?

By Icy Stars

October 5, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

We lose a planet and the alien galaxy gains billions of planets? (Sounds like a government program)

Most stars form in pairs as binary stars. Gravitationally-induced stellar ejecta could explain the origin of most orbiting material.

Einstein thought that as a star forms, the very fabric of space simultaneously undergoes a metamorphosis as the local density of matter goes toward infinity.

He felt that light would have to have some mass, in order to be deflected by the star density. The radiation in light is that mass, (the entire spectrum of electromagnetic radiation is born in the simplest lightbulb). All light is radiation. Therefore, Light has Mass.

It is Mass itself which ripples the fabric of space.

By harold

October 5, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Harold says evidently Big Woot did step away from the keyboard! Good job Big Woot! Now Harold is in charge.

By jbmlaw

October 5, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Good morning all, except poor Brian, who seemingly awakened on the wrong side of the bed. Chairman Ann marshals her arguments for our benefit at http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi Funny, as you can well imagine.

I wish I were as graceful as Southern Democrat; he brings a touch of elegance to any argument, even when I disagree.

I missed most of late yesterday - JK asked which side of the divide I work; I am strictly defense. Many (if not most) prosecutors are control freaks, and of course I am nearly libertarian (but for their isolationism and abortion positions, I would be libertarian.) Similarly, I do little plaintiff’s work, other than some contract and other simple debt enforcement and an occasional bankruptcy petition.

Meeting all day today, play nice.

By peter

October 5, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Marcus…….HA HA HA…..one who hates, name calls, and really lacks and over all true intelligence to speak clearly with anything to really say.

None of these qualities are steming from any FAMILY VALUES!

I see YOU melt down to a very low level each day on this site……….you are a TRUE Republican, hater of this country America, and hater of people that are not just like you.

I actually feel sorry for you Marcus, and all your pals.

Jim Wooten should be embarrased that he is able to get guys like you expressing trash here, as you cannot do any debating without the name calling.

Poor Marcus, age unidentified, intelligence unidentified, BIG talker with nothing to say!

Gee Marcus go ahead, cuss me out, make up more of your Bull, have at it……show me more of your true feelings towards others in this country……..show me your true self!

GO MARCUS…GO MARCUS…GO MARCUS!

By Brian Curtis

October 5, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

I’d expect Coulter to embrace her usual idiotic fundamentalism: “If it’s evil, it must be Democratic, because Republicans don’t do bad things.”

What’s even funnier is that she’s forced to spin fantasies of outrage over what would have happened if only nasty ol’ Foley had been a Democrat like he should have. Because the reality—that a Republican is exposed for the criminally twisted fraud that he is—is just too much for her poor little brain to process.

Her bleating occasionally amuses the faithful, but nobody takes a nutcase loser like Coulter seriously, do they? Nahh, nobody’s THAT dumb….

By Markus

October 5, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Don’t kid yourself, petereater-

You aren’t worthy my time of serious discussion. Others are. You are a run-of-the-mill liboramus hypocrite who cries about the poor but doesn’t do a damn thing about it but support higher taxes for those that work. Pathetic liberal filth.