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DEL.ICIO.USMessages from Sweden
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Sweden’s politics are not high on the agendas of most Americans — or most Europeans, for that matter. But the outcomes of two contests there yesterday are revealing.
In the big one, the leftist Social Democrats party which has ruled Sweden for 64 of the past 70 years, including the last 12, was ousted by the center-right Moderates. Their strategy was to attack high unemployment by proposing to cut taxes for the lowest wage earners and to shrink unemployment benefits so the jobless have incentive to work. In a sense, the Moderates followed the strategy that George W. Bush has pursued here: Don’t threaten to dismantle the welfare state, but introduce incentives to change undesired behaviors.
In an interview with the Swedish newspaper The Local , Johan Norberg, author of “In Defence of Global Capitalism” who is a free-trade champion and a critic of his country’s welfare state, was asked about his observation that Sweden was “rotting from within.” “How do you mean?” the interviewer asked.
“I mean that the welfare state was built on specific preconditions: wealth, a strong work ethic, a sense of trust in a homogenous society, and an aversion to living on welfare. All of which made it possible to create a strong social security system. Now that may sound great but with it came a gradual distortion of incentives.
What we now see is that taxpayers are footing the bill for people who choose not to work. Plus we have the strange situation whereby Sweden is one of the healthiest countries in the world but also has the highest level of sick leave. The collapse of the initial preconditions has meant that attitudes have changed to the point that people are no longer sure what is right and what is wrong. “
Vaguely familiar?
The other item of interest from the Swedish elections was a seven-month “experiment” in Stockholm with “congestion-pricing.” It was called an experiment, though it involved spending $525 million to implement. It levied electronically recorded charges on motorists on heavily-traveled corridors into Stockholm based on time-of-day. The fees ranged from $2.76 per trip between 7:30 and 8:29 a.m. and 4 to 5:29 p.m. to $1.38 at the start and end of the day. Between 6:30 p.m. and 6:29 a.m., tolls were lifted. Taxis, buses, electric cars, hybrid vehciles and foreign-registered cars were exempted.
The toll did reduce traffic, with volume falling 20-25 percent, though some or all of that could have been shifted to non-toll streets and to the no-toll hours. The “experiment” was halted July 31 to await results of Sunday’s referendum. All results weren’t in as of this morning, but with 457 of 461 voting districts reporting, the yes votes led 51.7 to 45.6. Surprise! They loved it in-town and hated it in municipalities surrounding Stockholm, where not a single one favored it. Eleven of 14 had reported results and every one of them rejected time-of-day tolls.
Comments
By Buffalo Bob
September 18, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Why don’t you discuss a far more curent topic that is much more pertinent to us fellow conservatives. With the recent separation of three well respected republican senators, McCain, Graham, warner and ex secretary of defense powell there seems to be a battle amongst fellow republicans. Which I think is healthy, but others are already viewing as treasonous.
What’s your opinion on this. Do these three need to fall in line with the white house? Or do we respect their record of political and military service and decide these 4 might know more about this issue than the white house.
Further, how do those on the right respond when a pundit like Ann Coulter now labels these distinguished party-members the “Al quaeda contigent”?
This, I believe is far more pertinent than discussing some welfare study done in Sweden.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
I think Mr. Wooten should install software that measures “time of day trolls” on this blog. They are out of control, sir!
Ann Coulter has a finishing-school accent? Maybe, but she told her etiquette teachers there that she didn’t want to learn how to roll her R’s, but only which 911 widow to stick the fork into. Didn’t that raise suspicions?
A safety net is required in a free society, because we have crooks who are an intrinsic part of capitalism. Without consumer protection laws we’d all have broken legs from used car salesmen who didn’t like us being 30 days late with that payment.
They’re digging trenches all around Baghdad to stop suicide car bombers. Why bother? All they have to do is monitor driver’s academies for students who only want to learn left hand turns and tailgating, not how to parallel park. (I know, you get the bit.)
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. If anything, Jim understated the magnitude of the defeat of the Social Democrats – they polled around 35% (with Greens and hard socialists getting another 11% for the leftists 46% total) – their worst in history. Perhaps it was a “victory” for the conservatives, but it looks more like a leftist defeat to me.
The Stockholm “traffic tax” may be evidence of a rising blue-red split in Sweden. The leftists are determined to inflict higher costs on commuters; like the WalMart-Chicago kerfuffle, the city may find commuters relocating businesses outside the perimeter there, due to the tax. Not that this could have any meaning in Atlanta.
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Buffalo Bob, don’t overstate the case for McCain, Graham, and Warner - they are all part of the Republican wobbly-lobby. None of the three has ever had any influence in the Bush administration.
Similarly, after his role in the Plame deception was revealed last week, Colin had to say something to redeem his reputation with the left/media. Did it work?
By Van
September 18, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
Hmmm, Seems Sweden has proven Marx and Engles wrong - again. I hope the “Progressives” learn their lesson and come off the welfare/nanny state thinking.
Imagine, that, when everything is provided, people get lazy.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
The special prosecuter found no laws broken in the Plame case. The only think still intact is the secret that Valeria Plame is actually Ann Coulter in drag. oops!
By getalife
September 18, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
Does Sweden torture too?
By Van
September 18, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
Political Foreskin -
Are you nuts?
“A safety net is required in a free society, because we have crooks who are an intrinsic part of capitalism.”
Only if the people are too stupid to live on their own. The majority of people are not that stupid. I admit that some are, but then we wouldn’t have liberals then - would we.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
This should make you happy on this blog
Freaking fascists.
By Van
September 18, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this
Political Foreskin,
BTW, there are crooks in every economic system, not just the capitalistic system we have, the Marxists were well know for there lack of ethics also.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this
These pathetic creatures are trying to put our troops in a sick position to be tortured legally in this war and future wars to save their own a*. They do not support the troops. They are not Christians with morals. They are the lowest form of scum on this planet.
Freaking hypocrites!
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
PF raises an interesting fact - the special prosecutor knew there was no violation of law, as well as the identity of the leaker one month into the two-year investigation, and long before the imprisonment of Judith Miller and questioning of Scooter Libby (much less before the indictment and resignation.) Clearly a breach of ethics there. Not that anybody cares - leftist unethical activity means nothing when there is a good game of “gotcha” afoot.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this
The very funniest part about the neo-trolls on this blog is the hopeless ironic fact that they benefit naught from any of the republican measures passed during the Bush administration. These are very specifically targeted laws that benefit the ultra rich and connected. You simpletons get nothing, except your name in the paper when you graduate to hell in the hand basket (imported from china), that Bush cerimoniously and meritoriously gave you.
You’re fools, and you dont even know it.
But we know it, and we’re trying to save your souls. Repent. Relent. Vent.
That’s right, it the new reality show, “Repent, Relent, and Vent”, where former neo-clods disavow W and explain how they got hooked into the con. We’ve divided up the constestants into “log cabin”, “john birch” and “silver foot” republicans. The first task is to build a platform that doesn’t make Ann Coulter’s panties wet (or alienate the silent majority)!
aw…this bit stinks…exit stage left
By Van
September 18, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
You must remeber, the liberals have “good” intent, that makes it all okay. We conservatives are always scheming and have an agenda.
On the other hand, it isn’t the severity of the crime, but the severity of the allegation, in the liberal mind.
By Harold
September 18, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
Harold supposes Al Qaeda will be attacking Sweden for their freedoms any day now.
Wait, no, most Swedes use bicycles to commute to work or school and thus the Swedes are not making any attempt to control the Arabian Peninsula or the surrounding oil territories.
In other news of Marta wanting to revamp its image, whatever firm came up with “free rides on MLK day” needs sacked immediately.
Nothing could be worse for getting the chalkies onto the train or bus.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
I see Jim had to dig deep to find anything positive to write about cons. This is the United States Jim not Sweden.
How about sharing your views on torture, for the record.
By HAROLD
September 18, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
Harold supposes Al Qaeda will be attacking Sweden for their freedoms any day now.
Wait, no, most Swedes use bicycles to commute to work or school and thus the Swedes are not making any attempt to control the Arabian Peninsula or the surrounding oil territories.
In other news of Marta wanting to revamp its image, whatever “PC overdose” firm came up with “free rides on MLK day” needs sacked immediately.
No image could be worse for getting the chalkies onto the train or bus.
By Van
September 18, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
getalife,
If that was torture, then my DI(Drill Instructor, for the ones living in Mid-Town) was guilty, boot camp was a lot worse than Club Gitmo’.
If it leaves a permenant mark, that is torture. Sort of like the lobotomy scar you have.
By @@
September 18, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Jim: It’s the inherent nature of man.
The workforce will always conform to the minimum acceptable standard and they’ll pay heavily as a result in the end.
Republicans are smarter than that. They realize they’re better off depending on themselves and not government.
The Democrats will never be able to buy my vote with their socialist policies. I saw it coming and this war too, will be long & resolute.
Division? Remember Gore & Obrador. Gore’s mission was accomplished and Bush’s will be too.
I want my leaders to defend me, not gimme.
I think I’ll have some bumper stickers made up…”Remember Gore & Obrador” Mission Division Accomplished.
Too ^^^ long? I’ll work on it.
By Van
September 18, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
HAROLD,
I guess you haven’t heard of Saab, auto and aircraft. They use a lot of oil products.
Volvo is another oil using car. I guess that doesn’t count - right.
By Redneck Convert
September 18, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Well, I barely made it back to the trailer from church yesterday without winding up in the hospital. Those church-goers come out of services hungry and mean, and they’ll kill you dead as four o’clock in the morning if you get in their way while they are heading for their lunch. I haven’t seen so many middle fingers since Dan Rather attended the Republican convention.
It seems to me we have our own version of Sweden right here in Atlanta. It’s called Georgia 400. It’s strange that roads can get builded using tax funds any place else in the area, but when northsiders need roads, they have to pay tolls for it. And to top it off, the North Springs MARTA station won’t let people get on to Georgia 400 south, only north. So don’t tell me we don’t have intown lubruls not wanting outsiders coming in.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Unhinged foreskin’s continuing ignorant bigoted hypocrisy is freaking hilarious, unlike its cretinous cringe making attempts at what passes for its neanederthal like humour. Deranged foreskin is clearly some paranoid far left troll with an increasingly weak grip on reality - note its insanely idiotic remarks about “safety nets” and “driving academies” etc.
McCain’s decades long arrogant, smug and petulant “I know better than anyone else” attitude makes him arguably the biggest simpering snake in the senate - about as trustworthy as a Kennedy or a Clinton with a woman. McCain wont ever get my vote. He is by far the worst player of games in Congress - disarmingingly cosying up to an opponent and like a coiled serpent striking with both fangs when it suits him best. Most clear thinking folks are sick of McCain and his equally cynical (to the lying three times lightly scratched gigolo Kerry) use of his until now largely untarnished wartime POW experiences - which DO NOT give him any kind of “extra” insight or authority. Its merely the verminous leftist media puffing McCain up as a very convenient GOP counter weight to Bush that is perpetrating such a vile notion on the nation. McCain is hopelessly wrong - and hopelessly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with him.
As most folks know only too well ‘moderates’ are pretty vile - they ooze “reasonableness” yet are invariably some shade of pink politically - that’s the shameless dishonesty of moderates for you though!!
I was extremely pleased to see yet another bunch of Bush hating lefty Euro plebians bite the political dust - this time it was the Swedes who have seen the light. The Germans have happily switched too recently -unfortunately the spineless Italians and terrorist appeasing Spanish went the other way - which shows just how virulent the cowardly appeasing disease is in parts Euroland. Taxation in the EU is now obscene - as is the pandering to minorities and mohammedans.
The Pope finally said something we could all applaud and then the hysterical leftist media hammered at him, as did the evil and violent mohammedans he was actually talking about until he backtracked. Funny how mohammedans can OPENLY sneer at, threaten, murder, discriminate against other religions with NOTHING said about it in the NY Slimes etc but the moment the Pope says something moderately true he is (globally) lynched for it!!
By harold
September 18, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
Regardless of the television commercials you see for Swedens’ Saab and Volvo exports, most Swedes commute on bicycles. They export those Saabs (a GM company) and Volvos (a Ford company)
That means Sweden is not overly concerned with keeping the Arabs in line.
If you want to be as cool as the Swedes, you don’t drive a Volvo, you ride a bicycle to work. And you know what? Them arabs leave you the hell alone too.
By JoeD
September 18, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
True, Warner, McCain and Graham have had little influence in this administration, which helps to explain all the military bumbling going on. Maybe these veterans should have been consulted once in awhile. And as much as the right would like to downplay this disagreement, it is there and it is significant. And Bush’s petulant attitude is not helping his cause. It is also interesting to watch the conservatives start to eat their young (and old) when disagreement raises its ugly head. Poor Colin Powell. I’m waiting for the attempt to destroy his reputation.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
The pope is infallible, or you go to hell in a hand basket.
Fish on friday before the late sixties? Hell in a hand basket.
Neglect to nod your head when you say “Jesus”? Hell in a hand basket.
Take communion with a mortal sin on your soul? Hell in a hand basket.
Steal tithes from the passed-around hand basket? Hell in a hand basket.
Lie to any nun for any reason? Ruler across the knuckles.
By Truth or consequences?
September 18, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
still waiting on the Bombastic blowhard, aka time for the truth to post even one non-partisan link backing up his claims about Kerry….
By Collin
September 18, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
I watched an interview with an American Muslim the other night who was complaining about the Pope’s remarks.
When asked why Muslims haven’t spoken out against the violence resulting from Islamofacism, she said the Pope needs to apologize first before there can be dialogue.
Give me a break! The radical faction within their religion spoke first, and they did it with an attack on U.S. soil. The Pope responded. It’s their turn now. Dialogue or war? Which do they really want for their faith?
As to the topic. Socialism sucks and so do Democrats with their government entitlement programs. It’s a sickness that makes everybody feel good while a terminal disease is ravaging us from within. Eradicate it.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
As ever Harold is at least a bit of a LIAR and a MoRoN!!
The SWedes do NOT use bicycles to the extent Harold emptily asserts!! Public transport for commting is pretty extensive in the cities and bigger towns but Harold has clearly forgotten how cold it is there for much of the year - and how snowy and icy. Not even the likes of tax loving Bush hating appeasing liberals will ride a bicycle in a blizzard or on icy/snowy roads or when its bitterly (below zero) cold. Yes they have introduced more cycle routes in cities and towns - but clearly they are NOT used year round - only in the more balmy summer like months. Stockholm is very cold at least 6/7 months of the years. Time for the truth knows Harold’s geography is weak, rather like Harold’s logic!!
Lets hope that if Harold is ever lightly knocked off his stolen bicycle on Cobb Parkway he is hit by a Volvo or Saaab car so Harold will at least feel much better about the experience.
By Malcolm
September 18, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Powell is proving to be the future Jimmy Carter. An appeaser that could undermine our troops safety.
It’s a shame really. I’ve always admired the man. McCain? He’ll never get my vote. Not in a million years. We’re in a war with no boundaries. The enemy is Al Qaeda, Islamofacists, the drive-by leftist media, and pandering politicians.
Disgusting.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Your right colon,
We should eradicate the Iraqi welfare program.
Ugly, pathetic, pitiful American mindset you have scrambling your brain there colon.
By Van
September 18, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
harold
I work from home and fill up once maybe twice a month, but then again the readical murdering creeps want me dead also, I am a Kafir or Infidel.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
the UTTER IGNORANCE of unhinged foreskin is getting more and more amusing. The “infallibility” of a pope is simply confined to his ex cathedra pronouncements. Not the more ignorant widely held assumption that the pope himself is infallible … even as a secular agnostic I know this!!
its seems what’s left of deranged foreskin’s mind has already taken it to hell in a hand basket!!
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
superb post Malcolm … perhaps just a little too restrained though!!
By JK
September 18, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
The Republican pundits are running out of stuff to spin in their favor. As of Friday, Jim was still bringing up Monica (yawn!), blaming John Lewis because the military didn’t take out a Taliban funeral, and today he’s rambling about Sweden in an attempt to make a fuzzy point. And their big FUN this weekend: Partying with Ann Coulter at a “Christian” fundraiser! HAHAHAHA! Hey, wake me up when it’s time to be impressed.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
The ugly wingnut mindset is a cancer on this great country that could use a major dose of chemotherapy to eradicate this mental disease.
Just look at what they have done to our country. We are debating torture.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
I know you you are scared Van but real Americans are not.
Back under your bed now coward.
By Van
September 18, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Harold,
So the islamic fools will not attack Ford or GM because they build Swedish cars? Just where is your logic?
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
treasonous cowardly leftist appeasers MUST be rounded up and forcibly deported to Cuba!!! Maggot brain will certainly be amongst the first to go!!
stop your hate America poison maggot brain -you are part of the corrosive enemy within problem!!
a proud Anglo-American kafir!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 18, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
You silly fool rednecks. Sweden is not relevant to Georgia. Swedes are generally intelligent attractive human beings. Most Georgians are ugly stupid chimps.
Maybe you should try a column about some new observations of monkey behavior, Annie.
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
Getalife states an obvious truth @ 10:43 - every thing he posts is torture for debaters, and reflects a personal acquaintance with mental disease.
By Van
September 18, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
getalife,
Your right for once, we need to clean this country of the wackos, but where would Kennedy, Kerry and the other far left wacko liberals go?
By Chazman
September 18, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
Didn’t take long this morning for TFTT to call someone a moron and a liar. Typical. She describes McCain as arrogant, smug, petulant “I know better than anyone else attitude” and that makes him a simpering snake. Hmmmm. When you hear “I know better than anyone else”, who do you think of? When you think of Arrogant and Smug, who do you think of? And sorry, but the fact that McCain was a POW and tortured for years DOES give him extra insight and authority. That’s my opinion. Now TFTT, I’m waiting on your response filled with “moron”, “liar”, and your other name calling. For I know you could never debate with a civil response. You never have anyway.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
I hijacked this blog to address the U.S. elephant in the room.
Debating torture is not American!
Where did my country go?
By harold
September 18, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
van if your home where you work is in sweden then the al qadaers are not going to attack you they have no reason
the jibberish about ‘killing the infidels’ is western media brainwashing because what they always leave out is that its the infidels who invade the arabian peninsula and try to kill them, kind of like how everybody here is always whinign about the mexicans invading the usa. let that stew for 50+ years and you will have chalkies out there killing infidel mexicans
and the swedes can bicycle in the snow. they have bicycle tires with studs on them
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 18, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Drove through New Mexico and West Texas yesterday - the New Mexicans and Texans don’t reming me of Swedes in the least, except for the occasional fat pasty white Texan.
By harold
September 18, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
van you will not that al qeedar did not attack ford or GM and the airliners were all Boeing, every one of them, not Saab
very simply if one does not wish to be killed by al qeeder just use airbus planes. terrorists choose boeing.
By exposing the truth
September 18, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Apparently, our friendly neighborhood bully, TFTT, backs down from challenges… I thought your heroes were all gung-ho, stay the course, fight ‘til my neighbors last kid is dead types… yet since Friday, TFTT has ignored a challenge to post one non partisan link supporting his claims about Kerry…Maybe TFTT is really just a liberal cut-n-runner trying to feel brave hiding behind tough words on an anonymous blog.
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
Be very quiet, one of us sees an elephant in his room, and does not know what country he is in.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
You know, all these liberals and Democrats here in America love to shine the spotlight on Europe as a model society for us. “We should be more like them” they tell us. We aren’t supposed to even lift a stick in addressing the War on Islamofascism before checking with the Euros first.
Yet, for whatever reason, liberals never want to talk about Europe’s generally much higher unemployment rate and definitely the size of our middle and upper classes to theirs relative to their populations. Our so-called middle class would be their upper class, and our lower class would be their middle class. If our unemployment rate as a whole were around 8-10%, the media and Democrats would be screaming for some heads big time. If our 18-24 age bracket had a 25% unemployment rate like France does, there would be rioting in the streets, like France had.
Of course, the infiltration of Muslims into Europe can be brought into the coffer too. Rioting, burning churches, and murdering a nun when someone dares speak out negatively on Islam notwithstanding to be sure. Why do the Muslim youth in the UK or France have such high unemployment rates? How long have they been on the government socialist teet? Where are the support groups over there reaching out to these people like we have here in this nation reaching out to minorities? Something has to eventually give.
Obviously, European nations have inefficient social protection nets that need massive overhauling. The fish always rots from the head down. Listen to the leftists amongst us, and you would think we have it the absolute worst ever in the history of this nation. Time after time after time they whine and complain about this great nation (when a Republican is in charge anyway). Most of these people have never stepped foot outside of this nation. They have no clue what it’s really like over there in model liberal Utopia land.
More often than not, most Americans that visited Europe will tell you “it was great, but I couldn’t wait to get back home.” Cindy Sheeplehead wants to go live in Venezuela, let her. Sean Penn thinks Cuba is so great, move there. Anyone who whines about how bad off this nation is and how bad we mistreat the “less fortunate” here needs to be gathered up, shoved on a ship, and sent overseas somewhere for a month.
Liberalism is a failing ideology not because of what they stand for, but more for what they don’t stand for. It’s hard to have an ideology based on misplaced feelings. Perhaps Van summed it up best yesterday in one of the best comments I have ever read on this blog:
“I’d rather have worked hard and have little than to do nothing [or little] and take from others.”
By B.Moore
September 18, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
Poor Redneck Terrorist @ 11:23 was reamed by Texas (see reming), leaving this site with a giant hole of sorts.
A hole which a bomb-laden truck should be parked in. Ka-Boom ! ! !
By Markus
September 18, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Harold-
The idea that the terrorists “chose” to ride Boeing vs. Airbus is preposterous. American and United use Boeing 757/67s almost excslusively on coast-to-coast flights. I know American uses Airbus, one went down after the verticle stabilizer fell off in New York not long after 9/11. I don’t think United even has any Airbuses in their fleet.
By The General
September 18, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
I think one thing everyone in here can agree on is that getalife should be water-planked daily until she is sh*itting clear water.
The General has spoken.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Christianity gets attacked, and there are no riots. Islam gets chastized by a centuries-old quote, and a Catholic nun is murdered.
Yep, that fat pig Rosie O’Donnell really knew what she was talking about when saying ‘Christian radicalism is more dangerous than Islamic radicalism.’
THe stupidity of liberalism transcends all boundaries.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
And now back to the topic
Iraq.
By Dusty
September 18, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
Gee Rednecks,
We got rid of the KKK and now we got YOU? Fat pasty white Texans huh? And Harold with his chalkies. I thought name calling was out.
But maybe you are tired and Harold tiresome. Driving a cattle truck through New Mexico and Texas is a long haul. Not too aromatic either. Hope you can “steer” that truck good. (Ha?) A tough job but somebody’s got to do it. You’re perfect.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
“When the Supreme Court in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruled that Bush’s policy of depriving prisoners the right to trial by his rigged system of kangaroo courts was illegal his torture policy was also declared beyond the scope of the law. Moreover, the Supreme Court decided that Bush’s policy evaded the Geneva Conventions to which the U.S. is a signatory and obligated under the law, and that any newly constituted policy must be consistent with the standards of Article 3.
The Senate Armed Services Committee has voted in favor of a bill that broadly puts the detainees under the Geneva Conventions and rejected Bush’s proposal, which is nothing more than a reworking of his old system. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, supporting the committee bill against Bush’s, declaring that Bush’s approach casts into “doubt the moral basis” of his “war on terror.”
Bush imagined that he would use the period surrounding the 9/11 commemorations to revive his popularity and lift the Republican Party before the mid-term elections on the national security theme. His atmospherics, however, have been blown away by his grim realities. Going into the election, he has split the Republican Party and forced the country to face a debate on torture.”
By Markus
September 18, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Somebody please tell our resident freakshow from the left that there is more going on on this planet than Iraq and snapping German shepards on terrorists.
By CJ
September 18, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Markus,
I’m writing about a post you made on Saturday @4:00 PM. Your post to “getalife” said: “I s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c-a-l-l-y asked you about your topic on an Iraq-al Qaeda link mentioned s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c-a-l-l-y by Bush (or anyone else in his cabinet) pre-war.”
By the end of the day, you seemed really upset that my fellow “tinfoil hat appeasement liberal” didn’t answer your question directly, so I felt compelled to provide a s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c response to your s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c request.
To avoid any misunderstandings, let’s break-down the criteria you layed out in this post:
a) An Iraq-al Qaeda link, b) “mentioned” by Bush or a member of his cabinet, and c) pre-war.
First, here are some quotes where President Bush “mentioned” such a link in his “pre-war” speech to the UN General Assembly on September 12, 2002:
Also, here are some quotes from “anyone else in his cabinet” — Bush’s Secretary of State. Secretary Powell “mentioned” an Iraq-al Qaeda link several times in his “pre-war” speech to the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003:
I believe these quotes meet the criteria you s-p-e-c-i-f-i-e-d. I must confess that my source for these quotes, www.whitehouse.gov, is frequently unreliable. However, if you have time to kill, you can find these speeches there. Oh, and while you’re there, you might also want to peruse Bush’s 2003 pre-war State of the Union address when he also happened to mention that “Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda”.
I apologize for taking so long to get this information to you Markus, but please don’t be too hard on “getalife”. It’s not like we liberals carry this stuff around in our pockets. If you’re going to ask us to prove things that the whole world watched on television, then we ask that you be more patient while we search the archives.
Alright buddy…make it a great day!!!
By Markus
September 18, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Yep, liberalism is on the decline. That’s why the tinhats don’t even want to be called liberals anymore. But it’s also on the decline due to them not breeding. Breeding themselves right out of existence. What a great loss to this nation.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Snapping German Shephards?
Hang loose, Markus, Hang loose. (cue Rover)
By getalife
September 18, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Check these macaca
Get real, see the truth.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Markus -
Corection: The stupidity of Rosie O’Donnell seems to know no bounds.
RADICALISM in all it’s forms is abhorrent, be it Christian, Islamic, left or right. At this point in time I am far more worried about an Islamic racical than a Christian one, though I have no desire to be confronted with either.
CJ
Great Post at 12:18
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Snapping German Shephards? Hang loose, Markus, Hang Loose. (cue Rin Tin Tin).
Better gag. cant believe I missed rin tin tin. getting too old for this. besides, we’ve got bigger probs. than missed punchlines. a circle of trenches around baghdad….ring around the caliph? no, ring around the mullah? what islamic term rhymes with “collar”? or rhymes with “Bath Tub”, ring around the bathist!!
THAT’S IT!!! RING AROUND THE BATHISTS!!!
BTW: katie couric has adopted my sign off: “Dont pick your nose, or scratch in public, and we’ll all be fine.”
Background fact: Donald Trump doesn’t like to shake people’s hands for a reason people.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
CJ- I’m out of time. You still didn’t show DIRECT LINK QUOTE from Saddam to 9/11:
Saddam=9/11
Saddam=9/11
Saddam=9/11
Connecting dots A to D going through dots B and C does not mean that Bush went from dot A to D for the Iraqi invasion. We went into AFGHANISTAN first after 9/11, remember? Not ONE DEMOCRAT who voted FOR authority to go to war in Iraq mentioned a THING about Saddam and a 9/11 link. No, again, you people on the left are looking through the prism to see what only you want to see. Oh, and there WAS a connection between al-Qaida and Saddam:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Sweden can teach us all alot. First, what woman should look like. Have you seen a Swedish Femme? Then look at our collection of aunt beas and carnie wilsons.
I know for a fact that 100 percent of all men on both sides of the aisle would vote for a wife exchange program with Sweden. Tell the Swedish men we’ll subsidize their damn welfare state, it will be worth it.
I want a voman from Sveeeden, yah!
By JK
September 18, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
CJ, thanks for spelling it out for the Alzheimer crowd at 12:18. “Wha?…. Bush said there was a link? Nuh-UH! Prove it!” Please forgive them; they know not what they’re defending, only that they must yell, “Nuh-UH!”
By JK
September 18, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Political Foreskin, I’m with you there, as long as I can get me a tall, hunky blonde ski instructor! (I’m tired of getting laughed at on the slopes.) {;->
By Dusty
September 18, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Political foreskin,
Go ahead and get you a mail order bride. I guess you haven’t had much luck here. Total rejection must hurt.
So continue on. There may be some desperate women in Sweden. But a helpful hint: Don’t send your picture.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
It is blindingly obvious I could care less what MORONIC lefties think of me or my posts on Kerry!! Its equally obvious that ONLY Kerry’s political enemies will seek to undermine him and oppose him factually. The Swift Boat book is meticulously researched -it is hardly the work of just one or two Kerry hating vets but dozens of folks who simply shared their contemporaneous reminiscences - backed up with superbly convincing accounts and research!! Thus the MORONIC lefties screech when the truth is revealed.
This HILARIOUS empty sloganising about “nonpartisan links” is utterly disingenuous and MORONIC!!
On the subject of McCain I will respond thus - this is an awkward one to address as McCain is at least nominally a GOP senator -yes he was clearly tortured and brutalised -as sadly were many hundreds more folks in the same Hanoi Jane paradise. But this does NOT automatically give him the right to smugly arrogate to himself the ONLY position to take on torture/interrogation, or the best most moral position etc. His Vietnam experiences made it possible for him to get into the senate, without which he’d very likely be just another vet with an opinion. It certainly doesn’t give him “extra insight” - every one responds differently in different circumstances. Mnay people break under torture - many dont. Thus McCain’s assertions about torture - like those who difer with him - are but opinion. The CIA types of interrogation in the last five years used VERY SUCCESSFULL on the captured towel heads are actually far less harsh than the interrogation techniques used on US special forces military during their training!!
McCain is pulling his smug holier than thou act yet again - delberately undermining Bush having cynically supported him earlier at essentially no political cost to himself.. McCain is increasingly becoming very loathsome to many conservatives. THus I suggested his earlier POW experiences are becoming tarnished by his game playing. McCain’s concerns IN MY OPINION are contrived, empty and lack substance. Its given the vile liberals in the senate yet another blame America stick to beat Bush with!!
In extreme very occasional circumstances torture is justified and must be used - but not in the “recreational” extensive way arabs/mohammedans use it on almost everyone in some regimes. Saving lives in the event of immiment attacks and so on is one obvious scenario when its justified.
Harsh interrogations as ‘currently’ done by the CIA are essential to intelligence gathering - they are proven to work to very well on many deserving cases - only MORONS and LIARS claim they dont “work” … smirk
By CJ
September 18, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Markus @12:31
I’m so disappointed. Markus was genuinely upset on Saturday that nobody would answer the question his posted.
Being a liberal, I felt his pain. So, I worked hard to relieve his stress by researching his question.
Now that has the answer, he claims that its irrelevent. That’s gratitute for you.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Polls reveal that more than half of americans think Saddam Hussein did 911. Fox news is a very effective tool for the right.
BTW: When you conservative bloggers agree with each other about anything, please just type, “Ditto”, or “Smooch”, or “Ball tickle”, but dont try to restate what you’re agreeing with, cause it makes you look even more simple, and totally wastes space on this blog, deterring others from commenting.
You clowns on the right come across like politically absorbant tissues, each giving what the other gives and taking to each other back and forth like synchronized face suckers in the 69 position only a*ssbackwards……….ew!
Why dont you neo-clods take a long walk….nothing, just keep walking.
By B.Moore
September 18, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
You rarely hear much about Sweden in the news. It’s clearly because they’re a do-nothing country.
France & Russia, benefactors of Saddam’s Oil for Food program is negotiating with Iran. Why? We’ll just call it the Oil for Appeasement program. Ka-Boom ! ! !
Socialism leaves a country vulnerable when it comes to national defense.
By Make Sense
September 18, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
er, politcal foreskin, this is a conservative blog. Why don’t YOU take the walk?
Could this be the same reason you can’t find a woman? If you come to a conservative blog to find commonality with your liberal views, are you also going to gay bars or the YMCA to find women?
You aren’t very smart are you?
By JK
September 18, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
Socialism leaves a country vulnerable when it comes to national defense.
I’m not a socialist, just a curious American who likes to be informed. Can you back up that statement with any facts or examples? We need more than your unsubstantiated word for it to understand. Thanks!
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
I think you are wrong about McCain, along with Warner and Huckleberry Graham. At first, I too thought they had gone squishy soft when they opposed Our Leader’s demand for clarifying rules about the not-torture that we use on terrorists. In fact, it is an act of breathtaking political genius, and thus certainly conceived by His Holiness Our Leader himself, during one of his breaks from reading his 214 books each year. (I hear he really enjoyed the Shakespeares and Proust, despite the rampant Frenchiness.)
Back to the political genius…these guys, longtime lickspittles under the White House banquest table, suddenly and inexplicably reach into their trousers and discover a set. Lo and behold, they deny Our Leader the tools necessary to defeat terror. But wait! Within mere hours, the Terrible Trio Of Testicular Fortitude begin to talk about finding a compromise position. Why, within mere days (or most certainly within the next 7 weeks before the elections), we will hear of a grand agreement that allows Our Holy Leader to declare victory and continue to brutalize the Islamofascists in a not-torturing way, while giving the rest of the Republicans a chance to prove that the Dumbocrats are LIARS when they call the Republican Congress a bunch of quisling lapdogs lacking spine and manly equipment.
It’s win-win for everyone, except the detainees who will be not-tortured, and they deserve whatever they get for undermining our precious American freedoms.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
Unhinged foreskin needs to go choke properly on its pinko liberal kool aid!!
why dont you unhinged foreskin take a long walk out of the back of a USAF supply plane at 20,000ft with an official Kennedy/Kerry “I see no liberal hypocrisy” blindfold on - and then go do some very energetic breakdancing in an Afghan minefield with hobnail boots on!!
By Make Sense
September 18, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
er, politcal foreskin, this is a conservative blog. Why don’t YOU take the walk?
Could this be the same reason you can’t find a woman? If you come to a conservative blog to find commonality with your liberal views, are you also going to gay bars or the YMCA to find women?
You aren’t very smart are you?
By Curious Observer
September 18, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
We’ll just call that gathering in Cobb County the new Nuremberg. I hope all who attended wore their cleanest brown shirts and provided their stiffest arm salutes to the leaders. By the way, when does the night of the long knives occur? You really need to get rid of any moderates in your midst.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this
I have little or no opinon on what goes on in Sweden as I don’t generally look to Europe or abroad for basis of American standards or practices. I think we are better plain and simple. I do think Jim makes some very good points however and I have made it clear in this blog my stance on welfare and social spending. And that is to say I think it stinks and should be cut drastically so as to create an atmosphere of work-reward not openmailbox-reward. Just as the left thinks the rich dont deserve the same breaks the middle and lower class get, I think only the disabled or truly needy deserve free federal assistance. Being named Chalanda and having ten kids out of wedlock would not a recipient make under my plan.
Anyway, Im glad to see that Monday has ALL the moonbat libruls out in force. I slip away to play some golf in this mild gawga weather and it all goes to hell in here. Even JK is running her mouth mighty wreckless in here today. You’d think old G Dub got shot or something the way yall are acting. Or maybe you are celebrating because your brother in arms rammed his suv into the White House barriers and got himself all tazed and confused.
Whatever it is, keep it coming lefties. Becuase with your ever increasing insanity and nonsense, you can be assured no majority will ever put you whackos into power.
Btw, its dipping to 49 wednesday in Atlanta. Surely it must be Global Cooling and we are about to return to the ice age! Better send a few hundered million to some liberal pony tailed scientists to study it for a few years!
Godbless
By exposed the truth
September 18, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
exposed TFTT for what he is: a bullying blowhard. That was easy. You are a cut-n-run liberal pretending to be something you are not. You cannot defend your position then shut up you aren’t worth the paper to requistion the TNT to blow your a$$ up. Why don’t you either grow a brain or go back to whatever country is it you claim to have been spawned in?
I really hate bullies.
By truth or consequences?
September 18, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
finally decided you had to say something, eh, truthiness? that wasn’t exactly the overwhelming statement of well reasoned and intellectually rousing logic I had hoped for.
Time for the Truth(iness) is simply a bombastic blowhard with nothing to contribute
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
Lets hope that some of the (alleged) Cobb County Brownshirts soon run into pinko observer and Sieg Heil this sad leftist cretin a few times!!
By Dana
September 18, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
Realist, If I’d stopped reading after your first paragraph, I’d have had to say I agree… But you had to go further.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
you aren’t worth the paper to requistion the TNT
Jesus dude, what are you a 19th century coal miner? TNT? Oh wait, are you Wile. E. Coyote? LMAO!!!
Didnt you know man, its all ball bearings these days.
By JK
September 18, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
<Yawn!> ZZZZzzzz ZZZZzzzz ZZZZzzzz Wake me when a so-called “Conservative” actually makes a pertinent point and can back it up. Not that we all aren’t mightily impressed by tales of manly golf adventures, but…. ZZZzzzZZZzzz
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
TOO FUNNY — TOO FUNNY …
I see yet another snivelling liberal maggot MORON has become …smirk … yet another envious bitter obsessive cyber stalker of its conservative betters and is once again intellectually humiliating itself. it simply cannot process anything that is legitimately critical of what its liberal maggot brain has been duped into endlessly slavishly parroting.
COME ON THEN YOU LEFTIST TRAITOR - time to puke up another robotic leftist hissy fit you inbred extra chromosomed tossser!! …huge liberal hating smirk
I really hate intellectually dishonest lefties who effetly try and bully their conservative betters!!
By harold
September 18, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
realist is right! we are definitely better at being plain and simple!!!!
By Truth or consequences
September 18, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
that was a fine hissy fit Truthiness dear… I bet you’re exhausted. Poor dear, I’d say you much prefer to dish it out, but you failed the test, love. Hanity does your act, but he does it better get some new material.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Well realfake,
You beat Jim, I stopped at Sweden and said WTF.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
JK, Why I was simply replyin’ in kind after hearing tales of hunkish ski something or another, I forget. Did I miss something or was there some “pertinet point” in that middle school-ish post of yours?
And darlin aint nothing manly bout Golf. Its actually quite like a woman. Expensive, frustrating and impossible to master.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
we are definitely better at being plain and simple
its about the only you’ve mastered harold - other than making a complete ** of yourself on here.
THE SWIFT BOAT CHAPS ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT ABOUT KERRY!!!
By CJ
September 18, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
I’m a liberal, and I visit here each day to persuade or be persuaded. To date, I’m afraid that I haven’t been able to accomplish the former and am beginning to lose hope that I ever will.
With regard to the latter, I had high hopes for jbmlaw, but alas, his credibility is no more. However, I recently discovered this blog’s best kept secret. No - freedom isn’t free - but reading a post by Captain Freedom is. Each morning, I read my local liberal rag, the AJC, where my belief that Republicans in power are incompetent is confirmed. But later, after reading the Captain, I sometimes find myself second-guessing my own convictions.
No, I’m not a True Believer and probably never will be. But if anybody can clean up the mess that I’ve become, it’s the Captain. Captain Freedom – I salute you.
P.S. A shout out to my best blog buddy – TFTT. Hope you had a great weekend Truth Guy.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
we are definitely better at being plain and simple
that’s about the ONLY thing you’ve mastered harold - except for making a complete ** of yourself (as we say in England) on here.
THE SWIFT BOAT CHAPS ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT KERRY!!
By Truth or consequences
September 18, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Truthiness, dear, you almost had an independent thought. I bet if you try really hard, you could almost be a real conservative, someday, when you grow up and your brain is fully functional. Until then… it’s time for your nap, dear.
By JK
September 18, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
As it has been pointed out, this is a “Conservative” blog. Hence, I come here to learn, to be enlightened, to be shown the light of modern “conservative” thought (Hahaha!)and problem-solving techniques. My left-of-far-right cohorts and I only ask questions, request verification, and point out flaws and inconsistencies of logic in an effort to further deepen our understanding of your sage and thought-provoking insights. HAHAHAHA!
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Again TFTT, though your heart is in the right place, your head is so far removed from sunshine that you would blow your teeth out with a good fahrt.
The Swift Boatie Guys (also well meaning) are dead wrong about Kerry. In fact, the long-faced doofus from Taxachusets was never even IN Vietnam. Much like the congenital liar AlBore, his entire service record is fraudulent. The footage of him in Vietnam was actually filmed on a soundstage in southern New Mexico be a then-unknown filmmaker named Francis Coppola, who used this experience as a basis for his anti-American agitprop Apocalypse Now. He simply never served…that’s why the medals he so famously tossed were not even his.
The Swift Boaters do the rest of us no favors in perpetuating the untruthiness of Kerry having served in Vietnam. To do so demeans the noble sacrfice of those whe served with distinction in Da Nang, Saigon, and lower Alabama.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
You know, in almost all the posts from the leftist who grace us each day with thier presence, even in the serious posts, there is an underlying sentiment that the problem in the world is “America”. That our selfish pesky liberty and “prescious American freedom” are the real evil in the world, not the radical Islamics.
If you wonder why many from the right are accusing you of being anti-american and unpatriotic, this is why, not because you oppose Bush, but because you speak with a thinly veiled tone of anti-americanism that is disgusting.
If the day comes that those freedoms are lost, and we are forced to fight for our lives on the streets of small town America, I hope some of you sickening liberal pukes are proud of yourselves, and I hope your throats are the first to bleed!
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
A shout out to my best blog buddy – TFTT.
Any more of that bollocks bollock chops and I’ll be instructing my libel lawyers!!
Along with effete lefties attempting to hatefully bully their conservative betters I also hate and despise liberal poofs who try desperately to disingenuously ingratiate themselves with the always more intelligent clear thinking centre right folks who naturally despise them. Given L/Cpl Syphilis is a blatantly obvious and ineffective leftist troll its natural that naive imbeciles like CJ fawn over them. I suppose weak minded green eyed pinkos are always sullenly (and secretly) impressed by their conservative betters whom they can never emulate or even come close to matching cerebrally or morally.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
JK darlin, If it is your wish to become lightened may I suggest you cut back on the Haggen Daz. In your request for problem solving techniques may I suggest that you s** in one hand and p** in another. As for verification and pointing out of flaws, might I suggest a full length mirror.
I hope I have helped you in your quest.
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You strike the right note of outrage and disdainful hatred in your post. Like you, I work tirelessly to alert our sleeping fellow Americans about the impending threat to our precious God Given Freedoms. That is why I strongly urge everyone to voluntarily surrender those freedoms to Our Leader so that they may be preserved forever.
Yes, the bleeding throats of the liberal pukesters…now that’s an image of Compassionate Conservatism and non-hate speech that gets the Captain tingling with pride.
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
CJ, it will cost you only $1,000 to be proven wrong - all to charity, of course - and you’ll have a fine meal and my dazzling wit besides. You’ll have to admit, after the lies you told, $1,000 is less than you owe! Jim has the evidence now, just awaiting your cashier’s check.
And just to ensure there is no question about the integrity of the documents you will see, I changed the evidence. I realized anyone could forge license invoices, and we could buy phony law licenses at Fairley-Poplar. So I sent Jim my passwords to the various bar websites - independent and irrefutable, and beyond my control.
But if you had any integrity, you would base your opinions on the arguments you see rather than who makes the arguments. That is the primary difference between left and right. My friends TFTT and Realist and Barbara, and Dana who does not particularly like me, are not overwhelmed by my credentials; they challenge my arguments. Learn from their example.
By harold
September 18, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
everybody can make fun of harold all they want, but harold will have the last laugh after the terrorists have destroyed america but sweden is ok
By Truth or consequences?
September 18, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Dear Truthiness — you are quite the card, young man. Conservative betters, chuckle that is amusing. You aren’t quite a conservative yet, youngster. You have a ways to go… see real conservatives think all by themselves and don’t need to parrot what they hear the grown-ups talking about on FOX news or Hanity. Keep trying though. I wouldn’t want to discourage the development of a young mind.
By Curious Observer
September 18, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
If the day comes that those freedoms are lost, and we are forced to fight for our lives on the streets of small town America, I hope some of you sickening liberal pukes are proud of yourselves, and I hope your throats are the first to bleed!
Sounds like some of us pinkos need to get out on a golf course on a work day and do battle. Oh wait! I forgot about the cyst on my butt or whatever other excuse we have for not joining the military when we had a chance.
By Van
September 18, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
Dana,
Please inform me, what group of Radical Christians threatens death if you convert to another religion, which Radical Christian group forbids another religion in its area of control, which radical Christian group wants to set up its own country and spread its message at the point of a gun or sword?
Can you name the readical Christian group that preaches it is okay to kill a non-believer or to lie to save yourself?
By JK
September 18, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Realist, please tell us how you manage to stretch your generous heart even larger to include all your fellow Americans, so that YOUR patriotism and true America-love are never in question, but rather a beacon of hope, a shining example that we may emulate you and become one… Amen.
Who’s eating Haagen-Daaz, Babe? My BMI is 22. What’s yours?
By CJ
September 18, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
Van,
In answer to your question, I think you just described the Southern Baptist Convention.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
JBMLaw -
I’ll write you a freaking check if you would just PLEASE stop with the proof thing - they either believe or they don’t - and if they don’t - f’em!
Realist - I see you took your a**hole pills today - what is up with you? Guess the prayers didn’t work, you’d be a little easier to get along with today had you gotten any this weekend.
By getalife
September 18, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
Can you name the readical Christian group that preaches it is okay to kill a non-believer or to lie to save yourself?
Wingnuts like you Van!
By getalife
September 18, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
I hope your throats are the first to bleed!
Wow Jim,
Is this what you had in mind with your blog?
Shees.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
Van, darlin, honey, I never said that any Christian Radicals were a threat to my life, I just said I didn’t want to be around them! I was disagreeing with realist who posted that Rosie O’Donall’s idiocy was to be blamed on all liberals.
That said, you know perfectly well that many Christian radicals (from Catholic to Southern Baptist) are QUITE sure they are the only ones who will enter the pearly gates. Not that that will make any difference, but that very intolerance creates issues. (Not anywhere near the scale of the wildly insane Islamic Jihadists we are currently discussing.)
By getalife
September 18, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
I hope some of you sickening liberal pukes are proud of yourselves, and I hope your throats are the first to bleed!
Realpos,
Seek help man.
That is sick.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
My BMI is 22. What’s yours?
I’m afraid I’m not familiar with your technical scientific language. I will assume what you are refering to is the well known Big Mouth Index. I will further assume the upper end of the index is 25?
By Van
September 18, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
CJ,
Really, I had no idea, and I drive by one each time I go to the Lutheran Church. Southern Baptists will kill if you convert to another religion, do you hear that folks, get your guns out and defend yourself from the Souther Baptists - CJ said so.
I sometimes think the CJ and get a brain are the same people, they have similar brain farts daily.
By Realist
September 18, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
Dana, Is that the days fourth pot of coffee I smell brewing over there? Go ahead, pour yourself a big serving into your “Worlds Greatest Mom” mug from Disney World, clutch it with both hands, and fret over the spinach you think you may have served your family a few weeks back.
Alas, it will all be ok Dana. So long as the coffee bean pickers dont go on strike.
By Pat Robertson
September 18, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Re: Hugo Chavez: “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability.”
By Van
September 18, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
Dana,
Your the one that said they were dangerous, so I wanted a list from you.
“At this point in time I am far more worried about an Islamic racical than a Christian one, though I have no desire to be confronted with either.”
I am sure the raidcal CYA will march to your neighborhood, then burn you in effigy while demanding your death
By Realist
September 18, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
For once Im going to agree with some of the unusual suspects in here. The Christians can very well be dangerous. I know that we dont see them in that light because for years and years they have sat on thier hands and taken abuse and persecution. But trust me, when faced with eradication they can fight back and wage war as good as anyone. Read the bible for further proof of it.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
LMAO Realist! Ah, too cute! You are so far off base when you try to describe me that I can only imagine how far off you are with JK!!
ROFLOL!
By JK
September 18, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
Cheese grits & gravy lovin’ index, otherwise known as the lard-in-your-britches calculator, or more specifically, why your knees are shot.
By CJ
September 18, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Van,
I now have reason to be concerned about the Lutherans as well.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
Van, I’m going to type really slow, because I am quite sure you must have suffered a head injury recently (I know you to be more intelligent than your recent posts would intimate)
Not wanting to be confronted by and being in fear of are two VERY different terms. I’ve already posted my beliefs regarding Christianity, religion and faith. And I’ve been drawn far enough into this moronic debate, so enough already!
By Van
September 18, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
CJ,
Actually the ones to look out for are the Catholics. They have guns in their basement, for when the Pope tells them to rise up, and all Jesuits have conceal carry permits.
But then again, they haven’t beheaded anyone in well over two hundred years (The French Revolution).
By Realist
September 18, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
Im sorry Dana. I suppose I am a bit off today. I shot a 79 this morning which simply wont do! Then to top it all off, the club house was out of them little pimenter cheese sandwhiches I love so well. I guess its just been downhill ever since. I apologize.
By Unimpressed
September 18, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
I have managed several times to wade through this blogsite, and each time have come away sadly disappointed at the childish name-calling and insults (you’re fat…no, you’re fat, “that’s why you can’t find a woman”) and the reductio ad absurdum of each other’s viewpoints until most of you sound like silly grade-schoolers listening only to the sounds of your own voices. Even brighter spots like Markus and jbmlaw manage to soil themselves regularly. Then of course there is TFTT…I’ve noticed (the few times I’ve actually read what s/he says)that as afternoon comes the maniacal tone usually decreases or s/he drops off the line… today seems unusual…and I’ve wondered if that is from the prescription drugs kicking in or the illicit ones wearing off. Oh well, say what you like, I won’t be back. I never cared much for Jim’s columns, and reading his blogsite makes me think I was pretty much right.
By harold
September 18, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
harold says congestion fees would be awesome but they would have to be for all roads everywhere not just downtown because if they were just downtown thatd be the nail in the coffin for the downtown ATL business and everybody would just work in perimeter cities like perimeter/dunwoody or cumberland which are nice places to work but get their own jam plus the jam of the thrubies passing thru from the exurbs thru the suburbs and into downtown because they are self cnetered idiots who want to live in mcmansion but cannot afford it so they plow over a cow farm 80 miles away on worthless land and put a shoddy (but not shady because all the trees got bulldozed) mcmansion there with a three or four car garage but then they park their foolish SUVs in the driveway because the neighbors cant see them in the garage so what good are they and besides the garage is full of garbage anyway and probably has mice living in it too
By getalife
September 18, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
Speaking of religion
Wow.
By time for the truth
September 18, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
Then of course there is TFTT…
see how easy it is to grate on the limp wristed sensibilities of ignorant graceless wankers!!
By CJ
September 18, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
TFTT @2:40 PM —
TFTT,
I take issue with your earlier statement that I was “fawning” over Captain America. I most certainly was not. I was only complimenting him on his powers of persuasion.
The only one I fawn over is you – non-sexually speaking of course. Please cheer up. You’re still my best blog buddy.
By Van
September 18, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Dana,
Just so you and the other lefties will remember, it was non-radical christians that put down the Hitlers and Tojos of the world, not to advance their relgion or to force conversions or to punish because they practiced a different religion. They did it because it was the correct thing to do.
The scum today want all that, forced conversions, and death if you do not convert. They will riot if you insult the Prophet, but not Allah. They act just like Liberals when the republicans wanted to cut the rate of growth.
By kebert
September 18, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
Looking for a job in Sweden? The government may classify you as mentally disabled.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
Van,
You are arguing with yourself. Assuming that is really you and not another impersonator.
I teach Sunday School. I work with the youth group at my church. I pray several times a day, I am deeply faithful. I practice my views each and every day. I take this very seriously, it is a part of who I am, not a guise I put on every Sunday morning.
There is a huge, deep, wide gulf between a Christian and a Radical Christian. I’m terribly sorry that you seem unable to see that today. I believe we all have reason to be concerned with anyone who believes that they have the right to determine Godliness for the rest of us. I have seen Christian extremists tell a child that they and their entire family will burn in hell because they are not (insert religion here). This is a problem. Not the same as being blown up or beheaded, I will certainly agree! But a problem none-the-less.
Now I want the coffee Realist keeps talking about - but with a shot of Jack to smooth out the edge…
By Dana
September 18, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
AND STOP CALLING ME A LIBERAL DAMMIT! I am a moderate, I think about my decisions, am probably more conservative than you are in some respects, but far, far more liberal in others.
By Van
September 18, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Dana,
The point I am trying to make is that radical christians are far less deadly, far less violent than you common everyday radical muslims as seen on the news and in print protesting the Pope’s sound bit and not looking at what was said.
Radical Christians are ignorant, the radical bearded freaks are deadly.
BTW, on a line from -10(liberal) and +10 (Conservative), anyone to the left of +8 is more liberal than I am. Since I see Rush as a +7, to me he is more liberal than I am, you are in good company.
By JK
September 18, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this
I’m confused. Rush is a neo-conservative (vs. traditional conservative), but not a Christian. How does he fit into the convo here (from which I am trying to learn)?
By Van
September 18, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
JK,
Since when is Rush a neo-anything? He is a strong traditional conservative.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
Van - you are one hard headed individual.
By Dana
September 18, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
JK - I honestly think Van has gone off the deep end. Again, assuming this is really Van…
By JK
September 18, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
Hmmm.. For traditional conservatives, I think Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Barry Goldwater. For those still living, I think Pat Buchannan or even Bob Barr. All these men in their careers have sought to preserve traditional values and traditional small-government, keep-our-own-house-in-order policies. All I’ve ever heard from Rush is “blame the lib’ruls! blame the pinkos! blame sluts who get themselves pregnant! blame Clinton! blame the druggies! blame whomever doesn’t buy my books!” and endless cheerleading for the current crop o’ Repubs that spend us into debt, botch their quests to police the world, and take responsibility for nothing. What is traditional (or Christian) about Rush, spreading hate at the speed of sound?
By B.Moore
September 18, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
CJ, While the U.S. has no use for tyrrany & dictatorships, we do hold Sweden in high regard. The U.S. is like that, we tend to offer the benefit of the doubt, even though it’s not reciprocated.
Sweden has internal problems right now. The unemployed are unhappy. I can only imagine that their contributions in defense have declined since this decision was made.
Not More Tanks, More Cops There should be a chart at the bottom. I’m in a hurry.
Hell, the E.U. doesn’t count them in when the chips are down. They were nice about it though. Those Swedes are such a gentle people, just weren’t too eager to join the E.U.
From the perspective of the EU headline force, a Swedish Army based on young men with little to no military training –which is mostly the case with a system of conscription- would not be seen as a force that could contribute to the EU force.
They’ve lived rather isolated. Offering those same government entitlements to their Muslim population who is on the rampage right now within their own borders. Multiculturalism ain’t working out to well for them I guess.
Quittin time!
By B.Moore
September 18, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
CJ, Dropped link old but the best I can do while I’m working.
Now I’m outta here.
Do you people have jobs?
By Joeventures
September 18, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
It just goes to show you that there’s no such thing as a free lunch. When you try to take away entitlements from the suburban welfare road recipients, they revolt.
By Van
September 18, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this
Dana,
Yes, it is me, I have not seem anyone spoofing me today.
I am about as conservative as you can get without being a libertarian.
In reference to Rush, it appears that JK has not listened to Rush for any length of time. Going back to his TV days, he has been very consistant about who is to blame for things, it all boils down to accountability and personal responsibility. There is nothing neo about him and he has hit the President and conservatives and liberals alike.
One of the main areas that Rush and I disagree, I feel every high school graduate should put in 2 years of service, somewhere, either military or someother service group(Peace Corps, Habitat for Humanity or whatever). It might even work into a CCC like during the FDR days.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this
CJ, et. liberal al.-
Nowhere has Bush ever said Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Let’s repeat that:
Nowhere has Bush ever said Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Any clearer yet? No?
Nowhere has Bush ever said Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Anything sinking in yet? No?
Nowhere has Bush ever said Saddam was responsible for 9/11. In the debates between Democrats and Republicans in Congress on authorizing force against Iraq, nowhere was it stated by either party that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 nor was that even a consideration in the debates. Do we need to repeat that?
In the debates between Democrats and Republicans in Congress on authorizing force against Iraq, nowhere was it stated by either party that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 nor was that even a consideration in the debates. Again:
In the debates between Democrats and Republicans in Congress on authorizing force against Iraq, nowhere was it stated by either party that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 nor was that even a consideration in the debates. One more time:
In the debates between Democrats and Republicans in Congress on authorizing force against Iraq, nowhere was it stated by either party that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 nor was that even a consideration in the debates.
I’m wasting time here. You liberals are doing what you do best: drum up some BS point A to point D scenario and call it as the “way” from point A to point B and use it as another attack point on Bush and this war. For over two years now you liberals have been b!tching about no WMDs. What happened? Did that b!tchfest get a little long in the tooth for you people and you had to come up with a new bed to wet? Now it’s “Saddam wasn’t responsible for 9/11.” What’s the next thing you moonpies on the kook fringe left are going to drum up for a ”BUSH LIED!” scenario? Saddam wasn’t responsible for the UN Oil For Food Scandal? Goons.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this
Islam: the religion of peace and tolerance. Christianity gets bashed all around the world, but mostly here, through the sickness of Hollywood and other radical ungodly leftist. Fecal matter is spread on a portrait of the Virgin Mary, it’s called “art,” and Nothing happens. The Pope repeats a quote said by some 1300s Byzantine emperor, and muslims around the globe chant death to the pope. And limpwristed liberals think we can appease these people. Unbelievable.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this
MARKUS STFU!
you pathetic robotic titmouse
By CJ
September 18, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this
Markus,
You asked a s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c question, and I gave you a s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c answer (please re-read my post @12:18).
If you believe that your question irrelevant, then why did you ask it? You could at least thank me for my hard work.
FYI, Cheney implied that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. (Note: Cheney works for Bush.)
FYI, Cheney implied that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. (Note: Cheney works for Bush.)
FYI, Cheney implied that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. (Note: Cheney works for Bush.)
FYI, Cheney implied that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. (Note: Cheney works for Bush.)
I’ll have to get back to you on the authorization, but only if you promise not to backpedal again when you don’t like the answer.
Have a good evening buddy.
By Rich
September 18, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this
One thing’s for sure ml. You’re aiding and abedding the terrorists with your perverted views will accomplish your ultimate goal. Christians won’t be allowed to worship our God, they’ll be worshipping the mullahs and Allah.
Your liberal mission will be accomplished.
You can misplace the blame. Something you liberals are good at.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this
Nope, CJ, you have FAILED to provide a DIRECT QUOTE from BUSH or ANYONE ELSE that SADDAM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11.
Your answer was NOT a answer to Bush LITERALLY saying SADDAM WAS RESPONSBILE FOR 9/11.
Most people with thier heads out of their @sses know that, including those in Washington (why aren’t DEMOCRATs ever mentioning that? At least THEY b!tched about no WMDs).
Nope, more flawed logic from a flameworthy liberal. Making false direct connection accusations and calling it the truth. You can’t back up your comment that Bush DIRECTLY linked as to the cause to 9/11 because you KNOW IT DOESN’T EXIST.
Now run along to your next little bedwet fest. This chapter is closed.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this
One more thing, CJ-
Your idea of an “implication” is not a direct quote. I knew you couldn’t come up with a DIRECT QUOTE anywhere. I can imply that islamofascist terrorists will slit the throats of you liberals, but that doesn’t mean I want it done.
By Markus
September 18, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this
Political snakeskin-
You DON’T TELL ME TO SHUT UP on this blog, you little liberal prick. You don’t like what’s said here, pack up your little red wagon and HAUL @SS. Libonazi.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this
(o)
By peter
September 19, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
HA HA HA Markus……..you have little if any insitefull information, and it is quite obvious you are quite an angry fellow……..haven’t you stepped on any backs this week, to make your money???
Where is your “back bone” as you asked me???
Calling people names “liberal prick”……I guess you are back at your “acting” like a little girl, or the spoiled child routine!
By the way Chaney did put the two together, 911 and Saddam……he was just spinning another lie from the current administration!
HA HA HA about the sickness of Hollywood stuff as well………I guess free speach would be outlawed if you were in charge……I guess then the bull that was spun about 911 that just came out on the Right wing TV channel….. that should have been outlawed as well!
By Political Foreskin
September 23, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
More shtick from Chavez: “….who knew that Bush Spin was about spinning heads? The American people dont need a special prosecutor, they need an exorcist…..even Tony Blair is making excuses saying, “the devil made me do it..”
“…who knew that the devil with the blue dress on in the white house wasn’t an intern…..it was W in drag all along…..
“…Bush must have got his WMD intel from a Ouija Board…. “
“…Bush was gonna bomb Pakistan into the stone age. How could anyone tell? But I kid those who harbor terrorists…”
By Sell Swedish
September 23, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
Transcript of President Bush’s response to Hugo Chavez. (from wire services).
“Late last week, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela stood in front of the United Nations and called me a devil. Now, being born again, I take that accusation seriously. Make no mistake, I am not the devil.
But I’ll tell you what, Hugo Chavez is Mescalito. heh heh, when I was in college, if the cocaine was from Venezuela we knew we were getting ripped…heh heh…Hugo Mescalito! Got any peyote, Hugo? heh heh…spirit of the mescale… peyote pete…heh heh….how does it feel to be called names, Hugo? Huh? How do you like it?
I’m declaring Venezuela illegal forever. The bombing starts in five minutes. Back to the stone age with Chavez. heh heh!!”