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DEL.ICIO.USMr. McGovern, your party is waiting
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Well, they got him. The crazies of the anti-war left, a rising force within the national Democratic Party, got Joe Lieberman last night. But saner Democrats in Georgia’s 4th Congressional District got Cynthia McKinney, too. It was a night of mixed blessings.
I view Connecticut Democratic politics and the party’s voters the same as I do Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Unitarians: What they do amongst themselves — whatever rules, rituals and rites they wish to rally ‘round — is none of my business. But ol’ Joe. Dang. It’s hard to envision a party that swore by him just six years ago, that vouched to the American people that he was White House material, and Tuesday they dumped him. Out in the hinterlands, dumping Joe over Iraq suggests that the McGovernites are back.
The other race of national interest was McKinney’s. It’s an amazing fall from power, evidence that middle and upper class blacks in her district had grown weary of the volatile confrontationalist who on a bad day could find racism and conspiracy in a bowl of breakfast ceral. The old rabble-rousing street rhetoric that had worked so many times before failed to move the Lexus crowd. The district changed. She didn’t. She lost fair, square and decisively.
Lieberman is not finished, by any means — though McKinney is either at the end of her career or at the beginning of a long process of easing from the edge to center-left before she is again capable of winning any significant political office. Lieberman will most likely win his fourth term in the U.S. Senate in November running as an Independent. His defeat Tuesday does fix the national Democratic Party ideologically. It is now the McGovern party.
For newcomers to this earth who are below the U.S. median age of 35.3 years old, that’s the virulently anti-war party of George McGovern. The message of his 1972 campaign was a rip-roaring success. In Massachusetts and the District of Columbia, that is, for those were the only two electoral-vote producers McGovern carried.
Republicans lost big in Georgia onTuesday. One of their biggest recruiters bit the dust. But they won bigger in Connecticut, where the party of the angry and unelectable McGovern Democrats was reborn to lose again.
Comments
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 9, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
Well, it looks as though that, as a “prophet,” I am one for two.
The citizen voters of the 4th Congressional District of Georgia terminated the Cynthia McKinney fiasco last evening as I predicted they would. However, the Democratic voters in Connecticut failed to follow my prediction that they would re-nominate Joe Lieberman as their candidate for a fourth term as Senator from that sovereign state. Instead, they gave the nod to Ned Lamont, an extreme if not radical liberal.
Your perceptions concerning the National Democratic Party are on target. While “Ol Joe” (with the help of some Connecticut Republicans) will likely return to Washington as an Independent, it is clear that the “Deanites” are in control of the party machinery, not only in Connecticut but throughout the nation as well.
Who would have thought that Hillary Clinton would be numbered among the “conservative” wing of the Democratic Party!
By Craig
August 9, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this
The McGovernite Party? Nonsense, but that’s of course the Republican spin we’ll hear for awhile.
Most Dems supported Bush’s war. None of them, except ol’ Joe, had opposition. What’s the difference? Whenever someone would have the audacity to point out Bush’s staggering and dangerous incompetence, ol’ Joe would rush to the Hannity show and criticize his own party. I wonder how long Saxby Chambliss would represent Georgia if he spent all his time on the Al Franken show criticizing Republicans?
Two thirds of the public is convinced that Bush’s neocon fantasies and incompetence have led us astray in Iraq. Sorry, Jim, but Ned Lamont represents mainstream thinking today in America.
By Jim Wooten
August 9, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this
Morning, Philosopher and others to come. Who would have thought that Hillary would, as you say, emerge as the right wing of the Democratic Party — or at least as far right as its willing to swing. That’s still way left of center, but no doubt she’s strengthened in 2008 by the party’s drift out of the mainstream. It makes her look downright centrist among the Democrats.
By Jim's a Dummy
August 9, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this
“Crazies on the anti-war left”?
That’s some lofty rhetoric Jim. Just like McKinney will blame everyone (you included) except herself for her loss, you’re attempting to blame Joe’s loss on something other than his continued support for a sham of a war and a proxy president.
The whole thing is a sham. People are dying every day. For no reason. At all.
And you call the people who oppose this war “crazies”.
What about the scanticy of life that the GOP tells me so much about? What about the family values that they espouse. Hatred, war and killing are part of that?
What a joke. You’re no better than Bill O’Riley.
By Jim Wooten
August 9, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this
Craig, welcome. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released just before the primary tells it all. Fully 81 percent of Democrats think the war was not worth fighting. This is a party with hot feet.
By Reality Sandwich
August 9, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this
“…reborn to lose again…” Great Phrase!! Bravo!!
McGovern was only succesful in that he exposed the virulent anti-law party of the Nixonian Burglary Machine and prompted Nixon to utter the mother of all oxymorons wrapped in the mutually-exclusive and paradoxical contradiction: “I’m not a crook”.
By Reality Sandwich
August 9, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this
Nixon was the one who amscrayed from ‘Nam. LBJ was the one who got us in there fighting for democracy, and the flag, and everything.
Republicans cut and ran from the terrorist/commies of the Ho Chi Min trail….Brawk…broaughque….Bwock…buckbuckbwawk…
By anti-war non-crazy
August 9, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
I think McKinney’s abrasive personality was as much a problem for her as her anti-war stance, and I am sure that people were sick of reading about her antics, whatever their political affiliation. In Lieberman’s case, I’m sure Iraq played an important role. However, I believe Connecticut Democrats voting in their own primary were more than justified in ousting a candidate who seemed to side more with a Republican president than with his party. Zell Miller would probably disagree. I hope Lieberman’s defeat will drive home to Senate Democrats that they are SUPPOSED to be the political opposition and encourage them to speak up if they oppose war. What do we have a two-party system for? Unlike 1972, when McGovern ran, this country is far from having a real anti-war movement. He lost the presidency, but we lost the war. Not everyone who believes Vietnam and Iraq were wrong moves is crazy, if that is what Jim Wooten is trying to suggest.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
The moonbats are undoubtedly ascending among the Democrats, Georgia excepted. I think our Democrat friends here were chastened by the historic losses four years ago. Those losses were not due to the local personalities, but rather to the crazies associated with them in DC. Even hard core Republicans do not regard Mad Max or the former governor with any true animus; Max’s only mistake was drinking Daschle’s DHS-labor Kool-aid.
The Dems (locally) worked to put forth a smarter face here. Taylor and Cox are not exactly radicals, and I suspect Ms. Cox’s political career is not yet at an end.
On the other hand, you saw the bizarre (and seemingly unnecessary) report on the thoughts of New Hampshire democrats regarding Ms. Clinton. I am sure somebody will blame that on Karl Rove before the day is out, but I believe it is more likely attributable to machinations by the appeasement moonbats - either an effort to discipline Ms. Clinton, or to strike pre-emptively.
By White Jesus
August 9, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
This still does not explain why this “radical left wing” views of the war are mainstream. 60 percent is a figure that cannot be ignored.
No matter how much people are fed that democratic views of the Iraq war are not the views of mainstream America, stats like this continue to show they are. Period
White Jesus loves you all.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this
McKinney and Lieberman are history.
Thank you Ga. and Ct.
Now for the GOP and the rest of the career politicians.
For our country, republicans should stay at home in November. We need a Dem majority for accountability for the failed W administration. After, they are held accountable and they undo all the failed policies and start enforcing the laws, we can finally move forward and in the right direction.
Things are looking better.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this
“Jim’s a Dummy” @ 8:15, you are clearly one of those who will sacrifice tomorrow’s freedom for today’s expediency. That short term view of life is the reason you leftist Patriots are so-reviled.
By Where's the Divide?
August 9, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this
McKinney moving center-left? Are you kidding me? Her neurotic psychosis would never allow that. I wonder how she’ll make a living now. A new “voting machine” company rigged to vote irrational?
I hope you’re right about Lieberman in November. A noble and respected politician (D) calls for unity and the radical leftist Lamont (D) follows up with a shovel digging the trench wider. I thought the radical left blamed Bush for the great divide?
If they can’t see their own image for the fogged up mirror, maybe they should eliminate the source of the steam.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
Did you notice that Cynthia didn’t even have the class to concede? She side-stepped that little effort. And they’re aleady starting to find “problems” with the voting booths. This aint over. Who wants in on the bet for when the race card gets thrown? I’m going for noon today…… By noon she’ll have found some reason to cry racism in losing this election…… Good ridance, although I do agree, Jim, that she was the Republicans’ best recruiter.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
Reality Sandwich @ 8:25, on Vietnam Nixon was guilty of nothing more than trying to broker a national compromise between those who believed freedom should be preserved for our Asian brothers and the Leftist Patriots who wanted to cut and run. His withdrawal held until the post-Watergate moonbat Dems forbad Ford from defending the negotiated peace. You cannot honestly hang the SE Asian bloodbath on the Republicans; they warned for 10 years of the risk of the Dominos. Same is true today in the Middle East.
By Reality Sandwich
August 9, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
Cooler heads prevailed last night. Goodbye cellphone/taser girl. We can only hope she tries to make a cellphone call on her taser and zaps herself into normality for future campaigns.
Lieberman isn’t electable as a prez. There really isn’t an electable democrat yet. We still are listless, leaderless, sloganless, issueless, and floundering.
We need a writer to define the issues with rally-worthy jargon. We need bumper sticker ideology. What happened to the 911 terrorists? Did they all die on those planes, or did they have commanders and accomplices and supporters and a constituency that is planning another 911? Does the right even remember 911?
That’s it! “REMEMBER 911!” everybody shout it out your windows: “REMEMBER 911!”
I wonder how much sleep Bush lost last night wondering where Osama Bin Laden is?
You Republicans wont be satisfied till we’re all absorbing gamma rays for fun and profit. You’re all quite mad, you know.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
If you think Ned Lamont’s clear victory over Lieberman is the result of left-wing crazies, I cannot wait for November.
I’m starting now to understand why liberalism and left of center values are really agitating the right-wingers.
You’re starting to realize many other elections may not go your way in November.
Well, better luck organizing your ‘base’ the next time.
By Reality Sandwich
August 9, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
The Domino theory was aptly named because we started that war to defend Domino Pizza’s right to put a franchise on every street corner. The Vietnamese, who had been fighting the Chinese for 1000 years to gain their total independence from all things foreign, refused to allow Domino Pizza or any US cultural icons to dominate the cultural and economic destiny of Vietnam.
The Domino Theory was correct only in that after we cut and run, Vietnam invites all Pizza franchises to put as many pizzerias on as many street corners as they like.
Revisionism is not pretty.
There’s not one educated man in the world (including the Joint Chiefs) who believes in the domino theory for the perpetuation of any political juggernaut at any point in mankind’s history. It just doesn’t happen that way. It cant. It’s a fantasy-construct that mesmorizes the electorate into accepting war (till they snap out of it by using logic and history).
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
Reality @ 8:49, do you deny the killing fields?
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
Reality @ 8:49, do you deny that Republicans warned for years of the dangers of Commies taking over SE Asia, and that for the same period the Dem’s pooh-poohed the risks?
By Watta Load
August 9, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
A Washington Post-ABC News poll released just before the primary tells it all. Fully 81 percent of Democrats think the war was not worth fighting. This is a party with hot feet.
The Opinion Research Corporation conducted a poll last week that showed 60 percent of all Americans oppose the war in Iraq and support the beginnings of a withdrawal.
Jim, Even with a margin of error you are in the minority opinion concerning the war…even if we expand that margin of error that would make the ratio 50/50, the phrase “crazies of the anti-war left” is nothing but a rant.
Lieberman is a toady…
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
The who deny holocausts are not “educated.” Far from it, they are the moonbats.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this
Who is Opinion Research Corporation, and why would I want them setting US foreign policy?
By Realist
August 9, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this
I could be wrong, because at the time I was only , well, unborn, but as hugely unpopular as the war was in 68, did the republicans not fair pretty well in the next election? I have no worries. Liberman will retain his senate seat and we will seat another Republican president. Period. Do you guys really think we have worked this hard to disenfranchise all you poor democrats for nothing? lol
@ Reality
I think Bush went to bed last night as did many people wondering about the whereabouts of 11 Eqyptians/Islamics who came in the country from Cairo on student visa but have yet to be seen at thier school of choice. Lets see, I think it was Wyoming Community State Tech or something like that. We all know Wyoming is a hot bed of education for people around the world.
The terrorist have to be licking thier chops at the thought of the cut-and-run “peace” minded dems coming to power. God help us.
By Reality Sandwich
August 9, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this
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Cartoon Idea: Show Al Queda Training Camp Cadets cheating on a final exam by looking at secreted firecrackers in order to answer the test’s one question: “What do you do when you see an infidel”.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this
I think Watta Load is on to something - I believe all Democrats should run on a policy of demanding US withdrawal from Iraq, no ifs ands or buts, by June 30, 2008. I think all Republicans should run on a stay-the-course platform. That would be honest; I wonder which is more likely?
By White Jesus
August 9, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this
Bush went to bed last night worrying about the brush the needs cleared on the back forty. We are on vacation people!
By Reality Sandwich
August 9, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
We liberals are not so much, “Cut and Run”, like the Republican Party did in Vietnam, (the dirty rats), as we are “Rut and Cun”, which is short for, “USA in Rut, use Cunning Linguistics to elect a liberal (free government cheese) president”.
By rednecks - Amerikkkka's Al Qaeda
August 9, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this
(My original screen name fits well today)
The bloodthirsty rednecks - the children and grandchildren of Klansmen and lynchmobbers - celebrate their high-tech lynching of Cynthia McKinney - this morning - an uppity black woman loses her job. Not as much fun as the old days of police beatings (well, maybe not so old) and lynchings (well, maybe not so old either), but the redneck will take what s/he can get. After all, s/he has the blood of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis and Lebanese on his/her hands, Cynthia’s life can be spared, at least for now.
Alas, some of the bloodthirsty crazies mourn the potential loss of spineless Joe Lieberman, who shows his courageous support for the President by sending other people’s sons and daughters off to kill and be killed. Don’t worry, the blood of the innocent for you bloodthirsty violence-prone ignoranuses will continue to flow into the forseeable future.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Why dont you guys get it that its not about Iraq anymore. The us military must have a presence in the middle east into the forseeable future and beyond. Do you realize how much equipment we have over there and what an undertaking it would be to bring it home (which they probably wouldnt do regardless because of the economics of it). We are in a position to launch strikes against our foes in the middle east and we should not surrender those positions. What part of that does not make sense? We cant just pick up and come home. You dems supported the invasion and should have casted your vote for support with the foresight of what it could turn into. Dont act as though you went into this blindly not knowing what was a stake and what could happen. You cant rewrite the past, you can only deal with what lies before us today. You guys make me sick!!
By rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda
August 9, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
The GOP will do fine in November - never overestimate the stupidity and bloodlust of the American redneck - and they breed like flies.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this
For jbmlaw: As the US government utilizes their research expertise, I would imagine they likely do have an impact on US policy.
Here’s some info on Opinion Research Corporation.
www.opinionresearch.com
Per Opinion Research’s website:
“It also operates through ORC Macro, which specializes in social research programs for government agencies.”
“From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Opinion Research Corporation, based in Princeton, New Jersey, is a demographic, health, and market research company. It was founded in 1938 by Claude Robinson and George Gallup, although Gallup quickly left the firm in 1939.
Opinion Research Corp. agreed to be acquired by InfoUSA on August 4, 2006 for $12 per share in cash.”
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
Funny essay on the Lieberman loss, http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/442047p-372286c.html I don’t know this Michael Goodwin fellow, but he makes the same argument (but with great humor) as Realist @ 9:14.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this
Thanks Susan, good info. Still begs the question, why would I want a social research organization setting my foreign policy? (Heck, US Govt sends money to Planned Parenthood, I would not want them setting our foreign policy either.) Demographic, health, and market research company - does not sound like policy wonks. Give me the neo-cons any day.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
I really dont think ol G dub listens much to ORC or any other “socialist” research group. HE is the DECIDER! lol
By Mark the Lib
August 9, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Why do we need a presence in the Middle East? So we can strike who, Saudi Arabia, where the highjackers came from? Man, please. Our intelligence is so bad over there that we can’t find Bin Ladin after 3 years in a country where we can go anywhere we want to. If a terrorist strikes a US interest who are going after, Syria? Please, we’re too scared to do that. Iran, we’d get our hands handed to us on a silver platter. You think Iraq is bad, send your kids to fight in Iran and see how fast they come back in covered caskets. Why stay there? Oh I know why, we gotta keep the oil flowing.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
[http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:5Zy01zzNZLIJ:www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm+us+opinion+polls&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1]
This link shows the results of many recent polls regarding US opinion about Iraq, George Bush’s handling of Iraq, etc.
It may be hard for you on the right to understand, but you are not the majority.
Most folk’s short term memory is faulty, but I know I saw millions of people in the US and around the world protesting the invasion of Iraq. We aren’t any happier now, seeing that we are close to losing as many US soldiers as we did on 9/11 in an effort that is a complete failure for ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.
I don’t shout very often, but once in a while I do raise my voice.
And when a grief-stricken woman has the courage to speak to power and demand an answer about the death of her son is vilified and trashed by those on the right, it’s simply amazing.
I think I get it: the mom n apple pie n sanctity of the family n conservative values are just a cover.
As other right wingers state on this blog, people who believe as I do should burn in hell, and it would be really super if everyone with a pulse who is Muslim in the Middle East should be slaughtered.
I hate to break it to those of you on the right, but your abject fantasies will not be fulfilled.
So keep blowing yourselves and dreaming. You’ve got a blog and you’ve got plenty of time to burn at work, so rock on!
By JoeD
August 9, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
It is time for Jim to realize that he is in the minority on the war in Iraq.. It is also time for him to put away his fantasy that the Democrats are going to rush into the fall elections wearing tye dyed shirts, smoking weed and chanting “Hell, No, We won’t go”. George McGovern was not resurrected last night. Lieberman may have been embraced 6 years ago, but he has since gotten in bed with Dubya. He wasn’t quite as bad as our resident loony, Zell, but he was seen as being far too cozy with this President. He lost plain and simple because he stopped representing his constituents as they wanted him to. Ned Lamont may have gotten his name recognized for his anti-war stance, but he also had substantive ideas that appealed to Connecticut residents. Actually, I hope the GOP continues to think that the Dems will just run an anti-war campaign this fall. That way, they’ll never know what them.
By White Jesus
August 9, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
Yeah, Georgie doesn’t listen to much of anybody. Its hard to drown out the sound of crickets and monkeys in the head. I’ve tried communicate but I get a busy signal. Or was it the “line has been disconnected” voice?
By Susan
August 9, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
[http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:5Zy01zzNZLIJ:www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm+us+opinion+polls&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1]
By Susan
August 9, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
Okay, I have cut and pasted twice. And it has not worked.
Try this, please.
Look at www.pollingreport.com.
See their polls regarding Iraq and US opinions about how Bush has handled it.
Thanks.
By FFA?
August 9, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
Will a liberal donkey plow the earth in Connecticut? Sure he will. After blinders are applied. Then he’ll cultivate nice neat little rows waiting to be seeded with jihadists.
When will they sprout? Who the heck knows? Not the donkey. Nor does he care. They really are dumb & stubborn creatures.
By Jim's a Dummy
August 9, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
For Watta Load @ 8:53…
Nice reality check, but unfortunately the GOP (and any politician, for that matter) tend to use the will of the “American People” selectively when it suits their purpose. Don’t expect Jim or jmblaw or any of the others to acknowledge that a majority of people in this country are against the war and do not support the president.
They will, however, continue to refer to people who have differing viewpoints with such colorful prose as “moonbats” and “wingnuts”.
By Dana
August 9, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
Good Morning, (I think) The issue with the current war is less whether we should have gone - we have, so thoughts on that are pure rhetoric. The issue is that we are there now - and we CAN’T pull out without leaving ourselves, and the people who have no choice but to live there, in a much worse position. I do not believe the reasons given for going to war were even remotely true. However, we now have thousands of our soldiers there, and they should be given the ability to fight the war the best way they can. I wonder how many of us on this blog were ever active duty in the military - and how many actualy understand combat. It would be lovely to think that only the “bad guys” die. But that is not reality. We have now commited to this, and there have been so many mistakes made, so much incompetence from the decision makers that I am not sure we can ever recover from it. But we have to find a way, or every single person who has died there will have died for the vanity and stupidity of those who sent them there for without the tools to succeed.
By JoeD
August 9, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Oops, sorry the last line should read: That way, they’ll never know what hit them.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
So JoeD, Susan, WJ, Mark, who is the person the dems are putting up in 08 again? Who is this saviour you guys are going to support? Id really like to talk about that persons ideas for change, other than getting out of Iraq which is a given. ??????
By White Jesus
August 9, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
Well said Dana
By Dana
August 9, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
Here is another off the wall comment and then I have to work -
When our founding fathers set up the constitution, they invisioned, (so I understand) a government made of the people. Representatives were to be persons of the community, who gave up their time in service to the community, and then returned to their lives. How did we get from that to where we are now, with politicians raised from infancy? We have representatives who no more understand life as a typical American than we understand what life is as an Iraqi. And we keep electing them! Here is my real question - how do we get back to that? Or some version of that? Why do we all, left and right, keep electing people who have no clue what we really need and want? COme on folks, underneath it all, WE WANT THE SAME THING! A safe community, opportunities, a FUTURE.
By Mark the Lib
August 9, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
The crazies of the anti-war left. I guess they’re on the same plain as the crazies of the pro-war right. People such as yourself, Hannity, Rush, Santorum, Bush Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, etc.
Jim, I truly believe that you don’t think Iraq was worth the lives and money we’ve spent over there; but to keep the blog going you have to maintain the insane right-wing view that killing a bunch of Middle Easterners is the only way to eradicate terrorism. You’re too smart for that.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
The Democrats and their apologists rely on polls to set policy; they did for the entire Clinton administration, and that seems totally rational to them.
The Republicans and their apologists have always rejected polls as a basis for policy, relying on analysis instead.
Since 1992, at election time, we always face a choice between the “do what feels good” crowd vs. the “do what you know is right” crowd. There is no reason to believe the 2006 elections will be any different. My forecast is that “right” will win over “popular.” Lieberman in a landslide in November, when people other than the left are allowed to vote.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
OH HAPPY DAY … McKinney bites the race baiting dust
and the whining fake moderate LIEberman is left twisting in the treasonous appeasing leftist wind
This really couldn’t have been much better for the GOP.
The nation is now rid of arguably the vilest member of congress, although Waters, Murtha, Fwank, Jackson-Lee, Pelosi and several other arch pinkos have an on going very selfish interest in that vacated title.
But the LIEberman situation is both hilariously and delightfully machievaelian. If he wins as a so called independent, as CT polls currently seems to suggest is entirely possible, it is at least very likely that the far left endures a double whammy. Not only will they be vilified for months by the visionary anti-left forces for what they did to LIEberman.
But the CT left for sure now seriously assists in systematically undermining the national DemoNcrats already poor image on national security with the official CT cut and run —Sheehan/Murtha lets appease our enemies agenda.
The DNC will not pony up much in the way of funds for Lamont, who is independently wealthy anyway, thereby risking nationally alienating many more leftist political moonies.
The majority of DemoNcrat senators are now hilariously be in the most awkward of positions. Not being able to help LIEberman on the campaign trail as he denounces the far left of “their”, not his party. And if he retains his seat in November where does that leave the DNC et al?
LIEberman is essentially a very typical liberal with a couple of reasonable positions on major issues. Dont be fooled into being sorry he lost!!
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
Dear Mark the Lib @ 9:49, we know you are too smart to really believe that we can declare peace in the middle east and that terrorists will lay down arms.
By JoeD
August 9, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
Realist: Nice attempt at distracting from the topic at hand. Your question is an empty one. We no more know who the Dems will put up in ‘08 than you do about the GOP candidate. We can debate their ideas at the appropriate time. Why does it have to be a saviour? Who is being saved? We want someone who is capable of critical thinking, of listening to other opinions, of adapting to changes in conditions and circumstances. Standing up all the time and saying it’s necessary work, but difficult work, just doesn’t cut it anymore with 60% of Americans. I suspect that number will do nothing but go up.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
@ Mark the lib
So is keeping the oil flowing a bad thing? Lets say for giggles that this entire war, and our presence in the mid east is about oil. Do you mean to stand there and tell me you would let your hatred for conservatives and George Bush and his supposed ties to the oil industry get in the way of the fact that indeed without the oil which we so greatly depend on, we would face an economic downturn that would make the great depression look like the dot com boom? Do you understand the consequences of an interrupted oil supply on this economy and our way of life? Sure, you libs can go and buy your hybrid cars and feel like you are doing your part, all at 55mph. But do you so any hybrid 18-wheelers, freight trains or jumbo jets out there anywhere? You guys would have us roll the dice and HOPE that it all works out peacefully. I prefer to have a say in how it turns out considering our EXISTENCE is at stake.
By Dana
August 9, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
Well I’ll be darned. I agree with Realist!
By Lee
August 9, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Freedom is a gift from our forefathers. The right to vote is a part of that gift. The right to buy votes is an invention of the left that was demonstrated eloquently in Conn. yesterday.
It is simply logical that the right to buy votes is the beginning of the end of freedom.
Freedom of speech is also part of that gift. Cybthia’s overexercise of that right brought a rational result to Ga. yesterday.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Realist,
That is a very good question. I know who I would like to run, and I am unsure who will emerge as the strongest candidate.
My choice, and indeed this is wishful thinking on my part, would be Al Gore.
I think he would focus more resources on developing alternative forms of energy and actively promote policy that would protect the environment.
The reason I would support an Manhattan Project style initiative regarding alternatives to oil is that we would then not be incestuously joined at the hip to governments I do not endorse, such as the Saudis.
No more overnights for Bandar Bush at the White House!
I have a friend who is a UCLA professor working on a project that so far has demonstrated that the vigorous pursuit of environmentally sound policies leads to economic progress. So, to grossly oversimplify, it pays to be green. I know that profit and revenue are the twin demigods of the right, so that ought to appeal.
I could go on and on, but even I am sufficiently reality-based to realize that Al Gore probably will not run.
Y’all have a lovely day and stay cool. Getting indignant in this heat is not good for one’s health.
By Jim's a Dummy
August 9, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
for jbmlaw @ 9:51…
What you’re arguing for there is exactly what we have…an authoritarian government that doesn’t care about the people it claims to represent.
In a Democracy it’s the will of the people that counts, not the corporate driven agenda of the politician who sold his soul in order to get elected.
A majority of people in this country do not want this war and do not support this president. Period.
By Dana
August 9, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
But I want to add to that: We know that changes must occur. We cannot continue our reliance on a product that is not renewable. And now is the time to begin, we cannot leave this bill for our children and grandchildren. We have no choice right now, but we HAVE to make sure they do!
By Mark the Lib
August 9, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
I don’t care who the nominee is, they will be an improvemnet of Dumbya and his band of liars and war-mongers. At this point we’ll have to wait and see who’s willing to run. Hopefully we won’t take the idiot route like Republicans did and elect someone because his name was familiar. If George Bush’s name was let’s say John Stanton, with his horrible track record in business and other areas of his life, would he have been elected?
By Realist
August 9, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Not a distraction Mark. I can talk about the fact that I personally like Frist and his views. Not that he would get elected or even nominated, but I can at least have the courage to talk about who I may support. I have yet to find a dem on here who has the courage to stand up and support ANYONE. The reason: there isnt one person on the dem radar that isnt an embarrassment.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
I like this screen name today too. What do y’all think?
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
poor poor deranged Rednecks … even by its usual standard of unhinged bigotry its latest outburst is especially imbecilic!!
“lynching” of the corrupt race baiting McKinney? HA HA HA HA HA HA
… you mean by all those blacks and some whites who DEMOCRATICALLY voted against her poisonous politics?
By Van
August 9, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
Polls are about as reliable as a coin toss.
With the liberal media running polls as news stories and telling the sheep that the war is unpopular, un-win-able or wrong, what do you expect?
The matter is what do we do? If we stay, the lefties say we are generating more terrorist, if we leave, whatever method you choose, we will create a vacuum and that will encourage even more terrorist.
It seems to be a lose-lose situation - or so the left wants us to think. By saying over and over that it is hopeless, we are following along as we did back in the early 70’s. Popular opinion pushing foreign policy, a sad state of affairs.
By Gary
August 9, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
Realist….You do know that we have in this country the largest supply of oil on the planet? It’s in the Colorado Rockies…..Oil Shale. There is well over 1.2 trillion barrels of oil in the shale that can be extracted. Now check that number again…. 1.2 TRILLION. We could tell the middle east oil to kiss off! Problem is, GW’s buddies are making too much profit off of foreign oil. If they had to get it from the shale it would cut into their billions in profits! Easier (and cheaper) to take someone else’s than to work for our own. Go to Wikipedia.com and do a search for Oil Shale it will enlighten you.
By JoeD
August 9, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
How about Mark Warner? Democratic governor in a strongly Republican state for two terms, and popular enough to get another Dem elected to replace him. He was successful because he knew how to work across the aisle with the Republicans who ran the legislature. What’s embarrassing about him?
By Bella
August 9, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
Maybe if we keep warring in the Middle East, radical Muslims will want to be our friends, start democracies everywhere and sing “Kumbayah” with Americans.
After all, things are going so well in Iraq…
Maybe instead of staying the course, maybe we need a new course, new leadership, forward-thinking Republicans & Democrats—not just a bunch of Bush loyalists.
I’m glad the 4th District finally saw through Cynthia McKinney. Perhaps America will finally see through our failing foreign policy in the Middle East.
Jim, will be out of a job come November…
By Mark the Lib
August 9, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
I’d take the Hilldabeast or Gore or Edwards. Those would be my first choices not necessarily in that order. Like I said I’m not sure who’s going to run but they couldn’t do any worse than than the current Buffoon-in-Chief. That being said, if the White house is DEM then the Congress needs to be Repub. One party rule has been terrible. The 90’s were terrific.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
Susan, I admire your courage to publically support Gore. I too hope he gets the nod, more than you know.
Also, the technology you speak of that could make a signifigant impact is 40 years away, minimum. So what would we (and our children and grandchildren) do in the interim? The terrorist threat against our way of life is at hand. Nobody can dispute that.
By Harold
August 9, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Lieberman chose to jump on the “kill as many Arabs as possible” bandwagon, so he richly deserved what he got. Dude made his bed. And now he is working for the Republican win. No surprise there. The only surprise is he didn’t jump parties on paper.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Gary,
With all do respect! You are being a little naive in blaming Bush and the oil companies for the lack of success in pursuing the development of oil shale. Who do you think will profit from the exploitation of oil-shale? The oil companies! The oil companies have been trying for years to pursue development of oil shale and increased oil proudction here. There is one huge problem! It is being blocked by Democrats in congress supported by the extreme “anti-capitalist” environmentalists. The same can be said for coal gasification and nuclear power! And they were around way before GW came into the picture.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Dana, as far as returning to politicians who care about the community, my first thought is to take away their salaries and the lifetime guarantee of income. Then let’s see how many want the job. However, I am not sure that would work because then it would only attract the ones who like to showboat. Perhaps another option is to set a limit like, say, half of the current salary of the elected candidate, and then that same amount for 3 years after they are unseated, giving them enough time to find another job and get back into the private sector. Maybe we could even get agreement with the private sector that these elected officials, once they return to the work-world, would not lose any time away from the job, or would get credit for time served in their elected roles, for purposes of calculating retirement benefits. Then regular people might actually want to try their hand at office and make some good government.
Let’s face it. Today’s politicians are all about money and power. If we want to reform the offices, we have to take away the money and power, without leaving the positions so poor that an average person couldn’t afford to take a turn in the office.
That’s my opinion.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
It is painfully obvious we need to reverse the course instead of staying the course.
The GOP are too greedy to govern this great country and there must be a Democratic majority for accountability.
Let us return to only worrying about a President getting laid instead of more destruction of the world.
Conservatives stay home in November for your country, your party has failed America.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
Gary, Im aware of our UNTAPPED oil resources. So answer this for me since you are so up on this topic. How long to put the infrastructrure in place to actually tap this oil and have it available for use thereby lessening our reliance on mid east oil?
Again, the threat is at hand NOW. We dont have the luxury of years of What If’s and If Only’s.
By Dusty
August 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
Well, at least we can better identify our bigot RedNecks. We already knew he hated the South but it turns out he’s NOT crazy about the whole country.
When his heroine Cynthia McKinney was not elected because she’s a “loose cannon”, he let all the blind hate come out.
He tries to blame it on the South but he is against just about everything American; war, troops, president, etc. etc. etc.
Like Cindy Sheehan. everywhere else is BETTER than this “blood thirsty” nation. But they are still HERE, taking advantage of every freedom.
Most people from south Georgia are real patriots. RedNecks is not one of them.
By George McGovern
August 9, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
“I’m fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.”
By sct
August 9, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
The reason popular opinion matters is when elections come up the PEOPLE in this country have the option of throwing people out of office.
Congress has an approval rating worse than the President. Some of you complain that both sides are out of touch with their constituency, but bemoan the fact that Lieberman lost his election.
I say throw the bums out.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
Susan, I too admire you for putting yourself out there on the Al Gore support. I’m not even going to slam you for it, although it’s tempting……. In fact, I’ll confess to you - I kinda wish Dan Quayle would come back in the picture on the Republican side. (White flag extended now - don’t hit me too hard.)
You’ve softened up a bit. I think we conservatives are starting to grow on you :-)
By Al Gore
August 9, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
has anybody seen my lockbox?
By Gorge Busch
August 9, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Your lockbox is in China. China is now in charge of the lockbox.
By RealDem
August 9, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Mr. Wooten. Once again you go on and on about the soul of the Democrats. Why?
Why don’t you explain YOUR people to us? You know, the Republican Congressmen that comprise the most ineffective Congress in the history of the United States. The Congress that ceded their responsibilities to lobbyists, a small group of policy makers, and the talking points of a couple of tax-supported PR firms. The Congress that abandonded its duty to provide oversight of the other two branches of government, that rubber-stamped bad policy after bad policy, and stands up only to defend itself, using half-truths and twisted logic, against the reality that everything they’ve touched has been AT BEST grossly mismanaged, and more likely, pilfered and squandered for their own personal gain. Mr. Wooten, you claim to be a conservative. Please tell us what YOUR guys have conserved?
We understand why you wish to distract us from the actions of those in power by analyzing and speculating on those NOT in power, but it’s getting old. Don’t you have anything PERTINENT to tell us?
By Gary
August 9, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
This is response to both Stewarts comments and Realist:
Oil shale has been used since ancient times and can be used directly as a fuel just like coal. The modern use of oil shale to produce oil dates to Scotland in the 1850s. In 1847 Dr James Young prepared lighting oil, lubricating oil and wax from coal. Then he moved his operations to Edinburgh where oil shale deposits were found. In 1850 he patented the process of “cracking” oil into its constituent parts. Oil from oil shale was produced in that region from 1857 until 1962 when production was cancelled due to the much lower cost of petroleum.
Estonia first used oil shale as a low-grade fuel in 1838 after attempts to distill oil from the material failed. However it was not exploited until fuel shortages during World War I. Mining began in 1918 and has continued since, with the size of operation increasing with demand. Two large power stations burning oil shales were opened, a 1,400 MW plant in 1965 and a 1,600 MW plant in 1973. Oil shale production peaked in 1980 at 31.35 million tonnes. However, in 1981 a nuclear power station opened in the nearby Leningrad region of Russia, reducing demand for Estonian shale. Production gradually decreased until 1995, since when production has increased again albeit only slightly. In 1999 the country used 11 million tonnes of shale in energy production, and plans to cut oil shale’s share of primary energy production from 62% to 47–50% in 2010.
Australia mined 4 million tonnes of oil shale between 1862 and 1952, when government support of mining ceased. More recently, from the 1970s on, oil companies have been exploring possible reserves. Since 1995 Southern Pacific Petroleum N.L. and Central Pacific Minerals N.L. (SPP/CPM) (at one time joined by the Canadian company Suncor) has been studying the Stuart Deposit near Gladstone, which has a potential to produce 2.6 billion barrels of oil. From June 2001 through to March 2003, 703,000 barrels of oil, 62,860 barrels of light fuel oil, and 88,040 barrels of ultra-low sulphur naphtha were produced from the Gladstone area. Once heavily processed, the oil produced will be suitable for production of low-emission petrol.
Below forty dollars a barrel, oil-shale oil is not competitive with conventional crude oil. If the price of oil were to stay permanently over forty dollars a barrel (with no chance of declining, which could be the case if oil shale were to be exploited on a large enough scale), then companies would exploit oil shale. Generally, the oil shale has to be mined, transported, retorted, and then disposed of, so at least 40% of the energy value is consumed in production. Water is also needed to add hydrogen to the oil-shale oil before it can be shipped to a conventional oil refinery. The largest deposit of oil shale in the United States is in western Colorado (the Green River Shale deposits), a dry region with no surplus water. However, the oil shale can be ground into a slurry and transported via pipeline to a more suitable pre-refining location.
By Dana
August 9, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Gary - I’d like to read more about that, where did you find your information?
By getalife
August 9, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
“I’m fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.”
Yes, indeed.
General Pace:
“The Shiite and the Sunni are going to have to learn to love their children more than they hate each other!”
Change that to : “The US and Israel and the Muslim world are going to have to learn to love their children more than they hate each other!”
Words to live by.
By White Jesus
August 9, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Barbara, is that really you?
By JoeD
August 9, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
RealDem, I think I can answer for Jim: school vouchers and permanent tax cuts. That about covers the horizon for the national GOP. Oh, and stay the course.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
“I have yet to find a dem on here who has the courage to stand up and support ANYONE.”
Realist, I know reading comprehension is a stretch, but please see my 10:02am post.
I Support Al Gore for President in 2008.
There, now I’ve ‘courageously’ stood up and supported Al Gore TWICE.
By Van
August 9, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
sct,
The problem with public opinion, it is easy swayed. Policy must be made with all evidence, both public facts and facts not in the public view - of course, the lefties want everything in the public view, all our secrets and methods.
How would public opinion had been if we all knew about the Manhatten project? Imagine the medias feeding fest with a bomb that can vaporized thousands of people in a flash.
Public opinion being so easily swayed, we now have the mind set, that we are bad people, we are wrong all the time, our military is the worse set of people that ever walked the earth. A ceremony celebrating US Marine Medal of Honor winners gets no coverage,Aug 6th, but we get continuing coverage of evrything wrong with our military.
By Gary
August 9, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
Note that last paragraph, the first sentence is the key factor. “Below forty dollars a barrel, oil-shale oil is not competitive with conventional crude oil.” Between the lines that means it isn’t as profitable in the short term therefore we (Big Oil companies) would have to give up our Billions in profits and 400 million dollar retirement packages. After all to heck with the fact that out country could face an economic disaster what about our profits? It always has and always will be the bottom line. If the fat cats want to put us in an economic disaster, they will, as long as the have half a billion in the bank when it happens they figure everything is fine.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
Gary,
Thanks for the Wikipedia paste. However, this article does not address the enviromentalists opposition to the process.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Dusty, just so you know, I am not from the South. It should be obvious - I am way too educated and intelligent to be a southron.
But you’re not educated, or intelligent - so how would you know?
I’m proud American by birth, not Southern by the Grace of God!
By Gary
August 9, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Dana…. wikipedia.com just type in “Oil Shale” in the search window on the page. It’s amazing and enlightening information.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
the alBore is a vainglorious nutcase - he is also an inveterate fantasy liar who invented the internet and was the inspiration for love story. In fact he actually beat sick willie in the I cant recall lies under oath when he was questioned about his sleazy role in the Bhuddist Temple fundraising scandal.
the alBore also lies and twists facts and presents half truths as irrefutable fact in his obsessive eco wacko crusade. Anyone who wants to see the alBore run for anything except his beloved slumlord TN hills must be pretty nutty. Most despicably he tried repeatedly tried to steal the 2000 election having lost to Bush in every single FL count!!
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Gary,
It’s a function of price! The oil companies are responsible to their shareholder’s first! Oil is above $40 a barrell right now, so it makes sense to use these alternative processes. I suggest you start lobbying your Democratic leaders to fight against the extreme enviromentalist segment in your party.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Barbara, I’m softer than you think. Kittens and wee bunnies and accessory dogs make me very happy. And certain shoulder birds I find quite amusing.
Accessory dogs: certain miniature dogs carried by celebrities in fetching designer totes.
Shoulder birds: parrots, cockatiels, cockatoos come to mind.
As an example of my softness, let me apologize for jumping down Realist’s throat: I read later that you did recognize my support for Al Gore. So, a humble bow n scrape for my error.
Barbara, I’m just not easy to pidgeonhole. We’re all getting to know one another and with that comes the interesting fact that none of us neatly fits in any stereotypical package. Personally, I know you’d be amazed to meet me in person. And that is part of what amuses me about the suggestions that I burn in hell, leave the country, put on a burka or whatever that a few of our denizens spew on any given day - they would no more say so in person than the man in the moon.
But make no mistake, I still stand by all opinions I have expressed here previously.
And now I really must away!
By Realist
August 9, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Our posts were 3 minutes apart. As you will note as you log into the blog area, there is a 5 minute delay on posts being seen. You may see them immediately, but we do not. Perhaps it is your reading comprehension that needs some work.
Now go find some other coffee clutchers to huddle around.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
Actually, you rednecks embarrass the hell out of me - and most decent people - your ignorant and stupid support of the chickenhawk Chimp-in-Chief sure makes it uncomfortable when you travel outside the US.
By Katie
August 9, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
Dear redneck Madness, please explain why you think you are “way too educated” while at the same time misspelling the word “southern.” You must try a little harder to plea your case.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Susan, Your apology is not required sweetcheeks. I was mocking you and the dems when I said I hoped Gore ran in 08. And only a complete ignoramus would stand up for that drone who couldnt even carry his own state!!
You really suck the fun out of it when I have to explain everything bit by bit.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
WJ, yes, it’s really me. The ID stealer seems to have given us a reprieve for the last few days. Unfortunately it’s a luxury that probably won’t last long. Why? Did I tickle your funny bone with my Dan Quayle confession?
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Katie, you sweet little stupid unsophisticated unread girl, “southron” is a term favored by many neo-KKKonfederates to indicate their southern roots and allegiance to The Lost Cause.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
I think Susan acurately reflects the thinking of our leftist friends (and I do not mean that as a slam - please, don’t anybody read it that way.) Dick Morris has just published a note, on a Drudge link, saying exactly that, that the anti-Lieberman Dems will turn to Gore (which makes my 8:29 “conspiratorial” last paragraph sound likely.)
Morris, in the same note, says Lieberman will retain 47 points of his 48% of the Dem vote and will add a substantial number of Republicans in November, to coast to an easy victory. Morris says that Lamont will not wear well, that he is all “hat” and no substance (i.e., a McKinney waiting to expose his defects.)
By White Jesus
August 9, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
The all knowing Dick Morris, who also predicted a John Kerry presidential win in 2004.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
Given the collective stupidity and ignorance of the people of Tennessee, why is it a knock on Gore that those Neanderthals and inbred idjits did not vote for him?
Katie, for the record I know how to spell idiots, so save your dictionary.com lookups for someone else.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Susan, I love cats! And I like most regular sized dogs, but those little “accessory dogs” disgust me. As for birds, I like wild ones, like hawks, songbirds, etc. I have about 8 different feeders in my yard! Any time we spend time getting to know folks we can find few things in common. But I still stand behind all of my opinions too!
As for the burkas, remember that idiot rednecks yesterday suggested I get one for every female in my family. But since he makes no effort to find common ground with people, I really couldn’t care less what he thinks….. Matter of fact, I feel sorry for him.
Have a good day.
By San Francisco Big Bear
August 9, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim, As a rational older liberal, I enjoy intelligent thinkers to the right of me like Mr. Wooten. You people spend SO much time at work blogging! Lived in Hotlanta for 10 yrs. loved it! ref. Iraq: we need to consolidate our losses and get the hell out of there. That is strategic retreat, not cut and run. Let our proxy, Israel, cont. to fight in the politics of oil. Either that or sell your SUV! More Blacks are dumping the race card players like McKinney and listening to Mr. Bill Cosby. Sen. Joe was out of touch w/his constituency on Iraq and other issues. Thanks for the early A.M. amusing reading, folks. Big Bear
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
I’m concerned (that’s a good leftist word, isn’t it?) that Redneck Madness seems so repeatedly pre-occupied with the writings of the KKK; I don’t know any rational person who follows such junk so closely. Perhaps that accounts for the unhinged posts?
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
“accessory dogs” …. HAAAAAAAARGG SPIT!!!!
You’re just trying to wind people up love in a very nasty and cynical way!! No normal person loves vile repugnant little yap dogs!!
Bush has a bloody scottie which is hardly a real dog - but its better than an “accessory”. Next you’ll be telling us you’re an ageing Paris Hilton clone!
I have several real pure bred dogs - 70lbs and up with advanced Schitzhund training in their immediate background.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
rednecks,
I have always struggled with this question.
I was born in Las Vegas, Nevada so am I a yankee or a redneck?
Your thoughts?
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
From today’s NY Times:
“According to interviews of voters leaving the polls Tuesday, Mr. Lamont appeared to be particularly popular with Democrats who opposed the war in Iraq, young people, African-Americans, liberals, and college graduates.”
No wonder you Wooten Bloggers don’t understand him, you warmongering old white conservative ignoranuses you!
Hehehe hohohohoho!
By Realist
August 9, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
It doesnt take a genius to know the dems are still angry and bitter over Flordia and the “hanging chads”. They have been consumed by it ever since, and will stop at nothing to go back in time and see it undone. Even if it means losing HUGE again by putting up that fat bearded buffoon. As ignorant and slow as Bush is according to Dems, Gore still looked worse in the debates. What would Gore do against a more polished candidate? Lose bigger!! What will the excuse be thsi time I wonder? Oh yeah, disenfranchisment. lol
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
I was born in Las Vegas, Nevada so am I a yankee or a redneck?
no Bush hating eunuch - you are a simpering leftist Elvis impersonator!!
By Van
August 9, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
redneck Madness
“…Neanderthals and inbred idjits did not vote for him?”
We didn’t like him, period. He was and is a bore, an elitist that thinks his stuff doesn’t stink.
Raised in the lap of luxury at a DC hotel, trying to connect with the common man - give me a break.
By Katie
August 9, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
redneck Madness: FYI - I was born in Katonah, New York and have lived in Georgia for the past 16 years. I attended Columbia University and have a masters degree. I don’t think that I qualify as “unread.” Why all the hatred and hostility? Life is way too short to be so miserable.
By RealDem
August 9, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Getalife, you’re an American. It doesn’t matter what the rednecks want to call you. They struggle enough keeping up with their own family trees. “Unka Daddy! Where’s Momma Sissy? Get OFF me, Daddy! You’re crushin’ my cigarettes!”
By getalife
August 9, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Now lies, that was uncalled for. Not all people in Vegas impersonate Elvis.
Once again, I do not hate W. I hate what he has done to our country.
Do the right thing and stay home in November.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
Thanks RealDem. LOL.
By Gary
August 9, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
Stewart,
“Exxon Chairman Gets $400 Million Retirement Package Amid Soaring Gas Prices
April 14, 2006— Soaring gas prices are squeezing most Americans at the pump, but at least one man isn’t complaining.
Last year, Exxon made the biggest profit of any company ever, $36 billion, and its retiring chairman appears to be reaping the benefits.
Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.”
Yep….it’s all about the shareholders alright.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
I love birds too. Every morning I watch a whole gaggle of birds stand around at thier driveways, little Johnny or Suzie in tow, clutching thier coffee mugs and no doubt discussing the issue of Iraq and mean old George Bush. Then I see a big old SUV come flying out of their garage with a big white W on the back bumper, tearing down the street as it blows exhaust fumes , small children and birds lurching and diving out of its way. Then I relax and smile, knowing the world will be ok afterall.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
Katie … redneck vermin is the resident deranged nutter. Its nothing personal - IT just does this tired old bigotry thang to inflame any one IT can every single day.
It even obsessively lied about being in “my” country - England for quite a while - as if IT could ever get a passport!!
Enjoy posting reciprocal abuse to IT - or not!
By Gary
August 9, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Katie,
Redneck can’t help it….they voted for GW and now it’s coming around full circle. You reap what you sew. They’re all just bitter and ticked off because he turned out to be as much of (if not worse) an idjit as them.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
I see realdimwit is witlessly projecting its own familial issues of inadequacy onto others again!!
By Realist
August 9, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
Gary, So how much of your paychecks and/or bonus’, assuming you get any, do you give back to society or to government?
By Katie
August 9, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
Thanks, time for the truth. All the while redneck Madness was making his case for hate, all I could feel was pity. BTW, there are rednecks throughout the entire world, not just in the southern United States. Maybe he should get out more.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
Big Bear @ 11:17, welcome, we look forward to crossing swords. You will find several other bright leftists here, so you will not be alone.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Katie … don’t pity IT - just enjoy the freebie abuse/bantering opportunity.
I am increasingly convinced that redneck vermin is in real life actually a John Birch Society troll having fun playing with the semiotics of bigotry and is in fact a die hard conservative playing the (admittedly self indulgent) role of a psychotic leftist political foil in order to push people into supporting non-liberal candidates. This rather unorthodox ploy seems to be working admirably so far!!
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Gary,
Do some research on the the increase in shareholder value during Raymond’s tenure. It’s billions! With that said, I believe that Raymond’s package was excessive. However if you consider the 21 millions of gasoline sold daily in the US, the $400 million package amounts to about half a penny per gallon of gas sold on a yearly basis. Yes profits are huge in the gas and oil industry right now, but the revenues are up as well. In other words, we’re still consuming in record amounts. The profit margins are still around 10%, which is has been historically. Do you know what the profit margins at Bank of America are? 30%! The littly tyrants in Iran and Venezuela have more to do with the price of gasoline than compensation packages.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Dear TFTT, please don’t be so hard on Susan. Our four dogs and our cat are all foundlings (our house has a big red sign that says “SUCKER”), and that includes one accessory dog.
By CBF
August 9, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
Katie: At one time I was a battler working for Georgia Belle Championship Wrestling - had to give it up after an auto accident injured my neck. I have challenged this “redneck” to meet me at the Atlanta airport and come to the ring where I can give him a good thrashing - don’t care if wrestling or fists - and he has come up with every lame way to deflect my challenge, usually some tired insult. Even with the injury I could teach him some common sense but he’d rather spew words. Funny how he used the word “chicken” in one of his infantile posts today! Hey redneck: Cluck, cluck, cluck!
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
TFTT, your 11:50 post is brilliant. I am persuaded.
By Katie
August 9, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this
I’m afraid you give him too much credit. This type of manipulation would take an incredible amount of thought, sophistication, and an exorbitant amount of intelligence. All of which he obviously lacks.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
I think rednecks is the kid I used to play dodgeball with in grade school and send him home to his trailer with red welts. Im sure of it.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
Getalife, my considerable research on the subject pretty much proves a redneck can be born anywhere - as an example, the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was born to college-educated parents in posh Connecticut surroundings, but is as big a redneck hillbilly as Toby Keith or Zell Miller.
“Redneck” is a degenerate mental and emotional condition/disease. Yes, it is most commonly found among southern whites (in many rural southern and western towns, the white population suffers almost 100% from the redneck affliction), but statistics will show that more and more African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and Latin-Americans suffer from this condition. No longer centered in the rural areas, the vast majority of rednecks populate the suburban areas of major southern and western (red state) cities, with one major exception, noted below.
Naturally, GOP voters suffer a much higher rate of redneck infection, although there are many in the Democratic Party - many black inner-city blacks suffer from the condition, although their skin coloration masks diagnosis. (Redneckism is characterized primarily by victimology, violence, anti-intellectualism, whininess, and a mob psychology). Of course, urban blacks have their societal roots in the rural south, which strongly indicates the cultural underpinnings of this affliction.
Most white rednecks have abandoned the Democratic Party since the 1960s when the GOP adopted a “US as victim” mentality that is very attractive to rednecks, people that seem congenitally unable to live in decent society or in productive community with others, due to their emotional dependence on hate, fear, and arrogance.
I’m sorry, but being born in Las Vegas, you are not a Yankee, unless your parents are Yankees and they made sure you were schooled in the Northeast or COASTAL California. So let’s deal with the other…
Las Vegas is indeed a hotbed of redneck culture - their Nirvana - a place where degenerate gamblers can mix with male and female prostitutes, where alcohol is given away - where “all you can eat” and “let it ride” are amongst the most popular phrases - yes, indeed, redneck Nirvana.
But - being born there - does that make you a redneck? Just being in Las Vegas can make one susceptible to redneck infection, but once again, redneck is a state of mindlessness and mental disorder - and while rural southerners and westerners suffer from a cultural predisposition for it, no one is automatically infected with it. (Although an a typical southern home environment - alcoholism, child and spousal abuse, incest, and a lack of reading materials - means many children face a life time of rednecktitude.)
You seem not to suffer from it, get. But be wary! Reading newspapers - even the AJC, but try real papers like the NY Times - heads off infection, as well as regular showers. Join a library and read a book or two a week, and you’ll probably never ever suffer from the ravages of redneckism. Avoid Faux News and NASCAR completely, and be extremely wary of country music - other than Dwight Yokum (sp?) and the Dixie Chicks, and perhaps Hank Williams (NOT his son) the stuff will rot your mind and your morals. Additionally, while televangelists and mega-church services can be quite entertaining and usually hilarious - if you ever send or give one money - SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP IMMEDIATELY!
I hope this helps. In your case, you needn’t worry too much.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
I think rednecks is the kid I used to play dodgeball with in grade school and send him home to his trailer with red welts. Im sure of it.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
If I don’t start helping the man of the house and get off this computer, he may have to raise his voice. We’ve got work to do chez les Liberals menage a deux. Or menage a quatre, should you count two felines.
*A thought occurred to me. Methinks TFTT and Rednecks-AA are one and the same.
I think one chap is having us on. Thoughts? Comments?*
By Gary
August 9, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Nice try at changing the subject but the info posted about Lee Raymond is what it is.
Do I get bonuses, no. I work a regular job like everyone else.
Do I donate anything? Where should I start…Holidays?….Tsunami aid…Katrina relief….Habitat for Humanity, to name a recent.
Tell me Realist….how much of your time and financial efforst do you donate?
That should be interesting reading.
Stewart,
It still doesn’t change the fact that they could have given Raymond a $100 million retirement package and put the other $300 million back into the company to lower costs expenses etc… Also FYI, the cost of gas isn’t skyrocketing in other countries around the world only here in the USA.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Wow, I had no idea you were an expert on rednecks. Very nice.
You have answered my question and I feel better about myself.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Susan, from you - the most unkind and lowest blow of all. Comparing me with Time For The Toilet???
We are through!
By CBF
August 9, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
More words, redneck? C’mon down, you pencil-neck geek!
By Jim Wooten
August 9, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
San Francisco Big Bear, welcome to the discussion. If some compelling reason pulled you from Atlanta, San Francisco is a wonderful place to land, especially if you’re into liberal politics.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
getalife, if you need rednecks insane rambling to make yourself feel better, you’ve got a real problem.
By Mark
August 9, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
Cynthia, why can’t you just shut up. We real Georgians are sick of you and your embarassing ways. You and your posse need to be jailed for all of your many crimes and assaults. Ding dong the witch is gone. Good luck Hank! I hope your mind is capable of reaching beyond the color of your skin. Cynthia’s thought processes didn’t go past the color of her skin.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
The oil company profits are up because of record demand, not some conspiracy or price gouging you leftist like to ramble on about. Exxon is a business, and has every right to show profits and pay bonuses. The government is in thier back pockets enough beleive me.
As far as my donations, I will leave you with this quote:
By Joe
August 9, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
WXIA-TV appears to be trying to cover up the scuffle one their own reporters encountered with one of McKinneys’ thugs she surrrounds herself with and then again after midnight Tuesday it happened again, again with very limited news coverage. They are giving us minimum tidbts of news coverage about the two incidents. What we will hear a lot of is racism and voter fraud in south DeKalb, from her big mouth and her thug baited camp. If this were any city other than Atlanta this would be bigger news, but this is Atlanta afterall. As a resident of North DeKalb I no longer have the insane, criminal thug representing me; I thank God and the voters of the 4th District for this. I can’t see her doing much on a local level, her support and money is from out of state. I saw the McKinney supporters, they are not the kind of people that can finacially support her and her whaco agenda, hopefully now she fades away. Andrew Young, your benign endorsement just shows you’re a nutcase too and very, very ineffective with your endorsement. It was worth what, about four votes? Andrew ask yourself, was it worth it to be associated with her thug camp?
By dishwalla
August 9, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Hey redneck Madness - just like my 5 year old son says, “It takes one to know one.” You must possess the complete unabridged dictionary on the art of being a Redneck. I do believe that if a person proclaims to be an expect on a particular subject then they truly qualify to be included in that classification.
By Watta Load
August 9, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Hey Van, where was your criticism of public opinion when all the gay marriage hoopla was going on?…I seem to remember one of your comments as “the people have spoken..get over it”. I guess public opinion matters as long as that opinion is the same as yours…hypocrite.
By Cynthia McKinney
August 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
My new career slogan:
paper or plastic?
By Markus
August 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Goodbye Jihad McKinney! You’ll be missed! Anybody catch that “scuffle” that happened last night at Kamp Moonbat McKinney after the smackdown defeat? They’re all a bunch of arm-flailing over-emotionalized nuts. Once again, the freakshow of political cinematography is blaming voting “irregularities” on losing. Is it written somewhere in liberal demoncrat dogma that if a wingnut lib loses an election, FRAUD must have happened? Maybe Muhammadette McKinney will spend her time with a Huffingtonpost-type blog where all the other moonbats can spit their Bush-let-9/11-happen venom. I can see the headlines from those nutbags now: “Bush had the WTC blown up by strategically placed charges.” “Those airliners that were allegedly hijacked and crashed elsewhere are hidden in a remote area of Nevada and it’s passengers are in a secret government program.” “Osama bin Laden secretly visited the White House three days before 9/11.”
Moonbatis operandis:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20060807/cmrcp/mckinneysblack_panthers
Regarding Lieberman, please go further left wingnuts! Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords went Independent from the Republican party, so what’s the big deal? One would have thought this was the Democratic presidential nomination or something based on who was for and against the Iraqi war. I hardly, HARDLY consider electing someone with ZERO political experience over a veteran as a victory majorly (but not solely) on the Iraqi War.
Speaking of Iraq, one poll shows a 60% disapproval rating. BFD. You poll a little over 1,000 people, ask them questions you want them to answer in YOUR way, and then run it as reflective of the entire US. Bullshyte.
Hey Susan, White Jesus, Redneck Liberal: I’m still WAITING on your reply to my reply about my “assignment” on white males and sexual crimes, liberal ladie SWEETHEARTS.
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2006/08/07/endthecar_tax.html#comment-598143
By Mark
August 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
I just saw Ned Lamont’s victory speech. He was standing on a stage and who was behind him. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. That’s the perfect campaign poster. I am sure that having those 2 racists will really help him win the Senate seat.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Gary
Stewart,
It still doesn’t change the fact that they could have given Raymond a $100 million retirement package and put the other $300 million back into the company to lower costs expenses etc… Also FYI, the cost of gas isn’t skyrocketing in other countries around the world only here in the USA.
Gary, I think I agreed with you that his package was excessive. My point is that it is not the reason for high gas prices. Also, you are wrong, gas prices are rising in Europe as well. On a percentage basis, you are right they are not rising as fast..For instance an increase from $2 per gallon to $3 (here in the US) is a 50% increase. Where in Europe an increase from $6 to $7 per gallon is only a 17% increase. This is because taxes make up a much higher component in the price of gasoline in Europe. Also, part of the increases in prices here have to do with refining capacity. There has not been a new refining facility built in the US in over a decade and add that to the fact that Hurricane Katrina is still effecting refining capacity. Also add to the fact that the oil industry has to produce up to 90 different fuel mixes in the US. ONe type for California, one for rural GA, one for metro Atlanta, etc. etc. There are many variables going into the price of gasoline.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Babs,
No problems mate.
Here allow me to share a pic from Lamont’s victory speech
Things are getting better.
By Gary
August 9, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Pretty much what I expected. Typical predictable and cliche. As has been the administration for the past 6 years. The suit fits and you wear it well.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Get, it looks like Fox is finally going to let Hannity get out of the closet…
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Markus, I’m sure your Klavern appreciates all the research you’ve done in your effort to defend white rapists. But not me, sorry.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
jmblaw … Susan, who has rather suspiciously stopped being ‘Nazi Susan’ - (at least for now - grin) thoroughly deserves being upbraided for her tiny dog keeping predilections but most of all for her extremely harrowing, deeply flawed defence of the alBore. Little yap dogs I (grudgingly) suppose are perhaps OK in their place, just so long as its not my front porch, or within earshot or rifle sight - my neighbours have a pair of Jack Russells from hell!!
AS for redneck vermin’s graceless response to fascist Susan’s (see my humble spirit of conciliation continues apace) blatant goading re: the alleged melding of our respective diametrically opposing cyber personalities … i.e. redneck vermin and I are indeed one and the same - clearly the changeling (archaic use only) redneck vermin needs to bow down on bended, supplicant knee and demand that Allah indeed instantaneously bestow upon IT such a myriad of blessings!!
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
“degenerate gamblers can mix with male and female prostitutes”
AT LONG LAST … a tangible familial/genetic clue to redneck vermin’s genealogy!!
By Katie
August 9, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
time for truth - You remind me so much of Dennis Miller - Hey Dennis! Is that you? If so, you are awesome. If you’re not Dennis Miller, you’re still awesome. You have a way with the “diatribe.”
By Markus
August 9, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Hey Redneck Liberal Madness:
Don’t start something you can’t finish, coward. BTW, go back and tell me where I “defended” rapists. If anything, you candyassed anti-gun limpwristed liberals out there tell me I can’t even SHOOT THEM! According to you jackasses, I must only call 911 for my defense!
Now go crawl back into the sewer with the rest of your RAT friends and pop back out when Muhammad McKinney starts arm-flailing and mouthing off like Aunt Esther.
Oh, and GET A JOB.
By Sara
August 9, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
They put a forced smile on her face, they put her in an expensive tailored suit with pretty blue eye shawdow and had her smile at the media, but it still evident all along, a dressed up pig is still a pig. McKinney’s new career can be a straight out of jail rapper; she has the attitude and she has the thug base. Did you see the not one but two separate assaults her ‘people’ carried out yesterday. Void of a message, void of class the broken down McKinney machine sputtered and crawled over the finish line only to be handed a huge defeat. She didn’t even overwhelmingly carry South DeKalb, now thats progress in the right direction. Any and all residents of the 4th District deserve so much better than McKinney and band of assault thugs. AJC, investigate the peoople who surround her, my sources tell me she has some very interesting people in her close circle. People who could be very news worthy. You think the assaults yesterday were their first? Hardly not.
By Cynthia McKooney
August 9, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
Someone……in dis room……hit my babby daddy, er I mean my assistant tonight!
By SW
August 9, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Campbell in prison and McKinney out of Congress. I told the wife we may consider living in Atlanta again.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Dish, I grew up in upstate NY not far from Katie’s origins, and I can assure, I’ve had to deal with rednecks all my life. The difference between NY state and Georgia is there a much larger % of rednecks here, and the rednecks don’t run the government (except, of course, the Feds). Many of the kids I went to school with were rednecks.
But my house was different - my dad an engineer, my mother a Latin teacher - they never hit each other, and us only on the rarest occasions, and I never saw either of them drunk. Learniong to read at the age of 3, we had thousands of books, while my redneck friends’ homes had maybe 3 or 4. We had library cards, and a newspaper delivered to our home. On the weekends, my Dad would buy 2 papers on Saturday, and 3 on Sunday - yes, the NY Times was one of them. Before and after Mass was spent reading newspapers. By the time I was 7 I had read more books and newspapers than most rednecks read in a lifetime.
We bathed every day. My mother kept our clothes and house cleaned, and from the time we were 5, the expectation was we would pitch in.
My point is, I grew up around rednecks, but that does not make me one of them. My story should give hope to you all.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Katie … cheers for the astute, kind words, unfortunately Dennis Miller is not me, nor vice versa. The English accent, among other things is a bit of an instant giveaway.
Redneck vermin I understand you have recently made medical history as America’s only living brain donor!! Clearly this instantly made you leadership material in moveon.org!! Ask George Soros for a salary advance so you can buy some new rubber sheets and industrial strength clorox for that pesky liberal bedwetting problem you’ve had since childhood!!
By JoeD
August 9, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
How sad. For awhile, this was an interesting blog with some good ideas making the circuit. Then, the inane, childish name calling and insulting starts and it just takes over the whole blog. You people need to grow up and learn how to discuss serious issues like adults. You can attack Cynthia and Jesse and Al and the truth is you are no better. You don’t use the race card, you use the stupid card, or the redneck card, or the pinko card, or on and on and on ad nauseum. Grow up.
By Bill O'Reilly
August 9, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
I’m gonna grab that whatcamacallit…fallafel…well I’m goint to grab that fallafel and rub you all over down there.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
CBF and Markus, making physical threats in cyberspace…
How silly. How stupid. How redneck.
By rarringt
August 9, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Afternoon all,
Stewart said
The oil companies have been trying for years to pursue development of oil shale and increased oil proudction here. There is one huge problem! It is being blocked by Democrats in congress supported by the extreme “anti-capitalist” environmentalists. The same can be said for coal gasification and nuclear power!
That’s not correct, Stewart, and I’m guessing you know that. Congress has been under the GOPs full control for 4 years now. They could declare martial law (a procedural matter by which they bring a bill to the floor for a vote without debate) and use their simple majority to pass anything under the sun. The dems, who lack the votes, would be powerless to stop them.
That’s the reality on the hill when one party has 1) clear control and 2) a unified power structure.
Trouble is, moderate GOPers also realize the problems with shale recovery projects.
First, it’s not like “traditional” drilling where you stick a drill in and then pump out. Shale recovery is more like strip mining, and would screw up literally millions of acres of land.
Second, shale doesn’t produce much oil, and what is recovered is of comparatively lower quality. Further the recovery technology is still crude, resulting in a relatively low energy harvest. Simply put, it takes almost a gallon of oil to produce a gallon from shale.
GOP moderates (and their corporate patrons) know it’s far easier to take middle eastern oil, which is cheaper and of much higher quality, than to try and push through land scarring legislation in UT, CO, ID, WY and MT, which are, incidentally, all red states. As far as the loss of life is concerned, well that can be eliminated by simply going and buying more yellow ribbons.
By Andrew in Phoenix
August 9, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
I do get sick and tired of conservatives who dismiss opponents of the Bush administration and the Iraq War as “crazy antiwar liberals”. Conservatives have nothing to offer other then to sling mud and engage in partisan hate against people conservatives don’t agree with. I’m glad Sore Loserman lost. He is a traitor to the Democratic cause.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Rednecks, I think you left out the part where your daddy burned you with his cigarette.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
Dear Andrew, we are all sorry you are sick and tired - you obviously need a long rest. Peculiar hearing a leftist talk about “traitors” - surely you are not questioning Lieberman’s patriotism?
By Bill O'Reilly
August 9, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
What you call “traditional drilling” (stick a drill in and then pump out, I call my “No Spin” technique.
I love to bring young, vulnerable interns into my No Spin Zone and show them this famous patented technique…
By Cletus Snow
August 9, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
Goodby Cynthia We’re going to miss your rants and raving,the people have spoken,they have seen the light and Hanks holding it.Maybe you and your friend Cindy can go camping in Texas,they can use a few more dingbats.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
rarrington,
Why do you think it has been difficult for the Republican congress to start production in Anwar? After all, most republicans support it and so do the leaders in Alaska?
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
If you knew who my daddy is you’d know he’s not a smoker.
Now if anybody knew who your daddy is, maybe your mama could have married him and you wouldn’t be a stupid silly barseturd.
Just stupid and silly.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
redneck vermin - any chance of you moving to Lynchburg TN??
you may have come from a middle class yankee religious background although that fantasy is more likely simply just the same kind of prevarication as your infamous Orbitz/Travelocity driven ‘English sojourn fantasy’ down in Ty Ty S. Georgia was.
Either way, why the witless anal obsession? Why try and “spin” your background to total strangers who could care less and are only here to laugh at and wittily abuse you - albeit SOLELY IN RESPONSE to your unremitting twisted poison against white southerners?
Its been going on for what already seems like several years now!!
Any chance of it stopping??
By Andrew in Phoenix
August 9, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, people with your attitude are the reason America is going down the toilet. Fascists like yourself make Americans the ugliest people on earth.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
Speaking of ugly
By Virgil Tibbs
August 9, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Mr. Endicott,
I’ve already slapped you once in front of a worldwide audience. Don’t make me do it again, you old, dillusional, ignorant, racist bum.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
redneck vermin … see how easily you bite!!! Realist had you going effortlessly there - admittedly it wasn’t a very nice image, but you only seem to respond to a certain level of nastiness, and many of us are all quite happy to oblige the (unconscious) needs of your manic low self esteem.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
As a show of conciliation to poor, worn-out Andrew @ 1:04, I have determined to cease referring to opponents of the Bush administration and Iraq War as “crazy antiwar Liberals.” Henceforth, I will address them as “deranged anti-freedom Leftists.”
By Jim Wooten
August 9, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
Please don’t respond to trolls.
JoeD at 12:54 is correct. Trolls are the death of constructive debate.
And rarringt, welcome back. Your absence has been noted.
And Katie, TFTT is not Dennis Miller, but he does entertain and inform. A number of our contributors could write Dennis Miller’s material.
And when jbmlaw speaks, it is with some authority. He is the AG-in-waiting, practicing his arguments here for defense of the administration’s policies when my band of right-wingers comes to power.
By Virgil Tibbs
August 9, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
Mr. Endicott,
Actually you tried to slap me first, so it was self-defense.
You can say what you want, but I still slapped your punk a$$ in front of a worldwide audience. Kind of humiliating, huh?
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Come to think of it, I don’t think I ever called anyone a crazy antiwar Liberal. I think I use the more efficient term “moonbat.”
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
funny how the ignorant simpleton Andrew ignores the genocidal red chinese commies who have oppressed and butchered Tibetans and others for 50 years or so, plus the equally vicious Cubans, Iranians, Syrians, N. Koreans, Burmese, sundry afriKan and S ameriKan dictators etc. Yet this half wit emptily asserts that Americans are the “ugliest people in the world”, even though Americans have FREED more folks on the planet than anyone else!!
This is why I despise and laugh at ignorant hypocritical lefties whose irrational hatred of Bush et al utterly abrogates any sense of logical/factual perspective.
Stay there in Arizona matey - and dont ever travel north!!
By The Doctor
August 9, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
Yes TFTT. I beleive your diagnosis is spot on. Manic low self esteem, delusions of grandeur, and marked feelings of inadaquacy. I think institutionalization is in order for redneck vermin.
By Amelia
August 9, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
What should deranged right wing lunatics be called jbmlaw? Stevie Wonder?
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
Andrew, please do not feel inhibited by my invective; most of our leftist friends tune that out, or give back better than I offer. If you have any thoughts or arguments, we truly wish to hear those. Do not expect a free pass, however.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
Call us the majority or ruling party Amelia. Because heaven knows anyone who supports the war or the President is a deranged lunatic right liba-femanazi?
By Amelia
August 9, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Ray Charles? Three blind mice? Little Blind Melly Jellies, or maybe Georgie Porgies Ostrich crew.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, Amelia. Fair question - you could call us “jbmlawyers”
By Mark
August 9, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
Thanks, I am considered a troll because I am tired of Cynthia and her antics. Nobody is making her act like that. Al and Jessie, they show up for the cameras. I comment on it and I am a troll. I read this paper everyday. Calling your readers names is pretty bad off. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean you should call me a name unless it is true. As in me calling Jessie and Al racist. Thats not trolling. Their actions everyday prove my point. I’ll debate the lack of merits that Cynthia, Al and Jessie bring to the table any day. Hey Mr. Wooten, why don’t you try assaulting a police officer and see where it lands you. Let’s speak of some more truths. I’ve two words for Al. Tawanna Brawley. Here is a trivia question for the Cynthia supporters. What percentage of votes did she miss during her terms in congress? Here’s a hint. It’s a big number. I am willing to debate this all day long. The truth is on my side.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
Actually doc … its more unfounded delusions of adequacy that seems to be the problem!!
By Realist
August 9, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
By the way bloggers, I would be remiss if I didnt wish a happy 61st birthday to the post-plutonium Nagasaki today!!!
And to Syria and Iran, your birthday is coming REAL soon!
By Amelia
August 9, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
LOL! Ok jbmlaw. I thought that maybe one would have to be blind to not see the failures of GW and crew.
By Mark
August 9, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this
While I am trolling, I want to point out a few problems on the other side. I am sick of this war too. I think that we should have a heavier hand in Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran. I also think that diplomatically we should reach out to our neighbors. We should be trying to help Cuba and its Leader, not going against them. They are our neighbors. Reaching out to the Chinese as well would help. Bush is doing a poor job. But not nearly as poor as Cynthia. My opinion is they should both go. I’d support a McCain Lieberman ticket anyday. Oh, but wait, I’m just trolling.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
Amelia (or Susan, if you are still around), I regard you as a fair arbiter, even though your perspective differs from mine. I thought my 1:10 post was clever, but it inflamed Andrew. Do I owe him an apology?
By Amelia
August 9, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
By Realist
August 9, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
Call us the majority or ruling party Amelia. Because heaven knows anyone who supports the war or the President is a deranged lunatic right liba-femanazi?
GW has insured that we won’t be calling it the majority party much longer.
By George
August 9, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this
The Dems may have inadvertantly killed their chances for controlling the Senate. Lieberman will win election as an independent, and the Dems could fall one seat short of control of that body.
Would that be hilarious or what?
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
Hopefully, this black woman leaving government soon…
[Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has become increasingly dismayed over President Bush’s support for Israel to continue its war with Hezbollah.
State Department sources said Ms. Rice has been repeatedly stymied in her attempts to pressure Israel to end strikes against Hezbollah strongholds in Lebanon. The sources said the secretary’s trip to the Middle East last week was torpedoed by the Israeli air strike of a Lebanese village in which 25 people were killed.
“I’ve never seen her so angry,” an aide said.
The U.S. response to the Israeli-Hezbollah war was said to have divided both the administration as well as the family of President George W. Bush. At the same time, it marked the first time since Ms. Rice became secretary of state that the president has overruled her.](http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Condi4.htm)
By Amelia
August 9, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
jbm, you do not owe an apology. Joe Lieberman is one of the good guys. A patriot and a true moderate. We need guys like that.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
Joe is embarrassing himself, his party and the people he represented. He should bow out gracefully like a man but he is showing his true self. It is not all about Joe. Let it go Joe.
Joe is irrelevant like the GOP. No credibility. Do the country a favor GOP, stay home in November so we can clean up your mess.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
Our boy Realist in Bombingham celebrates Nagasaki Day - those Alabama boys love bombing folks, ‘specially if they ain’t white.
Animal trash.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
trolls are being discriminated against … and are always being stereotyped in the leftist media.
trolls must be immediately be given freedom and full civil rights, and offered the right to marry in all states - no discriminatory civil unions for trolls, they must be allowed - even with inferior grades to automatically jump ahead of whites in college selection, trolls must also be given automatic access to preferential fast track citizenship, even if trolls are here illegally and have abused the health care system and avoided paying taxes.
Its a tough world out there for trolls, we need to stand together and defeat the oppressive leftist vermin who stand in our way.
FREEDOM FOR TROLLS
TROLLS ARE HUMANS TOO
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR TROLLS
DEATH TO THOSE WHO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST TROLLS
cont on p.96
By Jim Wooten
August 9, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
Mark, I welcome your participation and while I took down a comment I thought racially offensive, I did not allege that you are a troll. Clearly I don’t know who they are or I’d do by best to block them. They kill conversation and drive people away.
My standards for comment, as I’ve explained before, are pretty loose. I enjoy the give-and-take that occurs here. I think we should hear what’s truly in each other’s head and heart without a censor present trying to package words or thoughts for political correctness. But it drifts over the line, people leave.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
You know Jim, Mike has a cute cartoon today and you’ve still got over twice as many posts on your blog. As the only one who ever posts anything intelligent or original on this blog, you’re welcome.
By the way, did you get that other postcard?
By Richard W. Mills
August 9, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
Thank God the McKinney era is coming to a rapid close!! This woman has done more damage to the Democratic Party than I ever thought possible. She really is a despicable human being with a very pompous attitude. Also, she has helped divide this city like no other politician of recent memory. Good riddance, McKinney, and please don’t try to come back!!!
By Mark
August 9, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
to get a life: I ask this question in all seriousness. Joe Lieberman only disagrees with the entire democratic party about 5-10% of the time. The other 90-95% of the time he tows the line. Are you telling me that he has no credibility because he disagrees with you on 5 out of 100 issues? He was the Vice Presidential Candidate and now a few years later, he has no credibility? When I was in the Navy and stationed in Connnecticut, I always felt he did a decent job. He and I are at differing opinions closer to 50% of the time. But you are willing to throw him under the bus because really, you disagree with him, not on 5-10% of the issues, you only disagree with him on 1 issue and that’s the war. This nation can’t survive with that sort of loyalty.
By Amelia
August 9, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
By getalife
August 9, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
Joe is embarrassing himself, his party and the people he represented. He should bow out gracefully like a man but he is showing his true self. It is not all about Joe. Let it go Joe.
Au contraire! I hope Joe runs and wins as an independent. Maybe that will give other good candidates the courage to break from the two parties and go after the white house. We need a third party that represents the moderate majority. GO JOE GO!!!
By Nick
August 9, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Thoughts …
There sure must be a lot of “crazies” in Connecticut. Over a hundred thousand of them. And with support for the war dwindling across the country (as already noted by recent polls), well, the crazies are everywhere!
Lieberman was up against a “perfect storm” of political adversities. He was running in a very liberal state (which he hasn’t been since his failed 2004 bid for the White House), he’s very chummy with the current president, and citizens are by and large very anti-Congress right now. Oh, and then there was some crazy issue about a war in Iraq.
It’s simple. The “stay the course” method of conducting this war is failing. To suggest otherwise is to ignore all of the facts of the war. Do I think Lamont or others like him have a strategy for winning this war? No, I don’t. But at least he recognizes that what we’re doing is not working. That’s a start. Politicians on either side of the fence are going to start falling out of power as long as they maintain everything is a-ok where the war is concerned.
I think 2008 is going to shake out the same way. Which party is going to actually have a plan to fix the mess we’ve created over there? At this point, I don’t care which party wins as long as they get results.
By Toad
August 9, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this
We, the voters, don’t decide on the VP candidate. The presidential nominee does. Al Gore picked Lieberman to distance himself from Clinton, which was a big mistake. So the fact that Lieberman was the VP candidate does not mean he was the Democrats’ darling.
By time for the truth
August 9, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Mark, getatiny brain poses here as a troll like ‘independent’, yet his virulently anti-GOP posts are frequently moveon.org type material. His positions are not important either way of course, free speech and all that. But the intellectual dishonesty is incredible - he simply wont admit to being a leftist liberal even though 95% of his recent political posts are of the left. And could easily be written by the likes of Sheehan/Pelosi or the obsese treasonous tub of lard Moore. Its hilarious watching him squirm and avoiding this though!!
By Jim Wooten
August 9, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Redneck, no other postcard. And yes you do keep it lively and, when you turn serious, your words carry weight.
By CBF
August 9, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Hey, Jim, good day to ya’! A neck-breaker or a camel-clutch hold on that redneck would carry weight too!
By getalife
August 9, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
My goodness(Rumsfeld said),
Rove called Joe to volunteer to help Joe. Joe was part of the rubber stamp Congress to get where we are today. Joe lied and blamed Lamont for his website failure to to his incompetence. Joe supports staying the course when Iraq is in the middle of a civil war and they allied with Iran.
Joe is a Republican. Joe lost. Goodbye Joe and good riddence.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
My head hurts from trying to hammer the same point into incapable minds. When we talk about stay the course, it has more meaning that just the Iraq invasion and ousting of Saddam. For heavens sake why cant you see that. I think everyone including Bush has conceded again and again that the IRAQ war has faced many challenges and has failed in many ways. But to the greater end, we are facing a global war on terror that exists in many other (surrounding) areas of Iraq. We are in prime position not only to honor our comittment to the troops and the newly formed Iraqi government, but also maintain the ability to deploy personnel and armour at a moments notice in the very likely event we are called upon. The terrorist/Islamists are not going to lay down in defeat if we withdraw. Do we really want to wake up to another WTC event on the morning news or do we keep the hammer down and keep them on the run until we are certain of some sort of stability that allows us to withdrawl sensibly and slowly? You guys are missing it on this one gigantically…..
By getalife
August 9, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Realfake,
It hurts my head constantly repeating the obvious. The neocon agenda has failed. Iran won the Iraq war and the Iranian plan to unite the Muslim world is working thanks to the war in Iraq and the war in Israel. We are not in position to do anything because our troops are worn out along with the equipment. Russia and China back Iran.
Our borders and ports are not secured and the DHS is a joke. I can’t go on there is too much to list it is depressing that I have to state the obvious for the blind and my head hurts.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
@jbmlaw, No apologies needed re your earlier question. And frankly, for what it’s worth, I really respect the foundlings welcome policy at the jbm household.
I may disagree with you on some very significant issues. But I do think you are a decent human being.
Now, I’m becoming concerned about Markus. He’s showing signs of increasingly anti-social behavior. I think he would really like to shoot someone and feels unduly restricted by Georgia law.
Markus, my next assignment for you: go find a shooting range. You can fire away at paper targets imprinted with your enemy of choice. It’s a lot of fun and if you practice for a long time, you’ll find that the venom wears out at about the same time as your arm does.
“If anything, you candyassed anti-gun limpwristed liberals out there tell me I can’t even SHOOT THEM! According to you jackasses, I must only call 911 for my defense!”
Just one question, Markus.
If you were given a chance to shoot me, and there would be no legal consequence to shooting me, would you do it?
Let me rephrase the question—you would face no legal consequence and no one would ever know that you shot me?
Just curious.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
bang!
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
Get, Realist is a True Believer in Lost Causes. He was buffoon and loser enough to wear a Johnny Reb uniform to his engagement.
He only learns the hard way. He’s a natural born killer and idiot.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 9, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
A vote for Hillary = National Security. WAIT! Here me out: Fight fire with fire. She’s such a megalomaniac, she’d scare the bejesus outta Kim Jong Il Kim: How about I position my nukes toward Japan? Hillary: How ‘bout I position my foot right up your @ss? All you need is Bill in the background going “for the love of God Kim, she’ll really do it!” and we got Mutually Assured Destruction all over again…gotta think “outside the box” on these things…
By Realist
August 9, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
No, Im a true believer in MY OWN beliefs. I dont sit around spewing facts I read at moveon.com or some other lefty rag. I am what I am, and there are multi-millions like me. And Id probably give you a good correction if I ever got the chance friend. You are badly in need of one.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Let us listen to General Clark a military man: You see, despite what Joe Lieberman believes, invading Iraq and diverting our attention away from Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden is not being strong on national security. Blind allegiance to George W. Bush and his failed “stay the course” strategy is not being strong on national security. And no, Senator Lieberman, no matter how you demonize your opponents, there is no “antisecurity wing” of the Democratic Party.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Where do you get your propaganda realfake? Rush? Hannity? Fox?
Tell me.
By Blog Dawg
August 9, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this
Excuse me, Mr. Wooten, but what is the mission of our troops in Iraq?
By Dusty
August 9, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
Well, today we had some GOOD NEWS that has long been suspected. RedNecks was not born in the South. NOT BORN IN THE SOUTH!!
RedNecks got his hate genes somewhere else. Maybe we could deport him across the Mason Dixon line. The trouble is, there is not another state in the Union that would take him.
C’est la vie. You win a little and you lose a little.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
I believe you mean to say, Ret. Gen Wesley Clark, or political hopeful Wesley Clark. Either way, he has his on ambitions and is merely pandering to the far left as we would expect. Thats the sad part, you are a party of extremist where guys more toward the center like Joe get trampled upon. Just remember revenge is a dish best served cold.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
Realfake is listening to lying W.
Dusty,
Laissez les bons temps rouler.
By Nick
August 9, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
No, Im a true believer in MY OWN beliefs. I dont sit around spewing facts I read at moveon.com or some other lefty rag. I am what I am, and there are multi-millions like me. And Id probably give you a good correction if I ever got the chance friend. You are badly in need of one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
By Tommy
August 9, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
Jim my friend, your insight about Tuesday’s election results were right on the money, as usual. Although I disagree with Senator Lieberman on many issues, he has always been a gentleman. He knows the key issue today is the destruction of terrorism. For that, I mourn his loss and hope he will win as an independent candidate. As for Rep. McKinney, her far, far left radicalism finally paid off —for her opponent. Residents of the Fourth District have gained a liberal-moderate voice in the U.S. House. I am not confident conservatives will win the House or Senate this fall. The almost rabid national news media coverage of Bush policies have done tremendous damage. The rather obvious missteps and sometimes odd policies of Republicans, even “conservatives,” have hurt their conservative base; some such voters had rather cut off their noses to spite their faces, I fear.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
Realfake,
Start with the papers, read the blogs on both sides until they find the truth. It takes alot of time and reading but you will see the obvious if you do.
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Good Afternoon all,
What we have seen in the McKinney-Johnson and the Lieberman-Lamont races may signify the Democratic Party finally forming as a coherent opposition party. Again, they are the OPPOSITION party, not the flunkies of the Republicans.
McKinney’s defeat shows that may many Democratic voters wanted more effective representation from somebody who can better articulate their concerns rather than resorting to outlandish behavior. Lieberman’s defeat reflects the frustration that many Democratic voters have with their representatives blindly following the Bush agenda. Yes, the war is one issue, but it is THE ISSUE that is of the uttmost importance.
Some people argue that Connecticut voters were out of touch with the mainstream in voting out Lieberman and label them as far-left, yadda, yadda, yadda. But everyone should remember that the centrist, and war hero, Sen. Max Cleland here in Georgia was railroaded out of office by a growing conservative Republican electorate.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
Leave it to you liberals to coin a phrase from some meaningless comedian from cable tv. I think what he calls truthiness some of us call convictions. I suppose some people need to have thier convictions given to them on a sheet of paper.
And to you getaclue, I read every single day. I simply chose to overlook the slanted and out-right lying NYT, Wash Post, AJC, Moveon.org, and many others. Now go cut and paste some blurbs by ex-GOPers like Clark. You made yourself look like a fool with that quote.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
What do you read realfake?
By Realist
August 9, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Hey welcome Liberal!!
I agree with you completely Liberal. I do believe that is how the dems and thier supporters see it. Stand strong! We are the opposed!! The problem is your opposition party is forming WAY out on the fringes and that should scare you, unless you have no desire of actually winning elections.
By Barbara
August 9, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
Realist, there I was, trying to catch up on a few hours of reading when your “bang” post popped up. Now that was the funniest thing I’ve read today.
Jim Wooten, I’m going to take real issue with you here. The most hateful blogger ever to disgrace your column is rednecks, yet you soothe him with comments like And yes you do keep it lively and, when you turn serious, your words carry weight. Pu-leeeeze! Get some stones man. That is just BULLSQUEEZE. Sorry, I like you a lot, but you are just wrong.
I suppose it’s your column, so you can write what you want, but you should be trying to block rednecks. Perhaps you felt sorry for him after his little Norman Rockwell fantasy he spouted off earlier.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
One more time - another cyberspace toughguy calls me out.
How unbelievably moronic, except in Alabama. Even TFTT and Ugotta have more sense than that.
Yes, there are tens of millions of you out there - common low class violent trash - you devilish idjit bashtards, your names are indeed Legion. You’re like cockroaches.
You’re no friend of mine, you misogynist racist frat-rat loser.
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Wow. I was actually greeted with kind words from Realist! All sarcasm and cynicism aside, I hope the wife and kids are well.
In regards to your views on the Democratic party, they are not the OPPOSED because they don’t control Congress or the Presidency. Hence, they are the opposition.
And yes, they need to stay strong, just as Newt was able to rally the troops in 1994. A coherent message can go a long way. Instead of racking their heads about why Democrats can’t be more like Republicans in terms of politics, the Republicans would do better in formulating a strategy to retain their seats in Congress.
By Van
August 9, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
While the left lies and claims we sacked Max Cleland by attacking his pariotism, the truth be told, he was too far left for most of Georgia. Max Cleland was not anywhere near a centralist. He was just too liberal for our tastes.
By Nick
August 9, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
Leave it to you liberals to coin a phrase from some meaningless comedian from cable tv. I think what he calls truthiness some of us call convictions. I suppose some people need to have thier convictions given to them on a sheet of paper.
Fair enough, but then where do your convictions come from? You don’t come out of the womb with said convictions. You must get them somewhere. And if you aren’t too keen on facts, well, then …
By getalife
August 9, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Interesting, I found this at one of Jim’s favorite blogs
Gee, this looks familiar.
Its funny, you will not see right wing blogs talking about the war in Iraq. Why is that ? Could it be the obvious I was speaking of?
BTW, real fake is not doing well as a blog baiter.
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
I’m not too sure about that Van. Yes, he was a Democrat and he supported a lot of his party’s policies. But he was definitely from the moderate wing of the Democratic Pary.
You may be right in that Cleland was just a little too liberal for a lot of Georgia voters. However, in the same regards, Joe Lieberman was a little too conservative for Connecticut voters.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
Dear Nick @ 3:31, I suggest Kant.
By jbmlaw
August 9, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
Dear Nick again, I apologize for brevity. You think from a Utilitarian or Moral Relativist perspective, but Kant is the ethics godfather for conservatives.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
No, not Kant. Dumbed down Nietzche, Mein Kampf, Stormfront and Klan coloring books.
By Blog Dawg
August 9, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ!
By Realist
August 9, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
@liberal Yeah, Im actually pretty nice when Im not being baited by the race crowd, and I finally learned to simply avoid the trolls like rednecks.
To your post, I just dont see the coherent message man. The message is as extremist and far left fringe as some of the far right redneck comedy I portray for the likes of rarringt and others in here.
As far as what I read. National Review, WSJ, Mobile Press Register and Bham News, Money, The Federalist, Conservative Chronicle, and others. Alot of sports stuff too. Big sports fan. And beleive it or not, i pick up the Old Testament from time to time, and I reckon I understand a good deal of it, uh huh.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Max was ousted because of who he was and where he stood on issues, not because of a presidnetial witchhunt and a major party shift.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Well no wonder: As far as what I read. National Review, WSJ, Mobile Press Register and Bham News, Money, The Federalist, Conservative Chronicle
Those are rightwingnut moonbat opinion rags. Where do you read the other’s side opinions and the actual news?
By Van
August 9, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
Compared to you, he might have seen a bit more conservative. Compared to me, even Rush is to the left, Bush is a moderate and Shillery is plain far left trying to look as moderate as Joe Lieberman. How else do you describe a person wanting to nationalize the HealthCare industry, yet “supports” a war on terror?
By Realist
August 9, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
@getaclue
FOX NEWS LOL!
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
I don’t know about that. The year 2002 was a year of major political realignment in that Georgia elected its first Republican governor since Reconstruction. Also, both houses of the Georgia Legsilature were taken over by Republicans, including the defeat of the long-time Speaker.
In regards to Bush’s influence and efforts, maybe it wasn’t a presidential witchunt per se, but Bush wanted to get a Republican in that seat and thus campaigned rigorously for Saxby Chambliss, whose campaign said some pretty nasty exaggerations, if not falsehoods, about Max Cleland.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
real duh,
I should have guessed. You listen to Rush don’t you?
By Van
August 9, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
Blog Dawg,
The mission of any military organization is to kill the bad guys and break things.
If at this late date, you have to ask, I would suggest you get in your wayback machine and go back to the begining of this conflict. UN Resolution 1441, would be a good start. From there you will see a 14 month “Rush to War” the lefties cry about.
Trying to bring you up to date with the whole mess via the blog would be counter productive.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
Saxby is a waste of space and a W bobblehead. He should go. Give me Max back.
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
Van,
LOL! I admire you telling the truth about your views. But are you sure that you’re even further right than Limbaugh? That’s almost impossible.
Hillary is a moderate. Yes, she did try to nationalize health care, but is that really such a radical policy, especially after Bush’s expansion of Medicare/Medicaid? Hillary is a staunch moderate and a lot of times she does shamelessly play the field according to the direction that the wind is blowing on a given day. Not only do I believe that, but so do other progressives. She’s hardly the far-left monster that many conservatives portray her to be.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
A 14 month rush to war and 5 years next month to catch bin Laden. Man, Dumbya is sloooooooooooow.
Thank Gawd he accomplished his mission of ending the war in Iraq so quickly, or you’d think the guy may have a problem.
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
I should also mention that it will be very difficult, if not unlikely, that Hillary would get the Democrat nod in 2008. A lot of Democrats are skeptical about her voting record in Congress and also don’t want to risk fielding a candidate who, for some crazy reason, has become a very polarizing figure in US politics.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
to Liberal (@ seems so offensive I realize)
I recall the election and it did get dirty. Though Im not sure how untrue any of it actually was. I think questioning Max’s patriotism considering his physical coniditon and its cause was pretty insane. The bottom line was that Max went against the Presidents version of the Homeland Security package and sided with some union lobbyists (like a true demoncrat) and he was defeated, no matter how unfairly, by it.
By Curious Observer
August 9, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
So it’s moderates we want elected? Moderates like Saxby Chambliss, who never met a toxic poison he didn’t love, and moderates like ol’ Johnny I.?
It strikes me that Connecticut has the right to elect the people it wants to represent it, regardless of whether Wooten, tftt, and others like those people. If the Democrats had wanted somebody to cozy up to Bush, they would have renominated Joe. But why bother, when the Republican nominee would have done just as well? The issue goes a lot farther than the war in Iraq; it concerns not only foreign policy—currently a disaster zone—but also a plethora of domestic issues.
Wooten, tftt, Realist, and others may decry the Democratic party, but somebody is going to have to bring fiscal, domestic, and foreign policy sanity to this country. And it’s for certain it won’t be the Republicans. If Clinton’s administration had burdened the country with this kind of deficit spending and national debt, most of you would have been screaming bloody murder.
Expect to take your turn in the barrel soon, folks, for you’ve been screwing over moderates and liberals far too long. Your time is about up.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
And lets not kid ourselves Liberal, American men in power (and voters) are not truly ready for a female or minority president. As wrong as it may be, its true.
By Realist
August 9, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
I must bid all farewell. I have contractors coming to the house to do some work and those immigrants must be watched er they mite steel somethin !!
LOL
Talk to yall later
By Liberal
August 9, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
If this were 20 years ago, I would have agreed with you. But now, I’m not so sure. Don’t forget that before Bush decided to run in 2000, a lot of Republicans were beginning to rally behind Elizabeth Dole. Also, there is a continual vocal base of support for Condi to run in 2008.
By Van
August 9, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this
Realist,
Actually, Max wanted union representation for all of the Federal screeners in Home Land Security.
It didn’t sit well with some of us.
By Dusty
August 9, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this
OK, Jim,
I just read back and you said that RedNecks added weight to the discussion. Yes indeed. Just like tying a concrete block to a swimmer to help out.
I deplore fake southerners with an “attitude”. I dislike Cindy Sheehan talk-alikes.
I am also unhappy over the Braves this afternoon. Braves-3 Philadephia -9-. The Braves will recover. RedNeck will not. His affliction seems permanent. Go Braves!!!
By Susan
August 9, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Oh, and Van dear, if the military’s mission is to “kill the bad guys and break things”, I sure hope the boys in uniform have a Plan B.
Because, see, lots of bad guy killin’ and breakin’ stuff ain’t amounting to any kind of victory, see, and folks here oughta get what they paid for, shore ‘nuff.
Okay, I am not good at pretending to be southern, so I’ll quit.
But seriously, Van, your description of the mission is not working for the Yisraelis in Lebanon, nor US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Face it, guerilla fighters win in the end. At what point in time will their opponents realize that billions of dollars and lots of shiny toys do not a victory make?
Let me repeat: the mujaheddin won vs Russia in Afghanistan. The Viet Cong wore us out and after years in Vietnam, they got things their way.
“What’s so funny about peace, love and understanding?”
Frankly, I am enjoying Hezbollah’s ongoing efforts vs. Israel. It’s a joy to watch.
Oh, and check out the story of the soldier in the Navy who sold secrets to Russia. With folks like that ‘defending’ me, what, should I worry?
Or should I worry about soldiers who consider a good day one in which they play golf, drink for awhile, then go off on a rape n murder binge to really do it up right?
Or soldiers who post songs like “Hadji Girl” on the Internet and then ‘innocently’ proclaim their right to free speech?
Or the folks who are ‘managing’ Guantanomo? The folks who photographed their exploits at Abu Ghraib?
I could go on and on. The US Army is apparently full of some of the lowest forms of humanity, and the upper levels, replete with Vietnam-era burnouts, are doing little to improve matters.
Oh, and Realist, where is it in the OT that says it’s okay to “bang” as you say?
Markus must have gotten a hold of his great equalizer and some ammo and is off for the rest of the day. I hope he chose the shootin’ range over the streets.
He really loves violence and apparently is deeply fascinated by crimes of a sexual nature. Hmmm
If Markus and Realist and Ugotta for that matter, are representative of conservatives, you guys need not worry about your enemies.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Van is on to something - Van seems to be a bit of a cultural conservative, and Rush is oftimes at odd with those folk. For instance, Rush, we’ve seen, is very “liberal” on drug abuse and believes in drug abuse treatment instead of jail for habitual abusers, at least in his own case. Rush does not like welfare for the poor, but he often advocates government spending and giveaways that benefit rich folks.
Rush has many gay friends and acquaintances - Matt Drudge, the Cheney family, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Jeff Gannon/Guckert, etc. among many…
And, let’s not forget Rush’s family values - he’s blown out three marriages and is unwilling or unable to father children. And, he has a personal position on pedophilia very similar to NAMBLA’s, which is often mistaken as a liberal organization, despite it’s mostly white middle-aged male membership (Markus, can you verify please?)- Rush often has sex with youngsters in the Caribbean - why on his last trip he needed to sneak Viagra down there just to keep up with the little rascals.
By Van
August 9, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Liberal,
I was just using examples of what kind of people nationalize industries. They fall mainly into the socialist catagory. Progressive to the lefties and those in mid-town.
By Van
August 9, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
Susan,
Personally, I have trouble with people that behead someone for not being a muslim. Negotiation with folks like that is pointless and a waste of time.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
It’s kind of sad that people who don’t even have passports or ever go to the airport think that unionizing the TSA employees was a bad idea. As you all know, I spent some time last month in Heathrow, Gatwick, Amsterdam and Bucharest airports - at all 4 places, security was performed by adult professionals, lines moved smoothly, none of the shenanigans and waste of time that we are used to at Hartsfield Jackson and most other American airports.
By Tim
August 9, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
Only the doctrinaires and Nixon worshippers can still not notice that McGovern was right about the Viet Nam war. Jim’s column seems to say you shouldn’t make such a fuss about the right thing if it diminishes your chance to win an election. Just the sort of bent logic disguised as pragmatism that will allow another 2500 military personnel to be sacrificed before we leave the quagmire of Bush. (Before some drooling apologist for the right bases his convoluted thinnking on party affiliation, I know that Johnson expanded the war…Nixon promised us a “quick and honorable peace” and the raging hawks elected him on it TWICE!
By Susan
August 9, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
Van,
Just as I thought. There’s no Plan B.
So exactly how has killin’ and breakin’ stuff succeeded in lieu of negotiations, my wittle diplomat?
Tell me oh wise Pocky One!
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
Susan,
If the lefties would not scream and cry about collateral damage, we may be able to defeat our enemies. Do you think Israel should just continue to allow their citizens to have missiles rained down on them? Or have have their heads blown off while they are enjoying a cup of coffee with their friends? The army is representative of society in this country, so yes there are some bad apples within. Ungrateful people like yourself should just all pack up and head to France. You will have plenty of opportunity to show your love for Hezbollah.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Well, gee Van, perhaps the Muslims have a problem when Christians do all that “collateral damage” (you know, killing and bombing their homes) on them for being Muslim? What goes around, comes around, don’t ya think?
By Van
August 9, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
redneck Madness,
Actually, being an old fashion federalists, any form of government welfare does not sit well.
As for Rush, he is allowed to live his live as long as it is within the laws of whatever country he is in.
Susan, you stated “Face it, guerilla fighters win in the end.” Not exactly true, look to the interventions into central America during the early part of the 20th century, there we fought guerillas and soundly kicked the butts.
To clarify my statement, the US military will shoot anyone shooting at them. Destroying anything the terrorist can use as cover or weapons leaves him with less aid.
Allowing the Iraq government to mature enough to take over their own defensive and offensive actions against the terrorists is a noble cause.
What would you do, leave the Iraqis to the mercy of killers?
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
Tim, good comment. They accuse Murtha of “cut and run” - the GOP strategy seems to be “stay and murder some more innocent folks and try not to get killed”. We ain’t gonna win the War in Iraq, short of “nucular”.
By MrLiberty
August 9, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this
The sad truth is that there will still only be republicans and democrats to vote for in November.
The ever-growing antiwar constituency (and frankly how could any civilized person call themselves pro war?) needs to wake up and realize that the democratic and republican parties are the WAR Party that everyone is referring to. They both have as little regard for the sanctity of life or the preservation of freedom and liberty as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, or any other despotic regime. So long as we can all be swayed by the political argument “well, at least I’m not one of them”, these two parties will never change, will continue to be elected, and there will be no hope for this country.
When the democratic leadership works in favor of war mongers like Lieberman and Hillary, and virtually the entire republican party is enthralled by the taste of blood on their lips that they continue to blindly support a war criminal like Bush, then there is little hope that the political process will enable us to set the course of this country in the right direction. Hopefully the rest of the world will have the patience with us while the rest of us work to awaken the sleeping fools. We certainly didn’t give the German people much time before they were forced to endure the consequences of their “democratic” choice in the late 30’s.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
Stew, oy vey. The Yisraelis are not winning. No matter how much infrastructure they bomb, or civilians they take out, nor having an unlimited US supplied arsenal, they’re not having any luck taking out Hezbollah.
If you think that the US’s failure to combat terrorism is because we liberals are ‘screaming’, you grossly overestimate our influence.
If I could scream at the top of my lungs and get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, I would have lost my voice years ago.
That is the most ridiculous excuse for the current administration’s failure yet.
Stewie, you need to try harder. Viagra?
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
We are sure lucky as a country that McGovern didn’t get elected, or we would have never won that Vietnam War.
By Dusty
August 9, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Susan,
If you are an example of ANY Kind of American, we are in big trouble. You applaud the enemy. You despise our allies. You site anything Americans have done wrong, even when they are in prison for breaking our laws. If anybody says something you don’t like, then you suggest that they are “sexual”. You dislike the military. In fact, you want America to lose in every conflict so you can be happy. You seem to desire attention, no matter what. Be “cute” at all costs.
Let your dreams come true. Run off to Cuba with RedNecks. Your propaganda will be appreciated there.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
We are sure lucky McGovern didn’t get elected, or Vietnam would still be a communist country.
By Van
August 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
redneck Madness,
Your right we started it - what a maroon.
Daniel Pearl, a wicked journalist, was killed because of all his collateral damage.
Nick Berg, a US civilian contractor. Also beheaded, for what?
From the BBC - 10/29/05
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they walked to a Christian school in Indonesia.
It is unclear what was behind the attack, but the girls attended a private Christian school and one of the heads was left outside a church leading to speculation that it might have had a religious motive.
Paul Johnson, a 49-year-old Lockheed Martin Corp. employee, was kidnapped in Riyadh last Saturday.
His body was found Friday in northern Riyadh soon after an Islamist Web site posted photographs of his decapitated body.
Yes, you’re right, we have no reason not to negotiate with the scumbags.
When they capture our service men, contrary to the beloved Geneva Convention, they behead them.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
Susie,
Just because your lover needs Viagara to overcome your shortcomings, don’t presume others need it. The current administration is currently combatting terrorism just fine. But I thought you liberals don’t consider the fight in Iraq as part of the War on Terror. Believe me! If the military was given the opportunity to completely destroy the enemy without the likes of Murtha, New York Times, etc. It could be done.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
If McGovern had been elected we’d have never defeated that evil Ho Chi Minh - heck, they could have overrun South Vietnam and renamed Saigon Ho Chi Minh City!
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this
Gosh, McGovern would have made a horrible president - he might have ended up drunk in the White House, having to resign!
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
Van,
The simple “Why” answer for the deaths of the folks you list?
REVENGE - the same thing you bloodthirsty rednecks can’t ever get enough of.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 9, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
Conservatives, please explain: Why didn’t we go to Iraq invoking the Powell Doctorine, and simply OVERWHELM them? Seems we could have (with overwhelming numbers) provided real security. With real security, we could have gone town to town, investing in the infrastructure, that would give the Iraqi’s a real sense of appreciation. Nothing like a secure home, ESPN and MTV to keep you sedated and happy (“Sorry, can’t blow my self up today; the soccer match is on”:) Seems a classic case of what the Fram oil filter pitchman used to say: “Pay me now, or pay me later.”
Seems like would have been “common sense thinking”. Feel free to correct my misconceptions…
By Van
August 9, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this
Isn’t it interesting, that the lefties are calling themselves “anti-war”, when normal mainstream folks are pro-military.
Back in the late 60’s the lefties were so anti-US, anti-war and anti american, they forced us out of VietNam. To top it all, they were near suing for terms. They held on based on the anti-war movement.
By Van
August 9, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
redneck Madness,
Where is their proportaional response.
By Susan
August 9, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this
Stewie,
If the terrorism combatting is going just fine, then why are we still combatting it?
@ Dusty:
“If anybody says something you don’t like, then you suggest that they are “sexual””
This one is too good to pass up. Using the handy cut and paste tool, please cite (and by the way, it’s not ‘site’, it’s cite) all the anybodies whom I have suggested are sexual.
We’ve got plenty of violence prone rednecks on this blog, but I would like to think that those of us who are not, are happily engaged, as we should be, in lots of healthy sexual behavior.
As far as getting attention is concerned, you do quite well in that department. Could it be that you are jealous? Do you want lessons in how to be cute?
Geez, don’t you think if I went anywhere it would be France, not Cuba? I want gourmet cuisine and luxurious digs and loads of museums and a population known for being educated!
France is where liberals go to take a break from those who clog our gutters and downspouts, the conservatives.
Alack, Dusty, there are things more pleasant in the offing. Enjoy your multi-hour commute to Awfulretta, my little one.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this
HoldingAjc Accountable,
There is a fine line between an occupation and liberation force. I for one believe that Powell was correct. However, I believe our military leaders including the Joint Chief’s sided with Rumsfeld. Additionally, our military leaders did not expect the Iraqi military to disband so quickly. I think you will find that many conservatives agree with you in regards to how the war has been executed. However, the majority of the left continues to call the President a liar, blah, blah, blah and they pretend to say that the Iraq was not linked on the War on Terror. That is obviously incorrect.
By Van
August 9, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
To the left -
If the terrorists kill civilians, it is revenge, if we fire back at terrorists and civilians are killed, you call it a crime, if the Israelis retailiate against aggression and kill civilians it is a great tragity.
I guess no rules for terrorists and all the rules for us. Reminds me of a Bill Cosby story.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
Earth to Van,
The NVA and the VC forced us out of Vietnam. They were willing to lose over 1M of their soldiers to make it happen. Any other belief you have is pure unadulterated fantasy - neither Johnson nor Nixon was willing to start WWIII by using nukes, which is absolutely the only way we “win” in Vietnam.
If “pro-military” means sending soldiers off to die on a fool’s errand (and spending taxpayer $$), then you are right, I am not pro-military.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
Susie,
Has the US been attacked since 911? Are you aware of the many terrorists plots that have been thrawrted throughougt the world? I am beginning to believe your just an antagonist or just very naive. Or maybe you are the enemy! Yea, you would fit well in France.
By Van
August 9, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
redneck Madness,
Wrongo -
After Nixon allowed the mining of Haiphong Harbor and the bombing of Hanoi, the tide turned and they cried all the way to the Paris Peace talks.
We could have leveled the north without using nukes.
By Ron
August 9, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this
Not all Americans are “crazy.” There are many who want us out of a war into which W jumped to find WMD’s, and there were none. Then, we had to “get” Saddam. We got him. Next, we were to smack the terrorists. Colin Powell said then that there were no links between Iraq and Al Quada. Still, over 2,500 fine Americans have died in this foolish war. Bring ‘em home, and get W out of the White House ASAP.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this
The VC slaughtered 3 million South Vietnamese and Cambodians once we moved out. Tragic!
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Like I said, pure unadulterated fantasy.
By holdingAJC"accountable"
August 9, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Stewart: Thanks for the insight. I’m not really a “hawk” but I do subscribe to the belief that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. Not a Bush fan (NCLB) but willing to put ego aside to see if we really could “export democracy”.
I just hate we played our cards so poorly. We had aces, and went in with deuces. We can’t fold (then all those soldiers died for truly nothing) but we don’t have the stomach to go “all in”.
We’ve pushed our soldiers to the breaking point, (do to lack of numbers and resources) and when they break, we lose the moral high ground (for all of our faults, we have been much more humane IMHO).
I don’t see a solution that doesn’t suck…and it didn’t have to be this way.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Ron,
You are absolutely wrong. Powell said that Saddham was not linked to 911. There were Al-Quaida training camps in Iraq prior to 911. He was also a supporter of Hamas and the PLO in their attacks against Israel. WMD’s or not, he had plans to produce them and after 911, we could not take the chance that he had them. Even the leaders in your precious DNC agreed. If the left would get past that point, then the nation could have a good honest debate about how to move forward.
By JK
August 9, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this
Van,
Do you feel all warm and tingly and happy inside when people die? Is all right with the world when, at the end of the day, you can think about bloody soldiers and bloody civilians and bomb-razed buildings and the unmistakable sound of shock- and grief-stricken human beings shrieking at the top of their lungs from their pain, agony, and the realizaton of their loss? Does this make you happy on this inside, or does it just give you a woody? (Maybe it’s the only thing that still does?) Do you thank God (aka General Patton) at the end of a day like this for your immeasurable joy?
Cause if that’s not who you are, you sure have ME fooled!
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this
By holdingAJC”accountable”
You make some very valid points. It was so much easier in the past to fight wars. The internet and TV has made it very difficult to win. Can you imagine WW2 would have been like today. Half the war is psycological. Our enemies today gain strength knowing that America is at war with itself and it believes that we do not have the stomach to endure.
By JK
August 9, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.” — someone I actually respect —
Any a—h—- can make war. It takes a REAL man to make peace.
By TiftDawg
August 9, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Stewart-
Don’t waste your effort countering the comments of Susie; her reference this morning to “the grieving mother” eliminated any claim she might have to rational thought.
The “grieving mother” had forfeited custody of her child years ago and had very little if any contact with him over the years. Ms. Sheehan is nothing but an opportunistic shill who is not immune from examination for what she really is. She has every right to protest the war but no right to drag her dead estranged son into the fray, as every source suggests that he believed in what he was doing in Iraq.
By Stewart
August 9, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
JK
That person also said “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends”
By Markus
August 9, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this
@Susan:
“Markus, my next assignment for you: go find a shooting range.”
Ok this is classic liberalism at it’s finest example. First you challenge me to why I’m “sticking up” for child molesters/rapists. Then I counter with HELL NO, I’d SHOOT them. Then I said limpnoodled liberals wouldn’t allow me to do that because the wacknut left doesn’t believe in private gun ownership. Then you construe and twist that like a wire coat hanger into a question if I would do that to the likes of you. ARE YOU CRAZY? Are you out of your liberal mind beyond normal out of mind liberalism?
Like I said Susan, you twisted the original post into what YOU wanted it to be, and challenged my comments with an “assignment.” I proved you were WRONG and you couldn’t handle it like a typical bedwetting liberal. Hey look, I didn’t ASK you to challenge me Susan. Never underestimate the resolve of a Conservative… you’ll be thoroughly disappointed.
By JK
August 9, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this
Stewart, that’s exactly why it’s such a crime to put those wonderful men and women in harm’s way without a good go—amn reason, a PLAN, or sufficient numbers. Because they do. Bless them, Oh Lord, for they are following orders and laying down their lives for… well, I’m sure Karl Rove wrote the answer to that down somewhere.
By getalife
August 9, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
Powell said you break it you own it. He was the only one questioning Cheney’s agenda. Murtha said this would happen 6 months ago.
By Blog Dawg
August 9, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this
What did Powell know and when did he know it? Was he lying to the UN and the world, or was he a simpleton/patsy for spun intel?
Hezbollah seems to be fighting from underground tunnel complexes like the Japs, the vietnamese, and the N. Koreans.
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this
Tift DAWGcrap LIES about a woman who gave her son to the war - she divorced Casey’s father AFTER Casey was killed
By redneck Madness
August 9, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this
Why do people like TiftDAWGCRAP feel that they have the right to spread LIES and trash about a dead soldier’s mother?????
Cindy Sheehan raised her son, and wants to know why George Bush sent him off to die. For this, animals like TiffDAWGCRAP trash her.
For the record, Cindy Sheehan was married to Casey’s father until after Casey was killed in Iraq. Often, this type of tragedy puts a strain on a marriage and people that have children die often divorce.
Perhaps TiftDAWGCRAP’s own crap mother was not around for him, and that is why he trashes Cindy Sheehan?