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DEL.ICIO.USOne bad week in August
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Just weeks ago, it appeared possible that Democrats might succeed in making Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House this November — and if all broke their way, might even succeed in taking control of the U.S. Senate, too. While I’m no expert, my gut feeling is that — in the absence of some major disaster for Republicans and for President Bush — the approaching Labor Day weekend brings promising news for the party in power.
A recent Gallup Poll indicates that the two parties are about even in voter preference. Democrats still enjoy a slight lead, 49 to 44 percent in August, but in July and August the Democrats’ lead had been 13 points. If, as has been their pattern, Democrats come up with another empty hand in November, one week in August will loom large. That’s the week of August 7th. On Tuesday the 8th, with the defeat of Joe Lieberman, the national party reconstituted along the lines of a bumper sticker I saw recently: “I’m against the next war, too.” You can’t trust people like that in leadership positions.
Just as that shift was settling in on the American electorate, word came out of Britain that jihadists were plotting to blow up a number of airliners over the Atlantic. The two events, hours apart, turned the country from its drift to pacfiism, stabilized the President’s base, and reversed the Republican slide. It’s no surprise that, when he was in Atlanta last week, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) said the Senate’s attention between now and the election will be on security, not immigration, the hot-button issue through much of this year.
Incidentally, on another subject, throughout the early days of this blog, I was struck by how much the mere hint of religion sent many of our left-of-center contributors off the deep end. This was at a time, you recall, when Ralph Reed was a candidate and, because of his background, religion and politics were intertwined. Gallup clears up the mystery, such as it was. Interviews with 5,000 registered voters over the past three months reveals that frequency of church attendance is a strong indicator among whites of whether somebody is likely to vote Democrat or Republican. Frequent church-goers, on a generic ballot, prefer Republicans by a 24 percentgage point margin. Infrequent church-goers favor the Dems by 17 points. Non-whites, church-goers or not, favor Democrats by 59 points.
Two unrelated questions from the same poll: What trends, or possible events, favor Democrats or Republicans? And are we really that polarized by religion? And why? If so, that can’t be a good sign for the country.
Comments
By Pete
August 31, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this
The trend that will help Republicans is the timliness of raised terror alerts. The trend that will help Democrats is how far behind Bush spin the Iraq War gets. Maybe if Bush says, “Spray the Coors”, instead of, “Stay the Course”, the Republicans can win big on the float of new beer popularity.
A hurricane in late October will save Republicans too. In fact, if the Ramsey kid can somehow get chanelled by a mystic on a Sunday during a hurricane in a orange alert, then it’s a landslide for Republicans.
By jbmlaw
August 31, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this
Good morning, all. Jim asks two questions. As to what events would favor either party, I will exclude the bizarre. Democrats would generally benefit from horrific events in Iraq against a backdrop of quiet everywhere else in the world; Republicans benefit from quiet in Iraq and terrorists running wild everywhere else. Because terrorism is the #1 issue, almost nothing else will move the middle.
Democrats would benefit from $3.50/gal gasoline, Republicans would benefit from $2.25/gal gasoline – not because government makes gasoline, but gasoline has become a popular benchmark for freedom and economic stability. When it is wholly unavailable – remember the gas lines in the era of President Carter? – voters act. Many of the young people on this blog are blithely unaware that there was a time when the government set prices and wages throughout the entire economy. When President Reagan decontrolled gasoline prices, the Democrats rubbed their hands with glee and proclaimed the lunacy of the act to the world, loudly and repeatedly. And gasoline prices did rise, sharply – for about two months. And then began a long slide, into then-unbelievably low prices, where they stayed for 15 years. When the prices rose precipitously after the gulf hurricanes last year, President Bush suffered a sharp erosion in his popularity
The second question, are we so polarized by religion. I think so, and at least in part for reasons that do no reflect well on my side of the aisle. I am a member of one of the mainstream, sometimes called “old-line” protestant churches, a connectional church with long-time leftist leanings. I even quit going to the church for a while during the 1970s when their radicalism offended my “freedom” sensibilities (I never had much patience for communist apologists.) Over time, however, the political left secured judicial appointments so hostile to any role for religion in public life that the believers felt betrayed by the left. Within the past generation our church has mostly been abandoned by leftists, leaving only a less-politically-forgiving conservative body. (We try to avoid discussion of politics entirely at church – that would much like celebrating the doctrines of Satan while taking communion.) I fear our leftist friends do not feel welcome simply because everyone already there is conservative; the perception is wrong, but may be nearly impossible to change. Our leftist friends mistakenly believe we are as intolerant of their beliefs as they are of ours. We are not intolerant; we only laugh at them.
By Pete
August 31, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
zzzzz
By jbmlaw
August 31, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this
And please, conservative friends, leave Pete alone. He is as funny as Harold, even if he doesn’t like us.
By Pete
August 31, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this
D’oh!
By jbmlaw
August 31, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
Pete, on this blog there are wonks and wits. I am a wonk, you are a wit. I make ‘em mad; your job is to make ‘em laugh.
By Pete
August 31, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
But what if the ones who are supposed to laugh get mad and the angry ones start to laugh, what do we do then?
By Jim Wooten
August 31, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, as always a serious, thoughtful response to today’s topic. Thanks for the effort. And morning, too, to Pete and others to come.
By fascism
August 31, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this
Fascismwas spewed by Rumsfeld and he is spot on.
To stop the new and improved fascism by the God party, we the people have a civil duty to stop it. If the God party control the elections, our democracy is history.
The point is, do we want to be the generation of Americans who allowed fascism and the end of democracy in this country?
By Hadden Knough
August 31, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
So, Fascism, exactly where is Nancy Pelosi going to to us?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Jesus Wept!!! Pete is even more of a mental midget than the limp wristed Harold is. Although fascism is a very late runner in the moron of the morning stakes. And its fascism who wins the coveted tosspot of the early posts by a very short pointy head!!
Being an avowedly secular right wing (on most issues) Republican makes me even more of an independent thinker according to the poll which hardly offers any surprising results. Its nice not being quite so easily pigeonholed by the likes of Gallup who I occasionally worked for many years ago back in Old Albion.
What will finally do the demoncrats in in Novemeber is the thought of that odious shrill hectoring feminazi Pelosi and the execrable noxious Dingy Dirty Harry Reid actually running congress. This is such anathema to clear thinking folks, so repugnant and vile a notion that even the nasty spineless moderates who swing very slightly left of the GOP will vote GOP again, just to keep these leftist scum out.
Watching their faces on that Wednesday morning in early Nov when they have failed abysmally YET again to wrest any political power back will be even funnier than watching that unelectable lardarsedliar HiTllary squirming when finally challenged about its life of lies and corruption if it is stupid enough to run in 20008.
By Southern Democrat
August 31, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
Per usual, excellent post, and I, per usual, respectfully disagree. I am fairly unfamiliar with most religions outside Christianity, so I’ll confine my attempted analysis to only Christianity. (BTW, Mr. Wooten, you do realize that the term “church-going” automatically implies Christians (excluding Mormons), thus, saying “religious” in your post actually means “observant Christian”? I ask this not in a snarky way, but to clarify the boundaries of the discussion today for those of us who try to stay on topic).
As I have mentioned before, I am a Roman Catholic who attends Mass every week (and most HDoOs). Post-Vatican II (a reform movement in the Catholic Church for those unfamiliar), the CC has adopted a wide range of dogma that embraces capitalism as being the most just economic system, democracy as the most just political system, and emphasizes the individual’s moral obligation to ALWAYS give preference to the action that most benefits the poor and the cause for peace. That last part is conveniently forgotten by many (including myself).
Here is where I put myself at risk of being seen as an idealist, intellectual elitist, coward, etc., but I am flabbergasted by Mr. Wooten’s cited study for the following reasons. As a Christian, I try to act in the way that most echoes the teachings of Jesus, including in the voting booth. I also, however, strongly believe in “They Shall Know We Are Christians By Our Love,” opting to not wear my religion on my sleeve and constantly invoke the Lord while acting more akin to his counterpart below.
The Democratic Party, particularly in the wake of Katrina and Iraq, has the chance to (again) be the party of the churchgoer (or at least the Catholic churchgoer) and many prominent, Protestant preachers (say that five times fast) are backtracking and seeking escape from their political association with the far right. If the Dems can offer a coherent platform of opportunity for all, strong national security, and justice and integrity, then it should regain control come November.
By status quo + no ideas
August 31, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this
= repubs in the majority again in November and demos wondering what went wrong. to be followed by a serious blood letting in the demo leadership. Watch for Pelosi and Dean to be big causualities in late 2006/early 2007.
By Hadden Knough
August 31, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
I’m not so sure, TFTT. The American voter has a way of ignoring the obvious from time to time and thinking that a change will do them good. Witness the election of Jimmy Carter following a few aimless years of Gerald Ford. Must I mention a minority president for eight long years after the first Bush failed to ignite a fire under anyone? I have that icky feeling they are getting antzy again. I hope I’m wrong.
By Clairvoyant
August 31, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
That icky feeling would be correct Hadden Knough. Thank God. The voters will deliver this nation from the hands of the most disasterous administration in our history.
By Redneck Convert
August 31, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this
Well, they say they’s all kinds of jobs out there, but I can’t find them. The Mexicans got ‘em all. Anyway, with no money coming in, things is getting tight. The price of Beech Nut and Skoal has gone way up, and a librul looney up here claims its because Sonny and the Republicans raised the tax on them way up. I know its a librul lie, cause Sonny would never raise taxes on the basic nesessatys of life. I guess we’ll have to cut back on grub and maybe skip a trailer payment or two.
I use two indicaters of how the political winds are blowing. The first is the number of golf tees left on the ground when I play at Countryland Golf Club up here in Cumming when I call in sick. If there’s lots of them, then things is going pretty well job-wise. Lately, I’m not finding nothing but little stubs. I guess a lot of other people have been put out of work by the Mexicans. The second is church-going. Its way down these days, and nobody is saying nothing good about Bush and the Republicans. That means lots of us rednecks may not show up at the polls this November, cause we wont be meeting at the church to march with the preacher to the polls.
Anyway, it would be a tradegy to have the libruls take control after next election, but at least we wouldn’t be spending big bucks on bridges to nowhere and Elvis musuems. Having the libruls in charge may even save us some money. Anyway, I know we can count on Bush to veto anything we don’t like. He always looks out for us little guys.
Anyboy know of any jobs I can get?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this
As a Christian, I try to act in the way that most echoes the teachings of Jesus, including in the voting booth
Thanks for that very smug, very pious post.
Doubtless as a good catholic you subscribe, to the self serving arrogant nonsense of the infallibility of the Pope? If you dont then at least you haven’t swallowed it all lock, stock and smoking barrel!!
You of course mean REPUTED, 40 or so years after the fact, teachings of Jesus as there is not one shred of evidence ANYWHERE I am aware of that the New Testament ramblings are even close to a verbatim or very accurate account of what, being very generous, are highly questionable events. None of the so called gospels are actually CONTEMPORANEOUS eyewitness accounts - some of it (the NT) is clearly unhinged contradictory zealous drivel.
Fideism is NOT based on logic etc - obviously folks have the right to beleive whatever they want and I implicitly respect that right. But all beliefs, especially religious beliefs should be rigorously and logically/historically questioned. And the vast majority of religious types NEVER EVER DO THIS!!
Hence the catholic genocidal, slave owning still oppressively sexist dogmatic past. Still at least I can no longer actually purchase a pardon as I could in the pre-Henry VIII days!!
By getalife
August 31, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
Fascism,
You are correct.
There is hope
It is amazing people in this country support a fascist dictator.
I thought it would never happen here but it has.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
I think there is a yearning in the country and among the voter for this sitting President to change his demeanor and message and reach out to the people. As a Bush supporter I find myself often wishing he would soften a bit on some of his stances and reach out to my sensibilities with a new or different message.
If anyone thinks that the Presidents advisors and campaign officials arent blissfully aware of this you are naive. Look for Bush to soften his Iraq message and reach out to the people at just the right moment leading up to elections. Despite having a reputation for being less than an intellect, this President is more cunning and clever than he gets credit for. Couple this with the recent terror threats and other world events (Iran, N Korea) and it all culminates into another GOP grand slam. The dems are in for another mollyhop come November and again in 08.
Eventually they will realize that victory lies in the center, not further out on the fringe.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
We all Had Enough of sick Willie had enough
and I certainly see your point - but until the last illegal immigrant vote for the dems has been counted after leftist judges have again shamelesly extended polling times - like they did in MO - the GOP still have a prety firm grip on the levers of power. The demoncrats have to actually take it back - fairly and legally - both of those notions are pretty foreign to them as a party and as individuals. As Bob Dornan and others can easily attest to.
I guess we’ll see soon enough - but I am not expecting to lose either house or senate - maybe a seat in the senate - but they have some dodgy seats up for grabs too.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
maggot brain
you clearly have NO understanding of what fascism is - the USA is a democracy, in the sense that folks get a regular unfettered vote. govts are fully accountable to the people and are ALWAYS changed at fixed times by free and fair elections - dems cheating and illegal immigrant votes notwithstanding.
The two year term for reps is unusually short by world parliamentary standards. the six year term for senators is quite long.
By Amelia
August 31, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
By Realist
August 31, 2006 09:51 AM Eventually they will realize that victory lies in the center, not further out on the fringe.
The support of the center is what the present administration is losing at warp speed. As for 08, even if a Republican candidate wins it will not be a candidate from the right wing. No more neo-cons. Ever! If the republican party refuses to move to the center it is doomed over the course of time.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
redneck convert, you could find a job as a comedian. You got me laughing good on that one :)
I made the huge error of accepting an invite to go play at Countryland once. I knew it was going to be bad when I saw other “golfers” wearing cut-off blue jeans and orange shoes (that were once white, tinged orange by georgia clay).
You definately have the pulse of the redneck community it seems.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Bush needs to change his ludicrous position on illegals and secure the border properly and permanently.
he needs to stop pandering to the hateful liberals - they undeniably hate and despise him - yet he still acts like they might one day actually be intellectually honest and meet him on common ground!! Bush should completely ignore liberals - not even invite them to White House - except once a year to sharply remind them that he’s still got a couple of years left!!
By Pete
August 31, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten is right. That week in August was a bad one. It was a hell of a week for democrats to stop sniffing glue.
Saw Albert Brooks’ “Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World”. It’s a B movie with moments. Maybe the best expose of a comedian’s world ever. Okay, I’m not comfortable with that, lets say it’s a D movie with a few seconds, no that’s too much too….how about if it comes on broadcast TV, then you might want to see the opening scene with Laverne and Shirley.
No, just remind yourself about that old sitcom’s jingle….no, just call someone a schlamozzle, and you’ve achieved the movie…..
By Dusty
August 31, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Wow, Jim, I am still fanning myself over the thought of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. And right after breakfast at that. You shouldn’t do that to us loyal readers.
But back to religion. I too belong to a mainstream Protestant denomination and attend church and Sunday School. We have discussed politics and war, even the piece in the AJC by Barbara Brown Taylor, a theologian at Piedmont College who leans toward peace at all costs. But the discussion was great because we have concerned people, both liberal and conservative, whose concern for the country outweighs political inclinations. Christians can discuss without the “cuss” and leave with good feelings and enlightment.
(Even Christians falter. Do I have to take back what I said about Pelosi?)
By JK
August 31, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
And are we really that polarized by religion? And why?
Yes. Because righties claim that God belongs to them, even though (a) I’ve found no basis for this in scripture, and (b) the prevalent “screw the poor” and “slaughter our enemies” mantras are in direct opposition to scripture. Non-righties that politely disagree (like Southern Democrat) are ridiculed by rightie non-believers (like TFTT) in rambling rants that make no sense. Rightie believers do not defend the non-rightie believer from the screeching hater because they care more about their political unity than the teachings of their Lord (IMO). Other non-rightie believers (like me) believe that Jesus is indeed coming back, and BOY IS HE TICKED!
By MChammer
August 31, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Immigration is the one thing that Bush does have right. Unlike you TFTT, he understands the future demographics of this country and knows the republican party will not survive without the Hispanic vote.
By Van
August 31, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
And are we really that polarized by religion?
This is an interesting thought.
We have two camps, the liberals and the conservatives. One looks to the Government as the answer to everything and the other looks more to God as the answer to problems - if not the answer, then someone to take problems to.
One set feels the Government should take care of us and the other teaches to take care of those that need it. A difference between public and private giving.
We see one set determined to set the rules for everyone, while the other already has a set of rules to live by, whether the old testement 10 Commandments or the New testement “Love thy neighbor”.
There is one party that believes we should get our rewards now and some think that the rewards come later.
While the left sees the Government as the highest power, there are those that see an even higher power, and it isn’t the governemnt - and the left take umbrage at that, they want all the power and glory.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
tftt, I agree, but the elections wont be won on immigration. That battle is for another time. Terror and Iraq is the order of the day on both sides. It is where the elections will be won and lost I beleive.
Amelia, If you what you say is true of a party losing for refusal to move to center, then the dems are doomed already. That party has moved so far out of the mainstream its not even funny. The only common ground they can find with voters is their stance on Iraq. Other than that, when you look beyond that, they got nada, zero, zilch.
And dont be surprised if you do end up with another “neo-con”. What you see is not always what you get.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
still looking for a job redneck?
try the Hall County emergency mental health intervention team - they handle rednekkks’ case and are looking for some truncheon wielding new muscle to put rednekkk’s Hannibal Lecter type mask and straitjacket on every day after the court ordered six hours of electric shock therapy!
By JK
August 31, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
We have a third camp, Van. It’s the camp of people who over-simply every complex issue we have into this: “We have two camps, no thinkers, no shades of gray, no capacity to compromise. Everyone in Camp A is right, and everyone in Camp B will burn in hell but not soon enough for me!”
Since you’ve assigned all of us to a camp, guess which camp I’m puttin YOU in? Sorry dude, you get the cabin farthest from the latrine. Good luck!
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
As if Glorious Leader didn’t have enough to worry about, what with all the gaysandjewsandcoloreds all hating him, now along come the Papist hordes to threaten his God-ordained rule. Is there no end to “these people” who refuse to countenance Fearless Leader’s mandate to save us from gel-wielding Islamocryptofascists and lower our taxes?
I worry that this unholy cabal of leftists, Jesuits, and other fringe weirdos will unwitting unleash a Pelosi-led pogrom that begins with subpoena power and ends up with the Godlike Bush standing in the dock in the Hague.
A pitiful few malcontents complaining about dwindling wages, high gas prices, dead and maimed soldiers, inept leadership in Homeland Security, and Laura’s recurrent alcohol binges could easily sway the feeble-minded rabble to turn on the Man Who Has Kept Them Safe From Terror for almost five years. Thankless buffoons.
With this in mind, the only sensible path is for Mister President Bush to cancel elections until such time as the rabble comes to their senses, or the franchise is restricted to those serious enough to handle the responsibility.
Freedom is too important to be left in the hands of the unwashed mob.
By Amelia
August 31, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
Realist, what I am saying is that if either of the parties put up someone from either lunatic fringe they are doomed. I still contend that this country has had enough of the neo-con disaster. Terrorism has become a hand played to the point that the president and his shills sound like the little boy crying wolf. Terrorism won’t win it for the republicans this time. I fully expect John McCain to be the next president. IF the republicans have the common sense to nominate him. Another neo-con cannot win under any circumstance. The country has seen through their agenda.
By Van
August 31, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
JK,
I would like to add, that the work of the ACLU has hurt the lefts acceptance with the moderates.
While they seem to be on a crusade to remove any christian symbol from hill tops and such, I am waiting for them to address the crosses on many church buildings.
The right and moderates do not feel the far left ACLU rpresents them and they equate the ACLU with the left.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
MC
its not too late to stop this “change” if the country acts now. Obviously I fully understand the implications of the GOP getting mexican type votes - but surely principles and respect for the law are more important than just votes!!
Realist
I agree about the war on terror being more important than immigration - vote wise - but if just one even small terror attack is linked to an open border it will be sealed up tighter than that hag Pelosi’s mouth after her Nov defeat!!
Amelia as ever is wrong - moderates are even more repelled by the insane leftist lunacy of the demoncrats, by comparison the GOP appear pretty balanced and moderate. Its not a slam dunk GOP win yet though because of the Bush hating media who will doubtless crank up the leftist bile nearer NOv.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
I think what JK is eluding too is fanaticism from every group, on both sides. Its either believe/think/act as I do or else. And if you dont, its war/lawsuit/protest/libel/slander until you do!!
Unfortunately JKs argument against the likes of Van or myself or other “righties” is empty because that behavior is actually MORE prevalant among the leftist.
Go fish JK.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Gee lies, you are ignorant.
surely principles and respect for the law are more important than just votes!!
That is the most ignorant post I have seen here.
By Ed
August 31, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
To Time for the truth: You sound just like my atheist brother in law who’s strongest convictions come from the latest episode of Southpark. I’m sure the leftist radical Cynthia Tucker wants you on her team. Remember her? She’s the one that defends small amounts of drugs for everyone. Aren’t ya proud of her? Great morals don’t ya think? She on my top five list not to baby-sit my kids right next to John Mark Car. You have fanatics on both sides of the isle. You have good people on both sides of the isle. If the Democrats stick to their sit on the sideline and try to scare everyone into voting for them, it isn’t going to work. People of faith listen to various opinions on any given subject but have the inner strength to form their own opinion as opposed to others that think a Cynthia Tucker or Southpark is the only opinion out there.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Since you’ve assigned all of us to a camp, guess which camp I’m puttin YOU in? Sorry dude, you get the cabin farthest from the latrine. Good luck!
so JK does care about NOT personally stinking Van out of his cabin!! nice one JK!! you aren’t completely heartless!!
Van is right JK - even though I aint at all religious to remove christmas from city hall calendars after all these years when the majority of folks are christians and crosses from long ago built war memorials etc is unnecessary nazi like control freakery. but the ACLU dont care about anything other than imposing their own very rigid type/view of society!!
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Kudos to Van for raising the spectre of the ACLU. They are a perfect example of how Freedom is too important to trust “regular people” with its exercise. They abuse their freedoms using such technicalities as the Constitution to abridge the freedoms of others to abridge the freedoms of others. And this just cannot stand.
I also wish to apologize for my first post, wherein I stated that all gaysandjewsandcoloreds hate Glorious Bush. This is a blanket statement, and is obviously not strictly true. Jack Abramoff represents the non-Gentile love of Bush, and Ken Mehlman and Ralph Reed represent the love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name of the manly Codpiece President. And of course, there are those Good Blacks, like Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, and Alan Keyes who can be counted upon to support the policies of our Leader.
My deepest apologies to these rare patriots of the Fringe Peoples.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
Amelia, So we can count on your vote (for McCain) come election time? I knew you would see the light and realize that there isnt anyone electable from the left.
Welcome aboard!
By Maskedman
August 31, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
Yeah boy Van. You tell em. That damned ACLU needs to leave those crosses alone! A good cross burnin from time to time is good for the country. Gets out the republican message like nothin else can. Leave those crosses alone.
By Van
August 31, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
JK,
If you fit in one group or the other, it makes no difference to me. The extremes of both parties, as other people have noted, are the smallest and the loudest of all.
Those that yell the loudest about the religious symbols being bad are as wacky as can be. It seems those are the most intolerant folks from the party of tolerance.
While the religious folks seem more tolerant, live and let live, it is not the right that is forceing their faith on to the non-religious, it is the left screaming the loudest about just the exposure to symbols.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
All,
We simply cannot support Sen. McCain. As the Bush organization pointed out in 2000, McCain fathered a Pigmented Baby out of wedlock. This is certainly not Good Christian behavior, and while it does render echoes of the years of Slavery, it is simply not up to the level of Sen. Allen’s more sophisticated White Pride.
No, it must be Senator Allen of Virginia in 2008.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Capt Freedick, Dont forget JC Watts. One of the finest men to ever sport the dark skin.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Mister Ed
that’s the first time I’ve ever actually been heckled on here by a talking/typing horsesarse!!
still LMFAO
Your brother sounds a hell of a lot smarter than you!!
I bet you’re secretly wishing you were one of Cartman’s uncledaddys!!
Cynthia Tucker is abouts as vile (politically speaking) as they get!!
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
Realist,
We need to forget JC Watts, who outdoes Sen McCain in the Pigmented-Babies-Out-of-Wedlock sweepstakes. Of course, he cannot help the Pigmented outcome, but his rampant adultery and degradation of Holy Wedlock render him unfit for the Republican Party.
If nothing else, our team respects the vows of marriage. You can look it up.
By Van
August 31, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
Maskedman,
If you are referring to the Mt. Soledad Cross, in San Diego, any suggestion of burning that cross would probability land you talking to police or feds. Being a National War Memorial it might be taken as a threat.
THis Mmemorial has been front and center of why the ACLU has been so marginalized lately. Just a bunch of wacky leftists trying to tear down another religious symbol. - BTW, why is the left so fearful of symbols?
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Capt Freeturd, I think sen Allen could learn a thing or two about white pride and hatred from DEMOCRATIC senator and KKK member ROBERT BYRD.
By JK
August 31, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Whoa… Did I ever claim to be affiliated with the ACLU? No. No I did not. “Lefties” are not the ones who came here to day saying “you are either with us or with THEM — no middle ground.” That was Van. I have personally witnessed not one single incidence of a lefty demanding that everyone stuff their religions back in the closet. If you have, I can assure you, it wasn’t me. I’m not attending ANY of your “camps” nor joining any of your marches or tirades, as I’d rather pay attention, look at the facts, and THINK FOR MYSELF. But thanks for thinking of me, Cloneheads.
By Van
August 31, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Captain Freedom,
Actually, I don’t support McCain because he is too liberal.
By Amelia
August 31, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
Amelia, So we can count on your vote (for McCain) come election time? I knew you would see the light and realize that there isnt anyone electable from the left.
As I have said before, I was once a card carrying member of the Republican party before they lost their bearings and forgot what true conservatism is. Also not being from around here, I have had a firsthand look at a country that proclaimed itself “democratic” but in actuality was an almost perfect dictatorship. The same thing is happening here and I don’t want to see it. And yes I will vote for McCain if he gets the nomination.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
Amelia is spot on! We are equally appalled by both fringes, as I would think any intelligent person would be.
I’m not sure I agree with the findings of this poll, either. I am a regular church attendee, in fact, I teach Sunday School. And I am a little offended (I say little because I am not convinced tftt has much of a brain) that, in addition to attacking SD’s political leanings, he/she/whatever tftt is, had to imply that anyone Catholic is an idiot. They aren’t.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
Realist,
I think Sen. Allen has outpaced the teacher in this regard. Certainly Sen. Byrd has never had the stones to dangle a non-Penis American over a high ledge to demostrate Gender Superiority. And Sen. Byrd definitely does not have the Strength of Will to look squarely into a video camera and utter a pointed racial putdown of one of those other people.
No, Sen. Byrd’s day has passed. Sen. Allen is the torchbearer for Godly White Christian Men in this day and age. Thank the Lord for men of his ilk, someone that can clearly express what the Republican Party really stands for.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
from a letter written by Dem Senator Robert Byrd regarding why he won’t fight in WWII
“with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
Lance Corporal FreedomlovingSyphilis
if you recall sick Willie Clinton also impregnated a black hooker in Arkansas and she had a lightly pigmented kiddie which is the spitting image of sick Willie. Unfortunately this deadbeat pardon selling sexual predator dad still ignores his innocent unwanted child to this day!!
By Dusty
August 31, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Time for truth,
You want to accuse the President of pandering to liberals. You post “Bush still acts like they (liberals) might one day actually be intellectually honest and meet him on common ground.”
Well, hooray for the President. He is a big enough man to realize that he is president of all citizens, whether they like him or not. He is showing great strength of character to reach out to those that don’t like him and continue to malign him.
What did you want him to do? Hate those that hate you?? He would betray his faith and the country with such an attitude.
Hitler and Stalin had such an attitude and I know we don’t want to replicate THEM.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
Yes, Realist, I can see why you admire Sen. Byrd. But his comments even then, 60 years ago when it was still okay to call a spade a spade, do not rise to the level of a man with the courage to look squarely at a video camera and say “Macaca”.
And, no Dana, the Catholics are not idiots. They combine the cleverness of the Jews with the visciousness of the Islamofascists and the reproductive prowess of Pigmented Americans. We misunderestimate them at our peril.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
The rampant stupidity displayed by some in here makes me ill sometimes.
By Van
August 31, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Captian Freedom,
You’re right.
They abuse their freedoms using such technicalities as the Constitution to abridge the freedoms of others to abridge the freedoms of others. And this just cannot stand.
While the First Amendment has been badly worked over by past court decisions, it still remainds. We have the right to worship as we please and the federal government can not impose a state religion on us. What the ACLU is trying is to impose a non-religious society, saying my religious symbols are taboo. The latin cross, the Star of David and the cresent moon are symbols of faith and do not impart anything onto anyone else. Whether they sit on private land or on public land should have no bearing. Being a free country, we can associate or not with these symbols, without interference from some far left wcked out group of malcontents.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Yeah capt, you limp wrist panzees always have an excuse or some lame comeback dont you.
If that we are republican you would be swearing that a man could never change after making statements like that and that he must still beleive that until this day.
That camera man got called macaca just like we get called cracker and chalkie. Get the f*** over it pal.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Van,
That is exactly the point! You are talking about a group of FAR left nutcases, not the average left leaning person in the US!
By getalife
August 31, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Hitler and Stalin had such an attitude and I know we don’t want to replicate THEM
Oh, but he is.
If you paid attention, you might notice it.
Hello, Fascism
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Yeah, Dana, I’m right there with you on that.
Realist, I have no doubt that Sen Byrd to this day maintains his admirable views. He just no longer has the courage to racebait the way some others do. Even Sen. Lieberman has more courage in the racebaiting arena than the tired ole Sen Byrd. Just look at the way he took down that silly Sharpton.
By Liberal Drive-by
August 31, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
“Slick Willie Clinton also impregnated a black hooker”
Got any proof of that?
By Redneck Convert
August 31, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
I’m sorry to see so many people behind this guy McCain. Far as I can see, he’s for race-mixin’. At least this fellow Allen Thinks Right, even if he don’t know how to spell the N-word. Who ever heard of macaca? It ain’t even close to how to spell it. All my kids can spell it, and they can say it right too, with the ah at the end.
There ain’t been a decent guy to vote for since Stoner died.
I might vote for this fella Frist. He knows how to tell what’s wrong with a sick woman just by watching a TV showing of her. I figure he’s got some kind of divine callin’. Too bad he waists his time cutting on gorillas and cats.
By Amelia
August 31, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Realist, let’s not fool ourselves. While there may not be a “leftist” democrat that can be elected, there are moderate dems that can. If the republicans nominate anyone that can be associated with the neo-cons or the extreme right, they will lose. Or stand a very good chance of losing.
By KW
August 31, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
This is a joke, but please rebut and prove them wrong, if you can.
Things you have to believe to be a Repugnican
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
The United States should get out of the United Nations, but our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart, as do oil companies.
Global warming is junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s military records, drug use and driving record is none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for recovery.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the 1970s and ’80s is irrelevant.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
Dana
the facts speak for themselves … the genodical, slave owning supremely sexist papists imposed the bible in what became the dominant form for centuries at the Council of Nicea, @ 325 C. E. - along with the absurd FIDEIST dogma of the Nicene Creed. 300+ years after some alleged events which were merely a smorgasbord of pagan myths and unreliable inventions that were extensively reworked by religious zealouts looking to impose yet another religion!!
read The Misery Of Christianity by Joachim Karl - an ordained German clergyman who rejected all the dogma back in the 1960’s. The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine - a truly treasonous English man (grin).
There is actually NOTHING original about the beliefs, rites and practice of christianity. All of it was stolen/adopted/adapted from so called pagan religions.
That is UNDENIABLE if you’ve ever actually read anything other than the various revised editions of the bible. History shows that most major religions/cults of their day were essentially adapted from that which (locally/regionally) preceded them. The “new” clergy demomised the “old gods” and borrowed sufficient from the old to make the new acceptable to folks who were pretty superstitious and hardly well read in comparative religion. HINT: look at Mithraism as just one example of christian sources.
all you did Dana was be emotive again …
remember the Dylan song JUST LIKE A WOMAN :)
By Rod
August 31, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
As far as Jim goes, the truth doesn’t really matter anyway. If the republicans take over 5 seats and the Democrats take over 12 seats, Jim will claim those 5 seats the Republicans took over are much more important. Jim, like several of his puppets on here, doesn’t care about facts or truth. Just propogating the “republican way.”
It’s a shame that an immoral and unethical person like Jim has a column to air his lies and prejudices.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Amelia, Name a moderate dem that the party is standing behind right now? i dont see any….
Also, help me out with exactly what a neo-con is. At least in your mind. So we can have a meaningul discussion and I know your definition. ????
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
see the National Enquiree story of a few years back - the photo of the light skinned kid is stunningly exactly like sick Willie -the hooker gives chapter and verse of events and is very credible and sick Willie did NOT give up a DNA sample to prove his innocence!!
By Richard
August 31, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
Hey KW - your 10:54 post wasn’t a joke: it was the truth!
By Dusty
August 31, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
What is the matter with some of you “gentlemen”? Don’t you read anything besides the Inquirer?
Leave the babies and the body parts out of this discussion. This isn’t the pool hall, in case you haven’t noticed.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
Dusty
please love - STOP BITING!!!
By Dana
August 31, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
In my opinion, the ONLY way this country will be able to maintain any strength, and even attempt to gain what we have lost, is for a more centrist government to be elected. The fringers are tearing this country apart, as fast as they can, and maintain that they have no responsibility for the damage that is occuring daily.
I may lean left but I am sick to death of being told I cannot say “Merry Christmas” during Dec, or pray out loud before I eat a meal in public. I am sick to death of being told I hate America because I am appalled by the war. My opposition to the way the war has been run does not mean that I think we should “understand” the terrorists, it means I think the war is being run by idiots whom I wouldn’t allow to cut my grass! and now I have allowed myself to become angry so it’s time to step back a moment.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
KW,
It would be a funny joke but it is the truth and very sad.
They hate abortion but love blowing up babies into pieces.
Go figure.
By JK
August 31, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
KW, you forgot one at 10:54:
Yes, Republicans, please tell us which items in KW’s list do not apply to you. I’d rather take YOUR word for it, so please enlighten us!
By Van
August 31, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
I still would like to know why the left is so fearful of religious symbols, that the ACLU would want to bring down all of them.
By Whatever
August 31, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Trends that favor Democrats are everything that President Bush is doing. From a failed war, high gas prices, a flat economy, hurricane Katrina victims and the list goes on and on. The trends the favor Republicans are the fear of more terror on US soil and the increase in memberships to hate groups.
It is unfortunate that we are polarized by religion but it is not an all and one situation. There are republicans and democrats who are extreme in their religious beliefs and those that are not. The polarization comes when one groups begins to judge another and perceive that “their” way is better and everyone else is going to hell.
@ Pete, ha-ha-ha! That is a good one but come on we’d like to hear what you have to say!
@ Time, there you go judging, criticizing and insulting people. Who cares if Harold is limp wristed, I am sure he is still able to vote. I appreciate how right winged you are in your thinking. When all else fails, resort to name calling! So predictable.
@ Clairvoyant, I agree.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
” I am sick to death of being told I cannot say “Merry Christmas” during Dec, or pray out loud before I eat a meal in public.”
Dana, I am proud to stand beside you on these issues. We have more in common than you’d like to imagine.
I, too, have felt the stinging shame during my Holyday shopping when the clerks JC Penney harshly chastised me for saying Merry Christmas. Well, she actually did not chastise me outright, but rather said “Happy Holidays”, which I understood to be code for “you can stuff your religion where the sun don’t shine pal”, and it was this subtle code, which offered no recourse for objection or even violence, that burned me hot with shame.
And how dare the manager of Ryan’s interrupt my rendition of Nearer My God to Thee as I prepared to tuck into my Sunday repast? Keep it down indeed. I have my rights, and nobody from the ACLU rushed to my defense either. In fact, when I called their office to see if they might actually take up the cause of a White Christian Male, the laughter from the other end of the phoneline just brought back the burning shame.
How I wished to have sired offspring at that moment, so that I would have had someone to bear the brunt of my anger and shame.
By Rod
August 31, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
Hey KW and JK, althought the Republicans are in complete power (Congress and President), the Republican bloggers in here continue to blame everything on the liberals. I guess they’re admiting that even though they’re in power, they’re to inept to get anything done!
By Liberal Drive-by
August 31, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
“the hooker gives chapter and verse of events and is very credible and sick Willie did NOT give up a DNA sample”
Repubs trust the word of hookers over Presidents. I guess that’s why they listened attentively as Chalabi and Curveball manipulated them into Iraq. Suckers!
By Dana
August 31, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
Time,
Don’t bite off more than you can chew, I am VERY aware of early (and current) Christian beliefs, yes, I know where they came from. I know why the Christian calendar is the way it is, I am quite aware that it very closely mimics the “pagan” calendar. Note that at no point have I attempted to shove my religion down your throat.
As for being “just like a woman” well, YEAH, what else would you have me be? I LIKE being a woman, is that a problem for you?
By Liberal Drive-by
August 31, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
I still would like to know why the left is so fearful of religious symbols, that the ACLU would want to bring down all of them.
We don’t want the Gov’t promoting religion, at all! Judging from my cable channels there are more black liberals in church than anyone else.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
This is what I am talking about
Fascism is in this country.
By Van
August 31, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
Liberal Drive-by,
How does our government promote religion? Displaying crosses or Stars of David on tombstones in Arlington? Displaying Crosses at war memorials? How about on the steeples of Chruches?
By JK
August 31, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Van, not that you care what I think, but for what it’s worth, I fear no religious symbol. I support the rights of individuals to wear, display, and worship whatever religious symbols appeal to their individual souls. The only restrictions I’d offer would be to keep them out of the government which is under obligation to represent ALL the citizens equally, regardless of religion. Favoring one symbol over another BY THE GOVERMENT gives the appearance of, if not the direct implication of favoritism, which is contrary to the purpose of representing and serving ALL the people equally.
No one has ever tried to restrict my free exercise of religion, nor I another. Please share your personal trauma in this regard, so we may understand.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Dana
I have FACTUALLY hammered educated/ordained christian clergymen on this hilarious subject in the UK, clergy that have been through a real academic seminary - not the micky mouse virtually self ordained pastors you get so many of over here.
If you know what fideism means then you have already lost the logical argument.
I note you dont challenge any of my facts = as you normally do when you at least emotively “feel” I am wrong.
every single bit of christianity is NOT original … all the festivals/the saints (except the more moden ones) are unoriginal - think roman/greek pantheons, the dualism and eschatology is largely ripped off from Zoroastrians etc , as is the blood/body of christ thang and risen saviour god …. read about Osiris … its hilarious knowing that millions of folks follow a pagan religion which has been systematically rammed down their throats historically to the point where now there is little real questioning of any of it. mohammedanism is actually even sillier factually and arguably more flawed its origins … just read with, a sceptical eye the koran to see that - as I have!!
the dylan song was just a quip - to see if I could get you to bite like Dusty!! :)
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 31, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Don’t worry, Ms. Anny Wooten, the Repugs were never in danger for November or any time soon.
The United States has become a nation of stupid, arrogant, ignorant, racist, and cowardly bullies - look at the kkkon regulars here - the Iraqi war fantasy heroes Major J. Buttmustard Law and Colonel Beauregard T. Realist, Dusty with her Munchausens-by-proxy sending her children around the world to kill or be killed for a moron like Dumbya (look it up kkkons) so she can pretend she’s a good American, transgendered old English queen wannabe Americans like tftt - the flatulent transvestite terdburglar, and just plain old stupid hillbilly trash like Ugotta and Van.
No one will ever go broke overestimating the stupidity of the red state electorate. Ignorance and hate are actually the core of their political ideology - they confuse willful ignorance for independent thinking, hate radio indoctrination for education, and racism and xenophobia for civic responsibility.
Their dumbed-down flag-waving KKKhristianity a mockery of human decency, no different than the Teutonic spectacles of Hitler’s Nazis. Let’s face it - the typical red stater, like the typical Islamic fundamentalist, has the mindset and ethics of a cornered animal.
Rove and the Repugs know this, and they stoop to conquer.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Hello, all the red flags are up
Wake up people.
By James
August 31, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Just sopping in to read Jim’s garbage column again and I get a great laugh from Captian Freedom and Redneck Convert! You guys are the best!
Religion should be taken moderately ..with care. If you believe it literally then you become Van, if you believe none of it then you become TFTT. Conservative love the first type because religion (not sprituality) causes you to lose common sense and reason. You fall into the “Earth is flat” crowd and any science that proves otherwise is just a liberal conspiracy.
Just an engineer’s perspective, moving the human race in the RIGHT direction.
By Amelia
August 31, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Realist, the democrats have 2 years to find or “create” a moderate. For the definition of neo-conservatism you need look no further than the present administration and their foreign policy. Check out the ideology of Leo Stauss, William Krystol, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, and Dick Cheney and you will see that this administration is most definately neo-con. True conservatives don’t run huge deficits and steer clear of foreign entanglements. They don’t believe in big government. They don’t believe in government interference in private lives. Barry Goldwater was a true conservative. Neo-cons find it critical to have an enemy by which to foist their agenda on a populace through the utilization of fear. Without fear and an enemy it would be very hard for them to gain acceptance. They believe in big government. The present administration’s actions and policies do not adhere to the tenets of true conservatism. Don’t pay attention to what they say they represent. Their actions don’t indicate that they are conservative in any way.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Time,
My ability to read, reason, think, and intuit has nothing whatsoever to do with your lack of faith. You are welcome to your belief, or your lack thereof. I’m not going to insult you for it, as I take exception to your lame attempt to insult me for mine. Yes, I know what fideism is, and no, sorry, I haven’t lost a thing.
Yeah, you did get me on the Dylan ref, and I’ll even agree that I was pretty predictable on that one. So what? What is your point? I’ll even laugh about it, I DID walk right into that one!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 31, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
In the chest of every redneckrepug beats the heart of a terrorist. The blood of confederate traitors flows through their veins, the flag of treason waves in their dreams, and the dirty sheets of their Klan costumes keep them warm at night…
If they only had some courage… and brains.
huge smirk
By Amelia
August 31, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
The right wing of the republican party has successfully created the myth that religion and “conservatism” are synonomous. They are not. The present administration has used that notion to polarize this nation as part of their strategy to accomplish their neo-conservative foreign policy goals. Without that element involved it would be virtually impossible for them to have the support that they need to do it. The nation is waking up however.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
Unfortunately,we ARE polarized by religion in this country. And I’ll use the word “religion” rather than “faith” here because in my opinion there is a huge difference between the two. However, we are all aware that polls are taken to prove a point, not to discover one.
And that’s all for me today folks, I think this is a topic better discussed among people who have respect for each others opinions, even if they do not share them. Unfortunately, that rarely happens with this group!
By Dusty
August 31, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
RedNecks,
Too bad I can’t stick around and listen to your hatefest. Do they come every day or just every other day? There must be something you could take for that. Is there a doctor in the crowd?
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
This just off the AP Wire:
(Colorado) Stealing a page from Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, John Mark Karr has decided to continue in his fight to receive a guilty verdict in the death of Jonbenet Ramsey by taking his case “…directly to the people.” In a sternly worded declaration, the lame duck school teacher vowed to continue to seek a guilty verdict against himself in a special “Bust the Sad Boy” election in November.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Dana
no one has insulted you for your belief - but I have very robustly questioned the deeply flawed precepts etc of that belief (I dont regard it as your ‘personal’ one - as you didn’t invent it personally).
I was also trying to spark a debate on this fun packed topic - but no one -other than you and some halfwit called Mister Ed has really had a go.
I see your not willing to actually debate in detail the “unoriginality” of christinaity - which is fair enough - no one says you have to. But others on here might be unaware of the facts I’ve raised - so it was a public service too!!
By Liberal
August 31, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Sometimes news stories get way too sensationalized to the point of delerium (I know, what a surprise). Contrary to the fears of many, here are a few points
1)There is no way in hell that religious symbols would be banned on tombstones in military cemetaries. I don’t know anyone who would support such a thing.
2)THERE IS NO WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!! I have never seen anyone be offended by “Merry Christmas”. Never in my life. I ‘ve never seen a nativity scene taken down, and if one has, it is eventually reinstated.
3)I have never seen students being banned from praying at school. Yes, it is illegal for schools to lead prayer, but students can pray on their own if they want. In fact, the ACLU has defended the rights of people to pray in public.
I understand how vehemently people want to protect tradition. It’s understandable and praiseworthy. Just don’t chase your tail and get worked up over the small stuff.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
I have decided to capitalize on recent publicity by dedicating my life to the Lord. During some quiet time during my recent incarceration I was able to complete a correspondence Divinity degree - the curriculum was quite demanding, taking the better part of the weekend to complete, but I have received my ordination from the Reverend Earl Paulk Institute. Let me tell you, even though my father is a minister and instilled many fine values in me, I did not know that the curriculum would be so intellectually rigorous - even this Alabama junior college graduate was stumped sometimes.
As soon as I clear up some minor legal matters in godless California, I intend to return to my God-fearing native South and become a youth minister. Working with children is my calling, teaching them sound Christian values is my service to Christ.
With regard to today’s topic, Mr. Wooten is right - good Christians like me vote GOP. There is nothing the Democrats can do to change that.
By JK
August 31, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, in your opinion, is this a good use of $20 million tax dollars? Just curious.
U.S. military leaders in Baghdad have put out for bid a two-year, $20 million public relations contract that calls for extensive monitoring of U.S. and Middle Eastern media in an effort to promote more positive coverage of news from Iraq. The contract calls for assembling a database of selected news stories and assessing their tone as part of a program to provide “public relations products” that would improve coverage of the military command’s performance, according to a statement of work attached to the proposal.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
Liberal Writes: “Just don’t chase your tail and get worked up over the small stuff.”
The Captain suspects your post is directed his way, and the burning shame returns anew.
1) I am a Godly White Male, and do not “chase tail”, not even my own.
2) Your reference to my “small stuff” is a silly locker-room taunt, one that I have learned to ignore for lo these many years of ridicule. Mostly.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
Captain Freedom, I’d like you to speak to some of the groups in my Youth Ministry, if you are willing to shave off all your body hair.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
my ability to read, reason, think,
but your religion does cloud yours Dana - you see things through a papist/catholic prism of superstition/dogma etc. which clearly inhibits objective logical reasoning and informs your attitudes and more tellingly your collective subconscious catholic reactions far more rigidly than if you had no religion.
rabid catholic sexism, dogma on abortion, contraception, womens’ subervient role in your religion, mind control by the church etc all this clouds your ‘uncritical’ (to at least some degree you must admit) “thinking”.
By Rush Limbaugh
August 31, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
The Reverend John Mark Karr will be accompanying me on my next trip to the Dominican Republic. We will be exploring new ways to show our love for the little children.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Captain Freedom, I’d like you to speak to some of the groups in my Youth Ministry, if you are willing to shave off all your body hair.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
The Captain appreciates the offer to Minster to Youth, but regrets that his body hair is a prized feature of the Captain’s “physique”. Like the mighty Podhoretz, I am amply girthed and am blessed with a sweaterlike covering of proud public hair. My greatest daily pleasure is combing my wiry locks from my neck to my knees, and everything in between.
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Of course, Mrs. Freedom combs my back and a few other hard to reach places. Credit where credit is due.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Sorry Time, you aren’t going to pull me back in with your not so subtle digs. I don’t care what you think or believe, and I don’t care what you think of me. I’m happy you think you add value with your “public service” announcement.
For the record, I do not consider myself to be “religious”, I do, however, consider myself “faithful” I am intelligent enough to not take “religion” literally, and observant enough to believe that divine intervention is present in human life. Maybe sometime I would be willing to have that discussion with you, but that isn’t today’s topic, and, unfortunately, you haven’t shown yourself to be open to any ideas other than your own.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
WOW … looks like rednekkks has finally got some REALLY SERIOUS competiton for JM Karr’s heart and asssoul!!!
you snooze you lose rednekkks … still at least you can always correspond romantically with Charlie Manson …. ooops you’re already doing that!!! my bad!
By BOHICA
August 31, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Not a dime’s worth of difference between Dems and Reps, IMHO.
Most people have key issues that they care about and try to find candidates who most closely aligns with their particular point of view. Both parties take poll after poll and try to manuever to take advantage of these opinions - much like a Bookie moving the point spread to sway betting.
After they get elected, both sides will ignore their constituents until the next election cycle.
Think about that this November.
BOHICA = Bend Over, Here It Comes Again…
By Markus
August 31, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Oh BOY what a great topic o’day! This has sure brought out the neosocialist loonbat liberals today! Glad to see that representative of Lucifer, Rednex, is here to spout it’s hate venom, as if anyone pays attention to it’s posts much anyway.
That said, I think this blog and the kook neosocialist loon terrorist appeasing liberals give everyone enough of an idea of where the mainstream party of the jackass resides.
These asspirates on the fringe left call us “facsists?” These are the people that get offended at crosses on cemetaries of dead soldiers and want all signs of Christianity removed in public. PERIOD.
These are the people afraid of God (and they say we’re afraid of terrorists. HAH!)
These are the people that want to take away healthcare that is perfectly GOOD for 84% of this nation, turn it over to the federal government, and ruin it for all so the remaining 16% with no healthcare can be “equal.” (I’d just LOVE to see what these people with no healthcare drive and have in their homes).
These are the people who want to grant the UN legal authority in the United States to monitor and report anything “offensive” by international standards against a group, people, faction, nation, or religion, and have your @ss hauled into an internationa court for a trial.
These are the people that don’t want you to have the RIGHT to private education or other educational alternatives.
These are the people that will smack your @ss back down if you DARE step out of the bounds of doing something on your own that might cause you to be “better” than someone else who didn’t have said initiative.
These are the people that want the Second Amendment repealed.
These are the people that want to control your entire life from cradle to grave for the “good of the whole.” (And these pathetic liberal cretins call US fascists).
These are the people who never see threats to the US and when they actually do get their heads out of their collective @sses, they try to sign BS peace treaties and appease (North Korea anyone?).
These are the people who feel America and her military are too powerful and must be brought back into “check” with the rest of the world. Because just like at home, we shouldn’t be “better” than other nations out there either.
These are the people that say that when there are very real threats out there, they are being “overhyped” or dismissed as “scare tactics” (while knowing under their nappy liberal breath they’d be the FIRST to blame Bush if something happened).
In short, while the GOP may have ticked off a lot of people, myself included, I’ll be DAMNED if I’m going to turn anything over to the neomarxist terrorist appeasers on the left. This blog over the past few months has SAID IT ALL for me. with regards to where the party of the jackass comes from. Not only no, but HELL NO.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Dana
there must be some kind of divine intervention somewhere - the gigolo Kerry and the AlBore both LOST!!
By Dana
August 31, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Time - here is an interesting tidbit for you.
I’m not Catholic.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Captain, I like to consider myself an expert on “small stuff”, and I’m sure that you will find my new ministry helpful in finding your way to Heaven on earth.
That is, if you are willing to shave off all that nasty body hair. Remember, cleanliness is next to Godliness. And, like the Lord, I like ‘em squeaky clean!
Yours in fundamentalism,
Reverend John Mark
By Realist
August 31, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Amelia, I wont argue with you on the fiscal side of things. This admin has definately stretched my patience thin from that point of view. But regarding the comment about steering clear of foriegn entanglements, I have to side with GW on that one. He didnt go looking for the “entanglement”, it found us.
Now, as I know you will say, Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on 09/11, all I can say is hindsight is 20/20. I dont think we knew that for sure going in and I dont really think that Bush intentionally lied to the public. I think he was trying to err on the side of caution. I do beleive he is making a mistake to stand so boldenly on the same convictions today, but as I said earlier, I beleive just in time for elections he will soften this stance and win over many who are on the fence.
By Markus
August 31, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
And ANOTHER reason to keep these Aholes out of power is you just KNOW they love the idea of Bush being assassinated:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365246-details/President+Bush+assassinated+in+new+TV+docudrama/article.do
The left in this nation and around the world can get away with freaking ANYTHING. Can you imagine the uproar if a movie was made to simulate Hillary being assassinated? Maybe those who made this will die in a plane crash.
By Liberal
August 31, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
(I’d just LOVE to see what these people with no healthcare drive and have in their homes).
They probably don’t have cars and have crappy furniture in their homes. It’s hard to imagine 40 million people trying to defraud the government at at once…
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Markus, thank God you are here! The Captain has to leave for work now, and he is heartened to know that there is another able-fingered keyboardist to handle defense of his point of view while I am away.
I do hate to leave this, debate, for fear that the “kook neosocialist loon terrorist appeasing liberals” might hold sway, but I’m sure you can handle their tiny brained spew. But alas, Mr Patel (damn his haughty pigmented hide) frowns upon tardiness at the all-you-can-eat-buffet where I manage the salad bar (it really is not as effeminate as it sounds).
So fire away Markus, and keep Freedom Free.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Dana
but christianity entirely stemmed from catholic dogma!!
By fascism
August 31, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
The face of fascism
By Liberal
August 31, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
The film is just a hypothetical, it isn’t an incitement to kill the president. Just think of the Clint Eastwood movie “In the Line of Fire”.
And if a film was made that simulated the assassination of Hillary Clinton and depicted what would ensue afterward, I’m sure that most people wouldn’t get their underwear in a bunch.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
I actually voted for Bush in the first election. Before I realized he is not at all the kind of person I want running our country. But he seemed better than Gore. And had you paid attention, you would have noticed my post some weeks ago in which I admited that I didn’t vote for Kerry or Bush in the last election.
dammit, you just pulled me in again and I took the bait. You irritate me tremendously, which is, I am sure, exactly what you aim to do. I think you are an idiot and here I am arguing with you.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
The faces of fascism
By @@
August 31, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten: I’ve been a liberal church attendee and I’m now a wiser conservative church attendee. In the past, I’ve supported some liberal policies i.e. abortion, welfare, no prayer in schools only to realize now that unintended consequences have resulted from my actions. The radical left of the Democrat Party has taken these compromises by people like myself, abused them, and seek to push them even farther. After seeing the adverse effects it’s had on our society, I can’t support that anymore. It’s been too destructive and I realized it too late.
At this point, there’s nothing that can cast the Dems in a favorable light for me. They’ve allowed their party to become too extreme. Republicans have begun to weaken themselves through political pandering. That disappoints me. I want a strong unified party to represent and protect my country and its’ people.
Religion? I rarely discuss it. It’s very personal to me and I don’t insist anyone adhere to my beliefs. I get angry when the faithful are pigeonholed. When we’re associated with people like Warren Jeffs, a narcissistic self-appointed prophet. I see more hatred coming from the radical left towards the faithful than I see flowing in the opposite direction.
Last night on Luckovich’s blog, the last comment I read was from a liberal.
“Pimp your god in church.”
Nice….huh?
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Dana,
Ignore that tftt toad. I do.
You and I…we are meant for each other. Especially since you reassured us that you are not a Papist.
Fondly, CF
By Hadden Knough
August 31, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Realist, on what issues and it what manner do you want Bush to “soften his stance”. I’m kind of curious because I wish he would harden his stance. That is when he is at his best. That is when he gets his message across to more people.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
The film will premier at the Toronto Film Festival in September and was written and directed by Gabriel Range.
Markus, Regarding that sick film about killing the President, not to worry. As you can see by the comment above, its only being shown at the Toronto film festival, which we all know is nothing but a bunch of patuoli oil wearing, clove smoking, gay fashion misfits who think thier arts fartsy creations actually have some impact on the world, which they dont, other than to give other out of work, limp wristed c** gobblers soemthign to talk about over their noon lattes.
f*** em and anybody who looks like em
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
They probably don’t have cars and have crappy furniture in their homes. It’s hard to imagine 40 million people trying to defraud the government at at once…
you elitist snotty snob you Liberal!! :)
are you just another aspiring limousine liberal type, seeking to ride the demented Bush hate tide to fame and fortune and then having made it - dump on any poor slob poorer than you!! …grin
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
My worldwide youth ministry has taken me all over the US, Europe, and most recently to my favorite place of all, Bangkok. In Mr. Limbaugh I’ve found a kindred spirit, a dedicated God-fearing Christian who likes children almost as much as I do! He has generously stepped forward to sponsor a ministry to several Christian youth homes in Santo Domingo DR and Port au Prince Haiti.
Naturally, the homes are sex-segregated. I like to spend most of my time with the little girls in Santo Domingo, while Rush has a way with the Haitian boys - he has these little purple pills that let him minister to the boys for hours at a time!
In this way, we spread not only Christianity, but love for America and American values around the world!
By Islamofascists
August 31, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Capt. Freedom,
We have you surrounded. There is no escape. We have also enlisted the help of the liberals, abortionists, ACLU, and the NEA to take away your freedomes. There is no stopping us this time. Just put down your keyboard and let the little girl go.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Yes, thank you so much for pointing out the obvious! Just because the Catholics are/were the first “Christians” doesn’t mean that many of us have come to believe that while the basic tenants of catholisicm are true (we all be lieve Jesus is the son of God, and we believe God exists) we have, over the years, broken with the Catholic church. That doesn’t mean we are unaware from whence we came. Try another tactic. This one may be keeping me engaged but it isn’t much of a showcase of your debating skills.
By Markus
August 31, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Thx for the clarification Realist. All you had to say was Toronto Film Festival. Like Cannes, it’s nothing but a bunch of international mindless minions that all share commonality of communism and appeasement.. like like our horseass leftwing loonbat liberals here. They’re all equally worthless and weak.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Lance Corporal syphilis is getting mighty uppity … that much stronger dose of penicillin obviously hasn’t cured its latest outbreak!!
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
My “little girl”!?!?!?
I accept the teasing about size, but I cannot sit idly by and allow my little soldier to suffer the insult of Gender-handicap. You sir, are cruel without limit.
Now, off to the harsh dominion of Mr Patel, General Manager.
By Liberal
August 31, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
I’m still a broken-down-car liberal type. Unfortunately I won’t be able to graduate to “limosuine liberal” status until Bush is long gone out of office. LOL!
By LiberalsRNuts
August 31, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
By Alemia If the republican party refuses to move to the center it is doomed over the course of time.
It’s funny you say that. Moving from the center is exactly what has doomed the dems the last 10 years, and will continue to do so. Michael Moore, Alex Baldwin, Babs Streisand and Al Franken ARE NOT, repeat NOT, mainstream America. Keep moving left Dems.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Hadden Nough, I believe he needs to, and will, soften the “stay the course” rhetoric as it relates to Iraq, not the war on terror. I think he will soften up to his critics about the state of Iraq, the civil war issue there, etc. I think he is alienating alot of people by standing in front of them and telling them Iraq is a success when it clearly is not. Im certainly not saying soften on our mission in Iraq, because regarding that I beleive MORE force is nessecary, not less. Im simply saying I think Bush needs to speak to the heart of AMericans about what is really going on in Iraq, own up to mistakes and miscalculations and pose some new ideas. Thats all.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Why Realist, how very Christian of you.
Last night I watched the thing they call Ann spew and one caller asked it why so angry and why not talk without the name calling.
It ranted about liberals for the rest of the show and I saw a real ugly mindset like Real pos.
These are very bad, mean spirited people spewing hate like it is nothing. So I say, what the hell, spew onto others as they spew onto you.
By Markus
August 31, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
I suggest that if anyone believes gotnolife’s 12:37 insinuation that only conservatives spew “hate” please reference this website and check out the bogs. You’ll see satanic venom spit on everything from killing W to killing all redstaters. This, folks, is the representation of the modern limpwristed left. If you don’t want these KOOKS running things, get off your butts this November and keep these neomarxist liberal pigs out of power.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Out.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Captain, let me minister to your suffering as I layeth mine hands uponeth your little girl and easeth hers and thine pain in the name of the Lord of the fundamentalists…
Meet me behind the revival tent. Or in Reverend Paulk’s spare bedroom in the basement.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
And if a film was made that simulated the assassination of HiTllary Clinton and depicted what would ensue afterward, I’m sure that most people wouldn’t get their underwear in a bunch.
Not me Liberal - I’d be way too busy partying for at least a week in joyous anticipation of the real thing!! and for at least a month if it wasn’t just wimpily simulated …smirk
By Dana
August 31, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Or you could REALLY be intelligent and keep the extremists of BOTH sides out!
By Rod
August 31, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Well, I see some more U.S. Soldiers died in Iraq. That’s some more families that will never see their loved ones again. For what? Nothing, just to bloat Bush’s ego that he can do damn well whatever he pleases - even murdering our own sons.
If you’re not sickened at how many men we continue to lose for no purpose, then clearly you have no children or soul.
By MrLiberty
August 31, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
I am a libertarian. I know the difference between conservative and liberal, between socialism and totalitarianism, and what I know is that the very future of america and the world may depend on democrats winning a majority of the seats in the house and the senate.
The dictator that was elected president is out of control. He is a war criminal, a traitor, and has violated both his oath to the constitution and the constitution itself. He needs to be impeached, stripped of his citizenship, and turned over to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes and genocide. Chenny, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzales, and several dozen more cabinet members deserve the same fate.
Republicans no longer recognize the role they are supposed to play in this government of ours. The senate and house are not supposed to be puppets of the president, they are supposed to be adversaries and an equal branch.
Currently no one is standing up to the legal violations this man is committing. With a majority of democrats there might be hope. Once the criminal is out of the White House we can then work to put two parties in power that actually care about freedom and liberty.
What Bush may want to do during the next two years may very well imperil the united states itself as other nations of the world finally get tired of the instability and horrors we are creating accross the globe.
The ballot box is the best way to handle this issue, and I urge everyone to think hard about the future of this country and set partisan politics aside. Of course the democrats are horrible, but they may be the only hope we have (what a sorry thought).
By Realist
August 31, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
By Hadden Knough
August 31, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Realist, on what issues and it what manner do you want Bush to “soften his stance”. I’m kind of curious because I wish he would harden his stance. That is when he is at his best. That is when he gets his message across to more people.
I dont mean soften on his position or method of handling the war on terror. I think he could benefit as could opinion of the republican party if he would back off of the “stay the course” hardline rhetoric we hear regarding Iraq. I too bleieve MORE force is called for in Iraq, not less. I simply beleive if the Presidnt would admit some failures and miscalculations regarding Iraq and talk about new ideas rather than constantly hammering the “its my way or the highway” mentality it could benefit him. Thats all. And I think we will see him do that. You cant keep preaching everyting is working as planned when it clearly isnt and everybody knows it.
By Harry
August 31, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
I see TFTT spits upon the Christian religion and then praises the Republican party - they which try to pronounce themselves as God-fearing Christians.
Sounds like TFTT must be an idiot (oh, sorry - all of you already knew that). I see she talks out of both sides of her mouth (gee, I guess that does make her a Republican).
By Van
August 31, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Are we polarized by religion? Yes,
On one hand we have folks that believe in Freedom of Religion and some that believe in Freedon from Religion.
It is that simple.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
maggot brain is still spewing its toxic hate against its conservative betters - you aren’t even fit to shine Ms Coulters shoes with your diseased DNC stained tongue bubba!!
By getalife
August 31, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Markus frequents this nice hate site monitored by the FBI
Peace out.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
the leftist fairy Harry needs hosing down with some of rednekkks typical anti-white bile!!
By NUMBER TO CALL B4549
August 31, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Getalife, Im curious how you blog here day after day yet nobody acknowledges you or anything you say. How sad that must be for you.
By Sandy
August 31, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
TFTT shows how dimwitted she truly is. She loves to spout off big words and sound important. However, when called on something, she resorts to childish behavior and name calling. It’s a pity really.
By Hadden Knough
August 31, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Realist, thanks for the clarification. I agree. He has done a very poor job of informing beyond simple platitudes. No one expects a war to go perfectly or that all the decisions arising from them to be 100% acccurate. However, this country has been trained by the left and the media for the last 40+ years to believe that every miscalculation is a result of gross negligence that goes all the way to top and that every battle with casualties is a sign we have lost the war already. You are right, people want to know what is going on. When that doesn’t happen they will get information any place they can. Vietnam was the left’s/media’s first victory in this regard. Bush can’t let that happen again.
By Harry
August 31, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Yeah, TFTT - I see you couldn’t argue my point. The only thing your little mind could do is start your name calling again.
Na-na-na-na-na. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words aren’t worth sh1t.
By getalife
August 31, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Hadden Knough - are you stupid enough to blame Vietnam on the media?
By getalife
August 31, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
uh oh. I have been wanked.
12:57 not mine but feel free to bash the wingnuts with my name.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Van
I believe in both - equally enforced … allow freedom to practice all non hateful, non-violent religion so cults like Calypso Louis’ racist numerology loving alien spaceship drivel along with illegal polygamous mormon child molesting would be banned.
and freedom from religion would be there to ensure that those of us who want that are allowed to be free of attempts to impose religion on us and be preached at.
obviously there’s a balance there that’s yet to be actually determined. and a whole other argument about who determines that balance!!
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
TFTT, your atheism troubles me.
I know you spend a lot of time on your knees - who are you praying to, TFTT? Satan??
Son, let me show you some of Jesus’s love for you. Get on your knees and pray with me, the Right Reverend John Mark.
After prayers - we’ll take off all our clothes and I’ll ride you around like a little horsie, and we’ll get you a new dress and some more makeup - won’t that be fun?
By Realist
August 31, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
Amen Hadden Nough. I think its obvious he is getting some bad advice. And yes, I agree that its out of fear of being unfairly crucified and having his comments misconstrued in the media that prevents him/them from changing course.
I think this president has the moxy and the ability to speak to peoples hearts and convictions though. Its what got him elected in the first place. When the timing is right I think he will pull it off again and get the polls and swings back in our favor.
By Rod
August 31, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
Why did the Republicans run away from KW’s post earlier today? Let’s replay it:
Things you have to believe to be a Repugnican
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
The United States should get out of the United Nations, but our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart, as do oil companies.
Global warming is junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s military records, drug use and driving record is none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for recovery.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the 1970s and ’80s is irrelevant.
You must hate abortion but love blowing up babies into pieces.
The National Enquirer is a rag filled with ridiculous lies, unless it runs a story about the Clintons, in which case it is a model of journalistic integrity reporting the irrefutable trooof! Hahaha!
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
fairy queen Harry
after you called me “she” and became sharply partisan I could see all you really wanted was a sharp abusive witty put down - so I delivered one you snivelling leftist wanker!!
sharp enough for ya?
By Harry
August 31, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
TFTT, you’re getting slacker by the minute. That was as weak and limp as George Bush’s erections.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
looks like fairy queen Harry’s evil hermaphrodite twin Sandy has witlessly slithered to its defence!!
sod off love!!
and take the sick child molesting JM Karr with you!!
By want it both ways
August 31, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
Why can’t we get a party or leader that respects the freedom of the American people to have abortions, run their businesses without government interference, participate in no religion whatsoever and keep our hard earned money in our pockets and spend it as we please. Must the conservatives be blinded by believe in some imaginary being and try limit my freedom based that mistaken belief. Why must the liberals try every way possible to take as much of my money as possible and waste it on badly designed and run government giveaways to hopeless losers and tell me how to run my business. The worst of all is liberals being to afraid to actually stick up for the American people and our way or life for fear of offending someone. What we need is a good atheist killer for president. One who truly believes in the freedom from government and religious intrusions into private citizens lives and is will to hunt down and kill our enemies. Once elected churches will start paying their fair of taxes like everyone else or be bulldozed to the ground. Enemies beware. After the televised execution of all the terrorist at Guantanamo bay on the White house lawn on 09/11 we will come for you. No where on this planet will be safe and make no mistake I’m talking about turning your so called holy land into smoking radioactive hole in sand. Kill’em all let thier imaginary being of choice sort’em out.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
fairy queen Harry …the Secret Service are on their way to arrest you - you’re going to be charged with sexually stalking the President - you lice infested deranged liberal dickhead!!
By Harry
August 31, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
Oh, ouch, darn! TFTT came back with such a witty retort!! NOT!
Okay, so you’ve contacted the Secret Service on me? Yeah, I’d like to hear that conversation. “Hello, Secret Service? Yes, there’s a man on a blog I write on that said the President’s erections are weak and limp. Yes please, go kill this man as he’s sexually stalking the President!”
Then, you resorted to your fail-safe routine: name calling. Still mighty weak. If you’d get that dick out of your mouth you might be able to come up with something better to say.
By THE TROOF
August 31, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Things you have to beleive to be a Demoncrat
There may or may not be a Jesus, either way we would rather you didnt say his name or reference his life in any way except in the privacy of your own basement while hiding beneath a blanket with a flashlight.
Trade with all countries should be allowed despite how thier people are treated and tortured.
The United States should yield all foreign policy and authority to the mighty UN.
12 year olds can have thier unborn babies killed but dont you dare say a prayer before a football game.
The best way to improve military morale is to reduce thier numbers and strengths, teach them sensitivity training, and keep them home rather than abroad.
If condoms are put in schools adolescents won’t get pregnant. And if they do, just kill it.
A good way to fight terrorism is to send a gift basket and have your wife bake a pie and send it over.
Providing health care to all Americans at twice the cost and half the quality of what we have now.
The SCLC and ACLU have the best interest of the public at heart, as do all the trial lawyers.
Global warming and hurricanes will be the end of the world, and it us upon us.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is cool. But a president trying to enlist support for a war in defense of thousands of murdered Americans is criminal!
Government should not limit itself in any way whatsoever.
The public has a right to know whatever we choose to force down your throat, including lies about George Bush military and driving record.
Being a drug addict is a good way to get elected in Massachusettes.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s was so cool man. Here, toke up.
You must love abortion which tears babies and sometimes thier mothers into peices.
By Redneck Convert
August 31, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Well, I never seen so many things upset since Joe Bill swallowed a handful of viagra he thought was aspirin and started turning this way and that in the trailer.
Anyway, I don’t like the bad words being used against rednecks. Everybody knows we will decide who gets elected this year and in ‘08.
As for this Christmas stuff, I just wish the Jews and the Muslims would behave like good Christians about it. A “holiday” to me is July 4th or something like that. But when it’s Christmas, it’s Christmas for everybody. Stop getting all huffy about me wishing you a Merry Christmas. And I don’t mind religious things getting displayed, as long as they are crosses.
Get right with the Lord and you won’t be getting upset about things.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
TFTT, Rush and I are headed to the island of Hispanola next week, and we’d like you to join us. Rush has bought lots of lollipops and candy and those little purple pills - we’ll be reaching out to hundreds of little boys and girls in the Dominican and Haiti. Rush has been reading your posts, and feels that you are fine American, especially for a Brit, and he’d like to do some missionary work with you.
If you prefer doggy style, Rush is flexible.
We both hope your mouth is as pretty as your posts, TFTT.
Yours in American Fundamentalism,
Right Reverend John Mark
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
fairy queen Harry
it should be blindingly obvious to anyone but the congenitalk MORON that is you -that I couldn’y give a flying toss about what you actually say … goading you into sillier and sillier smug responses is however almost proving worth the effort!!
talking of dicks in mouth - as you rather vulgarly just did - how are you getting on with your scoutmaster?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
fairy queen Harry
it should be blindingly obvious to anyone but the congenital MORON that is you -that I couldn’y give a flying toss about what you actually say … goading you into sillier and sillier smug responses is however almost proving worth the effort!!
talking of dicks in mouth - as you rather vulgarly just did - how are you getting on with your scoutmaster?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
the ultimate in sick irony folks
rednekkks NAMBLA has finally cloned a JM Karr id!!!
the lunatics are indeed running the assylum!!
By AM
August 31, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Regardless of thier party. VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS UNTIL WE GET POLICTICIANS THAT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE. BREAK UP THE CLUB OF CRIMINALS.
By Van
August 31, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Rod,
Because the list is illogical and slanted to support a leftist attitude.
For example
Global warming is junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
The connection between these two items doesn’t exists. Global Warming is real, but we humans have very little impact on it.
What a school district allows is up to the voters and school boards in that area.
It would take too long to point out the errors in thinking - so why even try.
By Michael
August 31, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
Oh, if anecdotal evidence was valid. Wouldn’t that make our lives easier? What Republicans can’t figure out (no matter how many times you tell them) is 99.9% of Democrats preaching anti-war are against Iraq yet for Afghanistan. We changed Iraq from a ruthless dictatorship to a hell-on-earth chaotic Shiite vs. Sunni bloodbath. Nice improvement.
Usama bin Laden is still on the loose because instead of putting 150,000 troops in Afghanistan, we threw them about 4 countries west. He is the one that is masterminding most of these terror plots against us. Therefore he and al-Qaida are our prime targets. Why in the world did anybody with sense think Iraq required more urgency? The answer is nobody with any sense thought that. Condoleeza Rice is the closet thing to sense left within 5 miles of the White House. She’s the dunderhead that thought “BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S.” meant something other than the obvious. Great promotion.
If you want to use anecdotal evidence to prove what an entire party thinks, let’s examine Katherine Harris:
“If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public scrutiny and pressure, if you’re not electing Christians then in essence you are going to legislate sin.”
Therefore all Republicans are going to start a holy war against anything not Christian. This must be true if one Democrat in Connecticut is against all wars.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
Rednecks, while in Colorado I had the pleasure of meeting a schoolteacher Mr. Garrison (who, like me, really enjoys working with America’s youth) of South Park, who had written a multi-cultural Christmas carol, the lyrics of which I share with you, below:
I heard there is no Christmas In the silly Middle East No trees, no snow, no Santa Claus They have different religious beliefs
They believe in Muhammad And not in our holiday And so every December I go to the Middle East and say…
“Hey there Mr. Muslim Merry f-ing Christmas Put down that book the Koran And hear some holiday wishes.
In case you haven’t noticed It’s Jesus’s birthday. So get off your heathen Muslim a-ss and f-ing celebrate.
There is no holiday season in India I’ve heard They don’t hang up their stockings And that is just absurd!
They’ve never read a Christmas story. They don’t know what Rudolph is about And that is why in December I’ll go to India and shout…
Hey there Mr. Hinduist Merry f-ing Christmas Drink eggnog and eat some beef And pass it to the missus.
In case you haven’t noticed It’s Jesus’s birthday So get off your heathen Hindu a-ss and f-ing celebrate!
Now I heard that in Japan Everyone just lives in sin They pray to several gods And put needles in their skin.
On December 25th All they do is eat a cake And that is why I go to Japan And walk around and say…
Hey there Mr. Shintoist Merry f-ing Christmas God is going to kick your a-ss You infidelic pagan scum.
In case you haven’t noticed There’s festive things to do So lets all rejoice for Jesus And Merry f-ing Christmas to you.
On Christmas day I travel `round the world and say, Taoists, Krishnas, Buddhists, and all you atheists too, Merry F-ing Christmas, To You!
Yours in American Fundamentalism,
Right Reverend John Mark
By Realist
August 31, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
I thought only blacks could just start calling themselves “reverend” and get away with it? Guess not.
By Fall Line
August 31, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
Dear Dana, You 12:33 post is really hilarious. The first Christians were Jews who followed the teachings of Jesus, another Jew. The Roman Catholic church came much much later and was established to consolidate the Roman Empire. I know history is hard, but you should make the effort.
By Bluer
August 31, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, any chance of you clearing the pool and declaring an adult swim time?
By Curious
August 31, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
I’m new here, but do you folks really think this TFTT guy is as perverted as Karr??
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
its seems like rednekkks OBSESSION with JM Karr has gone into a warped factor interstellar overdrive!!
it wont be a prety sight when he/it finally realises the only way to cure such chronic envious mental constipation is with an intergalactic laxative!!
in that inevitable eventuality rednekkks will disover the absolute truth that when it next has sh** there will be NOTHING LEFT!!
excellent point about reverends realist!! too politically incorrect though for me to ever say on here!!
By Realist
August 31, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
I figure if Jim can allow talk of raping little girls surely I can say anyting i want about blacks or mexicans with impunity.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
I was actually having a jest along those lines Realist … it was both very funny and very true … kind of like the observation like why do so many extremely fat and ugly American women end up marrying green card seeking Mexicans?
By Dana
August 31, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
I stand corrected, the first to believe in Jesus were, in fact, Jewish, as was Jesus himself. The believers became a sect of the Jewish faith, which later broke away and became factions of early Christianity. The earliest recognized ORGANIZED group of Christians were what later became Catholics, and were loosly following Paul’s teachings. Paul was not particularly fond of women, and his teachings tend to be influenced by his personal opinions.
Is there another space where we could debate history and christianity among the three or four of us who seem to be caught up in that today while everyone else in here is free to debate Jim’s topic of the day?
By jim smith
August 31, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
For the past 10 years, I have been paying SPLOST in Gwinnett County. Why is Gwinnett County DOT just now issuing contracts for project identified and funded under the 1997 program? Who is responsible for mismanaging this program? At least the director is securing his future employment with Moreland Altobelli in light the money being awarded to them.
By jbmlaw
August 31, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
Back for a minute or two. Kinda harsh out there today.
Thanks for the kind words, Southern Democrat. I appreciate the thought in your posts same to Dana as well – we don’t have to agree in order to talk. I think back to the early 1960s, when my Protestants were first coming around to the view that your Catholic people weren’t so bad – contrast today, when the five Catholic members of the Supreme Court (Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy) are lionized by Southern Baptists, and the non-Catholics are scorned. I guess that has to be progress.
I partially agree with JK @ 10:06 – I wish my friend TFTT had not written so broadly and harshly about Southern Democrat’s essay. Southern Democrat does not need my assistance to defend his work. Surely, TFTT, you do not reject the truth in any “history” not actually written within days of the event? The Christian Gospels are probably more contemporaneous than any other history written before 1500 AD, excluding Pliny’s (fil) account of Vesuvius. The author of Mark almost certainly wrote around the time of the Jewish rebellion, Matthew and Luke were surely separately based on a common, if lost, document. Even the last Gospel written, of John, is as close in time to the ministry of Christ as we are to the Great Depression; that surely does not make the recollections suspect? I have no objection to non-belief, but I do not observe an exclusive JHWH. I suspect God has infused truth in many peoples and in many places and at many times; the fact that may groups share similar perspectives of the Creator is just not a problem for me.
Amelia @ 9:51 persists in blaming the Jewish conservatives (“neocon” is the favored epithet of the anti-Semitic left), but I believe all of those policies she cites are those of the life-long conservatives (not “neo” conservatives), Bush and Cheney, both Methodists. Don’t blame the Jews (although, admittedly, I praise them for their contribution to our foreign policy. The Powell republicans were the ones who outed Valerie.)
Van @ 10:16 is dead-on correct, about the wedge ACLU drove between people of faith and the democrats. The intolerance of the ACLU causes many of us to harden our view of the “sob and the horse it rode in on.” The pity of it all is that the democrats chose to side with ACLU and exclude people of faith from the formerly-big tent. Until the democrats are willing to make America a safe place to express religious beliefs publicly, it will be hard for some of us to trust them.
Ed @ 10:23, you’re hitting awfully close to home for this libertarian. I think the drug laws are the social disease, not the drugs themselves; I think TFTT is on your side on that argument, you guys probably agree on immigration, in a way I don’t. We conservatives are far more diverse and tolerant of differences than leftists.
By JK
August 31, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
Unlike the Republicans here, I’ll actually rebut items in the list:
“There may or may not be a Jesus, either way we would rather you didnt say his name or reference his life in any way except in the privacy of your own basement while hiding beneath a blanket with a flashlight.” Not true. Lots of Democrats go to the churches and synagogues of their choosing.
“Trade with all countries should be allowed despite how thier people are treated and tortured.” This is a 21st Century Republican practice.
“The United States should yield all foreign policy and authority to the mighty UN.” Name one Democrat who said this. Consulting and working with others is not the same as yielding ALL authority.
“12 year olds can have thier unborn babies killed but dont you dare say a prayer before a football game.” That’s a private family matter, and people still pray where they want.
“The best way to improve military morale is to reduce thier numbers and strengths, teach them sensitivity training, and keep them home rather than abroad.” Advocating a good reason for war, competent management, and a workable plan are indeed things Democrats favor. The sensitivity training is for right-wing pundits and their fans.
“If condoms are put in schools adolescents won’t get pregnant. And if they do, just kill it.” Condoms belong EVERYWHERE! They also make great water balloons.
“A good way to fight terrorism is to send a gift basket and have your wife bake a pie and send it over.” A delusional lie with no basis in reality.
“Providing health care to all Americans at twice the cost and half the quality of what we have now.” A Rovian lie with no basis in reality.
“The SCLC and ACLU have the best interest of the public at heart, as do all the trial lawyers.” Rambling nonsense. Everybody hates lawyers until they need one!
“Global warming and hurricanes will be the end of the world, and it us upon us.” This is entirely possible, although I think we’re in more danger from the Armageddon-eager religio haters that pray for imminent nuclear (pronounded NU-klee-ar) annihilation of all things.
“A president lying about an extramarital affair is cool.” A gentleman does, wanker. Affairs of the p-nis are not affairs of the state, and therefore none of your business. “But a president trying to enlist support for a war in defense of thousands of murdered Americans is criminal!” Only if he’s lying through his teeth about everything, including his real agenda!
“Government should not limit itself in any way whatsoever.” This is a 21st Century Republican principle.
“The public has a right to know whatever we choose to force down your throat, including lies about George Bush military and driving record.” This makes no sense. GWB admitted his DUI. To this day, no one reports serving with him in Alabama. Prove otherwise, if you can.
“Being a drug addict is a good way to get elected in Massachusettes.” Americans can elect whomever they like. Why would they elect a drug addict over a Republican? Ask them.
“What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s was so cool man. Here, toke up.” You wish you cool. You’ll never be cool. That’s why you hate.
“You must love abortion which tears babies and sometimes thier mothers into peices.” Or you must let people make their own medical decisions which are none of YOUR business.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
I dont know many republicans here who would lend that garbage enough credibility by taking so much time to address it. The original post was non-sense and every single item could be turned around to negatively reflect the other way.
On another note, JK, I love the way you sidestepped this one with a half hearted attempt at a joke about water balloons…
“If condoms are put in schools adolescents won’t get pregnant. And if they do, just kill it.” Condoms belong EVERYWHERE! They also make great water balloons.
By Dana
August 31, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
Knowledge about condoms, how to use them, why to use them, belongs in every sex education class taught. If the argument that having condoms available is what causes promiscuity is true, then why do so many teens have unprotected sex?
By Fall Line
August 31, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
Dear Dana,
What about the ORGANIZED churches at Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea?Were they just chopped liver?
By Dana
August 31, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this
The goal is PREVENTION in whatever way needed, so as to avoid ever needing to resort to abortion.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
jbm
obviously immediacy and ‘empirical credibility’ etc in ancient history and myths is always problematical. my essential point - of which the seemingly at least somewhat fictional gospel accounts are pretty reflective of is that the gospels are contradictory and incomplete and shamelessly serlf serving - they would be rejected out of hand in a court of law as lame hearsay they are that weak factually and logically - yet millions choose to accept them uncritically …
if you’ve read Paine’s Reason book - some of those arguments I came to myself at age 16-17 long before I’d ever heard of him.
the treatment of a “revelation” being just one superb logical example!!
just one example … one gospel talks of an earthquake in jerusalem after the supposed crucifixion events - but the others dont, nor is there any indication anywhere of any such an event at the same time in any other historical record of the time. such an huge event would not be missed by others - its a symbolic point - and thus unreliable - which undermines much of the rest of it … too big a topic for one post - hopefully you get the drift!
Fideism is the issue here … a term most folks have never heard of!! My other historical facts were all correct - and only barely scratched the surface.
I respect the right to believe in what ever you want - but the timeline for a few religious works is hardly the crux of the issues I was raising - it was just one of many!!
You must have seen I consistently defend the ACLU assault on some religious targets as absurd and intolerant!!
By Dana
August 31, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
Fall Line - tell me what your point is and I’ll continue the conversation.
By TFTT
August 31, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
All of you dickheads are worthless subterrainian crap. Most of you don’t like me (like I give a crap), but surely you realize: I’m the new face of the Republican Party and if you don’t like it, go f@ck yourself. I see so many people try and keep up with me, without a prayer in the world. Not even jbmlaw, Van, getalife or Realist have the intelligence to pontificate an appropriate response as I can.
Yeah, if you aren’t republican or agree with my views, then you don’t amount to a hill of bush’s beans. So I just wish you’d all take a long walk off a short freakin pier.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Fall Line
you also have the very awkward issue of the so called “christology” - the Nestorians among others had a different view of this … if the christology is wrong then it all behgins to unravel - except for the true believers who want to believe!!
By Dana
August 31, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, Van, getalife or Realist have a little less hot air than you do.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this
By TFTT
August 31, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
All of you dickheads are worthless subterrainian crap. Most of you don’t like me (like I give a crap), but surely you realize: I’m the new face of the Republican Party and if you don’t like it, go f@ck yourself. I see so many people try and keep up with me, without a prayer in the world. Not even jbmlaw, Van, getalife or Realist have the intelligence to pontificate an appropriate response as I can.
MAGICAL, SUPERB HISSY FIT!!!
that was freaking brilliant!!!
man have I effortlessly p** off this tw@t or what?
By JK
August 31, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this
Realist, when I see your overpriced, big-muscle vehicle with your BAMA sticker on it, I am SOOOO pelting it with a ribbed-for-her-pleasure water balloon! Good clean fun! Hahahaha!
By Van
August 31, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
The Troof,
Being a drug addict is a good way to get elected in Massachusettes.
Not really, You must be a drunk not a drug addict. You must not be able to negotiate narrow bridges. You must want to give away everyone’s money, but your own and shelter it away from taxes.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
was that your hissy fit fairy queen Harry? … do tell!!
By Hadden Knough
August 31, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Dana, Because teens are dumb as rocks. They have neither the experience nor the fully developed brain needed to make rational decisions. They act without thinking because they don’t know how to yet. Still, the rights activists on the left have succeeded in bestowing adult status on them. Ever get in an argument with one of your own teens about wearing seat belts or using sunscreen? The concept is totally alien to them. They don’t even know know what you are talking about. Why would they ever think about using condoms when the blood has drained out of their heads already?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
JK is really getting down and dirty … Realist I think you’re on for tonite if you offer her the code to your gated barrier and she brings the toys and pleasure filled ribbed balloons!!
By Realist
August 31, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
JK, Dont make me run you and that neon green toyota prius hybrid off in a ditch now honey. :)
By JK
August 31, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Troof, are you a pimp? I think you just broke the solicitation law. Don’t worry, R. I won’t be at your gate, so don’t give Troof Daddy any cash!
By Realist
August 31, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
I dont know truth, my wife might be agin it. Her liberal “anything goes” college days are behind her you know.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
And by the way, I prefer “extra thin” for HIS pleasure. Not that that shocks you JK.
:)
By Captain Freedom
August 31, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
Oh, isn’t time for the poof tiresome today?
Listen, a quick update. I don’t have much time, I’m writing this on the computer in Mr. Patel’s office. I won’t be posting much the next few days, so don’t worry about the Captain, he’ll be back soon.
Here’s what happened. It’s another example of White Christian Male persecution in action:
I arrived at work a few minutes late, and of course, there’s Patel tapping his foot and pointing at his watch like it’s some kind of national security thing. So, to lighten the mood a bit, I offered some good-natured japes to get him laughing (I know, I know, as if those people had a sense of humor). Well, it seems those dotheads really don’t like it when you call them ‘macaca’. I really thought Sen. Allen was telling the truth when he offered that explanation, I mean, why would he lie, right?
Anyway, Patel turned as red as his Pigmented Immigrant skin would allow. He isn’t going to fire me, but I have to work opening through closing the entire Labor Day weekend as a punishment. The joke’s on him, though…I get to eat free, earn time-and-a-half, and I’ll just make the Mexicans work that much harder to take up the extra slack.
The downside is this means my manly sweater-coated-body will remain out-of-sight at the Buford Beach this holiday. Ladies, get out your crying rags.
Mrs. Freedom was oddly calm about the whole thing, and suggested it would be a good time to have Pedro the plumber come work on the pipes. That Mrs. F, always making lemonade out of lemons.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
So capt freedom works in a filthy motel huh?
By Monarch Hames
August 31, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
Wooten says whites go to church and perfer Republicans. White supremecist don’t spreak for the Supreme Being. The Supreme Being does not speak to just white supremecist in church. Shame on those who claim to speak in His name.
By tftt
August 31, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Captain Dirty Underpants already told us he works at one of those filthy all you can eat feed troughs where you Yanks like to stuff your faces with substandard food that even a Scotsman wouldn’t touch.
It explains a lot about Corporal Dumbass, though. I bet he eats too bloody much at work, and is fat. Really fat. Like Michael Moore is fat.
Ha! Another rapier sharp putdown. I am on fire today.
By tftt
August 31, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Captain Dirty Underpants already told us he works at one of those filthy all you can eat feed troughs where you Yanks like to stuff your faces with substandard food that even a Scotsman wouldn’t touch.
It explains a lot about Corporal Dumbass, though. I bet he eats too bloody much at work, and is fat. Really fat. Like Michael Moore is fat.
Ha! Another rapier sharp putdown. I am on fire today.
By Redneck Convert
August 31, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this
Well, looks like I’m working this weekend. If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em, I always say. There’s this lady that needs some plumbing done, and I told her my name is Pedro. Anyway, her eyes lit up, I guess she thought I would be cheap labor. She sorta winked at me as she looked me over and told me her husband would be working all weekend. Anyway, it looks like she’s got some good pipes, and I’ll do my best with them. Wish me luck.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
Hmmm didnt know Patels were big in the food service industry. I mean just how many ways can you use curry anyway?
I thought they were known for owning run down curry smelling stinking rotten crack ridden motels all over the country. Yes, Im sure I read that somewhere.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3177054.stm)
By jbmlaw
August 31, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
Dear Our TFTT @ 2:11 and not the phony imposter, I gratefully thank you for your effort on our shared perspective of America’s ACLU problem. Your 9:43 post seemingly focused on immediacy and empirical credibility, thus my untimely response @ 1:53.
Even the most-fundamentalist Christian acknowledges that Jesus spoke in parables – “fiction” in the gospel, to use your term. We who believe find truth, not in the facts, but in the larger demonstration of the relationship between God and man.
Incomplete? Absolutely, you could even say mysterious. Shamelessly self-serving? I hope so – only leftists engage in self-loathing diatribes and publish those for their supporters. Rejected out of hand in court? Actually courts find credibility even in flawed messengers and tainted sources and hearsay (only “inadmissible” hearsay is barred, and we all learn the exceptions.) We have a whole generation of people mis-schooled on courts and evidence, thinking everything works out like the SCI shows Mrs. Jbmlaw watches all of the time. Science and truth are not enemies, but they are not the same person either.
Of the three great and famous authors who died Nov 22, 1963, only one continues to influence thought today, and that even among our children. I won’t judge you harshly for your nonbelief, and you have already acknowledged you won’t judge me harshly for my thoughts; we’ll just disagree.
By Van
August 31, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Still would like to know why a religious symbol, any of them - singlely or collectively, sends atheists and lefties into spasms of bedwetting and toxic shock.
By Pete
August 31, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Another absorbing, padded comment from that super string puller himself, Realist. What a regular boy! What an insertion!!!
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
feminazi JK - in all serious anyone who tried to do that with you would never ever make any money :)
By JK
August 31, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Gee Troof… You mean after I work all day, sit in traffic, fetch groceries, pick the kids up from practice, fix dinner, help with homework and fundraisers, walk the dog, pay the bills, and fold some laundry, I don’t have a lucrative future turning tricks for you? What a disappointment, Pimp Daddy. Thanks for ruining my day. Couldn’t you have just blackened my eye or busted my lip instead?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
as religion has been a strong theme all day I thought it would be kind of cool for a non-religous type to write a prayer for the world … hopfully the good sheeple on the left will parody my spiffing idea.
Alright Allah - how are you doing mate?
Listen - any chance of you smiting the living shiite out of those left wing evil satanic verminous treasonous scum who keep sneering enviously because they keep losing elections to the Bush led Republicans. You know it makes sense God!
Dont forget God that we also need to immediately ensure that ALL liberals everywhere are made irreversibly sterile and are unable to breed except in strictly controlled experimental environments at zoos and university labs and so on.
Please God keep Britain, America and Israel safe for us conservatives and send a plague of rabid appeasing snails to infect the blood and infest the unwashed armpits of every cowardly Frenchie … ooooops too late again!
Make sure God that nasty venomous liberals get angrier and angrier with every witty post that I and my conservative chums write on here. (I know you’ve done that already God - but please make that even more entertaining)
Lastly God please expose HiTLlary’s lies and corruption to all the peoples of the earth just before polling day in November 2008 so the feminazi beitch, or whomever loser is running for the demoNcrats loses and is utterly humiliated Mondale style.
PS God … Why did you create liberals? - it was a very sick and twisted joke on your part! Was it to punish all the heathen unbelieving moderates among us? And why the hell is that senile worthless twonk Jimmy Carter still alive?
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
you’re so bitter JK … and so damn ungracious!!
By Realist
August 31, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
JK, All I can say is wow. If only I were single…..
In all seriousness JK. I cant even fathom what it must take to do that day in and day out. Im not sure I could handle it, but then again, Im not Mom. There is nobody like Mom.
By Southern Democrat
August 31, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
Van,
I’m not sure I disagree with the thrust of your point, but just to answer your politely repeated question, I think many people forget how powerful symbols are and that religious freedom is probably the most fundamental reason for the first colonists of New England.
If you are a Muslim, Buddhist, Daoist, Hindu or other non Judeo-Christian religion, do you think that walking into a courtroom with a judge sitting in front of the Ten Commandments or a cross or Star of David would give you the sense of justice and fair play that courtrooms are supposed to give? Of course not.
One thing I never understood about the whole Ten Commandments debate is why people don’t insist on the Bill of Rights being chiseled in stone onto every courthouse? There’s 10 pretty important instructions to our government, too. Let’s leave the Commandments in our churches, homes, and hearts, and render to Caesar what is Casear’s.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
JK turned a harmless joke into something quite nasty … I am shocked and truly surprised!!
By Realist
August 31, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
I personally dont see the difference in walking into a courtroom and seeing the ten commandments and assuming you may not get a fair shake because of that symbolism, any more than I would think similarly if I walked into a courtroom and saw a judge with dark skin, and what that may or may not symbolize regarding his/her beliefs, political affiliations, etc.
Judges are supposed to be bound by laws and precidents not thier personal beliefs. If you hold that this isnt true and that judges no matter thier religion, ethnicity, etc cant seperate the two, then only those of the same race and or gender could truly give a just verdict to someone of the same race/gender?
By Southern Democrat
August 31, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You are apparently unfamiliar with the caselaw that states that racial composition of a jury in a criminal trial is grounds for reversal on appeal.
You are also, respectfully, overlooking my point. While there are inevitably some individual prejudices or preconceived notions in every human being, the placing of the TC in a courthouse implies that the SYSTEM and not just an individual disagrees with you and your beliefs.
It is much easier to sidestep an intolerant person than an intolerant system.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
SD, Im not only aware of it sir, but I also know that attorneys jockey and spend untold amounts of time and money trying to align jury’s to their liking during selection.
It is you who is sidestepping. You are correct, a defendant is gauranteed the right to a fair and impartial jury, but I dont recall any wording about a fair and impartial judge.
And I will repeat, I see no correlation between a judge having the TC in his courtroom, I repeat HIS courtroom, and a corrupt, biased or unjust system. One can assume this is the case, but until there is evidence that this bias or prejudice has taken place based on previous rulings, its much ado about nothing.
By Earl
August 31, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
How many of the ten commandments are laws?
By Watta Load
August 31, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
Judges are supposed to be bound by laws and precidents not thier personal beliefs.
Google the many judgements of ex-judge Roy Moore…he’s the poster child for why many of us don’t want religion in courtrooms.
Thankfully the system worked and he was removed…we don’t want anymore like him.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
Its the symbolism Realist, the 10 commandments reflect a decidedly religious atmosphere - you are doubtless very comfortable with that - others who are not religious, or are against religion, are not. If the commandments weren’t there and had never been there no one would miss them. Its kind of like smoking in public, which affects everyone if its allowed in various ways - but if its not allowed then no one is affected.
I suppose a black man in a southern court many years ago would have similar feelings -about seeing a white judge, or a particular white judge who was not exactly ‘impartial’ - based on how generally blacks were (historically) treated in a given county/city.
It also suggests to some folks, including me, a fundamentalist atmosphere. You have likely never lived in a place where religion is not oppressively shoved in your face everywhere you go … even in the shops from staff using religious type greetings. By itself obviously not a big deal - with everything else it becomes so.
Ultimately its all about personal perceptions and what you’re used to. The UK does NOT have them posted anywhere in legal buildings, there’s no need - yet the UK’s laws essentially are as Judeo-Christian as the US’s. But this has never been an issue for us Brits. We keep our religion very separate from most thjngs although swearing on the bible is done in all courts for those who choose that - affirming is the other way - and supposedly there is NO difference in the way testimony etc is viewed - but there’s no way to really tell that that always happens with juries/judges.
By Hannity's fatwa
August 31, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
“This is the moment to say that there are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of ‘em is making sure Nancy Pelosi doesn’t become the speaker.”
By Realist
August 31, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
I dont have to google Roy Moore. He is from my fine state and Ive had the pleasure of meeting him and his family when he was in private practice in Gadsden Alabama in the early nineties.
He is a man of God who served his country in Vietnam and has raised a fine family. I can imagine no finer person on this earth than Roy Moore. His political career is just beginning Watta Load, not ending.
By Realist
August 31, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
I dont have to google Roy Moore. He is from my fine state and Ive had the pleasure of meeting him and his family when he was in private practice in Gadsden Alabama in the early nineties.
He is a man of God who served his country in Vietnam and has raised a fine family. I can imagine no finer person on this earth than Roy Moore. His political career is just beginning Watta Load, not ending.
By Pete
August 31, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Twin Posts from the many folds of the Twin Lips of Realist. Period!
Good double posts, sir. Good double posts, sir. I’m sure many in your cycle are helped twice as much. Rhythm in sync. Rhythm in sync.
Your mother can be proud. Your mother can be proud.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
Pete is still predictably being a twonk!!
By Dana
August 31, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
good grief. Realist, I hope that either that isn’t you posting or you have your tongue in your cheek.
Earlier discussions aside, I don’t want the 10 commandments posted inside any government building. We either live by them or we don’t, I know what they are, you know what they are, why do they need to be posted in a courtroom or any other government building? They mean absolutely NOTHING to a non-christian. There are STRONG reasons to keep state and religion separated. As a Christian, it is your (and my) responsibility to ACT like one, without anyone (especially the goverment) TELLING you/me/anyone else to do so.
By Southern Democrat
August 31, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Your recent post regarding Mr. Moore contradicts your Blogger name.
Further, your insinuation that there is no right to a fair and impartial judge discredits your argument as this right is most certainly guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment, as flatly stated in Ward v Monroeville, 409 U.S. 57 (1972), among other cases.
Take a step back, sir. Do you honestly think that you would have no problem walking into a courtroom, your liberty at stake, and the judge having a Star and Crescent and book of Sharia law behind her? Or a pentagram and upside-down cross? Symbols are powerful, sir, and DO provide evidence of bias… something that is intolerable in the judiciary.
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
That Judge Roy Moore is a fine southern Christian man - he is shaving his body this weekend and coming to my church to receive special sacraments! I am hoping that former Attorney General John Ashcroft will join us in the slathering of Crisco and other holy oils and concoctions upon the Judge.
After that we’re all gonna get nekkid and I’ll ride him around like a horsie. Won’t that be good clean holy fun?
By Pete
August 31, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
oh, realist has his tongue in his cheek alright. How he bends that far over is a tribute to the double jointed. He should join the Circle Jerque Du Bloweil.
By Curious
August 31, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this
Like I said, I’m new to this board - BUT!
Am I the only one upset that this pervert John Mark Karr is now an ordained minister - and that Rush Limbaugh and this limey fool TFTT are travelling with him?
I always liked Limbaugh but I always wondered why he’s been married so often and doesn’t have any kids - this Karr connection explains that - and this TFTT fool - the Brits have always considered buggering little boys some kind of art form, it looks like this perv is right in the middle of it.
Burn all these bastards!
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
@ curious
how come Jeffrey Dahmer missed you??
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this
Curious is the epitome of the horseass left in this nation that needs to stay the hell out of power. “Burn all these bastards!” I personally just hope you will burn in hell, bastard.
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
Another reason pig-headed liberals and other sickos of the jackass left need not be in power anytime soon. Scum like these animals need to be shot and killed on the spot, not sent to prison and coddled and then let back out. Too bad these US soldiers who just got back from Iraq weren’t packing heat.
http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=38738
By Reverend John Mark Karr
August 31, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
Now Curious, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Mr. Limbaugh is a fine man, and the formerly apostate TFTT kneels before me in supplication as I type. I would let her on the keyboard but her hands (and mouth) are busy. Quite busy. We will pray for you as soon as she finishes.
Since Rush gave me one of his sacramental little blue pills, TFTT may be a while…
TFTT is joining our sisterhood of the Poofy Little Dress and Tricked Out Little Tart, in honor of little beauty queens everywhere, of which he is one.
It surely is gratifying and humbling to watch one who has lost her way like TFTT struggle so hard to come back to the Lord…
By Van
August 31, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Southern Democrat,
Using that logic, if I were to be tried in court of law, in say, Italy and as a good, reformed jew, see a Christian cross on the wall, I would feel threatened?
If as a Hindu, and I am tried in Pakistan and see Islamic symbols on the wall, would I feel threatened?
Actually, it would have little difference. To the Catholic or the Muslim, it might bring comfort, to me, not a thing.
By Curious
August 31, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this
Since your stick up for Karr, Limbaugh and this limey dirtbag TFTT, I guess, Markus, you are pro-child molester - you are one sick phuque. Burn in hell you worthless scum.
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this
Thought of the day:
What do homeless bums, crackheads in public housing, unemployed teens roaming streets, and other lazyasses that the left panders to for votes actually have to celebrate on Labor Day?
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
You first, Curious. You are an anti-American communist scab not worthy of life in this nation, you filthy stinkin’ pig.
By Curious
August 31, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this
you filthy stinkin’ pig
I am NOT your mother, Markus.
By Southern Democrat
August 31, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
Van,
In the wake of hundreds of thousands of your brothers and sisters killed during the Holocaust in Italy, I would think a cross behind a judge might make you a little nervous.
In the wake of fifty years of fighting between your countries based mainly on religious grounds and acts of terrorism between the two nations, I would think that as a Hindu in Islamabad you would feel uncomfortable in a Sharia court.
I don’t really understand your logic at all.
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
A vote for a demonRAT is a vote for America’s demise into the international community of socialist oppression where there will be persecution of those who choose to get off their @sses and work and succeed.
By Pete
August 31, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
Realist, if you are going to insist on tossing someone’s salad, make sure they’ve never ever seen a salad shooter.
By Rush Limpdick
August 31, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this
Why is Markus concerned with how the Rednecks are celebrating Labor Day? Does he not have plans of his own?
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 31, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
Well - it looks like you folks have been busy today - some funny stuff here today - like tftt - the flatulent transvestite terdburglar as a beauty queen - ROFLMAO
Only in Georgia!
Still LOL! Still smirking!! LOL
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
“I am NOT your mother, Markus.”
Well that’s logical. My father never dated filthy stinking liberal pigs.
By Markus's Mom
August 31, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
Just stopped by to say “Oink” to everyone!
Oink!
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
“Why is Markus concerned with how the Rednecks are celebrating Labor Day?”
Markus will be tarpon fishing off Florida this weekend. Markus doesn’t care about those lazyasses that get jealous of their hardworking betters.
By jbmlaw
August 31, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
I respectfully disagree with Southern Democrat and TFTT, and agree with Realist and Van. A fair and impartial trial does not require, nor is it ensured by, and absence of symbols. If anything, it is beneficial for an attorney and/or defendant to understand the mindset of those trying his case. If the symbols and prejudices are in front of you, you have a fighting chance of presenting your position in a manner likely to engender some sympathy; the problem arises when all of the clues are hidden, and you are playing a game without knowing the hidden rules.
In the particular case of Roy Moore, an action by the highest ranking officer of justice in the sovereign government of Alabama was ruled “unjust” by a low-ranking judicial officer in the sovereign government of the United States, with no showing that there had been any injustice done to any individual - a mere contest of opinions. I would think anyone with fear of an all-powerful government would be horrified by that result.
By time for the truth
August 31, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
rednekkks NAMBLA is utterly, hopelessly obsessed with its conservative betters
it daily proves it cannot debate any topic: religion, Iraq, the 10 commandments, the coming election in Nov…. all it can do is CONTINUOUSLY post its chosen evil of kiddie porn.
clearly rednekkks, by its own words, is just a sick child molestor of the most odious kind and needs chemically castrating!!
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
Wanna get goosed by a wallet thief who gives your hard-earned dollars away to the worthless human entities that infest America and serve no purpose other than being a negative burden and drain on society? Vote Democrat!
By Markus
August 31, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
DemonRAT debate:
How do you separate yourself from what Bush is doing? -Bush is doing everything wrong.
How would you fight the war on terror? -Bush is doing everything wrong.
What would you change about the economy? -Bush is doing everything wrong.
Wow, I can’t wait.