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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s free-for-all Friday. Pick a topic:
• Show me a Southerner, governor or not, who won’t buy the adjoining dirt and I’ll show you one who’s broke. Gov. Sonny Perdue bought about 100 acres next to his Houston County home in 2004. What does that tell us? That he wasn’t broke. Nothing more.
• Don’t back down. Voter ID is a legitimate requirement. No matter the delays partisans entice from judges, the state should persist until all are swept aside.
• Some Christian conservatives, upset about what their children are being taught, flee public schools. That shouldn’t be necessary. Every classroom should be broadcast over the Internet for parents or anybody else. There’d certainly be far less temptation to preach to children values that are at odds with their parents’.
• Another sad Katrina legacy: Every tropical storm now is a major preoccupation.
• I’m embarrassed to say: I don’t have an opinion about Michael Vick. I’m told everybody does. I do have an opinion about Fulton Sheriff Myron Freeman. That guy can flat pass the ball.
• Most every report I read about that originates with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta sounds like something that could have come out of a blue-state liberal arts college. The latest examines radio advertising by the alcohol industry. The nanny state has finger-pointers aplenty. Chart disease, not radio airplay.
• Notice to Atlanta panhandlers: Don’t expect handouts from liberals in November. They’ll all be tapped out. Tickets to the Barbra Streisand performance here on Nov. 2 cost up to $752. Or up to $5,000 per person for VIP packages. Surely there’s a federal program available that buys tickets for the homeless.
• Dang straight. The place to find oil is where geologists believe it to be, as demonstrated by this week’s revelation that Chevron and two partners had discovered what could be the biggest oil find since Prudhoe Bay in Alaska almost 40 years ago. Open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, too.
• Want to frighten the children? Tell them, as the Wall Street Journal did, who’ll be running the U.S. House if Democrats take it over in November. There’s Speaker Nancy Pelosi and a cast of characters that includes a tax committee chairman, Charles Rangel, who opposed President Bush’s tax cuts, a possible intelligence committee chairman, Alcee Hastings, who as a federal judge was impeached and convicted of lying to beat a bribery charge, and a Judiciary Committee chairman, John Conyers, who looks to impeach President Bush.
• The telling number about Georgia Power Co.’s so-called “green energy” offering is how many liberals sign up. It costs more to produce, so the price is higher. The company estimates that 0.4 percent of its customers will sign up; nationally, it’s about 1.5 percent. Liberals want companies to embrace their environmental agendas — on your dollar. They don’t want to pay extra themselves.
• Here’s a sign-off for CBS’ new anchor: “Thanks for watching our opinion of the news. I’m Katie Couric. Good night.” Simple, honest.
• MARTA has two finalists for its top job. One guy, Richard McCrillis, is here — and even Ernie Brooks, president of MARTA’s union, likes him. I favor getting good people, bringing them along and leaving them alone. That would draw me to MARTA veteran McCrillis, who has a degree in mathematics and believes in piggy banking the profits. Besides, the other guy’s boss says it “would be a tragic loss to Los Angeles” to lose him. Some praise is a bit too much.
• Duh. Catch-and-release, a border security practice applied to non-Mexicans, is being discontinued. Mexicans could be returned immediately. Non-Mexicans were detained, given a court date and released. Most vanished into the U.S. population. Now they’re detained. Enforcement messages matter. For the three-month period ending Aug. 6, the number of non-Mexicans detained was 1,661, down from 10,621 during the same period last year.
• Now we know where Cynthia McKinney got it. The wackiness. In Japan. An exhibit in the national military museum there accuses FDR of engineering war with Japan to strengthen the U.S. economy following the failure of his New Deal, reports the Financial Times. After objection from a Japanese political commentator, it’s being removed.
Comments
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
In one of your items for this morning’s “THINKING RIGHT”, you stated in part:
“Every classroom should be broadcast over the Internet for parents or anybody else.”
Excellent idea!
Wonderful idea!
Teachers would love it!
Not only could we monitor any indoctrinations that teachers might be tempted to foster upon their students, but we could see for ourselves if teachers are “teaching.” This should settle, once and for all the issue of “teacher accountability.” I suspect the “arm chair teaching experts” would come to realize that what teachers do is not as easy as the “educational reformists” (most of who could not last in a public school classroom for 15 minutes) would have us believe.
Most important, such a broadcast would disarm the ranting “irrational” parent whose child NEVER would do anything wrong and, IF they did, it must have been caused by something the teacher did.
What a great way to hold these parents accountable for their spawn.
Can we get the cameras installed by Christmas?
Not a chance…the “irrational” parents would have apoplexy…such an act would violate their rights…their rights to be a royal pain in the a** to the rest of us.
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this
“This is Katie Courik, and THAT’S why we should cut-and-run…” (Perfect signoff for The Face. Gadzooks I hate Katie. Cant we do anything as a society, right and left joined together, and rid ourselves of her? I’ll vote straight Republican for the next ten elections, I swear, if you across the aisle will aid me in my quest to rid myself of The Face. Begging here).
If we let Christian conservatives teach our children, then there’s be no geologists looking for fossil fuels, which couldn’t exist because they require more than 6K years to foment. Didn’t they find oil in Katie Courik’s colon? Cant we drill there? Gadzooks I hate Katie Courik.
Bush knows where to wildcat for oil: Iraq!
Celebrity Duet: Barbara Steisland and Cynthis McKinney. What song did you choose, Bar? “Somewhere”. Well, forget pluto, and neither of you are from venus, so how about far far away????
Does anyone else get depressed when a hurricane gets downgraded to a tropical storm?
Gadz I hate Katie Courik. I hate Dan Rather worse, though, so, I guess the two cancel each other out, and I’m okay, no, I’m fine, really, I’m good, I can take it……
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
Mid south came out swinging this morning. My analysis of his comment? I would say that Mid South isn’t getting enough fiber. Simply add some Scottish Oatmeal in the AM (Stupid Oprah diet tricks), and his comments will be perfect.
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
Cameras in the schools? If you outlaw, in part, privacy, then only outlaws will have private parts…..ew.
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this
Is it me or do they zoom in a lot closer on Katie’s Face than any other anchor in history? They are milking this whole celebrity news advertising bonanza thingy.
I cry at night……
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
If you hate Katie so much, what are doing watching her?
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
I could use something “Scottish” this morning, Two Scoops, but it would need to be a little more “fluid” than Oatmeal!
Just heard a “troops to teachers” commercial on public radio…maybe we are headed in the right direction after all!
By Honest Abe
September 8, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
Interesting to note that christian conservatives don’t want anything taught that might be different than their values - and people say their close-minded. What’s bad about introducing different ideas and letting people come to their own idealogical beliefs instead of forcing one set of ideas on them? I think it has to do with control. Keep those blinders on and we can alwas control you. Fear the Devil! For free thought and others who don’t think like you!
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. How about, “I’m Katie Couric, and you’re not. Good night.”
On Katrina, the “Vent” published my submission a couple of weeks ago: “The total absence of hurricanes this year proves we have entered an extended period of global cooling. We need higher polluting vehicles immediately.”
I like the idea of the television cameras in the classroom, for an abundance of reasons. Shouldn’t they be attached to some recording device also, for archives?
Read the WSJ editorial on the cast of kooks prepared to take over the house; their article was scary, but Jim’s short version is almost funny. These are the best the Dems have? I cannot believe any leftist can (with a straight face) call Bush “dumb,” or Cheney “corrupt” after looking over the Dem leadership.
Also, isn’t it time for Cynthia Tucker to apologize to Karl Rove, for her false allegations? O’Reilly is having a field day with her integrity.
By Harold
September 8, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
Harold feels certain Wooten has the support of the child molestors’ assocation for his “webcams in all classrooms” concept.
By Honest Abe
September 8, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this
I also notice how Jim always takes cheap shots - mentions Cynthia Mckinney in a segment that has no relevance to her - just use it as an opportunity to take a dig at her.
Real old school southern gentleman that Jim is!
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this
What? Law got published in the vent?
Lucky Skunk!!!!!
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
Reason for this year’s soaring gas prices: Was bush or god punishing us for criticizing the war effort in Iraq? Or are they the same thing, considering that bush is born again, and god did tell him to invade Iraq on a holy crusade…..We liberals have only one word to cry: UNCLE!
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Honest Abe..I noticed the McKinney dig also. She has nothing to do with a Japanese exhibit, but hey, guess he had to get his “McKinney insult” fix in. And Wooten, kids won’t be afraid of Rangel. Even 8 year olds know you don’t give tax breaks to the rich during a time of war. And just who should pay for these cameras and technology that will broadcast all classes over the internet? My God, you’re not suggesting we should raise taxes to do that!
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Kudos to Mid south for breaking the record for the earliest mention of miller time on a friday…..scottish (fluid)….only three hours to go till miller time, folks…..just kidding. (wink)
By Brian Curtis
September 8, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
Notice to Atlanta panhandlers: Don’t expect anything from so-called Christian conservatives, ever. These followers of Christ want nothing to do with “helping the poor” or that other nonsense Jesus used to babble about.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
If you want to educate yourself about everything that is going on , Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) gave an excellent summation of current events on C-Span yesterday.
No spin, just the facts and I could not believe a Republican was telling it like it is. He pulled no punches and stated the neocon failures. His conclusions are the same as mine because it is the truth.
Also, The Dems introduced the security act. It is not just rhetoric, it is an actual plan. Clinton and the Dems introduced it yesterday and she stood out among the best of the Dems. Check out Kerry on Hardball last night and he is bashing w like he has never before. The Dems have grown a spine.
By sct
September 8, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
Cynthia McKinney???? Barbra Streisand???
Not one mention of WWIII? No updates? You would think that with WWIII raging out of control there just might be a mention of it.
What happened to WWIII? I guess conservatives are busy preparing for the return of the war on Christmas.
Happy Holidays.
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten likes to “catch and release” Cynthia Mckinney for the entertainment of us all. She’s a bonanza of material, and he’s right to keep her around on slow news days. Thank you, Mr. Wooten.
By Liberal
September 8, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this
Yesterday, Bush called himself the “educator in chief”. I haven’t been able to stop laughing since the 6’o clock news last night.
By Two Scoops
September 8, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this
Are suggesting, sir, that THE great ideological struggle is whether a manger belongs in front of the courthouse? (a rumpa pum pum)
By sct
September 8, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
Educator in chief? Another Bush lie. More like “educator in co-chief.” Bush and his NCLB buddy Teddy Kennedy are the co-chiefs in education.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
Brian Curtis @ 8:51, you are going to the wrong church. You have a grave misconception about people of faith.
Honest Abe @ 8:40, the flip side of your bumber sticker reads, “Interesting to note that leftists want to compel teaching the children of Christian concervative matters that are opposed to the parents’ values - and leftists say they’re open-minded.”
By Harold
September 8, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this
Harold says Georgia Power Co has their own opinion about “Green Energy.”
Fact is, green energy costs less, not more.
Legitimate green energy is available out in Seattle where electric bills are about $20 or $30 every TWO months rather than Georgia Power’s $200 or $300 every month.
Harold feels that Georgia Power has been extorting Georgians for decades.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this
Two scoops @ 9:00, you mean “whether the all powerful state can tolerate a creche on the public square?”
By Bo
September 8, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
I’m sick of the Katrina anniversary news; get it over people, get a job, move on. Besides your city was a cess pool of crime, corruption and welfare to start with.It’s probably more crime free today than it’s been in decades, but…you can’t say th same for Houston, Texas. You re-elected your Mayor Nagin, so you get what you deserve the next time a storm comes in, and yes, the same idiots will be sitting on the roof waiting on the government to save them. Barbara Streisand? Is that old hag still alive? Who cares about her? Cynthia Mckinney, going to sue again and going to lose her court battle, again. Get a real job bug-eyes, no more of my tax dollars for your crazy ghetto azz. Voter ID cards? You bet!! Maybe we’ll get a fair election in DeKald County for once. Who is Dekalb going to pick for their new Chief of Police? Vernon is scratching his head wondering how he can get a black face in that slot and still pretend like he is any where near qualified for the job he is in, but then again, it’s DeKalb County, do the math.
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Let’s put cameras in the oval office to broadcast over the internet. I’m sure it would be very similar to observing a 3rd grade class in Cumming.
By Liberal
September 8, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Bo,
That’s right. If a black man is hired for the position of police chief, he is automatically under qualified. The way you complain about blacks, you might as well move to Idaho.
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
September 8, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
Contrats on your ability to contiually pick easy and emotional issues to wind up the masses with. I especially love that tired liberal media stuff.
But I’m still really interested in hearing how free markets protected consumer interest up in Alaska with regards to BP.
You know, about how BP was incentivized by the “invisible hand” to keep up their infrastructure so that they would not be punished by the market if they didn’t live up to it’s expecations. About how regulations are an unecessary burden to oil producers. About how environmentalists are just looking out for themselves and how oil never spoils the ground up there.
Really. Let’s hear it.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Jim will almost certainly sponsor a question Monday on the fifth anniversary. To get a leg up, urge all to read Peggy Noonan’s moving essay today, http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110008909
By Grim Reaper
September 8, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Law, explore with me: Lets say Osama was found not guilty and awarded a US citizenship by a jury of liberals (like O.J.), in New York, and free to walk around the US.
Then lets say Osama filed a law suit to allow a figurine display of his favorite man/god’s birth-goat and accompanying saints and assorted sacred cows, to be placed on the courthouse steps…..do you as an american have any problem with the liberal judge who denied Osama’s appeal?
By Harold
September 8, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Harold is very excited about the Gulf of Mexico oil find! Now rather than birds in Alaska being covered in oil when the spills happen, it’ll be the whales sunning themselves at Panama City Beach who get the lube job.
Nothing better could happen for the Greenies than for the beachgoers along the FloriBama coast to get a good soaking of oil.
Of course, half of them are covered in oil already so they may not even notice.
By Watta Load
September 8, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim,
What time does the AJC web content guy get to work anyway?..your blogs are never up to date off the main opinion page..it takes me forever to find the current days blog…can you have a talk with the guy/gal?
And could you mention that the letters section is from yesterday.
thanks..
I guess I”m a conservative after all…I agree with everything you wrote today.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this
JaCP @ 9:15, I explained that to you last week. Are you just shopping economists until you get a hack to agree with you?
By sct
September 8, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
Maybe some cameras in the bedrooms of religious right leaders. We need to know which ‘position’ to take on the ‘sleeping’ issue.
All in the name of education and morals of course.
By Harold
September 8, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this
Harold says people in Idaho have no issues with black folk. Heck, most people in Idaho have never even seen black folk except for the doctors and lawyers who go skiing there!
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this
Grim Reaper @ 9:16, the court square belongs to all. Not exclusive. Everyone - including pagans, wiccans, Moslems, Buddhists - everyone should celebrate his faith publicly, on the court square.
Shunning belief is the central evil of our world. Let’s celebrate Grim Reaper’s beliefs, too!
Short answer to your question, yes, the appellate judge who denied the appeal of OBL wishing to put up a display, should be shot.
By Grim Reaper
September 8, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
Sorry, law, it’s just too painful to read about the people on the planes, I still cant handle it. Now I’m mad again, and furious with Rumsfeld for withholding US troops support from the initial CIA forray into Afghanistan at a time when Osmama and company were true sitting ducks. Sorry, he’s a traitor, and Bush needs to resign effective noon tomorrow, sorry, the whole episode makes me sick.
This is why we can never be friends, because it insults the memory of the US citizens on those planes.
By Liberal
September 8, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
Jim,
In regards to the finalists for the top job, anything that would be considered “a tragic loss for Los Angeles” sounds good to me. Talk about drama queen. And we all know that the public transport system in LA is so good…
By Bemused Humanist
September 8, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
Mr Wooten,
With regard to the voter ID law::
Is it not a greater evil to disenfranchise a sizeable number of the rural poor and elderly with this law rather than to allow some small amount of voter fraud — which, to my understanding, has not ever been proven to exist to any measurable degree? Clearly, the answer is yes, which means the true purpose of the law is to impede the franchise of people who do not vote for Republicans.
In which case, is it not ironic that you support the sending US troops to die for the right of Iraqis to vote while supporting the erosion of the right to vote in your own state?
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Bo @9:09….Can’t say the same for Houston Texas? Here’s some stats for you: Murder rates per 100,000 - National average 5.5, Houston 13.3 Robbery rates per 100,000 - National average 136.7, Houston 498.3 aggravated assault - National 291.1, Houston 590.4 Burglaries - National 729.9, Houston 1,326.7 Car thefts - National 421.3, Houston 1,055.2 I could go on and on. These are 2004 figures. What would make you think Houston would be such a squeeky clean city? Guess you thought Bush’s “compassionate conservative values” had rubbed off while he’s in the state clearing brush for 6 weeks.
By Grim Reaper
September 8, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
Law brings up another great issue about free speech during the war on terror. Now the adminstration has set up internet word search screens for “shoot the judge” type terrorists suggestions, and should Law now be held accountable for distracting the resources that right now are searching for cells via those types of phrases??
I say yes. I would suggest Judge Roy Bean to preside over Law’s trial.
(Suddenly Law is a liberal)
By Barbara
September 8, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
@Bo 9:09, damn straight brother! @Jmblaw 9:16, Thanks buddy. Now I can’t see because the tears protein screwed up my contacts! But great reminder of the spirit of the real human. Also, you’re right on at 9:04. Poor Brian needs to find a better church.
@Whatta load 9:17, I can’t help you with the other columns (like the daily letter you mention), but if you go to ajc.com, main page, and pick the “pull down” menu for Opinion, then click on Jim, it always takes you right to the current story. I had the same problem as you going from different areas but this way always takes me right to the current column.
To all citicizing Jim’s topics, it’s his column. He can write about whatever he wants. If you don’t like it, I think Jmblaw posted the Barney and Friends blog sight for you yesterday. And Cynthia McKinney is going to be fair game for conservatives for the rest of her life! Deal with it. Live with the shame. We had to live with the shame of Jesse Helms until he kicked it, so you’ve got your Cynthia cross to bear too.
Jim, I really enjoyed your ideas this morning. You’re in a whacky mood today (smile). Specifically you are right on about voter ID. If you don’t have it you shouldn’t get to vote. Period. Don’t care about the whiney stories of “poor old grandpa doesn’t have a license”. If you really care about poor old grandpa, keep his license for him and drive him to the polls. It’s not like we have to vote every day! And loved the CBS sign-off. Perfect!
Oh, TFTT, sorry I missed your shout out yesterday. I was driving home when you posted and took the dogs for a walk at home. Once I got to sit down and read the posting was closed. Keep fighting the good fight brother!
By Grim Reaper
September 8, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
zzzzz
By sct
September 8, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Jim didn’t that “LA Guy” also head the Orange County Transit authority before LA? During his tenure in OC didn’t he have something to do with that private 91 Freeway project you were touting a week or 2 ago? You know the one that you forgot to say went bankrupt.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Sick Wille the perjuring sexual predator and his knuckle dragging crew of sexual harassment enablers and document stealers has intimidated the vile anti-Bush leftists at ABC into dropping a more accurate account of his failure to get bin laden … funny how the smug leftists never object when the media lies and distorts anything about conservatives.
I wouldn’t even cross the street to see the extremely dim and stupid pinko hag Big Nose Streisand screech its way through a disgusting array of showtunes and middle of the road pap!! At least this vile noise pollution will cost liberals even more than the grasping Rolling Stones demanded.
Great post Bo.
Funny how the very nastiest of liberals wont protect children in their states from sexual predators and child porn. VT, CA, HI, NY and others have weak laws or very weak laws for child sexual abuse that are arbitrarily applied by sick leftist judges. Yet these same vile leftists demand murderous terrorists have full and complete legal protections and demand that Bush stop life saving surveillance of overseas call patterns cease solely because of their pathetic obsession with Bush hatred.
McKinney has very wisely slithered out of sight since it’s anti-semitic hateful absurd racist hairdo was beaten by the pretty dim inarticulate replacement whose name and fate no one really cares about now.
None of the the gutless lefties, including C Tucker have apologised to Rove for their lies and spiteful McCarthyite witchunt over the non-story of some leftist trollope whose neighbours all knew she was a CIA tea lady. I guess their utter lack of intellectual integrity is more important to them than the FACTS!!
By sct
September 8, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Oh my God!!!! FoxNews is reporting that Katie Couric had 2 eggs and an English muffin for breakfast this morning! With juice AND coffee.
By Captain Freedom
September 8, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
Hello Jim -
The idea of conducting school via the Internets is a salutary notion. Just think…legions of kids being groomed for the 101st Fighting Keyboard Brigade, safely sheltered from the corrupting ideas and facts bandied about by the liberal bedwetters and sob sisters. Jim, you and Markus and I cannot continue to bear the brunt of liberal blog shrapnel forever. We need new recruits to back up our efforts in support of True Conservative Belief. Notice I do not suggest we need new ideas. That would be silly.
As for the Wall Street Journal, kudos for pointing out yet another gem from the brilliant and completely sane Peggy Noonan. I realize many believe the Nooner is a bit out to lunch, what with her discussion of magic dolphins during the Elian Gonzales affair (damn you to Hell, Janet Reno!!!), but she is in fact among the more clear-headed of the Conservative Commentariat.
But of far greater concern than the Ms. Noonan (god bless her lonely soul) is the wretched screed written by Newt Gingrich. Yes it’s true, the man we once looked to as Presidential Timber is revealed as nothing more than a revsionist toothpick.
In his column yesterday, the Newt followed the lead of the Pigmented Secretary Of State Rice in drawing moral equivalence between al Queda and the Confederacy of Southern States. This kind of moral relatvism is unacceptable! Our great Confederate Forefathers (and Mothers) fought to protect the rights of White Christian Males from the pollution of Federalism and Mongrel Races. That Newt (who is actually from Pennsylvania, you know, say no more) would have the nerve to compare those hairy towel head bandits of al Queda to our Noble and Godly Forefathers is naked bigotry of the worst kind.
Finally, for indeed the Captain must soon depart to toil for his daily bread (unlike some of the perpetual lurkers here who seem to not have jobs — Hello, Mr. Truth!), the Captain wonders why Mr. Wooten insists upon thrashing Cynthia Tucker McKinney so often in his column. While she is certainly worthy of your Unpigmented Manly Scorn, isn’t there some kind of rule at the AJC about beating up on your colleagues this way? It can’t good for office morale. I’m just sayin…
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 8, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Poor Annie Wooten. S/he has to use “Cynthia McKinney” because the boss won’t let him use the n-word.
By Honest Abe
September 8, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Also, how can Jim propose cameras in every classroom to ensure nothing non-christian is taught than several lines later complain about the “nanny state?”
How can one twist their brain so much as to want to implement the very thing they say their party is against?
It’s quite frightenting when ones so-called “core values” are easily dismissed when it fits their agenda.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Lance Corporal Syphilis aka rednekkks vermin
your mongrel dumbarse needs to get back to work and feed a couple of thousand chickens!!
I see rednekkks vermin is still abusing blacks on here by vilely slipping the n-word into a post - you racist LIBERAL PIG!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 8, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Poor Annie Wooten. Having to deal with all the AJC’s PC crowd.
“Eenie meanie, miny mo. Catch a Cynthia McKinney by the toe” just doesn’t have the same ring to it. Ms. Tucker - can’t you give the Woo-ten KKKlan folks a break?
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
alright Barbara?
I am naturally assuming rednekkks can’t get a free state voter id card because of the mental health stautes in GA. Which explains its bitterness. It wont be able to waste a vote on that obese slimy barsteward Taylor who is going to be easily hammered by Perdue in Novemeber.
By sct
September 8, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Cameras in the classroom will be needed to monitor the “Bible studies” instruction Georgia lawmakers voted in.
You know a lot of schools will go too far with that one. Yes to the cameras.
By MELO
September 8, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
“Here’s a sign-off for CBS’ new anchor: “Thanks for watching our opinion of the news. I’m Katie Couric. Good night.” Simple, honest.”-Jim
I thought i was the only liberal watching Katie!As it turns out, so was Jim. We know pretty faces and sex sell and conservatives love “nice” “lovely t’ings” too, but dont say it loud!!
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
racist rednekkks
is showing its true nature this morning!!
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Bemused Humanist @ 9:25, I think you look through the wrong end of the telescope. You affirm that the legislature is incompetent to set standards of proof for voting, because a court infers that disenfranchisement will happen? Courts should not rule on political controversies, but should disempower a legislature only after there is proof of injury. Courts should not inject themselves into political matters.
By Amelia
September 8, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
By Honest Abe
September 8, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Also, how can Jim propose cameras in every classroom to ensure nothing non-christian is taught than several lines later complain about the “nanny state?”
Once again Jim fails to remember what a large part of the problem the parents themselves are. Of course all that matters to Jim and his theocrat following is ideological indoctrination. Education really doesn’t matter does it Jim?
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Couric’s best sign off suggestion
I’m still incredibly envious of Monica Lewinsky!!
By Harold
September 8, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
Harold can’t wait to see them supple high school senior girls in their tight sweaters on teh internets! (the 18YO ones of course) Hope them webcams are hi-res!
The sexy ones might even gain some fans on teh school webcam site and then start their own webcam businesses on the side! They could start wearing logos on their tight sweaters to school advertising their own webcam sites.
This will be good for education AND the economy! Woooten for Governor! YEE HAW!
This way schools could pay for themselves and we can get rid of the devil’s lottery!
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Amelia @ 10:22, I cannot tell from your post whether you support the cameras idea or not. With cameras, the parents’ fears of indoctrination would seemingly be mooted (from the Leftist view) or confirmed (from the intelligent view.) Isn’t finality worth the investment?
By MCHammer
September 8, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Yeah buddy! If schools let some parents ideologies control the classroom it wouldn’t be long before the kids would be wearing robes and hoods in the classroom and burning crosses in the parking lot. Way to go Jim. You just proved once again as the lady above stated that it ain’t about education, but it’s the ideology that counts.
By Van
September 8, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Bemused Humanist
Voter fraud has been published in the AJC many times, and is documented. The problem is noone wants to do anything about it.
With the ability to commit voter fraud so easy to accomplish, I am suprised the lefties don’t want to make more laws to regulate it. THis appears to be one of the areas that the demo’s do not want to control.
By sct
September 8, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
I think the voter ID issue is way overblown.
Everyone knows the modern version of voter fraud is the absentee ballot. I’m using 912 of them this November alone.
By Brian Curtis
September 8, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
JBM: “Interesting to note that leftists want to compel teaching the children of Christian concervative matters that are opposed to the parents’ values - and leftists say they’re open-minded.”
You are aware that the purpose of educators is to educate, right?
Evolution is a verified fact, for example; if your “values” conflict with that, tough. Ditto for all races of humanity belonging to the same species, gays not being crazy, and women being able to do the same jobs men can.
If the Christofascists worry about what “values” the schools are teaching, maybe they should re-examine their own. Because bigotry isn’t a value and has no place in an educational environment… or anywhere else.
By Curious Observer
September 8, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
By all means let’s put school classes on the Internet so that we can be certain that kids learn only one way to think about issues. Let parents raise hell with teachers who stray from any kind of orthodoxy. In this way, Georgia can continue to turn out little dunderheads who will keep the state at the bottom of the educational and cultural ranks for the next 100 years.
And while we’re at it, let’s form an alliance with the Iranian leader who wants to purge colleges and schools of liberals and others who don’t buy into the conservative/reactionary way of thinking.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
Brian, you clearly define “educate” differently than I. Why does your definition exclude teaching “Kant” vs. “moral relativism” vs. Nietzsche? I think, objectively taught, reasonably intelligent creature choose Kant every time. Instead, you determine to control the agenda, to exclude the sensibilities of all others. That is why I use the term “leftist” as there is nothing liberal about such doctrinaire rigidity.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Brian, not only do you determine to control what is taught, but you also determine who is to teach it, and compel all of us to pay for it. Don’t you agree that vouchers would be a fairer way to set the agenda?
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
Curious, I understand you view that parents should meekly accept whatever the teachers dish out. That ensures the success of your indoctrination policies, as such is the only way you can control the next generation.
By Amelia
September 8, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
What I am trying to figure out jbmlaw is who gets to determine just WHAT these values are that are so opposed to those of the parents. The broadcast idea is probably one of the most moronic ideas I have heard in a long time. Schools would have to hire additional staff just to deal with the competing “value” systems of carping and complaining parents that objected to anything outside of THEIR ideology. School is not about political indoctrination or ideology. It is about learning! Ideas like that one would just turn school into another ideological battlefield instead of a place of learning. And furthermore, students who actually have the intelligence to figure things out for themselves will establish their own value system apart from parents, teachers, professors, etc. That is part of what we call growing up. The best thing that schools can do is EDUCATE and expose kids to numerous points of view and let them form their own worldview. Political prosletizing and indoctrination has NO place in the classroom from teachers or PARENTS!
By Captain Freedom
September 8, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Liberal bleeding hearts like to point to the 2000 Florida purge of felons from the voting rolls as an example of how the War on Voter Fraud is a conspiracy to “disenfranchise” the Pigmented population. In that case, hundreds of documented felons were voting illegally. The fact that tens of thousands of non-Felonious Pigmented voters were denied the vote is wrongly seen as a strike against this kind of enforcement. I say this….if tens of thousands of people have to lose their right to vote to ensure that Pigmented Felons are correctly kept from casting a ballot, then is proves to me that the system works. The people who were “wrongly” denied their vote served a greater good in sacrificing their rights to ensure the election of our God Ordained Leader.
It’s the kind of conspiracy tripe Cynthia Tucker McKinney puts in her column week after week. (See, Jim, I’m gonna take the heat off you by thrashing CTM for you. This keeps peace in the office, and puts her in her place, too. Win-win.)
And no, TFTT (what’s with the Clenis bj fixation anyway?), the CAPTAIN is not the redneck vermin. But you are wrong about so much, no wonder that you missed this one, too. Now, let fly with your Dorothy Parker-esque bon mots, your rapier-like comeback. I quake in anticipation of your slicing tongue (that you obviously wish to use a la Lewinsky).
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Amelia, you are partially right. The costs of providing a product minimally acceptable to parents are not $0, at least, not so long as a leftist agenda is taught. Vouchers would make the cost close to $0, however.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Amelia has an amusing final line, I wish to magnify in part: “Political prosletizing and indoctrination has NO place in the classroom from … PARENTS!”
I respectfully disagree. It is the parents’ job to raise up the children.
By Dana
September 8, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
hm. I actually liked the idea about cameras, but then MY thought was that I would better know how to CONTINUE my child’s education at home - I’d choose books to read based on his current studies, I could see where he excels and where he needs help, and, of course, I could address any disrespect or poor behavior immediately.
But then, I am a responsible parent.
In this day and time, I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone doesn’t have a photo id, or easy access to obtain one. I have NO issue whatsoever with requiring ID to vote.
JBM - thank you for sharing the link to Peggy Noonan’s essay.
By Captain Freedom
September 8, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
“Vouchers would make the cost close to $0, however.”
While I support the privatization of our indoctrination bodies through vouchers, even the Captain has enough math savvy to know that this comment is a howler.
By Van
September 8, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Regarding education,
Back when I was growing up, the schools taught out of text books. If the book said XYZ, then when the test came around the answer had better be XYZ. This was true in all classes, English, History, Math and the others.
How can ideaolgy be injected into Math? If a biology text books says intra species evolution goes on today, then where does the idology come in, unless the teachers unions press the teachers to disagree with the text books, or teachers take it upon themselves to invalidate the text books being used.
By Amelia
September 8, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Just what is the “leftist” agenda that you guys keep railing against jbmlaw. Is it anything left of the far right theocratic ideology? That seems to be precisely what is meant.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Captain, you critique fairly. My clipped language should have made it clear I was addressing the marginal costs cited by dear Amelia.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
lance corporal syphilis
the CAPTAIN is not the redneck vermin
LIAR
By oldpunk
September 8, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
Frighten the children? Tell them how much Bush’s tax cuts are going to cost them in increased interest payments, to say nothing of the crushing debt. That, plus the fact that Communist China will own their sorry butts. Yeah, that should do it.
Oh, and voter ID necessary? The cheaters will just vote absentee. There are NO controls for voting that way. Just what the Republicans want.
By Dusty
September 8, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
Sct,
Would you clarify your statement on voter fraud? You posted: “I’m using 912 of them (absentee ballots) this November alone.”
Do you have multiple personalities, a large family, lots of puppy dogs, a local cemetery or what? Just wondering.
By Typical Georgia Parent
September 8, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
Can I trade my kids’ school vouchers for crank?
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
Fair question Amelia @ 10:52, which I answered in small part with a personal story last week.
Consider these now-regular shots at the government schools as a declaration of war, against the lack of influence parents hold in the rearing of children. Government, under penalty of incarceration, compels attendance at government schools, where our religious beliefs are wholly dismissed, rather than integrated into our lives. Government schools have an institutional bias for moral relativism and against sound Kantian ethics. Government does not allow reasonable minds to differ. Unless or until there is a relief valve in the system, such as allowing parents to send their kids to schools more tolerant of celebrating “Christmas” by that name, the Leftists should anticipate rebellion from the disenfranchised parents.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
racebaiting moron Hammer
If schools let some parents ideologies control the classroom it wouldn’t be long before the kids would be wearing robes and hoods in the classroom and burning crosses in the parking lot
and other parents would be again pushing the ignorant backward racism of afrocentrism in the classroom.
I’ve never seen or heard about a school that actually allowed such overt despicable klan activity in the classroom/car park - but I guess to a knuckle dragging racebaiter such as yourself that minor factual problem wouldn’t really matter!! not even the racial spoils crowd ever spew such bollux - and if it had happened we’d be endlessly reminded about it!!
By Amelia
September 8, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
By Van
September 8, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Regarding education,
Back when I was growing up, the schools taught out of text books. If the book said XYZ, then when the test came around the answer had better be XYZ. This was true in all classes, English, History, Math and the others.
How can ideaolgy be injected into Math? If a biology text books says intra species evolution goes on today, then where does the idology come in, unless the teachers unions press the teachers to disagree with the text books, or teachers take it upon themselves to invalidate the text books
Van, I have a feeling that it would be the PARENTS trying to invalidate the text books. If I’m not mistaken that very thing happened in Cobb County. And if I am not mistaken again, don’t we elect folks that choose the texts? The only people that ever seem to object to the text chosen by those elected to those positions seem to be the parents from the theocratic right. No way, no how, should that vocal minority be allowed to determine what every student in this state should be taught.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Amelia @ 11:01, is it your opinion that parents who are out-voted should not be allowed to object to having their beliefs disparaged?
By Amelia
September 8, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
And just what beliefs are being disparaged jbmlaw? And seems to me that this state is now dominated by republicans. Sorry jbmlaw, but if the text chosen by a republican dominated political system don’t suit right wingers, they are too far out of the mainstream anyway. They have the choice to send their children somewhere that will give their child the education that they want them to have. Once AGAIN! The point of education is not to validate the beliefs parents, but to educate. Furthermore, teaching scientific fact or theory is not disparaging anyone’s belief.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Amelia raises a valid issue, on the whole evolution bruhaha. Evolution, or not, does not matter for 99.99% of the time for 99.99% of the population. I cannot remember the last time the presence or absence of evolution theory mattered in anything I was doing. Every school spends a couple of years in science classes teaching such useless material.
On the other hand, we all make ethical decisions every day. The most important education we ever obtain is the capacity to distinguish right and wrong. Government schools spend no time teaching that which is relevant and important, and spend millions teaching the useless and irrelevant. This is the leftist agenda.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 8, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Old-timey Georgia political slogans, updated:
“Keep those Cynthia McKinneys out of our schools and swimming pools”
“The good Christian people of Georgia will not be beholden to the Cynthia McKinney race”
“God wants Cynthia McKinneys and whites to be separate”
“My Cynthia McKinney-lovin’ opponent is a God damned librul”
and, the all time favorite for getting a crowd together
“HANG THAT CYNTHIA MCKINNEY”
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Amelia @ 11:14, “happy holidays” at your winter break.
By Redneck Convert
September 8, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
I like the idea of seeing the school on the PC. Like, the next time some guy cuts loose with a shotgun in the hallways, we won’t need the AJC to tell us what really happened. And when some janiter decides to make out with a school girl, we’ll know in advance wether she really said OK and is at least 11 and marrying age.
Course, I’ll only watch the classes up to the 5th grade, which all of you know I had trouble with.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
This is the speech by the Republican with no spin, only the truth
I have been reading both sides for many years, and this is the only politician who is telling the truth.
By Amelia
September 8, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw would you mind clarifying for us just what you mean by useless and irrelevant?
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Amelia @ 11:14, if I read your post correctly, you affirm that if a majority of parents vote for government officials to install texts teaching that the earth is flat, and the sky is purple, that nobody should be allowed to object? Or is it merely a matter of whose ox is Gored?
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Good question Amelia @ 11:21. How about evolution? When is the last time you used the theory of evolution to process the paper at your job?
By Captain Freedom
September 8, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
Thanks bmlaw. The Captain is nothing if not fair. Perhaps, more fair than many here might like. The Captain is certainly not a liar, though he did feel his lower lip quiver for a moment at the sting of this well-considered jape.
Amelia, irrelevant and useless refers to a silly theory that purports to tell me that I descended from a filthy stinking monkey. Nowhere in the Scripture is Adam (or the secondary Eve) referred to as simian. In fact, Adam is made in the Lord’s image. So these evolution pinkos want me to believe that my Lord is a damned ape. Useless and undermining of the established order, that’s what that is. No sir. The Captain is descended of pure White Christian Males and their bredding vassals. No apes here.
By Rod
September 8, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
Jim, you complain and gripe all the time about the high cost of education and you don’t want to pay anymore. Then today you state: “Every classroom should be broadcast over the Internet for parents or anybody else.”
Uh, that takes money - 100’s of millions to broadcast every classroom in every school in every county in the state.
If a Democrat had suggested it you’d be insulting him to high heaven!
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Amelia @ 11:21, to think on your question more broadly, perhaps a better question would be, “What is not useless or irrelevant?”
Grammar, vocabulary, paragraph and argument construction, mathematics (at least through calculus), ethics and logic, elocution and debate, perhaps foreign languages. Everything else is pretty much useless and irrelevant.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Captain, I am curious. How does it matter whether you are created or evolved? Nobody checked my pedigree this week.
By Richard
September 8, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
time for the truth = KKK
By Dana
September 8, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
I was going to stay out of this but JBM, I’m a bit confused.
As a parent, (and grandparent) I think teaching my children to distinguish right from wrong is MY job. As a deeply faithful person, I believe my children should be able to say Merry Christmas and Happy Easter at school, or anywhere else they like. I do happen to believe that evolution is a fact, and I actually don’t feel any conflict at all with my faith on that. I take my children to church and to Sunday School, as that is where I wish them to get the religious portion of their education.
I think I must be missing something in your posts, because though we may not always agree, I tend to find you one of the more intelligent posters in here and I’m having trouble with your line of thought today.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
Addition to my 11:31, maybe basic chemistry and physics are useful for the average person (enables us to understand modern pharmacology and car wrecks.)
By Bo
September 8, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Hey MCHammer, the throw back jersey’s, the $300.00 tennis shoes, but no books at home, the FUBU brands…that is your kids hood and sheet, it’s all about the same. And Reddnek-Al Queda…you have so many great ideas for white people, how about you convince black women to get a husband by the 5th child, that may help your race too, and mine, less crime…nah, that’s a dream, I watch the news.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Dana, I agree with every word of your 11:35 post. I believe the government should facilitate your beliefs by allowing you to select instructors or schools compatible with your beliefs. I believe the government should not oppose your beliefs.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Dana, lest I confuse, I also assume the legitimacy of evolution. I simply believe that, legitimate or not, evolution has no relevance to anything any of us ever do outside the classroom. Thus, useless and irrelevant. My objection is to waste.
By Captain Freedom
September 8, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
BM law,
Evolution is a problem because it is heretical and blasphenous in that it equates our Lord with an ape.
It is equally as blasphemous as denying the biblical injunctions against abortion, Homofascists, and the estate tax.
But, in the interest of comity, I applaud your list of approved subjects. It’s about time we recognized the utter waste of time that is literature, music and art. These abominations merely teach our young ones to think critically and to embrace new ideas. No good can come of it.
By MrLiberty
September 8, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
Obviously Mr Wooten hasn’t bothered to study the failure that is government schooling enough to realize that intelligent parents who want their children to get a good education DO IN FACT have to remove them from the schools. How exactly is televising the class going to make a difference? Test scores, dropout rates, the disgustingly low SAT scores among education majors and every other objective indicator are out there every day for everyone to see and yet nothing ever changes.
It isn’t secular versus religious indoctrination that parents need to be afraid of in government schools. The very nature of government schools is the culture of domination and destruction of the individual. They are set up to separate everyone by grade, age, performance level, etc. so that we all don’t get along. We become easier to oppress when we are divided. They beat down the individual spirit to achieve compliance and obedience either through policy or drugs like Ritalin and Prozac. Once compliant, they indoctrinate the kids with government approved versions of history, new fangled ways of “learning” math, reading, etc. None of this is going to change with a camera in the teacher’s face.
You need only watch a Bush press conference or even C-SPAN to see that the presence of cameras doesn’t change the way a corrupt system works. Choosing an alternative has always been the way to correct a problem.
By Dana
September 8, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
JBM - on the surface that sounds good, but we’d be right back to segregation in no time flat.And I think we DO have the ability to send out children to private schools, in fact, there are ALOT of church schools here in Atlanta. I realize not everyone can afford them, so that isn’t a solution for everyone. I don’t have an issue with my children learning about different cultures and beliefs, and they are exposed to those things at school, but would they if I sent them to a school that only taught my express beliefs?
I think I would hate to be a teacher right now - how CAN they teach evolution and still be cognizant that a large percentage of the population believes the world was created in 7 days? Yet evolution is a fact, we see it now even. The understanding of that, along with may other scientific principals, theories and etc are essential to a quest for knowledge - Don’t we want our children to be curious and to want to discover things?
By Realist
September 8, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
For the obviously limited thinkers in here who are concerned about the childrens classroom cameras being watched by predators, I think you should expand your mind. Do you know of any current sites that allow live viewing of the thousands of school bus cameras already in use? Of course not.
Obviously these cameras would broadcast over a password/token secured VPN (virtual private network) or some other secured connection and be available only to parents or guardians with children in those classes. It amazes me what a tiny box some people live inside.
Regarding Vick, he is a superb athlete. But he is at best, a mediocre quarterback. The skills that made him an unbelievable college qb and draft choice, which were speed and wreckless abandon, are attributed to youth, and fade quickly with age, injuries and fear of injury. With him at the helm, the falcons are at best a first round playoff team and will never get any higher Im afraid. I love the falcons and want to see the do well, I just dont see us reaching the highest heights with Vick.
I am looking forward to the day in the distant future that I can go watch my falcons at a nice stadium in a nicer area without having to deal with downtown traffic and annoying panhandlers and thugs. Get it done Mr. Blank!!
By sct
September 8, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
Is it the job of public education to teach football? Shouldn’t that be left to the private sector? Can you imagine the outcry if high school football was privatized in the spirit of good old fashioned conservatism. Pop Warner for all!
Those cameras better be left off the football practice field, too many cuss words. The FCC would bankrupt the Georgia school system with indecency fines.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
To reframe my evolution arguments into a more comprehensible framework, I am a baseball trivia expert. I am fascinated by the fact that the Boyer brothers played against each other in the 1964 world series, and that Joe Pepitone hit a grand slam to win one game, and that Ken Boyer hit a grand slam to win another. That is all factual, historical, true, legitimate, and also useless and irrelevant. I think the particulars of the 1964 world series have no basis for instruction in schools.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
“We must not forget that the 9/11 terrorists came principally from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, or Syria. Iran has never in modern times invaded her neighbors, yet we worry obsessively that she may develop a nuclear weapon someday. Never mind that a radicalized Pakistan has nuclear weapons; our friend Musharraf won’t lift a finger against Bin Laden, who most likely is hiding there. Our only defense against this emerging nuclear threat has been to use, and threaten to use, weapons that do not meet the needs of this new and different enemy.”
By Markus
September 8, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Democrats oppose voter ID for one reason and one reason only: they know it will hinder the “freebie” votes they get. How convenient that US Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D) of California “won” an election where a Republican incumbent got the jackboot. Ironically, said incumbent Republican was also a supporter of voter ID, right up until Sanchez & Democrat Co. started crying racism. Amazingly, Sanchez “won” with about the amount of votes that couldn’t be accounted for. Oh, and the Republican is well-known in the evening talk show formats, especially FoxNews: Bob Dornan.
I agree that classrooms need to be monitored remotely by parents if they choose. However, probably not for the same reason most God-hating liberals do: the usual “Christian Right believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old” which is utter nonsense of course, so don’t EVEN try that evolution vs. creationism with me liberals. I believe classrooms need to be monitored for these reasons:
· To prevent teachers from indoctrinating students into their own personal biases and beliefs, especially liberal socialist ones. If I purchase my child school supplies, I do NOT want them dumped into one big pile so all students can have the “same amount of stuff.” Karl Marx is not who I want my future children looking up to.
· To challenge teachers from telling half-truths about democrat politicians like John F. Kennedy (not mentioning he was for a strong military and tax cuts); talking about the greatness of Jimmy Carter yet conveniently not mentioning 21% interest rates, 12% inflation, 8% unemployment, allowing OPEC to control oil prices, allowing Iranian TERRORISTS (not “students”) to hold our people and military personnel hostage for over a year) by the end of his THANK GOD one term.
· To prevent teaching my child that the United Nations and the “world” should be the ultimate authority for America to answer to.
· To prevent my child from being taught that we don’t need a strong military.
· To prevent my child from being taught that the government is the wonderful answer to everything from cradle to grave.
· To prevent my child from feeling guilty that he may have something or deserve something that someone else does not, or to keep him from feeling guilty because he has a nicer bike or nicer clothes than someone else (where I would then describe why mommy and daddy make more money than others by working our collective @sses off whereas other lazyasses who do just enough to get by while dreaming for the weekend yet wonder why they never get raises).
· To prevent my child from being indoctrinated into feeling that if he is smarter than other kids, he should bring himself down to the level of others just so everyone can all be “equal.”
· To make sure my child is understanding TRUE history, like what our Founding Fathers REALLY meant for this nation in it’s inception; like why we REALLY had World Wars I and II and Korea and Vietnam and each aftermath, not some liberal revisionist or convenient omission history.
· To make sure my child understands that there is nothing morally or socially wrong with being ambitious, making money, making profits, or having more than someone else.
Hah! So the limousine liberals will be shelling out $100-$752-$5,000 for Babs Streisand liberal neomarxist Bush-hate dogma in between an aging nappy old dried up voice that allegedly can still sing. I’m sure those panhandling bums downtown will keep their cellular phones and hooptie cars well out of site as usual. After all, according to sickness of socialist liberalism on this board, you are a racist if you don’t contribute to those bums, or, ooops, CALL them bums.
If we had started exploring and drilling 25 years ago after Carter got thrown out of office, we’d be paying $1 for gas these days, tops, while the rest of the world whines about skyrocketing oil prices and we give the big MIDDLE FINGER to OPEC. That goes for shale exploration in the Rockies too. How many enviroweenie liberals remember or even know that the US used to be the largest single producer of oil in the world? I’ll bet those liberal indoctrination teachers didn’t teach THAT in geology class. Oh, regarding drilling, I still haven’t found ONE LIBERAL out there who can show me ONE oil spill from a DRILLING PLATFORM OPERATION in the Gulf of Mexico (for the mental challenge of liberalism, that means NOT onshore in storage, NOTona tanker, NOT while transferring between pipes onshore; I’m talking IN the Gulf of Mexico). I’m still waiting.
Add a few words to Katie’s signoff on seeBS, and you’ve got a winner: “Thanks for watching our unchallenged opinion of the news. We will see you tomorrow. After all, tomorrow is another day in Utopia.”
So, Japan has the “big war military industrial complex” liberal pinks over there too, huh? What the hell planet do these idiots come from? We got bombed by the Japs in 1941. They were working REAL hard to attack the West Coast, and came damn close. Yet, we were supposed to just sit back and take it on the chin over and over and over and not build up a war machine for those bastards at that time (including Hitler), and if we DARED to rise up and fight back, it was all to make a profit. Yep, there were idiot liberal kook fringe pinkos here in the States that thought that too back then. Sounds WAY too familiar even today. WAY too familiar. Extremist liborat freaks.
Liberalism- indoctrinating one unused mind at a time
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
Captain @ 11:40, re: literature, art, and music. I think those are worthy endeavors for the intellectually curious, but probably ought not be inflicted on the masses.
Within my lists, literature can be a useful way to teach grammar, vocabulary, and organization of paragraphs and arguments - teach by example for those who learn best that way. Similarly, I regard music as merely applied mathematics. I have not yet found any use for graphical arts.
By Dana
September 8, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this. I think understanding basic principles is the first step to learning.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
First of all SCT, the FCC has no jurisdiction over private networks, so that arguement is dead.
Further, there is no need for cameras at an open to the public practice field. Any decent father or mother, should they care to monitor the practices, could simply sit in the stands or stand on the sidelines.
Having probably never been involved in sports sct, I wouldnt expect you to put all that together without help.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, Markus. I wish to praise one of your late-afternoon posts from yesterday. (The longest one, I cannot remember the exact time.) Well-argued.
By Juvenal
September 8, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
Cameras in the classroom—great! It will be only a few weeks before the principal sidles up to Miss Buttress and says, “You know, you drew only a 2 rating in yesterday’s second period. Liven it up a little! Show more leg. Use more graphics. You can’t expect your Internet audience to maintain interest if you can’t use a little more sex appeal. Our funding depends on it, and if you can’t kick it in gear, the audience is going to vote you off the show.”
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
Fair enough, Dana @ 12:01. Does that mean you will allow my side to escape from the system, via vouchers or other relief?
By Realist
September 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
No Juvenal, It will prevent the young Ms. Buttress from coming to work hung over or stoned and spending the day with her head on her desk while the children “sit and read quietly because teacher has a headache again”.
Not to mention all the things Markus mentioned.
Markus, You have my vote sir. If you ever decide to run for office, you have a campaign worker in me!
By getalife
September 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Education time:
“In the late 1970s and the 1980s the CIA spent over $4 billion on a program called “Operation Cyclone.” This was our contribution to setting up training schools in Pakistan and elsewhere, including the U.S. itself, to teach “sabotage skills.” The purpose was to use these individuals in fighting our enemies in the Middle East, including the Soviets. But as one could predict, this effort has come back to haunt us, as our radical ally Osama bin Laden turned his fury against us after routing the Soviets. It is estimated that over 12,000 fighters were trained in the camps we set up in Afghanistan. They were taught how to make bombs, carry out sabotage, and use guerilla war tactics. And now we’re on the receiving end of this U.S. financed program— hardly a good investment.”
By Markus
September 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Here come the RATs on that 9/11 miniseries:
“The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.”
Yep, sounds like a liberal demonrat threat to me. I hope ABC gives Reid and the rest of the filthy RATs in Washington the BIG MIDDLE FINGER.
ABC is the only other network other than FoxNews to report about that stolen vote recount machine found in the back of a volunteer’s car for the RAT party in Palm Beach County after the Election of 2000.
Yeah Dirty Harry Reid, I hope ABC gives you the BIG TIME middle finger and the rest of your disgusting ilk. Prick.
http://reid.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=262624&&year=2006&
By Van
September 8, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Getalife, Re: your 11:55 AM post.
I do not remember anything in the Presidents powers granted to him by the Congress after 9/11 that specified a country. We are fighting a non-state enemy. So, your references of where they came from is moot.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
I have been reading a lot of your comments about the idea of cameras in school and, more especially, about what values schools ought to teach and how they should teach them. There are some good thinkers on this blog, so I have a question.
In ONE (1) sentence, please answer this question:
What is the purpose of the modern day, American public school?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
September 8, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Markanus - big time off her meds again.
What a loathsome hatefilled paranoid POS she is.
By Markus
September 8, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
LOL Realist, I’m too much of a hothead to run for politics. I’d make swingin’ Cindy look like a lapdog. But I thank you for your support sir! Uh-oh, when we Conservatives talk like this to each other, it gets the resident liberals upset. Watch your back…
jbmlaw- thanks. I know long messages are frowned on, but I wish I had more time for this forum. Especially like yesterday after lurking in the afternoon, I’d had had enough and fought back.
By Rod
September 8, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw - question for you. You have stated in your previous posts that you believe in evolution. However, you then went on to state: “…evolution has no relevance to anything any of us ever do outside the classroom. Thus, useless and irrelevant.”
If you look at it from just the standpoint of an ape slowly standing on two feet and then walking as a human, maybe. But evolution is much more than that. It shows how things (humans, other animals) constantly evolve. It demonstrates that things are ever-changing, even with life. I think looking at anything and believing it’s always been that way is closing your eyes to half of what’s going on. Knowing about the process of change - why it changed - will it change again - is a key element in learning.
This learning process can be transferred to many other fields. The history (i.e. of man) can affect the present. To use your baseball analogy: perhaps in the minors Chipper had to learn how to hit a breaking ball. That “evolution” has now helped him today when he gets a hit against a breaking ball pitcher. Evolution is constantly happening and to know how it relates to humans - our own ancestors - can be important.
See my point? Agree/disagree?
By Hadden Knough
September 8, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
It has been said before but apparently needs to be said again, parents must to participate to the fullest extent possible in their local schools and the school system in general. However, monitoring classrooms from home via internet broadcasts is NOT necessary. Just pay attention to what your kids are studying, check out the textbooks, go to open houses and check out the classroom, talk with and get to know the teachers, sign up for parent/teacher conferences, talk with your children about their studies, etc,etc. Spying on the teacher every minute of the day is a little draconian don’t you think? Damn, would you work under those circumstances?
Sounds like it is time to put the “Purdue” sign out and aggravate my Druid Hills neighbors.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Richard aka Dick = unhinged leftist nutter!!
Lance Corporal Syphilis aka rednekkks
only abhorrent literary drivel such as Oprah’s book club, racists like Toni Morrison and ALL leftist printing houses and their collective irksome poison should be banned.
music is more problematical - clearly the vileness that is hippity hop music should be instantly lanced like the racist/mysogynist/crime glorying carbuncle it is. middle of the road pap and ALL showtunes should be dumped in the cannibalistic recycle bin - along with ALL punk rock/thrash metal and the odious shallow twangy shiite that passes for country music. not forgetting the execrable turgidity proffered by narcissistic sluttish white trash strumpets like madonna, britney, paris et al.
ALL art, posters etc should be banned unless it serves a proper and superior purpose - such as GOP yard signs, advertising the long overdue public executions of senate judiciary committee members or generally ridiculing vermivorous leftists.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
ALL art, posters etc should be banned unless it serves a proper and superior purpose - such as GOP yard signs, advertising the long overdue public executions of LIBERAL senate judiciary committee members or generally ridiculing vermivorous leftists.
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
When CBS (think it was CBS) did their mini-series about Reagan, I thought conservatives were correct in raising hell about the inaccuracies that were portrayed in it. And now for them to think it’s OK for the 911 show to have inaccuracies (and it does, as admitted by ABC) is typical repukelican hypocrisy. You can’t have it both ways. One other thing: Markus, you’re a Prick
By Realist
September 8, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
What is SHOULD be MSP or what it is? OK both then.
What I think it should be:
To provide a positive and safe environment where trusted, experienced, qualified educators, along with signifigant parent involvment, instruct students in a wide range of accepted, approved curriculum, abscent of outside agenda or political bias, while also monitoring the proper level of social development and interaction between students.”
What it seems to be:
To get children out of parents hair so they can work 8 hours a day
By getalife
September 8, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Hey wingnuts, if you want honest debate, lets debate these facts
By Markus
September 8, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Another random Friday thought-
Liberal Democrats believe that leadership should be based on polls, including what that uneducated homeless bum who urinates on streets in San Francisco thinks about national and world affairs.
Just what this nation needs now: the dredges of society telling politicians how they need to run this nation.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Dear Rod @ 12:24, well-argued but I respectfully disagree.
Even assuming total truth of everything proffered by Darwin, it does not logically follow that “ever-changing” is an extractable principal justifying the time expended in lecturing on Darwin. A better example for that principal may be drawn from the simpler exposition of Hedy Lamarr’s cryptology theory gleaned from voice and piano. Still not sure even that 15 minute lecture would be a justifiable use of the time.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
Hadden Knough, My wife and I do the things you speak of regularly and intensely. I would enjoy being able to go to a website, log in, and see the events of my childs day occassionally or when nessecary. I dont know if you have or had young kids, but often the story you get from them is obviously not the truth regarding issues from school. And with some of the 23 year old teachers Ive met, who are just out of college, Im not sure many of them are much more believabel than my child. My son is in private school, and even so Id still like the cameras. If he were in public school, I may consider mounting one to his clothing immediately! My childs future is to important to HOPE things are going well and be shocked to learn its not once its too late.
By Markus
September 8, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Spazman-
The HELL we can’t have this on ABC.
THE CURRENT 9/11 DOCUDRAMA IS BASED ON THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT. It is FACTUALLY based, not drawn up or doctored up fiction like what Reagan’s story was.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Just what this nation needs now: the dredges of society telling politicians how they need to run this nation.
Careful now Markus, the dredges is they con-stitch-un-cy !!
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Crapman
ABC are merely evincing the smug cowardly hypcorisy of the clintonian liberal vermin who FAILED to go after bin laden and lied about it!!
I have seen the poisonous vainglorious dwarf madeline notatallbright lying about how bin laden was never “offered” to clinton’s sexual predator crowd. yet this thing sits there unchallenged in liberal TV studios sneering at Bush any chance it gets. its hilarious to see them screeching like stuck Arkansas hogs about the truth being portrayed, albeit in a composite time compacted manner.
IF???? Markus is a prick (which he’s clearly NOT) then you are a puss filled wart infested leftist wanker!! (just wittily mirroring back your abuse)
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Chazman at 12:31, yesterday I acknowledged the same argument re: the Reagan slam and the possible content of the 9/11 docudrama. But, unfortunately, your failure to acknowledge the validity of the Reaganite objections makes you the hypocrite, does it not? If you acknowledge the fundamental unfairness of the CBS slam (funded and in-part produced, by humorous coincidence, by Barbra Streisand) then I withdraw the allegation.
Also, you wrote a totally valid argument then undermined it by ending with a spew. Why do you do that? Don’t spew, just make your brilliant, focused argument, then withdraw gracefully. I do that all of the time, and revel in the anger I create out there. You may find that more satisfying than the trash talk.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Debate this Markus:
“We have a troop shortage, morale is low, and our military equipment is in bad shape, yet the neo-cons would not hesitate to spend, borrow, inflate, and reinstate the draft to continue their grandiose schemes in remaking the entire Middle East. Obviously a victory of this sort is not available, no matter what effort is made or how much money is spent.”
By Monarch Hames
September 8, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Cynthia again makes this column as the butt for racial jokes. Vernon Jones is mentioned by someone, he who is the boy of the boss structure running DeKallb while trying to to keep the majority of the voters out with ID cards. Katrina is also still everyones joke. Storms are “color blinded” till they hit the least priveleged, and then the well off run for cover. IDs and cameras in the classroom - two more ways for keeping the non-priveleged down while Purdue adds to his plantations. MARTA is the peoples transportation and should be run by the people not the ones who ride it only to watch Vick perform tricks for them. This city needs a Kartina from the people.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
or this:
“Since resistance against the Iraq war is building here at home, hopefully it won’t be too long before we abandon our grandiose scheme to rule the entire Middle East through intimidation and military confrontation.
Economic law eventually will prevail. Runaway military and entitlement spending cannot be sustained. We can tax the private economy only so much, and borrowing from foreigners is limited by the total foreign debt and our current account deficit. It will be difficult to continue this spending spree without significantly higher interest rates and further devaluation of the dollar. This all spells more trouble for our economy and certainly higher inflation. Our industrial base is shattered and our borders remain open to those who exploit our reeling entitlement system.”
By getalife
September 8, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
And you are wrong as usual Macaca. The ABC film will be fiction because it is not factual based.
By JK
September 8, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
Your tax dollars do not support athletic programs in the public schools. Funding for uniforms, equipment, refs, and everything else is supplied by the tireless effots of “boosters,” aka parents who bust our butts raising funds so that our kids can play football, baseball, basketball, lacrosse, track & field, and cheerleading, so that they can learn pysical skills, discipline, teamwork, being a contributing member of something, and glean the self-confidence they’ll need to compete in this “rip-em, shred-em” world we brought them into. (Call your local school sometime and ask what is NOT funded by your precious tax dollars! You’ll be surprised.)
So when the kids come ‘round selling their coupons books and other crap you don’t need, PLEASE GIVE GENEROUSLY! Thank you.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO JK!!!!
But careful there JK. These sports activities (esp football) are breeding grounds for fraternity types and, gasp, conservatives!
By getalife
September 8, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Just like I said, there is no honest debate on this blog.
This is a Republican from Texas speaking the truth. Read it and you just might learn something
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
jbm
you seem to be somewhat overlooking the minor entertainment of beholding a vexed liberal hissy fit which occasionally some of us on here are able to quite effortlessly elicit. that kind of tortuous anger is especially pleasing.
experience shows if one targets certain rather awkward topics for them, rather than just particular personalities the leftist anger sure seems that bit easier to induce and marginally more heartfelt.
indeed they - the liberals - have become completely inured to legitimate fact based criticism of say the cowardly man who has long been beset by wholly undenied allegations that he raped Juanita in Little Rock or the corrupt hateful woman politician who had a Madonna like lesbian/Britney kiss with the hideously ugly Francophile wife living large in snail eating France off the stolen millions from the Gaza Strip aid syphoning of the happily now deceased arch terrorist Yapper Arabfart.
By Hadden Knough
September 8, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Realist - Both my children attended public schools. They are in college now. There were times when they came home with some thought or quote that disturbed me. More often than not upon closer examination they had misquoted the teacher or the text, or left out half the story. I always encouraged them to go back, ask questions, and get clarification. One went back and challenged a teacher who told the class that only whites can be racist. I doubt he changed the teacher’s mind, but he might have made some of the other students think things through for themselves.
Both have turned out conservative politically, open to discussion and debate, and polite to those they disagree with. One revels in taking conservative stands in his GSU classes. His teachers - sometimes avowed liberals - often call on him for his views on discussion matter. He enjoys the debates and has friends on both sides of the aisle. You can’t follow them around every minute of the day. Sticking a camera in the classroom is not only going to inhibit the teachers, but the students as well. They need to learn how to listen, absorb, sort out the bs, and draw conclusions on their own.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
TFTT @ 1:08, the truth in your post is certainly reflected by your history of success. Not my style though - in fact, few can do effectively what you do - but please do not read my suggestion to Chazman as a veiled note to you.
Perhaps Chazman shares your perspective, however; if so, I acknowledge that criticism of one’s style is inappropriate. I just thought I saw intellect in Chazman yearning to break free, and was offering a helpful guidance.
By JK
September 8, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Getalife, True, true. It’s a good read. I might actually consider voting for a Republican such as this one:
Lack of real choice in economic and personal decisions is commonplace. It seems that too often the only choice we’re given is between prohibitions or subsidies. Never is it said, “Let the people decide on things like stem cell research or alternative medical treatments.”
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
JK and Getalife, I have not looked at your link but you must be discussing Ron Paul of Texas. He is truly a libertarian, sitting with the Republicans. Except for his isolationist view of the world - common among my libertarian brothers - I agree with your assessment of Mr. Paul.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
JK,
I found him by accident on CSpan yesterday and decided to listen to him even though he is a Republican. This is the best part of his speech:
Instead we continue to hear the constant agitation for us to confront the Iranians with military action. Reasons to attack Iran make no more sense than our foolish preemptive war against Iraq. Fictitious charges and imaginary dangers are used to frighten the American people into accepting an attack on Iran. First it may only be sanctions, but later it will be bombs and possible ground troops if the neo-cons have their way. Many of the chicken-hawk neo-conservative advisors to the administration are highly critical of our current policy because it’s not aggressive enough. They want more troops in Iraq, they want to attack Syria and Iran, and escalate the conflict in Lebanon.”
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
jbm
once again you are much too generous in ascribing any kind of intellect to the likes of crapman … if such a notion could ever be seriously advanced it would require evidence of a vastly different mindset that is capable of both intellectual honesty and incisive thinking. I suppose the intellectually impoverished lefties see their conservative betters systematically outwitting them both comedically and substantively on here and thus become enraged, intuitively knowing their pitiful efforts at verbal jousting will - as sick Willie’s depraved example shows - ultimately come to no good!!
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw: I didn’t acknowledge your post yesterday regarding the Reagan mini-series because I don’t have time to acknowledge and/or discuss every issue that comes up here. So that makes me a hypocrite? Then you say if I do acknowledge it, I’m not one? I believe in my earlier post today, I did acknowledge it. I thought it was ridiculous to put things that didn’t really happen in a show like that, just like ABC is doing now. So, do you agree that those of you who did think it was wrong then, but think it’s OK now should be labled as a hypocrite? Just wondering. It’s wrong both ways, I think. As for my spew, actually I did it with a wink. Markus chose to end his 12:10 with the P word and his BIG BOLD LETTERS so I just thought I would too. As for Markus, he says the 911 show is “factually based” on the 911 report (based being the big word here). Does that mean every scene is true. I’m sure CBS stated the Reagan deal was “based” on his life story, but that doesn’t mean it was all true. Let’s see you call Markus a hypocrite mlaw, cuz deep down, you know they are both the same. Can’t say the same about Markus.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
He is a libertarian Republican but I have never heard another politician tell the truth without the spin like this guy.
I was shocked.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
Hadden Knough, I respect your views and can see where you are coming from. I’m looking at it not so much as a guard against indoctrination (though Im certain that is happening) but a guard against sub-standard teachers not doing thier jobs, controlling thier classrooms, etc. I suppose I was applying my situation having a young child as I do. However I do think even into high school, the cameras would again offer a deterent to misbehavior and poor performing teachers which is just as important at those ages. Moreso when it comes to the violence issue. I do think at the college level, from my experience, cameras would not be required as the students should be old enough to behave properly and recognize poor professors and subsequently drop the class if need be.
As for some of the teachers being opposed to being watched, I take the same stance as I do surrounding the wiretap controversy. Only those with something to hide need worry.
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
Realist, I’m not critisizing your “only those with something to hide need worry” reply, which is the standard reply now for conservatives in regard to this issue, but how far are you willing to go with that. Not just you, but anyone who uses that argument. Would you mind if a police officer did a walk-through of your house every night to make sure there is nothing illegal going on? Or would you mind police officers pulling you over and searching your vehicle twice a day, just in case you have something illegal in your car? Or search all your pockets before you go into Wal-mart just in case you had a bomb or something. This would all be for homeland security, mind you. How about the police installing cameras outside of everyone’s house just to see who comes and goes. Or why not inside the houses. I mean, if you have nothing to hide, what does it matter? I don’t mean that in a smartazz tone, I am serious. I’ve just always wondered how far people are willing to go with that type of response of people don’t need to worry if they have nothing to hide. Just wondering.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
Okay, back to the name calling. It is Friday.
Funny how Macaca cuts and runs from an honest debate.
What a loser.
Bwhahahahaha!
By Realist
September 8, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
I read every word Paul had to say there and can’t say that I disagree with very much of it, other than his over simplified view on the Middle East.
The thing is, Im not sure any other congressman or senator or local mayor couldnt have “owned” up to the same obvious truths just as eloquently and matter of factly.
Again, the problem I find is that I keep reading and reading, waiting for the part where he says, “So here is what I pledge to do to change things….” but it never comes. We seem to have plenty of men willing to diagnose the problems, but hell, a 58 year old life long coal miner from West Virginia can you tell you whats wrong with government just as well as Paul has, though not as smoothly.
Its one thing to acknowledge the system is broken, its another to step out against the grain and do something about it.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
Realist
the big obvious problem with classroom cameras is the star struck deliberately disruptive pupil who will play up knowing that there is no head master’s cane or cattle prod that can be used on them to ensure discipline. there are increasing numbers of kids today who could care less about anyone but themselves and having laugh. I agree that the benefits far outweigh the disadvantges of cameras - and the administrators I’ve heard advocating this have made a point of emphasising that only parents and other legitimately folks will have access. Its ludicrously specious to suggest that suddenly scores of sex offender types will - on demand- be able to spy on young kids all day long. It will also protect teachers against any false, malicious accusations by parents and kiddies.
By Curious Observer
September 8, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
Maybe Wooten should concern himself and his audience with more important CDC matters—the ones he will never read about. Like which Georgia senators and Congressmen are interfering on behalf of their wealthy campaign contributors with CDC activities to protect the public from being exposed to toxins and diseases, using their influence over appropriations to issue not-so-veiled threats. If he knew what was really going on, even he would be appalled.
By Hadden Knough
September 8, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
Curious Observer - You brought it up, so tell us more.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
Maybe Wooten should concern himself and his audience with more important CDC matters—the ones he will never read about. Like which Georgia senators and Congressmen are interfering on behalf of their wealthy campaign contributors with CDC activities to protect the public from being exposed to toxins and diseases, using their influence over appropriations to issue not-so-veiled threats. If he knew what was really going on, even he would be appalled.
how wonderfully vague, paranoid and conspiratorial!!
By JK
September 8, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
C-SPAN: The best reality show on TV! It’s often quite shocking. Everyone should spend some time watching Congress. No commentary, no edits, no “journalists” to “explain” what it means. Just be a fly on the wall, and you’ll be amazed at what you hear! Amazed.
By getalife
September 8, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You can start by admitting the facts he stated, to have an honest debate on how to fix it. There are some great minds in Washington that are not being heard. He explains why in the beginning of his speech.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Thats the point TFTT. There IS a headmasters cane in my house, and if I saw my son was acting up or not doing right, he’d get the cane when he got home.
And chazman, speaking of children, your argument is like that of my a child. Its like, “oh yeah, well what if an alien came down on a space ship and landed on your head, what then”. You take a perfectly sane logical idea and exacerbate it ten million times to make your point. I cant argue it because its insane. A cop coming into my house at night? Come on man, be for real if you want to be taken seriously.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Chazman @ 1:31, I withdraw my critique. I misread your “intention” in your 12:31 post. I thought you limited your commentary to approval for conservatives to object to a Reagan slam, then objected to their amusement that Leftists were complaining the same way.
One difference in the two, of course, is that part one of the ABC show critiques the Clinton negligence, and part two criticizes the failures of the Bush administration. The Reagan slam was one-sided. All of the squawking about the ABC show comes only from the left. Some of us draw lessons from “who complains and why.”
By Curious Observer
September 8, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
There IS a headmasters cane in my house, and if I saw my son was acting up or not doing right, he’d get the cane when he got home.
Atta boy, Realist. Let’s beat on some kids for a while. Like Zig-Zag Zell when he wanted to send juvenile miscreants to boot camps for a little physical reorientation.
By JK
September 8, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, when people tell lies about you or people you care about, do you complain? If so, why? (Or do you only complain when fronted $400 per hour?) Just curious.
By Hadden Knough
September 8, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
Realist, If we started monitoring teachers, who does the monitoring? Who watches the monitors? Who watches them? What are they looking for and who decides what that is? How practical is it anyway? I think that might be chazman’s point.
By middle of the road
September 8, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You didn’t finish answering chazman’s question. You stated that having a policeman go through your house every night was inconceivable. OK, so that’s far past your conceivable endpoint. What is the endpoint of the conceivable as far as you’re concerned? Going through your car every day? Listening to all your conversations – or only the long distance ones – or only the international ones? Just where do you draw the line? That was a serious question. It deserves a serious answer. I keep hearing in my head the old German’s comment about there was no one there to speak for him when the legal German government came for him. This isn’t some liberal trying to make points. This is the crux of the issue on government interference. To rephrase his/her question: Where does government observation stop being observation and become snooping?
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Realist
this is how the left argues/debates - they twist things to the point of ludicrousness and then sneer if you dont answer or accept their idiocy.
Homeland security should be about reasonable suspicion for terrorists, as it is in the UK - but here the lefties screech if you hint at removing probable cause. The rights of terrorist are vastly more important to way too many leftist demoncrats than the rights of victims or potential victims of actual plots - just listen to the rantings of the Club Gitmo opponents. Only treasonous types are more concerned with the nation’s enemies than they are the nation.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
Ah yes Curious Monkey, Actually, Ive spanked my son only once, and it was well deserved. It was prefaced by a ten minute lecture on why it needed to happen, and ended in a tearful hug from both of us, and an I love you.
See this is GOOD discipline Curious george. Unfortunately, because not every parent has the brains, caring, or self control to carry out such discipline in a safe manner, government and “child psychologist” have shunned it.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
MOR moron
the actual calls are international calls - screened for calling patterns - your leftist dishonesty is a joke!! your questions are pathetic - not serious!!
racial profiling is the ONLY way to go - suspect ALL mohammedans of all colours and obviously pragmatic ages - say 12 and up and under about 60 or so (unless the ages need tweaking upwardly - as they are the SELF DECLARED enemy and potential enemy. Clearly its proper to distinguish between the more fanatical mohammedans than the supposedly more moderate ones - but be quietly suspicious of all of them. when and if terrorists become eskimos or maoris or whatever then switch the surveillance and suspicion as needed by all mneans!!
By yourekidding
September 8, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Wooten says we should be afraid of John Conyers trying to impeach Bush. To paraphrase the apologists for the NSA sying program, why should the Right be afraid of impeachment hearings if Bush hasn’t done anything wrong?
By Liberal
September 8, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
I am in a world of $hit right now because I actually agree somewhat with Realist. There are times when kids need to be spanked. My mother was never afraid to spare the rod and I love her for it. It always amazed me how some of my friends, who were never really spanked, got away with cussing at their parents and other forms of disrespect.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
TO REALIST:
It has been almost three hours since I posed my question: “What is the purpose of the modern, American public school?” and you seem to be the only one who has tried to answer it.
The fact is that whether or not you are George W. “Lost in Alabama” Bush, “Staggering Ted Kennedy, or “Flag Furling” Roy Barnes, the PURPOSE of the modern, American public school is to PREPARE KIDS FOR THE NEXT LEVEL OF SCHOOL!
Think about it.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
Where to start.
By Hadden Knough
September 8, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
Realist, If we started monitoring teachers, who does the monitoring? parents and guardians of course. teachers superiors often do sit ins to monitor teachers abilities so it would be nothing new or useful to them)Who watches the monitors?(isnt that the same question??) Who watches them?(again, its the parents monitoring, question is ilogical) What are they looking for and who decides what that is? (anything they want to watch for. how thier kids behave, how the teacher conducts the class, how other kids behave, etc) How practical is it anyway?(extremely cheap technology, a basic network and server, cameras, and internet connection. I could set it up its so simple) I think that might be chazman’s point.
Thanks for speaking for chaz. Maybe you can explain my answers to him also.
By Middle of the road
September 8, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
OK, TFTT has been heard from: Only Arabs need to be closely observed. Anybody else?
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
@ you’re a complete moron
john conyers is almost as dim and stupid as maxine waters - but even ignoring that obvious point conyers is as partisan as it gets and the much salivated about impeachment of Bush - unlike the impeachment of the sexual predator sick Willie, ask Juanita what he did to her, is purely blatant political payback. Bush has done NOTHING to warrant impeachment.
It would be like expecting Israel to get a fair hearing at either the UN or the League of Arab Nations.
By Chazman
September 8, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Hey jbmlaw, you say there’s a difference between the two because the Reagan one was one-sided, but the part 2 of the 911 tells of the Bush failures. Where did you get that. I have not heard one mention that it covers anything negative about Bush, but rather I read where it shows a gung-ho Bush ready to go after bin laden. And it’s not the “failures” of the Clinton admin they are squaking about, it’s the downright untrue situations and/or conversations that it portrays. Again, I have not heard that it shows the same for the Bush side. Maybe it will, but I doubt it. As for Realist, I am disappointed that he compares my argument to that of his child and that I should “be real” if I want to be taken seriously. Or that it is “insane”. I figured you would duck the reply. Do you think the founding fathers would think listening in on phone conversations without prior approval would be exacerbated? Hmmm. I plan on starting at this moment on having a helluva good weekend. I wish the same for all of you.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
MOR
see how utterly dishonest you are mate!!
I said “mohammedans” - that includes non arab terrorists in pakistan, indonesia, UK, FRance, Spain, Bangladesh, afghanistan, iran etc arabs are NOT the only mohammadens in the world.
talk about stupid or bigoted - its clearly one or the other!!
run along now bubba and get your liberal teacher to brainwash you some more!!
By Hadden Knough
September 8, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
No, Realist, I mean who monitors the monitors that monitor the monitors monitoring the classrooms. How far back up the line do you go looking over shoulders for incompetence with a camera? They all get evaluated now. How does a camera fix anything? Are you going trust the monitors without watching them to?
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
JK @ 2:30, great question. You correctly infer I get that regularly, one of those occupational hazards. Some lies bother me, some don’t.
If the speaker is someone whose opinion matters to me, it is important enough to me to try to set straight the record; if the speaker is one not too important to me, I usually just ignore it.
Funny, now that you mention it, the falsehoods that get under my skin are normally the ones that are least believable to third-persons, those rooted in ignorance or illogic. The malicious lies, with some semblance of truth, which may otherwise influence people and damage my own best interests, generally don’t raise my blood pressure.
Have never thought about the issue, thanks for the prod. How about you, JK, do the untruth-tellers get to you?
By Realist
September 8, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
btw chaz and hadden, Dont think i didnt get your drift regarding the cameras as well as the reference to the searches. You are implying “give an inch, take a mile”, right? Yes, I know thats the FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) and conspiracy theorism that many like to beleive and live thier lives by. I myself have a more practical and trusting approach. We elect folks and by doing so we trust that they dont go to those extremes you are talking about. I trust that Bush and other republicans that I help elect wont abuse the power to use wiretaps to monitor terrorist if it were to be given to them. I also trust that school officials wouldnt use the cameras for alterior motives (not sure what they could be since the classroom isnt exactly private and is open to superiors at anytime).
Again, its a matter of trust, and I suppose some simply just wont trust anything or anyone ever. Oh, with the exception of Clinton, the most dishonest politician ever born. Go figure.
By yourekidding
September 8, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Hey, time for the truth-
Is that all you guys know how to do, insult people? I don’t feel lying about staining someone’s dress come anywhere CLOSE to starting a war under false pretenses. Check out the Senate Inteligence Committee’s report out today. And don’t start about how Saddam was a bad guy (we know that), or the link to 9/11 (which isn’t true).
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this
Chazman @ 2:56, today’s WSJ, section W, page 7, at the bottom - long article.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
Hadden, I think Im growing tired of this debate becaues Im not suer we both grasp the material. There are no monitors in the type of configuration Im speaking of. Well, except for the monitors of the parents/guardians etc who access the internet to view the images. See I think you are thinking of closed circuit tv (CCTV) and envisioning a panel of bluish screens and a security person watching over all of them looking for the slightest hint of irregularity. No, thats not it. Im talking about a small internet camera with sound, in each classroom, that would broadcast live images and audio accross the internet, and be accessible by only those with a password/token to the private network, for the sole purpose of viewing thier children in their daily activities. Quite different from the “monitors” scenario you seem to be referring to.
By Van
September 8, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
time for the truth
Very good, it helps if the lefties understand that radical islamists can be any race, color and have many different countries of origin.
Where I disagree is with racial profiling. Is it racial to profile by religion? Is it racial to profile by all names that take 2 mouth fulls of phlem to pronounce?
No, it is just plain profiling.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
yourkidding, A lie, under oath, before a federal grand jury of the United States Justice System, by our sitting President, a former attorney himself, is the most dishonorable and disgusting thing I have ever heard of. Every attorney I know beleives the same. We must protect the integrity of our justice system and can not tolerate lying under oath. When its the president doing the lying, its just horrendous. Dont you get that?
Its not about a bj or dress, its about spitting on our justice system and our founding fathers sir.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
Mid-South, I apologize, I missed your lunch time open question. In one sentence, the purpose of the schools is to prepare our children for tomorrow’s challenges.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Realist, although I am hesitant to say anything that could undermine your 3:14 statement, I can think of many things more dishonorable and disgusting than perjury, even excluding those things I have done myself.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
On a more serious note, I do not regard a just war, such as Iraq, as something as evil as perjury. My two cents.
By yourekidding
September 8, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Hey, time for the truth-
Is that all you guys know how to do, insult people? I don’t feel lying about staining someone’s dress come anywhere CLOSE to starting a war under false pretenses. Check out the Senate Inteligence Committee’s report out today. And don’t start about how Saddam was a bad guy (we know that), or the link to 9/11 (which isn’t true).
By @@
September 8, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Jim, I like this Friday’s “Free for All”
Southern dirt: I wish I could have bought the 100 acres surrounding me; then I wouldn’t be worried about “urban spraaaawwwwwlll.”
Voter ID is a common sense approach. That’s why liberals don’t understand the need for it. Or they’re just subversive in their politics. Either/or.
I love the idea of videos in the classroom. It would alleviate quite a few persistent problems. Problem is, the ACLU would never tolerate it. They have some lame idea that children have rights. Every right except to be protected from sexual predators that is.
Hurricanes? I don’t remember storm surge being discussed so much in previous hurricanes. I guess the dems want to remind everyone that tax dollars need to surge from our pockets into the government coffers.
Panhandlers? You do know that Babs suffers from OCD. I’m thinking she wouldn’t want the homeless at her concerts. Fear of germs and all that. I’ve got a better idea. She can donate all the proceeds “directly” to the homeless. Giving it to the dems certainly hasn’t fixed the problem in all these years.
Dang straight? Drill the liberal environmentalists a new one. I’m pretty sure what you’d find there though.
Frighten the children? You just scared the he11 out of me.
CBS Anchor? Not quite simple enough for a liberal to understand.
Marta? Heeyyyyy, I’m formerly from Cali, but I agree.
Catch? I’d like to know who they were and why they’re here. Let’s put some panties on their heads and grill ‘em like a “crown of beef”.
Conspiracy Theorists? You may not know it, but you’ve got quite a few liberals on this site who are a dumb as McKinney. They love that crap.
Thanks Jim, it’s been fun.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Im sorry Jbm, I mispoke. So Clinton wasnt guitly of the MOST disgusting dishonorable behavior, just disgusting and dishonorable behavior. Thanks.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
Thanks for weighing in Jbmlaw.
The purpose you give is what it ought to be, but, alas, with the emphasis on high stakes standardized testing (and before anyone goes off the deep-end, we ought to have standardized testing; it just doesn’t need to be the sum total of the experience of assessment and evaluation), I fear we come up short.
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Mid-South, your blog handle understates the quality of your insight. I alienate my conservative brothers when I affirm my support for grade-less schooling. So far as I can determine, “grades” (meaning only “comparative rankings” among the students within a class) exist entirely for the convenience of schools of higher education and for prospective employers, to keep them from making their own evaluations. I wistfully imagine something more like the original Socratic experience, direct and personal intellectual exchange with a challenging mentor; issuing a “score” under that circumstance is unseemly.
By JK
September 8, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, yes, people who tell lies about other people really tick me off. “Thou shalt not bear false witness” is in the Top 10 for a reason, IMO. You never know the extent of the chain of events you can set off with one lie about someone else! Nonetheless, (to the partisan hacks reading this) I’ll forgive a gentleman who refuses to divulge the details of his private dalliances for the titillation of others, although “It’s none of your G—D— business!” is more appropriate.
Some people lie about others because they think it’s true — they don’t do the research before repeating it as fact — or they don’t care if it’s true, they just enjoy being hateful, or some do it because they want to believe something so badly that they “can’t handle the truth” (Jack Nicholson on TV last night… whoa..) But if you come at me with some BS, and I know it’s BS, I’ll call it, and I don’t care who you are. But that’s just me.
By Miller Time Dreams
September 8, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
Why we wont cut-and-run: The insurance underwriters who insured the reconstruction contracts to go forward, would have to pay up anyway if we are not there to protect the construction. So the army stays put.
Insurance rules. Always. #1 rule of life. Never forget.
Insurance knows the future, because they define it with $$$, like if you want to know how long you’ll live, look at a table of your future life insurance premium payments, see where the quarterly payment jumps from a couple hundred dollars to a couple thousand? That’s the year you croak, my fine friend. And they are NEVER wrong. Insurance. Who would have thunk, .
Thus, until all the money gets into the hands of those who set this entire business of literal nation building in play, the army wont budge one inch, and that’s the bottom line.
Bush is right about one thing, it would be a catastrophe if we cut and run….for the underwriters!
Miller time: dead ahead. I’m underwriting my first ten beers, then I’m a cuttin’, and I’m a making another beer run…..
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
JK, great argument, I respect your standards. I guess I am a bit jaded. We go in there and every so often you see one of those cases where everyone lies about everything. My own observation, if there is money on the table, people lie and big; although 99% of what I do is civil law, that is where most evil is found. Probably correlation, if I were not there, there would be no lies?
Strangely, that is not the case so often in criminal. In criminal, my client has almost always done something stupid, and he (it’s almost always a “he”) knows it. The prosecutor doesn’t really examine the inflated statements of the police, and simply throws everything against the wall, to see what sticks. My job is to bring both sides to a deal, get my client to acknowledge what he really did, get the prosecutor to reduce charges to that which is real.
Sometimes I think I am simply brokering in a commodity.
By Realist
September 8, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
And btw jbm, I have the pleasure of knowing some judges personally, and have had the misfortune of knowing some professionally, and the feel I get from them is that the idea of perjury undermines everything they have worked for, believed in, and live for. I mean if a judge believes in what he/she is doing and the system the are a part of, then they must do it almost naively believing that every word they are basing thier rulings on is truth. If you dont have that, what do you have?
Now Im not saying that people dont lie on the stand everyday, but when someone from that system, a judge or attorney, or GASP a president!!
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
Egad, Jbmlaw!
You get it!
Who wants a heart surgeon who earned a B- in anatomy class!
Education is all about developing proficiency in learning “where” to find the answer and in “knowing” what you “need” to know, when you “need” to “know” it, AND in learning how to navigate the “ocean of life.”
By the Eternal, we may have to serve you a drink of hemlock!
By harold
September 8, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
Harold says webcams in classrooms are yet another lame excuse for selfish parents to ignore the education of their children.
What? Nothing about sexy tight sweaters? Nope.
Mom: “Since the cameras are there, somebody else will be paying attention. No need for me to watch or even ask little Susie what she learned today! I am off to my ALTA match guilt free!”
By jbmlaw
September 8, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
And Mid-South, in the profound words of Sir Winston, I’ll drink it!
Have a great weekend, I think I will not be back today.
By JK
September 8, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, having your job would certainly keep me up at night! I wasn’t raised to think it’s okay to lie just because there’s money involved, but I know for many people, it’s just a given. I also wasn’t raised to believe it’s appropriate to pull an acting Head of State away from his duties to protect America (repeatedly) to interrogate him about his D-CK, and then impeach him for not being fully forthcoming. I was, however, raised to believe that some things are not up for public discussion, as PROPRIETY demands that we keep them private. But that’s just me. The old lies about our former President are getting new life this weekend, and I haven’t an ounce of respect for anyone who gleefully repeats what is factually disputed. I’m all for asking questions, over and over even. But repeating lies? Um…. no. Fortunately for the partisan hacks, they don’t care what I think of them.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 8, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
To Jbmlaw and all,
I concur. While I don’t have any “Scottish fluid” that I alluded to earlier today, I do hear some sourmash calling.
A “tip of the topper” (for you uneducated folks, that is a ‘dolf of the hat’) to all who had something to say worthwhile today.
To Jim Wooten, my friend, wherever you are, have a great weekend.
Those of you, who drive carefully, I will be looking for you, and for those of you who don’t….bye!
By Realist
September 8, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
JK, You dont want us men telling you what to do with your body, then tell us what to or we should act about our D*ICKS ok. A real man has to stand up and take it on the chin (pardon the disgusting pun) every now and then, and he took the cowards way out.
Im off. Only a month or so of risky shallow water boating left! :)
By Middle of the Road
September 8, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
OK TFTT correction: It’s OK to snoop on all Islamics - no one else, right?
By Miller Time Dreams
September 8, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
That’s it, mid south, I’m calling it officially miller time at 4:11 pm on friday, sept 8, 2006, a date that will live intoxinfamy…..
By Miller Time Dreams
September 8, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
A lot of you bloggers are also investors. I just opened my quarterly statement from Ameritrade.
this is what’s left of 500K I started with in 1999: 50 shares of Enron (ENRNQ), 100 shares of Leap Wireless (LWINQ), and 35 shares of Psinet (PSIXQ).
Total market value: $0
No lie. Big laughs. In fact, I owe Ameritrade $9.63 via a margin account.
Oh well, looks like a job for a tall cold one….
By Markus
September 8, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this
Hey Spazman-
Since you still obviously haven’t seen the difference between the Reagan issue and the 9/11 docudrama, but you may not being a liberal who pitches FITS when one of your own gets focused in on in less than a feel-good liberal touchy-touchy way:
· The 9/11 docudrama is characterizing a specific EVENT, and the writers used the findings of the 9/11 Commission Report in the movie.
· The Reagan miniseries characterized an entire ADMINISTRATION which was no longer around to defend itself, especially when that miniseries had Reagan say this about the AIDS victims: “They that live in sin shall die in sin.” He never said that. Just an example.
· There were clear attempts to re-write history and portray Reagan as something he was clearly NOT, like making decisions based upon what Nancy’s astrologer said.
Not only that, but liberals are saying bald face LIES about this docudrama. They have said things like Madeleine notsoAlbright was shown on the phone saying that Clinton passed on Osama when there WAS NO SCENE like that according to those who have seen the unedited version.
Finally, the 9/11 docudrama shows the events up to and including the Bush administration, and from what I’ve heard, they do NO favors to the Republicans, especially Condi Rice. And like law said in response to you, only ONE group is raising holy hell about this flick, and it sure didn’t come from Conservatives. I mean, if Clintoon’s leadership was so air tight and dead-on right, why do they have their pretty pink panties in a wad? What the hell are they afraid of here?
One more thing: I thought having that Reagan miniseries pulled was a form of censorship. I’m just stating you the clear differences here, that’s all.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
Van
I meant mohammedan profiling - its the names not the race … there are arab christians and jews which MOR buddy conveniently forgot. mohammedan names - about a thousand that “glory allah” are all they can choose, which is why no mullah is ever called Kevin or Derek.
I’m not actually insulting people mate - but I’m accurately describing lefties … often treasonous ones :)
the pathertic lies/bollux about starting an illegal war/under false pretences is as tired as clinton’s lies about not being a cirrupt sexual predator and as false as anything the alBOre says about global warming and his vainglorious achievments.
By time for the truth
September 8, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this
MOR
I’d also keep a very wary FBI type eye on all lefty commies/pinkos - especially moveon.org types and keep the surveillance going on the very far extreme right. plus of course various third world “activist” types … with a view to rounding them up and getting rid of as many as possible of such activists in mass forced deportations.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
September 8, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
Man, are the DemoNcraPs running from that ABC mini-series or WHAT??? I was just watching Sandy BurGlar on CNN as he and Wolf Blitzer were helping the DemoNcraPs distance themselves from the film. Why not just have Sandy BurGlar go over to the studios and while no one is watching, slip the film in his underwear? There ought to be plenty of room in there cause he sure as hell doesn’t have any ballz to get in the way!!! Duh-huh! To my conservative brothers and sisters, have a wonderful weekend and have lots of fun…pi$$ off liberals and watch them unravel.
By Markus
September 8, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
LOL Ugotta! You need to come around more often and help fumigate this place of unhinged, out of control, over-emotionalized, and over-estrogen filled liberals.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
September 8, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this
Isn’t it amazing how an upcoming election can suddenly locate sooooooo muuuuuuch oil? Just think, only recently we were facing more than $3.00 per gallon prices and rumors of $5.00 gas prices AND THEN SUDDENLY, out of nowhere comes an election…AND BEHOLD…we have more damn gas than even the Chinese can use. Hell, we’ve even found even more oil in the Gulf. Go figure!!! Who’d a thunk it??? It’s AMAZING what can happen when politicians get really afraid of the voters. They might actually lose their seats and have to take “one of those jobs that Americans won’t do”! Wouldn’t that be Hell???
By Fubar
September 9, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
So when are we going to see the movie about Regan and his astologer and psychic board staff meetings