Thinking Right

By Flounder

September 4, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

There’s only one solution to this impasse: ROAD TRIP!

The fraternity could use the courts, present logical well constructed arguments using the law, or they could do something really stupid: toga! toga! toga! toga!

By Mid-South Philosopher

September 4, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

Race is the great albatross around the neck of democracy as it is practiced in our American Republic. It was the issue that even our “founding fathers” (I suspect that the “founding mothers,” had they been empowered at the time, might have solved it) were too cowardly to address. Despite a civil war, a reconstruction, two world wars, a great depression, an economic boom unlike any in human history, a civil rights movement, and all the advantages of the post-modern world, we remain engulfed in, at worst, the cesspool of racial prejudice, bigotry, and hatred on both sides, and, at the best, the wilderness of grudging suspicion both sides of the other.

It will not be solved in the life-time of those of us who experienced racial segregation. Sadly, individuals, in both races, “cannot” or “will not” forgive or forget. Moreover, racism is an important tool in the political process. It is the life-blood of politicians of several different colors.

Despite the fact that we have a long way to go, each generation seems to have improved over the other. We aren’t anywhere close to being “there” yet, but we seem to be improving. Hopefully in our grandchildren or great-grandchildren’s time, this albatross finally will be dislodged.

Sure would like to live to see that day, but I will not.

By deegee

September 4, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Yes, it’s a zoning issue and BTW, get your taco stands out of my neighborhood!!!

By Hadden Knough

September 4, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

Anyone want to go in with me and create a “Wild West” theme park? We can have themes like “Westward Expansion”, “Buffalo Slaughter”, “Here Come the Railroads”, “Rape of the White Women”, “Calvary Charge”, and “Village Pillage”. Everyone gets to dress up in authentic theme clothing too. Best of all we can located the park out west right next to an Indian reservation where the land isn’t being used for anything. Good idea or what? I didn’t spend six years getting my undergrad degree for nothing.

By Student Visa

September 4, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Profile in Racism:

Mickey Bowers was the greatest halfback I ever played with in high school. I only got to punt during games, but I considered myself his team mate. He was the most popular guy in school, and he walked the halls with an entourage larger than our PE volley ball team.

He never once acknowleged that I existed until the summer after graduation when I stepped on a bus coming home from the gymnasium at the army post I lived on. There he was - beckoning me to sit next to him. Me? I quickly slid in next to him. He was so kind to me; wanted to know how my summer was going, where and when I’d go off to college, wishing me luck and would I go out for football?

I was so proud and honored for those ten minutes. I looked around to see if anyone noticed that I was sitting and talking and laughing with the great Mickey Bowers. One G.I. was staring at us, expressionless. I told myself that for one bus ride, I was the cool guy. Me. Mickey rose at the stop near the entrance to the army post. I didnt’ dare ask why he was on that bus, it was going too well for me to ruin it like that.

He slapped my shoulder and got off. I never saw or heard about him again. I dont know if he played any more football. Vietnam was in full swing in the Summer of ‘69. Perhaps…….

By shjax

September 4, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Since the fraternity, whose members comprise many of the most successful and contributing businessmen of the state, had to relocate due to a politically (in)correct university, I believe it’s KA that could have done the whining and complaining. But no. As intelligent, hard-working men typically do, they simply solved the problem without making a fuss by using their brains and resources to purchase another location.

I am proud to know such men that do not rely on the race card, the shame card, or the government card to get ahead. When dealt a setback in life, we trudge forward, knowing that life is all about setbacks and that winners never succumb to the whining and crying that other people so readily embrace.

So build your house Kappa Alpha and may the spirit of RE Lee guide you through the process of defeating the government-dependent parasites.

By time for the truth

September 4, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

This is just extremely petty ungracious racebaiting by a surly and sullen black preacher who is probably some micky mouse ‘reverend who like most of his self appointed brothers have never seen the inside of a real academic seminary, nor done the usual eight years of rigorous training that catholic priests usually do.

“they are using their wealth to rape the community, not make it better.”

Talk about inflammatory rhetoric, this nasty old man is just trying to get his 15 minutes of racial spoils fame. Why cant blacks just accept that the world has moved on and left people like this man behind. They have NO right whatever to whine and bleat about this sort of thing. If this was a black fraternity they would be queuing up to get building jobs on the project. Because its white boys who have an affinity for southern heritage the screeching begins.

What this unsavoury black preacher is really saying is I dont these whites in my hood. Which is bigotry and racism. Anyone who denies this is a liar and a panderer!! Just as if whites turned round and said NO blacks in my hood please.

The Civil War happened 140 years ago - the USA is thankfully and happily night and day different. If blacks cannot and will not accept 140 years after the ghost of the blue and the grey have been laid to rest that there are folks who wish to simply celebrate some aspects of their honourable heritage in a tasteful and non threatening manner then sod them!!

By Jim Staten

September 4, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

zzzzz

By K

September 4, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

There’s a little more to the recent history of the fraternity. I moved to Athens fifteen years ago. At that time, KA’s Old South party was a little more than boys in beards and girls in hoop skirts. At that time, the frat boys would pay local black kids some small change to join their parade as slaves. We’d see these young kids paraded in pretend shackles down the street with white kids of privilege playing dress up. I’m sure this I don’t remember when the university made KA stop this practice, but I’m sure the Reverend remembers those times. I wouldn’t want them as neighbors either.

By Lee

September 4, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Maybe if our schools actually taught HISTORY instead of that watered-down, politically correct pap they serve up nowadays, a bunch of frat boys running around in Confederate uniforms wouldn’t be a big deal.

You will always see race interjected into any discussion as long as race pimps such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can make a buck off it.

BTW, $2.7 million for a house does not sound like it is in a “run down rental area.”

By time for the truth

September 4, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

dim jim

sod off!!!

you cant actually answer the points can you??!!

one other point - I read this story the other day in the multi culti ajc and the story was slanted toward the side of black bigotry and not on the legal and moral rights of the fraternity. if racial pandering continues in 2006 when will it ever stop?? if folks dont live together they will never ever get on!!

By Redneck Convert

September 4, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Well, the boys at Billy Bob’s voted to make Time for the Truth, Realist, and Ugotta Ornery Rednecks last night. I read some of the things the three wrote, and the boys agreed that even our hero Nathan Bedford Forrest might not say it as good. It’s a great privalege for them, and I hope they will come up and get their free Pabst Blue Ribbon. The boys did say Time has to lose the big words first. He sounds like Jim Earl after he put his head through the BBQ joint wall in that Harley axident. But the sentamint is right, and that’s what counts.

Even a reckon ball would be a big emprovment over what’s in that section of Athens now. So what if those frat boys like to dress up in the blue and gray and fly the Glorius old south flag? Don’t Those People have any sense of histery? It’s a free country. And they could be reminded of what this country would really be like if we had our way. It’s a sorry thing when we can’t get in a little dig at Those People now and then without some preecher raising cane.

So I say build that plantation house right smack dab in the middle of the blackest area they can find. And put some of those little statutes of slaves in the yard. It might rile a few people up, but that’s OK. It’s the redneck way. If this stuff keeps up, we won’t even be able to fly a Nazi flag in the Jew neyborhoods anymore.

By time for the truth

September 4, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

K

its easy to make such assertions on a blog -if true it tells you something about both the black kids who willingly participated and the frat boys themselves. this house is a long term permanent project, and that sort of unsavoury activity doubtless is a thing of the past, if it wasn’t you would NEVER stop hearing about it every time a story on this frat was written!!

By time for the truth

September 4, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

@ inbred redneck

your commments are almost as dumb as you are. you are just as as big a racebaiter as that nasty bitter reverend who is saying no whites in my hood!!

I suggest you snort an extra helping of crystal meth and slither on back to bed and let the clever folks debate issues that are way beyond your stump jumping, goat humping dumbarse

By Jim Staten

September 4, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

=<3(o)8>=

By Serita

September 4, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

You are just so full of crap! When will white people (especially middle class white men!)stop pretending that they are color-blind and that racism exist without racist? White racial attitudes in post-Civil Rights America tend to suggest there has been a profound change in society, you continue to hold an artifical image of racial progress. Yet, your stance is conjecture and upholds symbolic racism and Lassez-faire racism that affirms and protects white privlege. So, Mr. Wootnen, the day race is not an issue is the day white privilege disappears! An Avid AJC Reader!

By Jim Staten

September 4, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

<=3

By Pillsbury Doughboy

September 4, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Hello, just checking in from Augusta, and I guess I’m the only who thinks all fraternities should be banned from the University of Jawja, especially elite racist ones like the subject of this debate. I’m sick of hearing about them. They’re a bunch of spoiled brats who think it’s cool to pay people to hang out with you.

By time for the truth

September 4, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

extremely dim jim

you register your dissension with gibberish … yet cannot actually muster an argument or even one point. clearly you are a sad cowardly little dweeb!!!

nasty racebaiting serita - a truly wonderfully sophisticated name love - or is that just made up for on here?

poor little diddums - is your hatred of nasty white men still burning inside you love … try and get over it love … oooops YOU DONT WANT TO!!

the US is thankfully totally different to the way it was - but bitter bigoted/racist women like you are fabulous entertainment for clear thinking folks!!!

Yet, your stance is conjecture and upholds symbolic racism and Lassez-faire racism that affirms and protects white privlege

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA …. FREAKING HILARIOUS LOVE - as actual racism has thankfully all but disappeared (except in smallish mostly pretty localised pockets) you disgustingly invoke the black cloak of hidden racism or covert racism or whatever racial spoils bollox you’ve learnt from the master NYC bigots like Sharptongue.

I love winding your sort up love - its even better sport than liberals, because your visceral hatred is race based not ideological. Your empty racist assertions are magical entertainment - any chance of a few more witless posts like that!!

By getalife

September 4, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Wingnut madness

By Chip H

September 4, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Jim,

Maybe you and most of your readers should actually try to read history some time. Not a single reputable scholar, conservative, liberal or otherwise would deny that the south fought the civil war to maintain slavery. All this talk about heritage, dignity and pride are southern, white revisionist version of political correctness.

As a black person, any attempt to glorify and dignify a war fought to keep my ancestors as slave will be opposed and pointed out as racist hypocrisy.

Jim, would you be so supportive if a fraternity honoring Hitler and Nazi Germany wanted to build a fraternity house in a Jewish neighborhood?

By Dusty

September 4, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

There’s not much to comment on this morning.

I don’t think the world of academe needs fraternities or sororities.

I don’t like racism in any form. We’re the good ol’ USA, thank goodness.

I don’t like prejudice against the South. Since it is Labor Day, why don’t you take a day off, Red Necks? Rest up a bit.

I’m off to North Georgia for some big red juicy apples and boiled peanuts. Happy Labor Day!

By Sushi R People 2

September 4, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

One thing about the crock hunter. I never believed he was in any danger. I always thought the crocks were a two man costume with midgets inside. Just like the video of him scuba diving with sting rays would not have communicated the danger he put himself in. He should have digitized the rays, because underwater, you cant tell what’s cyber and whats real.

Like when Combat’s star Vic Morrow was killed by a real helicopter crash. There was no reason to have those real whirling blades in the shot. All that could have been added in later.

Foolish Waste. Where’s the supervision? Who will pay for this casualty now? How did this guy get any insurance to even have a show?

By SharonH

September 4, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Who in the world would want to see a fraternity house of drunken rednecks parading around in Confederate memorabilia celebrating their heritage of evil and oppression and ultimately their great defeat? When certain people quit trying to rewrite their shameful past and accept the truth of their heritage of evil and hatred then perhaps race won’t be interjected into every discussion. Until then, deal with it.

By GodHatesTrash

September 4, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Build it. Then have a big frat party. Roast some pigs and have a big big BIG bonfire.

Kappa Alpha - must mean TRASH in Greek.

By nikki

September 4, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

When you get to college, you shouldn’t have to deal with things like fraternities that are nothing more than rich kid cliques.

By Sushi R People 2

September 4, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

I’m with nikki. those frat boys should wave that flag often in that area of athens. Have a parade, even. go ahead and cavort like a bunch of Klueless Kluck Klucks . They’re all gonna look real funny with the flagstaff sticking out of their patriotic patoots!!!

By Just Browsing

September 4, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

If the KA chapter at UGA is anything like the one where I went to school, fight ‘em like hell. Who wants to live around drunken, spoiled, disrespectful twits. They may graduate from school and become sucessful and even respectable men; but during their college years they are world class jerks.

As for when will race cease to be an issue. When it ceases to be an issue. When the blacks complained it was ignored, when the whites complained an ordinance to ban frat houses in neighborhoods was passed. Curiously, it was passed just after KA had already filed its petition. so you tell me: When will race cease to be an isse?

By GSU Fratboy

September 4, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Being in a fraternity myself, and in a much more southern part of the state… I actually used to be appalled at some of the traditions and activites that the KA chapter at my school participates in. After learning about what the real traditions meant, I lowered my fences and took back some of the initial reaction I first had. Back in the 1980’s, when Greek Life was poorly regulated, as was much of the university system, there were instances that would cause race riots today. However, its not as if a bunch of rich white kids were going out in their pickup trucks and dragging black people by rope from the bed, they hosted parties and paid black people to play a role, something actors do all the time, albeit to a larger audience and for more money. Why is it not ok for what KA does on their own time, but its ok for these actions to be more harshly depicted in movies without much uproar? And I would be hard-pressed to find a single chapter of any fraternity in any state that still carries out these kind of events without the COOPERATION of blacks. If you accept the money, you accept the job. They no longer hire blacks to do those things at GSU, and I doubt they do it anywhere else either, but I guarantee it wasn’t because blacks didn’t want to participate anymore.

And to all those close-minded people who think of greek organizations as useless and merely a way to buy a social life… why don’t you go around and talk to some of the more successful organizations and see what Greek is really all about.

And another thing… why is there no uproar about all the black-only fraternities and sororities? Is that not discriminatory? I am told I cannot join Alpha Phi Alpha because of my skin color, so I join another fraternity and am chastised by the same people for participating in theme parties that they may not approve of. Nobody in this country is perfect, but why must white people have to accept a double standard while blacks get to be as hypocritical as they want because they are a minority? And this whole priviledge bull… my parents worked hard to give me “priviledge” and I see blacks with nicer things all the time, yet they never get accused of having the same image even though its obvious in music videos that they are probably more materialistic than anyone else in this country.

To agree with the other posters, I find it disgusting that a preacher of any skin color would say that integrating his neighborhood is on the same level as rape. He should be ashamed of himself and realize what kind of image he is bringing to himself, his neighborhood, his church, and his race. Talk about intolerance…

By Julia

September 4, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

I just have to ask what everyone responding to this would say if it was a black frat trying to build in a white rundown neighborhood and they were told they are not welcome. This reeks of the 50’s and 60’s when blacks were not allowed to buy in white neighborhoods, only now the shoe is on the other foot and we see the racist attitudes of the other side.

By Homey the homo

September 4, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Redneck Convert, hi love, you’re so right. And who knows, these mean people could prevent you from leading our annual Gay Pride Parade each year. It makes me giggle to see your hiney wiggle as you lead us along the way. You’re the best.

By Curious Observer

September 4, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

So Wooten and his ditto-heads are revealed for what they really are—racists trying to cloak their fanaticism under the veil of conservatism and the precious right to private property.

It’s hard to imagine a more divisive, insensitive stunt than putting up an Old South fraternity house—in the style of a plantation dwelling, no less—in a black neighborhood, complete with spoiled,immature, oblivious racists dressing in Confederate garb and flying a Confederate flag. Worse, they are backed by supposedly more mature racists with more money than brains. I was hopeful that we had moved beyond this kind of provocative trash in our race relations,leaving it to the unconverted KKKers.

I hope the administration of UGA won’t recognize this clique of reactionaries as any kind of a legitimate fraternity. It is a disgrace to an alleged educational community.

By @@

September 4, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Jim: This is a zoning issue, plain & simple.

Opposition should be addressed on compatability of zoning to the surrounding area, not compatability of races. Shute, I have neighbors in my area of my own race who I don’t find compatible.

By General Sherman

September 4, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Let me handle this, Mr. Lincoln. Boys, burn this abomination to the ground, with the traitors inside.

By SharonH

September 4, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

To GSU Fratboy, your point might have been made if you had not lied. There are no Black-only fraternities and sororities. All of the traditional Black greeks have White members. If you were denied(if you even applied in the first place), it’s for other reasons not your race.

By Julia

September 4, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

I can understand why this issue is offensive to some people. The question is whether or not being offended negates the rights and freedoms of someone else and where respect and responsibility for our neighbors enters in. I, among many, am offended by being subjected to the nasty, vulgar lyrics of rap music being blared on almost every street and in every parking lot around town. The people playing the music have the right to listen to this garbage if they want to, but they should be responsible in respecting the rights of other people not to be subjected to it. I think this issue needs to be addressed by the parties involved and a respectful solution worked out. All the name calling, racist remarks and attitudes, and general disrespect for fellow human beings does nothing to accomplish a solution.

By Michael Silly Savage

September 4, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

I think Greek societies are wonderful expressions of brotherhood and bonding for conservative males. The idea of skinny chicken-chested inbred southern boys in Confederate uniforms going through their initiation rites and rituals makes me tumescent in anticipation!

By J.J.

September 4, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

When are black people going to dy-no-MITE the carvings of Lee, Jackson, and Davis off St. Mtn? That great Confederate heroes are immortalized in granite has to grind your gears.

By Moved to Georgia

September 4, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

If you get out of Atlanta, you realize that racism isn’t en vogue anywhere else. And that white people in Atlanta aren’t the ones that are racist.

By Goosesteppers

September 4, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

This whole incident reminds me of the time when Heetler unt his frauline Teetler made fun of the Munich Munchkins at Der Leiderhosen Beer Festival in Berlin during Octoberfest 1938. The Munich Munchkins were a traveling Slap Dance Troupe very famous throughout der Hinterlands. They were almost through with their first number when Heetler jumped up unt did his own Leiderhosen Slapen Dancen and the place fell apart. That’s when Teetler grabbed a firehose and let loose on the poor dancers. A little water did manage to find it’s way onto Heetler. We never saw Teetler again after that. We still dont know what ever became of her. Anyway, this is just like that horrible, but lustig day.

By greeks r geeks

September 4, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

I spent 4 years as an undergrad at an out of state school & 2 years as a grad student at UGA. The greek organizations are really a bad joke. Mostly I see people with the personality of cardboard joining greek organizations. How else would they make “friends” or find dates if it weren’t for the drunken mixers. I just LOVE the “philantropy” angle they like to throw around every time the uselessness of these organizations is brought to light. Nothing like having a kegger to help celebrate themselves for helping out the “little special olympians” again this year! A little tip: if your greek dues are more then your tuition…YOU MIGHT BE A LOSER! Signed, GDI (God da**ed independent)

By Fascists Dawn

September 4, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

This entire incident reminds me of the time when Mussolini and his wife Pussolini stole secret pizza dough recipe of a Chef named Boyardi. You see there was this all-you-can-eat-buffet in the Barracuda Room of the Salamander Hotel in Florence……

By ghg

September 4, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Well said!!!

By Monarch Hames

September 4, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Secret organizations are reborn as college clubs. Racist take the homes of those their forfathers oppressed. Georgia becomes another Duke University - for the priviledged only. Quarter backs held back then replaced by the priviledged. Those who stand up are crucified - Andy, Cynthia, Bill. The flood waters of New Orleans wash the shame to Athens and Purdue.

By luckysnap

September 4, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

And they wonder why there is white flight!

By deh

September 4, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Two things: First, can anyone, anywhere explain to me why it is racism for whites to stereotype blacks, but it’s not when whites are stereotyped? I am not a racist…and to be perfectly honest, I greatly resent being thrown together with those who are. Sure, without doubt, there are some. But I sincerely believe there are far more whites who are not racist than who are, and I come from small town Georgia. Example: We go to all the home UGA games. Last fall, we watched a (black) kid going around among all the predominately white tailgaters asking for donations for a trip to ball camp. He had a sweatshirt on with a pocket in front which was stuffed with money. He seemed to be a good kid with a good attitude, and he was responded to in that manner…not as a “black” kid, but as a kid who people wanted to help. I saw no one being ugly or disrespectful to him. Maybe it was on my mind more, because this was also about the time of some ridiculous comments by blacks and whites alike about whether or not UGA fans would accept DJ Shockley as quarterback. Were there some idiots who hoped he would fail because of his race? I’m sure there were. But primarily, in the stands, people around me (yes, mostly white) liked DJ and greatly respected and appreciated him and were pulling hard for him to succeed. I know that I can’t understand what it’s like to be treated badly, not because of who I am, but because of the color of my skin. But maybe, just maybe, things are not always as they appear. Maybe being ignored by a white waiter or being snapped at by a white salesperson doesn’t always have to do with the color of your skin, but rather to the fact that he didn’t see you or is having a bad day and is treating everyone badly.

2nd and totally unrelated topic…Greek organizations. I was not in a sorority in college. My daughter was. My opinion before she joined was similar to many who have posted. Cliches, snobs, and the like. But, I had to eat my words. Certainly, there are some organizations that may fit that description. But not all. Her sorority was made up of normal, everyday girls. What it did for her was to help her transition from a small high school to a much bigger 32,000 student campus. It was a good experience for her, one that allowed her to find some good friends as well as to improve her leadership skills. So, maybe these two topics aren’t so unrelated after all. Maybe it’s really about how guilty we all are about jumping to conclusions about things we don’t know enough about and judging people we don’t even know.

By Traffic

September 5, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

Another article by Wooten about traffic congestion. Why do I get the idea that Mr. Wooten is the guy that always honks his horn during traffic jams? Honking your horn is a human trait that should be studied more. Just what do we think we are going to accomplish? Even if someone cuts us off, there’s no reason to honk. There should be no horn on a car, but the fact that there is a horn reveals something about being a human being. I dont know what that revelation is, nothing comes to mind, drawing a total blank here, cant even hazard a guess, I’m reaching, grasping at straws, still nothing, could it possibly be that we’re all morons?

By MC

September 5, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

My Lord, a discussion topic like this certainly brings the rednecks crawling out of the backwaters. And—imagine—this plantation-style fraternity structure being compared to blasting rap music. Structure, speakers—no difference to a racist.

By Dev

September 5, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Obviously you think it’s a good idea Mr. Wooten because you don’t have to put up with all the idiotic nonsense that KA stands for. As I graduate of GT, I had the opportunity of watching these clowns and their so-called rituals, such as hiring bums to pick cotton in the front yard and other stupid stuff.

It’s not as much about having a frat house in your neighborhood, but having any organization that would prefer to bring back ALL of the aspects of the pre-Civil war era. I myself like to be able to read books without the threat of being killed.

Maybe, Mr. Wooten, you need to open your perspective a little, and try and find out the reasoning as to why people are upset before jumping to conclusions.

And to GSU Fratboy, as a member of a black fraternity, there are white members in several black frats. Just because no one on your campus decided to join does not make your observations a universal truth.

By charleston05

September 5, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

I went to Georgia Tech also. The KA’s are the WORST. They are racist and sexist. It’s their way or no way. They go on and on about what gentleman they are, but are extremely degrading to women. The other fraternities are much nicer! I wouldn’t want them in my area either…

By nikki

September 5, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

What’s wrong with fraternities: let me see: George and george w in fraternity that controls the world. Secret societies wouldn’t have to be secret if they didn’t have something to hide

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Black racebaiting continues apace on here. Its bloody hilarious to behold and quite sickening. They dont answer the point about a VILE inflammatory micky mouse preacher talking of “rape” when white folks legally buy a run down house and plan to spend millions on the project. They dont answer the point about black reaction if whites screeched like this about blacks moving into a white hood - clearly all racebaiting hell would break loose.

The blacks and the liberals who have shamefully posted their vile bigotry on here need sneering at and need verbally abusing for their racism, their bigotry, their intolerance and their despicable hypocrisy!!

Clearly some blacks have NO desire to ever get beyond their racist, racial spoils mindset. If folks dont live together - at least in the same hood - then how will they ever get along?

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Nikki is obviously some paranoid drooling leftist moron who just posts deranged drivel to entertain the rest of us … cheers for the brief sniggers love!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

@timeforthetruth me thinks thou art full of manure

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

you sad stupid brainless cow!!

you are clearly incapable of thought,as your post shows!!

Christ, you even injected President Bush into a blog about ignorant vile black racism in GA!!

By KD

September 5, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

KA’s Old South traditions seem normal for those who have been raised in the south, but must seem bizarre to the rest of the country. KA would be wise to reach out to the black community around the new frat house, and perhaps water down Old South. UGA needs to urge the frat to do this, soon. Just imagine what the national press would do with this one - black boys in shackles…….yikes…..

By Realist

September 5, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Oh Jesus. where to begin. As everyone knows, yes I was, forgive me, AM a KA. It sounds like there is not only a lot of GDI’s (thats greek speak for someone not in a greek society) in here but also some plain old racists and haters of whites.

For those commenting here who have not been in a greek organization, we are hearing the same lame tired comments. “Buying friends, rich white boys, spoiled brats, drunks and rapist”. Its all said out of nothing more than jealousy, period. End of story. You can rant on and on but it still rings of nothing but jealousy. To hate the greek society is to hate the athletes, the student government, and the schools top academic achievers, because in these positions you will find greek members more times than not.

For now, I will leave you with this list of members of Kappa Alpha Order….but I will be back with more later. Plenty more.

Government

Carl Albert (Beta Eta) former U.S. congressman (Oklahoma)

Roy Blunt (Alpha Eta) U.S. congressman (Missouri)

J. Caleb Boggs (Beta Epsilon) former governor and U.S. senator (Delaware)

Rick Boucher (Beta Rho) U.S. congressman (Virginia)

Hugh Clegg (Alpha Nu) former assistant director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

William Clements (Beta Lambda) former governor (Texas)

Clark M. Clifford (Alpha Theta) former chief council to U.S. presidents Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy; former secretary of defense

Larry Combest (Gamma Chi) U.S. congressman (Texas)

Bart Gordon (Delta Lambda) U.S. congressman (Tennessee)

J. Edgar Hoover (Alpha Nu) former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Buddy MacKay (Beta Zeta) former governor and lieutenant governor (Florida); former U.S. congressman (Florida)

G.V. “Sonny” Montgomery (Beta Tau) former U.S. congressman, author of the G.I. Bill

Bill Owens (Delta Kappa) governor (Colorado)

Austin Peay(Omega) former governor (Tennessee)

Claude Pepper (Alpha Omega) former U.S. congressman (Florida); former U.S. senator (Florida)

Dean Rusk (Sigma) former U.S. secretary of state

Floyd Spence (Rho) U.S. congressman (South Carolina)

Military

Admiral Richard E. Byrd (Lambda) U.S. Navy, Antarctic explorer; Congressional Medal of Honor recipient

General George C. Marshall (Beta) former U.S. secretary of state; former U.S. secretary of defense; former general of the U.S. Army; author of the “Marshall Plan”; Nobel Peace Prize recipient

General Jack N. Merritt (Beta Eta) former leader of NATO

General George S. Patton (Beta) former commander, 3rd U.S. Army

By nikki

September 5, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

@timeforthetruth - well moo to you

I tell the truth. They were in fraternities that promote leaders. I don’t like fraternities or anything secret.

If I’m a cow what the H…. are you

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

why should they “water down” anything?

people like you are politically correct control freak trash who want to control anything they dont like/approve of!!

shouldn’t whites tell the micky mouse reverend Sharptongue to “water down” his racism and bigotry that has incited numerous murders in NYC?

By nikki

September 5, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Thanks KD for giving substance to my theory…….

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Everyone knows the kind of lives that African-Americans had during the antebellum period in the United States. We all know that they have many more opportunities available to them now. While I am not a fan of “pulling the race card”, I must admit that I am for the truth, no matter who it is for or against. The truth is that it is a rather “unwholesome” experience when one witnesses another making a mockery of past pains. I am all for history and culture. I think its great to observe the great things of the past. However, everyone would admit that there are some things that are just distasteful. What if there was:

Or even worse:

Would the banner of history and culture be appropriate in arguing for the “right” of one of those fraternities moving into YOUR neighborhood?

“Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?” Corinthians 11:29

By nikki

September 5, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

I am anything but politically correct. I march to my own music. I just don’t believe crap because some government frat boy says so

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Everyone knows the kind of lives that African-Americans had during the antebellum period in the United States. We all know that they have many more opportunities available to them now. While I am not a fan of �pulling the race card�, I must admit that I am for the truth, no matter who it is for or against. The truth is that it is a rather �unwholesome� experience when one witnesses another making a mockery of past pains. I am all for history and culture. I think its great to observe the great things of the past. However, everyone would admit that there are some things that are just distasteful. What if there was:

Or even worse:

Would the banner of history and culture be appropriate in arguing for the �right� of one of those fraternities moving into YOUR neighborhood?

“Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?” Corinthians 11:29

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

you are a very silly cow!! based on the evidence of your (continuing) witless posts!!

fraternities are NOT the issue here love - but black racism and bigotry in GA - which I note you unsurprisingly UTTERLY IGNORE!!

your continued paranoia is also hugely amusing.

Christ - you cant even type the word hell!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

poor old Victor - another simpering liberal who wants to control freak those he disagrees with.

so much for the legal right to legally buy a house where you want and the free speech of a few harmless frat boys!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

You made it the issue, whether it was intended or not. But that is your inflammatory nature now isn’t it. Unless Mr. Wooten has given you the power as a censor, I will keep up with my witless posts as you say. Besides it takes a twit to know a twit. Peace, LOVE

By Realist

September 5, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

First of all, the black boy in shackles comment earlier is PURE BS. Its a fairy tale. Never happened, at least not in the last 35 years. If it did, please reference the news story becuase something like that would be blown up huge in the press. Please point us to the news story referencing this event.

Its just another wives tale surrounding the mystique of KA. There are tons of them. The one I love the most is where some KA boys took over a city bus route and forced all the blacks to sit in the back. That was a classic. Or the one where this KA chapter in Kentucky planted a field of cotton and paid black kids from the neighborhood .15 cents a day to pick it for them, then the resold the cotton and made $10,000 for a huge party.

These stories are BS. KA is no different than any other frat. We have car washes and raise money for our charity Muscular Dystrophy. We have mandatory study halls to attend during the week. We have minimum grade requirements in order to be a member. We have mandatory work each member must perform in the community like habitat for hummanity and salvation army. And yes, we have huge parties, and thats all we get recognized for is the parties.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Victor

what the hell is an “african-american”?

I’ve never seen one anywhere in the USA. I’ve seen countless numbers of blacks of course!! Is that what you meant?

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

you truly are a brainless cow nikki …. I didn’t make anything an issue - a black bigoted preacher did!!

you still cannot answer the points I made about black racism/bigotry and black hypocrisy!!

YOU ARE A MORAL COWARD!!!

If whites racebaited blacks moving into their hood talking about “rape” you’d be screeching about white racism!!

this is why leftists like you are utterly despised - you have NO INTELLECTUAL HONESTY!!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

And as for the symbolism KA uses in its traditions and ceremonies, none of them are to represent slavery or war or hatred. The whole idea of old south came from some brothers at Mercer watching Gone with the wind and thought it would be cool to have a party and dress up like Gone with the Wind. Is that movie about hatred and racism and nothing more? Why not ban that movie?

The symbols of the confederate flag, the dresses and uniforms, the antebellum mansions, are all symbols of an era of hospitality and chivalry. The teachings of KA are very much about being chivalrous and honoring God and women. It has nothing whatsoever to do with blacks or slaves. NOTHING! The fact that there were slaves during that time should not mean we cant celebrate the good things about that time, and the good things were the chivalry and hospitality of the old south culture, period.

By JK

September 5, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

What kind of LOSER has to pay people to be their friends in college? Oh yeah, the kind that can’t figure out what to wear, what to drink, what to study, whom to date, where to go for spring break, or how to celebrate groundhog’s day without a consensus of their “friends.” Pppbbblllltttssssppppbbbblllpppppttttttt! Losers.

By charleston05

September 5, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

ummm…think you should check out the GT and UGA chapters b/c they are definitely NOT about respecting God and women. They frequently cuss in front of girls and talk about their “conquests”. I had a boy call me a whore there b/c he was so drunk that he didn’t even know who I was. he thought I was somewhat else.. After that, I never ventured back. Sadly, most of the fraternities with Northern men are much more polite and amicable towards women. And yes, I heard more than enough racist commments at KA.

By Marlon Spencer

September 5, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Hey Time for the Truth: Shut up! You sound like a dork!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

I don’t care about the race thing at all wonder boy. I DONT LIKE FRATERNITIES OR SORRORITIES and don’t think they are necessary. I leave the race thing to twits like you and the preacher.

By Honest Abe

September 5, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

I KNEW Realist was a pillow-biting, f* boy! I bet his Daddy even paid his dues! And that’s why he won’t serve his country either, he is a p@@SY!

By Honest Abe

September 5, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

I guess REALIST feels his military committment was fulfilled when he dressed up as General Lee and paraded through the f* house!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

I love it !!! You can almost hear the jealousy oozing from these venomous responses! HAHAHAHA!

Jesus people, let it go. It was years ago. Why hold on to all that jealousy and resentment? All those weekends alone with nothing but a computer chat room or a quart of Haggen Daz must have really been torture I suppose.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

feminazi JK is here at last!!

I saw the UTTERLY INFERIOR AMERICAN remake of the originally English made The Wicker Man on Friday. Given your rabidly misandrist (look it up) world view love. this would be a perfect flick for you.

Enjoy

By Political Foreskin

September 5, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

tftt: you dont have to swing at everything. We get it: You figured out how to type. Here’s a cookie.

Black Slaves fought for the North in the Civil War. SOme black slaves fought for the south, but the south was too proud to actually let them march in front of yankee cannon during an attack like the crackers did in droves. Thank god.

That was the confederate tactic, strategy, and mission: To spend all day finding the yankee cannon, and then all afternoon lining up in tight rows and marching directly into the cannon fire. (Gotta take issue with your tactics there, Robert E. Lee).

In our Revolutionary War, many blacks fought for the British. Why? Freedom from slavery, which would have been abolished had Britain won. Whites who fought for the British were called loyalists.

After the war, there was virtually no backlash against the white loyalists. Why? They were too busy rounding up the black loyalists, who got the full measure of our post war backlash against any loyalist.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

The better question JK is what kind of LOSER uses her college degree (Im guessing you have one since you are so informed about college and greek life) to do nothing more than bash men and government in a blog all day long, with very little positive to say about anything or anyone? Bitter much?

By TFTTTGAL

September 5, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

TFTT,

It’s time for your meds, or perhaps you need a colon cleanse or something. Either way, take a chill dude. Is it really that serious to you? Or do you have nothing else more productive to do?

Frankly, I’m getting sick and tired of you lumping ALL blacks into this made up, self-interpreted category. Dude, not ALL blacks perpetuate the behaviors that you describe. And thankfully, not ALL whites think as backwards as you do.

In reality, you’re nothing but a p**-ant, punk who hides behind this blog EVERY DAY!!! But I can guarantee you won’t mouth a word of this to someone’s face. Get a life and some pelotas, hombre!!!

By the way, don’t assume that I’m one race or the other. Because it doesn’t matter.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

unhinged foreskin

you have not been much missed - your latest bollux shows why!!

marlon - go jump under a MARTA bus!!

you cant even debate the points made on this topic!!

By Honest Abe

September 5, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

What separates the men from the boys at a frat house?

A crowbar!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Charleston05, On behalf of KA I want to apologize to you for what you went through. That is not condoned nor tolerated at any chapter. In my chapter, if any member or pledge had been heard talking like that to a young lady, he would have been taken behind the house for a “talking” too himself and a second offense would have gotten him blackballed. KA tries to be very picky in thier selection process but sometimes bad apples get through. From my experience those guys dont last long.

By Political Foreskin

September 5, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

In the latest series of exchanges, I have to give the point to Nikki and JK. They were informative, polite, entertaining, and they had that je n’est ce quois.

ttft/realist posted like the blog simple, helmeted short bus riders they truly are. they spew bile with every word, like they think vitriole itself is a premise.

Point, game, set, match: Nikki/Jk!!!!

Kneel, peel, spread and probe: ttft/Realist!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

@ the nutter who is stalking me

Very clearly I am NOT lumping ALL BLACKS into any kind of category - this kind of vile dishonesty is what makes you look like a complete lying wanker!!

I made it clear in most of my earlier posts that I was talking about racist/bigoted blacks and liberals on here, the hateful preacher and the racial spoils crowd.

Happily most (meaning less than 50%) blacks and liberals are not in the racial spoils crowd.

you pathetic hissy fit is hilarious and I thank you very kindly for the somewhat unexpected but welcome sniggers at your expense!!

NOW SOD OFF!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

unhinged foreskin is now actually even more unhinged than it was before the full frontal lobotomy!!

By JK

September 5, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Yeah, you got me. That’s it. I’m bitter because I didn’t get to ride on a horse in a hoop skirt and fantasize that some fat drunk guy was really Clark Gable who wanted to buy me the most vulgar ring in Atlanta. I never got over that. Please don’t reveal my pain to others. It’s too humiliating. HAHAHA! Thank you for being so chivalrous…. HAHAHA! and for honoring God and women. HAHAHAHA! Bless you, Sir! HAHAHA!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Happily most (meaning at least MORE than 50%) blacks and liberals are not in the racial spoils crowd

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

feminazi JK - have you looked up misandrist yet?

It sums you up perfectly!!

I imagine the only ring you wear is one looped through your nose!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Let me make it clear I don’t like the red hat ladies either

By Realist

September 5, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Tftt, It just hit me. Why those like JK and others here are so anti-greek. Its the selection process. I forgot, liberals arent big on anything that involves being screened out or judged on individual merits or abilites, but rather prefer blanket acceptance and inclusiveness.

I think it goes back to being left out by the other kids during barbie dolls or not being chosen during sports and having thier glassed broken during dodge ball.

smrik

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Forget about rights. Forget about legalities. Forget about freedom of speech and expression. Then think about how you’d feel as a black if a bunch of white guys moved in to your neighborhood who dress up in the uniforms of a culture that saw blacks as less than human and only good for servitude as slaves. Would you like it? Would you speak up about it? Would you maybe lose your cool and get a little over the top about it? Just maybe?

I’m right there with those who think the modern practice of political correctness gets out of hand more often than not, but jeez, people, don’t you see where this might just be a wee bit offensive? Do you honestly think that blacks should only care about the “teachings of (Kappa Alpha)…being chivalrous and honoring God and women…(and having) nothing whatsoever to do with blacks or slaves.”, as Realist says? Or even more incredibly, “… that there were slaves during that time should not mean we cant celebrate the good things about that time , and the good things were the chivalry and hospitality of the old south culture, period”? What, we can’t honor God, women, manners, hospitality, etc, without wearing and waving relics of a racist past?

At the risk of sounding like a liberal, this is truly one issue you should try and see through the other guys eyes.

By charleston05

September 5, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

REALIST Actually no one in the chapter even said anything…he was a junior or senior in the chapter at a time and no one would stand up to him…but I wasn’t the first girl he had done that to, so I didn’t take it personally. I don’t think all the guys were bad, I just don’t think they are about “gentlemen” they claim they are.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

@realist - you just keep telling yourself that sweetie. Yea everything is about sports and groups and the like. One day your sorry butt will have to do something on your own and then you will be in trouble.

By Marlon Spencer

September 5, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

time for the truth- Meet me at the station…and bring your mom

By Honest Abe

September 5, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Fact: 83 percent of fraternity members report experimenting with homosexuality

This is a number over 1300 times the regular non-fraternity member percent!

By James

September 5, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Actually, KA national does NOT allow chapters to fly the “Dixie” flag.

By Pete

September 5, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Hey Time for the Truth, It must really bother you that your obviously pea-brained comments are only recognized as Truth by Monkeys and Gorillas!

Victor, Nice Comment!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Realist

I am a travel agent and I have just sold feminazi JK a holiday to the Island of Lesbos in Greece - so she only hates some Greeks - the men!! She told me she has long dreamed of visiting the birthplace of Sappho - I didn’t have the heart to tell her that Sappho is but another Greek myth.

You’re right - these lefties are envious of anything they cant control and note how NONE of them actually debates the issue of the racist black preacher saying whites aren’t welcome here - they’re here to “rape” the community. But blacks/liberals sure are happy to twist actual comments to dishonestly and pathetically attempt try and make honest clear thinking folks look like the’re the racists for actually highlighting black bigotry/racism!!

THIS IS WHY LIBERALS and racial spoils blacks ARE SO DESPISED!! THEY SIMPLY CANNOT DEBATE HONESTLY!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

marlon … you pathetic little arsewipe!!!

and I note you still cant actually even debate the issue - or challenge me on my points.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

@timeforthetruth - okay its way past time for your psych meds. You aren’t enywhere near making sense anymore. Get yourself some counseling for all that hate.

By Answer Man

September 5, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

What is interesting here is that the neighborhood in question is no longer a black neighborhood. I’d be willing to guess that it is over 80% non black student rentals, most of whom are white, and that number is on the incline. I think it would be interesting to see the number of people in Rev. Rivers congregation who actually live in that neighborhood. Probably not very many. The point here is that the only thing black about this historically black neighborhood is its history. If KA doesn’t move in, it’s either going to be some other developer, more white students, or eventually, a business. I thought the house they proposed looked pretty nice. Assuming they keep it up, it could add some value to a rapidly reubuilding community.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

peebrained pete

if that’s the case dickweed - then actually tell me where I am wrong - challenge my points about black/liberal racial hycpocrisy. its easy to just emptily make moronic assertions as you constantly do on here!!

If I am so wrong - then shred my arguments effortlessly.

tell me how if whites said no to blacks buying a house and used “rape” to describe blacks moving into a white neighbourhood that blacks and liberals wouldn’t be screeching racism - but when blacks do this here there is a stony black/liberal silence.

the frat thing is just a lame excuse!!

if this frat steps out of line the whole liberal/black media machine would go into racial overdrive in denouncing them.

ALL people should be able to buy and live where they want with NO racial agendas being deployed.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

nikki I’ve told you before love you dont put condoms on your head … you look ridiculous - now take it off!!

and cheers for all the factual, logical argments you’ve deployed to counter my factual points about black racial hypocrisy!!! you and peebrained pete are on the same intellectual level!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

If you hurry, LOVE, they are still taking people in for the day at Georgia Mental Health. Maybe you need to go to animal control, you are kinda rabid……

By Pete

September 5, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Time For Truth to Shut Up Can you not come up with more Original Vocabulary than using my most fitting adjective? Pea-Brained is a perfect description of the size of your Brain.

I think there is something that can be done about that. Why don’t you take some time to research that instead of posting your ignorant comments.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Answer man, Dont bother these racist liberal rabble rousers with the truth or the facts. They simply want to convey that a bunch of rich white boys with shotguns and whiskey bottles are moving into an all black neighborhood and terrorizing women and children.

Do you people really think KA would WANT to move there if it REALLY WAS a black neighborhood? Do you think the selling price would be $2.7M if it were a run down BLACK neighborhood.

Use your heads people….you cant truly be that stupid.

By warning: off topic post

September 5, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

brief food for thought:

should we persue this source of oil?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4163472.html Tests may suggest big Gulf of Mexico oil discovery

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

winding up sad liberals cows like you is so easy - its one of life’s smaller pleasures -but still good fun!!!

I note your continuing stony SILENCE on the actual substantive issue of black racial hypocrisy -whilst you post more witless liberal abuse!!

and nasty smug liberals shouldn’t be poking fun at mental patients, so that also makes you a NASTY LIBERAL HYPOCRITE!!

By jbmlaw

September 5, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Good morning all, hope you all had a pleasant weekend.

I was not an undergraduate frat, although I was in a professional fraternity in law school. Never knew any frats too closely, and the frats at Vandy were nothing like the strange entities suggested in the blog. I don’t care whether anyone joins a frat or not, and I cannot conceive why this is such a big deal for the control-freaks on the left, other than their natural tendency to try to control people’s lives.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Let me see if I can debate on your non-sensical level: Yes we should be able to buy and keep property where we want to but YOUR government full of frat boys took the eminent domain stand cause they want to make money on real estate deals. How’s that

By jbmlaw

September 5, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

If we are to start profiling, let’s do it with those who threaten the kill rather than with fraternities.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

peebrained pete - sadly the online censor prevents a more robust, accurate description of you.

I note you still cant actually answer the substantive points - hypocritical leftist wankers like you are so easy to hammer on here!!

you get all uppity about white racism but when black racism emerges you SHUT THE HELL UP!!

HUGE ANTI-LIBERAL SMIRK

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

nikki - your paranoid idiocy continues apace - black racial hypcorisy is the issue here not eminent domain. they bought the house legally with NO local authority assistance!!

NOW YOU’RE A LIAR AS WELL AS STUPID!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

@timeforthetruth - I like it when you get mad. My job here is almost done

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

nikki - I am not the tiniest bit mad lovey - I’m just enjoying LMFAO at ya!!!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

None of this is about a house or a fraternity. Its about the squashing or stomping out of a groups culture. Notice the “reverend” was still p** off that the KA’s held their old south ball on tybee island. I guess he thought he had made the young white devil crackers see the light then realized all they were doing was appeasing him and his “community”.

We will never, ever, ever let anyone drive old dixie down. Try as hard as they may, it won’t happen. And it has nothing to do with blacks or slaves, it was our past, our ancestry, our culture, and as horrible as slavery was, we will not turn our back on all the good things about our culture and where we came from and act like it didnt exist just to appease the insatiable ever-grumbling ever-protesting black leadership. So preach on reverends, we aint listening.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Realist, long before Answer Man gave us the low down the neighborhood’s demographics, you and others had turned the discussion from real estate to the need for blacks to see beyond slavery and to understand why white Southerners celebrate the “good things” about the old South by waving Confederate flags and dressing up in its uniforms. I’m a white Southerner and to think that blacks should be understanding of such a practice is ludicrous and totally insensitive.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

@realist - what you are describing is the good old boy syndrome - the kind that keeps anybody not in the group down whether it be women, blacks, jews or whatever. I hope your parents are proud.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Alas Hadden Knough, it is not my charge in life to be an appeaser or sensitive to the never ending list of needs of blacks.

It is only my charge to follow the letter of the law, as KA is doing and will do, as stated in the ajc article. The construction is moving forward.

Now lets watch the future to see who tries to be a positive in that community and who keeps stirring up trouble. Wanna wager on who does what?

By Realist

September 5, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Nikki, Im a successful small business owner, a father, and a good husband. Yes my parents are quite proud.

And at my company I hire and employ blacks, jews or “whatever” so your arguement is as empty as your head.

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Time for Truth writes: “fraternities are NOT the issue here love”

Sir, you are only halfway correct. It would be more appropriate to say that “fraternities are not the ONLY issue”. Jim Wooten made two points in his commentary.

Wooten quote #1: “There’s nothing illegitimate about the fraternity, its costumes, rituals or heritage.”

Wooten quote #2: “Ah, that I will live to see the day that race is not invoked in every dispute where skin colors differ, and simple little zoning disputes are simple little zoning disputes.”

It is obvious that he made not only the fraternity, but its costumes, rituals, and heritage the issues (plural). He went on to relegate the offensiveness that is seen in the whole matter as “simple little zoning disputes”.

I am not going to resort to inflammatory remarks or name calling (i.e. “silly cow”) to add substance to my arguments. Nevertheless, take note that I am man enough to post under my REAL name. I am game for ANY intellectually stimulating debate. So let’s keep it civil. Your turn. :)

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Realist, so now you are changing the discussion back to real estate and “the letter of the law”? Okay, they have a right to buy the property and build anything on it that meets the zoning requirements. You are still wrong otherwise.

By Al

September 5, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

I understand how putting the chapter house in the community will affect the community. It is about perception which is something America as a whole has never gotten over. Many ethnic groups associate certain things with bad times in their past. World War II is over buy whom would display a swatika in their front yard today. Putting the house in that neighborhood overlooking a Black community is the same effect. I believe that maybe they should have researched the community more before picking that site. Now that they have though, I believe that they should sell it possible to the community as the market value that they bought it for and the community can help them find another site. One gesture of good will on both sides can go a long way. Do I think this will happen, I don’t know, but I can hope.

By KBoog

September 5, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

TimefortheTruth— embittered, rejected, physically and socially unappealing to most, under-achiever by modern socio-economic standards, male between the ages of 19-32. classic.

I do sessions for individuals like yourself at a very competitive rate. I’ll even give you a discount.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

You hire them to look good not because you want to My head is not empty - its tired of two faced good old boys like you

By Realfake is lying again

September 5, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

He is a paid hack to post on this blog.

Cons never tell the truth.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Realist, so now you are changing the discussion back to real estate and “the letter of the law”? Okay, they have a right to buy the property and build anything on it that meets the zoning requirements. You are still wrong otherwise.

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Time for Truth writes: “fraternities are NOT the issue here love”

Sir, you are only halfway correct. It would be more appropriate to say that “fraternities are not the ONLY issue”. Jim Wooten made two points in his commentary.

Wooten quote #1: “There’s nothing illegitimate about the fraternity, its costumes, rituals or heritage.”

Wooten quote #2: “Ah, that I will live to see the day that race is not invoked in every dispute where skin colors differ, and simple little zoning disputes are simple little zoning disputes.”

It is obvious that he made not only the fraternity, but its costumes, rituals, and heritage the issues (plural). He went on to relegate the offensiveness that is seen in the whole matter as “simple little zoning disputes”.

I am not going to resort to inflammatory remarks or name calling (i.e. “silly cow”) to add substance to my arguments. Nevertheless, take note that I am man enough to post under my REAL name. I am game for ANY intellectually stimulating debate. So let’s keep it civil. Your turn. :)

By Al

September 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

I understand how putting the chapter house in the community will affect the community. It is about perception which is something America as a whole has never gotten over. Many ethnic groups associate certain things with bad times in their past. World War II is over buy whom would display a swatika in their front yard today. Putting the house in that neighborhood overlooking a Black community is the same effect. I believe that maybe they should have researched the community more before picking that site. Now that they have though, I believe that they should sell it possible to the community as the market value that they bought it for and the community can help them find another site. One gesture of good will on both sides can go a long way. Do I think this will happen, I don’t know, but I can hope.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Had enough

are you actually saying then that blacks are not tolerant and should be encouraged in their intolerance. are those folks who re-enact the Civil War intolerant or bigots?

the notion of southern gentleman and chivalry and the nobler aspects of a byegone age is what I understand this frat is about. in a supposedly tolerant society surely blacks should be as accepting of what a tiny number of folks want - within the law as non-blacks should be of what blacks want - within the law. Different strokes and all that. The current GA flag as I understand it is a copy or quite close copy one of one of the early Confederate flags? If I’m wrong about the state flag please tell me.

There is NO triumphalism that I am aware of in building this house - the decison to move being forced on them by the lefties at UGA. It is a very mixed hood as well.

Clearly the cultural and historical heritage and pageantry of the Civil War days will persist for a long time - on both sides. There’s nothing wrong with this. Many millions of kolks respect what their ancestors did - regardless of the outcome and motives for the conflict - which in this instance is largely irrelevant to the issue of simply having a frat house.

Its the black bigotry from this nasty bigoted preacher - and the hypocritical bigotry of several leftists/blacks on here that I find repugnant!! They are simply saying we will only tolerate what WE ALLOW!! And sod your family/cultural heritage!! But if whites screeched “rape” and other things about blacks moving in to an all white hood the screeching would be endless!!

This is moral fascism!!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Ok Hadden Knough. Im wrong in your eyes. I guess its a good thing you arent my judge huh?

And I will repeat, want to place a friendly wager on who reaches out and tries to be a positive in the situation and who fuels the fires of hatred and division?

By JK

September 5, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

In the spirit of charity and community good will, the brothers of the new KA house will be holding an intensive DODGE BALL clinic for the neighborhood children, lest they grow up to be embittered. liberal adults from being chosen last during recess. Bless you kind Sirs! Hahahaha! You’re TOO GENEROUS! {:-D

By nikki

September 5, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

After looking close, realist would have been a carpet bagger in the old days

By Markus

September 5, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Wow the stench of liberal socialist wallet envy is strong today. Whew!

Awe. Liborats don’t like (white) fraternities because they are “rich boys” networks. Notice how you don’t hear a queef out of the bedwetters on Clark Atlanta University and their fraternities.

It all goes back to the “exclusive” aspect of white boy fraternities. The loonbats are envious. The loonbats are angry because they can’t control them. The loonbats despise anything that is not 100% accessable to everyone. Awe. Somebody get me a tissue. [sniff]

This is the same horseass liberal crybaby mentality that they share on gated residential neighborhoods. It’s just not fair that people can live behind a fence that keeps out everyone else. It’s just not fair that those who want to drive on those streets are prevented from doing so. Now I’ve done it. AWE. Someone get me a bed… I gotta go throw a tantrum then pee all over it.

Oh, GET OVER IT loonbat liberals. The world JUST ISN’T FAIR TO EVERYONE.

These mindless myrmidon liberals will use things like race and other separatist demographical divisions to further their causes of “equality for all.” (Except when non-white males want to be exclusive). Just another step on that yellow brick road to liberal socialist Utopia.

Hey Al “Convenient Lies” Sore! Howz your end-of-the-world macdaddy hurricane season whipping along so far?

Liberalism- indoctrinating one unused mind at a time

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Victor … nikki is a sad cow - just look at her posts! :) not one attempt to actually debate any substantive point I made about the racial aspects of all this.

I posted quite explicitly what I considered the debate to be about -and framed it thus, quite explicitly. Your post is fine within the context you cited. But you dont really appear to be saying anything of note. I looked beyond that to the wider issue of black racial hypocrisy. Which is undeniable here!! Points which you seemed very conveniently to ignore again!! Clearly there is also an unspoken agenda here of at least minimising - or worse - the frat’s very existence. They are entitled to do whatever they want within UGA regulations and USA laws.

Point #2 I obviously agree with - which is why I wrote earlier about how if folks dont live together they will never get along!

point #1 is obviously fair enough too.

my apolgies for being civil - I’ll try not to do that again :)

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

In the spirit of charity and community good will, the brothers of the new KA house will be giving free beer to the “street” people of the neighborhood and letting them all come around on Fri, Sat, and Sun morning to dumpster dive and take all the alumunim cans they can carry. At least thats what we did :)

By Markus

September 5, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

If idiot liberals REALLY cared about snuffing out Civil War memories, they’d be out in full force protesting reinactments around the nation.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Time for the Truth, I’m not inclined to keep repeating myself. If you are so inclined, you may re-read all my posts above to get an idea of what I’m really saying. If after that you still think I’m preaching intolerance to blacks, then I’m either a bad writer or you see what you want to see.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Thats right Markus. They failed miserably in thier fight against Augusta National now they are targeting fraternities hoping that some how the frats association with a state school might lend them some strength or power to extort. NOT SO. The fraternities stand on thier own and are backed by many Alums sporting hefty bank accounts.

BOINK!! There’s another dodge ball welt for ya!

By Political Foreskin

September 5, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Realist/Timefortheturd are the haters, and everyone knows it. You little boys post bile all day and then you always eventually realize that I set you up. (that you fell for it again, and you tone it down, but always the next day, when it dawns on you what easily manipulated reactive sphincters you are. I love it. What fall guys. Bwa).

Now you’ve held out pretty well today, and you do get credit, but lets face it: If I wanted to, I’d trick you two blocked colons into a rant so vile that Ann Coulter would object.

You’re out-classed, out-blogged, out-thought, and….outed.

it’s lunch time. I shall return, and maybe you get a pass, maybe you dont. Depends on the service in the restaurant. You better hope I get an industrious hooter’s girl, boys.

sha na na na

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

had enough

I already “got” what you wrote mate - but still dont agree with your seeming white guilt “spin” on things - given the points I made to you. You’re being very selective! which is entirely your right.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

How can they protest civil war battle re-enactments when they stage “lynching” re-enactments. Want to talk about morbid and senseless? Keep the hate alive brotha’s! Power to the people!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

unhinged foreskin has obviously been very busy recycling its own (unfiltered) imbecilic kool aid (gedditt??)

By White Jesus

September 5, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Jim,

You’ve succeeded again in making a non story something that brings out the worst in blog land! Congratulations!

How much do you all want to bet that gas prices will be 2.00/gal by November? How about the two gas stations playing “price war” over the past week? 15 cents in 7 days? Gas bought at 2.33/gal and sold at 2.65 before the price war? I could have sworn the stations had no control over the price and only made profits from what was sold inside.

White Jesus loves you all!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Tiny Foreskin, You get OWNED in here everyday. To think otherwise is foolish son.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

time for the truth, i’m really a guy and i think your cute

By bugger

September 5, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

The Tom Cruise apology to Brooke Shields story is about 5 days old now. How long until the AJC drops it off the Web site?

By VERITAS

September 5, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

When the United States finally becomes Balkanized and the Stars and Stripes is relegated to the ashbin of history and failed ideas, somewhere the Confederate Battleflag will be flapping in the breeze over those who will yearn for a return to the dream the Founding Fathers had in 1776.

May it fly forever !

By VERITAS

September 5, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

When the United States finally becomes Balkanized and the Stars and Stripes is relegated to the ashbin of history and failed ideas, somewhere the Confederate Battleflag will be flapping in the breeze over those who will yearn for a return to the dream the Founding Fathers had in 1776.

May it fly forever !

By VERITAS

September 5, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

When the United States finally becomes Balkanized and the Stars and Stripes is relegated to the ashbin of history and failed ideas, somewhere the Confederate Battleflag will be flapping in the breeze over those who will yearn for a return to the dream the Founding Fathers had in 1776.

May it fly forever !

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

nikki goading you is effortless - I spotted immediately that you weren’t a female - you would have reacted to the cow quip - most genuine liberal cows do, and get real uppity!!

By Markus

September 5, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Anything bedwetting liberals don’t like or agree with (means Conservative thought) they label as “hate.” This is one of the many steps that the American cancer of liberalism is trying to take to quell all opposing thought to their horseasses. Fascist nazis.

By Athens Res

September 5, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

As an Athens resident, I will echo what Answer man said above. That neighborhood isn’t really what it used to be. Prince Avenue is being refurbished and its trickling towards Broad. The apartments that the fraternity bought appear to be mostly students, and there have been a lot of remodels and new houses popping up that seem to be rentals as well. I wouldn’t want a fraternity in my back yard, but the students renting these houses live similar lives to those of the fraternity members and they may not mind having them there. They may even stop by a party or two. In my opinion, this is all much ado about nothing. I think the Reverend sees the writing on the wall that his dwindling congregation may soon find itself without a church and this is a knee jerk reaction in order to keep that from happening.

By next

September 5, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

@timefortruth - you must be southern baptist too

Im pentacostal - we get more exercise

By White Jesus

September 5, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Realist,

Actually the lynching reenactment was for a purpose. A horrible crime was committed, and justice has never been served. In order to shed light on the crime that was swept under the rug, they used shock value in reenacting that horrific event.

I also know a few KA members in my field, they are not racists. But they do know explanations are required when talking about their fraternity. My best friend in college was a “snake” though..and they had an urban myth about a song lyric …”there will never be a n*a in the NU” That required an explanation too.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Thats right Markus. Its why we musnt back down. We musnt appease. Just as KA is doing, we must move forward and not cave to these lunatics and thier racism.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Athens res, If you know frat houses then you know that first thing (usually as early as 5-6am) the pledges are cleaning up every single spec of garbage. At any frat house I have ever been to you would be ill pressed to find even a gum wrapper on the ground. That is what being a pledge is all about. Picking up trash and working your a* off while the brothers kick back and drink a beer and watch you sweat and work.

If anything, this KA house will clean up the area. Now noise, thats another issue. We used to do work for our neighbors for free (mow lawn, take out trash, wash cars) in exchange for leniency thurs-sat with regard to the noise. Its all about reacing out and getting to know the neighbors,which Im sure KA in athens will do.

There really seems to be no issue here except with our young militant reverend whats his name. I dont doubt you are on the money about his real concern being his dwindling collection plate.

By Honest Abe

September 5, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

F*-boy realist is still posting? What is daddy paying your rent while you find yourself? Why don’t you enlis? Then you can defend something other than playing dress-up and blatant homosexuality.

By ashamed to be from ga

September 5, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

You people are frightening

By Realist

September 5, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

honest abe, To be “honest”, im sitting in my office as we speak, having jsut had the best sales month in my companys short though sweet history. As for mom and dad, I think they are in Belize this week. Im not sure. They are retired and travel a lot. I plan to do that when i retire around 45.

Have a good day.

By getalife

September 5, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Now we will see the cowards cut and run

Thank you Mr. Murtha!

By Honest Abe

September 5, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Yes, I’m sure you’ve had a free 4 hours to blog. But guess what, any salesperson knows today is the first day of the new month, which means you have to meet quota. So I don’t buy you little story - because sales folks take the end of months off AFTER making quota - not the beginning of new months!

But nice try, now take off your General Lee custom, go upstairs from the basement and have your mommy make you a sandwich while you text message your boyfriend.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

No white guilt here, Time for the Truth, just common sense. The relics of the Confederacy belong in museums. The teaching of American and culture history belongs in schools and on bookshelves. Instilling manners, civility, a love for nature and the outdoors, an old fashioned respect for women that is sadly lacking in today’s society, and a desire to know and serve God falls to the family.

By LMAO!

September 5, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Realist what is the name of your “company”?

LMAO

By Realist

September 5, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

Yes honest abe, I admit, Ive grown addicted to this blog and enjoy fighting with some of the pathetic liberal panty waste types. On the other hand, it has been quite stimulating and I have actually learned a lot from some of the posters (no, not you, sorry).

On another topic, I am not a salesperson. I spent years in med technology sales before starting my own company. I employ a small sales staff, but again you are incorrect, obviously Friday the 1st was thier first selling day of September.

Have a good day.

By Whatever

September 5, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

This is not about race, skin color or heritage. It is about respect. Attention southerners “YOU LOST THE DAMN WAR, NOW GET OVER IT!!” What is the significance of constantly re-creating the battles, the costumes, etc. It is a part of history that most southerners would want to forget, but they are not racist, it’s heritage. Funny, I don’t ever see anyone re-creating the part when Turner ran thru South Carolina beheading all the plantation owners.

By GodHatesTrash

September 5, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

I see that Annie Wooten’s posse is here today - the Woo-ten KKKlan

These pages are a haven for those inbred morons that call themselves white supremacists - the AJC should be proud.

Filth.

By Julius

September 5, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

KA will definitely be a tremendous upgrade to that neighborhood, and entice others to move there.

KA is definitely not Animal House. These guys are generally polite, law-abiding and the kinds of guys you’d want your daughters to date.

The only racism I detect is from the race-hustling, Al Sharpton wannabe “reverend” who’d rather have the house lived in by crackheads and bums than some white boys who live by a code of honor and duty.

By Call me Mr. Tibbs

September 5, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Funny, I don’t ever see anyone re-creating the part when Turner ran thru South Carolina beheading all the plantation owners.

OJ celebrated it for us.

By why

September 5, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

@ajc why do you let this go on?

By Jeff

September 5, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Yea… KA is such a great neighbor… they were the ones a few years ago who were caught hiring african-americans to pick cotton in their yard during a southern heritage party. Support that racism, Jimmy!!

By PhatFarm

September 5, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

If a Phat House wuz movin in da hood, with the African flag waving, with posters of Malcolm X and Tupac all over the place, and big butted sisters shake’n booty, I bet the reverend do-gooder wouldn’t say a word.

By PhatFarm

September 5, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

If a Phat House wuz movin in da hood, with the African flag waving, with posters of Malcolm X and Tupac all over the place, and big butted sisters shake’n booty, I bet the reverend do-gooder wouldn’t say a word.

By leave me out

September 5, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

If any of these post represent Southern Chivalry we are in deep do. Our country is different now and so is the makeup. Not mostly black, not mostly white. Big mix. Get over yourselves.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

@Jeff

Where are the news stories about this event? I mean surely something so evil would have received national press. WHERE IS IT?

It doesnt exist because it did not happen. Its lie after lie after lie. Its all you people work with is lies and violence and extortion.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

When your accusations include the phrase “you people”, you could be a racist.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

The so-called racism that goes on in KA, at least for the last 20 years, has been limited to a handful of incidents surrounding halloween parties and “mixers” where students arrived wearing inappropriate attire resembling or mimicking a black person. In many of these cases, the kids werent mocking blacks, but imitating and idolizing them. Many of the costumes were that of famous rappers and entertainment personalities, but grew criticism due to the history and repuation of KA. Had it been any other fraternity, it wouldnt have been a big deal.

So get your facts straight before perpetuating these lies and falsehoods. And also, keep in mind these are 18 year olds who dont always use the best judgement or sensitivity, but it damn sure doesnt make them a racist or white supremecist!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

the pond scum lefties/blacks are just endlessly repeating the same old despicable racebaiting bollux on here. they have NO facts or logic to support their empty arguments - just the odious race card.

they simply cannot tolerate anyone who differs from them - or wishes to honour the Confederate past in an honourable non triumphant way.

how’s that sex change going nikki - decided on a final gender yet?

huge smirk

By Light Bulb

September 5, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Here’s an idea:

All of this was caused because UGA evicted 5 fraternities because the needed the land for other uses. They are relocating the 5 affected fraternities as well as a couple others to land owned by the University on River Road. Why not leave the fraternities where they are now and build whatever was going to be put where they are now on the land the University is going to give them on River Road. Problem solved. UGA gets its new buildings. Frats stay put. Church is happy. I think this makes sense anyway. The campus is expanding in an Eastward direction, which is demonstrated by the new Ramsey Center and East Campus Village.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

@timefortruth - listen you old fool - Past is just that past. We are in a new day, there aren’t just whites and blacks, there are many races and if you want to be gentlemanly and chivalrous, you don’t have to wear a damned uniform or carry an old flag. Just do it.

For the record idot I am a woman and you are a fool.

By Old Plainsman

September 5, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

In the early 90’s, some students at Auburn University started protesting in earnest the KA Old South Day parade for its racist overtures. In response, posters went up around campus with a picture of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The caption read, “One dream, one bullet.”

By Bill

September 5, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Whether the organization is referred to as AKA or KA, our Constitution still gives them a right to exist.

There are organizations in todays’s society that many of us would and do condemn directly or at least indirectly criticize the members for either their purpose or goals for their membership.

But, at the end of the day, if they stay within the laws that govern us then they still have a right to exist.

I personally do not agree with the ‘general’ KA message that this is just a recognition of our heritage - I am also not a member of KA.

I was a member of another fraternity at Georgia and do believe that the Greek system can provide a strong support network to its members. They choose to belong to their organizations.

This should not be a racial issue but a zoning and development one. This is a big change to the character of the neighborhood - absolutely. At the same time, the organization legally purchased the land outright under the current zoning regulations and laws that were in effect. If you disagree with the laws and zoning, then that is where your effort should be placed.

KA seems to be making a very proactive effort to be a good neighbor. The response they are getting could be characterized otherwise.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

But dear Nikki, What if you WANT to carry an old flag and wear a uniform, and not hurt anyone or disturb anyone? Isnt that your right, just as much as it would be your right to peacefully protest it? This is the problem. Most of the freedom marchers are marching for freedoms for themselves, while stealing the freedom of others. Its facism and hypocrisy at its purest.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

and you are a silly cow nikki!!

all around the world love, folks honour their ancestors - they might not approve of all they did e.g. Germans, Serbs, Japs, Chinese, Russians, white American liberals, Rwandans, Ugandans, Colombians, Cubans etc -but they honour them. You are obviously a very judgemental old hag which absolutely is your right of course! And I implicitly respect that right!

Now FINALLY tell us what you think about the black preacher’s blatant inflammatory racial hypocrisy!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

You can hide behind your blogs, but i know what you are. Take the sheet off your face boy its a brand new day.

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Come on people, let’s reason EFFECTIVELY here! In my earlier post, I reiterated the John Wooten quotes which (much to the chagrin of “Time for Truth”) are the original and therefore relevant topics of discussion. Its obviously an exercise in futility to argue the legality of the frat house or to debate the rights of these guys to reenact/say what they want, party, drink, play, live, breath, etc. That isn’t the issue. Just because something is “legal” doesn’t necessarily make it right, just, or as many have confusingly termed “honorable”. Abortion is legal. Is it honorable? I’m sure that my “conservative” friends would say absolutely not! I’m not going to go so far as to argue this from a biblical standpoint (although I challenge anyone to ACCURATELY find a biblical foundation in favor of the confederate celebrations). I am a huge proponent of free speech. Say what you will! However, let us not confuse legality with honor.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

old plainsman

that ‘slogan’, if this actually happened, is simply a reworking of the infamous BLACK RACIST slogan adopted by the PAC … “one settler -one bullet”. Obviously such a slogan aimed (pun intended) at MLK the thesis cheat and serial adulterer was unsavoury and should be condemned.

your very selective race baiting is quite nauseating!!

By Alice in wonderland

September 5, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

“The new propaganda strategy is right out of Alice in Wonderland. If we leave the country that had nothing to do with 9/11, then 9/11 will happen again.”

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

but i know what you are. Take the sheet off your face boy its a brand new day.

clearly this sad cow nikki is just another dishonest leftist racebaiter!!

you simply cant debate - so you just hurl despicable abuse and then get uppity when its mirrored back at ya!!

By Political Foreskin

September 5, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

I’m watching Sharapova play Li in a rebroadcast of yesterday’s US open quarterfinals. I’ve got it bad for Sharapova. Her neck alone makes her the most beautiful woman that ever lived. She cant do anything but be a goddess out there on the court. Maybe the greatest ever. If she wins this year’s Open, then sports hierachy is #1: Maria Sharapova…..#2: Tiger Woods…..#3: Ty Cobb (invented the Cobb Salad)….#4: Michael Jordan……#5: Paris Hilton (strip poker champ 15 years in a row)….#6: Realist (invented the Tossed Salad, and is real handy with a salad shooter)

By nikki

September 5, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

The only thing you hurly is manure which makes you a cow. I’m not uppity. Does KA stand for kiss a*?

By Realist

September 5, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

What i heard regarding the Auburn story (i have many friends from the Auburn family) was that the MLK posters were nothing but a smear tactic devised by the very ones protesting Old South. See these people will stop at nothing to garner support for thier empty cause. I was told it was known fact that the radical black student union put the posters out themselves, but it got no press or coverage. Go figure.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Vic baby …

its actually Jim Wooten - but no worries - he’s been called far worse than that on here.

the biblical standpoint aspect has bugger all to do with this. its the black racial hypocrisy evinced by the hateful micky mouse preacher that’s directly at issue - plus the wider issue of control freakery by the pond scum left/blacks- (not all blacks or lefties of course). You have to qualify that because there are moronic neanderthals on here who are unable to glean/infer that such statements dont apply to every single black/lefty in the USA without it being explicitly stated every damn time!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

nikki - your hormones seem to be in a very (being polite) tetchy state right now - please watt to post again until that’s past.

cheers love!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

nikki - your hormones seem to be in a very (being polite) tetchy state right now - please wait to post again until that’s past.

cheers love!!

By nikki

September 5, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

“I was told it was a known fact” You are a mental giant aren’t you? hahahahahahaha

By Light Bulb

September 5, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

This light is on today folks…

The University could also save the $15 million or so of taxpayer money it is going to spend moving these fraternities if it just built its new buildings on River Road and left the fraternities where they are. I wonder how many Georgians want to spend $15 million to move 5 frats when our state is in the bottom percentile of public education.

By Tacitus

September 5, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

I’m force fed an annual holiday for a womanizer, plagarist and probable communist like MLK, but not supposed to honor my ancestors and their fight to support the ideals of the Founding Fathers?

Give me a break !

This country has gone from the melting pot to the chamber pot !

By Tacitus

September 5, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

I’m force fed an annual holiday for a womanizer, plagarist and probable communist like MLK, but not supposed to honor my ancestors and their fight to support the ideals of the Founding Fathers?

Give me a break !

This country has gone from the melting pot to the chamber pot !

By Old Plainsman

September 5, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

In the interest of fairness, I will try to imagine black students defiling Dr. King’s image with such a caption, printing it in a small town without being discovered, and posting it around campus without being noticed by the 90% white student population. I will also try to imagine that the KA gentlemen found the poster offensive, and not in the least bit funny, in the interest of being fair. Quiet please. I am trying.

By michele

September 5, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

if this were a black fraternity wanting to build in a white area & they were denied they would have the NAACP, ACLU and all those other groups on their side

why do costumes and rituals from the civil war era upset blacks? were the blacks living now slaves? do they know any living slaves?

that part of Athens should be grateful that someone anyone wants to help revilize that area and with their own money

let the “good old boys” of KA build a frat house where they want and leave them alone

By SCGamecock

September 5, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

To GSU Fratboy,

I’m not sure of how they do it in GA, but I’ve been a member of A Phi A since 1998, and my chapter (Theta Nu, Univ of SC) has welcomed our share of White brothers into the organization. So if you were told that, whoever told you that was WRONG.

By SCGamecock

September 5, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

To GSU Fratboy,

I’m not sure of how they do it in GA, but I’ve been a member of A Phi A since 1998, and my chapter (Theta Nu, Univ of SC) has welcomed our share of White brothers into the organization. So if you were told that, whoever told you that was WRONG.

By nikki

September 5, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

must be a sorrostitute.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

old plainsman

clearly you’re a bit of a moron!!

I am NOT a KA member. I merely defend their free speech and equal housing rights.

The dig at MLK was unsavoury - if??? it occured as you say it did.

I note unsurpringly that you UTTERLY IGNORE the BLACK RACIST SLOGAN from which it originated … quite please I am waiting for you to actually address that!!

“ONE SETTLER - ONE BULLET” … any comment - willing to condemn this black racism??!!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Well you see Plainsman, there were actually witnesses who saw two different white females, who were later identified as “friends” of the black student union, haning the posters. I agree, it would be hard, black or white, in a town so small, for anyone to put those posters all over and nobody see anyting. Indeed, someone did see something, but it got no press coverage and was swept under the rug. Do you think if those witnesses had identified to KA’s we wouldnt read about it in every rag in the land?

Keep trying ok. Maybe eventually you will attempt at getting to the truth and not just accept everything you hear/read as truth. ISnt that what college is supposed to be about afterall?

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

I seem to recall that the Confederacy was beaten. Lincoln took the view that the defeated states had never left the Union in order to speed their re-entry into the Union and facilitate reconciliation. It could be argued that this in effect made it a true civil war (as opposed to a war between nations) and therefore its leaders were guilty of treason. Regardless, these leaders were lucky they weren’t all hung. Sad to say, maybe they should have been hung along with the outlawing of Confederate symbols and venerations. This probably would have required that Reconstruction and Union occupation continue well into the 20th century, but maybe everyone would have gotten it out of their system and we wouldn’t be having a argument about the need to celebrate the “good” traditions of the tired Old South. What we should be celebrating is the new United States that resulted and how its traditions have shaped the world for the last 140 years. Imagine how different those years and our present would have turned out if the South had won.

By Joe

September 5, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Just an observation: Time for the truth and realist are the only ones who are name-calling and making other juvenile comments.

Now for my takes.

On the Confederate flag: How many United States Soldiers were killed by someone flying that flag vs. the number killed by flying the flag of the USSR? So why is one who flies the latter branded a traitor? Furthermore, if those who want to fly that flag understood that it’s not slavery that upsets many Black people (like me) off; rather, it’s the use of that flag from the 1890s to the 1960s and beyond. It’s the use of that flag in lynchings and enforcing Jim Crow. It’s having states throughout the South incorporate that flag into their state flags as a sign of solidarity AGAINST integration. So don’t try your revisionist BS by saying that your flag isn’t about racism.

On KA: The KA chapter at my alma mater had some problems several years ago when one of them decided to burn a cross. ‘Nuff said.

On KA and gentrification: Seriously, how much good would an organization that looks down upon minorities and women do by moving into a minority neighborhood?

On the claims of “Black racism” and “reverse racism”: Anyone who believes in that crap is quite brainwashed by some of the most racist minds out there. For Realist to call people “white haters” is absurd. Minorities are called “minorities” for a reason—that is, we make up a small portion of the population, and thus do not have the power that whites do. So, even if we hated white people, WTF could we do about it?

By nikki

September 5, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Hey mental giant, “not accept everything you hear/read as the truth” doesnt that include “Iwas told it was a known fact”

By gunte1

September 5, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

I was struck by the question asked by John English at the close of the original AJC article on this subject: “Why would you go where you are not wanted?” Oddly enough that is exactly the same question that Birmingham’s Bull Connor asked of Dr. King when he went there for the Children’s March in 1963. Why indeed? Thankfully, Dr. King ignored Bull Connor, just as the brothers of KA should ignore Mr. English. By wasting their political capital on issues such as this, the African-American community leadership has squandered the moral imperative handed down to them by great men like Dr. King. Let’s hope that it’s merely squandered for the remainder of Rev. River’s period of influence and not for all time.

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

To Tacitus and my other confused, misinformed, or downright Racist (yes RACIST) friends:

“I wish to get an energetic honest farmer, who while he will be considerate & kind to the negroes, will be firm & make them do their duty” -Robert E. Lee

“I have had some trouble with some of the people. Reuben, Parks & Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority—refused to obey my orders,* & said they were as free as I was*, etc., etc.—I succeeded in capturing them & lodging them in jail. They resisted till overpowered & called upon the other people to rescue them” -Robert E. Lee

“The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.” -Robert E. Lee

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

To Tacitus and my other confused, misinformed, or downright Racist (yes RACIST) friends:

“I wish to get an energetic honest farmer, who while he will be considerate & kind to the negroes, will be firm & make them do their duty” -Robert E. Lee

“I have had some trouble with some of the people. Reuben, Parks & Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority—refused to obey my orders,* & said they were as free as I was*, etc., etc.—I succeeded in capturing them & lodging them in jail. They resisted till overpowered & called upon the other people to rescue them” -Robert E. Lee

“The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.” -Robert E. Lee

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

On the claims of “Black racism” and “reverse racism”: Anyone who believes in that crap is quite brainwashed by some of the most racist minds out there. For Realist to call people “white haters” is absurd. Minorities are called “minorities” for a reason—that is, we make up a small portion of the population, and thus do not have the power that whites do. So, even if we hated white people, WTF could we do about it?

hark - now the black moron joe slithers out to racebait!!

black racism is real bubbkins …

one settler - one bullet is a black slogan!!

using “rape” and other rhetoric in the context of whites moving into a (historically black) neighbourhood is bigotry at the very least.

funny how you just gloss over all this - purely by denial - and then screech racism!!

you then dredge up the past yet again … how many more decades will blacks keep doing this., the USA has thankfully dramatically changes and you keep slapping what ocured decades ago in folks faces. the frat boys in KA never “lynched” anyone. Six million jews, plus millions of others were genocidally butchered by the nazis - but you dont hear them ENDLESSLY racebaiting about Germans.

the ‘rebel’ flag means differentb things to different people - if you expect anyone to respect your perceptions then respect theirs!! southern heritage is simply that - remembering the nobvle aspects of a byegoine age and chivalry etc. - nor the evil done by a small minority of the population.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Joe - I’m with you except for your last paragraph. Not sure I understand how someone can’t be racist based on his/her being a minority. By that reasoning, whites in the minority some place (like Atlanta) can’t be racists. Is that what you are saying?

By Realist

September 5, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Joe, What college would that be? Im sure there had to some press coverage of a cross burning, unless we are talking about 30-40 years ago? So where was that cross buring again? I love it that you guys spew your BS with nothing to back it up.

This blog topic is KA and thier zoning problem with thier new house. So far Ive heard a handful of episodes where KA has participated in all these horric racially motivated events, but there is not one reputable source backing any of them up? In fact, if you do a search on it, the only incidents that come up are those where students dressed up as blacks on halloween (how dare they dress like a black man, those crackers!!) and some who made up t-shirts for a “gin and juice” party that had images of snoop dog and his afro on it and it got their charter pulled. Those aweful kids putting snoop dog on a t-shirt, how aweful!! If these minor incidents got media attention, dont you think the other much worse events you guys are describing would too?

LIES LIES LIES

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

@ racist vic

you are again dredging up the dim distant long ago past!!!

you are as bad a racebaiter as the micky mouse reverend in the UGA story.

no one says forget, you dont even have to forgive - LIKE YOU EVER WOULD!! - but your bitterness at Civil War era folks who died well over 100 years ago is pathetic!! the world has changed - move on with it!!

HITLER et al MADE VASTLY WORSE remarks about jews, gypsies etc - he butchered far more folks who still live with that memory than the cowardly evil klan ever dreamed of doing and you still keep posting this 1860’s era stuff as almost as if its literally yesterdays news!!! SHAME ON YOU!!

one settler - one bullet - its a pretty recent murderous black racist slogan!! any comments - or are you also too cowardly to address it!!

By Realist

September 5, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

“Why would you go where you are not wanted?” Oddly enough that is exactly the same question that Birmingham’s Bull Connor asked of Dr. King when he went there for the Children’s March in 1963. Why indeed? Thankfully, Dr. King ignored Bull Connor, just as the brothers of KA should ignore Mr. English

BRAVO!!!

Careful though, you are real close to being called unlce tom by some of our white devil hating pappy’s in here

By Realist

September 5, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

While you guys are desperately googling for a KA story to support your allegations, try googling Alpha Phi Alpha or Kappa Alpha Psi with shooting or stabbing and see what you get. Plenty of good stories on that search :)

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

“the ‘rebel’ flag means differentb things to different people - if you expect anyone to respect your perceptions then respect theirs!! southern heritage is simply that - remembering the nobvle aspects of a byegoine age and chivalry etc. - nor the evil done by a small minority of the population”

Gee, Time for the Truth, I actually thought there was room for reasoning till I read that. The “rebel” flag is just that - a symbol of rebellion and defiance towards the United States, and as Joe said, a symbol of defiance later towards equal rights for everyone. If you think that you can separate the whole of the South from “the evil done by a small minority of the population” then you are decidedly close-minded. The whole South rebelled and went to war didn’t it? It defended the “small minority” that were slave holders didn’t it. You are using the same argument that “good” Germans used to excuse themselves from evils of the small minority of Nazis.

No white today should have “guilt” over slavery or the Civil War. But we certainly shouldn’t be celebrating the traditions of an era that supported slavery and went to war over it. God, what a bunch of boneheads.

By Hambone

September 5, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Lawd hab mercy, da white fokes is movin in da hood !

Whar Docta King be when he be needed ?

Yowsa, Yowsa Yowsa !

Git Jesse on da fone. We needz a protest !

Call our homeys at CNN !

By Hambone

September 5, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Lawd hab mercy, da white fokes is movin in da hood !

Whar Docta King be when he be needed ?

Yowsa, Yowsa Yowsa !

Git Jesse on da fone. We needz a protest !

Call our homeys at CNN !

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Time for Farce:

Again, I must point out that you are only partially correct sir. I feel no need/desire to bring up and discuss confederacy issues. It is the very fraternity that you are defending that revels in, as you would put it, “dredging up the dim distant long ago past” (I couldn’t have described it better). I’m not up on my slang so you will have to forgive me as I don’t understand what a “mickey mouse reverend” is (although I’m sure you would be happy to elaborate). ☺

By Common Sense

September 5, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

If we are so bad, and our old south ball is so terrible and we are all redneck racist and nothing but bad kids who are alcoholics and rapists, how come the black fraternities have metal detectors at all thier functions and we don’t?

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Realist

have you noticed that when they’re challenged the obvious racebaiting blacks/liberals on here refuse to actually debate points - they accuse us of being racists - purely on our posts - but perfectly reasonable points are being made which they smugly ignore.

the murderous Pan African Congress slogan I’ve quoted and challenged them on they just run away from. It was actually coined and endlessly chanted at countless PAC meetings against white S. African Farmers. They will endlessly offer their historical quotes and slogans but gutlessly run from any that reflect badly on them. And NO I’m not in any way defending the evils of apartheid!

What nauseates me most of all about this is that they are NOT even willing to debate a single awkward point. They pick on the weak or very minor points but will not address the main one I’ve posted repeatedly.

Either you completely accept every damn thing they say or you’re a racist or a bigot. And they wonder why they get contempt mirrored back at them!!

By LMAO

September 5, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Timeforthetruth, you call your name calling debate??????

LMAO

By Realist

September 5, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

I hear ya tftt. And the worst part is , there are a couple of white-guilt apologist in here who are the biggest contributors to the problem. If our country would come together and stand up against the extortion and blackmail these hypocrits pull on us we could put an end to it.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

you’re utterly dishonest racist vic

one settler one bullet …its racist - its a black slogan … any comments?

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

“They will endlessly offer their historical quotes and slogans but gutlessly run from any that reflect badly on them.”

I assume the “they” that Time for the Truth is referring to is me. Well sir, when there is a blog on the topic that you keep alluding to, trust me, I will gladly engage. However, (and this is the last time I will say this) the quote to which you are referring has nothing to do with the story we’re discussing. The flaw in your logic is that you assume that I’m afraid to debate ANYTHING. Please don’t be so deluded as to think that because I ignore references to irrelevant quotes (and your asinine remarks/insults) that I am for or against whatever you’re wasting your time talking about. I assume that you’re a conservative. A lot of you guys are good at sticking to the subject at hand and not going off on a tangent. Let’s follow suit. There are no references to the PAC in the commentary. Please try to keep up. ☺

By Dean Wormer

September 5, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot IS ME.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

the ‘rebel’ flag today is about southern heritage - its THE symbol of the south … the vats majority of southerners never lynched anyone or enslaved anyone. the whole of the south is NOT responasible for the evil done by the evil klan types … the south is very different today and certain blacks on here and elsewhere sadly keep the racial hate and spoils going —-

your point @ germans is a poor one - the south went to war obver a number of issues - Lincoln had a poor attitude to blacks - there were slaves in the north - not as many of course - its folks like you who help keep the hate going, you enable and encourage racist blacks like those on here just now because you simply wont even accept the rights of others - white southerners - to indulge in sanitised politically correct versions of southern culture …

history has always had folks who look to the past for ancestor worship and cultural practices and more recently romanticised notions of the past - which these days is really all the KA frat boys are allowed to do …

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

you gutless turd vic … you run away from admitting blatant black racism, black racial hypocrisy in the KA story … with weasel like words … and yet you call others racist!!

yet you post long alleged quotes from Lee

one settler one bullet … is racist

yet if whites chanted one black - one bullet you’d rightly go beserk!!

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

LMFAO at you

tw@ts like you cannot debate and hide behind dumb ids …

By Redneck Convert

September 5, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

That cranky person named Dusty has told me to shut up, but she’s over at the Luckovich site, so maybe she won’t notice me piping up one more time.

My favorite song has the line “If the South would’ve won we’da had it made.” That pretty much sums up what the KA is trying to do, seems to me.

By the way, Wooten, can you stop that Homey guy from writing notes to me. Now he’s talking about having me lead his gay pride parade. I guess I’m as happy as the next guy, but there’s no need to have a parade about it.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Realist - what has “extortion and blackmail” and race baiting by a small minority (to use Time for the Truth’s phraseology) of blacks got to do whites waving Confederate flags and parading around in uniforms on the pretext of glorifying chivalry? Yes, they have a perfect legal right to do so. But you can’t see what those symbols might mean to the decedents of those who had no place in the Old South other than that of property? Forget the legalism for a minute man and put yourself in the other guys shoes. You can’t keep telling blacks to get over it and move on if you don’t do the same.

By Theta Chi Brother

September 5, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

The greek system is not as bad as you people seem to put it. I am a greek from UGA in the eighties- Every fraternity/sorority has their tradition, etc… We are not all rich kids who went to college. There are many fraternaties/sororities at small colleges/univ. throughout the country. We respected and got along with other societies whether they be black/ jewish, etc.. YOu all sound like you were outcast in school, this is your way at getting back at the greek system, because you did not fit in….

By Ebony and Ivory

September 5, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

My frat brother, Steve, would only date “black chicks”. He had this slavemaster fantasy thing he was chasing and would brag how he was living the movie “Mandingo”.

One night he somehow convinced me to go pick up some black hookers. We got back to the frat house, and before I knew it, I was naked in bed with a middle-aged overweight black woman, and it went south from there.

She impatiently cajoled me to, “come on now”, but I hesitated, “I need a little foreplay”. Then she got abusive and I stonewalled. I told her that I was too drunk to perform. She angrily sprang up, and dressed quicker than I’ve ever seen a woman dress. Then she grabbed the 11 bucks (1973) I had previously put on the dresser.

Before she got to the door, I interjected that 11 bucks was all I had for the week. “Too bad, child”. “But I have to get to work tomorrow, leave me something, come on.” She stopped cold, a look of sheer disgust appeared on her face, and she peeled off two dollars, threw them on the floor, and left with an emasculative strut that still hurts to this day.

That was a close one. A few years later I picked up a black woman holding a baby in the rain. I felt obligated to drive her wherever. Somehow we exchanged numbers and she called me, and flat out offered to give me my “chance with a black chick”, (I had told her about Steve), but I declined.

I just had no reason to explore further a relationship that would have been pure sex. She wasn’t hot enough, I guess, but I dont know if that was the problem, or if growing up in america in the 50s and 60s automatically made one a racist. (tv, relative testimonials, and segregated lifestyles)

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

had enough obviously knows nothing of heritage and heritage tourism - which is largely predicated on selective/romantic versions of the past … its also predicated on notions of ‘identity’ which resonates way beyond wearing a grey uniform or whistling dixie!!

the non slave south had a golden age or southern chivalry etc - clearly the KA chaps are being as selective/idealistic as many blacks are when they dream or talk of AfriKa

By LMAO

September 5, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Is that right Tfothetth, I’ll debate you, your style even.

You are a big doo-doo head racist piece of doo-doo.

HA HA HA did you see that I really put that doo-doo head in her place! Wow look at me everyone, that doo-doo head is a LOSER.

TFTT you better go back to elemantry school. You are a big Doo-Doo head. HA HA HA HA HA! I WON.

By Joe

September 5, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

Hadden Knough:

Whites are still in power in Atlanta. Minority status is not just in terms of population.

Realist: It was about 13-14 years ago at Tulane.

I’ll answer Time’s weak arguments after I get out of my meeting.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Time for the truth and Realist - You don’t actually read the posts that you are responding to do you? You just read into them what you want to hear, right? Otherwise, you wouldn’t be making accusations of white guilt and enabling black racists. You two are what gives the liberals on this blog a reason for continuing to live.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

@ LMFAO

I see that the usual level of erudite liberal debate is finally emerging!!

almost none of these lefty arsewipes can actually debate - so they just post moronic hissy fits!!

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Joe - Forget majority/minority status for a minute. Why can’t a black or other minority have racist beliefs? Or am I misunderstanding you? It has been my observation that racism is color blind, ironically enough.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

had enough

you twist my points to suit your own white guilt agenda … you clearly have NO idea about heritage and what it means in this example. I’ve never met anyone from KA but I fully understand what their ‘heritage’ means to them, in the same way I understand what the Cornish, Scottish, Irish etc heritage means to them!! and how they also (selectively) celebrate it.

By Realist

September 5, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

They dont get it tftt. They are either too dense or just dont want to understand it. So I give up. I dont own a rebel flag but I proudly flew one when I was a KA. It stood for nothing more than being KA to me. Blacks and slavery were the furthest from my mind, still is. I was too busy trying to make grades and chasing girls, greek and non greek. But I still defend anyones right to own it, and fly it, without persecution or shame. Whether you like it, agree with it, or condone it its thier right! Here is an idea, lets not judge a person by a flag, but rather by their character. Im not seeing any white rebel flag carrying frat boys on the news robbing, stealing, shooting, looting, raping etc so obviosuly they arent the real public enemy are they?

By Realist

September 5, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Joe, Im glad to hear you are working the 12 steps and attending your meetings. Good job.

Ive searched until I was blue in the fingers and cant find a story regarding cross burning at tulane, with or without KA involvment. I will email some guys I know at KA national and see if they are aware of it. Im really interested to see if this is just another wives tail handed down through time or fact.

Peace everyone. Goodnight.

By JK

September 5, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

You can’t keep telling blacks to get over it and move on if you don’t do the same.

Hadden Knough has a point, y’all.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Realist

this is all about the semiotics of hate and racial spoils clashing with the symbolism etc of southern heritage.

the stars and bars at say a Skynyrd gig is NOT about hate - its about southern pride … gutless bigots like Vic cannot answer answer awkards points about black racism but call others racist.

identity is a very powerful thing, linked to all kinds of emotions, history, perceptions etc and clearly its impossible to reconcile such divergent world views without any willingness to … clearly KA have toned down much of what they used to do over the years and now its essentially a slave free Gone With The Wind thang which they harmlessly aspire to. But even that is too much for the black/liberal bigots on here!!

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

I happen to have a fairly robust Southern family heritage, Time for the Truth. I just don’t go around rubbing the more unsavory aspects of the past in the faces of those whose ancestors were denied a place in it other being being an asset in a ledger book.

It occurs to me that those who insist on loudly proclaiming their heritage while being “selective” about what they celebrate, are the ones suffering from guilt, or making their first steps out of the racist closet.

By gunte1

September 5, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

In reading this article and Jim Wooten’s comments, I remembered a flyer distributed by a Rev. Amos Moore of Atlanta’s Kirkwood neighborhood in 1998.

I did a web search and found the text of a flyer he distributed then. It is: “Save our neighborhood. If you are concerned about the white takeover of Kirkwood, come meet…to discuss how we can put an end to the white homosexual takeover of our community. Kirkwood Concerned black Neighbors”.

God forbid that the property values in East Hancock climb at the same rate that property values have climbed in East Atlanta and Kirkwood since Rev. Moore’s flyer was distributed.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

gunte1 - An outgoing mayor of Decatur expressed similar sentiments several years when she lamented the loss of black culture as whites regained a majority in the city. Does it ever occur to those who bemoan genetrification that many of these neighborhoods were white before blacks took them over? My folks lived in Kirkwood and Grant Park before WWII. Later they moved to East Atlanta and from there to East Point. All white areas that ulitmately went black and are now gaining white residents again. When they move out it is “white flight”. When move back it is “gentrification”. The first term is intended to imply racism pure and simple; the same for the second term, but with a profit motive in mind. This to me this nothing more than thinly veiled racism in itself.

By Joe

September 5, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

**One Settler, One Bullet was a rallying cry and slogan originated by the Azanian People’s Liberation Army (APLA) - the armed wing of the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC) - during the era of apartheid. Although APLA became famous for this wildly popular slogan, the organisation was never able to launch a particularly effective guerilla campaign. The extreme Africanism of the PAC never became as popular as the nationalism of the African National Congress (ANC) and the PAC is now (as of 2006) a minor political party.

The “Settler” referenced to in the slogan implied all South African Whites, especially those supporting apartheid, while the “Bullet” implied shooting/killing them.**

Time, that is one settler, one bullet. Yes, it has its origins among Black people, but Black South Africans, not Black Americans. I also find it interesting that you choose this, because it was used to inspire people to rise up against apartheid, yet you fail to mention that part.

I don’t agree with genocide, but I also disagree with apartheid; neither do many of my South African friends.

As for the comment regarding the confederate flag being nothing more than a symbol for the South, that’s still more revisionism. To ignore the events of the 20th century is both insulting and ignorant.

By JerryJ

September 5, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

**Who is the math Genius.

140 years since the confederate war was over so get over it.

*How about 41 years ago black people where *first allowed to vote unincumbered.

I was at a meeting (katrina relief) with the two former presidents.

someone asked Bush about the Leevee’s being blown up…

*he said.. “well.. when I was a youth *drilling for oil off the coast of texas..”

everyone was stunned in the room… shocked sort of like his wife’s comments on people being better off after katrina..

I said that to say this. Half of you people from Europe had all this chance for years to be a rockafella…

You had more than enough time to make a fortune..

**Why embrace the flag that lost the WAR?

**Why not embrace America and its Stars and Stripes that come together and form the flag?

Does your family have drill for oil money?

These same people that are forming there haliburtons and funnelling the money between there own are not the confederate flag flyers….

The flag flyers are the rejects… the real European people over here are like Bush who knows at the end of the day Capitalism is what counts.

These ‘frat’ boys might have a financial advantage now but I am sure Darwin will catch up to them.

for those who said the pastor was wrong to mention rape and them in the same sentence need to check there own Willie Lynch laws.

By charleston05

September 5, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

A lot of people ARE better off after Katrina. A lot of the refugees were receiving housing, food and clothing that they did not receive before. Many of their children began going to better schools. Many of these refugees had been living in extreme poverty in New Orleans.

By JerryJ

September 5, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

charleson05

Refugee’s…

yall see it right.. the black and white americans who where devestated are refugee’s

I bet people in sri lanka are tsunami survivors but Americans are refugee’s

I see you chose to answer zero questions like you are Sean Hannity or Neil Bortz.

Let me show you something about human nature.

If you grew up in Idaho.. and all you know is Idaho… you can not possibly know Utah right.

If you take twins.. one of them grew in a closet and the other grew on a farm would one of them be taller?

New Orleans was a closet… who are you to say they are better off.. You give them third world education and food stamps for generations..

You think it is lovely to leave everything you know… well lets take you to russia.

Do you know New Orleans was a prison colony (I bet the frat guy knows)

Do you know that Everywhere in America I went I never heard cuss words on the Radio besides in New Orleans.

Why did the FCC allow profanity to be played on the radio in New Orleans?

They are polluting peoples minds… like some RAP music..

Why was there Extreme Poverty in New Orleans is because America allowed it to be…. straight.

By Joe

September 5, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Joe - Forget majority/minority status for a minute. Why can’t a black or other minority have racist beliefs?

I didn’t say that they couldn’t have racist beliefs. I even stated that Blacks have the ability to hate whites, but that they lack the power to do act on that hatred.

Realist: If you want, I can direct you to people who were there. BTW, your attitude doesn’t help you or your side at all. If I wanted to, I could be much more condescending and arrogant than you.

JerryJ: Yes, the levees were “blown up” 40 years ago. The bomb was set off, and it was a slow fuse of poor design and neglect.

Charleston05: There are a few positives to come out of Katrina, and interesting enough, I would view the city in your screen name as a model of sorts.

By VERITAS

September 5, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Embrace the Stars-n-Stripes that systematically rounded up and and destroyed millions of Native Americans?

Enslaved millions of Africans? There were more slaves in New York City in 1790 than in the entire state of Georgia ! Refer to 1790 US Census.

The South has been stigmatized over slavery. Just a generation before the Civil War, the age-old institution was legal in New York, New Jersey and a host of other fine Northern states. Once it became illegal in the North, the kind, benevolent Northeners sold their slaves & sent them southbound. Illinois, the “Land of Lincoln”, free blacks were outlawed !

Don’t tell me to embrace the Stars-N- Stripes !

By VERITAS

September 5, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Embrace the Stars-n-Stripes that systematically rounded up and and destroyed millions of Native Americans?

Enslaved millions of Africans? There were more slaves in New York City in 1790 than in the entire state of Georgia ! Refer to 1790 US Census.

The South has been stigmatized over slavery. Just a generation before the Civil War, the age-old institution was legal in New York, New Jersey and a host of other fine Northern states. Once it became illegal in the North, the kind, benevolent Northeners sold their slaves & sent them southbound. Illinois, the “Land of Lincoln”, free blacks were outlawed !

Don’t tell me to embrace the Stars-N- Stripes !

By Victor J. Williams

September 5, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

This was my first attempt at blogging and I must say that it has been pretty interesting. People say the darnedest things when they say them anonymously. I debate and argue with liberals, conservatives, and everything in between. There is something less than “ballsy” in commenting from behind a curtain.

Anyways, out of principle alone, I will answer Time for the Truth’s questions under two conditions.

1: he gives me a coherent response to my first blog and the ones with the quotes from his hero, Robert E. Lee.

2: Biblical support of your position(s).

Why should you?

Well, since you say that “the biblical standpoint aspect has bugger all to do with this.” I must admit that I feel the exact same way about your PAC concerns. They have nothing to do with this conversation.

Enough of the name-calling. It’s boring me. Show me the you have the guts that I lack and challenge me (if you can). ☺

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Joe/had enough clearly I understand the point about the PAC slogan - I quoted it to see if anyone else did - I also explained its use/context.

I am NOT a memeber of KA - but I defend their right to free speech - just as I defend the right to free speech of the new black panthers or farrakhan’s crowd - even though I despise what they say!

my comment @ the rebel flag applies to its use today at say a Skynyrd gig - NOT 40/50 years ago when I agree things were very different, and utterly unacceptable. dont confuse the two things - I dont!!

what irked me a little today was the intellectual dishonesty of several folks on here who refused to condemn the blatant bigotry of the preacher in the story but yet jumped all over KA,

this subject boils down to perceptions about identity and the wider racial history of the south/USA,

ultimately this will all become less intense as the older black folks who remebmer the outrages die off, without hopefully having instilled too much bitterness/hatred in ther younger generation. obviously the tensions will never fully disappear, but will become ever more manageable.

By JerryJ

September 5, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Veritas

blah blah blah.

If you live in America and you are born here I would hope you support it.

No America is not perfect. But it is the best Capitalism system there is in the World.

I took a test to become a citizen.

America means a chance to own land and make some serious money even while some people will not distrubute their capital this way..

If you don’t like it then leave…. don’t just sit here and be one of the 80% who are satisfied with the status Quo and feeding the 20%

You need to find people that you can “break bread” with so you can get some of this.

You would live a lot simpler life in the caribbean.. this right here was formed on robbing and killing and most of all Capitalism.

By time for the truth

September 5, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Vic

Lee has nothing to do with this actual deabte, like Lincoln he had a negative attitude to/image of blacks.

I am not the tiniest bit religious.

and I am English - from England which explains why I dont have the same attitude to all this that many americans do!!

the slogan I cited merely showed that racism comes from all folks - whatever the provocation.

who said Lee was my hero? - but he was a great General and should have won militarily, acording to accounts I’ve skimmed through -in the beginning - but in all honesty its probably better than he didn’t!!

By chareston05

September 5, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Look up the definition for regugee and it fits the Katrina survivors.

New Orleans was a city of poverty because the people there expect everything handed to them. I always hear certain groups of people complaining and complaining about bad schools, gangs, drugs,etc. Why don’t they do something about it?

We don’t live in a country where everything is given to you because we live in a country where everyone has the opportunity to make something of themselves. Our country has more leaders of companies that grew up in the lower class than any country on earth.

I grew up extremely poor but I put myself through college and I now have an excellent job. I don’t expect anyone to do anything for me and the residents of New Orleans shouldn’t either.

Look at Jewish people. After the Holocaust, many came over and within one generation were business owners and education in our country. You don’t see them b*tching about how they need help and blah blah blah. No, they take care of themselves.

By Hadden Knough

September 5, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

Joe - thanks for the clarification, as well as pointing out early on that the Confederate flag is dislike more for its use post-Civil War by white supremacists and state governments as a symbol of opposition to equal rights. Apparently, Time for the Truth, you still do not get this based on your 5:42 post. How open minded of you not to confuse a Skynard gig with white supremacy.

By GodHatesTrash

September 5, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

Call an end to Wooten and his race-baiting redneck moronism.

Trash.

By The Way

September 6, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

The fraternity in question should be allowed to wave their flag in costume and invoke whatever historical ghosts they choose. Sometimes players do more service for their enemies than their cause.

Sunshine is an effective disinfectant.

By Bubba

September 6, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

TFTT and Jim are both racists for not even seeing the problem with this. Pathetic.

By The Way

September 6, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

Picture dozens of frat boys marching in confederate uniforms festooned with confederat battle flags chanting aryan supremacy….

…then picture a quiet little woman sitting in a bus.

No contest.

By The Way

September 6, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

The Confederate battle flag is the coolest relic of our civil war. I would do anything to own a real one.

It offends my fellow americans. I love history, the same history some loathe. I’m torn apart by my own greed in the face of the pursuit of happiness and justice.

What would the slave’s flag be? A ship? A chain? A song? A prayer?

Advertising works. Thus flags move minds.

The Saint Andrews cross makes a big difference wherever it is seen.

By andy

September 6, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Oh sure, but if it were a gay fraternity being pushed out by the UGA administration or the community, Wooten would definitely say “but the administration and community have a right to have a say in what exists in their neighborhoods.”

By SouthernLady

September 6, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Long live the KA Order and for the pride that they stand for. Don’t be intimidated by small minded, uneducated people. It’s jealousy. Pure and simple….

By lionstigersandbearsohmy

September 6, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

@southern lady - yes we are jealous. Sorrostitue I presume?

By SouthernLady

September 6, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

How cute! Your first attempt at proper diction. Way to use that online dictionary!

By JerryJ

September 6, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

charleston05

you said

New Orleans was a city of poverty because the people there expect everything handed to them. I always hear certain groups of people complaining and complaining about bad schools, gangs, drugs,etc. Why don’t they do something about it?

I am not looking for a hand out. You are making New Orleans seem like a entire race of peoples attitude.

I am showing you America created the Problem in N.O.

Who created the schools?
Not the poor people.

Who ships in the Cocaine? Not the poor people.

Some ancestors of some people on this board systematically set up a system for these people to be in a never ending poverty cycle.

Have you heard the old axiom that “if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day.. if you teach a man to fish he will eat forever”

They have been giving fish to these people for too long with no desire to show them how to become viable members of society.

Is it there fault for being short cited?

Why did the FCC allow cuss words on N.O. Radio?

What you want them to do.. own a few radio stations… build some schools… I am sure there are some of there people working on that… but other people had a big head start so ease off of the rhetoric.

I have a great job also and that would not have happened generation ago.

These ‘frat’ boys should tek there club house to the woods of tennesse and south carolina with the rest of the rednecks.

By lionstigersandbearsohmy

September 6, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Well Scarlet, buffy or whatever your name may be are you a rorrostitute or just “lucky” enough to have tagged one of these young men for the time being

By Henry Grady

September 6, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

I didn’t belong to a fraternity at UGA, but I did have Dr. John English as a professor. I don’t claim to agree with his position on this issue, but I believe that it must have some merit since it is being advanced by an intelligent and honorable individual.

And, isn’t he a Kappa Alpha?

By Shooter

September 6, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Many long term relationships with booze and other illegal substances were formed in Frat houses. If a Frat house wanted to move into my neighborhood, with the experiance that I have I would object.

By CTH

September 6, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Answer man is absolutely correct. I walked this neighborhood Saturday and found that 75% plus of the homes were occupied by UGA students or white fixer-uppers. The addition of the Kappa Alpha house to this area will benefit the entire area. The ony “negative” will be the rise in property values.

By TNT ND65

September 6, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

“Time for Truth” has none, and the rest of the Wooten supporters on this issue are either very ignorant of the truth, or willing to stifle it. As a White, Middle class, Georgian, I am often mistaken for “one of us” when the bigots and racist rant. I hear their snide references to other races and the obvious hatred in their remarks, because they think I am on their side until I enlighten them. Only when this is finally a bitter memory in all our fading years will such euphonistic racial signs as the Confederate St. Andrews Cross be considered neutral or benign, and the sophomoric giggles of these immature fraternity gangs be enlightened to the level of academe.