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DEL.ICIO.USCivil rights’ next generation
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
An analysis of voting patterns that led to Cynthia McKinney’s defeat prompted this remark from a Tucker resident, Raymond Jenkins, who voted for winner Hank Johnson as the “more competent” candidate who would also “bring more credibility to the seat.” Then he had this to say:
“I understand this is the birthplace of the civil rights movement, but the problem is that these old civil rights leaders are not passing the torch to a new generation to fight the fight in a different way.”
McKinney, of course, is not into torch-passing. Speaking Tuesday in Augusta, she blamed her loss on crossovers and on electronic voting machines, which she believes blacks should oppose. She said, too, that she considers herself “a black political paramedic” though the “black body politic is near comatose.” Whatever.
Paramedic or not, I think it’s a misnomer to refer to present-day celebrities of color as “civil rights” leaders simply because they are activists for liberal causes, some of which may interest a segment of the black community. Some like Jesse Jackson were, but for decades now have been garden variety liberals using race to gain partisan advantage for leftwing causes.
Rising political figures like Hank Johnson, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, U.S. Rep. Harold Ford who is attempting to succeed U.S. Sen. Bill Frist in Tennessee, and Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin all differ in style and interests from the old-line activists who, like Cynthia McKinney the politician, could never adjust outlook or rhetoric to the diversity of modern America.
Blacks are now a minority within a minority. Hispanics are 14.5 percent of the population, compared to 12.8 for blacks. Whatever leaders are called, the 4th District voter has presented an interesting question: How and when does the torch pass? And what, precisely, would be “fighting the fight” in a different way? What issues of particular concern to blacks should leaders be addressing? Hint from the right: Marriage and out-of-wedlock births.
Comments
By Harold
August 16, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this
So, what’s going on today in the conservative vs liberal name calling blog?
By Harold
August 16, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
All the simpering liberals are still sleeping in their wet beds, no doubt!
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this
Mr Wooten wants Cynthia McKinney to think outside the hood. (pun intended). She wants to “stay the course.”
Mr. Wooten deserves credit for defining “stay the course” late yesterday: he expects Iraqi troops to provide the security and stability that 130K US troops havent provided in nearly 4 years of occupation and chaos.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this
Two Iraqs are emerging thanks to US troops: one Iraqi government elite living inside a green zone safety bubble totally cut off from the 99.99999% of the rest of Iraq who are fighting a uncivil war.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this
Nasa found it’s long lost moonwalk video. They were surprised to see the astronauts wearing only one glove.
Astronomers and space jockeys lose things. They only recently found Pluto 75 years ago. How can you lose a planet, man?
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this
German authorities, weary of terrorism, are diverting resources to keep an eye on Madonna’s concert act. (faux crucifixion threatens EuroWorld).
And we thought Bush was a fool. All apologies.
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
The black community doesn’t need another MLK, or any other civil rights leader. What the community needs is to wake up and realize that the fight has be fought and won. We have been given the opportunity to advance, to learn and we have been given a voice.
Our new fight should be helping those that haven’t taken advantage of those opportunities see the light. The problem is sometimes, it’s easier to lay blame that it is to lay a foundation.
Jim, I tend to agree with you at times, but your hint is garbage. Of course marriage and babies born out of wedlock are issues facing the black community — but they are issues facing every community. But I wouldn’t expect anything else from the so called right.
By KP
August 16, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this
Right after the sixties’ civil-rights victories came what I believe to be the greatest miscalculation in black American history. Others had oppressed us, but this was to be the first “fall” to come by our own hand. We allowed ourselves to see a greater power in America’s liability for our oppression than we saw in ourselves. Thus, we were faithless with ourselves just when we had given ourselves reason to have such faith. We couldn’t have made a worse mistake. We have not been the same since.
To go after America’s liability we had to locate real transformative power outside ourselves. Worse, we had to see our fate as contingent on America’s paying off that liability. We have been a contingent people ever since, arguing our weakness and white racism in order to ignite the engine of white liability. And this has mired us in a protest-group identity that mistrusts individualism because free individuals might jeopardize the group’s effort to activate this [white] liability.
Not knowing our true history other than slavery, we do not understand that we are the “forefathers” of the human race. The first homosapiens, the true characters of the bible. We have lost an identity and now our youth believe that being thugs will give you the respect long desired from whites. True awakening is needed and has started. Democrats like Mckinney aren’t safe, Racist Republicans beware. The new generation of “black leaders” are educated, we were “allowed” to go to college. 2nd and 3rd generation college grads have a new outlook and its not focused on the past transgression of White America and slavery.
Thank you
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this
Well, I’m glad the “new outlook” is not focused on the past transgression of (long dead) White America and slavery (of which no living American was subject to).
The attitude and resulting success of black immigrants have been putting native born blacks to shame for decades.
I would, however, go easy on the rhetoric of being the first homosapiens. Besides being meaningless (unless you are r-e-a-l-l-y old), it simple sets up the response, ‘yeh, but some of us have evolved.’ Please don’t start that war.
By themecca
August 16, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this
Jim, please understand your hint has nothing to do with fighting the fight. Our leaders should have bigger issues than black people’s maritial status, and if they were indeed married before they bore children. You’ve got to be kidding! That is seriously all you can come up with. Okay. Phew! For a second there I thought your opinion actually mattered to blacks. Thank GOD you or Cynthia aren’t THE ONE! Look if your ‘hint’ is what you see as an issue black leaders should address then…. please no help from the right!
By KP
August 16, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
Give me a few successful non-native born Blacks more successful than Oprah Winfrey, Bob Johnson, Sean Carter, Sean Combs, Ervin Johnson, Michael Jordan, Clarence Thomas..and thats the tip. You are soooo knowledgeable of this subject.
By KP
August 16, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
We’ll wait while you google.
By themecca
August 16, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
KP, One word, BRAVO! PERFECTLY STATED!!!! Especially the last 4 sentences!
By Dana
August 16, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Jim, these last two days you’ve seemed even more narrow minded than normal. I’m not seeing your intelligence peeking through the bars of your perspective - are you feeling ill this week?
Why so divisive? Yes, the black community is somewhat diffrent from the white. Some of the issues faced are quite different. However, like the differences between men and women, HUMANKIND in general is better served by finding those things that are connected, and moving together toward better lives for all of us.
And yes, I know that sounds naive, however sometimes the answers are more simple then we make them out to be.
Have a good day all, I’m too busy to blog all day today. And admittedly, still irritated at the rampant ignorance of (some of) yesterdays postings.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this
Bush’s handling of the war on terror is approved by 55% of Americans, up from 44% last May. A one year old investigation comes to light, (suspiciously close to the primary debacle) and everybody falls apart.
We deserve the leaders we have.
Cartoon Idea: Show Bush screaming hysterically to his fringe support, (like Howard Dean after primary loss in ‘04), “..SO WE’LL WIN IN AFGHANISTAN…AND WE’LL WIN IN IRAQ….AND THEN ON TO IRAN AND WE’LL WIN THERE…AND THEN ON TO SYRIA AND WE’LL WIN THERE…THEN TO LEBONON AND THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST WE’LL WIN… YEEEOOWWWEEEEE!!!!!”
By getalife
August 16, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
We deserve the leaders we have.
Yes, you can read the mind set of Americans here and it does not matter if W does away with fake elections. Country goes bankrupt or his actions creates more terrorists attacks for future generations. Forget the Constitution, forget the laws, let him right his own and let him do whatever he wants.
Yep, we do deserve to have our first dictator because they will continue to cheer on the cheerleader.
Welcome, to the new America.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this
The vestiges of slavery are still with us today. It lives in the fear. It lives in the disrespect. It lives in the lies and presumptions born out of spun data about out-of-wedlock children. Hint from the left: It’s 99% dittoheads procreating more born-out-of-dreadlocked white trash, none of whom can dance. The only knots tied there are the knots on the shaved round heads.
By @@
August 16, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this
Well I came to add my 2cents worth, but I’ll just join Dana and make it a total of “our” 4cents worth.
Well said Dana.
By KP
August 16, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
Still waiting…I’ll help you out..Colin Powell (moderate Republican), born in NY, child of emigrant Jamaican parents. Supporter of affirmative action, pro-choice, and oh..critical of Katrina response from Bush Admin…sounds like most Blacks I know.
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
Well, shucks, KP, I can’t name many WHITES more successful than those people, so I guess by your logic if there’s a racial problem, it’s the whites who are being disadvantaged.
Individuals don’t prove the whole. Try Google and find the many, many articles detailing the successes of the TYPICAL immigrant black family vs AVERAGE native-born black. If you REALLY want to see where the disparity becomes maximum, look at the success of the children of immigrants who received the benefits of both the immigrant family structure, work ethic, and American educational opportunities.
KP, immigrants have a distict cultural advantage that overcomes most or all of the vestiges of discrimination. It’s hard to blame one’s failure on racism when a black from Jamaica can move here and become successful, or his son become the Secretary of State (oh, wait, Colin Powell IS first generation American). Many of us would like to see more native-born blacks regain some of those qualities: strong family, work ethic, importance of education, a moral code - essentially what another successful native-born black has been saying (one which you, interestly, left off your list), Bill Cosby.
By KP
August 16, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
Still waiting…I’ll help you out..Colin Powell (moderate Republican), born in NY, child of emigrant Jamaican parents. Supporter of affirmative action, pro-choice, and oh..critical of Katrina response from Bush Admin…sounds like a native born almost?
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this
The next generation of civil rights leaders will definately be brown, but not neccessarily African-American. Thanks to the racist right wing of the republican party the next generation has come alive. The pandering republican congress has insured that. And this country will see that power at the polls. Generation after generation will not forget the shameless and overt grab for the redneck, racist vote in the upcoming elections. For short term gain the chicken little republican congress has done very grave long term damage to themselves. And desrvedly so.
By KP
August 16, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
Oh, I love Bill Cosby…remember J Tom, I only gae you a tip. You really want black americans to dislike Mr. Cosby, but its just not going to happen. He’s just saying the same thing alot of us have been saying for years. He just has a voice and the platform to say it. Just because its new to your ears, doesn’t mean we haven’t been talking about it before.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Amelia, you think far too much of your fellow american’s memory. They cant remember one traitor, (Benedict Arnold), while the Bush administration has given them a dozen.
No, we will continue to elect the incompetent, the foolish, and the dirty dog lyin’ scum who betrayed our founding fathers and lincoln, and Kate Smith. (and apple pie)
By KP
August 16, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
Amelia,
You are right, the voice that’s going to be heard will most likely be my Brown brother and sister. I can say this because my grandmother is from Arecibo, PR.
By Harold
August 16, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
Dig up your guns!!!! This blogger dude has started the race war!!!!!
By getalife
August 16, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
Judging by the elections in Mexico and the GOP tactics to suppress the voters, I think the fix is in.
Even if the Dems win, Cheney can label them terrorists and remove the results based on no rights for terrorists.
Welcome, to the new America. Get use to it and be careful of what you blog. Cheney wants to torture him some American voters.
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this
Getalife - No disrespect dude, but give it a rest for a minute. Your “crusade to persuade” is not going to work, and some of us are getting tired of rehashing the old, boring and unwinnable debate. You are not going to change their minds. They are pretty stuck with their beliefs, much like you are.
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
KP, you are right. And as everyone has seen or can easily see from events in Mexico, when Mexicans awaken politically they are relentless. Those eligible to vote will. The movement has been started to motivate green card holders to become citizens just so they can vote. The citizen children of illegals will vote when they are of age and there are several million reaching that age. Hispanics will have the voting power to control local politics as well. And they have memories like elephants. Republican congress, you screwed up. You aroused a sleeping giant that is going to make you pay. You picked the wrong group to play the race game with this time.
By getalife
August 16, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
Your right VOR.
It is on record so my opinion does not mean anything anyway.
I yield the blog.
By KP
August 16, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
I’m through blogging for the day Harold, I really don’t want to fight in this race war. Jim must be competing on who can have the most posts on his blog, because starting topics about something he really doesn’t want a answer just fights is what he’s good at. Divide, divide, and divide. Right Jim, J Tom….Let your usual racist knuckle dragging right wing posters blog it up for you Jim.
By Joe
August 16, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
McKinney spoke to a crowd of less than 200 people in Augusta at Al Sharptons event, thats indicitive or both her and Al’s popularity, outside of SW DeKalb anyway. She needs to realize that people on both sides of the race line see through her tactics and see we her for what she is, a divisive, arrogant, bigoted soon to be out of work political has been. She has gotten by with dozens of racial slurs and barbs tossed from her camp and her band of thugs she surrounds herself with. Thugs so brash and stupid they assault news reporters with the camera rolling. Had any white person said half things this loud mouth fool has gotten by with saying, the marches would still be going on downtown; JJ and Al would be on the streets, bull horn in hand, yelling ” RACE”.
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
KP, don’t know what your problem is, but this shows exactly what I’ve been saying: It’s from the Census 2000 Supplemental Survey conducted as part of the Census 2000 survey that provides solid information about how immigrants actually compare to native-born members of the same racial or ethnic group.
whites - native - education, 13.5yrs; median household income, 52000;unemploy. 8.5% immigrant - ed. 13.4, income 51000, unemp. 13.7
black - native - ed. 12.5, income 33200, unemp. 24.4 immigrant - ed. 13.2, income 42000, unemp. 15.9
Hispanic - native - ed. 12.1, income 38000, unemp. 21.7 immigrant - ed. 9.7, income 37200, unemp. 22.0
Asian - native - ed. 14.5, income 67000, unemp. 10.4 immigrant - ed. 13.8, income 62500, unemp. 4.5
Notice that ONLY in the breakdown of blacks do IMMIGRANTS HAVE MORE EDUCATION, MORE HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT. Which is what I originally contended.
If that difference, and the reasons for that difference, is not understood, then you’re going to have a tough time improving the black community.
By Making Sense
August 16, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Civil rights leaders are usually liberals because the GOP always has a “look like me, think like me, act like me” narrow minded way of thinking. Anything outside of that limited box to most conservatives is liberal. Civil rights have always been about inclusion and equality. This is why they appear to be “activists for liberal causes”. The experiences Rev. Jesse Jackson has lived were what just about all African- Americans his age have had to deal with and it was not that long ago for any one to think that a battle has been won. Keep in mind that the wealth of this country was built on keeping racism and poverty in place. In 2006, that has not changed much.
One of the biggest race conscious things that whites do is thinking that “all blacks are alike.” So when you have a Shirley Franklin or Barack Obama you think it is something new, when we as blacks have known differences exist for centuries. I do not support Cynthia McKinney’s way of handling politics but I will always respect the fact that she will speak up and bring truth to light when no one else will.
As far as passing the torch to the next generation, I have to admit that is where the Civil Rights movement failed. They did a poor job in preparing the next generation to take the next step in progression. They did not mentor enough strong minded young people to lead. Before he died, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was working on that next step and it was economic empowerment. Some of us were fortunate enough to reach and exceed expectations, but the knowledge was not passed on throughout the black community. Too many people were lacking the knowledge to take advantage of opportunities that were given. As a result you have a disfranchised generation where the sacrifices made to make life better have been interpreted as natural born rights with no knowledge of what strives have been made for them to have the advantages they live every day.
Blacks may be a minority in numbers behind Hispanics but the black voting power, political power and history is much stronger and deeper than Hispanics. In larger metropolitan areas (NYC, LA, Chicago, etc) Hispanics and blacks do not see themselves as separate. Again, it is the GOP that likes to point out differences as an attempt to pull people apart while the Liberals try to bring people together.
@ Voice, have you lost your ever lasting mind? Do you really believe that civil rights have been won? How is it that just about every statistic points out the exact opposite?! From housing, education, real estate, health care, prison rates, etc. Keep in mind that all of this still exists when everything is equal except color.
@ KP, thanks for setting J Tom straight. What a ridiculous statement comparing the immigrants to natives. That is like comparing someone from Bosnia to a white American, just ignorant.
@ Dana, good point. You are the real voice of reason!
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
Condolisa Rice’s gapped-tooth pronouncements about how successful Iraq is can be blamed on a “bridge too few”, as opposed to WW2’s Operation Market Garden’s fiasco which was blamed on “a bridge too far”.
By Bluer
August 16, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
Didn’t I read somewhere in the AJC recently that Cynthia McKinney still got 75 percent of the black vote? If so, we have bigger problems then out-of-wedlock babies if she is what two-thirds of blacks see as a modern day civil rights leader, much less a functional member of the US Congress.
By Dusty
August 16, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Political Foreskin,
Since everyone is into naming “names” this morning, how about you giving us the names of thosedozens of traitors the Bush Administration has given us.
Now remember, the definition of traitor is this: one who betrays his country by violating his allegiance; one guilty of treason.(American College Dictionary).
When you list your traitors, be sure you stick to the correct definition. Otherwise you might have to list a lot of Democrats who are not in the Bush administration.
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
Making sense - Yes civil rights have been won. Black people have the same opportunities to grow and advance as whites. You yourself point to it when you said Some of us were fortunate enough to reach and exceed expectations, but the knowledge was not passed on throughout the black community. Too many people were lacking the knowledge to take advantage of opportunities that were given. As a result you have a disfranchised generation where the sacrifices made to make life better have been interpreted as natural born rights with no knowledge of what strives have been made for them to have the advantages they live every day.
I’m still kinda young, but I’ve never been denied anything because I was black. I can eat where I want, shop where I want, go to school where I want, and work where I choose. I own a home and there are no crosses burning in my yard. Unless, I live on fantasy island, I believe other races have those same opportunities.
What Civil Rights have you gone without?
By Ed
August 16, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this
The real point here is that intelligent, forward thinking people like Shirley Franklin and Barack Obama are the future. Do you think that you would ever hear them call their fellow African American opposition in a primary an “Uncle Tom” for their own benefit. I don’t think so. If Cynthia showed any integrity at all in her words and actions she would be praising the voting system today because she would have won. Instead she is going around to churches and trying to scare people into thinking that the reason she failed is because of something unscrupulous. Ergo zero integrity. She didn’t give people enough credit that they are smarter, more informed, and can think for themselves in today’s political arena more than ever.
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Excuse me MS? Some people look at the plight of black, native-born Americans and ask, “Why?”
I look at the comparative success of immigrant blacks and ask, “Why not?”
Both groups are vying for success in the same country. Learning how and why the two groups, each subject to the exact same societal forces, achieve different levels of success can offer more potential solutions than your simple whining.
And you think that is ignorant? I feel sorry for you. You are stuck in a victim mode and reject any information that might help.
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
Making Sense - And as far as housing, education, real estate, health care, prison rates, etc.
You bring these things up as if there is some force preventing minorities from obtaining housing, education and health care. The prison subject is a whole different monster, but blacks, whites, hispanics or any other group will get no sympathy from me — unless you were plucked off the street for no reason, then chances are you did something to end up in prison.
By JK
August 16, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
Political Foreskin, I missed you! Nice to hear from you today. {:->
By deegee
August 16, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
J Tom, If you really have no clue as to why immigrant blacks are statistically more likely to achieve financial superiority over native-born blacks then you have alot to learn. Take a hint from your own assumption concerning societal forces.
By Van
August 16, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Just to add my 2 cents worth -
As a white person, I also do not understand the plight between native born and foreign born.
In the Metro section this morning was an article about high-rise tenants. One of them, Anna Tonblah, 67, a native of Liberia made an interesting point.
“I like living here, nobody troubles you, and you can get anything you want, if you work hard,”
This is the attitude I grew up with. My mother was working, my dad never came back from Korea, and we were not in too good a shape, but as Anna Tonblah said, “…you can get anything you want, if you work hard,”. This is also what I passed on to my children.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
Americans ARE cheering Bush’s handling of the war on terror… But I’m not cheering… I’m standing up and shouting, “That’s not what’s happening in the Middle East. Have you all got amnesia? WE NEVER CAPTURED THE COCKADOODIE TERRORISTS!!!!”
I have a list of 53 traitors in our government…here in my pocket is that list….53 total traitors….and we’ll get to the hearing and let the public hear their names…..53 traitors here on my list…..(tailgunner joe, 1952)
Traitors: Gen. Franks. Rummy. Rice. Powell. Bush. (read “mein pet kampf” on 911). Cheney. The Bush twins (have you seen them dance). Delay. Laura Bush (goose-stepford wife), McCain, Leiberman, (censorship worthy of Goebels), Rove, and an intern named Monica who still haunts the oral office in the ghost of president’s past in the oval orafice, indeed, she’s the face that launched a thousand pink slips of impeachment, giving the neo-cons the reins of the reign of terror from which we rain bombs on the bombworthy…the bystanders….probably not killing any terrorists, but we can destroy those who dare to be standing around…how dare they be in a country we find a terror? HOW DARE THEY???
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
Ok deegee, you tell me. Why are immigrant blacks statistically more likely to do better? Slavery? That ended over a hundred years ago. And many, many immigrant blacks suffered from slavery. Forced break-up of families? No, the percentage of intact black families in the 1950s was about the same as for whites. The disintegration of the black family is a recent phenomena. Growing up in the US? Then why do the children of black immigrants do so well - even going to the same schools? Angst over how they’ve been treated in the past? So why do Asians, Hispanics and the Irish do so well? All those groups have been treated abominably in the past.
Deegee, just why is it that native blacks, unlike any other native group, does worse than immigrant blacks?
By getalife
August 16, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
PF,
This is is race war thread not a traitor thread. VOR has the floor.
Speaking of race
By JK
August 16, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Making sense makes the point that should be obvious: not all blacks are alike. Please know that not all whites are alike either! I’m somewhat of an outcast in my whitebread neighborhood for standing up and calling “Bu—sh—!” on a regular basis. They are disappointed and annoyed with my non-conformity. My disappointment for their shallow hypocrisy, selfishness, intolerance, and self-imposed ignorance is far greater.
By deegee
August 16, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
J Tom, here’s another hint. It’s not so much about where you finish but where you start.
By Van
August 16, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
deegee,
I have to disagree, it is how you run the race.
By JK
August 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
While not a huge Huffington fan, I did enjoy this comment on Dubya and his buddies: “They were born on third base, think they hit a triple, and now they’re busy trashing the stadium!” Hahaha! How true!
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Deegee, and immigrant blacks start from a higher level (economic?)than native blacks? Please provide some supporting evidence. Looking at the number of black immigrants from Jamaica, Haiti, Nigeria, and other such impoverished countries I find it difficult to believe that that is the case.
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Getalife - I knew I was crazy for thinking that you had an ounce of reason. My plea was not a call to have the floor - it was an effort to actually discuss the topic. I know that’s hard for you, but ML’s blog has been the War on Terror blog for months - I’m sure they love your undying quest to change hearts and minds when it comes to Iraq.
By getalife
August 16, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
VOR,
My opinion is not to change any hearts and minds, it is just an opinion on the reality in which we live.
BTW, I am not today’s topic.
By deegee
August 16, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
If you start in a field of racers where everyone has the same probability of winning do you have any expectation that you will lose?
By KP
August 16, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
I truly believe you want to know the answer, and I will give you my simple opinion in two words. Welfare Programs. Not being able to attend college, being 2nd generation of READERS, native born blacks were unable to compete in the new comepetive market of the 50’s. The Great Society welfare programs created “economically independent” women — black, brown, and white — at the expense of requiring that fathers and husbands leave the home. This is a cycle that was worsened by the Reagan years. Great times for people already with some money or skills..but a terrible decade for the poor. Not until the 90’s with the CLinton Repub congress welfare to work program, Blacks were able to see a light at the end of the tunnel. A terrible cycle had already begun though, fathers not having a role in the family, not respected in society, turned our backs on each other and “hustled” for ourselves. Some saw the husling as selling drugs and crime, others saw it as making money in sports and entertainment. Children without fathers in the home latched on to ones they saw as succesful and patterned themselves after him. Some wanted to be like the drug dealer with the money and cars and became him, others wanted to be like Cosby or Jordan and went those routes (sports and entertainment).
By deegee
August 16, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
J Tom, what do Jamaica, Haiti, Nigeria, and Liberia all have in common?
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Well like you said Getalife - we know how you feel already.
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Deegee, here’s a hint for you: Education - native blacks,12.5 yrs; immigrant blacks, 13.6 yrs. Given the educational opportunities in this country, there’s no excuse for that. The unemployment level for native blacks is almost 60% higher than immigrant blacks. This indicates that native blacks suffer from high unemployment but NOT because the color of their skin! And finally, if native blacks start from a lower point than immigrant blacks, who do you fault for that? You can blame a lot on White America, but NOT the break-down of the black family, lack of work ethic or disdain for education, all of which lead to economic disparities.
By Dusty
August 16, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Political Foreskin,
Are you a comedian? Your list of traitors includes everybody from the president’s daughters to Monica Lewinsky. Do you have jokes to go with that list?
No wonder you can’t cheer for anything American. You live in Fantasy Land.
By Joe
August 16, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Making Sense perhaps you shouldn’t be so smug and comfortable in your assessment of how better the black voting power is in comparison to the Hispanic populace. Considering the amount of time both groups have been in the US, it very well may all boil down to priorities within the two individual communities that produces the final difference. To many of us, Hispanics don’t seem as Old Guard Entitlement, which to many of us translates to what-have-you-done for-me-lately and only me. The new generation of black leaders need to shift the dynamics of their thinking to adpat to the world you live in today, not in 1963. Instead of worrying about some guy in the northwestern part of Montana saying the ‘N’ word, you’ll never be able to change the mentatlity of some people, its futile, the guy will remain the way he is, let it go. Concentrate on the real issues that are the true ills and spoils of your community; far too many black kids are being raised without a positive male role model and the disproportionate amount of crime between the balck polulation and crime in the black community is epidemic. Not all fears are unwarranted and should be decried as racist; when you watch the news and you continue to see one black male after another doing crimes, the image resonates in our minds and we react accordingly.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
THIS IS JUST HILARIOUS
We have a few race baiting leftist blacks sneering at legitimate criticism of their regimented robotic approach to an unthinking shameful 90% voting record for vote buying bigoted democrats who for decades offered the racial spolis trough and McKinney and her ilk wont let that go.
Its democrats, liberals and so called black activists who have kept many blacks back by keeping them angry, blaming whitey and demanding racist quotas and special treatment, including the obscenity of housing projects which used to be an essentially racist democrat housing policy of housing only blacks!!
Blacks have the highest out of wedlock births which UNDENIABLY breeds thugs at a disproportionately higher rate than any other group in the US. Although second generation hispanic types are now catching them up real fast.
US high schools have been dumbed down beyond belief and still many blacks all over the US cannot even pass an exam NOW shamelessly aimed at 14 year olds - whites too are suffering in the classroom because of the dumbing down - which is mainly aimed at pandering to nonEnglish speaking hispanics.
The contemptible, self defeating attitude/”fear” of being deemed “acting white” by young blacks is a good part of this - hence the moronic teaching of ebonics to many black kids in some urban areas and the deliberate peer pressure to stay dumb whilst at school. Which sadly is now extending itself to white kids too.
Black kids do far far better in black caribbean schools than they do in urban America.
Just look at the culture of violence in many US black schools - even the verbal violence starts young with 8-10 year old black kids calling girls b** and ho’s because of the vile hippity hop culture.
Go visit places like Marietta High School.
And young white trash mouths are following like sheep because of the hippity hop cultural bollox. Thankfully the mindless black racism of afrocentrism in the classroom has largely quietly disappeared.
Poverty is an issue for many whites as it is for blacks - yet there is NOTHING LIKE THE SAME level of systematic violent/petty/drug crime in white hoods in metro Atlanta as just one example as there is in black hoods. This is learned behaviour.
And the corrupt black rhymning micky mouse reverends say and even worse, really do little about it. If the energy and effort put into whining about the largely non issue of the confederate flag boycott had been put into opposing and dealing with the epidemic of black yoof crime the stats and quality of life would likely be very different in many black hoods. But that pointless race baiting issue was just too good to pass up!! It was/is just a battle flag which the odious klan, which is now happily virtually eradicated, used as a symbol, but that doesn’t amake the flag itself racist, and the use now is simply one of undertsnadable pride in southern heritage. NOT any kind of racism. If it was a wholly racist symbol would the state of Georgia allow its use on state provided car number plates??
There are few if any drive by shootings done by whites in white hoods in metro Atlanta. Very few whites kill or hurt each other in Buckhead and other night club shootings over mindless issues. NOt a major problem - buit it really shouldn’t ever happen. Same for mindless much more frequent violence in apartment complexes. Whites are not known to be robbing hispanics at gun point. Even male black sports stars, who have earned a way to fame and fortune are much more thuggish than their white counterparts.
Just watch WSB TV for a week or two and see where the mindless violence is sadly so often - but not always - centred. Its not just anecdotal, its sadly real life in Atlanta and many other “urban” cities. Anyone who excuses this by the poverty word is a liar and a fool. There is grinding (white) poverty in places like S.E. Kentucky and E. and mid Tennessee and nothing like the same level of violence.
Of course the majority of blacks, like whites are law abiding decnt folks - but there’s a whole load of mainly black yoofs that aren’t. And until that changes the picture will not change.
And the churches here are as segregated as life was under the vileness of Jim Crow … surely christian folks of all colours are more tolerant than that!! Or dont they want to integrate - on both sides??!!
Dopubtless some will just robotically screech racist - but actually deal with the awkward issues raised. I am not responsible for the huge number of (young) black males in jail -THEY ARE!!
By deegee
August 16, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
J Tom, if you have red hair and freckles and grow up in a country where everyone has red hair and freckles, do you see yourself as a person having red hair and freckles?
By Van
August 16, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
deegee,
Since everyone in this country has the same starting position, fetal -
If you have the heart for the race, no.
If you want it bad enough, no.
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
KP, interesting theory. I have my own - the drug culture (although I do find it ironic that you blame a Democrat’s Great Society welfare programs). I’m not sure I’m in agreement with blacks not competing in the ’50s. They had their own thriving markets and were accumulating wealth before everything hit the fan in the ’60s. I remember people complaining about the welfare system rewarding girls for having children out of wedlock by providing apartments, food and cash. But those people were considered hard-hearted Republicans. Regardless of the past, my original contention still holds: there is much evidence suggesting that the inability to succeed in today’s society is not because of skin color, but is due to cultural differences. So shouldn’t today’s black leaders focus on changing the black culture, not crying racism?
Deegee: You ‘hinted’ that immigrant blacks had a better start. I asked for proof, noting that many black immigrants come from those impoverished countries, i.e., what better start did they have (keeping in mind that I have already said they were more culturally suited to succeed here)? I still await your supporting evidence.
By KP
August 16, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
TFTT,
Aside from your crazy use of “ebonics..yoof” I agree in mass with your statement. Addressing those issues should be the “new leaders” cause. I could give a damn about some redneck’s flag. I and my neighbors (black and white)hate it that I can’t trust the negroes at the end of my cuddlesack, because of the thug mentality of the teenage boys there. You live in a damn 5 bdrm house..kill the thug act!
By Lorrine K.
August 16, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Jim; I was a Democrat for the better part of my young voting life. My parents were Democrat and still are. Theirs is an allegiance fostered by the party during the civil rights movement and they won’t free themselves from it.
As for me? I got tired of waiting on my two mules and 10 acres. The party never gave me anything but the status quo. I’ve moved on and done it on my own. I have no sympathy for those to choose to stay with the Democrats. They’ll get what those evil-doers see fit to give them and nothing more.
By KP
August 16, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
J Tom,
I can blame a Democrat program as easily as I can blame a Republican program. Unlike some on this blog, I have a open mind and not divided along some party line. Simply saying, I am not Dem or Rep…
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
KP
my use of ‘yoof’ is entirely sardonic - and I am just as contemptible of some aspects of white yoof culture as I am black or hispanic - its not a racial thang but an ageist one (grin).
By J Tom
August 16, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
Well, I’m aware that I have a face, body, arms and legs, and most everyone in this country does, too, so I suppose, yes, I would see myself as having red hair and freckles. More to the point, what the H* does that have to do with native blacks underachieving all other minorities including immigrant blacks? If you have any theories, ideas, thoughts or, heaven forbid, facts, please tell us. Otherwise, I am not going to respond to your less-than-enlightening posts.
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Very seldom will you see a hispanic with his hand out. And until the republicans tried to use Mexicans in particular to rouse the rabble and racist that have gravitated to their right wing, they have been rather apolitical. They have been more concerned with working and feeding their families than concerning themselves with politics. But the republicans made a serious error in judgement when they saw what they thought would be a fearful and docile group of easy targets. Big mistake.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
my use of ‘yoof’ is entirely sardonic - and I am just as contemptuous of some aspects of white yoof culture as I am black or hispanic - its not a racial thang but an ageist one (grin).
By KP
August 16, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
TFTT,
Same with my use of “cuddlesack” since I saw it spelled that way on a yard sale sign.
By Over it
August 16, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
Sixth district Congressman Tom Price actually says that illegal immigration is the NUMBER ONE problem and concern of the people of the sixth district, eclipsing all others. He has gone after the brown people from day one. He is also one of the ten richest people in Congress. His message is that if we could just get these darn brown people out of here, then we could go back to being a highly successful white community with no problems! Nevermind the deficit, transporation woes, pollution, government corruption, the sad state of homeland security, or the never ending war that is sucking us dry financially, emotionally, and spiritually (physically too for some families). “Stop the brown people! Deport the guy with the leaf blower!” What a jerk.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
many black amercians resent black immigrants and its reciprocated by the black immigrants. which is why many black immigrants, especially africans start their own churches or go to white ones - although that is less common. In London black africans are called boo boos by afro-caibbeans and black africans call them sons of slaves. THis is NOT a joke - I’ve seen it many times. The twisted notion that racial tensions are solely white on black is the vilest of all lies about race relations.
By themecca
August 16, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
TFTT - what’s your point? I think all the things you’ve stated is why Jim posed his questions. Of which you didn’t address. I hope you didn’t think that your speach was enlightening. I don’t think many would disagree with the underlying theme either, but, “How and when does the torch pass? And what, precisely, would be “fighting the fight” in a different way? What issues of particular concern to blacks should leaders be addressing?” And please, please don’t use Jim’s sorry hint. With all you’ve stated, surely the crux of it all is not the out-of-wedlock births.
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
Believe me, over it, he will be gone long before they will. Him, Chip Rogers, and any more of their ilk. They may reap a short term benefit, but in the long run they are dead politically. There are not enough republicans to win out out over unified immigrants, blacks, and white democrats. Play the race card and they WILL pay. And unity is the key. Killing the right wing of the republican party should be priority one for those not associated with it.
By Toad
August 16, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
Black leaders should stress education more than anything. The message should go out that being sucessful (other than through athletics and entertainment) is not “a white thing.” Also, schools in majority African-American neighborhoods should be every bit as good as schools in majority European-American neighborhoods. As long as there is inequity in education, there will be disparity in achievement.
The young middle class men with thug attitudes are just mimicking their musical heroes. For all you know they could be honor students.
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
Since I’m Black TTFT I’ll respond.
We have a few race baiting leftist blacks sneering at legitimate criticism of their regimented robotic approach to an unthinking shameful 90% voting record for vote buying bigoted democrats who for decades offered the racial spolis trough and McKinney and her ilk wont let that go.
Huh? Mckinney is a buffoon and educated Blacks are glad to see her out.
Its democrats, liberals and so called black activists who have kept many blacks back by keeping them angry, blaming whitey and demanding racist quotas and special treatment, including the obscenity of housing projects which used to be an essentially racist democrat housing policy of housing only blacks!!
The people living in the projects don’t read the paper so they have no idea what the activists are saying. We liberals don’t keep them back, they keep themselves back. They’re just trying to get their welfare check by any means necessary
Blacks have the highest out of wedlock births which UNDENIABLY breeds thugs at a disproportionately higher rate than any other group in the US. Although second generation hispanic types are now catching them up real fast.
I agree. I think this is the number one problem for the uneducated, black or white.
US high schools have been dumbed down beyond belief and still many blacks all over the US cannot even pass an exam NOW shamelessly aimed at 14 year olds - whites too are suffering in the classroom because of the dumbing down - which is mainly aimed at pandering to nonEnglish speaking hispanics.
Young dumb parents make dumb kids. The ciricuulum is there for them to learn but they’re too dumb.
The contemptible, self defeating attitude/”fear” of being deemed “acting white” by young blacks is a good part of this - hence the moronic teaching of ebonics to many black kids in some urban areas and the deliberate peer pressure to stay dumb whilst at school. Which sadly is now extending itself to white kids too.
I personnally don’t think this is an issue any more. Acting “white” doesn’t effect the kids who do talk “white”. They don’t change their behavior to fit in like what might have happened in the 60s and 70s. Kids get along much better now regsrdless of race.
Poverty is an issue for many whites as it is for blacks - yet there is NOTHING LIKE THE SAME level of systematic violent/petty/drug crime in white hoods in metro Atlanta as just one example as there is in black hoods. This is learned behaviour.
Where are the poor white hoods in Metro Atlanta? I’ve never seen any. Again I think it boils down to education and poverty more than skin color. If you’re poor and uneducated, then you’re more likely to commit crime. Unfortunately too many of us fall into that category.
And the corrupt black rhymning micky mouse reverends say and even worse, really do little about it. If the energy and effort put into whining about the largely non issue of the confederate flag boycott had been put into opposing and dealing with the epidemic of black yoof crime the stats and quality of life would likely be very different in many black hoods. But that pointless race baiting issue was just too good to pass up!! It was/is just a battle flag which the odious klan, which is now happily virtually eradicated, used as a symbol, but that doesn’t amake the flag itself racist, and the use now is simply one of undertsnadable pride in southern heritage. NOT any kind of racism. If it was a wholly racist symbol would the state of Georgia allow its use on state provided car number plates??
If you think the people who fly the Confederate Flag are just doing it to toute their Southern Heritage, then you’re being naive.
There are few if any drive by shootings done by whites in white hoods in metro Atlanta. Very few whites kill or hurt each other in Buckhead and other night club shootings over mindless issues. NOt a major problem - buit it really shouldn’t ever happen. Same for mindless much more frequent violence in apartment complexes. Whites are not known to be robbing hispanics at gun point. Even male black sports stars, who have earned a way to fame and fortune are much more thuggish than their white counterparts.
I agree to a point. I believe the sports stars try to stay out of trouble but the places they frequent and their friends from the past influence dumb decisions. Rappers, now that’s another story. Too many of them are idiots. White don’t rob hispanics? Where do you get that from?
Of course the majority of blacks, like whites are law abiding decnt folks - but there’s a whole load of mainly black yoofs that aren’t. And until that changes the picture will not change.
Agree
And the churches here are as segregated as life was under the vileness of Jim Crow … surely christian folks of all colours are more tolerant than that!! Or dont they want to integrate - on both sides??!!
Church is a waste of time. Nothing but hypocrites in the Pews.
Dopubtless some will just robotically screech racist - but actually deal with the awkward issues raised. I am not responsible for the huge number of (young) black males in jail -THEY ARE!!
Agree
By deegee
August 16, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
J Tom, I’m not talking about this country. Here’s the point. If you grow up in a country where you are in the overwhelming majority, for example Jamaica, then there is no assumption on your part that you are different or that you cannot achieve financially. Now, you move to another country where you can acheive even greater reward for your effort but you are part of a racial minority that has experienced a history of discrimination. Does their experience hold you back? No.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
No over it, Deport the guy and his 6 children and five cousins and two brothers, who also have 4 children each. All of whom rape our healthcare systems and public schools at the expense of taxpayers like me. And that is not to mention the fact that the “leaf blower” and his bunch of parasitic cohorts come here and seem to be able to build and/or clean anything under the sun, except for thier own homes and apartments which look like filthy rotten slums 30 days after they move in.
As for Cynthia and other black “representatives”, its not about being a voice for blacks, its not about changing minds or doing anything positive. Its about doing whatever they have to do to keep from getting a real job. As long as they can continue to lay on thier fat asses in swank hotels and eat like kings they will do and say or be whatever they have to. Look at OJ. He is stooping to some pathetic lows to make money (even lampooning his wifes murder) so that he can stay in the limelight and out of an 8-5 M-F. Jesse and Al and all the other “posse” are no different. The exciting part is that the black community is moving more everyday toward the middle class and relating less and less to the “we’s the po disenfranchised” harping sharptons and jacksons, and now apparently, rev. sistah McKinney !
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Morning all,
Congrats, Jim! Looks like you’ve finally framed an issue vith enough volatility that will take you well over 300 responses.
I guess my .02 would be to agree with just about every poster in here to the extent they are recognizing that black culture and society really is a lot more complicated than some would like you to believe. Like every other group of folk on the planet we really are not a monolithic people (surprise).
To assume that the “hippity hop” kid is representative of all black folk is like assuming one of Adam Sandler’s characters represents all Jewish people, or Johnny Knoxville represents all white folks.
As much as some people would like to take the easy road and stereotype, I know a lot more people like myself (decently educated, hard working, tax paying…sound familiar) than the “playa pimps” so many on this blog like to tout as the Face of Black America.
To Jim’s point. The movement was dormant for a while, but has begun to evolve. Civil rights politics have become fully inverted. The notion used to be that economic gain would follow political progress. This made some since, given both the hard and soft barriers of the Jim Crow era.
That time (at least as it relates to overt, government sanctioned segregation) is past. What the “new school” of leadership seems more focused on is political gain through economic progress. That model has worked well for hispanics and asians, who have historically placed financial stability over political positioning (especially when blacks and others were more focused on that).
Don’t take that last sentence the wrong way; I applaud their efforts and the resulting affluence they have achieved through pooling resources and building businesses. We should all learn from that.
Although I appreciate all the experts we have in here on the condition of black folk (hmph), it’s important to recognize that what is happening in our community is happening in every community (yes, even in yours). Low wages, un-or-underemployment, the growing gap between rich and poor, poor education, and the decline of the traditional family unit (sound familiar?) Many of those are worse in our community, some of the reasons for which are systemic, others involve lack of responsibility. All need to be addressed.
By Elaina
August 16, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, I’m going to exclude that part of your commentary regarding civil rights to make my point about the Democrats if you don’t mind. A liberal party that encourages division among the citizens is guilty of social engineering. Social engineering comes dangerously close to socialism.
Our government should be uniting this country by promoting quality in individual character. When you look at how the liberals slander religion, support freedom to expose our youth to sex and violence on T.V.; is it any wonder there has been a steady decline with each generation?
Young minds are very open to suggestive thought and our schools are a mess. They encourage the liberal agenda and fail miserably in the basics needed to succeed.
It’s sad, really sad that a political party would subjugate their constituency in such a way. Sad for all of us.
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
I don’t really give a rat’s a* about Jesse or Al or Cynthia or Obama or Bush or Sonny or any other so-called leader. I lead my family; that’s all the leadership I need. Other blacks need to adapt the same attitude. Stop thinking they have your best interest at heart. They don’t care about you. They care about they their own a* and nothing else.
By Toad
August 16, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Are you denying that we live in a racist society?
By Dana
August 16, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Elaina, (Emily?)
The only part of your post that was in any way based on intellingent thought is:
Our government should be uniting this country by promoting quality in individual character.
The rest is mindless tripe.
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
I don’t get the harping over McKinney. So many here seem intent on using her as somehow representative of mainstream Black America, but she was voted out, beaten by a man with a slight record.
That’s because the voters (almost all of whom were black) felt she had a poor performance record and was increasingly becoming a hindrance to any real progress.
GOPers should think closely about that last paragraph. You’ll be hearing it a lot on election night as your party continues to lose ground.
By Michael Jackson
August 16, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
I tried to tell you all; start with the man in the mirror heee heee heee chum on chum on
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
“Liberal party encourages devision”. Oh boy here we go again. “It’s the libs everyone, hide”! “Only religion can save us from their heatheness”. How are we encouraging devision? We Libs don’t care what you do, just don’t try to force you’re thinking on us because we’re surely not trying to force ours on you.
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
C’mon Mark,
You’ve gotta admit: at least Jim’s consistent.
Last week, it was “what’s wrong with liberals?”
Last month, “what’s wrong with immigrants?”
Today, “what’s wrong with negroes?”
First Wednesday in November, “what went wrong with the GOP?” ;^)
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
Speaking for myself, Im not harping on McKinney, in fact, Im actually still celebrating over it. And sickened by her latest pathetic attempt to stay in the spotlight and keep her posse gainfully employed.
Im pretty sure I heard somehting about her getting in the studio to lay down some lyrics if this “paramedic” thing doesnt work out though.
As far as the elections, there is no need to argue something that nobody can possibly forsee. I will be here to eat crow should the GOP lose ground as liberals predict. I will also be here to listen to stories about disenfranchisement and voter fraud should they win.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
themecca - my point love was to try and frame the debate with some realism!! very occasionally we get racist whites on here being very nasty making Mr Endicott type jokes which are quite repugnant and not funny at all.
The new black leaders will come from both the growing number of more visionary conservative blacks who are emerging and the more independent thinking younger blacks who dont slavishly (pun intended) adhere to the liberal racial spoils line. the black experience - rather simplified admittedly - has been one of despicable injustices to one of unquestioning, unthinking (short sighted) demands for ‘compensation and above equal treatment’ … happily both of these extremes have largely ceased - there are of course some glaring exceptions that show both extremes will never be entirely eradicated but folks are folks and all that. The KIngs have had their day. No disrespect to MLK himself - but his family have become a grasping parody of him, just like with the younger Abernathy and his father who I understand was a very decent man.
Mark,
I absolutely disagree that liberals dont keep the poorer blacks back - just look at the incendiary racially charged rhetoric of many of the naacp and black caucus types. And the way that the poorer blacks are left to their own devices as the middle classes move on - and so the poor blacks get the likes of McKinney race baiting and manipulating them
You seem (maybe not - its cyber space after all )to have a somewhat elitist attitude to your brothers - about education. Not everyone is capable of getting an education - see rednekkks, susan and getabrain who post here often for white examples of that. :)
there are poor white hoods in metro atlanta - not in the smallish area of the city itself … but in cobb county, bartow, paulding etc there are poor or poorer areas-depends on how you define poverty. Even the poor have cars, AC and tvs etc nowadays.
I also mentioned white areas of neighbouring states, and left out AL of course and Ole Miss … loads of poor whites there and NO urban yoof type crimewave. I agree about parents but there;s still a pretty hefty clique who for whatever despise getting educated. Go to fast food places in the perimeter and on the south side and listen to the kids talk … its not just blacks kids of course, but the stats dont lie about school graduation rates.
sure some whites are making a point @ the stars and bars - but most have moved on from that - and rightly so. its predominantly southern heritage - just like very many blacks have their t-shirts, flags and other racially focused images.
you’re right in essence about churches - BUT … the racial dimension on BOTH sides cant be dismissed so glibly - after all the south is the biblebelt!! and its EXACTLY THE SAME in Buffalo NY and Seattle and elsewhere in the USA - not just a southern thang!!
I disagree about crime too … its too systematic to just be poverty … else much of East TN would be a cess pool too - and it aint!!
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Was that question about denying that we live in a racist society directed towards me? If it was here’s my answer;
There are pockets of out and out systematic racists entitys in this country, mainly in small county and towns I think. This country is about money more than race. Money trumps race everyday, all day. No matter how dark your skin is, if you’re rich, you overcome the color of your skin.
By Markus
August 16, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
The thing about the McKinney Kamp is that they are all a bunch of mindless minions that can’t control their emotions, either verbally OR physically.
So McKinney gets her weave handed to her on a silver exit-stage-left platter, and she blames Republicans and “Uncle Toms.” Isn’t that nice?
I was disappointed that the media or her opponent didn’t call her out on her FLAT OUT LIE about being ranked at the top of congresspeople on here
The good news is that as more and more black people become a part of the middle and upper class, the likes of the “J-E-W-S!” McKinneys, “Tawana” Sharpton, and “corporate shakedown” Jacksons will continue to lose clout with the mainstream.
Of course, nothing gets the loonbat black liberal left like a Conservative black, like Herman Cain or Thomas Sowell. Oh boy watch the flames shoot out of their backsides when one of these guys speaks outside the realm of the economic slave plantation of liberal democrat handouts. The loon liberal black left gotta keep their people in check dontcha know.
By Gitmolife
August 16, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
The GOP will win in November
Elections are not free anymore in this country.
Good job conservatives.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Are you denying that we live in a racist society?
YES I AM … it used to be - but not now!!!
Sure there are racists - black, white and hispanic, asians etc … but the society is NOT racist anymore and its nasty liberals and bigoted activists who see their meal ticket threatened who keep beating this vile drum to keep the still sizeable, but not quite as monolithic black racial spoils votes coming!!
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
TFTT, The people of E. Tennessee are too busy pulling 12 hour shifts at Eastmann Kodak to be out committing crimes. They may be poor, but they are employed.
Idle hands are the devils workshop, remember.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Realist - I am NOT putting them down at all - just pointing out that they are NOT thugs/criminals - like in ATL . DET DC parts of CHI NY LA etc.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
one other point - there are NO large white yoof criminal gangs across the fruited plain in the way there are black and hispanic yoof gangs in so many places now … obviously the mafia are something unique and a very different kettle of fish - but they’re Italians and hispanics mostly - except for the bloody russians!!
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Dang it,
Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the blog…enter Markus, the arch enemy of all self-avowed commie, pinko, socialist, bush bashing, apologist, quasi-intellectual, uppity, immigrant, cut & run, troops-non-supporter, atheist, environmentalist, lazy, hippity-hoppity, small-minded, long-winded ‘Murica haters (known collectively, of course, as “liberals”).
Pardon me as I acknowledge my above shortcomings and RUN for cover from this Great Bastion of Conservative Intellectualism.
By Markus
August 16, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Mark the lib-
“No matter how dark your skin is, if you’re rich, you overcome the color of your skin”
Not necessarily. A few weeks ago the AJC ran an article about a high-level Veep within Home Depot who was retiring after 34 years. The AJC showcased his awesome mansion in Roswell. He started out 34 years ago at UPS loading and unloading trucks in a warehouse for $3/hr. He worked his way up to a vice president. Oh, and he is black.
No, to be more accurate, one should say “If you work hard and don’t pay attention to the color of your skin or expect to be treated special because of the color of your skin, you will overcome the color of your skin.”
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
I knew you werent Tftt. I happen to have some relatives up there and you nailed it, they are poor as church mice and live in what I would call slums. But their kids still say yes sir and yes maam and do thier homework and finish school. So linking crime exclusively to poverty is ill thought, as you said.
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
I don’t know TFTT, poor uneducated blacks don’t vote or pay attention to Cynthia. Those fools I see running around South Dekalb and North Clayton don’t read. McKinney is a race baiter but it no longer works. If it did the uneducated would have had her back in office. Proof that they don’t vote.
Elitist attitude? Not me. I’m straight from the projects of Buffalo NY and BTW, Buff is not in the Biblebelt of the north. I’m not elitist,I live in South Dekalb 2 miles from Henry and 3 miles from Clayton. I get disgusted with my people some time but I’m far from elitist.
By harold
August 16, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
aint hardly nuthin as funny as a bunch of dumb chalkies claimin to know whats wrong with all the black folk
By KP
August 16, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Markus,
You missed Marks point, the Home Depot Exec never once forgot or stopped “paying attention to his skin color”..he just did what older Black Americans taught : In order for you to make it, you must work twice as hard as the white man. And that is how he achieved success. Sadly, this phrase has become nothing more than that..a phrase. Some of our youth do not understand the meaning behind the word WORK.
By Markus
August 16, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Democrat “win” in Wisconsin goes unchecked. How about that.
An election that goes to democrats by about a 1,000 votes, and nobody but a Republican questions why up to 10,000 registrants weren’t sent their registration cards. Once again, when loonbat liberals win elections by the skin on their @ss, they don’t question anything. Pathetic hypocrites.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=293225
By Toad
August 16, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Mark the Lib, the question about a racist society was not directed to you; it was a general question for the blog, but partly as a response to Elaina’s claim that the Dems are being divisive. I agree that class is often mixed up with race. Most bashing of African-Americans is really directed at poor black communities. People who don’t have much interaction with middle class and upper class blacks see most blacks as members of the underclass.
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
I saw the article about the Home Depot exec. He was lucky enough that no one else cared about the color of his skin. Thanks Home Depot. Now clean up the damn Forest Park store!
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Pasted below is the best post Ive read in weeks and I notice none of the usual cast (rarringt, mark the lib, getaclue, dana, et.al) chose to acknowledge it. This is the evolved thinking of an educated mind, in my opinion. Thinking like this leads one to become one of the rich, instead of just envious of them.
By Lorrine K.
August 16, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Jim; I was a Democrat for the better part of my young voting life. My parents were Democrat and still are. Theirs is an allegiance fostered by the party during the civil rights movement and they won’t free themselves from it.
As for me? I got tired of waiting on my two mules and 10 acres. The party never gave me anything but the status quo. I’ve moved on and done it on my own. I have no sympathy for those to choose to stay with the Democrats. They’ll get what those evil-doers see fit to give them and nothing more.
By Gitmobound
August 16, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
aint hardly nuthin as funny as a bunch of dumb chalkies claimin to know whats wrong with all the black folk
LOL.
Good stuff.
By KP
August 16, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Get to Know Your Fellow Minority Person Day
The wife and I are hanging with our Peruvian neighbors this Saturday.
By Mark the Lib
August 16, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Registration Cards? What state requires that in order to vote? What is this, 1920?
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
mark … like I said its cyber space - its hard to tell sometimes the ‘intent’. I know BUffalo is NOT the bible belt of the north -I’ve been to Buff three times, years ago now. I stayed up in Tonawanda - near the NYU campus - although there’s a lot of HiTllary voting papists up there!! I also went for a walk on the black side of towm one afternoon in Nov, and this elderly black preacher guy came up, asked me what I was doing there ,gently put me in his car and drove me downtown - telling me not to come back or I might get some trouble from local folks. Before that I went into a barbers and the folks there rather pointedly asked me if I was a narc? - I told them I was Mick Jagger’s son - when they heard the accent - and saw I had no gun/badge etc they lost most of their quite obvious antipathy!!
Mckinney’s crowd voted for her - but happily most folks have had enough of her. THANK CHRIST!!
By Markus
August 16, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
rarrringtogo!
That was a nice rant. What, you worry?
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
harold, As an old chaulkie (which I guess makes you an old charcoalie?) I dont hear anybody in here claiming whats wrong with the black folk. I think what Im hearing is that there is NOTHING wrong with the black folk. And those who understand that, are the ones who are moving on to better and more successful lives. Those who sit around calling people names like chaulkie, but then get outraged when they get called a n* are doing nothing but being left behind like the days of racism and slaves and inequality. You are being left behind pappy.
By KP
August 16, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Its a moot point. Lorrine has her opinion and we congratulate her for it. She’s not happy with the Democratic party…do you think somebody will attack her for that? Like Rarringt stated..we are not a monolithic people. Our views and experiences range as much as our skin tone.
By Dana
August 16, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Realist,
I can’t say as I ever thought the “party” was going to give me anything. I’ve been hoping and watching for decent candidates (on both sides). I didn’t comment on “Lorrine’s” post because I kinda thought YOU posted that!
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
KP, It was Lorrine last point (evil-doers) that I thought might spark some comment from the left or so called moderate?
By KP
August 16, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Dana,
the whole “evil-doers” was kind of suspicious. I’ve never heard a black person say that, and I listen to Herman Cain’s talk show!
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Actually, it was supposed to be 40 acres and a mule, but whatever….
Her parents allegiance exists because they remember what is was like prior to to civil rights era, and experienced all the nastiness (lynchings, hosings, dogs, etc. for trying to vote firsthand).
She and I grew up in a different time, where that didn’t happen. Racism became and remains covert and subtle.
To her point. I agree that neither party is serving the vast majority of folks in this country very well. Dems have taken us for granted for far too long, and we have played along.
GOP recruiters, here’s a flash: most black folk are fairly conservative, in the traditional sense. Most aren’t huge spenders, are very risk averse fiscally, go to church, want to work, and love our country dearly.
The reason we don’t sign up in droves to the GOP is not because of the lack of social progressivism. We could probably deal with that. The real problem is the perception (if not the reality) that just below the surface of “common sense” conservatism flows a river of racism and intolerance.
We see it evertime you feel the need to make a speech at Bob Jones University, everytime you start pining about the southern flag, talking about crime and looking at us, ignoring the fact that many legitimate voters have been turned away at the polls, and more.
We don’t like the Democratic party, but at least we know what we’re getting - nothing. With the GOP, we don’t trust the power elements within the party, and fear what would happen - a rollback of basic rights and freedoms.
That’s not democrat propaganda so much as it is GOP performance
By Dana
August 16, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
lol… maybe it was Elaina/Emily trying on a third persona….
By Realist
August 16, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
No Dana, I stand behind my handle of Realist. Its getalife (aka cereal boy) and some of your other cohorts who mimick me and use alternate handles here. Often trying as liberals like to do, to villify a right winder as evil and racist and mysogynist.
Alas, as you wait for decent candidates on the left, I hope you do not hold your proverbial breath.
By Dana
August 16, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
Rarringt, good points - especially “The real problem is the perception (if not the reality) that just below the surface of “common sense” conservatism flows a river of racism and intolerance”
So I have a question, and it is rather a departure from today’s topic, however - how do you (the republicans in here today) feel about that? I can’t imagine it is true accross the board, but certainly it is rampant among your group.
By KP
August 16, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
My Grandmother said it best…”When you vote, which candidate would the Klan support..then vote for the opponent” Her reference to the Klan came from her time when she grew up in southern Arkansas in the 1920’s and 30’s.
By deegee
August 16, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Georgia has a fifth district represented by John Lewis. Isn’t he more representative of his constituency than was Cynthia McKinney?
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Come to think of it, I haven’t really met many black folk who say evildoers either.
Methinks something is rotten in Denmark….
By Dana
August 16, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Realist - I haven’t seen many good candidates on either side.
I doubt that many mysoginists are able to recognize that in themselves. And I would like to point out, that even on my just posted post, I don’t generalize you the way you seem to do with me! Pointing fingers and generalizations do nothing so much as generate even more division and detract from any attempt to find the solutions we ALL need.
By Making Sense
August 16, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
@ Voice, if you are black, you need to talk to your parents and grand parents. Do you think you are not racially profiled when you “shop where you want to shop”? If you have not experienced it, I am sure you have heard of black people going to the Waffle House in the North Atlanta Suburbs and have not been able to “eat where they want to eat”. You think you “go to school where you want to go to school”? Not really, because of some of the racist real estate agents, your family is only shown houses in predominately black neighborhoods or your credit score is lower pushing you into a higher interest rate thus making you eligible for less expensive housing. Crosses are not the only mark of racism or a racist society, please get your head out of the sand! Please pick up a book, read a newspaper, turn on the news or get more life experiences before making such ridiculous statements. What civil right have I had gone without? How about the fact that as a African –American there has to be a law in place to afford me fair and equal voting rights that has to be renewed, rather than a general right of every other American? How about unfair and unjust treatment by law enforcement during traffic accidents, being denied job opportunities that I was more qualified for than the non-minority candidate that got the job. Followed in malls because I was black, regardless of being dressed in a suit and being able to buy everything in the store. WAKE UP!
@ Ed, good point. I couldn’t agree with you more.
@ Political Foreskin, Thanks for reminding us of the real issues.
@ J Tom, yes slavery ended year ago followed by years of Jim Crow. In the states, within the last 35-40 years we have had opportunity but the stereotypes and attitudes are much deeper and have a much longer history than the perceived equality we see today. The divorce rate in this country is well over 50% for all Americans regardless of race. Different cultures have different values than modern Americans. There are so many things wrong with what you said, I don’t even have time to address them. Did you ever think of the fact that most immigrants do work that most American no longer want to do?
@ JK thanks for seeing my point. And I agree with you, no group of people are alike, we all are individuals.
@ Joe, I am multi-racial (Black, Italian and Puerto Rican). You are correct about the voting power. I was just going by what I hear and read in the Latin community. Thanks for setting me straight.
@ Time, the days of “blaming whitey” have long gone. We are angry at the administration that constantly disregards our needs and at every attempt try to take the entire nation back in time. The latest attempt was the voter id card. That was nothing more than an attempt to keep liberal voters from the polls and everyone knows it. This is why we are so “angry”. I wouldn’t brag about births in wedlock when the divorce rate is so high. What good is getting married for the child if you are getting divorced 6 months later? Out of birth babies do not breed thugs, poverty and lack of opportunity does.
The worse schools are in predominately white rural Georgia, not in the metro city of Atlanta. I think Georgia was ranked 50th or 49th last year as the worst schools in the country. That “dumb down” did not come from anyone other that those who are poor. Foreign schools throughout the world are doing better than American schools. That cannot be blamed on any minority, as whites are still the majority. How can you put violence in schools as if it is just a black problem?! Last time I checked, the students who want to go and kill everybody Columbine style are white. Are you really that ignorant or just enjoy reading what you write?
Next you compare poverty and drugs to white and black. And say that it is a different level. Well, crystal meth is not predominate in ANY black community. However, the laws that apply to someone on crystal meth is a lot different than someone using crack.
Ah, now I see you are upset about that racist flag. It should have never been seen after the south lost the civil war. Anything different is considered treason. I have not heard of drive by shootings in Atlanta. Whites may not be killing each other but who are molesting the children? We can play the “what race commits this crime” game all day long.
Finally, I agree with you about the churches. Good Christian folk still can’t bring themselves to worship together Sunday morning. That is sad.
By Al Qaeda type voter
August 16, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Methinks something is rotten in Denmark….
Cheney went to Denmark?
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Making Sense,
Makes sense to me. :^)
By KP
August 16, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Sounds like and Alpha Man!
By DW
August 16, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Economic empowerment, better schools, encourage more taking of responsibility of our own actions, and losing the “victim mentality”.
By KP
August 16, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Sounds like an Alpha Man!
By Realist
August 16, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
I think there is still a huge flowing river of hatred and disdain for any person, black or white or brown, who commit crimes and milk society for all its worth yet gives back nothing, who blindly, proudly and regularly produce offspring born into welfare and single and no parent homes, who have no idea of the meaning of patriotism or country, who condone if not promote violence and self serving acts for personal gain, who publically and proudly promote the drug culture, who proudly promote true mysogyny and violence against women, and who blame every negative occurance in thier life on someone other than themselves. If you look around and see that what I described above seems to represent a larger portion of your race than any other, than that is no fault of mine. If you want to lump yourself in with that group of misfits and idiots, its of your own chosing.
I think the “racism” that you beleive you still feel today, is not racism. Its intollerance for stupidity and self-loathing non-producing parasites of society. They come in all colors. And I dont choose to lump myself in with the white ones, just because I happen to be white. Let those “white trash rednecks” fight thier own battles, while I move and succeed in life and happiness.
By deegee
August 16, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
Yup, I had the same reaction to evildoers, sounded like a fake to me. For those republicans that want to be the party of inclusion please explain how the following story about republican Senator George Allen’s remarks over the weekend fit your agenda? He said it directly to him, twice. It was being vdeotaped and the senator knew that.
“A Virginia senator with presidential ambitions says he had no idea what it meant when he called an American of Indian descent a name that translates roughly as monkey.”
By mike
August 16, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
Its always so nice to see all the ideas, thoughts and advice the majority has for black folks. With all this positive information for my people how else can we make this country a better place. I see we have tried to spread this same knowledge throughout the world and look how this goodness has been received. Good work christain americans.
By KP
August 16, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
Just below the surface of “common sense conservatism”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/16/allen.volunteer/index.html
By Al Qaeda type voter
August 16, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Realracist,
*Its getalife (aka cereal boy) and some of your other cohorts who mimick me and use alternate handles here. Often trying as liberals like to do, to villify a right winder as evil and racist and mysogynist. *
Why is everybody always picking on me?
Whaaa!
By sct
August 16, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
I just don’t understand why there aren’t more macaca’s in the Republican party…
By Sam
August 16, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
All I know is that at my childrens’ school, we have a bunch of native born Blacks with chips on their shoulders and a bunch of African born blacks who came here not even knowing the language. The foreign Black kids pick up English in about a year, work very hard and absolutely crush the native born Blacks in achievement and attitude. They have no more discipline problems than Whites. They are respectful of adults. They make good grades. They are very well represented in the gifted programs. They make good friends with kids of other races, and they are just generally a pleasure to have around.
I don’t have any problems with people from other races, provided that they give me and my children the respect that we give them. My oldest’s best friend is an Ethiopian immigrant and she an absolute dream. She came here dirt poor, but she is going places big time.
The American born Black, hip hop, ridiculous thugs need to pull up their stupid looking pants and get a life. What the heck makes them think that anyone is going to give them any respect when they are walking around like little penguins with their underwear hanging out and their crotches at their ankles.
Hip hop folks… start acting like you have an IQ above 50 - and maybe you will have a chance. Nobody cares about your chip anymore - nonwhite immigrants are showing you up every day. You are quickly becoming nothing more than comic relief. Opportunity is here for everyone of every race provided that you aren’t an idiot.
BTW, hip hoppers… if it’s so bad here and the man is so after you.. maybe you should just go back to Africa… but first you might want to spend some time with the African immigrants so they can tell you how things really are there.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
TERROR IN THE SKY!!!!
It’s the little old lady with claustrophia….had a hissy fit of cowardess that caused hysteria…..the pilot ordered F-16s from miles around, then her hissy fit brought the whole plane down.
ANd everybody says the greatest threat to our homeland, is the little old lady with claustrophobia..she flashed real hot as she eyed the door, she’s the terror of all the air corridors…
It’s the little old lady who spread hysteria!!!
BLow granny blow granny blow granny blow!!!
(sung to the tune of Little old lady from Pasadena)
By Realist
August 16, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Since when is calling a guy a monkey racist? Ive always referred jokingly to my big friends who I used to play ball with as “you stupid ape”. Or referred to a job being so easy that a “monkey could do it”. There are even tv commercials based on this same premise (monkey paints self into corner). How is monkey related to racism? If anything its calling a person dumb or stupid, but how is that racist? Because monkeys fur is dark in color? I dont get it.
Oh I forgot, it is racist because you SAY IT IS.
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Very odd, indeed. Most black people wouldn’t mess up “40 acres and a mule.” I mean, it’s part of the lexicon.
And “evil-doers?” Hmph.
Realist, I think you’ve just had another Dan Rather moment….
As far as your 1:10 post, we don’t care for those folks either (regardless of racial or ethnic persuasion). We really don’t care for those who draw the stereotype that that kind of person is representative of us.
No one person can represent a race. Bin Laden doesn’t represent Arabs. Timothy McVeigh didn’t represent whites. Kim Jong Il doesn’t represent Asians. Why do you think the person you described above represents black people?
You (meaning conservatives on here) talk a lot about individualism, but love to lump us together into one monolitic group. That’s, at the very least, intellectually dishonest.
You’ve currently got a room with a number of blacks who clearly don’t fit that mold. Jim, you’ve got a grand opportunity to argue the virtues of modern conservatism to a group of people that fit the GOP’s most wanted list.
Here’s a fair question, as blacks and liberals are being constantly asked to define themselves and their beliefs.
Define conservativism.
I’d like to know exactly what you people mean when you say “conservative.” I think, for many of you, it does not mean what you think it means, but I’d like to hear your definition.
No “dittoing” Jim’s definition or someone else’s. No links to other sites. No cutesy but empty “the opposite of liberal” statements. Nothing allegorical, no references to Iraq, no ratification of the position of some politician or talking head you like. No more shortcuts. Original, independent thought of how you define conservative.
If you can.
By Al Qaeda type voter
August 16, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
You can take the klan out of the Senator but you can’t take the Senator out of the klan.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
Its very simple for me and I dont need to cut and paste or type a book to tell you. I align myself with conservatives based on these principals:
Less Government Intrusion into Free Markets
Less Social Programs/Spending
Increased Spending on Military Programs/Space
More emphasis on morality/Christian views of our Constittion and founding fathers
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
Does anyone buy for one minute that George Allen just came up with that particular word right off the top of his head? Yea right.
By KP
August 16, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Can you REALLY not see anything wrong with what that Senator said or how he said it? I can give you a you tube link to see the actual tone of the statement.
By Liberal
August 16, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
Ah, it’s good to be back.
This topic has been debated constantly over the past few weeks. However, this time the discussion seems a little more productive (can you believe that). I’ve seen good points made by most people on here. There are a few points to clarify although.
1)Welfare is a very broad term. There are plenty of people who work, but still receive foot stamps for example. Don’t assume that every poor person is lazy.
2)Crime IS starting to affect poor white, rural communities. The meth epidemic is a prime example of that.
3)We as African Americans DO have it a lot better than 40 years ago due to the sacrifices of the older generation. However, racism still exists and I’m sure everyone agrees. I get around it by speaking clearly, giving a firm hand shake, and looking directly into the eyes of who I’m speaking to. You’ll be surprised how the little things matter.
4)Africans and African Americans are two distinct groups. African immigrants are individuals that were determined enough to secure residency and citizenship here and also realize the opportunities that they have compared to their native lands. On the other hand, a lot of African Americans are still plagued by a negative mindset that there is no way out of the racial caste system that has existed in this country. It is a learned behavior passed down through generations from slavery through Jim Crow where parents tell their kids what they can’t be rather what they can be. Deprogramming this attitude will take a while. Luckily both of my parents worked hard and were able to provide me with a middle-class upbringing.
4)Now that the legal barriers are down thanks to MLK, John Lewis, and others in the Civil Rights Movement, the huge next step economic development and empowerment. It’s about making resources available to all so that they can have better access to opportunities, especially in regards to education. If the GOP is looking at how to win more of the black vote, they should look no further than Jack Kemp. It was Kemp that recognized the need for economic advancement and he has been very active in this regard.
Finally, in regards to race relations, whites tend to feel too guilty and self-concious for actions that they personally didn’t commit in the past and we as blacks can be too paranoid due to atrocities committed against us in the past. Both of this type of behavior feeds into backlash on both sides. Getting past this is crucial in order to improve race relations.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this
Now you guys and girls can have a field day pointing out how the current admin falls short of these principles and site how the democrat party aligns itself more with these principlas than the GOP does. Have at it…type until your hand falls off. You will still lose in 08 despite your best efforts.
By KP
August 16, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this
Amelia,
I’ve never heard that word used like that. You don’t make it up or mistake “mohawk” with macaca. You use that word only if you know the meaning. The sad part is the audience that laughed.
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
Anglos don’t feel guilty Liberal, they feel fear. They are seeing the country getting a very good suntan and it scares them to death. That is what is at the heart of “immigration reform”.
By Al Qaeda type voter
August 16, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
Constittion
LOL. The GOP and the “Constittion” does not go well with each other.
Less Social Programs/Spending
I agree, cut the Iraqi welfare.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
to Liberal
3)We as African Americans DO have it a lot better than 40 years ago due to the sacrifices of the older generation. However, racism still exists and I’m sure everyone agrees. I get around it by speaking clearly, giving a firm hand shake, and looking directly into the eyes of who I’m speaking to. You’ll be surprised how the little things matter.
No, we wouldnt be surprised. Its called being civilized and yes, it will get you a long way on life.
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
CARTOON IDEA: Show a woman on a plane with a tampon and a heavy flow day and show the pilot ordering F-16s and bomb sniffing dogs to wait on the tarmac when he emergency lands.
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
30 minutes, and only Realist spoke up and put his ideological cards on the table.
I often disagree with him, but at least he had the courage to state his beliefs.
As to the remainder, I guess it’s all about dittoing and sitting on the sidelines, taking potshots at folks….
By Political Foreskin
August 16, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Cartoon idea: Show a guy on a plane who ate a bad breakfast burrito getting montezuma’s revenge, then show the pilot ordering F-16s to escort the plane to an emergency landing…..i know, YOU GET THE BIT!
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
40 minutes, and counting.
Wikipedia just sent out an alert that they were getting too many information requests from Georgia.
Seems like there’s too many folks searching under “conservative” in a desperate attempt to be told what they stand for….
Dang, there are some days I really hate being right….
By Toad
August 16, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
My crystal ball says Jim’ column tomorrow wil be on “Hate speech now allowed in Tech Dorms.”
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Maybe there’s a Special Report on at Fox News…
or perhaps a sale on of yellow ribbon bumper stickers…
By Monkeys Vote GOP
August 16, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Senator Allen was speaking in western Virginia, near the Kentucky border, to the apes and cretins that vote Republican in that area. If you’ve ever been there you know the gene pool there is almost as shallow as north Georgia’s.
Knowing how stupid and racist these animals are, by calling the young Indian man “macaca” perhaps Allen thought this would make the apes and chimps and gorillas in front of him more friendly to the outsider.
Perhaps Allen prevented a lynching.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks rarringt. Im sure you could have ripped me up. Thanks for the pass.
I have spent the last 10 years of my life (post college years) using all my energy and time doing nothing but earning money and trying to make a name for myself. Oh yeah, and start a family. My intellectual, thinking years of college are long forgotten. And even then, most of my time was spent chasing girls and swilling beer and playing golf. Only now many years later, do I find that I have the luxury of time to sit down and actually use my head to think about things liek politics and social issues instead of balance sheets and making payroll. I am very much in the formative years as far as understanding political ideology and who stands where and why, and why or why not I agree or disagree. Heck you could make a whole career out of trying to understand all of it (some do!).
Ive learned alot and been forced to think alot by participating here. People like TFTT and rarringt, mid south, jbmlaw have all posted ideas that have made me a little smarter to have read them. I appreciate your opinions and your criticisms in kind.
By Dana
August 16, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
Don’t be too hard on them rarringt, it has to be a really hard thing to swallow when you finally realize you don’t have a clue what you believe in.
By Dana
August 16, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
wince coming on the heels of realist’s comments that sounded a bit small minded and mean, my appologies.
And perhaps, in kind, we should also define liberal and moderate? Give me a moment to shake myself for rudeness, and I’ll be back with my definitions, at least of “moderate”
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Allen was just pandering to the base. Getting out the vote in traditional republican style.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Ive dealt with too many lawyers in my time Dana. I know how to pick and choose my battles. :)
“A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.” ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
By Dana
August 16, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Realist,
LMAO! Now THAT is something we can agree on!!!
By Impressed
August 16, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
I’ve enjoyed reading here today. I have commented using a different name in the past, but not often. I don’t really enjoy the conflict.
Liberal’s post echoes my sentiments exactly. The last paragraph is the most difficult to overcome. Racism is from both black & white. Who wants to tackle that one? How can it be resolved. It can’t be mandated without violating 1st amendment rights.
Also, since the chosen topic seems to be division, it’s interesting how Lorrine’s term evil-doers was cast aside as not black. I deal with blacks on a daily basis from all parts of the country. Their diction and vocabulary is as varied as are my white contacts. Is it one of those cases where her choice of words was not black enough? Not intending to cause problems, I just thought it was interesting.
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Following Realist’s lead, I’ll keep it short and simple:
Moderate:
Fiscally conservative, with a belief in focusing money on strong social safety nets (retirement, medicare, medicaid, health care, etc.) vs. entitlement programs (corporate welfare)
Socially progressive in the areas of equitable education and agressive-but-socially-conscious business development (ANWR, OK; no strip mining the rockies for shale oil).
Strong belief that oil is an issue of national security, and that the reduction of dependence through alternative research is the key to long term stability.
Tolerant of all forms of do-no-harm religion. I am a pentecost, and get along famously with those who aren’t.
Belief in a strongly equipped and very carefully used military.
Near zealotry for ensuring fair and impartial elections and judiciary (which should be primarily comprised of moderates).
That’s a start…. :^)
By GOP = Klan
August 16, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Actually, Amelia, young George Allen used to have Dixie decals on his cars, even though he grew up in California.
History will show that the GOP took over for the Southern Democrats in the 1960s; after many p@ckerwoods left the Democrats to vote for Goldwater in ‘64, and Wallace in ‘68, Nixon’s Silent Majority strategy solidified the GOP vote in the angry white lower class.
By deegee
August 16, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Amelia, you are wound up today. Did you happen to go to any of the immigration “hearings” held in Georgia over the last two days? I looked for local news coverage but fortunately it was scarce.
By rarringt
August 16, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
And now, we’re at an hour….shame.
Ok, you “conservatives” can come back out and play, now. I won’t ask any more hard questions today. >:^)
Impressed,
I deal with blacks a lot, too, and they, I mean we,…oh never mind. LOL
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
rarrington …
just got back from luncheon and must do some work on my PC this pm.
However … as a SECULAR conservative - and we are very thin on the ground in the south so its hard for me to find fellow political travellers. conservatism as an ideology is more about the status quo and keeping things as say the likes of Harold MacMillan wanted them. But even those days of “never having it so good” were not as good as the halcyon days under Baroness Thatcher. She is my ideal kind of conservative - although Stormin Norman Tebbit - now Lord Tebbit is at least as good. Sir Ronald Reagan (PBUH) was also a sound visionary leader.
“true” conservatism (i.e. my spin on it) includes:
non bigoted patriotism, smaller govt, low taxes, persecution of liberals, a liberal free press, minimal govt interference in one’s life, a property owning democracy open fairly to all, no liberals, respect for property and human life, eradication of all vestiges of the NFL and NBA and their symbols, a decent health care and education system - with some state benefits as a safety net for those who genuinely need it, access to a level playing field in the job market for all races, the forced deportation of all liberals and eco wackos, respect for one’s national heritage and traditions, freedom of religion but freedom FROM religion too, the eradication of political correctness, no state sanctioned discrimination - unless you’re an arab fascist, french, scottish or australian, an element of choice for women but NO partial birth abortion or abortion on demand, respect for the armed services, no racist quotas or preferences for anyone -a true meritocracy, no homo marriage ever - but civil unions are fair and reasonable … the list could be much longer of course.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
implicit in all that was NO multiculturalism of course!!
By JK
August 16, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
Oh, man. Sorry Realist, I want to give you a pass like rarringt, but I can’t. Hope you understand.
“Conservative principles”: Less Government Intrusion into Free Markets .. and more intrustion into your private lives. We want to know what you’re reading, who you’re talking to, whether you have homo feelings, and we want to regulate what you do in the privacy of your own home at night, what you grow in your backyard, and take away the right to make your own medical decisions. We’ll strike down search & seizure limitations and any other stupid part of the bill of rights to make sure that happens! Freedom is for the free market, NOT YOU!
Less Social Programs/Spending .. and more tax breaks for corporations! Government contracts to my brother in law need to be MUCH bigger, and when CEO bonuses and poor management cause the company to flounder, we want to bail them out at taxpayer expense, without costing the top executive shareholders a dime!
Increased Spending on Military Programs/Space .. If it lives anywhere on the planet, we MUST be able to kill it 20 times over. Plus, my brother in law’s company gets the contract for that new killy-thingie! Win-Win!
More emphasis on morality/Christian views of our Constittion and founding fathers I LOVE to throw this rhetoric around, even though it contradicts itself and has no basis in historical context. Why? Because we want you to do what we SAY, not what we DO, and we want you to worship OUR Jesus who loves killin’, and not YOUR pansy, commie Jesus who wants you useless, whining bleeding hearts to feed the poor and make peace!
By Amelia
August 16, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
By Realist
August 16, 2006 01:49 PM More emphasis on morality/Christian views of our Constittion and founding fathers
Nice try Realist. This one only applies to the right wing theocrats. You got real close to neoconservatism which just isn’t true conservatism.
How about: fiscal responsibility, smaller, less intrusive government, i.e. staying out of our private lives and business. Steering clear of foreign entanglements.
And Realist it was the founding fathers that insisted upon seperation of church and state. For a very good reason.
By KP
August 16, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
Impressed,
No one said her use of the word “evil doer” wasn’t black enough. English is english…that’s a made up term anyway. We jokingly stated that we have met few if any blacks that both used the word evil doer and confuse 40 acres and a mule with 2 mules and 10 acres. Any black person older than 20 know that phrase. From Spike Lee’s company, to common conversations about life. We all say 40 acres and a mule. Evil Doer…hahah…I will start using that for quick laughs though.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Realist: Be careful using the “monkey” term. That’s what cost Howard Cosell his job as an analyst with ABC Sports and ABC Monday Night Football back in the 80’s. I remember watching the game when Alvin Garrett, a short 5’7” wide receiver for the Washington Redskins, made a long run weaving in and out avoiding tacklers. Cosell’s “crime” was to say, “Look at that little monkey run!!!” It was NOT meant as a derogatory remark BUT the NAACP and other “black leaders” had a stroke. Ultimately Cosell lost his job over something that he never intended as a racial remark. Cosell, himself, was Jewish so HE probably knew a little about racism first-hand.
By KP
August 16, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
http://www.cafepress.com/angryleft/325940
I guess I’m mistaken…its already a joke.
By Toad
August 16, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
rarringt,
As a far-left liberal I found myself agreeing with many of your moderate view points, especially the one about safety nets.
When challenged to define liberalism I find it a little intimidating, so I can see why only one blogger answered you. I’ll take a shot at it.
Liberal -
equal rights for all with laws protecting minorities
safety nets for disabled, elderly, children, unemployed
universal health insurance
tax benefits for small businesses and low-earners
no governmental instrusion into personal affairs - abortion, drug laws, sexual relations between consenting adults
livable wages
strong environmental protection
OK, that’s a start. I’ll probably think of more once I send this.
By Dana
August 16, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
I’ll have to agree, wanting to state my views on a moderate stance is a little harder than I thought - being first would have been a good idea here since I don’t want to parrot anything - I’d be the first to jump on someone else for that.
I’ll add RESPONSIBILITY/ACCOUNTABILITY. We accept that we are responsible and accountable for our own lives. We do, in addition, feel a strong responsibility to reach out to those in need of help. In this country, there is no excuse for any child to go to bed hungry. Wanting to end that doesn’t stop us from being pissed when we watch someone pay for groceries with food stamps and drive off in a car we can’t afford!
PATRIOTIC - we LOVE this country. Our angst at the current situation doesn’t negate our happiness to be American, nor does it lessen our willingness to work toward the change.
I have to get back to what I am working on but I am sure I’ll have more to say later…I’ll certainly be interested in hearing what else comes out in here today!
By Making Sense
August 16, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
@ Rarringt, thank you for making the not so obvious clear. One person cannot represent and entire race of people. Issues that effect some of us, effect all of us. Thanks for the shout out! Also, I really appreciate how intelligent you are with your responses to the racists who don’t see themselves as prejudice.
@ Dana, I agree what was Elaina talking about?!
@ Truth, WAKE UP! We still live in a racist society. Just because people are not out burning crosses and hiding under white sheets does not mean it no longer exists. Things are done with a greater undertone, not as blatant but still done. Also, I find it very hard to believe that you were in the “black” part of Buffalo NY and got into a stranger’s car. (a black preacher at that) Who drove you downtown and asked you not to come back.
No white gangs?! What planet do you live on?! What would you call he neo-nazis and skinheads? Same crimes, just different skin color and different stereotypes. Please think before you write. I can respect a different opinion but make it honest or at least believable.
@ Markus, just because one black gets promoted for hard work does not mean that it happens to everyone. Come on!
@ Mark, I appreciate your honesty.
@KP, I know what you mean and respect your point of view and agree with you about hard work. But honestly, how much longer is a black person expected to work twice as hard to receive half as much? Sorry but not an Alpha either.
@ Lorraine, thank you for making my point. All blacks do not think the same. I disagree with you, but I applaud you making a decision that works for you.
@ Realist, you started off with excellent points that were very well said and true. (welfare, violence, drug culture, etc) Thanks for proving my point of conservatism exclusion by outlining the “principals”. Less gov’t intrusion until we are concerned with the gays getting married, less social programs but don’t want mothers to have the right to choose abortion on children they cannot afford, increased military spending on a war we have no business fighting while our schools suffer and we can’t provide for hurricane victims and of course the moral argument as YOU and those who think like you see fit. Great ideals to follow
@ Al Q……..please change the name. Not a good choice at this time. They may start monitoring your phone calls.
@ Sam, sorry but your children’s school is a very small representation of what anyone could consider “average” The next class may have a totally different response. Why would children have chips on their shoulders? Sounds like you putting your own ideology on them. Again, please stop putting all blacks in one category and judging all of us based on your perceived standard. Why should we have to leave OUR country because injustice still exists? I was taught to fight for what you believe in. If you run from something you will be running your whole life. I hope that is not what you teach your kids.
@ Liberal, great points! Keep up the good work
By Toad
August 16, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
I even agree with some of TFTT’s list. Especially the part about the NFL and NBA. HA HA! Cause I hate sports!
By Liberal
August 16, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
Good points Toad. I would also add:
Sound investment in infrastructure and NO PORK! A commuter rail line between Athens and Atlanta, through Gwinnett, would be a helluva lot more useful than a four-lane divided highway from Waycross to Tifton or a bridge to a desolate Alaskan island.
By Realist
August 16, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
JK, You should have remained quiet on the issue. Your long written, long winded response lacked one ounce of intellectual truth or origianl thought. YOu are merely spewing typical liberal hogwash. The free pass was appreciated from rarringt because he indeed can intelligently discuss the history of political ideology and make me actually think about where my ideas really line up. You on the other hand simply show your baboon intellect. I wont debate a baboon.
By Toad
August 16, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
I even agree with some of TFTT’s list. Especially the part about the NFL and NBA. HA HA! Cause I hate sports!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Hello rarrington! How’s it going today?
I KNOW you’re going to find this AWFULLY, AWFULLY HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT you and I are probably a lot closer on a lot of issues than you might care to think. A little bit of tweaking here and there and we’re together brother! I’m a little more (okay a lot more) conservative in some areas than you but we’re NOT THAT FAR off.
By Dana
August 16, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
I’m desperately trying to stop myself from saying this but what the heck:
I TOLD YOU SO!!!
By Realist
August 16, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
And I will now bid all adieu. Turns out Thinking Right, at least for today, is Thinking Wrong. The nuts are running the asylum it would appear.
By JK
August 16, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Amelia, BTW, I’m as Anglo as they come, Hon, and it’s not the darker complexions that scare me; it’s the NEO-cons! Don’t think the blue-eyed won’t turn on their own. They DO… the minute we refuse to march in their their BS line, they call us “Baboons.” (That’s a thinly-veiled racial slur when it comes from a Bama boy.) I’m in trouble now! I’d better learn to make biscuits quick!
By Impressed
August 16, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
KP; Thanks for the response. It was something that just jumped out at me. Since I posted, I’ve been trying to recall some terminology that is exclusive to whites. I’m coming up blank. Maybe it’s because I’m exhausted.
There probably are a couple though. My mother-in-law used to say things that left me perplexed. She was from the south and I’m not so there probably was a language barrier.
Thanks again.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Liberal: That “wasteful four-lane highway from Waycross to Tifton” is known as Corridor Z. It was to be four-laned from Columbus to Brunswick’s ports. It’s intended use, in addition to regular traffic, is to be able to better and quicker move military vehicles from Ft. Benning at Columbus to the coast for transport overseas in the event of war. It sounds like a pretty good idea to me!
By KP
August 16, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Impressed,
You are correct, no words are exclusively one race’s. Not even the dreaded n’word..we’ve all said Newt Gingrich behind closed doors.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
We conservatives get a good laugh when we use the “L” word. And when someone says “Algore” we just crack up!!!
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Making Sense - I am black, well mixed (b&W), and I have talked to my parents and grandparents. THEY are the ones who lived through those times where their civil rights were questionable at best. But you know what the difference is between us and the people that feel they are held back? We don’t care if you profile us. Follow me around the mall, hel-l, write a book if you want. My fight is different from my parents’ and grandparents’ fight. I, and any generation after them, have opportunity. Our problem, the black community, is we aren’t taking advantage of that opportunity.
Yes I went to school where I wanted to go to school. And who wants to eat Waffle House anyway?
And correct me if I’m wrong, but a real estate agent has nothing to do with the neighborhood I CHOOSE to live in. If you had one, you should have fired em.
What does being black have to do with your credit. That’s a retarded arguement, well most of em have been so far.
I read books and newspapers, and torture myself with the news every evening. I have had plenty of life experiences and venture to say have seen more of this world than you. And through those experiences I have learned that the only thing that can prevent you from doing anything you want to do, is YOU. But maybe you should check with your real estate agent and find out why you are so oppressed. Tell him to let your people go!
By the way, do some homework and find out why it’s important to renew the VRA instead of making it a law. Education my friend, Education. Sounds like YOU need to wake up.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Making …
skinhead gangs have NOTHING like the national/criminal impact that the likes of blood and the crips and the growing numerous vicious hispanic gangs have - there’s is a tiny little sick world that lives mostly in a very insular way.
you forgot to emtion biker gangs as well - but again their impact is minimal … there are not dedicated task forces specifically targeting “white” gangs in many states but there are black/hispanic gang task forces … just pop over to gwninett or wander over to to east la or new mexico etc and ask them!!
at least try and be honest bubba.
the Buffalo story is quite true - he had a preacher collar on - a gent of about 60 and he went into and came back out of a church using his keys … so I trusted him. Also some local older woman came up and talked to him, calling him pastor - I’m not the least bit naive!!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason: I think your words are very sound advice for PEOPLES OF ALL COLORS! Opportunity is out there, IF you want it! Too many people, of ALL colors, are stuck in the old logic, “Always do what you always done, and you always get what you always got”…
By Toad
August 16, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason,
Have you ever felt discriminated against because of your skin color?
By Liberal
August 16, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
You gotta be kidding ME! I didn’t know that it was that important that it even had a name…Corridor Z (I’m being serious). Just an side, wouldn’t you think that the highway should stretch from Savannah to Columbus by way of Macon?
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Making …
the day I was in Memphis about 2 years ago now I was downtown at luchtime and saw the Memphis gang unit with their offical gang unit jackets on (both black and white cops) chasing some black yoofs, guns drawn on Beale St I think it was.
sure some of my comments are anecdotal but they are accurate!!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Making sense: Your comments about Nazis and skinheads are correct. It simply PROVES that there’s trash in peoples of ALL COLORS!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
Liberal: I guess it could’ve went either way, just happened a state senator from Berrien County in Nashville, Georgia got it passed to go the present route. Might be because it goes thru Northern Berrien County? Know what I mean???
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Kidding … no one disputes that - but the impact of the knuckle dragging skinhead nazis etc in the US and their criminality is NOTHING to decades of organised black and hispanic gangs like MS 13 and the cripps etc…
all races/colours spawn criminals and trash … there’s at least 60 million of them in France :)
speaking of trash - where the hell is rednekkks? he’s missing out on some glorious actually on topic bilious racebaiting of white folks!!
By Liberal
August 16, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
Ugotta,
That’s why we drink.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
TFTT: Definitely! I totally agree with you about the black & hispanic gangs. They are a huge problem, especially for their own communities. I was only agreeing that there IS also white gangs.
Hope Wednecks didn’t get picked up and compacted. Duh-huh!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this
Liberal: YEP!!!
By clarkslawga
August 16, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Holy Crap.
This actually came out of TFTT’s pathetic sad little mouth. (Or fingers).
at least try and be honest bubba.
Honest? You wouldn’t know honest if it kicked you in the a**e. (See how I snuck a little Brit-speak of my own in there. Guess I’m English too.)
Why not be take a break from failing in your attempts to be insightful, cute, knowledgable and funny, because those aren’t working. Take a break and go to the mirror and realize that bad Brit-coms on PBS is as close to the UK as you are ever going to get.
Feel free to slander back. This was a hit and run post. I’ve got a 5 o’clock to keep.
Love in Christ, Anal-loser ga
Fake.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
TFTT: I’ll give that ole boy one thing—HE’S PERSISTENT! Boy, you really pithed him off!!!
By Lorrine K.
August 16, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
Well I must say I am amused by the response my comment drew. I’ve got to let some poor soul off the hook. It was the first comment I’ve ever made on any site and it was sincere. No more of the status quo for me.
In all honesty, if my parents ever used the term, mules and acres, I probably wasn’t paying much attention. My most recent recollection of the phrase came from my white neighbor. She and I discuss all topics openly and honestly. That’s progress in my opinion.
I’ll give my parents a call to confirm what I’m supposed to say and tell my neighbor she’s not well versed in black terminology.
Thanks to all for the best laugh I’ve had in awhile.
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
KIdding … the execrable anal loser is the sort of soft witless target that every day one humbly thanks Allah for spewing out.
You really couldn’t imagine actually creating such a demented obsessive imbecilic wanker if you were actually paid to construct such a cyber persona. That’s what makes this cyber sport hunting such good fun. Knowing that even inadequate sperm bank rejects such as this oaf and rednekkks are actually out there!!
Effortlesly pithing off such peasantish swine as this is one of life’s little luxuries!!
By Voice of Reason
August 16, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
Toad - Yes I have felt discriminated against because of my skin color - I’ve been discriminated against because I am mixed. Has it stopped me from becoming successful, nope!
By Out of Wedlock?
August 16, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Unless baboons can marry pigs in Alabama and Georgia - realist, ugotta and TFTT are definitely illegitimate.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
Liberal: After more thought, there’s probably less traffic to contend with down here in South Georgia and it could be that they intend to use the ports at Brunswick. I really don’t know the answer to that. Too, once you get to Brunswick, it’s not that far to Jacksonville or Savannah.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
TFTT: I think Wednecks is baaaaaack! He’s posting as Out of Wedlock. Yep Wednecks, we had different fathers but one mother…YOURS!!!
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this
rednekkks is back on line - funny how it cant actually stick to one id though - must be that pesky insecurity caused by that multiple personality bi-polar thang kicking in again.
still at least I have once again goaded it into posting one bit of bile smirk.
BTW rednekkks … I cant possibly be pig or a baboon - happily my mother never met your father!!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
TFTT: The only thang kickin’ is Wednecks gettin’ his Ath kicked so much he’s now bobbing & weaving, posting under different names, so he’s not embarassed!!!
By time for the truth
August 16, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this
But Kidding - rednekkks is acutely embarassed every time he remembers being sacked for drinking on the job at the sperm bank …
sorry Jim … I’ll get my coat!!
By Ugotta B. Kidding
August 16, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
TFTT: Damn, I don’t believe I’d said that… (BUT is was funny as Hell) LOL
By Pot to Kettle
August 16, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this
Southern whites have high levels of bastardy and divorce too - why is Wooten being a player hater?
By Al Qaeda type voter
August 16, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this
My friend from Texas sent you a message
By Southern Culture In a Petri Dish
August 16, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
The social problems for blacks isn’t their race, it is their culture.
Southern culture.
By Markus
August 16, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
Ah yes, Redeck’s Liberal al Qaeda is back after the very thorough and very FUNNY meltdown last Saturday. Typical posting from BS links, different aliases, the usual waste of time from the madness of extreme liberalism.
By Markus
August 16, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
Uh oh! It’s snowing in South Africa in a rare freeze! It hasn’t snowed there in 25 years, since before America’s “big SUV” craze with “yellow stickers” on the back. Gee, I wonder how Al Sore and his qwack “scientists” will ‘splain this one. Oh wait a min-u-ette. Didn’t some scientists say 25 years ago that the earth was in danger of suffering from global “cooling?”
http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=16087
Well, it is on topic sort of… Africa.
By Markus
August 16, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
Stupidity of extreme envirowacko liberalism: say no to farming! I’ve got it. Let’s just all live in caves and eat dirt. A great quote for liberalism listed here:
“Never underestimate stupidity”
http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=16087
By Shredded Tweet
August 16, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this
Cynthia McKinney was quite a clown act. What will we comedians do now? Thanks to Mr. Wooten for keeping her alive.
There’s not much to say about racism in the US because it’s so discomfitting. Yeah, we’re racists, what’s your point? We dont want to be racists, but our media infected us, that is, just growing up in America in the fifties and sixties makes one a racist, on both ends. Blacks are racists about whites too. They dont think any more of us than we think of them. I’m kinda glad about that.
I’ve actually never met a black man or woman than I’m any better than. Show me that person, and maybe I’ll change my opinion, but I’m perfectly willing to give all americans equal justice.
Even my hero, Jack Benny, had Rochester shine his shoes or make him a steak, or get his suit, or somehow defer to him. The wisecracks that Rochester was allowed was groundbreaking in the fifties, and Jack Benny was hounded about it for years.
The world’s greatest entertainer could not eat at the clubs he worked, Sammy Davis. Even Jack Kennedy stiffed him. Shame on us all.
By passerby
August 17, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
Jim, your blog is going the way of the Luckovitch blog. When morons like Markus show up it seems that pretty soon the blog turns into just another low intellect gathering place for the lowest common denominator.
By passerby
August 17, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this
Add Shredded tweet to that list as well. But I guess if you want to administer a blog populated by morons, racists, and bigots, you got it.
By mo
August 17, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
In my opinion, the next great leap in civil rights will remain within the black diaspora. See, I like it when white America talks in terms to further minimize black political and social power. It is almost like by minimizing it, it will erase the history of slavery, Jim Crow and other discriminatory practices that the African-American has endured in one form or fashion since our ancestors have been brought to this country in chains.
But black achievement, contrary to popular belief among both whites and blacks has risen by leaps and bounds. Black entrepreneurship is steadily rising. Black spending power is very strong. And yes, black political power is finding berths with the moderate and conservative wings of the political spectrum, which diversifies our political bases and bringing lasting stability.
See, the one thing that I admire about the African-American people is that we are a very resourceful people that has the ability to adapt to the changing environments yet still keep our sense of comraderie and pride. We are no longer monolithic in our political, social, and economic patterns; but we are very diverse yet still driven by racial commonality.
The best way, I believe, that a Civil Rights leader can serve our communities is to further encourage entreprenuership starting from kindergarten, and see it as our duty to create jobs. Also politically, we need to seek and encourage political diversity. We need black conservatives as well as black liberals. (I will say, however, that I do not see a personal home for black people in the Republican party; nor do I see a great service being held for us at the Democratic Party, but I digress.)
And yes, we are a permanent minority in this country. We will be a minority in this country for as long as I can see. We do not even want to be the majority in the US. But, in 10 to 15 years, Caucasians will be the minority in this country, as well. And in about 50-100 years, the Caucasian will probably be ranked 3rd in populace.
What a rapidly changing world we live in.
mo