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DEL.ICIO.USBlacks and the GOP
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Six weeks before November’s general election Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told a group that casts itself as the DNC’s African-American Leadership Summit that their party can no longer wait until three weeks before an election to solicit minority votes. “In many ways,” said Dean, voicing the truest words he may ever have spoken, “the Democratic Party hasn’t moved itself out of the 60s and 70s.”
Of party appeal, he said: “If we don’t get smart about having folks on the ticket that look like the people whose votes we’re asking for, in meaningful positions of authority, then we’re not going to win. And the party that gets to do that first is the party that’s going to win.”
Without question, to be successful both parties need to broaden their base. And without question too, Republicans need a steady, long-term outreach to appeal to the growing middle class of minorities who don’t see politicians and government programs as the link to their financial security. Democrats, along with business, colleges and media outlets too, tend to measure diversity with a camera. It’s the “look-like” standard. It’s smart of the Democrats to make virtue of what they have as a constituency, but the party would be more successful if it allowed an occasional conservative, too. It’s not Kodak diversity, but it would help Democrats “look-like” America.
But that’s a lead-up, actually, to a more important question: What can/should Republicans do attract blacks and Hispanics? This is not a question about the election six weeks hence. We’re in the Pandering Zone now. The question goes to the next 5-10 years. My belief is that it doesn’t change core beliefs and it doesn’t do what national Republicans just did in pandering on the Voting Rights Act. It stands for something that appeals to all, and explains and recruits blacks and Hispanics who share its philosophy.
Comments
By Brian Curtis
September 25, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this
If they’re worried about “looking like the voting base,” why is it still impossible for anyone but the wealthy to actually run for office?
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
September 25, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this
GOP idiotology is well suited for rednecks - they’d rather pander to them.
By deegee
September 25, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
I can’t understand why there aren’t more macacas in the Republican party.
By Luckovich Censors Conservatives
September 25, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
Since cartoon boy is still gone:
Dear blessed warriors, we have uncovered some information from the infidels that we thought you might be able to use, it’ on page A3, god willing you’ll have 50 cent:
Washington —- Guards at a riverfront Army ammunition plant in Tennessee report boaters have entered restricted areas, holes are often found in a perimeter fence, and a government contractor steps up security to impress inspectors.-AJC
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A clip promoting the segment from Friday night’s “Special Report” was viewed nearly 900,000 times on video-sharing Web site YouTube, making it the most viewed video (Clinton freaking out) of the weekend.-Fox “News”
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People like House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, who said “I don’t really consider ourselves at war” with terrorism, who believes Osama bin Laden’s capture will not “make us any safer” and who thinks this election “shouldn’t be about national security.”-WashingtonTimes
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Quick thought:
The democrats are happy to admit that they are either too stupid or too depraved to get a photo ID.
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John Kerry shares his vast war fighting knowledge:
The U.S. must not cut and run from the real front line in the war on terror. We must recommit to victory in Afghanistan.-OpinionJournal
We slaughtered a thousand Taliban last week; this guy wants to do more?
He voted against this Oped before he voted for it.
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“They have been monitoring the [Ben] Cardin and [James] Webb races and they are extremely concerned,” says a Senate Democrat leadership aide. “On both campaigns’ staffs and on the Internet we are hearing and reading an ugliness that we haven’t seen in probably decades. It’s embarrassing, but we’re chalking it up to a small segment of young people who are frustrated at constantly losing and are lashing out. To think otherwise raises too many uncomfortable questions about our party.”-AmericanSpectator
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Rachel Carson kicked off DDT hysteria with her pseudoscientific 1962 book, “Silent Spring.” Miss Carson materially misrepresented DDT science in order to advance her anti-pesticide agenda. Today she is hailed as having launched the global environmental movement. Overlooked in all the hoopla over the announcement is the terrible toll in human lives (tens of millions dead, mostly pregnant women and children under age 5), illness (billions sickened) and poverty (more than $1 trillion in lost GDP in sub-Saharan Africa alone) caused by the tragic, decades-long ban.-WashingtonTimes
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The lib answer is always wrong:
Remember the dire predictions of some in the late 1960s that the earth was running out of food? They feared a growing world population would gobble up the existing food supply, leading to widespread famine and food riots. Those incorrect predictions in the 1960s about food were replicated in the late 1970s when President Jimmy Carter donned a sweater and turned down the White House thermostat in response to gloom and doom scenarios of depleted oil reserves leaving us shivering in the dark.-RealClearPolitics
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But, really Rosie, it must mean something, even to you, that no Christian leader has suggested that you be executed, or even that your house should be blown up. You must see some difference between not approving of your views and issuing a contract on your life. Maybe sometime I’ll publish the letters I get from homosexual activists. Some don’t sound much different from the stuff coming out of the hills of Afghanistan.- TownHall
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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
September 25, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Jim: I agree, Howard was just being honest for once, but the real proof is not in what the libs mouth before the elections; it’s what they do after the polls close.
Which will be the same as they did the last time around.
By Andie, You're a Fine Girl
September 25, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this
Can’t wait until I’m back in Tijuana and I can see you and your mom again….
Smooches from the Sailor.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 25, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
Some unusual early comments on the board this A.M.!?!
As to the topic, I believe the country is about as polarized as it has ever been. I doubt that there is really a large bloc (probably no more than 3-5%) of voters out there that has not aligned as Republican or Democrat.
Now, there is a substantial bloc of “I don’t give a da**” or ” “it doesn’t make any difference” non-voters. If either party can plug that group in, it will sway the balance.
Likely, Democrats will take the House, and the Republicans will squeek by in the Senate. Very little will be accomplished.
If the Democrats take both houses, look for impeachment investigations to dominant the next two years. It will not come to a vote, but the investigations will take up the time.
Deadlock will reign.
By jbmlaw
September 25, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. Michael Steele alone may be enough to introduce black America to the virtues of the Republican Party. When they inspect the Republicans, black Americans will discover people who are not judgmental, who tolerate Christians, and who respect life from the earliest stages. Black Americans will discover they can actually influence thought among Republicans, as Republicans are open to new ideas. When they begin to look for role models, they may discover a brilliant secretary of state and a brilliant Supreme Court justice. Of course, politicians are not the highest authorities among Republicans; the thinkers are, people such as Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams. There will be some separation angst for those black Americans who contemplate leaving the Democrats, as socialism is a hard habit to break, but the spirit of freedom burns strongly enough in the culture that the trip will be possible.
By jbmlaw
September 25, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
Jim also asked about Hispanic vote – I fear the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot with the anti-Mexican hysteria, the passion for mindless enforcement of mindless laws. My guess is that, other than the Cubans, no Hispanic will vote Republican for the next 20 years. That is a shame, that the Republicans have so alienated (pardon the choice of terms) people of faith who would have been a natural part of their constituency. The funny part is the Republicans did this to themselves, as the Democrats have taken no firm position on immigration at all. In tennis you call this an unforced error.
By Rent Norwegian
September 25, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
I see a larger issue: we made God out of our own image. Just look, he’s an old man with a beard.
If we are willing to vote on a hominoid God who will underwrite our eternal voyage to heaven, then it follows that we vote on appearance.
Clinton looks like every fat aging baby boomer. Bush looks like every redneck.
Kerry, Dukakis, and Mondale were all swarthy immigrant types - very Snidely Whiplash. Americans vote based on the behavior of stereotyped cartoon characters. Redstate voters have no idea that their opinions come from Popeye cartoons.
The republican constituency is a mindless gumball machine. Bush puts in a quarter, and the voters spit out mandate candy in the same manner as the blonde Double-mint twins flavor their bicycle seats: automatically.
By Southern Democrat
September 25, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
Good morning all,
I hope you all had nice weekends. Maybe I am approaching this the wrong way and/or viewing this issue through my own personal political lens, but I think it will be very difficult for the GOP to attract either African-American or Hispanic voters in the near future.
As for African-Americans, one word: Katrina. Similarly, Repubs have long advocated for a small government, yet have the largest government in history with no noticeable relief to the urban poor (many of whom happen to be black). The black middle class does not seem inclined to vote GOP, either.
As for Hispanics, it is tough to court their votes without a concrete path to citizenship and/or allowing more Hispanic legal immigrants and it has baffled me that the GOP does not realize that.
These two things being said, I do commend the GOP and President Bush for promoting diversity in the executive and having persons of color and women in prominent leadership positions… though I disagree with 99% of what Dr. Rice and Attorney Gen. Gonzales say, it IS progress.
By Van
September 25, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
You may be a little harsh on the GOP this morning.
I do not think legal immigrants will hold it against the GOP for their stance. Now, regarding illegals voting, that is a whole different kettle of fish.
By KP
September 25, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
JBM,
Are you serious? Have you read any of your past posts or those from Markus, TFTT, Jim, @@…and other neo-cons? Don’t try and sell that “we are open to new idea” mess when you can barely grasp on the fact that blacks are not a monolithic group. Just because a we embrace people like Thurgood Marshall and Colin Powell, doesn’t mean there aren’t a bunch of us who cheer Condi or Clarence. THAT kind of diversity (another word Repubs fear) is what hhas kept the majority or minorities away from the Republican party. Oh…and the fact that racist groups are drawn to you guys for some strange reason!
By Southern Democrat
September 25, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this
Jbmlaw,
My friend, you are on a very, very short list of lawyers who consider Justice Thomas “brilliant”!!! I do believe that you or I could perform his job; wait for Scalia’s draft and concur!
By Janine
September 25, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten: RE:”Broadening their base”… First, Republicans need to focus on not losing the base they already have …or had. The war, although admittedly a divisive issue, is not the only issue that may cause a loss of votes.. If we do indeed lose the House and/or the Senate, it will in no small measure be due to [1] pandering to the religious ultra right that has NOT limited itself to the pandering zone that you mention, and [2]ignoring the illegal immigration issue that is a bone of contention for even the “growing middle class of minorities” that you mention. Maintaining and broadening will not happen as long as these issues [or ignoring of these issues] are front and center.
By Van
September 25, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
KP,
Well, we will not mention Lieberman and how well the Democrat party treated him. McCain is as out od step with republicans as Lieberman was with the donkey party.
In contrast to the Democrats we are about as open a party as anyone, while the democrats seems to be as closed as the Hezbo’s. If you do not toe the line, you are out and we wil not support you.
By Van
September 25, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat,
As a strict Constitionalists, I fine Justice Thomas a great jusrist. I am no lawyer, but Mr. Thomas understands what the founding documents mean and stands for.
By Janine
September 25, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
Legal immigrants, and I work with both legal and illegals, are quite vocal about their stance on illegals being treated so well. They don’t like it. Most feel that all immigrants should have to go through the same process that they themselves faced before becoming legal. ANd, …*most Hispanic immigrants DO NOT have any desire to become citizens. *They would prefer not to face the problems of illegals, but their main objective: They want to work, get money, send it home, and eventually go back home themselves..
By Rod
September 25, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this
Clinton nailed it on the head.
While he was trying to get rid of Bin Laden, all the Republicans were harrassing him about it. When Bush got into office - he did nothing about Bin Laden. After 9/11, Bush and the Republicans blamed it all on Clinton.
Clinton did his job - Bush didn’t - and that’s why 9/11 happened. Bush had 8 months to try and do something - instead, he dismissed the entire issue - until it cost American lives.
THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT!!!!!
By Rod
September 25, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Clinton nailed it on the head.
While he was trying to get rid of Bin Laden, all the Republicans were harrassing him about it. When Bush got into office - he did nothing about Bin Laden. After 9/11, Bush and the Republicans blamed it all on Clinton.
Clinton did his job - Bush didn’t - and that’s why 9/11 happened. Bush had 8 months to try and do something - instead, he dismissed the entire issue - until it cost American lives.
THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT!!!!!
By jbmlaw
September 25, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Southern, you and I will have to disagree, strongly, on Thomas’s writing. I know you and Harry Reid are trying to marginalize his work, but one need only read it to know better.
Thomas’s output is not at all like the undistinguished polemics of Justice Stevens, or the confused ambivalence of Justice Kennedy. Simple, straight-forward. (And note that Scalia got it wrong on the California marijuana case a year ago, but Thomas got it right.) By “short list of lawyers,” you surely omitted the adjective “Democrat,” correctly.
By mo
September 25, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
As an African-American, the reason why I would not be a Republican is simple: the rampant racism among the party faithful. I have seen on blogs and talked to Republicans when they are among themselves, and to hear the racist jargon that comes out of their mouths is simply appalling.
See, I’ve been hearing the rhetoric when the cameras are on and I hear inclusive speeches among Republicans, but that racist talk among the Republicans when they are among themselves just confirms the fact that they don’t think too kindly about black people.
For instance, go to Lucianne.com. Search for an article about Cynthia McKinney. Read the comments. Get sick to your stomach when thay talk about her being a “porch monkey” and other crazy and racist talk.
Next, go and look up Colin Powell. Read the comments. Get sick.
See, most people in the black middle class knows the closet racism that lurks in the Republican coffers and that the reason why they will never be a registered Republican.
Now, Michael Steele may get a lot of votes from us, but he will not convince a small iota to join that party. Shoot! If Colin Powell ran for President, the black vote will be solid behind him, but he still won’t get a lot of black people joining the Party.
See, Michael Steele, Colin Powell, John McCain, and other Republicans are liked by many black people because of who they are. If they ran as Republicans, Democrats, Independents, or Libertarians it wouldn’t matter. It’s their POSITION of ISSUES, not their party affiliations, that matter to us.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
Well, of course the good old boys party is racist
They do not serve we the people.
Support the Dems for we the people.
By jbmlaw
September 25, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Dear Mo @ 9:45, you are already thinking like a Republican. If you are voting the man, and not the party-position, you are closer to us than you are to the Democrats.
There is no political diversity among Democrats; try to find anti-abortion Democrats, or Democrats who favor vouchers to enable black Americans to escape the ghetto schools. I do not believe there is any issue uniting Republicans now, other than the necessity of fighting the Islamists in Iraq, and even there we have our northeast Republicans.
By Van
September 25, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Rod,
Clinton lied again. If he authorized the CIA to take out UBL, why is he still alive? (until verified, he is assumed to be alive).
Did the CIA goof up, then why didn’t Clinton clean house?
This good old Bubba is only worried about how he will be treated in History, nothing else.
BTW, did you ever notice that his Presidental Library and massage parlor looks like a double wide on blocks?
By JK
September 25, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
Know what I like about Libertarians? Like the Republicans, they don’t CARE if people wallow in poverty, starve, or die of curable diseases. But at least they’re HONEST about it!
By getalife
September 25, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
And of course, Andy’s favorite propaganda site plays the victim
Macaca.
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
September 25, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
By mo September 25, 2006 09:45 AM As an African-American, the reason why I would not be a Republican is simple: the rampant racism among the party faithful.
Mo: There are fringe groups on both sides of the political spectrum and this in no way means that these bigots have a voice in either party.
Well, in less you count Robert Byrd, but that’s a subject for another day.
My guess is that you went and found some hate that you wanted to hear and are now sharing it to further advance the agenda of the democrat party.
I could be wrong but I doubt it.
By Brian Curtis
September 25, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Well, let’s take a little quiz:
If you’re a bigot, which party will welcome you?
If you hate gays, which party should you vote for?
If you want the Bible to replace the Constitution as law of the land… which party’s candidates should get your support?
If you want to blow dark people up, like Jesus intended… where will you find like-minded supporters?
And if you’re sure that American workers just have it too darn good, and that’s the reason working-class families are drowning in debt… where should you go?
If this is the Republicans’ idea of ‘diversity,’ they need a new dictionary.
By Van
September 25, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
mo,
While I may disagree with you, I am puzzled.
Which President had the first africa-american Secretary of State? National Security Advisory?
Which party got the ‘65 Civil Rights bill through Congress?
I look at people like Larry Elders, Walter Williams and I am amazed at the clarity of their thinking. That clarity is missing with the democrats. The Democrats preach racial disharmony, while the GOP wants everyone to achive all they can.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Andy,
ml’s is open.
Mission Accomplished?
Not.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
As long as there are bigoted/racist blacks demanding racial spoils, “reparations” and dimwitted prominent blacks deliberately stirring racial antipathy like McKinney, Waters, Calypso Louis Farrakhan and self serving/self appointed demagogue Micky Mouse Reverends like Sharptongue and Jackasson there will sadly still be a very sizeable number of blacks who will blame whitey and “the man” for any socio-economic failure on their part.
Thankfully there are now millions of blacks in their vibrant, emerging middle class who are slowly beginning to put such bigoted thinking and robotic demands behind them. Once such shameless historically racially regimented thinking substantially dissipates then blacks will have the “freedom” to join and openly vote for other parties and NOT be race baited by sullen leftist blacks for asserting independence of mind and approach.
This is the big power struggle in the black community now - the racial spoils/NAACP crowd systematically intimidate anyone who goes against or questions their agenda. Just see how despicably very effective black GOP politicians like Michael Steele in Maryland and Ken Blackwell in Ohio are treated by many blacks and verminous liberals - “race traitor” and sundry racial epithets are hurled at them as if they are hooded klansmen. Such is the fear of racist/bigoted blacks to the modernising, changing face of black politics. The money and power of racial spoils is being challenged and such bigots ar naturally (almost) rabidly uppity.
Black conservatives and black GOP voters are the true “civil rights” heroes of their day and need every conservatives’ support - because our ideology and world view is based on true egality and the embracing of a true meritocracy, not a collective knuckle dragging outdated race baiting/pandering agenda.
By JK
September 25, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Hmm.. Sounds like somebody is trying to have it both ways. Either: (A) It’s all Clinton’s fault for not taking out Osama, (something Bush has also failed to do in five and a half years in office, so it’s Bush’s fault too), or (B) It’s not really about Osama “I just don’t think about him that much” and the war on “terra” is about stabilizing the Middle East, not really about Osama, like Bush says (in which case, it’s NOT all Clinton’s fault.)
Pick one, gentlemen. If you try to have it both ways, people will think Republicans are greedy, two-faced liars, not honorable, fair-minded, patriotic Americans.
By Rod
September 25, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Van - are you serious?
You said: “If he (Clinton) authorized the CIA to take out UBL, why is he still alive?”
Uh - maybe because UBL’s sneaky? Using your logic, that means you’re saying Bush still hasn’t ordered him caught/killed (since he’s still alive). Is that what you believe? If so, then tell your boy Bush to kill UBL!!
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
September 25, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
By Brian Curtis September 25, 2006 10:11 AM Well, let’s take a little quiz: If you’re a bigot, which party will welcome you? If you hate gays, which party should you vote for?
Brian: The liberals on the AJC blogs insult me by calling me a gay and a woman.
Can you think this through on your own?
These are not the smartest questions you could be asking.
By Richard
September 25, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Hey JK, you mean the Republicans aren’t greedy, two-faced liars?
By Richard
September 25, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Hey The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag - what was the point to your 10:23 post? You gave a bad link and said the liberals on the blogs insulted you? Poor wittle baby. Yeah, TFTT and other Republican bloggers never insult the Democrats on here. Yeah.
Grow up (and grow a dick).
By Van
September 25, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Brian Curtis
Just the first two items
If you’re a bigot, which party will welcome you?
How about the one with a former KKK Grand Wizard, or was it Lizard, Mr. Byrd.
If you hate gays, which party should you vote for?
I don’t know, why don’t you ask the Log Cabin Republicans?
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
I see stupid DICK is back - unable to proffer anything other than abuse!!
By JK
September 25, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Richard, SSHHHHH! It’s called self-discovery. Help them look in the mirror and face their true inner selves. Calling them names only brings out their inner bully. They’ll say, “Nuh-UH!” and kick sand in your face.
By deegee
September 25, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
I can’t understand why there aren’t more macacas in the Republican party.
By Van
September 25, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Rod,
The CIA had UBL in their sights at least three times and the President did not have the stones to pull the trigger.
He has admitted to turning down the offer from Sudan to hand over UBL.
He thought terrorist attacks against the US were a law enforcement item, how naive. When an Embassy is attacked it isn’t something for the FBI, it is an act of war. When a Navy ship is attacked it is not something the FBI investigates, it is an act of war.
By RGrossman
September 25, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Have only time for one post so I’m going to try and make all my points. (And I’ll try to do it without using “we” and “us”.)
One of the most important, if not the most important things the Republicans must do is to become more aware and concerned about how those not in the fold or on the fringes regard them. I am NOT advocating pandering or compromise, just being aware of common criticisms and doing their best to insulate action from those criticisms.
Not to beat a dead horse but my comments yesterday regarding the Voter ID bill are a perfect example of how not to do this. This ill-conceived, ham fisted effort opened the door for miles of column inches and hours of corner conversation of the GOP’s effort to hold down minority voters. This is a specious charge but the construction of the bill and the manner in which it was defended just reinforced what was being said.
The bill did nothing to address the problems inherent in absentee voting, in fact it loosening the rules as they relate to AB’s. (How do I know that? From the left leaning Jay Bookman’s column which is exactly my point.) The common perception is that AB’s are a tool of the wealthy and the white while the poor and the minority will primarily go to the booth. This was followed by the absurd statements of the vacuous and impolitic Sue Burmeister that, while they may have been taken out of context, just reinforced the perception already in play.
Why does any of this matter? The fact is that in politics, perception is reality. If a bill, effort or statement can be constructed, without compromise of principle to avoid perception problems, then the GOP should do so. It must act with common sense, but in a circumspect manner. This kind of careful attention to detail is the best insulation possible to take away the easy brickbats often served up to GOP critics on a silver patter.
Republicans need to slow down and realize that they actually have the power. They need to drop the victim mentality (please stop whining about the media bias, wars on Christmas and the like, they make us look weak), vote for the best Republican running rather than the highest profile one, toss out the demagogues, and (and this is vital) stop trying to do everything at once.
Republicans need to wake up and realize that governing means providing leadership to all of the people, not just “the base”. While an opposition party can pander straight to their base, a governing party cannot afford that luxury. Such pandering only allows the opposition to build strength in years between elections. Careful attention to what stereotypes the opposition uses and insulating without compromising actions from such accusations will work toward inclusion, rather than exclusion.
But that’s just my view.
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
September 25, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
Thanks for the heads up, getalife, hehehe.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
hypocritical feminazi JK - what about all the hypocritical names ALL you leftists call us conservatives on here though??
its invariably pinko “homophobes” (such a moronic micky mouse word if ever there was one) that seek to demean their conservative betters using the “you’re a poof or effeminate” abuse. Surely lefties shouldn’t be using such demeaning “discriminatory” abuse that scum like Kennedy and Clinton and Dean condemn the GOP for to score empty points!! Surely you simpering leftie hypocrites should actually be excoriating (look it up love) any pinko creep that does this for using steroetypical abuse!!
But we all know that YOU LEFTIES ARE GIANT HYPOCRITES!!
By RGrossman
September 25, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
I think I’ll use bold less from now on.
Jeez.
By MELO
September 25, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
The GOP is a party of rednecks and homophobs. It wil be hard for you to attract blacks and hispanics in any significant number because u do not need them because you feel threatened! When blacks and hispanics move into your neighborhoods you flee, so how can you turn around and say you need them?
By JK
September 25, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
Hello Van, Which is it? (A)It’s all Clinton’s fault for not getting Osama (Then why did Bush say he’s not really that concerned with Osama and then attack Iraq? Why did he pull the troops from Osama’s last known residence to attack Saddam?) Or (B)Osama is not all that important, as Bush says (Why are you still blaming Clinton for something that’s not important?) You can’t cannot have it both ways and hope to make sense. PICK ONE and answer the corresponding question. Unless you can’t, in which case, you make no sense.
By Victor J. Williams
September 25, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
Well, we finally have an interesting topic! I’m a 25 year old Christian, Black, male from Birmingham, AL. 1.I am strongly pro life. 2.I believe affirmative action is a necessary balance to past and present discrimination. 3.I don’t care about same sex marriages, but I don’t believe that homosexuals should receive the same benefits that real married couples receive (Health benefits, etc.) 4.Al Sharpton is a joke. 5.Time for The Truth is a joke. 6.I believe lower taxes FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS are crucial to the vitality of the economy. 7.I was for the Iraq war because I was told that Sadaam had, or was developing “weapons of mass destruction” (I’m thinking nuclear weapons here). However, I can’t help but feel suckered now that one has yet to have been found. 8.I believed that North Korea was much more of a threat because they REALLY have a nuke (and made no bones about letting people know about it). 9.I voted for Gore in 2000 because of the overall great job the Clinton administration did. 10.I voted for Bush is 2004 hoping (and rightly so) that there would be vacancies on the Supreme Court, therefore providing the chance for pro-life judges being appointed.
What point am I making? I really don’t know. All I know is that I don’t consider myself a Democrat, Republican, Liberal, or Conservative. I think it’s foolish for people to support either party with such passion and fervor. Do Republicans really think that God is going to forget your hate filled dialogue of the Civil Rights era (when many of those people are still in politics)? Are Democrats so deceived as to believe that abortion isn’t murder? You all are foolish. Especially you “Time for the Truth”. Why are my fellow Americans so self-righteously stupid?
By Van
September 25, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
JK,
Clinton may have tried to kill UBL by throwing a few cruise missles, but he did not go far enough. Samolia was the turning point for UBL, when he saw the US sneak out under the cover of the UN, he knew we were weak.
As in many wars, the leaders of them are not the main target, the command structure is. If we can destroy the people between UBL and the islamic murdering dogs, we cut off the head. Sure having UBL cold in the ground, face down of course, would be great, just like having Hitler or Tojo dead and buried would have been a good thing during WWII. Would it have ended WWII earlier - Don’t know and don’t know how to research that one.
Now do not get me wrong, I think we should have gone into this war on terror with everything we had and not with a smaller, smarter military. Personally, overwhelming force has a nice ring to it. BTW, chasing armed fighters into a neutral country is allowed. If the enemy is surrendering to the neutral countries authorities, then the pursuit and the fighting halts, if they continue to fight, too bad. Keep that in mind Pakistan.
By Not a Homophobe
September 25, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
I am scared I might be gay, and I find gay men pretty scary (yet, very attractive) BUT I AM NOT A HOMOPHOBE.
I HATE THE AJC AND MIKE LUCKOVICH
By Realist
September 25, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
A. The republicans owe you leftist radicals NO answers or excuses for why they do anything. More Americans feel safe under Republican control. That and falling gas prices spell defeat.
B. The republicans do not need votes from the illegals or the likes of you leftist radical posters who come to this blog to hold seats. Sorry if you thought they did.
C. If you think someone owes you answers, I suggest wwww.askjeeves.com .
D. Clinton looked like an absolute clown when he came unglued on Fox. Only guilt causes such extreme defensiveness in men. We have seen him shake that finger before while lying through his teeth. Its nothing new or important.
E. Several members of the 09/11 commission and ex-fbi and ex-cia have discredited Clintons statements on the air and challenged him on all of it.
F. off liberals.
By Van
September 25, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
JK,
The reaon I am upset with Bubba, the democrat one, not the republican one, is if UBL had been taken out, 9/11 might not have happened. I am not saying it would not happen, but just might not have happened to the extent it did.
By JK
September 25, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Van, I respect what you’re saying. Hindsight is 20/20 and all. Clinton did, however, warn the incoming administration, who then did nothing for nearly eight months. Cheney never once convened his little committee that was supposed to look into that. Memos warning of attack were seen as “CYA” material and not given the attention that could have saved lives. Lots of balls were dropped along the way.
Don’t you honestly think the “blame Clinton” mantra is tired and overblown? Do you not remember that the Republican Congress repeatedly dragged him away from his duties to address zipper issues, and then berated him for any military action he DID take? I mean, you remember the 90’s, right? I do. I’m just sayin’.
By Realisp Not a Homophobe
September 25, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
After all, s/he was in a fraternity for 6 years at U of Alabama.
Been there, done that. Not afraid any more.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Victor is another lame wannabe black demagogue …smirk
What’s all this deranged, pathetic bollocks about god “forgiving” Republicans??!!
If anything god believes in self sufficiency NOT racist quotas and racial pandering!!
But ignoring god - as one should in such strictly temporal debates - at least morons like Victor screech as emptily as any other bigoted black does when confronted about their endless expectations and disgusting demands for racist quotas and racial pandering.
I love brainless superstitious bigoted blacks like you Victor - you make the case for really modernising racial politics even more imperative.
By Realist
September 25, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
Lets not forget Ms. JK that the “duties” Mr. Clinton got “dragged” away from where obviously not pursuing Osama Bin Laden but rather a young intern, carrying on a long affair, buying flowers and gifts, phone calls, secret rendevous, etc. To make it sound like one quick BJ is a lie. It was a lengthy distracting affair that took away from his duties as Commander in Chief and disgraced his office.
To say Bush did nothing 8 measley months when BC had 8 YEARS is the most utterly insane dishonest thing Ive ever heard.
Why do you hate America JK?
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
Realist
your point F. was by far the most apposite and compelling on your list.
By Rent Norwegian
September 25, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Is it the last week of the month? That explains Realisp’s last comment. (pms is not pretty). Isn’t there like a pill he can take? I think its a shame that his mother didn’t raise him to be a more hygienic girl.
The latest report about the war in Iraq comes from the folks in the spy agencies and the best and brightest minds we have. They corroborate everything the democrats have been saying for the past three years.
We need to stop this slide into madness by the evangelical religious right into mutually assured destruction.
The right now has one argument left: “Okay, democrats, then YOU fix our mess, You get us out, and You turn back the clock before we invaded and let the UN inspectors do it’s job.”
It’s so over for the Repudlickans that I predict an historic landslide for the democrats. The falling gas prices right before the elections is so manipulative that even the most virulent tobacco spitter out there smells a rat in the white house.
It will takes years for the Repudlickans to get the congress back. It’s a matter of trust.
By JK
September 25, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Realist, monica me Dude. It wasn’t my job to kick the extra point. Why do you have to take your frustrations out on everyone else?
By RGrossman
September 25, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
I know I said I only had time for one post, but I have time for a second, so here goes. This one goes to Clinton obsession and to accuracy.
First, we need to stop worrying about Bill Clinton. Stop it. Right now! He is a past President and while his actions may affect current events his power to influence those same events begins and ends with the amount of attention afforded to him.
I was never a fan of Clinton, I never understood his popularity. But the fact is that he was and remains popular with a large segment of the population and with minorities in particular. A continued negative campaign against him may make us feel better but I believe it hurts us in the long run. It makes us look as if we can’t deal with the problems facing us and therefore need a person to take part of the blame. Kind of like my kids when one breaks a lamp and points the finger at the other.
Clinton is no longer President. He is not even the guy that was in office last term. He is part of history and history will judge him apart from any politics. He is a dead horse and it should be the goal of every Republican to never again speak his name. Let it go.
The GOP is often perceived as being backward looking. Let’s not reinforce that image. Time to look forward! (It’s fun to call the left the “blame America first crowd” but how will we feel when “the Republicans are the blame Clinton first crowd” becomes part of the popular culture?)
Secondly, we need to make certain when we make statements that we are absolutely accurate. Deserved or not the GOP has recently earned the reputation of playing fast and loose with the facts. More and more people every day believe that the administration cooked the intelligence to take us into Iraq. It may not be true, but recall that in politics perception is reality. Therefore, from today forward we need to make certain that if we make a charge or statement that it is accurate in every sense.
To tie my two point’s together look at today’s arguments regarding Clinton and UBL. The accusation that UBL was offered to Clinton has been pretty well discredited. The 911 report in Chapter 4 covers that pretty well. And even if we still believe it to be true, That really doesn’t matter when it’s pretty simple for someone to knock down our arguments with a minimum of effort. Yet it still gets popped out on a regular basis and few believe it other than those that already agree with us. And when it does we have to jump through hoops to avoid (mostly unsuccessfully) appearing to be blinded to the truth by our partisanship.
Clinton is history. If his wife runs then make the campaign against her, she has given us plenty of ammunition. But he is gone and we need to stop bringing him back to the forefront of people’s minds. And if you are not absolutely sure a fact is a fact then keep it to yourself. Learn to discern facts from opinion and chose words carefully.
We are fighting for hearts and minds here at home as well.
But that’s just my view.
By Stark
September 25, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
The Georgia Republican party is far from diverse. Qualified blacks have a difficult time winning local elections in Republican primaries. The only blacks elected to state-wide office are Democrats.
White Democrats became Republicans in Georgia because they thought blacks had gained too much power.
If state Republicans are for inclusion, there is not much proof to support that contention. In Georgia, Republican diversity is nothing but a theory.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
it seems hypocritical feminazi JK and other (resident) pinko lefties are ignoring INDEFENCIBLE PROOF of their blatant hypocrisy re: homosexual and gender cyber abuse!!
what would real feminazis and real homosexual loving pinkos say if they saw avowed leftists continuously resorting to posting such STEREOTYPICAL ABUSE??!!
typical cowardly liberals!
By getalife
September 25, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Realfake,
The neocons screamed about Clinton attacking OBL.
The problem was and is the neocons.
They are responsible for the Iraq disaster.
Blame them hypocrite.
By Victor J. Williams
September 25, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Demagogue: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power.
It strikes me as a little odd that your handle is Time for the Truth yet you have to begin your argument with “But ignoring god”. God is neither prejudice or false. :)
By @@
September 25, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Jim: I’m not so much concerned with whether or not African Americans vote for the Republican party, as I am with all Americans getting on board with what will serve us as a “whole” society.
I will, however, be honest enough to say that I am strongly opposed to the tactics used by the Democrat party since the Civil Rights Movement. It has been destructive to African Americans and the country as a healthy, cohesive society.
That being said, I’d like to share my excitement over recent revelations on the part of black “Democrats” who are acknowledging where their party may have failed them, and are encouraging responsibility in recognizing that fact. Juan Williams (a hard-core Democrat) has recently published a book, “Enough” (The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America).
Barack Obama touched on the same issue in his 2004 DNC Keynote Address which he entitled “The Audacity of Hope”.
As a former Democrat who now votes Republican, I have to give credit where it is due. This attitude towards individual accomplishment took it’s roots among black conservatives well before it infiltrated the thought of guys like Williams and Obama.
This is a critical step that may, very well, rid the Democrat Party of it’s extreme left-wing ideaology that a sensitive, and politically correct approach will bring about progress.
Nope! Open and honest discussion will.
Thanks for the opportunity to do just that.
jbmlaw: Michael Steele rocks. He’s funny, articulate, committed and intelligent. Love the guy.
By Realist
September 25, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
Ms. JK,
The boys played a terrific game. Shouldve won it but didnt. Thats how it goes sometimes. Same thing happened to Florida some years back, and Bama won. At the end of the day, when you hang up the cleats and the whistle, you hope you break even on stuff like that.
If you thought I was one of those insane redneck fans who goes into deep depression when “thier” team loses, you are wrong. I went to the school, played a short time at the school, and remain associated with the school. It was just one game of hundreds more I will have the pleasure of watching and knowing the young men who play.
Take care.
By Janine
September 25, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Victor@11:11and TFTT@11:32 included another reason [or actually one already mentioned] we [Republicans] are losing ground in today’s multicultural Ameica…even though Victor says he is unaffiliated…: Asserting that only they know what God would think, do, forgive, not forgive,and feel quite comfortable speaking for Him How patently absurd!!!
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
bigot Victor
you demand the continuance of evil racist quotas, you sneer at Republicans for their “hate” etc and essentially if not overtly call them racists, you emptily sneer at me for simply stating the AWKWARD FACTS about the professional racial spoils demagogues.
your demagoguery is lame and obtuse - but its still demagoguery in intent, its just p!ss poor obtuse demagoguery.
Thee is NO evidence at all for the existence of god mate - you clearly are a fideist which is your right - injecting god into such a blatantly “profane” debate is moronic and smacks of the insecurity of someone seeking to ram their religious views down the throats of others. Note I made no mention of my religious views - or lack of - until you SMUGLY and repeatedly injected yours!!
You really do seem extremely dim and stupid, especially given that this drivel is the best argument you can muster??!!
By Chip H
September 25, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Jim, As an upper middle class, ivy league educated, church going black man, you would think the republican party would make an effort to win my vote. Financially there are probably much more to my personal benefit in the republican platform than the democratic.
But there’s a couple of problems they will have to overcome. The first is cease using racial codewords and bigotry to divide the country. The first president Bush, made great use of it with his Willie Horton ads and Carl Rove still uses the tactic today. Publicly condem and disavow those who use those tactics, from false arguments over affirmative action to treating a black dealer with crack more harshly than a white dealer with cocaine. Punish them both equally hard. Then I might think you’re serious about not being a bigot.
Second you have to realize that many Americans, especially black Americans have been raised to sacrifice some personal benefit for the greater good, why do you think the bus boycotts were so supported even by those who needed them as their sole source of transport. Social welfare programs are not all evil in our eyes, and public education should be supported above private to help establish common values that keep a country strong. Taking money from public schools and giving it to private schools will not win over large sections of black voters. Improving those schools, allowing choice among public schools regardless of districts is a more attractive policy.
By Victor J. Williams
September 25, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Um… Forget and forgive are two different words.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Janine
it should have been fairly apparent I was being somewhat sardonic if not at the very least dismissive in tone about god … especially as I pointed out it was a “strictly temporal” debate and I pointed out that Victor was being “superstitious”.
Perhaps love you should remedially polish your reading and comprehension skills before emptily asserting that my point/post was “absurd”
By Chip H
September 25, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
Jim, As an upper middle class, ivy league educated, church going black man, you would think the republican party would make an effort to win my vote. Financially there are probably much more to my personal benefit in the republican platform than the democratic.
But there’s a couple of problems they will have to overcome. The first is cease using racial codewords and bigotry to divide the country. The first president Bush, made great use of it with his Willie Horton ads and Carl Rove still uses the tactic today. Publicly condem and disavow those who use those tactics, from false arguments over affirmative action to treating a black dealer with crack more harshly than a white dealer with cocaine. Punish them both equally hard. Then I might think you’re serious about not being a bigot.
Second you have to realize that many Americans, especially black Americans have been raised to sacrifice some personal benefit for the greater good, why do you think the bus boycotts were so supported even by those who needed them as their sole source of transport. Social welfare programs are not all evil in our eyes, and public education should be supported above private to help establish common values that keep a country strong. Taking money from public schools and giving it to private schools will not win over large sections of black voters. Improving those schools, allowing choice among public schools regardless of districts is a more attractive policy.
By Rent Norwegian
September 25, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Janine, tftt is very religious. Today he’s celebrating the Feast of the Inserted Absorption. (it’s a holey day of blogligation)
Funny how he gets this way at the end of every month. But I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.
By Stark
September 25, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
With all the black conservatives in Georgia there should be a few good black Republican candidates to vote for in the upcoming General election.
Can any of you point them out? Any Hispanics?
By Van
September 25, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
JK
To paraphrase some from the left -
“Clinton lied, thousands died.” would be too easy.
During that critical 8 months, what did the democrats in Congress do? Stonewalled the new Presidents appointees. Great show of team work.
What did Clinton do his first year in office? He ignored his CIA Director, Woolsey and only saw his twice in the first two years. Even after the ‘93 World Trade Center bombings.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
Chip is just a more (self described) urbane racebaiter … way to go Chip!! Your arguments are that of a Harvard (or wherever) simpleton!! Did you get in because of racist quotas with a lower grade average than other students because of your race?
By Lease Scandinavian
September 25, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Timefortheturd, why dont you just post, “Ditto, Smooch, and Ball Tickle”?
Your posts are the exact same dribbled sphynctarian extract that you grunt out every day all day 24/7 365.
In fact just post the punctuation mark ” for ditto. No, better, post ’ for half a ditto to match your half wit.
You’re not all there man. I’m trying to save you from yourself. You have to read the hate and bile you write first, before anyone else, as you write it. You’re killing yourself, man.
Try not posting for six months, you’ll be a new man. Nobody reads you anyway, (except your aliases), and I think it’s a shame you’re killing yourself for nothing.
Save yourself man, you cant keep up with the times which are a changin. You’re as obsolete as the hanging chad, (now dont overreact to that).
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
@ Norwegian rent boy
sad little wankers like you are sent by Allah the merciful and compassionate to further bolster the argument for more rigorous genetic selection!
By Realist
September 25, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Second you have to realize that many Americans, especially black Americans have been raised to sacrifice some personal benefit for the greater good, why do you think the bus boycotts were so supported even by those who needed them as their sole source of transport.
I agree completely, blacks will sacrifice for the greater good, OF BLACKS. Show me a black who sacrifices for the greater good including whites, and I will show you a republican. Chip, to lay all the responsibility on the federal government and place none on the black community isnt very “ivy-ish”. Changes and willingness to live and work together must take place on both sides equally. As long as the black community is represented by people like Mckinney, Sharpton, Jackson, et.al. its never going to happen, because those peoples job are inherently dependant on creating division.
By Victor J. Williams
September 25, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Hmmm…. Time for the Truth: Relax. Calm down. It’s going to be okay. You and I both know that your “arguments” are composed of nothing but rage and insults. I enjoy the mental exercise that debate offers but for some reason you continue to lose your temper. Maybe you’ve become frustrated with not being able to address/rebut my arguments. Whatever problems you’re having at home are just (as you put it) “temporal”.
What religion are you referring to and who’s throat is receiving it?
2.“Thee is NO evidence at all for the existence of god mate”
Why bother responding to this?
2.”Note I made no mention of my religious views.”
Who cares about you? You’re not even American, you’re British.
By Dana
September 25, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Wow. I see we are all in rare form today!
TFTT - I think you made some valid points in your 10:19 post, but then you go off on such absurd rants that you totally lose credibility with any intelligent person, left or right.
RGrossman and Victor j Williams - this is the first I’ve seen either of you but I have to say you absolutely make great sense, and I’m glad to have read your posts.
Realist, your 11:20 post was ridiculous. You (republicans) may not owe the radical left explanations but you most assuredly owe the US explanations of the assinine decisions that have been made. Like it or not, we ALL live here, we are ALL AMERICANS and, here is a little secret: we are all equals. Take a quick look at the Declaration of Independence if you need a refresher.
By Bella
September 25, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
As a black woman who grew up in a racially mixed community, attended predominantly white private schools, graduated from an ivy league university and married a man of Italian descent, let me tell why I will never personally join the Republican party.
The Republican Congress cut funding for student loans—the very education loans that help people out of poverty. The Republican party is more interested in tax breaks for wealthy patrons than the middle class majority. The Republican party is more interested in any fetus I might be carrying than ME. The Republican party is more interested in where/how/to whom I worship than running the country.
By Redneck Convert
September 25, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Well, I’m on a break from my new beer-truck job, so I’ll chime in.
One big reason I’m a Republican is it’s a white person’s party. If I wanted to vote for Those People, I would vote Democrat. And I don’t want any Mexicans in office either. The Democrat party used to support us, but it don’t anymore.
Anyway, as long as Sonny and Johnny and Lynn and Saxby are in office, I know I won’t have to worry about race-mixing. Up here in Forsyth County, we take a dim view of that. If we aren’t careful, I could walk in to Billy Bob’s one day and find one of Those People sitting there.
That’s why I’m proud to be a Republican. Well, got to get back to stocking up the bars. But don’t tell nobody. The missus says if the preacher finds out about my new job, he might preach down at me. What she don’t know is that he shows up once in a while at Billy Bob’s too. But he only has three or four before he goes home.
By Stark
September 25, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
So Realist, Herman Cain, Colin Powell, Condy Rice, Obama Barak, Oprah Winfrey, Shirly Franklin, Lynn Swann, Clarence Thomas are not black leaders?
I guess that explains why Georgia Republicans won’t elect black candidates, they are all Cynthia McKinney to them. I guess that also explains why there aren’t more black Georgia Republicans.
By JK
September 25, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Van, so what you’re telling me is, regardless of who had power when, or who did what, or who failed to do what, or who has power NOW and is failing miserably, you’re still ALWAYS going to BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR EVERYTHING and give the Republicans a pass on everything, no matter what. Is that what you’re saying? I want to be clear before hearing your plans for moving forward and actually resolving something.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
time for the truth is an illegal immigrant .
Fake American.
By Dana
September 25, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
And now to actually comment on the topic. Jim - I like the way you set this up and I like the questions.
IMHO, the way for BOTH parties to win more constituents, both minority and non, is to begin to behave with a more respectful and inclusive (rather than exclusive) manner. Both parties have too much of a “club” behaviour, and it seems that the parties, (other than immediately prior to an election, of couse) are only concerned with people who think and behave exactly like they do. Yet we are a very diverse country, with incredible contributions made to our society from all directions.
If only we had a political party who actually cared what the average American thinks, needs and wants. But we don’t. We have agendas, we have politicians who have no more in common with me than I have with a man in Kosovo, and we have too many Americans who want to go around pointing fingers and playing the blame game, and not enough who care enough to make the effort to get out and improve the country we all live in.
By bon scott
September 25, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
@@,
The “extreme left wing ideology” arm of the Democratic Party is just the one I’d like to see restrained. It should at least clip it’s nails.
And the Republican Party might be wise to distance itself from some of it’s radical elements as well.
Two extremes with a huge, forgotten middle. Go figure.
Nice post.
By VERITAS
September 25, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
As more and more African Americans attain middle class status and watch their tax dollars disappear, the hold the Democrats have on them will disintegrate over time.
Its a green thing(money), not black or white. I fail to see what the Democratic Party offers Blacks. Their vote is taken for granted.
A major 3rd Party is needed to teach the Dems & Republians a lesson !
By Dana
September 25, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
mmm - far be it from me to defend TFTT, but he IS AN AMERICAN folks - just the same as you or I. Insult him if you like, (he certainly deserves it much of the time) but lay off the not American thing.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
@ Norwegian rent boy
a typical rednekks NAMBLA hissy fit!!
obviously your liberal pinko client base is dramatically diminishing every day rent boy … I guess rednekks vermin is the ONLY one you can still call a regular client (gedditt??)
SOD OFF REDNECKS … your latest moronic id as pathetic as all the others!!
By Van
September 25, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
JK, Quit the pity party, I have critized both parties and both administrations.
The lefties love Bill for some unknown reason. He did good in Bosnia and failed miserably in Somalia.
As I have seen with the party of tolerance, not the democrats, they can accept critizism and roll with the punches. As all the conservatives have stated in many, many blogs. Bush has failed us on several issues, but he has remained stedfast in his core beliefs and not swayed like a palm tree in the winds of polls and focus groups.
By RW-(the original)
September 25, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
One thing I can never figure out about the solidarity of the black vote with the Democrats is that it’s done in spite of obvious bigotry by the Democrats.
Earlier, up ^ ^ ^ there someone puts down Justice Thomas as nothing but a Scalia houseboy. Thomas writes some of the best, most unambiguous opinions of any of the justices. He is easy to put down as stupid or uncaring, by Democrats, simply because he’s black. I find that absolutely appalling and I would think everyone that isn’t a bigot would too.
By Realist
September 25, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Dana, I humbly submit that it is flawed thinking on your part to refer to the American majority as “US”. The bloggers here, both left and right, are probably not a good sampling of average American voters. The mere fact that you blog on political topics day in day out and have radical opinons seperates you greatly from the mainstream voter. Sorry if you didnt already know that, but Im just sayin.
When you look at the previous elections and voter turnout, middle class and rural America make up a large portion of the country, or RED states as we call them. Its my opinion that the issues on the minds of those voters, as evidenced by some polls, say that the republicans fare very well again come election time on strong economic figures, especially the farming sector in the mid-states, lower gas, and terror related national security.
Bella, Student loans are still readily available to anyone qualified to recieve them. They did not change the qualification standards I dont believe, just the budget for the programs. When you or the democrats can come forward with cases of qualified indiviudals being rejected, let us know. They simply trimmed the excess that dems had built into the program. By the way, you did a very admirable job of posting a typical democratic rhetoric filled rant. “Republicans hate blacks, students, the middle class, and women”. You may want to actually look at the numbers and facts though. Students loans are as available today as they ever were, the middle class has actually risen in standing and wealth over the last 6 years, (no, $20k/year IS NOT MIDDLE CLASS). I think many who call themselves MIDDLE CLASS need to look at the statistics and see where the really stand. The middle class hard working people in this country are doing very well, the lower class and lazy not so good, and rightly so.
By Leah
September 25, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
The problems with the Republican Party has less to do with race and more to do with critical thinkers. The leader of the party says “You’re either with us or against us.” So if I disagree with a particular issue, where does that leave me? The Democratic Party is not as monolithic as the Republican Party. They are allowed to voice their own opinions. Remember how many left Clinton’s side? Though I consider myself an independent voter, I find that Republicans march lock step. Where are the moderates? I vote for the the individual; not the party. As a Christian, I don’t want to force my views and beliefs upon anyone.
Does this make me a Republican or a Democrat?
By JK
September 25, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Van, I’ll believe that when you can go a week without harping on what “Clinton did.” That’s all I’m saying.
Back to topic, I’m still trying to figure out why in the heck the GOP appeals to white folks. You can’t get any whiter than my pale behind, and I’m thoroughly unimpressed.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
bigot Victor
you racist tosspot!!! I am NOT British - I am ENGLISH!!! Though I am British when it comes to constantly winning the Ryder CUP!! …huge smirk
why do you leftist morons INSIST on playing the pathetic “rage” card as well as the race card??!!
BTW I am simply LMFAO at ya. Its good fun hammering morons like you Victor!! As well as making telling awkwards points about racist quotas and racial spoils and racial pandering and black bigotry that you bigots cannot answer.
you are unbelievably dishonest!! you mentioned god repeatedly - that is religion matey - be it christian/jewish or mohammedan!!
Dana …
ALL my points are excellent - its your own obtuse LEFTIST/religious bias that keeps you in denial :)
which of my excellent points are you whining about?
By Correction
September 25, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
This is the pity party Van….
“Waaaaaaaaaaaa the liberal media is mean. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
“WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, there is a war against Christmas, WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
“WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Bush is not dumb. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”
“WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA we hate French Fries, WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA.”
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
what about you feminazi JK going even half a week without witlessly harping on about Bush??!!
By Southern Democrat
September 25, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw @ 10:01, your point on the lack of diversity within the Democratic Party is somewhat valid, but I hope that it is turning the corner. Harry Reid, as you well know, is anti-abortion and Casey in PA (the son of THE Casey) who will beat Santorum is also anti-abortion. Similarly, I think Eliot Spitzer is not necessarily a left-wing Democrat… these are the names that just come to the front of my mind, but there are others that are trying to push the Democrats back to the middle. If they ever hope to represent moderates like myself, they need to be successful.
By CD
September 25, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
I suggest that everyone read “Losing the race” by Prof. McWhorter,it clearly and succinctly defines the ails of “African-Americans”,myself excluded as I define myself a Black American, who proudly served his country as a US Marine. That African American mess was started by “Run Jesse Run” Jackson,whom I absolutely detest. As stated in the Bible John 9:25 For I was once blind,now I see, bests describes me. Ironically by that “black prez” Clinton! OOHH-RRAHH Semper Fi and God Bless America!
By getalife
September 25, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
After Clinton’s smack down on the propaganda channel, their last argument is done.
Please provide a link for w’s administration going after OBL before 9/11.
The truth always come out. W did nothing about OBL and 9/11 happened on his watch.
He invaded Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Deal with reality.
By Corey
September 25, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Great! Blog on race, sex or religion and watch the flame throwers on both sides of the aisle go absolutely beserk!
By Lease Scandinavian
September 25, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
If there was any such thing as group think in a cemetery, then it’s been unearthed in the skeletal remains of logic posted by the neo-numbskulls on the right who dare to take digs at the liberals on this blog.
The droning dirge of wrong after wrong after wrong complete the funereal last rites for the right and lay to rest any possible last moment resurection in the palls.
The GOP is dead. Long live the Democrats. Our country is back!
By Corey
September 25, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Great! Blog on race, sex or religion and watch the flame throwers on both sides of the aisle go absolutely beserk!
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
CD
good post mate … ALL clear thinking Americans despise the non reverend racial hustler Jackasson!!
By Curious Observer
September 25, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
I’m still trying to figure out why in the heck the GOP appeals to white folks. You can’t get any whiter than my pale behind, and I’m thoroughly unimpressed.
Allow me to suggest that the modern GOP has taken the place of the old Southern Democrat party. Racism—and little else—accounts for the fact that so many white people with so little to gain from voting for the GOP will willingly do so, even against their economic interests. Strom Thurmond isn’t dead; he has undergone a transmutation. That’s why the South is so red. Just look at the content of the messages from the conservatives on this blog. They reek of racism and stereotyping.
By Dana
September 25, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Realist - there is NOTHING radical about my political views, unless you consider the fact that I feel strongly about my beliefs as radical. Which I imagine is your point, so I’ll take that. I was actually referring to Americans in general, but then one of my biggest disappointments is the very fact that a great many Americans pay no attention to politics at all.
By Realist
September 25, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
Though I am British when it comes to constantly winning the Ryder CUP!! …huge smirk
No offense old pal Truth, but its just golf. I love golf. But on both sides its just a bunch of soft fat nerds. I dont think Americans give two squirts who wins that thing(other than those playing it).
JK, You and other women, blacks, mexicans, etc do not relate with or support the GOP because they do not reach out or cater (pander) to you. Frankly, I think they believe, as evidenced by 2000, 2002, and 2004 that they can win and hold power without you. I dont know if thats because women, black, and mexican voter turnout is poor OR because they simply hate those people as many here contend. Either way, its no surprise who you support. When the tide turns and the GOP has to rely on women and blacks and illegals to get elected, maybe they will change thier stance on issues important to you.
By JK
September 25, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
Realist, thanks as always for breaking it down for me! I’m just a dumb ol’ gurl, and need to get my sweet cheeks back in the kitchen and get the cornbread & collards on, and leave the important discussions to big strong men like you, Van, & Troof. Got it. THANKS! (See ya’ at the votin’ place, if I can sneak out!)
By Be Informed!
September 25, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
Attention SIXTH DISTRICT: Your “Congressperson” Tom Price (R-hates brown people) is scheduled to debate Challenger Steve Sinton TONIGHT at the Roswell Regional Library, 115 Norcross Street in Roswell. (8:15 - 9:00 PM) Debate sponsored by the League of Women Voters.
By the way, “Congressperson” Price was a no-show at his last two debates. He’s one of the ten richest men in Congress, and we all know money buys victory, so why should he care?
By Dick
September 25, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
Hey Curious Observor; I am one of those “reds” you referred to as I live some 34 miles from the Florida state line. One can’t get much futher south in Georgia than I am. I guess you could label me a racist and I guess I do sterotype. But not the way that you and most liberal democratic party members class us as doing. By racism, I see two types of races. I see the race of workers and the race of non-working deadbeats. As to sterotyping I see those who want to give for the betterment of mankind and then those who will literally walks miles to accept a free handout from the government. We need voter ID. I live in small town of 1200 people, and yes we had several who tried to vote twice in 2004. So it does happen, if it happens in a small town like mine, just think how many times it happens in larger towns. Our small town is made up of a lote of those who are yelling voters tax with the voter id bill, but yet have been known to walk 3 miles for free government hand outs. I don’t know any of the “reds” that you speak of who are racist based on color of skins, but rather on the workers and non workers. Likewise steroptyping is done not on race, color, religion but rather on those who give and those who expect to receive.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
Realist
trust me on this - there are millions of Americans who are upset they keep getting hammered, just as we Brits used to get sick of losing to the USA every two years until the Ryder Cup team was opened up to the Euros. I concede you might not care … but in Europe its much much bigger than here, especially for those like me who could care less about golf - except at Ryder Cup time. I personally know several Americans who really dont like being niggled about it - there was one yesterday who was very angry on here when I gloated a bit. The tone of the US NBC commentators was hilariously muted all day yesterday - in complete contrast with the triumphalist flag waving tone last time they won back in 1999!
By Southern Democrat
September 25, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
Jbmlaw, I would also humbly offer a fairly recent law review article dealing with Justice Thomas, particularly in light of Grutter, you can find it here. Also, I assume that you’re familiar with the late Judge Higginbotham’s Open Letter to Justice Thomas, stating that his views and stances are akin to the Plessy court in the wrongness of their application legally and morally.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this
Realist, thanks as always for breaking it down for me! I’m just a dumb ol’ gurl, and need to get my sweet cheeks back in the kitchen and get the cornbread & collards on, and leave the important discussions to big strong men like you, Van, & Troof
FINALLY some pragmatic realism from feminazi JK!!
a much belated well done indeed madam!!
By Realist
September 25, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
Great post Dick.
The problem is that its easier to yell RACISM where there is none, and keep cashing governement checks that get larger with each new welfare baby you spit out than it is to get a job and take care of yourself and your children and contribute to America.
In the white community when a mother is unfit and poor and unable to take care of her children, DFACs or the courts take them away. In the black community, there is a party because their WIC just increased.
This is where demoncrats want my hard earned money to go. They want to take back my tax cuts so they can increase programs like this. I DONT THINK SO!!
By getalife
September 25, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
Told ya “lies” is a fake American.
It is time for new leadership for our country
By Dana
September 25, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this
Realist - did you truly mean to say that women and minorities are unimportant to the GOP?
By KP
September 25, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You can’t be that stupid as to believe that DFACs only work for white communities. Boy, I may have to approve these designs on these John’s Creek high residency communities. Give you a little bit more company and “diversity”.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Realracist,
Tell us your opinion on Iraqi welfare again.
By Correction
September 25, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Welfare reform is credited with bringing the poverty rate down, as well as halving what we pay out in welfare. A mere fraction of the federal budget.
Your “hard earned” money is going to Iraq, and to Ted Stevens in Alaska. First the highway bill, then word that each Alaskan citizen gets a $1,200.00 check from the governmant this year.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
so much for free speech in the USA
this would have been hilarious - lets hope some Atlanta company has the balls to do something similar and ignores the usual vile liberal political correctness!!
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
September 25, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
I’ve been accused of abusing tftt - the fairy tranny terdburglar, Markanus, Realisp, and this new gal Andie - I will paraphrase what the greatest President since Lincoln once said - “I did not have sexual relations with any of those women.”
By Realist
September 25, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
KP, Johns Creek is the next Norcross. Do what you want, I do not live in Johns Creek or anywhere near a “love shack” adult store. Its a little too close to the “real” world for me. I wasnt throwing off on DFACS, though they are worthy of it. They serve everyone equally, yeah, sure. Im simpy saying that when a white woman keeps spitting out children she cant afford they are in danger of being taken away. When black women routinely keep spitting out children they get an increase in benefits. Argue all you want over it. If I need to cut and paste welfare statistics and show who gets it and who doesnt I will be glad to. We know where 80% of it goes, and its not to white mothers.
Dana, I was simply letting JK know that if she felt so left out by the GOP maybe its because they dont want her vote. Its the same conclusion I come to with the dems. They dont cater to my wants or needs or whats important to me, so I can only assume they dont need upper-middle class american mens votes. Its the great thing about this country, we have choices.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
GOT MY WHO TICKETS FOR NOVEMBER over the weekend!!
Should be another fabulous night out - yet another of the world class classic English live rock bands that have NEVER BEEN equalled by any of the pathetic garbage todays kiddies have been dragged up listening to. They might just be better than The Stones … not seen them since the superb Quadrophenia tour.
It would be nice to think that the dumbocrats - having endured kerry and the albore and mondale would adopt Won’t Get Fooled Again as their new anthem!! But yet another treasonous blame America liar will slither out to lose again in 08 for them!!
Clearly rednekkks will only attend the concert if Daltrey guarantees to sing “I’m A Girl (and my mother wont admit it)” … smirk
By Amanda
September 25, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
I’ve been accused of abusing tftt
I think the only thing you’ve been accused of abusing is your kids backsides at bath time you slimeball.
Sonny has your kind on his “sonny do” list!
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Rednekkks NAMBLA’s compulsive homosexual obsession with its conservative betters continues - it needs to allow the cocktail of AIDS drugs time to work and not keep posting such bitter hateful resentful trash!!
By tftt's Uncle Ernie
September 25, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
It’s good to see my nephew the fairy tranny Tommy here… I guided him to his pinball machine once, now he won’t leave other peoples’ alone.
He was too gay even for England.
(See me, feel me, touch me…)
By Van
September 25, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Correction ,
That check for the Alaskans is royalities on the Alaskan oil fields. It appears Alaska is more at ease with its own people.
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I
September 25, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Amanda, how’s your book coming - Gay Men That Hate Women and The Women That Love Them??
I know it’s autobiographical, but you should be able to make some money off your miserable excuse for a life… lots of GOP gals in your boat.
By B.Moore
September 25, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Division was borne out of the radical sixties. Capitalism is bad. Individualism is good. A war in the perception of haves & have-nots.
Give me a break. One can’t thrive without the other. Politicians within the black caucus are courting corporate america. What do they get for their efforts? Ridicule from within their own party & constituency that they’re pandering to the powerful elite corporatism of the GOP. They’re Democrats for crying out loud.
Do blacks want to be have nots within society or do they want what corporate america can offer them? Quit buying into the victim mentality the Democrats teach.
By BlackFemaleandifIhavetochooseRepublican
September 25, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
I can speak as a
former caseworker: my clients were both black and white, all young women who were lazy or had no direction and had babies that we ALL support. The source of the laziness? A government that gives things away instead of making them earn them.
young taxpayer: The government KILLS my check for these programs. Personally I think that food stamps should have a capped amount. My refrigerator isn’t full, so why should theirs be? Mind you, they don’t work.
A Black female: No, we are not all on welfare and we don’t all have 10 kids with 11 fathers…Put the stereotypes down!
Why don’t Black people vote Republican? We do, My mom and dad do anyway.but the other black people? The party has earned a reputation for being rich and white and you want who to join? Not gonna happen in mass amounts, sorry…
and Realist, since you havent been an employee of DFCS, you don’t know
many black children get taken away hince the number of unproportionate black children that are up for adoption..want one?
Didn’t think so.
By Correction
September 25, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
NAMBLA, thats childs play. The polygamy/ underage marriage going on in Red State Utah right now is scandalous.
On top of that, Dateline could start up a new show, Date-Line Georgia. They were reeling them Red-State Georgians in like mad on their weekend under aged Date-Line. Sick.
Why do you conservative Red-Staters hate children?
By SusieHomeMaker
September 25, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
I’m always amazed by statements like “The Republican Party freed the slaves, blacks should be grateful” and those of that ilk. Let’s do a brief history of the make up of the republican party and some of its prominent members:
Jesse Helms — former democrat who left the party when they started preaching diversity, inclusion, and voting rights for all americans.
David Duke — former Grand Wizard of the KKK in Lousiana.
Strom Thurmond — once a strident democrat and racist, left the democratic party and tried to split, (Dixiecrats), the party over their new attitudes towards black voting rights. After his defeat he was welcomed into the fold by the Republican party.
And now, other events that tend to alienate Republicans from minority voters:
Hurricane Katrina Voting Rights Act Equal Opportunity Abortion Gay Lifestyles Voter ID Immigration Outsourcing of American Jobs Corporate plunder of pension funds being overlooked
Comments made by Leaders within the Republican Party that tend to uphold the “good ole boy” image. (Example: When Lieberman was running as vice president in the 2000 election, he received comments from the republican party like “What if there is an emergency on a Saturday, will Mr. Lieberman be able to perform his duties as the vice president” This question was stupid because it was NEVER asked of a Christian if they’d be able to perform their duties if an emergency came up on a Sunday).
With hits like these, is it any wonder that minorities look at Republicanism the same way the look at the devil?
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Rent Norwegian and Lease Scandanavian,
Isn’t it just like a liberal dullard to come up with unoriginal, pointless and meaningless names that attempt to rip off another blogger’s on-line identity.
“Buy Danish” means something.
WTF do your names mean? Nothing? I thought so.
Freaking idiot.
By Van
September 25, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
JK,
Such an attitude, lighten up.
Do you want a party to pander to you? Do you want to be put into a group and treated as a victim? Do you want someone that will say whatever you need to hear and do nothing?
Or do you want to be taken as a voter, a person, an individual?
By tftt's Magic Bus
September 25, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Short, yellow, full of retards and cowards.
By SusieHomeMaker
September 25, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
I’m always amazed by statements like “The Republican Party freed the slaves, blacks should be grateful” and those of that ilk. Let’s do a brief history of the make up of the republican party and some of its prominent members:
Jesse Helms — former democrat who left the party when they started preaching diversity, inclusion, and voting rights for all americans.
David Duke — former Grand Wizard of the KKK in Lousiana.
Strom Thurmond — once a strident democrat and racist, left the democratic party and tried to split, (Dixiecrats), the party over their new attitudes towards black voting rights. After his defeat he was welcomed into the fold by the Republican party.
And now, other events that tend to alienate Republicans from minority voters:
Hurricane Katrina Voting Rights Act Equal Opportunity Abortion Gay Lifestyles Voter ID Immigration Outsourcing of American Jobs Corporate plunder of pension funds being overlooked
Comments made by Leaders within the Republican Party that tend to uphold the “good ole boy” image. (Example: When Lieberman was running as vice president in the 2000 election, he received comments from the republican party like “What if there is an emergency on a Saturday, will Mr. Lieberman be able to perform his duties as the vice president” This question was stupid because it was NEVER asked of a Christian if they’d be able to perform their duties if an emergency came up on a Sunday).
With hits like these, is it any wonder that minorities look at Republicanism the same way the look at the devil?
By BlackFemaleandifIhavetochooseRepublican
September 25, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Realist let’s talk:
I am a former caseworker, yes thank God former, and some of my clients were black AND white with little or no ambition and several children receiving food stamps, cash and medicaid benefits. Fair? No..but your statistics are completely off…DFCS takes both black and white children and as you can imagine, the black children are harder to place in foster homes and adoptive homes. Please don’t act like racism does not exist though. I come from a black republican christian conservative family who is educated and we experience racism all the time in Georgia….You want Democrats to stop playing the race card? Change the DECK!
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this
Clearly Rednekks NAMBLA is still obsessing over its state mental hospital role in the hospital’s 1984 musical production by secure ward patients of Tommy. Rednekkks was the unmedicated evil and sick Cousin Kevin that abused Tommy all those years ago.
Naturally we all hope that rednekkks will get run over by The Who’s Magic Bus as it wends its way past the downtown panhandlers.
By Bi Danish
September 25, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
“Bi Danish” means something too, Danish.
Freaking idjit.
By tftt the Pocket Pool Wizard
September 25, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
I’ve got such a supple wrist…
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Bi Danish,
I don’t doubt that “Bi” means something to you.
Freaking loser.
By Realist
September 25, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
Blackfemale, either you are missing my point or else Im not making it very well, probably the latter so i will try again.
My statement was nothing to do with DFACS or children services or adoption. It was a bad idea to reference them, obviously another hot button issue in Georgia.
I was simply stating that the numbers indicate that around 80% of welfare recipients are black. If benefits rise as you add children, where is the motivation to go and work and NOT have any more kids born into poverty?
Let me break it down like this, out of 100 women on welfare, about 80 (i think its actually higher) are black. Now the number we need is what percentage of ALL women does that 80% represent. In other words, out of all mothers (and teens who may become mothers) what percentage see a benefit from having children because of government aid and what percentage take precautions to avoid pregnancy. Are you following me?
Its like this. A large portion of black women and teens have no reason to avoid pregnancy or get a job because they know the federal government will compensate them for thier mistakes and laziness. Yes, some white women have this same view, but as we discussed earlier, its a much LARGER portion of blacks receiving these benefits. It needs to be cut for both!! Use that money to offer free tubal ligations and job assistance.
Something has to be done to get Americas poorest off the couch, out of the delivery room, and into a damn job!!
By Redneck Convert
September 25, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
I sometimes wonder why Wooten don’t just let some of these people duke it out when they disagree, like we do at Billy Bob’s. I would pay to see TFTT up against Pope—Rednecks (“I say, old boy, that smarts!”)Or Markus up against getalife—the cussin’ and name-calling would be a treat.
But it won’t happen, I guess. Which is why we will never have a Wooten Blog convention.
Well, I have to go. I still have to deliver at nine more bars before I quit for the day. I know you all will figure out all the political problems by the time I check back in.
By JK
September 25, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Van, Such an attitude, lighten up. Um, okay. Hey, the Birds are on Monday Night Football!
Do you want a party to pander to you? Why, no! It’s much better if they pander to big money, corporate lobbyists, religious fanatics, and old Vets who want to kill Jane Fonda!
Do you want to be put into a group and treated as a victim? I HAVE been victimized. I blame myself for trusting the wrong people. Nobody cared, so I moved on, keeping my bitterness deep inside, in a quiet place, letting it ooze forth only in blogland.
Do you want someone that will say whatever you need to hear and do nothing? No, that’s why I broke up with him. (haha!)
Or do you want to be taken as a voter, a person, an individual? Not falling for that one again! But thanks for thinking of me. {;->
By Samuel
September 25, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Hey TFTT - why don’t you go ahead and get your sorry @ss back to England. No one in America wants you here.
Ah, yes, I’m sure England kicked you out for being an ignorant little twirp.
Grow up you pathetic whinny little girl.
By BlackFemaleandifIhavetochooseRepublican
September 25, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this
Ok Realist: Point Taken
I don’t agree with the statistics..but okay. Let me break it down…..the Federal government has a welfare benefit called TANF which is a monetary benefit given monthly to welfare mothers…There is a CAP on the benefit..i.e. more children = benefit stays the same. The clients also have to “work” (do odd jobs around DFCS) to receive this benefit. When I broke this down to many of them (less than a dollar an hour when broken down) many of them did not want to participate in the program…The TANF caseload in Fulton county has reduced from over 5000 recipients to under 1200…i.e. this is called welfare reform
But furthermore: when you grow up in a society when everything good and profitable is white. Most people on TV are white,most owners of businesses are white. What do you think that the psyche of poor black people is going to be? You think that it will be positive? Please Realist. I agree that people need to be working….especially young people…but you have to look at this issue as a whole and not coming from a white point of view. I don’t think that many white people realize that the black race is still suffering from years of degradation. Little black girls are still thinking that white equates with pretty. Psyches willl change when people do.
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
Susie Homemaker,
What? No mention of Sen. Robert Byrd (Democrat)W. Virginia?
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Sam mule
that was almost quite a pathetic hissy fit … can you make the abuse that much visceral next time though - you come across as quite an effete nancy boy.
Its my country now - if you dont like it SOD OFF!!
There’s a good dog!!
By JK
September 25, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
Oh Lordhavemercy, BlackFemale, do you think Mr. Realist CARES what a little black girl thinks or feels? Geeeeezusss Aiche, he’d sooner get a root canal than THINK about it! Open your eyes, Hon. They DON’T CARE. (At least the Libertarians will admit that they don’t care.)
By Samuel
September 25, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
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By Realist
September 25, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
BFemale, If all of the strides that have been made as of today, if all of the EQUAL opportunity that exists for each and every individual in this country (as evidenced by the VERY well off Asian population that exists here), if those psyches are still the same as they were 40 years ago, who’s fault is that?
At some point, you have to stop the psyche of entitlement and degradation and replace it with empowerment and pride. A welfare system will never achieve the latter, regardless of caps or odd jobs at the welfare office. Maybe time will change things, becaue its obvious all of the best efforts of white americans and government are making no difference. Nobody can argue that discrimination and tolerance are getting better in the US. Then why are the numbers of black women going on assistance rising and white women coming off decreasing?
Now we have talked about the disproportionate numbers of black women on assistance (which are GROWING, NOT DECLINING), want to talk about the disproportionate numbers of black men in prisons? Is this also due to black girls not feeling pretty?
I am not racist. I actually feel sympathy for those locked in jails (both prisons and government projects). But the answer is not the blamingof whites and recieving free govt aid. The answer is being forced to find work to survive. Working and being part of America instills pride and self esteem. And isnt that what you basically say your community needs bfemale?
By Realist
September 25, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
JK, Who pulled your string? Im having a nice freindly respectful debate with this lady, why do you need to chime in with critisizm and vile remarks. I thought that is what you claim mean old GOPers do?
Youre a hypocrit, Im just sayin.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
Realracist thinks Iraqi welfare good, American welfare bad.
Right Realracist?
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
Susie Homemaker,
Up to speed on Sen. Robert Byrd? Here’s the scoop on Democrat Justice Hugo Black and the KKK
Maybe you should stick to baking cookies.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
WOW … Sam mule is truly obsessing over its conservative English betters like a good un!!
I just loved the intellectual content and eruditon there Mule … clearly your earlier post was written by your psychiatric soical worker for you as a personal favour, no doubt for services rendered. I knew it was too conceptually advanced and literate for you.
never mind - at least we now know just what level of English usage you’ve loftily attained.
P.S. I do hope you didn’t take too long learning how to copy and paste so you could answer me so devastatingly and eviscerate all my earlier very sound points on racial politics etc!!
By JK
September 25, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
I apologize, Mr. Realist. Why don’t you explain to us, using examples, just how much YOU CARE. Show me I’m all wrong. Please!
By Realist
September 25, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
btw JK the hypocrite, as I shared the other day, I was a fireman and emt for about four years. I have helped more “little black girls” and boys and thier mothers and fathers than you can fathom or will ever help in any way. So keep your self righteous bs to a low roar ok. Im just sayin.
By CJ
September 25, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
Regarding the question of how to attract blacks to the GOP, I honestly don’t see that happening any time soon.
As income levels increase, the proportion of blacks that falls into those income levels decreases. This discrepancy either arises out of past or current discrimination or arises out of the fact that blacks are inherently inferior. I believe the former is true; many Republicans seem to believe the latter. As a result, the GOP seems to believe that they have no obligation to find a solution to such discrepancies.
Republicans also don’t seem to believe that whites still benefit from past and current discrimination. Affirmative action isn’t intended for our generation to pay for the sins of previous generations. This program is intended so that our generation doesn’t benefit from the sins of previous generations. Affirmative action is far from perfect, but constant complaining about quotas while offering no real alternatives to repair the damage done by discrimination makes Republicans seem out of touch.
Until the GOP recognizes that blacks are not inherently inferior and that our country has real structural problems perpetuating poverty and racial inequality (e.g. inequitable education systems, inequitable drug laws, inequitable law enforcement, inequitable lending policies, inequitable voting laws, inequitable tax laws, inequitable insurance premiums, inequitable food and gas prices, etc.), the Republican Party will never attract that black vote in any significant way.
By Van
September 25, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
JK,
When you want to talk seriously, the conservatives are hear to listen, but be careful, if the demoncrats find out you talk seriously with conservatives, you will be drummed out of the party like Lieberman.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
By Realist September 22, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this Like I said, Id much rather my money go to hard working Iraqi’s trying to make a life for thier children IN THIER OWN COUNTRY than some of the parasites from New Orleans who offer nothing but a jolt to the local crime and birth statistics.
By Realist
September 25, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
One problem CJ. Why dont these ills get fixed when dems have control, as they have many times in the past? Uh oh….
You just dont get it. They are the ones keeping you enslaved and you dont even know it.
By JoeD
September 25, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Van, you gotta get over this Lieberman thing. He was not drummed out of the party. The good people of Connecticut decided they did not want him to be the Democratic party’s nominee for Senator. It was their choice, exercising their right under the US Constitution to choose who they wanted to run. The national party had nothing to do with it.
By JoeD
September 25, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Van, you gotta get over this Lieberman thing. He was not drummed out of the party. The good people of Connecticut decided they did not want him to be the Democratic party’s nominee for Senator. It was their choice, exercising their right under the US Constitution to choose who they wanted to run. The national party had nothing to do with it.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
Van,
Joe is getting money from the gop
He is not man enough to bow out like the rest of you pathetic wingnuts.
By JK
September 25, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
Van, first you tell me to lighten up, then you tell me to be serious. Are you a flip-flopper? FYI: Lieberman left the Democratic Party when the voters in his state chose another man in the primary. Senators are not appointed for life, they are elected. Lieberman’s loyalties changed when he decided to ignore the wishes of his constituents. HE walked out on THEM.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
Told ya he is a realracist who should move to Iraq.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
Until the GOP recognizes that blacks are not inherently inferior
see why I called you a wanker CJ? now you’re a lying wanker!!
this is just more empty, despicable liberal racebaiting … the logical “equivalent” of someone asking you if you’ve stopped beating your husband yet?
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
“….This discrepancy either arises out of past or current discrimination or arises out of the fact that blacks are inherently inferior.”
CJ,
Err, you’re stating that this^^is a FACT? Great job of perpetuating a stereotype!
Jim Wooten,
While this subject bores the heck out of me I will answer it:
Republicans will attract blacks to the Party by sticking to core conservative values and attracting CONSERVATIVES who happen to be black.
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
September 25, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
Dear Al Qaeda’s Concubine: Some good old boys have called and left a message that they found your canoe floating empty in some river in Tennessee. They were wondering if you’d like to come back by and get it, they said it be real sweet to see you again.
Plus they said they might let you see mum.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
presumably when LIEberman wins the cowardly appeasing lefties will be equally respectful of the will of the “good people of CT”!!
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
JK,
If Lieberman is ELECTED by the people of the great state of Connecticut, are you going to accept that result or blame it on Diebold?
By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 25, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
[Weak. Pathetic. But most of all, totally unoriginal. And so Andie]
By RGrossman
September 25, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Realist
Where exactly can you find numbers supporting the position that 80% of welfare recipients are black?
The numbers I am familiar with have never shown that. The most recent numbers show that whites still outnumber blacks with the numbers being close around the 35-38% mark. Are you speaking of welfare recipients in Georgia?
I would really like for you to point me to something that backs up the contention that 80% of welfare recipients are black.
By BlackFemaleandifIhavetochooseRepublican
September 25, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
One reason why this country is so screwed is that people cannot debate without becoming childish. I can appreciate the opinions of others even if I don’t agree and I won’t lower myself to comply @ JK….
Back to Realist:
I hear you, but what I am trying to express is that no other race of people in America has been in the position of underdog like African-Americans. Listen, I am the last one to agree with people committing crimes, having excess children on welfare and whatever other problem that hurts the black race. I am also not in denial that we got here as a result of culminating events. It has nothing to do with not feeling pretty. I am a college graduate and I am in graduate school now. Regardless of this, I still felt (I don’t now) inferior when amongst a group of white men. This is ingrained in black people without it even being said. This feeling, if not dissolved will turn into self-hate. This self-hate emerges as the issues that you see in the community. I am not asking you to agree with me. I just don’t see how you can deny that blacks are not seen as second class. This does something to the psyche. I mean something as simple as taking a test (1) always represents white. Yes it is simple but the psyche of that is amazing. As far as other cultures coming here and prospering, they have a sense of history and worth. They know where they come from and who they are. Black people lost that sense and we are not respected, as a whole, in America.
By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag
September 25, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
So is that a yes? They need to prepare for you and all.
By Van
September 25, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
JK,
Lieberman lost the election because the core democratic party turned their backs on him because he supported the President in the War on Terrorism.
While he agreed with the Democratic party about 90% of the time, this one issue was enough for the democrats to stab him repeatedly in the back. So much for party loyality and tolerance for diverse views.
By JK
September 25, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
BlackFemale, ever known white people who stood up for, and marched with, and argued on behalf of equal rights for ALL people, who were still scorned by the people they stood up for because they were white (or hetero), and whose motives were questioned, and who were berated because they didn’t “UNDERSTAND” what the black people “went through?” Just curious.
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
Lieberman’s loyalties changed when he decided to ignore the wishes of his constituents. HE walked out on THEM.
That’s a pathetic dishonest LIE feminazi JK and you know it!!
LIEberman didn’t change, nor did his constituents, what changed was that the defeatist appeasing liberal leftist activists in his state changed and he refused to pander to them, preferring to represent a much wider spectrum of CT. Just ss he has for many years. A senator’s constituents love are the whole state - not just verminous cowardly lefties!!
By CJ
September 25, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
Realiest,
In response to your question:
Under Clinton, violent crime was going down. Under Bush, it’s going up. The poverty rate was going down. Now it’s going up. The infant mortality rate was going down. Now it’s going up. The abortion rate was going down. Now it’s going up. Bankruptcies were falling. Now they’re rising. Home foreclosures were going down. Now they’re going up. The high school drop out rate was going down. Now it’s going up. Insurance premiums and health care costs were leveling off. Now insurance and health care costs are increasing faster than ever before. The price of gasoline fell. Now the price of gasoline is over 200% of when Bush took office. The national debt was falling, now it’s rising. More were climbing into the middle class, now more are falling into poverty. Democrats want student loans to continue with fixed interest rates, Republicans want to let them float (increasing the cost of education). Clinton had a COPS program to put more police on the streets; the GOP gutted it.
Governor Barnes introduced and signed legislation to strengthen lending laws to avoid redlining. Purdue rolled it back. Barnes introduced and signed legislation with significant, albeit unpopular, educational reforms. Perdue rolled them back. Barnes was the attorney that argued to have the racially divisive Voter ID law thrown out. Purdue is the one who signed it.
Democrats can do a lot more, but we’re on the case.
By Milking My Pet Billy Goat
September 25, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this
My buddies RW and Bi Danish are coming by tonight to help me milk my billy goat and meat the Sailor.
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I HATE LUCKOVICH AND THE AJC
By CJ
September 25, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish…I’m not clear on what stereotype you think I’m perpetuating???
By Shooter
September 25, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
Holy smokes the natives are restless today.
By CJ
September 25, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
On Lieberman…He didn’t lose the primary because of his position on Iraq (Clinton won easily in NY with the same postion). He lost because of how he expressed his opinion on Iraq.
When he said that anybody who disagrees with the war or with “staying the course” is disloyal or undermining our troops, he lost his Democratic base. If he had supported the war without disrespecting those who disagreed with him, he would have easily won the Democratic primary.
By RGrossman
September 25, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Are there figures to back up your contention that 80% of welfare recipients are black or not?
Still waiting.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this
Core Conservative values:
Lying, cheating, stealing and killing.
No thanks, I will vote Dem for accountability.
By Lease Scandinavian
September 25, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this
(o)
By time for the truth
September 25, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
sick Willie lied on Fox
he stated he needed to have the feds ‘certify’ the process needed to pursue bin laden before he go after him - but bin laden had already been indicted and had a $5 million US govt bounty on his head. sick Willie conveniently forgot all this.
moral: trust nothing sick Willie says - until its been fact checked.
sick Willie also said in the Fox interview he would have kiled him - but he had no legal authority to do this at that time.
By Dana
September 25, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
Realist - BFemale has some great points. It would be hard for you to really understand, any more than you can understand some of the particular issues women face because it has never happened to you.
But I’ll give you a personal example. My niece has a teenage babysitter, who happens to be a wonderful, intelligent, talented girl. She also happens to be a black girl. She is ridiculed at school for acting “too white” (this comes from both black and white students) because she was working to excel at her classes. Long story short, the idiots won, and she has slipped back to poor grades and low expectations. The blame for this rests squarely on her parents shoulders, but society most certainly plays a role here.
And I’d also like to know where you found your statistics for the Black White ratio on public assistance. I think you are wrong, but since I haven’t looked at the stats I’ll hold my opinion on that one.
JK - one of these days you and I are gonna have to get together at the Starbucks… it looks like we could be sisters sometimes!
By Buy Danish
September 25, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
CJ,
Let’s try this one more time. You said:
…As income levels increase, the proportion of blacks that falls into those income levels decreases. This discrepancy either arises out of past or current discrimination or arises out of the fact that blacks are inherently inferior.
By getalife
September 25, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
Remember wag the dog “lies”?
Wingnuts were wrong then and are wrong now on Iraq.
Deal with it fake.
By Bernard Green
September 25, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
For Blacks to be brought into the Republican part, the Republican Party must be willing to do a few things:
I am an American of African descent and while I don’t call myself a Republican I identify with the GOP more so than the Dems. If the GOP would resist the urge to play “good ole boy” with a certain element of the population that generally resides in the south, it would find many Blacks ready to align themselves with them. B. Green Jr. Atlanta, Georgia
By RickD
September 25, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this
It’s easy how either party can expand their ‘base’. Do what you say you were going to do once elected. I’m tired of false promises from BOTH sides. Lastly, remember it’s not the lobbyists that got you into office, so pay attention to your constituency.
By CJ
September 25, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish…I’m still not with you.
Maybe I need to clarify. Please notice the word “or” in the second sentence just before the word “arises”. I tried to say that the proportionate lack of black people in higher income demographics can only have one of two mutually exclusive causes:
In the follwing sentence I said that I believe the former (meaning I believe the discrepancy arises out of discrimination) and many Republicans believe the latter (meaning they believe this discrepancy arises out of the fact that blacks are inherently inferior).
Does that help??? Sorry to leave you hanging.
By Markie Markus Loves Andi/e
September 25, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this
S/he trying to get Andi/e to leave the Sailor. How unpatriotic, stealing a sailor’s girl like that.
By Angry Gay Cowardly Chickenhawk
September 25, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this
Cut
I HATE THE AJC AND LUCKOVICH
By mo
September 27, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
What Bernard said, plus be extremely proactive in punishing discriminatory language and actions. And also look responsibly at programs that assists the community when in times of trouble, not just abandon them as mere “handouts”
Also, can a brotha get a tip on how we can get the “Condi Rice Oil deal?” Just give us a few tips on how to make some money with those Texas Oil guys. Don’t be greedy… just give us a phone number, email address or somethin’…