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DEL.ICIO.USHearings hold the key to laws for immigrants
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Plain-spoken Republican U.S. Rep. Charlie Norwood of Augusta pulls no punches.
About the immigration bill passed by the Senate, he has these observations:
• “That bill is absolutely terrible. It’s the worst piece of legislation I have seen in the 12 years I have been in Congress.”
• “This bill in the Senate is a joke. It is a Democratic bill sponsored by rogue Republicans like McCain” that being, of course, the rogue Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). “It is a Kennedy bill that McCain has got Republicans to vote for.” That being Ted Kennedy, the Democratic senior senator from Massachusetts, who joined with McCain and U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) in writing the Senate bill.
• “They passed a bill so bad that you could throw out half of it, and you still couldn’t go to conference with it.” Conference will be the House-Senate meeting to resolve differences between the two bills.
When might that be? “We usually need to have a cleansing and that usually occurs in November,” says Norwood. Agreement could come before then, but only about 15 working days exist before the elections. Norwood’s prediction is that the lame-duck Congress, meeting between Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve, with voters having just spoken, may be when the gaping differences between the secure-borders-first House bill and the more comprehensive Senate bill are resolved.
On Monday in Gainesville and Tuesday in Dalton, House members will hold public hearings to examine consequential and under-publicized provisions of the Senate bill.
The hearings are “to shed greater light on as many of the provisions of the Senate bill as possible and to provide some background as to the consequences if we were to move forward with it in any serious way,” says U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), speaking Friday from El Paso, Texas, where he had gone with other members of the House to inspect border security.
Price is convinced that “once the American public appreciates and understands what is in the Senate bill, they will speak even louder than they have about their desire to have the House version.”
Monday’s hearing will focus on a provision that Price and Norwood say came late to the Senate bill. It’s one of those Big Labor provisions that inflates the cost to taxpayers of all federal buildings and other construction projects.
At issue in Gainesville, says Price, is the Davis-Bacon language inserted in the Senate bill “which states that illegals will be required to be paid more than legal U.S. citizens in the State of Georgia for any job they do. It’s so confounding because if they’re illegal, they should not be getting any benefits at all. Anybody hired could tell their employer that they are here illegally, and the employer would be required to pay them the highest prevailing wage.”
The U.S. Labor Department determines the prevailing wage, not the labor market in any state or community. It is, therefore, considerably higher than local wage rates. “These prevailing wage rates are usually equivalent to union wages and are typically well above market rates,” writes Heritage Foundation policy analyst James Sherk. “In California, for example, prevailing wages are 35 [percent] to 55 percent above market rates. Carpenters in Los Angeles earn $21.56 an hour in the market but $31.71 an hour under Davis-Bacon.”
Davis-Bacon is a Depression-era law written initially to protect unionists from cheap black labor. As revised over the years, it also includes fringe benefits to be calculated into prevailing wage. The GOP has long opposed Davis-Bacon as a cost-padder on federal contracts.
The difference between Davis-Bacon as it exists, and as written into the Senate version of the immigration bill, as Price notes, is that in one instance the higher costs are borne by taxpayers across the country. In the other, in ordering coverage for illegals, the higher costs are passed through to individuals, home-buyers for example.
What’s more, illegal immigrants would be paid government-set wages while the native-born carpenter or plumber next to them could be paid real market-rate wages.
The hearings, while dismissed by some critics as a House publicity stunt, have real merit. Because some of a bill’s most consequential provisions slide in at the last minute, a breather that allows both sides an opportunity to argue specifics should be a requirement before final language is drafted.
There should be no surprises, no phony promises. Bring ‘em on. Explain it all. Plain, clear and open.
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By Mid-South Philosopher
August 12, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
The entire illegal immigration problem is an economic one. In the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s, a number of businesses (corporate and otherwise) experienced a significant shortage of labor. Here in Georgia, it was a major problem in the poultry and egg producing industries and, to a lesser degree in the carpet and textile industries. I recall talking to a friend of mine (a plant manager) in the 80s about the growing population of Hispanic workers in his business and I well remember his response, “Hell, Philosopher, I can’t get local people to work!”
I could deliver a three hour lecture on why this came about in the American economy, but I will not.
While many businesses (corporate or otherwise) have dealt fairly with these workers (albeit both the worker and the business were breaking the law) others have paid slave wages and worked many of these people in ways that we would find repulsive. Ironically, even these bad work environments are situations better than those from whence many of these workers have come.
The Wade-Davis provisions in the Senate bill is a pitiful attempt to prevent businesses (corporate or otherwise) from paying substandard wages to illegal workers and, by extension, to discourage businesses from hiring illegal workers in the first place. The Congress does not have the courage to pass legislation that would imprison employers for hiring and working illegal immigrants. Neither do the collective members of the either the House or the Senate have the gonads to enact legislation that would confiscate the property of employers hiring illegal workers and use the proceeds to protect our borders and for other national security purposes.
And besides that do we really want to arrest and fine middle class mothers (working or otherwise) for hiring illegal Hispanic women to clean their houses, do the ironing, and babysit the kids? Do we really want to put fat, old men in jail for hiring illegal Hispanic men to mow their lawns or to repair their roofs?
To deal with this problem, we, no doubt, have to secure our borders. If we do not (and I hope it is not already too late), we are going to pay a tremendous price for our folly. At the same time we are going to have to devise a way to deal with (regardless of what Hannity and the other jabbering heads say) some 20 million + illegal workers in this country. We need someone who can think out of the box. We need innovation and creativity. Unfortunately, we will not find that coming out of this Congress on this White House.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this
The way this country is going with Bush/Cheney, we’re going to have to build that wall along the border to keep the Mexicans IN!!!
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 12, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
Gosh…am I still asleep this morning! It is the Davis-Bacon provisions, not Wade-Davis. Surely, I am not that far behind!
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this
Point of order: Brevity is next to blog-liness.
Davis-Bacon may make it possible for illegal immigrants to sue in federal court their employers for underpaying them all those years past, (when a reasonable man would have known they were illegal immigrants).
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
Good thing you didn’t give the 3 hour tour…the 3 hour tour…and stranded us all on the wade-davis desert isle….with jbmlaw, the wanker too, the prattler, and his wife, the goofy star, the profane and Mary ann, here on wade-davis isle!!!
Always have your coffee first. That’s another new rule I’m afraid I have to insist on: brevity, coffee, and Roberts Rules of Order.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 12, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
I stand “chastized”, Blog Dawg. I am having my coffee transfusion as we speak.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this
ah yes, coffee and blogging! Juan Valdez probably is in this country selling cheaper coffee beans as we speak, and him and that confounded mule is going to be the ruin of this country.
We simply have to do something about that jacka**. Pass the sugar.
By deegee
August 12, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
These so called hearings are nothing but a Republican dog and pony show designed to whip up the base. In order to be “heard” at the meetings you have to be placed on the agenda beforehand and those doing the placing are not allowing pro-immigration groups groups to be “heard”. Hopefully the whole thing will be a big yawner. My observation is that more people are coming into the Mid-South Philosopher camp as they become better informed about the entire issue.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
alright! Deegee gets the “best use of unneccessary Britany Spears air quotes in a blog” award this morning.
By Jim Wooten
August 12, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
Philospher, Blog Dawg, deegee, morning and welcome. Quite a spirited discussion you all had for the past couple of days. Some very good posts.
Philosopher, I think you’re likely to see the Social Security deficit problem cured before anybody proposes seizing the property of those who hire illegals — or maybe it will take nothing more than a Democratic takeover of Congress.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 12, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Jim, I would be in favor of a Democratic take over of the Congress or even a Republican take over…if we could find some real ones!!!
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
Luckovich’s cartoon about the Iraqi war should be captioned, “Which one is the Jacka**”?
Jim, I have forgotten a rule of grammer. Does the question mark go inside the quotation marks or outside the quotation marks in a sentence? Shame on me.
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 12, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this
Blog Dawg, if I am correct, your sentence should have been punctuated thus:
Luckovich’s cartoon about the Iraqi war should be captioned, “Which one is the Jacka**?”.
But, then again, I don’t know Wade-Davies from Davis-Bacon!
I’ll make one more comment on this issue, then I must attend to the Saturday designs placed upon the Tressleboard of “she who must be obeyed.”
In our country, we continue to have a need for a supply of labor for more menial tasks. That need is not being filled by our own population. In fact, our leaders, (both political and societal), stress that our children, (all our children), should plan on attending college. When is the last time you heard the President talk about Americans wanting their kids to grow up and become good poultry farmers or plumbers? It seems as though we are sending the message to American kids that if you don’t go the college route, you’re not achieving the American dream. We give cursory tribute to vocational/technical training, but, as a society, we stress that the college degree is the “golden apple.”
That being true, the need for cheap labor remains and until we address that issue, the problem of illegal immigration will remain with us.
By Markus
August 12, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
Great. Just what I needed to start off the weekend: being reminded of another government-mandated doctrine that overinflates wages (is that what liberals call a living wage??) which are passed off to taxpayers and homebuyers. That’s a liberal democrat’s wet dream naturally.
Let’s face it. Neither party has any real interest in “going outside the box” on immigration reform. It’s all about who will get the most votes. Republicans are pandering because they know a large part of the Hispanic community votes democrat, and in cases like California where Democrat Rep. Loretta Sanchez got hundreds of illegal alien votes to upseat a Republican incumbent, Democrats know where to get the “freebies.”
http://tancredo.house.gov/press/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1219
Building a 2,000 mile wall could have been accomplished 30 years ago, but as anyone who’s paid attention to the international uproar over even thinking about the idea, it won’t fly. After all, according to Democrats, world opinion is how America needs to run it’s policies.
Well hey, maybe some illegal Mexicans can tell that moonbat Cindy Sheehan (who was hospitalized yesterday for dehydration) how to drink water in Texas if you are going to go without food and live on land like an outcast. What a kook.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
Now you are talking Jim.
By Lee
August 12, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
I have to question why is Congress even debating the immigration issue. It is an enforcement issue, or lack thereof. Right now, I am sick of our Congress and sick of our President on this issue. The only politician who got is right is the Governor or Arizona when he called in the National Guard (which, by the way, is the appropriate use of our National Guard instead of having them in a quagmire in Iraq, but that is a topic for another day…).
A few observations:
If our public schools actually taught HISTORY, instead of that politically correct pap they serve up nowadays, our citizens might fully realize the implications of unchecked immigration. A quick read of “The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” or a study of ancient Egypt would be a good place to start.
Unchecked immigration is a sypmtom of failure of our welfare system. We have hundreds of thousands of able bodied persons sitting around collecting a welfare check instead of doing the low-skilled jobs that the illegal aliens are doing. Illegal aliens are merely filling that gap.
The hiring of illegal aliens could be dramitically curtailed if we made an example of a few large companies. We’ve shut down companies for various reasons before. Look what happened to Arthur Anderson after the Enron debacle.
If congress wants to pass a law, how about one that says we will not provide a free education, free healthcare, or any other services for illegal aliens.
While we’re at it, for local law enforcement personnel to say that arresting illegal aliens is not within their jurisdiction is insane. I find it ironic as hell that they will write me a ticket for rolling through a stop sign at 3mph, but they won’t do anything about a situation that is eroding the very fabric of our society.
There. I’ve ranted enough (for awhile, anyway)
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Midsouth brings up a VERY important point. How many of us have spouses that hate the time we spend blogging so much as to holler, yell, abuse, and scold constantly (especially during daylight or evening hours)?
By Jim Wooten
August 12, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Blog Dawg, Philosopher and I agree on the the punctuation.
And, yes, on the spouse who insists I spend far too much time here. If asked, all of you will be required to to submit affidavits that I was indeed here paying bills electronically.
Welcome Lee, Marcus, getalife. It’s a little early out of the sack for you, isn’t it getalife?
By getalife
August 12, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Jim,
No Jim, I get up early everyday.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
“This week, after Ned Lamont won the Connecticut Democratic primary, Dick Cheney said his victory would embolden “al-Qaeda types.” Is this the type of country we’re going to live in? Where the Vice President of the United States can blatantly suggest that Connecticut voters are aiding the terrorists?”
Jim,
Your opinion on this?
By Jim Wooten
August 12, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
Incidentally, we talked last weekend about how to preserve your unique blog identity, which does have real value in helping the rest of us to give context to your arguments. It throws all of us for a loop when an imposter, or simply another Jim, Barbara, Susan, Marcus, Mark, Van or Lee, the common names, starts posting. It would be possible, as I think Barbara suggested last weekend, to register your blog identity and tie it to email address or addresses. But if you were in a third location — a hotel, for example — it would require a password. And a password would require you to reveal the sort of personal information registration requires. The question is with our technical folks, but before any decisions are made, do you have any further guidance. I’m a little leery of registration because I don’t want any unnecessary barriers to entry in the discussion, or what potential posters might consider as barriers. And I’m a bit concerned about anything that might affect the spontaneity, the frankness, the honesty, and the full participation in the the debate. I think this is a place where no topics are taboo, though of course some language is. I don’t want to lose that.
By Lake Sinclair
August 12, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
It amazes me with the number of people who think that illegal aliens get anything free. Unless they are getting paid cash daily, they pay SS, federal, and state taxes. That stuff is taken out of their checks. Since they are paying taxes, they pay for the “free welfare”.
By SamX
August 12, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
Well, well, it looks like we have another crazy Democrat switching sides and joining the Republicans.
First it was Zell, now its Teddy Kennedy. Don’t be suprised to see W plant a big kiss on Teddy soon. Did Teddy get a kiss from Bush after they passed the Teddy Kennedy/George W.Bush No Child Left Behind act? Maybe Bush and Teddy can take a long walk together holding hands reminiscing of NCLB and their silver flask pasts.
Teddy is working with McCain on the immigration bill. Which means the Teddy Kennedy/President George W Bush, NCLB will have to change names. It will be re-named the ‘No Non-Illegal-Immigrant Child Left Behind’.
Don’t be suprised if Teddy is mentioned as a possible McCain running mate after all of this.
If there is a Kennedy/McCain presidency I hope the first thing they fix is that ultra-liberal Medicare Part D drug plan disaster, which has plunged America deeper into socialism and taxation. After all, both Teddy and McCain voted against it.
A big Republican pork filled highway bill has tons of potential with Teddy in a Republican administration. With the help of future Sec of Transportation Teddy Stephens, they can fund a 12 billion dollar bridge over Boston and fill-in the broken Big Dig. Of course that bridge will have to connect to Alaska.
One word of advise for Sen McCain if he does choose Teddy as his running mate, don’t let Teddy drive the campaign bus! Or for that matter the limo when you become President. If you let him drive that limo we’ll all be saying “President Kennedy” again.
Oh, and who knows, maybe Ralph’s problem was he got the wrong man’s endorsement. Had Reed campaigned with Teddy instead of liberal Guilliani he might have won his primary.
First ‘Crazy’ Zell and ‘Redneck’ Sonny, now ‘Liberal’ Teddy. I guess this is the Republican Revolution we heard so much about. YIKES! Nothing but a bunch of “crazy, redneck liberals.
By deegee
August 12, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
Thank you, Blog Dawg for my dubious achievement “award”. At least I got the punctuation correct.
By Jim Wooten
August 12, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
getalife, I too am off to do chores, but while the Vice President’s phrasing may have struck your ear harshly, anything that says to the enemy that while your prospects of winning on the battlefield are nil, Americans are losing their resolve and, just as in Somalia, if you can raise the stakes sufficiently high, the U.S. will pull out. That is a disaster scenario for our grandchildren. So, yes, I agree with Dick Cheney. If I read Lamont’s victory as evidence that the anti-war movement is winning, at least in the Democratic Party, surely our enemies looking for propaganda material do too.
By Reece
August 12, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
These particular public hearings are nothing more than an election year exercise. The GOPiggies are running for their lives politically and this is just another waste of OUR money. Of course illegal immigration is a problem that needs a resolution but we should be very careful of doing the wrong thing for the sake of political expediency.
Dick Cheney is less than 300 days from extinction, let’s load both houses of congress with REAL “right minded” members. By that I mean Democrats that will hold these criminals accountable, restore observance of our constitution and get fiscal matters back in control.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
Well said Jim.
I respectfully disagree. Americans have lost their resolve in their leadership not the troops. I believe strongly Iraq is a mistake and the all facts about this invasion will come out after W is history.
I believe this invasion has created more terrorists and the consequence of this war will make it less safe for the future generations.
Mr. Murtha spoke out, after talking to the military, six months ago and he was right. Our troops are not trained to be policeman or peacekeepers. They are in a non winnable situation. After 9/11 they enlisted for the right reasons and were let down by their leadership. Where is Osama?
Like they chanted at the Lamont victory speech, bring them home.
By Otter
August 12, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Philosopher wrote: The entire illegal immigration problem is an economic one. In the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s, a number of businesses (corporate and otherwise) experienced a significant shortage of labor. Here in Georgia, it was a major problem in the poultry and egg producing industries and, to a lesser degree in the carpet and textile industries. I recall talking to a friend of mine (a plant manager) in the 80s about the growing population of Hispanic workers in his business and I well remember his response, “Hell, Philosopher, I can’t get local people to work!”
…And I’m sure its true that the manufacturers couldn’t get local peple to work in tough conditions for very low wages. When manufacturers say they can’t get local people to work, they really mean they can’t get them to work for the wages offered.
The work described is difficult and poorly paid. But aren’t republicans always talking about market forces? I mean they do when it suits them. I think these industries, could pay more until the labor supply equals the demand. But they prefer to import illegals, undercutting the law, the level playing field, the “social contract”…and then complain about the cultural changes. Industry pays lobbyists to make this possible; 400 lobbyists per congressman, and those are only the registered ones.
I live in Marietta, and Tip Top Poultry has many bus routes that import, every day, hundreds of the the undocumented from as far as Rome.
Additionally, extra wages are paid for punctuality, and when during each pay period, the bus is late one time, that saves the company about 3,500 dollars per bus.
Clearly labor is at a disadvantage when a large component of its workers cannot vote, cannot collectively bargain, cannot afford themselves of the protections others enjoy. Laws protecting corporations are enforced, but those protecting legal workers are ignored, or excepted into irrelevancy.
I think the market has virtue, but the playing field must be more level than it is now for the market to function in this area. Additionally, I think the establishment of an underclass that has no legal status or voting rights is the new slavery.
You know, where some people are 5/8 ths of other people. As house proud as we are of this region, we have a nasty and recent (in historical terms) history of genocide and slavery. Let’s not find new ways to continue this pattern.
I think a wall at the border might be a good idea. But we need to assimilate as citizens or deport current undocumented residents. No more 5/8ths of a person.
And blue collar workers, you are fools if you don’t recognize how current policy and practice hurt you the most, while elites press cultural buttons on you to get you to go along with policies that are not fair, ethical, or in your best interests. Labor savings go right to the bottom line of corporate shareholders, which is why its so important to them. But it is the blue collar infastructure that is hurt, schools, wages, family viability, health care, etc.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Maybe I’m wrong about reaching the blog area, but don’t you already have to be registered with a password to even get on AJC.com?
getalife,
The first time Murtha started whining about getting out of Iraq was in August 2003, not six months ago. He was also the one that convinced Clinton to cut and run from Somalia. If we listen to Murtha we are dead men walking.
By Lee
August 12, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Sinclair; re “It amazes me with the number of people who think that illegal aliens get anything free.”
Let me see if I can clarify:
You have already mentioned the fact that many illegal aliens are paid on a cash basis. No taxes there.
Hospitals MUST provide emergency care for life threatening situations. It has been well documented that many hospitals in the border states are facing bankruptcy (or have already shut down) due to pregnant Mexicans sneaking across the border and showing up at the emergency room in labor. As an added bonus, the little bundle of joy is now a US citizen entitled to all the benefits that entails. If I show up in the Emergency room, I better have insurance. If I dont, they will garnershee my wages, take my property, etc. etc. And lets dont forget the increase costs passed onto you and I due to all these FREE services to illegal aliens.
Schools MUST accept all children regardless of immigration status. In addition, if the child does not speak English, the schools MUST provide ESOL teachers for them. Last year, my small, semi-rural school district spent $750k on ESOL teachers. That is in addition to the $6-10k per student (depends on whose figures you beleive) that schools already spend per student.
Let us not forget the cost to society due to increased crime attributible to illegal aliens. Nationwide, I’ve seen estimates in the $Billions.
And while some of you might like to get your grass cut cheap, the overall effect of illegal alien workers is that it depresses the wages of low-skilled workers. It’s sorta hard to get someone to move off the welfare rolls when welfare pays more than working for a living due to all these illegal aliens.
Finally, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. I really dont think we need to debate anymore than that one point. I don’t care how much a small minority of them pay in taxes - they broke our laws, get them the heck out of this country and make them walk through the front door like LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
Who is the “enemy”? Iraqis? Kurds? Osama Bin Laden? Al Queda?
Who is the enemy in Iraq? The insurgency? The Shia? The sunni? The kurds? The foreign nationals fighting just to fight whoever? Does anyone know?
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq? Is it even enunciable?
Who is the enemy in the war on terror? The Pakistanis? They were the bad boys in the airplane plot just foiled. Al queda? Osama?
If Osama is the big bad boy, then why did we not stay in afghanistan and finish him?
Why Iraq? Oil? Is that it? Cheney’s oil greed? Is that it? Cheney and oil and Saudis?
Who is the enemy? It’s not illegal immigrants.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
What is the mission of Hezbollah Troops in Lebanon?
What is the mission of Israeli Troops in Lebanon?
What is the mission of proposed UN troops in Lebanon?
What if Hezbollah fires rockets into Israel after the ceasefire and UN troops take up their positions??
I’m telling you, there are no clear cut answers and nobody is in charge. We are sliding headlong into a global catastrophe that Cheney set in motion with this oil think in Iraq.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
RW,
Your hatred of Mr. Murtha has blinded you to the point of not accepting the reality in Iraq.
For those who say the Dems do not have a plan to fight the war on terror, here it is
The wasted rescources in Iraq could be used to fight the war on terror and get the people responsible for 9/11. Real Americans will not let OBL and his gang get away with the 9/11 attack.
By Van
August 12, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
getalife,
While we may have created more terrorists by going into Iraq, think of how many we will create by pulling out before we have accomplished what we started, A free Iraq.
Just like Somalia, once we showed our true colors, we became a paper tiger, we can be easily defeated, just show a few dead Americans and we will run.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
I’m telling you that Cheney is acting (and has acted) at the behest of the Saudis and he’s a traitor, and needs to resign, and he belongs behind bars. (after a fair trial of course)
It’s the only way to explain everything Cheney’s done in the last six years.
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
Couch Potato alert: Mike Wallace will interview the president of Iran on sixty minutes sunday night.
Must see terror TV!!!
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
That’s not fair, Van. You claim that you can predict what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq when you couldn’t predict what would happen before we went in. You were 100 percent wrong then, so we are to believe your analysis now?
I’m fairly certain that’s a debating protocol violation.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Blog Dawg,
You have the floor sir.
By zekemire
August 12, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Solution to the illegals! Arrest them all, deport them immediately,arrest and fine anyone who continues to help and support them including employers and require all people, physically able, who receive welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps and any other “entitlement” to work at whatever job is available to receive that taxpayer confiscated aid!!!! This solves the illegal and workers for jobs problem immediately! What about the children born here! THEY SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED CITIZENSHIP IF THEIR PARENT(S) ARE HERE ILLEGALLY! That violates the entire intent of that rule!
By Otter
August 12, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Not very long ago it was illegal to withold labor (haymarket massacre). It was illegal for a slave to learn to read. Illegal for women to vote. This does not describe ancient history, rather events in the last 100 years. You can shout “ILLEGAL all you want, but it is not a reliable indicator of morality.
That being said, what are the alternatives to the problems you complain about? Shall we not educate these children? What do you think the result (see your crime rant) of that would be? And illegals that go to the doctor have to pay as you do. If you show up without insurance, you too will be treated and billed, as they are.
There are probably 15-18 million undocumented people here. Will you round them up and deport them over a porous border? What will that do/cost? It will do nothing, cost immensely, and make us resemble 1938 Germany. Your rant may be popular, but its sensless and angry. And sensless.
By the way these people are people, just like you. They are not objects. Most are of Indian, rather than Spanish extraction. Their antecedents have been on this continent 50,000 years longer than yours. This continent was all theirs once. Your precious distinction between leagal (yu) and illegal (them) is a remnant of the fact that our antecedents or ethnic cousins slaughtered all their northern cousins and built a new nation, and declared them illegal. That’s a fact, Jack.
I found your posting hateful, selectively legalistic, and impractical. It accuses falsely, and offers nothing useful or good. Some people have a need to be right and good and make other people wrongor bad.
We have a problem alright, but what you offer won’t help anything except a slide towards a bankrupting punative fascism…or a a psycologist’s diagnostic process.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
getalife,
The man is directly responsible for the foreign policy that has led to thousands of American deaths. Frankly I can’t see why you are so devoted to him.
From your “plan:”
Eliminate Osama Bin Laden, destroy terrorist networks like al Qaeda, finish the job in Afghanistan and end the threat posed by the Taliban.
Great, but if it was a plan instead of a bumper sticker there would be some hows in there. Even if it had the plan part of the plan that is a very myopic view of the worldwide threat from Islamic fascism.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Blog Dawg,
I repectfully request to address the other side’s lame argument of RW.
Will you yield the floor sir?
By getalife
August 12, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
RW,
The man is directly responsible for the foreign policy that has led to thousands of American deaths. Frankly I can’t see why you are so devoted to him.
I am not “devoted” to W’s foreign policy but do agree it has led to the needless deaths of American troops and he should be held accountable.
It is a plan and the details will come when they win in November along with accountabilty for this failed administration. “Stay the course” is not a plan.
Islamic fascism. How many times has W flipped flopped on the name of the enemy? He is worse than Kerry.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I don’t really care what name President Bush settles on. He has been a part of the problem by trying to be politically correct in identifying what we face. We are fighting a regional war, but it is being allowed to be compartmentalized into simply a war in Afghanistan and a war in Iraq along with some police actions. Murtha is dead wrong on what it takes to win this regional war and as I said and you twisted. Jack Murtha is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans and if his “plan” is followed we will face slaughter on many fronts for years to come.
You may choose to take the ostrich approach and pretend that Iraq has made us less safe and created more terror, but the fact is that it has only brought some shadowy figures into the light. If we have the resolve to see this through and fight it on all fronts we will finally rid the earth of this particular scourge.
As Ronald Reagan once said, we will always face some form of evil and each generation will need to be willing to face it or they will one day tell their grandchildren about the time when America used to be free.
Thankfully we are free and can spend the time before elections telling our fellow citizens how best to approach the future and then take our case to the ballot box. Lately I”ve noticed that you are advocating that this freedom be revoked and only those that agree with you be allowed to vote. Sounds like Saddam’s Iraq to me.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Here’s a more complete quote:
[*In each of the world wars, the enemy and the tactics used to defeat them have differed. What doesn't change is the need to stand up to those who perpetuate evil on the world. Ronald Reagan said, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."*](http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060811-090007-8052r)(Hat tip: Andy)
By Fall Line
August 12, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
This country and this government need to learn a simple fact. The people of the United States and the people of the European States are not ready to wage a full scale war. The uproar over collateral damage will always stop any military initiative before it can be fully realized. Somehow we seem to forget that. Those who think that a military victory is the answer to the problems in the Middle East are only deluding themselves. This government failed this country by not having a viable strategy for getting out of Iraq before we became bogged down in a war of attrition. I’m a Republican, and I deplore seeing good money thrown after bad. Iraq is a rat hole into which we’re destined to pour our fortunes.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Or this
By getalife
August 12, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
RW,
I fully understand you are scared of the big, bad Muslims coward. Real Americans are not and do not buy into the neocon bs. There is a much better and smarter way to fight terrorism. You fight it with emotions instead of your brain. Your party scared tactics will not work this time.
Take the latest terror threat in England for example. The fight them over there bs is bs. This plot was foiled by a tip from the Muslim community in England.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
getalfe,
The plot in England was monitored and ultimately stopped through a number of cooperative actions. This is a sign of progress that wouldn’t be happening if there were any truth to what you say about how we are doing everything wrong.
Elections will be held in November, until then I suggest you keep getting out the message of dhimmitude and we’ll see how your appeasement ans servitude plan stacks up against the true American spirit of fighting for and protecting our freedom.
By Repub Tidbit o' Truth
August 12, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
“Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past.” —— Richard M. Nixon, (RW’s hero) 1968 ——
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
RToT,
I agree that we should elect a new President in 2008. Feel better now?
Sorry Jim, apparently the children can’t resist following me around. I didn’t mean to derail your topic. I thought I could respond to getalife, since he used to be a reasonable person, without turning this into yet another AJC cesspool of playground taunts. I guess that’s really all the left has anymore.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
The upcoming elections are about government oversight.
Some Republicans want a Dem control for oversight and I respect those who choose country over party.
I am not a big fan of the Dems but will support them to achieve government oversight and accountability for my country.
I hope Americans will vote to achieve this goal.
By Repub Tidbit o' Truth
August 12, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology. The Lives of Americans are at Heightened Risk as Long as the Bush Administration Remains in Power.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
The rest of Mr Yahoo’s hit piece story.
It makes you wonder though, if the left is always correct why do they always misrepresent the facts? Care to answer that RToT?
By Repub Tidbit o' Truth
August 12, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
“They are blinded by their own self-righteousness. And this explains their over-the-top aggressive rages. They have very little capability of being self-critical or self-analytical in any fashion. They are zealous and aggressive in pursuing the policies of the authorities to which they’ve committed, whether it be religious or political, or the compilation of the two. Often these people adopt religion. I’m not questioning anybody’s belief, but I’m just saying it’s a very typical pattern of the double high to adopt religion for manipulative purposes. It is also, I learned, of a very interesting phenomena that these authoritarian personalities who are highly religious employ, and it’s called cheap grace. Once they accept Jesus, or once they go to confession, if they’re highly conservative Catholics, for example, they can absolve themselves of their behavior by their religious cleansing, if you will. This probably eases any moral qualms they may or may not have. It’s a very troubling phenomena, because, as I say, they can do wrong and then forgive themselves by adopting some of the tenets of their belief system, and go on and do it again. It’s quite remarkable.” — Former Nixon Staffer John Dean, discussing his book “Conservatives Without Conscience”, explaining people like RW and the very UN-American authoritarian dictator-types he supports —
By getalife
August 12, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this
Yes, it seems the troll from Mike Luckovich’s blog RW has brought his style of debate here.
Talk about name calling, it is worse than the main thread at the Huffington Post.
By RW-(the original)
August 12, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Out of respect for Jim I’ll let you have your playground to yourself. Please review the posts for the name calling. Much like RToT’s projection over just who supports dictatorships, you should be able to easily spot the insults and they won’t have come from me.
By Repub Tidbit o' Truth
August 12, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this
“I was a Republican - until they lost their minds.” Charles Barkley
By getalife
August 12, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this
“Republicans cannot be trusted with the
keys to both the executive and legislative
branches of the federal government.” — Richard Viguerie, Reagan architect
By Repub Tidbit o' Truth
August 12, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
“You know I am a Republican, don’t you?” (my Uncle Marty to me) “Yes, I do.” (me to my Uncle Marty) “Well, I AM ONE P-I-S-S-E-D OFF Republican!!” (My Uncle Marty to me. I never argue with my Uncle Marty; I’ve always respected him.)
By getalife
August 12, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
Richard Viguerie, ane of the architects of the Reagan Revolution, says it’s time for radical action
to save the Republican Party from itself. His plan includes the following actions, which would spell
bad news for the Fascist bastsrds in the 2006 midterms and in the 2008 presidential election:
By Blog Dawg
August 12, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Yeah, when RW shows up, I wish getalife’s ID was “takealife”, but you cant have everything.
RW was voted most likely to be unliked at his high school prom.
Unt he played Heetler in der prison play, “Mein Pet Kampf”, (bush’s book), so convincingly that recently his Parole officer has asked him to head up a summer youth program.
By J Tom
August 12, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
It looks like I didn’t get my chores done quickly enough to get my two cents in about illegal immigration before the Iraq War took over again. I’ll post them anyway.
I’m tired of hearing/reading stories treating illegals as a monolithic group. They are not, and each group requires different consideration.
The eighty-five percent who come here to work and earn a better life for themselves and their families are a problem only because of their shear numbers. Give everyone time to assimilate and there will be few problems. It will take a few more schools, demands on business to put them on payroll and not pay them under the table, and a few other actions, but by and large, the cultures of Latin America are not too dissimilar from ours. We would survive.
The first step though has got to be to close the borders. We can’t absorb many more without dire consequences. Metro-Atlanta is already straining its water supply, and other resources will soon dry up (no pun intended). Many of us will be paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade to water-conserving plumbing fixtures. We would not be doing this if our open border policy hadn’t resulted in 20% of the metro area being illegals. This is just one of the hidden costs of having such large numbers of them. Strains on schools, health facilities, etc. have already been mentioned.
The other fifteen percent are the real problem. They aren’t here to work. Part of them are here just for social benefits, many are here for illegal activities.
IAs make up about 28% of the federal prison population, and varying %s of state and local incarcerations. Face it, a US prison offers better living conditions than many third-world areas. We need agreements with other countries that would allow prisoners to serve their sentences in their native country. If more of their countrymen were in our prisons than ours in theirs, we could pay a differential to the country to cover the cost of incarceration. This would lessen the number of prisons we need, the number of translators required, special food requirements, prison gangs, and the need to deport them upon completion of the sentence (which we too often fail to do). The prisoners would get to be closer to their families, not have a language or food problem, etc. This could be done by treaty to avoid any Constitutional issues. I suspect that having to serve in a prison in their own country would be a huge deterrent to committing crimes here.
You may not be aware of this, but there are buses on the other side of the border waiting to carry pregnant non-US citizens into the US when they go into labor. US law requires hospitals to render medical service in an emergency, regardless of citizenship status. Of course, when a child is born in the US, he/she is automatically a US citizen. This ‘gaming’ of our laws must stop, but there is no push to change the Constitution. You probably know that the UN building and all embassies have extraterritoriality status. Give that same status to the clinics along the border and declare any newborns at, or arriving to, the clinic are citizens of the mother’s country. That should end the nonsense.
We could solve many of the problems of illegal immigration if we could ignore the ‘open all borders,’ vs ‘send them all home’ extreme viewpoints and focus on what could be done.
Sorry for the long post. It won’t happen again today!
By Andy
August 12, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
By Jim Wooten August 12, 2006 10:54 AM Incidentally, we talked last weekend about how to preserve your unique blog identity, which does have real value in helping the rest of us to give context to your arguments. It throws all of us for a loop when an imposter, or simply another Jim, Barbara, Susan, Marcus, Mark, Van or Lee, the common names, starts posting. It would be possible, as I think Barbara suggested last weekend, to register your blog identity and tie it to email address or addresses.
10-4, let’s do it.
What about the pinko’s blog?
By Jim Wooten
August 12, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
Pinko’s on pinko’s own.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
Quit your Andy.
By getalife
August 12, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this
Quit your whining Andy.
By Blog Dawg
August 13, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
About the value of identities, Mr Wooten: They are what cause all the name calling and troll play.
If we would just post comments, with no ID, then there couldn’t be this territoriality based jealousy and bitterness.
We would have pure discussion.
Invectives, would have to be like this, “To the guy or girl who just posted about Iraq, and who commented that he thought that Iraq was a mistake cause we didn’t have a plan going in or going out, well, let me tell you something, mister or miss, you’re a total loser fool idiot and nitwit wanker boy/girl I hate you and you are a traitor and an AL QUEDA type. YOU=TERRORIST!!”
See? it just doesn’t work, and becomes comedy and would wither on the vine.
it’s only because as human beings we tend to inhabit our creations (IDs), that we fight for their honor.
By Blog Dawg
August 13, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this
Dick Cheney gave himself away recently. He commented that Americans who didn’t vote for Lieberman are encouraging “Al Queda Types”.
It’s great that he’s finally pinpointed and profiled exactly who the enemy is: “Al Queda Types”…(no wonder we cant find the enemy, we cant even agree how to spell it. Hezbollah/Hizbollah; Al Qaida/Al Queda)
Now, if we add the “Al Qaida Types” Cheney describes to the “Islamic Fascists” Bush describes, then we can finally round up these guys cause we now know exactly who they are!!!!.
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
Punctuation Question: Should quote marks always be surrounded by commas as above in, “Al Qaida Types”, or not? Does it depend on the structure of the sentence? I’ve forgotten all these critical style points that I once ruled in. I rocked in English class in high school and college, man. Rocked. Then someone passed me a bong and whiff! (oh the colors!)
By Jim Wooten
August 13, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Blog Dawg, I’ll admit that no-name posts is an argument that hadn’t occurred to me. I do like being able to associate ideas, writing and debating styles and humor with individuals. Barbara, I believe it was, spoke this week about joining the discussion late and surveying it quickly for commentary by one of her favorites. Others probably do that too.
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this
Blog Dawg,
That bunch of hooey you just posted has to be a debating protocol violation. I would stay and tell you the error of your ways but I’m off to church. That somewhat limits the number of promising invectives that can be used to clear the air. So grab a bone and growl. Or better still—see you at church. (It’s the nice place with the bells and stained glass windows.)
By getalife
August 13, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this
Jim said this:
yes, I agree with Dick Cheney.
I guess he thinks all the Americans who voted for Ned Lamont in his victory are “Al Qaida Types”.
OMG, send them to Gitmo, torture them for information, do not let them talk to lawyers, do not charge them with any crime, listen to the communications, check their banking records, print their names on the news and call them terrorists.
Welcome to the new America.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Ask your preacher if it is okay to kill others if you are scared of them.
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this
Dusty’s preacherman is violent vicious warmongering trash.
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Norwood - killed his friend playing with guns, probably drunk. Wooten’s favorite congressman? It figures. Trash.
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
Norwood says it was an accident - who knows - he killed the only other witness. Witless, clueless redneck trash.
By Jim Wooten
August 13, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
GodHatesTrash, I have no clue what you’re talking about.
Blog Dawg, the comma should go inside the quote when it’s needed at all.
I’m off.
By GodHatesTrash
August 13, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
What kind of scum elects trash like Norwood?
Georgia scum. Trash.
By RW-(the original)
August 13, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
I thought I read in the AJC that the problem is Texans.
(Hat tip: Andy)-the same Andy that wants to thank getalife for his tips on fine cigars.
By Barbara
August 13, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim. If you’re taking votes, I want my ID to be used and also unique. I do often scroll down to read something read by certain individuals. It really depends on the topic. If I’m not really interested, then I just read a few posts by my favorites (on both sides if they’re all posting). Believe it or not, I have favorites on the liberal side too. Toad and James are usually pretty respectful and do give reasonable arguements. jbmlaw, contrary to all the liberal hate directed his way this week, surprises me. You never know what side he’s going to take for any given issue. I thought for a long time that he was a card-carrying lib, but I was wrong. That’s one that can’t be put in a box. And I can’t believe I’m going to say this but Susan is growing on me (ughhh!).
Of course you know my favorites on the opposite side.
I disagree that without IDs we’d have a better discussion. When we write, we generally assume we know our audience and so our phrasiology is geared towards a certain point. I think we’d be scratching our heads trying to figure out what was meant by certain posts if we didn’t have a basic idea of the intent or personality of the poster.
Plus it is fun to call names every now and again. It’s sort of entertaining and sometimes is our signal that it’s miller time.
That’s my vote anyway.
Have a good morning.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
Snot Dawg the leg humper:
“Should quote marks always be surrounded by commas as above in, “Al Qaida Types”, or not?”
What happened? Were you out back smoking pot with the other liberal hippies when English clash was in session? Oh wait, you ADMITTED IT! Now wonder so many liberals are ignoramuses. Periods, commas, and semi-colons are always placed inside quotation marks.
To answer your question you’ve asked a thousand times like an annoying five-year old, “What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?,” it’s rather simple: to remain there until the nation can fully establish security on it’s own. How’d you like that punctuation, leg humper?
Regarding Cheney, you liberal ladies don’t even think we’re at war, at least according to that sniveling horse’s a*s flaming lib Chris Matthews this morning, so what you think about Al Qaeda and Hezbollah is as meaningless as giving a flying pig on how to “correctly” spell them as if those names deserve respect.
By Blog Dawg
August 13, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
Oh, it’s miller time.
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Well, I ‘m back.
God Hates Trash, when did you hear my preacherman? Sounds like you had a bit too much orange juice this morning.
Barbara, I’m not too sure about this “family” type blog where you only read the ones you think you know. Some days I post and some days I don’t. That would make it hard to be a member of Jim’s Country Club. But I don’t worry. Getalife always loves me.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Forum ID stealing is nothing new. If anyone here remembers the days of Accessatlanta’s message boards, it happened on a regular basis. More often than not in those days it was a lefty morphing a rightie and posting nasty racial comments and other things to incite anger towards the right-wing posters. Ah, those were the days. I have a feeling a couple of posters here used to frequent those boards, especially the “Politics” and “Your Turn” boards. The language is just too similar.
One thing that cannot be stolen is the style of writing, which includes everything from regular mis-typings (like me since I use a laptop mostly), articulation in formation of thoughts and relaying them, and of course the methods of insulting. Another way to “get to know” your fellow blogger is to pay attention to the times they post.
Whether or not we have to register here makes no difference to me. I have very little time during the weekdays to post and my weekends are busy too. This forum is not open after 6pm or before 8am, so my access time here is very limited.
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Markus,
You are off the track right now. There may be plenty of liberal ladies here but I’m not one of them.
If you are trying to insult men by calling them liberal ladies, then I will have to fall back on that tired title “male chauvinist pig”. Now, you wouldn’t want to hear that old cliche’, would you?
As to your frquent vulgarities, go scribble them somewhere else. Box cars are nice. They really don’t add a thing to a blog.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
Best Buy has “Team America” on sale for $7.50 right now. If anyone hasn’t seen it and isn’t a flaming candyassed terrorist-appeasing liberal, it’s a must-see. Created by the “South Park” guys, it’s a great take on the whack job candyassed left in the world who don’t want to do anything about terrorism. The movie is based upon the 1960’s-era puppeteer TV show “The Thunderbirds.” Great stints include Alec Baldwin, Sean Penn, Hans Blix, and Susan Estrich. In fact, Sean Penn got his pretty pinko panties in a wet wad over it, so you KNOW it’s gotta be good!
By Markus
August 13, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Awe, did I hurt your feelings? Call the ACLU! Insofar as what you choose to call me, I really don’t care. I have a backbone. Besides, I don’t believe I was speaking to you.
By Barbara
August 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this
Hi Dusty. I didn’t mean I only read certain posters. I meant sometimes when I’m in a hurry I skim through. For example, I skip most of rednecks’ posts because I know there’s no substance; just a bunch of hate. I’ve also learned not to click on any of getalife’s links because they are always a waste of time written by some left-wing Bush-hating nut. On the other hand, I’ve looked at many of Markus’s links and they seem to always be from credible sources. (I’ve actually saved some of the links.) I read these blogs for 2 reasons only. 1) to engage in debate on issues in order to learn more about the topic or to bring another opinion so that maybe someone else will learn more about the topic; and 2) for entertainment. I really don’t like the arguing and name-calling all that much (unless I’m reading for entertainment, then it’s pretty funny). Sometimes the topic doesn’t really interest me because I’m not a news junkie or a history buff, and it’s those times that I just read for entertainment.
Today, for example, the topic is really jst entertainment, since we’ve beat it to death and no one’s going to budge. However, J Tom’s post yesterday was pretty thought-provoking…. (in my opinion).
Markus, is that Team America really interesting? I passed it up in the video store because the cover looked sort of mindless.
By Barbara
August 13, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
Oh, and Markus, just so you know, I am not offended by calling the liberals liberal ladies. I am also a chauvinist. I guess that makes me a female chauvinist pig. Now go take out that trash! And mow the grass while you’re out there :-)
Yes, ladies, being a chauvinist has it’s benefits. I can’t remember the last time I took out trash, killed a bug or mowed the grass smile
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
Uh oh,
Markus is a member of Jim’s Country Club. He wasn’t speaking to me on an open blog.
So sorry Markus. I shall try to keep my “place” so you can keep your backbone, silly. I simply prefer conservatives that can post without the ugly stuff. There are better ways of expressing yourself. (I know you don’t believe it but my mother certainly did.)
By getalife
August 13, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Yes, my links are reality and the wingnuts turn a blind eye to this concept.
Here is one for all you pinkos
D’oh!
By getalife
August 13, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Now, for some more reality
Russ gets it, noticed he used these words:
*it would be better for the country *
When was the last time you heard those words?
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
Barbara,
MCP was always a joke at my house. Haven’t seen my husband carrying out any trash but my four sons are pretty handy.
As to the unpleasantries, well, I used to enjoy the ml blog. But not any more. It is now an exhange for name calling and the enjoyable and informative people have almost been overwhelmed. I hate to see Jim’s blog go down hill. He’s a nice guy.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Well Dusty,
Would you say Andy might have something to do with the ml blog resorting to name calling?
By Markus
August 13, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Barb, if you have kept up with the anti-war crowd over the past decade, you’d appreciate the movie. It has some harsh language in it offensive to liberals (but Brokeback Mountain to them is not offensive), so you may or may not appreciate it. The storyline however is a ringer for the modern appeasement left (not just in this nation).
By RW-(the original)
August 13, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Funny that the “reality” link you send us to says “Full Transcript” when in reality <———that’s actual reality…it’s a tiny snippet. Even in the snippet you give it shows Feingold saying that Lieberman running for office is bad for the country. Why can’t you guys just present your ideas without suppressing others? If your ideas are better you will win at the ballot box.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Dusty, Dusty, you ‘misunderestimate’ me. I’m not here to start anything, however, if some loudmouth like Snot Dawg wants to slobber all over the forum with anti-Bush rhetoric, don’t expect it to go unchallenged. Liberals like that individual are always wanting to dominate forums and blogs, even if they are right-tilting. If I say one negative word about a democrat on democraticunderground.com, I’m TOSSED OUT. And to think the left in this nation was all for free speech. Yup, they are… right up until they read or hear something they don’t agree with.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
RW,
I watched it this morning, feel free to post the rest and add your spin.
Also, Charles and Arianna were on CNN talking about the blogs. They both did great and talked about accountability to the MSM in words and in photos. She talked about Cheney’s ridiculous statement about the voters in Connecticut being “Al Qaeda types”. Pathetic.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Oh, and Barbara…
“Now go take out that trash! And mow the grass while you’re out there”
Yes dear… whatever you say dear. I submit my humbling servitude to your Goddessness!
By Barbara
August 13, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty. I agree with you that if we turn into name-calling only, then we lose our ability to have rational conversation. That’s why I keep asking Jim to protect our IDs. I really think that part of the problem is with the ID stealer stirring up trouble.
There have been some really good debates on Jim’s blogs between the 2 camps. And a lot of times when we get too out of hand, someone has the decency to say “hey guys, stop it and get back on topic”, and we usually do. I don’t know this Andy that getalife keeps referring to, but ironically, getalife is one that doesn’t honor that code. This “Blog Dawg” is another one. When this character joined in (it seems it was less than a week ago), he/she went after a few regulars like jbmlaw and others, telling them to shorten their posts, and only post 10 times a day, etc., yet this character should now be renamed “Blog Hawg” due to the number of posts.
I’d like to see us get back to the little group that was here when I first came too (which was only about 2 months ago). We really had some good debates. I think I even remember having a few with you. But as a community we have to discourage those who only want to turn this into a negative, name calling, garbage-link-posting waste of time. We need to take our blog back (and by ours, I mean the conservatives and the libs that want to continue having honest, intelligent meaty discussion). Now that doesn’t mean we won’t through out a few names every once in a while. We’re only human……
Now I’m off to Best Buy to get a new movie…..
By Barbara
August 13, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Markus, a well trained husband is good indeed. Your SWAMBO must be very happy. (She Who Absolutely Must Be Obeyed.)
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
Yes, I would say that Andy’s posts cause some name calling.
Why? Because he quotes some very reliable information from newspapers and other news sources. He quotes them word for word and adds the source of every word he quotes. Because he likes the conservative way of supporting this country, it causes quite a stir among liberal bloggers. They call him every name they can drag up, mostly ignoring the information he presents.
Yes,Getalife, Andy does respond, just like you do. But as far as his information, it is always reliable in content and source, not to mention that he is also very “bright”.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
RW-
“Why can’t you guys just present your ideas without suppressing others?”
Thats what liberals do best! That’s why liberals see NO bias in the media! The media tells the story from the perspective of a lefty, so of COURSE they’re not going to perceive mainstream media as biased left. The very idea of them having issues with FoxNews is all you need to know on where the mainstream media sits from a liberal perspective. When they aren’t throwing a hissyfit over something, you KNOW something is wrong! In the mainstream media from the New York Slimes (that the AJC loves to reprint from) to CB.S., nar a countering voice or opinion is given. And liberals call us sheep.
By RW-(the original)
August 13, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
getalife,
One of the funniest things wasn’t Feingold, it was Snuffalufagus asking Feingold how it was possible for a man that had decided to become an independent to hold Democrat committee positions. For some reason the name Jim Jeffords never came up.
I’m glad we’re agreeing more today. I think Arianna saying that freedom of speech should be outlawed is pathetic too.
By RW-(the original)
August 13, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Markus,
The incessant blather about Fox News is hysterical. Imagine if there really was a right wing news source on mainstream television. I’ve never seen one story on CNN or SeeBS or the others that wasn’t also reported on FNC, it’s just that you get to hear both sides of the story. How subversive of them!
By getalife
August 13, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Oh Dusty,
You broke cardinal rule wingnut rule #1.
Yes, I would say that Andy’s posts cause some name calling.
Never admit to anything. Andy posts wingnut opinions and resorts to name calling to those who laugh at him. When the going gets tough, he calls the FBI. Like they do not have better thing to do.
By RW-(the original)
August 13, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I agree 100% with Dusty’s 12:58, so put me in that rule breaker category too.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Jim,
I vote for freedom of speech.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
RW-
That’s another reason the leftist media is trashing blogs these days: they know a lot of good bloggers out there will upset their propoganda machine and actually call them out on their BS! We did’t have this even ten years ago, although Drudge was the Godfather of blogging and B.S sniffing.
CB.S.’s fake Bush documents.
Reueter’s doctored Lebanon bombing photos.
Swiftboat Vets.
ALL have exposed the left’s BS, and with regards to Kerry and the Swifties, not ONE charge they lobbed has been challenged or taken to court by Kamp Kerry as slander or an absolute LIE. That’s rather telling, don’t you think?
Insofar as the left’s argument that the mainstream media is owned by Jews/Cons, that’s about as valid as saying GM owns XM radio which plays Air America and therefore GM must slant left (a hypothetical example).
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
I will be very honest with you. You’ve gone off into the wild blue yonder again.
Sorry I can’t spend the afternoon trying to answer your blind mindset on wingnuts, neocons, etc. etc. etc.
bye, now.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I already know the answer.
You say you support the troops but actually you do not
Just plain scared.
By Dusty
August 13, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
RW,
I guess we both know what Barbara means about the “good days” on a blog, just like we once had on the ml blog. It was fun and I miss it. But the liberal interference is too bitter to stay with it.
Soon I shall enjoy YOUR blog again…. “RW, the Original” and it is original. I leave you to “put up” with Getalife.
By RW-(the original)
August 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Here’s some more great whitewashing err… work of the antique media.
Time to attack the fascist lawn growth.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
And here is one from the favotite “liberal” newspaper you called traitors
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
RW-
Little Green Footballs is the bomb of a website! I heard about it only recently from a co-worker, but haven’t had time to check it out yet. I don’t have to build a Green Egg grill table today like I did yesterday, I’ll be doing some catch-up. That link showed how wacko the extreme left can be: a Jews=Nazis flag. Priceless. I kept looking for the McKinney Kook Kamp LOL (uh-oh, some extremist liberal kook is going to call me a racist now). Thanks for the reminder!
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
Get a room wingnuts.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
@getalife:
Keep your New York Slimes links to yourself. You wouldn’t want me posting links from the Washington Times now, would you? Oh, and I just knew that the very FACT that Bush’s international wire evesdropping helping to stop the terrorist bombings from the UK would upset the poisoned applecart that you liberals feed out of.
By Barbara
August 13, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
We had a room. It was called “Thinking Right”. Then you leftist whackos came over here from your own blog that you trashed, and are killing our fun. Go back to your hate-blog and leave us conservative right-thinkers and the reasonable lib debaters alone.
Just like you jerks want to take away everthing else, you have to hijack our blog too?
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Typical wingnut moonbat dishonesty.
Bullsh-it.
It was a tip from a Muslim in England.
BTW, the FBI thinks the lgf is the bomb too
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
Babs,
Whhhaaaah!
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
Uh-oh fellow conservative bloggers. It appears getalife has issues with more than one Con on a RIGHT-LEANING BLOG!!!
Now what was I just saying above about how liberals hate voices of the opposition? Note the increased shrill, increased agitation, increased hostility.
Careful, we wouldn’t want to cause a hissyfit today.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
He took my blog. LOL.
Hilarious!
By @@
August 13, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
Yeaaaah, Dusty is coming back to RW’s.
Dusty:
I want you to know that I am censoring myself at RW’s.
Getalife:
You know as well as I do that Dusty never said anything that warranted the kind of hate speech she received from the left-wing bloggers at ml’s. Some there choose to respond in kind, some don’t.
It’s difficult to put forth a debate at ml’s anymore because some perceive it as an attack against their person, not their ideas. Too many emotions involved.
I’m counting on you to be honest about Dusty. I know you can be.;)
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
@getalife:
Never did I say SOLELY that Bush’s wiretapping was the cause of foiling the London plan. If I did, I want you to put those little fingers to use and show me ANYWHERE in this blog where I said so.
What I DID say was that it HELPED. Need to read this link again lib?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
Oh @@,
It is all about emotion and scare tactics from the conservative side.
Your friend Cheney is a perfect example calling American voters “Al Qaeda” types. You support these people and deserve no respect.
That is my honest opinion.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Oh, and getalife,
Ask me if I give a flying PIG what C.A.I.R. thinks, liberal.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Thanks Markus,
I have read the English papers.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
Markus,
You are becoming unhinged.
I notice the increased shrill, increased agitation, increased hostility
Chill.
By time for the truth
August 13, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Truly dreadful news this weekend about the murderous Commissar Castro actually still being alive, assuming its not yet another doctored lefty liberal photo.
I recognise some of Markus’ phrases/style from Access Atlanta. Perhaps Matt or maybe Billybob perhaps …
We need to keep the id’s as they are really. This stupid suggestion about adopting anonymous posts would cause even more puerile id stealing, parodying of messages/insults etc.
As for illegal immigrants, the pandering has to stop and the shining sea to shining sea big fence has to be built before anything else is done. Its largely irrelevant just who does what right now, if we start to send the illegals home and they’re nationally shunned in the labour market - with heavy meaningful fines and some brief prison time for exploiting employers things will begin to change. As the scenario changes with a steady flow back over the border so will the labour market. The weasel like apologists for illegals will screech for a while - but who cares - and things will settle down. The illegal abuse of health/education/water/the roads/no insurance/social services/welfare etc and the criminality will cease to be the drain/burden it is and slowly things will improve. Anchor babies who’s mothers are literally dropped off in a US hospital labour room to avoid paying for medical services in mexico need to have their right to be citizens retrospectively removed. The list of illegal abuse of the US is almost endless. Bush has been appalling on illegals - as bad as clinton was.
Legal immigration is fine … illegal is unacceptable. Treat illegals the exact same way the mexicans treat their illegals.
NOW THAT’S TRUE EQUALITY!!
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
@getalife:
“Thanks Markus, I have read the English papers.”
Yeah based upon what, the New York Slimes’ twin sister the BBC? So are you saying that my Time link which S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-L-L-Y mentions the Bush wire-tapping is not credible now?
By Markus
August 13, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this
@getalife:
It wasn’t me that said “get a room.” Your overemotionalized rhetoric that drives your ideology as a liberal unglues you liberals every time, and I thoroughly enjoy it.
By @@
August 13, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
Getalife:
I respect Cheney because of his intelligence and determination. I didn’t hear Cheney’s comment. If he did, in fact, make it, I think he directed it at party policy, not the voters. Maybe he could have worded it differently, but then he is Dick Cheney.
My fear, I think, is reasonable given recent incidents. I’m human. Am I allowed to be human Getalife? I’m not as frightened as you think I am though. I’m more frightened for my country than I am for myself.
I’m disappointed to hear that you don’t respect me based solely on my political views. I will always respect you as a person, even though we may disagree on political issues.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Markus,
Get a room is an old joke.
Nobody said wire tapping is wrong but it must be done within the law.
Bush lied again and said this threat was new. It has been known for years and nothing was done.
This administrations security is all talk no action.
By Right Thinking Conservative
August 13, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten S 2611 is pure treason against the citizens of this country. Only a few among your reading audience may have heard or read of what can only be seen as a total surrender of our very Sovereignty as an autonomous nation to Mexico. At the very last minute before the vote was taken in the Senate to pass S 2611 Senator Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) introduced the manager’s bill which requires the United States to first get permission from Mexico to build the proposed fence on our border.
Surprise my fellow U.S. citizens we no longer have any property rights to the land along our southern border, according to the addle brain of Senator Arlen Specter. Those rights will now belong to the Mexican government.
The atrocities contained in S 2611 are so legion mere comment here doesn’t allow a proper enumeration of the surprises, the phony promises, and the down right stealthy nefarious deceit contained therein. The incompatibility between S 2611 which at the very least is an amnesty bill, to HR 4437 which at the very best is only a first step in the right direction of enforcement is so great, that any reconciliation appears impossible and rightly so. When further to consider that S 2611 contains a revenue raising portion, which should nullify it as unconstitutional. Dance as the Senators may interpret technically convolutedly as they will, but all revenue/tax legislation begins in the House of Representatives not in the Senate nor worked out in a committee between the two.
Surprise my fellow U.S. citizens our Constitution is being amended without our consent in ratification.
The House and Senate have failed and failed miserably “We the People” in the past on immigration, so why should the citizenry trust this august body to forthwith behave any differently in the future?
Part and parcel to the last amnesty (déjà vu people), if not at core and quintessential to The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 – IRCA - was the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. The law criminalized the act of knowingly hiring an undocumented worker and established financial and other penalties for those employing illegal aliens. The law also mandated including the auditing of employer I-9 forms. To date only a pilot program is in place for employers to use in verifying legal status. How many in charge of hiring have ever seen an I-9 form or even heard of it, let alone actually use the I-9 form in the process of verifying legal status? INS/ICE has all but ceased and desisted from jobsite enforcements. It would be very interesting, if not down right entertaining, to see a list of all the Senators and Representatives who have obstructed justice in preventing INS/ICE from executing jobsite enforcements to uphold the law under the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, from columns Democrat and Republican alike.
Surprise my fellow U.S. citizens equal justice under the 14th amendment applied to “any person” really means you are more likely to pay a fine for illegally parking, than an employer who hires an illegal alien will ever face paying any financial penalty or that the illegally employed illegal alien will ever be detained and deported. S 2611 or the now failed evidence from IRCA “We the People” have absolutely no reason, none whatsoever, to trust our Congress, especially the Senate in cahoots with our President Jorge’ W. Bush who desire to erase our borders and simply declare that illegal immigration no longer exist.
If justice corrupted in failing to enforce the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of IRCA were not enough in serving political expediency and corporations, businesses, with a labor subsidy Mr. Wooten, the audacity of S 2611 to perverted justice in serving government wage control through using immigration to flood the labor market will certainly wrench away from U.S. American citizens any sense of Teddy Roosevelt’s fair play in their the free market of capitalism.
Though Congress has again failed “We the People” if not by design then truly by an odious dereliction of duty in allowing fraud to overwhelm the present temporary guest worker program provisions under the L and H visas. Not to mention the unbelievable amount of visa overstays allowed which contributes immensely to the illegal alien population in this country. With this in mind, the utter insanity of Senators and the President to suggest that we need new or more guest worker programs of any sort, to invite unbelievable numbers of increased immigration with astronomical costs yet undetermined in order to stop illegal immigration and illegal employment, when this government cannot and has not the evident ability to muster a vertebra resembling a spine to prosecute this present fraud and violation of current immigration law from occurring and to honestly justly administer visas any better than in the past through the phony assurances of S 2611 to deliver us from comprehensive evil…
Then surprise my fellow U.S. citizens, we now as the victim Iraqis, have experienced operation Shock and Awe!
By getalife
August 13, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
@@,
This is a political blog and I have never met you in person to actually know you.
I do not respect people’s belief in killing others because they are scared. I think it is pathetic.
If that belief defines you as a person, you may want to rethink your belief especially if you are a Christian.
By Dave
August 13, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Jim you have a gal and a few guys that literally dominate your blogs. They are like the left lane cruisers on the Interstate Highway, they hog the left side blacktop and your blogs.
Anyway, my humble opinion of the immigration meetings to be held in Gainesville and Dalton make as much sense as Cynthia McKinney running for the US Presidency. Nothing can, or will be accomplished. Employers rule he day!
Ok Babs and others go for the kill.
By Dave
August 13, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Jim you have a gal and a few guys that literally dominate your blogs. They are like the left lane cruisers on the Interstate Highway, they hog the left side blacktop and your blogs.
Anyway, my humble opinion of the immigration meetings to be held in Gainesville and Dalton make as much sense as Cynthia McKinney running for the US Presidency. Nothing can, or will be accomplished. Employers rule the day!
Ok Babs and others go for the kill.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
getaife-
I respect your opinion here. I really do. I like discourse, even if it escalates to name-calling, which I try very hard not to do here.
“Nobody said wire tapping is wrong but it must be done within the law.”
What U.S. law or what part of the US Constiution is violated in international evesdropping/spying? We’ve only been doing it for the past 200 years or so.
“Bush lied again and said this threat was new. It has been known for years and nothing was done.”
When are you liberals going to stop this “lie” rhetoric? Bush “lied” about WMDs in Iraq. If that’s true then these liberals lied too:
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
http://web.archive.org/web/20040206224935/johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc20021009.html
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092302.html
I’ve got plenty more where those came from, getalife. Let me know if you want some more “lie” action from the left. So what we know now is different than what we knew THEN, but you liberals call it a “lie.” Ok, fine. Do you liberals say to someone they’ve LIED when the said they’d show up at 7pm for a meeting and showed up instead at 7:30pm due to not knowing about a four-car pileup causing their delay?
Now exactly what reference point do you consider Bush’s comment that this London threat was “new?” “New” as in pre-9/11 or “new” as in a different method other than storming cockpits and slitting pilots’ throats?
You liberals are making the “lie” word meaningless these days in your Bush-hate venom.
By getalife
August 13, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
Markus,
I refer to the final report on the WMD’s found in Iraq.
Here, is where W lied
It is not a new threat.
I am looking into “Right Thinking Conservatives” argument and will be gone for a while.
Dave,
It is all yours.
By @@
August 13, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Getalife:
In that I believe in both evolution and creationism, I believe that “survival” is a basic need within all living things. For you to ask me to overcome what is basic within me is to ask me to be anything other than human, and that’s impossible.
Some religions are warped in their ideaology. Some within our own country even. But radical Islam is definitely warped in that it has removed the basic instinct of survival from it’s followers. Christians aren’t willing to kill themselves for the sole purpose of killing others. It goes against nature & spiritual directives.
In translation, the commandment says “Thou shalt not murder”, that indicates pre-meditation. Christians haven’t set out to “murder”, we’ve responded to a threat. Death is a very unfortunate circumstance of war. Our military (soldiers) chose to take the risk of that circumstance on behalf of this country and our freedoms. I respect them for their commitment and bravery.
When it comes to the “fight or flight” instinct within each of us, I’m glad you chose to “fight” for survival. I would have regretted not getting to know you through blogging had you chosen to “flee” after the attack on your health.
We didn’t wage the war against Western Civilization, Jihadists did, and they waged it long ago, not just recently.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Ok, I thought you were referring to Bush’s “lie” that the London bombing thwart was a “new” threat, not about WMDs. Forgive me for misinterpreting this statement you made:
“By getalife August 13, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this Markus, Typical wingnut moonbat dishonesty. Bullsh-it. It was a tip from a Muslim in England.”
Of which statement morphed into this comment:
“*By getalife
August 13, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this Markus, Get a room is an old joke. Nobody said wire tapping is wrong but it must be done within the law. Bush lied again and said this threat was new. It has been known for years and nothing was done.*”
You can see, I hope, where I had no idea you referred to WMDs in there, can you not? And I just brought up the “lie” factor and WMDs whereras you were referring to the “lie” factor and this London bombing thwart being described as a “new” threat, of which it most certainly was, not the least of which is described in the link you gave me which has absolutely ZERO to do with Saddam’s WMDs!
“…the terrorists we face are sophisticated, and constantly changing their tactics.”
Now that means “new” to me anytime a terrorist “changes tactics.” Now is that your definition of a “lie” that you responded to my post with earlier? I’m curious.
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 13, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Life is too short to spend it blogging with ignoranuses like @@, RW, Candy/Andy/Andie, Markus, Realist, Time for the Toilet, etc. and soul-less joyless cows like Barbara and Dusty.
It is useless to cast pearls of wisdom before vicious hatefilled idjits.
Martin Luther King, Jr. changed the world not be trying to reason with you rednecks but by showing the rest of America and the world what animals you are.
You haven’t changed, so trying to change your little minds won’t work.
I will work to show the rest of America and the world what terrorist trash you rednecks are.
Goodbye.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
@Redneck’s Liberal al Qaeda anti-American:
Awe, what happened snookums? Did you HONESTLY think you were going to CHANGE PEOPLE’S MINDS to YOUR LIKING or something? What are you, a fascists Nazi? No, of course not. You are a neomarxist liberal so full of hate and disdain for this nation and anyone in it that doesn’t share your quasi-socialist beliefs.
PS: thanks for the hissyfit!
By getalife
August 13, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
Wow, thank you “Right Thinking Conservative”. Amazing stuff. It is incredible of the GOP rhetoric about “security” when they refuse to secure the borders and try to sale the ports again. Law enforcement seems to interfere with their agenda.
This country needs to rid itself of people like Specter. I see absolutely nothing good for our country in that bill.
By time for the truth
August 13, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
@ rednekkk vermin
any chance of you choking on one of your crystal meth flavoured moonpies tonite?
a rednekkk vermin hater
By Markus
August 13, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this
Now we know where Redneck’s anti-American Liberal Nazi Al-Qaeda has been… LOL!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22082&only&rss
By time for the truth
August 13, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
@ rednekkk vermin
now you’ve expelled at least some of that bile that’s built up over the last 48 hours … a simple question for you:
do you think it will rain tomorrow - and how about Tuesday?
By @@
August 13, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
Gee, three posts today and I’m on the “left-wing’s hate list” already at 4:28.
Was it something I said? I’ll go back up and check.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this
We interrupt this regularly scheduled blog to inform you of how a wacked out neolib can cut loose from normal discourse when system overload of FACTS with no authorative rebuttal short circuits the brain. Take note of the anger, the hostility, and the downright madness of namecalling. I expected “Nazi!” in there somewhere, but sadly, it was lacking. Therefore, my “control” in analyzing the hypothesis of extreme liberalism and mental instability is lacking for formulating a defining point of reference. Approach with caution in the future, and be prepared to wipe your PC/laptop screen of mind-maddened spit.
By Blog Dawg
August 13, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Show me where it says, “Neo-HezTROLLah conservative fringe-putter ruins Wooten’s sunday blog”.
It’s only seven hours till the cease fire, so you wonder wits better get your licks in now, while everyone’s hangin’ loose.
Loose lips sinks ships.
By Markus
August 13, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this
Hey Lap Dawg…
The last time I looked, this IS a Conservative blog. If you don’t like the amount of Conservatives on it, then make like a REAL dawg, and Old English sheepdog, and get the flock outta here. Either way, I sure won’t miss any sleep at night nor be distracted at work earning money during the weekdays (that your neosocialist ilk on the left wants to steal from me exponentially) knowing that you are here drooling the liberal drool.
By Blog Dawg
August 13, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
I was talking about the cease fire between Paris and Nicole.