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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thinking Right’s free-for-all Friday. Pick a topic:
• Oh goodness. Donald Trump’s building in Atlanta. Just as soon as one oversized ego — Bill Campbell — heads to prison in 10 days, another comes to fill the void.
• So it was a four-flush phony? The list of 676,000 voters who allegedly lacked either a driver’s license or state ID card included a member of the State Elections Board, the father of one and the wife of another. That’s 3 of 5 elections board members who could swear to an error. The list was never anything but a campaign prop in a Democratic effort to block Georgia’s voter ID requirement.
• States, including Tennessee, that eschew runoffs should look to U.S. Rep. Harold Ford’s congressional seat in the Memphis area. A white guy won with 30 percent of the primary vote in a 60 percent black district where 15 Democrats were vying, 12 of them black. Did a majority get the candidate of their choice? No.
• Cousins purchase of the 191 Peachtree tower in downtown Atlanta is evidence that those with vision and money can sometimes steal a deal. That’s a high-class building sold cheap.
• Good show for U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), getting an extension for Delta and Northwest airlines to fully fund pensions. Without it, the companies said they’d have to scuttle the plans and turn them over to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., which caps benefits at about $47,000. They said it. I believe it.
• I may be an athlete after all. The World Series of Poker is covered as a sport. Does buying a scratch-off lottery ticket make me an athlete? Silly me, I assumed some physical exertion was required.
• What is with these colleges — Duke and now Morehouse — driven into a paroxysm of angst by news that one or more of their current or former students may have been involved in a crime? Universities ain’t their mommas and daddies. They don’t commit crimes. They don’t teach them, or unteach them, core values. So quit the hand-wringing about the obvious: It’s not the university’s fault. It’s a university’s fault when they exit dumb, not when they exit bad.
• If the U.S. soldiers raped and murdered a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, and killed her parents and sister, as alleged, they deserve death.
• Cherokee County developers planning a 54-acre swim and tennis community will run background checks to make certain potential buyers aren’t registered sex offenders. That’s important to know, of course. But there’s no evidence the Alpharetta man accused of exposing his daughters to Internet gawkers or that the Gwinnett County man accused of shopping a 12-year-old to Internet predators would have failed the developers’ test. This smacks of a PR stunt.
• It’s darn cruel of Cobb police officials to fire an entire class of recruits for cheating on an exam. Recruits, having resolved that nobody would fail, undoubtedly thought of it as “team-building.” They are ahead of their time. A natural extension of schools promoting self-esteem over learning is that the unlearned would group-test so that nobody fails and all feel good. Such is modern team-building.
• From the “believe me or your lyin’ eyes” department: Reuters, the British-based news service, pulled 920 photos after bloggers revealed that a Lebanese freelance photographer had doctored at least two involving Israeli airplanes — one to add smoke after an airstrike and another to add a third flare to the two the plane actually dropped. Once a joke, it’s now a reality: You can’t always believe your lyin’ eyes.
• Katrina may be the greatest thing that ever happened to public education in New Orleans. It has a chance to start over.
• Barnesville Herald-Gazette Publisher Walter Geiger reports from Tybee Beach that on a brief walk “I saw more tattoos than our armed forces went ashore with on D-Day.” Not one, he writes, “complemented the body onto which it was affixed.” My 10-Year Rule applies to tattoos: If you haven’t changed your mind about anything in 10 years, or if you expect to be dead within 10, get a tattoo. Any size, any place. If you have or don’t, tattooing’s a bad decision.
• My 20-Year Rule applies to T-shirts bearing a politician’s likeness or campaign slogan. If you’re over 20 and still wearing one, it’s probably time to get a real job.
• Jim Wooten is associate editorial page editor. His column appears Fridays, Sundays and Tuesdays.
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By Mid-South Philosopher
August 11, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
You have a hodgepodge of topics in today’s Thinking Right on the Week Gone By, so, I will offer one more.
In the No Child Left Behind legislation, “school attendance” is one of the second indicators that can be use to measure a school’s effectiveness. A number of public schools in Georgia failed to make AYP (adequate yearly progress) because at least 15% of the students enrolled missed 15 or more days of school… irrespective of the fact that the preponderance of the same students “passed” the high stakes standardized tests!”
While schools certainly have the responsibility of doing everything in their power to encourage students to attend, isn’t there a little responsibility on the parent/guardian to see that their kid shows up?
How would it be if, along with the notice in the newspaper that “Flowertown School” (not a real school to my knowledge) was on the needs improvement list because of failing to achieve this second indicator, the names of the parents/guardians of students from that school who missed 15 or more days were listed?
Oh, wait…that would take gonads on the part of the members of the Georgia General Assembly. We can forget about that one.
By Lake Sinclair
August 11, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this
Jim
Based on your tattoo criteria, you must qualify for the tattooed man in a carnival.
By Willx
August 11, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this
What I would like to see developers do, among other things, is to screen prospective buyers for excessive numbers of dogs and cats. Each household should be limited to no more than one of each, and the dogs must be small and kept inside. No night barking would be allowed and certainly no stealth poops in the yards of neighbors. Cats would not be allowed to roam around outside, killing birds and other small wildlife and sitting on vehicles. Violators would and should be shot on sight.
Let’s really have us a pristine development.
By Jim Wooten
August 11, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
Morning Philosopher, and welcome all. Thanks for carrying on in civil discourse yesterday. I was out of town and in meetings for most of the day and managed to check in just a couple of times.
Certainly the discovery of the airline plot gives us all reason to be grateful for the vigilence of those who monitor international financial transactions, domestic calls from international terrorists, and who do the boring, grunt work necessary to our survial. Who can argue now there’s no necessary war on terrorism?
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
Poor Willx would love living next to me. I have a Doberman mix, a Chow mix, a Lab-Pit mix, a yapper, and a cat who controls all of the foregoing. We also recently took in a homeless fellow (admittedly a friend of one of my sons, so not truly a stranger) who is working through some minor criminal issues.
Life is about more than possessing a cone of silence, or a bubble of insulation around your own existence. I think my neighbors would report, nevertheless, that I am a pretty good neighbor.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this
Good morning,
If the U.S. soldiers raped and murdered a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, and killed her parents and sister, as alleged, they deserve death
Are you speaking of the folks that put them there?
Once a joke, it’s now a reality: You can’t always believe your lyin’ eyes.
Yes, the GOP has sunk to a new low
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
Dear Jim, glad you mentioned the Brit’s success yesterday. Best analysis, from a competitor paper (WSJ), reflecting on Nutmeg’s rejection of Lieberman and the adult war on terror: “Democrats who claim to want “focus” on the war on terror have wanted it fought without the intelligence, interrogation and detention tools necessary to win it. And if they cite “cooperation” with our allies as some kind of magical answer, they should be reminded that the British and other European legal systems generally permit far more intrusive surveillance and detention policies than the Bush Administration has ever contemplated. Does anyone think that when the British interrogate those 20 or so suspects this week that they will recoil at harsh or stressful questioning?”
The answer to the unasked question, of course, is “Spitballs.”
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this
Funny picture, Getalife. I wish had that imagination. Wonder if I can get a copy for my office? YAAAAAAAAAA
By White Jesus
August 11, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Lot of topics, I like the No Cop Left Behind (NCLB)story. Everybody must win, there can be no losers these days.
In the case of New Orleans public schools starting over after Katrina, the entire south needs to be hit by a CAT 5 storm then. Looking at scores, I’m starting to see redneck’s point about redneck mentality (white and black).
By Play that funky music whiteboy
August 11, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
Jim you posted: • So it was a four-flush phony? The list of 676,000 voters who allegedly lacked either a driver’s license or state ID card included a member of the State Elections Board, the father of one and the wife of another… Has anyone proposed actually keeping track of the number of people who show up for the general election without ID?
If this was not a wonderful political issue for both Democrats and Republicans someone would have solved it. It’s really simple and would require almost zero investment from Georgia taxpayers. You take the photo/id “makers” to each polling location on the Primary - which we just missed, and the general election - you let everyone know that they will be allowed to vote with the same identification they have always presented (which is the same thing you need to get a drivers licenses and/or ID card), but they will be photographed and given a voter ID. Do this for two election cycles (which would put it two years apart.) DONE. OVER. No more pandering to the Republicans whose egos are so egregious they honestly believe they are really getting 90% of the vote if it wasn’t for all the “fraud”, and Democrats who are grasping at anything that may energize the black constituency, who unfortunately for them is getting too sophisticated to be duped anymore (See Lee Scott’s defeat in Clayton County).
By Jesus the Father
August 11, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this
My children, you wanted me to integrate the schools, and I said, it shall be done. Don’t come crying to me now that its been downhill ever since.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Well jbmlaw, then you will love this pathetic GOP POS
By Rod
August 11, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
C’mon Jim, I’m sure I saw you wearing your Bush-Quayle t-shirt at the mall yesterday.
By White Jesus
August 11, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
Jesus the Father, are you the real Jesus? If so, how are you wearing your hair these days? Afro or Cornrolls?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Lieberman and Cheney are lying about Iraq connected to 9/11
They think all American people are fools. Just pitiful.
Lamont set them straight.
“Nobody…nobody will be calling me
‘George Bush’s favorite Democrat.’ ”
—Ned Lamont
By White Jesus
August 11, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
Nice quote on this months USAA bank calendar, “It doesn’t take a hero to order men into battle. It takes a hero to be one of those men who goes into battle.” Norman Schwarzkopf
By getalife
August 11, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
This is not the way to fight terrorism
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
Donald Trump was in town to fire all those cheating cadets.
Bad tatoos can be retouched by photojournalists to look more rebellious.
Tatoos would make the perfect voter ID. I think mankind’s been anticipating that development since Revelations. (and “1984”)
Does Mr. Wooten’s 20 years rule apply to wet T-shirts?
Duke and Morehouse’s angst over alumni would be valid if their former students had turned into Registered Republicans.
“Paroxysm of Angst” itself qualifies Mr. Wooten as an athelete.
Cherokee County’s 54 acre Swim and Tennis Community’s background check for sex offenders excludes it as a candidate for a nudist colony. Family friendly nudist colonies are exploding here in Georgia. My wife dragged me to one a while back. It was mostly a bunch of old men. They were jogging around. You know, when you get past 70 years of age, it starts to get a little loose down there, and if you’re jogging, there’s alot bouncing around. These four guys ran past me, and it looked like crazed bungee-jumping Chia pets!. “I hope you’ve got that cord secured, pal”, I yelled. I got a concussion trying to follow along.
By Brian Curtis
August 11, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Wooten: Quite right that there’s a war on terror… exactly the same as the war on drugs: one that is fought with police, not soldiers.
Glad you’ve finally recognized that the bomb-and-invade strategy is a loser when it comes to stopping terrorist plots, whereas police work (such as the UK did) is the only thing that works.
I assume you’ll be calling for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq now, yes?
By White Jesus
August 11, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Brian Curtis,
In order to properly colonize a place you need to bomb and invade, then rape and murder. Just ask native people from Hawaii, Australia, Africa, India, Pakistan, Brazil, West Indies, etc…. Its the Christian way. White Jesus loves you all.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this
I see the nuts are on the loose early this morning (no reference to blogdawg @ 9:03)
White Jesus, what are cornrolls? Ive heard of cornrows? Are you a real black or just a wannabe? How can I know that (the whitest man on earth) and you didnt?
And to getalife, there is a difference between true professional journalism and political satire. Again, its typical of the liberals to either ignore or not have the integrity to recognize the distinction. Its liberals and thier “do anything-say anything” antics that reduced CBS to the level of the National Enquirer.
Jim, In my opinion the cadet scandal is just another indicator of moral degradation and decay that we have witnessed over the last 50 years. We live in a society of entitlement, laziness, dishonesty, and personal irresponsibilty. Its an “Im gonna gets mine” mentality that flourished like never before under a morally bankrupt, atheist president and first lady, aka the Clintoons.
By White Jesus
August 11, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
Realist!
Hey buddy…you guessed it…I’m not black. Cornrows…that makes more sense…hahaha.
By Mark the Lib
August 11, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
Where’s TFTT this morning? We need to get some arguments started. Come on man, chime in.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
Getalife @ 8:41, you’re right, this is hilarious; the unidicted Abscam conspirator Murtha citing polls he does not believe? This is great; was he citing the polls as evidence of idiots raging worldwide? I never did hear his reason for citing the polls.
“Mehlman is referencing a 6/25/06 story in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, which reported that Murtha said he believed the “American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran.”
Three days later, the paper retracted the report. Murtha was actually citing an international public opinion poll, not expressing his own views.”
By Bo
August 11, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Bill Campbell actually thinks he can talk his way out of prison. He is now a political prisoner like Nelson Mandella, yeah right. Campbell can’t believe he did just what other Atlanta mayors have done in the past, such as Maynard Jackson, which is to steal money from the city and get by with it. He keeps saying he was found innocent; he may want to get the judge to re-read the guilty verdict on income tax evasion. Now, had he had one more member of his ‘designer’ jury he was hoping for, he would have walked on the income tax charges as well. I don’t think most blacks in Atlanta are capable of finding someone who they perceive as a powerful black man guilty of anything. Bill, take it like a man.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Getalife @ 8:49, I think I don’t get your point; are you citing this to prove how shallow Lamont is, at least compared to Lieberman?
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Yea Brian,
The police throughout the world have been very successful fighting terrorism since the early 1970’s. Not! I find it interesting that you conveniently leave out the fact that the NSA and the Pakistanis also played a major role. And we do not have the ability to do what the Scottish Yard do here in the US. Our police are much more constrained in that police must prove “reasonable cause” to serve a warrant whereas the UK police only nead to be suspicious. I laughed my butt off at the idiot civil liberties guy on cable last night speaking about how “unfree” the Brittish citizens are because of this premise. The UK also have the ability to hold “suspected terrorists” for up to 28 days without charges. We can hold them for 3 days. You guys cry about the Patriot Act when in reality it doesn’t even go far enough. So basically your just talking out of both sides of your mouth.
By Drwatson
August 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
TFTT is here. jbmlaw is one of his aliases.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
The GOP are getting desperate along with the Dems supporting the Iraq war. Look for the true colors of these politicians top come out like Lieberman.
There will be more swift boat attacks on Murtha and it will be pitiful watching these career politicians fighting for their jobs. They could care a less about the people and I hope people will not buy their bs this time.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Dr. Watson @ 9:41, I wish my command of the language was as great as TFTT. I would rival James Neal, were that the case, instead of Lionel Hutz.
By Jesus the Father
August 11, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Preach on Brother Stewart!
Can I get an amen from the choir?
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Brian,
Additionally we are at war with Islamic Fascism supported and inspired by Iran. Terror is a method! In WW2, were was it the War on “Dive Bombing” or a War againg Nazi Germany?
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Murtha’s point is a simple one, jBM. But I’m not surprised that you can’t understand it.
Murtha’s point jBM, is that most of the world’s people think George Dumbya Bush is a bloodthirsty crazy idiot, the opinion of a few stumpbroke Georgia rednecks (even those Woodrow Wison grads) nothwithstanding…
Now get back to defending your Chickenhawk Chimp-in-Chief.
By Realist (Man of Science)
August 11, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
Amen!
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
Getalife @ 9:45, you obviously have a news flash that has escaped the major media: there is a Democrat who supports the war? I thought that all opposed bombs, invasions, communication among intelligence agencies (per Jamie Gorelick’s Clinton-era policies), detentions (e.g., GTMO), harsh if potentially life-saving interrogations, and racial profiling as tools in the war on terrorism. I thought the Dem’s only strategy is to cut and run, and hope the terrorists don’t follow. Right? What, exactly, is the Democrat war on terrorism?
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Brilliant point redneck, typical of your posts. Please continue, we wish to magnify you as the voice of Democrat reasoning.
By SharonH
August 11, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
* Cousins purchase of the 191 Peachtree tower in downtown Atlanta is evidence that those with vision and money can sometimes steal a deal. That’s a high-class building sold cheap.*
Jim, it wasn’t that long ago that you were gloating that downtown Atlanta was dying and that it was a matter of time before all business was either in Midtown or the Perimeter. Now on the heels of the Cousins deal, we hear that the American Cancer Society will be relocating 650 employees there. Where’s your mea culpa?
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
You whiners and haters can’t stand it when someone gives your own sheet back to you. I guess you are conceding the point that aside from a bunch of stumpbroke rednecks, most of the world thinks Dumbya is a bloodthirsty crazy idiot.
I am waiting for your first brilliant post by the way, but I am not holding my breath.
By rarringt
August 11, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
My, my, Jim. Looks like the characters are coming out today!
By Realist (Man of Science)
August 11, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Rarringt,
2+2=3.
The world is flat
The earth is 10,000 years old.
The planets orbit Earth
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Redneck @ 9:45, another powerful piece of logic, if perhaps non-Euclidean. Please continue.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Typical and expected of you pathetic low life liberals to go find and then tout public opinion on a US matter, outside of the US.
Its no surprise to me that the extremists and islamists around the world support you guys. Democrat=Weaker Nation
By Realist (Man of Science)
August 11, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Oh yeah,
Conservatism = Innovation?
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this
Now Realist, ease up on rarringt - he is one of the rational ones on the other side, and I truly enjoy sparring with him. He had one truly good post yesterday, and I saw it too late to talk. We don’t want to run him off.
By Drwatson
August 11, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Or maybe jbmlaw is actually that idiot, Buy Danish. Hmmmmmm
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
No wonder they support Dumbya - they are superstitious morons! Click on this
By getalife
August 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
Your ignorance of the Democratic plan to secure our country is showing. You really need to read what the other side is proposing before you spew.
Here is their plan
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
Are “Realist” and “Realist (Man of Science)” the same person?
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
None of that was aimed at rarringt, the more he writes, the more i think he may be more like us than unlike us. I think. :)
And rarringt, I to apologize for my antics in here my first day or so. I thought it was just a bunch of whackos in here and I shamedly joined in. Im actually learning alot reading yours and others ideas. Its been really good for me. Thank you.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
Getalife @ 10:07, good answer, but it does not answer the question. Please enlighten all of us: what, specifically, is the Democrat war on terrorism?
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
No, its someone having a little fun, like a child is prone to do.
mimicry is the best form of flattery.
By Norman
August 11, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
It now appears that the mass firing of the Cobb Police recruits was just an attempt to cover the collective rears of the training officers and leadership involved. Trainers were not proctoring the exams, discussed questions during the exam, and encouraged the recruits to work together by not allowing anyone to fail. Had the rules been clearly drawn I am sure that those recuits would have met the requirements. Didn’t a trainging officer up that way shoot a trainee not that long ago when instructing hand gun use? Cobb county needed to clean house, they just cleaned the wrong house.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
Actually, Redneck @ 10:07, I want to read your thoughts, not your links. Please dazzle us.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Now , here is the GOP plan
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Well Realist, we already know what you stumpbroke whiner/hater GOPers think.
By the way, good morning, coward.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
My apologies, Realist. I wrongly blamed you for going after rarringt. I enjoy your arguments also.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
Google it fake baiter.
By Fedupwidit
August 11, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Jim, your blog is going the way of the Luckovitch blog. The same old tired lame neo-idiots take over and in about a month they’ll be all that’s left here. It becomes anothe Bush brokeback mountain lovefest.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Good answer, Getalife @ 10:14. In fact, that is the answer all Leftists will have to give. There is none.
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Troll Interrupted, Much?
The same two. Day after day. All day. Whats wrong with THAT picture, eh?
What we have here is a total lack of respect for the blog.
And I think it’s a damn shame.
By deegee
August 11, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
The majority in Tennessee’s 9th district will likely get their choice in November as Harold Ford’s brother is running as an independant and is favored to beat the democrat and the republican. Fifty seven percent of the runoff vote was split between the 12 black democratic candidates and that is why the 30 percent that voted white elected the white democrat. Good strategy from the Ford family that has a long history in Tennessee politics.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Getalife, our friend rarringt - not particularly a conservative, I think he describes himself as a moderate - proposed an interesting three-part proposal yesterday. Most of that proposal was consistent with things conservatives could accept. How did you feel about it?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
Here is one fake and I big one.
Accountabilty for the people who put our troops in Iraq to do this:
If the U.S. soldiers raped and murdered a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, and killed her parents and sister, as alleged, they deserve death.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
I am surprised that you repubs aren’t encouraging Realist to go to Iraq. He would be such an inspiration to our troops and his community…
I can see it now - Colonel Beauregard T. Realist, decides to inspire his batallion into battle with insurgents in Fallujah. Astride his trusty steed Lightning, his aide de camp Major J BM (Butt Mustard) Law approaches him with his orders to advance. As the hot desert sun glares, the Major notices that the Colonel is whimpering, and his pants are wet. ” I wanna go home, JB…” he whines.
Muhammad and Ali observe the proceedings from a nearby rooftop - “look at that a-hole, Ali”, not noticing that Ali has already pulled his trigger…
By getalife
August 11, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
This upcoming election is about government oversight.
If you care about your country like you say you do, you would want a Dem majority to hold them accountable.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Please, Redneck @ 10:22, don’t leave us hanging - finish the fantasy. We must know how you think.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
Getalife, I am not baiting you. I believe you are one of the thoughtful ones, but you must do your part. I understand, and accept as inevitable and unalterable, the Republican war on terror. As yet I have not heard what any Democrat proposes as an alternative. If you could wave your magic wand, what specifically would you have your party proffer to address international terrorism?
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Wow is all I can say. An obviously educated mind ; wasted on silly non-sensical drivel day after day after day. So very sad.
By Brian Curtis
August 11, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
JBMLaw, you’ve already been given the answer. You may not like it, but it’s disengenuous to keep pretending there’s “no plan for fighting terrorism” on the Democratic side… it’s just not a plan that satisfies the neocon/Neanderthal urge for simple answers and lots of boom-booms.
As for the Patriot Act: You’re right, it’s entirely unreasonable to expect the government to improve national security while still respecting the Constitution. The ONLY way to fight terrorism abroad is with soldiers, and the ONLY way to fight it at home is to destroy our liberties. Yessir, that’s the sort of bumper-sticker thinking that got us where we are today—screwed.
Because after all… if the Bushies can’t do it right, it must be totally impossible. There are NO alternatives, and NO other way to approach the problem. That’s what you have to believe to stay in the (shrinking) fringe minority who still support this nutty agenda.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Then on the other hand you have getalife, an obviously UNeducated mind, understandably quacking like a programmed duck, his neon “ignorant” sign shining like a beacon for all to see, cutting and pasting, cutting and pasting. So very sad.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
Brian, What liberties of your personally have been destroyed under the Bush admin?
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Dear Brian @ 10:36, I am slow on the uptake; I simply do not recall being given the Democrat answer. What specifically is the Democrat war on terrorism, or alternatively, what would you have that war be?
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Brian
As for the Patriot Act: You’re right, it’s entirely unreasonable to expect the government to improve national security while still respecting the Constitution. The ONLY way to fight terrorism abroad is with soldiers, and the ONLY way to fight it at home is to destroy our liberties. Yessir, that’s the sort of bumper-sticker thinking that got us where we are today—screwed.
My liberties are not being infringed on because I am not a criminal or a terrorist. The constitution has been changed many times to adjust to current situation. For one the Federal Income Tax. I didn’t hear the Democrats outcry during the mid-90’s when the Clinton Administration was trying to force computer manufactures to place devices that could monitor activity. Thanks to Bob Barr, that was squashed rather quickly. The basic fundamental rights of American citizens are “Life, Liberty and Justice” with life being number one. Let’s give our government the tools it needs to be effective.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Brian, did I correctly “spew” the Democrat war plan, in jest, at 9:50? Is it merely cut and run and hope?
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Where’s TFTT this morning? We need to get some arguments started
ISA HERE NOW BOSS!!
Yesterday I righteously verbally bitchslapped (some of) the quite vile, extremely obtuse Congressional black caucus on a purely ideological (non racist of course) basis. I smugly note that as of now no one has disgreed with my actual analysis, as it was clearly flawless.
Now its the turn of vile white liberals. Last night I witnessed two of these treasonous, odious numbskulls on my plasma TV. One a greasy slippery slimy congresswoman from NY who would not actually be tied down to any actual statement that implied that liberals were soft on terror, nor would she allow any changes to legislation to improve police investigative powers etc. This woman sidestepped several awkward questions but was nothing like as dim as the moron from Maryland was.
The funniest and most chilling performance (as in trained liberal seal who needs lots of non dolphin friendly nets caught fish throwing to it) was from an ACLU nazi like attorney. BTW I actually like dolphins redneck vermin so that was a joke, indeed even brain damaged dolphins have been proven to be way smarter than YOU. But anyway this performing Bush hating liberal moonie let the whole nation see his gutless unthinking zombie like approach to law enforcement.
When asked if left wing scum like himself would accept the introduction of a ‘reasonable suspicion’ standard to spark police investigations the liberal nearly had a fatal coronary - and spluttered that this would makes the US a police state and that only ‘probable cause’, as is the case now must, over his dead body [if only] blah blah blah remain. When it was pointed out the British plod have reasonable suspicion and the UK clearly has all the same kind of freedoms we have here and is not a police state the liberal went beserk - for a tv studio anyway!
Basically the liberal stridently resisted the notion that terrorists should be subject to any more intrusive police action than they are now, despite the fact that this makes it much easier for them to plot and plan here. It was pointed out several times that the UK plod rolled up these murderous mostly paki scum, with reasonable suspicion standards in place and the VITAL help of NSA surveillance which this liberal moron railed against but didn’t quite deny.
If nothing else a grateful nation saw O’Reilly wipe the floor with another liberal loser and saw just how myopic, cavalier and cowardly far left liberals are when it comes to everyone else’s lives - their lives, being polite here - are of much less consequence when they behave like this.
Hope that was fact packed and direct enough for ya Mark!!
By T.Jefferson
August 11, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Give the next administration the tools. This one can’t be trusted.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
The un-electable do not need a plan. They need a candidate that wont get laughed off the podium, then they can devise a plan.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
To be fair - most democrats are calling for an all out cut and run. The way I see it, we have one of two options, and just throw a bone, you can call them Democratic plans for the war on terror.
Option 1: (least preferred) Is to take our hands off of the bike seat and let the Iraqi “military and police” take control of their security. As long as they think daddy is holding on to the seat, they have no reason, nor desire, to help steer their country in the direction they want it to. The problem is, they are too scared and often put their country behind their religion.
So Option 2: (most preferred) Is to make the comittment we should have made in the first place and send a significant number of forces their to hunt down and destroy the insurgency! At the same time, we are securing cities and establishing “competent” law enforcement in those regions, back by military support. This will prevent the psycho hajis from hiding in the dark corners until we leave. Daddy Bush had the right idea when he sent half a million troops over in the early 90s, he just didn’t have the balls to stick around and eliminate the problem in Iraq.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
T Jefferson @10.52, please elaborate. What specifically should be be doing to stop international terrorism?
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
I can support Voice of Reason’s second plan. Would the Democrats? Would Ned Lamont, or the Nutmegs generally?
By T.Jefferson
August 11, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
In reality realist, all the dems have to do is sit back and do nothing. Just watch Bush and company continue to destroy the republican party from within. They will die of their own inertia. In 2008 the McCain crowd will take over and restore the party to it’s once proud state. But it’s way to late for the 06 elections. You cons are done.
By sct
August 11, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
Stewart, how does Bob Barr feel about the Patriot Act?
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
I meant AREN’T calling for an all out cut and run ..
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
And Voice, maybe of greater interest to me is your belief: if the Republicans embraced your second plan - that is not beyond imagination - and the Democrats reject it, do you stand behind your beliefs or your party?
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
T Jefferson, how do you feel about Voice’s second plan?
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
… the Colonel fell from his horse, and lie on the ground - now sobbing uncontrollably, his thumb in his mouth. Corpsmen and enlisted men surrounded him, protecting him - “Where are you hit? Where are you hit?” they screamed. “Oh, man, he crapped himself” said one of the enlisted men.
Meanwhile, Major Law had burrowed himself in the nearby sand, a corpsman pulled him out of his hole. He too was crying, and covered in urine. “Are you hit sir?” asked the medic. “I wanna go back - I’m an aide, I’m supposed to be at headquarters”, whimpered the Major. “Stay down, sir” said the medic, “we’ll get you out of here”.
“Damn, Ali - you missed!” , whispered Muhammad. Ali, who had already packed up his rifle, shrugged his shoulders - “it must be the will of Allah that the clown on the horse lives”.
“Oh well, we will fight another day then, if not tomorrow, then the next day, the next year, the next ten years - we are patient”. Ali placed the rifle in a little nook on the roof, and joined Muhammad on the stairs to the street below.
A week later, Colonel Beauregard T. Realist and Major Law met at an army hospital in Germany. Given their fits of uncontrollable whining, both were being treated for PTSD, and the Colonel was also suffering from diaper rash.
When they saw each other, they both broke down in tears, and the Major admired the Colonel’s Purple Heart, which he had received for the diaper rash.
Even in Germany, far away from the conflict, both men were sleeping under their beds. Of course, the Army declared them unfit for duty.
They flew home together, Colonel Realist to a hero’s welcome in his Atlanta-area megachurch, proudly wearing his Purple Heart everywhere he went, and subsequently became a Congressman from his native Aladamnbama. The Major returned to his favorite pastime, blogging for Bush.
And in Iraq, blood still flowed.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
I have a question for you guys? There seems to be growing evidence that Iran is stoking the fire Iraq and Lebanon. Do think an option where hand over control in Iraq to the Iraqi military. Then go with overwhelming force after Iran. Hopefully we can get Israel and NATO to join with us and just totally annihilate them. Of course there is very large wild card on the Korean Peninsula as well as how China and Russia would react to this.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
Voice of Reason, I dont disagree with what senior should have done in the first invasion, because he did have a REAL military at his command, unlike the downsized cut back version Clinton left us with. Lets put blame where it belongs.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw - Party means nothing to me. My concerns are for my family and my country - pretty much in that order. I side with whoever makes the most sense and shares my thoughts on particular issues. Most times it’s neither!
I was just throwing a bone for the Democrats here, because they are too busy focusing on the problem - not the solution.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
SCT, I am not sure how Barr feels about the Patriot Act. I am no longer in GA and he is kind of off the map. MY inclination is that he is against it. That was his number one issue back in the 90’s. But I think there reasonable and unreasonable folks on both sides of the aisle. I think there is more justification for the Patriot Act than for what Clinton desired to do in the 90’s.
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
T Jefferson @10.52, please elaborate. What specifically should be be doing to stop international terrorism?
If I may jump in here jbmlaw, fight it the old fashioned way. In the shadows. Use the right techniques, expend the available resources in the right way. Does anyone here think that it wasn’t being fought before W? It goes way back folks. And many many many plots were effectively foiled but kept low key as it should be. That plan of attack doesn’t make things worse. To get pissed about it you have to already be in the terrorist camp to even know. The present administration has set alot of effective anti-terrorist activity back a decade or more. They have made it worse people. The way they are fighting it insures that it will be with us forever. Really dumb. Of course that could be what they want. Fits the neo-con worldview.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Realist - Today’s military is as efficient and effective as it was under Bush I. Rumsfeld, was half right, because technology has improved our capabilities and limited the need for feet on the ground. Clinton just cut the fat and brought the military down to fighting weight.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
redneck vermin
your poor writing ability is very amusing … it should be “lay” on the ground.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
Stew, There is talk that actual Iranian military are aiding and fighting along side Hezbollah. I so hope this is true and this escalates, and they give us no choice but to start dropping bombs.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
RetiredLTC has some legitimate points regarding fighting it in the shadows. However I think times have changed since 911. A defensive/police type stance was somewhat successful in at least containing the problem. However with Iran trying to pursue a nuclear weapon, All bets are off! The Islamic Fascists are enboldened because they think the American will is weak. Also the Clinton Administration went along way with to diminish our special forces and inteligence communities. I do find it ironic that now the new DNC strategy is to double special ops.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
…Lightning, unhurt, was slaughtered and barbecued by Colonel’s Realist’s batallion - the Rumsfeld military budget had reduced their rations to mostly MREs, so the soldiers partook of their first hot meal in months, telling stories around the fire about their Colonel and the Major, and laughing like hell.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
*And many many many plots were effectively foiled but kept low key as it should be. *
Hey RetiredLTC, dont look now, but libs and dems arent big on this way of handling government. Things that are kept low-key mean a conspiracy is being cooked up against the fine citizenry.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Voice of reason. Option 2 stinks…because it is the best option. If Gore had won and the war was prosecuted the exact same way neo-cons would be screaming “incompetence” from the rooftops.
But Bush gets a free pass, because he’ll make damn sure no homosexual ever marries a stem cell…
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 11, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Voice of reason: Option 2 stinks…because it is the best option. If Gore had won and the war was prosecuted the exact same way neo-cons would be screaming “incompetence” from the rooftops.
But Bush gets a free pass, because he’ll make damn sure no homosexual ever marries a stem cell…
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Realists - Again, the Clinton administration did not harm our special ops. They actually helped make improvements in the special ops community. Historically, special ops were used to gather intelligence, and to be the first set of eyes on objectives. Intelligence (albeit not perfect) has diminished the necessity to have those feet on the ground. The restructuring of the community has made it MORE effective.
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Stewart the Shadow war was not defensive. It was very very aggressively fought. And actually Stewart the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Clinton, Hugh Shelton, was a spec ops legend and spec ops was being emphasized during that period. Shelton was chosen for just that purpose.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
voiceofreason @ 11:09
Armoured humvee, kevlar vests, night vision optics, etc is not cutting “fat” in my humble opinion.
By For The Common Good
August 11, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
I sent an e-mail to the Clayton County vent acknowledging their intelligence in the defeat of Lee Scott. That man had treacherous intentions for the people of our county and we spotted it. His website claimed his desire to promote unity. BS!!!
Thanks to the AJC for exposing his intentions in their endorsement of metro-area candidates.
Victor Hill is next. We don’t need the division down here, we need votes in the interest of common good for “all.” We’re on our way. Wish us luck.
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
The thing that probably irks me most about the whole Hezbollah/Iran relationship is that while everybody informally acknowledges that Hezbollah is a tool of Iran, there is no formal recognition internationally. Like I said a few weeks ago we, or another ally, should push resolutions through NATO and the UN that declare any attack by Hezbollah will be viewed as an attack by Iran. It would draw the proverbial line in the sand and would be a major step in marginalzing Hezbollah. Also, it would mitigate any controversy should Hezbollah attack Israel again and they respond by attacking Iran.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
Not surprised that a committed civilian like Realist doesn’t know the difference between regular Army and special ops.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
Realists - Sorry dude, but everyone I knew had a kevlar vest, and every unit that conducted night ops had night vision. YOu may have a point about the armoured humvees, but they didn’t have armour BEFORE Clinton. Sandbags on the floor had always been enough.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
RetiredLTC,
I know of Shelton very well. I grew up in NC. He was a fine man. You are right that there were some spec ops used during this time. However they were strained tremendously by the Clinton Premise that our inteligence gatherers were not permitted to develop relationships with so-called “bad guys”. I love Shelton because he exposed Wesley Clark for what he was. A political hack.
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Liberal, you are falling into the same trap that has us presently ensnared.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Sounds about right to me voiceftreason. I was just spewing what the dems were crying about how Bush sent troops into harms way without the proper equipment. Sounds like you have some personal experience there. Glad you could clear up that liberal propagandi for us…. thank you.
By John
August 11, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
There is a reason a high class building like 191 Peachtree is almost empty…nobody wants to fend off the agressive beggers all day. American Cancer Society probably got the space for free so the building does not look totally empty…the recent Chief Financial Officer of the ACS was a long time Cousins CFO.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 11, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
The number one thing that Clayton County needs is school board members that are willing to invoke the word “discipline” without wetting their pants. Several ex board members couldn’t even bring themselves to use the word, and thus the voters spoke clearly and decisively.
To put it succinctly, so even a Bush can understand: It’s the discipline, Stupid!
By Brian Curtis
August 11, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
VoR: I thought you wanted to talk about ways to fight the war on terrorism… but all you talked about was options for Iraq.
Make up your mind. We can fight terrorism, or we can keep soldiers wandering around Iraq. Which issue do you want to discuss?
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Liberal,
I think you are correct. But I don’t see the UN ever having the balls to hold Iran accountable. As far as NATO. I’m not sure? What role does France have in that orgaination?
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Don’t fall for the propaganda Stewart. Forming relationships with the bad guys never stopped. Never will. But that is another advantage of fighting this war in the shadows. And you also have to be careful of your sources. Do you think the rogues that provided the intel in the runup to Iraq were fine upstanding citizens?
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Furthermore Stewart it was the Bush administration that deep sixed Shelton’s philosophy in favor of more conventional types that would go along with their worldview. That the way to to fight the war on terror is to conventionally attack nation states. And we all see how well that is working out.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Good point RetiredLTC.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Realist - I do have a little experience there. I was mainly in Afghanistan and only took the ride to Baghdad.
The equipment situation is funny to me, because both sides argue about it, and both sides are wrong. The military is equipped, they just are equipped as well as they should be. The majority of our vehicles and PPE (personal protective equipment) dates back to vietnam. The stuff that our guys should have exists, but companies always try to a**rape the federal govt when it comes to purchasing. Which in itself is ironic, because with all the money being spent, it’s a drop in the bucket to provide superior gear to 130,000.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
RetiredLTC,
I tend to agree with that worldview. These terrorists groups cannot function without the assistance of nation-states. Whether they support them openly like Iran or covertly like Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Pakistan.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
Retired LTC, great and informative posts, thanks. Your perspective on a few areas (and I understand these may be matters you cannot talk about for security reasons, or for ethical reasons prefer to not speak - no follow up by me if you cite either):
(1) Did Bush do anything between Jan 20 2001 and Sept 11 2001 to interrupt, disrupt, or terminate the shadow programs?
(2) Did the Gorelick (Clinton era) restriction on intelligence sharing among agencies affect the capacity of those conducting the shadow programs? Efficacy? Alternatively, would you describe those restrictions as “helpful” to the special ops efforts, or benign?
(3) Were the shadow programs sufficient to prevent 9/11, or would we have needed more? If the latter, in your estimation, what?
Thanks for your service.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Brian Curtis - We can discuss any issue you think you can wrap your brain around. I figured I give my options for Iraq because that’s why your panties are twisted - Iraq.
But before you go on about Osama - I agree, more emphasis needs to be placed on catching and/or killing him. The problem is, we took our eye off the ball and it’s too late to turn around now.
My personal on the war on terror is to shut the borders down. Scrutinize anybody trying to come into the country and stopped hiring half-a*sed people who take no pride in what they do. We would never be attacked by terrorist if we had our thumb on every dipsit who came into our country.
Anything else you want to talk about smart guy.
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
It not even noon yet, and Getalife, Jbmlaw, and Realist have accounted for HALF the 100+ comments on this blog.
Such a cornucopia of sweet pearls of insight and discourse belong in the national gallery of debate prodigies. (Hopefully wax figurines)
Myspace.com called. They want their think tank back.
By Bel
August 11, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Wars don’t end terrorism. Intelligence agencies and their hard-working employees do. The FBI, the CIA, Interpol and other agencies are the only ones who can root out these people. Wars only serve as a training ground for terrorists and their wannabes… When will the warmongers figure this out?
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
It won’t necessarily ensnare us. However it would in cast the spotlight on Iran and put them solely in the role as agressor. Also, in regards to France and their potential opposition inside NATO, they can do what they want, but if you try to pass a resolution that encourages stability and they end up opposing it, then they would look foolish.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Retired LTC, one more, how do your feel about the Watergate era restrictions prohibiting CIA from contracting with bad guys? That always struck me as one of the dumbest laws our Congress ever blessed us with.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Liberal, I think we may also get some opposition inside NATO from Turkey. But I think you make a good point. The Bush Administration should attempt this tactic and see where it goes. It will be interesting what happens on August 22.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Liberal, how do you feel about Retired LTC’s advocacy of shadow operations? What if revelation of such actions undermine political initiatives?
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Nations like Saudi Arabia, Stewart? Want to attack those guys? They fit the profile. Anyway I will leave you with an analogy that expresses my take on the thing.
You live in a neighborhood between 2 fueding neighbors. You are pretty much neutral regarding that feud. But one of the neighbors never even says hello to you, but occassionally you speak with the other neighbor. One day you actually go over to the friendly neighbors house for a barbecue. This doesn’t set well with your unfriendly neighbor who sees it in a light that you are siding with the other. That night you hear a noise outside and the offended party is throwing paint at your garage door. Now are you neutral? Or have you become someones enemy?
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Once upon a time, very long ago there was a hunchbacked anal wart encrusted orphaned mutant nick named by city social workers redneck vermin. Indeed redneck vermin was tragically orphaned because its selfless, sensible parents immediately after it was born in the emergency isolation unit jumped off the tenth floor of the hospital’s experimental zoological dept in a panic ridden, guilt filled suicide pact.
As redneck’s grew up in a secret fetid tin hovel in the seedy, sleazy homosexual cruising part of Central Park NYC it was exposed to all kinds of corrupt, abusive and heartless left wing propaganda about southerners and nuclear families. Indeed one family of kind well educated southerners from Alabama legally adopted rednecks for almost half an hour, but the stench was so overpowering and redneck’s exotic diet of DDT covered COCKroaches, Kennedy maggots and live Kerry voting sewer rats was just too much for these kind folks from Birmingham.
Ever since this fateful day of rejection redneck vermin has loathed southerners with a burning fire of bilious hatred worthy of the most unhinged deranged psychotic senate Bush hater. So redneck went to skool in NYC and ploted his revenge, sullenly arranging for several discarded badly infected rentboys from Bwarney Fwank’s district to take his exams for him - but only if he was extra nice to them.
Eventually, after several very long nights of unspeakable depravity redneck’s got his GED, His certificate of cheatin’ the school system was sent to him by Fed EX as the principal never got over the annual bomb threats on Confederate Memorial Day.
Now redneck’s was ready to get himself a steady labouring job cleaning toilets with his lizard like tongue at the Coke factory in Atlanta. So with his only real friend in the whole world, a one eyed two legged rabid female possum (rednecks was awful hungry that winter) called mammy redneck vermon hitched a ride in the back of a garbage truck going south to the land redneck knew he was destined to infest for life …
to be continued …
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Correction of my 11:45, “what if revelation of such actions undermine DIPLOMATIC initiatives?”
By Realist
August 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Liberal, Thats was my sentiment earlier. Stay on the course. Iran will villanize themselves to the point of making it a no brainer, even for France. They will force our hand. The question is do you support coordinated strikes and/or ground forces when that time comes?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
Bel,
It is very obvious but they still try to blame Iraq for 9/11 and the blind sheep say here here.
I give my remaining time to the distinguished gentlemen from the great state of Georgia “Blog Dawg”.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Nations like Saudi Arabia, Stewart? Want to attack those guys? They fit the profile. Anyway I will leave you with an analogy that expresses my take on the thing.
RetiredLTC, I never said that we should attack Saudi Arabia. However, I think the Bush admin’s attempt to encourage democracy in the region could prompt change there in the future. I do not know if it is possible. However, my experience is that the average person in the middle east (not the extremists) desires to be free. As far as your analogy. You are presuming moral equivalence among your neighbors. I.E. Israel and Islamic Fascists.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Realists,
I think we are seeing the results of pure air power in Lebanon right now. The bad guys in Iran will be underground for the most part and collateral damage will be huge. I think we will need to use the Powell Doctrine. Which is what we should have done in Iraq to begin with.
By Van
August 11, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
getalife,
I do wish you would listen - Iraq did not participate in 9/11, they gave material support and/or provided training bases for the attackers and/or their sponsors.
They did help.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
here ! here ! Stewart
cut it off, then kill it
By getalife
August 11, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Van,
Link please.
Once again, I yield the floor to my esteemed colleague from Georgia, “Blog Dawg”.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
Stew, You are correct regarding Israel. It seems to me more like a showing or punishment for Lebanon. ie. This is what being associated with Hezbollah will get you. I think Israel has to keep hammering that message home until they make thier point.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
the point about Iran is that they will push and push unremttingly until they have what they want or are seriously confronted militarily. Using their oil/buying power as a chip with the remnants of the USSR and of course Red China. The idea that any single country or alliance of countries using either merely sanctions/diplomacy will ever stop them on their quest for regional dominance, without a change of leadership there, is laughable.
Hence the Iranian rhetoric and perrty overt pusiuit of nuclear weapions and militray build up continues. Informed in good part by their crazed religious dogma which seeks a backward repressive mohammedan society , which liberals and sadly Bush too are amusingly too politically correct to robustly critique.
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
LTC is correct in terms of shadow diplomacy. We were friends with Saddam when he was fighting against Iran and we knew that Saddam was a bad guy. Truth be told, Saddam was more of a stablizing force in the Middle East than we think, despite his support of suicide bombers in the West Bank. Right now, we have a situation in Iraq with sectarian violence spiraling out of control.
And to answer Realist’s question, yes I would support military action against Iran if such a resolution was passed. If Hezbollah attacked again, then in effect, it would be one sovereign nation, Iran, attacking another, Israel. Additionally, such a resolution would be recognized internationally and would explicitly identify the aggressors in the situation.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Van - Using your logic, we (United States) are just as responsible because a couple of em learned to fly in Florida, or wherever it was.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Is laughable is correct.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Getalife http://husseinandterror.com/
Doesn’t link with Al-Quada. But plenty of evidnce linking him to other groups.
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
You know, it used to be that Luckovich’s blog would get hundreds of comments a day, and Wooten’s only 20 or 30. Now, that has reversed.
Obviously the same stuntwits that used to post all day long over there have jumped over here.
If Ann Coulter recycled her douchebags, it would look and sound just like Realist/Jbmlaws blogging, (that’s for sure, that’s for DANG sure)
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
just for you getalife.
[http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp]
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason,
Your premise on Van does not hold water. So you think that someone that encourages a terrorist to kill with the use of a car (see Raleigh NC) is equally responsible to the driving instructor?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
My goodness,
That was pathetic, I rest my case.
Paging “Blog Dawg”, you have the floor sir.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
yes I would support military action against Iran if such a resolution was passed.
Liberal …
waiting for such a resolution is foolish and it would likely never be forthcoming. If it ever comes to that it will be very similar to expecting such a resolution to “allow” an attack on say nazi germany.
waiting for Irans’s anti-American enablers to allow any attack would be suicidal - if they have got the bomb or have invaded somewhere, or what ever the scenario is.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Your disdain is noted, more than once. Do you have anything else to offer?
The name of the blog is THINKING RIGHT. Who did you expect to find in here? Maybe someone of your intellect would be better served at a JAWGA BULLDAWG BLAWG- A WOOF WOOF WOOF DAYUM RITE IM AH BULLDAWG
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
Blog Dawg, we have a pretty good discussion going on. Please, jump in. What do you believe the Dems should proffer as their terrorism policy?
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
No Stewart, just saying that when your house and just been bombed from that day forward whoever bombed your house has more than likely become your enemy. And Stewart, I threw out Saudi Arabia because they are without question the leading financiers of terrorism in the world today. Bar none. I don’t agree with attacking nations as a means to fight the war on terror. It makes it worse, as history WILL prove. Friends become enemies very quickly when his house just got burned and his family killed. Ever tried democratizing someone that hates your guts?
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
LTC,
I haven’t been able to follow the posts closely this morning, but I finally read your 11:07 post. Using intelligence, infiltration, and espionage has been a classic way of fighting terrorist organizations. And I believe that it’s still very effective. Terrorist organizations are not conventional armies and therefore cannot be fought with a conventional military. Increased intelligence, etc is the most effective way. A lot of European countries, including Israel, have very advanced intelligence apparatuses due to their long histroy with terrorism—i.e. Red Brigades, Baader-Meinhoff, ETA, etc. Hell, the FBI used those same tactics when it dismantled the KKK in the 1960s.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Actually Stewart, I was commenting on his 11:59, and after looking at it again, he mentions nothing about paying suicide bombers. He said, “they gave material support and/or provided training bases for the attackers and/or their sponsors.”
By getalife
August 11, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Here, here Blog Dawg.
Sick em.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
I just dont think sitting back and saying, OK, one more time, and we are going to get really really angry. Enough has been done already to warrant aggression. No more resolutions. No more UN peace treaties. The war has already begun. The theater of war is the entire middle east, if not the entire globe. The powell doctrine is already essentially in effect. Cut them off wherever they run, kill them, and then exit. We cant exit until the enemy has been destroyed.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
RetiredLTC,
More than 60% of the Iraqi people voted in their election. So obviously they want to be free. E
ver tried democratizing someone that hates your guts? Commenting is open from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. M-F Post a comment hmmmm, can you say Japan and Germany?
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
I would stil keep a lot of pressure on Iran in regards to WMD/nukes. Also, if we ramped up our intelligence efforts, I think that we could prevent a major attack launced by Iran. What the resolution would do is to contain, marginalize, and isolate Hezbollah, as well as Iran in part. It also puts Hezbollah in the spotlight and expose them as a hand of Iran.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Realist, but part of the problem with that is you can’t kill ideas. The best you can do is severly damage what exists and put measures in place to TRY and control it’s spread.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason,
Saddham has been linked to the 1993 WTC bombing. I think some of us have been too focused on the 911 findings and the lack of WMD’s. He was still a threat in my opinion.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Liberal, You cant apply tactics used 20 years ago to the situation today. Clearly terrorist orgainzations are better funded and organized than ever before. Thus, they are able to influence governments to a much greater degree than ever before. And at the end of the day, its about nuclear proliferation, period. We cant fight this war with only special ops. We have to fight it where they are, keeping them on the run, never allowing them or thier money to rest for very long. They are smarter and better equipped than the KKK and Red Brigades, and have a much larger vision, WORLD DOMINATION. Add in the fact that they dont mind dying to reach thier goal, and you find you are fighting a unique animal unlike anything anyone has ever faced.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Liberal
There is already a resolution on Hizbollocks and its worthless until the Lebanese enforce it - or the seriously UN push to enforce it. This wont happen, not after the IDF have deservedly trashed much of the shiite area of S Lebanon. The Lebanese, with their pro Syrian leader, and seriously pushed by Hizbollocks who are in the govt now, would see that as giving in to the west/Israel.
Intelligence efforts in Iran are very difficult, even the usually enterprising Israelis are finding it hard.
Sure marginalise etc the terrorists, but words mean very little and they’d just laugh as they did already whilst recently loading up their 15,000 or so “illegal” missiles under the noses of the UN force already there.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Eugene Robinson says it better than I do.
“We are at war with an ideology, and pounding it frontally just disperses it. It’s like trying to smash mercury with a hammer.” Washington Post
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Stewart - Saddam’s link to the first WTC bombing is news to me. I’ll have to research that, but I thought it was the Qaeda.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Stewart, I did some quick research and all this says is that Saddam paid the guys rent. FAR from helping plan and carry out the bombing. But I don’t think either side wants to get into the whole guilt by association thing - especially conservatives.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason..you are correct..That is where many have drawn a link to Saddham and Al-Quaeda. Your Eugene Robinson quote is quite right, although I do not see myself agreeing with the Washington Post very often. But just because it is difficult, doesn’t mean we should not oppose it with all of our might.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
VOR, The reason its news to you is because they are still sifting throught the millions of documents found, and running into obstacles trying to release much of the information. Do you really think the liberal press wants to print findings that support Bush even in the least? Not hardly. Read my link I posted earlier.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Voice ..
its real easy to be abstract and civilised about this, but the botom line is you bahve to treat them at least as harshly they (will) treat you. These liberal sentiments of yours are fine if ‘military’ Marquis of Queensbury rules are in play. The history, idieology and actions of Iran and Hizbollocks are of a despotic fanatical bunch of killers who will literally stop at nothing to impose their will on whom ever. Including Israel and the west.
Appeasing them, or talling them, they’re being naughty and must stop is utterly futile and dangerous. The Israelis have painfully learned this very harsh lesson well. So must we.
Reagan’s second big mistake - along with his mexican amnesty was to not completely destroy Hizbollocks in Lebanon after the unprovoked attacks on the Marines.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Voice of Reason,
I think they are still looking into the situation. However it’s still support. I don’t think Saddham planned and trained the palestinians in the West Bank either. But he encouraged it with financial support.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
The biggest problem that I have with the Bush Administration is his lack of communication to the people on what information they have recovered in Iraq. In his defense, I thnink he is concerned about certain information getting into the wrong hands. One thin that many don’t realize that by releasing certain information to the public is that it can tip off to our advesaries the methods and assets that we have in place.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Realist - The dateline on that article is 2003. I sure as heck hope it doesn’t take 3+ years to release the info. I don’t buy the whole liberal media thing because defenselink would have plastered it and we would have to miss out on So You Think You Can Dance because Bush and Tony would be on primetime TV grinning ear to ear.
Stewart - That’s a dotted line at best. That’s almost like giving credence to the lines that people draw to Bush and Osama and the Saudi Royal Family.
TFRTT - I was stuck in the Iraq/Saddam conversation, and I haven’t voiced an opinion on Hizbollah or Iran. But since you brought it up, I’ve thought for a long time that Israel should just get on line and march east. I think they could at least make it to western Iraq before they needed help. Also, most people KNEW and know Iran is the major problem in the Middle East, which is part of the frustration with going to Iraq.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Okay Stewart, I can somewhat buy that. But who do you think gave more, Iraq or Iran? It’s just funny to me that we’ve supported both Saddam and Osama in the past, but all of a sudden anybody giving financial support to the bad guys is .. well a bad guy.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
allright guys i have to bug out for a bit to grab a bite
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Voice - fair enough, I didn’t read all the way back … I absolutely agree, Israel should march east to the Tigris at least … and take Susan with them, she’d enjoy watching the Israeli/US weaponry do its stuff and earn its keep!!
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
This latest terror alert sure comes awful close to the primary disaster for Republicans. Tony Blair and Bush got their heads together last month and decided that if Americans no longer drank the koolaid, then maybe they’ll believe the liquid koolaid is explosive enough to bring down a plane as well. First it was ten planes, now it’s five. This cell was infiltrated months ago, and we are to believe Al Queda is so simple they would allow this debacle? If anything, Al Queda used these Brits as patsys to cover a more insidious plot. I only know this much: Bush’s cronies handling our security will not be able to stop a real threat. A real threat is: men stepping on a plane, just as easy as you please. We know what a real threat looks like: it looks like nothing at all. But after the fact, you can abridge constitutional freedoms and then the terrorists win.
The Islamists are playing Bush like a violin. I couldn’t imagine a more succesful plot than getting both the USA and Israel locked on the ground in combat with the jihad.
Funny thing how we arent’ killing the bad guys, just the bystanders. But feel better, realist/jbmlaw, and sleep well tonight, the alert levels sound the knell of those who are sleeping, sleeping, sleeping at the switch as our ship of state runs aground on the reef of madness and tyranny…. (Yeats, “Captain Trips”).
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
RetiredLTC, I met a lot of your compatriots during the 17 years (1979-1996) I worked in the defense industry, and I appreciate your expertise here. Of course, those were the good ol’ days of the Cold War, when huge armies and expensive weapon systems made at least some sense, since there conceivably could have been a big land war in Europe or Asia.
Of course, the debacle of Vietnam was a lesson to some - sounds like you are one of them - but obviously not to others. The insurgent, guerilla strategy - asymmetrical war - is like Judo and other oriental martial arts - you use the strengths and momentum of your enemy against him. The Boers used a few hundred men at the turn of the last century to run the British empire ragged, the IRA did the same thing for about 100 years, the Zionists started Israel with the same strategy (and have had it turned against them); the Algerians ran off the French the same way - death by a thousand, or a million, cuts. Now in Iraq, a few thousand patient crazies have an Army of 100,000+ bogged down and spending billions…
This so-called war will not be won with any weapon systems, short of nuclear annihilation. The redneck amongst us doesn’t see that - like LBJ, s/he fights on for an honor s/he lost when his/her enemy goaded him/her into his/her stupid reaction. Cowboy Dumbya and Rummy thought we could “Shock and Awe” the Iraqis into submission - so far, it seems, the insurgents remain unimpressed.
An analogy here - terrorists are like termites - uh oh - better get it fixed. Of course, the redneck will tear the whole roof and the house down trying to get the termites…
I can hear the rednecks coming out the woodwork already - rednecks in the defense industry? - yup. If I tell you any more, I’d have to kill you…
I imagine the CIA has little use for idiots like Cowboy George and Rummy and treasonous bashturds like Rove and Cheney.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
regarding the Iraqi documents:
The main worry, says DiRita, is that the mainstream press might cherry-pick documents and mischaracterize their meaning. “There is always the concern that people would be chasing a lot of information good or bad, and when the Times or the Post splashes a headline about some sensational-sounding document that would seem to ‘prove’ that sanctions were working, or that Saddam was just a misunderstood patriot, or some other nonsense, we’d spend a lot of time chasing around after it.”
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this
Yes, 60% of Iraqi’s voted Stewart. But what’s your point. Instead of working to perpetuate democracy the Sunnis and Shiites are killing the hell out of each other and the populace in general is scared to leave their houses. Oh well. History will prove who’s right and who’s wrong. But I will leave you with a parting thought. Will all of these “democracies” that we are trying to create look like Japans? Ours? Venezuela? Or something we haven’t seen yet? One thing is for sure though. When parties like Hammas can be “democratically” elected, what is the result? In some cases maybe it is best to just leave things alone. At what point would we start advocating taking down democratic nations. If I am not mistaken Lebanon is a democracy with representatives from Hezbollah duly elected. The utopian democracy that Mr. Bush gushes about will never exist in that part of the world. And will democracy deter terror? Obviously not. There are many many contradictions here. Too many people are trying to make this issue black and white without thinking past the end of their noses.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
By the way, the article and its attributions were from Jan 06.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
Bogstirring Dog humiliates itself with its brainless Bush hating paranoid conspiracy bollocks not 48 hours after it was made public.
Not confronting the mohammaden facsists, as cigar loving sick willie pretty much did, is storing up greater long term danger.
now I’ve seen it all from these demented, envious of Bush leftist appeasers … since when are al zarqawi and his cowardly killers merely “bystanders”?? HA HA HA HA … those meds of yours really need at least doubling mate!!
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
Retired LTC, with all due respect, there’s a bit of hyperbole in your second 1:08 sentence. 1%, 2% of the population at most - not much more than the bad guys in the ATL. Nevertheless, you speak with authority on matters within your service time frame.
Your perspective on a few areas (and I understand these may be matters you cannot talk about for security reasons, or for ethical reasons prefer to not speak - no follow up by me if you cite either):
(1) Did Bush do anything between Jan 20 2001 and Sept 11 2001 to interrupt, disrupt, or terminate the shadow programs?
(2) Did the Gorelick (Clinton era) restriction on intelligence sharing among agencies affect the capacity of those conducting the shadow programs? Efficacy? Alternatively, would you describe those restrictions as “helpful” to the special ops efforts, or benign?
(3) Were the shadow programs sufficient to prevent 9/11, or would we have needed more? If the latter, in your estimation, what?
Thanks for your service.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
rednecks in the defense industry? -
but rednecks … I read only this morning that you were a lizard tongued toilet cleaner at the Coke factory!!!
you’re pathological denial is indeed spiffing entertainment!!
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
rednecks in the defense industry? -
but rednecks … I read only this morning that you were a lizard tongued toilet cleaner at the Coke factory!!!
your pathological denial is indeed spiffing entertainment!!
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
And Blog Dawg @ 12:59, thanks for jumping in. What, exactly, did you say should be the Democrats terrorism policy?
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
Realist - If you are talking about the article I linked, it was “Posted 9/17/2003 11:00 PM Updated 9/17/2003 11:07 PM”
By Markus
August 11, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
Ah yes, just when I posted yesterday about liberal will soon be saying the airline bomb foiling is nothing but a Bush conspiracy close to an election, along comes Froth Dawg.
“Funny thing how we arent’ killing the bad guys, just the bystanders.”
Kinda hard to do when the coward false-prophecy following islamofascists hide behind women and children, isn’t it?
But back to the bomb foiling… since our intelligence heard “chatter” which is how this came about, exactly how many liberals who b!tch about international wiretapping would be crying “BUSH DIDN’T DO ENOUGH!!” if that plan went through?
Looks like Susan’s assinine liberal comments yesterday that it was the UK that caught these guys and Bush was just asleep at the switch. Only an ignoramus liberal would have the twisted, distorted, psychotic thought that the UK and US would not share intelligence.
But like good little typical bedwetting liberals, never let FACTS get in the way of a good hate of Bush. IDIOTS.
Hey jackass libs! How many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11? I’m sure you won’t be counting the sporadic radical muslofanatical Jewish Center shooting which the media hides as “deranged shooter.”
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/10/AR2006081001654_pf.html
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Redneck @ 1:05, what do you think the Dem’s terrorism policy should be? Not what shouldn’t it be - what exactly should President Hillary do to stamp out terrorism beginning January 20, 2009?
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
Nice attempt at a recovery, TFTToilet.
Don’t worry, typos are the least of your literacy problems.
Careful, buddy, the big fish are in the pond today - you might want to get back under your rock - they may not be as nice to you as I am.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
When parties like Hammas can be “democratically” elected, what is the result?
If they become aggressive against the US,then we destroy them just like we did the Nazi’s. Your world view is much like Chamberlain’s in the 1930’s.
By Markus
August 11, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
Anybody seen these men who didn’t show up for college on a visa? More specifically, has anybody seen the mainstream MEDIA show these men? I can’t find it on CNN. Are the liberals there afraid someone at C.A.I.R. will be offended? Awe, what a shame.
http://images.canadafreepress.com/images/hagmann0809.gif
By Realist
August 11, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
No vor, I was referring to the one I linked both times, at no time referencing yours. Sorry for the mixup.
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
Realist,
You’re correct in that Al Queda is different than the old terrorists of the days of yore. Right now, Al Queda is not as centralized as they were before the invasion of Afghanistan. While that weakens them in regards to organization, their propaganda is still strong. What you have now are Al Queda “franchises” (pardon the use of the word) popping up that are not related, but follow the “teachings” and fatwas of bin Laden. Increasing intelligence efforts is the most effective way to battle this.
TFTT,
I’m sure resolutions have been passed before, but this one should be fully enforced by all means unlike any other passed resolutions.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
smirk snigger smirk … wot “big fish” are them redneck vermin?
cor blimey bashturd … are you threatening me with a hissy fit from one of your more homicidal cyber personas??!!
By Van
August 11, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs,
Funny entry, I am so glad you stick up for your country. The name calling was very offensive and made you look like a baldheaded guy sitting on the couch drinking beer and bleching.
The examples you gave were guerilla’s defending there homes, not the case in Iraq, these are people stirred up by outsiders.
Anyway, a good guerilla resistance only ties up about 7 good guys for every cockroach. Like cockroaches, they hide when the light is turned on.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 11, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Conservatives please explain: (mainly asking those who subscribe to the “you’re either for us or agin’ us” way of looking at things)
Why haven’t we gone after the Saudi’s? And don’t just say “the oil” because this is a war about the heart and soul of what we stand for?
While we’re at it..Liberals please explain: Have you not heard of Neville Chamberlain?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Once again jbmlaw, can you read?
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
Liberal … yes it “should” be …
but dont hold your breath. Historically they have little ability/will to enforce anything mohammedans and the anti-American third world crowd dont like.
The UN is a complete joke, dont forget either there’s an innate life long anti-Israel bias in that corrupt, appeasing .org. Any institution that unashamedly allows red china, oppressors of the Tibetans and its own people the same kind of moral and political equivalence of democracies like the UK and US is beneath contempt.
By Voice of Reason
August 11, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
No problem Realist, just making sure.
By Van
August 11, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this
holdingAJC”accountable”,
Re: the Saudi’s
If two guys seem to be threatening to me, and only one is actively trying to take my head off, which one should I go after?
Re: Neville Chamberlain, the patron Saint of the DNC
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
rednecks … I saw earlier you wrote up a sad and very unfunny parody about Realist … even posting lame addendums - so I took five minutes and responded in kind about you. Let me know which one you think is funnier and more (personally) sardonic!!
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
TFTT,
In regards to military/peacekeeping, the UN is very ineffective—i.e. Srebrenica, Rwanda, etc. That’s the reason that I think such a resolution should be passed by NATO.
Also, calling Hezbollah “Hizbollocks” is giving them a little too much credit. Guys like that have no balls. Just an observation :)
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, yes and yes. While Bush did not totally terminate the shadow effort, he, and when I say he, I am speaking more of his administration than him personally, have leaned more toward combining the war on terror with their neo-conservative worldview. Shadow wars don’t exactly produce the political results that they want to get. Don’t think for one minute that Iraq has one iota to do with the war on terrorism. It doesn’t. But it fits a boots on the ground policy for that part of the world that Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliot Abrams have been pushing since the presidency of George H.W. Bush and even Ronald Reagan. Goerge Bush is the president, but his foreign policy is 100% driven by the 3 above mentioned gentleman.
As for Clinton the answer is most definately yes. With a caveat. Intelligence agencies have never been cooperative when it comes to sharing intel. They are territorial and there are budgetary turf wars that have factored into that. It is comparable to law enforcements lack of communication from agency to agency in the war on drugs.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
I think the US is able through our economic policy with Saudi Arabia to influence some of their behaviors unlike other less ecomically developed ME countries.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
The terror plot from England was busted due to a Muslim tip. This is very good and this Muslim should be rewarded. This is the way to fight terrorism. People promoting peace not violence.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Liberal … The UN is also very ineffective and spineless politically too … how many resolutions on Iraq did they UTTERLY IGNORE before Bush and Blair ‘made them’??!! How many dictators and serial human rights abusers do they silently tolerate - and yet their sneer at the US and Israel all day long!!
the taunt Hizbollocks is perhaps wasted on a US blog, the UK style contempt doesn’t quite resonate the same way. I agree they are cowardly vermin though.
By Liberal
August 11, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
Well if the use of the word “bollocks” in “Hizbollocks” signifies that they’re full of $hit, then “Hizbollocks” it is…
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
Van,
Blow up my house and I won’t need any outsiders to rile me up - look at how you rednecks still whine about the chickens Sherman killed.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
Liberal … in sentiment its real close to your astute characterisation - but is not quite the same ‘anatomically’.
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
Time for truth, time for truth, time for truth…..you know, your ID alone is a total debating violation.
First, truth is undefinable, and thus always a non sequitur.
Second, your arguments necessarily define you as non compos mentis.
Third, but not least, your syntactical choices define you as a nonplussed, yet, nonetheless, non pareil nincompoop. (and idiot)
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
rednecks … I saw you typically responded to Van … but you seemed to have missed this:
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
rednecks … I saw earlier you wrote up a sad and very unfunny parody about Realist … even posting lame addendums - so I took five minutes and responded in kind about you. Let me know which one you think is funnier and more (personally) sardonic!!
I do hope you’re not avoiding this important issue!! Your awestruck public eagerly awaits your considered pronouncement!!
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this
Thanks Retired LTC, please visit regularly - your insight is useful for all of us. Get the impression you are a “call ‘em as you see ‘em” and I appreciate that style. (And I’m not ushering you out the door now - just you are new to me, and I have assumed Welcome Wagon responsibilities along with my traditional Grand Inquisitor function.)
Holding @ 1:34, great question. I prepared an 800-word answer, but it didn’t really say anything that Van didn’t say at 1:40. I yield to the better writing.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
wow - the bog stirring neutred dog has truly mentally flatulated in cyber space … we are all gobsmacked by your stunning wordplay - ANY CHANCE OF SHOWING ME SOME OF THAT OMNIPOTENT LIBERAL MERCY MATE? This kind of suicide inducing cyber humiliation is just too tough to take …
you must be one of those really really big fish that rednecks was gleefully threatening me with earlier … as a general fishing tactic I usually use conservative dynamite on such toxic fish - hope that’s not a problem bubbaturd??!!
ONE STICK OR TWO??
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
Blog Dawg @ 1:59, what exactly did you say should be the Dems terrorism policy? We all await your wisdom.
Redneck @ 1:24, same question. We can learn only if we are taught.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 11, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
Re: “non compos mentis”. Isn’t there a prescription creme you can buy for that?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
The cheerleader is pathetic
I see desperation for power. Stay at home in November so we can deal with this cheerleader.
By RetiredLTC
August 11, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
Thanks jbmlaw. Enjoyed it.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
Getalife @ 1:34, thanks, I appreciate the goals - we all want world peace. I was actually soliciting a more specific, “How do you plan to accomplish it.” The link you posted said the goal would be accomplished by getting Osama. Brilliant. How? Are you advocating nukes? Are you advocating massive increase in military, including or not draft? Most of site says “cut and run and cover.” Is that your policy?
By Republican Tidbit o' Truth
August 11, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
“Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past.” Richard M. Nixon, 1968
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
jmb - you’re hitting your erudite head against the preverbial obtuse moveon.org brick wall if you think that getatinybrain will actually risk serious (public) cerebral opprobium from its conservative betters. What it does is post continuous personal and political sneers/jibes + oh so devastating links designed to smash us poor stupid conservatives into (figurative) cyber pieces - whilst never ever actually committing itself to any kind of meaningful debate. Its an old cowardly lefty tactic but seems to be slightly working, at least strategically, if not substantively for getatinybrain.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Uh oh, now they are going after the Kurds
Shiites is hitting the fan.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
TFTT, you are truly evil, you make me laugh more than anyone this side of Ann. I wish I had your wit.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Well jbm,
To start with, new competent leadership who cares more about security than money. You know, secure the borders, do not sale the ports, eleminate corruption in the intelligence community and fund it, basically undo everything W did like the DHS.
Promote peace and not violence. Diplomacy, talk to all countries. Regain respect from the rest of the world, just to name a few.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
lies,
Weak but to be expected from you. The facts do not add up in your tiny wittle pea size brain and your spine, well you will have to grow one of those.
By Realist
August 11, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
Keep cut and pasting. When you attempt to do anything else, Its quite embarrassing for you son.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
Realscared,
Watch out for those big bad Muslims. I thought you were going to Iraq.
Coward.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
Well, jbm, I’ve been thinking. I think the situation will only seriously detiorate in the next couple of years - if these guys in England had been successful with their attack next week, I think Dumbya would have declared martial law for an indefinite period, and with the support of the paranoid and scared (you rednecks), there might not be any elections for a long time. So that is an important caveat when talking about January 20, 2009.
If we want to show the world we mean business on the criminality of religious extremists, the next President at his/her inauguration should either 1) arrest George W. Bush for waging illegal war and send him to The Hague or 2) issue him a pardon, with the caveat he remain in Texas for the rest of his life. Inasmuch as having American troops in a Moslem country is very analogous to having German troops patrolling Israel, the next President should work with the UN to get other troops besides ours to do the policing in Iraq, if that doesn’t work, then we should still walk away from it - all the Kings horses and all the Kings men can’t put Humpty George’s mess back together again, and it can’t get that much worse.
We will then have $120B/year as a “peace dividend” to put towards criminal interdictions and special operations activities to deal with the criminals attached to religious fundamentalist movements, both foreign and domestic. Much of this money could be put to alternative fuel and fuel economy measures domestically to reduce our dependence on foreign oil (trading with the enemy) which would quickly be felt in world oil markets - if we, still the world’s biggest oil consumer, back away from the oil trough, OPEC will notice.
The next President should demand of the CIA and Special Ops forces the capture of Osama bin Laden, dead or alive, within 90 days. Additionally, those people at Gitmo would either be charged with crimes (not war crimes), or released. To protect our CIA operatives around the world, I would pardon Cheney for his actions, which would compel his testimony (or incarceration) in the treason cases of Libby and Rove.
One good thing - the whole planet will breathe a collective sigh of relief if not an outright scream of joy if and when George Dumbya Bush is no longer our President. The next President will be able to capitalize on that - this time, the world will throw flowers.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Very well said rednecks.
I doubt these cowards can read so you have to come down to their level.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
Dear Getalife @ 2:34, if I read right the terrorists will give it up if we have: (1) more caring leadership (cares more about security than money), (2) I know, (3) Secure borders, (4) so not sale ports, (5) eleminate corruption in the intelligence community and simultaneously fund it, and (6) undo DHS entirely. Everything else sounded like goals.
Certainly impressive in its simplicity. You should run on this.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
TFTT, I think people found my alternative history - a future of Realist and Jbm (relax, I know they are both armchair generals, no way would they actually go somewhere where they would actually have to fight), more entertaining than your complete fiction. But maybe not.
With regard to your post, it meets your usual standards - thank Gawd for you, that despite your Englishness, you have adopted a redneck lifestyle, where all you have to do is argue and whine and wave the flag and make silly ad hominem attacks.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Dear Rednecks @ 2:41, great, you third paragraph sounds like the “full employment for attorneys” provision ATLA has been pushing for years - sign me up. (Are you sure $120B is enough?)
Demanding the CIA and special OPs capture Osama. Great idea, wonder why George did not think of that. You clearly have a vision to share.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
No, you can’t read. Stop trying you are embarassing yourself.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Dear Getalife, thanks, you are almost certainly right; I embarrass myself regularly. Nevertheless, I think I will save a copy of your plan for future reference.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
Dumbya has said he doesn’t care about Osama - for once, I take him at his word. Dumbya got re-elected in 2004 bcause he convinced a lot of scared idiots that hey still needed to be hiding under their beds.
Are you arguing that our military and intelligence services are so incompetent that one man can elude them indefinitely? As someone who knows something about the technologies we have available, I find it extremely hard to believe that he can elude a concerted manhunt for so long.
He’s obviously not at all a priority, although he might be magically apprehended towards the middle of October… better timing.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
Just stay at home in November and allow people who can think to govern this great country.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
Do you suggest that we invade Pakistan to get Osama? Eric Rudolph evaded authorities in the Appalachians for over five years. I think it is quite possible that Osama or anyone could hide out in the Himilayaya Mtns. for quite some time.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Jbm, I assume you are talking about my fourth paragraph. There are a few hundred people incarcerated at Gitmo - I guess we can use Woodrow Wilson lawyers - you know, keep the costs way way down - but this ain’t a real estate closing, I guess the accused are entitled to a decent defense, so scratch that…
Nice try at talk radio hyperbole, jbm, but really - full employment for attorneys over a few hundred guys at gitmo, most of whom we’ll probably have to release? Come on, let’s keep the intellectual level of the debate going upward, not downward. You can do it, I think. I don’t say that about many of your redneck compatriots, so think of this as encouragement.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
You may have the right idea Getalife. I think I will distribute your plan, with attribution of course, to ensure we have informed discussion.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Sorry Redneck, I misunderstood. Your 3:16 post clarifies that the entire universe of potential “criminal interdictions” (your language, from your third paragraph at 2:41) is presently at GTMO; I thought you contemplated looking for future terrorists. Is your position that the peace dividend will cause the terrorists to lay down arms?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Yes, tell all your friends to stay home in November jbm.
That is my plan.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
Once the next President pardons Bush for his war crimes, or sends him to The Hague for prosecution, and our troops are no longer in Iraq - a special ops unit or units in Pakistan to eliminate/capture Osama becomes our moral right again.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
It is funny how the GOP have already pardoned OBL for 9/11.
The 33% minority thinks this is okay, the rest of the real Americans say no frigging way.
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Hi TFTT. I haven’t had time to read everyone’s post today, but skimmed through, especially the stories by you and rednecks. The character in rednecks story (Col. Realist) was really just the stage name for John Kerry.
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
To clarify again, Redneck @ 3:24, either pardoning George W. Bush or prosecuting him at the Hague for war crimes will cause terrorists to give up their efforts? If you are right, that is strikingly simple. If only Daniel Pearl had known….
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
I err - it’s spelled “Perle” isn’t it.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
“make silly ad hominem attacks.”
WHERE THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN??? let me know immediately rednecks where anyone has called you an inbred mutant hypocrite and I’ll make sure it continues … until you stop!!
this is just hollow slander and libel and archetypal redneck oafishness rolled into one!!
funny isn’t it matey - you can gleefully hand it out but you sure cant take it!!
must be my “pea size” brain - cheers for that stunningly original, adult beverage induced compliment getarottenbrain - … damn I thought it was smaller than that, it must have at least doubled in size since the last electron microscope inspection - soon it’ll be big enough I hope for a full medicare lobotomy!!
Then after the lobotomy I’ll probaby become a full blown Bush hating liberal … NAH - no one can KNOWINGLY sink that low and not at least want to kill/harm themselves!!
By jbmlaw
August 11, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Barbara, you have missed an excellent day - some real substance through the lunch hours. TFTT was in top form. And Getalife and Redneck have just offered their plans to fight terrorism - you have to read those.
By Van
August 11, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs,
Hey, nucklehead -
During WWII, when did we capture Hideki Tojo? Yes, UBL is a prime target of oppurtunity, but he is not essential in this war on terror. If we can cut the legs out from under him, i.e. his organization, we can bring him down.
I am sure Bác Hồ was also a target during the 60’s and early 70’s.
Get off focusing your looney rants at passe items, “Where is UBL?” under a rock hiding.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
Losing George Bush will take a lot of wind out of the sails of world terrorism - these criminals would know automatically they will be facing a more intelligent reasoned foe. Seriously. Someone not so quick to overreact, someone who brings out the best in the American people rather than appealing to the mob, should be very disconcerting to our foes.
Our unilateral withdrawal from Iraq will slow the recruitment there and throughout the Middle East, spending less on oil will make an eventual dent in terrorist funding. Patrolling our borders instead of jousting windmills and chasing ghosts (and killing innocents and blowing up their homes) in Iraq will make terrorism harder. It won’t be easy, but it is a strategy more likely to avoid WW3.
The terror balloon is about to explode, our enemies have seen our military strategy is all hat, no cattle. The effort needs to be made to defuse the situation, not put more fuel to the fire.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
alright Barbara, cheers for the kind words again jmb …
at least I finally managed to shame getamaggotsbrain into saying something vaguely substantive, if unsurprisingly obtuse - beyond parroting his usual plebian bollocks about staying home in November. Obviously he is very scared of the rain and cold - probably because he cant afford a coat because he’s sending all his non food and alcohol money to help fight the enemy in Iraq.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
Losing George Bush will take a lot of wind out of the sails of world terrorism - these criminals would know automatically they will be facing a more intelligent reasoned foe.
HA HA HA HA … what like the gigilo windsurfer Kerry who voted for it before he voted against it??!!
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this
You know, Van, technology has improved a little bit since WW2 and even since Nam - heck, I bet you’ve even used one of those newfangled indoor outhouses once or twice since then. Here in the 21st century, if your government really wanted to, they could probably figure out where you pharted this morning.
And since when do you rednecks allow brown-skinned criminals to run amok, loose?
By Van
August 11, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs,
Hey, you do have more brains than Homer Simpson, your recognized Uncle Ho. Do you remember rooting for Uncle Joe and FDR?
By Van
August 11, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
Folks, How does this sound - From Reuters, a very honest news agency - wink-wink
“We believe this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counter-productive to associate Islam or Muslims with fascism,” said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group.
“We ought to take advantage of these incidents to make sure that we do not start a religious war against Islam and Muslims,”
That maybe all well and good, but they started a religious war against the rest of the world. Heck, their “Religion of Peace” even lets them kill fellow muslims, also called “honor killings” and other attacks - sunni against shite against kurds, against - well you get the picture.
By Mark the Lib
August 11, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
Why do you Con-men think we care if you bash Kerry? We care about Kerry as much as you care about Bob Dole. They were both Presidential candidates who got whipped because they were BAD Presidential candidates. No one on the Left wants to see Kerry run again.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
now now Mark …
some of you libs do care about Kerry - hell eleven of you showed up just last week for his latest presidential primary rally in Iowa.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
For those who can read, here is the Democratic plan for the war on terror:
War on Terror To Defeat Terrorists and Stop the Spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction, we will:
Eliminate Osama Bin Laden, destroy terrorist networks like al Qaeda, finish the job in Afghanistan, and end the threat posed by the Taliban.
Double the size of our Special Forces, increase our human intelligence capabilities, and ensure our intelligence is free from political pressure.
Eliminate terrorist breeding grounds by combating the economic, social, and political conditions that allow extremism to thrive; lead international efforts to uphold and defend human rights; and renew longstanding alliances that have advanced our national security objectives.
Secure by 2010 loose nuclear materials that terrorists could use to build nuclear weapons or “dirty bombs.”
Redouble efforts to stop nuclear weapons development in Iran and North Korea.
The failed GOP neocon plan:
Stay the course.
You be the decider in November.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
actually Van
Homer Simpson does just about everything better than rednecks, including sex, driving, thinking, writing, personal hygeine …
By Mark the Lib
August 11, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
TFTT, thanks for making my point. Kerry, get the hill outtahere! That was a funny picture though.
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
Seriously guys (jbm and tftt), tell me where getabrain posts anything substanative? I started skipping his posts entirely after he started posting nothing but links all the time. After looking a the first few of them I realized he’s probably not capable of substanative thoughts. rednecks vermin (grudgingly) was at least entertaining.
Cheers to Mark the Lib earlier this morning for inviting debate. He and some of the others are at least reasonable debaters and want to discuss, debate and bring thought to the issues. But I just don’t see that from getabrain.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
Barbara, getabrain does tell us one substantive thing about himself, he has a deepening phobia about November which is why he keeps hectoring his betters about the month … after all Bush won twice in November!! Unfortunately term limits prevent Bush from gaining a third term!!
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
Oh Babs,
And your posts are just plump full of intellectual debating possibilities.
Please do not judge others, your posts do not stand out as anything to be proud of.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
lies,
That last post pretty much tells the story about you.
Just pitiful.
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
Whoa! I may have spoke too soon!!!!
Okay getalife, you have my attention. 1st, which democrat with serious aspirations for president proposes to do all of the things you describe in 4:13 post?
Then, I’d like to explore specifically how you are going to Eliminate terrorist breeding grounds by combating the economic, social, and political conditions that allow extremism to thrive; lead international efforts to uphold and defend human rights; because that sounds a lot like what Israel is doing right now, yet you libs are totally against that when Bush throws his support behind Israel.
And how will we secure loose nuclear materials if we don’t look for them!!!!? Is your candidate ready to take the heat when, after looking in the most likely place and not finding them, the other party turns on them like a bunch of rabid dogs?
You’re on to something, but exactly how are you going to get this plan in action because a lot of it sounds exactly like what’s going on today, and you guys aren’t satisfied with it.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
I performed a public service today - kept all of you violent bloodthirsty rednecks blogging instead of beating your kids, raping your sisters, and away from your barnyard friends.
But really, I don’t know why I bother, talking to all you bloodthirsty cowards (Realist, beating your wife and kids don’t make you a man, son) and your constant un-original insults.
Lord, deliver me and America from the redneck, those soulless violent minions of the devil, help them to see the light of Education, Hygiene, Community, and Decency. Give me the strength to deal with their ongoing relentless ignorance and arrogance. In Jesus, Your Son - the Prince of PEACE’s name I pray. Amen.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
Sorry Babs,
I do not want your attention. I posted the Democratic plan for debate for this blog.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
This plan is basically the opposite of their plans during the 90’s. It’s good to know the Democrats are waking up to the dangers out there.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this
Stewert,
Yes, there are new dangers. I am curious of the GOP plan.
By Blog Dawg
August 11, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this
It’s miller time. Watch out for the bull. (the schlitz malt liquour bull)
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Hi Barbara,
I saw Talladega Nights - the Ballad of Ricky Bobby a few nights ago, and thought of you. There are a couple of scenes where evangelical Protestant religion is showcased, I think you would enjoy them, I know I did.
Do you pray to the baby Jesus, or the bearded Jesus?
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
ah, getabrain, it’s true what I’ve read about you then. You run like a coward from any real debate. You probably cut and pasted your plan from someone else’s writings. Oh well, for a minute I thought you might be capable of reasonable thought.
rednecks, you’re way behind me. I was camped out at the midnight movies the day that one came out!!!! Yeah, me and my gurlfriends wuz sittin in that movie parking lot in the back of our pickemup trucks drinking schlitz and yeee-hawin’.
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
Wow, I guess stay the course in Iraq is the GOP plan.
Great debate.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
“I performed a public service today - kept all of you violent bloodthirsty rednecks blogging instead of beating your kids, raping your sisters, and away from your barnyard friends”.
looks like rednecks has finished its gainful employment of licking the Coke factory toilets clean with its lizard like tongue today - so now the bile oozes out … well done indeed redneck vermin - another classic post from you. And as ever utterly devoid of any ad hominen attacks or mindless bigoted abuse!!
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
The GOP plan is the same as the reptile’s, the alligator’s, the chimpanzee’s - kill or be killed.
Very redneck.
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
I guess you prefer to be killed then, rednecks? Please, please tell us where you are. We won’t have to initiate a draft to get folks signed up for that mission.
getabrain, I sure am sorry if I hurt your wittle bitty feelings…… go back to posting your links then…. I’ll go back to ignoring you.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
BTW redneck vermin - just for future reference, an alligator is actually a reptile, so your classification was rather p**s poor there - but no worries, eh? you expelled a bit more bile, so it was well worth it!!
By getalife
August 11, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
Babs,
Which part of the Democratic plan to fight terror did you not understand?
What is the GOP plan?
By getalife
August 11, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Babs gives great debate.
Just pathetic.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
rednecks must be reporting for its complulsory weekly processing at the company delousing facility so we wont see it until next week now … shame!! BOO HOO
was that an ad hominen attack rednecks … I do so hope so!!
I see getamaggotbrain is busy insulting Barbara, witlessly posting (alleged) demoNcrat policy and pretending to be an independent still!!
By Rebublican Tidbit o' Truth
August 11, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
“Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past.” Richard M. Nixon, VAN’S HERO, 1968
By Van
August 11, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I went back and read the “Plan” as you posted - typical democrap rantings, all noise and no substance. Lofty ideas, no substance. All talk, no plan - how would you do these things.
By Stewart
August 11, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
I am sure you are aware of the GOP plan. Pre-emption is the basic premise along with the spread of democracy to the middle east. Obviously it remains to be seen whether this plan will be effective or not.
By Tattooed Toothless redneck repubs
August 11, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
Thanks tidbit. Nixon would have never been stupid or arrogant enough to fight this phony war.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
I performed a public service today - kept all of you violent bloodthirsty rednecks blogging instead of beating your kids, raping your sisters, and away from your barnyard friends”.
Rednecks - approximately how many southerners do you PERSONALLY know who actually do what you grotesquely and clearly very emptily allege here? and presumably quite often judging from the tone of your post?
I assume you have reported ALL of them to authorities and we can look forward to seeing arrests and prosecutions very soon!!
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
Good luck getting an answer Van. I asked him similar questions and all he could come up with was insults. I’m curious to see if you get a more meaty response.
TFTT, you know he doesn’t have an answer for that one. All kidding aside, I like hearing from someone like you who comes here from a completely different lifestyle and appreciates us southerners. Southern hospitality is not a myth. We are a fun crowd and always welcome folks, especially interesting folks with different backgrounds. rednecks vermin just can’t stand it because he’s probably not intersting enough to peak even a southerner’s curiosity, and so he feels left out. So he chooses to spend his day insulting us because we won’t play with him.. pout.
By John
August 11, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
One thing you have to bear in mind about the voter ID law is that when you apply for a driver’s license or state ID card, the state police routinely make a check for outstanding warrants. The same goes for when you apply for a permit to serve or sell intoxicating spirits. Just something to think about.
By time for the truth
August 11, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this
You’re too kind Barbara, re” rednecks it seems like this is a growing obsession … he might think its just a bit of fun - but its way more than that … every day - the exact same bigoted topic, with the bile ebbing and flowing …?
By Barbara
August 11, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this
Yeah, it’s funny. You and I have both said on many occasions, if you substitute the word “black”, or “female”, or “jew” instead of “redneck”, he’d have been arrested by now. Or angry rioters would have found him and dragged him out on the streets for public hanging, but since he says rednecks, it’s okay to be a bigot.
Oooh, John. Good post. You choose 6pm, when the post closes, to introduce such a thought-provoking comment…… They also do a background check when you purchase a gun or apply for a permit to carry. I think you’re on to something. We now know why the democrats are so opposed to these laws. They don’t want to be found out for what they really are smirk.
Have a great weekend y’all.