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DEL.ICIO.USChafee or conservative GOP?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The success of U.S. Sen. Lincoln Chafee against a conservative Republican primary challenger in Rhode Island on Tuesday was no real surprise. Though he had voted against the Bush tax cuts, the war in Iraq, and Sam Alito’s nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court, the First Lady and other prominent Republicans campaigned for him. The reason was simple and obvious. They think he can win in November, while conservative Steve Laffey couldn’t. And with six seats flipping Senate control, an in-house Democrat is far preferable to an out-house Democrat. It’s evidence of the “big tent” GOP, said White House spokesman Tony Snow.
The Georgia Republicans, who are just beginning to get their bearings as a governing party, are at the stage where they have to decide whether they want to govern as conservatives or “big tent” Republicans. In the mold of Chaffe, the big tent Republicans are comfortable with Big Government and see down-the-middle compromise as to its size, role and cost as a virtue. They’ll not fly the plane into the mountain, but gradually and incrementally, they’ll expand government’s cost and reach, though less they believe than the Democrats.
Conservative governance, on the other hand, would be to find ways to reduce its size and reach, while cultivating personal responsibility and self-reliance, thereby reducing dependence. (That sentence, incidentally, will be instantly understood by most conservatives and though jibberish by most liberals. We speak two languages in this country, and they’re not English and Spanish) Quickly, though, it means that conservatives use government to seed ideas like health and retirement savings accounts that offer incentive to make responsible choices. In a generation or two, Americans can grow out of the dependence we’ve grown into.
Is it better, therefore, to create the big-tent majority so that government’s growth and reach are slowed slightly over time — the Lincoln Chafee option — or to hold out for a conservative governing majority? Obviously getting into the position to govern is vital, even if it takes a dozen Chafees. But both parties can’t be just a jumble of politicans who grow government at slightly different rates.
Lots of red-blooded fiscal conservatives are talking of sitting this one out, or of voting for a third party. Both are folly. Do either and Nancy Pelosi is Speaker and Ted Kennedy matters.
Comments
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
Defined: Conservative vs Big Tent Republicans - The Big Tent Republicans plan enough to bring a shovel with them.
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this
The jibberish is not intrinsic in your syntactical choices, Jim, but rather in the soundness of your argument. The 2000-2006 budget deficit destroys your premise, and the conclusion that follows is a non sequitur not even worthy of the honor of the label, “circular logic”.
You should have planned enough to bring a shovel.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. Coulter had a terribly funny essay about Mr. Chaffee’s limitations a couple of weeks ago. Of course I would have voted for Laffey if I faced such a choice; I always assume the voters are not as stupid as conventional wisdom says, and sometimes I am not disappointed. I certainly do not let other voters choices guide my own.
“Electability” is the wrong reason to vote against a superior candidate. Best local example I can think of is Newt Gingrich. He is one of the few creatures more pedantic than I, but he is undoubtedly the most brilliant policy wonk of our generation. If one had a hypothetical race between a highly-electable but insufficiently conservative John McCain, and the oft-demonized but brilliant Gingrich, why would anyone choose McCain?
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 14, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim, Jbmlaw, and Fellow Bloggers,
Senator Chafee is representative of the liberal wing of the Republican Party. As you point out, this group is largely more to the left of center, but right of the liberals…a political “Twilight Zone.” As I talk to Georgians who have embraced the Republican Party in recent years (not those life-long elephants), I find that the vast majority of them fall into the Chafee realm. They favor “less government” UNTIL they perceive that they need “more government.” They favor combating the Islamist Fanatics, but they believe we ought to leave the Middle East to the Middle Easterners! They are for tax cuts, yet they are troubled by increases of taxation by local governing agencies (i.e., county commissions, city councils, school boards, etc.), and they are resentful as Hades of the “large” profits they perceive the “big, bad oil companies” are making.
All is well for the Republicans in this election. Despite Sonny’s ridiculous remark on the radio (which only goes to show how dumb even the most well-meaning politician can be), there will be no real challenge to Georgia’s Republican régime this year. The proof of the pudding will be the economic situation over the next two years. If the pocketbooks remain moderate to fat, all will be well. When the leaner times come (and at some point they will come), the Republican Era will begin to fade.
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
When the “elephant in the living room” is as big as it is right now, it becomes too easy to point it out righteously and everyone who riffs about the elephant becomes an instant Thomas Paine.
Thomas Paine galvanized the revolution because his words were written in a vacuum of unspoken words about the elephant in the living room. (britain’s taxing hegemony)
The news today about the intelligence committee’s assessment of Iran’s nookyoolar threat is the last straw of lost credibility the Republicans hold. They spin intel. They spin everything to fit in a war mentality. In world war 2, it turned out that Einstein had also exaggerated Germany’s nookyoolar threat in that famous letter to FDR.
Germany’s Heisenberg, the father of all things nazi-nookyoolar, had calculated that it would take 150 years to produce enough nookyoolar fuel to make one bomb, and had abandoned the effort. He totally misunderstood how a chain reaction is brought about. He assumed that the fuel core would have to be the size of a volkswagon, instead of a tennis ball, (which it ended up being then).
The problem for Heisenberg was that he thought that all the free particles would have to collide when the truth is that only one would be sufficient to start the chain reaction. Heisenberg was a genius. We were lucky he turned out also to be a neonazi-moron.
Science can save us. It’s a shame that Conservative Governance also means less science and more superstition.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
I think MidSouth has a keen eye. In that principle vs pragmatist discussion, I remain in the principle camp. I don’t think that excludes the possibility of the big tent, however. Unlike the dems, the repubs have both sides represented in the abortion debate, the vouchers debate, the immigration debate (actually I don’t know where the dems stand on immigration,) and the homosexual rights debate. Everyone gets his say, a chance to sell his ideas to the others - isn’t that the real meaning of a big tent?
By Hadden Knough
September 14, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this
For years the Democrats tolerated segregationist senators and congressman for what they claimed was political necessity. The stench of a few liberal Republicans tolerated out of necessity is nothing compared to that.
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
It’s the economy STUPID.
If George Bush Sr.’s problem was that he was born with a silver foot in his mouth, then what is W’s problem……a silver spoon up his nose?
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this
Tom Delay has sent a spam email to his diehard followers to vote in a “Dance with Celebrity” contest on television.
The letter implore readers to support one of the dancers who is a “close friend and GOP supporter”, who “lives values we all hold dear”.
Then Delay takes a shot at another contestant, Jerry Springer, as an “Ultra Liberal”.
How the mighty have fallen. Imagine wasting political capital on that. I think Delay’s spam is very emblematic (hate that word) of the Republican situation now. It’s so over.
There’s material there and I’ll allow the comedians in the blog to find it. Look for political terms similar to dancing terms either in meaning or rhyme. (dont forget how either we learn the macarena or the terrorist win)
By Van
September 14, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this
Blog Dawg,
An interesting idea presented, but your last sentence threw me - “Science can save us. It’s a shame that Conservative Governance also means less science and more superstition.”
I tend to disagree severly. What a conservative government means is private industry does the science work, not the federal tax dollars. Manhatten like project aside, the best place for research is private enterpriase and not at the tap of public tax funds.
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this
A moment of silence for Ann Richards.
By White Jesus
September 14, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
What a conservative government means is private industry does the science work, not the federal tax dollars.
Meaning that any results disagreeing with the conservative “beliefs” are just liberal propaganda.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
“Do either and Nancy Pelosi is Speaker and Ted Kennedy matters.”
Yep, and the do nothing Congress would actually do something like accountability.
It is a pathetic disgrace that Jim does not want accountability and oversight for our government.
The gop controlled the House , the Senate, the White House the Supreme Court and created the mess we are in. You can’t blame the Dems, they have no power.
Bottom line, the gop can’t govern this great country and should never be in power again. Let the Dems clean up their mess.
By Van
September 14, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this
White Jesus,
Not at all, and Jesus was not white, he was semitic.
Private enterpriase, in the search for profits , should lead the way in scientific advancement.
By KP
September 14, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this
Haven’t posted in a long time, but Van has touched a nerve. White Jesus…step aside and let a SR. Engineer speak. Van, The world’s scientific discoveries and inventions pour out of our universities, not our markets. And even when the market makes successful contributions, it is usually done by giant research and development departments that bear a great resemblance to academia, staffed by Ph.D.’s doing work according to the scientific method.
By White Jesus
September 14, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
KP, Stay on topic!
By Van
September 14, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
KP,
You mean like Edison, Bell and Ford?
By Harold
September 14, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Harold says third party votes are the most important votes cast! Each time the Democrats or Republicans lose due to a third party, and The Wooten’s implication here is that a third party vote will result in Republicans losing, the losing party, the “robbed” party, tucks its tail between its legs AND LEARNS SOMETHING AND CHANGES A LITTLE if it has a functional brain. ALso the 3rd party gains a little more validity.
Harold says if you want things to continue how they are, keep voting D or R every time. Nothing will ever change.
If you want change, vote 3rd party. It might take 20 or 50 years but eventually change will happen.
Nobody can change everything overnight by voting in the Ds instead of the Rs or the Rs intead of the Ds this time. It makes little to no difference which one is in “for now” since the pendulum keeps swinging on the same axis.
If you want to move the axis and have the pendulum swing elsewhere, you have to do with your votes what financiers tell you to do with your expenses and savings, which is to “annualize” and “Decade-ize” (????).
One of your votes in any particular election really and truly doesn’t matter one bit!!!
However, your vote over 30 years does matter.
You might vote 3rd party every election your entire life and never get your 3rd party candidate in office, but every one of those votes counted to move those in power towards the 3rd party attempting to reclaim your vote. And who knows, maybe some day we really will have multiple political parties and the resultant functional congress.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Once again, Wooten assumes that only conservative Republicans have any claim to “small government” and “fiscal responsibility”. It is just not so. The only President to ever support a balanced budget, was Bill Clinton. They also sponsored large budget cuts to make that happen, i.e. smaller government. I don’t like big government. But part of not having big government also includes social issues like a President ending a vacation to come back to Washington to attempt to interfere in the final wishes of Terry Shiavo. Or the whole gay marriage constitutional amendment b.s. People like to point to the Democrats and say how they have an identity crisis, and they certainly do. But the GOP also has an identity crisis as well. It just has been better masked by political victory in elections. There are people in the middle who favor smaller government, financially speaking and socially speaking. But I don’t agree with the Iraq war, and so that issue complicates the process of finding middle ground on domestic issues. And it makes for strange bedfellows within our own parties. Like Laura Bush stumping for Chaffee, who if he didn’t have an “R” after his name would be indistinguishable from most Democrats. But I respect Chaffee, as he is an old style Republican. Where have these voices gone? Oh yeah, two of them from GA are no longer in office. One of them has turned to the Libertarian party and now contributes once in a while to the ajc, Bobb Barr. The other is Newt Gingrich. I agree with jbmlaw, Newt is by far one of the smartest guys I here talk. He’s emblematic of the GOP’s identity crisis. He isn’t a bible thumping moron, so he has no place as a representative of the GOP in the South. Plus he has a mind of his own, so he wouldn’t be a toe the line behind Bush all the time. That’s the kind of representation we need in Congress. We need people where their political party is just a starting point. Once they get to Congress they need to do what’s right for THEIR constituents, not their national political party. That’s how you get proper oversight and checks and balances.
By Captain Freedom
September 14, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
Van,
The Captain wishes to support your point, but would ask for an example less than 100 years past.
By Captain Freedom
September 14, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
The Captain agrees that Newt has shown shrewd intelligence in trading in his aging wives for newer and sleeker models, but his faith in the Newt was severely shaken by the WSJ column he wrote last week. Anyone who draws a moral equivalence between the Iraqi insurgent Islaomfascist thugs and the noble Southern Confederacy is a cur and a scoundrel. Newt should no longer be welcome in the land of Dixie.
By Van
September 14, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Captain Freedom,
Van was showing examples of what did happen before government involvement.
Why is it that the great research universities drool at the scent of federal money? Because they can research without the fear of losing money, or controlling costs. Hey, we can apply for a grant for this or that, it is only taxpayer money.
By Redneck Convert
September 14, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this
I’m awful glad to have a small government under this conservative bunch. Course, we now have a few trillion dollars of national debt, instead of the surplus we once had, but who’s counting? And sure, we have a few dozen Republicans in jail for stealing or headed that way, but you always have a few rotten apples in the barrel.
I’m like most conservatives. I don’t want government involved in anything unless it benefits me or supports my beliefs. If it trashes libruls, it is small government. And if it helps Those People, then it has no business doing it and is big government.
Anyway, I’ll say it again. I sure am proud to think like Wooten, TFTT, BMLaw, Markus, and Realist. It means we have the same IQ. And I’m sure they are awful proud to line up with people like me and Jim Earl at the polls.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this
Middle, I would respectfully observe that Bill did not support a balanced budget before Newt sent him one. On the substance of your post, however, I cannot dispute anything.
Harold is even more “principled” than I. I cannot challenge your standard or your rationale.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
I should clarify what I said about Chafee. I said he is an old style Republican. What I mean is he supported the first Bush. Actually, he might be the only person who ever voted for GHWBush three times for President (in a general election) as he wrote in the elder Bush in 2004, instead of voting for W. He didn’t vote to authorize the Iraq war, which a lot of people, like Wooten would use to paint him as a liberal, when in fact I say he is a Herbert Walker Republican. Tough, but smart enough to know not to get into something that is high risk, low reward like Iraq. Also on taxes, he didn’t vote for W’s tax cuts, because he knows that endless tax cuts for wealthy people has two results: national debt and more money in the pockets of people who already had the most influence on politicians.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
[Don’t worry Jim, our vote does not count anymore.](http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/14/lou-dobbs-takes-a-look-at-marylands-e-voting-problems/
By Michael Silly Savage
September 14, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
The idea of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House curdles my blood.
She has a vajayjay, for chrissake!
Yuck!
By Billy
September 14, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Manhatten like project aside, the best place for research is private enterpriase and not at the tap of public tax funds.
Bull. If private enterprise were the only source of financial support, we wouldn’t have any data on global warming because the oil companie who would be financing all the research wouldn’t let that info see the light of day. When people have developed more efficient engines and other fuel-saving measures, private enterprise bought the patents and never implemented them.
Private enterprise will only do what is good for private enterprise. It has no concern for anyone else.
By Michael Silly Savage
September 14, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
To simplify Jim’s and my ideology - dog eat dog makes us stronger. Man eat man too.
Hi Captain. You’re looking scrumptious today.
By brian
September 14, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
It looks like Ann Richard’s hatred of Republicans and saying things like ‘poor George, born with a silver foot in his mouth’ has finally caught up with her in the end.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Oops.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
I agree that Newt sent the budget up to Clinton. But like the old saying goes, “it takes two to tango.” In other words, that was a great example of two moderates getting something done that benefitted our country.
By Realist
September 14, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
There is weakness in division and strength in unity. That is clearly evident in the democratic party right now. If the hardline right sit this one out or go against the grain it will be the biggest misstep in the partys history. You are supposed to kick a guy when he is down, not help him get up!
Btw, the polls you lefties like to flaunt so much are showing both parties even at this stage. Which really means republicans have about a 10% lead, as we know those polls are biased to the left.
By Quoter
September 14, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
When the Pentagon makes crooks rich and doesn’t make America strong, it’s a bum deal. —Gov. Ann Richards, 1933-2006—
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
There is weakness in division and strength in unity.
Southern-style democracy. Also the psychology of the lynchmobber.
Good morning, chickenhawk coward.
By Van
September 14, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
Billy,
There is more than big oil out there, with the government you get one sided research, with private enterpriase, everyone can contribute.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
They voted twice for pay as you go like Clinton. The gop all voted no twice. Every single one of them.
The Dems voted yes.
By JK
September 14, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
You are supposed to kick a guy when he is down, not help him get up!
Um….. Was that from the gospel of Matthew, or II Corinthians? Just curious.
By KP
September 14, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Van,
Scientific advances with government support (recent history): humans have walked on the moon, cured countless deadly diseases, doubled our life spans, mapped the human genome, boosted food production, eliminated economic depressions around the world in the last 60 years, and created countless inventions: computers, airplanes, radio communications, laser and CD technology, smart weaponry, engineering feats like bridges and skyscrapers, new chemical compounds — the list is endless.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
No accountability leads to this
By Van
September 14, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
KP,
Where did cell phone technology come from, the government need or the government research.
When the government need to improve communications on the battle field, who provided the technology>
By brabus
September 14, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Republicans are the ones who love Big Government — the biggest expansion of Government spending since the New Deal has happened under this president and Congress.
By Billy
September 14, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Scientific advances with government support (recent history): humans have walked on the moon, cured countless deadly diseases, doubled our life spans, mapped the human genome, boosted food production, eliminated economic depressions around the world in the last 60 years, and created countless inventions: computers, airplanes, radio communications, laser and CD technology, smart weaponry, engineering feats like bridges and skyscrapers, new chemical compounds — the list is endless.
Don’t forget about the internet.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
KP, at risk of embarrassment, I’ll bite: what on earth has government done to eliminate economic depressions around the world in the last 60 years? You mean tolerating free trade? Rather like Harold’s note the other day, gov’t quit hitting itself in the head with a hammer?
By KP
September 14, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
Van,
All I am saying is that you cannot have one without the other. With the government need and funding for the research the market would not innovate. Private industry is far better in innovation, myself being company to that. FIRM (Flood Insurance Research Maps) are used by private industry but created by the need and funding of FEMA.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Greetings again, amigos and chicas of the Woo-ten KKKlan from the Valley of the Sun.
Primaries here Tuesday. McCain, supposedly the maverick middle-of-the-road GOPer cozied up to and endorsed a so-called “social conservative” (really just a bible-thumpin’ bigot) last week in the Repuke governor primary - Munsil - who used McCain’s endorsement to beat a Goldwater, who’d been leading in the polls until last week. All that knee work McCain did with Jerry Falwell and co. earlier this year - he must be afraid that the Annie Wootens of the world won’t vote for him in 2008 when he runs for Pres. unless he kisses the feet of the born again trash in this country.
By @@
September 14, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Having been a voter who pulled the “D” lever for many years (even Clinton in his 1st term), I got tired of my vehicle sitting idle in the garage.
Hooked my battery charger on the “red” terminal and jumped that baby off.
Vrroooommmm, Vrroooommmm. Get out of the way, Republicans have a destination to reach. A little sputtering along the way might require quick maintenance, but you won’t see our vehicle abandoned and parked on the roadside.
By Van
September 14, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Billy,
The internet(Aprnet) was designed and implemented for Universities and then the military picked up on it.
By Uh-oh
September 14, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Is it a crime? Or just another successful Republican political strategy?
By Realist
September 14, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Man’s Law 101 JK.
It comes right after “men should never kiss, ever” and right before “always leave one space between you and the guy at the next urinal”.
Mans Law 102 is where we learn throat stepping. :)
By Realist
September 14, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Man’s Law 101 JK.
It comes right after “men should never kiss, ever” and right before “always leave one space between you and the guy at the next urinal”.
Mans Law 102 is where we learn throat stepping. :)
By KP
September 14, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
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Only problem is that vehicle is in R (Reverse)!!!!!!
By sct
September 14, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
No @@ you won’t see your vehicle abandoned and parked on the roadside. It will be cruising through the “Bridge to Nowhere.” Unless of course its caught in Atlanta traffic.
By KP
September 14, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
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Only problem is that vehicle is in R (Reverse)!!!!!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Van, I hold some patents in the field of cellular communications, and I can assure you that the original development of cell phone technology was funded by government spending and requirements by the military based on their need for secure communications. The performance and system specifications were written by DOD engineers. Cell phones are just a commercialization of military technology.
Your tax dollars at work. If, unlike most rednecks, you pay taxes.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
@@,
Has that thing got a hemi in it?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Van, I hold some patents in the field of cellular communications, and I can assure you that the original development of cell phone technology was funded by government spending and requirements by the military based on their need for secure communications. The performance and system specifications were written by DOD engineers. Cell phones are just a commercialization of military technology.
Your tax dollars at work. If, unlike most rednecks, you pay taxes.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Van, I hold some patents in the field of cellular communications, and I can assure you that the original development of cell phone technology was funded by government spending and requirements by the military based on their need for secure communications. The performance and system specifications were written by DOD engineers. Cell phones are just a commercialization of military technology.
Your tax dollars at work. If, unlike most rednecks, you pay taxes.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
@@,
Has that thing got a hemi in it?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
Van, I hold some patents in the field of cellular communications, and I can assure you that the original development of cell phone technology was funded by government spending and requirements by the military based on their need for secure communications. The performance and system specifications were written by DOD engineers. Cell phones are just a commercialization of military technology.
Your tax dollars at work. If, unlike most rednecks, you actually pay taxes.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
@@,
Has that thing got a HEMI in it?
By brian
September 14, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
@billy 9:44am-
‘Bull. If private enterprise were the only source of financial support, we wouldn’t have any data on global warming because the oil companie who would be financing all the research’
That’s a perfect example. Just who, praytell, do you think finances all those university studies out there preaching mankind’s actions are the reason for global warming? Do you think it has nothing to do with politicians, in this case democrats, procuring money to leftist-leaning university institutions and professors? For every report out there backed up with alleged expter scientific opinion that says man is the reason for global warming, there’s another out there backed up by alleged expert scientific opinion that says the sun and natural weather patterns are the primary reason for global warming. It’s all in what side of the argument you’re on, and who funds it. Simple as that. I listen to both sides and draw my own conclusions.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
@@,
Does that thing have a HEMI in it?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Van, I hold some patents in the field of cellular communications, and I can assure you that the original development of cell phone technology was funded by government spending and requirements by the military based on their need for secure communications. The performance and system specifications were written by DOD engineers. Cell phones are just a commercialization of military technology.
Your tax dollars at work. If, unlike most rednecks, you pay taxes.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Anything that allows the shrill hectoring feminazi Pelosi access to real political power is truly anti-American. Chafee is the classic dripping Tory wet - and is probably quietly a Social Democrat abusing the political hospitality of Republicans. He makes vile Eurofanatics like the homosexual Ted Heath almost look like a sound Tory.
But there are factions in the GOP just as there are left and far left factions in the demoNcrats and Chafee along with the almost as vile wimmin from Maine are needed to ensure that the GOP continues the painfully slow progress away from the brain-wasting sleeping sickness that is liberalism.
Clearly Newt would make the finest president since Sir Ronald Reagan (PBUH) although W obviously holds that honour presently.
Watching the demoNcrats utterly unravel when they lose a third consecutive White House race in 08 is going to be even more magical entertainment than the AlBore’s spiteful extremely grudging so called “concession” that never actually was a concession in December 2000.
Americans need to remember how the scum tried to steal the election in 2000 from Bush and how the Vietnam coward Kerry managed to alienate most Vietnam Vets with his hateful despicable lies about the military on his shameless return stateside after he cynically turned three small (self inflicted?) scratches into purple hearts.
If the unhinged eco-wacko obsessed liar alBore runs again it will be comedy central time in 08 as the far left will again alienate most Americans. If HiTllary runs it will be certain defeat because this maleficent thing is deeply hated nationally, even more than the alBore. Watching the pompous wanker Kerry insert his loony wife’s inherited millions again into the race will also be great fun.
Provided the GOP dont pick a real religious nutter or a useless wimp (like Bill Frist) who will alienate the crucial swing vote its looking good for another GOP victory in 08. Despite the likes of Chafee and the vile wimmin from Maine who are just a very irksome annoying necessity that have to be “bought off” occasionally in committee appointments.
The shining city on a hill is safe for the foreseeable future as the treasonous anti-war leftists circle the blame America wagons and cannibilise one another in a feeding frenzy of Bush hate!!
huge W like smirk
By Billy
September 14, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
Van — “The internet(Aprnet) was designed and implemented for Universities and then the military picked up on it.”
a) Not exactly.
b) Who was funding the universities? PepsiCo?
By Harold
September 14, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
everybody knows al gore invented the internets! duh
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
I dont blame @@ for wishing to live in a Conservative Neo-world. If I could express myself with her level of ignorance, I would want to be rewarded for it too, as all ignorami are rewarded for being the total dimwits they truly are by the lunatic fringe now in the majority.
By Melissa
September 14, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Republicans pitching a “Big Tent”?? Laughable at least
By Billy
September 14, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
The internet(Aprnet) was designed and implemented for Universities and then the military picked up on it.
Gee, Van, everything I’ve ever read concerning the history of the internet has told me it was a military endeavor. But I’m sure you have some other info that can sway me.
Let’s assume that it was designed for universities. Who designed it? PepsiCo? Who funded the project(s)? Pfizer?
By Billy
September 14, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Don’t you mean “ARPANET”?
By George Clements
September 14, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten —
Today’s blog is very civil and modestly informative. Did you do something off-line to silence the crazies in your mental health support group?
Let us hope for continued dialogue without the name-calling.
By George Clements
September 14, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
My apologies to all for the repeat postings. Don’t know why that happened.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
“If the Americans were occupied by another country they would do the same as we are, or even more.” — Mustafa Yaqoubi, deputy of Moqtada al-Sadr
No sir, the chickenhawk cowards would be cowering under their beds just like they are now.
By Amanda
September 14, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Hey Growaset, If, God forbid, this land is ever occupied by hostile forces, you better pray to whatever God or thing you pray to that the strong conservative gun toting men in this fine country step up and fight for the likes of you peace loving cowardly liberals.
I think we know who will be cowering under the desk and who would be fighting back.
You’re a joke!
By Van
September 14, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
rednecks - Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda
U.S. Patent 3663762 — Cellular Mobile Communication System — Amos Edward Joel (Bell Labs), filed Dec 21, 1970
U.S. Patent 3906166 — Radio Telephone System (Dyna-Tac) — Martin Cooper et al. (Motorola), filed Oct 17, 1973
Yep, without good old pre divestiture Bell Labs.
By Curious Observer
September 14, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
While I carry no brief for free-spending representatives of either party, the coming election isn’t about small government. If it were about small or large government, we would not have huge deficits and a swelling national debt.
Rather, it comes down as usual to social class and the vision of government’s function—to whose ox gets gored. Liberals seem to want to redistribute wealth to the lower classes, while Republicans want to redistribute it to their own constituencies through tax cuts and such legislative changes as Social Security reform and estate tax elimination.
To achieve their respective aims, the major parties seek to gain support through distractors such as abortion, religion’s role in public life, and even the war in Iraq.
But make no mistake—following the money trail will always lead to identifying the agenda of the major parties.
Perhaps the only salvation for the taxpayer will be Congressional and presidential deadlock. That’s why I’m hopeful that the Democrats will take one or both houses in November. Only then can most of us have hope that fiscal sanity and basic fairness to all constituencies can return to Washington. Avoiding a rubber-stamp Congress is the first step toward reining in an administration that makes drunken sailors look like misers when it comes to spending and debt accumulation.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
Oh please Amanda,
The biggest cowards in the world happily hand over their freedoms to think they are safe.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
Liberals come on this blog and give praises when discourse is “moderate.” Awe. I just got that liberal touchy-touchy feel good feeling all over now.
Too bad you people on the left don’t keep your own blogs “moderate.”
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Curious, I respectfully disagree with your characterization of “tax cuts” as redistribution to the rich. Rather like saying that compelling a bandit to return the money he stole is a charitable donation. The wealth belongs to the individual, who shares it with the government by his grace; the wealth does not belong to the government.
Redistribution only occurs when the government seizes that which does not belong to it, and gives it to one who has done nothing to deserve it.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
Awww, whats the matter Macaca?
Did you get bashed on a liberal blog like you do here?
Wuss.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
Getalife, it sounds like you reached an epiphany. You mean you will now join the fight against those who would steal your freedom?
By getalife
September 14, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
The gop?
Nah, they will defeat themselves.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Real Americans are not scared like the gop wants us to be .
Like Amanda said, grow a set cowards.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
jbm
YOU’RE NOT A REAL LAWYER … NA NA NA NA!!
just being a good neighbour and filling in for the witless twonks from yesterday who deeply embarassed themselves!!
By Billy
September 14, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
That’s a perfect example. Just who, praytell, do you think finances all those university studies out there preaching mankind’s actions are the reason for global warming? Do you think it has nothing to do with politicians, in this case democrats, procuring money to leftist-leaning university institutions and professors?
And just how, praytell, do Democratic politicians stand to profit from proof of global warming? They’re nearly as beholden to corporate interests as Republicans. You’re a conspiracy nut if you believe that all the science supporting man’s contribution to global warming is false and just generated for Democratic politicians. For every report out there backed up with alleged expter scientific opinion that says man is the reason for global warming, there’s another out there backed up by alleged expert scientific opinion that says the sun and natural weather patterns are the primary reason for global warming.
More like “For every 500 reports on man as reason for global warming there’s another one that says it’s natural (or not occurring). I guess we should be glad all you head-in-the-sand “conservatives” are finally willing to admit that global warming is fact, even if you won’t admit the cause. It’s all in what side of the argument you’re on, and who funds it. Simple as that. I listen to both sides and draw my own conclusions.
No, you don’t. You just like to think you do. Almost every credible scientist is in the “global warming exists and man is a leading cause” camp. If you think they’re all just saying what the Democrats want them to say, then fine. Maybe in a decade I can sell my north Georgia home as a beach house and make a killing.
By Van
September 14, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
From my point of view, I wish one party or the other - or both would work on paying off the national debt.
All the talk of balancing the budget is pointless with this massive debt out there.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
Whatever happened to “bring em on” and “wanted dead or alive”?
Now it is, be scared, be very scared.
Pathetic.
By Amanda
September 14, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
JBM, I know what you are trying to do but I’m afraid it’s wasted effort on “growapair”.
I’m convinced he/she is the world’s first typing parrott, and belongs to the horrificly ugly Alan Colmes.
By KP
September 14, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
Billy,
Nicely stated. I agree in total.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
I’ll take a big tent Republican party with the McCains and Jafees any day to a tin hat Democratic party with the Pelosis and the Deans who don’t even want the Liebermans a part of them.
Boy I couldn’t have disagreed more with Wooten’s comment here:
“In a generation or two, Americans can grow out of the dependence we’ve grown into.”
No way in hell is that going to happen. Not these days. More and more people are wanting the government to grant everyone “free” healthcare. Most Americans now don’t want the option to transfer some of their socialist security to private accounts for better return options. More and more people are wanting the governments to madate wage laws and set a “living wage” with outlandish benefits like the French have (with their 25% unemployment).
No, the American people are getting lazier, less willing to make personal decisions and choices on their own, and increasingly looking to government for the answer to everything. I do not see this mentality reversing for three reasons: government education, democrat propoganda scare tactics (Bush is going to steal your SS!!), and the bleeding heart media.
Kudos to the Chicago mayor for giving the big MIDDLE FINGER to the socialist pink liberals who wanted to force a “living” wage on large retailers like Wal Mart and Target in the city. Both retailers told the Chicago commission in essence to go to hell and they were packing their bags for the suburbs, taking the jobs with them. GOOD FOR THEM!!! Stand up to these neomarxists on the kook socialist left.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Gotnolife, you limpwristed twinkle-toed liberals here couldn’t hit me with a dodgeball at three feet.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, TFTT. I’m puzzled, I’ve set them up and they have not followed through. JW is holding a full set of my credentials, irrefutable and verifiable, and I was just waiting to humiliate one of them. They chickened out on me. Just as well, I suppose. Half my life is preparing for battles that never happen.
By Brent Budowsky
September 14, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
It is as unhealthy for true conservatives, as it is for true progressives, to have one party rule in America. Lord Acton was right: power corrupts, and corruption is rooted not in ideology, but in human nature.
That is why the Founders warned us about the dangers of hyper-factionalism, created checks and balances against abuses, believed in a free press, serving an informed people, in a civil debate, about the public good. When Ben Franklin was asked what kind of government they had given the world, and replied a republic if you can keep it, he was speaking not merely to them, but to us.
It is not true conservatism, nor progressivism, nor Americanism, when politicians hurl the accusations of treason towards those who believe in different views, or those who report the news, or those slandered as not being part of “the real America” because of their skin, their language, or their views.
It is not true conservatism, nor progressivism, nor Americanism, when a superstate of Federal power conducts itself in secrecy, through the massive apparatus of centralized power, with claims of unilateral authority to abrogate the Bill of Rights that America’s conservative and progressive founders gave us, united in their belief in the rule of law.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Dear Amanda @ 12:03, your turn of the phrase is almost as clever as our friend TFTT. I do not wish to launch a competition between you two, but you both make this a fun site to read. (And I still like Harold, but I know you guys are not so wild about him. Whatever happened to Pete, he was pretty funny too!)
By Markus
September 14, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Quote of the year!
“I’m prepared to kiss their a* from one end of America to the other.”
-John F’n Kerry on what he’d do to the Swift Boat Vets if they went after him again in ‘08 if he ran. Oooooooo! I’m sure they’re so scared. The truth speaks for justice every time. Justice in this case is keeping a jackass kook liberal the hell out of the White House.
This idiot claimed he didn’t have “enough money” to fight what they said about him. Ok, all tin hats who believe this raise your left butt cheek!
Kerryin08!
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Well-written Brent. The recent intra-Republican party squabble over immigration gives me some comfort. Although my side (free immigration) seemingly lost, our view was heard and respected before it was rejected.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
Markus, I keep looking for some area where we can debate, but you write mostly the arguments I believe. I think I am slightly more optimistic than you, however.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Of course not Macaca, you would have to crawl out of your hole.
I am not talking about dodge-ball.
I am talking about fighting in a war.
Are you a child?
Run along, adults are talking here.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
One of the liborat party’s absolute WORST nightmare scenarios: gas goes down to nearly a buck a gallon. “Bush is manipulating oil prices for politics!” It would be freaking all out mayhem for the loonbats.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html
By Markus
September 14, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
gotnolife-
Careful, your pink slip is showing…
By Slotl
September 14, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
There is no “big tent” in the Republican Party. The NeoCons have made it very clear that it is “my way, or the highway”.
I am a fiscal conservative, but the Republicans are spending more than the Democrats ever did. At least the Democrats spent the money AT HOME for the benefit of OUR POPULATION and social well being.
Truely, both the political parties need to “stand back” and take a look at what they have created. The first step—-get rid of the lobbiests. Next, look at improving access to affordable health care, rebuild the levies in New Orleans with NEW technology, not rebuilding to “old” standards. Look at the educational standards of today…the US are no longer the intellectual leaders. This administration has seen fit to stop research for religious reasons .. what happened to the separation of church and state.
I won’t even go into the imperialism of this administration and our outragious activities in Iraq.
Big tent, I don’t think so!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Van, it’s difficult for me to argue technology and engineering with a red state high school graduate, but I’ll try to dumb it way way down.
Marconi invented the radio. It did not take anything more than innovation (and an application) to make a 2-way radio.
Bell invented the telephone. It did not take anything more than innovation to do telephone calls over the air, instead of through a phoneline.
Only when there was a customer for these technologies were they developed further - the US military was one the first customers, and they paid a lot of the freight for the development effort. Bell Labs and Motorola still get tons of taxpayer money for their products, and therefore for their R & D. Back in the 1970s, the percentage of revenue from the government for these companies was even higher.
By harold
September 14, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
harold does not know about global warming, but harold does know that you can easily convince yourself that cars are messing up the atmosphere by getting behind one rather than inside one.
it does not take long at a red light on a bicycle to be sickened and overheated by exhaust spewing at you.
if everyone is so sure their car does no harm, go home and hook its exhaust pipe to your home’s air intake and breathe deeply
By getalife
September 14, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Yep, a child.
School out today Macaca?
Run along, I might hurt your feelings and I do not argue with ignorant children that think they know but don’t know macaca.
By Conservative Police
September 14, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Slotl, I think you need to turn in your membership card at the next station sir. You done turned on us.
By Hadden Knough
September 14, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
I saw a big tent once. There was a circus inside. Not sure this is something aspire to.
By Slotl
September 14, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
To Conservative Police,
Thank you for your kind comments and assessment. I guess I made my point.
People like me will be going to the polls and NOT voting RED this year.
Close up the tent (or buy a smaller tent), the citizens are leaving in droves. We can no longer put up with the “pied piper” school of politics.
P.S. It’s mam not sir.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Good news, Woo-ten KKKlan gals. The good Repukes of Scottsdale here voted down an ordinance that would have outlawed lapdancing, despite the fundies voting for it.
That means Markanus, tftt - terdburgling fairy tranny troll, Realist, etc. - you all have another place to pursue your careers, girls.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
Alright jbm?
It was very funny yesterday … I suppose the regimented leftist bile will eventually revert back to Realist and then likely go in order again. They seem to have just four targets on here. And I am real proud to be one of them - happily they never seem to stop enviously sneering at me … proof positive that I’m having the desired effect!!
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
HK, your funny line evokes Will Roger’s old note, “I’m not a member of any organized political party - I’m a Democrat.”
By Conservative Police
September 14, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
People like me will be going to the polls and NOT voting RED this year.
No offense, but if conservatives had to count on females votes to get elected, well, we would never get elected. Your time would be better spent trying to get your gender to get out and vote PERIOD.
Have a good day, I’m sure you have more important business.
Isn’t that the dryer buzzer I hear in the background?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
I have an idea for a play - Markanus and tftt - terdburgling fairy tranny troll discussing the future of Amerikkkan kkkonservatism.
I’ll call it “The Vagyna Dialogues”
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
Dear TFTT, you must have missed my 12:15. I suspect your analysis is right on target.
You’ll have to hold down the fort, I have a full afternoon coming up. TTYT TFTT.
By Middle America
September 14, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
The other day we got into a discussion about the treatment of prisoners. I defended the position that anyone the US detains should be treated according to the Geneva conventions, and that Congress nor the President should make any laws that narrows the definitions in interrogating prisoners. Well today a pretty big heavyweight weighed in on the subject and I think we all should listen up. Colin Powell sent a letter to John McCain urging him to keep up the fight and not allow Bush’s proposal to be passed in Congress.
Quoting: “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,” said Powell, who served under Bush and is a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “To redefine Common Article 3 would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.”
A lot of the banter on here was to the effect that the terrorists aren’t signatories to the Geneva convention, they behead our prisoners, blah blah blah. It’s not always about what the terrorists do. Sometimes you have to think about how the things we do to combat terrorism now, will be used against us later. You can call me a wimp, commy, liberal or whatever all you want. But you certainly cannot call Colin Powell those things, nor McCain.
By White Jesus
September 14, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Full afternoon of arguing that the Earth is flat?
By Missy Rottweiler
September 14, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Who cares who the party of oil, money, and spilled blood has as members? The Democrats are purging these types, such as Lieberman, from our ranks so that we can speak with the clear voice that America wants. President Carter spoke to this in his endorsement of Lieberman’s opponent who is more in tune in the mainstream with how Americans feel.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Rednekkks vermin … assuming you’re not lying YET again about being out of your secure GA State Mental Hospital grounds.
there is a large angry rattlesnake out in the illegal alien infested Arizona desert with your name - rednekkks NAMBLA - spray painted it, just waiting to bite ya … now go find it and give it a big sloppy kiss from all your conervative chums on here!!
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
jbm
yes … I see you actually challenged them and they wimped out. typical cowardly liberals.
By Man of Science
September 14, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
Van,
Those that favor science tend to be more educated, and view the ignorance of the masses as a danger to society. Those that favor common sense tend to be less educated, and value practical, everyday experience over the abstract and the theoretical. Conservatives claim that our government should be ruled by common sense, by citizen legislators who come from and quickly return to “the real world.” But this is not a custom practiced anywhere else in our society; for example, when people need surgery, they rely on highly-trained surgeons, not home remedies or old wives’ tales. Liberals therefore call for our government to be run by those educated in its workings and policies.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
Rednekkks vermin … assuming you’re not lying YET again about being out of your secure GA State Mental Hospital grounds.
there is a large angry rattlesnake out in the illegal alien infested Arizona desert with your name - rednekkks NAMBLA - spray painted ON it, just waiting to bite ya … now go find it and give it a big sloppy Monika/sick Willie like kiss from all your conservative chums on here!!
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
off white jesus
time for you to go get a nice fake tan, just before your long overdue crucifixion … that Bosch nail gun is just itching to be put to good use!!
By @@
September 14, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
Man of Science,
So basically my Republican vehicle is headed toward the dark ages? I understand that..but at least its headed somewhere.
By White Jesus
September 14, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Time for the Truf,
Same tired jokes? You’ve became a rerun of yourself govenor.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
BMlaw, I for one have never doubted your credentials. Woodrow Wilson is one of the finest non-accredited law schools in Atlanta, and the Georgia state bar exam is one of the 50 most demanding state bar exams in the entire US.
The imagination and forward thinking encompassed in your incessant posts here indicate someone well qualified to represent drunks, wifebeaters, and other assorted redneck trash in some of the many esteemed municipal and county courts in the Atlanta area.
Salute!
By CJ
September 14, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
I’m going to get to Jim’s question about “big-tent majority” vs. “conservative governing majority” in a minute, but first I want to take him to task on another subject he broached the other day and how it relates to today’s blog.
In recent blogs, Jim has tried to encourage us to try to elevate the level of debate. He wrote yesterday that he seeks “a discussion that has as its sole purpose some consensus about what’s best for future generations”. He added: “I guess what I’m asking here is that posters recognize the gamesmanship aspects of it and leave on the table those taunts that are going to tempt you simply to reply in-kind if that’s not your sport.” (Yesterday’s readers know that, despite this request, I’m guilty as charged. I apologize, and I’ll work on that.) I believe Jim’s comments were genuine and well-meaning.
But, in the same post Jim adds: “I would like to think that had Clinton been President at 9/11 I would have been respectful enough to the Office to frame my disagreement in a way that wouldn’t undermine his efforts to defeat our enemies abroad.” In today’s blog he writes: “Conservative governance…would be to find ways to reduce [government’s] size and reach, while cultivating personal responsibility and self-reliance, thereby reducing dependence. (That sentence, incidentally, will be instantly understood by most conservatives and thought gibberish by most liberals.)” He adds that if Democrats take the congress then “Nancy Pelosi is Speaker and Ted Kennedy matters.”
The “undermine” comment implies lack of patriotism or intelligence. The “gibberish” comment implies lack of intelligence. The Pelosi/Kennedy comment is simply a cheap shot. You say Democrats undermine Iraq; we say Republicans undermined Kosovo (called “Clinton’s War” by Republicans). You throw out platitudes like “reduce government’s size and reach”; we point to the Bush/Miller/ Chambliss/Isakson Medicare prescription drug plan, agricultural subsidies, steel tariffs, national debt and Teri Schaivo and wonder how you can say such things, but still vote for these guys. You say Nancy Pelosi/Ted Kennedy; we say Katherine Harris/Ted Stevens. Both parties have middle-aged women who wear too much make-up and curmudgeons named Ted that the other party loathes. In the end, nobody is persuaded. To the contrary, both sides are digging in and becoming angrier, meaner and more self-righteous.
If Jim wants to elevate the level of debate, then he should elevate the level of debate. I think he means well. But he should realize that while articulate and indirect implications or demonizing members of the other party aren’t as low as calling someone an idiot, the result isn’t much different. I feel this way about Democrats too. For example, I don’t buy this “party of corruption” crap.
What to do? Here’s another idea: be specific. For example, we shouldn’t create and support a “welfare state”? This blog is a great opportunity to persuade. What specifically don’t you like? We know how conservatives feel about the AFDC (about one-percent of the federal budget). What else do you have? Do you want to eliminate the Consumer Product Safety Division? How about the EPA? What about the CDC? Why or why not? Do you believe that the problems the EPA was created to solve no longer exist? If not, what are your free-market solutions? Be specific and let’s debate the specifics. Platitudes like “welfare state” persuade some – but only for a while. In the long run, specifics are what matter.
Maybe I’ll lose my composure and be swimming in mud by the end of the day. But I’ll know it.
I’ll have to post on today’s question later.
By Slotl
September 14, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
Dear Conservative Police,
It is exactly your attitude toward women which is making us not want to go to the polls. Or…to put it in your terms Isn’t that the dryer buzzer I hear in the background….we are too busy working full time, raising your children, carpooling, shopping, cleaning, cooking, organizing, planning and taking care of all household finances to take the time to vote for someone who has no respect for my opinions, personal health, welfare, and well-being.
The tent is getting smaller and smaller, (especially if the conservatives share your opinion of women and their opinions).
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
When law, time4theturds, and realisp post, they should just post “ditto”, because that’s all they ever do: agree 100% with whatever nonsense Wooten miswrites.
But why hack Limbaugh? Lets be more original. Law, time4thewipes, and realips, (lucky sailors), should post, “Smooch”, cause they actually defacto kiss wooten’s cute patoot with every post, like the non compos mentis mincemeat muchers they truly are.
They also should only post once a day, because every single post is the same. You dont have to read them, you already know how the comments will read.
Fact, Jack, dey be da holler back girrrrls!
By Realist
September 14, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
Conservatives claim that our government should be ruled by common sense, by citizen legislators who come from and quickly return to “the real world.” But this is not a custom practiced anywhere else in our society; for example, when people need surgery, they rely on highly-trained surgeons, not home remedies or old wives’ tales.
Man of science, I do not doubt you are an educated man in the world of science, but as for debate, you need to study up. The statement above is what we ignorant masses call false comparison. One has nothing to do with the other whatsoever. Maybe there is a reason some are suited for politics and some are suited for isolated lab work. A pleasing appearance may also play some role.
Can you guess what technique Im using right now? Thats right, it’s Sarcasm, Condescension and Patronization!!
By Curious Observer
September 14, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
Rednecks, don’t romanticize BMLaw’s work. See, he figures out how insurance companies can cheat hapless policyholders out of benefits. It’s the Amerikkkan way.
So I’m afraid his day is full of uttering phrases like “statute of limitations,” “beneficiary,” and “probationary period,” rather than employing the more colorful tactics of criminal defense attorneys.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
Blog Dawg, your 1:39 captures the essence of modern conservatism, and the girls of the Woo-ten KKKlan in particular. Kudos.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
From her recent post, one would surmise that Realist picks her politicians the same way she picks her lapdance customers - by the size of their wallets.
Shake that moneymaker, girlfriend.
By Jim Wooten
September 14, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
Mr. Clements, you inquired yesterday whilst I was away listening to politicians talk about the possibility of hiring somebody to guard the gate to keep certain kinds of posts from the blog.
On a number of occasions I’ve mentally gone through the exercise of trying to decide which posts should stay and which should go. The point of the exercise was to see if the “permanent” record could be preserved in a way that politicians, or people considering a run for public office could read back over them in an efficient way to get up to speed on issues and to see how intelligent people respond to them, the kinds of questions that arise and how people respond.
At the time I was thinking of going back after, say, 24 hours and editing the blog to make the substance of the debate flow more coherently to somebody who’s looking for a quick subject browse.
I’ve pretty much given up that idea because some of the entertainment aspects of it would be lost and because there’s merit often in posts that wander off topic. I never seriously considered being or having the gate-guard you suggested because I’m not the speech police and don’t want to be in the position of deciding who gets to say what or how. Occasionally, a post will cross the line and I’ll take it down but I believe that, with one or two exceptions, the only posts I’ve taken down that weren’t repeats were the postings of trolls.
By Realist
September 14, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Hey RAQ, You really dont have your best stuff today. Havent for a while now actually. Im guessing its the haze from the opiates or sedatives. Why dont you roll your chair down the driveway and into traffic and give the constant posting a break for a while. Just a suggestion.
By Man of Science
September 14, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Realist,
I’m sorry, maybe I can expand on that. Throughout American history, the approach to human wisdom has been divided into two camps: science and common sense. Those that favor science tend to be more educated, and view the ignorance of the masses as a danger to society. Those that favor common sense tend to be less educated, and value practical, everyday experience over the abstract and the theoretical. This latter group believes that scientists are cut off from the real world in their ivory towers, too busy devising fanciful theories to experience how things work in real life. They believe that scientists have been continually proven wrong throughout history, and even today their theories do not jibe with common experience. Liberals have a tradition of preferring science, and conservatives common sense. Thus, much of the ridicule heaped on scientists is really from conservatives trying to discredit liberals.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Realist, girlfriend, why you be player hatin’?
Don’t make me call your pimp. Get back to trickin’. Time is $$$.
By Realist
September 14, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
Man of Science, Now Im afraid you are using propganda techniques sir. The technique you deploy most recently is Unsupported Claims. I know of know studies and you cite none that reach such conclusions about the masses and human wisdom.
As personal opinion, which is all it is, I respect your right to it. To attempt to convince us its concrete is dishonest. Or as jbm would say, you have established no foundation for these facts, therefore we object!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this
OK ladies, you can come out now - big bad rednecks-AAQ is off for the rest of the day, so you can slither out from under your rocks.
Maybe tomorrow.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 14, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Man of Science, just so you know, Realist is a University of Alabama graduate. You’ll find her rhetoric a cut above the usual.
The usual Alabama trash, that is.
By Man of Science
September 14, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
Realist, I would only point to a few in recent memory not the flat earth argument that White Jesus throws out. Stem Cell research, Global warming, alternative fuel research, and the age old Evolution argument.
By Realist
September 14, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
So to go back to your original thoughts MOS, you think conservatives, and thereby common masses, have no understanding of stem cell research, Global Warming, Alternative Fuel research and evolution theory?
Im just not following you. At the end of the day it sounds like a nice way of saying “all those conservatives are dumb enough to believe in God and we arent”!!
By brian
September 14, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
@Billy 11:59am
Nobody has ever said that global warming wasn’t happening. Global warming has happened all throughout earth’s history. If global warming never occurs, then why did the massive glaciers melt about 10,000 years ago during the last ice age? I doubt very seriously many neocons do not believe the earth warms and cools as you reversely insinuate. Further, your accusation that most scientists almost unanimously agree that global warming is mostly man’s fault is a mirage. Here, read. http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17181 On the second note, if you do not believe that places like Berkley University or Harvard have funds channeled their way for so-called studies that support a politician’s point of view, it is you that is deranged. Whether or not the outcome is ultimately true or not isn’t the point. Three decades ago or so we were told the planet was in danger of global cooling due to man’s activities by scientists. Right now the hurricane season is being downgraded almost daily from spring forecasts, yet it was supposed to be global warming causing increased hurricane activity the past few years. At least that’s what Al Gore told me.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
This post will be for the record Jim.
“The key takeaway for Barnes was that “bin Laden doesn’t fit with the administration’s strategy for combating terrorism.” Barnes said that Bush told him capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.”
He pardoned him for killing 3000 American civilians.
By pedant
September 14, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
Redneck: Good points; however, the inventor of radio was Tesla not Marconi.
By brian
September 14, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
I like how Man of Science sneaks in a below belt shot by claiming liberals are more intelligent because they choose science and conservatives less so because they choose common sense. Good sneaky stuff. Actually, in my personal experience, liberals make decisions and address issues based on how they feel, and conservatives based on what they know. But alas, conservatives generally make more money than liberals anyway, so I suppose knowledge really is more important in the real world. I agree with the general consensus that the ignorance of the masses don’t need to be running this nation. That’s why we have the Electoral College electing presidents that liberals want removed and not the popular vote which liberals want it replaced with.
By Da Tominator
September 14, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
Chafee is so far left, he makes Dean look like a conservative.
But its called the Republican party, not the Conservative party. I think if, as a party, we can at least agree on certain basic fundamentals (terrorist = bad person who should receive a smartbomb up his derriere rather than the other guys who think terrorist = misunderstood peasant who should be sent to prison), then we can hash out the other stuff.
By Blog Dawg
September 14, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Jay Bookman’s article today about end game scenarios for Iraq is a masterpiece of geo-political acumen.
Should we stay or should we go? Acuna matata…it just dont mattah….acuna matoron….realisp is a moron….acuna mateetard….law is a retard….acuna matatope….@@ is a big dope……..
Hey, this is fun, kids. Let’s all play the Name Game! Law law bobaw, banana nana fo faw me my mo maw… LAW!!!!
You see, kids, take the beginning of the first name and the last part of the last name and twist it together like…how does the instructions go? dammit! I always get the rules to the Name Game wrong….I hate pop songs… I hate hip hop… I hate rap…. I hate everything!!!
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
spot on Realist
rednekkks vermin has actually been well under par with its compulsive bilious patter since about the third day (painfully now many months ago) of its incessant I hate southern white folks bollocks. other than humilating itself with occasional forays into its weak basic general knowledge of such trivia as radio patents etc which pedant nicely corrected albeit way too politely, it has clearly completely lost its way on here. it has no political agenda nor ever any legitimate political points to make, just occasionally paedophile like abuse of its conservative betters, neanderthal like Bush hate and sundry vulgar inanities. which admittedly is occasionally great fun mirroring back at it.
such a waste of such a fabulously gifted BIG SMIRK far leftist mind - eh?
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
white jesus seems to have nothing to say as usual - time to get Judas to sneak on him to the Romans/Hamas!!
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
hey white jesus … if the earth is flat do we get to kick your ultra dumbarse off the edge?
By getalife
September 14, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
For the record, this suks
By CJ
September 14, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this
I know better than to start this up again, but I can’t help myself.
Jbmlaw @12:15 PM - I think you know that no person will pay $1,000 to prove to him or herself that what you say is true. It’s an offer that’s impossible to take seriously, and it hurts your case more than it helps it. So, against my better judgment, I’d like to help.
As a more reasonable alternative, I’ll send a check for $20 to Jim Wooten c/o AJC, made out to the charity of his (or your) choice, for a copy of the three current bar invoices you forwarded to Jim. In addition to the invoices, I must be able to verify with all three bar associations that you are a current and active member (so – please confirm that I’ll be able to do so). As you can see, I have not changed a single term of your offer, but only reduced the cost from $1000 to a reasonable amount. If I have evidence “beyond a reasonable doubt” that you’re a lawyer in three states, then I’ll say so online for all to see.
As you might recall, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Accepting my counteroffer is to your benefit – not mine. What say you?
By JK
September 14, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
Getalife, do you mean THIS? Are you sure you have your priorities straight? The “conservative” posters here don’t seem to have a problem with the sacrifices of others.
Six of the wounded had been returned to duty Thursday night, but another 15 were in serious condition, the U.S. command in Baghdad said.
“The explosion caused debris to be scattered into a concentrated troop area,” the military said in a statement.
Two other U.S. soldiers died Thursday in separate attacks around the Iraqi capital, and another one died Wednesday near the northern city of Mosul after he suffered wounds from enemy fire, the U.S. military said.
The number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war stands at 2,671 since the 2003 invasion. Seven American civilian contractors of the military also have died in the conflict.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
Harold … its very slow on here today so what about a reasonably serious question or two about your obsession with cars and big oil?
do you drive a car yourself?
is it a small car [OLD OR NEW?] or a large petrol guzzling SUV like Kerry/The AlBore and most other eco-wacko obsessed lefties drive? BE HONEST NOW!!
why are you seemingly so obsessed with buses given that buses cover a tiny area of metro Atlanta and are filled with recovering DUI criminals and other criminals on their way to muggings/car jackings and crack deals and other ordinary decent folks who perhaps cant afford a car?
are you as anti aeroplanes as you are cars?
do you miss Concorde?
By CJ
September 14, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
TFTT -
I just noticed that jbmlaw has signed out. If you catch him tomorrow before I do, will you please pass my @3:39 offer onto him. Thanks brother.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
For the record:
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11
Our President is not going after the ones who were involved with 9/11.
This is insane!
The world knows this fact and they are waiting for us to do the right thing.
Delete that Jim.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
CJ’s witless obsession continues … jbm’s career is of NO concern whatever - especially on a blog. Its only petty anal morons who have nothing better to do than attack folks on such a control freak level. I happen to believe he is a company solicitor as he says, but if he’s NOT then who cares one way or the other. It doesn’t detract from anything he says - any legal opinions/commentary he posts will stand up -or not. Its either envy or spite that keeps this cretinous ‘campaign’ going!!
$20 is a pathetically inadequate sum - clearly you are getting much for your food stamps these with all the mexican type competition!!
By Realist
September 14, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
I dont know if you caught the blog late yesterday or not TFTT but that old Harold hates cantaloupes too!! I was curious myself what led to his oddity?
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
CJ
polite as you often are - this obsession is getting extremely silly.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
harold was probably looking for some pips to spit out at people driving their cars on the bus ride home and discovered cantaloupe pips were not as good as say ordinary melons!!
By Middle of the Road
September 14, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Brian: I read your link and did a Google search and found most links were right back to this same URL. I found a few liberal blogs which claimed that the survey was sent mainly to non-climatologists who were skeptical of global warming. Sounds like another case of he said: she said. I do agree that a lot of scientific studies find evidence to support the people who funded them. For example, the CFC effect that is “destroying” our ozone layer actually shows the oxides of nitrogen are having a greater effect than the CFCs, but nobody is trumpeting the idea of banning the internal combustion engine.
All I know is that the average temperature has increased almost .5 degrees C over the past 100 years. They may not be a lot to you, but it is to me! Occam’s Razor says it is caused by mankind. You may be right, though. I’m reminded of the story about the discussion between the preacher and the atheist. The atheist asks the preacher how he would feel if after 50 years of preaching he found out when he died that there was no God. The preacher’s response was that he’d probably feel a lot better than the atheist who found out after he died, there WAS a God.
If you’re right and there is no global warming you get to win an argument, but what if you’re wrong?
By Realist
September 14, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
I hear ya Truth. I myself try to give as few details as possible in here. Last thing I need is one of these whack-o lefty Bush haters showing up at my office or home and throwing dead animal fur at me or tying themselves to one of the oaks in my front yard!!
And thats not to mention I wouldnt want one of the lefty ladies on here like JK stalking me so she can try to get close to a real conservative man who doesnt cry during sex like the limp wristers ;)
By JK
September 14, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
Getalife, “the right thing” is apparently not something that you or I can decide. Only the “conservatives” can decide when it is appropriate to follow the words of their Lord, and when to ditch those in favor of “laws of man.” You have to be specially appointed by God (like Bush) or by your fraternity (snerk) to have that privilege. The rest of us are instructed to simply sit quietly and trust their decisions.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
the truth about oil prices …
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html
I remember in GA when petrol was just 75 cents a gallon in the late 90’s … happy times for Harold I’m sure!!
By CJ
September 14, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
TFTT -
I’m a little confused. Your @1:13 post seems inconsistent with your @3:51 and @3:53 posts. No matter.
Have a great afternoon.
By JK
September 14, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
Regarding your kind, R, trust me: been there, done that. <Yawn!> We live, we learn, we move on. It’s not me you have to fear. heh
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
I told you Realist that when JK discovered you aint a potential sugar daddy the interest would magically wane … she’s probably gonna quietly change her id now and start on some of these “real” (snigger) lawyers that are still obsessing over jbm!!
it might be worth tying a few lefties to one of the oaks though and setting fire to it … at least its worth a thought - although that might be just too close to a fiery cross for your homeowners association :)
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
CJ
at that point, 1.13 - no one had suggested calling jbm’s bluff … I still dont get why its so important to you - or anyone!!
By Realist
September 14, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
it might be worth tying a few lefties to one of the oaks though and setting fire to it … at least its worth a thought -although that might be just too close to a fiery cross for your homeowners association :)
Why TFTT, that is a horrible thing to say. Id never harm a good tree like that. Now fire-ants, that would make it interesting. Interesting and s-l-o-w.
By john
September 14, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
Why just stereotype the GOP? And I wish everybody else would answer to what I’m about to say…I got some news for you all. The Democratic Party is NOT a ‘Big Tent’. Its far more closeminded then the republicans. Don’t believe me, ask Joe Lieberman? Want another example: Remember the Democratic Convention when then Gov. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania was denied his 1st amendment rights to speak on the podium because he was Pro-Life? The democrats are now a closeminded far-left only party. If you have any independent thoughts then don’t join.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
so MEN are more intelligent than women - HERE’S THE PROOF!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?inarticleid=405056&inpageid=1770
clearly the inferior likes of Sheehan, HiTllary, Streisand, Pelosi et al are a long way down the list!!
By Realist
September 14, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
oh JK JK JK. So angry. So bitter. The only thing I have to fear is the IRS. Oh, and colon cancer.
And TFTT, I could never be a sugar daddy. I dont understand the premise of it. Why pay for something that is so easily manipulated and attained for absolutely nothing!! Thats just not sound fiscal practice in my experience. :)
By JK
September 14, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
Pimp Daddy can’t stand it when he can’t turn a b—-h out. The answer is still NO, vile pimp. Don’t make me call the vice cops on your sorry, bling-less a—.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
I agree Realist, Trees are vastly more important to the world than lefties, and trees are much smarter - even the dead ones!!
Fire ants it is then - although a few pirhanas in a few Hollywood limousine liberal mansion swimming pools would be a jolly good idea!!
As would a swarm of very angry killer bees chasing the extremely chubby AlBore through the rain forest!!
By JK
September 14, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
Movin’ on ain’t bitter, Dude. There’s a big wide world beyond your little offering. But I understand your fragile ego’s need to believe that all women who aren’t with you are sad and miserable. “Oh, boo hoo!” Feel better now?
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
WOW … it looks like feminazi JK has finally joined the NAGS … the national association of gals!!
superb hissy fit love - you place or mine tonite? … * huge evil smirk*
By getalife
September 14, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
john,
Joe supports the Iraq disaster and kiises w.
Jim,
You should delete the fake posters here like realfake, fakelaw and time for the lies.
They are a waste of blog space.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
WOW … it looks like feminazi JK has finally joined the NAGS … the national association of gals!!
superb hissy fit love - YOUR place or mine tonite? … huge evil smirk
By Realist
September 14, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
There’s a big wide world beyond your little offering.
Nice double entrende there JK. Made me laugh. Believe me, I know there is bigger and better out there, if you can get past the BO and risk of being hit in a drive buy.
By john
September 14, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
Being a ‘middle of the roader’ I’d like to ask Blog Dawg something…You mock George Bush Sr. because you feel he was born with a ‘silver spoon’ in his mouth. Even though he served in WW2 and was shot down by the Japanese. Yet, I never heard you say Teddy Kennedy or Jay Rockefeller were born with ‘silver spoons in their mouths’. They come from far richer backgrounds then Bush. Hey, you don’t trust those rich folks, those multi multi-millionaires. Does that mean you don’t trust Kennedy, Rockefeller, John Kerry, Marie Cantwell, Barbara Boxer, John Edwards, Jon Corzine, Robert Byrd, and Barbara Feinstein, etc.? And I’m not even mentioning the ones who don’t hold a political office like those spoiled Hollywood celebrities and George Soros.
By Realist
September 14, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
There’s a big wide world beyond your little offering.
Nice double entendre there JK. Made me laugh. Believe me, I know there is bigger and better out there, if you can get past the BO and risk of being hit in a drive buy.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
I see maggot brain cannot contain its compulsion to post more knuckle dragging envious of its conservative betters drivel. Why so bitter maggot brain? supposedly, according to all the smug lefty Bush haters and blame America crowd your lot of weasel like cut and run scum will be running both the house and senate in a few weeks …
I recall when you first joined on here - you claimed to be just an ordinary american with NO party/partisan affiliation …
CLEARLY YOU ARE A WORTHLESS SNIVELLING far LEFT LIAR!!
By CJ
September 14, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
TFTT - @4:09 - So you believe jbmlaw’s offer was a “bluff”? Interesting. Like I said, I’m just trying to help the guy out.
Take it easy.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
CJ
I suggested that he called the doubter’s “bluff” … nice try at twisting it though - and you still slither away from actually answering the direct question - WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SO CONCERNED WITH THE OCCUPATION OF A TOTAL STRANGER ON A BLOG??!!
By john
September 14, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
getalife, so you destroy Lieberman because he has an independent view (Iraq war). So much for openmindedness. BTW, I was v. our incursion into Iraq from the beginning. As were conservatives Pat Buchanon and Tucker Carlson. They are NOT being personally destroyed by republicans like Lieberman has been by his so-called friends (who needs enemies). Also, the GOP hierachy did NOT try to destroy Chafee who voted v. the war from the beginning. Yes, he voted v. it from the beginning. Something your democratic candidates John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden can’t say. And explain to me why it was okay to deny as distinguished a man and lifelong democrat as Bob Casey his right to speak and be heard just because his abortion view wasn’t the same as the feminists? What happened to Freedom of Speech?
By Captain Freedom
September 14, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Today you claim you would never be a sugar daddy, yet yesterday you noted that your $4500 mortgage was at your wife’s insistence, and you are grateful for an occasional bj and bottle of scotch in return. I hate to point out a contradiction from a solid True Believer like yourself, but what gives?
The Captain is a good Conservative (one of the best, in fact), and he is unashamed to admit that he cries during sex. It usually starts right after Mrs. Freedom yells, “this is pointless!!!”
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
John
despite your polite awkward questions maggot brain as he’s affectionately known on here, after all his lies, abuse and leftist drivel will not answer you honestly or properly. you pose the kinds of questions I and several others have posed to him often before - and the answers were lame and extremely evasive.
he used to claim to merely be an ordinary american with NO political affiliation - that’s been ruthlessly exposed as a complete moveon.org lie.
By JK
September 14, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
john, may I interject? The PEOPLE of Connecticut elect their Senators. Are you saying the people no longer have the right to elect the Senators of their choosing?
When Lieberman lost his primary, HE decided he was no longer a Democrat. BTW, I’ve read from several sources that Republican money was funneled to Lieberman’s campaign. If I were a Democrat in Connecticut, I might just choose to vote for the other guy.
John, why do you hate Democracy?
By @@
September 14, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
Middle America:
No HEMI.
No HEMI.
No HEMI.
No HEMI.
A four-cylinder. Some liberalism lingers still.;-)
By Dana
September 14, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
LMFAO…. Been too busy today and I’m only here for a moment, but Captain - THAT was priceless!!!!!
C’mon folks - it is BEAUTIFUL outside - dont waste it online!!! Go home as soon as you can - relax, take a deep breath (and combine your prayers that Realist gets a little tonight…)
By Captain Freedom
September 14, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
Dana,
The Captain appreciates your appreciation, even though the source is a liberal not-a-man person.
By JK
September 14, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
Haha! You’re so right, Dana! (But our bosses think we’re still working.) BTW, I hope he at least gets a good single-malt like MacCallan 18, and not some awful Dewar’s. HAHAHA!
By CJ
September 14, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
TFTT -
In reply to your @4:41, I beg to differ. You clearly wrote “jbm’s bluff” in your @4:09 post. Take a look.
The relevence of jbmlaw’s pedigree was thoroughly discussed yesterday afternoon. It’s still online if you want to go back and review.
Having said that - I’m no longer concerned. Again, you guys brought it up again today, so I only wanted to help.
TFTT - no need to shout (with the capital letters). Nobody shouted when jbmlaw didn’t respond to TA’s question yesterday (again - it’s still up for your perusal).
Alright buddy.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this
lil john,
Joe should have taken his loss like a man and bowed out gracefully.
Instead, he has joined with Rove and the gop to try to stay in office.
There are many like Joe who should go and nobody likes a sore loser.
Right “lies”?
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
Wow. Blogger john makes no less than three direct entries to liberal bloggers on this board about their stances, and nobody has had the kahunas to come back with some answers, especially gitmolife.
What happened liberal ladies, got a hairlip?
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
CJ
you anal pedantry is unsurprising - you’re not Crapman is disguise are you? - he tried the same kind of shameless dishonesty yesterday - different topic.
if you were “only trying to help” then why actually offer $20 and stir the pot some more! methinks thou dost protest your lack of anal retentiveness too loudly!!
By @@
September 14, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
Just for clarification. My name was jacked at 1:18.
I wonder who????
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
told you John … maggot brain has NO intellectual honesty at all!!
By getalife
September 14, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this
Hey macaca,
Mommy said you could play on the computer again.
It seems lil john has cut and ran.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
Which part was not honest lies?
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Part of today’s topic from a liberal perspective was how the Republicans were exclusive of those that don’t toe the party line 100%, and that Democrats are more “diverse” in ideology. John’s 4:43 post sums it up nicely that it’s really the modern liberal DEMOCRAT party that’s the party of intolerance. Just see Jimmy Carter’s mentality on the “moderate” issue in democratic politics.
Hell all you have to do is look on this blog and see how the left get’s their pretty pink panties in a collective wet wad that there are even CONSERVATIVES on this blog, as if we’re trying to TAKE OVER THE BLOG WORLD or something! They can’t stand the very idea that this blog is here giving a voice for those they don’t agree with. I called this a month ago, and over the last two days or so, the rancid hostility from the left has escalated. Especially from those ghost liberals who start out their posts with “I’m no liberal or democrat, but…”
Liberals and the jackass left are the TRUE party of intolerance of diversity… of opinion.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
The truth does have a liberal bias because the wingnuts lie and spin the propaganda.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Uh-oh. It looks like gitmolife the hairlip slip show is having a brainwave meltdown and can’t answer questions posted to it. Folks, this is why you should not waste time with gitmolife. Been there and done that. Worthy only of a good original insult.
By Offended
September 14, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
You flatter yourself, Markus, and you use vulgar metaphors to do so. Of all the objectionable thoughts and language here, yours takes the top spot in both. Go home. No one cares that your enraged dirty mind is picturing us in our underwear.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
Hey multiple ID clown-
You fool nobody. You want VULGAR you jackass? Go visit democraticunderground.com, you freakshow of liberal pornography ideology.
You WILL NOT shut up the Conservative voice, no matter HOW hard you try, liberal pig.
By Fuzzy Bunny
September 14, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
Somebody needs a wittow huggie wuggie!
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this
the dishonest bit maggot brain was where you UTTERLY FAILEF to address John’s excellent awkward questions - as per usual … and where you as ever refuse to admit you are a far left moveon.org type of mentally constipated pinko vulture with a deep fear of truth/logic and conservative integrity!!
NOW SOD OFF!! …smirk
By Ugotta B. Kidding
September 14, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this
Hey Dana: Please pray for me also!!! (wink, wink)
Offended: I’m OFFENDED! I’ve worked mighty hard to have the “top spot” in objectionable thoughts and language and by God I think I’ve earned it. LOL
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Hanoi Jane and other female feminazi bedwetters like Gloria Steinem to start their own radio talk show. Oh this should be good. What should we call this new show?
“The Firing Seat?” Jane’s pick for sure… heh.
http://newsbusters.org/node/7574
By @@
September 14, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Markus:
I would have to agree with your 5:29 post. As a moderate conservative, I rarely make more than one post here. Never really interact unless invited, and I’m unable to do that because of my schedule.
But as my name was jacked at 1:18 (by a liberal) and I’m seeing numerous deragatory references towards me, it’s clear that the liberal objective is destruction towards all conservative visitors, regardless of how often or infrequent they might visit here.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
looks like rednekkks NAMBLA is back from its walk in the AZ desert and the rattler did its job and bit the reptilian leftist!!!
hold off on the anti-venom serum for 48 hours rednekkks … it’ll be ok!! I promise!!
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this
09/14/06 5:47PM-
“Captain’s log entry #226 of where a jackass liberal can’t answer direct questions asked of it and runs and hides under other aliases.”
By CJ
September 14, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
TFTT @5:21 – I’m afraid I don’t know any “Crapman”, and I’m not clear on what “shameless dishonesty” you’re referring to.
You confuse me, my man. In the first paragraph you tell me I’m anal, but in the second paragraph you tell me I’m not (don’t try to claim otherwise).
I didn’t intend to stir any pots. You and jbmlaw seemed genuinely disappointed when you broached the subject earlier today, so I thought my counteroffer would make you both happy. I’m sorry it didn’t.
Do you suppose jbmlaw will be as upset as you are? I hope not.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
September 14, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
Hey Wednecks…Hope you didn’t get bit in a “really bad” place…cause ain’t nobody gonna suck the poison out!!! Not a conservative at least. It’s been “nice” knowing you.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
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Their hatred of us oozes like sludge. It’s obviously not obvious to them. That’s how deranged and wacko these kook fringe liberals are. Look at what they have been doing to law for crying out loud.
You have to watch your back around here. I’ll bet our resident ID thief gitmolife freaking RECORDS our postings for future reference should we “slip up.” “See, SEE! GOTCHA! LIAR! YOU SAID THIS THEN…”
You think I’m joking? I’ve been dealing with these jackasses for almost 15 years. They’re all the same predictable jackasses.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
CJ
more dishonest anal bollocks form you - anbd you cant even recognise sarcasm …
Now why the hell is this drivel about jbm being a lawyer so important to you??
jbm and I were gently laughing at the sad twonks like you who were so obsessed yesterday by something of NO consequence!!
By Captain Freedom
September 14, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this
Freinds in True Belief -
This is not for the bedwetters among you. This is only for real Americans.
Friends, I say this with as much compassionate conservatism as I can muster…Markus, you are not funny. Please leave the witty repartee to professionals. You do a fine job of upholding the True Beleif through your trenchant and well-documented argumentation, despite your suspiciously foreign-sounding name. But you are just not amusing. Star Trek satire should fall away in a normally developing male at around age 19…24 tops. Reaching into that basket is not only unfunny, it is really pathetic, making your the Comic Book Guy of the Wooten Blog.
Granted, next to the woeful truth teller, you are a riot of belly laughs. It is clear daily that ‘truth’ is about as conservative as he is British, i.e. not so much. His writing is poor, his invective uncreative garbage, and his groos caricature of conservative belief is clearly designed to undermine the efforts of True Right Thinkers like BM Law, Mr Wooten and myself.
I chastise you in sadness, sir, for you are a Patriot fully ensconced in that refuge. Godspeed, good Knight, but please, stick to your dayjob.
By Markus
September 14, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this
Private Freeloader to the rescue! Sorry pal, you won’t shut me up or make me feel bad either. I don’t CARE what bloggers think here about “me” as an anonymous blogger. Really.
Try another time, private freeloader.
By Captain Freedom
September 14, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this
Friends, I was mistaken.
Markus is clearly a razor-sharp wit, as proved by his witty comeback at 5:58. He’s clearly more than a match for me.
By jbmlaw
September 14, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
CJ @ 3:39, I am certain your privacy is worth no more than $20 to you. I value mine more.
Nevertheless, I am inclined to sweeten the deal for the officious liars among us. The price is the same, but no apology is required for the brainless lies, no recriminations for your return to the website (although, no free pass either), and I treat you and Wooten to lunch, at the Bistro of your choice.
By CJ
September 14, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
TFTT @5:53 PM
Oh — you were laughing. I must have misunderstood.
About your question. I believe it was asked and answered (see my @5:06 PM post). I have to say, I’m genuninely concerned about you. Your short-term memory seems to be struggling.
Hey man - have a great night.
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
L/Cpl Syphilis is clearly at the latter stages of the disease.
Clearly there is a need for an immediate braintransplant for the Lance Corporal as the virulent syphilis has now rotted away the remaining pee sized area that was almost still functioning normally until a few days ago.
To effect the most humane outcome of all L/Cpl Syphilis needs to go swimming with a large number of angry stingrays until they finish the job and put us all out our cyber misery!!
By time for the truth
September 14, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
L/Cpl Syphilis is clearly at the latter stages of the disease.
Clearly there is a need for an immediate braintransplant for the Lance Corporal as the virulent syphilis has now rotted away the remaining pee sized area that was almost still functioning normally until a few days ago.
To effect the most humane outcome of all L/Cpl Syphilis needs to go swimming with a large number of angry stingrays until they finish the job and put us all out our cyber misery!!
By Markus
September 14, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this
Oh, and private freeloader, I’m no major Trekee fan (Star Wars, now you’re talking), but if you think they only represent 19-25 year olds you don’t get out much.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
September 14, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this
Spent a few days in and around your city over the past week. Like always, I enjoyed my visit, BUT was glad to get back home to “civilization”. I don’t know how y’all can tolerate all the people and especially the traffic DAILY. Y’all don’t have ENOUGH MONEY for me to live in that mess. “Keep Atlanta, just give me a country home”… Da da da da da…da da!
By Barbara
September 14, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this
Why Captain! I’ve always been a fan. Especially after learning we go to the same Starbucks (Woodstock). You certainly have great wit. But don’t be ‘dissin on my Markus or TFTT. They are fine conservatives and funny too. I give you more points for outright funny, belly-laughing humor, but theirs is more dry-wit, subtle, etc. I like dry humor - it’s more thought provoking.
And btw, Star Trek references should continue until death!